Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Tim Russert seemed to really despise the Clinton's and I always wondered why. If he had information about them that would have impacted the country, then as a professional journalist, he should have informed the public---if it was just a personal dislike, then as a professional journalist he should have hidden his feelings better.

Gallup Daily: Obama-McCain Race Returns To Statistical Tie With Obama Only 2 Points Ahead

"I have felt that both the Democratic party and the Republican party were on a mission.

Kill Hillary. Not literally but kill her chances of ever being president. Now that they have seemed to have done that I think both sides are standing back and saying..........Lord almighty.......We've been waiting for this day for 20 years and its finally here.

Now what?"

http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/ralph-nader/20418/gallup-daily-obama-mccain-race-returns-to-statistical-tie-with-obama-only-2-points-ahead/

Tim Russert Was No Walter Cronkite
I am not a contrarian by nature and feel bad when I hurt someone’s feelings, but I have held off writing about NBC News’s Tim Russert, who passed away on Friday of a heart attack at age 58, because of the strange double standard we have about speaking ill of the famous dead.

http://themoderatevoice.com/

I'm a journalist, though a small fish in a small pond. Russert certainly got under my skin sometimes, but perhaps that's a characteristic of a "real" journalist: getting the story out there, knowing some folks won't be happy with it. I probably disagreed with him as much as I agreed with him, but I always thought of him as the genuine article.

Walter Cronkite was no Walter Cronkite, either.

Tim Russert was No Walter Cronkite.

Agreed. So what? He never pretended to be anyone other than who he was. The two journalists had two very different jobs and styles and they were both great at what they did.

"You say I'm a bitch as if that were a bad thing..."
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"I've written before about the Obamacan demand that Democratic money be brought under the Chicago Combine's control, but subsuming the entire DNC to a single candidate's campaign is both horrifying and fascinating, kind of like watching decomposition. As there are more confirmed details, I'll be writing more, but one little gem stood out for me, which is the way the state operations, the ones that promote the downticket candidates, are being
rolled up into the Obama operation."
http://anglachelg.blogspot.com/2008/06/representation.html
Posted by: Viv Author Profile Page | June 16, 2008 1:48 AM

i always liked Tim Russert...my heart goes out to his family and friends...

Thanks for sharing that with us Craig. My heart goes out to his family and friends.

While American troops and Afghani and Iraqi citizens die daily, GWB is galavanting around Europe on a little holiday. On your dime, too. He should be ashamed and we should be outraged.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080616/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_europe

If you were asked to guess when the word e-mail was coined, chances are you'd say perhaps a couple of decades back. Would it surprise you to learn that the first use of the word is recorded from around the time of Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882)? Clearly, Emerson didn't use e-mail to send his manuscripts to his publisher. In fact, he couldn't even call his editor to ask when his next book was coming out -- there was no commercial telephone service then. In any case, if he missed e-mail, we can safely assume he didn't miss spam.

What was e-mail doing at the time when there were no computers, telephones or even promises of large sums of Nigerian loot? Well, the answer is that it was a different type of e-mail. That e-mail meant enamel, as in the glossy paint applied to metal, pottery, etc. In French, the word émailler still means "to enamel," not to send out a message using electronic mail. The word mail in electronic mail is of Germanic origin, meaning a bag.

anu garg on words:
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/Features/Columns/?article=AnuRecycle>1=27004

mornin'all.

sturg, as always,a quirkily informative post. :-)

btw, check you e-mail in a few minutes.

Tess, Russert may have bbeen no Cronkite, but Cronkite was no Russert. I doesn't surprise me that Craig and Tim were great colleagues - they have many things in common - e.g. honesty, transparency... What the hell else could you ask of a political reporter? My wife asked me whether I thought Chris Mathews would step into his spot. My response was "Maybe he'll get to be the moderator of MTP, but he will never be a Tim Russert."

Say goodbye to the Electoral College

Despite its name, participants at a panel of the American Constitution Society calling for the repeal of a chunk of the Constitution is about as surprising as panelists at a butchers' trade union being leery of vegetarian cooking. No surprise, then, to find panelists urging the abolition of the electoral college.

http://stubbornfacts.us/

I've never read Anglachel before, but that article points up something I have suspected for months now ... that the DNC as an organization had played favorites in the race.

If this move to bring the party under the control of the Chicago machine was actually decided months ago, then that is more important than one candidate. It is a threat to democracy itself and the well being of the country.

matthews will get mtp when hell becomes frozen over......

Sturgeone

"The word mail in electronic mail is of Germanic origin, meaning a bag."

So if an old bag writes an e-mail, does it have to be personally delivered?

Lizbeth
I believe it was you who questioned the SC ruling about Habeous Corpus. This story from the folks at McClatchy demonstrates why.

"America's prison for terrorists often held the wrong men"
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/detainees/story/38773.html

I can't think of anything we could have done to harm this country more than what the current administration did with Gitmo.

Jack

lol

whoops......lol for jamie, not for Jack.......

Who will replace Tim Russert?
"First, let me say that Tim will truly be missed.... Everyone in TV and radio and blog land has talked about what a great man he was, so I will concentrate on what's next."

".....forget Matthews, Olbermann or Scarborough. All three of them, great as they are on MSNBC and with as much as they bring to the network, are all known to have their biases. Matthews has a tendancy to run at the mouth (and spit a lot), Olbermann is too controversial despite knowing SO much about everyone and every topic and Scarborough is too conservative to remain unbiased."

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-35451

MTP should hire someone who is fairly young and has had about two years experience in journalism, and has been a community paper boy for three years.

it wont be matthews scarboy or olberdinck.......it will be some actual journalist.......

it wont be matthews scarboy or olberdinck.......it will be some actual journalist......

I hope.

Does anyone have a handy link to an article that details what Dem Party operations are supposed to move to Chicago?

sturg & chloe, I certainly hope you are right. Mathews would be a disaster. What do you think about Gregory? He's certainly got the research skills, but too immoderate, perhaps?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/12/AR2008061204066.html

move to Chicago

Pogo, that article said the following about Gregory:
"Gregory has years of experience going toe to toe with Presidents and their tough-as-nails press secretaries as Senior White House Correspondent. He also knows how to come at an issue from many differing angles, as demonstrated during Race to the White House every evening. "

I like him.

chloe, I vote with dog - the EC is an anachronism whose purposes have past. About the only colorably positive things that can be said for it are that most of the time it has selected the candidate who got the popular vote and it reflects our representative government. BFD

When I lived in CA, presidential winners were declared before our polls closed. (it happens)

sorry about the facts of the matter but if you vote for anyone other than a republican in the SC general election........YOU LOSE.

---warner wolf

Iraq starts to fix itself

"....it is now plain that over the past several months, while Americans have been distracted by their presidential primaries, many things in Iraq have at long last started to go right."
"Both candidates have to keep their options open. If America's next president gets Iraq wrong because he has boxed himself in during the campaign, all the recent gains may be squandered and Iraq will slide swiftly back into misery and despair. That would be to fail twice over."

http://www.economist.com/opinion/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=11535688

This may have already been posted. There was discussion over the weekend about the pros and cons of withdrawing from Iraq, so this is a discussion of it.

Your vote matters here in Ohio. but you never know if it is going to be counted correctly...... so does it count? sure, you just have to "hope" it counts as you intended.

"sorry about the facts of the matter" 9:14 AM

Those pesty facts.

sturg, maybe you should apply for membership on the NBC search committee.

UB, thanks for the link.

Im allergic to "memberships"....................

Has anbody been paying any attention to this story:

http://barackobamawasamuslim.blogspot.com/

Does anybody know anything about this Andy Martin?

He was suppose to have a news conference on Friday but I guess it got pushed back to today at 6 due to the death of Russert. He's holding it at 909 Third Avenue, public sidewalk in front of FDR Station, New York
Does anybody know why he would pick that place to have a news conference.

Chloe

Ages and ages ago (or so it seems) Biden was my favored candidate simply because he looked at the history of Iraq and said, "divide it up". This is what the people have done for themselves that now is actually bringing peace.

If the central government strengthens enough and the sectarian provinces maintain local government control, we might be able to get out of there in fairly short order.

How about our man Craig!

Craig.

Thank you for your reminiscence of Tim Russert. He seems to have been the quintessential Hail Fellow Well Met. I wish I'd had the chance to meet him myself, though it seems as if we all did through your story and many similar ones that are being shared.

yep.......i'd like to see brokaw there for a bit........nbc likes to keep it in the family, I suspect........

Luke on the Today show:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/25186769#25186769

I'll remember Tim like you Craig. Someone that I allow into my house bursting with kids who may not listen but hear what they want to. It is like having a trusted friend over for coffee informing me about what matters. Your words of respect matter. God Bless Tim. He would tell you to take care of yourself a little better.

Here's Krugman's take on the tax proposals of the candidates.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/16/opinion/16krugman.html?hp

jamie, is that wishful thinking or do you have much more faith in the Iraqi government than I do?

"I read that some people are going to sit this one out. And quite frankly I believe the vote which is always used as a tool for democracy should now be used as a strategic weapon. Not voting at all has no effect and makes a lame statement, it is a fart in a hale storm because it will not stop Obama. You really need to vote for McCain, to let the Democratic Party leaders know that they are answerable to 18 million voters. That they are not the boss of us, nor are they the puppets of the powerful. Yes, bite the bullet. Wonder why European governments are afraid of their voters? Because there they not only take to the streets they vote with their heads to force issues and parties. Here the voters are afraid of their government. This is a democracy?" June 15, 2008 2:27 PM http://anglachelg.blogspot.com

Today's Gallup daily does not look good. The trend is downward.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107854/Gallup-Daily-ObamaMcCain-Race-Reverts-Virtual-Tie.aspx

WTF??

I do not believe anything either candidates says about anything.....so sad .... it makes listening to them absolutely painful.
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One issue on the taxes, I do not understand how people can't connect these two: if businesses have to pay more tax they hire less. It's simple math.

good morning gang....

Craig.... thanks for the story about Russert.... sometimes we forget that tv personalities are simply human like the rest of us.....

as for his replacement.... I like the suggestion of using T. Brokaw for a few months as a transition.... my bet would be on D. Gregory.....
can't imagine NBC being stupid enough to give it to Matthews..... but you never know....

Have a great day everyone, off to deliver some equipment to our new office space.

peace~

Pogo

"is that wishful thinking or do you have much more faith in the Iraqi government than I do?"

It is not so much faith in the government except in the sense that Petraeus is making it possible for the old, natural divisions to happen with a minimum of violence.

The country was originally cobbled together by the British following WW I and it has been held together by dictators, spit, and baling wire ever since.

If some sort of central government that can split up the oil wealth and establish mutual interest decision making while leaving the provinces to their own devices (sort of a United States of Iraq), it finally may become stable. At that point it would only take a minimal to keep it from slipping into Civil War again.

Not easy, but not impossible either.

if businesses have to pay more tax they hire less. It's simple math. Posted by: unlikely_burrito | June 16, 2008 9:58 AM

Burrito,
Isn't that the Republican philosophy?

"You really need to vote for McCain, to let the Democratic Party leaders know that they are answerable to 18 million voters. "

Can't vote McCain. But will write in my candidate and have already let the DNC know the reasons: convoluted primary rules, disenfranchising millions of voters, standing silently while a Democratic candidate was systematically attacked with sexist slurs.

WTF?? Pogo 9:58 am
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for
"Monday shows Barack Obama attracting 45% of the vote while John McCain earns 40%. When “leaners” are included, Obama holds a four-point advantage, 48% to 44%. These figures show Obama’s lead to be a bit smaller than results from the past week" http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Pogo,
They were talking about that poll gap closing over the weekend. It's been gradually coming together.

Pogo

If Iwere the Dem Party officers, I would be very afraid of those other/neither numbers. You would have to look deeper in the polls to determine the weight of "likely voters", but those other/neither's are probably the loyalist Clinton vote. They don't like McCain and they don't like Obama. How they swing could very well decide the election.

Are you having problem understanding the current financial situation in the US?
Here is a link I think might help
http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/06/what-do-higher.html

Jack

jamie, the presence of 150,000 U.S. combat troops has to have a dampening effect on the violence there. You may be right about a central government and the oil revenue and a hands-off approach to the provinces leading to a relatively peaceful coexistence, but I don't know how we'd know whether it did without getting our troops out.

chloe, it's the republican mantra expressed by businesses (or vice versa) in the face of potential tax hikes, and there is probably a correlation between taxes and payrolls, but the bottom line is that businesses let go of people when their net profits drop - for whatever reason.

Jack, cute.
Simple, really.

I don't know how many were watching the tonys last night, but if a movie is ever made about the Bush presidency, Michael Chertoff has to be played by John Waters

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Michael_Chertoff,_official_DHS_photo_portrait,_2005.jpg/411px-Michael_Chertoff,_official_DHS_photo_portrait,_2005.jpg

Michael Chertoff

http://www.popculturebuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/johnwaters4601.jpg

John Waters

it's the republican mantra expressed by businesses (or vice versa) in the face of potential tax hikes, and there is probably a correlation between taxes and payrolls, but the bottom line is that businesses let go of people when their net profits drop - for whatever reason. Posted by: pogo e | June 16, 2008 10:25 AM

Thanks. Logical, and it makes more sense when you word it correctly.

Pogo

"but the bottom line is that businesses let go of people when their net profits drop - for whatever reason. "

Except that this is a sort of knee jerk, short term reaction that often works against the business in the long term.

The smart business figure out how to attract more customers to make up the difference and that often means hiring more people to provide better response and service to the client.

Unfortunately, for the US economy, corporations have been taking the lazy way out by going for cheaper and cheaper labor and less stringent restrictions with an ultimate reduction in quality and profits plus higher taxes and fees to compensate for the government having to care for those laid off.

Michael Chertoff has to be played by John Waters Jamie

Didn't watch, but your right. Perfect match.
Walters is a great actor too. Lots of character.

Unfortunately, for the US economy, corporations have been taking the lazy way out by going for cheaper and cheaper labor and less stringent restrictions with an ultimate reduction in quality and profits plus higher taxes and fees to compensate for the government having to care for those laid off.
Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | June 16, 2008 10:33 AM

Now that was a mouth full. You fit a lot of factual truth in that one sentence. Impressive.

This does not sit well with me if it is true We don't need the people just the checks:

Rendell, who plans to campaign on Obama’s behalf and raise money for him, said tonight’s event in Philadelphia is a joint fundraiser for Obama and the cash-strapped Democratic National Committee.

But in a sign of the urgency to raise campaign cash, Rendell said Obama didn’t want to reschedule tonight’s fundraiser, even though the governor warned him that many Philadelphia donors were headed to the New Jersey shore for the weekend. Rendell said Obama told him: “We don’t need the people. We just need the checks.”

Champ replied to a post I made yesterday:

Pro-Life is not Pro-Life if it punishes the poor who have children, single women, or families that have to work overtime just to keep a roof over their heads.

They are not pro-life -- not in the sense as we may see it.

Posted by: EuroTom | June 15, 2008 3:59 PM

Your argument here, Tom, is essentially: poor people should kill their babies because kids are just so damned expensive.

Posted by Champ | June 15, 2008 whenever

Absolutely NOT what I was saying. What I was saying is that if the "pro-life" movement is really about protection of babies, they would stop supporting cutbacks in welfare, nutrition programs and assistance for single parent families. On the one hand they want the mother to be Donna Reed; on the other hand they want the lazy "bitch" to get off her fat ass and find a job. By and large the pro-life movement loses interest once the baby is born and worse yet, fights programs to help the poor to raise their children with sufficient resources.

I watched the clips re: Meet the Press yesterday on the msnbc.com website. I found most of it very good, sad, uplifting and hurting. I was really moved when Tom Brokaw lost his composure and started to cry. It brought the emotion front and center. The folks at MSNBC were just in their reporting mode when they learned Tim was dead and I was happy to see a man could also cry. Too bad for Tim Russert, and even worse for the people who worked with him and loved him. And even worse yet for his father, wife and son.. I am sure yesterday being Father's day was hard for everyone.

Here's why Gordo's conspiracy theory about this mysterious "Michelle Whitey" tape were hilarious to me. It proved that he didn't know a damn thing about the black community. Here's an essay that talks about that.

http://www.theroot.com/id/46867

When I think about the broadcasters I miss listening to, Aaron Brown comes to mind. He was my kind of boring.

Craig, thanks for your anecdote. That's what I've heard on all the tributes--a series of personal tributes recalling moments that were special to the commentators. Much more special than some corporate extravaganza.

I think the perfect replacement for Russert is right here under our collective blogging nose....Craig Crawford.

BW, But only if he wants, really wants, to.

Flatus...I remember when Aaron Brown was "fired" to make room for Anderson Cooper. It was at the same time Bush had made his "heck of a job, Brownie" statement to the arabian horse lawyer who also happened to be the scapegoat for Homeland Security's mis-handling of Hurricane Katrina. There was a great cartoon of Aaron sitting at the news desk and someone stating "heck of a job, Brownie" and the next frame was of Aaron saying "I guess I better pack-up my stuff." I always wondered where he ended-up because like John King, he is my kind of boring, also.

a crock? the only crock here is the one that is full of crap that you spew here every single day

But in a sign of the urgency to raise campaign cash, Rendell said Obama didn't want to reschedule tonight's fundraiser, even though the governor warned him that many Philadelphia donors were headed to the New Jersey shore for the weekend. Rendell said Obama told him: "We don't need the people. We just need the checks."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-06-12-fundraisers_N.htm

The internals of the gallup poll should be very concerning to the Obamabots. People are pulling away.

Mr. Democrat

Thanks for that link. It was a good read, and totally explains why I found the "whitey" tape a crock .

I've heard "the man" and do remember the "ofay" use for a while. "Mr. Charlie" I only heard in the movie "In the Heat of the Night".

from the internals of the Gallup Poll

Although the margin between Obama and McCain is now similar to what it was in the last few weeks of the Democratic primary race, the structure of the race looks slightly different than at any other time this year as a result of the relatively high percentage of voters -- 15% -- not favoring either major-party candidate. This includes 7% of voters who say they are undecided and 8% who say they will not vote for either candidate (including 1% who volunteer they will vote for another specific candidate).

....As a result, the percentages of Americans now supporting Obama and McCain are near the lowest seen for either candidate since Gallup Poll Daily tracking on the Obama-McCain matchup started in early March, and well below the high of 48% achieved by each at them at various times.

The more people know him the less they like him

I wonder what Dennis Kuchinich or Valerie Plame have to say about Russert's abilities as a journalist.

In small private businesses, profit is the goal. The increase of business taxes is what drives companies to areas with less tax burden, therefore the high-tax areas that most need the employment lose.

Also with every employee hired, tax liabilities go up, as with every employee fired. If one fired employee chooses unemployment. The increase unemployment tax for one unemployment claim is an increase 3.4% for a fiscal year. More claims and the rate goes up. So basically , you fire someone for failing at their position, and guess what?....you have to pay for that firing in increase tax liability for the next 12 months.

You can tax small companies to death, and then there is nothing left. It helps no one. On the other hand if the tax dollars went to good use, maybe it could be a positive.

I guess if you have you own business you would better understand th relationship between taxes,profitability and employment growth.

jamie - I didn't say it was good business practice, but it is what is happening. And UB makes good points about small businesses and taxes, although taxes don't necessarily force small businesses into death throes or relocation (although Gibson did relocate from MI to TN, for a number of reasaons, taxes may have been one).

In the guitar industry (electric) as an example, the big US players - Fender and Gibson reacted to loss of market share to imports beginning in the 60s and 70s by buying up struggling US and foreign manufacturers (e.g. Gretsch, Jackson, Charvel by Fender, Epiphone, Kramer, Steinberger, Tobias by Gibson), some of which were established and well respected instrument makers - mainly to get the people who worked for them - and by having off price instruments manufactured in Japan, Indonesia, India, South Korea and Mexico (and now China), often under their price point brand names like Squier and Epiphone. This resulted in fairly substantial cutbacks among US workers in the industry and fewer competitors, but established Gibson and Fender as the two (along with Rickenbacker, which has kept its production facilities in the US) viable US electric guitar manufacturers. Revenue drove those decisions for the most part. The US instruments are still the flagships of the two and fetch the highest prices - generally 3-4 times as much as the equivalent import models - but the quality of the imports are getting much closer to the ones made in the US.

Anonymous

Thanks for the Gallup poll info...as a Clinton democrat, not a Kennedy democrat, I am already bored by the choice for November. No matter what, Hillary sure added excitement and discussion to the primary process...enough to capture the attention of half of the dem party. Too bad this year was the struggle between the Clintons and Kennedys...otherwise, we may have some very different polling numbers.

Blondie, from your mouth (well fingers) to NBC's ears (well, eyes). Craig would be an excellent choice.

Well, yesterday's barbecue went really well. Everyone had seconds and thirds, all the while praising the product fifteen hours in the smoker produced.

It really was good. But not something I want to do every week.

This morning I was reading the Journal and on page B6 found the following article:

Bacteria in Pork Showing Resistance to Antibiotics
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121358390555876401.html?mod=todays_us_marketplace

My curiosity turned to dismay then outrage as I red the article. What the devil are we being fed???

If I had read the report before the event, I would have probably tossed the pig and fed everybody my personal favorite, nice big bowls of raisin bran.

Jamie,

My grandfather used to use the term ofay and I always thought that was funny as a kid. But in general, black people call white people, white people. LOL Or white folks. All that "Honky" and "Whitey" or in the case of the police "Pigs", is the imagination of white people using outdated terms in order to interpret what black people think of them. It's almost a form of minstrelsy, if you think about it.

Pogo...when I use my fingers to communicate with MSNBC, it takes a different form than typing.

hey stupid
there is a big difference between what people think others are going to do and what they are going to do themselves

Blondie - I understand - plus it only takes one finger.

Just read a news piece on a horrible beating of a toddler :-( ....

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/16/toddler.killed.ap/index.html

There needs to be FAMILY education in all student curriculums!

The thing about this situation is that the police have no clue what relationship the toddler may have had with the 27 year old culprit.

Speaking of a bump...it was more like a little pimple for Obama.

Hillary sure added excitement and discussion to the primary process... Blonde wino

It was fun while it lasted. Now, who cares.
Hillary is supposed to be vacationing, a month of rest and relaxation. I think the Hampton's. Anyone know?

If I were Hillary, I would stay on vacation until September. Who cares, right?

Who cares about the election, that is.
Without Hillary in it, it doesn't much matter anymore.
.
I agree, She deserves the rest.

The thrill is gone for this election season.

"I guess the graph was too complicated for you to understand Jack"

at least I can spot the obvious and am not reliant on the headline as my information, as some are.

All polls point to the fact that your man is tied. he gains a little on good news such as securing the nomination then he will lose it all when he sticks his foot in his mouth. It is the way he did it against HRC and it is the way he continues against McCain, I noticed you haven't been quoting the daily gallup today. It must not be good news.

Jack

For Hillary

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vI_XMn-tRc

Flatus...
Aaron Brown was one of my favorites too.... he was a gentleman and a serious journalist, IMO..... although I have nothing against Anderson Cooper.... I find him to be a poor substitute for Brown.....

Blonde wino.... I'm completely bored with this election also..... I find myself not giving a crap which one of them wins..... that may change.... but it's where I'm at for the moment.....

jack.... really funny cartoon!.... and oh so true..... no issue is "simple", IMO....

Can;t carry Ohio or Florida but imagining he can carry Georgia lolololol.

He can imagine he can carry any state but the facts and polls do not show Obama is anywhere near carrying Georgia...even with Bob Barr on the ballot.

It's all about hope but no facts to support any of the hope. What a pile of dodo coming from the Obambots

Honda has now released a fuel cell car with zero emissions.

FCX Clarity

http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/

Georgia

Rasmussen 05/06 - 05/06 500 LV 53 39 McCain +14.0

and what western states--McCain is creaming Obama in Nevada

Huffington Post there's a credible source
what a frickin loser

Can't find a credible source to back up your hopeful bullcrap

As we have all seen over the past two decade, the Republican Party has failed us in its major responsibility to put forth conservative candidates for the presidency. We can get into the specifics of why that has happened and perhaps come up with a viable plan of reform. But the bottom line is irrelevant if John McCain wins the upcoming election. You simply don't reform a winning political party.

So the real choice before politically experienced conservatives in this election is to further support the liberalization of the Republican Party by supporting the candidacy of John McCain, or not, and focus your electoral efforts in supporting your Congressional, state and local conservatives candidates.

In this election, given these choices, not voting for McCain will be a vote for change in the Republican Party, back to its conservative base. Voting for John McCain will only serve to prolong the inevitable change the party must undergo when the general public realizes its made a mistake and starts looking around for the right answers.

So as a Republican its your responsibility to vote divided. The Democrat in for president and Republican for Congressional Seats. It just makes more sense

"It's almost a form of minstrelsy, if you think about it. "

While growing up and finally into adulthood, the words I used when referring to black people in a group were negro, then colored, then black. Have to admit I still find AA a bit clumsy, As individuals, I still prefer to call them by their names. : )

All things considered, I find the whole color idea a little odd unless you are talking about specific cultural groups for some sociological purpose.

"Honda has now released a fuel cell car with zero emissions."

Thanks for posting that, Jamie. Truly fascinating potential for the car and the household hydrogen producing/electricity making 'appliance'.

Better to have COD then Obama makes you stupid syndrome

Where are you saffrom colored robes. Sounds like you should be out begging for money. Looks like Obama could use some.

fan

She is taking a month's vacation on Martha's Vinyard. It is the regular vacation spot, but this one is a bit extended.

Anonymous....daily diet of an Obama supporter includes a bowl of stupid, twice a day.

Annonymous

Obama is looking to pick up Colorado and New Mexico. He has a good chance at both. But may run into problems with the hispanic vote which is a needed part of the Democratic base in both states.

Jack

Thank god he is dead, who cares we got dead soldiers oh there not tim

Patti Solis Doyle will be chief of staff to the VP nominee for Obama?

Talk about anouncements that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmm

Meg Whitman president of EBay is another McCain supporter. Is she an idiot too?

For election results, I think I will consult the Ouija board...all of the pretend clairvoyance on the part of supporters, is just that -- pretend.

The 'gift of life' from 'the glue that holds us all together' is that we all have a mind no one else can read!

Meg Whitman president of EBay is another McCain supporter. Is she an idiot too?

Posted by: anonymous | June 16, 2008 1:17 PM

Computer say "YES"....

EuroTom

My Ouija Board was just spelling out the letters...
"D-O-Y-L-E" when I asked about who could help Obama with his VP search!

Amazing.

More Appealing to this Republican is the rebuilding of the Republican Party,.

John McCain is an extention of the Extreme Right Wing. An embarrasement to all true Republicans.

John McCain and his Right Wing Prostetutes to Bush has to go. The United States restored.

Obama for President. Republicans for Congress

John Harwood's new book discusses this very issue of split party in the executive branch and legislative branch. Harwood may also be the choice to replace Russert (not my choice, but a logical progression for the folks at General Electric).

Some interesting suggestions to host MTP...Aaron Brown is tops...a Pacific Northwest product (of course!). Another I'd like to see considered is Bill Moyers...probably too unabashedly left, but a good and honest man who could frame the show well. Tim Russert certainly began in politics on the left...not sure he ended up on the left, but he started there.... I think it's harder to remain on the left as you amass more wealth.

"The stock tanked"

Can't argue with that and I thought Compaq was a lousy fit. I just think she was destined to failure from the start. Bet she's a lot more careful in choosing her friends after that experience.

Another interesting suggestion for MTP host I've heard is Jeff Greenfield....

I have heard from a few people that they do not think that Obama will win, just because he is black. I am always shocked when I hear this, but I have heard it from about 4 different people. They kind of say it under their breath....as if they are ashamed of what they are saying....but I think they believe it.

I wonder how pervasive that belief is ?

I see people complaining that Russert was biased against Hillary Clinton. I don't know why but I'm wondering if his long history in New York politics and his work for Daniel Patrick Moynihan had something to do with it.

Of course asking someone a question and expecting something other than a canned response is clearly bias. So isn't looking at a set of facts and making proper interpretations.

If people want a justifiable reason to be outraged, please go here and make a donation.

http://www.justiceforgage.com/Home_Page.html

I personally think the scum sucking neighbor needs to be waterboarded with stale urine...but that may be too easy...

Bear...Russert was a Kennedy democrat.

Flatus, au contraire. Whitman has been with E-bay since its IPO. Over the past 2 years - when its stock price fell from $60 to $30, the company's value has doubled, and its invested capital has increased by $1B, its retained earnings have nearly doubled as it has bought back 150 million shares of outstanding stock. Whitman may be a republican, but an idiot, she is not. I wish she didn't support McCain.

http://marketwatch.nytimes.com/custom/nyt-com/html-financials.asp?symb=EBAY&sid=117345&report=2&period=annual

Bear,

If you want to compare them, here are the transcripts for both the Obama and Clinton interviews with Tim Russert. You don't get the full flavor of the body language, but the questioning of Obama tended to be all smiles and soft ball questions answered with generalities while the questioning of Clinton was filled with frowns, repetitive stressed questions requiring specifics ... just not as friendly. Much the same attitude happened during the debate he moderated ... Leading questions almost containing answers for Obama and attack questions for Clinton.

Obama
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21738432/

Clinton
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20941413/

Pogo, I was talking about Carly

" they are tired of the personal attacks."

Many directed at Hillary and her supporters, thank you very much.

flatus, gotcha - it looked like the discussion hasd shifted. my bad.

flatus - had

Pogo, you're just out of sorts because you didn't get a three day weekend along with the ACLU crowd.

Dog...my grandmother used to say...

to argue with a fool, makes two.

Blonde Wino: Good one!!! lol ..

flatus, maybe you're right - plus we just had one huge MOFO thunderstom blow through - the hillside I look at through my office window (the top is 4 blocks away) was completely obscured by the rain - which is the first time I can recall that in the 4 years I've been here. I'm sure I now have Lake Juanita in my front yard with its spillway running through my basement. But hey, it's just water, right?

Brain...at least Obama believes in recycling.

Obama hires a cheif of staff for the VP before he has decided on who it shall be. that means one of 2 things. The fix is in and HRC is the nominee. Or it will be some lightweight that doesn't mind being micromanaged.

Jack

Not to distract from the nastiness, but here is something that bears reading.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/16/business/media/16ap.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

The AP is apparently going to start cracking down on what it considers fair use doctrine infringements in internet postings, although my guess is that it will only target site hosts.

"Defending the indefenseable."

trash attracts trash

pogo, over the past ten days water has become a dirty word. At hour 13 of our vigil yesterday we had an inch of rain in about 15 minutes. Cooled off the smoker for a little while.

Hope there's not really a stream running through your house.

flatus, it's a stream but not a biggee, and it just goes into the drain and disappears. The key is keeping everying out of its path - if I cared more, I'd spend about 5 grand to get it fixed. I don't care more. In WV if you have a basement, you probably have a stream in it - only 1 of the 5 places I've lived here didn't - and it was in the flatlands.

flatus, if it was as hot there as it was here yesterday, that rain was probably a mixed blessing and a curse.

dog, LOL

I had visions of you white-water rafting out the front door of chez Pogo.

I liked the Times fair-use article. I would say the AP is overreaching. They'd be hard-pressed constructing damages, especially because, in most every instance I've seen, the AP article is linked back to one of their member/owning newspapers.

In some cases it would be as absurd as an author or publisher bringing suit against Amazon because Amazon excerpts significant portions of the works they offer for sale.

flatus, you coulda been a law'er. Even without the links, the damages element is what kills most of the fair use lawsuits that could be brought.

dog, you're in big trouble now! :))

I just got called by Democrats Abroad. They asked me if I wanted to still stay on their list because when I have seen evites to events in Brussels I have hammered on the Dems over how they've handled this primary. It was an interesting chat and the guy who called had been a strong Hillary supporter is also pissed but also loves the party. bottom line: I promised not to write anymore negative Dems things anymore on their evites. I made my point :-)

I can understand AP having problems with some of the lazyer bloggers out there. But for the most part they aren't making money so AP will have trouble enforceing their copyright. Most of the good ones pull quotes and give links. They also add value to the quote by incorporating it into their own discussion. As Dogs post pointed out it is hard to give a feel of an article with just 39 words and just posting a link doesn't allow you tom address complex issues.

Jack

"And just to set the record straight and this will be my last post here, " June 16, 2008 1:06 PM

Yeah. Did someone take out the trash?

LOL on the Ouija board. I am having a Jumanji flashback now...

oh Dog, I noticed that right away, but I thought "retort" was intentional !!

Good for you, ET. Did you get a sense of how large the group is that you're a member of?

"I think he's interested in good people and doesn't hold grudges"

That could be true. But it doesn't change a thing I said. Are the Obama people going to be control freaks or is this done with the approval of the secret VP nominee.
It seems to be a highly unusual hire, then again, this is a highly unusual year.
Jack

Sorry folks, it's not a typo. It's a real site, maintained by Drudge and supposedly tilted to the left.

http://www.drudge.com/

Absolutely NOT what I was saying. What I was saying is that if the "pro-life" movement is really about protection of babies, they would stop supporting cutbacks in welfare, nutrition programs and assistance for single parent families. On the one hand they want the mother to be Donna Reed; on the other hand they want the lazy "bitch" to get off her fat ass and find a job. By and large the pro-life movement loses interest once the baby is born and worse yet, fights programs to help the poor to raise their children with sufficient resources.

Posted by: EuroTom | June 16, 2008 11:03 AM

I just question the generalization of all in the Pro-Life 'movement', if it is a movement. There are social conservatives, economic conservatives, and political conservatives, and combinations of the 3 within the entire conservative framework.

Statement of the obvious to say that abortion is a wedge issue used to rouse the base, who may or may not subscribe to the limited social welfare you mentioned. I think a lot of Pro-Life social conservatives of lesser economic status may be favorable to liberal economic policies, though I make that statement with no numbers or research to back it up. Just a thought.

By the way, Tom,

I want to travel through Europe by myself in the upcoming few months. I was thinking of focusing my travels primarily around eastern europe to stretch my weak American dollar, though that may be an erroneous assumption.

Also, are there specific Eastern Bloc, Balkan, or Slavic countries/cities I should avoid out of safety concerns by virtue of the fact I will be alone? I realize this is a broad topic, but any input you had and had the motivation to convey would be appreciated. I only ask you because I noticed you discussing similar topics on yesterdays(?) thread. Thanks.

L-A-T-E-R

Ah, the Ouija Board is telling me it is time to get to work and sign off...

"And just to set the record straight and this will be my last post here, " June 16, 2008 1:06 PM

Yeah. Did someone take out the trash?

Posted by: anon2 | June 16, 2008 3:13 PM

-That's what they all say. I've said it myself, and I ALWAYS get sucked back in. See ya soon, buddy!

Hey All
Here is a Great read on Hillary from New York magazine.http://nymag.com/

" They kind of say it under their breath....as if they are ashamed of what they are saying....but I think they believe it.
I wonder how pervasive that belief is ? "

Burrito-- I hear that here in TN ...but in the end I don't think his race will be any more important than Hillary's gender would have been. Unless, of course, the Rev. Wright stuff is still out there as a weapon.

I think his problems will be more that he'll be branded ultra left, which I certainly don't think he is.

I think his problems will be more that he'll be branded ultra left, which I certainly don't think he is.

Posted by: Patsi | June 16, 2008 3:32 PM

I'm a Republican and you sound like someone who liked Ronald Reagan! rebuild the Republican Party.

Vote these NEOCONS out by voting Obama and voting Reublican for Congressional.

I am off to bed... g'dnight all..

For anyone who cares, Tiger just went down 1 stroke to Rocco Mediate on the 15th.

reg. drudge retort

The Associated Press to Set Guidelines for Using Its Articles in Blogs

The Drudge Retort was initially started as a left-leaning parody of the much larger Drudge Report, run by the conservative muckraker Matt Drudge. In recent years, the Drudge Retort has become more of a social news site, similar to sites like Digg, in which members post links to news articles for others to comment on.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/16/business/media/16ap.html?_r=2&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

(Political Animal) PATTI SOLIS DOYLE....This is genuinely fascinating: Barack Obama has named a chief of staff to his eventual vice presidential nominee, and his choice is longtime Hillary Clinton confidante and former campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle. What's fascinating is not just that he made the choice he did, but that he made it even though he must know that it's going to whip up a frenzy of media speculation. Is this part of a rapprochement with Hillaryland? A payoff for endorsing him? A none-too-subtle wink to Hillary's supporters that maybe she's his choice for VP? A sign of genuine admiration for Solis Doyle's administrative talents? Beats me, but speculation is bound to run rampant.

Also of interest: when I looked up "confidante" to make sure I had spelled it right, I learned that it properly refers only to a woman. I had always thought it referred to anyone in which you regularly confided. You learn something new every day. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/16/politics/animal/main4184294.shtml
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/16/politics/animal/main4184294.shtml

"Also heading the list of new top aides are Jim Messina, former chief of staff to Democratic Sen. Max Baucus of Montana who will be Obama’s chief of staff, and Stephanie Cutter, communications director to Sen. John Kerry’s 2004 presidential campaign who will be a senior adviser to Obama and chief of staff to Obama’s wife, "Michelle.http://www.suntimes.com/1008221,doyle061608.article

I just paid 4.49 per gallon for regular gas

ooh, sudden death playoff, now.

I just paid 4.49 per gallon for regular gas

Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | June 16, 2008 4:10 PM

In six months, you will nostalgically reminisce about the good ol' days when gas was only $4.49 a gallon.

This amuses me. George Bush has no idea what a lightweight he actually is....

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/bush_catholic/2008/06/16/104851.html?s=al&promo_code=6460-1

Just for you KGC

Five Reasons to Love $4 Gas

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4333

Jack
Who paid $3.839 for gas this morning.

Yeah, despite your intentions, that's how some of your posts read. Just so you're aware. Keep speakin' your mind, just an observation.

Champ

Have you noticed how much foriegn travel Bush has been getting in. It may be the last time he can travel abroad. We can hope anyway.

Jack

jack, I'll sign on to reason #2. L

Going, going...

Jack

Thanks. That is the silver lining. I'm thinking about getting out my bike! :)

The problem around here (Marin Sonoma NorCal) is the budgets and routes of our mass transit have been cut back in the last few years. so even if you wanted to take the bus --there isn't one.

If I wanted to take public transportation to Santa Rosa
(about 20 miles) it would be an all day trip and I would have to return before 5p.m.

Tiger wins!!

Jack,

I posted that AP/Yahoo article near the top of the thread (20 down or so) about his National Lampoon European Vacation. Sickening. Those who haven't should skim through it to get their blood boiling. But yeah, I saw it.

Jack

That looks like an interesting site. Do you read it regularly?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/oh/ohio_mccain_vs_obama-400.html

Ohio

Damn I'm posting too much, but agian

Jack,

I have to remark that I really feel it speaks to the level of Bush's intelligence that only now, after 7 years in office, is he exploiting some of those types of perks of his job, and finding out that there are many enlightening cultural experiences to be had outside of Crawford, TX. (and that you don't need to bomb a country before you visit it.)

Jack,
I paid 3.85 two days ago and 2.95 a few days ago with the help of my grocery card. They discount gas based on how much you spend in their store. They sell gift card too so if you need to buy something big, you could buy an AMEX/home depot / best buy/ whatever card there and also get the discounted gas. I think ( not sure) it is .10 cents off for every 50.00 you spend.

I love the reasons listed in the article : we moved our office from downtown to two miles from home, now we walk to work. Also, I am sign up to take motorcycle classes in August. My neighbor just got some sort of mo-ped - 90 mile to the gallon.

If that's where you got it, then why did you ask such a stupid question? The Survey USA poll is clearly out of whack with the others (and older.) The Obama campaign knows even if you are too stupid to know the survey USA poll means nothing.

Why didn't you post all of the infomation in the first place?

a = as

"That looks like an interesting site. Do you read it regularly?"

Yes, I'm on their email list. I used to be a subscriber to both Foriegn Policy and Foriegn Affairs a habit I picked up post college/ precomputer. It is where the Elites go to argue foriegn policy and I like to understand what is being done in my name, even if I have little to no influence over it.

Jack

here's another site you might like:
Foreign Policy Research Institute
http://www.fpri.org/

I've been thinking about how Obama's morals and policies basically cross party lines with true Repuclians....why is it that most people on this blog are drinking the Necon Koolaid? McCain is not a member and a maverick in the Republican Party anymore.

Hes a Neocon and that's what we'll get.

Vote Democrat for President and Republican for Congress. Rebuild the Republican Party

dishes ? cooking ? or running an errand.....I guess I have to run an errand......

peace~

Here is a corrected link on a Great read on Hillary from New York magazine. http://nymag.com/

No one was feeding anything here just pointing out the facts. The survey USA poll is the oldest of the ones listed for Ohio. Keeping spinning. Pointing out the facts does not make one mourning Senator Clinton's loss or a racist. But you claiming that makes you an idiot.

UB''
Looks like crack for an information junky.
Thanks, I think.
Gotta get my fix, gotta get my fix.

Jack

Friday, June 13
General Election: McCain vs. Obama Hotline/FD
Obama 44, McCain 42 Obama +2.0

Nice Russert story, Craig.

tt

Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:20:07 PM PDT
Does Nancy Pelosi have any idea how bad this sounds?

Speaker Nancy Pelosi said she wants the matter settled before Congress breaks for Independence Day at the end of next week, suggesting she is ready to bring the issue to a head.

"We want to pass a bill that will be signed by the president," she said. "And that will happen before we leave for the Fourth of July. So the timing is sometime between now and then. I feel confident that that will happen."

By all means, celebrate the birth of the nation by throwing aside the Fourth Amendment and passing the Protect AT&T Act. There's nothing like optics like that, in an election year, to show a Democratic Party embracing the politics of change. Here's a clue, any bill that will be signed by the president will suck for the American people and for the Constitution. Any bill that will be signed by the president should be unacceptable to every Member of the first branch of government--the one that created the law that Bush broke--and might possibly be struck down by the third branch.

There's this part that I particularly liked, too.
(Emphasis supplied.) How bad a Speaker has Nancy Pelosi been? Even now she craves the chance to cave in to the most unpopular President in history. Just unbelievable.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/6/16/16352/3476

Today's Science Fix: Several new "earths"

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hhYYap4TAzGczvvDL51n97ryHo9A

Ohio predictions 2004
"In Ohio, there have been 11 polls since October 15. Kerry led in 7, Bush led in 3, and 1 was tied. Average support was 47.2 percent for Bush and 48.3 percent for Kerry. Ralph Nader is not on the ballot. Turnout is going to be enormous and two federal judges ruled this morning that Republican political operatives cannot challenge voters in minority precincts. That was Karl Rove's last gasp in Ohio. The Buckeye state will go Democratic this year and no Republican has ever won a presidential election without carrying Ohio"

Well Hardball had enough guts to close with saying that the hiring of Patti Doyle was probably another slap in the face of Hillary Clinton. Not sure if that is true but it does come off as more arrogant strutting.

"Have you noticed how much foriegn travel Bush has been getting in. It may be the last time he can travel abroad. We can hope anyway."

Another good reason for the Fiddler on the Roof prayer for the Tzar?

"May the Lord bless and keep the Tzar ... far away from us."

Woo Hoo

Tiger one the Open. Yeah!!!

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D91BDCBO1&show_article=1

I am getting the sense that many people are afraid to say what they really think about Obama, for fear of being called a racist. As a test I have been talking with people at work about Obama. We have the perfect opening since we are just finishing up printing and binding a new book about Obama (a real fluff photobook). Anyway when I say something like ,well I have some doubts about him, everybody I have spoken to are saying they do too, and they probably won't vote for him. That includes a bunch of people that do not like McCain. I have no idea of these peoples politics but I was pretty suprised with the nearly uniform response, especially being in Massachusetts. I know this is not a scientific poll more of a Trail Mixer report, but contrary to the media lovefest, not everyone is big on the BO.

Hardball had enough guts to close with saying that the hiring of Patti Doyle was probably another slap in the face of Hillary Clinton. Posted by: Jamie | June 16, 2008 6:04 PM

It would be nice to think that there's a more positive meaning to their hiring her. At least that Hillary negotiated for it to endorse him. ??

Jamie, thanks for helping put up the fight for good.

Other Clinton insiders also seethed. "Who can blame Obama for rewarding Patti? He would never be the nominee without her," one person who has worked for both Clintons and remains close to them said. The sentiment reflected what another person in the immediate Clinton orbit described as "shock" that Obama would send such a strong signal that he is not considering Clinton as his runningmate so soon.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/06/16/clinton_insiders_take_umbrage.html?hpid=topnews

Senator Clinton and Ms Solis Doyle are not on speaking terms. Clinton had nothing to do with her getting this job.

Well Hardball had enough guts to close with saying that the hiring of Patti Doyle was probably another slap in the face of Hillary Clinton. Not sure if that is true but it does come off as more arrogant strutting.

Posted by: Jamie | June 16, 2008 6:01

To me it sends two signals:

One: HRC will not be VP.

Two: It sends a clear signal that the VP in the Obama administration will be of little or no importance. Why else would you give them a complete incompetent for Chief of Staff?

Bowmac, I think you and your informal survey are right. That's why I liked this article posted yesterday. It's a good read.

" It's Not Race, It's Arugula
Now let us imagine a different candidate, one who looks like Barack Obama, with the same mixed-race, international background, even the same middle name. But this time, he is Colonel Obama, a veteran of the war in Iraq, a kick-ass Marine with a "take no prisoners" attitude, who vows to follow Osama bin Laden to the outskirts of Hell. He comes from the culture of the military (the most color blind and merit-based in the country), and not the rarefied air of Hyde Park. He goes to a church with a mixed-race congregation and a rational preacher. He has never met Bill Ayers, and if he did he would flatten him. He thinks arugula is a town near Bogota and has Toby Keith on his favorites list. Would he strike no chords at all in Jacksonian country? Does anyone think he would lose 90 to 9 in Buchanan County? Or lose West Virginia by 41 points?....For those Jacksonians who would be fine with a black man in the White House (not as tiny a group as Newsweek thinks), Colonel Obama is the one we are waiting for. When we will get him is anyone's guess."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/215hpooz.asp

Okay. Being a little slow today. The Drudge Retort is a legitimate site

http://www.drudge.com/

and totally different from The Drudge Report

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Why else would you give them a complete incompetent for Chief of Staff?
Posted by: Ally Author Profile Page | June 16, 2008 6:14 PM

But Ally,
Hillary loves her.
It broke her heart to replace her.
She was with her, I think, since she was first lady.

I wanna go to the Obama rally at the JLA tonight and start chanting "LET'S GO RED WINGS!" Wonder if Obama and Al will get their pictures taken with the Stanley Cup?

Chloe: I doubt that negotiating a position for Patti Solis Doyle was part of the endorsement. This was a screw you from Obama to Clinton. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Later Update: A source with knowledge (though not direct) of Sollis Doyle and Clinton's relationship writes in to dispute the idea that they haven't spoken since her firing. Though, he adds, the move by Obama seems likely to shut the door on the idea of Clinton as VP.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/16/obama-hires-solis-doyle-a_n_107395.html

Guess you're right about Doyle. I didn't know.
Why then?

This was a screw you from Obama to Clinton. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Posted by: Ally Author Profile Page | June 16, 2008 6:30 PM

To gain what?

Chloe: I think the Obama camp knew that the media would interpret Patti's hiring as a sign that Clinton would not be VP and perhaps they are using it as a gauge for backlash—testing the waters to see if things have calmed on the Clinton for VP front.

The move was seen as shrewd but potentially controversial. Solis Doyle was let go by Clinton because of what was widely regarded as poor campaign and financial management. But she still is a prominent Hispanic figure with ties to the former first lady -- attributes that could endear Obama to a sought-after political constituency. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/16/obama-hires-solis-doyle-a_n_107395.html

maybe this.

For what it's worth:

Jason Horowitz over at the New York Observer reports the following: "A former bundler to Hillary Clinton just called in to tell me that Barack Obama's selection of Patti Solis Doyle as chief of staff to the campaign's eventual vice presidential nominee is the "biggest *uck you I have ever seen in politics."

http://www.observer.com/2008/clinton-bundler-obamas-doyle-pick-biggest-fuck-you-ever

Now for something completely different. These are amazing. I've seen two of them

WeirdestSculptures&statuesaroundtheworld.pps

Oops. Need the web page not the email link

http://www.toroller.com/2008/01/03/amazing-weired-statues-manuments-sculptures-of-the-world/

"A former bundler to Hillary Clinton just called in to tell me that Barack Obama's selection of Patti Solis Doyle as chief of staff to the campaign's eventual vice presidential nominee is the "biggest *uck you I have ever seen in politics."
Posted by: Politics of Utopia | June 16, 2008 6:39 PM

Utopia, You may be right.
He may have given her one more for the road.
But Patti surprises me.

've had it with references to Arugula and "Obama the Garlic nose hater" (real name Rucola) henceforth I'll label all of you anti-Italian racists!
Posted by: Nick | June 16, 2008 6:45 PM

lol
It won't happen again Nick.

What's Patti's history beyond her work with HRC. Does she have much experience in the field? I guess what I'm asking is - does she have a pedigree that would legitimize what appears to be a coded message from Obama?

- does she have a pedigree that would legitimize what appears to be a coded message from Obama? Politics of Utopia

That's just it. I don't get it. Except for the "prominent Hispanic figure" that I posted above, what's the draw?

LOL LOL
Posted by: Nick

Good.
Now help us with the mystery.

In case you were hoping to age gracefully ... forget it, but you can laugh about it

http://hall4bc04.org/1977_2007.htm

Was there any coverage of the Gore endorsement on 24 hour cable today?

Come on Everyone,

Pati Solis Doyle is still a very loyal Democrat who has been touted as a brilliant strategist in the Party....I didn't believe Mark Penn for one moment....why did you?

Obama is shoring up the management in "Obamastyle" and the communication throughout key places in his campaign and that includes the VEEP ticket.

Of course a VEEP will come with close friends and handlers. But this position as Chief of Staff comes with voice of the Presidential Candidate and clear instructions on how the campaign is to be run, producing one voice and unity.

Chief of Staff for the VEEP ticket coordinates strategic point. Manages travel and campaign on the VEEPS end.

No close friend or handler can do that at a run unless he's gone through the training first.

I know from being on the Kerry campaign that its damn hard.

Obama is playing smart and Solis Doyle is a great choice.

"You don't hire Patti Solis Doyle for her operational expertise," said the bundler. "You don't do that. This is someone who failed dramatically at her job. You only bring her on to fuck someone else."

-from that Horowitz article

So since profane language is acceptable in mainstream journalism now, i'll ask:

Why the fuck did Hillary hire her then? Sounds like sour grapes to me.

"This guy knows how to run a campaign."

Or Axelrod deserves his reputation as the Chicago Karl Rove.

Why the fuck did Hillary hire her then? Sounds like sour grapes to me. Posted by: champ | June 16, 2008 7:06 PM

That's the mystery.

Everyone has a different idea.
But if it was to say "f u", then lets see how well it goes over with the women. The Hispanics are never going to vote for him in mass anyway.

"Don't you do needle work or some such thing? "

Actually yes I do, but that is for later:

http://thiseclecticlife.com/2007/06/14/searching-for-people-with-big-hearts/

My bad--was kidding--what mystery?
Posted by: Nick | June 16, 2008 7:07 PM

The Obama hiring Patti Solis Doyle mystery.

Solis Doyle's first political jobs were with the Chicago machine of Richard Daley and with David Wilhelm as her direct boss.

She is just another sleazy pol.

Obama is rewarding her incompetence and it doesn't say much about what he thinks about his vp pick

Anonymous, that's still a pretty big job he gave her.
Just makes me hate him a little bit more.

May 19, 2008 Politico
“I’ve talked to Patti throughout, I know that she wants to be helpful in a general election campaign, and we appreciate that,” Obama’s chief strategist, David Axelrod told Politico...
Other Democrats familiar with their conversations said there had been informal discussions of Solis Doyle going to work for Obama after the primary formally draws to a close.

“If Barack Obama’s the nominee, I’ll do everything I can to get him elected,” Solis Doyle told Politico.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Solis_Doyle_mulls_Obama_job.html

Maybe they just hired Doyle because they thought she was competent and qualified? After all, so did Clinton for so many years. Anybody can make a mistake. Smart people learn from their's.

Solis Doyle's first political jobs were with the Chicago machine of Richard Daley and with David Wilhelm as her direct boss.

She is just another sleazy pol.

Obama is rewarding her incompetence and it doesn't say much about what he thinks about his vp pick

Posted by: anonymous | June 16, 2008 7:35 PM

And you'll have to link all that, Would love to read about it.

I think if Senator Clinton had such clear love for the woman and Obama is trusting in her too, well that says so much.

If Solis Doyle had been a bad as you are saying the whole Democratic Party would have killed any chance she had.

So take your Right Wing scuzz smears and go somewhere else.

...sigh....lol

She is just another sleazy pol. anonymous

I agree.
Or at least not very loyal.
She sure wasn't very good as a campaign manager.
Stick around.

I know Solis Doyle has been close to Sen. Clinton but she has had past close contacts with Axelrod. Conspiracy theorists might question where her loyaties were during the primary season.

And you'll have to link all that,
Posted by: Chef Sheila | June 16, 2008 7:41 PM

Link this.

"she has had past close contacts with Axelrod. Conspiracy theorists might question where her loyaties were during the primary season."

Ooh. That had crossed my mind.

Well here is too Patti Solis Doyle. May she prove all non-believers wrong and here's the recruitment of Howard Wolfson and Where's Terry? I knew McCaulif will show up on the Obama wagon too.

Don't let the bus leave your at the station guys. You can change your minds, you know.

I'm off for a ring side seat to see my most favorite elder statesman for all time, Al Gore.

He's Endorsing Obama tonight and I have a feeling its also about energy and saving the industry in Motor City.

Posted by: Chef Sheila | June 16, 2008 7:41 PM
Other Clinton insiders also seethed. "Who can blame Obama for rewarding Patti? He would never be the nominee without her," one person who has worked for both Clintons and remains close to them said. The sentiment reflected what another person in the immediate Clinton orbit described as "shock" that Obama would send such a strong signal that he is not considering Clinton as his runningmate so soon.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/06/16/clinton_insiders_take_umbrage.html?hpid=topnews

Senator Clinton and Ms Solis Doyle are not on speaking terms. Clinton had nothing to do with her getting this job.

Too bad you don't bother to read the material previously posted before you enter into the conversation

(Political Animal) PATTI SOLIS DOYLE, TAKE 2....It turns out that Barack Obama's hiring of Patti Solis Doyle is even more interesting than I thought at first. Perhaps because I deliberately pulled back from campaign coverage during the final couple of months after Texas and Ohio, I didn't realize that Solis Doyle had become so estranged from Hillary Clinton after she was fired as Hillary's campaign manager. Far from her hiring being a conciliatory gesture, the developing conventional wisdom is that Team Obama is sending the same kind of message to Team Clinton that the Tattaglia family sent to the Corleones in The Godfather:
"It's a slap in the face," Susie Tompkins Buell, a prominent Clinton backer, said in an interview. "Why would they put somebody that was so clearly ineffective in such a position? It's a message. We get it." She said it was a "calculated decision" by the Obama team to "send a message that she [Clinton] is not being considered for the ticket."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/16/politics/animal/main4185447.shtml

Uh oh. The 2008 presidential election is officially underway! I am now getting conservative jokes and forwards in my email. I'll share:

The Irish are such clear thinkers:

"We, in Ireland, can't figure out why you in the US are even bothering to hold an election.

On one side, you have a bitch who is a lawyer, married to a lawyer, running against a lawyer who is married to a bitch who is a lawyer.

On the other side, you have a war hero married to a good looking woman who owns a beer distributorship.

That should be No Contest."

My family is Irish, btw.

James Clyburn D. SC shown to be the big bacon feller for SC.......more earmarks just for him alone than all other SC reps put together...........and many for his friends and family......

not good.

i could link from here to the moon but the Obamabots
only care about what is written on the koolaide package

link to her bio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patti_Solis_Doyle

Shit, if she wants to go into rabbit holes, I can lead her to ones deeper than the Solis Doyle affair...

This was a screw you from Obama to Clinton. Nothing more. Nothing less.

"what's under that leaf? I don't know. oh look it is another jab the candidate Clinton." No matter who he hired you bitteratti people would not like it. He gets to hire anyone he wants because he won and you guys and gals lost.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Shelia , to save the Motor City they need to get rid of Kwame.

Senor Dooty is correct. In the words of Mayor Joe Alioto
"You don't cash losers tickets at the winners window."

Obama is free to do what ever he wants. It looks like he does not want unity within the Democratic Party.

In a time when the Democratic candidate should be well ahead, he is not. He is going to have to work hard for every vote and instead he is sending voters away.

Either the Clinton's have extraordinarily bad judgment in picking staff or the staff knows things about the Clinton's that makes them want to defect. Which is it?

masquerade

the masquerade of red death.......

The question is:

Is obama the white or the black in chicken shit?

Champ,

I got that joke sent to me a month ago.

Did you hear the one about Obama. Oops, sorry the Obama mind control people will track me down and kill me if I tell it. So no Obama joke.

Besides , I saw the motor city after the Red Wings won the cup. Obama couldn't match that excitement.

corey.....what's a redwing?

Obama is desperate to turn Michigan around because his "Southern" strategy is horsedooty.

Too late the structure of the Michigan Democratic Party is not inclined to help him.

He gets to hire anyone he wants because he won and you guys and gals lost.
Posted by: yo soy Horsedooty! Author Profile Page | June 16, 2008 7:59 PM

Oh gee. And I was just feeling such a warm affection for you and Obama. Oh, well.

Redwing?

I like it.
A red state full of right wingers.

Is obama the white or the black in chicken shit?
Posted by: Independent | June 16, 2008 8:07 PM

Combo.

"corey.....what's a redwing?"

Best work boots ever.

Sturge , the Red Wings have a player named Nick Lidstrom. His nickname is "The Perfect Human". That's how highly he is thought of.

1.4 million fans flocked to downtown Detroit on the day of the Red Wings championship on June 6th.

""Conspiracy theorists might question where her loyaties were during the primary season."

Taking a trip to the Twilight Zone jamie? "

Not at all, just letting an intertaining thought roam free. When it comes to politics, it is like Sherlock Holmes, "when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

Maybe the Little Caesar's pizza was free at The Joe tonight?

what with all the "anonymous" posts--- you people really aren't saying anything that you should be ashamed of; what 's up with that?

is it just more chicken sh*t?

I borrowed one of your last two brain cells.

chose qui plait est a' demi vendue..........

I'm busy trying to invent a new language and idiom. Sturge has inspired me.

I hope you folks don't mind. But I'll be breaking it in right here. Nightly.

Lardo

What thing is half sold?

corey......did you know that the ball park in charleston has attempted to have itself called "The Joe", being named after 54 term charleston mayor Joseph P Riley?

Sturge...you will always be the original. Hats off here!

--or, in the new language I am inventing...

[Sgturnonkmmsk...da demp korgnalxsk. Capskont die doff!]

Jamie.....a pleasing thing.....a think well said......like the douchezenbergen thing.......

Jamie...something half-borrowed?

[Jamsk---die deng burrt haff?]

"just because most choice to spend their day with their heads up their ass doesn't mean I have to join them. "

Somehow I don't think our asses interest you.

I did not know that , Sturge. As we all the know "The Joe" was named after Joe Louis , the greatest boxer who ever lived. At least it's what that barber said in the movie "Coming To America".

Have we decided on a new host for "Meet The Press" yet?

Just for the record, I've been totally ruined ever since Sturge and Jamie made me start thinking about James Joyce and Finnegan's Wake again. I'm ruined, I tell you. RUINED!

Hence, the whole "new language" gambit.

Please bear with me in the interim.

geez......I've been ruined so long I've forgotten not ruined........i guess it comes with age...........

I just checked. My "new language" is tanking on the Japanese stock exchange. And the Europeans are starting to turn up their noses.

It'll be dead by morning.

I'm busy trying to invent a new language and idiom. Sturge has inspired me.
I hope you folks don't mind. But I'll be breaking it in right here. Nightly.

How will you say lardass liberal

Sounds as if ye Laddies and lassies have been imbibing in a wee dram of uisce beatha

Lardo and Mr. Fish

Ease up I just spit my glass of water at the screen.

As to the Russert replacement, they should take their time. Aaron Brown is a good idea but there is no need to rush. They may want to consider a woman or minority. Sunday morning does look like a boys club.

A. Here is your answer:

Lrdrndskn Librell

I am getting so I personally do not care about the "slights" or the "non-slights"...it all seems so sophomoric to me...

....I used to think we were a great country lead by great people....but I am starting to believe....these are all the losers...trying to get their photos and accomplishments in the year book.....making more of themselves the they ever were or ever will be.

It's make me want to live on an island and grow marijuana and sell pooka-shells necklaces to the stoned tourists.(you know the ones, they are bankers and traders,and lawyers...but when they are in the islands they are just people.)

I mean seriously,have you seen who's running for president.....I am not impressed in a favorable way.

i tried the uisce beatha.....and I liked it......but there were no limes, so i switched to chateau neuf du pape............

I like "Jamsk". Maybe that could become my "hidden" alias. This business of going around as no one but me is so obvious and honest.

I have this revolutionary idea for Meet the Press. We change the style of it. Has anybody here ever watched "That 70's Show"? I was thinking of turning Meet the Press into something like their basement discussions. You know , they all sit around and make observations while that funny smoke billows in the air. I just need a host now. Any ideas?

unlikely.....when I was fifteen i was one of those goobers on the boat.......went from san fran to sydney and back stopping at so many islands they all started to look alike.......43 days......I was too young to be stoned but I sure coulda dug it.......i stood outside "Quinn's" in papeete.........

Jamie...I definitely think, at the very least, JAMSK should become your "sotto voce" screen name, like LARDO is mine. It's kinda cool. I like it.

corey.......Mort Sahl

You know , they all sit around and make observations while that funny smoke billows in the air. I just need a host now. Any ideas? Corey

Keep in mind, these are politicians we're talking about here.

Lucky you Sturge, was that something you did for fun? How did you end up on that ship?

lardo.......is it pronounced "Yamskeh"?

it was an attempted bribe.......

I mean seriously,have you seen who's running for president.....I am not impressed in a favorable way. unlikely_burrito

It's depressing.

"Need some starter seeds"

LOL
Seeds? Silly boy
Thats right you don't grow it
You just smoke it.
I could use come starter cuttings if the quality is right.

Anna Moose
Silly anonymous 1,2,and 3 Get a typekey account. or are you trolls too stupid to lie to a machine.

Anna Moose

I guess back then that wasn't a criminal action....to bribe a minor

Sturgeone

If you are looking for a pleasant bit of summer reading, try Jimmy Buffett's "A Salty Piece of Land".

http://www.amazon.com/Salty-Piece-Land-Jimmy-Buffett/dp/B000FDFWLY/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1213664781&sr=1-1

Lots of Islands, tropical breezes, and salty air.

Sturge...that's it: "Yamskeh"

Carve that baby in stone.

life is hard then you die

Full fathom five thy father lies;
Of his bones are coral made;
Those are pearls that were his eyes;
Nothing of him that does fade,
But doth suffer a sea-change
Into something rich and strange.
Sea-nymphs hourly ring his knell:
Ding-dong,
Hark! Now I hear them – Ding-dong, bell.

All the happy Hillary people are all drifting away. I miss them. Every time they come around, the in house Troll puts such an ugly damper over things, no one in their right mind would want to be here. What happened to all for the party, and the party for all? What a bunch of arrogant losers.

Jamie,
Those same thoughts crossed my mind too.Durbin may have convinced her to sabotage Hillary.I had planned not to vote this election,but To make a point I must vote for McCain.Neither nominee is worth voting for,but at McCain's age he will be in a shorter time.And as far as Roe goes,abortion is not as necessary today because of birth control and the morning after pill.Women just have to take more responsibility.

Ruth

"Yamskeh"

Not too sure about that. It sounds a bit like a diseased sweet potato.

Ding-Dong

Those same thoughts crossed my mind too.Durbin may have convinced her to sabotage Hillary.I had planned not to vote this election,but To make a point I must vote for McCain. Ruth

me too.

Just to bring it full circle, drowning-wise:

"I grow old … I grow old …
I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.

Shall I part my hair behind? Do I dare to eat a peach?
I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.

I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each.
I do not think that they will sing to me.

I have seen them riding seaward on the waves
Combing the white hair of the waves blown back
When the wind blows the water white and black.

We have lingered in the chambers of the sea
By sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown

Till human voices wake us, and we drown. "

prithee fill up my glass till it laugh in my face
with ale that is potent and mellow
he that whines for a lass is a ignorant ass
for a bumper of wine has not it's fellow

--wm congreve

there was a comment made earlier by Jamie that I liked:

"What bothers me most is that you are intelligent, have a strong point of view, can find interesting articles, and can be very very funny. Why the need to injure others that you don't know or be so violent in your verbal attacks. It hardly helps your point of view."

I agree, but I would like to add that there are plenty of backhanded insults doled out by others that go ignored. I find the backhanded insult just as bad as the in your face insults.

And since I am typing, this isn't a contest, this is a blog. Be yourself or just give up!

I'm a happy hillary person but I'm a troll.
Not a dumb troll, I know how to lie to a machine so I have a type key account. Here that 123? Silly trolls get an account. Then you will be bonafide

Anna Moose

Be careful folks. Lardo is starting to wave his wand. We are taking a trip to Prospero's Island and anything is possible.

Aol weekly poll has McCain ahead by ten points.All the states are read except eight.Although most of voters on aol are older,they are also the group that come out to vote the most.

Ruth

Animus, give Puggy my regards.

She fully embraced the feminist achievement that she accomplished, she honored the feminist pioneers before her, and she made it clear that sexism has no place in America."
"Progress.org"

ok.....I can live with "jamie".........anyone ever seen "der duve" ?

but yamske has a ring to it.....like styoorjiosk......

oops....red

Jamie...I'll back off. I promise.

It's just that those lines of Prufrock are just among the most amazing words I've ever experienced.

And to think, TS Eliot was just a loser from St. Louis! Turns out, he was the genius of the 20th Century!

Are you guys honestly going to cite and interpret poll numbers from 100 different sources daily for the next 120 days straight? Doesn't that tire you mentally? Just wait until November.

Christmas must drive you guys nuts.

Not a dumb troll, I know how to lie to a machine so I have a type key account. Here that 123? Silly trolls get an account. Then you will be bonafide Anna Moose
Posted by: Anna Moose Author Profile Page | June 16, 2008 9:17 PM

We need to stop calling nice people using a temporary posting name trolls. Trolls are mean, nasty people. Not someone speaking out. We over use that term. We're all anonymous.

Another new wrinkle:

Seems Dean is afraid the little inexperienced youngster could loss his butt, So, the new Obama DNC says they are not going to let Hillary have a voting call at the Denver convention. even tho Dean had one in 2004. And as always been the custom. One more reason not to vote for the "inexperienced youngster"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU9S6ak88_Q

the old potato dance trick......

Before i retire for the night I echo the choice of Craig for MTP.Then I could watch it again.I never turned the tv on yesterday.And today I was sick on the couch so I watched a movie.And it was appropriate for the times.I think it was called Iron Ladies.It was about the sufferagette movement.Even then women were afraid to do what was in their best interests.Just like now when they didn't back Hillary.

Ruth

Sorry, here is the article

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/16/its-not-a-rumor-any-more/

Ruth

Any poll out of AOL is never trustworthy. Virtually all the respondents are 50+. While they do vote in a larger percentage than any other demographic, they are vastly outnumbered by the other demographics and therefor not a good indicator of reliability.

Mr Democrat---------------------

In response to your 11:07 AM post:

‘Whitey’ Source Revealed?

"They explain how Michelle Obama’s value system is deeply rooted in the black separatist teachings of Stokely Carmichael.

In his 1966 article entitled What We Want, in the New York Review of Books, Stokely Carmichael wrote, “about plots to ‘get Whitey‘” saying that “Black people don’t want to ‘get whitey,’” and in a 1969 article entitled Toward Black Liberation, Carmichael talks about racial incidents as “Git Whitey” “sensationalism.”

They have revealed a likely source for Michelle Obama’s use of the term “Whitey,” i.e., Michelle’s mentor Carmichael."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/13/whitey-source-revealed/

(Violent storm yesterday, no electricity until 2 hours ago.)

Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | June 16, 2008 9:17 PM

That's rediculous for you to even say that.
An occasion insult compared to non stop bombardment is not even close.
We're talking evil here.
You mean to tell me you can't see that??

a

I'm so sad, you don't know how to lie to a machine.

Trolls come in all flavors my little a.
Some are nice like Anna.
but their real aim is to start some shit

Anna Moose

lol sturge

Lardo

There is a wonderful well acted little Canadian movie named, "I Hear the Mermaids Singing". If you like character studies, you would enjoy it.

No one ever needs an excuse to enjoy Eliott. Anyone who loves language could drown in his poetry.

Sturge...

The Chaplin video you posted...great stuff.

People were funnier back then. Really.

That was more sophisticated and brilliant comedy than anything that passes for it today.

a- who ever you are - I see snide back handed digs as much as an insult, as a blatant in your face dig....it is a matter of execution.

if you can't see it - maybe you are not recognizing when you have been insulted?

lucky you.

you don't know how to lie to a machine.
Some are nice like Anna.
but their real aim is to start some shit
Posted by: Anna Moose Author Profile Page | June 16, 2008 9:29 PM

Don't be sad little anna
I can lie with the best of them.
Go ahead and start your shit.

Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | June 16, 2008 9:33 PM

Well, then, you just don't get it.
Take off your blinders and look around.
When you're through amusing yourself with your little games.
Whoever you are Burrito

My Goodness Gordo

How can we believe anything you say when you are to dumb to lie to a machine.
If you have a typekey account then you are bonafide. Then everyone will believe you

Anna Moose

a - you are heading to the "ugly zone" please try to stay on topic.

- you are heading to the "ugly zone" please try to stay on topic.

Posted by: unlikely_burrito

I am. You're the one in the ugly zone.
You don't even know what the topic is.
Your usual games continue.

Jamie...it's just such beautiful language. I can't believe that people like Shakespeare and Tolstoy and Dickens and Eliot and Joyce actually existed, really. When you see the kind of crap and minutiae we debate today, on this very blog, it's almost like they belong to an entirely different species...

That's why I love poetry so much. It is untouchable by the smartest of the smarties.

a....here's a big "WHAT EVER" for you . leave me alone for this point forward.

Watch out folks...I gotta sign off for tonight...but next up will be John Milton's Greatest Hits.

It's been fun. See y'all later.

a....here's a big "WHAT EVER" for you . leave me alone for this point forward.

Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | June 16, 2008 9:40 PM

Gladly, Burrito.
I've only been answering you.
Look back and you'll see that.
Don't you want to play the game you started?

Hi Burrito,

Who's this "a" and don't pay attention to her. It knows not who you are and how good you are...

Anna can quote great poetry too

NEVER saw a Purple Cow,
I never hope to see one;
But I can tell you, anyhow,
I'd rather see than be one.
Gelett Burgess (1866-1951)

Who's this "a" and don't pay attention to her. It knows not who you are and how good you are...

At least the game plan never changes around here.
Makes it easy to follow.
The attacker alway morph into the victims.

good night folkers......one last for timmy.......

john donne

DEATH be not proud, though some have called thee
Mighty and dreadfull, for, thou art not so,
For, those, whom thou think'st, thou dost overthrow,
Die not, poore death, nor yet canst thou kill me.
From rest and sleepe, which but thy pictures bee,
Much pleasure, then from thee, much more must flow,
And soonest our best men with thee doe goe,
Rest of their bones, and soules deliverie.
Thou art slave to Fate, Chance, kings, and desperate men,
And dost with poyson, warre, and sicknesse dwell,
And poppie, or charmes can make us sleepe as well,
And better then thy stroake; why swell'st thou then;
One short sleepe past, wee wake eternally,
And death shall be no more; death, thou shalt die.

Thank you, "a" for respecting my request.

wow - What happened here? Is this the twilight zone or what?

Patsi - this is good reason not to give out your real identity.

The work of Chaplin's understudy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64o6s8PmnoE

Gee whiz
The gang's all here.
Coming out of the wood work.
Ooh, I so scared.

Sturge. Perfect.

Patsi, Gordo.
Sorry they are involving you.

abc will never be bonafided

Anna Moose

Thank you- for your comments - you know who you are.

Strength in numbers.
How many does it take to attack one person.
Or are you all the same Troll?

and, - you know who you are.
The same every day.
Getting your laughs playing us.

I guess this place can get ugly........I just never really saw it before.....I'll be better prepared next time.

"Or are you all the same Troll?"

If you were bonafide, you would know

Anna Moose

UnlikeyB...I'm still hangin' for a minnit. What's the problem? I guess I'm not tracking. But if you're in trouble, I would like to help.

I guess this place can get ugly....

you should know.
laughing at the meanest jokes
remember?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KynpC1e9I9E

for a

There's only 4. They can always use one more.
Look back at the posts lard, see where this started?

Larry Sinclair Threatened on Eve of Press Conference

"Regardless of the validity of his claims, it can be said that Sinclair seems quite determined to press his case despite escalating attacks and threats.

But now that Sinclair has booked the NPC, the attacks against him are going nuclear."

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/larry-sinclair-threatened-on-eve-of-press-conference/#more-324

To all the morons who post here...take this:

"Let us go then, you and I,
When the evening is spread out against the sky
Like a patient etherised upon a table;
Let us go, through certain half-deserted streets,
The muttering retreats
Of restless nights in one-night cheap hotels
And sawdust restaurants with oyster-shells:
Streets that follow like a tedious argument
Of insidious intent
To lead you to an overwhelming question … 10
Oh, do not ask, “What is it?”
Let us go and make our visit.

In the room the women come and go
Talking of Michelangelo. "

maybe you ought to rethink who you're worried about.

Thank LL.....I appreciate that...very much.....apparently I pissed someone off...

If I did that , I can only hope they deserved it. Don't worry I can take it.....but wen it come from someone who will not show their real identity...I really can't fix anything.

Don't worry I can take it.....but wen it come from someone who will not show their real identity...I really can't fix anything.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | June 16, 2008 10:00 PM

Its laughable.
It really never does change.
And you all just sit back and watch.
Amazing.
If I stand up to them, it becomes my fault.
And you guys go for it, over and over and over.
You know what's going on here.
How can you watch and say nothing.
One of the nice guys.
Please tell me.

I know.
You're the one's standing on a crowded street, watching someone get beat on by 3 or 4 guys.
But you don't want to get involved.
It's not your business.
So turn your back and walk away.
Until the next guy gets beat on.

lard,

This "a" person was being rude. I just piped in on Burritos behalf.

A = TS Smelliot

Sorry, peddle your dramas elsewhere. Your messages are indecipherable.

Maybe that's cuz so much much of the "drama" here really isn't drama, but nonsense.

Honestly, I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

And I've read
the thread

Hi Sheila. Good to see you here. Thanks.
Not sure what's going on, subtext-wise. Just posting poetry and defending my friends from trolls.
Good to see you.

ya know, I really don't comment very much here. I say this and that, relating to my own life.....I try not to insult people

"a"...can shove it up her/his ass, for all i care. seriously.

life is short then you die!

peace~

out of here for the night

ub

Really no need to respond to cowards and bullies. All that gets you is more of the same. With all the changes and aliases, you are fighting with shadows to terrified to come out of the dark alleys where all the other rats reside.

Dog...does that post mean you are the infamous A?

I hope not.

Just posting poetry and defending my friends from trolls.
LardassLiberal Author Profile Page | June 16, 2008 10:09 PM

Lards friend:
a"...can shove it up her/his ass, for all i care. seriously.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | June 16, 2008 10:10 PM

Dog. Sorry. I just read back and realized you were quoting.
You should use "quotation marks" when you do that, though.
My bad.

Hey Dog...I'm not sure who "a" or "abc" are. I honestly don't care to probe what they think. I won't bore you again with my longstanding rant about regular posters who assume different names to make different points. I just honestly don't get it.

I mainly just wanted to apologize for misreading your earlier message. I didn't realize you were quoting them.

Since you represent under your own name, I owed you that much.

Dog

Not sure what you are talking about. I was barely here this morning.

Hi lard,

Good to see you too. Just taking care of friends like UB.

A1, 2, and 3, a and abc are some of the most negative anons so far.

Anna Moose is a rare Troll (her title not mine). I like her honesty. ;0)

Dog...Thanks. I get it now, and appreciate what you're saying.

And just so you know, because you're such a reliable and valuable regular here, I would defend you just as much as I defend UnlikelyB from trolls who can't be more creative than using the first letter of the alphabet to identify themselves.

Or the first three letters.

I RRRRREAALLLY gotta go now. Gotta work on that new language I'm creating.

See you all tomorrow.

Julia
I sure hope Dean and N.Pelosi and the Obama team don't take a slap at Hillary in Denver? I don't know how reliable this N.Q. is though?I think there the ones pushing the phony M.O.tape.Thanks for your post

Gees it is particularly incoherent tonight. Yes, sad to see Tim go though his Hillary treatment wasn't his finest hour. He sure could run laps around people like Uberwit and Mathpews.

Let's see, what is news today? France, Germany and England back Bush on Iran as the Gucci government in Pakistan has so emboldened the Taliban with their pathetic deals, the militants free Afghanistan prinsons and take towns. Gee Obama, your strategy seems to be working just fine.

The move of the DNC still looks as charming roday as last week....LOL Obama hies ex Clinton manager..LOL

And that idiot Dodd who plotted with Edwards and Obama to screw Michigan is caught in the shady zone.

So as Iraq reaches lower fatalities and Iran is loathed to sanctions while Pakistan's "moderate" government inflames trouble in Afghanistan, Obama brilliance will find plenty of supporting evidence.

How Obaudacious! And look at Obama getting down with religion! he talking about Jesus at last. What a laugh. Gore ought to tell Obama to cool it cause he's raising the global temperature.

Chapelle was so right about Kelly. Where's the digital piss when you need it?

Birthdays.

Today, my mom would have been 99 and my younger grandfather 128. My older grandfather would be like 150 this year.

The first two I miss greatly.

The only recollection I have of my other grandfather was of the events surrounding his funeral. I was only a toddler when he passed.

Oh, my dad would have been 115 this year.

May they all rest in peace.

God Bless Them and You and Yours Flatus

Dyeezzz.

I stopped reading. This is tarting to annoy me.....

Get a life people!

Why not keep it civilezed. is it so difficult?

Hi Jason,

That was some run tonight on the posts, eh?
How are things in your part of the world? I posted an article from no quarter, but because it is primarly a Hillary site, everyone discounted it. They are saying Obama and his new dnc are not going to let Hillary have a roll call vote in Denver? I was going to write in Hillary. But more and more I am thinking McCain sure looks a whole lot more acceptable than Obama and his dirty politics.. What is your opinion..
Prof Marcia, you on yet?
Julie

I am 100% going to sit this out Julie. I am sick and tired of these games and these insults.... I hate to say it, but this primary has enlightened me about the role politics is playing in my life now. I am not a follower anymore. I make my own freakin´ judgement...
And my gut is telling me to sit this one out...and so I intend to...

I cannot vote for McCain, but will also never vote for BO.
As I said earlier, we know how he played the race card and how he manged to use the media for his own galore.....

I will sit it out...that is a given.

Nevertheless it is till nice to read, allthough the harshness on this blog is getting to a point where I just have to blink and sigh.....

Holland is at the moment extremely orange due to the two wins in euro 2008. Tonight is the 3rd match against Romania.....Holland is allready into the quarters.

What are folks going to do? Have they voiced an opinion yet? I have never voted republican before.
Family have been democrats since 1840.

Soccer?

Boy have we had the rain here. Western Kansas has 5 county drought, and Iowa particularly and few other states are flooding. Corn crop is going to be slimmer this year, for food and fuel.

I was saddened by Mr. Russert's passing, as I had become familiar with him as I was a regular MTP viewer.
I also was aware of his lighter side as he would be a frequent guest of Don Imus. And too, for me it was a stunning death as Mr. Russert and I were the same age.
Now we move on.
There won't be a move to find a Russert-like replacement because there are none.
Meet the Press has had many moderators and was headed for cancellation when Tim Russert was hired and stamped the program with his brand.
David Brinkley was killing MTP and Tim stepped in and righted the ship.
We can speculate on a replacement but the truth is that the board will decide who they can hire that won't be steamrolled by Stephanopulous.
I'll say this, though...CBS SMN has run its course.
CBS should dump SMN and look for a "new George Herman".
Herman, who died in 2005, was a great Sunday moderator, with FTN.
Charles Osgood is in his mid-seventies and he shouldn't be replaced...the whole concept should be scrapped and CBS should return to a MTP-type program.

Hello Jason..I have become disheartened with lack of quality and the lack of respectful discussion on this blog.

I rarely participate anymore and in short order probably won't participate at all.

The reason I checked out this blog was because I enjoy Craig Crawford and find him interesting, bringing a perspective to political analysis that we don't see very often.

I feel badlythat his blog has become such an outlet for angry, messed up people.

Dexter,

Always thought Stepanopoulas(sp) group was pretty good.
Thought Russert was also good until this years debates that he moderated. Like asking Obama simple or loaded questions that were a no brainer,
Then hitting Hillary like a brick. I lost my respect for him at that point. Perhaps that is GE stance now, but their stock fell its its lowest today. SO it may not be working as well as they want it to.

Julie

Hi OD,

Long time since I saw your posts. Are you fence sitting this year or have you decided to vote for BO?

Julie

OD and everyone,

The harshness we are experiencing here, is the way society is turning these days.
Although I am only 30 yeras old, people have often told me that I am an old soul reincarnated into a young body. LOL..... Seen as I am cathloic I do not believe in reincarnation, but.....I do feel that sometimes I am out of touch with the world today.
I seldom drink alcohol, I have never used drugs etc etc...due to the way my parents raised me. Strict!
Being an Afrcan American, drugs were never ever tolerated and alcohol was only consumed on december 31st...
But,
I am happy the way I was raised...
We (my brother, sister and I) all turned out very good and respectable human beings.

But,
If I look around and I do not have to go far...Just staying here on the blog...I sense the urgency of people wanting to be accepted.
The mere sole of some commenting on here is to be accepted. And they force their opinions on others as their justification of being someone, belonging somewhere. It is sad, because they cannot sense when it is time to shut up or give the stage to someone else.
The harshnees comes into play, because they feel that they own the spotlight.... It is my opinion or none!

As I am reading here for weeks and months these people sometimes irritate me, but I try to not let it get to me. I read and the immediately take it out of my system.....

Continue to come, read and make up your own opinion. The god thing is, that by reading these comments you get the sense of where you are as a person, in the USA and where ever you reside.

The sad thing is, that we as a society lay blame on our politicians for giving us the wrong example, we accuse of being everything that is bad.....but as a people we thrive on that and try to keep our hands clean, when all we do (most of us) is getting into the nitty gritty and doing our share of spreading hate and anger.....

Thats why this primary was so important...The battle between these two people wasgood, because it showed us where we are as a nation...and IMO we are nowhere when it comes to being tolerant, forgiving and human....And it is not a black and white thing..it is a SOUL thing!
sad!

Julie..I will work on our local congressional race.

I have little regard for Barack Obama..less regard each day.

I thinki Obama will be a very weak candidate. He and McCain are both trainwrecks waiting to happen. I'll just observe the mess.

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It's amazing how you idiots attempt to degrade a true American icon. Like him or not, you idiot bloggers could never carry Tim Russert's water. When all of the silly MSNBC wannabees talk about Tim's fairness and willingness to listen, tell them to "talk to a mirror"