Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Craig Good Morning,

I believe that the bottom line is that West Virginia hasn't ALWAYS predicted the next president. So Barack Obama is not out in the cold if Hillary Clinton does.

Also the loyal Democrats of West Virginian are loyal to a fault. A great trait. They and Kenutcky will display their loyalties today. Good for them!

However, according to the Math, Obama is still ahead after the votes are in.

So everyone enjoy. I can't help but feel good for all of you. A good way to end the Day for Senator Clinton.

From:
crooksandliars.com
We’ve all been talking about how pompous and lousy our punditry class is and how they want to choose our candidates and select the issues (or controversies—phony or not) that should be covered while ignoring policies that have a real impact on all Americans. It’s been pretty sickening all around. Eric Boehlert wrote this great column weeks before Tuesday’s primary called “So now the press tells candidates when to quit?”

History continues to unfold on many levels as the protracted Democratic Party primary race marches on, featuring the first woman and the first African-American with a real shot at winning the White House. Here’s another first: the press’s unique push to get a competitive White House hopeful to drop out of the race. It’s unprecedented.

Nice Clip Craig,

You CQ Guys are getting better and better!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/12/obama-to-visit-michigan-f_n_101340.html

At a time when we're facing the largest homecoming since the Second World War,"

Obama said of veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan, "the true test of our patriotism is whether we will serve our returning heroes as well as they've served us."

Pointing to the Bush administration, he said, "we know that over the last eight years we've already fallen short of meeting this test."

He cited once shabby conditions at such facilities as Walter Reed Army Medical Center, and long waits and bureaucratic obstacles facing many who seek care from the Veterans Administration.

"When our troops go into battle, they serve no faction," Obama said. "They serve no party. They represent no race or region. They are simply Americans."

For those of you like me who is up before the Polls even open. Just a nice look at what kind of work is happening on the Hill.

A Liberal Wit Builds Bridges to the G.O.P.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/13/washington/13barney.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN
Published: May 13, 2008

WASHINGTON — Representative Barney Frank, the rumpled, cantankerous chairman of the Financial Services Committee, plopped down on a leather bench off the House floor last week.

After two months of trying to win Republican support for his bill to help homeowners at risk of foreclosure, he had come up short.

The White House had just threatened a veto

Craig,

To answer your question, no Hillary's late- in-the-game, likely double digit wins
in West Virginia and Kentucky do not represent the last minute rallying for
a failing challenger but do signify Obama's troubles reaching voters outside
his demographic base.

The fact his surrogates and most pundits are pushing the notion that Obama
will change the electoral map is just another way of suggesting that these
"problematic" folks don't matter. Instead of working to win them over, Camp
Obama will merely ignore them. Millions of white working class voters, white
women over 40 and anyone not enchanted by Obama or who question him
have been demonized by the media anyway--transformed into racists or
old, senile women, uneducated, beneath contempt.

But, I worry about a presidential candidate who seems to have such problems
relating to a large section of this country. It is a shocking situation that should
not be ignored.

Sheila,

Do not put your party hat on for November quite yet. There is another side to the equation in Nov. Although I strongly support Hillary and will write-in her name in Nov.. Obama has problems elsewhere that WV shows off today.

Here in Massachusetts, we have a long history of electing Republican Governors, there is a large white working class and lots of Catholics, our current Governor, the first African-American and huge Obama supporter, is a colossal disaster with approval ratings in the low 30's near Bush country, and NH is next door which is wildly enthusiastic for McCain and lots of NH people work in MA. Last month polling data in MA showed McCain was beating Obama (47-44%) while Hillary crushed McCain (57-42%). Hillary won MA by big numbers.

The polling has changed since then but Obama is still weak here. I have loads of Boston College friends that are opting for McCain rather than Obama....

Wow! Great Article. Not necesarily Pro Obama. But very Pro "Understanding WV"

Can Barack Obama win West Virginia?

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/05/13/west_virginia/

Once upon a time, Michael Dukakis could carry West Virginia by five points, one of only 10 states he won in 1988. And Bill Clinton won the state twice. But cultural issues --

"God, guns and abortion," as Charleston's Republican Mayor Danny Jones put it Monday morning on local talk radio host Hoppy Kercheval's show -- finally moved West Virginia toward the red column in presidential elections, dooming Al Gore and John Kerry here.

Now Democratic Party chairman Nick Casey isn't even sure the state is up for grabs in the fall.

"We were a swing state, and we swung the wrong way the last two elections," Casey, who hasn't endorsed either candidate, said in an interview.

"We got bamboozled, fooled, lied to -- whatever the word is -- by the inside-the-Beltway Republican Karl Rove machine. ... I don't know if people are considering us a swing state or not anymore."

Here's a tough choice: Go see Obama in Grand Rapids tomorrow night or go to a birthday party for my Mom. I mean , tomorrow is her birthday....but it's OBAMA! What to do....what to do...

Re: David Schuster's somewhat premature piece about possible veeps for BO --
I voted for Hil'ry Clinton because I thought she was the best-qualified candidate, not because she is a woman. You can't just put a woman in that position and expect to get Hil'ry's votes. Heck, you can't even put Hil'ry in that position and expect me to vote for BO...unless I can be assured that the VP spot will not be its usual superfluous self, but Cheney-esque.

BO can be the spokesmodel if Hil'ry can be in charge.

Corey good Morning.

Never choose a Presidential Candidate over your mother. Clinton, Obama, and McCain are fair weather friends as compared to the one who gave you life!

Here's a Cartoon for you Blue. Its about the Media,

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsey/viewbydate.asp?id=1762

Good Morning All,

I woke up and flipped on the news thinking, "West Virginia" this will be nice. Go out on a high note, and enjoy today. Senator Obama will be okay. Then I hear Chris Matthews and Mika yammering on about just how evil Hillary Clinton is for shredding the party blah blah blah and the instant reaction is ... NEVER!~!!!!!!!! I'll vote for Obama when the devil is ice skating.

Sometimes the worst thing that can happen to a candidate is the people who support him or her.

I guess the sarcasm sailed right by.

DON'T listen to them Jamie, Stick to the high note and enjoy every second of this win! Do you want THEM to win?.....

Too true. If the media had pushed harder for details on what BO wants to do & how he plans to do it, if the public had known about Rezko, Ayers, Hamas & Wright in December, he wouldn't have had the momentum to get this far.

The GOP will pounce on him with these things & the Dems will have Kerry-ed themselves out of a chance at the WH, again.

I'd like the Dems to win, but more importantly, I'd like this country to get back on track. If McCain rides the fence between conservative & maverick, if he can make people believe he's both, he will win.

I don't think McCain will toe the party line once in office. I think he's playing the game because he has to do so. As Craig stated back at the NY convention (sitting in Herald Square), McCain has to be the Republican nominee; he can't be the nominee of no party.

jamie - I was quite amused at how out of touch Tweety & Meeker are about Dems voting for BO just because they are Dem. If it comes down to ice skating, folks may go with the devil they know (McCain) rather than the devil they don't know (BO).

As far as I can tell, BO does not offer change nor does he offer solutions. BO only offers more questions.

Sheila,

Matthews almost literally just said that any woman who supported Clinton must have led a wasted life and blamed Obama for all the failures and Mika just giggled at him. ... YUCK

He should be forced to listen to his misogynistic drivel on continuous loop until the men in the white coats come to drag him away to his well deserved padded cell where he can spit and drool on the floor for the next decade.

Here's a thought: A huge write-in vote campaign for Hil'ry. That would give all of those who voted for BO in their state's primary & who now have buyer's remorse a chance to put the right person in the WH!

Sheila,

Right now all I know is that I don't want the Matthews of the world to WIN. If that means voting against Obama just to watch him shrivel in well deserved ignomy, then voting for McCain will be fun.

Blue,

That's actually what I plan to do. It was my mid way position. Obama might be able to seduce me from there, but as of now it will be a write in if only for the joy of seeing the numbers reported in November.

If that turns into a full blown campaign, I'm on board.

Jamie, Blue & Patsi: I think Obama has some pretty smart bean counters working for him. After all, they figured out how to run the numbers to get where they are. And, there's a pretty good chance that they believe they can win in November with this new coalition—I haven't done enough research to know whether or not it's possible but I suspect it is. The question is: What happens to the "old" coalition? Where do the Hillocrats go? I think it's time for a real third party movement in this country...

Add Prof. Marcia to my last post as well...didn't see you were here!

In Michigan's faux primary , the Obama supporters urged everyone to vote "undecided". Can we do that in November?

Also got quite a giggle out of Hil'ry winning big in WV being a good thing for BO. It might be nice for HRC to go out on a high note, but it speaks volumes about BO's problems down the road. People don't know him & ya can't trust someone ya don't know with that much power.

Craig - What is with the .5 on the super delegate count? Not so super-duper?

Jamie et all,

I can't compete with all the hate and hurt you all feel today. I hope you can put it aside and enjoy this win. I am off the bog for a while.

Today because its not going to be so fun and don't want anymore downers. My Dad died last Wednesday. You guys kept my mind off it last week and thank you by the way.

and then I will be moving home to a job in Tacoma.

See you after the 23rd!

Just another delusional day for the Clintonites. You guys will crow that Billary won tonight, but as I've told you for MONTHS now, it's over.

Three more weeks and then Billary will given in a space Hall of Failed Presidential campaigns.

And I forgot to comment on this yesterday, but dang Craig, they really called you out yesterday morning on Morning Joe. I've been saying that Craig has been in the bag for Clinton forever, and I even gave a list of negative Obama headlines Craig will post in the future.

When Billary inevitably decides to imitate the Black Knight of Monty Python fame, refusing to leave after June 3rd, Craig will still be saying it's not over. And also saying she can still win. LOL

Corey,

The big problem with a third party candidate is money. Virtually all of the constituencies that support Sen. Clinton are solidly middle class. They don't have thousands that add up to millions to throw at a candidate. That was one of the reasons that I suggested jumping on an existing party structure such as the green party.

ally - Yeah, I suggested the Hillocrats refer to themselves as the Smart Party. That should make jamie happy; we can have an owl as our mascot.

jamie - Well, somebody e-mail HRC's people to get that rollin' if she's not the nom. (And, we still don't know that that won't happen...but considering Kerry...)
Prob'ly still end up with McCain because, attn: Obamaniacs, most of the country is not far, far left.

bye bye said:

"You guys will crow that Billary won tonight, but as I've told you for MONTHS now, it's over."

Looks as if little bye-bye doesnt recognise the irony contained in his statement.....lol

Sheila,

I missed that your father had passed away. My condolences. I hope resettling in Tacoma at least for a while is a good move for you.

When Hillary drops out , will you leave here Bye Bye or at least change your name to Bye Bye McCain?

Jamie, Blue

Let's get the write-in campaign going!!! There are lots of "better old women" that will jump aboard!!

Go Hillary!!!

I like Bye Bye. As an adult , I never get to say Bye Bye very much or even wave Bye Bye.

If Hillary drops out, bye-bye will change his name to "bye-bye obama" and continue his work for the mccain campaign...................lol

I might change my name to Bye Bye Dallas Stars.

Is anyone aware that Obama's SLIP of visiting 57states is the same number, 57, Islam states?I am very scared fo what this man would bring to the white house. If he gets it, my son, daughter and I will vote for McCain as I am sure many many others.
His entering the world of politics in Chicago is also very scary from what i have been reading.
Hillary has to stay in, Obama will faulter before the convention..
Also how very poor on his part to whip WV off his plate
That just tells you the kind of President he would make. If it does not matter to HIM he would not serve at area when in the White House.
Is everyone blind?

good morning gang.....

Sheila.... so sorry to hear about your dad.... my deepest condolences....
and I hope that going to your home state will be a welcomed change...

Craig.... I agree with what prof. Marcia said..... this doesn't bode well for Obama in the general....

Pogo..... hey..... your Cavs and my Celtics are now 2-2....
if I keep watching, I may become a basketball fan after all.....

Lets do the Hillary write in vote, its not only for old women its for old men like me.

Mel7

sturgeone "Here’s another first: the press’s unique push to get a competitive White House hopeful to drop out of the race. It’s unprecedented."

prof marcia: "The fact his surrogates and most pundits are pushing the notion that Obama
will change the electoral map is just another way of suggesting that these
"problematic" folks don't matter. Instead of working to win them over, Camp
Obama will merely ignore them. Millions of white working class voters, white women over 40 and anyone not enchanted by Obama or who question him
have been demonized by the media anyway--transformed into racists or old, senile women, uneducated, beneath contempt."

sturgeone and prof marcia. Beautifully said and bears repeating. thanks

Bob Herbert followed by David Axelrod? That does it. Over to CNN

Meg......I was quoting from a story at CrooksandLiars dot com on Russert's pronouncement that obama was the nominee.......good story......worth a read.........

Here's that Crooks and Liars article

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/12/when-pundits-decide/

BTW,

At the end of the article is a chance to "Spotlight". Use it. It is an excellent service to bring a particular blog article to the attention of national media.

On Fox News this morning, Terry McAluiffe praised (again) their fair coverage of the Clinton campaign.

Jamie, will do.

"Yes, We Go To Fox News Again for an HONEST, OPEN discussion on the Democratic primary race:"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiVFLEtSJyg

"At least...they give Hillary and her supporters the time of day, and they actually ACKNOWLEDGE that there are VOTERS who should still have a... opportunity to VOTE and to be HEARD!"

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/12/yes-we-go-to-fox-news-again/

coming up next on CNN ... the angry women of a "certain" age speaking out.

I've posted several times recently about Obama's willful failure to hold European Affairs Sub-Committee Hearings -- which is a position his party appointed him to do in an office the people of Illinois elected him to perform.

Those are obligations to the people, to the Senate and to the nation -- particularly at a time when the Russian Federation is looking to reinstate a non-ideologically, purely power driven version of Soviet dominance throughout Eastern Europe and Central Asia.

I haven't heard a response from any of them -- whatever their temperaments are.

Shame on them.

So keep this as a little mirror in your bird cages as you chirrup, squawk and peck.

You are supporting a public servant who doesn't serve the public or the world.

He could have missed a few campus rallies, you know, to hold hearings.

If you think that because he is "popular" he will have much influence over even a Senate with a stronger Democratic majority.... you've got a lot of hope and very little reality on your side.

The Senate will be concerned to the point of obsession with re-establishing its Constitutional powers.

They will not be in a honeymoon phase with him longer than his Inauguration Day speech. They disdain him and his disdain for them.

Anyway... maybe Obama's next campaign song on YouTube will be him making his Astaire moves to "Putin On The Ritz"..

Because he doesn't seem to grasp what is happening there at all.

" While the Mountain State is almost a laboratory for rural and working-class voters who often elude Democrats in general elections,"

The state is Republican in general elections so it's no big deal if the junior senator from NY wins there.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING TO WATCH HER CAMPAIGN IMPLODE !!!!!

Skylark,

Well, you can crap all you want in your birdcage.

Obama still failed to address IN HIS OFFICE Putin's permanent power grab and de-democratization of Russia and his determination to start wars with former Soviet states.

Instead he got his little parrots to chant how pretty all his birdies are.

No wonder you dropped out of Broadway. Such a nasty world where you have to be a lot more observant and smart than even the nastiest of people there to create anything worthwhile.

Jamie, I too picked up the Chris Matthews comments
about "older women" and their support of Hillary, in
addition to his continual awestruck vision of Obama.
Tiresome at best.

While many of us believe that nbc/msnbc has gone
over the edge in its "reporting" this primary season, there is an interesting in depth article about nbc's short comings in media matters by Eric Boehlert that just reaffirms what we have been viewing all these months.

NBC's bad week

http://mediamatters.org/columns/200805070004?f=h_column

And, yes, it is amazing that it appears that FOX News
is now more fair & balanced then nbc/msnbC!

Coreen: Some years ago I swore I would never watch Fox News again. I have had to eat my words. You are so right when you say that it now appears Fox News is more fair and balanced than MSNBC. What is even more bizarre is that the only pundits on MSNBC who seem at least neutral are Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan. Who woulda thunk it.

Obama said he's going to campaign in 57 states, and it turns out that there are 57 Islamic states.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_051208/content/01125122.guest.html

Typical Karl Rove playbook politics. Up is down and down is up.

Yes they want Hillary so they can unite their base in November.

And as usual you fall for it.

God Bless.

Every night just to find out what is happening in the world, I watch BBC news. The difference in coverage, tone, and usefulness is astounding compared to the US news sources.

It isn't dry or egg head. Some of the subjects are entertaining and light hearted, but they actually cover the NEWS ... you know that stuff that you might really find of interest on what is happening in the world.

Every night Katty Kay and Matt Frei remind you of what TV journalism used to be. So do yourselves a favor. If you want to know what is going on check out

http://www.bbcamerica.com/content/169/worldhome.jsp

anon-paranoid,

If you can drop your Hitler trope...

Why don't you study what Putin has done and is doing?

And how Obama has done nothing to explore that despite what his Senate colleagues insisted he do as his job.

Not one hearing. Not one report.

Just a lot of songs and dances.

Maggisd, I'm laughing, but it is really kind of frightening for me to acknowledge that as well.

"Coreen: Some years ago I swore I would never watch Fox News again. I have had to eat my words. You are so right when you say that it now appears Fox News is more fair and balanced than MSNBC. What is even more bizarre is that the only pundits on MSNBC who seem at least neutral are Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan. Who woulda thunk it."

Yes, how things change. But of course Craig is best of all, when he's on there, which is often enough.

Anon: And you think their "base" won't be united against Sen Obama?
Dream on.

"Look man....I'm not gonna fall for the banana in the tailpipe!" - Eddie Murphy in Beverly Hills Cop

But of course Craig is best of all, when he's on there, which is often enough.

correction: ISN'T often enough. IS NOT

Meg - I'm sure you meant to say that Craig isn't there often enough. Of course, he has to put up with a lot of abuse when he is there.

Sheila, condolences to you and your family. And for your dad, may he have "Fair skies, good winds and a following sea."

OD

Latest Oregon out of Survey USA. You've got some convincing to do

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=94e9005d-d8d6-46e2-b09a-697a4e23a900

Craig - I continue to wonder what the Obama campaign has in mind when they speak about re-drawing the electoral map? Let's give him Virginia, and then what? The idea that he can beat McCain in the western Red states is not a given by any means. Where does he make up he electoral college votes that he might lose in the swing states?
Let us all remember that the voting in November does not include weighted voting, that the citizens who vote most consistently and with the highest percentage are the elderly, and that women are now estimated to be 56% of the voting population.
As for Matthews comments about old white women...what does that make Stephanie Tubbs-Jones, Maxine Waters, Sheila Jackson-Lee and Maya Angelou? (Oh, and Mrs Jesse Jackson)

Jamie,

I watch it as well.

And I'll remind posters here that the BBC will be pulling their newscasts off PBS pretty soon.

o ---------------------------------

"Obama said he's going to campaign in 57 states, and it turns out that there are 57 Islamic states."

He would have problems, see this from the NYT:

"As the son of the Muslim father, Senator Obama was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood."

The point made in the article is that conversion from Muslim to another religion is : "the worst of all crimes that a Muslim can commit, worse than murder (which the victim’s family may choose to forgive)."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12luttwak.html?_r=2&ref=opinion&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

John Kerry must be filled with self loathing to support Obama.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0508/Obama_keeps_on_repudiating_boomers.html

Obama uses lies to kick boomers to the curb ....again.

Just another delusional day for the Clintonites. You guys will crow that Billary won tonight, but as I've told you for MONTHS now, it's over.

Three more weeks and then Billary will given in a space Hall of Failed Presidential campaigns.

And I forgot to comment on this yesterday, but dang Craig, they really called you out yesterday morning on Morning Joe. I've been saying that Craig has been in the bag for Clinton forever, and I even gave a list of negative Obama headlines Craig will post in the future.

When Billary inevitably decides to imitate the Black Knight of Monty Python fame, refusing to leave after June 3rd, Craig will still be saying it's not over. And also saying she can still win. LOL

Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | May 13, 2008 7:58 AM

WILL YOU EVER STOP WITH THE INSULTS? I HAVE ASKED NICELY SEVERAL TIMES FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THE USE OF "BILLARY" AND HOW IT'S INSULTING TO MOST CLINTON SUPPORTERS. AND NOW YOUR POST IS ANOTHER 'NYAH NYAH NYAH NYAH NYAH"... I REALLY THINK YOU AND NASH SHOULD MEET EACH OTHER. I THINK YOU TWO COULD MAKE "BEAUTIFUL MUSIC" TOGETHER.

Jamie:
Re the Oregon polling data, I find it interesting that Obama and Clinton are tied among those who state they have already mailed in their ballots. This suggests to me that those who have not yet voted may be soft in their support and still waiting on events.

Jamie: Not that I think Sen Clinton will win Oregon ... it is a funny state, the coast very blue, inland very red (like California) and the blues generally outnumber the reds. I think she is hoping for better than expected ... we'll see.
What would it mean if she came on strong in the last contests?

Go EuroTom!
We get enough of it on MSNBC.
We don't need it here.
Thanks Tom!

mornin' all.

Can't play much today - an occasional pop in, nothing more.

Renee, what the hell has happened to the Celts? Best record in the NBA, and I believe they had the best reg. season road record. Cleveland has its work cut out for it to take 2 of the next 3. Not enough backup for Lebron. The formula is apparently that if he has a double double, Cleveland wins.

Skylark, sorry, but you are misinformed. WV has voted for the successful dem candidate for pres. in every election since 1916 (which includes Kennedy, Johnson, Carter and Clinton since 1960), we have a dem governor, 2 dem senators, and 2 of our 3 reps are dem, 2/3 of our state legislature is dem and only one statewide officeholder (Secretary of State) is republican. Yep, we're a rep state, alright that should be written off as being a rep state in pres. elections. I hope Axelrod doesn't have your insight into the swing states' electoral leanings.

EuroTom,

Anything before which people attach the word "New" with a capital N usually means brattiness is in season.

Brattiness is always a part of American idealism.

Brattiness is always the part which fails in its promise, in its premise, in its execution.

The most bitter, excorciating people on this site are the ones with the least interest in policy.

They are enraged -- not with the system, not with the war but with their own existences.

If I were to go a production company where I was working with a pitch called "The New Screenplay"... all I would be doing was evading the actual crap I had to sell.

Your diet works.

Theirs is made entirely of Magic Beans.

And the Magic Bean Diet transforms anyone who lives on it into a flaming stream of angry farts.

"Early-ish on in the primary, Barney Frank posted( an Op/Ed piece at HuffPo and other places that focused on a key reason Hillary: his unease with Obama's rhetoric about getting beyond the conflicts of the 90s. Frank pointed out that the issues fought over in the 1990s -- abortion, gay rights, the role of government -- are central to what it means to be a progressive. He was proud to have fought them. Indeed, he asked implicitly, was Obama suggesting that he could wave a wand and make these issues go away? Or, was he suggesting that we must not fight on these issues in service of some idea of "post-partisanship"? And what could we hope to accomplish?
I don't think we have ever gotten the answers from Obama.

And, now, Obama appears to be echoing the narrative, spread by the right and their media friends, that the anti-war movement was against the troops. We all know the stories -- that soldiers were spat upon as they returned from Vietnam. In reality, there are few, if any, credible reports that this happened. It was quite the opposite -- anti-war protesters wanted to end a meaningless war and bring the draftees home.
............
hope and thought we could change Washington. We didn't succeed but we marched our hearts out against the war and for civil rights and paved the way. Now he's co-opted the words and reduced them to a campaign slogan, and to top it off, throws us under the bus.
He was 7 years old in 1968 and now wants to gain his street cred among conservatives by distancing himself from us to prove his patriotism and fitness to run against "war hero" John McCain?

He's not showing unity and a new kind of politics. He's spreading divisiveness and showing his brand of politics is no different than that of those that preceded him. "

Obama makes it clear he does not need or want the help of the boomer generation. ...and certainly has not respect or sense of history for what has preceded him as well.

He seems to be working as hard as he can to make sure all these people either stay home for vote for the GOP

maggisd

The only thing that would really be a total game changer (just to use the term or light minded twits) would be a Clinton win in Oregon.

Obama is considered such a total shoo in for the state that if she actually wiped out that seven point spread to win (or for that matter got withing two points) , it would be such a bombshell, that even MNSBCobama would have to pay attention. It's not likely but it sure would be exciting.

Pogo: TY for the good information. Considering how strong McCain is in New Hampshire, Sen Obama really would need to win WV and NM (where I suspect McCain also will be strong)...
I still would like to know how Sen Obama thinks he can make up the electoral votes of the big swing states.

maggi: "Not that I think Sen Clinton will win Oregon ... it is a funny state, the coast very blue, inland very red (like California) and the blues generally outnumber the reds. I think she is hoping for better than expected"

and Hillary hasn't really campaigned much there yet. Obama has spent a lot of time there, but I don't remember the numbers being much different before. So the part about them tied with those who already voted is good news-but don't know what to make of it. Maybe her voters just vote sooner? I don't quite know what to make of the female drop in support there either. There's probably a phenomenal amunt of Obama advertising, judging by what he's doing in other states. Maybe Oregondemocrat will come on later and tell us how things look there.

Meg: I do know that Obama has been "up" in Oregon for quite some time and HRC cannot match him in funds. It's too bad that her campaign wasted so much money trying to win Iowa...it was always a losing proposition, but I suppose they hoped for a knock-out punch.
The thing that amuses me is when people talk about Sen Obama being a good potential executive because he's run such a good campaign ... in that case, we should all vote for David Axelrod, I guess.

Hi folks, I'm here early!

EuroTom, I think that byebye and nash are really the same person with MPD. So I'm sure they do know each other well.

It will interesting how many voters will vote in WVA with the media saying all week it's over, it's over. Hopefully the voters will send a msg to the press to stay out of it and let them have their say. Next week in those two states too.

"I still would like to know how Sen Obama thinks he can make up the electoral votes of the big swing states."

Some of the big swing states will go Democrat no matter what-
and in New Mexico, he has the Governor on his side.

Lynn C: I could not agree with you more regarding Sen Obama's rhetoric about Boomers and also the preceding generation. What has bothered me about Sen Obama from the first is that his unique upbringing seems to have left him without certain gut-level appreciation for his own country ... that what he knows he learned from books. When I first heard the 57 state thing, for instance, I thought it was a joke...but since he apologized for misspeaking I guess it wasn't and I have to wonder who would ever make such a mistake?

Hi 9/11 ... well I didn't mean to go all CAPS... and I was in a sour mood at the moment, and the gleeful taunting just burned my *ss.

Lynn C,
FYI, Obama is a member of the baby boomer generation.

jeejee I agree... the rhetoric and the sentence structure suggests one and the same. I have thought it before, and I am even more convinced now.

Good morning :)

Meg: All the traditionally Dem big states will go Dem no matter what .... California, Massachusetts, New York, etc.
My question is the real swing states ... his surrogates have given the impression they do not need Ohio, Pennsylvania...and they certainly seem willing to forego Florida and Michigan. That's a lot of electoral votes to give up.
BTW, I think McCain has a real chance in NM. I don't think Richardson covered himself with glory, and McCain is not only from a neighboring state but has a very solid record with Hispanics and native Americans.

Since the Supers will determine this race and based on all the so called experts this race is over then tell me why the Supers are holding out. I don't believe they are being nice to Hillary, this is an election for President not a lovefest. Also if Hillary is running out of money then why send her daughter to Puerto Rico. She could go there anytime she wanted too. I don't believe anyone would continue this race if they thought they did not have a chance of winning. After 15 months, it's got to be tiring. Why put yourself thru it. I think she believes there is something out there that is going to change this and it starts today.

My Thanks to Renee and Jamie and Flatus. Comforting to have your condolences. Jamie just couldn't speak of it before. My Dad being the political Guru of the family, he was still talking about the race before he died. He could hardly speak, but would spout off what the race needed to do to win. ;0) Nothing like keeping the blood running until the end.

EUROTOM, they are two individuals.... sorry. Watch the writing both distinctly different. I guessed long ago....

Back to packing.

I'm doing good... I've lost around 35 lbs I guess... not always easy, but I am taking it seriously!

Thanks for asking!

vad - WV will vote in large numbers today - there are many statewide and local elections (including proposed levys, which bring the voters out in droves) on the ballot in addition to the presidential race. Plus it is nice here today, so folks will be out and about.

Meg, Richardson doesn't seem to be performing any magic for Obama in NM.

http://www.pollster.com/08-NM-Pres-GE-MvO.php

For what it's worth, my co-worker heard on the news yesterday that KY has picked the president in the GE since 1864. Bill Clinton won the state twice, and Hillary will win it big in the primaries, and would probably do the same in November.

Obama was eight years old in 1968. I do not consider him a part of the Vietnam era boomer generation

So what's you point anyway.
He is still repeating rightwing talking points and
denigrating the hardwork of a lot of people

Obama claims he is a post Selma march baby (another attempt to revise history) not a post world war 2 baby.

maggi"The thing that amuses me is when people talk about Sen Obama being a good potential executive because he's run such a good campaign ... in that case, we should all vote for David Axelrod, I guess.'

Good point. I have read that Obama is an Axelrod invention.
May not be a pretty way to put it, but it's true.

I have never heard a voter that voted because they were out and about and just happened to be at their place to vote and stopped in. Something has to be on the ballot to bring them out, and I still think in this case it's the presidential race.

"And the Magic Bean Diet transforms anyone who lives on it into a flaming stream of angry farts."

Ha! 9/11 -- you are great.

pogo "Richardson doesn't seem to be performing any magic for Obama in NM."

Very Good news! ty

You guys are my Heroes!
Great day.

West Virginia. Kentucky.
Bellwether states.
YES!

Good coverage of the Myanmar disaster

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7398623.stm

vad, I didn't mean it in that sense. I mean that the weather is nice, so the voters won't use that as an excuse to stay home. This is a big primary election here - they'll vote.

meg, you're welcome, although if BO is indeed the candidate, and I think he will be, I hope Richardson will be able to bring NM into the dem column in Nov.

Obama’s Chavez Communist Hezbollah Hamas Problem

"And Chavez, not missing a beat, rolled out the welcome mat for Hamas...

So what does this have to do with Barack Obama. Let’s start with Bill Ayers again. You know, the guy Barack barely knew but also the same guy who named Barack as President of the Chicago School Reform Collaborative (The Annenberg Challenge). Ayers is a frequent visitor to Venezuela and also enjoys a relationship with Chavez."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/12/obamas-chavez-communist-hezbollah-hamas-problem/

Sheila...

You already have my support and condolences over the passing of your dad and I offer them again.

It seems that everyone forgets that when Russia wanted to put missiles on our doorstep in Cuba we didn't like it, so why should Putin feel any different about us putting missiles on his doorstep.

And like the Mission Accomplished sign Bush used he also told Putin to get over it that the cold war was over.

Just like his statement to Bring It On in Iraq he incited more violence against American Troops.

I fear Bush more than I fear Putin and Russia. If you don't think he won't take us into war in Iran you better think again.

He's insane and don't give a damn what the American People think and you all better wake up before its to late.

God Bless.

In defense of Hillary - Pat Buchanan

"Bill and Hillary Clinton are not playing a race card. Rather, the liberal media and some black journalists with sentimental, emotional or ideological investments in Obama are playing the intimidation card."

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=64150

Blog Hillocrats of the female persuasion (and men too I guess): Apparently we are missing something.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/05/08/obama.jeans.cnn

Ally,

The one leg up, "See I'm A Male" pose was a little hard to miss. It must have sent a major thrill up Matthews leg.

Hey

Remember half of the democratic votes cast today will safely be in the Republican column come November.

How can you only poll 25% in a state where the locals vote Democrat and claim to be a national candidate?

What is the new electoral coalition Obama is putting together?
I keep hearing it but all I see are a lot of AAs voting with their hearts
and a lot of Naderites voting their anger.
The rest is made up of college students that fall in and out of love with the next georgeous babe or hunk that walk by.

All of these folks are safely in the Democrat camp.

Democrats make up 36% of the electorate.
So how does Obama blow off the the rest and survive.

The answer is he doesn't.

You can't win states like Virginia when you have more pictures taken of you hugging Ted Kennedy than you have hugging your wife.

It is the same old story.
Republicans only need 30 or 40 electoral college votes to win.

Democrats need around 85

Go play with this map
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/campaign08/electoral-college/

With Obama's hard run to the left he has lost states like Florida and Missouri.
I don't see him getting them back.
As I said before forget about Virginia, notice the Democrats they elect are damn near Republicans.

As I play with the map and polls, it comes down to the same state, Ohio will decide the election

I hope those of you from Ohio have a good set ear plugs.

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

Yes, Jamie, I guess you're right. Miss is the wrong word.

Vogue. Vogue. Vogue. (Madonna sings in the background.)

The press says one thing and the voters say another.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/13/clinton-hopes-west-virginia-will-deliver-big-win-for-long-shot-bid/

Racism alarms Obama's backers
Candidate's foot soldiers encounter name-calling, vandalism, bomb threats

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24588813/

a completely unebelieveable story from an unbelievable source. They also said people spit on soldiers and that wasn't true either.

This is just more of the same kind of fake video tape stories...everyones a racist but the Obama supporters.

The only one that might have been more obvious is the hooking of the thumbs in the waist band with the fingers pointing down from both sides.

He must be taking lessons from Paris Hilton

BHO said on one of the debates that he would not be a good CEO, he loses things. My question: What the heck does he think the oval office is. The presidency is the largest CEO office in the US. He said it himself. He would not make a good president.

Julie

Remember --

This ain't someone else -- Wright, Ayres or Rezko.

This is not implication by association.

This is HIS change of HIS direction on the sly.

Sounds like New Politics has gone back to The Classic Original to me.

Naturally MSNBC doesn't mention Sen. Clinton being booed by the Obama supporters at Democratic dinners. They are juvenile and rude and then wonder why adults actually reject their hero.

Former Edwards advisor Mudcat Saunders on hope and change among Reagan Democrats:

“What people don’t understand about Appalachia is that we’ve heard all this ‘hope’ and ‘change’ stuff since the English kicked the Scotch-Irish out in the 1700s. We’re ‘hoped’ out. Nothing ever changes out here. He’s got to come with some solid policies.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10230.html

Sheila'
You have my deepest sympathy.It was a very hard time for me when I lost my father in'84 so I feel your pain
Ruth

Here, you go, this sums it up pretty nicely, I think

http://bp3.blogger.com/_t-EfdceTs60/SCiw6kJnbEI/AAAAAAAADis/xobZFZNitwE/s1600-h/ObomaManiacBehaviorGuide.jpg

I totally agree with the write in vote.It won't cost as much as a third party and through the internet we could educate enough people on how to do it and could reach many millions with just a click of the mouse .We need to go for it.
Ruth

Nick "Rezko Watch: Obama's Superdelegate Bamboozle
http://www.rezkowatch.blogspot.com/ "

I read it. And for some reason I'm not surprised.
I don't think I'd put anything past his campaign.

http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/
I read here yesterday about how he drove his Chicago senate opponent out of the race.

jeejee: "Here, you go, this sums it up pretty nicely, I think"
http://bp3.blogger.com/_t-EfdceTs60/SCiw6kJnbEI/AAAAAAAADis/xobZFZNitwE/s1600-h/ObomaManiacBehaviorG

Jee, great find. my favorite was the Stark Reality Mode.

JeeJee

LOL
That is so funny
And they are all here, I can even assign names to each type.

LOL

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

911 'What will be next to get sawed off the Obama platform?"

Depends on what state he's in.

Ruth-Write in vote for Hillary. Yes!

Jamie re your 12:03 post: stop dumping on Obama supporters, or use the word "some."

I am told there were boos at the North Carolina dinner featuring HRC and BHO, but they were for NC Gov. Mike Easley (who endorsed Clinton and is apparently a not too popular dude in NC for reasons beyond that; "do nothing" was used as his descriptor). No one booed the presidential candidates.

Jamie: I am really tired of people here dumping on all Obama supporters, just as you are sick of perceived insults at Hillary.

It's not fair and complaining about all Obama supporters makes you look whacko.

carol - Eventually, enough of the shine will rub off of Obama's penny that people will not be blinded. I seriously wonder how many are sorry that they voted for him as info about him starts to escape from the shackles the media has had on it.

A write-in campaign sounds good; the Green Party sounds like a possibility. However, I do worry about Hil'ry becoming the Ralph Nadar of '08 & giving BO a chance to win...if, as I suspect, the Dems are foolishly anxious to put up Kerry II as the nom.

If it takes voting for McCain to make sure that the MORE capable candidate gets into office, then that's what I'll do. However, I would like to see the MOST capable candidate win and that is Hil'ry.

Out of curiosity where does one do a write in on a optical scan ballot or a touch screen voting machine?

And if you do a write in on an optical scan ballot will the scanner read the write in vote?

Inquiring minds would like to know.

God Bless.

Hillary will be campaigning in Oregon Friday and Saturday so we will be pretty busy.

Barack will be in Ofregon Saturday and Sunday.

President Clinton had good croweds this week.
In Corvallis they scheduled in a small school allowing 300.
1600 showed up so they moved outside.

Lots of fun here..

Back to the phones..

Dog

I was speaking specifically of the lack of coverage by MSNBC of the ones in the crowd who greeted Hillary Clinton when she came out to give her speech. If you weren't in the crowd and weren't one of the ones jeering and booing, then the criticism wasn't directed at you.

I read the 12:03 post by Jamie, and it looked like Jamie was talking about MSNBC, not Obama supporters. Am I looking at the wrong post Dog.

Color me puce.

Oh do please all the Hillary supporters, vote for McInsane. Then when more of our brave Soldiers get crippled, maimed both physically and mentally or die you can say how proud you are for voting for another war monger.

God Bless.

AP

You request a paper "write in" ballot when you go to vote. How it is done can vary from state to state.

Here is an old article with a general description of how it works

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/nov2004/nf2004112_5680_db038.htm

I don't think there's a law anywhere saying people have to vote for anyone.

Oregon Democrat
Isn't that all mail in voting there?
Is there still time this weekend for the mail-ins?

The biggest problem with a "write in" is that the candidate must file to become one. If Hillary doesn't file, then you can't "write in" her name without the whole ballot being invalidated. That is oneof the ways the two major parties hang on to power.

This is the main reason that I faceciously suggested yesterday that she and Gore run on the Green Ticket, since that party already exists in the majority of states.

doesn't Puce in French mean Flea?

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Are you sure it isn't louse?

Hey

Look at the strawman

Anon-paranoid

I love how you like to play with straw,
but be careful.

Straw is highly flamable

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

I'm not convinced that...
a) Hil'ry won't still be the nom
b) McCain isn't just toeing the party line until he is Prez & then
c) BO has any idea of how to extract troops from Iraq and what the consequences would be in whatever manner he "thinks" he can manage it
d) I'm puce today; I may be more of a Merlot

anon - So let me get this straight. If we don't love BO, then we are racists who don't support our troops. Jeez, the logic just amazes me.

Blue,

Okay you can be puce. I'm going for magenta.

On larry King Last night,finally a real journalist.
Whenasked who she supports,Barbara Walters said as a journalist she is not allowed to say.Hurrah!
Too bad we don't have journalists on air instead of commentators.
Ruth

Meg and Jamie: nope, I see Jamie's 12:03 post as being pretty generic for Obama supporters.

PS: for those planning a write-in in November -- which would be a perfect thing to do to your grandchildren and loved ones with so much at stake after 8 years of Bush-Cheney -- get yer spite on --

why stop with Hillary? Vote for Abe Lincoln too!

Most of us regret we never got the chance to support President Lincoln in his time (although are glad to have missed that bloody war), so go for it.

Like FDR -- write him in too!

I mean, voting for a candidate not on the ballot rather disqualifies your vote, does it not?, and therefore, why stick to one write-in candidate only?

Hell, Leonardo daVinci was a pretty cool guy too. He was pretty inventive; would have some good ideas on what we could do if we don't have much $$ for new technology. You know, 'cause it's all tied up in Iraq, etc.

So what if he's (a) dead for centuries, (b) Italian and (c) never set foot in any of the American territory. Write him in!

And take your favorite crayon or fountain pen along for the occasion.

Liked Shirley Chisholm and regret that you never got to vote for a viable black candidate -- oh, wait....

"Are you sure it isn't louse?"

I think she's talking about colors.

doots - It's a reddish-brownish-purplish color, and yes, that was the origin of the word. However, I have moved from puce to Merlot to aubergine. Yes, definitely aubergine today.

jeejee - No, you don't have to vote. Clinton supporters wouldn't have to vote in WV today, but in doing so, they send a message about who they think is more likely to win in the general against McCain.

AP funny you ask. I voted on an opscan ballot this morning - it had a place to write in candidates for at least a couple of the races. I have to expect that the opscan readers are set to detect whether there is a mark in the write-in field and either reads the written-in entry (I doubt this because of the variability of handwriting) or diverts the ballot to be hand counted.

vad, for you - to show you the excitement here. (btw, I know Truman Chafin, and Truman Chafin is an idiot).

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/12/clinton-supporter-on-wv-vote-just-wait-%E2%80%98til-we-win-like-80-20/

Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun said"

Obama said of veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan, "the true test of our patriotism is whether we will serve our returning heroes as well as they've served us."

Typical Obama who was critical of Senator Clinton because of the Gas Holiday proposal and called it pandering, is now pandering to get the Veteran vote by supporting the GI Extension Bill S. 1261 which is a flawed bill and has an expiration date on it, plus added funding for the Iraq war built in. I detect hypocrisy here, what is he going to do co-sponsor a bill that funds the war he is opposed to or shamelessly pander to get the Vet vote? This Bill has no incentive to stay in the military, and may deplete our military even further than it has been under Bush. Sen Harkin needs to amend the bill from it's current status. It is a moot point because Obama knows Bush will veto the bill anyway so he gets to play hero here without any liability, it is a good bill long overdue that just needs some tweaks to it

In any event the political novice is still debating whether or not to Co-sponsor the bill too bad for him he is not able to vote "Present" on it lol

--Heather

jeejee....
LOVE the graph..... and yes.... I put names to the various categories too..... lol...

anon..... optical scanners are machines that count votes marked on a paper ballot.... at the very end of the ballot is a section for write-ins..... when a write-in is detected the ballot is automatically kicked out so the write-in vote can be recorded by hand.... I've counted many such ballots.... it ain't rocket science.....

Pogo.... I've only been watching the Celtics since the beginning of the playoffs..... I've never really been into basketball..... I'm just learning all the players names and the rules... so I haven't a clue "what's happened to them"......

Dog, why stop with Hillary? Vote for Abe Lincoln too!"

Thanks for all the ideas.
They all sound better than Obama.

jamie,

from Wikipedia, "The word comes from French; puce literally means "flea", as the usual flea coloration is either dark reddish-brown or dark purplish-brown."

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Meg - I assumed I was being referred to as a louse for not jumping on the BO bandwagon. So be it.

BinNY - Just because BillO is a self-centered, blowhard, doesn't give KO a pass. One is far right, the other far left; I have no use for either of them.

dog,

So instead I should vote for someone I believe to be totally unqualified for the job he is seeking and who will damage the country by being an amateur puppet controlled by the left fringe of the party that has kept us out of office for multiple decades?

I don't want to vote for McCain for a lot of other reasons.

There are bound to be other offices where I will vote a straight Democratic ticket.

Heather, Obama to"play hero here without any liability"

But, you have to agree, that's what Obama does best.

Meg,

To follow up on an earlier comment about Obama being an invention of Axelrod... I have my own theory.

I've been troubled by the disconnect in Clinton strength vs McCain in the electoral college, how Obama rose so fast from 3yrs in Senate and seemed to have a organization materialize from nothing, and why the DNC and party elders have been so tough on Hillary.

My theory is Howard Dean:

He competed for DNC chair in 2004 against Clinton opposition.. so now he hates the Clintons and pay back is now

As DNC chair, he's been touring the country setting up his 50 state strategy for the last 4 yrs. and he's handed over the network to his hand picked nominee in 2008 ..Obama.. (it's the one thing that makes sense for the huge advantage Obama had in all those caucus states shortly after Super Tues. The Clinton's thought the expense would be prohibitive ..that's why they did not compete.)

Dean's new electoral college map that seems to exclude all the traditional democratic base also seems to need some southern states. He went down there after he won the DNC chair and started building a base. Obama has won big there

Howard Dean kept The Deaniacs and his massive internet operation going after 2004.. they have been mobilized now and the Obamabots sure fit the Deaniac description

I hate to think the party I have supported so long would be about revenge and a flawed candidate.. rather than supporting the best candidate and our country.

Go Hillary!! write in candidate in 2008

nick, is this it??Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss
http://www.leoslyrics.com/listlyrics.php?hid=FzAqIgnRCmk=

I agree with Carville on this:

“I still hear some dogs barking,” said Carville, the flamboyant Louisianan known as the left’s ragin’ Cajun. “I’m for Senator Clinton, but I think the great likelihood is that Obama will be the nominee.
“As soon as I determine when that is, I’ll send him a check.”

But the check has not been written yet.

http://www.thestate.com/local/story/403293.html

Ruth, in honor of Obama, lets call it a Bro-Down.

And, Blue, I was speaking of November. I will definitely be voting for Hillary next week. After that, I am changing my registration to Independent. It doesn't matter if I can't vote in the primaries anymore, because this is the first year I can remember that we even had a choice. We've always had to vote for a candidate that was already picked for us, and that hasn't worked out so well in the past.

well...... considering how color is my thing...... I wanna be a rainbow.....

bowwow..... if your theory about H Dean is correct..... you just made me feel so much better about voting for Kerry in the 04 NH primary.....

I can agree with this:

http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/mcauliffe-says-media-in-the-tank-for-obama-2008-05-13.html

Bowwow, I've been coming to somewhat the same conclusion. It took a while to put the pieces together, but what got me going at first was when I heard that howard dean was the first one to work the internet well and had a huge base on it before he lost. Also, Dean on tv a while back said "we have to make sure this election appears fair" before we end it. Since then, he changed it to :making sure the election is fair" but I distinctly remember his saying APPEARS fair at the time. They're afraid if it doesn't appear fair, then they lose Hillary's part of the voting block.

I assume you may have seen this (that someone posted earlier) and normally I wouldn't have taken it seriously, but the pieces were all there in my mind anyway.
Democratic Elitists And Their Role In Hijacking The Democratic Party!

http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/05/new-american-disenfranchisement.html

make sure you go about half way down to the "Let me take you back part".

anon-p,

Your answer about Putin was solipsistic and inadequate.

Putin is intent on recreating not only the Soviet domination of Eastern Europe, his relationship with Iran is totally resonant with the ancient Russian domination, at first through trade and then through military alliance, of Central Asia.

Western Europe is increasingly disturbed by Putin's total usurping of the Russian gas and oil industries (including the jailing of anyone who was now President Medvedev).

That is the device he is using to launch war with the Republic of Georgia.

Putin has made the Russian Orthodox Church the OFFICIAL state religion and has encourged both legal and illegal abuse of any other Christian belief. Judaism and Islam are both condemned and open to all sorts of violence and legal abuse.

Putin has also made this the hallmark of public schooling within the Russian Federation.

Your concerns about the White House are Bush league compared to this and the effects this will have on Eastern & Western Europe along with the Middle East and Central Asia.

There is no law there except dictatorship and the rapid accumulation of power and abuse of law.

AND OBAMA IGNORED THIS -- which was his MAIN responsibility in the Senate.

You must love that dearly.

Typo --

(including the jailing of anyone who was NOT now President Medvedev).

Maybe the networks should be doing more of this:

Who Is the Real Barack Obama?

Maybe FOX has their motives that I don't agree with but at least they are doing more than the other networks.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,355305,00.html

nick, Great lyrics.

jeejee

That "Obamaniac Behavior Guide" is laugh-out-loud hilarious!!

I just sent it to all my family and friends...(even the few crazed Obamaniacs I know and love...they'll be OK...they'll get over it!!)

seriously LMAO!!!

Thanks for posting the guide!! 8~D

If Bush won't listen or care what the House and Senate say why do you believe that McInsane would?

Also if the Republicans maintain 41 seats they will block any votes they don't like which is something the Democrats failed to do when they had 49 seats and 1 traitor Judas Lieberman.

Remember 7 Dem's and Judas voted for the MCA of 2006. The Republicans held all theres to vote for it except Lincoln Chafee and they got Judas's vote in place of his. Still 7 Dem's crossed over on that bill.

God Bless.

Meg

Thanks for the link.. this is very troubling to me..

anon-p,

You blindly support a candidate who willfully failed to do the thing his party-appointed position mandated --

To hold hearings and investigations which would expose and condemn a tyranny whose methods not only reflect but exceed the ones used by Hitler, your icon of all evil --

But he never held a hearing --

Or convened a session --

Or prepared a report --

Because he preferred to prance before crowds who chant his name --

As hearings bore him. (His own admission.)

Who's a Judas now?

nanny: "We bitter old ladies and some very open minded non-sexist men have had enough."

My husband is one of those non-sexist men who has had enough too. Why vote for the lesser of 2 evils as you say, when we can write in Hillary. Howard Dean: "Not this time."
Along with Hillary, we can make a stand!

Just a thought on this very good day in WV. It really doesn't matter about the math, because if Hillary wins this and Kaintuck, Puerto Rico, and comes close in Oregon, Montana and S. Dakota - there is always a vote on the convention floor, where they will have to find a way to seat the MI and FL delegates or disenfranchise them(tsk, tsk). A public exploding(Gordo) is always better and more OPEN so that people can see they're not being robbed by the Clintons.
I don't quite follow why pundits etc., use that terminology. It's Hillary that's running. Since Michelle runs her very big mouth for her husband, maybe Hillary is running against the Obamas, plural.

So and you think that Bush making the Evangelical Christians the official religion of the United States is any different.

McInsane's spiritual leader Rod Parsley said it is the mission of America to wipe out Islam. So our Government supports the genocide of all Muslims.

And want to force all Americans to live by their interpretation of the Bible like Huckabee said. Bring the Constitution into line with the Bibles Laws.

Good Luck living under the Evangelicals Bible Laws.

God Bless.

More: "In the face of grim poll numbers, the Obama campaign has attempted to dismiss today's outcome despite the fact that Sen. Obama has outspent us on advertising, has more staff in the state, and more than double the number of offices. He has also benefited from the support of the most high-profile endorsers in West Virginia-Sen. Jay Rockefeller and Congressman Nick Rahall. By every measure, the Obama campaign has waged an aggressive campaign in the Mountain State."
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/13/1015530.aspx

Must be true. It's on MSNBC

pogo,

I'm voting for him.

And like a lot of people I know...

We're calling him on his crap.

Not to elect McCain but to let him know that his comfort zone is a little too big the job that is ahead of him --

And that if he hasn't learned from the last seven years that "vision" without daily due diligence is "blindness" --

He's gonna learn it the hard way.

There are better things for a leader to have written than two self-absorbed memoirs.

And a lot of Dem voters and officeholders are gonna take him to school just like they took WJC for the first two years of his first term.

Dog,

"but I would NOT be conjecturing about it on a public blog."

And just how many millions of pages are the Republicans monitoring with a fine toothed comb to get ideas that I am sure they can think of on their own without our help?

Alert the the black helicopters, I know Bush and minions are filtering every pearl that drops from our fingers looking for traitors, but I doubt there is anything on this "public blog" that will give them even a mild case of heartburn.

anon-ignorant,

Evangelical Christianity is NOT taught in our schools.

The Constitution has not been amended to relieve us of the freedom of religion.

Practitioners of other Christian faiths are not beaten and jailed -- nor are those who follow non-Christian faith or are atheistic or agnostic.

Those laws are not in place except in your obsessive fantasies of abuse and martyrdom --

And your endless citing of those who betray you.

Shame on you.

I am going to simply state that, I will support Senator Clinton to the end, in my heart my soul and my mind I believe she will be a far better president then Sen. Obama, there is not one shred of doubt that I have about that. I have taken alot of abuse because of it but I will stand firm.

If Obama is the nominee at this time I am not sure what I will do, I will weigh my options, one thing I am sure of, I will not vote for Obama.

One thing I will do is that I will continue to defend Hillary even if she is not the nominee because already the venomous Obama supporters are setting her up for the blame if Obama loses the general election, I am not going to backstab her like the Kennedy's, Richardson's, Andrews, etc etc, loyalty means something to me.

All this scorched earth nonsense is garbage, big deal so what she comes back in 2012 and wins, once again I and many others will back and support her once again, and I will have a long memory in the next round of democratic primaries and all those that took their support away from Hillary I will vote for the other Democratic candidate and encourage others to especially women to do the same, there will be a blood debt to be paid and women will be respected.

Politics is a rough game and the Clinton's play it well, these super-delegates be warned, we are taking names and kicking butt. Hillary may or may not be denied the nomination if so she will be back in 2012 whereas Obama will be a foggy memory, Democrats for better or worse have no love for failed candidates in the general election, they tend to be more tolerant of primary losses.

We fought in battle we lost in battle...and battle again we will! We are Irish close kin to the Scots and just like Braveheart with Sir William Wallace we will mount our mighty steeds and do battle again for Hillary! Stay The Course And Don't Give Up The Fight!

Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedoooooooommmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--Heather

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JeeJee
Looks like we are getting a candidate hand picked for us this time too.
Ruth

Exactly, Ruth, and they think they're going to get away with it. We'll find out who plays chicken best, I guess.

I'm leaving for a while, got to renew my driver's license. Back later.

9/11, wasn't "I am the God of Liquid Coal" the intro line in "Fire" by the Crazy World of Arthur Brown? Or something like it?

Braveheart is one of my favorite movies!

(Great action and one of the best love stories on film - with his wife - not the princess ; )

I just want you all to know that I cried today. When I read that Sen. Obama wouldn't receive Heather's vote, all of the emotion just came flooding out, and I'm not ashamed to admit it. Whatever will we do?

So I have come up with a new political "catch phrase" to support the "Dream Ticket"....

"Screw the people you are closest too."

(Mind you - this phrase if for effect - and should not be taken literally...well, then again ; )

Anyways - here is the logic. I think most of the people that would have the biggest problem with putting Hillary Clinton on the ticket - are the die-hard Obama supporters. These are the supporters that have taken every Clinton attack on Obama personally. They are mad as hell and they want Clinton's head on a platter - instead of simply kissing and making up.

But guess what - those Obama-maniacs are going anywhere. I cannot for the life of me envision how any significant number of the most loyal supporters of Obama - would ever consider voting for McCain simply because Clinton would be VP.

(Anyways - I would love to hear what people have to say on this because I am still thinking it through myself.)

But I keep coming back to two things important for the VP:

1. What votes do they bring to the general?

2. How will they perform at the VP debates and on the campaign trail?

1. HRC does not simply put a single state in play. Moreover, while a Governor might bring a state (I think we could count on Rendell) - Hillary WILL bring millions and millions of loyal supporters.

2. I will enjoy her a heck of a lot more when she is attacking McCain and the Republicans - instead of Obama. And I can't think of anyone that would fare better in the debates.

(Got to do some work - but I will be back later.)

Hell no to Billary on the ticket. They're a political disaster from the 20th Century. Scandal, deceit, liars with no moral backbone, and that's just a statement about their marriage.

Bye Bye:

I don't doubt that you feel that way (right now and may feel the exact same way in November) - but the question is - would you still vote for Obama?

I can't figure out if warren is schizophrenic or if he shares the same user name with someone else. ??

n

Of course. But as a political strategy, Billary is a bad move. She's everything Obama isn't. She uses all of the gutter tactics of old politics, and with Obama sticking to his new politics strategy, she's like an old shoe that doesn't fit. He won't put her on the ticket.

Lots of people use different names, Meg...you'd be surprised...8~D

pogo,

You just won another round of Rock and Roll Jeopardy.

Painter:

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Is it bingo? Think I heard that somewhere...

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re "conjecture on a public blog": friends: need I point out that Craig's blog is hosted by CQ and that I would hate to have numerous lurkers thinking you gals are typical of the American voter.

Had I said "if Obama's not on the ticket, I will write him in" you would be all over me for my juvenile Obamabot ways.

Learn some perspective, folks.

And am not trying to muzzle anyone, just saying that your words will hang around long aftter some of you decamp for other parts.

Meg:

Not surprised you suspect that. But my main focus is getting a Democrat in the White House.

And right now - I am thinking that HRC as VP may form the strongest ticket for the White House.

Bye bye Billary,

Meet David Axelrod and Barack Obama, circa 2004:

Axelrod is known for operating in this gray area, part idealist, part hired muscle. It is difficult to discuss Axelrod in certain circles in Chicago without the matter of the Blair Hull divorce papers coming up. As the 2004 Senate primary neared, it was clear that it was a contest between two people: the millionaire liberal, Hull, who was leading in the polls, and Obama, who had built an impressive grass-roots campaign. About a month before the vote, The Chicago Tribune revealed, near the bottom of a long profile of Hull, that during a divorce proceeding, Hull’s second wife filed for an order of protection. In the following few days, the matter erupted into a full-fledged scandal that ended up destroying the Hull campaign and handing Obama an easy primary victory. The Tribune reporter who wrote the original piece later acknowledged in print that the Obama camp had “worked aggressively behind the scenes” to push the story. But there are those in Chicago who believe that Axelrod had an even more significant role — that he leaked the initial story. They note that before signing on with Obama, Axelrod interviewed with Hull. They also point out that Obama’s TV ad campaign started at almost the same time. Axelrod swears up and down that “we had nothing to do with it” and that the campaign’s television ad schedule was long planned. “An aura grows up around you, and people assume everything emanates from you,” he told me.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/01/magazine/01axelrod.t.html?pagewanted=4&_r=1

Bye Bye:

"Of course. But as a political strategy, Billary is a bad move. She's everything Obama isn't. She uses all of the gutter tactics of old politics, and with Obama sticking to his new politics strategy, she's like an old shoe that doesn't fit."

Trust me. I am struggling with this issue myself. And you better believe that if Obama did choose Clinton - the GOP would be pounding away at this argument in the general. But....

1. Who cares. The GOP can make this argument all they want - but if Obama keeps his supporters and Clintons most of Clintons - how can he be stopped.

2. I agree changing the politics in Washington is one of Obama's main goals. But I think he can still acheive that as President. As I have said, a good President can set the tone in Washington.

3. Obama is not naive. Although he wants to change politics - he realizes that the rules of the game have not changed yet. Thus, he is going to need to "fight fire with fire" - and who better to have on the attack than Hillary Clinton. Obama can still remain above the fray and inspire everyone with his speeches - and HRC can beat back the GOP when they get out of line.

(Like I said - I am still thinking this through. But it is growing on me.)

Well, little Bri-Bri...

You have made your priorities clear today.

Deceptions about fossil fuels? A-OK!

Failure to hold hearings on Putin's creation of a Imperial, Lawless Superpower? HAWTBAMA!

The only thing about you that is New Politics is that your doobies make for the modern smoke-filled room.

Some dedicate themselves to God and country.

Some believe that now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their party.

Not you.

Your personal creed is a lot more special:

"FOR POT -- AND POTTY!"

I would hate to have numerous lurkers thinking you gals are typical of the American voter.
--dog hussein dog

Please tell me that you were LYAO when you posted that!!! You can't be serious!!

__________

Learn some perspective, folks.
--dog hussein dog

Practice what you preach 8~D

bye bye

there are going to be a lot more people than heather voting against obama .......im one and i know of many many more

heather

you got the same guts and courage as hillary ....keep it up

9/11 - and multitasking while doing that!!! C'mon, that wasn't your inspiration for the quote was it?

"Then when more of our brave Soldiers get crippled, maimed both physically and mentally or die you can say how proud you are for voting for another war monger."

No, anon, you idiot. YOU will be responsibele for helping rig an election for a bad candidate.

pogo,

Absolutely.

Arthur is the sort of nutty I adore.

Plus, naming Clinton as VP could also play into Obama's narrative of "new politics" like this:

"New politics" is being practical and listening to the voters - instead of listening to the media-ocracy and conventional wisdom.

This would be another example of Obama doing what the media says "he can't". It is also very practical - and I think Clinton supporters would like her at the Convention and on the ticket. And us Obama supporters would get over our hard feelings very quickly. Especially with the GOP ramping up their attacks.

Patsi,

God bless.

9/11, that is just frickin' scary. And I used to just love that album.

pogo,

Arthur's still at all sorts of good things in England.

warren,

Well, that would be truly, sincerely amazing should he do that.

You don't think he would show any of his snark reflex/reflux, do you?

Like introduce her as his V-P designate by saying:

"She's nice enough."

Hey
It must be nice to have the luxury of being a single issue voter.

Pogo
There are more serious issues than the court system.

Divided government can provide the block you need.

But in all the issues that need to be resolved
only McCain can get them done.
McCain is not obligated to his wing nuts
as Obama is.
Remember the right wingnuts did everything in their power to oppose him.
All they can do now is sit down and shut up.

McCain will and has proved he can work with the opposition.

With McCain you will get a healthcare plan.
One that will be a compromise that includes many features that Democrats like.

With Obama, you get stalemate and fillibuster.

The same with the environment, energy policy with McCain you get a lot of input from a Democratic congress
with Obama , stalemate and fillibuster.

The most important reason to vote McCain is foreign policy.
With McCain you get a return to a pragmatic approach that leads with engagement and diplomacy.
It is a complete reversal of the Bush "lets stir things up and see what happens"
Also, in a McCain administration we won't have a debate about the definition of torture.

With Obama
"Whats foriegn policy?"

As I said I'm for divided government.
I'm glad to see conservative Democrats winning in Miss.
But don't believe that means a far left liberal, like Obama, will get many votes in the same district.

It is not happening.

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

9/11, I just went and looked up AB - he is indeed still much more active than most of the 60s rockers - and I wasn't aware that Pete Townsend produced the "Crazy World" album. He does need to quit lighting himself, though. Takes longer to heal as we get older.

pugnacious,

McCain's health plan would do in a guy like me.

It would undo the financial support oncologists and hematologists get for giving chemo and biological treatments and further the excessive freedoms HMO's have in changing the rules on a near daily basis.

pogo,

I think he thinks he was an original member of the Fantastic Four.

Pug - what's more important than what is purely a value judgment. I don't know what world you spend your days in, but I spend mine in the legal world, and I beg to disagree. All of the issues you mentioned are very important, and there is some merit to many of the points you make, some of which I agree with. But most issues in our govenment are issues that affect some but not all and can be fixed tomorrow if they aren't fixed today - judicial appointments last about a generation, and affect everyone. Seeing a federal judiciary go from something over 2/3 to aroudn 80% republican appointees, with a solid majority of the same on the Supreme Court scares hell out of me.

If divided government provides the "block" I supposedly need, I suggest to you that you are wrong. It might if the two sides have similar levels of resolve and provide the checks and balances envisioned by the founders - neither of which is operative in the pantywaisted congressional leadership we have now. We have divided government that has provided no such block to the insanity visited upon us by Dumya and his puppetmaster, Darth, and I see no significant change in that division or the control of it.

pug:

I am pretty much a single-issue voter. And that issue is Foreign Policy. And Obama's positions on Foreign Policy are superior to those of McCain and the GOP.

9/11 - TY for posting that story about Blair Hull. It's very difficult to credit Mr Axelrod's denials when the same thing happened to Sen Obama's original Republican opponent in the same campaign ... that is to say, the Chicago newspapers pursued the unsealing of his sealed divorce papers,
Not to mention that, in his original run for the State Senate, Sen Obama's campaign cleared the field of all opposition candidates by challenging voter signatures, using a copy of a newly purged voter list that none of the other candidates had.
None of this was at all illegal, but it doesn't smack of new politics.

Bri-Bri,

Ah... for you.

Second hand smoke causing cancer in dogs...

http://www.vetmed.illinois.edu/petcolumns/showarticle.cfm?id=473

Let's have a doobie double!

The pulmonary effects of dogs inhaling marijuana and tobacco smoke --

The conclusion?

"Chronic inhaling of marijuana and tobacco produced the bronchiolitis with marcrophage infiltration in the wall of the terminal air passages."

There was also a higher incidence of squamous metaplasia!

http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2063594158.html

Scooby to Shaggy: "Man, you're killing me."

maggi, as Meg said earlier - "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" and remember the song it's from.

warren, you are sounding unusually reasonable and analytical. I don't think BHO/HRC is in the cards, but you are right IMHO in one critical respect - it may be not just the most effective way, but the ONLY way to redraw the electoral college map as Dean and Axelrod apparently envision.

Warren: The advantage of a BO/HRC ticket are not just political. BO may be inspirational, but HRC is a genuine policy wonk and a really hard worker. She is that little girl in the front row who knew all the answers.
The New Yorker did a story about BO some months ago, in which an aide told the reporter this anecdote ... BO was sitting at his first meeting of the Foreign Relations committee...no reason given why he didn't leave and then come back, as a lot of Senators do, but, he sat there listening to all his colleagues and about 30 minutes in to the session, he wrote a note and passed it to his aide ... note said "just kill me now." I can't imagine HRC ever writing a note like that ... I don't think she allows herself to get bored.

Best of both worlds...he can make the speeches and do the ceremonial stuff and she can do the grunt work.

maggiesd,

That was all Axelrod.

What wasn't was the release of info in the Jack Ryan divorce.

9/11......
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!

Pogo..... I don't care who the eventual Dem nominee is..... NH is gonna go for McCain in a BIG way...... I swear.... this state would marry him if it could....
therefore..... If Clinton is that nominee.... I'll darken in her circle..... if it's Obama.... I'll do a write-in for Clinton.... either way it won't amount to a hill of beans for this state.....

of course..... I'll vote Dem for the rest of the ticket....

Yeah, I'm all for letting Hillary run the country while Obama goes around uniting & inspiring.

Pogo, Warren - My concern is not electability so much as it is governance. As HRC has pointed out on more than one occasion, after the inauguration the President goes into that office and is confronted with the real job. I continue to have enormous qualms about Sen Obama. Yes, charisma counts but let us try to imagine where any of us would be in our choices if Sen Obama's speeches sounded like his interview and debate responses. Seriously.
IMHO, Hillary is a female version of Al Gore. And I think millions of us would give anything if just a few more of the Naderites (now to be found online at HuffPo) had voted for Al Gore.

jeejee - It would be a typical sort of marriage ... let the guy focus on the big picture while the "little lady" makes sure things run right.

warren,

No European Affairs Sub-Committee hearings?

No reports?

That should be notable to you... particularly as he was charged with leading that sub-committee in very early 2007.

9/11 - I often see Obama supporters pointing to his well run campaign as proof that he can run the government. Maybe we should really be pushing for Axelrod for President.

Hey, don't diss the Nader Nuts. I plan to become one if Hillary loses. Get ready to be bored to death with his policys, people.

Warren, I'm sorry but it's a bad move. Billary represents all that is bad with politics in the heads of many voters, both Democrats and Republicans. Plus, Barack is not only trying to win the presidency, He's reshaping the Democratic Party. Billary is not part of that and her constituency can be brought in with other ways. There's always the lunatic fringe who will vote against their interests, but you can't worry about them.

9/11:

It is not. No amount of hearings, investigations or reports would get George W. Bush to change his Foreign Policy.

The only way to change it - is to kick the GOP out of the White House. And that is exactly what we plan to do.

renee, that's what the polls are sayign about NH, and that is probably the result here as well (last time that was polled here was late Feb. McCain beat BHO by 20 points then; Hillary beat McCain by 5). It is a sure thing if the contest is BHO v. JMc. But TX & IN are in the back of my mind when I think about a Quixotic vote for Hillary in the general if Obama wins the nomination, so I'll swallow hard, hold my nose and vote my issue.

maggi, I am considering stark choices about the issue(s) I consider important - Obama or McCain. It's a no brainer for me.

"She uses all of the gutter tactics of old politics"

She is sweetness and light compared to the mud flood unleashed by Axelrod.

BTW, you Clintonites crack me up because you're doing the very thing that made your Billary a loser. You figure that as a black man, he couldn't possibly beat a white woman. And yet, he did. So you continue to believe that something's a miss. Meanwhile, if Barack had run a campaign like Billary, with chief strats not knowing the delegate rules, creating a huge campaign debt, 'playing the gender card', you all would have had a hissy fit. I LOVE how Barack did it. Keeping to his principles, while letting Billary degenerate into a pandering, broke, average politician. Everyone say it together: GAS TAX! LOL

Obama is doing the Obama gloat dance tonight. Big appearance right at the same time that the WV returns will be coming in . Where will he be doing the gloat dance ... in Rush Limbaugh's home town.

Tell us again what a class act this guy is supposed to be?

Bye Bye Billary: Re-shaping the Democratic Party? Meaning that Sen Obama and his supporters are happy to let go of the moderates and the Blue Dogs? How long do they expect to stay in power? This country varies between modestly center left and modestly center right, except for a few large urban population centers.

9/11, I think that electing someone because they hire people who run a good campaign is something like buying a car because you like the work of the person who painted it.

Dog
The only way I can continue reading this blog is to post,so instead of typing some useless dribble I post on letter.After I post I xan not read next post so I just continue with my letters.

Dog
I post letters so I can read blog.Blog stops after my last post so instead of posting useless dribble I post useless letters
Ruth

Bye Bye: His voting record does not tell the whole story, since that is largely shaped by party leadership. There have been at least two occasions -- ethics reform and immigration -- where he initially signed on to compromise legislation and then withdrew his support.
My problem with Sen Obama is largely in the area of foreign policy. I do not think we can all just "get along" ... I do not think that there is a moral equivalency between the Israelis and the Palestinians nor do I think our President should risk our prestige by having tea and sarnies with Ahmedinijad, etc.

jamie, I think that the messiah is telling us that. No need to ask his followers to explain it.

Just because it is interesting: Einstein letter to be auctioned

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080513/Einstein_letter_080513/20080513?hub=TopStories

Sen. Obama is drawing the moderates and Blue Dogs. And GOP and independents.

It's Hillary who, in the immortal words from Spinal Tap, finds that her "appeal is becoming more selective."

Obama won Utah, North Dakota, Missouri (a squeaker, admittedly), Virginia easily and a lot of states now in play that would not be with Clinton as nominee.

Your continued derision says more about you gals than about the candidate you disdain.

warren,

If it were me or if it was any of the Senators whose work I know and trust -- left or right or center -- I would be holding hearings.

Wasn't that the JOB of the Democratic members of Congress elected to the new MAJORITY?

To hold hearings?

To publicize failures and expose issues and dangers in the world?

That you would allow Bush's inadequacies to justify the failure of a Senator to do the job his constituents and then his own party and colleagues chose him to do...

That's just not terribly right, Warren.

Think about it.

I don't think the section on Rev Wright was necessary, but this is interesting nonetheless:

http://www.myspace.com/operation_independent

The section on why she will never vote for Obama mirrors my feelings almost exactly. He has remained silent why his supporters have been doing his dirty work for him. It goes way beyond anything that has come from Hillary's campaign.

Ruth, you can just refresh/reload the page and you will get to the updated posts.

Sorry Mag, but you're going to have to get used to a candidate with very distinct policy difference than a Republican. No more claiming that one is a "centrist" or "independent", two of the biggest crocks in politics. There are no "centrists" or "independents". When you ask people real questions, they give real answers. In our desperation for power, too many Democrats lost faith in our core principles. That's why Billary didn't understand that her Iraqi vote was going to hurt her. Billary were used to having it both ways, but meaning nothing. The electorate said no and now she's out. This is a new day, y'all.

9/11:

I think you should be holding hearings and exposing issues when you have a President who is willing to listen.

When a President has made quite clear that he will not back down - no matter what the voters or Congress say - I think pointing out failures simply provides fodder for our enemies and the media.

If I was in Congress - I would be trying to work the back channels with Bush - since he almost always does the complete opposite of what the Congress asks him to do publicly.

dog:

Explain to me the type of voter - that would not vote for Obama just because he names Hillary as his VP?

Warren: I do wonder about the idea of "new politics" ... what does it consist of? We are discussing millions of people, each with his/ her own separate ideas.
How do you sweetly reason with someone who feels that the absence of prayer in schools or the teaching of evolution is a mortal sin? How do you get people to recognize that cops sometimes gun down innocent citizens by mistake or because they just heard about a brother officer shot in the line of duty.
These issues ... and so many more ... are very real and emotional for many people. No matter how reasonable Sen Obama may be, the millions of people who vehemently disagree with his positions are not going to just agree to disagree silently.
And if you mean that Sen Obama might be willing to compromise on some of these social issues, then he will incur the wrath of his own party ... I believe Sen Kennedy is still smarting over Pres Clinton signing the welfare reform bill.

vad - like I said , the voters would come out on this lovely day in WV.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/13/us/politics/13cnd-democrats.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

warren,

Then all the hearings held which exposed Bush's failures and lies and Gonzalez were all for nothing.

I had no idea that naivete and nihilism were so closely related.

Live and learn.

Warren: dog: Explain to me the type of voter - that would not vote for Obama just because he names Hillary as his VP?

What?

amie: I am really tired of people here dumping on all Obama supporters, just as you are sick of perceived insults at Hillary.

It's not fair and complaining about all Obama supporters makes you look whacko.

Posted by: dog hussein dog | May 13, 2008 12:29 PM

Dog, you are correct that we shouldn't be dumping on the Obama supporters, but the insults at Hillary and her supporters aren't just "perceived". The attacks are relentless, mean-spirited and divisive... No I don't mean just in this blog (we are all trying to get along) but on the MSM as well. We've witnessed the coronation of Barack Obama declared from the day the Iowa caucus results were announced. With 50 some states that would offend anyone's sensibilities, except those of the candidate already proclaimed the winner.

When I read things from Skylark, "bye bye', Nash, I just want to vote for someone other than Obama! I have my resolve for unity, standing together as Democrats and someone shoves in the knife and twists and I am ready to "fall off the wagon" as it were. I think both our sides are fighting too much. But if this is a microcism of the voting public, I am worried that many Hillary supporters will indeed make good on their threats to not support Obama.

If I were an Obama supporter, I'd think smart and stop the continuous demonizing of Hillary and her supporters. It's just prudent politics, and frankly it is an example of the "new politics" that Obama is supposed to be about.

warren,

Plus... your view completely certifies and supports Bush's stripping of Congress of so much of its Constitutional powers.

And all that matters are the political promises of one presidential candidate or another.

Sheesh.

"Sen. Obama is drawing the moderates and Blue Dogs. And GOP and independents."

Hey
Hello
Anybody home?

Obama
Polling 25% in WV
You know the home of moderates, bluedogs, independents.

To repeat myself.
Obama voters:
"but all I see are a lot of AAs voting with their hearts
and a lot of Naderites voting their anger.
The rest is made up of college students that fall in and out of love with the next georgeous babe or hunk that walk by"

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

pugnacious,

How dare you.

WV is the home of STUMPJUMPERS!!!!!!!!

I stand up when I say that, sir.

Well it's a lovely day to attack the relentless growth of fescue in the Spring in WV. Have fun y'all.

Jamie, regarding write in candidates in Washington State...

Unless it has changed, you can just write in the name and office at the top of the ballot... There are lines for that.

o
Tried refreshing many times but it won't work.It is probably aol.My son tells me it is too controlling.I have seen other posts on this blog that seem to have the same problem.Craig's tech people have checked it out but can't find the problem so I will just continue to post single letters as it doesn't take up much space and most of you know by now why I do
Ruth

before I leave - thanks, dog (although your post was in defense of Ruth).

Thanks for the explanation, Ruth.

Now I am wondering what wag told me you were putting up an online bingo game....

mags:

Read The Audacity of Hope. It is a good read - even if Obama was not running for President.

And this idea of "new politics" is much more modest than what has been portrayed in the media and by the GOP. They want to raise people's fears and portray Obama as some "pie in the sky" kook. He is not. And what he is talking about is very practical.

I would be happy to discuss it in detail later - but i am kinda tied up right now.

this old country hick just went out and picked some rhubarb to make a pie for the hoedown
Ruth

this old country hick just went out and picked some rhubarb to make a pie for the hoedown
Ruth

Fox already has exit polls listed on bottom of screen.

Ruth, oh yummy.
Let us know when to show up.

Hey pogo - just saw your repost. I do not go around calling me racists - except my posts re: the (nuanced) point that we are all "racists" to a certain degree or another.

That is what makes the race card so easy to play.

pugnacious,

Newsweek has just published a Joe Miller (from factcheck.org) article poleaxing "The Budget According to John McCain (Part 1)".

http://www.newsweek.com/id/136779

"I do not go around calling [people] racists ..."

sorry about double post

West Virginia Exit Polling data:
63% say Hillary honest
68% say Hillary More Qualified To Be President Than messiah Obama
I rest My Case!
Good Night Obama Supporters☺

--Heather

Heather: did they poll with the "messiah Obama" phrase?

warren,

Please put the book down. Please.

You keep justifying his record -- some of which is good, some of which is quite good, some of which is made of disturbing errors of commission and of omission.

I cannot recall your once having been critical of choices he has made or has evaded.

You went so far today as to defend his notable failure to hold hearings on European Affairs with a George Bush based justifcation. ("Don't worry dude -- woulda been worthless -- the dude is FUCKED.")

Can you put down the book -- which is a piece of adroit marketing -- and look at what might be ahead for the nation --

Not based on his blend of personal history and mythology...

But on his acts whether good, not so good or bad.

Optimism ain't smart, warren. Not everything is for the best in this best of all possible worlds --

Particularly when you just wrote off a major duty of a Senator and the Senate because Bush wouldn't listen.

Heather:

You could rest your case if WV was the only state that voted in the general election.

Let's not forget about the blow outs in SC, GA, VA, MD, MN, CO, etc.

I can't remember the last time Clinton enjoyed a real blowout. So have your fun tonight.

dog hussein dog:

I reserve the right to use poetic license☺

--Heather

I'm out of here for tonight. My computer at home doesn't like this place for some reason, won't let me sign in or either post without signing in. I guess I'll go celebrate with the Marshans or someplace else. You all have fun.

"When you ask people real questions, they give real answers. In our desperation for power, too many Democrats lost faith in our core principles"

Bye Bye

Often the difference between a leftist and a centrist is a matter of method not belief. Centrists often view leftists as being all pie in the sky ideals with little practical achievements. Centrists tend to be sleeves up types, let's get it done rather than sweet slogans doomed to failure.

What you Obama supporters need sorry about is the blowout McCain will give Obama in the general because your sainted Obama cannot relate to everyday workers and women and people are too intelligent to believe he cares about veterans he's a radical left wing moveon.org mentality they have precious little love for vets except to use them as fodder for elections the only demographics Obama appeals to are African Americans and the starbucks latte guzzling barefoot balding hippies that burned draft cards desecrated the flag, the police, parents tuned out and turned on to drugs wow he appeals to freak-a-zoids wow great demographics

--Heather

Give me a freaking break 9/11.

Pardon me for not seeing the benefit for a bunch of Congressman sitting around listening to a bunch of information they should already know in the first place.

And yes - I do think a scathing report that simply points out the flaws of the other side is worthless unless someone is willing to act on the information.

However, you seem quite fond of critizing others - and like some others on this board - you think criticism is an end in itself.

Obama has put forward "ideas" and "solutions" to move forward with respect to Foreign Policy. And every suggestion he has made that broke with conventional wisdom - has been spot on. And they are usually positions that I have either thought myself - or heard Foreign Policy experts - outside of Washington - make time and time again.

Optimism is smart. Especially realistic optimism.

It ain't hard to sit around being cynical saying "things will never change". So why don't you just keep doing that - and the rest of us will take over.

Gallup Daily. Obama maintains lead but Clinton gains a point.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107248/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Maintains-Democratic-Lead-50-44.aspx

Obama about to speak:

GLOAT BLOAT

What you Obama supporters need sorry about is the blowout McCain will give Obama in the general because your sainted Obama cannot relate to everyday workers and women and people are too intelligent to believe he cares about veterans he's a radical left wing moveon.org mentality they have precious little love for vets except to use them as fodder for elections the only demographics Obama appeals to are African Americans and the starbucks latte guzzling barefoot balding hippies that burned draft cards desecrated the flag, the police, parents tuned out and turned on to drugs wow he appeals to freak-a-zoids wow great demographics

--Heather

Posted by: Heather | May 13, 2008 5:58 PM

I don't care if you are hateful and snotty and probably just a little too jealous because you sound like it for sure.

But Please, Please! Use some punctuation so that those of us that read your crap can digest it in a reasonable manner instead of fighting it all the time. Start using that "Sainted Degree".

*Hillary**Hillary**Hillary**Hillary**Hillary*
*Hillary**Hillary**Hillary**Hillary**Hillary*
*Hillary**Hillary**Hillary**Hillary**Hillary*
*Hillary**Hillary**Hillary**Hillary**Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"only demographics Obama appeals to are African Americans and the starbucks latte guzzling barefoot balding hippies that burned draft cards desecrated the flag, the police, parents tuned out and turned on to drugs"- Heather

What a load of crap from an obviously rancorous person.

Heather:

if you are on drugs, please be careful not to step on the Yorkies.

Cheers,
dog
looking out for your pups

This is a real Aljeezera report but when you first hear about it you think it is something Gordo or Max would post

Gaza's Obama campaign
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21YF7ggCG6g

Palestinians blogging for Obama

So which one of you Obama supporters are really Palestinian trying to influence our election.
Is it Warren?,
Nash?.
I bet

its Bye Bye and Dog Hussien dog

LOL

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

the only demographics Obama appeals to are African Americans and the starbucks latte guzzling barefoot balding hippies that burned draft cards desecrated the flag, the police, parents tuned out and turned on to drugs wow he appeals to freak-a-zoids wow great demographics
--Heather

you forgot the college kids! otherwise, you pretty much got them all.

Utah thanks you for characterizing them as freakazoids.

North Dakota too.

9/11

That is the problem with all of them

None of their numbers add up

Obama
Tells us he is going to pay for everything with money saved from ending the Iraq war.
He doesn't mention that it is going to take all of that money and more just to repair the damage that jr has caused.

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

pug:

Are you some kind of radical millitant homosexual? What's your problem with a "straight ticket"?

Are you a straight-ist?

(not that there would be anything wrong with a non-straight ticket . . . for you you Seinfeld fans ; )

Well, typekey told me that the link was an invalid one - guess they meant this one. All you people with typekey id's - wonder if this will get you, too. I think they don't know what they are doing and have decided to ignore the situation. Hmmmmmmm.

Sheila,
I don't think Heather letting off steam can be called hateful and snotty. Talk like that, Sheila, is designed to encourage people not to express what theire feelings. No one should feel censored here.

Well he just proved he has no understanding of the current economics of the US (or his too rich advisors forgot about).

Half of the families in the US have an income of 49,000 a year or less. More than half of those pay absolutely no taxes. Giving them a tax cut will do nothing to assist them in any way.

Even more important, it is cheaper to allow people to live in subsidized poverty than it is to put them to work even at things such as the old WPA that would benefit the country's infrastructure or the WWII subsidized child care than makes work possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States

Because of all the money we have piled on to the debt, there is no more to borrow to pay for the rebuilding. Pie in the Sky Naivete ... he needs someone who understands the economy on the ticket, because he doesn't.

Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun:
Chill out hun you need more fiber in your diet

The reason i don't cap the "S" in sainted is because he is not an officially canonized saint in the Catholic tradition.

Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun it is too bad you do not have the intellectual capacity to figure that out!

--Heather!

Meg: it's one thing to express one's feelings and another to have to wade through a septic tank.

Sheila is not censoring anyone. But a higher level of discourse is appreciated.

pug:

And McCain says he is going to pay with everything by cutting earmarks. I am all for cutting earmarks - but that is not going to be enough.

Keeping the Bush tax cuts for people that do need a tax cut - and were not even asking for one - will wipe out billions that could be put to work.

And yes - drawing down troops from Iraq will mean that will can cut some of the billions and billions being spent OVER there (i.e., not here). And even if that only stops us from borrowing money, which increases the deficit and drives down the value of the dollar (which in turn means it costs more dollars to buy a barrell of oil) - that is a hell of a lot more than McCain is proposing.

Are you some kind of radical millitant homosexual?
warren

More criticism designed to discourage people from expressing their views.

Meg:

It was designed to perhaps make a few people chuckle. Don't you Republicans have a sense of humor?

Bethyboo

Go here https://www.typekey.com/t/typekey/register?lang=en-us

Create an identity.
Come back here and use the "sign in" on the left
It will tell you it wants your email.
Say yes
Put check in "remember me"

You should end up with a little blue key and never need to sign in again.

warren,

That is the role of a Senator.

That is the role of a committee or sub-committee chairman.

Obama didn't have to become an elected Senator if he didn't like what the job obligated him to do.

So if all of this was too conventional for Barack... why didn't he decline to run for Senate?

Why didn't he decline that chairmanship?

Others could have used his office to do a great deal more than brand himself as a presidential candidate.

Others could have used that chairmanship to hold meaningful hearings.

I can tell you I know over forty diplomats, business executives, financial leaders, religious leaders and NGO administrators who were so damn eager to appear before a committee to publicize what they were directly experiencing in their dealings with the Kremlin, the gas and oil industries, Iran, former Soviet states, etc.

I heard over the weekend from my dear friend Yussi who told me about a local head of a Russian Federation regional Hillel (which Yussi founded) who was nearly beaten to death by a dozen Russians aided and abetted by two policemen.

It's far from the first time I have heard this. And now the Times has reported on how entrenched this policy has become and how well it is used by Putin to increase his power and popularity.

Now as for this potential war with Georgia...

No one knew what was about to happen with Georgia in the media, warren.

Don't you know how little time is spent in the media on international affairs?

Haven't you read how many foreign affairs staffs have been cut, moved elsewhere or eliminated?

Given the importance of these actions to both Eastern and Western Europe and the lack of response by the White House, hearings needed to be held.

However, I was told that this was coming and where it would take place on the map to the sliver of a disputed region by eight people two months ago.

I wrote letters to my representatives. I wrote the White House. I wrote to a lot of people and places.

So did others.

The Bush adminstration was not interested.

So everyone should just shut up?

So hearings don't matter?

Warren, you should meet Henry Waxman.

If anyone is the cynic here... it is you about government and its functions.

If you were around during Watergate... would you have not investigated the President because he would not have listened?

As for "conventional wisdom"....

That is a broad stroke of dull paint.

You're a talented writer: you can do better with your terms.

Please let me explain to you the first definition of a word you adore as I was taught it.

Optimism means to believe that every action, every inaction, every thought, every cruelty, everything destroyed is for the best.

Do you truly believe that everything is for the best?

Why don't you just use the word "positive" instead?

Also, optimism cannot be blended intellectually with realism, warren.

No more than acids can be blended with bases.

But don't ask me.

Ask Voltaire.

Just so you know I have heard your remarks about conventional politics and thinking before.

But not from you.

Your vision of Obama's forsaking of conventional wisdom is troublingly resonant with the bright young right wing guys I used to meet down at Salmagundi at a friend's behest as they praised Governor Bush for his indifference to... conventional knowledge and practice.

All they wound up with was his... indifference to everything -- lives, truth, history, the Constitution.

Warren, I like and respect you.

I've told you that many times.

I am no cynic about you either.

But as you declared me to be one....

I will become personal in my information.

Divulging now in process...

Given what I have faced in my life and what I keep producing under really dire cirumstances... no cynic would survive this as it is ongoing and requires acts of faith.

Not of blind faith and not of faith in any particular outcome --

Just faith.

I have done a lot with my life that you have not yet -- and I make no claim on knowing how you would live it out.

I'd bet real money you would.

However, you tell me when you have been nominated for a couple of Pulitzers, shortlisted for a MacArthur and raised a kid who was abandoned and then nearly murdered -- then homeschooled her through almost six years of 14 to 21 day chemo cycles while she was sick and in pain.

None of that has made me a cynic.

A cynic wouldn't spend six hours a week in pediatric cancer wards raising spirits and sharing understandings.

A cynic wouldn't remain a volunteer school teacher for writing even when his own kid got shafted by the system.

And a cynic wouldn't answer you.

But you're worth answering.

As I wrote, I do like and respect you.

You're intelligent, passionate, diversified and full of life.

That means you're worth challenging.

You see, I challenge people the same as I challenge myself and let my collaborators, family and friends challenge me.

It ain't a bad life.

And it keeps a person from losing belief when something they bet their heart on turns out to be, well, just like a lot of other things that go down and rise and go down again.

You just learn to temper belief with history, observation and a different, more enduring form of commitment.

Meg: here's my view, carefully expressed.

Why don't YOU go somewhere else? You add very little to the discussion here, IMHO.

=========

Any bets on the point spread in West Virginia returns tonight? I've not been following, so over to you all for the punditting.

here is an apology from McCain's preaching supporter.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24599419

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Well,

When I lose it you know its been a nasty day. So I've been reading this blow out scornful nastiness that is also indirectly directed at ME. Do I have to read? NO.

So before skipping off to somewhere that is nicer. Meg and all, if you think that it is a pleasure to read all of your crap and then NOT react at some point, well you are wrong.

You all think you are being polite? This is a public place and you are over the top hateful. No wonder someone who used to be pretty nice and fair, NASH is over the top in his pay back.

no wonder this BYE BYE Billary is so over the top too. You really are lying to yorselves if you think that you sound nice and even tempered and logical. Why In all my days, I can't remember reading more propoganda designed to whip up support and that support being a bunch of angry hateful women and men who don't care about anything but revenge.

There. I believe I've burnt my last bridge now. I don't want to come here anymore. I've seen enough to last a life time. I am SO SORRY for you all. I pity you and hope that someday, you will find some healing.

I am so sorry this blog has turned into such a place that is VERY intoloerant of most people and that you can't allow others to be a part of this place, unless they are mad at Barack Obama and Want McCain.

As Anon-P would say, God Bless.

dog, I'll have to remember that. Calling someone hateful and snotty is a "higher level of discourse". You don't have to wade through any septic tanks you don't want to wade through. Just don't read the post.

9/11:

"That is the role of a Senator."

Well then it looks like Obama is more suited to be President.

Meg: did I mention that you are obtuse as well?

Why don't YOU go somewhere else?
Dog

You need to stop asking people to don't agree with you to leave. You're the one who doesn't want to wade thru the poo.
It doesn't bother me a bit.
Maybe you should leave you bully.

Relax Sheila. Take a break - but don't say syanora.

(Gots to take the good with the bad. And I would give the Hillary supporters a bit of slack. I am sure it is a lot harder on them because of what is going on with the nomination race right now.)

Meg: did I mention that you are obtuse as well?

Thanks Dog

9/11:

"That is the role of a Senator."

Well then it looks like Obama is more suited to be President.

Posted by: warren

My goodness, warren.

Harvard-Harvard Obama did not know all of this prior to being elected?

What does that mean, warren?

Does that mean Obama was so naive that when he was elected Senator he was the real life version of Jefferson Smith? He didn't know what the job was when he took the oath?

Or does that make him.... gasp... someone who used one of his state's two seats in the Senate to promote himself into another office instead of serving the people who elected him?

As what Obama would have then done would be to let the ends justify the means --

Which is the virtual kama sutra of cynicism.

Also...

What if he turns out to be the same about the Presidency that he is about the Senate?

Does what he wants to do? And only what he wants to do?

Very Bush league stuff if so.

But then again.... maybe your reading all of this as a Joseph Campbell journey...

And I'm parsing through it as, say, it was H.L. Mencken, Theodore Dreiser or Sinclair Lewis.

Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun:
Just has hatred for me, simply because I support Hillary, I never said anything "hateful or snotty: I have been very respectful and tolerant to many that were rude and intolerant towards me.

Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun, just tries to intimidate and insult people she disagrees with, then has the audacity to say "God Bless" now that is truly taking God's Holy Name in vain

Good post 9/11. And you might not be a cynic. But to tell ya the truth - I don't think cynics are jaded, stupid, bad people, etc. They often see truths that people are unwilling to admit.

I just think that they are not ALWAYS right.

(Some of my best friends are cynics - they keep me in check ; )

9/11

"they praised Governor Bush for his indifference to... conventional knowledge and practice."

At the core, this is my greatest objection to Sen. Obama. He seems way to much like the flip side of shrub ... Overconfidence without qualification controlled by others.

Heather: your post about freakazoids and hippies supporting Obama was insane.

You may have graduated from college, but you do not strike me as educated if you need to peddle that kind of cartoonish parodying.

I doubt Sheila hates you -- or that anyone here does -- but would suspect that a few of us pity you.

warren,

I just plain root for you in life.

Cynics stop caring. Cynics feel too wounded, too bled out, too filled with emotional, spiritual and physical keloids to stay open to possibilities.

It's always in the tempering, warren.

Then again as much as I love the first book of Don Quixote... I just plain love Tristram Shandy more.

I guess my ideals bounce around old Uncle Toby more than Cervantes.

One last post to say something to Heather.

I all my days, I can't say I have read something so imbalanced from anyone in my life. You make me afraid Heather. You make me understand what real life suffering and loneliness is like. My heart goes out to you.

I begin to doubt you in fact understand the total unbelieveable joy of God's Love. I pity you for that Heather. I feel so grateful I know what His love is like. I am praying for your healing.

Sigh. Good bye Renee, Jamie, pogo, 9/11. I'm sorry that this book is closed. Time to move on.

You may have graduated from college, but you do not strike me as educated if you need to peddle that kind of cartoonish parodying. dog hussein dog

The bully wants us all to leave.

Heather, aren't you relieve relieved that Sheila doesn't hate you?

and are you greatful for dogs pity?

Heather, tune into Fox for good news.

9/11

One of the reasons I love you ... We both must have been born somewhere around volume 3. : )

Chef Sheila: don't go away for good. But a brief respite is highly recommended!

Jamie,

And that's why you got Randy Radish!!!!

I love you, too.

And a moment's pause --

Sondheim will receive a Lifetime Achievement Award next month at the Tony Awards.

Now if only they'd give him at least one more lifetime to use it....

Last night , my department at work had a hole blow open in an oil pipe. I smelled smoke and then I looked at this wall about 25 yards from me and the whole wall was smoking. Not good. We evacuated the area for about an hour. The smoke traveled through our building. Som people were wearing masks over their mouths or covering up their mouths with their shirt collars because the smoke was so bad. 3 women were complaining about how bad the smoke was. They covered their mouths as they walked through the building. Then they went outside to smoke a few cigarettes. LOL!

9/11

I got the list of Tony nominations today. I like Whoopie, but would much rather have Jackman as host

She got it because of the same old fantasy... same as Rosie... same as Jackman...

They will bring in their TV or movie audience to watch.

Doesn't really happen (except once with Rosie).

However, the ATW is better run now than it has been for years. Which is really good.

I stand by what I said Bill Ayres And Dhorn were a part of The Weatherground, Reverend Wright preaches hate and bigotry, Rexko is a swindler, Randi Rhodes calls Hillary And Geraldine Ferraro a ****ing Whores and you want to tell me looney people are not part of his demographics, need I go chapter and verse of all the radicalism that moveon.org is involved in.

I stand by what I say and if Dog and Nun disagree fine it is their right but they will not censor me are muffle my freedom of speech understand this I SUPPORT HILLARY and will not back down now stay the course and continue the fight, onoward towards the convention!

--Heather

The Red Wings now ahead of Dallas 3-0. No team in the NHL has come back from a 3-0 deficit since 1975. In all sports , the last time a team blew a 3-0 series was when the Yankees blew it against the Red Sox a few years ago , right Renee? I told my Mom that I was gonna skip her birthday cookout to go see Obama in Grand Rapids tomorrow night. She thought I was serious. LOL! I saw Obama on tv tonight. I lost track of how many times he said the word "change" when he spoke. That would be a good drinking game. Take a drink every time Obama says the word "Change".

PS meat to type Rezko for all the punctuation critics

--Heather

Everyone really needs to lighten up, I'm afraid y'all are going to have coronaries before you even get the chance to vote in the general. Maybe everyone should turn on American Idol and watch that tonight.

American Idol is libel to give one a coronary that show is dreadful lol, I'll just watch the Yankees☺

--Heather

Sheila, didn't you say goodbye at 7 am today?? Just needed a fix.. huh?? OK .... now you can.

I don't think anybody watches American Idol anymore.

Hillary WINS!

Heather - nice to see you here. In the midst of finals both at work and at school so I only have time to read Craig's posts and browse the comments.

As I said to Craig last week , it's not about who supports who here. It's about the type of person people think you are. Craig agreed.

CLINTON wins West Virginia

Exit polls 69% to 30 % Whooooo Hooooo

She whipped his a*********************

Julie

Oh Lordy...as I always say, "No one ever really leaves the Trail Mix for good(how could they?)...once a C-Lister, always a C-lister...".

I do think, however, that someone needs to call this place for a "short-term" installation...

http://profiles.dexb2b.com/dynamic-door-service-inc

8~D

The clip below sums up why Hillary most likely won't be offered the VP slot and why, if offered, she should decline. I believe the smear campaign has simply gone too far and, no matter what she does, her motives will be subject to scrutiny and doubt.

Bob Herbert on MOJO:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24598363#24598363

So you want McInsane over Obama if Hillary don't get the nomination.

You want to know what's going on in Iraq since we were lied into a illegal War? You want to see the photos that never make the news here?

Well go ahead and take a long hard look. Imagine these are your children.

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2008/5/13/145859/617

This is what any Republican will give you.

God Bless.

Heather,

Bri-Bri has loonilicious, gory-geous Frankenstein bolts dripping blood tattooed on his knees...

And that's just for starters!

You're merely glamorous.

By the way, Heather... you wouldn't smoke pot or cigarettes around your dogs... would you?

The studies I've been reading show it's flat out lethal to do so.

Who would do such a thing?

Who would say that pot is not a drug?

Bri-Bri, The Mysogonist Guy...
Smokin' Doobies, Dissin' Boobies
'Cause his genes are XWHY...

Okay , Jamie. :)

Jennbe

"I don't think there would be this divide among Democratic voters if HRC had gotten out after BO's 12 consecutive wins"

You don't even want to imagine the sheer anger and bitterness that would have caused. She had done Sen. Obama a major favor by allowing her followers to concentrate on the ultimate goal of a Democratic president.

He has managed to move from NEVER!!! to IF WE HAVE TO YUCK

That is about the best he will get and a vote is a vote.

One of the black CNN commentators tossed off, "When was the last time a black man ran for President?". Now if anyone there knew history they might have mentioned that the last time a woman and a black man ran for President and VP It was Victoria Woodhull and Frederick Douglas in 1872

http://www.iupui.edu/~douglass/FD_Timeline.htm

Maybe this time we just reverse the ticket?

ROTFLMAO @ the pics on Heather's "Myspace" page!!

I feel so bad for the guy being held down by the stiletto heel...ouch!!

(I must say, I do like the shoes).

Craig, not sure if you're watchin' AI tonight, but the little David just blew that Billy Joel song out of the water.

Jamie, I understand where you are coming from but looking in from the outside isn't the big picture about getting a Democrat in the office for the Democrats?

That was Lush.

Clinton supporters:

Enjoy Hillary's great victory tonight, but, don't gloat like some of the usual suspects on this blog.

We still have a big fight to win the nomination. Fortunately, we have Hillary Clinton to lead the way.

Enjoy tonight and get up in the morning to fight for Hillary.

Ignore posters who are knotheads!

NEW THREAD

"What you Obama supporters need sorry about is the blowout McCain will give Obama in the general because your sainted Obama cannot relate to everyday workers and women and people are too intelligent to believe he cares about veterans he's a radical left wing moveon.org mentality they have precious little love for vets except to use them as fodder for elections the only demographics Obama appeals to are African Americans and the starbucks latte guzzling barefoot balding hippies that burned draft cards desecrated the flag, the police, parents tuned out and turned on to drugs wow he appeals to freak-a-zoids wow great demographics

--Heather"

I'm sorry Heather but what part of everyday workers and intelligent women post those types of photos on there social networking sites? Didn't you mention that you had a daughter on your blog? I think with that type of stuff you totally undercut any point you try to make in your posts.

Excellent, memorable, widely read post by a Barack supporter at Daily Kos named dawnt about something which has been discussed and fought over here ad nauseum...

"Is West Virginia Welcome in Your Democratic Party?"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/12/114237/630/544/513035

Heather .. I support you and your strong voice for Hillary.. now it's time to think write-in vote..

I have been very troubled by the lack of DNC and Party elder support for Hillary particularly when she runs stronger against McCain in the electoral college.. troubled by the Obama camp trashing the Clinton presidency and labeling Bill as a racist.. troubled by the vast network that Obama seemed to build when the cost is so prohibitive.. even for him$$.. troubled by the fact that delegates were switching only one way to BO.

The only one with that much power is Howard Dean. He ran for DNC chair with massive Clinton opposition.. After he won..he decided to highjack the Party. He went down South to open offices and outposts.. then went West to do the same. He needed a candidate that would mobilize the Southern vote to snag an electoral college state or two for his “new” electoral map and new paradigm of Dem voter. He sold out the working class rust belt Dem, as too unreliable. He figured the women would come like lemmings after the convention. He hand picked Obama and then lent his network, his Deanics and massive internet base from his own run for Pres., and he probably strong armed a delegate or two to support BO by mentioning that they would get an opponent. Obama has had the power of the establishment behind him. not Hillary

What Dean didn’t count on was the ferocious and loyal support Hillary would get and keep. So now it our turn to take back our Party. KENNEDY, KERRY, RICHARDSON ET AL…. CAN STUFF IT

REVOLT!!

Write in Hillary.. vote Dem down ticket for a veto proof Congress. And stop the party hats from going ‘round

NEW THREAD

Meg..Yes. mail in election.l.

But..about 40% are hand delivered on the Monday and Tuesday of the election..Even more on the days earlier.

Many are the late deciders who usually go with Hillary.

I won't pretend Obama doesn't have the lead here,,but we are energized and will back Hillary through the convention if necessary.

Pollsters don't understand the impact of Bill Clinton here..very popular and he has been everywhere in the sstate.

To All you morons:
I will say this once: I HAVE NO MYSPACE PAGE WHATEVER HACKER OR OBAMA SUPPORTER DID THIS TO TRY TO INTIMIDATE IT WONT' WORK.

--Heather