Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Craig,

I remember well when you were a regular guest on
Paul Alexander & John Batchelor's radio show.

You have just gotten better with age.

By the way, I just realized that humor is lost here....burrito, the scotch and tonic was a joke from an old movie......

Craig -- that's fascinating! It makes you wonder why Rove hasn't been called out for his temper before....

Patsi, aside from all the talk going on around here, may I ask did you also write a book about tony orlando.

Craig glad you escaped the wrath of Rove unscathed. I have a feeling come this time next year Mr. Rove may be looking at some time behind bars. Lets hope he gets a big ugly angry cellmate.

Also, based on the Examiner Review, wonder if Paul Alexander will get to "sell" his book on FOX, since Karl Rove is now in residence there

"Patsi, aside from all the talk going on around here, may I ask did you also write a book about tony orlando."

I wrote his autobiography with him. I know many consider him tragically unhip, but his musical history spans the time from teen idols/Brill Building to 70s singles driven pop....if you are into music history, he's an interesting guy.

Thanks Patsi, & yes the history of music (well NYC
based old time R& R, doo-wap, & the "girl groups" )
have always been of interest. I think I remember an early Orlando song - "Bless You" long before the
yellow ribbon or his tv show.

I might be wrong on this, but isn't he now a big supporter of Bush's war?

Wouldn't know that, I believe he has a theater in
Branson Missouri? though.

As Jamie intuitively stated I am one of those officially on vacation from all politics--have let go any anger, disappointment , whatever & stepped back to wait & see what I decide to do come November.

We want to know Rove's role in the framing of our governor (Siegelman). Don't expect us to believe it was none.

Coreen -- I'm glad you recall "Bless You" -- it was the first hit that Barry Mann and Cynthia Weil wrote together. And Tony always sang it for his little sister, Rhonda, who had CP. As a kid, he often stayed up with her most of the night with her singing because it calmed her and helped keep her from going into spasms from the CP. He really is a good man.

Coreen:

I'm staying in that same resort as you. Close enough to know what's going on in the world, but far enough away to not really care. I might check out their late season fall rates and extend my stay.

And Brian....I doubt Tony is a big hawk. I haven't talked to him in several years. He did, however, piss off some of his liberal friends -- Freddie Prinz for one -- because despite being a longtime Democrat he ended up supporting Gerald Ford . It happened after Tony met Ford, confronted him about his Nixon pardon, then stayed and talked to him for about an hour as to the reasons Ford believed he had to do it. Tony liked his candor. More importantly, Tony met and absolutely adored Betty Ford -- a force of nature if there ever was one.

And Machiavelli appears, yet again.

Interesting story, Craig.

tt

ROFL to Coreen and Ivy's vacation mode....I understand. I stayed at the vacation spa throughout the Reagan years. Never even watched the news unless I absolutely had to.

During an interview with Sen. John McCain on Monday's NBC Nightly News, Brian Williams noted that "the videotape clip of your comment about being in Iraq 100 years if need be, of course, is still kicking around," and then asked, "[G]iven your support for the surge and where you believe this nation is in Iraq today, where do you see it going and will your support be there for however many U.S. troops are required?"

McCain answered flatly: "Yes. And the fact is we are winning in Iraq."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/10/mccain-again-pledges-to-s_n_106195.html

You McCain supporters should feel very proud of yourselves.

Larry Johnson on John Batchelor's Radio Show (ABC)

Johnson discusses some of what he knows about the MO video.

http://www.johnbatchelorshow.com/lib/jbs_on_demand/batchelor_this_week/hr%5F%2323%2Emp3

You do nothing for your candidate by trying to browbeat people Brian. NOTHING. And in spite of the fact that I don't like McCain's politics, I understand that he went through a helluva lot for this country. You or I would have made it about fifteen seconds.

But the larger issue is this: I don't know what Obama really plans to do about this Middle East clusterfu%k. He may -- just may -- feel behind the eight ball and vote present once again.

God, Gordo -- give it UP! There are questions about this whole campaign and about our nominee, but whether Michelle Obama is a racist (and I am sure she is) is not one that matters to me.

Patsi you're a disgrace, now you're attacking me for attacking McCain's war policies? His service is not an issue, as much as you and the rest of the repugs want to use it to divert from his policies.

Patsi you've suck to a new low, interesting that today's trailmix is about Karl Rove, must be a cozy fit for you Patsi. Shame on you.

Patsi -------------------------

This has the real potential of forcing BO out. The MO video has been described as jaw-dropping, devastating and stunning.

Brian -- you are too obtuse to even speak to. You continually flap on and on about people being "repugs" -- yet I seriously doubt you ever did a damn thing for the party or anyone the party even supposedly cared about. And you couldn't care less about the reality of how this election was determined.

LOL Patsi-

I knew when I read your post this morning about your past work, Brian was going to google that and play Mr. Sherlock Holmes. He probably got out a special hat and pipe for the affair.

Patsi -------------------------

This has the real potential of forcing BO out. The MO video has been described as jaw-dropping, devastating and stunning.

Posted by: GORDO | June 10, 2008 1:58 AM

...Sure that wasn't the review for the new Indiana Jones movie , Gordo?

Patsi you're a disgrace of a human being, I'm going to bed, why don't you find a rafter to hang from like the rest of the crazy old bats.

Here is what I just cannot understand. People screaming over and over that Iraq is the big issue.

Well a big DUH to that! I was screaming -- as were most on this board -- when it started. And as for the votes....well, while I never believed Bush could be trusted, I am not so frigging arrogant as to say that I fully understood at that point how the Neo-Cons were controlling the administration.

What I DID understand is that when Colin Powell said "You break it, you've bought it" he spoke the truth. George Bush has put this country in the most untenable situation imaginable. There is no easy way out of this, and if people think that just starting to pull troops out is going to work, well, I suggest they take a long hard look.

The blogger boyz seem to think we can just exit stage left. Sorry -- but if we don't play this precisely, we are creating a Middle Eastern powder keg.

The blogger crowd is so frigging ignorant that they think leaving Iraq is going to be like leaving Vietnam.

This in no way is an endorsement of McCain's ideas -- whatever they are -- or Obama's -- whatever they are.

If some of you want to know one of the biggest reasons I am pissed it is this: we had a chance to have one person in the White House, Hillary Clinton, who just might have maneuvered us out of Iraq and restored this country. Now, we are screwed now matter who wins this general election. It is ruly a choice between your favorite Menendez brother.

"Going to work" for what? What is the goal? Just get our boys back home and let Israel fight its own wars.

Craig, quite a story...I clicked onto The Examiner review and had to laugh...comparing your remembrances with the ridiculous 2007 "MC Rove" dance.
I chuckled hard to read Rove got the ax in church, because Rove resembles a local preacher here in town.
This gang CAN provide us with a few laughs along the way, even though it's damn hard to get past all the death they have rained down onto Iraq.
Here's an opinion I have been forming: Most people I know accept the Holocaust as fact; those same folks hold Holocaust Deniers in low, scathing esteem.
So now, as the election nears, I keep running into arguments about the impact Bush's war has had on the Iraqi civilian population. We've all seen the varying numbers, and I am not here to copy charts and the like, but to point out that I believe that those people who seem to think there have only been a few hundred Iraqi civilian casualities all together since Shock and Awe, are JUST AS BAD as Holocaust Deniers.
McCain has supported this kiling all along and he has plans to re-vamp the plan and keep us there in one way, one role or another, for as long as he has any influence.
Obama is a hawk, too, but not like McCain! McCain is DERANGED as was/is Bush Junior (there ya go, Craig!).
Y'know? We had to live through Reagan Democrats (like Jim Webb) once before. It would just be a shame if it turns out to be McCain pulls it off like Reagan did, swaying the Reagan Democrat-types , and winning because of that.

Champ -- it's obvious you have no clue about what we've done and what we are leaving over there. Have you ever taken one history class? This is not about whether this illegal and immoral war should have happened. Obviously this country has blood on its hands. But we better know what the hell we're doing now, or we will rue the day.

Why don't you educate me, Patsi...

Good Morning.....

Yup!

It is that time again.
Some people just need to denigrate and belittle others, as their last grasp to get some comfort in their fading solace....
Get a life.
You do not have to insult a human being ( even if it is a virtual human) to get your point across. If the person does not see eye to eye with you...whatever...

The more we do this, the more we alienate eachother in voting for the other candidate.
Someone said we need a democrat in the whitehouse...well it is not going to happen if people keep biting one another...

Dyeezzzzz
get a life out there....

On another note.
Has anyone seen/obtained the blueprint to the $ 50 bn package Obama is referring to?
I need the information, seen as I am hearing that the repubs are going to have a field day with it.

patsi: Hillary Clinton had five major time frames to challenge Bush on Iraq and admit her vote to empower Bush's charge into Iraq was wrong. Frank Rich wrote a detailed column on this last year.
She is a hawk, and she was not going to get us out of Iraq like she vaguely promised. She, Biden, Obama...all were and are for the keeping of the US flame in Iraq.
You favor keeping US troops there anyway, and you are against a cut-and -run.
Keeping US troops in Iraq just makes it worse. It generally gets worse all the time as it is. Surges, McCain's phony photo-ops...but eh US has mucked up the entire region.
We've done enough there and must leave. If you believe we must stay there for reasons you believe in, fine, but how d you think all the billions it will cost are going to get paid?
Do you think Iraqi oil will suddenly start showing us a profit margin for "installing Democracy in The Region?"
Nope, it's long past the time to leave, and leave we should.
Actually, there's no sense arguing all this...we ain't leaving no way...Obama wants to punish Iran one way or another as he clearly has shown with that speech to AIPAC last week.
Bush really started something, didn't he?
So when you write you want troops to stay and I want them to leave, you win, nd I am just "bumpin' my gums", as Ol' Dizzy Dean used to say.
Vietnam's doing Ok, right? I have a friend who is a generation younger that me and he married a Vietnamese lady and is there now for a family wedding...he reports Vietrnam is doing fine.
Remember what we were told were happen if and when we left Vietnam? Bloodbath was the word used mostly.
The truth is , we have no business destroying a country and then saying it will get worse if we leave...what bullshit! It was better before we destroyed it in the first place, even with Saddam and sons.

How is the heat wave treating everyone in the US

Here in Amsterdam it is about 25C.

Last night Holland scored a magnificent 3 - 0 victory over world champions Italy, everyone went berserk (in the good sense of the word).. They are still partying, although it is allready nine in the morning....

With regard to Iraq...

I cannot believe that people think that we can pull out of Iraq in an instant.
We are there and made a mess out of it. We just cannot simply pack up and leave.. Everyone who believes that, needs to really start thinking about the debt we owe to people if we leave the country in the state that it is........

We don't owe them shit. I'm sure they've had enough of our 'generosity' anyhow.

YOU don´t owe them

My country owes them for going there and DESTROYING everything they had.
We OWE them because, my dumb ass, egotistical president went there and enforced a war that will never ever be finished. A war that was senseless, baseless and was full of lies......

We made our bed, so we now must f....... lie in it!

Excuse my language.....

Patsi,

I have your back.

I agree with all you wrote above. As one of the old
bats, (43 and not using a cane, yet,) younger than Obama, I might add, I support you. (I don't think either of us look all that senile in our photos on the Trail Mix video).

Brian constantly uses ageism to attack Hillary women, just as Camp Obama uses it and misogyny--two more reasons I want nothing to do with Obama and his group of Huffington posters who seem to represent a new age of hypocrisy.

We don't owe them shit???? Jesus, Mary and Joseph! WE owe them a SHIT LOAD. We've bombed them back into the stone age in many areas. We cannot screw this exit up. And if anyone thinks we can just say "oops" and stroll on back to Starbucks...well, that's the arrogant American mentality that got us in there in the first place.

People like Brian keep threatening others that "blood will be on your hands." Well, sports fans, the blood is already there. And we have to recognize that thousands of Iraqis may die depending on how we handle our exit.

This is not an endorsement of either candidate. It is just the damned truth.

And what exactly are we going to do for them, Jay? If we stay there long enough, do you think they will suddenly see the light, embrace democracy, Shia hugging Sunni, and there will be a big song and dance number? Ain't going to happen.

Let Syria, Turkey, and Iran clean up our mess. We might as well go back into the old playbook and re-install another despot.

73 years ago, in Akron, Dr. Bob drank the last of four bottles of beer and was able to perform surgery on his patient.
That was his last drink, as he and Bill W. , a stockbroker from Brooklyn, and a drunk, carried forth an idea that has saved millions from depravity, by showing them a way to just not drink, one day at a time. This is the 73rd anniversary of Alcoholics Anonymous.

So what's your idea of an viable exit strategy, Patsi? Let me guess, you don't have one.

When will 'our commitment' to the Iraqi people end? When Iraq is peaceful and prosperous? If our country is bankrupted in the process, will it have been worth it? What if our country is bankrupted AND Iraq remains a war-zone? Would that be the best-case scenario for you?

"Let Syria, Turkey, and Iran clean up our mess. "

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Cry... it ain't funny

Champ -- If I had the exact exit strategy I would be running the country....

Okay -- too late for me....

champ, you have clear vision. Iraqi civilians want us OUT. Every TV special indicates this is true. They hate US troops being in their land.
US troops and military leaders have no intention of nation-building anyway. The military is there to destroy---meaning BLOW SHIT UP. Just look at the landscape!

You think anyone does? Are we supposed to allow our military to be decimated until someone comes up with a perfect solution, that would satisfy you and everyone else with little understanding of geo-politics?

LOL.....

Sorry...Patsi and Champ I have to laugh at the 3.32 and 3:33 responses. LMPO......

OK........back to seriousness..

Champ, do you undertsand what U are saying.
U are basicaly saying: We can bomb every country we want, and then pull out whenever we want, because we are the United Staes of America!

Champ, we do not OWN the world. We are PART of it!

Grow Up.

My parents taught me to clean up after I played.
Well....we now have to clean up, and the clean up aint pretty, but the war was also not.
We started this, we need to own up to it.

We need to show the world and ourselves (that includes our children) that we are a responsible country, not some kind of cowardly country that is doing whatever the hell it pleases.....

You think anyone does? Are we supposed to allow our military to be decimated until someone comes up with a perfect solution, that would satisfy you and everyone else with little understanding of geo-politics?

Posted by: champ | June 10, 2008 3:37 AM

I know, but we started so we gotta find a good exit strategy!
I have one......

These older folks still buy into the lies they were taught in civics and American History classes, Dex. It's not entirely their fault. They didn't have the internet to allow them to challenge their indoctrination until it was too late. To be honest, I envy them. Ignorance is bliss- and I don't mean that as an insult.

I'm not trying to come off as a know-it-all. I just know bullshit when I smell it.

CC-

After your encounter with Blossom, I hope you deloused yourself.

Lurking….

Aging Hipster

Champ, I will be 31 in July.

Do I fall in your "old" category?

WE did NOT start this war, Jason. The neo-conservative think-tank chicken-hawk scoundrels who run our country started this war. Don't forget that.

In fact, it's not even a war, because war requires a declaration from the congress.

If you support staying indefinitely, give me real solutions, or grab a gun and head over there yourself. Talk is cheap.

Champ,
LOL
I do not support staying indefiitely. damn... I am very opposed to the war.
However,
I DO NOT, CAN NOT agree with you, that we can just pull out of this WAR (in my humble definbition it is a awar) and say bluntly: FUCK YOU, WE ARE DONE!

We started it as a country, because the guy representing us and his administration started it. So it is OUR war and not just a war by a certain right or left wing..... Eventhough I oppose it and may not like the fact that we are not doing #$%& there, we cannot just up and leave.

Furthermore, i was not trained to be in the military so I cannot just pick up a gun and head over there.... It wouldn´t be a pretty sight either : ))

Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery, none but ourselves free our minds.

Have no fear for atomic energy, for none of them can stop the time.

How long shall they kill our prophets, while we stand aside and look?

Some say it's just a part of it, we've got to fulfill the book...

Bob Marley- Redemption Song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7pAvbjChQM

OK Champ....

Believe me, as an educated black man, I am trained and groomed by these anthems.....

My brother...I know

Take a good listen to this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooFnixBwBSo

YOU CAN HIDE FORM MAN, BUT NOT YOUR CONSCIENCE

This is hand in hand with the "Obama is the Devil" e-mails I get from my bumpkin buddies…..Fist Bumps...

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/generalities/this_is_a_fist_bump_86664.asp#more

This is normally the way i wish opponents good luck before we tip off a game. Some of these cable Tv people have A problem with babbling……Where does the Right Wing get this kind of stuff????

Lurking
Hipster

I've never killed anyone.

I'm diggin' the Buju, though.

LOL

This is too ridiculous.

The fistbump is old and tired. It is amazing to see how out of time people indeed are.
Here in Holland the fist is very old. And it is a bump that goes back to the heart....
You bump one person on the fist and than take that fist to your heart. The meaning is : RESPECT.
But it is a man thing, I have to be honest. You do not do it with a woman.
In Holland we call it : "the Box"

I nominate the picture at the top of that mediabistro article, "The Gayest Fist Bump, Ever."

"Had I courted Rove as a source, as so many of my colleagues did..."

Craig,

I'd be VERY interested to learn how that process works. Pray tell.

My god, I can't believe I. posting at this time 2;45 am out here.

I was reading and realized I had promised to hunt down some books, and having found them, decided to see if any of you were alive and kicking and commenting - HA! So I'm a slow learner.

Books I'm hunting? ' Log of the Sea of Cortez' by, of all people, John Steinbeck. Also 'Into a Deser Place' by a Brit named Graham MacIntosh. Not for me - for my brother-in-law for Father's Day. He's such a winner tghat it's fun to pamper him.

What was all this shit re the early morning people being pleasant?

Hey, champ - I'm one of those older folk . I'll be 66 on .12/26 . Am I the oldest? Believe me, we learned to challenge - where do you think Mario Savio came from? Also, since you weren't there, how do you know what we were taught? Further, I don't see a lot of the youngsters questioning Obama - in fact, they (you) believe everything he promises.........the 4th biggest lie.

I am officially a member of P.U.M.A.(Party Unity My Ass)

check it out...

http://www.justsaynodeal.com/

LOL
LushLinda.. I joined.

But seen as I am not longer a democrat, don´t know if that is honest.

YAY Jason!!

NObama '08
Clinton/Obama '12

I guess I should add to my siggy

Obama/?? '20 8~)

Ok, my statement regarding 'the older folks' and indoctrination was arrogant, ignorant, and unfounded. We stand on the shoulders of giants, indeed. Unfortunately, we also lie underneath the boot of them, too.

Your statement, Beth, "- in fact, they (you) believe everything he promises", is unfounded also. Don't assume what I believe. I am as suspicious of the Obama phenomenon (Obamamenon, copyright me) as you are, if not more so, and have referred to the cult-of-personality that has developed around him frequently in my posts here.

I'm sure you got a better education than the majority of kids these days do. Kids in public schools are just trained to take tests these days, and when they go home they are bombarded with all sorts of distractions. I hope that as a population we are not getting stupider, but only time will tell, I suppose.

Ok, my statement regarding 'the older folks' and indoctrination was arrogant, ignorant, and unfounded. We stand on the shoulders of giants, indeed.

Posted by: champ | June 10, 2008 6:51 AM

This.... to me......is maturity!

Props Champ.....

guess I should add to my siggy

Obama/?? '20 8~)

Posted by: LushIsLinda

I continuously hear the name of Sebelius being mentioned..... I guess Judas will be left out. Maybe he will be another secretary of energy or the new secretary of state. Who knows.....

Jason--I am talkin' Obama in 2020...not this year 8~)

Champ--how old are you? define "older folks". 8~(

NObama '08
Clinton/Obama '12
Obama/?? '20

matt taibbi coming up on imus........

matt taibbi......THE GREAT DERANGEMENT about joining the church of the great goober Hagee, and also about the 9/11 conspiracy folks.........

2020?

LMPO...... Sorry, this is a new one.... LOL

uh......how do you stand on the shoulders of giants, and also be under their boots at the same time?

oh lordy...it is 78 degrees(in NoVA) already!! It's going to be another scorcher today!!

I don't know what we would do without some of the people here , although I'd be willing to find out.

Linda,
It is 27C in Amsterdam....If it becomes 30 degrees we are not allowed to work anymore. LOL. At the moment everyone is trying to get the meteorological team to declare 30C.......

Good luck guys..... in the USA

Corey........roger that......110%

Well, that would've prompted me to call him nothing but "Jr." from then on. Junior, Junior, Junior!

I think it is safe to assume that, at this point, Bush Senior is the one who would like to distance himself from Junior.

27C????what's that about 80 degrees?????

I turn off MY AC when it is that temp!!!

When I lived in Saudi Arabia...sometimes it got up to 130-135, but it was so dry, that it didn't even seem too hot.

You know what "they" say..."it's not the heat. it's the humidity"...yuck!!

LushisLinda,

I think I'll be joining PUMA, too.

YAY prof marcia!!

Patsi, I know you'll be sleeping-in this morning, but I just read the early morning comments. Thanks for your willingness to jump in an commit to doing things responsibly as we leave Iraq.

You're a wonderful advocate for thoughtful, reflective governance.

For decades Israel has acted as our military proxy in the Middle East. They've been shedding their blood doing what we've asked them to do. A lot of this is because they share our grave concern over the most extreme radicals in the region; but, they are also recognizing our support of their dream back in 1947 by being loyal to us, often, I'm sure, even when it's against their better judgment.

Walking out leaves Israel, Jordan, Egypt and a potentially productive Iraq, along with others, in untenable positions.

I can't believe how out of touch Chuck Todd & Andrea Mitchell are with regard to Hil'ry supporters getting behind BO. They really are out of touch. (Silly, emotional women. Don't worry, they'll calm down before November.)

Ya know what won't happen before November? BO will not prove himself to be any more capable of leading this nation in a positive direction. What will happen before November? The GOP will bring out all of the stuff that the MSM suppressed during the primary season & BO will lose.

The only thing needed is a cohesive voting plan for Americans who are not far left or far right; the end of two-party reign. Now that would be real change.

Larry Johnson on John Batchelor's Radio Show (ABC)

Johnson discusses some of what he knows about the MO video.

http://www.johnbatchelorshow.com/lib/jbs_on_demand/batchelor_this_week/hr%5F%2323%2Emp3

Posted by: GORDO | June 10, 2008 1:44 AM

Well,
I have listened. And I do agree that IF such a tape exists, and do take notice: IF.... It will be launched after the convention. They need to be sure that HRC is out.
As of now, I will stop thinking about this thing, and discuss if and when it is released (IF it exists)

Amen , Blue!

Brian, remember back when Mr Gingrich and his revolutionaries were taking over the Congress? They all had their little Mao-like pamphlets that they waved over their heads. The books supposedly detailed exactly what the revolutionaries were going to do.

Maybe Mr Obama needs similar pamphlets. Something where he actually commits his ideas to the non-erasable medium of ink on paper.

I want him to be specific. I want him to create an audit trail of his plans for our future.

I can't believe how out of touch Chuck Todd & Andrea Mitchell are...
--blueindallas

Chuck Todd doesn't surprise me too much--he's young--hopefully as he gets older, he will become wiser...............but Mrs Greenspan should know better...at age 62 isn't she considered to be among the ranks of "silly, emotional, old, bitter women"?

blueINdallas,

You said a mouthful in your post. I'm feeling it.

I can't watch MSNBC or CNN, at the moment. If I hear one more pundit tell me that all us women will settle down in a few
weeks and vote for Obama, I'll scream. I have screamed, actually.

Media Myth:
All good Democratic Stepford women will come together by November and follow the piper Obama.

I just don't think it's gonna happen.

A few years ago when Dick DeVos ran for Governor of Michigan he supposedly had all these great ideas , especially for the Michigan economy. But he never talked specifics. When he was asked to be specific about his great ideas , he said that he didn't have to be. I think he meant: I'm not the Governor yet , so I don't have to give you specific ideas about all my great ideas and plans for Michigan. He lost the election.

mornin', all.

Nice to be mentioned by Bush's brain, no, Craig? I think turd blossom was a perfect moniker for that a-hole. Every word is just one more fart.

Well the republicans have done a bang up job of taking care of the economy -

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/business/business-markets-stocks.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

"What we have here is a market that is very nervous," said Peter Cardillo, chief market economist at Avalon Partners in New York.

"You have slower economic activity and you have inflation. I think we are in the midst of a small dose of stagflation, where the economy is limping along with higher inflation."

And we thought it couldn't get worse under Bernanke. McCain got it wrong saying that Obama sounds like he's running for Carter's second term - if he continues Bush's economic programs - and that's exactly what he's advocating isn't it - it's he who's running for Carter's second term - and Bush's 3rd at the same time. And this is who we are considering voting for? Please, think again.

"at age 62 isn't she considered to be among the ranks of "silly, emotional, old, bitter women"?"
--LIL

**according to the MSM 8~)

A most interesting article in this morning's Journal :
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121304603861058495.html?mod=pj_main_hs_coll

"HEALTH JOURNAL By MELINDA BECK
How Surgery May Affect Mental Acuity"

New Rasmussen poll:

22% of Democrats say they won't vote for Obama in November.

That stat has to be worrying Darth Axelrod. He thought as soon as
Hillary dropped out, we'd all come hurrying back to join them.

PM, Axelrod may have successfully floated a trial ballon, but only time will tell whether it's a ballon or a bubble. We should know by about mid November.

I knew there was something I liked about Billy Bob Thornton -

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/arts/entertainment-thornton.html

I just may have to check his new album out.

My thought for the day comes from the best roadside sign I've seen in awhile. A good buddy sent me a pic, but unfortunately not a link:

BEER: NOW CHEAPER THAN GAS.
DRINK, DON'T DRIVE

good morning gang....

Blue.... let me echo Corey...... AMEN!

Flatus..... Patsi is an adult..... unlike some others no matter what their chronological age.....

Craig..... phew.... you dodged a bullet with that one....
and "junior" is the perfect moniker for W..... he isn't really an adult either.....

and then there are some like Jason and Corey.... despite their youthfulness.... they have more wisdom than many twice their age.....

still bummed about Big Brown....

Patsi, just read through the overnight posts, and I have two word s for you - Fuck him. What an Asshole. Sorry, Craig.

Renee -- have you heard anything more about the Big Brown loss? Was he taken opff steoids right before the race? If so, why? And I guess I'm out of touch with the racing industry these days....didn't realize steroids were a big part of it.

pogo,

I don't believe McCain will be another Bush, even though the Obama
smear machine, who owns the media, is fond of regurgitating this propaganda constantly.

I've been a lifer Democratic so I'm no super fan of McCain, but I know the dirty politics of Count Axelrod and Camp Obama only too well after witnessing their nuclear attacks on the Clintons. As far as McCain getting some things wrong--have you counted the times Obama has been wrong in the last year? I have. He has no expertise on the economy, either.

There are many reasons I don't trust Obama. As of now, there are far fewer reasons I don't trust McCain.

It's pretty bizarre, Pogo. But the irony of bashing an old woman about the way she looks is that most of us don't give a damn about it anymore. I always felt I looked fine as a young woman...and at first, when I started aging, I was horrified. But at a certain point I just figured WTF? And, of course, as Tanya Tucker once wisely reminded me when I was whining about starting to look old, "Give it up -- you look better than you deserve to." Ha!

Typo:

I meant "lifer Democrat"

pogo correcto

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/06/karl-and-me.html#comment-100239

sturg, Professor Gadget?

LL, figures that beer achieves a level of affordability that makes me want to follow your advice just as Mrs Pogo lays down the law and tells me to lose 20 pounds this summer. (Yes, I'm whipped - totally and happily) Timing is everything I guess. Sigh.

SHOCK:

Clinton has released her delegates?????

Dang Pogo...if that was you in the picture on the video, you don't look like someone carrying an extra 20 pounds around.

Patsi...I'm writing in your name for president to be co-pres with KGC.

Patsi, my friend, it was not the bashing of your looks that I care about and commented about. It was this:

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/06/karl-and-me.html#comment-100189

And this:

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/06/karl-and-me.html#comment-100184

As I said , two words.

Oh...BTW...I've lost 13 pounds off my gut since my picture was taken last Friday. (That's right. Chopper finally jumped down to the floor.)

Patsi....
what happened to Big Brown was the topic of Diane Rehm's second hour yesterday.....
and according to all the experts on horse racing..... no one knows what really happened..... unfortunately.... the horse can't talk and tell us.....

the steroid question came up and they've been banned all over the world except for a few states in the US..... yup... the Triple Crown states....
they did start to wean Big Brown off the steroids last month.... but they said that wasn't enough time for it to make much of a difference.....

as a life long baseball fan..... I can tell you that all players go through slumps.... the best pitcher can have a horrid game..... on that particular day, they just don't have "it".....

Has anybody read Michelle's Thesis? if so what did you think of it?

Where did you hear that Clinton released her delegates? Did Edwards release his?

LL, I assume it's me - not being able to view the vid here (tonight, perhaps)- I did send Craig the only pic of me I could find, but trust me, that picture notwithstanding (and it didn''t show my gut or ass did it?), I'm carrying 20 pounds I didn't carry when I felt like jumping on my bicycle and knocking off a quick 50 miles. Now, It's a quick mile and a half, then stop for water.

Pogo...I remember those days when 50 miles was a day off! LOL.

Off to play 18 now before the thunder and lightning rolls in. Catch you all later today.

Pogo....
I see sturg seconded...... I guess I'll third it.....

sometimes it's good to say what you have to say.....

oh..... and don't tell Mrs Pogo I said this...... but..... drink the beer.....

Obama should of got a big bump after Hillary suspended but he didn't. That's not a good sign. This election is for him to win or lose. McCain's numbers should be dropping fast but he's hanging in there. Look at the map they are almost tied. We could have another race like 2000.

vad - that hasn't made the font of all political wisdom favoring Obama - HuffPo - so I say believe it when you see it. Jason, who said that?

Renee, I've actually become more of a wine drinker, but nothing tastes quite like a cold beer on a hot day. No, I have to keep Mrs. P happy because when mama ain't happyy, no one's happy.

vad, throw up a link to the map if you don't mind.

Renee, thanks - all in favor?

Hillary is urging her delegates to back Obama:

http://qconline.com/archives/qco/display.php?id=390566

I have for msnbc, abc, cbs, cnn, and fox the same boundless, deep-seated contempt i feel for halliburton and blackwater........they're all in it together......fingers on the same right hand.........i feel sick for my country that those incapable-of-shame pseudo-journalists still enjoy places of importance in broadcastism..........

and pogo......yes........sphincter is the correct part of the anatomy for that perennially adolescent scheisskopf.

If she released her delegates then it would be all over the Obama media outlets.

The next time you hear the chimpster say that the economy is really wonderful despite all appearances tothe contrary because home ownership is at a higher level than ever before...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/09/AR2008060902626.html?hpid=topnews

Ally, thanks for the link to the Clinton request to her delegates.

Vad, check that link.

sturg, I suppose he always used TP for that annoying nose dribble and those awful spit drools. He obviousloy flunked potty training.

Sorry I don't have a link for the map they were referring to in the discussion of it being tied.

But this map has Obama leading 287 to 227 with 24 tied. It's been this way for days on this site.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

I did check that site for the delegates but CNN and MSNBC are not reporting that yet.

It would be a big headline on those sites if it was true

Thanks, vad. Funny with all this talk about redrawing the electoral map, it looks remarkably like the 2000 electoral college map.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/election/map.htm

Politics of change, indeed.

Sorry,
I was busy.... :))

Here is the link:
http://qconline.com/archives/qco/display.php?id=390566

Can somebody verify.

I think it would show character if she actually did release her delegates. That would be the ultimate form of support.

Oooo,
Sorry. Ally allready posted the link...

Vad,
Who drew up that map?
I am a bit dazed at some of the calls.
Fl, and Pa , and Nv most of all......

"I have for msnbc, abc, cbs, cnn, and fox the same boundless, deep-seated contempt i feel for halliburton and blackwater........they're all in it together......fingers on the same right hand."

No kidding. And they keep right on consolidating. The power is stunning...

sturge -- I'm sure you watched in horror as Clear Channel damn near destroyed the Dixie Chicks career. I phoned radio stations the day they orchestrated the Dixie Chick CD smashing parties across the country...the song that was on the radio and pulled off was "Traveling Soldier" about a soldier who died in Vietnam. And these clowns buried it because the Chicks dared make an off-handed joke about George Bush.

What did Obama mean by the following statement:

The centerpiece of mcCain's economic plan "amounts to a full-throated endorsement of George Bush's policies".

What is full-throated, I don't think that's a good term to use!

Good morning peeps,
Well I see Grandpa Munster spent the morning defending Bush's tax cuts and NAFTA. What a visionary, what a candidate for change.

Pogo,

"And this is who we are considering voting for? Please, think again"

Right now, I have no preference between Obama & McCain, but in order to make a choice, one of them will have to earn that vote. To date, neither comes close.

Just wondering---have you by any chance read Sen. Obama's "economy" speech given yesterday?

If so, what measures, if any, were proposed that will actually assist homeowner's facing imminent foreclosure--or those with maxed out credit cards---as well as diminishing home values--not to mention the cost of putting gas in your vehicle to get to work each day--or the escalating food costs to feed
your family or the ever increasing energy costs to heat, light & air condition your home?

Style over substance continues.

Pogo,

one of my best friends (Brad Davis) is Billy Bob Thornton's co-producer and co-writer. Basically Brad does all the work on the producer end and because they use the studio that is in Billy Bob's house Billy Bob gets to put his name on it. He is the co-writer and singer in the band. Brad is the band leader of the Boxmasters. The wife and I saw the band at the House of Blues in Dallas last summer. It was a good show. They did a lot of the cover stuff they talked about in the Times article. It is a throwback guitar album so you might consider buying it. I recommend it.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Patsi and others.....

I feel you. I can have much more examples of how the media is trashing specifics.

Indeed not only in politics but also very deliberately in music. I was a deejay for years, financing my studies, I know that part as well.
Certain music was not allowed to be played. Madonna was non existent at most of Fl radiostations eventhough her career surged. Then again Mariah and Whitney were all that. This is still happening at the moment, as we speak....... How is it possible that a song is sold 1 million times but cannot get airplay on a station? Because deejays deny it the airplay...the reasoning behind it? MONEY and POWER...

Madonna and the child adoption, caused all media headlines. CNN called it an outrage and had it as a headline for weeks...Practically dospatching two journlists to Malawi. Did anyone notice or report that the case was finalized two weeks ago? Madonna was given the green light and the little boy is now officially adopted. Did CNN report this????

This crosses over to each and every discipline in the USA today. Be it politics, be it music, be it TV...be it ANYTHING. The media dictates and the people follow.....

The good thing is....People are waking up! Really. Someone said the other day that: if one thing was learned during this primary is that people have become more knowledgeable...They simply turn off the TV or the radio and find their own sources.

And that is something the big execs know. They are losing grip and they are clinging to what was...in a way that you cannot imagine...

Hmmmm, I am going too far probably....LOL :))
Anyway.....

Patsi,

Thanks for your early morning comments about things
over than politics--your knowledge of various topics
is enlightening & enjoyable. You enrich the discussions.

Some of Mrs. Clinton’s largest outstanding bills are to some of her closest advisers, who might be willing to cut her a deal. Mrs. Clinton, for example, owes nearly $5 million to the firm of her former pollster and senior strategist, Mark Penn.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/10/us/politics/10clinton.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx=1213107267-nxpOxCN4ZZtEWfPKDc6G9g

Pogo,

I just found this on Brad's website

June 19
The Late Late Show w/ Craig Ferguson
w/ Billy Bob Thornton & The Boxmasters

maybe you can stay up late and see and hear it.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Jason...

And next, they will almost certainly make an effort to control the internet(s), as it is dangerous to their grip on power if we, the people, can communicate freely, openly and honestly about what we believe them to be up to!

HD, thanks for the info. As a throwback guitar afficionado, I expect I'll appreciate it. Does BBT have a decent voice (not that that's all that important in R&R).

Coreen, I haven't read Obama's econ plan in a while - but I will. Mine's going to be a vote against more than a vote for.

Relax, liberals. You've already won

But in the last decade, even during the seven-plus years of the Bush presidency, the center of American politics has moved considerably to the left. Whether Obama or McCain wins the White House, liberalism has already won the national debate about the future of the country.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/06/10/liberals/?source=newsletter

Hey Craig, did you see I wrote that in the blog yesterday, in between my scuffles with HD?

HD, I doubt that my eyes will be cooperating by the time Ferguson's musical guests appear. Checking the old eyelids for cracks will probably be the only activity I'll be engaged in by then.

I don't know if CHAMP is still here, but I would like do dispute his statement (and what seems to be CW) that we went into Iraq because of Israel.
In testimony before Congress, in response to a question from Jesse Jackson Jr, and after the third attempt to get an answer, Paul Wolfowitz finally stated that we had to go into Iraq in order to get our bases out of Saudi Arabia.
This entire immoral and unfortunate invasion can be laid at the door of George HW Bush who did not properly instruct our representative in Baghdad before the invasion of Kuwait, who encouraged the Kurds and the southern Shia to rise up afterwards, and who accepted the responsibility of patrolling the No-Fly zones. The presence of an American Air Base in Saudi Arabia was the proximate cause of the Al Qaeda attacks, including 9/11. I believe wholeheartedly that we invaded Iraq at the behest of the Saudis who balked at us removing our military from Saudi Arabia so long as Saddam remained in power.

True HB.....

But that is where there grip is totally non existent. They grip their own websites, but not the other blogs..
Why do you think people likek perezHilton are hot?
Because they let everyone talk what they want.
Love them or hate them...the blogs are free and give information from which you can choose and make up your own mind.

When I was young CNN was everything to me. Well, I have banned that station for nearly a month now (TV and internet) and it´s good. The big guns cannot dictate anymore and that is why they get fierce and radical..... The power they once had is slipping big time.

Exhibit A: The difference in blogs on HillaryClinton.com and BarrackObama.com.......

Play the video out of this link.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/09/larry-johnson-on-john-batchelors-show/

Craig -- that's fascinating! It makes you wonder why Rove hasn't been called out for his temper before....

Posted by: Patsi | June 10, 2008 12:14 AM

Perhaps he is suffering from PTSD?

And I agree with Patsi, Jason and others ... notwithstanding that the invasion was not just wrong in terms of national interest but immoral -- to pull out on an arbitrary timetable compounds the error.
And, in fact, the folk hero of the hour, Sen Obama, through his principal foreign policy adviser has said that the speed with which troops would be pulled out would depend on the situation that obtains when he takes office and consults with the military men on the ground.

Coreen: If you are concerned about the home mortgage crisis, you might want to google the name Penny Pritzker. She is the senior financial person for Sen Obama's campaign and has a rather troubling history with subprime lending.

Mrs. Clinton, for example, owes nearly $5 million to the firm of her former pollster and senior strategist, Mark Penn.

_ Posted by Brain

Jesus Mary of God, what a twit he was. If I were Mark Penn I would be EMBARRASSED by how I acted with colleagues and how I screwed over the campaign time and again with bad advice that hurt her chances. In fact, if I were Mark Penn, I'd not only mark this one "gratis", I'd pay HERE for malfeasance !! I suppose the lawyerly types can tell me if there is such a reason.

Tom

Brian: You mentioned that McCain supports NAFTA. If you do some googling, you will find that Sen Obama has called himself a free trader, that he is in favor of fast track authority and that he was the 60th vote against a move to attempt to add more stringent labor and environmental standards to existing trade agreements.

EuroTom: I doubt that Penn could be successfully sued for campaign malfeasance, but if I were him I sure wouldn't go around writing Op-Ed pieces about what went wrong .... or, if I did, it would be one short sentence...I screwed up.

Coreen, I read the plan for homeowners in imminent danger of losing their homes - it sounds like it could help - I question whether congress would pass it, but it sounds like it could provide some relief if it did pass. Some of the underlying assumptions don't ring tru, though - for instance the assertion that mostly the rich get to take the home mortgage deduction because they are the ones who itemize, while that sounds like it would be true, above an income of $50,000, 58% and up itemize, and just under 18% of those making less than $50,000 itemize, probably because of the mortgage deduction since it is the single largest deduction most tax filers can take advantage of.

Yup,
That was "Monster" Samatha Power. LOL....

I am off... have an appointment with my banker... will be back again.

xoxoxoxoxoxox

Brian you are so mean, but you ARE witty. I have been laughing about the comment "Did your Mother drink a lot"?

Mean, but fair enough ! :-D

Thanks Maggi, I know of Ms. Pritzker's ties to the
subprime mortgage creation & its aftermath through Superior Bank.

But my concerns are directed to specific current daily problems facing my clients who are undergoing financial meltdown right now. And there are limited solutions to their problems.

mornin' maggs, keep the pressure on.

Coreen, the problem with any plan by Obama or McCain (I just threw McCain in for grins) is that nothig they propose will do anything until about a year from now - which will be too late for many people caught up in the escalating mortgage rates of the subprimes (ironic in the face of incredibly low rates in the prime dontcha think?)

Barack Obama Condones Coordinated Internet Harassment by his Thugs

"The idea here is to turn the internet into a constant Pro Obama "echo". This includes going where people who do not support Obama are. It also included driving all Hillary supporters away from presumably "objective" sites until the sites become All Obama All The Time.

The most recent example of Obama-Planned onslaught was seen yesterday, when many established bloggers' and message board users' names and their links ... were nearly simultaneously forged in messages on forums and blogs all over the net."

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com/2008/06/barack-obama-condones-coordinated.html

Coreen: Since you are apparently in the industry, so to speak, do you have any ideas of your own? Or do you see anyone with good ideas to help those already in trouble? Obviously we need more regulation going forward and both candidates believe in regulating the marketplace. But, what can be done now? Did Hillary's idea of bloc grant