Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Woo hoo! First!

Good morning everyone! Craig -- I just loved those videos! Very creative of you. I especially loved the song, "We're All in This Together" and the "Don't Look Down" shot of the Bush statue coming down, Baghdad-style. Thank you for making them for us to enjoy.

Yesterday we were fooling around with a western theme and naming politicans to play the roles. I suggested Carter as the oily character that ties Hillary to the tracks.. (he is telling her she has to get out).

WELLL. Ha Ha .. this morning No quarter has a picture of Hillary tied to the tracks and an acticle about Halperin and sexism..

Sorry I can't do a simple copy & paste with the new windows 7. It only works a 10th of the time..

It is about half way down the page. Thought it a funny coincidence..
Julie

For those of you who like to follow the internecine affairs of the DNC in minute detail, here is the roster of the RBC which will be meeting this Saturday to determine the fate of Florida and Michigan delegations. You can't tell the players without a scorecard.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/dnc-rules-and-bylaws-committee-2008-05-27.html

Good morning Julie! I caught that a little bit when I skimmed through yesterday's chatter. I didn't know the origins of it, though. Thanks for filling it in.

Well, well, well. Looks like Scott McClelland didn't just throw under the bus. Scottie climbed into the driver's seat of the bus, drove it over Bush's body and then threw it in reverse and backed over him for good measure.

Switch Candidate

Kevin Rodriguez - Virgin Island switched from BO
to Hillary

Georgia delegate - Verna ? Delegate for Hillary..

Julie

In response to your post, Craig,

The answer to your question "why did national Democrats fear Florida so much?" I'm not a conspiracy theorist , but I believe the answer is because
the DNC and Washington insiders desperately wanted Obama to win the primary and they suspected he would lose Florida by big margins early in the season.
So, what better way to help insure their candidate would win the primary than to nuke Florida by setting up a convoluted method of disenfranchising the entire state. It seems to have worked beautifully. Trouble is, in the general
election, the neoliberals, the New Democratic Party, will have a bit more
trouble ignoring a major swing state like Florida. And Obama will probably again lose the state, big time. According to recent polls, Hillary Clinton actually beats McCain in Florida. But, rather than go with Senator Clinton,
a much better candidate against McCain, the far left wing of the Party are
intent on running Obama.

Wow Halperin sure is getting it from the ladies on his misognistic statements.. I agree that the misognist statements toward Hillary have been too much - too many.. Dissing the ladies is not a good thing to do. The democratic party has stood by and not said a word. Especially the Obama patron-Nancy Pelosi.. and Howard Dean. Making the ladies mad sure is not going to get their votes fellows..

Julie

Will Scott McClelland ever get another political job in his lifetime?

Scott who?

Will little Scottie McClellan ever get another political job? Oh, people have bounced back from far worse. He'll probably do pretty well.

I did not think I would say this, but the fight over how to deal with the Florida delegates is totally shaking my faith in the national party. The Dems should have this general election in a cakewalk, but it almost looks as if they're trying to find a way to lose it yet again. They know how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory better than the Boston Red Sox in 1986.

prof marcia...

"The answer to your question "why did national Democrats fear Florida so much?" I'm not a conspiracy theorist , but I believe the answer is because
the DNC and Washington insiders desperately wanted Obama to win the primary and they suspected he would lose Florida by big margins early in the season.
So, what better way to help insure their candidate would win the primary than to nuke Florida by setting up a convoluted method of disenfranchising the entire state. It seems to have worked beautifully."

If that's the case then why didn't Hillary fight this in November and December when she was telling everyone the race would be over February 5th instead of telling everyone that Florida and Michigan didn't matter and the votes wouldn't count?

It's obvious that there are a lot of Republican Shills over here who really want to go against Hillary because they know they can beat her.

Why else all the innuendo's and constant tearing down of a Democrat?

I know those who have been hear for a long time and I also know that they truly believe in Hillary so I have no problem their support of their candidate.

I do have trouble believing most of the new commenter's who are constantly spreading discord by sometimes outrageous insinuations.

Tell me prof marcia, do you believe its okay to torture people in our custody? And what kink of tragedy or miracle are you hoping for so Hillary gets the nomination. An RFK type?

Sorry prof, your argument stinks.

God Bless.

Round
Like a circle in a spiral
Like a wheel within a wheel
Never ending or beginning
On an ever-spinning reel

Super Delegates: Vote Obama or Else

"Obamatons are making not so subtle threats against the Super Delegates–elect Obama or there will be blood in the streets. Leading supporters of Obama are the messengers of doom.

Leave it to Barack’s folks to threaten race riots. Intimidation through the threat of violence, even race violence, is one of Obama’s insidious weapons in stampeding super delegates like a herd."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/27/super-delegates-vote-obama-or-else/

bush taking one for the team.......not like it's going to lower his ratings.......rove told scotty to write the book.....both as a sop to the sap scott and also as a distancing from mccain.........dont forget what these pipples is, how they work, and that everything they do is geared to the long run of a thousand year gop rule........

A ring is round, it never ends
The democrat party is losing many many friends.

BHO will never win florida

GORDO...

And what do you call the Clinton Big Money supporters threatening to not donate money anymore to the Democrats if Pelosi don't support Hillary?

Your a Republican Shill GORDO and everyone here knows it.

It's really obvious by all your comments that you would be happy if anything were to happen to Obama.

Julie Young 73...

Obama don't need to win Florida to win the election. Dem's haven't won Florida in the majority of Presidential Elections so why would you expect them to win it this year?

God Bless your GOP employer, she\he will need it.

Activists Prepare to 'Recreate '68' at DNC

"All Things Considered, May 23, 2008 · Activists are preparing for the Democratic National Convention in Denver this summer. Groups from around the country have coalesced under the name "Recreate '68" — a reference to the year protestors clashed with police at the party's convention in Chicago."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90781881

Julie,

Please do not mention Nancy Pelosi or whatever her name is. As a man I am disappointed by Howard Dean, but more in Nancy Pelosi and Donna Brazile. Even is she (they) doesn´t (don´t) like HRC, she (they) never ever ONCE stood up for her when the media and certain industries attacked her (being HRC) in particular and women in general.
Pelosi / Brazile are another fine example of how some women, fear competition from other (brighter) females...

Gordo,
I feel U.

Sorry prof, your argument stinks.

God Bless.

Posted by: anon-paranoid

Get in line or get out of the way folks.

Re-create 68

DO IT IN DENVER!

http://www.recreate68.org/album1_dnc_001.htm

i wouldnt go to denver unless you paid me......a lot.

Craig, the Democrats in Washington didn't want a resolution to voting machines (allowing for a paper trail) because it doesn't give them something to complain about. They are more concerned with having battles to fight than actually solving problems.

C'mon, you know I'm right! : )

mornin'all.

sturg - LOL at your 7:32.. btw, I had an inspirational drive in this morning that concluded with Terry Kath's solo from 25 or 6 to 4. Damn could that man play a guitar!

AP & GORDO - don't you have jobs to go to or something? Sheesh, such vitriol so early in the morning.

ProfMarcia, the Dem rules existed before FL moved its primary, so that part of your argument is a little weak to the extent your suggesting that the rules were aimed at FL in particular - although that was the intent of the rules in the abstract - to soften the voices of the voters in all the big states, FL included to insure for some ridiculously misguided reason that god only knows so that NH & IA (total electoral votes - 11) could continue to be the mice that roar.

Brian said: "Rez notice how quiet they are all being, it's kind of spooky, I think they are waking up from their kool aid induces fantasy and accepting the fact that it's over "

No. Brian, Rez, Bear, Sheila, dog, Nash, Bye Bye -- the wake up call was actually when censorship reared its ugly head. We've now been told enough times (not by our host, BTW) --that to respond to your slime balls is unacceptable. Like your candidate, you have a protective shield of enablers. And so, some of us will be leaving -- or -- as has been suggested in my case....if I have something to say about music or chocolate pies, I may have the floor. If not, STFU and get out of the way.

Meanwhile, we are called Nazis, perverts, lovers of torture, hysterics, bitches and any number of outrageous things. But hey -- that's the new "Democratic" party.

you're

Patsi - you left AP out.

Read this morning where the DNC's lawyers have opined that the most the rules committee can give the errant states is 50-pct of their delegates.

In the case of Florida, at least, I suggest the approach should be a revisitation of that state's pleas for a waiver that had been previously denied. Clearly the state's party was caught between a rock and the hard place.

Michigan? Give Mr Obama the uncommitted votes and Mrs Clinton the votes that were cast in her name. Once again, grant an after-the-fact waiver.

The granting of waivers obviates the need for penalties.

Once again, voters from South Carolina should email Mr & Mrs Fowler (both are rules committee members) with their druthers. You can get to them via the state committee.

"The most trusted leaders of the Democratic party ... ought to be ashamed of themselves for supporting Barack Obama. With use of the internet, a fifth grader could connect the dots to show a picture of a guy who was picked up in college and carried up the political ladder by a corrupt gang of influence peddlers.

John McCain is just drooling waiting for Obama to become the nominee so that he can come out with the trail of dirt that the Democratic party is too afraid to reveal this late in the game. If nominated, Obama will not survive a month when faced with the Republican attack machine."

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_none_080328_barck_obama___the_wi.htm

Anon-paranoid,

Even from the beginning, your response to my post is way off base when you
write that I am a new poster.
I'm not a new poster. I've been commenting on Trail Mix for several
weeks. You don't pay much attention, do ya?

Secondly, your cliche of an argument taken from the talking points
of Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews is rather stale isn't it?
Your vague generalities like "she was telling everyone" which you use
twice is laughable. How do you know what Senator Clinton was telling people?

You Obama followers get awfully riled up whenever the topic of your
guy's disenfranchising of millions of American voters is raised. Settle
down. You will have to learn to live with the ugly truth that the Obama
posse would not allow new primaries to be held in Florida and Michigan
because Obama was afraid he'd lose. Period. Now Camp Obama doesn't want the votes counted in Florida according to the original votes cast. Again,
because Obama lost in a landslide.

Why should millions of voters be punished for mistakes both Rep and Den
Party officials made? No one but Obama and his supporters think that Florida
voters should be kicked to the curb.

This all sounds all too familiar, doesn't it? Or have you forgotten Bush v
Gore 2000? If anyone is playing a dasturdly Bush-Republican trick, it's Obama and his group of Darth Axelrods. Sorry if the truth hurts, Anon-paranoid.

When your post trails off into comments about torture and RFK, then I know you definitely aren't making any sense. Your name does you justice.
You are paranoid.

Anyway, my comments were in response to Craig Crawford's post. You might do well to read it before replying to further bloggers on this topic.

Good Morning All

Sturgeone, I love The Thomas Crown Affair and anything Michel Le Grande ever wrote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB76C3IQ0eQ&feature=related

Patsi,

There are lots of others to speak with ... just try ignoring the one who contributes only vapid vitriol without any semblance of sanity.

Hi Jason,

Your post is great. I agree completely. Pelosi and Dean are huge
Obama supporters who've been trying to shut down Hillary's campaign
for months.

And Donna Brazile is an Obama supporter pretending to be nonpartisan.

Hey
Good Morning

Gordo
If there is tape
It will come out now
not Oct.
Why?

Now ,
Hillary gets the blame
creates huge split,
Democrats more foolish than usual.

If Oct.
McCain gets the blame
big backlash
McCain goes down.

So put your money on
There is no tape

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote divided government
Vote McCain

Well folks, you can battle today, and have fun at it - as for me, I'm hitting the road to go spend the day in a dusty record room in the home of the original Mother's day celebration looking for a needle in a haystack.

Have fun, and I'll see ya later.

Prof Marcia

Brazile has been stating for quite a while, that she "will vote for whomever is in the lead with pledged delegates' so she is totally in the Obama camp just not officially declared.

if you should chance to sit down in the haystack, youre sure to find the needle........

Infighting threatens Democratic Party - Gene Lyons

"The political tragedy of 2008 would be if, in making history, the Democratic party tore itself apart. The potential exists for a schism between two of the party’s most loyal and enduring constituencies: African Americans, and blue-collar white voters in what was once the nation’s industrial heartland along the Ohio River.

Beginning in 1964, when the Democratic solid South dissolved, ... every successful Democratic presidential candidate has had to carry both Ohio and Pennsylvania, even when Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton picked up Southern states.” It’s not only offensive to scorn working-class Clinton supporters as “NASCAR man,” “ uneducated, ” “low-information whites,” “ rubes, ” “fools” and “hate-mongers,” it’s political suicide."

http://www.nwanews.com/story.php?paper=adg§ion=Editorial&storyid=227034

"you left AP out."

exactly.....

GORDO,

Your posts are always enlightening.

The tragedy is that the Democratic party has already torn itself apart this
year. The schism is already huge between African-Americans, the DNC and
the neolibs of the elite Democratic party vs working class white voters, centrist Dems and white women over 40.

Jamie (or anyone else who might know): Do you have a link to that Obama press conference after he won the Senate race where he says he needs more experience to run for President? (Like a full term as Senator?) I lost my bookmarks and can't find it. I have a friend who is lobbying SDs from Washington state and wanted to use some of the text. Any help you can provide is appreciated!

prof marcia...

And I have been commenting since late 2005 or early 2006.

I have not seen any post condemning the Republicans from any of the new posters.

In fact the biggest comments from all the new commenter's is to vote Republican if Hillary don't get the nomination.

Those who have been regulars for years firmly believe in Hillary and they show their support like I would expect them too.

It's only those who have shown up since CQ started hosting Craig's site that have constantly suggested either voting for McInsane or leaving crap like GORDO.

The Republican's lost half there delegates and there not complaining. I have already said many times that the delegates from Florida should be seated, however they should also lose half of them like the Republicans did.

I will look for the video of Senator Clinton stating that the votes of Michigan and Florida won't count later today after I get home from work and post it again like it's been posted before here.

And if you don't believe that it was highly offensive to suggest that Hillary was staying in the race in case something horrible might happen to Senator Obama like what happened to RFK than you just don't get it.

I was around when JFK, RFK, MLK and Malcolm X were the victims of Political Assassination and to use the death of RFK using the word Assassinated is beyond the pale.

And if you really are worried about a Democrat winning the White House and hoping that GWB doesn't do what a great many of us worry about {Bombing Iran and starting World War III} since he's not all there, than I just can't believe that there are Democrats out there who are really Democrats and not Dino's like Lieberman.

Where is all the outrage about the Republicans from you who call yourself s Democrats?

There is more outrage over Obama being the nominee then what our country has been through under GWB and a Republican controlled House and Senate until 2006 when the Democrats retook the House and could have gained control in the Senate if not for Charles Schumer's scheme to get Lieberman back in after the Democrats in Connecticut rejected him.

Since it appears that destroying Obama is more important to you than our changing our country and restoring our Constitution go ahead like many of the new commenter's have said they would do and vote for McInsane.

It's only those who have shown up since CQ started hosting Craig's site that have constantly suggested either voting for McInsane or leaving crap like GORDO.

Go away intruders. Didn't you see the pit bull on the property?

Patsi
Loved your post!! Before i started reading the posts of the Obama supporters here i could have voted for either Democrat but now I say NO OBAMA!!!As for the New Democratic Party No Thanks!!! I as a Florida voter and as a person born and raised in Michigan I have had enough and as of yesterday am an Independent and will either not vote or choose McCain? Really Sad I am!!

Craig Poor grade on this one....... C + at best, not normal for you.

The opening of your article gives to much of a pass to the Florida Dems and puts it all on Crist and the Republicans. After all both primarys changed and who knew then what ignorance would be displayed by the DNC. Both Rep and Dems made the change.

Talk to your fellow dems here in Florida and they also wanted to make the change - and do not blame the reps. And after all we are finding Gov Crist to not be the change agent we wanted.

He is somewhat of a disappointment -one example is his failure to help push certain mass transit projects that will be important for long term.

Looking from a Dem party view about FL & MI, you have to punish them in some way. You have to send a message to other states that they can't do whatever they want. They have to look to 2012 and keep some kind of order for the future.

Looking at it from a voters point of view, why should we be punished, we did nothing wrong. We want all of our votes counted. In Fl people did come out and vote, In MI it's not their fault Obama pulled his name off the ballot. But the voters did send a message of Uncommitted. So the best way of handling this is a revote so they can have their say.

Bottom line, some how punish the party officials but not the voters.

Ping Pong...

How true your words are.

Don't forget the Property Tax issue on the ballot either that is costing education money it needs for public services in all the counties as well.

God Bless.

Hi TonyB...

I know this puts me in a distinct subgroup here, but I'm a strong Hillary supporter who has reconciled himself to voting for Obama in November. I went through many of the same thought loops as you did -- realizing that most of my alienation from and dislike of Obama stemmed from the behavior and attitudes of his supporters. But then I realized that wasn't a good enough reason for me to vote against him. So I'm going to give him a chance.

I think McCain would be a disaster for the country -- if only that he would not represent a significant enough change from the disaster that the past eight years represents.

Oh...BTW...I remember EXACTLY when my first-post-ever here was. It was the night of Bush's 2006 State Of the Union Address -- a mere four months after Hurricane Katrina had knocked a major U.S. metro area off the grid. But New Orleans barely got mentioned in that speech, and only with a few passing words at the very end.
That alone, I thought, should have been treated as an impeachable offense. Imagine if New York, Washington and Shanksville had been dismissed that way in January 2002 -- it's so laughable to be unthinkable. And those cities were not even destroyed.
I will never forget that omission by a so-called leader of this nation as long as I live.

LardassLiberal...

Just like many of us Obama supporters will vote for Hillary if she's the nominee.

However, the rules say most pledged delegates and at this time I don't see any way she can win, unless something horrible happens to Obama.

At that point after her reference to RFK I don't believe that Obama supporters will vote for her.

But that's just my opinion.

God Bless.

Does anybody know what would be the new total delegate count if they decide to reward half of FL/MI delegates.

AP...there will have to be a dramatic gesture from both sides in Denver. I can't imagine now what form it will take...but it will have to involve honoring Hillary at length for the campaign she ran, as well as treating Bill as an beloved ex U.S. president rather than as a controversial candidate spouse. And Hillary and Obama will have to come together in a palpable way with a genuine embrace on the podium.

I think if the Dems can pull all of that off, they'll get their mojo back.

AP,

I dispise anybody pulling rank on how long one has been posting on this blog. As if that gives them seniority or extra influence as a commentor. The only censorship that should be done here is self-censorship. If you don't like what people say you are free to respond and they to you.

Believe me, there are many comments that I think are over the top and in many cases vile insults. Freedom of speech pal, and the day this site starts shutting off comments is the day your paranoia becomes reality.

Bowmanc...I'm totally with you on pulling rank based on perceived seniority here. That's so cliquish and high-school. Some of our best commentors are most recently arrived.

Ally,

Your 9:16 request.

It was a cnn video clip.

Obama 2004: I can't see running for president.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gexyfVpFMU

LOL

The ranks of independents (and former democrats) is growing. Love it.
It´s my way of saying: #$%&_()' Howard Dean!!!!!!

I will not vote McCain, but if BO is nominated will definitely sit this one out, and I call on everyone to do that alkso.
If we survived 8 years of Bush, we can survive another 4 years of MacCain.

Many thanks Nick and Coreen! I can always count on Trailmixers : )

I always figure I'm new here.

Thanx Coreen.
Just added that one to my favourites...:))

More vibbing......

This strenghtens my feeling that this whole Obama hype was created by the elitists within the party who cannot stand the Clinton´s and could not see another 8 years of Clinton in ofiice. That would undermine their families specific benefits within the party and would make the Clinton family the family to be reckoned with in US politics.
Obama is being used as a puppet and he happily obliged to it!

Sturgeone... ya killin me man. ya killin me :)))!!!!!!

Ally,

Here is the direct You Tube link to that video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8oHLJSvrFA&eurl=http://sugarnspice.typepad.com/

Jason...

The problem, as I see it, is that we may only THINK we've survived this past 8 years. Already, our democracy has been reduced to a plutocracy by the crowd of rich guys who've deceived too many of us who are NOT rich into voting rich. Another 4 years under McCain, who will be surrounded by all the usual bad actors of the ultra-rich big business types, will yield a Supreme Court that will be so right-leaning that none of us will live to see its end...and neither will our children. It will yield a government that's more completely owned by big business, which will lead to ever less regulation of their activities (greed, pollution, etc.) and ever greater destruction of our way of life and of this planet.

Voting for McCain or sitting this one out seem like utterly unacceptable acts to me.

Hi all -- hope you all had a wonderful Mem. Day weekend.

I don't know why the media insists on not counting the actual votes from FL in the tallies for each candidate. I thought only the delegates were the issue and that is a DNC matter and shouldn't be of concern to CNN, MSNBC, etc.

Jimmy Carter, I have read, is not supporting HRC and is saying she should call it quits because apparently he felt that Bill Clinton did not confer with him enough when Bill was POTUS. Bill Richardson, I have also read, is supporting BHO because even though he was part of Bill Clinton's administration in his second term, Richardson feels like he was dissed and ignored the first term. These so-called grown men and "statesmen" and others of their ilk are holding grudges for years now, but according to them, all HRC supporters will forgive and forget all the acrimony of this campaign and will support BHO. Why is holding and grudge and not forgiving past wrongs ok for them, but not for us? Do they know what they are dealing with?

As for the argument that we HRC supporters have nowhere else to go because of Roe v Wade, how can they on the one hand denigrate us as old and menopausal and on the other hand think that Roe still affects us?

Anon-paranoid,

It's a waste of time for me to go on and on with you over who is a true
Democrat and why nearly half of the Democratics today feel completely
severed from the Party.

Your judgmental and dismissive attitude about the feelings of so many
of us Democrats is telling. As a woman, I am outraged at the way Camp Obama and the Democratic Party has fostered misogyny throughout this campaign. If that wasn't bad enough, the DNC, the Obama-media, and Camp Obama used lies and spin to try to turn Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton into racists. This fact alone is beyond contempt. Throw in Obama's disenfranchisement of Florida and you have several clear reasons why
millions of Americans are turning away from the New Democratic Party. I'll add that many of us just don't think Obama is prepared to be President.
He flip flops on important issues constantly. First, he said Iran was not a threat
than he reverses himself within two days. Suddenly, now, he insists Iran is a
grave threat to the U.S. His opinions shift with the political winds.

Your judgmental tone against all NEW bloggers who don't support Obama
is frankly shocking to me.

Your moral outrage is also disengenuous. Where was your moral outrage when the DNC and Camp Obama watched silently as Hillary Clinton was called a b-word weekly by Obama surrogates?
Where was your contempt when Chris Matthews called Hillary "Nurse Ratched."
Where was your anger when Senator Clinton, who has worked for the Democratic Party her entire life, was mocked daily, her laugh called a cackle.
Were you horrified by the Hillary nut crackers that went on sale on the Huffington Post? I doubt it.

Yet, you wonder why hundreds, maybe thousands of us, are either leaving the Democratic Party or will not vote this season, maybe even vote for
McCain.

Think. Maybe the reasons the Democratic Party is so severed has more
to do with the Democratic Party and Camp Obama than with us, the ones
who've been alienated and disillusioned.

Sigh,

Anon-p, Your post was gerat up to the last paragraph when you said, Prof Marica argument stinks.

ProfMarcia didn't mean to say US Obama supporters out right NUKED the Floridians....even though that was a bit strong on the blog today.

Prof Marcia just want to clear up your use of the term "NeoLiberal;
http://www.uwsp.edu/cnr/GEM/ambassador/what_is_neoliberalism.htm

Here is a blurb, but much more on the link.

Neoliberalism can be defined as a political-economic philosophy and set of policies that established development priorities along austere capitalist paths of free trade, market expansion, and privatization, and free of governmental intervention and regulation and the concept of the public good.

I'm sure there are some here who are, but most liberals are not "NeoLiberal". We believe in taking the government away from the little people, especially economically. Right or wrong, there you have it.

Lard! I do not believe in shoving the length of time you've been on the blog down someones throat either. BUT, after reading Anon-p's post, I don't believe he was doing that.

Lets all reread and maybe with a calm less emotional Minds interpretation.

I read how upset Prof Marcia is and respect it, I read how anon-p was trying to be reasoned. I also read how it erupted after that and some others who were egging on.

Not talking about you or Sturg or.....well read.

Now to float back into the shadows and get ready for work.

CIO!

Patsi! When was the last time you read me being mean, hateful, divisive, and down right "Down Trodding" toward the people on this blog??? I rest my case.

are some here who are, but most liberals are not "NeoLiberal". We ((((DO NOT))))

believe in taking the government away from the little people, especially economically. Right or wrong, there you have it

LOL Coffee! Time for Coffee first.

CIO!

Bowmanc...

I wasn't trying to pull any rank, if thats how my comment seemed I apologize.

I was stating how all those who have showed up since CQ starting hosting have not once mentioned how bad it would be under another republican in the white house.

Also how fast they are to vote for McInsane if Hillary didn't receive the nomination.

And to how they have been over Obama having run a better campaign instead of accepting the fact that those who ran Hillary's are the biggest reason she is where she's at now in delegates or how she constantly changes the rules and metrics that were determined before the primaries even started.

And to insinuate that the election is being stolen from her is just plain wrong.

Sorry if that offends anyone, but its the truth.

God Bless.

Harbourwoman,

Thanx for responding.

I can truly understand the sentiment. I feel that.
But what do you hink we get with President Obama?
Do yout hink we will have a president who actually knows what he is doing?
He will be a puppet. A puppet in the hand of a happy few who failed miserably at their own run. And who now, want to use someone to make their losses bearable.
Those people, who are all part of a certain elitist group with enough ties to the big guns, will rule.
It has been too long since they have had their filthy hands on this country. They need it, any means necessary...
The only problem they have(d) was HRC.
They found the solution in BO.
Use him, mold him and fold him so that thay fit into their profile.

I will sit this one out, not out of anger against my candidate not being the nominee, but out of protest for a party that time and time again is trying to upstage the word they use in their name: DEMOCRAT.
This party (let me say: the ones saying that they are true democrats and pretend to lead this party)is not worth it..

If it means sitting out an election and saving my children for future damage, than I will sacrifice 4 years ....for Sure!

"However, the rules say most pledged delegates and at this time I don't see any way she can win, unless something horrible happens to Obama."
Posted by anon-paranoid

A-P, sorry but you are wrong. the rules do not say most pledged delegates. They say most "DELEGATES." That includes pledged and super delegates.

Good morning peeps?

Has she quit the race yet?

Craig other than getting your bunch of Hillary hysterics excited I really don't get the point of your trailmix today. Everyone agrees that Florida will be seated, and it's not like Florida is a game changer, so other than stirring up passions what exactly is the point of today's trailmix?

Chief Sheila,

I was not referring to neo-liberalism, but just neoliberals, a
word I made up. It was meant to be a play on neocons.

But, if the term is confusing, I will call the New Democrats,
the far left--neuvo-liberals, neuvo-libs. My words.

On Hillaryclintonforum.net .. one Hillary supporter wrote about her experience when Hillary was campaigning in Kentucky .. she'd drove 10 hours the evening before from Mi .. she wanted to see Bill Clinton speak at a local high school ..

the next afternoon, Hillary was at the Maker's Mark .. they also prepared a lunch for all the guest .. planned on 500, so they made enough food for 700 .. ran out, had to grill hotdogs ... she mentioned that the Youth were chanting "No Obama , we want Chele's Momma" .. thought that was cute, since it was the day before Mother's Day ...

CatBalu said this, "As for the argument that we HRC supporters have nowhere else to go because of Roe v Wade, how can they on the one hand denigrate us as old and menopausal and on the other hand think that Roe still affects us?"

I can understand that your time may have past with regards to childbirth but what about your children? Are you so shallow that your only thought is you?

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Thank ProfMarica

Much better use. Its initially imaginative and clever, but I would not call myself the very definition of what the NEOCONS have been doing to us.

Kind of funny really. I was surprised too.,

Report: Crist Circulating 'Make Out Tape' To Squash Gay Rumors
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/28/report-crist-circulating_n_103856.html

JILL ISCOL
"How DAre You!!"

We need to talk. How dare the leadership of the Democratic Party turn on Hillary Clinton! How dare they betray Bill Clinton! How dare they not speak out when Hillary is disrespected by words like bitch, whore and the "c" word! How dare they allow them both to be smeared as racists, playing the race card! Where was Howard Dean ? Where was Nancy Pelosi ? Where were Hillary's colleagues in the Senate when the Clintons were being so unfairly accused and denigrated

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jill-iscol/how-dare-you_b_103608.html

Obama urges supporters not to demonstrate at crucial DNC meeting
http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/obama-urges-supporters-not-to-demonstrate-at-dnc-meeting-2008-05-28.html

Not sure if this has been posted, it appears that the
FL/MI restoration of delegates may already have been
decided--as per DNC attorneys in a 38 page memo
to the RBC members.

In effect, the memo decides that party rules require that
both states must lose "at least" half of their delegates--
in essence that would mean that "no more" than half
could be restored. RBC could restore less than half,
but as per DNC Memo, no more than half.

Does anyone think that the RBC will decide the distribution in a manner other than as stated by the DNC memo?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080528/ap_on_el_pr/primary_scramble_1

CatBalu,
"Jimmy Carter, I have read, is not supporting HRC and is saying she should call it quits because apparently he felt that Bill Clinton did not confer with him enough when Bill was POTUS. Bill Richardson, I have also read, is supporting BHO because even though he was part of Bill Clinton's administration in his second term, Richardson feels like he was dissed and ignored the first term."

Where did you read this?

Dooty

Ever heard of responsibility and birth control? "Accidents" rarely happen except in cases of rape either by assault or date rape and most states have that as an exclusion. Late term is almost always medical necessity and most states have that as an exclusion. The focus needs to be on making solid state law consistent nationwide rather than at the Supreme level where it can change at the whim of political appointments.

Well Folks TimeFor Work!

Ya'lll have a good day. GO DEMOCRATS!!

Thank for reminding us on a regular basis Renee.

AnonP: I am so proud of you for standing up and making your case here.

Read the thread and this blog has jumped the shark so badly. The comments border on fantasy (Jimmy Carter is not supporting HRC because he got dissed by Bill -- give it a break).

Many Clinton supporters here border on the delusional, and applaud illogical screeds of any sort that bolster their sad case. The problem is not Obama supporters -- it is yourselves.

Lardass: got news for you, my friend: I've not seen any good work by new commenters, just more dragging a once logical and congenial blog down.

And that is why I particularly praise Anon P for staying here and making his good points in a nonoffensive manner.

You think that Gordo posting about turning the Denver convention into a repeat of 1968 is a good idea? Do you recall the election results in 1968?

Obama has captured the lead for the Democratic nomination fair and square, by appealing to voters' better natures.

At the outset, it appeared the nomination was Clinton's to lose. Which she has apparently done. She was mis-served by a terrible campaign with some of the worst advisors I have ever seen. However, she retained and enabled those advisors. That speaks volumes to a country that has sadly watched GWBush and his terrible administration.

I have faith that Sen. Clinton will exit in a dignified manner after the June 3 primaries. She is an intelligent woman and likely sees the futility and damage that lies in a further prolonged battle.

Did some memo go out that today was going to be "full victim" mode?

nannym: Right you are ... most delegates, including super delegates.

To all of those who seriously think that a TRUE Democrat could never ever ever vote for a Republican ... there are some Democrats who, right from the beginning, have felt that perhaps it would be a good idea to let a Republican President bear the burden of the current mess ...
Some of us, on the other hand, believe that we are in a fight for the soul of the Democratic Party. Call us old, hidebound, too conservative, what you will ... many of us see (particularly in those advising Sen Obama) a group of people who have swung so far to the left that they threaten to collide with the Buchanan wing of the Republican Party on the right. I just can't see myself on the same course as Arianna Huffington or George Soros, or even Zbig Brezenski.
As to worries about the Supreme Court ... once again let me state that the Dems look to be picking up 4-6 Senators in this election. No matter what he now says, no more Alitos or Roberts are going to be confirmed by this Senate.
Besides, there is something to be said for divided government ... it actually worked pretty well during the Clinton administration.

New Gallup poll info:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107539/Hillary-Clintons-SwingState-Advantage.aspx

Obama Competitive Against McCain With Key Voters

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/28/obama-competitive-against_n_103850.html

"Besides, there is something to be said for divided government ... it actually worked pretty well during the Clinton administration."

On what do you base that remark? The govt. shutdown? The impeachment? DOMA? Other than an upswing in the economy what exactly worked so well?

Thankx Viv,

The Jill Iscol article echoes my feelings.
And I am a black man...So you can see that it is indeed not just another female saying this.....

dog's eye view: IMHO, and it is not worth all that much, I would say that a public expression of regret (not apology, but regret) for the way in which some of his supporters and surrogates turned the Clintons into evil racists would go a far way to soothing hurt feelings.

As for Jimmy Carter ... my take is that he feels that Sen Obama will support Carter's idea of pushing the Israelis to unilaterally go back to the 67 borders ... it has become something of an idee fixe with Pres Carter.

Morning all. I was gonna ask if she quit the race yet , but I overslept today and Brian beat me to it. Damn.

5-28-08 - Added DNC Pat Waak (CO) for Obama
- Added DNC Meredith Woods-Smith (OR) for Obama

46 delegates to the finish line!

Going home yall.
It is past five and I will not work OT today. Tomorrow I fly to Frankfurt for a conference.

For the ones knowing what the word stands for: " Stay Civilized."

Seenas Fla and Mi will be seated, the number of delegates to clinch will be higher then 2026.... ER

Holla....

Brian: The upswing in the economy is good enough for me.
On a more personal note, the Family and Medical Leave Act was something that I was actually able to take advantage of in a very trying time.
Balanced budget and a pay-down of the debt was also not a bad thing ... had we continued on that path, we would not now have many of the problems we now have. Also, the crime rate, the abortion rate, and the teen pregnancy rate all declined in the Clinton years ... as did drug use.

Jason...

Sorry...I wandered away for awhile, and just came back to my computer.

I don't know what we will get if Obama is elected president. I don't know that he will be anyone's puppet. I HOPE he will be what he says he wants to be, but only time (and a November win by him) will tell. I'm simply more willing to take that risk with Obama rather than with McCain.

You said you could 'hear' my points and concerns. I 'hear' yours, too. Perhaps we've simply reached different conclusions about what to do relative to our fears for our country. Whatever each of us does, however, I have faith that we will each vote according to our desire for the best future we can envision for the US.

Detroit Mayor Kilpatrick Vetoes Removal Effort:

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080528/NEWS05/805280352

Tick tock , Kwame!

Hey
Brian
Gotta read past the headline

Found in the contents

"In an Associated Press-Yahoo News poll last month, "about a quarter of Clinton supporters and one in six white Democrats who have not finished college said they would back McCain should Obama be the Democratic nominee, with roughly a quarter of each undecided.

"That provides us with a target-rich environment," Newhouse said."

LOL
Gotta love it

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote divided government
Vote McCain

dog's eye view,

Do you really believe the damage to the Democratic Party is not already done?
Now, who's delusional?

Jamie,
I am not talking about birth control I am talking about CatBlu's weird logic and her willingness to throw her female children under the bus due to the fact that her candidate may not win the nomination. It seems short sighted and shallow to this poster.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

maggisd...

How can you look at the weakness of our current Democratic-led Congress and have faith that the Supreme Court will be protected by them?

Horsedooty: If I may interject here ... once again, let us remember that there will be 4-6 more Democratic Senators than we now have. Should McCain be elected President, he will be unable to ram through a carbon copy of the arch-conservative judges now on the court. Don't forget that Justice John Paul Stevens was appointed by Gerald Ford and Justice Souter was appointed by Papa Bush.

Jason, it does for me too ... there's been so many times I've screamed at the TV when I hear them putting her down .. BO supporters say none have been personal .. but how can you say that when they 've got people who go to her speaches, scream & hold up sign telling her to "IRON MY SHIRT!" ...

Joan Walsh was on Hardball last night .. I was flipping when a friend pointed me it .. Joan was defending Hillary & pointing out everything that the MSM & Bo have said .. will look for that link & send it along ..

harborwoman: Big difference in a one vote majority and a seven vote majority.
Besides, I see a real possibility of either Chris Dodd (who almost won the Leadership last time) or Dick Durbin (now the assistant majority leader) stepping up to the Leadership role. Harry Reid is not entirely well.

I am not willing to risk the Supreme Court to the hope that a conservative president will appoint an anomaly or mistake, as maggisd references in her 11:12 post. We can't know who or what might be successfully RAMMED through our big-business-owned government.

Dooty

My reason for the post is that in all honesty, I don't put that much faith in Roe v Wade to begin with either as law or as a cure for a problem situation. I'm not opposed to abortion necessarily, but consider the emphasis on it detrimental to long term solutions that benefit women and children.

maggisd...

You're willing to leave too much to chance, IMO. You've also created a new Congress in your mind's eye, but I think you need to at least consider the possibility that your vision might not become reality.

Do you suppose conservatives might be thinking the same thing. We can't risk having Obama as our next president and having him appoint liberals on the Supreme Court?

Viv: Joan Walsh has been consistently fair-minded in her approach to this campaign. She has not been a Clinton apologist ... far from it ... but she has managed to look at things rationally.
Another such person is Lynn Sweet of the Chicago Sun-Times, who reported that the RFK remarks had been circulated in an e-mail to reporters by the Obama campaign ... "you know that's true" she said to the moderator of the broadcast ... something no one else has said, as far as I am aware.

Joan Walsh on Hardball!!

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/joan-walsh-fights-back-for-hillary-in-hardball/1227925930

What is the litmus test for a true democrat?
Must you adhear to every plank in the platform? Is there room for different ideas about the economy, energy, gun control, taxation, affirmative action, equal rights, birth control? What is a true democrat? Someone tell me. Is it Brian's definition, or Patsi's or Renee's or AP's or is it part of each? It seems that everyone has their own, and if that is so, what makes one definition better than another?

Corey...

Of course, they have similar thoughts. However, they're in the catbird's seat, having the current majority on the Court.

Interesting how people go to Hillary's rallies and hold up signs or yell "IRON MY SHIRT!" ... and it get's little press but what if someone went to Obama's rally and yelled or held up a sign "Shine my Shoes" or something like that. We would never hear the end of it. Both are not acceptable and those people should be escorted out.

Hey Viv,

Did you scream at the television when Geraldine Ferraro made her comments?

Wandering away again. Y'all have fun....

Oh, I forgot, it must be Mr. Democrats definition. That is a TRUE DEMOCRAT.

harborwoman: In terms of the make-up of the Senate -- I go by what the polls are now reporting and what political analysts such as Charlie Cook, Larry Sabado, and the like are saying.
Also, as I have said before, I am in the unique position of having met Sen McCain and of knowing several antiquated flyboys who know him quite well ... he really is far more an Eisenhower Republican than a George Bush Republican -- and, he admires Sandra Day O'Conner a great deal.
Finally .... I live in California -- how much difference d'ya think my vote is gonna make?

By Viv:

“How dare they allow them [HillBill] both to be smeared as racists, playing the race card! Where was Howard Dean ? Where was Nancy Pelosi ? Where were Hillary's colleagues in the Senate when the Clintons were being so unfairly accused and denigrated.”

Actually, Viv, I think they were all there listening, watching and observing and thus many insiders have not much respect for either of them (now), except those wanting her to denigrate the will of the people and give them a job. Everyone knows what both of them were and are about…that is going down in history, especially the bitch, and to hell with the people. It’s all about them!!!! I’ve disliked her loud-mouthed, bobble-headed rants (with that silly damn continuing clapping) from the very beginning, even though I supported him in the past. No more. BTW, Viv, I carry the remote with me from room too room so I can mute the bitch or else I’d through it at the TV.

Change is needed and the real election process, meaning elected delegates, will determine the nominee. Dirty tricks from the Clintons will and should not be accepted. Or else, welcome President (Lamebrain) McBush and demonstrations in the streets. I remember the demonstrations in the 60’s and I’m still up for it today…for justice.

Hey Pugnacious: “not finished college” Doesn’t that say something to you? The not-so-educated in WV, SE Ohio, and KY speak well for McBush. Too bad they don't know what is good for them, IMO. Besides, he will get those people anyway...Repugs always have.

As I've said before , my sister and her husband are Catholic. My bother-in-law told me once before that they are against abortion. They have two adopted daughters. Their 9 year-old daughter's birth Mom was a 15 year-old girl. She could have easily had an abortion back then , but she chose adoption. The Father was an 18 year-old boy who was her boyfriend at the time. However , they broke up and he married a different girl. That marriage failed after a year or two. My niece's life turned out way better than it would have had the 15 year-old decided to keep her. The mother of my 8 year-old niece was 24 and already had 3 kids. She and her husband were going through a major family crisis at the time and they decided they couldn't handle another baby at the time , so they placed my niece up for adoption. I'm not totally against abortions , but I can see both sides of the issue here.

Don't forget that Justice John Paul Stevens was appointed by Gerald Ford and Justice Souter was appointed by Papa Bush.

you have way more faith in McBush doing the same thing that Ford or Papa Bush did. My take is that McBush is a gamer and will turn toward the right like his friend "a guy who we would all like to have a beer with" Bush has. No thank you.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Viv: BO supporters say none have been personal .. but how can you say that when they 've got people who go to her speaches, scream & hold up sign telling her to "IRON MY SHIRT!" ...

Viv: I have not seen any of that at any campaign appearances I have attended, and how do you know that it is Obama supporters doing it? I did hear Obama supporters boo Clinton's name during the Obama-Edwards endorsement rally, and wish those who did had not done so.

There are a lot of Obama supporters, of all types, and you paint with too broad a brush.

I know a lot of Hillary supporters personally -- am visiting one and driving further south for an extended stay with another -- and I do not "credit" them with the behavior of those partisans on this blog.

They are delightful people who care deeply about the civic engagement of our country, and do not malign the "opposition" at every opportunity.

We need to move forward and make this a better country for our current and future citizens.

The whining on this blog is just that -- whining -- and not useful activity.

jamie said this, "Dooty

My reason for the post is that in all honesty, I don't put that much faith in Roe v Wade to begin with either as law or as a cure for a problem situation. I'm not opposed to abortion necessarily, but consider the emphasis on it detrimental to long term solutions that benefit women and children."

that is your thought but not mine.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Jason & All Hillary supporters .. Here it is:

Joan Walsh on Hardball

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24845662#24845662

Horsedooty: I really don't want to be put in the position of sounding like a fervent McCain supporter here ... my vote is a protest vote, pure and simple.
However, Sen McCain does have a very long record of compromise and working with Senate colleagues across the aisle. And, he's the type who likes to get things done. I really see him as someone who will consult with his former colleagues, rather than risk the t ype of extended floor fight that the Bush administration seemed to relish.

There are a lot of things on this blog that are not useful , Dog. Whining...snarky comments...etc.

info on FL/MI

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/05/fl-mi-by-numbers_21.html

I just don't hink that everyone here is going to unite around Obama. I know that's what the hope seems to be. I just don't see it at this point. We've had mostly the same arguments every day here for the last several months. I don't know of too many people who have changed their minds yet about who they think is the best candidate.

*think*

Jamie: The most profound statement I ever heard about abortion was from Sen Clinton the floor of the Senate ... she said that a government that could ban all abortions could, by the same reasoning, mandate abortions.
As someone who worked long years in the medical field, I have long felt that abortion should be regulated in the same way that other medical procedures are regulated ... and I do assure all those who worry about partial birth abortion that no reputable physician would kill an about-to-be-born viable baby, and ... if such a thing should happen ... said physician would lose his license at the least and likely also be prosecuted for murder.

I was just looking at your blog, Corey...

How 'bout them Lakers!!! woohoo!!

vadaryl: Thanks for posting that. We'll all know Saturday ... unless, of course, FL & MI decide to take it to the Convention -- and it would be their decision, not Senator Clinton's decision, as some seem to think.

Dog's eye

Very few of those on this blog denigrate Sen. Obama other than to say he is unqualified and backed by the far left power wing of the party with which we disagree.

This is hardly on the same level as the Obama supporters who call us names and go into vicious diatribes against our candidate ... just go up a couple of posts for a sample.

I would say that the majority of Clinton supporters here care very deeply about both the party and the country and feel that the party is about to make a severe error that could impact on the well being of the country. In this we disagree with the Obama supporters, but that is hardly cause to pile abuse on us for our opinions.

Jamie: Well said ... am in total agreement.

Yeah, they'll unite around Obama. Some folks will peel off, but they weren't Democrats in the first place. It's like when the community has a parade and there's been heated discussions about who's going to do this, or who's going to do that. But on the day of the parade, you see people getting dressed up and marching on down to the parade spot. Yeah, there are some nutcases who sit on their porch, arms folded and say 'I'm not going" with a smirk on their mugs, but the great majority will be there.

That's what's going to happen on election day. You'll have your kooky Gordo types, wearing their aluminum hats and sandwich boards, yelling at cars. You'll have Patsi sucking on a lemon while screaming "Sexist!" to no one in particular. But most will go to the polls and most will vote for a Democrat. So I'm not worried.

There are a lot of things on this blog that are not useful , Dog. Whining...snarky comments...etc.
Posted by Corey

Can we add Karolena's use of the word "bitch" in reference to Hillary to your list?

LushIsLinda .. YA beat me to it, lol ..

Maggisd: Hmm ... Lynn Sweet .. will have to look her up & read her articles .. for a long time, it was hard to find anyone speaking out for Hillary & all the bias on MSM .. but now, we're finding some, who have decided they just need to SPEAK OUT! .. I say to them: THANK YOU!!

Thanks Lush! Go Lakers , indeed!

It's laughable to see men trying to beat women over the head with Roe....especially since so few were paying a dime's worth of attention while it has been being systematically eviscerated over the past ten years.

You're all over women's issues when it suits your purposes. Bet you were writing letters about the ERA back in the day, too. ROFL!

My mission now is to get violence against women declared a hate crime. Gonna help with that?

It looks like both parties may not be thrilled with their candidate. McCain is not the Reps number 1 guy but he somehow won and it appears that Obama is the Dems with a little more than half the votes. should be interesting in Nov.