Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

nader's nadir....
Nader? Nay, dear.....

Good morning Sturge, if you're still around. Thanks for the info about Doug Clark....I had a hazy college memory of a rowdy night at a place called The Dark Horse Inn -- and the Hot Nuts....

patsi......oh, they were a wonderment.........

get a water proof box of some kind for the propane tanks and put it in the back yard, maybe........

PROPANE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibLxvFbLoxo

thanx to richard bowden and sandy pinkard.......

Just FYI, there's a good poll analysis site and I don't remember if anyone has mentioned it:

www.fivethirtyeight.com

the main thing is make sure no leaks.....put a soap and water solution onto the hook-up place and if you see bubbles, there's a leak.....I know people who have propane tanks connected to heaters which mount above them in their basement year round (basements here are above ground)......maybe not the safest thing but apparently common usage........

thanks sturg, my dad says it's probably in the line and should leave it disconnected for a while, let it drain

yep..........the dads have the goods on that type of things......lol

Craig should get his own show. On Morning Jo they treat him like the red headed step-child, on Imus it is just blah talk anymore; that is Imus' fault not Craig's. Craig is not only better than Matthews or KO, he is also fairer in his approach and treatment of issues. Yep, I am convenience Craig should get his own TV show.

On that propane issue. The chance of those tanks blowing up are about the same as you walking down the street and breaking your ankle. Oh wait a minute, that actually happened to you. On second thought I suggest placing them outside.

Good to see you on Imus, Craig!

Agree with Fry....Craig should have a show.

TV's Catch-22............anyone who should have a show.........won't get one

but i vote yes, just the same.......

Speaking of tv shows....or rather, cable channels...I sure wish my dad would have had ESPN, RFD TV and the Weather Channel. He'd have been in tv heaven. Of course, even with ESPN, he'd have still had another ballgame going on the radio by his chair. Sometimes he seemed to be tracking four or five baseball games at once.

If you say "Nader" really fast 3 times it almost sounds like "Neener, Neener, Neener!"

good morning gang....

Craig.... Nader is still irrelevant.....
and all you have to do is google "propane tanks + storage"..... no one would ever recommend that you keep them in your basement..... they need to be kept in a well ventilated area..... most people keep them in an outdoor shed.....

Imus seems afraid to talk about certain subjects.... when you stated that Israel wants us to attack Iran for them.... Imus obviously didn't want to touch that statement with a 100 ft pole.... might be accused of anti-Semitism.....

oh the PC world..... it's so friggin' bland....

You are the only rebellious person left , Renee. :)

the fifteen US senators who tried to block telecom immunity.....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/26/the-15-dems-who-tried-to_n_109304.html

Craig,

Okay, the hard questions. Why three tanks?? Why not one in the grill and one spare?

We just leave our spare on the back deck--no one's ever pinched it. For our lawnmower and generator gas, I have one of those low, but long and reasonably wide, plastic storage containers designed for use around swimming pools. Has enough room for a couple five-gallon gas cans, assorted lubricants and spray paints, and the chainsaw and a gas powered trimmer. Locks, too.

Sturg's hint about the soapy water is of course correct. Always did it when we had our travel trailer.

Now, I know you think we've been picking on you. So forget everything we said and just get the official word. Call the city fire marshal and ask if it's okay to store spare, filled, containers of propane in your basement.

Sturg and I are willing to take bets on the probable answer.

As I'm sitting here pondering whether or not to push the 'submit' button, the thought occurred to me that this conversation will be as productive as the fatherly advice I offer my 'adult' children.

I too would love to see Craig have a show. However it will not happen because he is way too informed and not talking the corporate line. What a shame !
Speaking of Nader-- boy was he trashed last night on Chris Mathews by a couple of African-americans. I think what he said has a lot of truth but of course is considered politically incorrect. It is also sad that African Americans seem to take any criticism of Obama in such a very personal way. They have really closed ranks. I too have been mad at Nader in the past but I don't think he should be ridiculed. He has contributed tremendously to this country.

This morning's Doonesbury is good:
http://news.yahoo.com/comics/doonesbury

Craig's show should be a daily 10-minute monologue on the network of your choice. If that works well, add an occasional guest, and expand from there.

OK, I want to see a Crawdad represent at one of the conventions with MoJo.

As for Nader, I got one useful piece of info from him. (Not sure what show he was on or what article it was in, though.) Always buy the same kind of socks; if you have a blowout, all of your other socks are matches. No more orphans. Ralph really is the Martha Stewart of politics. No darned fun, but practical as all get-out.

Oh, and I believe your headline is Nader’s Nadir.

I think all patriotic Americans should store our spare propane tanks in Iran and North Korea, until further notice.

Lard – Storing your propane at home is now isn’t patriotic? Are you calling Hank Hill un-American? I guess that means BO stores his at home, too. After all, as we learned on yesterday’s thread, BO is not only a secret Muslim, but a secret Canadian, as well.

"is" "isn't" Wow. :(

Uh-oh , Blue. I guess we should get Dale Gribble's opinion on all of this. I'm sure it's some sort of government conspiracy. It's either that or it's the work of Chuck Mangione. LOL!

Too funny!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibLxvFbLoxo

Blue...
Hank Hill un-American?!!....
what's next....... Quagmire going celebate....

Jane... welcome to the blog....
and excellent post....

Okay....just to keep our options open for the future:

"...spare propane tanks are most safely stored in any well-ventilated rogue nation currently designated as being part of the 'Axis Of Evil' "

That way, we can ship 'em to France if they start acting up again.

Nick -- I still remember the first time I saw Ernest T on Andy Griffith....I literally howled. Remember when they switched the Darling daughter out with Barney in a bride's costume. Truly a classic.

reminds me of that old bob dylan song about exploding propane tanks....."the hamster is blowin' in the wind"

lard......but none of those countries have soapy water...........

Sturge...thanks for reminding me. Yet another reason we live in the greatest nation on the face of the Earth. Abundant soapy water.

I'm off to shoot another lousy round of golf. (Thinking if I say it that way, I'll break 90. Wish me luck).

If we send them propane it should be in the form of the "Commando Vault" munitions used in Vietnam.

Craig's laugh reminds me of Jean Shepherd's--infectious. Maybe a radio show would be the right venue.
It is difficult to say that this recent flap has hurt Nader--when you are at 4% you don't have too much to lose and how else would he get on mathew's show? With issues?

Oh that was wonderful. Belzer's dog threw up on Mika ... never a more beloved pooch donating to a more deserving woman. Grinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

"the fifteen US senators who tried to block telecom immunity....."

Should be no surprise that Obama waffled on this -- I'm tellin' ya, he's so deep in the tank for the telecommunications industry that he may get the bends.....

Supreme Court to issue decision on D.C. gun case

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080626/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus

Over on the National review they seem to think Scalia is writing the opinion.

Gun control has alway struck me as a problem for movement conservatives. Do you come down on the side of 'government estabishing order' or the libertarian 'we don't need no stinkin rules'.
Movement conservatives are a bit schizophrenic.

Jack

Craig,
Your airbag story reminds me of one I read a week or two ago about some lady that picked Nader up at the airport (long ago). She said she was wearing 4 inch heels (to compensate for being so much shorter than him) and could barely keep up walking through the airport. He proceeded to spend the entire time they were together, lecturing her on the importance of wearing good shoes. It was a lengthy discussion.

As far as Nader being less than impressed with Obama, that doesn't surprise me. Obama has been so vague on so many things and as your story points out, he's very detail oriented.

As for his not buying Obama's message of change, it reminds me of what Joan Rivers (I know, bad source) said on Howard Stern (bad source) yesterday when they asked her who she was voting for. She said she didn't know, but she wasn't voting for Obama because she still didn't know what the change was.

Unfortunately, I agree. With Nader and Rivers.

"As I'm sitting here pondering whether or not to push the 'submit' button, the thought occurred to me that this conversation will be as productive as the fatherly advice I offer my 'adult' children."

Ha, Flatus -- During my son's college years, he spent a semester as a NASA Fellow...when he left, my daughter and I bought an electric grill for the patio. We had no intention of blowing ourselves up!

"Oh that was wonderful. Belzer's dog threw up on Mika ... never a more beloved pooch donating to a more deserving woman. "

I saw that, Jamie....hilarious!!!! And Joe said, "Somebody buy that dog a steak." Ha!

I keep my tank in my garage, which is attached to my house. So my family room is probably in the blast zone.

About Nader on a Roll. I think he would be better served on a bagel.

Craig, your blog today is so full of information and links today, I'm having trouble getting through all the information and go on to read everyones comments. I love it. So much information.

Rachel did a good job on that interview of Nader.
Loved his definition of spoiler: a contemptuous word of political bigotry. He had me agreeing with him by the end.

It's hard for me not to like a guy who 'says it like it is'.

From the folks at McClatchy
A good read imo.

"How Obama and McCain will win the presidency — or so they think"

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/42209.html

Jack

Lardo......by the way, If I hear the words " Will no one rid me of this meddlesome fish?" I'm outa here........

"U.S. border agents copying contents of travelers' laptops"

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/42186.html

Jack

OK, a little humor

"Why Miami isn't like where you live: Brothel bus busted"
http://www.miamiherald.com/459/story/582458.html

"The accused took their clothes off, performed lap dances, and for $125, beckoned their clients to the VIP room -- a curtained-off area in the back of the bus -- according to the report and a detective's testimony in court"

LOL
Being a vice detective is such a tough job

Jack

Chloe....
you read that story here on this blog.... our Alicia was the lady who picked Nader up at the airport.....

sturg..... I gotta remember not to be drinking anything while reading your posts...

Nick..... I LOVE Tv Land.... my favorite at the moment is The Beverly Hillbillies.... and god I wish they'd put Sanford & Son back on at night.....

For Obama, Wooing Hillary Is the Easy Part

``President Clinton is obviously committed to doing whatever he can and is asked to do to ensure Senator Obama is the next president of the United States.''

Message: I Don't Care. P.S. You Are Dead To Me. In the pantheon of kiss-off adverbs, ``obviously'' ranks up there with ``frankly.'' The only way to drive ``get lost'' home harder would have been to add, ``If you have any further questions, do not hesitate to call.''

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_carlson&sid=aKQP3tMdLu1U

mornin' all.

With cream cheese and lox? I just couldn't take him straight.

Ever see a propane tank leak catch fire? It's, ummm, impressive. Think rocket engine. Guy behind the inlaws was grilling on his back porch, we were in the inlaws' house watching tv. Mom in law says, what's that roaring noise? (Bear in mind, they live about 1 1/2 miles from Cleveland-Hopkins Airport, so they aren't unfamiliar with jet noise) Look outside, blue flame jet about the width of the propane tank it's coming from is shooting up through the aluminum deck cover on the back of the guy's house. Hard to say how long it lasted, but best guess - a minute. It melted a 3' hole in the 10x12 cover and an 8' wide swath of vinyl siding. When it fell over and started spinning when it was about burned out, that was quite impressive, too. Suffice it to say, it ain't something you want going on in your basement. But there's this - if yu are sleeping late because the alarm didn't go off, you'll wake up.

Anyone catch Dumya's address this morning? What a maroon. Talk about deep denial. He'll be in big trouble with the neocons now. I can't wait for the John Bolton response.

Call me Gordo, I'm just cutting and pasting.

An explanation for all those articles that have you saying, WTF?

"This tear in the fabric of spacetime does explain some of the more absurd commentary we have heard over the past few years: That the credit crisis is contained, or the economy was doing well, that real estate has bottomed, etc. We are simultaneous inhabiting two separate universes, one where everything is going swimmingly -- and this one. "

http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/06/barrons-no-war.html

Outa here for the rest of the day.
Got a ditch to dig.

Jack

chloe.....or the ever popular, "If you need my help, just hesitate to ask........"

you read that story here on this blog.... our Alicia was the lady who picked Nader up at the airport..."

Renee, thanks for reminding me. I can never remember where I read those things. I thought it was on a professional blog. It was a great story.

sturg, good to see that you got that special coffee in - it's working. LOL

Sturge,
I assume your referring to that well written piece by Margaret Carlson.

I loved the ending: No one, least of all Obama, should ever forget that neither Elvis nor Mrs. Elvis is ever leaving the building.

U.S. Citizenship by Birth or Through Parents

"The laws governing whether or not a child born outside of the United States acquires U.S. citizenship from his or her parents have changed several times. The law that was in effect on the date of the child's birth determines whether he or she acquired U.S. citizenship from a parent or grandparent

December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986

If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16. There are no conditions placed on retaining this type of citizenship."

http://immigration.findlaw.com/immigration/immigration-citizenship-naturalization/immigration-citizenship-naturalization-did-you-know(1).html

pogo......laaaaaarge cup.......

chloe.....I'm unaware of the marg. carlson piece......dont know that i've ever even read her stuff.......

chloe.....oh....i see....no i didnt read the carlson piece.....i was referring to your sentence

get lost'' home harder would have been to add, ``If you have any further questions, do not hesitate to call.''

Just read a few of the Nader links. Good lord, the man is (still) losing it. I admired much of his consumer protection work, his railing against corporate interests, and his willingness to touch nerves. He's become a characature of himself. He apparently has his own idea about how a black - or half black for that matter- man must run for president and have black cred or risk being perceived as kowtowing - or at least not threatening - to white interests. It is clear to me that Nader's opinion is based on his own racial assumptions. He's obviously not a post racial candidate, but he certainly does recognize that the sucessful post racial candidate can't runa campaign based on what he perceives as racial issues.

The Threat and Fear Are Real. The Rhetoric Isn't

If we were not quite so taken with this exchange of hot air we would, perhaps, have noticed that another federal court decision has gone against the Bush administration's anti-terrorism detention policies, this time with a ruling in favor of a Chinese Muslim detainee. It is the second rebuke this month

Republicans would do well to stop conjuring up dangers where none exist. But Democrats must drop their reflexive response that any mention of terrorism amounts to playing the "fear card." The threat is real. So is the fear. What are these candidates going to do about it?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/06/the_threat_and_fear_are_real_t.html

"He wants to come across that he's not politically threatening to the white power class and the liberal intelligentsia. It's been a brilliant tactic."- R. Nadar

How astute! That's like calling you brilliant for using an umbrella in a rain shower. :)

Sturge,

Your remembrance of the Hot Nuts reminded me of Dan Hicks.

Nader's on a roll alright...with mustard, relish, ketchup and cheese on top.

Enjoyed Craig on Imus this morning...think I'll listen again (more wakefully) on the rerun coming up on imusonair.com.

The following is a public service announcement.

I just went back and read through some of yesterday evening's posts and almost busted a gut laughing at LL's 7 insults, restated here for those who weren't around.

1 "You must be mistaken"
2 "Surely you jest"
3 "Can you be serious?"
4 "I beg to differ, my dear sir." [as amended for women and post operational transexuals]
5 "Pardon me, but I believe you are in error..."
6. "On the contrary"
7. You are a fucking moron

With "nitwit" and "Maroon", i think there are plenty of good things to say when folks here say STUPID SHIT.

... Get 'em from the peanut man.

Go figure?

Just heard a new term (to me) "reverse globalization".
Seems it's now costing to much to ship (import) so now we need to make them here. LOL

Ivy Green,
Thanks for mention imusonair. I didn't even know about it, and I missed Craig on it this morning.

Just saw on CNN that the USSCt overturned the DC handgun ban - I predicted that.

I am not so irritated at Ralph Nader as much as I am at the IDIOTS who decided there was absolutely NO difference between the Democrats and the Republicans and therefore voted for Nader.

2000 Presidential Voting results in NH and FL

NH: Bush: 273,559 Gore: 266,348 Nader: 22,198

FL: Bush: 2,912,790 (this one really hurts): Gore: 2,912,253 and then,
Nader: 97,488

Bush led Gore in NH by 7211

Bush led Gore in FL by 537

Even if one was argue that only ... oh let's say 10% of the Nader voters would have voted for Gore if Nader wasn't on the ballot (a figure that I think is quite conservative), FL would have then given Gore 9749 extra votes, more than enough for him to win. Even if you say that's too high, it isn't, and only 5% voted Gore cause Nader wasn't on the ballot, that would result in approx 4874 more votes for Gore, again enough for him to win.

If you are totally pessimistic that the Nader effect didn't create the 8 years of MESS we have been in since SHRUB has been President, even if 1% of the Nader supporters voted Gore if Nader hadn't been on the ballot, that still would have been 975 extra votes for Gore... yet again a WIN.

So for those who voted for Nader in 2000, I hope they are proud of themselves. I'll leave it for others to make a laundry list of f*ck ups the Bush administration has done to our economy, our health, our sustainability, our safety, our status in the rest of the world... etc. etc. etc. . I would say the Nader voters can sleep every night with blood on their hands: aka the War in Iraq.

That's my take on it.

Hears a link to the CNN article on it.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/06/26/scotus.guns/index.html

Nick,
I saw it. Thanks again.

Hillary soon to be a widow! From THE GLOBE, a publication similar to those my hero reads for intell.

http://www.globemagazine.com/

"FORMER president Bill Clinton has only a year to live! That's the shocking conclusion of a top expert on aging who analyzed the shirt-chasing Democrat's health problems and wild lifestyle in an exclusive study."

This may be of interest to some--Supreme Court
rules 5-4 striking down DC handgun ban

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/business/AP-Scotus-Guns.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

coreen - jinx.

Jack,
U.S. border agents copying contents of travelers' laptops"
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/42186.html

"They and other groups consider seizures made without probable cause to be an invasion of privacy that leaves the door open to ethnic and racial profiling."

Maybe the should become acquainted with 19 USC 1582 and
19 USC 1595. Just part of the Tariff Act of 1930. This is nothing new. It has been test in courts thought out this land thousands of times and always seems to win out.

One more thing about Nader. He is always so sour and droll. He reminds me of this totally anal retentive housemate I had. The guy was sooo focused on his lessons that he couldn't even enjoy an occasional act of spontaneity. We asked him once "hey wanna go to the movie theatre"? His reply was "oh no, I must working on my opening paragraph for my essay on MELVILLE." He was so uptight that I would say "grab a towel, and some lube and go have fun with yourself or find a girlfriend or something. LOOSEN up!" To no avail. Somehow Ralph's personality is a lot like that ex-roommate's. Totally joyless.

KC, just for you.

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/26/touring-rome-on-a-vespa/index.html?hp

Oh and a big pffffft to the Supreme Court for their decision on handguns.

PROPANE IN DC:

Craig, you said you couldn't find propane in DC. I have the answer for you -- Use Propane Taxi. We do it - we order online and they can show up the same day. Amazing service and it's cheaper than buying it yourself. I think thousands of DC residents do this.

http://www.propanetaxi.com

Ralph Nader is a joke. BTW Craig, I swear you'll find something negative when Obama has a landslide in November. Maybe if Obama doesn't win Alaska, that'll portend disaster?

Now DC residents will have the same rights to possess hand guns as do the criminals.

Now DC residents will have the same rights to possess hand guns as do the criminals.

Posted by: FryDaddy | June 26, 2008 10:41 AM

Yeah and now kids can pick up daddy's guns and go kill classmates, teachers, or both, or Daddy hears someone moving around in the house, grabs the gun and ends up killing one of his children.

Safe fricken world... good one!

Hey Craig,

I was just wondering. Do you ever sleep?
I was just checking out your facebook site, and you were posting at like 4am. You submitted your blog at 6am and now I'm here listening to you on Imus online. That's quite a schedule, being that you're working on that battery for McCain in your spare time. Quite impressive.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=17347137146

Obama does not support fairness doctrine

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6573406.html?desc=topstory

ET, there were more handgun deaths in DC last year than in the year the ban was initiated. Aside from being (arguably) facially unconstitutional, it didn't work. And like the outcome of the decision or not, it's a decision that needed to be made to clarify the scope of the right to keep and bear arms. (Which has nothing to do with bare arms or armed bears).

John McCain leads Obama 44 percent to 42 percent in Alaska, with Libertarian nominee Bob Barr taking 3 percent, according to the Global Strategy Group survey
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/06/obama_in_alaska.html

Euro Tom,

Trust me Tom if your kid wanted to killed their classmates, a empty propane tank filled with fertilizer and some diesel fuel would create more carnage, and is much easy to come by.

Women hears a noise in her home, has no gun and is raped and killed. That happens more times that your scenario.

If you took all the guns away from all legal citizen, that would leave only 3 groups left who would have guns. Military, law enforcement and criminals.

Chloe

"It's hard for me not to like a guy who 'says it like it is'."

Nader should occasionally consider that there is a good reason most saints end up martyred ... nobody can stand to have them around while they are alive. : )

Good afternoon Mr. Obama,

Regarding the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE: "I beg to differ, my dear sir". Equal time balances access to the media and offers a platform to bring other views that are unrepresented or underrepresent in broadcast media.

You state that it is a distraction. "Pardon me, but I believe you are in error" .. Do examine how broadcast media has changed since the Fairness Doctrine was put to rest. It is time to resurrect it and give us a more level playing field, especially when dealing with the mainstream broadcast media.

With friendly regards..

Thomas

I'd love to see Craig go after McCain every once in a while. This blog is getting kind of ridiculous.

Chloe,

You're welcome. Another site to go is imustruth.com. They keep a library of imus's shows on audio that you can listen to anytime. Craig's interview will be there later today, no doubt.

I just re-listened...I apparently had slept through more of the interview than I realized the first time around. I agree that Imus seemed tentative about going in some of the directions Craig tried to lead him...too bad.

gordo copied this from the Globe, "analyzed the shirt-chasing Democrat's health problems" I would have described Bill as a "skirt-chasing" instead of a "shirt-chasing". But that is just me.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

P of U he just did yesterday.

"Surely you jest"

ET

If you really, really wanted to stop deaths of children you should outlaw swimming pools not guns.

The only way the statisticians can make the numbers for death by firearms in children is by making it "under 18" and including all gang and drug oriented crimes. For most "children" under 18, death by guns is so rare as to be almost negligible and far below accident and disease.

chloe, doesn't everyone, at least here, try to say it like it is? Nader's on a bigger stage, and deserves credit for "saying it like it is" in a context where that is uncommon. Of course the problem is that "like it is" is in the opinion of Nader, who has no more claim to knowing the truth about how anything is than does oanyone else. More or less will agree with him, depending on what he's talking about and the way he sees it.

ET: He wasn't critiquing McCain - he rarely does - he was looking at Charlie Black's "gaffe"

ET

"Equal time balances access to the media and offers a platform to bring other views that are unrepresented or underrepresent in broadcast media"

So the government would dictate to a radio station who, what, where, when, and how, their format would be? WOW, talk about absolute government control.

ET: He wasn't critiquing McCain - he rarely does - he was looking at Charlie Black's "gaffe"

Posted by: Politics of Utopia | June 26, 2008 11:07 AM

Pardon me Sir, I must have been mistaken :-)

To Jamie... well if they banned all guns I would buy the argument that the handguns could not be taken away. It's only a small percentage of the guns that would be banned, no?

Ivy,

Craig still managed to cover a lot of territory. And he said again that he thought Bill never did really play the race card. AT least he had more time to talk in the type of format that Imus has.
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I'm not sure why people take offense to Craig's blogs, I see them as rather neutral. He looks at facts and situations as separate from the general issue or who you support. I don't see who he favors in this election. Like he said the other day, he is harder on the candidates he most likes.

He just gives us things to think and talk about. I have never gotten the feeling that he's trying to influence us or push us in any certain direction.

ROFL, Jack -- a traveling hooker by the name of Princess Thigpen.

ET

"Equal time balances access to the media and offers a platform to bring other views that are unrepresented or underrepresent in broadcast media"

So the government would dictate to a radio station who, what, where, when, and how, their format would be? WOW, talk about absolute government control.

Posted by: FryDaddy | June 26, 2008 11:09 AM

I worked 10 years in radio, and it worked well. We would always use this disclaimer: "the following commentary does not necessarily reflect the views of the staff or management of KAOS Olympia Community Radio or The Evergreen State College. If you wish to provide another viewpoint, contact the operations manager at blah blah blah"

The broadcast media are the ownership of the public. "Originally contained in United States public utility law, the "public interest, convenience and necessity" provision was incorporated into the Radio Act of 1927 to become the operational standard for broadcast licensees."

"The obligation to serve the "public interest, convenience and necessity" is demonstrated through myriad broadcast policies. Licensing requirements, the equal-time and candidate access rules, the Fairness Doctrine and the Public Broadcasting and Cable Acts are just some examples of regulations which were implemented to safeguard the public from the possible selfish motives of broadcasters."

http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/P/htmlP/publicintere/publicintere.htm

And I disagree that it is "absolute government control" ... It is absolute control by the owners of broadcast media... which means ALL citizens of the United States.

"the problem is that "like it is" is in the opinion of Nader" Pogo

I agree.
But that's exactly what I'm talking about.
I appreciate everyone who tells it like it is. I don't have to agree with them, and often don't. That doesn't stop me from appreciating and considering their point of view.

As long as someone is not rude, then I take EVERYONE'S opinion VERY seriously. As long as I don't think they're trying to sell me something. I can like some of Nader's idea, and still not consider ever voting for him. He's says a lot that is worth listening to. Some of it yes, some of it no. But what he said about a spoiler being: a contemptuous word of political bigotry. I agree.

I'm not voting for him. But I still agree with some stuff he says.

Tom, it's a constitutional right under the federal constitution, so to avoid problems similar to the ones the DC law presented any restrcition should originate with the federal government, within the scope of the right conferred. It makes no sense whatever for one city or state, or any multiple of the same, to restrict a right embodied in the constitution. Restricting constitutional rights to address modern problems, whether local or national, is a dangerous undertaking IMHO. It has led to the DC hangun ban, FISA, the Habeus Corpus problems at Guantanamo, downloading electronic information at the borders without reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing or warrants, and the Fairness Doctrine, to name just a few misguided attempts to protect us. Don't misunderstand me - I think that from one perspective or another, each of these efforts has originated in well meaning people with good intentions. That is not enough.

And I disagree that it is "absolute government control" ... It is absolute control by the owners of broadcast media... which means ALL citizens of the United States.

So when Air-America went bankrupt, that was the citizen essentially saying "we don't like your format". Correct? No listeners, no sponsors, no revenues = a failing format. Now if they included Rush's show, even only as repeat of his afternoon show, they might have pick some listeners.

"He's nothing more than a rambling old fool and in election where McCain is also running that's one rambling old fool too many"

Which is pretty much how you feel about the whole human race. I rarely read your posts, and when I make the mistake of doing so, i always regret it.

"I would have described Bill as a "skirt-chasing" instead of a "shirt-chasing"."

HA!

chloe, like I said, Nader deserves credit for saying it like it is as he sees it in a forum where such a postiion is uncommon at best. And his pronouncements do stimulate discussion.

"gordo copied this from the Globe, "analyzed the shirt-chasing Democrat's health problems" I would have described Bill as a "skirt-chasing" instead of a "shirt-chasing". But that is just me.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Posted by: yo soy Horsedooty! Author Profile Page | June 26, 2008 11:04 AM"
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"... analyzed the shirt-chasing Democrat's health problems and wild lifestyle in an exclusive study."

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lil GORDO is not GORDO

Dooty,

Having always been a breast man over a leg man when ordering at KFC, or scanning passersby, I think it's okay to extrapolate Bill Clinton as a shirt man were he to be similarly predisposed...

So when Air-America went bankrupt, that was the citizen essentially saying "we don't like your format". Correct? No listeners, no sponsors, no revenues = a failing format. Now if they included Rush's show, even only as repeat of his afternoon show, they might have pick some listeners.

Posted by: FryDaddy | June 26, 2008 11:26 AM

If you don't like the charter of broadcast media, bring it up with the FCC. It's mostly the Repugs who do.

Tom, I suggest that there is little legitimate distinction between broadcast media and other media - specifically at this point cable and internet, other than when they were developed as technologies. As the internet continues to develop, at what point will our goverrnment decide that it, like the airwaves - which btw will cease to be accessed -at least in the TV context - other than digitally next year - is owned by all the people? And bear in mind, that I am not talking about the infrastructure for the technologies - that is not owned by the public even in the radio/television context.

wow thanks for all the propane advice, that propane taxi suggest by Bill in DC sounds like a good solution. but now that handguns are coming to DC, maybe i need all the propane i can get

Craig,

Is there a sense of foreboding there on the ground in DC this morning?

Pogo
Thanks for the link. There is an outfit in SF that rents scooters (for a much lower price) and I have gone on a "Scooter Day." Although due to the helmet...(and other factors) absolutely no resemblence to Audrey Hepburn...but maybe in Rome?

Ralph Nadir gak and his egomaniac running mate Matt Gonzales. When Ralphie boy wrote the patronizing and insulting book on what makes a good parent, I knew he was a long way from the icon of the public intest research groups.

Nadir said some pretty nasty things about Obama during the primary so this latest volley is just more of the same.

Pogo said in his 11:25 AM:

"Tom, it's a constitutional right under the federal constitution..."

And, finally the Court addressed the (fallacious) contention that what the Founders' intended was that the arms could be held solely for use in the organized government-sponsored militias, e.g., the National Guard and similar organizations.

Pogo says it somewhat differently, but what I hear him saying is, if you think the Constitution's provisions so out of touch with modern realities, then you must amend that scripture, not write laws or make decrees, circumventing it.

I have just started looking at the decision; I think it is going to be compelling.
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf

'I rarely read your posts, and when I make the mistake of doing so, i always regret it.'

lol@chloe

Don't know who the target of that comment was, but that is some pretty funny stuff!

Bear and Patsi and lil Gordo,

I am not making a distinction here. I contend it was a typo. I have no actual knowledge of Bill's particular interest in the opposite sex. I just thought it was funny.

I once found a typo in a Denton, TX paper when I was in college. It was for a dry cleaners advert. It stated that you could get 3 short sleeve shits cleaned for a dollar. I wish I still had that paper.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Flatus: Compelling for all the wrong reasons. The decision will open the door for NRA nuts to challenge very gun ban in the nation. More proof, as if we needed any, that the Supreme Court should be revamped - no more lifetime tenure for political ideologues.

As I have posted previously,

My Godfather was in the same Harvard Law School class as Ralph Nader. He mentioned the following to me that always stuck:

* Ralph Nader graduated at the bottom of his class. On graduation day, my uncle kicked in $5 to the pot that is always collected for the person at bottom of the group. I think Ralph left campus with an extra $150 that day.

* Nader was quiet but considered by his classmates to be a bit aloof.

* He was a perceptive person. While working on his expose against GM's Corvair, GM sought to discredit Nader with a sex scandal. My uncle said that while Nader was never overt in his sexuality, it was easy to figure out that he did not like women. So it was easy for Nader to figure out that GM was up to something when a steady stream of female escorts tried to seduce him to no avail. This btw, is a reason why my uncle refused to by a GM vehicle for the last 40 years of his life. He rationalized that if they couldn't figure out something like that, when it was pretty obvious, lord knows what details were being missed in the cars...

Health care will be made available to all American, but it is not going to be free, there will be a price tag attached to it. If it is like the Feds health plan expect that price tag to range from $250 to $500 plus a month.

Bear: That's a really interesting post

One question I have about gun laws...

* If the right's opinion is that people should have unfettered access to fire arms

* That all citizens be allowed to carry concealed firearms in all public places

How can they then justify people being disarmed if they are going to a public event, featuring a public official, whether it be a member of Congress or the President?

How can they then justify people being disarmed if they are going to a public event, featuring a public official, whether it be a member of Congress or the President?

I think that is up to the individual state. Here in NC you can't walk into a bank with a concealed weapon even if you have a concealed weapons permit. Like wise you can enter a bar, church, school, or any place that post concealed weapons are not allowed on the premises. Of course criminals rarely abide by laws, or requests.

flatus, that's the logical extension of what I was saying. Frankly, all of this shit meddling with and restricting rights conferred byt the constitution and its amendments scares me to death. BTW. thanks for linking the decision.

ol@chloe
Don't know who the target of that comment was, but that is some pretty funny stuff!
Posted by: FryDaddy Author Profile Page | June 26, 2008 11:47

Sorry Fry, that comment was to Briennyc

" I just thought it was funny."

I also thought it was a funny typo....and LOVE the short sleeved shits ad!

Good stuff on Nader, Bear. An extra $150....ha!

Chloe,

Even funnier. ;-)

NEW THREAD

Bear, the court has stated in numerous opinions that rights are not absolute, and the states can impose reasonable restrictions on rights so long as they don't legislate the rights out of existence. The rub is that the court gets to determine whether a restriction is reasonable. The "bear arms" part of the right would lead to your conclusion. The court would not likely agree that restrictions against carrying concealed weapons are unreasonable in many instances.

Chloe,

Agree - Imus's show remains the best venue for Craig...except for this one, of course.

I thought Imus was hypocritical with Craig this morning in his judgment of Bill's "racism." You'd think Imus would know as well as anyone the results of having one's words removed from context ...but then he's blinded by his irrational hatred of the Clintons which harms himself as much as it does them. What goes around comes around. I'm glad Craig stood up for Bill. It's too easy these days to slap a label of racism on anything. A treatise on real racism is in order.

Waddabout my right to keep and bear nukes?

Not just for sporting purposes, but also as a check on those power-hungry gummint goons who might want to read my emails w/o a warrant.

If you don't support my right to pack Abombs, when I am shopping at Goody's, you are squishy soft on the 2d Amendment, and a threat to Our Nation's Freedom.

Hi everyone! I just got in from having a wonderful time at the Smithsonian Folklife Festival. Great fun for all the DC area Crawdads.

Chloe -- That was me in the four-inch heels trotting through the airport after Uncle Ralphie. It really wasn't a conversation as much as a pronouncement of his that I need to find better shoes if I'm going to be going places in life. After that I just kept skittering alongside until we reached the car. Then he got into the back seat of the mid-sized sedan with shoulder-harnesses for all passengers (a requirement in his speaking contract) and fell asleep.

Another memorable moment with Ralph also had to do with shoes-- maybe he's got a fetish. Anyway, we were all hanging around the Nader empire offices in the Carnegie Building just off Dupont Circle in DC. Ralph ambles in and starts chatting about the problems with our disposable society. He starts talking about his footwear. He points out that th shoes he wears were purchased when he was in the Army, several decades before. They are regulation Army shoes -- plain black. He wears these with the black Army socks that he also purchased when he was in the Army. He said that as a young soldier he was so impressed with the quality of the shoes and socks that he made a point to make a bulk purchase of them at the and of his enlistment. He bought 12 pair of the shoes and 36 pair of the socks. Thirty years later (at the time of the conversation), he said he had gone through most of the socks, but he still had a few pairs of shoes left, which he keeps getting resoled, so he figured he would not have to buy shoes for the rest of his life.

Okay -- now I'm off again to a meeting. See y'all later!

I missed Craig on Imus this week however Imus really gets under my skin when it comes to the Clintons. What Imus did at that Press dinner was really unforgivable. Even for comics there are boundaries and how cruel with Hillary sitting there to reference Bill's infidelities. After that the relationship cooled. I appreciate that Imus has been good to Craig and that is good. Craig, as always has been very loyal to Imus even through his"troubles." I just wish Imus was a little more charitable when it comes to the Clintons.