Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Woo hoo! First!

Good morning everyone! Craig -- I just loved those videos! Very creative of you. I especially loved the song, "We're All in This Together" and the "Don't Look Down" shot of the Bush statue coming down, Baghdad-style. Thank you for making them for us to enjoy.

Yesterday we were fooling around with a western theme and naming politicans to play the roles. I suggested Carter as the oily character that ties Hillary to the tracks.. (he is telling her she has to get out).

WELLL. Ha Ha .. this morning No quarter has a picture of Hillary tied to the tracks and an acticle about Halperin and sexism..

Sorry I can't do a simple copy & paste with the new windows 7. It only works a 10th of the time..

It is about half way down the page. Thought it a funny coincidence..
Julie

For those of you who like to follow the internecine affairs of the DNC in minute detail, here is the roster of the RBC which will be meeting this Saturday to determine the fate of Florida and Michigan delegations. You can't tell the players without a scorecard.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/dnc-rules-and-bylaws-committee-2008-05-27.html

Good morning Julie! I caught that a little bit when I skimmed through yesterday's chatter. I didn't know the origins of it, though. Thanks for filling it in.

Well, well, well. Looks like Scott McClelland didn't just throw under the bus. Scottie climbed into the driver's seat of the bus, drove it over Bush's body and then threw it in reverse and backed over him for good measure.

Switch Candidate

Kevin Rodriguez - Virgin Island switched from BO
to Hillary

Georgia delegate - Verna ? Delegate for Hillary..

Julie

In response to your post, Craig,

The answer to your question "why did national Democrats fear Florida so much?" I'm not a conspiracy theorist , but I believe the answer is because
the DNC and Washington insiders desperately wanted Obama to win the primary and they suspected he would lose Florida by big margins early in the season.
So, what better way to help insure their candidate would win the primary than to nuke Florida by setting up a convoluted method of disenfranchising the entire state. It seems to have worked beautifully. Trouble is, in the general
election, the neoliberals, the New Democratic Party, will have a bit more
trouble ignoring a major swing state like Florida. And Obama will probably again lose the state, big time. According to recent polls, Hillary Clinton actually beats McCain in Florida. But, rather than go with Senator Clinton,
a much better candidate against McCain, the far left wing of the Party are
intent on running Obama.

Wow Halperin sure is getting it from the ladies on his misognistic statements.. I agree that the misognist statements toward Hillary have been too much - too many.. Dissing the ladies is not a good thing to do. The democratic party has stood by and not said a word. Especially the Obama patron-Nancy Pelosi.. and Howard Dean. Making the ladies mad sure is not going to get their votes fellows..

Julie

Will Scott McClelland ever get another political job in his lifetime?

Scott who?

Will little Scottie McClellan ever get another political job? Oh, people have bounced back from far worse. He'll probably do pretty well.

I did not think I would say this, but the fight over how to deal with the Florida delegates is totally shaking my faith in the national party. The Dems should have this general election in a cakewalk, but it almost looks as if they're trying to find a way to lose it yet again. They know how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory better than the Boston Red Sox in 1986.

prof marcia...

"The answer to your question "why did national Democrats fear Florida so much?" I'm not a conspiracy theorist , but I believe the answer is because
the DNC and Washington insiders desperately wanted Obama to win the primary and they suspected he would lose Florida by big margins early in the season.
So, what better way to help insure their candidate would win the primary than to nuke Florida by setting up a convoluted method of disenfranchising the entire state. It seems to have worked beautifully."

If that's the case then why didn't Hillary fight this in November and December when she was telling everyone the race would be over February 5th instead of telling everyone that Florida and Michigan didn't matter and the votes wouldn't count?

It's obvious that there are a lot of Republican Shills over here who really want to go against Hillary because they know they can beat her.

Why else all the innuendo's and constant tearing down of a Democrat?

I know those who have been hear for a long time and I also know that they truly believe in Hillary so I have no problem their support of their candidate.

I do have trouble believing most of the new commenter's who are constantly spreading discord by sometimes outrageous insinuations.

Tell me prof marcia, do you believe its okay to torture people in our custody? And what kink of tragedy or miracle are you hoping for so Hillary gets the nomination. An RFK type?

Sorry prof, your argument stinks.

God Bless.

Round
Like a circle in a spiral
Like a wheel within a wheel
Never ending or beginning
On an ever-spinning reel

Super Delegates: Vote Obama or Else

"Obamatons are making not so subtle threats against the Super Delegates–elect Obama or there will be blood in the streets. Leading supporters of Obama are the messengers of doom.

Leave it to Barack’s folks to threaten race riots. Intimidation through the threat of violence, even race violence, is one of Obama’s insidious weapons in stampeding super delegates like a herd."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/27/super-delegates-vote-obama-or-else/

bush taking one for the team.......not like it's going to lower his ratings.......rove told scotty to write the book.....both as a sop to the sap scott and also as a distancing from mccain.........dont forget what these pipples is, how they work, and that everything they do is geared to the long run of a thousand year gop rule........

A ring is round, it never ends
The democrat party is losing many many friends.

BHO will never win florida

GORDO...

And what do you call the Clinton Big Money supporters threatening to not donate money anymore to the Democrats if Pelosi don't support Hillary?

Your a Republican Shill GORDO and everyone here knows it.

It's really obvious by all your comments that you would be happy if anything were to happen to Obama.

Julie Young 73...

Obama don't need to win Florida to win the election. Dem's haven't won Florida in the majority of Presidential Elections so why would you expect them to win it this year?

God Bless your GOP employer, she\he will need it.

Activists Prepare to 'Recreate '68' at DNC

"All Things Considered, May 23, 2008 · Activists are preparing for the Democratic National Convention in Denver this summer. Groups from around the country have coalesced under the name "Recreate '68" — a reference to the year protestors clashed with police at the party's convention in Chicago."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90781881

Julie,

Please do not mention Nancy Pelosi or whatever her name is. As a man I am disappointed by Howard Dean, but more in Nancy Pelosi and Donna Brazile. Even is she (they) doesn´t (don´t) like HRC, she (they) never ever ONCE stood up for her when the media and certain industries attacked her (being HRC) in particular and women in general.
Pelosi / Brazile are another fine example of how some women, fear competition from other (brighter) females...

Gordo,
I feel U.

Sorry prof, your argument stinks.

God Bless.

Posted by: anon-paranoid

Get in line or get out of the way folks.

Re-create 68

DO IT IN DENVER!

http://www.recreate68.org/album1_dnc_001.htm

i wouldnt go to denver unless you paid me......a lot.

Craig, the Democrats in Washington didn't want a resolution to voting machines (allowing for a paper trail) because it doesn't give them something to complain about. They are more concerned with having battles to fight than actually solving problems.

C'mon, you know I'm right! : )

mornin'all.

sturg - LOL at your 7:32.. btw, I had an inspirational drive in this morning that concluded with Terry Kath's solo from 25 or 6 to 4. Damn could that man play a guitar!

AP & GORDO - don't you have jobs to go to or something? Sheesh, such vitriol so early in the morning.

ProfMarcia, the Dem rules existed before FL moved its primary, so that part of your argument is a little weak to the extent your suggesting that the rules were aimed at FL in particular - although that was the intent of the rules in the abstract - to soften the voices of the voters in all the big states, FL included to insure for some ridiculously misguided reason that god only knows so that NH & IA (total electoral votes - 11) could continue to be the mice that roar.

you're

Patsi - you left AP out.

Read this morning where the DNC's lawyers have opined that the most the rules committee can give the errant states is 50-pct of their delegates.

In the case of Florida, at least, I suggest the approach should be a revisitation of that state's pleas for a waiver that had been previously denied. Clearly the state's party was caught between a rock and the hard place.

Michigan? Give Mr Obama the uncommitted votes and Mrs Clinton the votes that were cast in her name. Once again, grant an after-the-fact waiver.

The granting of waivers obviates the need for penalties.

Once again, voters from South Carolina should email Mr & Mrs Fowler (both are rules committee members) with their druthers. You can get to them via the state committee.

"The most trusted leaders of the Democratic party ... ought to be ashamed of themselves for supporting Barack Obama. With use of the internet, a fifth grader could connect the dots to show a picture of a guy who was picked up in college and carried up the political ladder by a corrupt gang of influence peddlers.

John McCain is just drooling waiting for Obama to become the nominee so that he can come out with the trail of dirt that the Democratic party is too afraid to reveal this late in the game. If nominated, Obama will not survive a month when faced with the Republican attack machine."

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_none_080328_barck_obama___the_wi.htm

Anon-paranoid,

Even from the beginning, your response to my post is way off base when you
write that I am a new poster.
I'm not a new poster. I've been commenting on Trail Mix for several
weeks. You don't pay much attention, do ya?

Secondly, your cliche of an argument taken from the talking points
of Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews is rather stale isn't it?
Your vague generalities like "she was telling everyone" which you use
twice is laughable. How do you know what Senator Clinton was telling people?

You Obama followers get awfully riled up whenever the topic of your
guy's disenfranchising of millions of American voters is raised. Settle
down. You will have to learn to live with the ugly truth that the Obama
posse would not allow new primaries to be held in Florida and Michigan
because Obama was afraid he'd lose. Period. Now Camp Obama doesn't want the votes counted in Florida according to the original votes cast. Again,
because Obama lost in a landslide.

Why should millions of voters be punished for mistakes both Rep and Den
Party officials made? No one but Obama and his supporters think that Florida
voters should be kicked to the curb.

This all sounds all too familiar, doesn't it? Or have you forgotten Bush v
Gore 2000? If anyone is playing a dasturdly Bush-Republican trick, it's Obama and his group of Darth Axelrods. Sorry if the truth hurts, Anon-paranoid.

When your post trails off into comments about torture and RFK, then I know you definitely aren't making any sense. Your name does you justice.
You are paranoid.

Anyway, my comments were in response to Craig Crawford's post. You might do well to read it before replying to further bloggers on this topic.

Good Morning All

Sturgeone, I love The Thomas Crown Affair and anything Michel Le Grande ever wrote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB76C3IQ0eQ&feature=related

Patsi,

There are lots of others to speak with ... just try ignoring the one who contributes only vapid vitriol without any semblance of sanity.

Hi Jason,

Your post is great. I agree completely. Pelosi and Dean are huge
Obama supporters who've been trying to shut down Hillary's campaign
for months.

And Donna Brazile is an Obama supporter pretending to be nonpartisan.

Hey
Good Morning

Gordo
If there is tape
It will come out now
not Oct.
Why?

Now ,
Hillary gets the blame
creates huge split,
Democrats more foolish than usual.

If Oct.
McCain gets the blame
big backlash
McCain goes down.

So put your money on
There is no tape

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote divided government
Vote McCain

Well folks, you can battle today, and have fun at it - as for me, I'm hitting the road to go spend the day in a dusty record room in the home of the original Mother's day celebration looking for a needle in a haystack.

Have fun, and I'll see ya later.

Prof Marcia

Brazile has been stating for quite a while, that she "will vote for whomever is in the lead with pledged delegates' so she is totally in the Obama camp just not officially declared.

if you should chance to sit down in the haystack, youre sure to find the needle........

Infighting threatens Democratic Party - Gene Lyons

"The political tragedy of 2008 would be if, in making history, the Democratic party tore itself apart. The potential exists for a schism between two of the party’s most loyal and enduring constituencies: African Americans, and blue-collar white voters in what was once the nation’s industrial heartland along the Ohio River.

Beginning in 1964, when the Democratic solid South dissolved, ... every successful Democratic presidential candidate has had to carry both Ohio and Pennsylvania, even when Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton picked up Southern states.” It’s not only offensive to scorn working-class Clinton supporters as “NASCAR man,” “ uneducated, ” “low-information whites,” “ rubes, ” “fools” and “hate-mongers,” it’s political suicide."

http://www.nwanews.com/story.php?paper=adg§ion=Editorial&storyid=227034

"you left AP out."

exactly.....

GORDO,

Your posts are always enlightening.

The tragedy is that the Democratic party has already torn itself apart this
year. The schism is already huge between African-Americans, the DNC and
the neolibs of the elite Democratic party vs working class white voters, centrist Dems and white women over 40.

Jamie (or anyone else who might know): Do you have a link to that Obama press conference after he won the Senate race where he says he needs more experience to run for President? (Like a full term as Senator?) I lost my bookmarks and can't find it. I have a friend who is lobbying SDs from Washington state and wanted to use some of the text. Any help you can provide is appreciated!

prof marcia...

And I have been commenting since late 2005 or early 2006.

I have not seen any post condemning the Republicans from any of the new posters.

In fact the biggest comments from all the new commenter's is to vote Republican if Hillary don't get the nomination.

Those who have been regulars for years firmly believe in Hillary and they show their support like I would expect them too.

It's only those who have shown up since CQ started hosting Craig's site that have constantly suggested either voting for McInsane or leaving crap like GORDO.

The Republican's lost half there delegates and there not complaining. I have already said many times that the delegates from Florida should be seated, however they should also lose half of them like the Republicans did.

I will look for the video of Senator Clinton stating that the votes of Michigan and Florida won't count later today after I get home from work and post it again like it's been posted before here.

And if you don't believe that it was highly offensive to suggest that Hillary was staying in the race in case something horrible might happen to Senator Obama like what happened to RFK than you just don't get it.

I was around when JFK, RFK, MLK and Malcolm X were the victims of Political Assassination and to use the death of RFK using the word Assassinated is beyond the pale.

And if you really are worried about a Democrat winning the White House and hoping that GWB doesn't do what a great many of us worry about {Bombing Iran and starting World War III} since he's not all there, than I just can't believe that there are Democrats out there who are really Democrats and not Dino's like Lieberman.

Where is all the outrage about the Republicans from you who call yourself s Democrats?

There is more outrage over Obama being the nominee then what our country has been through under GWB and a Republican controlled House and Senate until 2006 when the Democrats retook the House and could have gained control in the Senate if not for Charles Schumer's scheme to get Lieberman back in after the Democrats in Connecticut rejected him.

Since it appears that destroying Obama is more important to you than our changing our country and restoring our Constitution go ahead like many of the new commenter's have said they would do and vote for McInsane.

It's only those who have shown up since CQ started hosting Craig's site that have constantly suggested either voting for McInsane or leaving crap like GORDO.

Go away intruders. Didn't you see the pit bull on the property?

Patsi
Loved your post!! Before i started reading the posts of the Obama supporters here i could have voted for either Democrat but now I say NO OBAMA!!!As for the New Democratic Party No Thanks!!! I as a Florida voter and as a person born and raised in Michigan I have had enough and as of yesterday am an Independent and will either not vote or choose McCain? Really Sad I am!!

Craig Poor grade on this one....... C + at best, not normal for you.

The opening of your article gives to much of a pass to the Florida Dems and puts it all on Crist and the Republicans. After all both primarys changed and who knew then what ignorance would be displayed by the DNC. Both Rep and Dems made the change.

Talk to your fellow dems here in Florida and they also wanted to make the change - and do not blame the reps. And after all we are finding Gov Crist to not be the change agent we wanted.

He is somewhat of a disappointment -one example is his failure to help push certain mass transit projects that will be important for long term.

Looking from a Dem party view about FL & MI, you have to punish them in some way. You have to send a message to other states that they can't do whatever they want. They have to look to 2012 and keep some kind of order for the future.

Looking at it from a voters point of view, why should we be punished, we did nothing wrong. We want all of our votes counted. In Fl people did come out and vote, In MI it's not their fault Obama pulled his name off the ballot. But the voters did send a message of Uncommitted. So the best way of handling this is a revote so they can have their say.

Bottom line, some how punish the party officials but not the voters.

Ping Pong...

How true your words are.

Don't forget the Property Tax issue on the ballot either that is costing education money it needs for public services in all the counties as well.

God Bless.

Hi TonyB...

I know this puts me in a distinct subgroup here, but I'm a strong Hillary supporter who has reconciled himself to voting for Obama in November. I went through many of the same thought loops as you did -- realizing that most of my alienation from and dislike of Obama stemmed from the behavior and attitudes of his supporters. But then I realized that wasn't a good enough reason for me to vote against him. So I'm going to give him a chance.

I think McCain would be a disaster for the country -- if only that he would not represent a significant enough change from the disaster that the past eight years represents.

Oh...BTW...I remember EXACTLY when my first-post-ever here was. It was the night of Bush's 2006 State Of the Union Address -- a mere four months after Hurricane Katrina had knocked a major U.S. metro area off the grid. But New Orleans barely got mentioned in that speech, and only with a few passing words at the very end.
That alone, I thought, should have been treated as an impeachable offense. Imagine if New York, Washington and Shanksville had been dismissed that way in January 2002 -- it's so laughable to be unthinkable. And those cities were not even destroyed.
I will never forget that omission by a so-called leader of this nation as long as I live.

LardassLiberal...

Just like many of us Obama supporters will vote for Hillary if she's the nominee.

However, the rules say most pledged delegates and at this time I don't see any way she can win, unless something horrible happens to Obama.

At that point after her reference to RFK I don't believe that Obama supporters will vote for her.

But that's just my opinion.

God Bless.

Does anybody know what would be the new total delegate count if they decide to reward half of FL/MI delegates.

AP...there will have to be a dramatic gesture from both sides in Denver. I can't imagine now what form it will take...but it will have to involve honoring Hillary at length for the campaign she ran, as well as treating Bill as an beloved ex U.S. president rather than as a controversial candidate spouse. And Hillary and Obama will have to come together in a palpable way with a genuine embrace on the podium.

I think if the Dems can pull all of that off, they'll get their mojo back.

AP,

I dispise anybody pulling rank on how long one has been posting on this blog. As if that gives them seniority or extra influence as a commentor. The only censorship that should be done here is self-censorship. If you don't like what people say you are free to respond and they to you.

Believe me, there are many comments that I think are over the top and in many cases vile insults. Freedom of speech pal, and the day this site starts shutting off comments is the day your paranoia becomes reality.

Bowmanc...I'm totally with you on pulling rank based on perceived seniority here. That's so cliquish and high-school. Some of our best commentors are most recently arrived.

Ally,

Your 9:16 request.

It was a cnn video clip.

Obama 2004: I can't see running for president.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gexyfVpFMU

LOL

The ranks of independents (and former democrats) is growing. Love it.
It´s my way of saying: #$%&_()' Howard Dean!!!!!!

I will not vote McCain, but if BO is nominated will definitely sit this one out, and I call on everyone to do that alkso.
If we survived 8 years of Bush, we can survive another 4 years of MacCain.

Many thanks Nick and Coreen! I can always count on Trailmixers : )

I always figure I'm new here.

Thanx Coreen.
Just added that one to my favourites...:))

More vibbing......

This strenghtens my feeling that this whole Obama hype was created by the elitists within the party who cannot stand the Clinton´s and could not see another 8 years of Clinton in ofiice. That would undermine their families specific benefits within the party and would make the Clinton family the family to be reckoned with in US politics.
Obama is being used as a puppet and he happily obliged to it!

Sturgeone... ya killin me man. ya killin me :)))!!!!!!

Ally,

Here is the direct You Tube link to that video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8oHLJSvrFA&eurl=http://sugarnspice.typepad.com/

Jason...

The problem, as I see it, is that we may only THINK we've survived this past 8 years. Already, our democracy has been reduced to a plutocracy by the crowd of rich guys who've deceived too many of us who are NOT rich into voting rich. Another 4 years under McCain, who will be surrounded by all the usual bad actors of the ultra-rich big business types, will yield a Supreme Court that will be so right-leaning that none of us will live to see its end...and neither will our children. It will yield a government that's more completely owned by big business, which will lead to ever less regulation of their activities (greed, pollution, etc.) and ever greater destruction of our way of life and of this planet.

Voting for McCain or sitting this one out seem like utterly unacceptable acts to me.

Hi all -- hope you all had a wonderful Mem. Day weekend.

I don't know why the media insists on not counting the actual votes from FL in the tallies for each candidate. I thought only the delegates were the issue and that is a DNC matter and shouldn't be of concern to CNN, MSNBC, etc.

Jimmy Carter, I have read, is not supporting HRC and is saying she should call it quits because apparently he felt that Bill Clinton did not confer with him enough when Bill was POTUS. Bill Richardson, I have also read, is supporting BHO because even though he was part of Bill Clinton's administration in his second term, Richardson feels like he was dissed and ignored the first term. These so-called grown men and "statesmen" and others of their ilk are holding grudges for years now, but according to them, all HRC supporters will forgive and forget all the acrimony of this campaign and will support BHO. Why is holding and grudge and not forgiving past wrongs ok for them, but not for us? Do they know what they are dealing with?

As for the argument that we HRC supporters have nowhere else to go because of Roe v Wade, how can they on the one hand denigrate us as old and menopausal and on the other hand think that Roe still affects us?

Anon-paranoid,

It's a waste of time for me to go on and on with you over who is a true
Democrat and why nearly half of the Democratics today feel completely
severed from the Party.

Your judgmental and dismissive attitude about the feelings of so many
of us Democrats is telling. As a woman, I am outraged at the way Camp Obama and the Democratic Party has fostered misogyny throughout this campaign. If that wasn't bad enough, the DNC, the Obama-media, and Camp Obama used lies and spin to try to turn Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton into racists. This fact alone is beyond contempt. Throw in Obama's disenfranchisement of Florida and you have several clear reasons why
millions of Americans are turning away from the New Democratic Party. I'll add that many of us just don't think Obama is prepared to be President.
He flip flops on important issues constantly. First, he said Iran was not a threat
than he reverses himself within two days. Suddenly, now, he insists Iran is a
grave threat to the U.S. His opinions shift with the political winds.

Your judgmental tone against all NEW bloggers who don't support Obama
is frankly shocking to me.

Your moral outrage is also disengenuous. Where was your moral outrage when the DNC and Camp Obama watched silently as Hillary Clinton was called a b-word weekly by Obama surrogates?
Where was your contempt when Chris Matthews called Hillary "Nurse Ratched."
Where was your anger when Senator Clinton, who has worked for the Democratic Party her entire life, was mocked daily, her laugh called a cackle.
Were you horrified by the Hillary nut crackers that went on sale on the Huffington Post? I doubt it.

Yet, you wonder why hundreds, maybe thousands of us, are either leaving the Democratic Party or will not vote this season, maybe even vote for
McCain.

Think. Maybe the reasons the Democratic Party is so severed has more
to do with the Democratic Party and Camp Obama than with us, the ones
who've been alienated and disillusioned.

Sigh,

Anon-p, Your post was gerat up to the last paragraph when you said, Prof Marica argument stinks.

ProfMarcia didn't mean to say US Obama supporters out right NUKED the Floridians....even though that was a bit strong on the blog today.

Prof Marcia just want to clear up your use of the term "NeoLiberal;
http://www.uwsp.edu/cnr/GEM/ambassador/what_is_neoliberalism.htm

Here is a blurb, but much more on the link.

Neoliberalism can be defined as a political-economic philosophy and set of policies that established development priorities along austere capitalist paths of free trade, market expansion, and privatization, and free of governmental intervention and regulation and the concept of the public good.

I'm sure there are some here who are, but most liberals are not "NeoLiberal". We believe in taking the government away from the little people, especially economically. Right or wrong, there you have it.

Lard! I do not believe in shoving the length of time you've been on the blog down someones throat either. BUT, after reading Anon-p's post, I don't believe he was doing that.

Lets all reread and maybe with a calm less emotional Minds interpretation.

I read how upset Prof Marcia is and respect it, I read how anon-p was trying to be reasoned. I also read how it erupted after that and some others who were egging on.

Not talking about you or Sturg or.....well read.

Now to float back into the shadows and get ready for work.

CIO!

Patsi! When was the last time you read me being mean, hateful, divisive, and down right "Down Trodding" toward the people on this blog??? I rest my case.

are some here who are, but most liberals are not "NeoLiberal". We ((((DO NOT))))

believe in taking the government away from the little people, especially economically. Right or wrong, there you have it

LOL Coffee! Time for Coffee first.

CIO!

Bowmanc...

I wasn't trying to pull any rank, if thats how my comment seemed I apologize.

I was stating how all those who have showed up since CQ starting hosting have not once mentioned how bad it would be under another republican in the white house.

Also how fast they are to vote for McInsane if Hillary didn't receive the nomination.

And to how they have been over Obama having run a better campaign instead of accepting the fact that those who ran Hillary's are the biggest reason she is where she's at now in delegates or how she constantly changes the rules and metrics that were determined before the primaries even started.

And to insinuate that the election is being stolen from her is just plain wrong.

Sorry if that offends anyone, but its the truth.

God Bless.

Harbourwoman,

Thanx for responding.

I can truly understand the sentiment. I feel that.
But what do you hink we get with President Obama?
Do yout hink we will have a president who actually knows what he is doing?
He will be a puppet. A puppet in the hand of a happy few who failed miserably at their own run. And who now, want to use someone to make their losses bearable.
Those people, who are all part of a certain elitist group with enough ties to the big guns, will rule.
It has been too long since they have had their filthy hands on this country. They need it, any means necessary...
The only problem they have(d) was HRC.
They found the solution in BO.
Use him, mold him and fold him so that thay fit into their profile.

I will sit this one out, not out of anger against my candidate not being the nominee, but out of protest for a party that time and time again is trying to upstage the word they use in their name: DEMOCRAT.
This party (let me say: the ones saying that they are true democrats and pretend to lead this party)is not worth it..

If it means sitting out an election and saving my children for future damage, than I will sacrifice 4 years ....for Sure!

Chief Sheila,

I was not referring to neo-liberalism, but just neoliberals, a
word I made up. It was meant to be a play on neocons.

But, if the term is confusing, I will call the New Democrats,
the far left--neuvo-liberals, neuvo-libs. My words.

On Hillaryclintonforum.net .. one Hillary supporter wrote about her experience when Hillary was campaigning in Kentucky .. she'd drove 10 hours the evening before from Mi .. she wanted to see Bill Clinton speak at a local high school ..

the next afternoon, Hillary was at the Maker's Mark .. they also prepared a lunch for all the guest .. planned on 500, so they made enough food for 700 .. ran out, had to grill hotdogs ... she mentioned that the Youth were chanting "No Obama , we want Chele's Momma" .. thought that was cute, since it was the day before Mother's Day ...

CatBalu said this, "As for the argument that we HRC supporters have nowhere else to go because of Roe v Wade, how can they on the one hand denigrate us as old and menopausal and on the other hand think that Roe still affects us?"

I can understand that your time may have past with regards to childbirth but what about your children? Are you so shallow that your only thought is you?

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Thank ProfMarica

Much better use. Its initially imaginative and clever, but I would not call myself the very definition of what the NEOCONS have been doing to us.

Kind of funny really. I was surprised too.,

JILL ISCOL
"How DAre You!!"

We need to talk. How dare the leadership of the Democratic Party turn on Hillary Clinton! How dare they betray Bill Clinton! How dare they not speak out when Hillary is disrespected by words like bitch, whore and the "c" word! How dare they allow them both to be smeared as racists, playing the race card! Where was Howard Dean ? Where was Nancy Pelosi ? Where were Hillary's colleagues in the Senate when the Clintons were being so unfairly accused and denigrated

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jill-iscol/how-dare-you_b_103608.html

Not sure if this has been posted, it appears that the
FL/MI restoration of delegates may already have been
decided--as per DNC attorneys in a 38 page memo
to the RBC members.

In effect, the memo decides that party rules require that
both states must lose "at least" half of their delegates--
in essence that would mean that "no more" than half
could be restored. RBC could restore less than half,
but as per DNC Memo, no more than half.

Does anyone think that the RBC will decide the distribution in a manner other than as stated by the DNC memo?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080528/ap_on_el_pr/primary_scramble_1

CatBalu,
"Jimmy Carter, I have read, is not supporting HRC and is saying she should call it quits because apparently he felt that Bill Clinton did not confer with him enough when Bill was POTUS. Bill Richardson, I have also read, is supporting BHO because even though he was part of Bill Clinton's administration in his second term, Richardson feels like he was dissed and ignored the first term."

Where did you read this?

Dooty

Ever heard of responsibility and birth control? "Accidents" rarely happen except in cases of rape either by assault or date rape and most states have that as an exclusion. Late term is almost always medical necessity and most states have that as an exclusion. The focus needs to be on making solid state law consistent nationwide rather than at the Supreme level where it can change at the whim of political appointments.

Well Folks TimeFor Work!

Ya'lll have a good day. GO DEMOCRATS!!

Thank for reminding us on a regular basis Renee.

nannym: Right you are ... most delegates, including super delegates.

To all of those who seriously think that a TRUE Democrat could never ever ever vote for a Republican ... there are some Democrats who, right from the beginning, have felt that perhaps it would be a good idea to let a Republican President bear the burden of the current mess ...
Some of us, on the other hand, believe that we are in a fight for the soul of the Democratic Party. Call us old, hidebound, too conservative, what you will ... many of us see (particularly in those advising Sen Obama) a group of people who have swung so far to the left that they threaten to collide with the Buchanan wing of the Republican Party on the right. I just can't see myself on the same course as Arianna Huffington or George Soros, or even Zbig Brezenski.
As to worries about the Supreme Court ... once again let me state that the Dems look to be picking up 4-6 Senators in this election. No matter what he now says, no more Alitos or Roberts are going to be confirmed by this Senate.
Besides, there is something to be said for divided government ... it actually worked pretty well during the Clinton administration.

New Gallup poll info:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107539/Hillary-Clintons-SwingState-Advantage.aspx

Thankx Viv,

The Jill Iscol article echoes my feelings.
And I am a black man...So you can see that it is indeed not just another female saying this.....

Going home yall.
It is past five and I will not work OT today. Tomorrow I fly to Frankfurt for a conference.

For the ones knowing what the word stands for: " Stay Civilized."

Seenas Fla and Mi will be seated, the number of delegates to clinch will be higher then 2026.... ER

Holla....

Jason...

Sorry...I wandered away for awhile, and just came back to my computer.

I don't know what we will get if Obama is elected president. I don't know that he will be anyone's puppet. I HOPE he will be what he says he wants to be, but only time (and a November win by him) will tell. I'm simply more willing to take that risk with Obama rather than with McCain.

You said you could 'hear' my points and concerns. I 'hear' yours, too. Perhaps we've simply reached different conclusions about what to do relative to our fears for our country. Whatever each of us does, however, I have faith that we will each vote according to our desire for the best future we can envision for the US.

Detroit Mayor Kilpatrick Vetoes Removal Effort:

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080528/NEWS05/805280352

Tick tock , Kwame!

Jamie,
I am not talking about birth control I am talking about CatBlu's weird logic and her willingness to throw her female children under the bus due to the fact that her candidate may not win the nomination. It seems short sighted and shallow to this poster.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

maggisd...

How can you look at the weakness of our current Democratic-led Congress and have faith that the Supreme Court will be protected by them?

Horsedooty: If I may interject here ... once again, let us remember that there will be 4-6 more Democratic Senators than we now have. Should McCain be elected President, he will be unable to ram through a carbon copy of the arch-conservative judges now on the court. Don't forget that Justice John Paul Stevens was appointed by Gerald Ford and Justice Souter was appointed by Papa Bush.

Jason, it does for me too ... there's been so many times I've screamed at the TV when I hear them putting her down .. BO supporters say none have been personal .. but how can you say that when they 've got people who go to her speaches, scream & hold up sign telling her to "IRON MY SHIRT!" ...

Joan Walsh was on Hardball last night .. I was flipping when a friend pointed me it .. Joan was defending Hillary & pointing out everything that the MSM & Bo have said .. will look for that link & send it along ..

harborwoman: Big difference in a one vote majority and a seven vote majority.
Besides, I see a real possibility of either Chris Dodd (who almost won the Leadership last time) or Dick Durbin (now the assistant majority leader) stepping up to the Leadership role. Harry Reid is not entirely well.

I am not willing to risk the Supreme Court to the hope that a conservative president will appoint an anomaly or mistake, as maggisd references in her 11:12 post. We can't know who or what might be successfully RAMMED through our big-business-owned government.

Dooty

My reason for the post is that in all honesty, I don't put that much faith in Roe v Wade to begin with either as law or as a cure for a problem situation. I'm not opposed to abortion necessarily, but consider the emphasis on it detrimental to long term solutions that benefit women and children.

maggisd...

You're willing to leave too much to chance, IMO. You've also created a new Congress in your mind's eye, but I think you need to at least consider the possibility that your vision might not become reality.

Do you suppose conservatives might be thinking the same thing. We can't risk having Obama as our next president and having him appoint liberals on the Supreme Court?

Viv: Joan Walsh has been consistently fair-minded in her approach to this campaign. She has not been a Clinton apologist ... far from it ... but she has managed to look at things rationally.
Another such person is Lynn Sweet of the Chicago Sun-Times, who reported that the RFK remarks had been circulated in an e-mail to reporters by the Obama campaign ... "you know that's true" she said to the moderator of the broadcast ... something no one else has said, as far as I am aware.

Joan Walsh on Hardball!!

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/joan-walsh-fights-back-for-hillary-in-hardball/1227925930

Corey...

Of course, they have similar thoughts. However, they're in the catbird's seat, having the current majority on the Court.

Interesting how people go to Hillary's rallies and hold up signs or yell "IRON MY SHIRT!" ... and it get's little press but what if someone went to Obama's rally and yelled or held up a sign "Shine my Shoes" or something like that. We would never hear the end of it. Both are not acceptable and those people should be escorted out.

Hey Viv,

Did you scream at the television when Geraldine Ferraro made her comments?

Wandering away again. Y'all have fun....

Oh, I forgot, it must be Mr. Democrats definition. That is a TRUE DEMOCRAT.

harborwoman: In terms of the make-up of the Senate -- I go by what the polls are now reporting and what political analysts such as Charlie Cook, Larry Sabado, and the like are saying.
Also, as I have said before, I am in the unique position of having met Sen McCain and of knowing several antiquated flyboys who know him quite well ... he really is far more an Eisenhower Republican than a George Bush Republican -- and, he admires Sandra Day O'Conner a great deal.
Finally .... I live in California -- how much difference d'ya think my vote is gonna make?

By Viv:

“How dare they allow them [HillBill] both to be smeared as racists, playing the race card! Where was Howard Dean ? Where was Nancy Pelosi ? Where were Hillary's colleagues in the Senate when the Clintons were being so unfairly accused and denigrated.”

Actually, Viv, I think they were all there listening, watching and observing and thus many insiders have not much respect for either of them (now), except those wanting her to denigrate the will of the people and give them a job. Everyone knows what both of them were and are about…that is going down in history, especially the bitch, and to hell with the people. It’s all about them!!!! I’ve disliked her loud-mouthed, bobble-headed rants (with that silly damn continuing clapping) from the very beginning, even though I supported him in the past. No more. BTW, Viv, I carry the remote with me from room too room so I can mute the bitch or else I’d through it at the TV.

Change is needed and the real election process, meaning elected delegates, will determine the nominee. Dirty tricks from the Clintons will and should not be accepted. Or else, welcome President (Lamebrain) McBush and demonstrations in the streets. I remember the demonstrations in the 60’s and I’m still up for it today…for justice.

Hey Pugnacious: “not finished college” Doesn’t that say something to you? The not-so-educated in WV, SE Ohio, and KY speak well for McBush. Too bad they don't know what is good for them, IMO. Besides, he will get those people anyway...Repugs always have.

As I've said before , my sister and her husband are Catholic. My bother-in-law told me once before that they are against abortion. They have two adopted daughters. Their 9 year-old daughter's birth Mom was a 15 year-old girl. She could have easily had an abortion back then , but she chose adoption. The Father was an 18 year-old boy who was her boyfriend at the time. However , they broke up and he married a different girl. That marriage failed after a year or two. My niece's life turned out way better than it would have had the 15 year-old decided to keep her. The mother of my 8 year-old niece was 24 and already had 3 kids. She and her husband were going through a major family crisis at the time and they decided they couldn't handle another baby at the time , so they placed my niece up for adoption. I'm not totally against abortions , but I can see both sides of the issue here.

Don't forget that Justice John Paul Stevens was appointed by Gerald Ford and Justice Souter was appointed by Papa Bush.

you have way more faith in McBush doing the same thing that Ford or Papa Bush did. My take is that McBush is a gamer and will turn toward the right like his friend "a guy who we would all like to have a beer with" Bush has. No thank you.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

jamie said this, "Dooty

My reason for the post is that in all honesty, I don't put that much faith in Roe v Wade to begin with either as law or as a cure for a problem situation. I'm not opposed to abortion necessarily, but consider the emphasis on it detrimental to long term solutions that benefit women and children."

that is your thought but not mine.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Jason & All Hillary supporters .. Here it is:

Joan Walsh on Hardball

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24845662#24845662

Horsedooty: I really don't want to be put in the position of sounding like a fervent McCain supporter here ... my vote is a protest vote, pure and simple.
However, Sen McCain does have a very long record of compromise and working with Senate colleagues across the aisle. And, he's the type who likes to get things done. I really see him as someone who will consult with his former colleagues, rather than risk the t ype of extended floor fight that the Bush administration seemed to relish.

There are a lot of things on this blog that are not useful , Dog. Whining...snarky comments...etc.

info on FL/MI

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/05/fl-mi-by-numbers_21.html

I just don't hink that everyone here is going to unite around Obama. I know that's what the hope seems to be. I just don't see it at this point. We've had mostly the same arguments every day here for the last several months. I don't know of too many people who have changed their minds yet about who they think is the best candidate.

*think*

Jamie: The most profound statement I ever heard about abortion was from Sen Clinton the floor of the Senate ... she said that a government that could ban all abortions could, by the same reasoning, mandate abortions.
As someone who worked long years in the medical field, I have long felt that abortion should be regulated in the same way that other medical procedures are regulated ... and I do assure all those who worry about partial birth abortion that no reputable physician would kill an about-to-be-born viable baby, and ... if such a thing should happen ... said physician would lose his license at the least and likely also be prosecuted for murder.

I was just looking at your blog, Corey...

How 'bout them Lakers!!! woohoo!!

vadaryl: Thanks for posting that. We'll all know Saturday ... unless, of course, FL & MI decide to take it to the Convention -- and it would be their decision, not Senator Clinton's decision, as some seem to think.

Dog's eye

Very few of those on this blog denigrate Sen. Obama other than to say he is unqualified and backed by the far left power wing of the party with which we disagree.

This is hardly on the same level as the Obama supporters who call us names and go into vicious diatribes against our candidate ... just go up a couple of posts for a sample.

I would say that the majority of Clinton supporters here care very deeply about both the party and the country and feel that the party is about to make a severe error that could impact on the well being of the country. In this we disagree with the Obama supporters, but that is hardly cause to pile abuse on us for our opinions.

Jamie: Well said ... am in total agreement.

Yeah, they'll unite around Obama. Some folks will peel off, but they weren't Democrats in the first place. It's like when the community has a parade and there's been heated discussions about who's going to do this, or who's going to do that. But on the day of the parade, you see people getting dressed up and marching on down to the parade spot. Yeah, there are some nutcases who sit on their porch, arms folded and say 'I'm not going" with a smirk on their mugs, but the great majority will be there.

That's what's going to happen on election day. You'll have your kooky Gordo types, wearing their aluminum hats and sandwich boards, yelling at cars. You'll have Patsi sucking on a lemon while screaming "Sexist!" to no one in particular. But most will go to the polls and most will vote for a Democrat. So I'm not worried.

LushIsLinda .. YA beat me to it, lol ..

Maggisd: Hmm ... Lynn Sweet .. will have to look her up & read her articles .. for a long time, it was hard to find anyone speaking out for Hillary & all the bias on MSM .. but now, we're finding some, who have decided they just need to SPEAK OUT! .. I say to them: THANK YOU!!

Thanks Lush! Go Lakers , indeed!

It's laughable to see men trying to beat women over the head with Roe....especially since so few were paying a dime's worth of attention while it has been being systematically eviscerated over the past ten years.

You're all over women's issues when it suits your purposes. Bet you were writing letters about the ERA back in the day, too. ROFL!

My mission now is to get violence against women declared a hate crime. Gonna help with that?

It looks like both parties may not be thrilled with their candidate. McCain is not the Reps number 1 guy but he somehow won and it appears that Obama is the Dems with a little more than half the votes. should be interesting in Nov.

Mr Democrat: "...but they weren't Democrats in the first place."
I am a life-long Democrat from a family of life-long Democrats. I can remember being the only kid at my elementary school not running around screaming "I Like Ike." Aside from the holier-than-thou Jimmy Carter in 76, I have never voted for a Republican in my life ... not even at the local level.
I could change my mind, even now ... but I do not think the expression of regret I am waiting for will happen, and nor do I think that Sen Obama will select someone from among the centrist Democrats to be his running mate. That being the case, I reserve the right to protest the turn to the extreme left I see this party taking....

Viv: Ms Sweet has been covering Sen Obama for several years. I find her reporting to be quite fair, but some might criticize her for having printed information about how Sen Obama won his elections and his relationship with Rezko and others in south side Chicago politics. See what you think.

Patsi: If violence against women is your issue, were you originally a Biden supporter? He has been trying like crazy to get the violence against women act rewritten ... I think it might have a chance with the Senate makeup changing. It looks as if there's even a possibility that Elizabeth Dole will lose her seat to a Democratic woman.

Patsi made a WildAStatement here by saying, "You're all over women's issues when it suits your purposes. Bet you were writing letters about the ERA back in the day, too. ROFL!

My mission now is to get violence against women declared a hate crime. Gonna help with that?"

Actually no I was not writing letters about the ERA . I was a big supporter. I, unlike you Patsi, I have great respect for women. I have been married to one for over 30 years now and it looks like the marriage vows took. can you say that? didn't think so.

I wish you well with your new mission in life it is good for everyone to have a cause that they believe in. What do you want my help for?

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Maggie

"I do assure all those who worry about partial birth abortion that no reputable physician would kill an about-to-be-born viable baby, and ... if such a thing should happen ... said physician would lose his license at the least and likely also be prosecuted for murder. "

This is why I always use the words "late term". PBA is the far right's term for the medical procedure that is probably among the most heart breaking there is. Anyway, I refuse to give the right wing "naming rights".

Inheritance taxes are inheritance taxes not death taxes. : )

Dooty: You could always join NOW ... male members are not only accepted, they are encouraged.

Look who is my house!
I let her stay even though she supports you know who.

http://seasonalpantry.blogspot.com/2008/05/dog-eyes-view.html

Jamie: Absolutely agree with you on both issues. PBA is strictly a political term. I was never more horrified than when I read Justice Kennedy's decision in Carhart v Gonzales ... it was obvious to me that he was not just terminally paternalistic but that he didn't have the least clue what he was actually talking about.
Let's face it ... what we really need on the Supreme Court are more women...women who have had children and women with friends who have had children.

"Dooty: You could always join NOW ... male members are not only accepted, they are encouraged."

Gosh, that seems pretty far left thing to do. Are you sure you center of the road right leaners want me to join a radical organization like that?

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Mr. Democrat , I am an independent. I am not tied to one party or the other. I always vote for the candidate who I think is best. As I've said before , where I live is very conservative. Republicans dominate every election here. So , I don't think it's a given that people will vote Democrat where I live. The behavior here is seen differently by who you support. Obama supporters see it one way . Clinton supporters see it the other way. Some people here just don't care to get involved in it. But , as I've said before , I don't think a lot of it is "I don't like this person because they are an Obama supporter or because they are a Clinton supporter. It's "I don't care who this person supports , I just don't like this person." You can add that word , nanny.

Hi Everyone. I received a survey and solicitation in the mail from the DNC telling me I had been "selected" to fill out the survey. I felt like I had received a gift. In addition, it had a Hillary letterhead note supporting the DNC's fund raising. I answered the survey as best I could in light of what I know at this point. I, of course, will not be supporting the DNC , much less Obama if Hillary does not get all the votes in FL and MI cast for her. I have also enclosed a 3-page letter to Chairman Dean citing the arguments I am constantly making for HC. I gave scathing criticism to him, Donna Brazile, Nancy Pelosi and the Congressional women who have deserted her in droves, not to mention the men. I am overnighting this today to get there before Saturday's Rules Committee meeting. I am also enclosing a pathetically minimal contribution to keep my name on the list, promising a more substantial contribution if Hillary gets her votes. Here is the address in the event any of you want to write:

Chairman Howard Dean
Democratic National Committee
430 South Capitol Street, SE
P. O. Box 96585
Washington, DC 20077-7242

I found it very interesting last night that Keith Olbermann did not mention Hillary at all. I suppose the torrent of hell that came down on their heads at MSNBC over the RFK comments and the stretch they were making got to the right people. We need to make sure he stays silent on Hillary.

Dooty: Hmmmm....never thought of women's issues as a far left kind of thing. To quote my favorite candidate "Women's rights are human rights."

Fran: Your experience with the DNC survey / solicitation sounds like mine, except I didn't send even a minimal contribution. I know from long experience that even failure to contribute won't get my name removed from the rolls of the "faithful"....
And, I certainly hope MSNBC got enough flak to tone down KO ... although I note that, despite the evidence that has now come to light about the Obama campaign working behind the scenes to keep the RFK issue at the forefont, Tweety Matthews still led with the incident yesterday ... I don't know what was actually said, because I went back to watching replays of the French Open rather than have to listen to him make verbal love to his own opinions.

You watch tennis? Me too!

Corey: Once upon a time, in another life, I played a little competitive junior tennis. UCLA taught me, among other things, that I was not up to snuff as a tennis player....but I still love the game and follow it religiously.

"Dooty: Hmmmm....never thought of women's issues as a far left kind of thing. To quote my favorite candidate "Women's rights are human rights."

I guess it depends on where you are standing. I would swear I have heard all the right leaners saying how the NOW crowd is leftist.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

HEY CRAIG, IF HILLARY WERE TO RECEIVED EVERY DELEGATE FOR THE REMAINING 5 STATES, PR, SD, FL, MI, AND MT SHE WOULD STIL BE SHORT. SHE HAS ONLY GAINED 1 SUPER DELEGATE IN THE LAST WEEK OR 2. YOU NEED TO STOP CARRYING WATER FOR THE CLINTONS. WHAT EVER THEY PROMISED YOU, PROBABLY WON'T HAPPEN.

Dooty: I am not a right leaner. I am a moderate, centrist type of a person ... socially liberal, fiscally conservative, and believe in a strong national defense. Just like my political hero, JFK.

I thought that was Charles Bronson's job? Oh yeah , he's dead. Nevermind.

maggisd,

you should note that I never pointed to you and said you were a right leaner. Don't be so touchy. I am just fooling with you. I could join the NOW organization and I might, but it would not change yours or my vote, would it?

BTW, have you noticed how this Obama supporter has not called anyone here a bad name or denigrated the other's candidate? Not all of us choose to be other than civil.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

"Mr.Democrat" is not a Democrat. Now now. Not ever. He has his own agenda.

dooty: You and others. Only a few are name callers. Personally, I very much appreciate it.

" I would swear I have heard all the right leaners saying how the NOW crowd is leftist."

I've never seen one anti-NOW post on this board.

Dooty,

It wasn't NOW we were blasting. It was the national NARAL for endorsing Obama purely on the basis of their board of Directors opinion over a woman who had wholeheartedly supported them throughout her career. Even their member state organizations had a fit and the cancellation of memberships in NARAL was like Christmas morning for Emily's List.

"I am a moderate, centrist type of a person ... socially liberal, fiscally conservative, and believe in a strong national defense. Just like my political hero, JFK.'

Maggie, You just come sit over here by me. Some of these folks could do with a good dose of Democratic party history from when it was actually successful.

Jamie: I always wondered about the NARAL thing. You know, the founder of the organization Kate Michaelman was originally an Edwards supporter and, when he dropped out switched over to Obama. Sounds as if she was not a friend of the Clintons to begin with....I wonder why?

maggisd,
"The differences in the two GI bills was, in fact, minimal. Sen McCain sought to work with Sen Webb on his bill ... but it's campaign time, so it was a no go."

wasn't the objection that McCain had was he thought it too generous for those who only exposed their lives for a 3 year period? He is afraid if they made the bill TOO good the troops would abandon the service for college. Nice support the troops. Several think tanks think there will be some loss but the gain from those wanting and needing help to go to college will be a net gain in troops not a loss.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Jamie: You think we may be dealing with a bunch of Democrats-come-lately?

In any of you watched Andromeda Strain, that was one of my son's Strykers. I should emphasize ONE as pictures to the contrary, they only borrowed one to run around Canada masquerading as the Utah countryside.

Maggie,

"Democrats-come-lately? " Not so much that as idealistic people with soft hearts who think doing what seems kind in the short term is a substitute for practical effectiveness. They regularly forget the main truism about human beings: Self Interest

If you want more of something: Reward the behavior

If you want less of something: Punish the behavior.

Every single piece of legislation should be looked at from the standpoint of what is being rewarded or punished. Just because it looks sweet, noble and kind on the surface doesn't mean it won't give you more of a whole lot of stuff you don't want.

Jamie: You think we may be dealing with a bunch of Democrats-come-lately?

I am 63 years old and have never voted for a Republican in all that time. I am hardly a johnny come lately Democrat.

don't you remember the tag line I used to use?

I am a yellow dog democrat except I wrote it in Spanish like this

yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.
¡yo soy Horsedooty!

maggisd...

So you believe that constant investigations during Bill's term worked well?

I don't.

God Bless.

AP: No, I don't, because they were aimed at nonsense. But, don't you think we would have been better served if there had been more investigations during the term of George W Bush?
There is the old maxim of power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, as an argument for divided government.

Jamie: I don't know if I was ever that idealistic ...

Dooty: I am slightly older than you, but cannot claim to be a yellow-dog Democrat. Although a life-long Democrat, I did vote for Gerald Ford in 1976 and I still feel that it was a correct vote.

“Every single piece of legislation should be looked at from the standpoint of what is being rewarded or punished.”

Check out this gem in the tax code I just read about:
$50K new SUV >6K lbs = $25K expensed & an additional $12,500 bonus depreciation & another 20% of the last $12,500 ($2,500) as regular depreciation = $40K write-off

Now, some business might actually need SUVs, although I can’t think of any, but writing the tax code to act as life support for dinosaurs is unthinkable.

Wonder what would have happened if, instead of rushing in to get Iraq’s oil, they had spent ½ of what they “said” we would spend in Iraq on R&D here?

Reading last Sunday's NY Times, I wonder if Ron Paul is gonna make a bigger splash than we think?

good afternoon gang....

gee.... I'm not here and yet my name gets invoked twice.....

Sheila.... I have not written "go Democrats" in a couple of months..... at the moment.... I'm not pleased with the direction the party is heading ..... I'm not sure how I will vote in November..... I do know it is my choice.... and I will exercise that choice in the manner that I want no matter whatever anyone else thinks..... I've led my whole life that way and I ain't about to stop now.....

as for my definition of what constitutes a "true Democrat"..... I've posted the fact that I am a registered independent quite a few times on this blog..... I could care less what anyone's definition is of a "true Democrat" or a "true Republican"..... I think trying to fit people into labels is nonsense....

prof. Marcia..... great post at 10:16.....

KGC.... great to see you posting here again!

some of you are obviously upset that this place hasn't turned into a "rah, rah, go Obama" site by now..... tough....
get over it or don't...... the choice is your's.... enjoy!

I get up everyday and sing in my shower...... even with Bush as president....
I truly believe that life is what each individual makes of it.....

CatBalu,
"Jimmy Carter, I have read, is not supporting HRC and is saying she should call it quits because apparently he felt that Bill Clinton did not confer with him enough when Bill was POTUS. Bill Richardson, I have also read, is supporting BHO because even though he was part of Bill Clinton's administration in his second term, Richardson feels like he was dissed and ignored the first term."

Where did you read this?

Posted by: frank | May 28, 2008 10:51 AM

NY Times, I believe

CatBalu said this, "As for the argument that we HRC supporters have nowhere else to go because of Roe v Wade, how can they on the one hand denigrate us as old and menopausal and on the other hand think that Roe still affects us?"

I can understand that your time may have past with regards to childbirth but what about your children? Are you so shallow that your only thought is you?

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Posted by: yo soy Horsedooty! | May 28, 2008 10:43 AM

Of course I am worried about our daughters -- was just trying to make the point that on the one had they diss us and on the other hand, they think they need us.

CatBalu,
"Jimmy Carter, I have read, is not supporting HRC and is saying she should call it quits because apparently he felt that Bill Clinton did not confer with him enough when Bill was POTUS. Bill Richardson, I have also read, is supporting BHO because even though he was part of Bill Clinton's administration in his second term, Richardson feels like he was dissed and ignored the first term."

Where did you read this?

Posted by: frank | May 28, 2008 10:51 AM

NY Times, I believe

Posted by: CatBalu | May 28, 2008 1:11 PM

Do you have a link?

That was YOU singing , Renee?! I wondered who that was! LOL! Ready for game 5 tonight? Of course , I'll be watching the Red Wings as well. Okay , I'm off for another bike ride. I'm gonna take some pics today of my little bike route. It's kinda nice where I've been riding my bike. Cool on the tennis , maggisd. I played all throughout high school and regularly until last year. I follow tennis a lot. I like Federer and Ana Ivanovic , although I have also been a Linsay Davenport fan as well. In the 80's-90's , I was a huge Stefan Edberg fan. Alright , I'm off now. Later all!

*Lindsay Davenport , I mean*

Maggie,

Not quite sure what it is with Michelman except that there is a far left, lesbian contingent such as Rachel Maddow, Randi Rhodes, and Stephanie Miller that just seems never to have gotten past Sen. Clinton forgiving her husband for being an idiot.

If forgiving a man for being a fool was the standard for barring a woman from holding office, there wouldn't be a single woman in government.

Senor Horsedooty,

"You think we may be dealing with a bunch of Democrats-come-lately?"

You will note that my answer to that question was that it was a matter of attitude not age. I think most Democrats have the same overall goals. It is the methods and what we think will be effective where the dividing lines take place.

so am I now in your list Jamie?

used to call me dooty now it is Senor Horsedooty. Why so formal?

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

"far left, lesbian contingent such as Rachel Maddow, Randi Rhodes, and Stephanie Miller that just seems never to have gotten past Sen. Clinton forgiving her husband for being an idiot."

Why would lesbians be concerned with the Clinton's marriage?
BTW, only Maddow is a lesbian. And why is that an issue?

Senor Horsedooty, Dearest Dooty

Never have been quite sure which you prefer. You are, always have been, and will remain one of my favorite people on the list. You have mastered the skill of debating points not personalities and rarely lose your temper even in a minor way even when things get a bit heated.

Besides, I think I really like your wife. She seems like a totally neat person.

nannym: I have always wondered about this as well. But there does seem to be a large contingent of women who blame Sen Clinton both for "riding the coattails" of her husband and for not kicking him to the curb.
The poet E.A. Robinson (oh I hope I have his name correct), once wrote a beautiful poem about a woman who loved a man who was obviously not "good for her..." When people were criticizing Hillary for working at her marriage, I often thought of this couplet

We tell you, tapping on our brow, the story as it should be
As if the story of a house were known or ever could be.

Joan Walsh was great on Hardball. Chris Matthews really didn't know wharut to do when confronted with the truth.

I'm doing 3 hours of South Dakota telephone work for Hillary today.

Have fun..Ignore the knotheads!!!

Sheila...One of your comments addressed to me way up thread implied that I had said something critical of Anon-P. Not sure what you're talking about. I was only speaking in general terms about what I think is a silly notion of "blog seniority." I wasn't aware that AP had even addressed the issue, and even if he had...my remarks weren't directed at him.

Dog's Eye...To quote one of your own phrases, I think you also have "painted with too broad a brush" as well with your comments on the new commentors. Some are good. Some are annoying. Probably in about the same proportion as it is with the longtimers.

Frank

"Why would lesbians be concerned with the Clinton's marriage? BTW, only Maddow is a lesbian. And why is that an issue?"

It was a follow up to Michelman of NARAL being opposed to Sen. Clinton. For some reason that opposition started with the whole Lewinsky affair. As to lesbian, if anyone thought I meant that as a negative in general rather than descriptive of one small, very public group of personalities, I apologize.

Frank: The discussion arose in the first place because we were talking about the NARAL endorsement and I wondered why Kate Michalman had first been for Edwards and then for Obama -- and not for Hillary. Whatever their sexual orientation, there are a substantial number of women who somehow blame Sen Clinton for her husband's personal faults ... as if those faults were not the same as probably thousands of other men in positions of power.
Anyway ... it was just one of those wondering type of discussions that women often have among themselves.

OD: Chris Matthews wouldn't know the truth if it hit him in the face with a dead mackeral. He knows only his own opinions, which he mistakenly thinks are the truth.

Time for more tennis.

Obama's Modern Times

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ8ykt1Ry5M

maggisd...

Been busy working and just got back online.

The Republicans controlled the house and senate until January 2007 and they would not investigate their own.

That's why there were no investigations and the AG also wouldn'd investigate.

By the way Dianne Feinstein and Charles Schumer both endorsed Michael B. Mukasey as the new AG and see what that got us.

God Bless.

From last night.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/05/hbos-next-florida-thriller.html#comment-89757

Demonize?

That usually implies denigration of another human being or description of them or their actions as evil in some respect.

If you can find it anywhere on this list now or in the past where I have done this, I will be glad to apologize for any unintentional offense.

CatBalu,
"Jimmy Carter, I have read, is not supporting HRC and is saying she should call it quits because apparently he felt that Bill Clinton did not confer with him enough when Bill was POTUS. Bill Richardson, I have also read, is supporting BHO because even though he was part of Bill Clinton's administration in his second term, Richardson feels like he was dissed and ignored the first term."

Where did you read this?

Posted by: frank | May 28, 2008 10:51 AM

NY Times, I believe

Posted by: CatBalu | May 28, 2008 1:11 PM

Do you have a link?

I don't, Frank -- I believe it was a Sunday edition -- Maureen Dowd, perhaps.

I know the conversation has already moved on, but in response to Craig's post, I can say that Florida is very complicated situation. Being situated in the state, I have talked to both HRC and Obama fans. The problem with seating the delegates is that the election was a really, really weird and problematic one for both sides. HRC fans will tell me that they should seat half the delegates, whereas Obama fans will say that had they known there was possibility that their votes would count they would have turned out to the polls, but given the current circumstances, the delegates should be ignored.

Who knows. It looks like we've already got the (likely) answer to the problem:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/29/us/politics/28cnd-politics.html?hp

Hey
Anon
who is this hotshot
He thinks
North Dakota and Montana are in play
LOL
good one

Just keep repeating
Ohio,
Michigan
Wisconsin
Pennsylvania
New Mexico
Nevada

That is it.
They call the next election

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote divided government
Vote McCain

This link speaks of their animosity
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carol-felsenthal/jimmy-carter-and-bill-cli_b_94926.html

"I, unlike you Patsi, I have great respect for women."

Dooty -- you have much nerve saying shit like this simply because you "married a woman."

Good God.

I have just scanned the postings here and really... some of the comments blow me away. Why all the personal attacks? We aren't going to change any minds, except maybe in a negative way. People need to stop quartering and filet - ing everyone and everything here; it's just not healthy. And please, just because people have difference preferences than your own, stop accusing them of not being true Democrats. Democrats are not monolithic as this campaign has shown. Throwing that in someone's face who is passionate about a candidate and maybe unwilling to support another doesn't mean the person is or is not a Democrat. If someone says "I'm a Democrat", who are we to question it?

I just don't know what the future brings, but we don't need to keep insulting each other.

I am off to watch DEADWOOD. In a way it's a metaphor for the blogsphere (not just here you guys so relax). xoxoxoxox

Tom

LOU DOBBS RADIO SHOW alert!

Lou Dobbs’ war against Barack Obama continues! The show begins at noon PST and 3 p.m. EST.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/28/lou-dobbs-radio-show-alert/

Listen link:

http://www.loudobbsradio.com/listen.asp

Lard so sorry,

I think I said that I agree with you that long time affiliation with this blog doesn't make us ALL THAT.

I did think however your comment was in tune with everyone else. So I appoligise,

THis place has a way of confusing sometimes.

"Patsi; as a recent guest of doots, can attest that he shows great respect to women, listens with interest to what they say, and responds courteously. "

Women like you maybe.

Patsi,

Doots is a truly nice man. I know the two of you have sparred, but please know this is not regular behavior for him, and he doesn't deserve cannon fire when a cap pistol will do.

Thanks Jamie and Dog but I don't care what she thinks of me.

I don't think much of anyone that can't put together a group of thoughts without using curse words. In my mind, it just shows how crude that person is.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Craig,

Hope this doesn't affect you, unless there's some advantage for you on the retirement side of things:

"Times will reduce staff, freeze pay

By Times Staff Writer

Published Wednesday, May 28, 2008 9:23 AM
ST. PETERSBURG – The St. Petersburg Times will offer an enhanced retirement option to reduce its payroll and, depending on response, could resort to layoffs later this year. The newspaper also is imposing a one-year wage freeze for remaining employees."

I look at our local rag, The State, and it's collapsing. Classifieds have dropped to nothing and, along with that, editorial and news content is perhaps half of what it was a year ago.

I did order your two books--they should arrive today--and I really look forward to your project with Helen Thomas.

I thought a few of you might learn a lesson from the fact that Craig chose to blow the entire weekend's posts away.....

guess I was wrong.....

Corey..... yes I'm ready for game 5..... and with the Red Sox playing on the west coast, maybe I'll try watching the whole game.... I usually watch the Sox first and then turn on the last half of the basketball game..... I have to admit that watching an entire basketball game is kinda boring for me.....

I love it -- Dooty -- who calls himself horseshit online, says others are cussing.

It's fascinating how fast he turns on people, too.

see what I mean?

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Have no fear, Jamie. This too will pass.

The rules for the rules committee

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008

Lynn C,

not getting that link to work.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Isn't amazing to watch two grown men join up to beat on one small lady.

I know she's tougher than you, but does it really take two?

And there's free speech here, right, so doesn't that go for cussing too? How is cussing any worse than what you bullies do with your high brow insults.

Actually -- it doesn't take anybody. I am sickened by the ugly tone here. And so, I take my leave.

I am sickened by the ugly tone here.""

Me too. I'm sickened by the ugly people here that cause the ugly tone.

There's a lot more really good people here, but the ugly ones do everything they can to rid us of them.

My God, any republican that wanders over to this blog must be screaming with glee. The mud fest here is amazing. Fratracide.

We need to start keeping a "book of the dead" just as a shout out to all the folks who don't come around as much anymore...to let them know we miss them and hope they come back when things settle. At least I hope they do:

Off the top of my head, I'm thinking of recent vintage...

KGC
Tylenol
Blonde Wino
Wendy
Warren
Heather

...and going back further...
Trial Lawyer Rich (who I haven't seen here in months and months)
MadMustard
PissedOffPatricia
BluenDallas (she comes around every once in awhile)
Julie

...Anyway...those are just a few that come to mind, and there's many more in our Craigslist diaspora. I hope you know you're missed.

Mr. Crawford; I also am looking forward to your thing with Helen Thomas.
While we were picking a VP for John who came marching home, nobody mentioned Jeb Bush, you know, the dynasty, the American Royal Family, etc., etc., etc. This is why Florida will vote for McCain in Nov. unless Hillary is the nominee. Especially the latinos, lest we forget, Jeb Bush's wife is a Cuban.
But then we've been told that the Party doesn't need these vital states anymore, they have a whole bunch of new voters.
prof.marcia: 6:46 AM; I couldn't have said it better myself.

LardassLiberal:

It is nice to be remembered, even if it is in reference to the "book of the dead", aged and yellowed as I am. I don't get to stop by much but that is only because they have to truck the internet into my new location.

This 'series of tubes' has a few kinks in it.

I'm sorry to hear that things have gotten a bit rowdy around here, but political blogs get that way from time-to-time.

Jamie
You said nothing offending.Some folks just live there lives to offend others and make it appear at all times that they are the Offended Ones Ignore them there not worthy of you.
Lard Thankyou for the thought provoking post this a.m. regarding my change to being an Independent and possible vote for McCain? I will give what you said and many other things alot of thought before Nov.That said four me Obama is someone I dont like or TRUST!!!

A Haiku

When of troubled mind
The wind blows through petunias
As my garden calls

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote divided government
Vote McCain

I hope people are aware that paranoia is a disease of the mind, even anonymous paranoia

Craig,

You made FishbowlDC!

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlDC/capitol_hill/craig_crawford_is_his_own_formidable_opponent_85631.asp#disqus_thread

(Of course, all the cool kids have already seen this.)

Jamie, Patsi --

Maybe this is why someone's fanny was in flames today...

Look who is my house!
I let her stay even though she supports you know who.

http://seasonalpantry.blogspot.com/2008/05/dog-eyes-view.html

Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | May 28, 2008 11:58 AM

Someone else he thought he had slaughtered, banned and sent to crone's hell came back happy, generous, fine and dandy.

Darn you women. So hard to kill.

sorry about the broken link

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/28/123119/524

Mad...LOL.
"Book Of the Dead" was the name we gave to such a document in the place where I used to work.
Those of us who kept it understood the irony that the dearly departed were actually less "dead" than those of us who remained.

I'm liking Scott McClellan a bit better now. I have half a mind to take him off The List. But only 1/2 a mind. If the color gray were here, I'd make him gray. At last, the truth will set you free!

"White House Reacts Negatively to Ex-Aide’s Book"

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/29/washington/28cnd-mcclellan.html?em&ex=1212120000&en=e0c1f74711825f45&ei=5087%0A

Another article says that the White House is 'puzzled' by this book. *L*L*L*

The makes Obama a stronger candidate, IMHO. He was the dude who voted against the war.

tt

The List, one more time:

Culture of Corrupters & Family Values Evil Doers

A - Abramoff, Jack; Allen, George; Ashcroft,John; Army, US (Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch lies): Allen, Bob (trolling for $20 sex in bathroom); Addington, David (Cheney's Chief of Staff & Counsel & justifyied torture)
B - Bush, George; Brown, Mike (FEMA Brownie);(Black, Conrad on trial now); Batgnal, Joel (Homeland Security - Bin-Laden intel leak)
C - Cheney, Dick; Cunningham, Duke; Craig, Larry (bathroom lewdness)
D - Delay, Tom; Doolittle,John (R-Ca Abramoff scandal); Doherty, Chris (Reading First cronyism scandal, Education Dept.)
E -Edelman, Eric (Defense - Letter to Hillary)
F - Frist, Bill; Fastow, Andrew (ENRON); Foley, Mark; Foggo, Dusty (CIA); Feith, Douglas (Pentagon official distorted prewar intelligence); Fielding, Fred (W.H. counsel Bin-Laden intel leak)
G - Gonzales, Alberto (Fredo); Goodling, Monica; Griles, J. Steven (deputy interior secretary, lied re: Abramoff favors); Giuliani, Rudy (dirty money); Goeglein, Tim (plagarizing Bush aide)
H - Hassert, Dennis; Hannity, Sean (Fox noise); Haggard, Ted (lusty evangelist); Hughes, Karen (Counselor to Bush)
I -
J -
K - Kidan, Adam; Kaden, Robert & Kristol, William (war architects. co-founded the Project for the New American Century); Kohring, Vic (AK State Rep extortion and bribery re: oil tax bill); Kott, Pete (AK extortion and bribery re: oil tax bill); Krongard, Howard J., Inspector General, Department of State - fraud & abuse in Iraq
L - Lewis; Lay, Ken, (ENRON); Libby,Scooter; Limbaugh, Rush (just because)
M - Myers, Harriet(attorney?); McNulty, Paul (Federal Deputy Attorney General - hearings); McConnell, Mitch (money to BAE)
N - Ney; Novak; Nacchio, Joe (Qwest insider trading); Nord, Nancy (lead toys); Nielsen, Jeffrey Ray (Rohrabacher (R-CA) aid, lewd lewd acts on a child)
O - O'Reilly, Bill (Fox noise)
P - Putnam, Adam (conservative media machine-Pelosi); Perle, Richard (Neo-Con jerk); Prince, Erik (Blackwater)
Q - Quakenbush,Chuck (California Insurance commissione)
R - Rumsfeld, Don; Rove, Karl; Rice, Condi; Rudy Tony; Renzi, Rick (Rep-R AZ govt land swap)
S - Safavian, David; Scanlon, Michael, Stillwel, Roger; Skilling, Jeff (ENRON); Small, Lawrence (Smithsonian): Stevens, Ted (Alaska); Spitzer, Eliot (NYS Govenor, sex scandal)
T - Tobin, James; Tobias, Randall (State Dept. & call girls); TEXAS (Because it exists); Tanner, John (DoJ, racist)
U - Ullman, Harlan (expert on national security & on madam's list); U.S. Congress (for knuckling under to Bush); Urbahn, Keith (Rummy's aid)
V - Voltz, Neil; Vitters, David (LA Senator & the D.C. Madam); Villegas, Martin; (Bush's bootmaker & illegal shipments of banned skins into the U.S.)
W - Wolfowitz, Paul; Westmoreland, Lynn (10 Commandments); Weyhrauch, Bruce (AK extortion and bribery re: oil tax bill)
X -
Y -Yoo, John (legal authority for torture)
Z - Zachares,Mark (former congressional aide to Don Young (R-AK), pleaded guilty to accepting tens of thousands of dollars in gifts from Abramoff in exchange for his influence-peddling.)

tt

I'll be real interested in what KO has to say about McClellan tonight.

tt

Don't kid yourself...McClellan has really upset the Bushies who were in with Bush and Cheney when McClellan was PS...I can tell from the tone in the voices of the ones Gregory is i-viewing right now on msnbc....

Okay , I uploaded a bunch of new pics to my blog this afternoon.

Oh and this is for the ladie's here. I think this is needed after reading some of this afternoon's posts. It may take a few seconds to load. But , please enjoy!

http://www.imeem.com/tkun/music/7CC-Ehx9/the_whispers_toast_to_the_ladies/

Well, I haven't been around much lately but never did say much so guess I wasn't missed, but that's not a "woe is me" comment. I'm still trying to figure out the thing with typekey cuz I hate the rigamarole of signing in etc.

I agree with the folks who are amazed at the personal judgements and attacks that bloom up so suddenly here. Some of you don't seem to get enough hassle out of everyday life. Me, I've had my share and then some, and know where to find more, should I feel the need. I honestly believe the media is the demon in this election cycle, making broad statements and generalizations which circulate and rouse antagonisms.

Edward Arlington is the poet you referenced and one of my favorites - a midwesterner and not studied enough in school. Another great one is Edgar Lee Masters, many of whose poems are in the forms of epitaphs in a cemetery . "Butch Weldy" is terrific in giving depth to workmen's comp arguments. "Richard Cory" was written by Robinson, but I could have mixed the two poets up there. I do that. "Miniver Cheevy" is in there also. Poetry has a very calming effect and I think I'll go read some.

Don't know if this has been posted, but from the Los Angeles Times...

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-dems29-2008may29,0,7280225.story

Congress is gonna have hearings on the safety of horses in horse racing?

So with this meeting on Saturday, the Clinton folks are going to take the role of the Republicans, by flooding the room with intimidation and crowd disruptions? I'm glad that Obama is telling supporters to stay away from this fiasco.

bethyboo,
Thanks for the tips on some good reading.
I'm with you, there's enough hassle.
It would be nice if this were a safer place to be.
But it does have it's good times too.
Depends on who's here.

BTW Renee , your post 1:07 was spot-on. I didn't say that earlier , but I felt it was. You are joining Sturge as another voice of reason here. Even if Sturge does not believe he is sometimes.

Hey

same theme
Different direction

Where your money is
There is your heart.

Where is McCain
Sending his money.

Ohio -- $483,184

Pennsylvania -- $228,159

Michigan -- $227,978

Iowa -- $107,940

West Virginia -- $84,275
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2008/05/wheres_mccain_s.html

Why West Virginia?
Google TV stations, West Virginia

It explains a lot

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote divided government
Vote McCain

Gallup Daily

Obama over Clinton lead narrows again

Obama / McCain matchup tied

Clinton beats both McCain and Obama in GE

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107548/Gallup-Daily-McCain-46-Obama-45.aspx

A Better Place To Be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y0dcizOTI0&feature=related

Long, but Harry Chapin is always worth the time.

A Haiku

The Mockingbird sings
Flipping, dancing, with delight
Relax knotted brow

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote divided government
Vote McCain

Looks
like Pug
Has his finger
on the pulse of Crawford's
List.

Except
for the fact
that

Friends dont let friends vote for republicans
vote democrat
vote Hillary

other than that minor
detail......

the haikyou say.......

Bethyboo,

My thoughts precisely. Where have you been all my life?

Dexter,

Everything upsets the Bushies. They are so thinned-skinned.

I must differ with those who believe that comments about Senator Clinton's "cackle" were sexist. In fact, they were not. What the commentators were pointing out was that the laughter seemed manufactured and inauthentic (as well as, at times, inappropriate).

Since Senator Clinton had not laughed in that way before that period, it registered as phony. It seemed like she adopted the laugh to seem more warm or human, much as Vice President Gore was criticized for wearing earth tones and casual clothes to soften his image during his campaign.

Too, Mr. Bush has been criticized for his heh-heh-heh type of laughter.

When one wants to see discrimination, whether on a sexist or racial or religous level, one can read too much into a comment.

In the case of talk about Senator Clinton's laugh, I think comments were justified; she was inauthentic, and that particular laugh vanished as quickly as it came.

like howard dean's famous "scream"?

When one wants to see discrimination, whether on a sexist or racial or religous level, one can read too much into a comment.'

or in to a laugh

Yes Sturgeon.
And then there's that.

Benjamine Blue

The point is that they didn't "say" phony, manufactured, or inauthentic. They said "CACKLE". It is one of those words that creates an image. The old crone stirring the caldron before taking off on her broom or the biddy hen pick pecking her way around the barnyard.

It may sound trivial, but when you have a year and a half of loaded adjectives and negative images they start to feel like knives. Just the other day a male correspondent used the words "frantic" and "maniacal" about her. The commentary overlaid pictorial images of her dancing to a reggae band for goodness sake.

It is how the press and opposition create a slanted view in order to minimize the competition. They couldn't beat her on ability so they made it a mission to destroy her as a person.

olberman says hillary could well take it all the way to the convention...........lol

course old chuck todd is trying to mealy mouth his way out of that circumstance.......

them some funny pipples......

10-YEAR treasury note closed over 4% , first time since Dec 2007..... Does that indicate inflation, higher mortgage rates? Where are the financial people? Wondering what that means for our economy?

Keith Olbermann is Approaching Self-Parody
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/265231.php

No matter if I don't agree with him, Olbermann is sharp, concise, and very intelligent. But no one is perfect.

"What's more, Clinton was the only top-tier candidate to refuse the ultimate Iowa and New Hampshire pander by removing her name from the Michigan ballot. That makes her essentially the de facto winner since Edwards and Obama, caving to the cry babies in Iowa and New Hampshire, took their name off Michigan's ballot. Sure, the DNC has stripped Michigan of its delegates, but that won't last through the convention. The last thing Democrats can afford is to alienate swing states like Michigan and Florida by refusing to seat their delegates.

So while Obama and Edwards kneecap their chances of winning, Clinton is single-mindedly focused on the goal."
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1/2/12427/74720

from dailykos his self so it must be true.
via talkleft
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/28/195851/397

Iran strike an unattractive last resort: Bolton

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080528/ts_nm/iran_bolton_dc_1

"John Bolton, who was a leading hawk in President George W. Bush's administration, told an audience at the Hay literary Festival that five years of "failed" negotiation with Iran over its nuclear program had left just two options for dealing with the issue -- regime change and use of force."

Well at least now it is easy to see why the Republicans take the position that negotiations would make no sense...

(Although it is never good to see the so-called Foreign Policy experts in the Bush camp raise this notion....)

Here is why talking makes sense. Even if the talks fail to result in a peaceful solution - America is seen to have given a good-faith effort to work out this situation diplomatically.

Then - if use of force is necessary - a clear case for war can be made. The world community put forth a reasonable plan for Iran to go forward in peace and with economic incentives without nuclear weapons - and Iran rejected it. Iran's past behavior, refusal to negotiate, and pursuit of nukes - makes Iran a threat.

This provides a better prospect for legitimate coalition help - unlike the support given to Bush's unpopular Iraq war.

Further - bringing troops hope from Iraq will decrease
the strain on our military - and increase the threat we pose to Iran.

But don't forget - diplomatic talks at least present the possibility that war can be avoided. Which is something that should be pursued - not dismissed.

Huckabee called Bush's Foreign Policy - an "arrogant bunker mentality". That is a pretty apt description of the GOP's stance.

"Sometimes, maybe, the only way to really understand how your idols sound from the other side is to actually find yourself on the other side of them." reg. Keith Olbermann

I admired him until I found myself on the wrong side. And it sure felt a lot different over there.

Not discount your feelings, but I have been there with Olbermann too. With most of them one time or another. This is why it is punditry and commentary and not news.

Focusing only on Keith Olbermann's "Special Comment" last Friday is akin to believing that the infamous 20-second compilation clip of Reverend Wright was representative of the minister's total career.

I continue to value Countdown and find much there which with I can agree. It offers many thoughtful, articulate insights.

To totally discount the show is a lot like Mr. Bush insisting that he will not talk to his perceived enemies. Mr. Bush has a childish view that if he covers his eyes, the bad people will disappear.

Of course, I do not consider Keith to be "the enemy," don't get me wrong. But to those who used to like Keith and/or MSNBC and who now villify both, I say, "don't give up." It's better to watch a network where there is at least a bit of independent thought; as Scott M.'s book confirms, certain other networks are content to give us "news" spoon-fed by the administration, and that "news" is of no use at all.

Campbell Brown aka Mrs. Dan Senor yet another member of the CNN Republican Spouses Club.

The White House calls McClellan's book *sour grapes*. That's blogger talk! They've been reading the posts here! LOL!

"how afraid these repugs are of us fags. "

Well you never know. Harvey Fierstein might show up in bunny slippers. : )

KO without Dan Patrick is kinda like David Spade without Chris Farley.

Another flood prediction goodness we will all drown.
How many times have we heard about the mass defections of SDs

Like every day, every hour.
I may pee my pants waiting for the next one.

For a laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjrv9CSOQRA

Oh If we are going to do knives

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57wVsVvVjM8&feature=related

Corey those redstripe beer commercials are funny
I like this one.

Red Stripe Creepy Foot Doctor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2S_UOHlueY

Jack

Little Eva-- The Locomotion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1mQwXW2MVg

Jack

Burrito

I don't see 4-pct as being particularly ominous. It's still a historically low rate--at the low end of what I would consider healthy for the long run.

Delta Rhythm Boys - Take The 'A' Train
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86s1C3V0NlY

Jack

Burrito, Flatus
A news story about the bond sale. The sale was a bit sluggish. The article seemed to think that was good news. Good for whom, I don't know
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601110&sid=adzuA1Pu85jo

Locally, in the neighborhood the bank repo houses are being cleared out. One set 2 block from here went from 60,000 each to 8-10,000. The old junker houses are now down where they should be. If we can get credit to loosen up so a person can sell a good one

Thats the market report

Jack.

McCain criticzes Obama on Iraq again. I guess McCain has moved on to the general.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080529/pl_bloomberg/a34faeytmxdo

"You know the difference between 'American Idol' and the Democratic primaries? See, they count the votes on 'American Idol' from Florida and Michigan." --Jay Leno

Nick all the Red beer commercials were a hoot, I watched several and will go back later.

I enjoyed trading youtube links over the weekend.
I wish I had kept a list.
I was going to go back at my leasure and save several of the gems I found. But Craig deleted them all.
Oh well
That is life

How about some more music
DELTA RHYTHM BOYS PAPER DOLL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvwJnJ0MHYg

Jack

"Barack Obama was endorsed by 90-year-old Senator Robert Byrd. 90 years old, yeah. Byrd said, 'Obama will make a great president, and if he doesn't, I won't be around anyway.'" --Conan O'Brien

Lesbians like girls , duh!

I was reading an article on Italy's part in WWII and Benito Mussolini yesterday on Wikipedia. This is part of what was included in the article:

"Some historians believe that Mussolini was induced to enter the war against the Allies by secret negotiations with Churchill, with whom he had an active mail correspondence between September 1939 and June 1940 [2]. The journalist Luciano Garibaldi wrote that "in those (disappeared at lake Como in 1945) letters Churchill may have exorted Mussolini to enter the war to mitigate Hitler's demands and dissuade him from continuing hostilities against Great Britain as France was inexorabily moving toward defeat. In light of this, Mussolini could urge Hitler turn against the USSR, the common enemy of both Churchill and Mussolini".

Nick
The whole weekend's posts are gone or at least I can't see them. The archives go from the 23rd then skip to the 27th.

Charlie Parker - Summertime (Jazz Instrumental

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1bWqViY5F4

I'm out of here for the night at least.

Jack
I

Max,

My post was benign.

Good night Jack and all,

Cooking is finished and now to put my feet up and watch that special on the Scott McClellan special.

That's OK Nick. Thanks for the offer. I will rediscover them Fourth of July. The hunts half the fun.
There were some nice rare finds though.

Good night
thanks again

Got to get up early and get some stuff done

Jack

Here's a story about the word *Naked*.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1sN3sTqC8U

The Tick Tock Dance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNL0epMjuS8

tiptoe, 5:59; You're Good and if you do your own research, your really good........

politicallypissed, I'll say I'm really good. Huh?

KO's have Scott on tomorrow night.

tt

LS in DC.

I think now that there is no news media. that what we used to call them, news media. There is no media that presents the news as even pbs has tipped its hat to Obama. Even the Daily Show has entered the tag team sector as being pro-Obama. that last one bothers me the most actually because i loved Jon Stewart for blasting the Carlson/Begala nightmare. He tries to make his show look non-partisan but he opens his shows knocking Clinton. I would love to see someone who would slam them both - we need to be constantly reminded that these people are politicians who have to appeal to a wide range of voters. But starting off slamming Clinton and then ragging on Obama for repeating himself - that's not balanced or equal, that's saying she's a whiny bitch and he's just boring.

Craig, the time is ripe for a real NEWS show. journalists are taught to use powerful words, evocative of strength or pathos or emotion. That has created a situation where a politician you like 'states' and a politician you don't like 'complains'. The good guy 'agrees' and the bad guy 'admits.' these question-begging terms are so ubiguitous that the listener can't keep. Some politicians 'gripe' and some 'note' while others 'question' while the next ones 'attack'.
Craig, the nation is screaming for a news show, just facts and dates with no impressive descriptive words to hold the readers or viewers attention. what do you say? There might be someone who might be willing to take a chance and by-pass the histrionics of the media as we know it today. The pendulum might be swinging after the farce of this year.

Montana polls close at 8:00 p.m. MDT

Not that I care. I've already moved onto the general. But....TICK TOCK!

Here's all the info:

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/MT-D.phtml

Tick Tock

politicallypissed, actually I got input from some listers here on some of the list.

I started it when I realized Abramoff, Bush, Cheney and Delay all in the news at the same time. It seemed like a natural.

tt

Bethyboo,

Despite the generalization of how all the media are slanted.

Charlie Gibson and ABC still report in the same objective view of Peter Jennings. I rarely see anything in anyway slanted on the nightly News Broadcast.

Try them.

Everybody who claims to be true Democrats put wont vote for the Democratic Nominee which will be Obama because he is black should not call themselves democrats . When it comes down to it, that will be the reason people wont vote for him and the democrats will lose the presidency if indeed they do lose. If they are true democrats then they would vote for him and not McCain just because Hillary didnt when the nomination. Obama won this thing fair and square, he ran a heck of a campaign. The way it seems to me is if people would rather have another 4 years of bad everything, then go ahead and vote McCain or just put your prejudices aside and vote for the person who can make progress and change. I also want Hillary supporters to realize that the same way some white people wont vote for Obama, black people wont vote Clinton and its a lose-lose situation for the democrats and it would be sad if it had to get to that point especially in a year that the democrat should have one. If McCain wins, then you may say at least the white person won well so be it.

Don't worry Mike,

Doesn't take true Democrats for Obama to win an election.. Just Plain Americans will do.

Vote Obama or Else? Guess Again!

"DNC & SUPERDELEGATES, PAY ATTENTION — WE WILL NOT FOLLOW ALONG LIKE SHEEP"

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/28/vote-obama-or-else-guess-again/

Obama's Path to Victory in November

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer/obamas-path-to-victory-in_b_103880.html

With Obama inching ever closer to clinching the Democratic nomination, some of his opponents have resorted to a campaign aimed at convincing superdelegates that, no matter how much they like him, "Obama just can't win."

In fact, the odds are good that Obama will win the Presidency. And if Democrats execute with precision during the campaign, the odds are good that he will win with a healthy margin. Here's why

Here's your man Tully, good luck with that!

Grandpa Gaffe rides again. roflmao

John McCain's policy toward Iran:
1) He thinks that there is no difference between Sunni and Shia. Otherwords, doesn't know Shiite from Shinola.
2) He thinks that Khumeni and Amajenadad are the same.
3) He thinks we've been talking to them for 20 years.
4) He thinks we should "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran."

"I think the slogan for the McCain/Lieberman campaign should be "Ahhhh... close enough" -jdb

Just a little more from that article....

If the election were held today -

before the campaign begins - polling shows that he would have very high odds of winning states with 273 electoral votes, more than the 270 needed to win election.
More importantly, he would win this victory without needing the states of Ohio, New Hampshire, Nevada, Virginia or Florida

The Next McGovern?

http://tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=ec466d61-a900-414c-8daf-16ff27ccf85c

Democrats Defecting

"These are everyday Democrats, most of whom are just casual visitors to political websites. They are mostly women, although many men have written too, and they have been the foundation of the party for decades. Many of them were Reagan Democrats re-captured by Bill Clinton. Almost all consider themselves “lifelong Dems.”

Anyone who’s paying attention will understand that we’re witnessing an extraordinary movement, one which could lead to the creation of a structured third party or a significant population of former Democrats registered as “independent.” It is already underway."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/27/democrats-defecting/

Pffff
Sickening.

People who at the expense of anything want to force their meaning upon others. Sometimes you have to laugh about it. Other times it can make you angry.

Anyhow,
Ignore! It will resolve and play out by itself.

Glad to see more tennis fans around.
I watched the Sharapova match yesterday and I have to say, Enjoyed it.
Watched in agony how my favourite Juan Carlos (El Mosquito) was forced to retire....
Today Venus will take to the courts. Hope I will have landed by then, so I can watch in entirety...V is my girl, hope she performs well....

For the oens interested, please listen to Ickes during the 50 minute outline. You gotta love the man....

Gordo,
I am in the camp, and I have to say...it is a good camp.

Want to invite everyone to experience the independent camp. Check out of DNC. It worls miracles for me.

Am now in an think tank group from FL. Amazing. Two days ago two 30 someting guys also left DNC and came to our tank...They as well are gonna sit the GE out is BO is the nominee....

Jamie,

your 11:40 is on the money!
Once again...well said!

I think that seathing Fl and Mi is not so much about how many delegates , but moreover that SHE won both states and they are crucial swing states.
I think HRC scored another victory by forcing DNC to make a decission on seathing those states.
If DNC seats them than another two states for HRC and the popular vcote tally wiith that...

Of course MSM is passing up on that news also.

Oh...To those interested. I have been CNN less for two weeks as of today. No websites, no watching. Rehab is going great. LOL

The girl gets banned again
Posted on May 28, 2008 07:11am CST

From Where I Stand by Joan Chittister, OSB

This primary season, one of the strangest in history, is awash in nonconsequentials. It has swung back and forth between the statements of two pastors and the comments of two women, all of them at best secondary to the real issues of the time

http://ncrcafe.org/node/1852

viv
!:^}

Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Clinton?

Y A W N.

It took a Clinton to clean up after the first Bush, It will take a Clinton to clean up after the second Bush.
Priceless comment...

Venus is up first today! Get ready for blasterous serves today :))

Gordo: great article, have passed it on ...

viv
!:^}

Who am I, and why am I here? - John McCain 2008

ROFL

Yep Viv,

I followed your lead. :))

I send it to all of the 427 contacts in my group and asked them to pass it on also! Very Important
This artiucle is truly important.
Can someone send it to MSM as well...Eventhough it may not be picked up, we at least send it.

I will send to my former party leader Howard Dean and Ms Brazile.
Also will send it to Wax face Pelosi. Does someone have her email...???? Or better: can someone send it to her?

Also, thnx Gordo for the article.....

Thnx,
J.

Gordo & Jason - thanks for the news re the article. As far as emailing it to Pelosi, you can only email her as a rep if you are in her district - she says that's out of politeness to other reps (?), but you should be able to email her as speaker of the house.

As for the article, there is room for comments and I have to say I made one and went gung-ho. I have contemplated posting it here, but fear cannibalism. To everyone who hasn't checked it, I hope you do. It's about being unhappy with the party, and I personally think both parties have to get over their desire to grasp power tightly to their breasts and share it with the people, you know, the DEMOS, those who gave the name to democracy.