Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Craig,

Definitely an interesting tool for "political junkies".

Thanks to CQ staff for the ongoing efforts to keep
us all informed.

Enjoy the weekend

what a great map!

I'm calling Ohio 16 for the Democrats.
It will be the first time in over 50 years but I believe without a strong Republican incumbent it will be done.

Both current Rep Regular and his predecessor Frank T Bow (who looked just like the banker in Monopoly) enjoyed the full and complete support of the companies that made the area a company town. Those companies are gone and the financial support for Republicans is gone too.

The only thing that could be a problem is top of the ticket issues.

Response to Jamie from yesterday: The Viola Gibson shelter IS operated by the Red Cross so your first instincts were correct: Donations to the Red Cross would be the best. Thank you for asking!

"In a sordid act of power consolidation designed to reward and police Chicago politics and protect Obama (that includes all of Obama's associations), the DNC is movng to Chicago. Oh that is just wonderful too....LOL. This is the right signal to show the country just how centrist the Democrats are? Yeah, right. Or should I say yeah Wright?
......Soon our politics and Press will be a consolidated arm of partisan politics. Next our educational system will become partisan and the dumbing down of future generations willbe complete. Split the ticket and save the Democrats." Posted by: Maxtrue http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/06/dem-vp-madness-heats-up.html#comment-102367

Max, it is soooo good to see your back!
This site needs you.

The latest ad from Floyd "Willie Horton" Brown:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbsihrdn-_s

Dog -- I understand you have a disdain for NOW and other organizations and individuals who worked on your behalf for many years. But that link I sent includes links to many specific instances. A closed mind is a scary thing.

Dems delegate fight turns ugly

"So much for party unity: As Florida Dems prepare for Saturday's Jefferson-Jackson dinner aimed at bringing the party "together once and for all," a spat over the Obama campaign's decision to replace some already-designated Florida delegates with Obama backers has intensified."

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2008/06/dems-delegate-t.html

LOL
This is starting to be funny.
Dog, are you starting to get a clue here. We have moved on.
You are starting to sound like someone who opposes evolution. In fact you are using much the same tactics.
As far as I'm concerned the proof is out there for any thinking person to see. Believe it or not it is your choice.

Jack

People can always put up links to defend their asssertions on the issues. However , it depends on the sources they come from and whether or not people wanna believe those sources. You know , whether the sources are stating actual facts or just their opinion. Sorta like if I went to a Pro-Obama site and then listed 10 reasons why he should be our next President and tried to sway people here by posting that. Or if I went to an anti-Obama site and then listed 10 reasons why he shouldn't be our next President and tried to sway people here by posting that.

Yeah, if you have a problem with misogyny in the media, here is an easy solution- turn off the TV.

The fact that misogynist appeals work at all calls contempt on the easily manipulable general public, not the media.

Tenn. SuperD Delays Endorsement

"He is withholding his endorsement of Obama while he prepares to face a Republican challenge for his conservative “swing” district that overwhelmingly supported Obama’s rival.

Fred Hobbs, a state Democratic Party Executive Committee member representing part of Davis’ district, said he understands why Davis is not endorsing Obama and is “skeptical” of the Illinois senator himself.

In Tennessee, Davis is not the only Democratic superdelegate withholding their endorsement of the party nominee."

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/06/14/tenn-superd-delays-endorsement/#more-289

Straight Man Accidentally Sees "Sex and the City":
"Terrifying" Experience

A self-styled heterosexual man from Akron, Ohio, said today that he was "traumatized" over the weekend after attending a showing of the new Sarah Jessica Parker film "Sex and the City."

Clinton Delegate Defecting to McCain

"She said she planned to vote for Clinton at the convention, but in an Obama-McCain match-up in November, “I will not be voting for Obama. I will cast my vote for John McCain."

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/clinton-delegate-defecting-to-mccain/#more-287

Forgot the link-That Terrifying Experience blog is hilarious.
http://www.creators.com/opinion/andy-borowitz.html

"What if one wants to come up with an informed belief?"

I believe the big word in that sentence is "if"

By dismissing Patsi's link without even reading it, you have proved you are not.. You think you have come up with a cute way to argue and that is all you are doing playing cute. If you had read Patsi's link there are several points you could have made. But you didn't so you can't.

The point I am making ( more for those new to the blog) is a number of us have provided this information to you before, this isn't anything new. Just like the creationist infront of the school board you bring up the same demand.
We could dig it all up and go through your endless denials and sometimes just outright silence. But we have done that to many times. I have moved on and I don't care what you believe. That you can't see the facts in front of your face is your problem.

Jack

14 June 2008
Biden for VP?
By Robert Novak

http://patriotpost.us/opinion/entry.asp?entry_id=42859

The troll speaks, what happened did the back channel breakdown?

Jack

Evidence free zone is one of the best lines ever
Straight from Craig Crawford as a description of the
reporting (punditry) on Obama and Clinton.

Good morning all.
I am very concerned about the DNC move to Chicago. It's one thing to have a designated nominee, but it seems quite another to move the entire base of operations ... notwithstanding what anyone may think of Washington "insiders" DC is still the seat of government.

Katherine: Evidence!? We don't need no stinkin' evidence.
Or, don't confuse us with the facts.

"Thank the heavens there's always someone like you around to point it out."

Chloe, I've offended you. For that I apologize.

no need.

chloe: But it's so hard not to read their posts. Kind of like when you have a toothache and you just can't keep from trying to see if it hurts as bad as it did five minutes ago, y'know what I mean?

Max: I always feel a lot better after I read your posts ... knowing I'm not the only one who has these very large doubts.

Champ

"if you have a problem with misogyny in the media, here is an easy solution- turn off the TV."

Would you have said the same thing to a black person when the only thing on TV was Amos and Andy and a few maids?

Good Morning,

Ally - Hope you & yours are still high & dry. I was in Iowa last week & could see it coming. Take Care.

Apparently, nothing else is going on in the world since the passing of Tim Russert. I was surprised that the canonization was still going on this morning. At least they haven't called him the journalistic equivolent of the "peoples' princess"...yet.

Yesterday, someone said nobody knew his political stances. Uh, clearly he was pro-BO. He did add value to politics and, clearly, his collegues loved him. I wonder what he would have thought of the wall-to-wall coverage, though?

Have a good afternoon.

Well, I've got the yard work done, despite over-the-top supervision by Stinky.

Sometime during the middle of the night I'm going to put a giant piece of pork in the monster smoker (an NBBD) in preparation for father's day. Son-in-law and grandson came over and prepped the wood for the 'happening'.

I'll probably light the fire around ten and by midnight it'll be ready. I'll have one of the security cameras focused on the smoker, so all I'll have to do is have the bedroom TV on channel 4 and I'll see how things are going.

Everything should be done around 1400 tomorrow. So, if any of you are in the neighborhood, just follow the smell. Thanks to Craig's new map we'll be easy to find; we're in SC-2.

Good job on the map, Craig, kudos to all involved!

Max - Bravo! BO would, indeed, be an absolute disaster of a prez. W has driven us into a ditch. BO would over-correct the turn and take us into another ditch.

blueINdallas: With a President Obama and a Democratic House and Senate, everything would fall on the Blue Dogs...it might be interesting to watch, if there were not so much at stake.

Blue,

Interesting comment about driving into ditches. I guess McCain would be better because he would blow up the road in front of him so that it was on par with the ditch Bush got us in right?

Since an Obama Presidency seems to be the first sign of the apocalypse, anyone know a good place to buy generators and other staples for survival. Since we are going to get over run by Mexicans and Iranians and I don't want to learn their languages, I want to get ready for a Red Dawn type campaign...

Since CQ has provided a shiny new map, do we have any viable ways to gamble on the results with actual cash?

Flatus,

What kind of smoker do you have? How do you regulate your temperature in there?

Mag,

Several AA I know say this, "Bush screwed up. Give the AA a chance. We have doubts too, but Obama can change. If he messes up, vote him out, but he has earned a chance to lead. America trusted Bush, why not let BO get a shot." And then I feel this discomfort that if I disagree, I am somehow racist because I voted for whites despite my doubts.

I try to explain the seriousness of my doubts and the kinds on nutcases Obama drwas to him. They laugh and repeat their words, adding that Obama isn't responsible for those loonies. They openly admit Obama had those friends to establish cred in Chicago, but think he will kick them to the curb come
January.

I don't buy it. Why relocate to Chicago?

Have to run....

Bear your post is absurd. You claim McCain will blow up the ditch. You are just spouting unsupported characterizations.

No one said Obama would trigger a nuclear war. In fact, you suggest McCain will. I would say that Obama's failures may make us a mess and perhaps buy in bulk now can lower the cost of future goods once protectionism comes. And whe Obama/Pelosi sues OPEC prepare for rising gas prices.

Funny how you imply a disaster if McCain, but laugh at the idea of an Obama disaster. Just look at the problems "talking" and moderates in Pakistan are now causing. But no, these are previews to things a coming.......

And what credibility does Obama have carrying a big stick? Perhaps Wright was right. At the end of the day, Obama will say anything, yes?

"Sometime during the middle of the night I'm going to put a giant piece of pork in the monster smoker (an NBBD) in preparation for father's day. Son-in-law and grandson came over and prepped the wood for the 'happening'. "

Sounds fabulous!

The Question Remains How?

"All fine and good to have noble aspirations but have Obama’s supporters looked at his lack of accomplishments? There is no there. Have you thought about the how? Change is hard work. It is not a series of platitudes. As Joel Stein of the Los Angeles Times noted, “we know that we are being fooled, but we kind of like it.” Funny stuff. Your enjoyment of deception risks my world."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/14/the-question-remains-how/#more-3057

We Are The Ones Song by will.i.am - Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghSJsEVf0pU

Bear, it's one of the New Braunfels Black Diamonds. They are no longer made. Very large, heavy gauge steel, separate heat and smoke chambers. Made for serious barbecuing.

Because the fire is in a separate chamber offset from where the meat is, flare-ups are not a problem. Air flow is controlled by small vents in the fire chamber door. There's also a damper on the chimney at the far end of the smoke chamber.

Have to start the fire a couple of hours early to let the bed of coals get right. I'll be using oak from trees I cut down myself on our own property. I also have some apple wood that'll be ready in a couple of years.

I'll try to achieve a fairly constant temperature of around 220-deg F. When it comes time to replenish the fire chamber, I'll have a batch of coals already prepared in a separate fire box.

It'll be ready when the internal temperature is at least 165-deg.

If you leave now, you can be here in time for the morning shift!

"his egoist flatulence"

Max, careful now.

Flatus

Sounds like the design that a friend of mine used years ago for a large smoker. He built it on a trailer. He bult an insulated box the size of a refrigerator with the door to the back and built a fire box on the the front.It would smoke 2 whole hogs cut up into chunks.

Now that was a party from what I remember.

Jack

Look and sound familiar?

Cabaret - Tomorrow Belongs to Me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdM8PDu6VMg

Jack, that sounds like the same type of arrangement, albeit on a much larger scale.

Memory problems often result from these types of parties.

Flatus,

If I had any kind of welding skill, I would try to build one of those. That's an awesome design I was going to buy one until I saw a well made unit is at least $300...instead I have to settle for one of those Brinkman vertical smokers...it does a nice job imparting the smoke but it's a pain in the ass keeping a constant low temp...

On a different note...anyone here every use a tree saw/ pruner before? I need a quick lesson...

Bear
What kind of lesson?

well,

What is purpose of the rope/chain assembly? when you connect the blade to the correct screw, it doesn't move. It is just for control?

I'm asking because it will take me a few minutes to connect the handle to the rope and I'm wondering if it's worth it.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/06/a-map-quest-for-political-junk.html#comment-102406

I don't mean to single you out, Maggi, as I consider you bright and informed...and I always read your posts. But I do think we all need to consider that there may be others on this list who avoid our posts, too. And suggesting to anyone that they avoid reading a particular posters words is nothing more than another way to say 'I don't want my opinion influenced by someone else's opinion.'

Bottom line for me...I'm really weary of the immature digs at those with whom we disagree. This morning I'm thinking specifically of digs at dogseyeview, who is posting very cogent and thoughtful stuff, IMO.

"On a different note...anyone here every use a tree saw/ pruner before? I need a quick lesson..."

Bear, I have one of them. I hate it. Awkward to use and wears me out after a couple of branches. I have better luck using a pruning saw while standing on a ladder.

Now I do have an attachment that fits on my lawn trimmer--you know, the kind where you can mount different attachments like a blower, cultivator, edger, etc.

The attachment is a miniature chainsaw at the end of a four foot extension. It gives an effective reach of close to ten feet, more if you're on a ladder. It really works, and doesn't wear me out.
http://www.troybilt.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/category2_10001_14102_54987_54980_54980_-1

It's listed as the pole saw attachment.

Corey...this one goes out especially for you. Don't think I saw it posted yet. It's a story by a Wall Street Journal reporter whose relationship with his Dad had some (but not all) of the issues that you are so eloquent about on this site. First paragraph is below the link:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121340145879173815.html?mod=todays_us_nonsub_weekendjournal

By KEVIN HELLIKER
June 14, 2008

During my 1960s boyhood, Father's Day was an awkward occasion. It required my brothers and me to express love to a man who considered such talk girlish, and who knew we feared more than liked him. Only for the sake of Mom did Dad and his five boys put on a Father's Day act.

I would love that pole saw but I have all corless yard stuff and I can find the black and decker pole saw. I'm looking on craigs list but nothing...

I'm off to figure this out..

This is my nonpowered saw. The rope works a loping shear on the back side of the saw. It is not needed to work the saw itself. but for small limbs the shear is easier than using the saw, as small limbs tend to bend back and forth with the motion of the saw. I keep the rope on mine because the usefulness of it out weights the getintheway pain inthe ass of it. One way to keep the rope out of the way is to wind it around the pole.

Jack

live and let live

post and let post

like it or don't like it

without various and different opinions this place would be a total bore.

so to disagree is fine, to agree is also fine....I recall Craig speaking of "free speech"

peace~ enjoy

Jack, it sounds as if yours is like mine. I agree completely with your opinion about the saw side of things.

But, I have found one use for the saw. When the halyard for my flagpole comes off the pulley, I use the saw portion to nudge it back in place. It takes the saw, fully extended, a step ladder, and someone to hold the ladder and call 911 if grandpa falls off of it. Works like a champ.

Thanks , LL. I can relate to that. I'm debating about going somewhere peaceful today. I think I need to do that.

Flatus
I also agree with you about the pain it is to use. I like my electric pole saw much better.

As to the flag pole lol@ the image your words placed in my brain.

Jack

HW,
Yes, I tend to read post as a reflex so it is hard to ignore them. My comments towards Dog comes from numerous "facts" I have posted that go unanswered. For instance it is both a fact that Obama says he never suggested talking to Ahmadinejad and the fact he has long been blasted for such a position and refused to respond the way he did several weeks back when launching his new spin on foreign policy. I find it hard to take people claiming they stick to facts, while ignorng them. Obama pandered hard to AIPAC and decalred support of Israel's capital being unified. Then he retracted such a position as though he hasn't had plenty of time understanding that words matter and the issues involved in the Middle East.

I ask Dog to name a new domestic oil production facility that Obama supports. How is it honest to suggest new oil refineries to avoid a windfall tax while preventing new refineries in Congress? Why are all off coast oil sources off limits to the US companies but not to China? What possible sanity is suing OPEC violating US concepts of monopolies?

Few care to engage in factual discourse. Obama supporters don't even want to vet the facts that Edwards and Obama screwed Michigan an hour before the deadline to get Hillary. Nope, many ignore facts, so being a bit irrate about this isn't bad form, is it?

I posted a video on the last thread about the US strike that Pakistan claims was a US mistake. Thje Afghan rebels were clearly operating inside Pakistan with no nearby Pakistan outposts. Obama said he supports this kind of action this but offers not one shred of support to the military and Bush doing just what he advocated. This is foreign policy turned base politics. Gee,...how FDR, Truman, JFK and Reagan of Obama. And Richardson care to comment on the silly notion he predicted about moderates in Pakistan fighting terror? His position and that of Obama has lead to increased casualties for US forces. McCain will blast Obama for that. They are worse than Musharraf so far.

So until Obamaphiles care to discuss facts, those of us who don't support the new Messiah will bring up the fact abyss. Please explain how the new government in Pakistan isn't appeasing the Taliban and costing US lives. And if Obama supported this direction, then isn't he an appeaser enabler?

Nick

Sounds like you have the pruning technique down. I yeild to your superior knowledge

Jack

I can relate Lardie...

Corey

One comment from me.
You are not alone. there are a lot of us out here who have had issues with our fathers. Including both me and my brotherinlaw.

Jack

Nick, sounds as if you got the technique perfected.

We live too far south for good apples, but I was determined to try them. Did get some acceptable fruit, but the trees were mislabeled They were supposed to be dwarf but weren't. It only took a few years before they grew too large for where I planted them, so this winter I took them out.

When I was a kid, we had 20-acres of apples on the farm. Too much of a good thing. It's only in the past few years that I'm able to really enjoy them again.

Ok,

I figured out the saw and the lopping tool...New saw head went through a foot wide piece in just a couple of minutes... The lopper just ate up anything that could fit into its nook...

After a couple of branches lopped, I started yelling Freedom in homage to Mel Gibson meeting with Britney...lol

Greetings from the desert:

Great map, Craig. Thanks. It's the electoral college that we'll be watching from here on out not the national polls as they're only marginally helpful, not to mention unreliable. As a tribute to Tim Russert: "Florida, Florida, Florida."

OK, back to bashing each other!

."New saw head went through a foot wide piece in just a couple of minutes."

Bear, I just have to know, a foot wide piece of what, he asked, in awe.

Max,

"Obama said he supports this kind of action this but offers not one shred of support to the military and Bush doing just what he advocated."

This happened 2days ago. Of course he hasn't commented and if he did what chance has there been to make the headlines with all the other news. That's crazy as usual.

Max,
"His position and that of Obama has lead to increased casualties for US forces. McCain will blast Obama for that. They are worse than Musharraf so far."

Richardson position and Obama.? What's all the crap about?

Nick, some of the legacy fruits and vegetables are truly superior to anything you can find in the store. Your delicious is probably one of those.

Of the common store fruits, I will buy Cameo when it's on sale. I also like Braeburn. Stinky likes Fuji best, but I prefer something a little more tart. Store bought Reds don't entice me.

South Carolina is excellent peach country--we grow more here than does Georgia. We had some excellent ones this week for 99 cents a pound. The birds always have first crack at ours.

Max,

You would like people here to engage you. It's near impossible.

You pop in here every once in a while with 10 different arguments(questions ) in one post and expect someone to comment. (dog's point noted) I have been critical of your style of posting from day 1. I think you may recall me being "rabid".

You don't do this at SF. They'd ostracize you there to.If you hoping for dialog please stick with one or two issues to conclusion. Until then, last many I skip your rants too.
Jmo

Max -- I don't see this recent Pakistan clusterf*** as being particularly relevant. First of all, I think Obama sometimes says merely what he thinks will go over. Secondly, he'll end up doing what Kerry, Daschle, Hart and the telecommunications boys tell him to do, anyway.

Same old same old. Nothing new here. Not dangerous, just innefectual.

flatus,

tree branch

"tree branch"

Bear, I would give up on anything more than a couple of inches in diameter. One foot--I'm speechless!

I don't agree with a lot of what Tim Wise has to say in this opinionated article he wrote:

"An Open Letter to Certain White Women Who Are Threatening to Withhold Support from Obama in November

Your Whiteness is Showing"

http://www.counterpunch.org/wise06072008.html

Although I think he's one of the "suffers white guilt" crowd and here HE is lecturing white women who say they will support McCain in the Fall, there is a quote that has me thinking:

"Your threats are not about standing up for women. They are only about standing up for the feelings of white women, and more to the point, the aspirations of one white woman. So don't kid yourself. If you wanted to make a statement about the importance of supporting a woman, you wouldn't need to vote for John McCain, or stay home, thereby producing the same likely result--a defeat for Obama. You could always have said you were going to go out and vote for Cynthia McKinney. After all, she is a woman, running with the Green Party, and she's progressive, and she's a feminist"

I did 7 months in 77 as a tree cutter on staten island.......all chain saws................actually i was "ground man" with the bull line and the tag line while gregory was up in the tree dropping the limbs......

well........he tied off and lopped off the limbs which I then gracefully guided with the tag line and lowered with the bull line to the ground without bldg damage..........

Following up on something Tim get's totally wrong in my book, he writes:

"How is it that you have managed to hold your nose all these years, just like a lot of us on the left, and vote for Democrats who we knew were horribly inadequate--Kerry, Gore, Clinton, Dukakis, right on down the uninspiring line--and yet, apparently can't bring yourself to vote for Barack Obama?"

The answer is simple... not all of us were holding our noses first of all, and in those races there was not a viable female candidate running. Tim's obliviousness to how women would view the DNC's actions, the MSM, and the sexism. The bias was too strong and the passions of NOW, Gloria Steinem (who said on TV the other day that we have to work hard to elect Barack Obama) and Maya Angelou made Hillary supporters really believe this was their turn.

And I believe if Hillary is not offered the VP slot, women will continue to back away in large numbers from the nominee. The sense of gender bias is too personal, just like racial bias is too personal for blacks.

I am tired.. will go to sleep soon.

one grasp of iron, the other of steel........no rope slips on my watch..........

My last post was kind of choppy... Not my best.

it's actually more of a grip than a grasp.........

did I mention "vice-like"?

a little chop helps the tunnel boat to fly.

google earl bentz

earl learned from the inestimable and irreplaceable D.F. Jenkins who used to while in high school football drink a half pint of hiram walker during half-time..........

About those pesky gas prices, here are so tips that can make your car more fuel efficient and save you money:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/FEG/driveHabits.shtml

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/FEG/maintain.shtml

I will add another link in another post

I mean.....it had a hiram walker label, but since it was procured from Mr. Widdegan, it coulda been damn near anything........

Sturg,

You're blogging in blank verse! Don't believe I've ever seen that before.

I particularly like this one:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/FEG/planning.shtml

Planning and combining trips, ride shares, car pooling, public transport.

In my opinion, high gas prices give us all the opportunity to reconnect with our friends, neighbours and family communally. Going together to do the shopping, and other errands will not only save gasoline but bring us closer together.

Anyway this is worth a read. The most important thing is that we all reduce our energy consumption, not just because of the prices, but also because of the effect on Spaceship Earth. It's always interesting to learn what happens on "bicycles only" days in Brussels. The air becomes incredibly cleaner in short order...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsK09s3yTjk

all day long mr widdegan would sell a bunch of us jokers within biking distance mary janes, bubble gum, cokes and honey buns and then at night he'd sell our older brothers re-bottled whiskey.........

he was a crass old bastard and his wife had a pronounced mustache and hairy legs.......

years later long after she died they found him dead in his trailer, outside the store........

there's probably no verse as blank as mine..........

I'm off to bed...

my barber.......I see him every 6 months or so whether i need it or not.......his neighbor in the next chair over remembers our bands back in what we delightfully call the heyday of low country "beach music" when we played on the Isle of Palms beachfront pavillion called "Art's New Seaside" back in the mid-sixties.....backed up and opened for Gary US Bonds, Maurice Williams, Lee Dorsey, the Tams, Eighteen sets of Drifters, the Hully Gully Olympics, the Dixie Cups, Huey "Piano" Smith and the Clowns.......yup......well this barber next to my regular chair gives me a set of 5 CD's of the music he's put together of that dinosaur age................and here I thought I'd given up the idea of nostalgia........

bend over, let me see you shake a tailfeather........

Sturg

Victurus te saluto

I left one in the shop to play on an infinite loop......left one with me old brudda who was in the band, gave one to Bumpsie.......gonna leave one here at the homeport and the other goes to Dr. Rhino to play while he beats on the drum in his furniture refinishing shop.......

Is god altruistic?

victi vicimus

"Most recent polls say just the opposite is happening. You shouldn't confuse the gang around here as being typical of the electorate. "

The younger age range who were for Sen. Clinton have moved. The 40 + numbers still say "no way". It will take Senator Clinton to get them to move either by being on the ticket or being very obviously supportive in such a way as to bring them on board. It won't stop them from being massively pissed at the DNC or suspicious of Sen. Obama's capabilities and the consolidation in Chicago. The party may finally get their votes but it won't get their time or money.

as molly ivins was fond of sayin' "ya gotta dance with them what brung ya"........Hillary and Bill took me to the dance after Carter's well-intentioned try and then interminable years of reagan, and bush.........talk about "ponderous".........reagan bush........oy.

well.......i went to the dance with bill and hillary ...............
so......since this is a representative democracy, I will give my political proxy to Hillary and Bill Clinton...........so she has it and that's that. That which ms clinton says, I say......"As you wish". If at sometime in la futura I should lose faith in you much as Luddie lost his faith in Nappy....then at that time......yer on your own.......
for now...........Hillary......knock 'em dead, Im witcha, old girl........keep yer powder dry.

...Happy with the picture , but you were due the picture and the frame...

brain......yer gots no bidness calling anyone creepy......it's really creepin' me out........hard to find anyone creepier than you, lad...........so just rejoice in your own brand of creepy and let others make the call......I mean......if you want to...........

but i gotta admit.....it's EGREGIOUS to steal drugs from your own charity.........

(how many points do I get for "egregious", again?)

besides......the post above..........goddammit, you signed a damned pact to never mention her name again.......look to the future you said.......I know.....I speculated upon the shelf life of that modest proposal.....i'm a cynic, I have the right.......but you didnt have to cave within 3 days, did you?

we were laying over in taos........a 3 day consolation gig for haviing the week off........this very inebriated (and very intimidatingly huge) native american called out everyone in the bar.......stood and challenged for a long time and finally the whitebread security detail came and hustled him very gently but firmly to the door.....his last words before and in the door were: " You're all a bunch of POOSIES". emphasis on "poo". we were staring at the aftermath when this native american whom I later learned was Red Tailed Hawk, native american artist from Taos Pueblos (I know......there's a dozen native american artists who call themselves Red Tailed Hawk)

anyway, he leaned over to our table and said......."You Anglos get that translation?"

It is with undisguised and unmitigated glee that I hereby and irrevocably dash the tablet of Lardo's 3 post rule upon the rocks of Crawfordslist's breakwater jetties........may the sheepsheads rejoice.......and feed upon the crumbs of fishmeal tablets........

in the future i shall become the producer of a series of westerns starring actors not over three and one half feet tall.........I will thereby become famous, and you all will still be looking to afford baloney sandwiches........

Revenge is sweet.

And for doing that, sturg, you get the grand prize. claim it here:

http://presidentialpenis.org

flaterus.......i punched that link and it took me to the top of the page.....which is ok, i suppose, but it took away some of the joy i felt i would experience lording the grand prize over my neighbors.......

Oh well, if you're disappointed with it, just pass it on.

my aunt would never sit still if she knew i admitted to disappointment with a gift.........I must with all my heart embrace your empty gesture.........lol

you folks from the low country are so polite.

in everything short of knives and guns low countriers are yes, extremely polite.......it's a curse.........

you and the canadians...cursed

flatus....you might like this.......called CRACKER CULTURE by University of Alabama Press.......i forget the guy's name.....but Mc something......Scotch Irish and celtic influence in the old south.........

http://www.amazon.com/Cracker-Culture-Celtic-Ways-South/dp/0817304584

Yes, sturg, I would like that. So many folk take the term cracker wrong. There are Ohlfahrts in Scotland and Ireland, and, like my great grandfather, many emigrated to this country.

Ah, there it is:
Cracker Culture: Celtic Ways in the Old South by Grady McWhiney

yeah....our old dude came in 1738 from westphalia......at the age of 18.......got married in fayetteville and put a family cemetary on the map in merriwether county georgia.....and me old ninety yr old great great grammer rode a mule 90 miles across georgia .........when the old dude died.....to bunk in with her son.......

ordered and on the way...9-bucks plus postage

i got america creds........my immediate ancestories fought in the revolution, the civil, the WW 1, and the WW 2.............both in the south pacific and the europa......the only thing I aint got is a bunch of greeks raising hell in troy........

Conflicted Conservative Black Republicans

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20080614/Black.Conservatives.Obama/

my gg came via canada and from there to oil city pa and then on two cleveland where he was a bricklayer in the blast furnaces. died young from lung disease...management didn't want their furnaces sitting idle, so as soon as they were bearable they sent the bricklayers in to redo the furnace linings. better than starving in ireland.

me old da could lay a brick.........

and that is NOT to reference his sexual proclivities......

Flatus

I may have to pick up that book just because of this paragraph in the review

"The many marraiges between whites of Celtic ancestry in the South and AmerIndians (leading to both whites of some Indian ancestry and members of Indian nations, such as Cherokee chief John Ross) "

There is a family out of Maryland and Virginia named Rose. My ancestor is Rueben Rose who is described in current records as "swarthy". On his tombstone, his daughters listed his grandparents as his parents. It is assumed that he may have been at least a quarter Indian as the Rose and Ross lines got all mixed up during that time period in the early 1700s. Can't prove anything, but still interesting.

we kinda lost family track when me old da moved from b'ham to chasson in 42 to woik in the shipyahds.........i've since gained some knowlege but it wasnt "table lore" when I came of age.......strange stuff.........

Sturgeone

Your family sounds like mine. If there was a fight somewhere, I probably had an ancestor there looking for trouble.

When the cherokees via trail of tears moved into Oklahoma, one of my ancestors, cherokee/scotch ancestry became territorial governor of Oklahoma

Jamie,

Exploring history is a wonderful endeavor. The non-Ohlfahrt side of the family came over in 1636 from England to Connecticut and then down to Long Island. I've been trying to find which side that branch was on in the Revolution. Finally found the cemetery where one of my known relatives is buried and he was most assuredly on 'our' side.

Whenever I go by one of the bookstores I go through what's on the bargain tables. There are always treasures there.

my grandfadder's dad, a horse soldier as a young man in alabama cavalry during the late unpleasantness died near the turn of the C in chambers county ala as sherrif............

i mean....that's cool, but I just remembered Craig's forebears who made whiskey and I feel a bit somehow deficient in the cool shit department...........

does not matter..........cool shit will work it's way out iin the wash.......

OLIVER WISWELL......the revolution from the tory viewpoint.......Kenneth Roberts

Mostly watchin' U.S. Open Round 3 tonite, but still readin' you guys. Nothing valuable to say from these quarters. So just saying hi.

Carry on, mates!

but i gotta admit.....it's EGREGIOUS to steal drugs from your own charity.........

(how many points do I get for "egregious", again?)

Posted by: sturgeone | June 14, 2008 5:52 PM

None, you lose points. 1 week moratorium, buddy.

By far the best version

Eric Clapton - Layla (Unplugged)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4i-cOv69tw

Jack

Around the time they were restoring the Statue of Liberty. Everybody was trotting out their Ancester/statue of liberty story. I told a friend on mine that my ancesters had been in this country so long that we were still argueing if the Statue of Liberty was art..
My paternal line had to leave Wales in a hurry, went to Franceand from there to Va. From there they headed to the hills and as time went on through Tenneesee to Missouri Ozarks.where my ancestor bought a farm in the Ozarks in 1843.

Jack

"he leaned over to our table and said......."You Anglos get that translation?""

ROFL, Sturge!

"My paternal line had to leave Wales in a hurry, went to Franceand from there to Va."

How funny, Jack....according to the family historian on my dad's side, that crowd left France (Normandy) in a hurry, and went to Wales after five brothers took part in a serf rebellion. They later came to America through the Carolinas.

one of me favorite cats from high school.....orin patrick......died this week.......cancer, 62............welsh.......his mom told his dad that if he didnt get out of the coal mines she was packing up the kids and leaving.......they got all they could get and headed for florida......ran out of money on Johns Island SC and this is where that leg of their family set foot........

besides.......show me a human, and I'll show you "creepy"...........

Have to disagree, Jack. Nothin' like the real thing:

Derek and the Dominos - Layla

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDo9t53eb1s

Chuck and unidentified white person organist.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juBIH1QJqKw

Lloyd:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhgxVScyZdE

you post them too fast, sturg. got to give time to listen. now trip the light fandango.

Whiter Shade of Pale- Procul Harem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb3iPP-tHdA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw4lliXEoT8

I was trying to find a live version but in every live version they had speeded up the song so much it was not pleasing........

re Jamie's post

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/06/a-map-quest-for-political-junk.html#comment-102523

"Among black conservatives," Williams said, "they tell me privately, it would be very hard to vote against him [Obama] in November."

Race is a factor, a huge factor, and to dismiss it, or ignore it will do no good to anyone. It's like the elephant in the room.
I think it is with us, no matter what happens. Would an Obama win help to heal the racism in our country ? - or will it depend on individuals...It is really sad that race plays a role, when it should be qualifications above anything else.

Personally I could care less what race anyone is, but that may be because I am white, and haven't had the same life experiences as others, based on skin tone.

Louis and Louis.......couple of the bluest.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0V4NRBQ7as

dont worry.....i think im thru......the xanax is kicking in......

What clashes here of wills gen wonts, ostrygods gaggin fishygods!

This morning we were a victim of a drive by flagging
darn neighborhood going to heck
Read about it on my blog.
http://showyourgarden.blogspot.com/

And happy flag day.

Jack

Brekkek Kekkek Kekkek Kekkek! Koax, Koax, Koax! Ualu, Ualu, Ualu! Quaouahu! Where the Baddelaries partisans are still out to mathmaster Malacyus Migranes and the Verdones...

Lard.....by gum, by golly..........

entbehren solist du! sollst du entbehren

(Sturg...it's all jabberwocky from Finnegans Wake. Just jerkin' your chain. Go to bed. I love you, pal.)

--goethe

You are most definitely the James Joyce of the Low Country.

Highway 17 through the beautiful tidewater marsh. Used to be a gorgeous drive. Now getting screwed by highway widening. Another piece of heaven goes away.

Back to the US Open. Tiger charging?

well, lard, certainment.......por qual else? am I not joycean? cut me do i not bleed? i just cant fiind my copy and could not turn the quick of mind to hie me to the goddam internets..........it's the curse of slow bones and age........

riverrun, old dude......

and bed will happen when horizontal befalls.......no rules needed........

Champ
I guess it is agree to disagree. both are good but I like the unplugged bluesy Clapton.

Nick
the stone work is original to the house the Hobbits door is my fine craftsmanship.
My wife had moved the walk way to the side of the house leaving an ugly hole where the original steps were. I suggested the door as a decorative way to hide the hole. She did the paint job, I did the saw work.

Jack

what color are those irises?

Nick...no...it's not Chopper. It's the most insane/brilliant novelist of the 20th Century: James Joyce. I will never understand him as long as I live, except for Portrait of the Artist as A Young Man now, and maybe Ulysses...if I live to be 80. But Finnegans Wake...never...

Sturge...I'm honoring you, not challenging you. Screw Google. Sleep, brother, sleep...

Nick...by the way...thanks for the shout out to Chopper. He loves you for it. I let him off the leash for the first time today in a big dogpark...and he did great, even with dogs as big as a Great Dane. He's snoozin' now!
What a great dog.

as much as I like all of you I'm going to shut down the computer for a while and hang out with the wife.

Later Jack

lardo....relax old pardner.....not a bit of friction........sleep that knits the ravelled sleeve of care will drop when the gods opt..........not a problem.....

oh, also .......if i had a millium bucks I'd invest it best I could and give a substantial portion of the profits to have been iin the same room as vonnegut......one of those damn things.........

Sturge...
David Remnick was eating a fucking iceburg-lettuce salad or something two tables over and didn't even look up or look around when Vonnegut's name was mentioned. I watched. Closely.

That pretty much pissed me off at him forever. I don't give a damn how great an editor he is.

I love Kurt Vonnegut.

Goddamn, Sturge...your command of Shakespeare could make me go gay. Not...that....there's...anything wrong with that.

Ravelled sleeve of care....

I was walking around and came across my wife in the rocking chair looking at TV...........I said, "If you're going to sit in my great grandmother's Brumby Lady's Rocker, the least you could do is show her great grandson a small measure of respect......"

She just looked at me, and then the cat wanted more food.

http://www.brumbyrocker.com/

Nick. You are most certainly one of the best people who has ever popped up here. I hope you stick around. You're the best.

I discovered a whole infinite world when I discovered vonnegut.........it was like Hemingway and fitzgerald and Heller and Faulkner, and salinger cubed.

"When the cherokees via trail of tears moved into Oklahoma, one of my ancestors, cherokee/scotch ancestry became territorial governor of Oklahoma"

Julie -- My mother was born in Oklahoma Territory...1906.

I was quite beside myself that I was able to run into such absolute astoundity on my own........i mean with the help of a teacher or two.........

I had a flat tire on my trailer in oklahoma oncet.......I told them i was from nashville and they helped me pretty good........

they told me i could pay half if i would keep Pouponne d'fleur, my sweet little half malamute, half australian cattle dog, confined in the trailer......

Patsi

What part? That was still Indian Territory in 1906 and not a state until 1910..

julie

Sturge , will these western full of actors not over three and one half feet be making any sequels? Might I suggest a remake of of a Clint Eastwood movie? You could call it "Hang 'Em Not So High".

Lewis Grizzard got the credit for first sequel name:....."Shoot Low Boys, they're Riding Shetland Ponies".

"I had a flat tire on my trailer in oklahoma oncet.......I told them i was from nashville and they helped me pretty good........"

ROFL, Sturge...

Julie -- I'm thinking it would have been fairly close to the Kansas border, because my grandparents were moving from SW Kansas. But they came back to KS not long after Mom was born, because that's where their family support system was.

"Lewis Grizzard got the credit for first sequel name:....."Shoot Low Boys, they're Riding Shetland Ponies".

Damn, Sturge...now you've got me trying to think what Opry guy used to use that line all the time....

I saw Dodge City and Boot Hill in '63........I never knew what to think, especially after seeiing parking meters in front of the Alamo, until I heard Peggy Lee doing Lieber and Stoller's "Is that all there Is?"

A friend of mine who is white , married a woman who is Navajo. He visited the reservation when they were dating. They had a group picture taken. I looked at the picture and said , "One of these things is not like the other...one of these things does not belong!"

patsi.....faron young? or maybe little jimmie dickens......

Leave a few days and see nothing has changed. All you Clintonites are still bitter, forecasting Obama's ultimate demise, even though you were wrong predicting Hillary's ultimate success.

I see Gordo's doing his job finding every lunatic blog entry, while Patsi is screaming "Sexism" "battered" etc. like a idiot savant. Julie Young is still crafting racist posts where Obama is a secret Muslim/Arab plotting to subvert us from within.

I think Lardass and EuroTom are trying to unite as Dems, while the rest are spouting the same ole trash. And by the way Craig, where's the note about Tim Russert? Anything?

Come back in another week or so. Maybe it'll change.

I don't think it was Faron....maybe one of the comedians. I'm going to email Ralph Emery....he'll know.

corey.....winding up from clovis back to denver oncet......i came upon a guy who talked me into going to a wedding in a bar in Roy NM.......anglo guy and a latino lady.........the bar was split in half with the cake in the center.....it looked like "West Side Story" or something.....well, having a command to some degree of spanish I took it upon myself to explore on the spanish side........i could go into it but i received a strong verbal rebuke and went back to the bar and had a great time........

bye bye........bite me.

uh oh.....it just dawned on me that "bite me" might not be acceptable political discourse......not to mention socially adequate opinionating.........well....tough shit....I'll think of that tomorrow........

My friend's wife once told us all that she would never marry a white man. Never say never.

Mr. Democrat ---------------------

For you :

"So while researching into the life of Stokley Carmichael, the mentor of Michelle Obama, the first thing that popped out at me was an amazing similarity between the rantings of Carmichael and the ravings of spiritual mentor to Barack Obama, Jeremiah Wright.

It is no coincidence that both Obamas have an affinity for this black separatist mentality.

Most troubling, and perhaps in Michelle Obama’s eyes most alluring, was his shift away from any alliance whatsoever with anyone white.

Is this a clue to why she chose to be such an active participant in a black separatist white hating and blaming church for 20 years?"

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/14/the-whole-enchilada/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzoNInZ2ClQ

Patsi,

I had two uncles and an aunt born in Indian Territory (Now Rowe, Oklahoma) in 1901 1902 and 1904. The last six children in the family were born in either Siloam Springs, AR or Kansas City, OK.

Joan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pih1hVdflnQ

Lardo

Wikipedia has a fairly comprehensive article on Finnegan's wake, but you really can't "get" a stream of consciousness tone poem filled with puns and twists of language. About as close as you can come to understanding is to just relax and enjoy the sounds while letting the words paint pictures.

Mr. Democrat ---------------------

Another:

Malik Obama confirms his half-brother Barack grew up a Muslim

"Apparently the Obamas of Kenya have been reading those scurrilous emails to which Barack likes to refer, because they have no doubt -- contrary to the claims of the Obama campaign, that the presidential candidate was raised a Moslem. They take that as a given.

As the Jerusalem Post reports, "Barack Obama's half brother Malik said Thursday that if elected his brother will be a good president for the Jewish people, despite his Muslim background. In an interview with Army Radio he expressed a special salutation from the Obamas of Kenya.

It is not clear whether Barack Obama will now disown his half-brother Malik, or throw him under the campaign bus, for acknowledging that shared family background."

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12918.htm

I once made an outline of the "Wake" and it ran to 19 pagers.......

Jann:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i72YM2U7pqs

Sturgeone,

When we were dating my now ex husband had an Italian room mate who was dating a lovely Cherokee girl named Ida Jumping Eagle.

When they got engaged, I ordered a cake decorated for the occasion. It was iced to look like a tomahawk slicing into a pepperoni pizza

Jamie -- both sides of my family entered the country via the Carolina, then moved through Tennessee and up to Illinois. Two great grandfathers joined up in Illinois and were in the Civil War, then on west to Missouri and Kansas.

I actually love SW Kansas, flat and all horizon. Love the space. It's very different now -- used to be that you couldn't drive ten miles without getting a tumbleweed stuck up under your can....

Ha -- that would be "car" (and can, too, now that I think of it....)

Elected Democrats Fleeing Obama

"Nothing personal, Sen. Obama, but our re-election comes first. Barack Obama, for all his attention and primary successes, does not go over so well in a fair number of Democratic lawmakers’ home districts. So it seems there is little chance that some will endorse him for president."

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/elected-democrats-fleeing-obama/

IX. Haze
5. Buffalo Dusk

THE BUFFALOES are gone.
And those who saw the buffaloes are gone.
Those who saw the buffaloes by thousands and how they pawed the prairie sod into dust with their hoofs, their great heads down pawing on in a great pageant of dusk,
Those who saw the buffaloes are gone.
And the buffaloes are gone.

--sandburger

Patsi

I have a good deal of Bob Wills and on two of his songs he does that "shoot low boys" line. You know not really singing, more like that talking thing he did. I do not remember which ones, would have to go back and listen to them all

The way the McCain town hall meeting was done here was invites were sent to local organizations, regardless of political affiliation, then it announced to the public...no tickets needed, but if you wanted the main room you had to wait in line early.

MCCain did not stack the meeting here....maybe more of the people who went to she him were supporters, but tht is just common sense. Just like at the Obama rally most were Obama supporters.

Ah, but the buffalo wallows remain. We farmed on one of them. Best land in the county.

You and me you and me, baby
You and me you and me you and me, baby
You and me you and me you and me, baby
You and me you and me you and me, baby

I'll take the train into the city
Ev'ry mornin'
You may be plain - I think you're pretty
In the mornin'
And some nights we'll go out dancin'
If I'm not too tired
Some nights we'll sit romancin'
Watching the Late Show by the fire

When our kids are grown
With kids of their own
They'll send us away
To a little home in Florida
We'll play checkers all day
Until we pass away

Bet No One Ever Hurt This Bad

Sit by my window and watch the rain
I hear it beating on my window pane
Well, it makes me so sad
Be no one ever hurt this bad

My baby left me and now I'm alone
Wait for a letter and I sit by the phone
Oh, the troubles I've had
Bet no one ever hurt this bad

Since you went away
I can't face the day
And night brings nothing but pain
Thought I could go on
I see that I was wrong
Baby, please come home -
I just can't stand to be alone

Somebody somewhere here my plea
And send my baby back to me
It'd make me so glad
Bet no one ever hurt this bad

Living Without You

The milk truck hauls the sun up
And the paper hits the door
The subway shakes my floor
And I think about you
Time to face the dawning gray
Of another lonely day
Baby, it's so hard
Living without you

It's so hard
Baby, it's so hard
Baby, it's so hard
Living without you

Ev'ry one's got something
And they're out tryin' to get some more
They got something to get up for
Well I ain't about to
Nothin's gonna happen
Nothin's gonna change
Baby, it's so hard
Living without you

It's so hard
Baby, it's so hard
Baby, it's so hard
Living without you

So Long Dad

Home again and the streets are not much cleaner
And the quaint old south side scenery
Is quaint no more
Just older than before
Go up the stairs and down the hallway
To my daddy's door

Your son is home, Dad, and he's found a girl
And she's the greatest girl in all the world
I think you'll like her, Dad, I hope you do
But if you don't that's alright, too
What's new? Do you still work at the drugstore?
Is that true? Still polishing the same floor?
I missed my good old Dad
My but I'm glad to see you

Come and see us, Poppa, when you can
There'll always be a place for my old man
Just drop by when it's convenient to
Be sure and call before you do
So long Dad

I Think He's Hiding

If the Big Boy comes tomorrow
There'll be no more teardrops
There'll be no more sorrow
If the Big Boy comes tomorrow
Will he take you with Him?

Have you been good?
Have you been bad?
If you haven't lived the way you should
You'll wish you had

When the Big Boy brings his fiery furnace
Will He like what he sees
Or will he strike the fire and burn us?
Oh, He's so great
And He's so straight
And you know he's watching

Have you been good?
Have you been bad?
If you haven't lived the way you should
You'll wish you had

Come on, Big Boy
Come and save us

Come and look at what we've done
With what you gave us
Now I've heard it said
That our Big Boy's dead
But I think He's hiding
I think He's hiding
I think He's hiding

Linda

Seven ships without a sail
Seven cats without a tail
Boy, it's weird here
On this spooky old pier tonight
But I'm not frightened `cause I know what it is
Ev'rything is just the same as it was
I'm in trouble because of Linda
She hurt me so badly
She said she'd be here
On our special pier
I lover her

Linda, the carousel's playing
But that merry-go-round
Is bringing me down
`Cause I remember what it meant to you

Linda, Linda
I love you

Laughing Boy

Laughing Boy keep movin'
Keep movin', Keep movin'
Laughing Boy keep movin'
Keep movin', Keep movin'

Find a clown and grind him down
He may just be laughing at you
An unprincipled and uncommitted
Clown can hardly be permitted to
Sit around and laugh at what
The decent people try to do

Laughing Boy keep movin'
Keep movin', Keep movin'
Laughing Boy keep movin'
Keep movin', Keep movin'

Cowboy

Cold gray buildings where a hill should be
Steel and concrete closin' in on me
City faces haunt the places
I used to roam
Cowboy, cowboy - can't run, can't hide
Too late to fight now - too tired to try

Wind that once blew free
Now scatters dust to the sky
Cowboy, cowboy - can't run, can't hide
Too late to fight now - too tired to try

"Ha -- that would be "car" (and can, too, now that I think of it....)"

Get caught in a dust storm and it very well could end up in your can. : )

PLO Member Rashid Khalidi, Obama Mentor

"Obama is lying about the extent of his relationship with Khalidi. The Woods Fund, which Obama co-chaired with Weather Underground pal Bill Ayres, approved grants totaling $70,000 in 2000-2001 to Khalidi’s organization, the Arab American Action Network. And in 2000, Khalidi held a fundraiser for Obama."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/14/plo-member-rashid-khalidi-obama-mentor/

ooops.......all that was supporsed to be on that was Cowboy.........so sue me.

er um.

mama light my candle cause I'm so hard to handle now, yes er um........

--otis redding

any one who answers when they dont have an answer is here-by Sgt. Bilko........

Harry Chapin--Taxi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5dwksSbD34

"Why run a race just to come in 2nd place?"

Corey

I've seen days when second looked damn good.

Everybody tries for first, only a fool expects it. We all get beat one time or another.

Jack

"he does that "shoot low boys" line. "

Julie -- the way I've heard it around here is "Shoot low, Sheriff, she's ridin' a Shetland."

I'm hoping Ralph remembers who used that as his sig line....it's making me crazy.

Look at baseball, the best players only get a hit 1 time out of three.

Jack

Patsi

Yes, just did not finish the line.

But that one time...it's magic! LOL!

Julie....I just meant that the Grizzard line --

Shoot Low, Boys--They're Ridin' Shetland Ponies

is different (just a little) than the one I always heard:

Shoot Low Sheriff, she's ridin' a Shetland.

I wonder where the line really came from. (I love it though, and it works as good advice in a lot of situations....)

There is a sign out in western Kansas along either 24 hwy or 36 hwy, that says " free sagebrush - please take some home"

I love the smell of sagebrush in the predawn hours....

Aw Nick, good one

Let's bring back Rte 66. That was a road. I had a new Chrysler, really fast....went to pass someone--no one in sight coming towards us. The pass really went slow. Pretty soon there was a car coming towards us. I managed to finish the pass. Looked at my speedometer and I was going 120. The guy I was passing was probably going 110. That _was_ a road.

Old smoky is belching like an angry bull. Fire's been started for over an hour and is cooling down now. Will be able to stuff it in about half an hour. If I knew how to stream this video you all could keep an eye on it for me and I could take a nap.

"You just keep defending McCain Patsi. You're very good at it, comes natural to you. "

You've just made my point. You can't comprehend anything after three words.

Nick,

Before my husband died we lived on a farm, and he of course went to the local cafe every morning for coffee with "the boys".. the local character and few others they didn't like were always called usually a bastard.
But the minute he died, of course he was never talked bad about, but "he was a good old boy".. My husband used to laugh about that all the time.
I thought that about that yesterday when Tim died.
Now he is a good old boy, even by those who disliked him and probably thought he was a bastard.

So...how old IS the universe? I've been waiting for someone to answer that question.

Flatus

Now if Sturg could only make than million, we could hire a private jet to pick us all up and go to your house for "Sunday dinner".. or else you will have to send us all a couple of pork chops each... It sure does sound good...

How many hours all total does it have to cook?

"There was no Big Bang , just a big handjob." - George Carlin

Ann Coulter: So does this mean Obama was selected, not elected?

"But now Hillary has won the popular vote in a Democratic primary, while Obambi has won under the rules. In a spectacular turnabout, media commentators are heaping sarcasm on our plucky Hillary for imagining the “popular vote” has any relevance whatsoever.

Hillary’s argument that she won the popular vote is manifestly relevant to that determination. Our brave Hillary has every right to take her delegates to the Democratic National Convention and put her case to a vote.

And yet every time Hillary breathes a word about her victory in the popular vote, TV hosts respond with sneering contempt at her gaucherie for even mentioning it."

http://www.sj-r.com/opinions/x1872699515/Ann-Coulter-So-does-this-mean-Obama-was-selected-not-elected

Julie, I figure about 14-hours--give or take a couple. So plan on being here around noon eastern time. That is a _good_ smelling fire!

doggone Flatus, that is pure torture.

Nat king Cole Route 66 good pics

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbQXalTGu-8

I think Lardass and EuroTom are trying to unite as Dems, while the rest are spouting the same ole trash. And by the way Craig, where's the note about Tim Russert? Anything?

Posted by: Mr. Democrat | June 14, 2008 9:41 PM

Thank you MD. I am trying to unite even while dealing with my own internal disappointment. I've been confused and disappointed that collegial feminists are saying they will vote for McCain as a protest against the DNC process. Believe me, I understand the sentiment (I was saying that a lot earlier until I realized how ridiculous I was being and how it was purely an emotional tantrum I was having cemented in my own form of "grieving" if you will.

Here's something I posted earlier:

I don't agree with a lot of what Tim Wise has to say in his article:

"An Open Letter to Certain White Women Who Are Threatening to Withhold Support from Obama in November

Your Whiteness is Showing"

http://www.counterpunch.org/wise06072008.html

Although I think he's one of the "white guilt" crowd and here HE is lecturing white women about their vote, I've been thinking about what he wrote about voting for a woman:

"Your threats are not about standing up for women. They are only about standing up for the feelings of white women, and more to the point, the aspirations of one white woman. So don't kid yourself. If you wanted to make a statement about the importance of supporting a woman, you wouldn't need to vote for John McCain, or stay home, thereby producing the same likely result--a defeat for Obama. You could always have said you were going to go out and vote for Cynthia McKinney. After all, she is a woman, running with the Green Party, and she's progressive, and she's a feminist"

I have always thought McKinney was odd, but also unfairly targeted by the MSM. I admire her grit and the fact she was able to regain her congressional seat (only to lose it again). But if we really are wanting to vote for a woman, Tim makes a good point. A protest vote in the direction of Ms. McKinney would make a far stronger statement than a movement of "scorch and burn" voting for McCain, who is the antithesis of the values most of us hold dear.

I'm following Jamie's lead who wants to write in Hillary in the Fall but only if the vote won't harm the chances of Mr. Obama carrying Washington State. To vote against Mr. Obama in states where the race is tight would be foolish. Look, I LOVE Hillary and I want her working with Obama. Dog says she thinks Hillary will have a very important role in an Obama administration. If I see something significant my enthusiasm, and those of most feminists, will certainly be jump started, if you will.

Time will tell....

and sorry for my overly long post.

One of my favourite Christine Lavin songs:

WHAT WAS I THINKING?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNdg1f2g5tY

Another one:

BALD HEADED MEN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuR2IELrF30

These girls have created amateur videos using Christine's song... Still worth a look and the songs are great.

My boyfriend being interviewed regarding "bears" and his drawings

If you understand Italian, ok, but otherwise you can see how he looks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHF7ETt1cfk

Sorry, typo, 6th paragraph:

"Yes. I have issues with some of McCain"s ideas."

prof Marcia I appreciate your comments, I think the point made is that voting for McCain should be because you are in sync with his positions and values. If so, it is all good. If not, then it may not be in your best interest to vote that way. But, that is not for me to judge. I am dealing with my own struggle on this election and my post was really a sounding on feminists supporting feminists and in that context, a vote for McCain would be contrary to the goals of such voters.

I have to clean my apartment now.

:)

I really have to stop typing faster than my brain functions.
Another typo in my earlier post:

"earnest"

Hi Patsi,

I agree.

B,

No body will bring all the troops home any time soon.

And trying to throw "other mother's children" at people who disagree with you is a right wing tactic. America, Love it or leave it. That's your approach.

From "Obama's Chicago Boys" in the current issue of The Nation:

"Barack Obama waited just three days after Hillary Clinton pulled out of the race to declare, on CNBC, "Look. I am a pro-growth, free-market guy. I love the market."

Change you can bank on.

Happy Father's Day, to all the Dads on C-List(CrawDads...LOL!!)

Sunday secrets(all about Dads)...

http://postsecret.blogspot.com/

Ditto what Linda said! Happy Dad's Day!

Hey Gordo, you do realize that the Democratic Party establishment has coalesced around Obama, the same party establishment that has heavy Jewish representation in Shumer, Feinstein, Feingold, Emmanuel, Levin, et. al...

You really believe they would nominate a PLO supporting muslim? Get real. He pandered to AIPAC once so far since the nomination and made a trip to Israel last year to meet with Israeli leadership. Grow a friggin' brain, dude.

All this perceived sexism in the media is primarily from MSNBC, also. Older women should realize that women have greater standing now in our society and that trend continues. There are more women than men enrolled in college, more unemployed men than unemployed women, the wage disparity is almost closed (I realize 'almost' may not be good enough for you, but it continues to trend upwards), all within a service-based economic framework within which women are better to excel.

You had a viable female candidate for president, many more women being discussed as potential vice-presidential candidates in both parties, a female Speaker of the House, as well as significant representation in the house, though I'll admit the Senate is still male-dominated. I'm sure these trends will continue, for the reasons stated above, and a female president will become more and more likely. It may not happen in your lifetime, but so what? A woman for the sake of women is the same rationale as a black for the sake of blacks, which is to say, an irrational argument.

Champ, in translation:

You broads need to just shut the f-up. Fer Chrissakes, what more can you harpies whine about? We let you vote and go to college. We even elect a few of you. Who cares what you're called and if one out of six of you is assaulted and the law doesn't do jack about it?

Oh, and by the way, this service based economy is so much better for you because after all, who can serve food and clean motel rooms better than you? So the crumbling jobs situation in this country actually helps you gals out. Can't your little brains process that?

Irrational hysterics.

Here's an application of the rating system. (Oh, the preparer of the report is responsible for assigning the rating.) When the initial reports of Mr Russert's demise appeared on our blog, I would have assigned a rating of F6. Subsequent reports from other individuals would be F3, F2, etc. If someone I trusted completely was making the report, I would probably assign a rating of B2. Once multiple sources confirmed the loss to an absolute certainty, the report would probably be assigned a rating of B1 Flatus http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/06/a-map-quest-for-political-junk.html#comment-102714

Ok, that's it!
This place is getting way to complicated for me.

(for those who take what I just said seriously, which always seems to happen here when I kid around, I said that 'playfully'.)

The Real Barack Obama : Another Terrorist In Obamaland | Rashid Khalidi - Anti-Israel Agenda?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW4ZcY-VHA4

"perceived sexism"

Champ,

I take it you meant to say "perceived", right?
It wasn't 'factually' sexism but was only in the eyes of those viewing it?

Guess I'm going to have to start looking at things from your point of view. Everything was perceived, not real. What a relief that is.

Gordo,

keep up the good work. I enjoy your posts. I appreciate your posts. Don't stop.

"Feelings still raw among Clinton backers in Florida"

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/41130.html

From the folks at McClatchy

Jack

Hey Gordo, you do realize that the Democratic Party establishment has coalesced around Obama, Posted by: champ | June 15, 2008 7:58 AM

Well good then, he and you have nothing to worry about.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/41130.html
Jack,
You keep up the good work too.

Regarding a comment further upthread, I'd actually like to thank Craig for not feeling compelled (so far) to add his "personal tribute" to the tsunami of coverage on Tim Russert.

I consciously abstained from cable news all day yesterday, because I knew it would just be an over-the-top, maudlin deathfest about Russert -- and apparently that's what it was. But because I truly am saddened by Russert's sudden death, and will greatly miss him, I thought I owed it to myself to at least watch the Meet The Press special with Brokaw this morning. So I turned on my TV at 8:55 a.m. and there was a PRE Meet-The-Press tribute show on NBC. It showed Big Russ putting the American flag up in front of his house, then a shot of him walking down the street with Super Duper Russ. Then maudlin sound clips of Super Duper Russ talking about how he always told his son, Little Russ, what a great man Big Russ was and how he won World War II and never ever got mad. Then pictures of Big Russ when he was Teeny Tiny Russ way back during the Depression. Then flash forward to shots of Super Duper Russ as a new dad holding Eight-Pound-Six-Ounce Baby Russ as a newborn. All pegged to Fathers Day. What a downer.

All of that in just five minutes. I had to turn the TV off -- I didn't even make it to the Brokaw special.

It's just incredible. It's like -- can't we just mourn the man tastefully? Why does life always have to be gilded and glorified and maudlinized? Why can't it ever be represented for what it is -- something complex, full of joys and sorrows, good and bad, laden with inexplicable mystery? That's all I wanted to do -- mourn the man for an hour. I'm very sad about his sudden death, but wall-to-wall TV news coverage of it has actually hardened my emotions about the whole thing. It's not a tribute. It's an exploitation. I give up.

Sorry for the rant on a Sunday morning. But there it is.

Gordo

You actually dared to drag a column in here written by the scrawny witch. Talk about confirming right wing troll status. Man Coulter is even uglier in her opinions and statements than Modo, and that takes effort and hard work.

Please drag her out again, before the flies gather.

Lardass

Modern TV just doesn't know the difference between pathos and bathos and boy do they enjoy bathing.

"Ok, that's it!
This place is getting way to complicated for me."
--chloe

ya think???
____

"...I'm very sad about his sudden death, but wall-to-wall TV news coverage of it has actually hardened my emotions about the whole thing. It's not a tribute. It's an exploitation. I give up."
--LardassLiberal

I agree

I may not vote for president or I may vote for McCain. I haven't decided. But, my vote will not be a protest vote and certainly won't be a foolish decision.
Posted by: prof marcia | June 15, 2008 3:14 AM

Prof. Marcia,
Thanks for writing that post. I agreed with every word. It's always nice to see you're here.

Nice post, Lard. I agree with your sentiments. We should save this type of mourning for some poor, random, GI who's had his ass blown-up while doing our country's business.

I am tremendously pleased that our GIs abstain from applying situational ethics into whether they'll follow orders or not depending on how they feel on any particular day.

Demonstrate to beat hell, but not on Sam's time or while in uniform.

McCain has to be right when he says our presence should be tolerable so long as we are able to stop the violence. At that point, it should no longer be an issue and we can evaluate future courses of action more rationally.

DOG, I know Stinky's reaction would be, "You want us to go where to do what?!" Since I give her every opportunity of being in control, I'll acquiesce. So, I'm afraid we'll decline. ;((

Just turned on CNN Reliable sources ... More Russert.

When did this whole idea start of piling up flowers and teddy bears in hysterical tribute to someone you never met and didn't know.

Are peoples lives so empty of family and friend connections that they have to fill the space with imagined relationships?

He seems like a decent man who died too soon. My condolences to his wife and son. Now enough already!

I usually watch the Cable Channels when I'm on my stationary bike at the Y. But this afternoon I'll have to find something else, I guess. Maybe the History Channel for a change.

Lardo

Tiger in the US Open if you like golf

Jamie -- no kidding, re: Ann Coulter.

Gordo, you're hitting rock bottom. Obama ain't my choice, but he's not a terrorist or a communist or whatever other bizarre allegations you are coming up with. I'd be more worrie dthat he's just another free trading corporatist.

Lard -- agree on Russert saturation. I feel really bad for his family. My brother in law died suddenly in the same way Russert did, and it leaves people shell shocked. This is getting into Princess Di territory.

For the theater nuts amongst us don't forget the Tony Awards tonight.

Oh Jamie...absolutely on the Open. That's the centerpiece of my day -- both yesterday and today. I'll be in front of my TV set at home for that.

"We should save this type of mourning for some poor, random, GI who's had his ass blown-up while doing our country's business."

Wouldn't that be something to see?

Agree with dog that this spectacle is about the NBC/GE brand.

Unlike some people, I'm willing to listen to the Right Wing . Try venturing into "enemy territory" - you might learn. They (the RW) CAN be correct.

Coulter: I'll campaign for Hillary if McCain is the nominee

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HuTqgqhxVMc

"When did this whole idea start of piling up flowers and teddy bears in hysterical tribute to someone you never met and didn't know.

Are peoples lives so empty of family and friend connections that they have to fill the space with imagined relationships?"

Absolutely true, Jamie. During the whole Princess Di thing, I just kept shaking my head over the bizarre things mpeople were doing.

OK

By 'perceived sexism', I am referring to what is commonly cited on this blog, that is, the punditry on MSNBC primarily. Even the link provided by Marcia was mostly examples from MSNBC. I don't watch TV, so I didn't pick up on any of this sexism in the media, and the only reason I'm aware of it is from the discussion on the internet. Sexism may be pervasive in our society, but examples from ONE TV news network is hardly a substantive argument to that end.

As far as a 'service-based' economy is concerned, Patsi, I am referring to sectors such as health-care, business, marketing, management, real estate, financial services and banking, etc. Living in white middle-class suburbia, I perceive that women hold the good executive jobs and many if not most earn more than their husbands. By them being 'better suited' to such an economy, I believe that because the women I know are on the whole more disciplined, grounded, harder-working, and more goal-driven than the men I know. Based on the anecdotes I hear, they also deal with inter-office politics more tactfully than men.

Sexism in the news media to domestic violence is a big leap, by the way. I realize the latter is a problem, but isn't relevant to the discussion we're having here, at least, not in my estimation. Domestic violence and how to reduce it within our society is a discussion worth having, but I don't see how it's relevant to HRC's failed candidacy.

OMG! Sally Quinn just compared Russert's death to JFK's....I have to think Russert would have laughed at that one.

Okay. How do we bring the troops home? What can we do to get the home ASAP? What is the answer? What can Obama do? I have thought about this before. I wonder why we just can't bring them right now. Then , I hear what is going on there and it doesn't sound like we can just pull them out and leave.

And the Tim Russert coverage saturation spills over
into a full-page In memory of Tim Russert in the Sunday NYT by NBC

We ain't leaving Iraq, anyone who asserts otherwise is full of shit. We are building new permanent bases over there, and not to hand them over to Iraqis when they're ready. It is a strategic presence designed to replace our presence in Saudi Arabia, because the monarchy there could not maintain its tenous grip on power with U.S. military stationed there, the Saudi public was about to stage a revolution because of it.

For those watching Meet the Press, my question is....WTF is Mary Matlin wearing?? She looks like she arrived at the studio, after a night at the disco...yikes!!

Let's see if NBC decides to air a long special on Tim Russert instead of the US Open golf tournament's final round today. That would be sweet.

"Sexism in the news media to domestic violence is a big leap, by the way. I realize the latter is a problem, but isn't relevant to the discussion we're having here, at least, not in my estimation. Domestic violence and how to reduce it within our society is a discussion worth having, but I don't see how it's relevant to HRC's failed candidacy."

Sweet Jesus, Champ. You just don't get it. I, for one, am not saying that sexism is what sunk Hillary's campaign. (To the extent that nearly a tie even with two disenfranchised states equals "sunk.")

I am saying that this has exposed a very big societal problem, made all the worse by the fact that so many are shrugging it off as a non-issue.

And of course, violence against women is a part of it. I guess you haven't been following some of the "progressive" blogs where that tone was often taken.

You talk about middle class or suburban women having it pretty good....you sound like a damned Republican saying American workers -- the ones who haven't yet been laid off -- are sitting pretty because they aren't homeless.

The biggest problem here is the complete disdain with which any mention of sexism receives. And if you don't understand that sexism is even more ingrained than racism in the world, well, you haven't been paying attention.

I just wanna know how we can end the war. Or how Obama can end the war.

My point is that Iraq is such a mess that Obama will probably find it's not going to be easy to end the war as quickly as he or anybody else wants to end it.

I was gonna ask Tom if he was really a lesbian. I saw somebody say they enjoyed the early morning conversation. So , I checked it out and found he was lesbian. Interesting.

I can't get BarackObama.com. LOL!

Gordo

The only reason that the "more money for me waste of space" would campaign for Hillary is for two reasons: (1) Her support would drive people away from Sen. Clinton and (2) Her hatred of McCain. It would have nothing to do with anything resembling either ethics or honesty.

It is either a well planned act which would make her someone who gets profit from the pain of others, or she is exactly the kind of person who gives Christianity a bad name and even worse smell.

"MSNBC complaints against Russert, Olbermann, Matthews, Carlson et. al are geting a little tired...."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM

I agree

Gotta watch what you say Tom , it can and will be used against you. LOL!

Corey, you end the war by just pulling out. How could we do such a thing, you may ask? Anyway possible, as soon as possible, because we can't afford it.

***KEY POINT:

Know why the Soviet Union collapsed? Because we helped AFGHANISTAN engage the Soviets in a protracted guerilla war that BANKRUPTED the USSR. Sound familiar? It's exactly what Putin's Russia is doing to us now, in the SAME EXACT COUNTRY & REGION. Is our collective memory that short? God help us all.

Just pull out, let them slaughter each other, if that's how they want to play it. We can't lead them by the hand to democracy and equality, if for no other reason than we can't afford it financially.

tired of Com................nice video.......

Corey... I am in touch with my inner Lesbian self :-D LOL LOL LOL

Yeah, watched the video, and all I can say is those guys are assholes. There vapid TV talking heads, what do you expect?

OH man, overposting here, but I MUST correct my there/they're transposition.

"They're TV talking heads..."

First time in months I have had MSNBC on for tribute to Tim Russert. Have watched CNN too. No mention of Tim's mother, did she die young? In all the videos he constantly talks about his dad, but never his mother or sisters. Does anyone know anything about his mom.

I feel for the family as 58 is way too young to die and so suddenly. No chance to say goodbye.

Happy Father's Day to all the Dads out there.

When I was three years old, the television was on and the same show kept playing, it just kept going on and on (I was a child who just wanted a cartoon).....I asked my parents, "When's Kennedy going to be over?"
____

Jack and other gardeners: I posted my Buddha with petals:
http://unlikelyburrito.blogspot.com/

Everyone enjoy your day,
peace~

Posted by: tired of complaints about complaints

I'm tired of the reasons for the complaints and really tired of people who would rather say bygones about them.

Champ

What you need to understand is that media reflects society and then moves what it reflects to a greater degree in that direction.

Olbermann, Mathews etc were only amplifying something that already exists and by making it acceptable to say those things, increased the attitudes in society.

Most people point to the string of Obama wins as an example of a poor Clinton campaign. I will agree to a point, but I also blame a lot of it on the writers' strike. During that long stretch the satire was missing allowing Sen. Obama a free ride during most of the debates.

If you remember that first SNL skit making fun of the way the news media conducted themselves around Sen. Obama gave Sen. Clinton a big boost. Unfortunately by then most of the other candidates were gone and she was way behind in the delegate count.

This endless cycle of reflection, amplification, and feedback shapes society and not always for the better.
The only thing that really slows it down are the cynics and satirists who were for the most part missing during this election cycle.

"Let's see if NBC decides to air a long special on Tim Russert instead of the US Open golf tournament's final round today. That would be sweet."
--Corey

LOL Corey. But if that happens, you can forward all of your correspondence with Lardo to the Florida State Prison, because that's where I'll be living after I burn down the local NBC affiliate should such a scenario unfold.

All I can say to that, Jamie, is:

If SNL and MSNBC have that much influence on our society, we are fucked anyway. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

"Know why the Soviet Union collapsed? Because we helped AFGHANISTAN engage the Soviets in a protracted guerilla war that BANKRUPTED the USSR. Sound familiar? It's exactly what Putin's Russia is doing to us now, in the SAME EXACT COUNTRY & REGION. Is our collective memory that short? God help us all."

Nonsense. as much as anything the Soviet Union collapsed because the non-Russian Warsaw Pact countries became tired of paying dues in the form of money, manpower, and territory to Mother Russia.

Their involvement in Afghanistan was seen as exceedingly divisive within the Soviet Union because it pitted Muslim against Muslim; never a good idea. This resulted in ever increasing numbers of troops needed to maintain the illusion of internal security within the republics.

We are spending a piddling amount of our GDP in Afghanistan (and Iraq). And even that amount would be dramatically lower if we conscientiously worked to reduce graft and corruption, and (gasp!) reinstituted a fairly administered draft of young men and women (an event that would surely force a reexamination of our international involvement and security priorities).

Oh yeah, well in MY family there are 14 OB/GYNs with a cumulative experience of 420 years of experience! Top, that!

Nah, we're done dude, you've already dismissed me and my opinions. Fair enough.

Imagine a government, comprised of mostly woman in positions of power that wanted to pass laws to control what American men legally can or can't do with their own sperm machines?

I agree on those last two points, Flatus, although I would argue the military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan have economic reverberations not necessarily measured by percentage of GDP. Energy prices, for example.

Well, the old guy's going to take a nap.

To me, Burrito, the abortion issue is as simple as "If you don't want a kid, don't have sex." That goes for both men and women. If it is a matter of rape or risk to the life of the mother, than I think abortion is justifiable. I may be leaving another justifiable circumstance out, but you get the idea. Of course, just my opinion.

Men don't carry children, so your argument doesn't logically follow, to me. I know, you'll cite that as evidence of my inability to empathize with the unjust treatment of women. There was a law passed recently, in Ohio, maybe(?) that outlawed a man being 'discernibly turgid' in public, so we may be heading in that direction after all.

Well, enough for now, thanks for the debate, people. I'm burning daylight. Enjoy the rest of your weekend. I'll check back for counter-points later on tonight, so keep 'em coming of you feel so inclined. Thanks.

Champ

"I am now a full throated Obama supporter but I will never come back to MSNBC and Keith Olbermann as a reliable source of news. Olberman is a propagandist, as Somerby has pointed out, not a journalist. Chris Matthews is well, you know what he is. And those 2 bully their entire operation. It is a distasteful and unappealing network to me now. I won't be watching them.

Speaking for me only. Big Tent Democrat"
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/6/15/11916/2347

Champ

" we are fucked anyway. Smoke 'em if you got 'em."

From my perspective that has been true for at least the last quarter century.

Champ

"There was a law passed recently, in Ohio, maybe(?) that outlawed a man being 'discernibly turgid' in public"

This one maybe laugh. Many years ago a friend emerged from a tanning salon wearing only a somewhat clinging sweatsuit.

I just had to lean out the car window and greet him with, "Now that's my idea of truth in advertising!"

Sexism may be pervasive in our society, but examples from ONE TV news network is hardly a substantive argument to that end.

Champ,
I appreciate the response on the 'perceived sexism thing. And can see your point of view.

But MSNBC is representative of what we've already seen all our lives. It's everywhere, if you're on the receiving end. These attitudes are what turn into the abuse you are talking about later on, down the line.

Some of us on this site have said many times that this has become about more than just this election and Hillary. So we address that, not as a reason for Hillary losing, but as part of a bigger issue. To hear it reduced to 'perceived' is to say we've imagined it.

Msnbc is an convenient example, because they give us so much to draw from. How can we resist?

champ: "significant representation in the house"

when is 74 out of 435 deemed "significant" for the majority sector of the population?

Jamie -----------------------

Sure, Coulter is always looking for a way to get publicity and money - she does this by creating controversy. Whatever her motivation, sometimes she actually is correct.

The select/elect column may have been written to stir-up trouble within the Dem party. But is she wrong about how Hillary was treated by the DNC and MSM?

In a Clinton/McCain contest, I'm guessing that Coulter's anti-McCain position would be harmful to him not Hillary. Saying that McCain is SO defective, that she would support Hillary should not turn off Dems. It might decrease Repub support for McCain by a very tiny amount.

Sure, Coulter is always looking for a way to get publicity and money - she does this by creating controversy. Whatever her motivation, sometimes she actually is correct.

a busted clock is right twice a day.

Gordo,

It doesn't matter that she is sometimes correct. What matters is her motivation that makes her a propagandist not a reliable source. She could be right one time and then totally wrong another simply because all she wants are the money and headlines.

That makes her completely untrustworthy and a waste of paper and eyeball time.

The time not to become a father is eighteen years before a war.

---E. B. White

Sure, Coulter is always looking for a way to get publicity and money - she does this by creating controversy. Whatever her motivation, sometimes she actually is correct. Gordo,

Gordo,
I'm with you.
I'll take Coulter, O'Reilly, and even Fox over Olberman and MSNBC any day of the week. Go where others fear.
I

Off to take son to Sunday Brunch and the Casino for Father's Day. Be nice to each other.

fox and msnbc......like it's some kind of choice.......lol

they both are insidious.......and invidious.......rotten apples in television's barrel of monkeys........

some choice........

kind of like going to a new church and being offered the choice of.............."Rattlesnake or Copperhead?"

old joke:

A. Where's your back door?

B. Thar aint one.

A. Then, where you WANT one?

Jamie--------------------

"It doesn't matter that she is sometimes correct. What matters is her motivation that makes her a propagandist not a reliable source. She could be right one time and then totally wrong another simply because all she wants are the money and headlines.

That makes her completely untrustworthy and a waste of paper and eyeball time."

1) sometimes correct

2) motivation

3) propagandist

4) not a reliable source

5) right one time and then totally wrong another

6) wants - money and headlines

7) completely untrustworthy

8) waste of - eyeball time

1 - 8 apply to CNN and MSNBC. Why do you still watch?

Watched the Meet the Press tribute to Tim. Good for the most part, but do you think out of all the clips they had of Pres. Clinton they could have found one a little more respectable? There is someone at NBC who has a HUGE hard-on for the Clintons, and they show no class or integrity in this regard.

My argument is about government control and legislature being passed in attempt to control one's personal choices regarding their own physical body.

"1 - 8 apply to CNN and MSNBC. Why do you still watch?"

score one for gordo!

"Just pull out, let them slaughter each other, if that's how they want to play it. We can't lead them by the hand to democracy and equality, if for no other reason than we can't afford it financially."

This is a mindset I DESPISE. We did this, we did the shock and awe, we killed this population and destroyed their schools and hospitals. And now it comes down to "Well, those losers just ought to take care of it themselves! And if they kill each other because of our actions, WTF!!!???"

My God, what kind of people have we become?

"There is someone at NBC who has a HUGE hard-on for the Clintons, and they show no class or integrity in this regard."

Les, GE didn't make their usual billions from their war machine under Clinton. Not that the new crowd of anti-Clinton "Democrats" give a crap.

Patsi good point on the war machine profits drop for GE ! Though we did invade Kosovo under Clinton's watch. I am glad it was done, but it's a mess there now and we have Kosovoran gangs coming into Western Europe for car and house jackings, along with Albanian and even Bulgarian gangs (and Bulgaria is now part of the EU). What scares me is that robberies are up but since the borders have been opened further, the robberies have been much more brutal !! With a gas station, I feel a bit nervous.

Then again, Belgium is now as a theme park for criminals. You get a sentence and as long as you behave, you only have to serve 1/3 of it. Plus you get free cable and a nice room. Go figure.

Burrito -- is that your painting on your blog? Stunning! Just stunning.

Champ said: "To me, Burrito, the abortion issue is as simple as "If you don't want a kid, don't have sex." That goes for both men and women. "

Uh.....sorry, am speechless.

Champ
Nothing , about human behavior is ever simple. ;-)

Jack

a little miles to go before I sleep.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTfBpKzu6XA

It's getting cold here and it's close to my bedtime... Still watching snippets of Meet the Press... Anyone know why Huffy hated Russert so much?

Pro-Life doesn't mean crazy. Pro-abortion doesn't mean murderer. I can understand how there are some circumstances , rape etc....where a woman is pregnant and wouldn't want to have a baby. But , if it's something as simple as people having sex without protection and getting an unwanted pregnancy , then there are other options besides abortion. Adoption , for one.

Corey, my problem with the so-called "pro-life" movement is that they are pro-life only from point of conception to point of birth. Beyond that they fight against welfare parents, single mothers staying home, and then criticise the same mothers when they have to leave their children to do menial jobs to try and provide for them. Their motivation is not "pro-family", it is a form of social control.

An excellent book to read, a novel really, is Margaret Atwood's "A Handmade's Tale"... much better than the film. It was my first read in my Masters in Public Administration program and it is a fictionalized look at what would happen if the right-wing fundamentalists achieved all their societal and political goals. What it is a testament to is "the ultimate administered society".

Pro-Life is not Pro-Life if it punishes the poor who have children, single women, or families that have to work overtime just to keep a roof over their heads.

They are not pro-life -- not in the sense as we may see it.

June 15, 2008
Gallup Daily: Obama-McCain Race Reverts to Virtual TiePercentage undecided now 15%, highest of the yearUSA Election 2008 Gallup Daily Americas Northern America PRINCETON, NJ -- Voters are closely divided between Barack Obama and John McCain in Gallup Poll Daily tracking conducted June 12-14, with 44% of national registered voters favoring Obama for president and 42% backing McCain.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/107854/Gallup-Daily-ObamaMcCain-Race-Reverts-Virtual-Tie.aspx

Oh and Corey, I personally prefer the adoption model, but it's not my call. It's a decision that a woman has to make for herself. If she is not able to make such a decision for herself, then the state is basically reducing her to a reproductive vessel.

"I'm Voting Republican"

http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/

I have 2 nieces who are adopted. The birth mother of my older niece was 15. She could have had an abortion , easily. Or she could have had my niece and kept her. But , she put her up for adoption. Regardless of whether a woman has an abortion or not, she has to live with whatever decision she makes. I have a cousin who had a baby out of a one night stand. She was gonna ask the Father for child support , but he told her that he would fight her for custody and that scared her. So , she didn't ask for child support. She had another baby with a different man a few years later. She recently gave both children away because she could not take care of them. My sister was upset about this because she and my husband as well as their next door neighbors have children they adopted. They would have gladly adopted my cousin's children had she been willing to give up custody of them 7-8 years ago. I also understand the financial strains having a baby can bring to a family. My nieces are a lot better off than they would have been had they stayed with their birth Moms.

Someone very close in my family had an abortion at age 16. She is now the mother of two wonderful young women. She told me that she didn't care what the situation was, she would NEVER have an abortion again. She is still pro-choice but warns that it's a decision that, in most cases, is very painful both before and afterwards.

Tom , that's why I am an idependent. I'm more toward the middle on issues. I'm not a liberal and I'm not a conservative. When I lived on the southeast side of Michigan , things were different. I mean , you can walk around Ann Arbor's art fair and find tables full of homemade bongs. College students selling them. People walking around with signs saying "Legalize Hemp!" etc...Over here , a lot of people don't even drink. My brother-in-law had a cousin who sat on his front porch and drank a beer on a Sunday and his neighbors wouldn't talk to him after that. What I began to resent here was that people acted like nothing ever happened. People here don't drink , smoke , swear etc...Kids don't have sex. My sister was talking to a Mother of one of my niece's friend's last year and she told her that my brother-in-law worried when he measures houses for his job as a property tax assessor that he might accidentally run into a house that doubled as a meth lab. The mother said, "What's a meth lab? I've never heard of that?" My sister said, "How can you protect your kids from various things if you don't know what they are?"

Gordo

"1 - 8 apply to CNN and MSNBC. Why do you still watch?"

I get most of my "News" from BBC America each evening and C=SPAN in early morning. This gets added to with English on line editions of European newspapers. I keep CNN on in background for "breaking news" in case something earth shaking happens, but I don't consider any of the cable locations actual "NEWS"

The Dutch in the Netherlands are not conservative !!! They are very tolerant, and are the first country that ever created gay marriage. ok the Christian Democrats lead the government coalition now, but, as a whole, the Dutch are live and let live sort of people... again in the Dutch country itself. The Dutch descendants in Lynden Washington are also ultra-conservative. Even dancing isn't allowed there.

Patsi - Yes it is and thank you.

Oh , I've run into scary people here. There was a guy who worked on 1st shitf in my department when I first started working here. He always brought a bible to work. In his bible , he had several passages highlighted with yellow highlight marker. He ws very religious. He was later aressted for molesting his ex-wife's step-children. Another guy at work got arrested for drunk driving around the same time and they were being held in the same jail. Another guy from work saw them in jail. The child molester asked him, "What do the people at work think of me? How are they gonna treat me when I go back to work?" He didn't realize he had been fired over all of this. The guys at work said, "If Dale comes anywhere near my kids , I'll kill him."

Excuse the poor spelling in my last post.

Olbermann Asked To Tone Down Hillary Hate, Refused

At MSNBC, Phil Griffin was worried, and with good reason. The average “Countdown” viewer is fifty-nine years old, and forty-five per cent of the viewers are women, presumably Democratic—a fair description of a Hillary Clinton supporter. Griffin believed that Olbermann was beginning to alienate his core audience, and asked him to ease up a bit on Clinton, and possibly even make some conciliatory gesture to the Clinton camp. Olbermann was offended by the suggestion. “I can’t do that!”
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/6/15/11916/2347

How we peg Obama may tell more about us

The media, and some voters, are having trouble placing Obama because he muddles the lines. And to be sure, he uses his multiethnicity to advantage, presenting himself in different ways to suit different audiences.
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080615_How_we_peg_Obama_may_tell_more_about_us.html

me and paul:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pos6bFtS7yk

Don't listen to the liberals -
Right-wingers really are nicer people, latest research shows

"There is plenty of data that shows that Right-wingers are happier, more generous to charities, less likely to commit suicide - and even hug their children more than those on the Left."

"............And it seems that today modern progressive ideas can often bring out the worst in people."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026442/Dont-listen-liberals--Right-wingers-really-nicer-people-latest-research-shows.html

Couldn't help but agree with that last line.

willie, edie, and paul:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzmNZwU1V1o&feature=related

hallelujah hootie hoo.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf36v0epfmI

Break free of the Clinton shackles---I don't know about you but the Clinton years would be welcome to me now.

BTW, I went to my friend's visitation this afternoon. The doctors think her death may have been caused by something in her brain. They said it was like "flipping a switch". She probably died suddenly and without suffering. They won't get the actual autopsy results for 8 weeks. We're guessing the chemo may have had something to do with it.

"me and paul:"

One of my favorite songs, sturge....thanks! (love Waylon's verson, too -- "Me & Tompall")

It's Not Race, It's Arugula
Obama's real electoral challenge.
by Noemie Emery

"Now let us imagine a different candidate, one who looks like Barack Obama, with the same mixed-race, international background, even the same middle name. But this time, he is Colonel Obama, a veteran of the war in Iraq, a kick-ass Marine with a "take no prisoners" attitude, who vows to follow Osama bin Laden to the outskirts of Hell. He comes from the culture of the military (the most color blind and merit-based in the country), and not the rarefied air of Hyde Park. He goes to a church with a mixed-race congregation and a rational preacher. He has never met Bill Ayers, and if he did he would flatten him. He thinks arugula is a town near Bogota and has Toby Keith on his favorites list. Would he strike no chords at all in Jacksonian country? Does anyone think he would lose 90 to 9 in Buchanan County? Or lose West Virginia by 41 points? For those Jacksonians who would be fine with a black man in the White House (not as tiny a group as Newsweek thinks), Colonel Obama is the one we are waiting for. When we will get him is anyone's guess."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/215hpooz.asp

We're guessing the chemo may have had something to do with it. Posted by: Corey | June 15, 2008 6:02 PM

Corey,
That wouldn't surprise me at all. That chemo can cause more suffering than the disease. Sorry to hear about your loss. Hope you take comfort in finding out that she may have passed with no suffering.

-I don't know about you but the Clinton years would be welcome to me now. Posted by: Ryan | June 15, 2008 6:02 PM

Amen.

That KO article sounds like he's a person you either like or don't like. Suzy Kolber said that Keith was sometimes so overbearing while at ESPN that she'd lock herself in the bathroom and cry. I like Suzy Kolber. If I was there , I would have given Keith a ride on my shoe.

Keith was sometimes so overbearing while at ESPN that she'd lock herself in the bathroom and cry. Posted by: Corey

Corey, After a Olberman show, I've done that myself.

"I like Suzy Kolber. If I was there , I would have given Keith a ride on my shoe."

Go Corey!

I worked with a woman who was like Keith. A great worker. Always did a great job. But , she no people skills. She always tried to get others into trouble at work. Was the type of person you didn't argue with because she was always right and you were wrong. All the guys at work disliked her. But , the boss tolerated her because she was a good worker , even if he knew all the guys on our line didn't like her.

She HAD no people skills , I mean.

vintage marty in el paso

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwHPxwyZ3OU&feature=related

Hey All
The Hills Briefing Room has this from Sen. Obama at a Philly fundraiser "If the Republicans bring a knife to the fight,we will bring a gun".Chicago Style politics?Would link it but I don't know how...........

Michelle Obama to be a guest on "The View" this Wednesday. I'm sure that has probably already been posted.

Obama: "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." (Barack Obama, Remarks At Fundraiser, Philadelphia, PA, 6/14/08)

FLASHBACK: Obama: "I chose to run ... because I believed that Americans of every political stripe were hungry for a new kind of politics, a politics that focused not just on how to win but why we should, a politics that focused on those values and ideals that we held in common as Americans..." (Barack Obama, Remarks At Campaign Event, Des Moines, Iowa, 12/27/07)

Flatt & Scruggs - Foggy Mountain Breakdown

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ0lOlfNv2w

Jack

Bill Monroe - Uncle Pen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQn9zXGTzdc

Soldier's Joy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NI9MvMKQXg

Jack
just doin' a little jiggin'

Man Of Constant Sorrow - Ralph Stanley

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBDe7rySveQ

Jack

A wee dab of New Orleans style jazz w/Louie Armstrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqc209-rwNI

Julie

Obama tells black fathers to engage their kids

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25176204/

"They [black fathers] have abandoned their responsibilities, acting like boys instead of men. And the foundations of our families are weaker because of it," the Democratic presidential candidate [Obama] said Sunday at a largely black church in his hometown.

Obama has been running focus groups in the suburbs.
LOL
All them white people out there love it when a black man rants on other blacks. Obama is going for the Cosby of the year award..
Damn, where did this bus come from?
Why am I under it?
Hello, Reverend getting crowded under here , guess he doesn't need us any more.

I'm still watching (Pac Coast Time). Lupone is doing her number. Mama Rose is great role and I love Patti Lupone, but Gypsy just isn't one of my favorite musicals.

I'm curious about "In The Heights". Have you seen it?

The number from "Passing Strange" was good. Which one are they doing for "Rent"?

It's the least you could do ... supporting the neighborhood and all that.

My favorite musicals are Into The Woods, Ragtime and Les Miserables

I was hoping for the Rent tribute they would do The Tango Maurine

Ok, don't know how many I'll get to before I run out of steam...

"Just pull out, let them slaughter each other, if that's how they want to play it. We can't lead them by the hand to democracy and equality, if for no other reason than we can't afford it financially."

This is a mindset I DESPISE. We did this, we did the shock and awe, we killed this population and destroyed their schools and hospitals. And now it comes down to "Well, those losers just ought to take care of it themselves! And if they kill each other because of our actions, WTF!!!???"

My God, what kind of people have we become?
Posted by: Patsi | June 15, 2008 2:23 PM

I didn't kill anyone, I didn't bomb any schools, or participate in any shock and awe campaigns. I never supported the war, and I pay negligible taxes, only because they'd throw me in jail if I didn't.

We removed their 'brutal' dictator, I don't know if they wanted us to or not, but we did. They wouldn't be killing themselves because of our actions, they'd be killing themselves because of sectarian strife and turf wars. It could be a possibility that our presence is exacerbating the problem.

We can't stay there forever, Patsi, and let our soldiers die in the midst of someone else's civil war. It's a cold hard world, in Iraq especially. Just get our troops the hell out already. Don't get too worried for the Iraqis, we ain't pulling out regardless. Strategic presence.

In case this hasn't yet been posted, here are Craig's words about Tim Russert...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/craig-crawford/so-long-tim_b_107233.html

Pro-Life is not Pro-Life if it punishes the poor who have children, single women, or families that have to work overtime just to keep a roof over their heads.

They are not pro-life -- not in the sense as we may see it.

Posted by: EuroTom | June 15, 2008 3:59 PM

Your argument here, Tom, is essentially: poor people should kill their babies because kids are just so damned expensive.

You guys should realize their is a diverse range of positions within the conservative framework, and the neo-cons who hijacked the GOP are about as conservative as Frank Zappa, if you'' pardon the poor analogy. Spend spend spend, war war war, jesus jesus jesus. The republican platform I learned about as a kid was all about limited government, civil liberties, states rights (federalism), low taxes... al that good stuff. Pro-Life isn't a republican principle, and there are many Pro-life Dems, Bob Case and Harry Reid come to mind.

It's funny, all my conservative friends think I'm a bleeding-heart liberal, and all my liberal friends call me a heartless conservative. Leads me to believe I may be on the right side after all- neither.

Oh yeah, forgot to add Patsi, re: "My God, what kind of people have we become?"

I am certainly NOT representative of 'people' or 'we'. I'm speaking on my own behalf, and any outrageous or provocative statements I make are most likely not reflective of the general consensus. To which I'm glad, because I've found general consensus is usually full of shit.

Yeah Joe Lieberman, Mr. Let's Fight Yet Another Proxy War for Israel, But Call it 'the War on Terror" to Fool All the American Rubes. It's a long nickname. I just call him 'asshole'.

I don't mind Patsi, my provocative statements are useless if they don't provoke anyone. I guess I am as guilty as the sensationalist manipulative media that way. Not proud of it, but you got to start a conversation somehow...

As far as Iraq,

I'm sure they've had enough of our help and our military midas touch. We've messed things up enough over there already. We can't babysit them for 100 years (even though we will anyway) until they learn to play nice. It's just not practical. Shitty situation? Yes. The time for moral righteousness was in 2003, though. There should have been riots in the streets, for christ's sake. But we all sat in front of the TV, absorbed all the lies, and watched the invasion like a football game. Time to drop the silly idealism and face geo-political facts.

Check out this car:

http://autos.yahoo.com/articles/autos_content_landing_pages/585/BMW-GINA-Light-Visionary-Model;_ylc=X3oDMTE0OGs4ZDduBF9TAzI3MTYxNDkEc2VjA2ZwLXRvZGF5BHNsawNibXctZ2luYQ--

Anglachel's Journal

Representation

The consolidation of Whole Foods Nation under The Dear Leader in Chicago has me and the spousal unit going "Hmm".

I've written before about the Obamacan demand that Democratic money be brought under the Chicago Combine's control, but subsuming the entire DNC to a single candidate's campaign is both horrifying and fascinating, kind of like watching decomposition. As there are more confirmed details, I'll be writing more, but one little gem stood out for me, which is the way the state operations, the ones that promote the downticket candidates, are being rolled up into the Obama operation.

http://anglachelg.blogspot.com/2008/06/representation.html

To compliment Kucinich's 35 Articles.

"The Liar Sleeps Tonight"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2007/05/22/VI2007052200589.html

tt

I don´t get the love for KO...
Sorry that the man has passed, untimely, and lots of strength and well wishes to the family of KO....

But,
He was a jerk!
Period.......

Good morning all.....

Don´t know if any of you watched the match yesterday between Nadal and Djokovic....
Dayummmmmmmmmmm
If this is any impression of what is to start next week I am happy.
I have itckets for Wimbledon guys......So I will be reporting from the holy grass there... LOL
can´t wait....

Hmmmm
I just read the speach from BO for fathersday..... LOL. You just gotta love and pity the man at the same time....Too sad!

Why do I always mix thse two up.....

Please excuse..... Sorry for the mix up everyone.
was not intentional......

Why do I always mix thse two up.....

Don't worry about it Jason.
It's just a name.

........and KO is a jerk, no matter how you slice it.