Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Good morning...

I may stop by and see you tomorrow Craig.

God Bless.

I voted for Bill twice and I feel I have a right to call him out on the way he has campaigned for Hillary.

When he goes out to areas with very few AA's to campaign for his wife while not campaigning in areas with AA's since they figure were not getting there vote anyway and writing them off completely says a lot about the Clintons.

I don't know if there racists or not, but they sure aren't trying very hard for the AA vote. When they constantly say like many here about Obama, Why can't he get the White Vote I say back how come Hillary can't get the AA vote?

There sure not trying very hard too now are they?

Anyway I'm done with all this garbage, everyone vote for who you want to which is what your going to do anyway.

At least I haven't called Hillary a secret Muslim, a bad parent, a Manchurian Candidate, a Communist or any other of the many names the Hillary supporters have called Obama.

That's it for me. Have a good day.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/05/superdelegates-can-end-this-no.html#comment-78867

Jason...

This is for you.

"Well before I hit the sack I want to address a couple comments I read above. There for no particular commenter, but just a few thoughts about them.

First if any of you are going to switch parties and become an Independent remember this.

Once you become an Independent unless you live in a state that has open primaries you will lose the right to vote for a candidate you support whether there Republican or Democrat.

If the candidate you support loses the nomination for that parties primary you will only be able to support the choices on the ballot in the General Election and you may not like the choices being offered.

So before you switch parties make sure you can live with your choice because you will have no say in who will be on the ticket in the General."

I left this late last night. Remember you can not now vote in your state's primaries for any state local elections either unless your state holds open primaries or you re register so you can chose who you want representing you in your county or district.

I know since I don't get to chose who is running for office in my county or district until the regular election is run since I live in a closed primary state.

God Bless.

AP - et all... Good Morning.

CRAIG - maybe an interesting CQ would be the actual history of Clinton impact on the Presidential elections and how many times did Clinton get majority vote or help one get majority vote?

Fact is the Clinton record is not the good.

So maybe BHO is the most electable, However what is waiting around the corner?

Looks like the Orlando gang is first up (Orlando Gang = AP, Ping and proxy Craig)

Yall have a good day - and remember those that are true centrist, Hold BHO accountable to all of those issues you have been factually reporting. Do not let go of your Bush hate, But do not attach this to McCain. Fact is he is closer to a Dem then many Dem's - if you look at the left wing impact that will some day collapse the Dems as the right wing did to the Reps

McCain Romney 08

Ping Pong
Orlando? What's up with the commuter rail program
How can you sit by and let all that planning and money
go to waste.

Ping Pong
Orlando? What's up with the commuter rail program
How can you sit by and let all that planning and money
go to waste.

AP,

I must say, a very civil post!

Thanks for that man! Really...I mean it.

But unfortunately I have to say this. I am doing it for the better of the party and for my own well beig. If I am not able to vote....So Be It!

I refuse, and let me repeat it: I REFUSE to be represented by a group of morons (excuse my french) who just have no feeling of being a leader, yet stick to the estbalishment and wait for things to blow over.
never take rsponsibility for whatever, and the take pride when someone within the party makes headway nationally. Leaders never wait for dust to settle, they find ways to counter or to restraint

I also do not agree with the way Mr Obama is carrying this election.
Being an independent is not so much a choice, but an obligation, taking a stand prove a point.
if that means I cannot vote in the GE, so be it!
But, I cannot live with myself being tied to a party that continuously has shown lack of leadership and vows only on prestige. Furthermore as an AA I am appalled by the way my fellow AA is committing himself out of his way to get nominated and thefore forgets what he initally promised the country......

I have some words for HRC also, but they pale very much in contrast to BO and DNC

So, being an independent is my stance and I intend on being that as long as leadership has not changed within the party.

Lynn C...

I believe it had to do with the cap on damages if you and a loved one are injured or even killed because of problems with the tracks it would be using.

There blaming the trial lawyers for this since they are unwilling to give CSX I believe who owns the tracks immunity for any accidents even if its due to a fault of negligence on there part.

I only heard a little on the radio so I'm not fully aware of all the other issues there also were.

Back to work.

God Bless.

If enough people were to become independents, they could form the Independent Party......

Jason...

You misunderstood what I said. You can vote in the General, just not in the Primaries to chose the candidate whom you can vote for once the General voting is done.

Also read my whole comment on the last thread. Its around 12pm I believe.

I can not vote for any city nominees who decides city issues or county until the General state election date. The General Election this year is a National Election and I had no right to vote for either Obama or Hillary for the Party Nominee to be on the General ballot in November.

I still feel that there may not be elections if the monkey in the peoples house takes us to war in Iran.

Got to go back to work now, just wanted to clarify what I said.

God Bless.

sturgeone...

There is a Independent Party though I don't know if they slated anyone for the General or not.

God Bless.

if this happens in MI what do they do with the popular vote there. Also based on the votes is this fair based on how many votes Hillary received and I guess the Uncommited going to Obama.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/08/michigan-democrats-settle-on-69-59-delegate-seating-plan/

rats.......thought i had a good joke for a second there.....

Jason -- As an IND you don' t have to give up your vote int he GE. You might give p your vote in the primary -- depending on the state laws of your residency. Do you vote with DEMs abroad?

That Michigan Plan Works for me and my Thanks to my favorite senator, Carl Levin for being so fair. He was listening to me too.

Ok AP
Thanks for the clarification.

Alicia,
I am voting abroad. Am hailing from Fla.

Can't make it up Dept. from Wiki

The American Independent Party is a California political party. The party was established in 1967 by Bill Shearer and his wife Eileen. In 1968, the American Independent Party nominated former Alabama Governor George C. Wallace as its presidential candidate and retired Air Force General Curtis E. LeMay (who replaced former Georgia Governor Marvin Griffin on the ticket) as the vice presidential candidate. Wallace ran on every state ballot in the 1968 U.S. Presidential Election, although in some states it was too late to replace Griffin's name with LeMay, and, consequently, in some places the former Georgia governor remained on the ballot in the second spot. Wallace did not represent the American Independent Party in all fifty states. In Connecticut, for instance, he was listed on the ballot as representing the "George Wallace Party." The 1968 presidential ticket received 13.5 percent of the popular vote and 46 electoral votes. The party opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and welfare programs.

Last night on Larry King they had on three superdelegates that have not made up their minds yet. One was from MI and she said she won't commit until something is done with their delegates, they had another one from FL and he pretty much said the same thing. The third one was Nancy Pelosi's daughter who is from Calif. She was interesting. She said back when Calif held it's primary she would vote for the candidate that the majority of the people wanted and she is still commited to that today. So John King (the map guy) who was subbing for Larry asked her did she mean the popular vote and she said no the delegate vote the way the system was set up. I bet back in 2000 when Gore won the popular vote and the electoral college changed that she was not pleased before the supreme court stepped in. So why now would she vote the same way. Again the Supers are suppose to vote for the person who they think has the best chance of winning. The Hill newspaper asked 42 uncommited supers and 38 said they would vote for the person they thought had the best chance and 4 said they would vote for the person that won their district.

Political PunchFormer President Jimmy Carter told Jay Leno on "The Tonight Show" today that the Michigan and Florida Democratic primaries should not count since the two ...

Hamas elections he is happy to recognize.

if we're going to recognise the election of W then i would suppose we'd also have to do that for the election of hamas, eh?

Jason...

Florida is a closed Primary. Only Dem's and Repug's can vote in there Primaries. Independents can vote in the General.

God Bless.

Hillary as head of a third-party independent candidacy if the Democratic Party doesn't show her, Fla & MI some respect.

John Hogue...

I said the same thing about Obama in my comment last night around 12pm and gave my reasons why.

Back to work.

God Bless.

if we're going to recognise the election of W then i would suppose we'd also have to do that for the election of hamas, eh?

Are you saying W is a terrorist? :)

In California "Independent" is called "Decline To State". They keep changing the rules about how the "declines' can participate in the primaries, so check with the Dept of Elections.

Hillary & Lieberman as Third-Party Candidates: Gender Votes, Jewish Votes, Conservative Votes, Blue-Collar votes, Patriotism Votes, etc.

waiting to see Craig on MSNBC...

It takes brains to survive as a terrorist. That leaves out GWB.

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

Yay! Craig's on MSNBC right now. Taking on Mika .

Friends don't let friends vote Republican

http://www.cafepress.com/buy/friends+don't+let+friends+vote+republican

let us know what he says since some of us can't see it

John Hogue -- Hillary/Lieberman doesn't inspire me. He would be a drag on her.

would number of deaths caused per year be part of the equation?

are YOU calling W a terrorist?

All the "punditry" keep floating the VP balloon for Sen. Clinton and I can't see her really wanting it or Sen. Obama really wanting her.

I'm not sure if she would be interested, but a real fit would be the first appointment to the Supreme Court. As a sitting senator she would be an almost certain shoo in for confirmation. Lots of prestige and a life time job that would keep her out of the 2012 election.

ok that was too short..i'll just keep it on MSNBC today....sure you will be back..always like to hear your critique on the latest...

Craig was asked about the idea that Hillary is staying in to get Obama to pay her campaign debt. He said she didn't need that -- might be bigger stakes like running mate. He also mentioned that the Clintons did help pay the debts of their opponents in 1992.

W has certainly terrorized me

elections the subject was........I'm not sure, of course, but i think hamas actually won their election.........and they didnt even have Kathrine Harris to help them over the rough spots.......much less a 5-4 supreme court.......

"Hillary & Lieberman as Third-Party Candidates: Gender Votes, Jewish Votes, Conservative Votes, Blue-Collar votes, Patriotism Votes, etc."

Hey
If we are into fantasy , then I vote for
McCain / Clinton 2008

Just for the fireworks

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

Craig, it's really helps when you list on your blog ahead of time that you'll be on TV. I hate finding out later I missed seeing you.
Saw a clip from John Stewart last night where he joked with McCain that he should run Hillary as his VP. I actually thought it would be a winning ticket (if Hillary doesn't get the nomination).
Just wishful thinking, I know. But really want to see that woman in office. Think the nation needs her.

pugnacious, must have been thinking from the same mind pool at 9:28am. Love your ideas!

If you are not a yellow dog Democrat
be a clothespin Democrat.

Remember a split ticket doesn't help with the Supremes

looks like Hillary is out in WVa this morning going forward and looking great as usual...talking about getting the women out to vote..she has a big lead and also in Kentucky..so i hope all women and men will get out and vote for Hillary and put her over the top in popular vote

watched e. edwards and then mika came on with a superdelegate......he says we'll know in a couple of weeks

Mika: Couple of WEEKS??? Couple of WEEKS???

what a jerkette.

If Obama is the Democratic nominee, we will have a GOP President McCain. If by some fluke Obama wins the WH, nothing will change -- in fact he will deal away everything we have in the name of "Unity." Look how he supported a regressive tax like the gas tax! Liberals are supposed to be against regressive taxes. A President Obama will serve one term and lead to 16 years to follow of GOP domination. We'll also lose the Congress in the process.

I would be thrilled if my predictions are wrong, but I'm afraid not. We democrats are so used to screwing ourselves.

Hey

nogrudge, Great minds and all that;-)

I've played too much.
A banker wants my budget so I need to pull some numbers together.

work to be done and payroll to meet
So its miles to go before I sleep

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

So Alicia,

Instead of making such a dreadful prediction that leads others to think you are an expert, why don't you back it up with documented fact.

I would do no less if I were to make such a negative statement about your candidate.

And I insist that your documentation do not include personal writings from blogs.

Jason, slide over. I want a seat on the independent bench as well. And, I guess I'll have to turn in my yellow dog card and cancel my monthly stipends.

I've sent Mrs Clinton close to a thousand bucks this cycle. And I'll help her retire her campaign debt after the campaign is over; she was in my corner, and I'll be in hers.

Loyalty counts.

Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun | May 8, 2008 9:45 AM

Alicia offered her opinion something you do often and with no documentaion.

do we need documented facts to support opinions now?
If we did......the "audacity of hope" would be in a heap o' trouble.......

I see far too many predictions here on both sides but opinions are just that and no more, I would imagine.

Women intuition. It's a scientific fact. Why not?

Clinton can't win. So what's her game? Does she want something from Obama (help with her debt, VP, supreme court, etc)?

I think she's already running for 2012, on the assumption that Obama will lose. She will get out of the race when she feels she has positioned herself properly.

A few more primary wins would be nice, followed by a graceful exit with everyone (even Obama) praising her.

Flatus, as always, well put.
I'll do the same for Hillary.
Loyalty is under rated.

Sheila, a prediction need not be supported. A forecast, on the other hand, should be supported if it is credible.

FWIW, I predict Alicia may be quite right. Matter of fact I forecast she might be right based on the Clinton first term and its aftermath. It was only through his force of personality, and some good recovery-politicking that he managed to stay for a second term.

Good call, Alicia.

Ok you Guys,

I get it. If I take exception to a particularly hard opinion and want to publically take exception I am not allowed and you guys imply that I am wrong and also imply that I am a bad person.

But you can call (on average about twice a day) Obama a liar, imply that he is stupid, dishonest, a race baiter, and whatever else you want to say.

Its accepted and I or anyone else cannot question it.

You all can question whether or not I am a good person because I don't enjoy these doom and gloom fantasies about Obama?

I guess its not time to come back yet Craig?

I'll see after the GE. See you all if your here, I will be.

nash said:
Clinton can't win. So what's her game? Does she want something from Obama (help with her debt, VP, supreme court, etc)?

Nash.......quitters never win and winners never quit.

Winning isnt the best thing.....it's the only thing.

--vince lombardi

or something like that.

Clinton will NOT accept VP under Obama.
* If he loses, she'll share the blame and won't be the party's choice for 2012.
* If he wins, she gets stuck in the VP slot for either 4 or 8 years with little of no chance of ever becoming President. GHW Bush was one of the very few who have done that.
* With the exception of Cheney, most VPs hate the job. You can only do what the President allows you to do, which, most of the time, is nothing at all.

http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/do-you-believe-in-magic/

Obama, of course, vetoed, stalled and squirmed his way out of permitting a re-vote in MI and FLA back when there was time to do so. Not only did he fear a repeat of Clinton’s victories, he also feared the daunting task of securing 2209 delegates, rather than a mere 2025.

Obama cannot win unless Clinton drops out

sheila.....I dont think there were any of the implications you listed......."bad person" etc......

you question another's opinion with your own, that's all.....the points above were only that opinions are just that ................opinions, which are all roughly comparable in worth to your own which you are most welcome to have, eh?
Nobody took exception to your taking exception....it's just that you asked for links and hard facts to support an opinion.

sturgeone: The Clintons are very sharp politicans. They can do the math, they can sense the way the wind is blowing. It's not simply a matter of "toughness."

If she drags this out to the convention there will be so much ill will toward her, she'd never have a shot at 2012, because if Obama loses, she would be blamed.

because if Obama loses, she would be blamed.

Posted by: nash | May 8, 2008 10:08 AM

memememememe

One that you have been promoting
If Obama loses the fault will be his and yours.

nash.....is that your considered opinion?

oh and one of obama's most effective supporters in here, Warren, offers opinion the whole time he's here as if it were fact......that's ok.... he gets questioned on it a lot.....

ok.......maybe not the WHOLE time..........

Sheila is a good person.
We mustn't make this personal.
Sheila, we respect your loyalty and hope you respect ours.
One thing about opinions. Everyone has one.

I think Hillary will stay in the race through until the last primaries on June 3. A few days later, she'll gracefully concede. All the party leaders will praise her.

She'll get a nice prime time speech time slot at the convention and give a rousing speech that will cause most of her enemies within the party to forgive her.

Then she'll just sit back and wait for Obama to lose. She'll go through the motions of campaigning for him, of course. But I think she really believes he has no chance.

Nash......no it's not a matter of toughness.....it's a matter of winning......now and in 08.......and in the opinion of many hillary supporters she should not quit until she has actually really genuinely absolutely......Lost.

How embarrassing will it be for Obama to suffer huge defeats in WV, KY and PR? It will illustrate Obama's demographic weakness and "he still can't close the deal".

Copied from a Newsweek:

***** THIS JUST IN *****

Hillary may have a chance after all, for 2 reasons.

1) Reports say Bill Clinton is rumored to be wooing Obama to secretly marry him, thereby guaranteeing that Obama’s candidacy will finally sink like a stone.

2) According to Hillary and Bill (who else?), the race has only just begun, because the number of delegates needed for the nomination is not 2025, and it is not 2209. In fact, the real number is 37,378.

These news items were relayed to Earth by a deep space probe which also sent back photographic proof that the Clintons had moved the goal posts to the 9th moon of Jupiter.

sturgeone: I have opinions but I would hesitate to call them "considered." But why should I be held to a higher standard?

If Obama loses, everyone will blame everyone. That is the nature of the beast. There will be books written, and opinions,and documentaries published out the waH zoo <--- technical term. : )

The agony of defeat, A bitter pill to swallow, Clinging to a dream, The Typical White Democrat, Shame on you MSM, Wright turn at Denver, Yes we can, can't we? ect.

oops IMO

Karl Rove
"I really like Barry O'Bama's math"

nash.......lol...........we dont have to show you no stinkin' higher standards........

the democratic party has the most undemocratic system in primaries.........i changed to independent in 1984 when they put mondale up and voted republican when they put dukakis up......i voted for clinton twice and gore but passed and didnt vote in 2004 because kerry was a wimp....this election has shown the idiocy of the democrat party proportional distribution of delagates AA votes equal 1 1/2 votes to 1 vote for delagate counting ....5 states break the rules only 2 get penalized......iowa and NH dictate when primaries can start and neither one voted for gore which would have made him president and they both leaen red .......i could go on but most of you know what idiots the DNC are.......as isaid i only voted republican once in 1988,,,,,,,,but this year i will not vote for obama.....not because of race but because he is a phony and a con artist and i wont vote for someone the media has tried to shove down my throat

sturgeone: According to your logic, she shouldn't EVER quit. If the convention picks Obama, she should say that she was unfairly denied the nomination, and run as an independent.

That would be "tough." (And it would be political suicide.)

Knowing when to quit is a good survival strategy. To quote from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" ..."Run away!"

A friend just called in with a different idea for a McCain running mate -- what about Christine Todd Whitman? Howard Stern endorsed her.

tz, RIGHT ON!
I especially agree with your last line.
Go tz!

no.....I said she should run until she has lost....that would be when barack wins. that will be time enough.

nash, why so afraid of Hillary?
Let her finish this out.
She will never skip out on her party.
She will not run as an independent.
She's too loyal. She's worked for the Democrats all her life.
Giver her a break.

On TV last night, can't remember what show, someone was mentioning how Hillary has "true grit"......That is exactly what I see as missing in Obama. I believe many will not vote for Obama for several reasons, each personal to their own respective opinion. Which btw, does not need to be proven or scrutinizes as it is each Americans right to vote as they like if they like. Pretty simple stuff..

Once Hillary is out , I think my interest level may diminish. The debates may prove to be somewhat interesting. But unless there are some changes in their stumps, I just see a major snore heading our way.

and hillary and bill are democrats......they wont go independent........nor should they.......

me too.

Christine Todd Whitman

Great idea for the Republicans especially if the candiates are trying to distance themselves from Bush.

ok....winners never quit etc......that was just hyperbole.....for effect.......lol

nogrudge
thanks

i really think we are in for a october surprise......

mccain is a weak candidate but i fear we will hear some bombshel about about obama and he will lose 40 states

In keeping with this "winning & losing" discussion---Politico is reporting that Obama intends to declare victory on May 20. At that time they project he will have 1627 pledged delegates (a majority of pledged delegates) which they maintain is a "winning" majority of the 3,253 total pledged delegates--but that # is good ONLY if FL & MI is not included.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10184.html

Sheila -- I'm just stating my opinion -- a prediction based on the way I think it will go. I'm not saying I'm happy about it. If Obama is the nominee I'm voting voting for him, just like I voted for Kerry, just like I voted for Gore, Clinton 2x, Dukakis, Mondale, Carter. Notice a pattern there?

I think that would be a bad, and ungracious move on his part, due to the fact that he doesn't not determine the winner, the Democratic Party determines the winner.

That sounds like his way of thinking....(if true) what a horse's behind

Its OK to be insensitive....I just don't belong here anymore. That notion just became so concrete to me.

You see, I have always accepted and believed that unless someone has proven that they are evil, they should be given respect.

Try as I might, I still haven't seen any proof of what you all are saying.

I was hoping that things might start changing now that the Primaries are almost over. I was hoping that I could come here and be a part of the rest of the process.

Put a hand out in unity. But I am wrong. Why should any one of us stay if you guys are just going to bash in the name of Opinion.

I think I could like most of you, but I don't want to know you as long as you are into dividing and bashing.

Nash, keep on Bashing back. I guess this is what they want. ;0)

Alica: CT Whitman, as Bush's head of EPA, told 9/11 recovery workers in NYC that it was safe to work at "ground zero." Now many of those people are sick and dying. They and their relatives blame her.

pattern:
McCarthy.......Loser....(was it he or HHH....another Loser.)
McGovern......Loser.
Carter.......Loser, 2nd term. (thanks to T. Kennedy, noted obama supporter.)
Mondale.......Loser
Dukakis........Loser
Clinton.....Winner.....Twice.
Gore.........Loser (noted Non-Endorser)
Kerry........Loser.....(noted obama supporter)

Coreen--

Well, I declare! I declare myself prefect of central South Carolina. Sounds good to me.

AK

I see your "hand" and raise it by one more...McGovern in 1972.
And as much as I feel Obama will be Carter 2.0....I will still vote for him in the GE....just not with any enthusiasism....
OK...I'm depressed now. :(
~gidget

Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun,

Come on, don't say those things about "not belonging." People can be jerks, but not everyone here is like that. Stick around if you can stand it. I have always valued what you have said....but then again, I am just a food item. : )

peace

TZ - your comments on the way the Dems apportion votes is spot on.
Now, I do fault the Clinton campaign for not being more aware of this and also for hesitating about Iowa, BUT, if the rules were not so arcane, the delegate math might be quite different. Why should the voters of Houston have had more delegate representation per person than those of the Rio Grande Valley? I have no quarrel with allocation of delegates by district, but why are some votes weighted more heavily than others?
As for the caucuses...give me a break. There are 62,000 registered Dems in Wyoming and 8000 turned out for the caucuses--and the state is given 15 delegates.
By the way...HRC is hanging on because the inclusion of MI and FL does change the delegate math. I haven't done the numbers, but it seems to me that, even though Sen Obama would still be ahead, the changed number might just work in her favor.
BTW the MI and FL superdelegates can't be committed because their votes won't count unless the delegations are seated.

Sheila said:
Instead of making such a dreadful prediction that leads others to think you are an expert, why don't you back it up with documented fact.

Sheila......please, I mean no offense whatever.....but do you not see some insensitivity to Alicia's opinion contained in the above sentence?

"She's worked for the Democrats all her life." said nogrudge.

Actually, Sen Clint has not worked for Democrats all her life. She was a Republican when she went to college. I think I remember her being the president of the Young Republicans at Wellesley during her undergrad years. Wikipedia confirms that she was a Republican and then changed to the Democratic Party while still at school. The change was due to Civil Rights and the Vietnam War.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Don't worry about it Sheila. I imagine I would be pretty pissed if it looked like Obama was going to lose. And I would certainly get in some parting shots before this thing was officially over.

I think come this Fall - there will be plenty of issues for us to discuss again. And I suspect some of the backwards and divisive techniques used by a desparate Republican party seeking to cling to power - as well as them tearing down ideas such as universal healthcare, pulling out of Iraq, etc. - should do a lot more to unite us than the work of any one individual.

U_B-
I wanted to thank you for the heads-up on the Toys R Us.com having Wii. I saw your post and immediately went to the site and ordered one for my husbands B-Day....he was verrrry happy.
~Gidget

Hillary comes to Oregon later today starting with a townhall in Central Point. (Near Medford in Souhern Oregon.

Then on to Portland area..more to be announced.

Sheila: Please don't stop posting comments. People write things on this blog that they would NEVER say face to face. There's something about posting comments that encourages people to say things that are "over the top."

The Clinton people don't really intend to be rude. (Nor do I, at those times when you have gotten on my case.)

Of course the "trolls" are another matter. They DO intend to be rude, so I just ignore them.

Flatus,
good idea.
I declare myself prefect of Houston Texas!

El Caballo........that would be about the time that all the former democrats like strom thurmond changed to gop, right?

I think Hillary is "hanging on" because she said she would hang on. She has promised millions of loyal supporters that she would take on this race until there was a determined winner.

If you were in a competition ( say for example : winner receives 5 million dollars), would you quit before a winner was determined? ( I would not )

sturgeone: Don't blame Sen Kennedy for Jimmy Carter's loss in 1980. I think Pres Carter managed to do that all on his own...I remember that he actually didn't even really campaign. He had this Rose Garden strategy that had to do with the hostages. And, of course, California went for Reagan...big chunk of votes. 76 was the only time in my life I didn't vote Dem and I still think I was right....if Gerald Ford had won, there would have been no President Reagan, and likely no President Bush.

Horsedooty
Ok, I lied.
She didn't work for the Democrats when she was a minor.
She changed parties because of her strong belief in civil
rights among other things, when she was experienced
enough to make an informed decision. She was raised
a Republican. So she didn't work for the party until she
was in college. And since then she has worked whole
heartedly for Democrats, minorities, working class and
all Americans.

And Sheila, it may please you to know that my crystal ball has gotten a little dusty. You might be right. Obama could be the one to lead us to the promised land of decades of Democratic majorities in Congress, the White House and State Houses. He could very well put an end to the K Street connection and corporate influence so that all the middle class would be able to afford houses and send their children to Ivy league colleges, create a public health care system where anyone who wants health care can have it at an affordable rate, fix public education, create good-paying private-sector jobs for everyone who wants a job, achieve US energy independence, end terrorism and hatred against the US because he can relate more to the radical Muslim world so they will feel less threatened and stop hating America and eradicate racism forever. These are all nice dreams. It could happen, right?

It would be nice to back a winner -- but I'm sorry -- I just don't feel it will work out that way. Call me a cynic. It's okay.

Also, I would never post a cut and paste from one blog to another as any kind of evidence for anything. BLOGS = Big Lies On a Global Scale.

Gidget, cool.

I think the may become easier to get because of Wii fit that is due out May 19th. I was in NYC the past several days and the Wii Fit is really fun....they had a demo at the Nintendo store.

I am happy you got one. : )

Maggisd (south dakota? have an artist friend in Rapid)

It's only his opinion, of course, but Craig has been known to blame Sen Kennedy for ushering in the Reagan years.......having read his opinion, I'm inclined to agree........

I think Whitman would be a great choice, even with the EPA 9/11 thing, 'cuz the GOP can't win New York anyway. BUT, she is notably pro-Choice and McCain has said he will not choose a pro-Choice VP (Cindy would kill him).
Of course, he'll have to settle for neutral judges if he's elected, because the Dems stand to pick up at least four seats in this cycle.

Are you a troll?
* Do you post comments merely to annoy?
* Do post insulting personal attacks on other commenters?
* Do you login under a constantly changing array of different names, to hide the fact that you're just one person, often having a "dialog" with yourself?
* Do you have no sense of humor (but think that you do)?
If you answered "yes" to two or more of the above, you may be a a troll.

No worries Alicia. We need some cynics around here to keep us honest and to point out the weaknesses that Obama will need to focus on to beat the GOP.

nash........hey......brian is NOT a troll........better make it 3 questions........

Senor Pescado,

I don't really know to tell the truth. Strom and the Dixiecrats were not on my radar at that time. Again Wiki says that Strom changed his affiliation to Repub in 1964. That would probably be about the same time line. My post was only in the interest of accuracy. I am glad she came to her senses and made the switch to the Democratic Party no matter how late it came.

El Caballo
aka yo soy Horsedooty!

Nash -- good point about Christine Whitman and 9/11 workers. Think that's a deal-killer? I mean we are talking about the GOP here and that didn't stop people from voting for Bush in 2004.

Not that I care all that much about the GOP ticket -- since I am voting DEM not matter what.

sturgeone -- not South Dakota, although it is a state I am very fond of (used to be a rockhound). San Diego. Craig is not alone in his opinion, I just do not share it. As someone old enough to be his mother with a poli sci background this is one area where I tend to do my own analysis. I had family ties to Hollywood and thoroughly disliked RR but he and his team rolled out the elections and his public appearances like some sort of B movie from the 40s....he was a great campaigner and Carter never had a chance IMHO.

BO To declare he is nominee on May 20

Yeah right! Read

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10184.html

Julie

Whitman: 9/11 health woes are city's fault

GRAHAM RAYMAN AND GLENN THRUSH | September 8 2006

Former EPA administrator Christine Todd Whitman is blaming the city for not forcing Ground Zero workers to wear respirators, prompting a fiery response from the city's top lawyer.

In a "60 Minutes" interview to air Sunday, Whitman maintains that the nation's leading environmental agency did not have authority to enforce rules at the site, though the agency did warn the city about dangers in the air at Ground Zero.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/September2006/080906_b_Whitman.htm

Bill is speaking in Philippi WVA. CNN.COM is carrying it.

Sheila, my sistah, I am so sorry if I said anything that made you upset. I'm just stating my opinion. You can disagree and I truly respect your right to disagree with anything I said. Please don't be upset. Don't go. We'll all get through this. Breathe in, breathe out. Okay? Sorry again if I hurt your feelings.

Maggi......thank you......I appreciate your take......

Do you post comments merely to annoy?
* Do post insulting personal attacks on other commenters?
* Do you have no sense of humor (but think that you do)?
If you answered "yes" to two or more of the above, you may be a a troll

sturgeone -- Remember the question that prompted BO's "bitter" response? His analysis was wrong. The reason people will vote against their economic self interest, and even their most deeply held beliefs, is that most people vote on their gut ... this has been demonstrated in focus groups many times. How many times have you heard "there's just something about him" ...

no grudge,

please understand I was not picking on you.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Tired of being a troll? Attend a seminar at the (new) Crawfordslist Institure of Troll Rehabilitation (CITR).
* Learn the difference between an argument and a personal attack.
* Learn to include a few statements in your postings that are so ludicrous that even the most literally-minded reader will realize that you are just being sarcastic.
* Pick one name, and stick with it.
Remember, anyone can be a troll. It's not who you are, it's what you do.

The media will have a ball if Obama declares victory on May 20th and Hillary says no way. Could be interesting to see their speeches that night if Obama goes first and she follows.

maggi......I amend my pattern list to make room for your opinion......

pattern:
McCarthy.......Loser....(was it he or HHH....another Loser.)
McGovern......Loser.
Carter.......Loser, 2nd term. (thanks in the estimation of many but certainly not everyone to T. Kennedy, noted obama supporter.)
Mondale.......Loser
Dukakis........Loser
Clinton.....Winner.....Twice.
Gore.........Loser (noted Non-Endorser)
Kerry........Loser.....(noted obama supporter)

oh boy I'm skeered of what Nash thinks of me
the person who posts the same old crap every damn day

I think that makes you more of a troll than anyone posting here.

They just cut Bill and flipped over to Hillary in WVA.

BTW - Craig -- I wanted to thank you for your comments on MSNBC about the number of older women you have met who fear they will not live long enough to see another viable female candidate and who just want to vote for Hillary. I had a flash to the many times she has been shown on stage with her 88 year old mother sitting nearby; I cannot help but think that part of her determination comes from her bond with her mother...I understand that her father was pretty much an SOB and their relationship was not all that great.

anyone who really believes washington ban be changed is living in a fantasy world ,,,,NO ONE and i mean no one is ever going to change washington....only the voters can and that is to give congress 2 terms and then vote them out no matter how good or bad they are ......once they realize they dont have permanent jobs things will change ....but we all know that will never happen

Nash LOL Ok I like the Troll training.
Thanks for the laugh.

Ok Guys, I am sorry too. We could all use a little sensitivity training after such a crazy Primary.

I have watched both candidates. just because I am sold on Obama, skinned knees and all, don't think I don't like CLinton, because if she is the Nominee, I will campaign my heat out for her.

I expect no less from all of you who decide to still vote for the winning crowd. ;0)

But understand. You guys just can't make a judgement of poor management or anything like that when you haven't seen it yet.

I have faith in the examples of "Judgement" he has shown in this campaign and over his life time. I respect his feelings of "RESPECT and compassion he has shown in all aspects of his life.

I also have faith that this man knows how to get conscensus and then make a decision based on his advisors and his gut feelings. This is Most Importantly what makes a great president.

I would ask you guys to take a breath and if he gets the NOM, give him the benefit of the doubt. Because I also have faith that Barack Obama will be using Hillary Clinton as a faithfull advisor too.

If Hillary Gets it, you can bet she will use Obama! She has more faith in him and you guys for sure!

So what happens if Sen O declares victory on May 20 and the DNC includes MI and FL delegates on May 31 (thus changing the math?)
I really do think that most people now realize that it was the Obama campaign that refused to compromise on re-votes for MI and FL ... and most Dem insiders think FL and MI are necessary for a Dem win...
I know the Obama people think that he can re-draw the red-blue map...and maybe he can...but will the Dems be willing to take that chance? One wonders.

Nash.......Crawfordslist Institute of Troll Rehabilitation, United States

CITRUS

She's a fighter, I don't see any indication she is trying for the number 2 position. I believe she really thinks she can still pull this out.

tz said:
anyone who really believes washington ban be changed is living in a fantasy world ,,,,NO ONE and i mean no one is ever going to change washington....only the voters can and that is to give congress 2 terms and then vote them out no matter how good or bad they are ......once they realize they dont have permanent jobs things will change ....but we all know that will never happen

Cicero agreed: No nation has ever receded from the brink.

I don't agree with that at all.

We may not see the end of the "BRINK" in our life time, but if our ancesters can come back from the Great Depression, we can certainly CHANGE Washington for the better.

Our founding fathers would want no less and I reject that notion TZ.

I'm hoping that you will see the beginning and will admit it someday. But for now, I will fight for you.

one democrat president in 28 years

anyone think the DNC uses their voters like puppets and leads them down the wrong path???

Sturgeone:
I know Brian.
Brain is a friend of mine.
Brian, sir, is no troll.

You, on the other hand, may be a large communist fish, from Italy.

tz -- don't agree with term limits. Here in CA we've been able to pass no meaningful legislation since term limits came in. I'd give anything if Willie Brown was back...

Nick? Who are you?

Darn, Doots, you sure are feisty today!
"El Caballo
aka yo soy Horsedooty!"

Strom was a fascinatingly complex person. He compartmented so many things, including his daughter, Essie Mae Washington-Williams.

Everyone here in South Carolina were so impressed when she arrived here and told her story.

I'm going to order her autobiography "Dear Senator" when we return from our trip. Hope I don't forget, again.

In any case, the Thurmond family was all ready to challenge her claim of Strom as her father, that is, until they saw her. She was clearly her father's daughter. And a marvelous, person, a retired educator, to boot.

Flatus the Prefect of Central South Carolina
aka el Supremo

Sheila......cicero was speaking to the steady march of his beloved republic towards imperialism.......just before they chopped off his hands and head to display in the senate........

nick:

Go fly a kite (to put it mildly).

Prediction: Hillary will concede 6/6/08.

Last primaries are Tuesday, June 3.

Hillary will announce her decision on Friday, June 6. This will allow her and/or her surrogates to go on all the weekend political shows and spin the story.

reg. DNC uses their voters like puppets

They try to lead us down the wrong path.
But it has gotten harder with communication being what it's become. With internet, cable, radio, activism, etc. It becomes much harder hide the truth.

vadaryl: Not just that she's a fighter, but both candidates know that no Dem has gotten a second bite at the apple since Adlai Stevenson (and that was largely due to the influence of Mrs Roosevelt). Al Gore came the closest (thanks to Bill Clinton)
Sen Clinton would be very helpful on the campaign trail, because she can attack where Sen Obama might not want to. Michelle can attack pretty good as well, but might not be wise for a potential first lady to be used as an attack dog.

magg
im not saying to make it a law im saying the voters should throw out incumbents for a few elections and then maybe the pols will start doing the right thing when they know they wont have a permant job for life

vadaryl: Not just that she's a fighter, but both candidates know that no Dem has gotten a second bite at the apple since Adlai Stevenson (and that was largely due to the influence of Mrs Roosevelt). Al Gore came the closest (thanks to Bill Clinton)
Sen Clinton would be very helpful on the campaign trail, because she can attack where Sen Obama might not want to. Michelle can attack pretty good as well, but might not be wise for a potential first lady to be used as an attack dog.

There are a lot of people posting who seem to thinki the race is over.

I acknowledge Hillary's task is formidable, but, she is extremely strong and her supporter base is very loyal.

In politics 24 hours is a long time.

Last night, I went to the grocery store and the young clerk noticed my Hillary button. She asked if I was supporting Hillary. I told her yes and she said "good".

As I walked away, she said, "sir, I hope she stays strong". I was so encouraged. I was going to sleep in today because I'm worn out..But, if Hillary can get up and keep going, so can I.

Have a nice day!

reg. DNC uses their voters like puppets

They try to lead us down the wrong path.
But it has gotten harder with communication being what it's become. With internet, cable, radio, activism, etc. It becomes much harder hide the truth.

nash said:
You, on the other hand, may be a large communist fish, from Italy.

I resent your calling me "large".

tz--in that case, I certainly agree with you. It's what the founding fathers intended should happen. Just as a for instance--I really have a great fondness for Sen Byrd and his love of the Senate and Constitution (not so much for his early opposition to civil rights)...but he is clearly not up to the job anymore and it is just a sad thing to see him struggle. I noticed the other day that Sen Johnson is now walking (albeit with a cane) while Sen Byrd is now in a wheelchair.
On the other hand, Sen Stevens and Sen Inouye both seem to be doing just fine.

it's only a very slight beer gut.........

Another good book on Strom by Jack Bass, prof at CofC.

magg
im not saying to make it a law im saying the voters should throw out incumbents for a few elections and then maybe the pols will start doing the right thing when they know they wont have a permant job for life

Posted by: tz | May 8, 2008 11:56 AM

Now I DO agree with that

Nash - It looks like your magic 8-ball is working pretty good...

"Democrat Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman said on Thursday he believes the Democrats will have a presidential nominee in June and that if it is not Clinton, she will campaign for rival Barack Obama."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080508/pl_nm/usa_politics_mcauliffe_dc

I do worry about Sen Obama working well with Congress. I read an article some time ago (think it was the New Yorker) that he had not managed to fit in very well...maintained an aloof relationship with his colleagues and found hearings boring.
I notice when Obama and Clinton go back to vote on some important issue that Obama comes in, votes and then leaves. Hillary usually lingers to talk with colleagues...including even those who have endorsed Sen Obama. I have no idea what that portends.

STROM: The Complicated Personal and Political Life of Strom Thurmond

McCain's VP (That is today's topic).
* McCain = old, VP = young (40-50)
* McCain = "Maverick," VP = Republican conformist
* McCain = southwest, VP = from some other region
* McCain = needs to play the nice guy, VP = attack dog
* VP must deliver at least one large "purple" state
I don't know Republicans. Who fits this? A governor would be good. (Mojo had the FL (R) governor on this AM. He looked good.)

Maggie-
I agree with you re: California term limits and Willie...but I would be less than truthful if I didn't admit that I'm thrilled that Don Perata has termed out....
~Gidget

Oregon Democrat , reg. "sir, I hope she stays strong".
Well Put! People forget she's in this for all of us who support
her. Not just herself. We should cheer on a fighter, not encourage them to quit. I will never give up on hillary unless she tells me to.

Nash-
I'm not a republican but :
What about Jeb Bush ?
Incredibly popular Gov.of a state the GOP needs
Speaks Spanish fluently
Roman-Catholic
Guarrentees Texas
Might cause trouble for the Dems in California (37%
Hispanic)

Con: Pro Life

Rice vs. Huckabee
Sanford vs. Romney
Pawlenty vs. Powell
Ridge vs. Hutchison
Palin vs. Brownback
Steele vs. Jindal
Portman vs. Lieberman
Thune vs. Crist

Of pairing #1, Huckabee is better than Rice. He is a really good campaigner (what is it about Hope, Arkansas).
Pairing #2..Sanford brings him SC, which he already can win. Romney may bring him Michigan, but also brings him credibility on economy.
Pairing #3 . Powell is almost as old as McCain. Pawlenty has done some good things in Minnesota but he is a chinless wonder (looks do matter)
Pairing #4 -- Ridge and Hutchison ... both pro-choice and she is not the brightest bulb.
Pairing #5 - Palin vs Brownback. Who is Palin? Brownback...Mr Excitement.
Pairing #6 - Steele vs Jindal ... Jindal just became governor. Hasn't done anything yet. Steele very attractive man...but he might make Sen McCain look awfully small and awfully white.
Pairing #7 - Portman young and attractive and good on econ. Isn't he from Ohio? Lieberman? Forget it. McCain does want to win.
Pairing #7 - Just what McCain needs... a 7 foot tall running mate (OK Thune isn't quite that tall, but just about). Does he need help to win South Dakota? If he does he'd better quit right now. Actually Crist deserves it, politically...he helped put McCain over the top in Florida and he outmaneuvered the Dems re the primary.

Maggi,

As far as your reservations about whether the guy fits in? I have heard Senator after Representative speak of how much they like him and how much he crosses the ailes.

this was also a common theme with the State REPS of Illinois.

He also stands his ground. McCain got mad at him for standing against a piece of Legislation his first year.

I bet Jeb is already the pick........EVERYBODY likes him better than his brother.......