Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

I'm glad her trip was memorable ...

viv

opps, clicked the button before i was done .. that's what i get for being up all night ... I think Hillary looked so beautiful up there ...

viv

wow, unity did not last long in these parts.

Viv, i know that's one of our 7 Acceptable Insults, but it's a progressive list and that one is dead last

Encouraging, tho, that you say "won't address him again" -- Good choice for others too, if that's the sort of stuff they're inclined to write

Not a pleasant way to start a thread, at all

Hillary was wonderful and did look beautiful. Most commentators approved of her performance however she is being watched so closely that it is ridiculous. Heaven help her if she slips in any way. Bill of course is taking an enormous beating. The Clintons just can not win with the media.

" I doubt this pilot will be picked up as a series. "

ROFL, Marcia.

"Viv, an appropriate use of Lardo's rule #7"

I agree -- this is the perfect way to start the thread.

Oh MY GOD! A woman on C-Span is saying that the Clintons are now controlling Obama. She says that they are making him keep "people of color" out of his televised shots, blaming the Muslim mess on the Clintons, and also saying his move to the right is controlled by Bill and Hill.

Un-freaking-believably stupid.

I bet you feel better, Viv, rage helps kick in the endorphins. Your comment helped me get off to a smiling start this morning.

Craig, if you think unity is here...

There was one class act speaking yesterday afternoon.

When the campaigns started most people I know thought that a person of color or a woman could be quite electable this year. And, if either was nominated, it would be because of merit and vision and intellect and reestablishment of American ideals as the forefront of his or her candidacy.

One candidate prevailed.

He says that Mrs Clinton did it in heels and that she proved, for his daughters, that they can aspire to anything. Yes, they can, they can aspire. But don't let them overreach.

And, they should know, Mrs Clinton can do it in any kind of shoes she damn well wants to wear.

I think if I hear one more orchestrated 'spontaneous' chant at an Obama campaign event, I'm going to puke.

And I will be sending Mrs Clinton some more dollars because she was doing my work and doing it in the name of the women and girls in my family. I owe her.

Craig, do provocations expire with a thread, or can they be carried forward?

I'm sorry, Craig, my bad. I know what you meant.

Jamie and others, a huge and fascinating news development in the world of birds. New genetic research tools will change what we thought we knew about bird classification, and will force a re-ordering of most standard field guides. It's fascinating stuff.

This story is datelined Friday, but only ran in my paper this morning. It was buried on page A2:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-birds-frijun27,0,5786768.story

Craig...I can't believe you're up this early on a Saturday. Did you lock yourself out of the house or something?

Thanks for the url, Lard.

I remember shortly after arriving in Panama, my host said, "Wow, did you see that parrot fly by?" Of course, I didn't. I don't believe I've ever identified a parrot (or a falcon) in flight.

But, I'm not at all surprised that that two species may be closely related.

I suspect most field guides will continue basing identification on 'converged' characteristics simply because it makes life easier for birders.

actually, Lard, i had to get up and put bandaids on my burned fingers. grabbed a hot skillet last night while cooking too many things at once. decided to get up and redress the wounds. but i am down to only the goofy shaped bandaids that you never use, gotta go to the 7-eleven now and get some normal ones. these assortment boxes are so annoying

Ouch. I've been there, so I sympathize.

Morning Craig-
Thanks for the cross post-, because I could not post my photos here. t was fun to be a trailspotter again-

Patsi I hear the woman on c-span this morning calling Barack a sell out- and criticized the lack of blacks- I think I saw maybe 4 or so at the event who were not with the press/campaign. She has said that at previous NH events there were always some- I can't stress this was very rural, western NH- the audience make up would have been considerably different in one of the cities.

What I noticed, perhaps in my two hour wait for them to go on, was how diverse the ages of attendees was- lots of young, but many seniors who sat beaming throughout when Hillary and Barack were together.

Also, yesterday was the first time I had ever gotten to meet Hillary. I did not have any earlier opportunity due to the nature of her events and the campaign plan- though I got to tell her about a good friend of mine (and strong supporter of hers who had been a driver for her in 91-2) who was recovering from an accident and how much he appreciated her phone call.

It was also interesting how the very few critics with signs were zeroed in on my the press.

"who had been a driver for her in 91-2) who was recovering from an accident and how much he appreciated her phone call."

Kathy, she seems unfailingly considerate of the people who work with her. I bet that's a behavior she learned as a youngster.

thanks for the report, Kathy. On posting photos, that's one reason i started the TM Facebook Group, for a place where anyone can post photos and other stuff:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=17347137146

well my wounds are re-dressed now and i'm going back to sleep

Here's a funny Gawker post from yesterday about how to survive in the rough-and-tumble world of blogs and commenting. Lots of obscure, insidery references that don't matter -- but the gist shines through and may be helpful to the daily scrum here. It's a funny set of rules. Some samples:

1. Know the sharing/oversharing divide
2. Don't write like an asshole
3. Manage your narcissism
4. Have a sense of humor

Link to the full list...

http://gawker.com/tag/not-afraid-to-be-servicey/?i=397369&t=how-to-not-storm-off-the-internet-in-a-huff

Craig's latest accident made me think about our Weber. It's not one of the great big ones, just a comfortable size for Stinky, and me, and our family.

Back to the grill. It has helped me develop a really bad habit. Because the grill's handle is designed perfectly, I don't bother looking when I grab for it. I can just imagine what's going to happen one of these days. I'm going to have to retrain myself.

Why Veeps Now Matter

.....When Harry Truman was summoned there on April 12, 1945, and told of Franklin Roosevelt's death, he did not know that the president was out of the city — he had met with him just twice in his 82 days as vice president. After Truman's first Cabinet meeting, Secretary of War Henry Stimson took him aside and told him the government was developing a weapon of enormous power. This was the first time Truman had heard about the atomic bomb.....
http://www.creators.com/opinion/michael-barone.html

Good morning

I was amazed how we all danced around the gun discussion without it turning into a flame war. That is a rare occurence on the net. I think it was because most of the people in the discussion replyed with respect for each others opinion.
I think last night we had a perfect example of how not to argue your point if your goal is to pursuade. I had more than a few issues with Viv's immigration post last night and was going to point some of them out. But, Hwsbn(He who shall be nameless) so poisoned the discussion that it wasn't worth my time and effort to comment.

Jack

reminds me of kudzu.

Your Brain Lies to You

".The brain does not simply gather and stockpile information as a computer’s hard drive does..... Even when a lie is presented with a disclaimer, people often later remember it as true....With time, this misremembering only gets worse.
... In the same way, ideas can spread by emotional selection, rather than by their factual merits,..

Consumers of news, for their part, are prone to selectively accept and remember statements that reinforce beliefs they already hold...inclined to reject evidence that disagreed with their beliefs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/27/opinion/27aamodt.html?_r=1&bl&ex=1214798400&en=93a60dcdea16e341&ei=5087%0A&oref=slogin

Crosby Stills & Nash - Teach Your Children
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6pphVs8bF0

Emulating the Man From Hope

"Republicans with a predilection for wishful thinking had been supposing that John McCain's opponent in November was going to be another Jimmy Carter or Mike Dukakis. But although Barack Obama might not have been able to get him on the phone this week, the new Messiah of Hope has been doing a passable of emulating the Man from Hope.....

Obama secured the Democratic nomination in part by disavowing the "old politics" of Bill Clinton. But the way he's begun his general election campaign shows that he's convinced that emulating the Man from Hope is the way to win in November."
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/06/obama_emulates_the_man_from_ho.html

Kathy -- Thanks for the informative post and for doing the video! It is so helpful when people actually have "boots on the ground."

"But, Hwsbn(He who shall be nameless) so poisoned the discussion that it wasn't worth my time and effort to comment. "

Jack -- You know, there are some people I have often disagreed with -- Fry, for example especially back in the day -- and we learned to fight it out, even get pretty tough....and not be downright ugly. But some who shall be nameless make that pretty hard.

I also think Craig reacted to the surprise he felt....early mornings have usually been very cordial, because some people were still in bed...ha!

LL:

Thank you for that bird article link. I hadn't realized there were so many experienced and interested birders "flocked together" on this site. Can't say I'm eager for the new field guides. It's taken me 25 years to learn the ones I'm using. National Geographic is the best, but I'm partial to my original little Golden Guide with my very first field notes in all the margins.

"Working the new results into the guidebooks that birders use could take years, but many experts said some change is likely. Such books normally take their cue from the American Ornithologists' Union, which releases an updated checklist of bird species each year."

Jack....re: guns. I have to admit that there's a quote of mine that still floats around Music Row. Once, in a rabid gun discussion at a local watering hole, I said: "Oh, I don't have anything against people shooting each other. I just hate the NRA."

Sorry to keep posting all these links, but there's so many Really good articles out there today, I can't resist.

No green pastures after Bush

George W. Bush will go back to Crawford, Texas at the end of the year. Will anyone notice? Does anyone care any more? His wings scorched from Iraq to Guantanamo, Bush already seems to be yesterday's story... The reason we should take more notice of his departure is not what his absence will make possible, but what will remain absolutely the same. Consider four examples.......

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23928383-7583,00.html

"Oh, I don't have anything against people shooting each other. I just hate the NRA."

LOL

Patsi
IMNSHO(in my not so humble opinion) I think Hwsbn and the NRA have a lot in common.

Jack

Chloe

Keep posting away. I've enjoyed all of them so far.

Jack

Good morning Lardass

It's official, I'm a research geek. Reading along enjoying all the political nattering and backbiting and then you show up with parrots and it's zippity, lickity split over to the link merrily reading away wondering what this is going to do to Darwin's finches and having to get through several paragraphs to find:

"Using birds to study evolution is nothing new—the diversity of Galapagos finches helped fuel Charles Darwin's theory of evolution. But many details of avian evolution remained a mystery, in part because the animals' light, hollow bones left few fossils."

Thanks for the diversion, I'll have to do something with it.

The regulars on my deck feeders (in order of numbers attending) are: sparrows, cardinals, doves, bluejays, chickadees and their pals the titmouse (titmice? titmouses?) -- a couple of woodpeckers who sometimes move over from the huge tree next to the house, and once in a while, some grackles and finches.

The bluejays are definitely the Republican hardliners of the feeders....bullies. But by damn those doves, when they get PO'd, can fluff up and put on quite a show. The chickadees are fabulous....they just sneak right in under the bluejays beaks and snag a bite or two.

And, of course, there are the squirrels....

In a way, I love the little bunch of unassuming sparrows the most.

Crosby Stills and Nash
played last night in Denver

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/6/28/0489/06647

I saw a brief CNN report on the unity event and their entire focus was..."Where was Bill Clinton?" Their answer was a "trip to Europe." Never mentioning, the birthday party for Nelson Mandela. The whole story was another shot at the Clintons.

I think the main stream media in general is embarrassed about their role in electing and protecting Shrub and the goopers and is now trying to rehab their image by electing the first black president.
All that drivel about the impact in the "ghetto" after Obama was named the candidate coming from the likes of Howard the duck Fineman and that gooper trophy spouse Howie "the ho" Kurtz what a lot of hooey.

"- you are really sweet. I wasn't sure anyone was reading my posts cuz I get kinda pedantic," Bethyboo

Bethyboo,
Not sweet. Just honest.
I have trouble not saying exactly what I think.

No green pastures after Bush

Chloe -- thanks for that article...very good piece.

Patsi,
What a great picture you drew of your assortment of birds.

I have a LOT of cardinals and the ever combative blue jays too. I really love the song birds - they're really noisy out here. And we have plenty of them. But unless I'm missing some of them, we don't have nearly the assortment you have. But I do really enjoy the little sparrows a lot too, when I'm out and about.

Chloe

Thanks for that Australian link. Of course since it opened with a reference to a Bruegel painting and Auden poem, I just had to go find both. (why don't American papers have that kind of writing?)

http://poetrypages.lemon8.nl/life/musee/museebeauxarts.htm

Patsi, long time ago I was sitting out on the back deck and a tufted titmouse flies over to the railing, perches there for a few seconds, then hops down to my knee. He kind of looked around, swiveling his head, trying to get his bearings.Then he looked up into my face, and completely lost his composure.

They are beautiful birds up close.

Going to a movie,
See you all later.

Don't forget the ruby-throated hummingbirds at this time of year. It's been sad to see their numbers dwindling year-after-year. Only four or five years ago, I could have fifty or more birds at once battling for feeder space. Now it's mostly one-at-a-time. When two show up and stage a fight, as happened last evening, it's a show. I could make a lame blogging or political analogy out of that image, but I won't.

"a tufted titmouse flies over to the railing, perches there for a few seconds, then hops down to my knee. "

Wow! Flatus -- how grand was that!

Long ago, when I had a huge yard, many more feeders than now and many more birds, including some indigo buntings that stayed in the trees a bit away from the feeders until the coast was clear, I started watching the chicakdees and noticed the little tufted headed biirds that seemed to be at the feeders with them. I was talking on the phone to my old college roommate and we tried to figure out what they were. Finally she looked it up in a bird book and called me back:

"The titmouse, often found in the company of chickadees."

For some reason, that wording, given our conversation, just cracked both of us up. Even now, if she and I are talking about an old college friend who is missing in action, one of us will say, "I think he is often found in the company of chickadees."

And KGC -- I think you nailed it about the press trying to make up for their Bush cheerleading by this new mission.

I hate the media. Currently number one on my enemies list is Phil Bronstein editor or something like that of the SF Chronicle with a close second a hanger on at the Press Democrat Pete Golis

They are the biggest idiots on the planet. They both repete rumors they know are false and pretend they are just exploing the issues.

Obama's Social Security Fine Print

"Last week, Barack Obama revealed his plan to shore up Social Security's shaky finances by raising the income level on which the payroll tax is applied.

Would it help Social Security's financing problems? Mr. Obama has no idea. One of his senior economic advisers admitted to me that no one on the campaign has run any detailed models or performed any rigorous analysis. When one proposes an enormous tax increase, shouldn't there at least be a spreadsheet somewhere?"

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121435112024101581.html?mod=loomia&loomia_si=t0:a31:g2:r3:c0.172855:

"Oh, the ironies. Hillary lost the nomination because many Democrats looked at her and saw a candidate who lacked a principled core, who was prepared to do almost anything to get elected president. They liked Barack better because he was a change agent.

Then just as she was engrossed in her multiple concessions, his campaign started using the same political shape-shifting that Obama had decried in the Clintons. He attacked the Supreme Court’s anti-death-penalty ruling so that he wouldn’t look soft on sexual assailants the way that Michael Dukakis did. He welcomed the court’s anti-gun-control ruling so that he wouldn’t lose the hunters’ vote like Al Gore. Public-campaign financing is for losers"
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/28/opinion/28collins.html?_r=2&ref=opinion&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

KGC, you can add Philip Gailey from the St Pete Times. Master of yellow journalism.

Craig, if you're looking over our shoulders, did you have the privilege of working with Lucy Morgan? She's worth twenty Gaileys.

And, for the record, The Times is the best newspaper in Florida.

Ivy -- what has happened to the hummingbirds? They used to fly in for my flowers a lot..now very rare to see one.

Flatus

We can get a Journalism Hall of Shame going....there are so many who qualify for entry...on the first ballot!

I love my mockingbirds, because they have so much individual personality you can almost name them and they don't take any crap off the Blue Jays. Blue Jays are definitely the Wehrmact of the bird world.

Also, growing up in Missouri I took robins for granted. They were all over the yard most of the year except the couple of months of winter. Now that I'm down here in Florida, I love it when the robins pop onto the scene in the winter. It reminds me of home.

Speaking of birds.....a friend of mine worked for Johnny Cash back when Johnny had that television show in the late 60s, early 70s. He invited the guy to come to his home in Jamaica...and one day Johnny grabbed the guy by the arm (while he was having coffee with June in the kitchen) and said, "Quick, come out to the patio." They went out, Johnny motioned for him to sit down and be quiet. The guy said all of a sudden, dozens of the most astonishingly beautiful tropical birds flew in and nested in the trees. Johnny told him they always came at the same time every day, and that he tried to make sure he was waiting for them.

I think a fascination with birds of all types is universal....

KGC

I think you need some automatic members to help keep the ballots from being overwhelmed. For starters anyone with a show on cable TV automatic members of the Hall of Shame.

Jack

Lard....Boy are you right about the mockingbirds! I saw one chase a fox across our back yard a few years ago. And the jays know those are bad boys!

Also know what you mean about robins....in Kansas they were everywhere, and now (in Tennessee) they're around but not like when I was growing up.

The Luke Bryan and Dierks Bentley concert was great last night. They closed the show with "Folsom Prison Blues" Dierks even let Luke sing the song's best line: o/' But I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die...o/'

Here's the story on last night's show:

http://blog.mlive.com/chronicle/muskegon_summer_celebration_20/

KGC
Thanks for the link to the NYT article.Sen.Obama has morphed into what he said early on he disliked,no surprise there!!! If Peggy Noonan is a journalist then put her on the Journalism Hall of Shame list right near the top.

Ah! The connection. Bee colony collapse and decreased sightings of hummers. Both have the same food source.

Jack

The first year will be a very large class.

Good bb-que info Corey -- I can almost smell it! And I am a big fan of Dierks Bentley. So thanks....

"I hate the media."

Ditto, KGC....have you checked out NOW's media Hall of Shame. It only concentrates on women's issues, though. There's FAR more to be outraged about. I'm still furious at what they did to Al Gore.

Flatus, what's behind the bee & hummingbird food decline?

In today's column, Peggy Noonan actually described Hillary as "Big Bertha" and told her to "get out of the way." It's just awful.

Patsi
Thanks for the tip about the NOW Media Hall of Shame
http://www.now.org/issues/media/hall_of_shame/

It's great. Other organizations must have them too. I'm going on a hunt.

On the bee/bird etc. The single biggest factor is human development and failure to leave any habitat in tact. Only now are local vineyards (no bee food and which have replaced vast numbers of orchards here ) bginning to leave corners and borders with plants that hhelp bees and birds survive.

Will The Media Be Fair To "Just Say No Deal" and Puma Voices This Weekend

"Organizations such as the LA Times and Newsweek have demonstrated a particular lack of fair reporting during this campaign cycle.

Newsweek and the LA Times have also made a concerted effort over the past two weeks to manipulate polling data by releasing outlier polls showing Obama with a double digit lead. The polls, which have been scrutinized by the legitimate polling organizations and a few fair media organizations, have undermined the data produced by the established and respected polling organizations such as Rasmussen and Gallup. Newsweek of course was quick to respond the questions of legitimacy by have one of their own columnists analyze the polling data and conclude that their poll was fair and accurate."

http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/06/will-media-be-fair-to-just-say-no-deal.html

Here's the Wiki on Colony collapse Disorder with some links.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colony_Collapse_Disorder

Patsi:

Ruby-throated hummingbirds are the only hummingbird in the U.S. east of the Mississippi River. They nest during our summer, then fly south to the southern hemisphere summer. In South America, their habitat is being systematically and rapidly destroyed by deforestation and development. Fewer and fewer hummingbirds return here each year. In our lifetimes, we could possibly see the extinction of hummingbirds in the eastern U.S.

I don't know if there's a relationship to the bee colony collapse. Seems to me if that was the primary issue for hummingbirds, they would be mobbing the human-supplied nectar feeders. Everybody in my neighborhood puts up feeders...they birds just aren't there.

As to "my hummingbirds," I'm convinced the same individuals show up in successive years - the ones who make it back, that is. Like clockwork on April 1 every year, there is a little red-throated fellow (males return ahead of females) peering at me through the window - even if I haven't yet put up my feeder. This year, Leap Year got him here a day early while causing me to be a day late. Sure enough, the little hoverer was there, seemingly saying, "Hey Lady, get them vittles out here now!"

It's All About Obama

"Many candidates have measured the Oval Office drapes prematurely. But Barack Obama is the first to redesign the presidential seal before the election.

The candidate's self-centeredness has been on display before.

Mr. Obama's alpha-male attitude was evident even as he stumbled towards and over the primary finish line.

Mr. McCain will be helped if he uses Mr. Obama's actions to paint his opponent as someone driven by an all-powerful instinct to look out only for himself. In a contest over who is willing to put principle above personal ambition and self-interest, John McCain, a war hero and a former POW, wins hands down. "

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121443823260805375.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Another media hall of shame
We unveiled the top contenders of the Hall of Shame on June 7 in Minneapolis during the National Conference for Media Reform.
http://www.freepress.net/node/41626

Interesting up coming events
Alliance for Community Media 2008 International Conference & Exhibition
Jul 9-Jul 12: Washington, DC

Netroots Nation Conference
Jul 17-Jul 20: Austin, TX

BlogHer Conference '08
Jul 18-Jul 20: San Francisco, CA

GORDO.

If McCain thinks that people won't look at his many flips since the 2000 campaign, he's sorely mistaken, though I think it's cute that one of his jailers in Hanoi would vote for him...I wonder if that's a torture endorsement that will be exploited by move on...

"I'm sitting in McDonald's using their Free internet service. Gotta love it. Free internet service and all drinks (even large) one dollar and bottomless. "

Doesn't get any better than that, Chloe!

Patsi, sounds like one of those little, bitty signs of a RECESSION.

Sorry I shouted.

tt

"Sure enough, the little hoverer was there, seemingly saying, "Hey Lady, get them vittles out here now!"

I can just picture it!!!!

My bluejays sit in a line on the deck rail and squawk when there's no peanuts out.

"In today's column, Peggy Noonan actually described Hillary as "Big Bertha" and told her to "get out of the way." It's just awful."

She's such a creep.

Warning: Reading the following may cause Whiplash!

(Obama's Flip Flops)

http://rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/06/rezkowatch-hotlist-062808-062908.html

Now is the time!

Obama needs to re-define McCain and/or build a substantial electoral-polling lead before the Conventions. After that, McCain has access to Federal funds with only 2 months to the finals. O's financial advantage then becomes less domineering because the focus will be on obtainable swing states and we already know that outspending an opponent 2-3-4-to 1 is not conclusive.

If the presumed critical swing-states leads for Obama is less than 10 points, we'll have a horse race (because of the un-measurable Bradley effect). Above 10, the McCain is toast!

Patsi
I nominated Peggy earlier for the Journalism Hall of Shame,now I know that creep should be number one along side her equal Dickless Morris.Sad pair feeding on hate.
Chloe
I want so many times to explode on the one who always slams the great women here,but I hold back as I know strength is there middle name and testicular fortitude like Hillary they have!!! You made me laugh with your capital F post at McDonalds. Thanks for your truth telling and shining personality.

Petty Peggums is being particularly perverse.

http://www.peggynoonan.com/main.php

Mark Twain said there were two types of Christians

Professing and Professional. Peggy seems to have moved from the first to the second group.

Jamie
Oh Yes.Its yet one more list Peggy is at the top of.Both are shameful.

Bill Clinton says Barack Obama must
‘kiss my ass’ for his support

http://dakiniland.wordpress.com/2008/06/28/bill-clinton-is-a-puma/

Way to go Bill!

Posted by: Nick | June 28, 2008 1:53 PM

If this is true, then my fond feelings for President Clinton diminishes a bit. He's a statesman and the former leader of the free world and this suggests he is acting like a spoiled child who has had his Tonka truck taken away from him. Children who behave this way often get a "time out" until they get it back together.

I understand the President's disappointment in the result of the nomination contest, but to behave so childishly diminishes him. Frankly, Bill's temperament has been particularly out of control during these recent months. We all lose our cool time to time (I do a lot). But Mr. Clinton needs to act like an adult. If he continues to act like a child, many people, including a lot of his admirers, will have a harder time taking him seriously.

I just hope this is not a true story.

Nick,

It is interesting in the Telegraph article that you linked that the one and only actual source named was right wing Joe Klein who had "heard from others". So it is at least third or fourth hand from someone who has been writing negatively about the Clintons for years often using mind reading as the means to determine what they are really thinking. For this the Times pay him a rediculously amount of money to be as nasty as possible.

i think mr clinton has earned the right to feel any damned way which may please him........

I'd like to respond to a post from maggisd; 06/27, 6:21 pm..... Remarking on the fact that Senator McCaskill was all alone on the fringes of the group... we all know , do we not that it's lonely at the top, and she's been such a vocal supporter of the prince, I think she'll be fine. I know maggisd meant the same thing I just wanted to agree.

Jane; 06/28, 7:17 am.... The Clinton's have always taken a beating from the press, which is why the "press" is so adamant that Obama be elected. They know that if Hillary won, after all their bad-mouthing there would be no access for the "press".

Nick; 06/28, 1:53 pm....... Way to go Bill is right.

Thanx for the post Nick, it's about time he told them all to FO in no uncertain terms, especially the ones(Obot campaign) who called him racist.... WAY TO GO BILL!!!!!!!!

"Bill Clinton says Barack Obama must
‘kiss my ass’ for his support

This kind of non-sourced story will come out over and over. And people like Joe Klein, a class-a weasel, will add to the meme with more unsourced crap.

But aside from that, what if he did say that in private to somebody. Good Lord, this cat trashed his presidency, had his campaign call him a racist AND started the whole damned process by asking Atlantic magazine to investigate his post-presidency sex life.

Anyone would be outraged. Tom -- do you want him to act like a wuss: "Oh, gee, the Mighty O was just playing politics with my track record....gee whiz, that's all right."

But beyond that, this is speculation. But of course, Olberman and Matthews and Blitzer can fill hours with it. I'm so sick of crap in the press that I could puke.

Yes the Reiner article was a good read. He sees the landslide coming too. People are so sick of this President that everybody but the most hard core just want to get as far away from the Republicans as they possibly can.

"Kiss My Ass" by Bill Clinton.......

For those of you who think that this is going to hurt Bill's legacy, the Obots have just lied away Bill's legacy and why should he have to be any more humiliated by these lying, conniving DNC puppets and media shills is beyond my range of thought. Think about all the things that have just slid off the Obot prince, just like he was greased? maybe the "media" should be thinking about things like that, but instead it's their access to the WH they're thinking about.....

"Could someone please forward this immediately to mr clinton......I know he's over at the Mandela's party, but he needs to be aware of the risks at stake here..........."

Yes, indeed. Mr. Smoking Dope on the corner in NYC has advice for Bill Clinton on how to remain relevant.

NOT to even mention that Obama is STILL trashing him behind closed doors -- most recently at the Congressional Black Caucus.

I am starting to think Obama cares NOTHING for the Democratic party. It's all about him.

actually it's all about chicago........

I heard it was even more. The Hollywood crowd even those loyal to the Clintons really do care about the issues and really, really loathe Bush.

Whether or not the Bill Clinton story is true, the fact is, it is in print, it is being read and it is being accepted as accurate, at least in some quarters.

So it bodes poorly for the Democrats.

Interesting article in the Washington Post about Obama's recent "centrist" behavior:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/27/AR2008062703226.html

Obama's shapeshifting must be the meme of the week.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama28-2008jun28,0,7896641.story

anonymous: It's been absolutely demoralizing for me to see Obama throw the so-called politics of change to the wind : (

i guess it will be interesting to watch how the chicago machine puts into effect the politics of change......lol

sturgeone: what's the chicago machine?

Nick

I think both of the Clintons are way to smart to allow personal feelings get in the way of political success. There may have been a storm but it probably passed quickly.

The only people who like the "sulking" meme are Republicans and professional Clinton haters.

"......I don't think this is a vote-getting move, I think it's the real Barack Obama. It's something I've pointed out since the beginning of his campaign: He is not a liberal.

He has had no clearer message in this campaign than "there are no red states, no blue states, just the United States."

For those of us who believe there is a sharp dividing line between the parties and the Republican views are unacceptable, this is a disappointment.

We do have a comfort zone with Obama though, small as it is: Health care, social security. And I think the judges he will appoint, both to the Supreme Court and our federal courts, will be far better and less right-wing than those McCain would appoint.

I don't see his candidacy as the poster child for change he's promised, but perhaps change comes in increments. And, a little bit of change is better than the status quo and regression another Republican president would bring."

Obama: better than being poked in the eye with a sharp stick.

Every time I come by and see that ending shot of the video, I can't help but think how natural it looks. They both make each other look better.

sturgeone: what's the chicago machine?

Pol of Utope............you think obama just popped up out of no where on the strength of his charisma?

lol

"Oh, I forgot--If anyone doesn't like the Clinton to Obama "kiss my ass'" link then youze can do the same to mine. I'll be showering after gardening. LOL"

HA! Go Nick!

anonymous:

Obama writes, in "Audacity of Hope":

"I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripe project their own views. As such I am bound to disappoint some, if not all of them."

I guess what I'm going through is something we can maybe call the "blank screen effect." I'm still an Obama supporter, but what pains me is that I sort of believed that he could be a reformer. Indeed, I probably projected quite a few political views onto Mr. Obama that he doesn't represent. I still have hope that he can turn things around, but his recent positions on the death penalty for child rape, the handgun decision, NAFTA, the telecom immunity, and whatnot, have left me feeling very sad.

Does he offer change from Bush? Absolutely. But that's not enough. For all the criticisms he had of Clinton's "third way" politics, it looks like we might be getting another compromised, "centrist" democrat in the white house.

He needs to stop his rapid move to the center soon, or else, though he may have my vote, he will have zapped me of all enthusiasm and hope.

I'm glad Nick did post the article...I like to know what's out there -- good, bad or indifferent.

yes, pol of Uto......why bother to think? just get in line, bud.......

key word.......Faith.

the fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one.

--GBShaw

One of the things that most impressed me about Hillary's positions was that she said these executive powers that Bush/Cheney had grabbed had to be torn into. Now, Obama has said he'll "monitor" the executive branch wiretapping. Just excellent.

He may get us out of Iraq quicker than MCain....but I don't know. I do think he will be completely guided by what he thinks looks good for him.

Nick,

It might not be politically savvy. But I sure wish Bill Clinton had told him to his face - on national television.
BO absolutely trashed Bill and definitely used the race card. Bo deserves the "kiss my ass" and more from Bill. That is not being petulant. What goes around comes around.. Bo was and always will be nothing but a phony who is not interested in the people, only his wild desire to stroke his own ego, cowtowing to the Chicago dirty tricks coalition. Yes, way to go Bill

Jamie: Totally fair point. I just think that after 8 years of Bush, we could all use a little hope and idealism. Anyway, I won't reach total freak-out mode unless Obama says, "Well, I think *some* domestic drilling is acceptable." Then I'll lose it. : )

I disagree about having a president and the house and congress all in the same party. The same applies to the democrats as the republicans. Absolute power promotes evil..
You know what scares me, the rich liberals in the legislature and congress, their wealth insulates them from the consequences of their actions.
BHo is more of a power seeker than Bush. Look what we got with a republican threesome..
We must have checks and balances. Three way is not the answer.

According to Monica, having his ass kissed is not what Bill really likes.

WHO is being bamboolized?

Could it be Obama Groupies?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuB_W8o_UsU

I was at the beach yesterday. A rock station was broadcasting from there. The djs were arguing with each other. One dj said to the other, "What the hell?!" This was broadcast over big speakers in the parking lot. I saw this older man and woman walking. The man heard them say, "What the hell?" He stopped and looked around. With disgust, he said, "Nice station." That's how offended some people get here sometimes over little things like that.

Bear......that's just amazing.......I can see the kudzu farms now...............

Anon:
"According to Monica, having his ass kissed is not what Bill really likes."

along with what percentage of male humans?

Anyone would be outraged. Tom -- do you want him to act like a wuss: "Oh, gee, the Mighty O was just playing politics with my track record....gee whiz, that's all right."

But beyond that, this is speculation. But of course, Olberman and Matthews and Blitzer can fill hours with it. I'm so sick of crap in the press that I could puke.

Posted by: Patsi | June 28, 2008 2:34 PM

It's a point I hear and understand Patsi. I couldn't just forgive and forget either, but Bill Clinton is a super politician and generally can handle these things better than the average Joe or Josette. I would expect him to feel some stings but then get out there and work for the party he helped to rebuild after YEARS of losses. No real Democrats want the Repugs to be in power again for another 4 years. We are at a defining threshold in our country. Whoever is the next President will definitely nominate one, maybe 2 or 3 candidates for the Supreme Court. What scares me is that it is the liberals that are most vulnerable: either old and ailing or (in the case of Ruth Bader Ginsberg) simply want to stop. The Republicans like to bitch and moan about "activist judiciaries" but the Repug members of the Supremes are as ideologically activist as much or more than their liberal colleagues. Bill knows this! In politics poo poo occurs. It's time for him to get up and be the fine leader he is. I have no doubt that he will ! And you are right anyway, some right wing yahoo writes this article and they choose the worse pic of Bill possible.

YUCK!

"Obama didn't have the political savvy or stones to beat McCain, now that he is showing he does you're beating him up for it. "

One of your more irritating habits is inventing positions for the opposition that were never taken. The main complaint was that he was inexperienced and lacking the plans to go with his proposals. No one ever questioned his daring or chutzpah

BTW, You probably shouldn't use the driver's license thing against Sen. Clinton since Sen. Obama made exactly the same error

I am so laughing out loud about the "ass kissing" comments.

LOL !!!!!

Thanks for the humor.

Okay, I'm off to see my Dad at the nursing home. Yesterday , they played "Hangman" in the dining room. I thought to myself, "All those years of Dad watching Wheel of Fortune are finally gonna pay off!"

As it will not be FREE, does anyone know how much $$$ BHO's health care will cost you monthly? I'm guessing based on what federal employee's pay for their heal plan, $250 to $550+ a month. BHO never said it would be free, he just said under his plan health care would be available for all Americans. Wonder what that deductible is? Oh don't want to get bogged down in details.

The press and the pundits seem to be dismissing the heartfelt feelings of Hillary's female supporters. The patronizing talk about them is disgusting.

Also, let me remind them that in addition to the women supporters of Hillary who are ticked at the Obama crowd, there are millions of men like me who are also not on the flip flop bandwagon.

DC ARREST WAS ILLEGAL IN EVERY WAY/ US Attorney for DC Ignores Law in Death Threat

http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/2008/06/28/dc-arrest-was-illegal-in-every-way-us-attorney-for-dc-ignores-law-in-death-threat/

ET,

What in the world makes you thing that it's the same party that he spent all his years working for???

I sure as hell don't think it is.

Right after BHO's health plan, will come drivers license for all illegal immigrants. Odd after spending 30 plus years in the federal government, I never once heard of a Bureau of Driver License. I always thought a drivers license were a privilege, not a right, and were issued by a state. Next I guess there will be a Bureau of Car Insurance? How about the Bureau of Free Cars?

OD,

"The press and the pundits seem to be dismissing the heartfelt feelings of Hillary's female supporters. The patronizing talk about them is disgusting."

Just the way the MSM press treated HRC throughout the whole primary. Nothing has changed.

"The patronizing talk about them is disgusting."

No kidding, OD. Patronizing and insulting.

"it's not the Clinton's party anymore, a new guard is taking over, nothing stays static, things change and evolve. "

For some bizarre reason, this seems to be the most important thing with you. Somehow sticking it to Bill Clinton. One of the great presidents of recent years, despite your idol worship of Ronnie Raygun.

And "change" -- oh, yeah...Daschle, Hart, Kennedy, Kerry.....

What other program is BHO going to institute. Ahh yes the $4,000 per year for every college student, every year in the US. Wonder if that includes illegals going to our colleges? Rough count right now there are approximately 1.7 million colleges students. Total please: $6,800,000,000 per year. Hmm wonder who is going to head that program?

Fight the ‘Smears’: Show the Proof NOW

"Why won’t Obama publish the back side of the document, where the embossed seal and registrar’s stamp/signature should be clearly visible since supposedly those marks just aren’t showing through on the front-side of the image?

Why won’t Obama show the birth certificate to the media in a press conference?

It’s not clear which hospital he was born in (I’ve seen two different ones referenced in biographical materials).

... recent statements by Janice Okuto of the Hawaii Dept. of Health ... were inconsistent."

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/06/28/fight-the-smears-show-the-proof-now/

"....But I sure wish Bill Clinton had told him to his face - on national television. BO absolutely trashed Bill...." julie young

Julie,
Every time Bill tried to make known how he felt about the way Obama was trashing him, the media called him hysterical and out of control. They even made reference to a llame idea that his bypass surgery had affected him mentally. They had whole articles on how heart surgery can affect your mind, referring to Bill.

The accusations got so bad whenever Bill complained or spoke out against the injustice, they called him, in so many words, an over-the-hill, racist, out of touch maniac. Even speculating that he had lost his political touch. How could he fight all of MSNBC and CNN, NBC, pundits, written publications, the biosphere crowd, and his fellow politicians (so called friends)?

History Lesson: Bill Clinton's tenure was not a failure
By David Greenberg
http://lettrist.blogspot.com/2008/02/history-lesson-bill-clintons-tenure-was.html

awwww.......the typo correcter objects?

lol

and as for the 3 urls.......the next day I was sober again but you were still a creep.........

that's my day's adze homimem, to paraphrase old winnie

ha ha ha......homiNem N n N
hominem hominem hominem.......

lol

chloe
Imho Bill Clinton can run rings around Obama anyday.
You do not get to Rhodes scholar by being dumb. BHO should wish he was half as smart, politically and figuratively.
He left office with a 65% approval rating. The highest of any president. He had his faults. But that was just being male with his zipper being one of them. He does know politics however. BHO was not electedm so much as selected. We will just have to wait to see what that brings him.

Saturday night and the sun is over the yardarm EDT.
Where is jack when we need his music and poetry and sage advise from sturg to intermingle with the political.

rocky mount......know it well......i mean, as well as you can know a place from hanging out in a bar across from the train station till the train for charleston left.....

sage advice: Never put sage into your grits.....makes them gritty.......

"Hillary is probably the smartest most compassionate politician this century"

You better believe it.

"Oh, and I hold a grudge for a long time!"

Elephants never forget.

"Contrary to the campaign's claims, the issue of when Hawaii became a state and the wording of the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution, are not at issue.

Rather it is Article Two, Section One of the Constitution which requires that the President be a "natural born citizen" and not simply a naturalized citizen. The issue is whether there is proof that Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, the legal status of his mother at the time, and what exactly is written on the original birth certificate -- if it in fact such a certificate exists.

On its face, this document does not even presume to be a copy of the original birth certificate -- contrary to the claims of the Obama campaign -- but rather a secondary Certification of Live Birth ..."

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12932.htm

White House travel office = political appointments

Reublicans holdovers joined with rightwing lawyers for the beginning of the endless wasteful use of the courts to harass President Clinton and members of his administration.

"Imho Bill Clinton can run rings around Obama anyday." julie young 7

On any day of the week, Julie.
Obama's not even in the same league.
.............................................
'I'm not giving up. Oh, and I hold a grudge for a long time!' Nick

I haven't given up either, Nick. It ain't over 'til it's over.
............................................................

BILL AND OPRAH ICE MACHINE
BILL Clinton gave the cold shoulder to Barack Obama's biggest supporter, Oprah Winfrey, at Nelson Mandela's 90th birthday in London
http://www.nypost.com/seven/06272008/gossip/pagesix/bill_and_oprah_ice_machine_117382.htm

"When Winfrey went over to Mandela's table, where Clinton was seated, "

lol

"This is a potential game changer, and needs to be pursued.

Could it be because Obama may have been born prior to Hawaii having joined the Union? Or is it, as others suggest an issue of onomastics, and/or being born abroad?

There is no faster way of bringing Clinton back into the General Election, than demanding Obama provide voters with proof of birth.

No seal and official endorsement on the certificate, are grounds to litigate."

http://www.stop-obama.org/?p=588

Somebody brought up Bill Clinton and "domestic drilling"?

So many jokes, so little time. My circuits are overloading.

I think it's safe to say Bill Clinton favored a balanced strategy that utilized "wind energy" followed by drilling.
That's my recollection at least.

And of course, unexpected spills are always an issue one has to plan for.

Chloe,

I think the bigger shock is that Dick Cheney wasn't also seated at the Mandela table...explaining to him why he opposed condemning apartheid because Soweto didn't sit above a pool of oil...

GORDO,

Your act is about as original as generic pop tarts...if you went a day or two without linking the texaswhore, taylor marsh, the bitter israel or whatever other blogs, people would stop thinking that 80's porns were better written than your posts...lol

Lardass,

I suspect that he pursued those endeavors with a "missionary" zeal right?

As for Oprah, how funny would it be if she went up to him to remind him that if she lost 90% of her net worth, she could still outspend him? lol

What a farce this meeting in "Unity" was. Totally pathetic. The woman who should be the nominee and the prick who took over the party with the DNC's help. Unqualified to the hilt.

No Unity

No Obama

No DNC support

No Dice

EVER

PUMA BABY

her = Janice Okubo of the Hawaii Dept. of Health
-------------------------------------------------------------------
"But as soon as someone (this blogger) challenged her on the inconsistencies and asked some tough questions, she deferred to the lawyers (in the Hawaii AG office) who now insist that the law prevents Okubo or any State employee from discussing any aspect of Obama’s birth certificate with the press or public. The obfuscation is fascinating."

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/06/28/fight-the-smears-show-the-proof-now/

Why does everything in this darn country have to become a crisis before anything is done. California is going through its annual burning season. Half of the state is a desert. People were talking about desalinization plants 40 years ago. Still out of water with more than twice the population than was there then.

Sunshine 300+ days a year and little solar or wind development

The Chinese plan for 100 years in the future. The U.S. occasionally considers the day after tomorrow when being thoughtful.

"I think the bigger shock is that Dick Cheney wasn't also seated at the Mandela table..."

ROFL, Bear.

"As for Oprah, how funny would it be if she went up to him to remind him that if she lost 90% of her net worth, she could still outspend him? lol"

Uh....and?

So, while you will never read this, Hillary, I am sorry. I am sorry for jokes I never should have made. I am sorry for keeping silent while the news media kicked you over, and over, and over again.

Women of DailyKos, I am sorry that as a man in this community I ignored and even at times defended those who belittled your gender and hindered the progress of a woman toward the highest office.

I am with you now. I intend to boycott MSNBC (which had been my favorite news site) until they formally acknowledge, as I have here, the harm they have done explicitly and implicitly in this election cycle.

There it is. The confession of a recovering sexist.

UPDATE: Rec List. Wow. When I sat down and wrote this in my office today, I did it as a personal growth excercise. This story and issue troubled me since I have returned from Greensburg. Thank you for kindly accepting my apologies. I never imagined people would care about this. This has been truly healing for me. I hope it is helpful for others.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/28/14392/2954/701/543412

patsi......then, of course, bill would make a snappy comeback about her weight problem........before you know it there'd be teeth hair and eyeballs all over mr mandela's table and he'd have to send oprah back across the room........not a pretty scene to imagine.......

Still out of water with more than twice the population than was there then. Sunshine 300+ days a year and little solar or wind development . http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/06/dems-get-it-together-in-unity.html#comment-108482
Jamie
I Think California has more Solar than any other state. Not sure though ? Could be wrong. Maggisd would know.

There's lots of wind turbines in Tehachapi., one place I remember for sure.

But I don't think they really know where where to get water.
The government there is usually broke.

There are scads of wind turbines around Palm Springs, Ca which I am told is where LA gets a good portion of its electricity. every time I am there, more have gone up.

Chloe

It has wind and solar. It doesn't have enough and the water situation is completely insane. One of the most fertile growing regions in the world has been turned into wall to wall cement to house the millions who live there. The state that used to measure it's fruit groves in miles now imports most from Chile.

Talk about stupid.

"Why won’t Obama publish the back side of the document, where the embossed seal and registrar’s stamp/signature should be clearly visible since supposedly those marks just aren’t showing through on the front-side of the image?

If this is done, how would we know it was the back from the original document?

ne of the most fertile growing regions in the world has been turned into wall to wall cement to house the millions who live there. Jamie

You're right. It is wall to wall cement.
And of course, over crowded.
The land got so valuable that they built on every inch possible.
And there went the groves.
The state got greedy, I guess.

Chloe: Came in at the tail end here ... after reading all the lovely stuff about birds.
To tell you the truth, I don't know for certain that California has more solar than any other state ... but we make the claim and it's credible. My local power company has some huge solar arrays out in the desert, as well as wind turbines and a nuclear plant. And, of course, we've been putting in solar roofs since the 70s at least. In the years since the Enron debacle, it is claimed that we have kept our electrical usage completely stable. And the Governator claims we have the lowest per capita carbon footprint in the country. Who knows if that's really true.
Water...whole 'nother story.
And, the only reason we are perpetually broke is the initiative process. People vote to make all sorts of things part of the state Constitution (such as needing a 2/3 majority to pass a budget) and it ties the hands of the legislators.

Sturgeone,

I think Bill likes a round ass so I would say Oprah is in his wheelhouse..

I wonder if the McCain campaign has contacted Craig yet...

With his rash of injuries in and around his home, I wonder if they can spin the next one as the terrorist attack that only he could lead us through? lol

"If this is done, how would we know it was the back from the original document?"Posted by: anonymous |

There's got to be a simple way to clear this up. Isn't there?
Why not settle it once and for all.
Have a news conference. Show the real one. And tell everyone to drop it.

Jamie: We do import some fruit from Chile, and some from as far away as New Zealand, and a lot still from Mexico, as ever.
But we still have an abundance of fruit from California, along with lots of Washington apples -- in season. Vegetables, of course, are mostly local no matter the time of the year, but fruit has always been seasonal, and it still is. Despite the suburban sprawl along the major corridors, there are still lovely rural pockets, even in Southern California.

Maggi,
I know they have more rules than any state I've ever seen. I lived their most of my life. I love it there, but it's too expensive to live - mainly BECAUSE of all the rules. Stringent smog control, unbelievable building codes, more restrictions and requirements than one can believe.

Taxes, including property tax is more expensive than many other places. Property indescribably expensive. Insurance, permits, utilities so expensive, it's hard to believe. You don't realize until you live somewhere else.

Great, great state. But it definitely costs you to live there.

Maggi,
We get a lot of fruit from California here in Texas. All the good produce comes from there. And it's the best there is, besides maybe Florida (and probably a couple I'm missing).

We usually feel like California ships more of their fruit here than they keep in state. When we moved here, we had a better selection of California produce than we had when we lived there.

And the avocados, there's no place else that grows them like yours.

UPDATE: israelinsider

"If Obama is confident that he has a valid paper birth certificate from Hawaii, it is unreasonable for him to be withholding it.

But if he lacks a valid US birth certificate, and therefore cannot prove that he is an American citizen, then he would have good reason to put up a smokescreen and stonewall as long as he can. He would have good reason to try and slide by, as he may have done in the past, by putting up something that would pass as legitimate to the untrained and uninformed, as the one posted by the left-wing Daily Kos blog did, and which much of the media accepted as such, on his say-so."

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12944.htm

If anyone here is still interested in birds ... a couple of years ago I was out shopping with my daughter and heard this tremendous chatter from the trees and overhead wires...looked up and this very large flock of macaws, parrots, and parakeets took off in a rush of feathers and screeches ... a fascinating urban moment.

Bear -- You may be right. Oprah might be Bill's body type.

patsi and bear......still......I dont think he'd let her get away unscathed after her cracking wise about her wealth........

If anyone here is still interested in birds . maggisd
'
I'm always interested in birds.

We get huge flocks (thousands per flock) through here too. They pass through here in the winter. But we always have lot of different birds where we live.

chloe: You know where they grow great avocadoes? Israel. Huge and beautiful.
Unfortunately, our avocado crop is in some distress due to last year's fires. As for fruit...we still have plenty.

Lots of things quite expensive here --- mostly housing. Even with the recent bursting of the housing bubble it still costs an arm and a leg to get into a home.

But whatever the drawbacks, I would not live anywhere else. I did for a while, and so did my late brother and we both agreed that there was just something in us that called us back to California.

Nick,
That youtube is a good spoof on that one that was for Hillary.

I'm with you, I've never been impressed with his speeches.
But I don't want to insult anyone here. That's just my opinion.

No place like it, Maggi.

"Why does a Daily Kos Diary writer, Democratic Party activist, and Obama supporter have two fake Hawaii Certifications of Live Birth posted to his Photobucket.com image album? --- These forged documents were discovered in his photobucket.com album shortly after Daily Kos posted the alleged Obama Certification. --- What follows below raises the question: is there a link between these forged documents and Barack Obama’s Certification of Live Birth posted at Daily Kos and on the Obama Campaign Website?"

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/28/daily-kos-an-obama-activist-and-forged-birth-certifications/

You may be right. Oprah might be Bill's body type.
Posted by: Patsi

Patsi,
You're leaving Bill open to some real jokes there.

Well , I went with my Dad to the dining room for dinner. I met a few of the residents there. One guy was named Charles. He apparently has Alzheimers. He whistles a lot. Very poorly. I would call him the character of the place. Another is named Philip. I think he's recovering from a stroke. He's going home on Monday and very happy about that! My Dad has made a friend named Mary. She and my Dad sorta have a have a love/hate relationship going on. They should blog here! Lastly , please vote on November 4th! Here's the link:

http://www.sayyestosunday.com/faq.html

Chloe: Actually, the entire country is beautiful. Personally I'm not a fan of the desert, but some people are. If I had enough money to pay for the gas and a new set of tires, I'd set off cross country right now...next to reading, driving across America has always been the most enjoyable activity I ever had.

Anon -- I read your entire piece on Kos -- stunning! First, Greensburg, Kansas is not far from where I grew up. Desolate part of the country, although I love the flatlands a BUNCH. Home of the World's Deepest Hand Dug Well!

I worked on a crew one summer, while in my 40s. (I'd been caught up in a corporate shakeup, and with two kids and no safety net -- I HAD to find something temporary, but with good wages....FAST.)

Long story which I won't bore you with, but suffice it to say that for three days I knew I was on trial. The crew was all-black, by the way. And I doubt it all would have ended up as good with an all-white crew. Maybe because our little crew knew we were at the low end of that totem pole.

Once they knew that I, too, needed the good wage the company paid, and would work as hard as they did, asking no favors, despite being a friend of the owner -- I was welcomed into the "family." The day I knew everything was going to be fine was day-four, when one of the men asked me if I wanted to bring my sack lunch and join them.

From then on, I was treated as an equal, never disrespected, and yes, ended up with some friends that were around from time to time for the next several years, until I moved to the farm.

At any rate -- Anon -- you're a champ.

Would it be considered too negative to say that I have no earthly interest in Barack Obama's birth certificate? But on that point -- his mother was a US citizen...ergo, wherever he was born, he, too is a natural-born US citizen.

Nick,
We're in a Houston suburb.

The Hillary youtube was funnier and more bazarre (and sincere).
This, I think, was a spoof on it. The other one was considered one of the best videos for a while. Find it if you can. Very funny.
(you'll know you've got the right one if you see a teenager with 2 tone hair).

maggi......im with you on that driving across the country part......that is as good as anything gets.......next to reading................

Would it be considered too negative to say that I have no earthly interest in Barack Obama's birth certificate? maggisd

Maggi,
I don't think anyone is that interested.
I am mildly interested though, in the fact that Hawaii became a state such so closely to when he was born. And his mother always live in other countries. It does seem odd that he won't just clear it up once and for all and move on.

But I agree with you. Doesn't seem like an issue.

Patsi: Abilene, Kansas...very memorable small city. Endured one of the worst thunderstorms I ever experienced there....we could see it coming literally for miles. It was a whole new thing for me, a thunderstorm of that magnitude and duration. Amazing!

U.S. Citizenship by Birth or Through Parents

"The laws governing whether or not a child born outside of the United States acquires U.S. citizenship from his or her parents have changed several times. The law that was in effect on the date of the child's birth determines whether he or she acquired U.S. citizenship from a parent or grandparent

December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986

If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16. There are no conditions placed on retaining this type of citizenship."

http://immigration.findlaw.com/immigration/immigration-citizenship-naturalization/immigration-citizenship-naturalization-did-you-know(1).html

Maggi, in California, your storms would even register as storms in a lot of other places. It's something I enjoy, but it took a while to get used too. Don't miss the earth quakes though.

Nick,
That's funny. And I like that part with the debates.

But it looks like another spoof on the one I'm talking about.
I'll try to find it too.

Nick,

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc&feature=related

"Obviously, if it were to be demonstrated that someone closely connected to The Daily Kos and/or the Barack Obama Presidential Campaign knowingly created and/or posted a fake Certificate of Live Birth, the ramifications would be enormous…. even more so if he turned out to be a foreign citizen."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/28/daily-kos-an-obama-activist-and-forged-birth-certifications/
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"Why would Ann Dunham, at age 18, travel from Honolulu to Mercer Island (outside of Seattle) with a newborn infant for a “brief” visit?"

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/06/24/honolulu-seattle-roundtrip-in-61/

gotta go

Maggie/Stugeon

Sounds like we have the makings of the classic road trip. I love driving.

Nick, just noticed that was on Britney, and they spoofed it on Hillary.
Se ya later.

"still......I dont think he'd let her get away unscathed after her cracking wise about her wealth........"

HA, Sturge -- nope, but the real test is whether she'd have been crass enough to make a money comment while Bill was sitting at Mandela's table....

Jamie: So do I...and obviously so does Sturg. Long days on the road, stopping at every tourist trap and viewpoint....eating in local diners (I like to avoid freeways when I can).... now the farthest I go is LA or Yuma....but boy oh boy I have some great memories and some really funny ones ... you know, the kind that weren't funny at the time.

OK, I am with you guys. Let's do a road trip. Alas, guess we will have to settle for

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXOdKTPwrRY

"Endured one of the worst thunderstorms I ever experienced there....we could see it coming literally for miles. "

Maggi -- nothing like a flatland storm!

jamie.......i've driven thru every one of the lower 48 save wisconsin and maine but Im afraid my road trip days are over......i'd go by train now...............

"Geraghty stated that "If Obama were born outside the United States, one could argue that he would not meet the legal definition of natural-born citizen -- because U.S. law at the time of his birth required his natural-born parent (his mother) to have resided in the United States for '10 years, at least [f]ive of which had to be after the age of 16.'"

He then points out that Ann Dunham, Obama's mother, was 18 when Obama was born "so she wouldn't have met the requirement of five years after the age of 16."

According to FindLaw.com, cited by Geraghty, the requirements that were in force from Dec. 24, 1952 to Nov. 13, 1986, encompassing the time of Obama's birth, state, "If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least 10 years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16."

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12932.htm

Road Trip!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w316aA8ed8

"Anyone ever seen an albino starling?"

Like a seagull?

Maggie

When I was a kid, my dad had a house with an old avocado tree in it. It was absolutely huge. I've never seen another one that large.

I know there are still large farming areas, but I can remember when the addresses in the San Fernando Valley were RFD, when the whole of the central valley was miles and miles of nut trees, raisins, and cotton.

As much as I love the state (If my son didn't need me here I would go back in a second), I hate what it has become.

Patsi: You better believe it...although the worst one I ever experienced was at Curt Gowdy Wyoming...we were pulling a hill in a huge wind and rainstorm next to an 18 wheeler and neither vehicle could do more than 5 mph...and on top of that, the springs on our camper were at full extension .... but then our reward was a great night at the KOA in Laramie sitting around comparing stories with the other campers ...

Jamie: I hear you. We have the same memories, I believe. Every Sunday afternoon, almost without fail, we would take a long drive out into the country ... as you said, the valley or what is now Covina...and we'd drive down to Coronado sometimes to visit friends and pull into San Juan Capistrano as if it were an outpost in the desert.
Washington is nothing to sneeze at in terms of beauty ... although I imagine it's getting pretty crowded as well. There's just too many of us.

GORDO,

I think you should prove who you are before commenting further. Are you human or a machine? roflmfao

They have posted a bunch of pictures from last night's concert. Here's the link:

http://www.107mus.com/cc-common/gallery/display.html?album_id=124146

sturgeone: I keep thinking I have one more road trip in me, although my daughter strongly disagrees. My friend and I are sort of contemplating a trip up to Vancouver and then a visit to the glaciers, before they all disappear.

Well, folks, I have to sign off for now... have a good rest of the evening.

Me, too. Nite!

maggie,

I would like the trip you are talking about, but why stop there. I would love to go to alaska, all the way to the artic circle.. Some of the most beautiful scenery anywhere and some of the best fishing anywhere. Sleeping out and eating out of can would be worth it. The food was atriously high the last time, it would be even more so now. Fresh fish cooked on a stick over a campfire, oh yeah..

Sturg,

How about the train trip from St Andrews all way across Canada to British Columbia. I have threatened to do that several times and just never have. You can stop in several places and stay overnight and catch the next train to continue. That way you see things in the daylight.

julie

Julie......that'd be one fine trip.......

when i was a teen I rode the train from charleston to San Fran......by was of DC, philly denver ......then rode back on the southern route from LA to charleston......ineradicable joy.........it addicted me to travel, which was my pursuit until about ' 86.........

way of

"Abilene, Kansas...very memorable small city"

Maggi -- remember this one:

"Abilene, Abiline, prettiest town that I've ever seen.
Women there don't treat you mean, in Abilene,
My Abilene..."

Of course, they are talking about Abilene, Texas...but what the heck?

patsi......remember that george strait/whitey schaeffer song, "Do Four Smurfs Ever Cross Your Mind?"

Also to Maggi --

RE: although the worst one I ever experienced was at Curt Gowdy Wyoming...we were pulling a hill in a huge wind and rainstorm next to an 18 wheeler and neither vehicle could do more than 5 mph...and on top of that, the springs on our camper were at full extension .... but then our reward was a great night at the KOA in Laramie sitting around comparing stories with the other campers ... "

You know I also have a story about being stranded in a storm...I bet a lot of folks do...proving that a lot of bad deals end up in a good time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggi0Peg9764

P of U
Hey I get where your coming from!! I hope your support isn't deminished for Sen. Obama.I am glad the Sen. is moving to the center,he needs to be if elected President of all the people and thats more in the center in MHO.I don't believe as some do this country is taking a turn to the left............

"To those of you talking about cardinals at your feeders, you're breaking my heart. We do not have them in CA and I miss them so. "

Bethy! Now I'm heartbroken. When I lived on the farm for a couple of years, I never saw a cardinal and it just killed me.

PS -- RE: " I remember one blonde little thing with no teeth saying another woman was the biggest liar in 7 states"

MyGod that's hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi everyone.

Was someone talking about Bill Clinton being nasty....

This is a classic - I am sure you've seen it before....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnjmynoiQIM

big time cardinals, mockingbirds, Jays, Robins Wrens, sparrows here......not to mention the hawks eagles buzzards and huge water birds......a pair of carolina wrens built a nest and laid eggs in one of my 5 hanging plants and i got to see the little critters take their first flights.....hilarious stuff......they have no guidance or control.....just hop up, one at a time and then flap like hell and straight line to whatever they bump into.... then get up and try again.....i laughed for a week.......

It's got to be tough learning how to fly.

Nick! If you are a Gary P Nunn fan, I am now YOUR biggest fan! Now I have to go back and listen to more than "....I wanna go home with the armadillo..." -- fabulous "elitist" music like "Up Against The Wall, Redneck Mother!" (Mothers who have raised your kids so well...."

mccain always gets the typical politicalish critiques, but I figure the real reason he wont get elected is that NO ONE wants to see that Cindy woman anywhere near the white house......the gop has really crapped in their mess-kit this time....maybe it's part of the plan......

Burrito -- HA! Yes, a bad, bad boy....hopefully a toe tapping bad boy....Larry Craig's favorite kind!

lol Sturge

UB......they fly right from the start.....the tough part seemed to be learning to fly to where they wanna go and land easy......lol

Can you even believe that Craig said that, and it looked like he was enjoying saying it ! LOL I don't have "gaydar" -but if I were his wife.....

"aah honey.......we need to talk."

Hey UB
Your really Your the Greatest!! Thanks for that link.Very funny and a nice treat.Oh but Im having Bryers Fat free chocolate brownie ice cream as I type this and I am satisfied.U B and Bryers what a treat!!!

Tony - awe... that's sweet....
----
7 homes....just what everyone needs....and they think they are gong to get the public housing at 1600 ?

....the ice cream....

: )

my other favorite country glass song is the one about Elvis and Fred Flintstone.....I'll see if i can find it....meanwhile:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9b2zB3HwOM

Elvis decanter and Fred Flintstone glass and Jones.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyoy4mNnH_Q

"whitey schaeffer"

Great guy and great writer!

I loved the Flinstone's when I was growing up....I even had Flinstone toys.

Willllllllllllmaaaaaaaaa!

Burrito -- "and it looked like he was enjoying saying it ! LOL "

Ha...ain't it the truth?

That's an awesome video Sturge ...the Yabba Dabba doo - one

Patsi
I just scared my dogs off the sofa.My out of control laughing had them gone!!! HA.I even shared the Ice cream too!! I like your style.........

I think our president should be botox free....According to this article, botox can seep into other parts of the body.

"What we don't know . . . is how far does it spread and how fast does it go and what tissues might be most susceptible," he said.

"Those questions aren't resolved yet."

http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/city/story.html?id=23fd08df-d7f6-4e22-81ad-b902daf7a568

Sturge -- also, check Leon Russell completely stoned introducing Doug Kershaw -- fabulous!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2dbZibG46M&feature=related

cant beat a good coonass stomp.........my cat's named coonass......daughter brought me home a kitten from bataw rooooje......

LOL McCain a dead head....lol that's funny

There's a "real" dead head at my dog park.....he's like a memorabilia piece. He's really nice, but man he screwed his life up......Suburban born and raised....long history of prominent family in the area...maybe the second if not the first family to actually settle here....

He followed the GD around for years.....he's damn proud of it too....still in tie-dye. He is great to his dogs - and that says a lot about a person.

More tales of "birds gotta fly..."

Last year, eastern phoebes had built their nest on the bend of a downspout near my front door. I came out one morning to find a nestling suspended upside down and dangling by one leg 12 feet from the ground. It was tangled in fishing line its parent had used in building the nest. Normally, you are supposed to leave "struggling" fledglings alone - they usually figure it out which is nature's way.

But this was not normal or natural, so I intervened. Hard to help something wild that doesn't know you're trying to help it. I was afraid I'd kill it from fright in the process. Delicate "surgery" was required, and it was a great relief when I saw the little bird hop away into the underbrush with a little prayer from me that this one would make it.

here we go in - honor of NOLA - enjoy it's good

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmlTWtPyldw

I had jet relationship with this guy.......seats A1and A2...poor guy....I had no idea who he was.....we talked a lot.....then at the end, when I found out who he was , I got a silly and star struck...

Wow, Ivy -- what a story!

Re: Harry Connick Jr.

....................and by the way, yes! he is HOT!

Sorry I couldn't help myself...lololol

A really super article in this month's Midwest Airlines flight magazine called " birds of a feather",. It is about the nature preserve at Baraboo, Wisconsin in which you can see all 15 Crane species, more than 100 of the birds live on the 225 acres of restored prairie, wetlands, and oak savannah. Baraboo is about an hour north of Madison, Wisconsin. One of the only places than you can see all 15 species of Cranes.

Julie

SNL is supposedly doin a re-run of a George Carlin-hosted episode tonight. It's gonna be great.

Whoa -- Craig! Thanks for the heads up!

damn.......ozzie and harriet on "ion" channel......

wonder if ricky's going to sing one......

Thanks, Craig. We're awaiting SNL right now...

wow......i never knew carlin was first........

I can only imagine, how the Clintons' feel.....I mean "so close" ... when "close" doesn't count for anything. Looking backwards, as we all do with critical eyes, I am sure they recognize many errors in their strategy.

If their strategy was better the whole MSM bias would have been a non-issue. I say this because if they had done it right, she would have been winning by a landslide and the MSM would be unable to go against the tide.

wow again........did andy kaufman lift his Latka Gravas from belushi?

There's not a worst feeling in the world, then knowing how different your life would be if you hadn't screwed up.

burrito

Amen your 11:33

Julie

dig the leather suit on the guitar player.....SNL...that's smokin'

Billy Preston - an added bonus on SNL re-play...!

yeah, but.......mccain is a dork........

oh.

Sheesh. Kind of a nasty day for the blog. I know that I haven't always been the best with my comments - indeed, I've said some pretty insulting things in the past. But let's stop the bickering...if at all possible. Good night, all!

"Instead of "Botox Cindy", you should have referred to her as a trollop or a C*, since that what her hubby calls her. LOL"

Rez....using other people's oinks for cover?

:)

"It coulda been worse...you coulda paid four chickens..."

ET,

What in the world makes you thing that it's the same party that he spent all his years working for???

I sure as hell don't think it is.

Posted by: Flatus | June 28, 2008 4:26 PM

Hi Flatus, The party seems to keep on changing over its history. Frankly, if I were able to wave my magic wand, the party would go back to the fiscal activism of FDR. The party that I respect the most is the DFL - Democrat Farmer Labor party of Minnesota best historically personified by the diligent work former U.S. Senator and Vice-President Hubert Humphrey. He was a true humanitarian. I also respect the honesty and human rights record of President Jimmy Carter though in many ways he was quite ineffectual.

Culturally I am a Democrat. My Grandfather (who died at age 63 in 1965) was a life long Democrat (my Mom just told me that recently). Mom, my sister and I are Democrats. My redneck brother and my goofy Dad are Repugs. So voting against the Dems is not something I do easily. I am encouraged though by the work Hillary and Barack are doing together. Part of my attitude is fear of what happens if the Dems lose, the other part is hope of what can be accomplished with the Dems in power.

I still want Hillary to be VP running mate !! The party and our country needs her! For many of us who carry the sting in our hearts over the DNC actions vis-a-vis Florida and Michigan, and the manner in which Hillary was attacked by the media and even some colleagues, forgiving and forgetting isn't easy. But for our future I do believe it's necessary. And to the Barack Obama for President organization, I still say Hillary should be the running mate.

P.S. Having re-read Barack Obama's 2004 Democratic National Convention keynote speech, I remember why I admired him so back then.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/convention2004/barackobama2004dnc.htm

"The pundits, the pundits like to slice-and-dice our country into Red States and Blue States; Red States for Republicans, Blue States for Democrats. But I’ve got news for them, too. We worship an "awesome God" in the Blue States, and we don’t like federal agents poking around in our libraries in the Red States. We coach Little League in the Blue States and yes, we’ve got some gay friends in the Red States. There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and there are patriots who supported the war in Iraq. We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America.

In the end -- In the end -- In the end, that’s what this election is about. Do we participate in a politics of cynicism or do we participate in a politics of hope?"

I disagree about having a president and the house and congress all in the same party. The same applies to the democrats as the republicans. Absolute power promotes evil..
You know what scares me, the rich liberals in the legislature and congress, their wealth insulates them from the consequences of their actions.
BHo is more of a power seeker than Bush. Look what we got with a republican threesome..
We must have checks and balances. Three way is not the answer.

Posted by: julie young 73 | June 28, 2008 3:45 PM

The Repugs will just continue to obstruct and work for their monied interests and if they are also in power. Having one party controlling the House, Senate and Presidency can reduce "gridlock" so real change can begin. But remember, within each party there are those who are more conservative or more liberal than the majority of their colleagues. Often their votes are done with a look on home district practicality as much as the goals of the President and/or national party.

Hi Patsi--about birds. . .

I just had to respond to your posts about birds. I have always loved animals,
but I never really thought about birds or appreciated them until one afternoon, a couple of years ago, when I found three eggs in an abandoned plant holder hanging on my patio. In the evening, I watched a big, gray bird with iridescent-blue tipped wings, swoop down to sit on the eggs. I walked over and peered into the nest. I was enthralled.

The fat bird sat proudly watching me watch it. Anyway, I did some research and discovered the birds were Morning Doves. I learned that the male and female both share equally in sitting on the eggs and caring for the young. Each morning, one of the adult birds would change shifts with the other who had been on the night shift. After a couple of weeks, two precocious chicks hatched.

Then, they flew out of the nest and on to the ground. Each adult bird stayed with one of the babies and flew around the yard. For a few days, I watched as the four birds flapped from tree to tree and roof top to roof top. I became captivated by my bird interlopers. They became like surprise-entertaining guests. I watched them daily with my binoculars.

l left food out and the whole family of doves continued to fly to my patio for weeks after, to eat and walk around. I had to move from that apartment and I miss my bird buddies who so suddenly touched my life. I wrote a story about this experience beginning with the first day I found the eggs entitled "The Dove Diaries." I now consider myself to be a bird-person.

I loved the Flinstone's when I was growing up....I even had Flinstone toys.

Willllllllllllmaaaaaaaaa!

Posted by: unlikely_burrito | June 28, 2008 10:14 PM

I still love the Flintstones! I was going to buy the entire series on DVD but I'm in a financial crunch right now, social security costs to pay, and record inflation in Belgium coupled with the fact that a large chuck of my income goes to taxes (I think close to 50%...) .... and no I don't make an extraordinary amount of money, on the contrary. But with a country that has excellent health care and social security, taxes will remain high...

Now if I win Lotto.... :) Oh and I remember when I was in 6th grade we went on a family vacation to South Dakota and we visited Flinstone Land somewhere close to Deadwood I think. I loved it !!!

Bam- bam - what a great name !!

http://i30.tinypic.com/slr7sm.jpg

Oops Craig, now I am counting the number of posts I am making :-) The point on back and forth bickering is one well taken. It doesn't change things, on the contrary, it keeps the cages rattling. My thought is that we're not going to like everyone here, but we can disagree with the poster's position rather than swiping at the poster him or herself. I know that I have been just as guilty so I'm not in a position to be "judgmental". And my viewpoint is also a bit skewed because I particularly admire one of the posters and understand the anger.
I vote for "give and take" without "slash and burn".

(Personally I find all the weblink posts by Gordo to be the most tiring and useless here. I am not much into these sorts of devious conspiracy theories.)

NOW TO THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE: HOW WAS SNL?

rest in peace George!

Burrito this is for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpab0a3W4Ec

and this one is OMG: Winston: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFogTD0t5kM

Euro Tom: (my new Facebook friend, by the way)
SNL was from 1976...had Chevy Chase in a lot of skits...John Belushi in a "bee" skit, many of the others of the old crew.

Carlin was reserved, talking about his wonderment at phrases like "jumbo shrimp", and other dated material...Carlin was about 39 years of age when this aired.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/06/dems-get-it-together-in-unity.html#comment-108616

haha! "jet relationship!" In 1996 a group from work flew to San Jose for a conference. My seat happened to be in the middle and my superior was in the window seat. Our plane was six hours late leaving Columbus and I was dead-tired and shortly after take-off I dozed off. Of course when I woke up my stupid head was resting on my boss's shoulder! I was so damned embarrassed ... I had even DROOLED on myself! She just laughed and said "you were so peaceful I didn't dare wake you up!" And no, no, no! That was NOT the start of anything extracurricular!

The only celebrity I ever shared a public conveyance with was John Madden, then of CBS Football Broadcasting, pre-bus days, when he rode Amtrak trains. Helluva nice man!

Patsi - The details to the story about the little blonde lady add to it. Her blonde hair was in two braids that hung over her shoulders so she looked like a kid, and had on bobby sox and some kind of tennis shoe. She was quite sprightly and might even had known the woman she said that about. I got the feeling they had a history of some kind. She almost cackled when she said it.

I think the media is confused - they still hate the Clintons and always will. I firmly -firmly, I tell you - believe it's because the Clinton's are so much smarter than anyone in the media that they run rings around them.Media people are left choking on Bill and Hillary's dust.I don't care where they went to school or what their degrees are or how perfect their grammar is or what books they have read - media people can't make leaps of thought and they can never ponder something until it is fine tuned and can explain exactly what they mean. That's what the Clintons do - they think and they think well and they think deeply.

Part of themedia's problem is they have to fill so much air time, they have to speak fast and without thinking. They also have to beat the other stations. Further, they are not thinking of doing the public a real service; they ae thinking of themselves and their salaries.

If they had the ability to think and ponder and speak their ideas well. they could have a path beaten to their doors because of that ability, but they're in a hurry. I stopped listening to KO's special comments after the first one -it was so badly written. Even with a worthwhile subject, he couldn't line his sentences up un a row. 'Nough rant.

There we 1211 wildfires in CA as of yesterday. There is a lot of haze and the smoke can be annoying. But the heat is gone. Most of these fires were started by lightning - no storms, just lightning.

Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow.....

Barack Obama is a fraud

All this Obama unity talk is like an alternative universe, like bizarro world.

Wasn't it just a month ago that Obama surrogates and the media were demonizing the Clintons, muddying up former Bill Clinton, using smears to transform him into a racist?

I see all the familiar Obama representatives, now, on CNN, MSNBC, fake smiles pasted on their faces, praising Bill and Hillary Clinton as great and wonderful leaders. I felt a bit nauseated as I watched the Unity Rally on Friday when Obama talked about how terrific Bill Clinton's presidency had been, how much he needed both Clintons to campaign for him. It was all too much for me. I kept wondering why Obama would want Bill Clinton, the supposed racist, to rally for him?

I understand Bill Clinton's reluctance to give a lofty speech praising a man
whose camp so marginalized and wounded him.

I feel like a person whose best friend just got beaten up and abused, then
those responsible for destroying my friend tell me a month later that they
want my support so they can win the election my pal fought desperately
to secure. I'm not ready to forgive and forget.

I understand why Hillary must "work her heart out" for Obama. It's required of her. It's her way. Her loyalty to the Democratic party is commendable. However, I feel no such dutiful allegiance.

I cannot forgive the DNC, Obama or the media, not now, maybe not ever.
I cannot reward all the Clinton haters by giving them my vote. It's all I have
to voice my distain. But, distain is not the main reason I won't vote for Obama even though I believe it is enough reason.

"I'd be a poor newspaperman indeed if I didn't know what everybody else knows!"

Today I watched John McCain, and the first black president of the United States of America on C-Span speak before the -
"Elected Latino's and Appointed Officials of America". (This is not their real name) ....... Their real name has more words than even they can remember.

John McCain has called out Senator Obama to meet him in 10 town hall meetings ......

I say bring it on.

Senator McCain has become the "Incredible Shrinking White Guy".

He does not want to appear on stage with this man.
Obama will clean his clock .....
McCain is headed to the dust bin of history.
Into the file that contains :
Tom DeLay
Dennis Hastard
Duke Cunningham
Right Wing preachers
Karl Rove
"The Reagan Revolution"
Fox News
Larry Craig

et al

The world has rolled over, and Senator McCain has become the "Incredible Shrinking White Guy".

Consider these items :
BP - British Petroleum
Their records go back to 1861. They report that oil has increased in price for the last 6 years. This has never happened before.

The most expensive object ever built by man is flying over our heads.
The International Space Station.

Two years ago, a drill ship off the coast of West Africa cost $125,000 a day to contract. Today that rig rents for $ 650,000 a day.

T Boone Pickens is building the world's largest wind farm in the Texas Panhandle. ( He wrote the checks to " Swift Boat" John Kerry.)

Pittsburgh will return as a steel making center. ( $4.75 diesel makes Chinese steel too expensive to ship across the Pacific)

As this reporter watched Senator Obama today in the rope line, after his address.. I was struck by the amount of Secret Service in the shot. You won't see it in the news, but the amount of people now protecting this man is like nothing ever seen before. They watch everybody's hands. A large black man is in the background, two or three people back. No suit, no dark sunglasses, no ear piece. But watching peoples hands.
Let us all go piss on "Bull" Conner's grave. No prayers, no wishes, just piss on that man's grave.

The world has rolled over, and Senator McCain has become the "Incredible Shrinking White Guy", and Mr. Obama is about to buy a $ 341,000,000 mallet to beat him to political pulp.

Dutton:

Too bad the greatness of a president can't be measured by the number
of secret service agents who cover him, isn't it.

oops. . ."isn't it?"

Enjoyed reading all your comments regarding the Clintons. I really hope Bill keeps his distance from the campaign. Forget the legacy--He can enhance that with some terrific works through his foundation. My position is that even if he were to campaign constantly for Obama it still would not be enough for many of Obama's supporters or the media. I realize I am Irish and have a vindictive streak when I am wronged.

Clever name!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutton_Peabody

Marcia and Bethy -- Couldn't agree more with both of your posts RE: the Clintons.

And Dutton -- you appear to be thrilled with your racist label, "white guy" -- put a sock in it. I don't like McCain's politics either. And I think Obama is a phony. So as far as I'm concerned, bad deal either way.

Patsi,

Good Morning! Did you read my bird post to you? It's just a few responses
before my Clinton post.

Marcia -- yes! I did read the dove post! LOVED it....I have a friend who raises doves and, of course, I do love the ones who come to the deck. I've never had the opportunity to see the nest/baby bird process!

I'm a little like you, I came to the "bird party" relatively late. Didn't pay much attention to them in my younger days. Now, there's little I like more than standing at the kitchen "island" and watching the birds come to the deck for food.

Good Sunday Morning, all.

Craig, how are your hands? Feeling ok now,I hope so!

This is not political, but scary none the less. Extremely hard to imagine.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080628/ap_on_re_eu/doomsday_collider

Patsi,

I'm so glad you liked my bird post. Someday, maybe I'll send you my entire
"Dove Diary." A whole new world opened to me, after I discovered birds.

Good morning everyone,

I have written a post on my blog that explains why, as a strong Hillary Clinton supporter, I am very comfortable voting for Barack Obama. (for anyone who's interested)

http://unlikelyburrito.blogspot.com/

Have a great Sunday!
peace~

P M
Oh your post on the Clintons,really good!! Its great starting my day here.Its nice knowing so many think along the same lines and that were all just not following the party line.
Bethy
Yesterday you wondered if your posts were read,I enjoy all your posts,they are so from the heart.Thankyou

To all of the Clinton supporters, -

This election is following a pattern of American history. The suffragettes, and the abolitionists made common ground long before the Civil War. But they fell out with each other . Black men got the vote (on paper) long before women-white or black could vote. But thousands of black men and unknown numbers of black women, were lynched before those votes were ever counted. One of the last was a teenager by the name of Emmett Till . A 14 year-old from Chicago.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/till/

He was beaten to a pulp, "his eye had been gouged out, before he was shot through the head and thrown into the Tallahatchie River with a 75-pound cotton gin fan tied to his neck with barbed wire. His body was in the river for three days before it was discovered and retrieved by two fishermen".

Because he looked at a white woman the wrong way in a place called Money, Miss.

This occurred in 1955. 8 years before the speech that Dr. King gave at the Lincoln Memorial, and 1 year after the SCOTUS handed down "Brown v Board of Education".

More about Emmett's father :

"Emmett's father, Louis Till, was drafted into the U.S. Army in 1943. While serving in Italy, he was convicted of raping two women and killing a third. He was executed by the Army by hanging near Pisa in July 1945. Before Emmett Till's killing, the Till family knew none of this, having been told only that Louis had been killed due to "willful misconduct". The facts of Louis Till's execution were made widely known after Emmett Till's death by segregationist senator James Eastland in an apparent attempt to turn public support away from Mamie Till Bradley just weeks before the trials of Roy Bryant and J.W. Milam, the implication being that criminal behavior ran in the Till family."
(Roy Bryant and J.W. Milam, confessed to "Look" magazine after they had been aqquitted at trial)

Emmett's death sparked the modern civil rights movement.
Because his mother Mamie insisted on an open casket, and the Black Press took up the story

Which in turn paved the way for the movement that gave all women in America control over their own bodies. The day that Dr. King spoke at the Lincoln Memorial, birth control was still illegal. Not abortion, but the pill itself was illegal.

Now I'm not going to tell you all to "wait your turn". That's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that there is a pattern here.
Like the building of Hoover Dam. The first man to die, and the last to die on that American icon were a father and son. In between were some 130 people.

Or this bit of Americana -

"April 9, 1865 marks the end of the Civil War. On that day, Robert E. Lee surrendered to Ulysses S. Grant at Appomattox Courthouse. Ironically, the site of this last major battle was owned by Wilmer McLean, a retired officer of the Virginia militia, who had moved his family into the Courthouse nearly four years earlier after his farm in Northern Virginia became the site of the first battle of Bull Run. It could be said that McLean hosted both the beginning and the end of the Civil War."

Does America need a woman president ?
Absolutely.
Will we have one ?
Absolutely.
Will it be Hillary Clinton ?
Maybe, but 4 years ago we all had never heard of Barack Obama.

Senator Obama will give his acceptance speech this summer - 45 years to the day after Dr. King gave that speech at the Lincoln Memorial.

I'm guessing that Emmett Till's ghost will head home to Chicago shortly there after, and Louis Till's ghost is on his way home from Italy.

"I'd be a poor newspaperman indeed if I didn't know what everybody else knows!"

Hey tony39 - Glad you are here. I hope you realize I was joking about the ice cream being sweeter then you....Take Care silly burrito

Fellow birders,

Enjoyed the marvelous anecdotes of the past 24-hours!

Stinky and I are morning people--usually up before dawn every day year around. Part of our ritual includes walking the neighborhood, picking up the newspapers, checking the planters, etc. All this is being done as the oatmeal is, resting and the coffee is spreading its aroma.

Then we sit at the breakfast table and I turn the breakfast room TV to channel 4 which is our security cameras. As the sun starts rising, the microphones on the cameras start capturing the sounds of our cardinals calling out to one another.

Consider their calls in the context that they are monogamous.

The male calls out, "Here I am, Here I am, I'm so handsome, here I am!" To which his mate replies, "Oh sweetie, yes you are, Yes you are! And, aren't I cute, too?"

That last question recieives the appropriate reply replete with assurances of undying love.

And then the process repeats itself!

It's marvelous!

Flatus,
What a wonderful way to start the day.
Sounds like you and Stinky have figured out what's important in life. It's the little things that count. And mornings have always been my favorite too. It always feels like another chance to get it just right.

"racist label, "white guy" --"

Madam - I too am a 'Incredible Shrinking White Guy".

"This is the west, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."

Burrito
Oh yes and keep making us laugh!!! Between you and Patsi last night I scared my poor dogs off the sofa with all my laughing.I even had the ice cream and they still wen't off to there beds!!! Then Craig reminded me about SNL and the laughs continued....Burrito silly love it........

"I think Obama is a phony." Patsi 7:26 am

Patsi,

I usually go through the posts backwards and when I saw your 7:26 post, the first thing I thought was that you may have just perfectly summarized why the working class doesn't like obama.

All those words that have been written and said to analyze why Obama can't connect with the 'working class" and you just said it in four words.

- Obama is a phony -
and the working class can spot one a mile off.

PM.

I read your early morning (4:53 AM) comment regarding our current candidate, and his calls for 'unity' at the expense of what we have worked towards over the years, and at the cost of the reputations of devoted public servants.

All of this you probably know I already subscribe.

So, the main reason for my comment is to thank you for a word new to me that you use most effectively in a context that absolutely suits it.

The word? Distain.

Words are marvelous things! Thanks, PM!

I scared my poor dogs off the sofa with all my laughing.I even had the ice cream and they still wen't off to there beds!!!
tonyb39 8:52 AM

Tony,
Now you've made me laugh.
Your poor dogs probably don't know what to think. You're sitting there alone, and from their point of view nothing is going on. And suddenly you break out in laughter. Our pets must think we're nuts.

Thanks all for the info on the birds...one of life's greatest treasures...reminds me of the Kerry/Bush debates in 2004. At that time, the bird flu was THE re-election topic. And both candidates were going to supply the world with enough vacine to save us all!

Politics as usual or perhaps a bit more painful this year. I know watching Mr. Magoo (McCain) is very painful for me.

I think "unity" is being called for, in order to take control away from the Republicans and win back the White House.

This is a "Big Picture " arena the Democrats are playing to win.

Vote Barack Obama ' 08

peace~

I realize I am Irish and have a vindictive streak when I am wronged. Posted by: jane | June 29, 2008 6:28 AM

Jane, I think Craig said he's part Irish too.

Chloe
I think what do the dogs think is really going on?Its apparent that they get frightened but really they have the same reaction when I go off every time GWB is on the tube!!!HA ,but most times I get to the remote quickly and then were all happy!!

For the Irish among us:
http://www.thestate.com/local/story/446685.html

The story talks about the hundreds of Irish who died building a canal in my part of South Carolina.

The Irish were used because they were expendable whereas trained slaves were 'investment' assets.

Someone some where wrote a pretty good piece saying perhaps unity is the wrong word and the Democrats should try "solidarity" instead.

I can't find the link but the premise was "unity" implied giving up too much of the differrences whereas "solidarity" meant standing together inspite of the differernces.

KGC, doesn't solidarity take us back to unionism?

found it

Solidarity is more than compromise, and shouldn't be mistaken as such. At its core is respect: respect for people and their experiences, respect for possibility, respect for the not-yet-known. It doesn't require assimilation (which must always contain some degree of erasure) and it belies two-dimensional (black and white) thinking.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/3/14456/5254

Katherine,
I like that. Solidarity. Unity almost sounds like surrender. Like, you don't agree with us, but we won, so get on board.

Solidarity sounds more like let's get together and work out our differences. Taking into account that there are differences.

Good point KGC

They need to use whatever word will satisfy those voters who don't want to support the Democratic Party and/or Barack Obama.

I can bet they will use them all....but in the end the goal remains the same....

Kind of funny, to think that a single " word" can change peoples perception of a situation that in all reality remains the same.

One parting word :

Dutton Peabody: [during voting for the territorial convention]
I'll have the usual, Jack.

Jack, Barman:
The bar is closed, Mister Editor, during voting.

Dutton Peabody:
Bar's closed?

Tom Doniphon:
You can blame your lawyer friend. He says that's one of the "Fundamental laws of democracy." No exception.

Dutton Peabody:
No exceptions for the working press? Why, that's carrying democracy much too far!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQgFRiDqnEs

Flautus

Not as a philosophy in the abstract. I guess because of the association with the Polish trade unions it could be more of a trademark word.

It would be interesting to know what actually will be the tipping point for those who are not currently supporting Barack Obama? (excluding McCain supporters)

Will it be a catch phrase, a commercial, an interview, a news event....

Kind of funny, to think that a single " word" can change peoples perception of a situation that in all reality remains the same.
unlikely_burrito 9:29 AM

Yes Burrito. Like Flatus said: "Words are marvelous things! "

Nick.... In my opinion, I think there will be unity for most people. Especially people, who understand what is at risk for our country this general election.

If I understand you correctly, you will never support Barack Obama...( ? ) Can I ask you if you are suppporting or voting for John McCain?

Dutton Peabody

Run into Rance Stoddard lately?

Drat!

If have to learn to read ahead. You all had the Liberty Valence conversation already.

Dutton -- As I read your last post, I guess you are gone for the time. But may I say, as a long time feminist and one who, I might add, marched for Civil Rights in 1964 -- do not try to beat me over the head with Roe V Wade OR with Emmett Till. And I didn't need the history lesson. I'm quite aware of that tragedy.

But since you are into history, remember Stokley Carmichael's statement: "The only position for women in the movement is prone."

Nick | June 29, 2008 10:00 AM

ditto

UB said, "It would be interesting to know what actually will be the tipping point for those who are not currently supporting Barack Obama? (excluding McCain supporters)"

Nice question/point.

In my mind it would involve expressed, apparently sincere and heartfelt, contrition that he, and people acting in his name, maligned the Clintons, mischaracterized their contributions to the Democratic Party and the American people, inappropriately injected racism and sexism into the campaign, etc.

I simply cannot see myself returning so long as the thrust of the message I receive from his campaign is "Suck it up, you lost. Get with the program or we'll trample you. Show that you are a genuine American and a Real Democrat, etc."

Nick,
Do you think John McCain is racist as well?

I am really curious, because my exposure to racism is very minimal.

Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it.
Nick 9:37 am - Yes

Bill CLinton said all I need to ever know about Obama.
"SInce when have we ever elected a man with 1 year experience in the Senate".
He has been campaigning ever since and has never ever honored his commitment to his committee post on Afghanistan.
I stand with you Nick, never will he get my vote. My write in for Hillary will not count. But at least I am being honest to myself.

Flatus - "In my mind it would involve expressed, apparently sincere and heartfelt, contrition that he, and people acting in his name, maligned the Clintons, mischaracterized their contributions to the Democratic Party and the American people, inappropriately injected racism and sexism into the campaign, etc."

I beleive that is exactly what you will see weaved throughout Barack Obama campaign.

"And both candidates were going to supply the world with enough vacine to save us all!

Politics as usual or perhaps a bit more painful this year. I know watching Mr. Magoo (McCain) is very painful for me. "

ROFL, BlondeW!!!!!!

Ii'd forgotten about the bird flu issue! And yes, watching McCain is very painful. The sad thing for me is knowing damn well that no matter which of these clowns is elected, somebody else is going to be running things.

It won't be so obvious as your thoughts, but things will be said to ease the hurt and heal the wounds....

They are after-all politicians...this is what they do over an over everyday.

NEW THREAD

Morning Nick

Chloe I knew there was some reason I so bonded with Craig.
Flatus thanks for sharing that information on the canal.As a people we have surely been exploited as have many other groups. It has probably created in us a certain mindset.

By the way, Burrito -- Good piece on your decision to support Obama. I hope no one thinks that my mistrust of the man and his tactics means I consider Hillary's backers voting for him is somehow "traiterous."

I truly believe that's a decision everyone must make. My son is about half pissed at me for my unwillingness to do my usual Dem Party two-step with the bumper stickers, yard signs and campaigning in the neighborhood -- let alone my decision to write-in Hillary. And my son was a Hillary voter. :)

And -- I've promised myson and another friend here that if -- IF -- in the last days before the election, polls say TN is a potential win for the Democrats, I'll probably hold my nose and vote for the man....

WC Fields released on a record LP that "carrying democracy too far" punchline about a closed bar on voting day at least prior to 1946 when he died on christmas day, but probably sometime in the thirties or whenever it was that he was riding high, relatively speaking, with his radio appearances with Edgar Bergen and Charlie McCarthy.

Okay, Rolling Stone fans will hate this but I am going to say that Jann Wenner is a racist. Flat out racist. I always knew he was sexist, but I'm now adding racist to the list.

He's on Reliable Sources saying the reason he's been putting Obama on the cover of all his magazines (even before the primary was over) was because of the historical aspect of the candicacy.

He then said, "no explanation necessary."

Translation: he's black.

Meaning: a female candidate is NOT historic.

Secondary meaning: Jann has a crush on Obama.

New Thread.
In case anyone missed it.

NEW THREAD

By the way, Burrito -- Good piece on your decision to support Obama. I hope no one thinks that my mistrust of the man and his tactics means I consider Hillary's backers voting for him is somehow "traiterous."

I truly believe that's a decision everyone must make. My son is about half pissed at me for my unwillingness to do my usual Dem Party two-step with the bumper stickers, yard signs and campaigning in the neighborhood -- let alone my decision to write-in Hillary. And my son was a Hillary voter. :)

And -- I've promised myson and another friend here that if -- IF -- in the last days before the election, polls say TN is a potential win for the Democrats, I'll probably hold my nose and vote for the man....

Posted by: Patsi | June 29, 2008 10:18 AM

Patsi that's fair enough and I'm glad to read it !!!

Hugs to you

Tom

I am shocked by the treatment our best two-term president endured during this campaign. First of all Bill Clinton faced impeachment over having sex with an intern and George Bush has gotten away with murder.

Second, Bill was absolutely right in stating what the rest of felt at the time. Obama didn't have a chance in hell to be the president of the United States. Obama's campaign was a fantasy at the time Bill said that.

Third, the fact that African Americans turned on him after being called racist over one comment, forgetting all he had done for blacks in his two-term presidency. I want to know who is racist when the vote is 92% to 8% for Obama.

Fourth, the treatment of the First Lady just because she was a women really brought out the treatment of women in general.

Fifth, what they both had to endure when Barack Obama claimed victory and acting like the nominee before he was declared the nominee.

Sixth, every time I said "gotcha" when shocking stories came out. It turned out he was the chosen one and the media did everything in their power to say we will report only the bad about the Clintons and ignore anything about Obama except for Fox News.

Seventh, to have Hillary lose the nomination over half votes and giving delegates to someone who wasn't on the ballot has made many of us feel like this is a repeat of the 2000 and 2004 elections.

Eight, People who wouldn't be where they are if it weren't for the Clintons putting them in their administration turning on them the way they did in endorsing someone with no experience at all.

No wonder women are furious. We had to endure the constant misogyny of Hillary. We also were angry at women pundits who think attacking women make them one of the boys was unbelievable.

The way the media picked the nominee has got us all furious. Feeling like our votes were just an exercise and nothing more is not a good feeling in a Democracy.

Being from Arizona, I know that McCain is a crook. Our own governor was impeached for the very same acts. This man is the worst choice for many reasons. McCain does not deserve to be the president of this United States. McCain does not deserve an "ancient history".

Many women and men who voted for Hillary in the primaries are planning on demanding that Hillary be on the first ballot at the convention. If that does not happen things could get very ugly in Denver. It won't be a repeat of '68 but what happens after the convention is going to be history making in the way Hillary voters cast their votes.

Many Hillary Clinton voters really feel that she is being forced to back Obama but secretly wants us to carry on to Denver. With the "Million Voter March" being planned in all 50 states our voices will be heard.