Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Good morning...

I may stop by and see you tomorrow Craig.

God Bless.

I voted for Bill twice and I feel I have a right to call him out on the way he has campaigned for Hillary.

When he goes out to areas with very few AA's to campaign for his wife while not campaigning in areas with AA's since they figure were not getting there vote anyway and writing them off completely says a lot about the Clintons.

I don't know if there racists or not, but they sure aren't trying very hard for the AA vote. When they constantly say like many here about Obama, Why can't he get the White Vote I say back how come Hillary can't get the AA vote?

There sure not trying very hard too now are they?

Anyway I'm done with all this garbage, everyone vote for who you want to which is what your going to do anyway.

At least I haven't called Hillary a secret Muslim, a bad parent, a Manchurian Candidate, a Communist or any other of the many names the Hillary supporters have called Obama.

That's it for me. Have a good day.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/05/superdelegates-can-end-this-no.html#comment-78867

Jason...

This is for you.

"Well before I hit the sack I want to address a couple comments I read above. There for no particular commenter, but just a few thoughts about them.

First if any of you are going to switch parties and become an Independent remember this.

Once you become an Independent unless you live in a state that has open primaries you will lose the right to vote for a candidate you support whether there Republican or Democrat.

If the candidate you support loses the nomination for that parties primary you will only be able to support the choices on the ballot in the General Election and you may not like the choices being offered.

So before you switch parties make sure you can live with your choice because you will have no say in who will be on the ticket in the General."

I left this late last night. Remember you can not now vote in your state's primaries for any state local elections either unless your state holds open primaries or you re register so you can chose who you want representing you in your county or district.

I know since I don't get to chose who is running for office in my county or district until the regular election is run since I live in a closed primary state.

God Bless.

AP - et all... Good Morning.

CRAIG - maybe an interesting CQ would be the actual history of Clinton impact on the Presidential elections and how many times did Clinton get majority vote or help one get majority vote?

Fact is the Clinton record is not the good.

So maybe BHO is the most electable, However what is waiting around the corner?

Looks like the Orlando gang is first up (Orlando Gang = AP, Ping and proxy Craig)

Yall have a good day - and remember those that are true centrist, Hold BHO accountable to all of those issues you have been factually reporting. Do not let go of your Bush hate, But do not attach this to McCain. Fact is he is closer to a Dem then many Dem's - if you look at the left wing impact that will some day collapse the Dems as the right wing did to the Reps

McCain Romney 08

Ping Pong
Orlando? What's up with the commuter rail program
How can you sit by and let all that planning and money
go to waste.

Ping Pong
Orlando? What's up with the commuter rail program
How can you sit by and let all that planning and money
go to waste.

AP,

I must say, a very civil post!

Thanks for that man! Really...I mean it.

But unfortunately I have to say this. I am doing it for the better of the party and for my own well beig. If I am not able to vote....So Be It!

I refuse, and let me repeat it: I REFUSE to be represented by a group of morons (excuse my french) who just have no feeling of being a leader, yet stick to the estbalishment and wait for things to blow over.
never take rsponsibility for whatever, and the take pride when someone within the party makes headway nationally. Leaders never wait for dust to settle, they find ways to counter or to restraint

I also do not agree with the way Mr Obama is carrying this election.
Being an independent is not so much a choice, but an obligation, taking a stand prove a point.
if that means I cannot vote in the GE, so be it!
But, I cannot live with myself being tied to a party that continuously has shown lack of leadership and vows only on prestige. Furthermore as an AA I am appalled by the way my fellow AA is committing himself out of his way to get nominated and thefore forgets what he initally promised the country......

I have some words for HRC also, but they pale very much in contrast to BO and DNC

So, being an independent is my stance and I intend on being that as long as leadership has not changed within the party.

Lynn C...

I believe it had to do with the cap on damages if you and a loved one are injured or even killed because of problems with the tracks it would be using.

There blaming the trial lawyers for this since they are unwilling to give CSX I believe who owns the tracks immunity for any accidents even if its due to a fault of negligence on there part.

I only heard a little on the radio so I'm not fully aware of all the other issues there also were.

Back to work.

God Bless.

If enough people were to become independents, they could form the Independent Party......

Jason...

You misunderstood what I said. You can vote in the General, just not in the Primaries to chose the candidate whom you can vote for once the General voting is done.

Also read my whole comment on the last thread. Its around 12pm I believe.

I can not vote for any city nominees who decides city issues or county until the General state election date. The General Election this year is a National Election and I had no right to vote for either Obama or Hillary for the Party Nominee to be on the General ballot in November.

I still feel that there may not be elections if the monkey in the peoples house takes us to war in Iran.

Got to go back to work now, just wanted to clarify what I said.

God Bless.

sturgeone...

There is a Independent Party though I don't know if they slated anyone for the General or not.

God Bless.

if this happens in MI what do they do with the popular vote there. Also based on the votes is this fair based on how many votes Hillary received and I guess the Uncommited going to Obama.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/08/michigan-democrats-settle-on-69-59-delegate-seating-plan/

rats.......thought i had a good joke for a second there.....

Jason -- As an IND you don' t have to give up your vote int he GE. You might give p your vote in the primary -- depending on the state laws of your residency. Do you vote with DEMs abroad?

That Michigan Plan Works for me and my Thanks to my favorite senator, Carl Levin for being so fair. He was listening to me too.

Ok AP
Thanks for the clarification.

Alicia,
I am voting abroad. Am hailing from Fla.

Can't make it up Dept. from Wiki

The American Independent Party is a California political party. The party was established in 1967 by Bill Shearer and his wife Eileen. In 1968, the American Independent Party nominated former Alabama Governor George C. Wallace as its presidential candidate and retired Air Force General Curtis E. LeMay (who replaced former Georgia Governor Marvin Griffin on the ticket) as the vice presidential candidate. Wallace ran on every state ballot in the 1968 U.S. Presidential Election, although in some states it was too late to replace Griffin's name with LeMay, and, consequently, in some places the former Georgia governor remained on the ballot in the second spot. Wallace did not represent the American Independent Party in all fifty states. In Connecticut, for instance, he was listed on the ballot as representing the "George Wallace Party." The 1968 presidential ticket received 13.5 percent of the popular vote and 46 electoral votes. The party opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and welfare programs.

Last night on Larry King they had on three superdelegates that have not made up their minds yet. One was from MI and she said she won't commit until something is done with their delegates, they had another one from FL and he pretty much said the same thing. The third one was Nancy Pelosi's daughter who is from Calif. She was interesting. She said back when Calif held it's primary she would vote for the candidate that the majority of the people wanted and she is still commited to that today. So John King (the map guy) who was subbing for Larry asked her did she mean the popular vote and she said no the delegate vote the way the system was set up. I bet back in 2000 when Gore won the popular vote and the electoral college changed that she was not pleased before the supreme court stepped in. So why now would she vote the same way. Again the Supers are suppose to vote for the person who they think has the best chance of winning. The Hill newspaper asked 42 uncommited supers and 38 said they would vote for the person they thought had the best chance and 4 said they would vote for the person that won their district.

Political PunchFormer President Jimmy Carter told Jay Leno on "The Tonight Show" today that the Michigan and Florida Democratic primaries should not count since the two ...

Hamas elections he is happy to recognize.

if we're going to recognise the election of W then i would suppose we'd also have to do that for the election of hamas, eh?

Jason...

Florida is a closed Primary. Only Dem's and Repug's can vote in there Primaries. Independents can vote in the General.

God Bless.

Hillary as head of a third-party independent candidacy if the Democratic Party doesn't show her, Fla & MI some respect.

John Hogue...

I said the same thing about Obama in my comment last night around 12pm and gave my reasons why.

Back to work.

God Bless.

if we're going to recognise the election of W then i would suppose we'd also have to do that for the election of hamas, eh?

Are you saying W is a terrorist? :)

In California "Independent" is called "Decline To State". They keep changing the rules about how the "declines' can participate in the primaries, so check with the Dept of Elections.

Hillary & Lieberman as Third-Party Candidates: Gender Votes, Jewish Votes, Conservative Votes, Blue-Collar votes, Patriotism Votes, etc.

waiting to see Craig on MSNBC...

It takes brains to survive as a terrorist. That leaves out GWB.

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

Yay! Craig's on MSNBC right now. Taking on Mika .

Friends don't let friends vote Republican

http://www.cafepress.com/buy/friends+don't+let+friends+vote+republican

let us know what he says since some of us can't see it

John Hogue -- Hillary/Lieberman doesn't inspire me. He would be a drag on her.

would number of deaths caused per year be part of the equation?

are YOU calling W a terrorist?

All the "punditry" keep floating the VP balloon for Sen. Clinton and I can't see her really wanting it or Sen. Obama really wanting her.

I'm not sure if she would be interested, but a real fit would be the first appointment to the Supreme Court. As a sitting senator she would be an almost certain shoo in for confirmation. Lots of prestige and a life time job that would keep her out of the 2012 election.

ok that was too short..i'll just keep it on MSNBC today....sure you will be back..always like to hear your critique on the latest...

Craig was asked about the idea that Hillary is staying in to get Obama to pay her campaign debt. He said she didn't need that -- might be bigger stakes like running mate. He also mentioned that the Clintons did help pay the debts of their opponents in 1992.

W has certainly terrorized me

elections the subject was........I'm not sure, of course, but i think hamas actually won their election.........and they didnt even have Kathrine Harris to help them over the rough spots.......much less a 5-4 supreme court.......

"Hillary & Lieberman as Third-Party Candidates: Gender Votes, Jewish Votes, Conservative Votes, Blue-Collar votes, Patriotism Votes, etc."

Hey
If we are into fantasy , then I vote for
McCain / Clinton 2008

Just for the fireworks

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

Craig, it's really helps when you list on your blog ahead of time that you'll be on TV. I hate finding out later I missed seeing you.
Saw a clip from John Stewart last night where he joked with McCain that he should run Hillary as his VP. I actually thought it would be a winning ticket (if Hillary doesn't get the nomination).
Just wishful thinking, I know. But really want to see that woman in office. Think the nation needs her.

pugnacious, must have been thinking from the same mind pool at 9:28am. Love your ideas!

If you are not a yellow dog Democrat
be a clothespin Democrat.

Remember a split ticket doesn't help with the Supremes

looks like Hillary is out in WVa this morning going forward and looking great as usual...talking about getting the women out to vote..she has a big lead and also in Kentucky..so i hope all women and men will get out and vote for Hillary and put her over the top in popular vote

watched e. edwards and then mika came on with a superdelegate......he says we'll know in a couple of weeks

Mika: Couple of WEEKS??? Couple of WEEKS???

what a jerkette.

If Obama is the Democratic nominee, we will have a GOP President McCain. If by some fluke Obama wins the WH, nothing will change -- in fact he will deal away everything we have in the name of "Unity." Look how he supported a regressive tax like the gas tax! Liberals are supposed to be against regressive taxes. A President Obama will serve one term and lead to 16 years to follow of GOP domination. We'll also lose the Congress in the process.

I would be thrilled if my predictions are wrong, but I'm afraid not. We democrats are so used to screwing ourselves.

Hey

nogrudge, Great minds and all that;-)

I've played too much.
A banker wants my budget so I need to pull some numbers together.

work to be done and payroll to meet
So its miles to go before I sleep

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

So Alicia,

Instead of making such a dreadful prediction that leads others to think you are an expert, why don't you back it up with documented fact.

I would do no less if I were to make such a negative statement about your candidate.

And I insist that your documentation do not include personal writings from blogs.

Jason, slide over. I want a seat on the independent bench as well. And, I guess I'll have to turn in my yellow dog card and cancel my monthly stipends.

I've sent Mrs Clinton close to a thousand bucks this cycle. And I'll help her retire her campaign debt after the campaign is over; she was in my corner, and I'll be in hers.

Loyalty counts.

Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun | May 8, 2008 9:45 AM

Alicia offered her opinion something you do often and with no documentaion.

do we need documented facts to support opinions now?
If we did......the "audacity of hope" would be in a heap o' trouble.......

I see far too many predictions here on both sides but opinions are just that and no more, I would imagine.

Women intuition. It's a scientific fact. Why not?

Clinton can't win. So what's her game? Does she want something from Obama (help with her debt, VP, supreme court, etc)?

I think she's already running for 2012, on the assumption that Obama will lose. She will get out of the race when she feels she has positioned herself properly.

A few more primary wins would be nice, followed by a graceful exit with everyone (even Obama) praising her.

Flatus, as always, well put.
I'll do the same for Hillary.
Loyalty is under rated.

Sheila, a prediction need not be supported. A forecast, on the other hand, should be supported if it is credible.

FWIW, I predict Alicia may be quite right. Matter of fact I forecast she might be right based on the Clinton first term and its aftermath. It was only through his force of personality, and some good recovery-politicking that he managed to stay for a second term.

Good call, Alicia.

Ok you Guys,

I get it. If I take exception to a particularly hard opinion and want to publically take exception I am not allowed and you guys imply that I am wrong and also imply that I am a bad person.

But you can call (on average about twice a day) Obama a liar, imply that he is stupid, dishonest, a race baiter, and whatever else you want to say.

Its accepted and I or anyone else cannot question it.

You all can question whether or not I am a good person because I don't enjoy these doom and gloom fantasies about Obama?

I guess its not time to come back yet Craig?

I'll see after the GE. See you all if your here, I will be.

nash said:
Clinton can't win. So what's her game? Does she want something from Obama (help with her debt, VP, supreme court, etc)?

Nash.......quitters never win and winners never quit.

Winning isnt the best thing.....it's the only thing.

--vince lombardi

or something like that.

Clinton will NOT accept VP under Obama.
* If he loses, she'll share the blame and won't be the party's choice for 2012.
* If he wins, she gets stuck in the VP slot for either 4 or 8 years with little of no chance of ever becoming President. GHW Bush was one of the very few who have done that.
* With the exception of Cheney, most VPs hate the job. You can only do what the President allows you to do, which, most of the time, is nothing at all.

http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/do-you-believe-in-magic/

Obama, of course, vetoed, stalled and squirmed his way out of permitting a re-vote in MI and FLA back when there was time to do so. Not only did he fear a repeat of Clinton’s victories, he also feared the daunting task of securing 2209 delegates, rather than a mere 2025.

Obama cannot win unless Clinton drops out

sheila.....I dont think there were any of the implications you listed......."bad person" etc......

you question another's opinion with your own, that's all.....the points above were only that opinions are just that ................opinions, which are all roughly comparable in worth to your own which you are most welcome to have, eh?
Nobody took exception to your taking exception....it's just that you asked for links and hard facts to support an opinion.

sturgeone: The Clintons are very sharp politicans. They can do the math, they can sense the way the wind is blowing. It's not simply a matter of "toughness."

If she drags this out to the convention there will be so much ill will toward her, she'd never have a shot at 2012, because if Obama loses, she would be blamed.

because if Obama loses, she would be blamed.

Posted by: nash | May 8, 2008 10:08 AM

memememememe

One that you have been promoting
If Obama loses the fault will be his and yours.

nash.....is that your considered opinion?

oh and one of obama's most effective supporters in here, Warren, offers opinion the whole time he's here as if it were fact......that's ok.... he gets questioned on it a lot.....

ok.......maybe not the WHOLE time..........

Sheila is a good person.
We mustn't make this personal.
Sheila, we respect your loyalty and hope you respect ours.
One thing about opinions. Everyone has one.

I think Hillary will stay in the race through until the last primaries on June 3. A few days later, she'll gracefully concede. All the party leaders will praise her.

She'll get a nice prime time speech time slot at the convention and give a rousing speech that will cause most of her enemies within the party to forgive her.

Then she'll just sit back and wait for Obama to lose. She'll go through the motions of campaigning for him, of course. But I think she really believes he has no chance.

Nash......no it's not a matter of toughness.....it's a matter of winning......now and in 08.......and in the opinion of many hillary supporters she should not quit until she has actually really genuinely absolutely......Lost.

How embarrassing will it be for Obama to suffer huge defeats in WV, KY and PR? It will illustrate Obama's demographic weakness and "he still can't close the deal".

Copied from a Newsweek:

***** THIS JUST IN *****

Hillary may have a chance after all, for 2 reasons.

1) Reports say Bill Clinton is rumored to be wooing Obama to secretly marry him, thereby guaranteeing that Obama’s candidacy will finally sink like a stone.

2) According to Hillary and Bill (who else?), the race has only just begun, because the number of delegates needed for the nomination is not 2025, and it is not 2209. In fact, the real number is 37,378.

These news items were relayed to Earth by a deep space probe which also sent back photographic proof that the Clintons had moved the goal posts to the 9th moon of Jupiter.

sturgeone: I have opinions but I would hesitate to call them "considered." But why should I be held to a higher standard?

If Obama loses, everyone will blame everyone. That is the nature of the beast. There will be books written, and opinions,and documentaries published out the waH zoo <--- technical term. : )

The agony of defeat, A bitter pill to swallow, Clinging to a dream, The Typical White Democrat, Shame on you MSM, Wright turn at Denver, Yes we can, can't we? ect.

oops IMO

Karl Rove
"I really like Barry O'Bama's math"

nash.......lol...........we dont have to show you no stinkin' higher standards........

the democratic party has the most undemocratic system in primaries.........i changed to independent in 1984 when they put mondale up and voted republican when they put dukakis up......i voted for clinton twice and gore but passed and didnt vote in 2004 because kerry was a wimp....this election has shown the idiocy of the democrat party proportional distribution of delagates AA votes equal 1 1/2 votes to 1 vote for delagate counting ....5 states break the rules only 2 get penalized......iowa and NH dictate when primaries can start and neither one voted for gore which would have made him president and they both leaen red .......i could go on but most of you know what idiots the DNC are.......as isaid i only voted republican once in 1988,,,,,,,,but this year i will not vote for obama.....not because of race but because he is a phony and a con artist and i wont vote for someone the media has tried to shove down my throat

sturgeone: According to your logic, she shouldn't EVER quit. If the convention picks Obama, she should say that she was unfairly denied the nomination, and run as an independent.

That would be "tough." (And it would be political suicide.)

Knowing when to quit is a good survival strategy. To quote from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" ..."Run away!"

A friend just called in with a different idea for a McCain running mate -- what about Christine Todd Whitman? Howard Stern endorsed her.

tz, RIGHT ON!
I especially agree with your last line.
Go tz!

no.....I said she should run until she has lost....that would be when barack wins. that will be time enough.

nash, why so afraid of Hillary?
Let her finish this out.
She will never skip out on her party.
She will not run as an independent.
She's too loyal. She's worked for the Democrats all her life.
Giver her a break.

On TV last night, can't remember what show, someone was mentioning how Hillary has "true grit"......That is exactly what I see as missing in Obama. I believe many will not vote for Obama for several reasons, each personal to their own respective opinion. Which btw, does not need to be proven or scrutinizes as it is each Americans right to vote as they like if they like. Pretty simple stuff..

Once Hillary is out , I think my interest level may diminish. The debates may prove to be somewhat interesting. But unless there are some changes in their stumps, I just see a major snore heading our way.

and hillary and bill are democrats......they wont go independent........nor should they.......

me too.

Christine Todd Whitman

Great idea for the Republicans especially if the candiates are trying to distance themselves from Bush.

ok....winners never quit etc......that was just hyperbole.....for effect.......lol

nogrudge
thanks

i really think we are in for a october surprise......

mccain is a weak candidate but i fear we will hear some bombshel about about obama and he will lose 40 states

In keeping with this "winning & losing" discussion---Politico is reporting that Obama intends to declare victory on May 20. At that time they project he will have 1627 pledged delegates (a majority of pledged delegates) which they maintain is a "winning" majority of the 3,253 total pledged delegates--but that # is good ONLY if FL & MI is not included.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10184.html

Sheila -- I'm just stating my opinion -- a prediction based on the way I think it will go. I'm not saying I'm happy about it. If Obama is the nominee I'm voting voting for him, just like I voted for Kerry, just like I voted for Gore, Clinton 2x, Dukakis, Mondale, Carter. Notice a pattern there?

I think that would be a bad, and ungracious move on his part, due to the fact that he doesn't not determine the winner, the Democratic Party determines the winner.

That sounds like his way of thinking....(if true) what a horse's behind

Its OK to be insensitive....I just don't belong here anymore. That notion just became so concrete to me.

You see, I have always accepted and believed that unless someone has proven that they are evil, they should be given respect.

Try as I might, I still haven't seen any proof of what you all are saying.

I was hoping that things might start changing now that the Primaries are almost over. I was hoping that I could come here and be a part of the rest of the process.

Put a hand out in unity. But I am wrong. Why should any one of us stay if you guys are just going to bash in the name of Opinion.

I think I could like most of you, but I don't want to know you as long as you are into dividing and bashing.

Nash, keep on Bashing back. I guess this is what they want. ;0)

Alica: CT Whitman, as Bush's head of EPA, told 9/11 recovery workers in NYC that it was safe to work at "ground zero." Now many of those people are sick and dying. They and their relatives blame her.

pattern:
McCarthy.......Loser....(was it he or HHH....another Loser.)
McGovern......Loser.
Carter.......Loser, 2nd term. (thanks to T. Kennedy, noted obama supporter.)
Mondale.......Loser
Dukakis........Loser
Clinton.....Winner.....Twice.
Gore.........Loser (noted Non-Endorser)
Kerry........Loser.....(noted obama supporter)

Coreen--

Well, I declare! I declare myself prefect of central South Carolina. Sounds good to me.

AK

I see your "hand" and raise it by one more...McGovern in 1972.
And as much as I feel Obama will be Carter 2.0....I will still vote for him in the GE....just not with any enthusiasism....
OK...I'm depressed now. :(
~gidget

Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun,

Come on, don't say those things about "not belonging." People can be jerks, but not everyone here is like that. Stick around if you can stand it. I have always valued what you have said....but then again, I am just a food item. : )

peace

TZ - your comments on the way the Dems apportion votes is spot on.
Now, I do fault the Clinton campaign for not being more aware of this and also for hesitating about Iowa, BUT, if the rules were not so arcane, the delegate math might be quite different. Why should the voters of Houston have had more delegate representation per person than those of the Rio Grande Valley? I have no quarrel with allocation of delegates by district, but why are some votes weighted more heavily than others?
As for the caucuses...give me a break. There are 62,000 registered Dems in Wyoming and 8000 turned out for the caucuses--and the state is given 15 delegates.
By the way...HRC is hanging on because the inclusion of MI and FL does change the delegate math. I haven't done the numbers, but it seems to me that, even though Sen Obama would still be ahead, the changed number might just work in her favor.
BTW the MI and FL superdelegates can't be committed because their votes won't count unless the delegations are seated.

Sheila said:
Instead of making such a dreadful prediction that leads others to think you are an expert, why don't you back it up with documented fact.

Sheila......please, I mean no offense whatever.....but do you not see some insensitivity to Alicia's opinion contained in the above sentence?

"She's worked for the Democrats all her life." said nogrudge.

Actually, Sen Clint has not worked for Democrats all her life. She was a Republican when she went to college. I think I remember her being the president of the Young Republicans at Wellesley during her undergrad years. Wikipedia confirms that she was a Republican and then changed to the Democratic Party while still at school. The change was due to Civil Rights and the Vietnam War.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Don't worry about it Sheila. I imagine I would be pretty pissed if it looked like Obama was going to lose. And I would certainly get in some parting shots before this thing was officially over.

I think come this Fall - there will be plenty of issues for us to discuss again. And I suspect some of the backwards and divisive techniques used by a desparate Republican party seeking to cling to power - as well as them tearing down ideas such as universal healthcare, pulling out of Iraq, etc. - should do a lot more to unite us than the work of any one individual.

U_B-
I wanted to thank you for the heads-up on the Toys R Us.com having Wii. I saw your post and immediately went to the site and ordered one for my husbands B-Day....he was verrrry happy.
~Gidget

Hillary comes to Oregon later today starting with a townhall in Central Point. (Near Medford in Souhern Oregon.

Then on to Portland area..more to be announced.

Sheila: Please don't stop posting comments. People write things on this blog that they would NEVER say face to face. There's something about posting comments that encourages people to say things that are "over the top."

The Clinton people don't really intend to be rude. (Nor do I, at those times when you have gotten on my case.)

Of course the "trolls" are another matter. They DO intend to be rude, so I just ignore them.

Flatus,
good idea.
I declare myself prefect of Houston Texas!

El Caballo........that would be about the time that all the former democrats like strom thurmond changed to gop, right?

I think Hillary is "hanging on" because she said she would hang on. She has promised millions of loyal supporters that she would take on this race until there was a determined winner.

If you were in a competition ( say for example : winner receives 5 million dollars), would you quit before a winner was determined? ( I would not )

sturgeone: Don't blame Sen Kennedy for Jimmy Carter's loss in 1980. I think Pres Carter managed to do that all on his own...I remember that he actually didn't even really campaign. He had this Rose Garden strategy that had to do with the hostages. And, of course, California went for Reagan...big chunk of votes. 76 was the only time in my life I didn't vote Dem and I still think I was right....if Gerald Ford had won, there would have been no President Reagan, and likely no President Bush.

Horsedooty
Ok, I lied.
She didn't work for the Democrats when she was a minor.
She changed parties because of her strong belief in civil
rights among other things, when she was experienced
enough to make an informed decision. She was raised
a Republican. So she didn't work for the party until she
was in college. And since then she has worked whole
heartedly for Democrats, minorities, working class and
all Americans.

And Sheila, it may please you to know that my crystal ball has gotten a little dusty. You might be right. Obama could be the one to lead us to the promised land of decades of Democratic majorities in Congress, the White House and State Houses. He could very well put an end to the K Street connection and corporate influence so that all the middle class would be able to afford houses and send their children to Ivy league colleges, create a public health care system where anyone who wants health care can have it at an affordable rate, fix public education, create good-paying private-sector jobs for everyone who wants a job, achieve US energy independence, end terrorism and hatred against the US because he can relate more to the radical Muslim world so they will feel less threatened and stop hating America and eradicate racism forever. These are all nice dreams. It could happen, right?

It would be nice to back a winner -- but I'm sorry -- I just don't feel it will work out that way. Call me a cynic. It's okay.

Also, I would never post a cut and paste from one blog to another as any kind of evidence for anything. BLOGS = Big Lies On a Global Scale.

Gidget, cool.

I think the may become easier to get because of Wii fit that is due out May 19th. I was in NYC the past several days and the Wii Fit is really fun....they had a demo at the Nintendo store.

I am happy you got one. : )

Maggisd (south dakota? have an artist friend in Rapid)

It's only his opinion, of course, but Craig has been known to blame Sen Kennedy for ushering in the Reagan years.......having read his opinion, I'm inclined to agree........

I think Whitman would be a great choice, even with the EPA 9/11 thing, 'cuz the GOP can't win New York anyway. BUT, she is notably pro-Choice and McCain has said he will not choose a pro-Choice VP (Cindy would kill him).
Of course, he'll have to settle for neutral judges if he's elected, because the Dems stand to pick up at least four seats in this cycle.

Are you a troll?
* Do you post comments merely to annoy?
* Do post insulting personal attacks on other commenters?
* Do you login under a constantly changing array of different names, to hide the fact that you're just one person, often having a "dialog" with yourself?
* Do you have no sense of humor (but think that you do)?
If you answered "yes" to two or more of the above, you may be a a troll.

No worries Alicia. We need some cynics around here to keep us honest and to point out the weaknesses that Obama will need to focus on to beat the GOP.

Senor Pescado,

I don't really know to tell the truth. Strom and the Dixiecrats were not on my radar at that time. Again Wiki says that Strom changed his affiliation to Repub in 1964. That would probably be about the same time line. My post was only in the interest of accuracy. I am glad she came to her senses and made the switch to the Democratic Party no matter how late it came.

El Caballo
aka yo soy Horsedooty!

Nash -- good point about Christine Whitman and 9/11 workers. Think that's a deal-killer? I mean we are talking about the GOP here and that didn't stop people from voting for Bush in 2004.

Not that I care all that much about the GOP ticket -- since I am voting DEM not matter what.

sturgeone -- not South Dakota, although it is a state I am very fond of (used to be a rockhound). San Diego. Craig is not alone in his opinion, I just do not share it. As someone old enough to be his mother with a poli sci background this is one area where I tend to do my own analysis. I had family ties to Hollywood and thoroughly disliked RR but he and his team rolled out the elections and his public appearances like some sort of B movie from the 40s....he was a great campaigner and Carter never had a chance IMHO.

BO To declare he is nominee on May 20

Yeah right! Read

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10184.html

Julie

Whitman: 9/11 health woes are city's fault

GRAHAM RAYMAN AND GLENN THRUSH | September 8 2006

Former EPA administrator Christine Todd Whitman is blaming the city for not forcing Ground Zero workers to wear respirators, prompting a fiery response from the city's top lawyer.

In a "60 Minutes" interview to air Sunday, Whitman maintains that the nation's leading environmental agency did not have authority to enforce rules at the site, though the agency did warn the city about dangers in the air at Ground Zero.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/September2006/080906_b_Whitman.htm

Bill is speaking in Philippi WVA. CNN.COM is carrying it.

Sheila, my sistah, I am so sorry if I said anything that made you upset. I'm just stating my opinion. You can disagree and I truly respect your right to disagree with anything I said. Please don't be upset. Don't go. We'll all get through this. Breathe in, breathe out. Okay? Sorry again if I hurt your feelings.

Maggi......thank you......I appreciate your take......

Do you post comments merely to annoy?
* Do post insulting personal attacks on other commenters?
* Do you have no sense of humor (but think that you do)?
If you answered "yes" to two or more of the above, you may be a a troll

sturgeone -- Remember the question that prompted BO's "bitter" response? His analysis was wrong. The reason people will vote against their economic self interest, and even their most deeply held beliefs, is that most people vote on their gut ... this has been demonstrated in focus groups many times. How many times have you heard "there's just something about him" ...

no grudge,

please understand I was not picking on you.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Tired of being a troll? Attend a seminar at the (new) Crawfordslist Institure of Troll Rehabilitation (CITR).
* Learn the difference between an argument and a personal attack.
* Learn to include a few statements in your postings that are so ludicrous that even the most literally-minded reader will realize that you are just being sarcastic.
* Pick one name, and stick with it.
Remember, anyone can be a troll. It's not who you are, it's what you do.

The media will have a ball if Obama declares victory on May 20th and Hillary says no way. Could be interesting to see their speeches that night if Obama goes first and she follows.

maggi......I amend my pattern list to make room for your opinion......

pattern:
McCarthy.......Loser....(was it he or HHH....another Loser.)
McGovern......Loser.
Carter.......Loser, 2nd term. (thanks in the estimation of many but certainly not everyone to T. Kennedy, noted obama supporter.)
Mondale.......Loser
Dukakis........Loser
Clinton.....Winner.....Twice.
Gore.........Loser (noted Non-Endorser)
Kerry........Loser.....(noted obama supporter)

oh boy I'm skeered of what Nash thinks of me
the person who posts the same old crap every damn day

I think that makes you more of a troll than anyone posting here.

They just cut Bill and flipped over to Hillary in WVA.

BTW - Craig -- I wanted to thank you for your comments on MSNBC about the number of older women you have met who fear they will not live long enough to see another viable female candidate and who just want to vote for Hillary. I had a flash to the many times she has been shown on stage with her 88 year old mother sitting nearby; I cannot help but think that part of her determination comes from her bond with her mother...I understand that her father was pretty much an SOB and their relationship was not all that great.

anyone who really believes washington ban be changed is living in a fantasy world ,,,,NO ONE and i mean no one is ever going to change washington....only the voters can and that is to give congress 2 terms and then vote them out no matter how good or bad they are ......once they realize they dont have permanent jobs things will change ....but we all know that will never happen

Nash LOL Ok I like the Troll training.
Thanks for the laugh.

Ok Guys, I am sorry too. We could all use a little sensitivity training after such a crazy Primary.

I have watched both candidates. just because I am sold on Obama, skinned knees and all, don't think I don't like CLinton, because if she is the Nominee, I will campaign my heat out for her.

I expect no less from all of you who decide to still vote for the winning crowd. ;0)

But understand. You guys just can't make a judgement of poor management or anything like that when you haven't seen it yet.

I have faith in the examples of "Judgement" he has shown in this campaign and over his life time. I respect his feelings of "RESPECT and compassion he has shown in all aspects of his life.

I also have faith that this man knows how to get conscensus and then make a decision based on his advisors and his gut feelings. This is Most Importantly what makes a great president.

I would ask you guys to take a breath and if he gets the NOM, give him the benefit of the doubt. Because I also have faith that Barack Obama will be using Hillary Clinton as a faithfull advisor too.

If Hillary Gets it, you can bet she will use Obama! She has more faith in him and you guys for sure!

So what happens if Sen O declares victory on May 20 and the DNC includes MI and FL delegates on May 31 (thus changing the math?)
I really do think that most people now realize that it was the Obama campaign that refused to compromise on re-votes for MI and FL ... and most Dem insiders think FL and MI are necessary for a Dem win...
I know the Obama people think that he can re-draw the red-blue map...and maybe he can...but will the Dems be willing to take that chance? One wonders.

Nash.......Crawfordslist Institute of Troll Rehabilitation, United States

CITRUS

She's a fighter, I don't see any indication she is trying for the number 2 position. I believe she really thinks she can still pull this out.

tz said:
anyone who really believes washington ban be changed is living in a fantasy world ,,,,NO ONE and i mean no one is ever going to change washington....only the voters can and that is to give congress 2 terms and then vote them out no matter how good or bad they are ......once they realize they dont have permanent jobs things will change ....but we all know that will never happen

Cicero agreed: No nation has ever receded from the brink.

I don't agree with that at all.

We may not see the end of the "BRINK" in our life time, but if our ancesters can come back from the Great Depression, we can certainly CHANGE Washington for the better.

Our founding fathers would want no less and I reject that notion TZ.

I'm hoping that you will see the beginning and will admit it someday. But for now, I will fight for you.

one democrat president in 28 years

anyone think the DNC uses their voters like puppets and leads them down the wrong path???

tz -- don't agree with term limits. Here in CA we've been able to pass no meaningful legislation since term limits came in. I'd give anything if Willie Brown was back...

Nick? Who are you?

Darn, Doots, you sure are feisty today!
"El Caballo
aka yo soy Horsedooty!"

Strom was a fascinatingly complex person. He compartmented so many things, including his daughter, Essie Mae Washington-Williams.

Everyone here in South Carolina were so impressed when she arrived here and told her story.

I'm going to order her autobiography "Dear Senator" when we return from our trip. Hope I don't forget, again.

In any case, the Thurmond family was all ready to challenge her claim of Strom as her father, that is, until they saw her. She was clearly her father's daughter. And a marvelous, person, a retired educator, to boot.

Flatus the Prefect of Central South Carolina
aka el Supremo

Sheila......cicero was speaking to the steady march of his beloved republic towards imperialism.......just before they chopped off his hands and head to display in the senate........

nick:

Go fly a kite (to put it mildly).

Prediction: Hillary will concede 6/6/08.

Last primaries are Tuesday, June 3.

Hillary will announce her decision on Friday, June 6. This will allow her and/or her surrogates to go on all the weekend political shows and spin the story.

reg. DNC uses their voters like puppets

They try to lead us down the wrong path.
But it has gotten harder with communication being what it's become. With internet, cable, radio, activism, etc. It becomes much harder hide the truth.

vadaryl: Not just that she's a fighter, but both candidates know that no Dem has gotten a second bite at the apple since Adlai Stevenson (and that was largely due to the influence of Mrs Roosevelt). Al Gore came the closest (thanks to Bill Clinton)
Sen Clinton would be very helpful on the campaign trail, because she can attack where Sen Obama might not want to. Michelle can attack pretty good as well, but might not be wise for a potential first lady to be used as an attack dog.

magg
im not saying to make it a law im saying the voters should throw out incumbents for a few elections and then maybe the pols will start doing the right thing when they know they wont have a permant job for life

vadaryl: Not just that she's a fighter, but both candidates know that no Dem has gotten a second bite at the apple since Adlai Stevenson (and that was largely due to the influence of Mrs Roosevelt). Al Gore came the closest (thanks to Bill Clinton)
Sen Clinton would be very helpful on the campaign trail, because she can attack where Sen Obama might not want to. Michelle can attack pretty good as well, but might not be wise for a potential first lady to be used as an attack dog.

There are a lot of people posting who seem to thinki the race is over.

I acknowledge Hillary's task is formidable, but, she is extremely strong and her supporter base is very loyal.

In politics 24 hours is a long time.

Last night, I went to the grocery store and the young clerk noticed my Hillary button. She asked if I was supporting Hillary. I told her yes and she said "good".

As I walked away, she said, "sir, I hope she stays strong". I was so encouraged. I was going to sleep in today because I'm worn out..But, if Hillary can get up and keep going, so can I.

Have a nice day!

reg. DNC uses their voters like puppets

They try to lead us down the wrong path.
But it has gotten harder with communication being what it's become. With internet, cable, radio, activism, etc. It becomes much harder hide the truth.

nash said:
You, on the other hand, may be a large communist fish, from Italy.

I resent your calling me "large".

tz--in that case, I certainly agree with you. It's what the founding fathers intended should happen. Just as a for instance--I really have a great fondness for Sen Byrd and his love of the Senate and Constitution (not so much for his early opposition to civil rights)...but he is clearly not up to the job anymore and it is just a sad thing to see him struggle. I noticed the other day that Sen Johnson is now walking (albeit with a cane) while Sen Byrd is now in a wheelchair.
On the other hand, Sen Stevens and Sen Inouye both seem to be doing just fine.

it's only a very slight beer gut.........

Another good book on Strom by Jack Bass, prof at CofC.

magg
im not saying to make it a law im saying the voters should throw out incumbents for a few elections and then maybe the pols will start doing the right thing when they know they wont have a permant job for life

Posted by: tz | May 8, 2008 11:56 AM

Now I DO agree with that

Nash - It looks like your magic 8-ball is working pretty good...

"Democrat Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman said on Thursday he believes the Democrats will have a presidential nominee in June and that if it is not Clinton, she will campaign for rival Barack Obama."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080508/pl_nm/usa_politics_mcauliffe_dc

I do worry about Sen Obama working well with Congress. I read an article some time ago (think it was the New Yorker) that he had not managed to fit in very well...maintained an aloof relationship with his colleagues and found hearings boring.
I notice when Obama and Clinton go back to vote on some important issue that Obama comes in, votes and then leaves. Hillary usually lingers to talk with colleagues...including even those who have endorsed Sen Obama. I have no idea what that portends.

STROM: The Complicated Personal and Political Life of Strom Thurmond

McCain's VP (That is today's topic).
* McCain = old, VP = young (40-50)
* McCain = "Maverick," VP = Republican conformist
* McCain = southwest, VP = from some other region
* McCain = needs to play the nice guy, VP = attack dog
* VP must deliver at least one large "purple" state
I don't know Republicans. Who fits this? A governor would be good. (Mojo had the FL (R) governor on this AM. He looked good.)

Maggie-
I agree with you re: California term limits and Willie...but I would be less than truthful if I didn't admit that I'm thrilled that Don Perata has termed out....
~Gidget

Oregon Democrat , reg. "sir, I hope she stays strong".
Well Put! People forget she's in this for all of us who support
her. Not just herself. We should cheer on a fighter, not encourage them to quit. I will never give up on hillary unless she tells me to.

Nash-
I'm not a republican but :
What about Jeb Bush ?
Incredibly popular Gov.of a state the GOP needs
Speaks Spanish fluently
Roman-Catholic
Guarrentees Texas
Might cause trouble for the Dems in California (37%
Hispanic)

Con: Pro Life

Rice vs. Huckabee
Sanford vs. Romney
Pawlenty vs. Powell
Ridge vs. Hutchison
Palin vs. Brownback
Steele vs. Jindal
Portman vs. Lieberman
Thune vs. Crist

Of pairing #1, Huckabee is better than Rice. He is a really good campaigner (what is it about Hope, Arkansas).
Pairing #2..Sanford brings him SC, which he already can win. Romney may bring him Michigan, but also brings him credibility on economy.
Pairing #3 . Powell is almost as old as McCain. Pawlenty has done some good things in Minnesota but he is a chinless wonder (looks do matter)
Pairing #4 -- Ridge and Hutchison ... both pro-choice and she is not the brightest bulb.
Pairing #5 - Palin vs Brownback. Who is Palin? Brownback...Mr Excitement.
Pairing #6 - Steele vs Jindal ... Jindal just became governor. Hasn't done anything yet. Steele very attractive man...but he might make Sen McCain look awfully small and awfully white.
Pairing #7 - Portman young and attractive and good on econ. Isn't he from Ohio? Lieberman? Forget it. McCain does want to win.
Pairing #7 - Just what McCain needs... a 7 foot tall running mate (OK Thune isn't quite that tall, but just about). Does he need help to win South Dakota? If he does he'd better quit right now. Actually Crist deserves it, politically...he helped put McCain over the top in Florida and he outmaneuvered the Dems re the primary.

Maggi,

As far as your reservations about whether the guy fits in? I have heard Senator after Representative speak of how much they like him and how much he crosses the ailes.

this was also a common theme with the State REPS of Illinois.

He also stands his ground. McCain got mad at him for standing against a piece of Legislation his first year.

I bet Jeb is already the pick........EVERYBODY likes him better than his brother.......

http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/2006-10-19/news/charlie-crist-is-not-gay/

For several weeks, for example, a man who has known Crist for 25 years and for much of that time worked with him in the Republican Party has been saying publicly that Crist is not a heterosexual.

Max Linn, the Reform Party candidate for governor, says that in both 1984 and 1998, he and Crist discussed Crist's sexual orientation. (Linn says Crist is bisexual.)

If he were a Democrat it might not be a problem.

Shhhhhhshhhhhh....don't talk of Jeb Bush....that would be......wow......

Gidget - I agree with you about Peralta, always bearing in mind he wouldn't have been in that position without term limits.
As far as Jeb Bush goes -- I wonder if he'd do it. Hadn't thought of that one.

warren: I don't have an 8-ball. I'm just a political junkie who sucks up all the cable TV punditry like a sponge.

Clinton knows she can't win. She wants to go out on a strong note, but gracefully. She's going to win some of the remaining primaries, so why not stick around for another month?

But her TONE will change. She going to go "positive" pushing progressive policies, and her only attacks will be against McCain. If she does this, the Dem leadership will back off and give her some space.

Jeb Bush.
McCain wants to run away from the Bushes
besides Jeb has been making money selling subprime backed bonds to Florida cities. I rather doubt he would be much help.

Jeb Bush left Tallahassee for Miami in January 2007, having served two terms as governor. He incorporated Jeb Bush & Co., and in June was hired as a consultant with Lehman Brothers, the Wall Street investment banking firm.

In July and August, Stipanovich approved the purchase of $842 million in securitized mortgage bonds from Lehman.

Today the value of those bonds is practically zero, vanished in the debt crisis that is tipping the national economy into a recession.
http://www.flapolitics.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=2352

Why don't we just wait a generation for another Bush? lets get beyond this one first....

Hillary used a WVA line. Drive to Survive. For some of us that is very true. Here in the DC area the impact on the high gas prices are starting to show but we do have high wages that help but what's it like out there in WVA. When it gets to $4 a gallon. It's pretty scary. We can't wait until one of these candidatesuys gets elected. We need something now and Bush is not doing much. Next week he is going to ask to have more gas released from the reserves, they will just laugh in his face just like they did the last time. What has Obama come up with that will help us this summer when maybe it's over $5. Furture plans are great but we need something quickly.

Sheila - your statement McCain got mad at him for standing against a piece of Legislation his first year.

If it is the same legislation I am thinking of, that's not quite the story. Sen Obama apparently promised to come on board a piece of reform legislation with McCain. Then, when the Dems came up with their own version, Sen Obama decided to go with that version, as he said out of respect for Sen Reid.
I know about this because McCain wrote Sen Obama a strong letter accusing him of playing the same old partisan politics and of breaking his word (apparently Sen O did not tell Sen McCain he intended to move to the new legislation). Anyway, I sent an e-mail to Sen McCain (as apparently many others did) chastising him for releasing the letter and not giving Sen O the benefit of the doubt in the matter. McCain did apologize for the tone of the letter.

Yes, I do have a suggestion:

Reefer Madness

who better to criticise bush policies than his loving brother? the way W criticised his own father.......
gets together with many sides of the gop

Yes, Maggi,

Thats the one and I thought Senator Obama was in his rights. Thanks for jogging my memory.

Y'all, now you know I love me some Jeb, but even I will admit that to put a Bush on the ticket would be political suicide this year.

Lynn may have a point on Crist, I heard a reporter on POTUS 08 mentioning the same thing before and Crist has only been Gov. for 2 years so far.

Gidget: I don't what the story is with Jeb Bush. He was a popular governor of Florida. No one even talks about him anymore.

Some have said that the U.S. has "Bush fatigue" so he couldn't win. Of course, they said the same thing about Hillary. "Clinton fatigue" turned out to be a myth.

Sheila-
Think of it....the possibility of 28 years of a Bush in (or around) the White House....yikes!

As for the next generation...Jeb's oldest son is a definite possibilty....I just wish his name was not George.... : )

~Gidget

re your discussion upthread on the problem of incumbents for life:

maybe small donor fundraising by internet can shake up some incumbent protection strongholds too.

The internet can be a great equalizer, when used well, for discerning and disseminating facts, and bringing together supporters.

This has been such a fascinating election season to watch -- grueling, yes! -- but look forward to state and local races using some of its lessons.

vadaryl: Gas prices pretty huge issue in California as well. Public transportation nonexistent to sketchy at best. Housing costs such that many people live long miles from their job. Wages not that great for most working people so buying a hybrid not much of an option ... I liked Hillary's idea of upping the credit for buying a hybrid, although I think it should be income adjusted.

Glad to see some here support my suggestion that Hillary run on an independent ticket .She would win the states she already won and Mc cAin would win most of the states Obama won.Can anyone name states Obama would win in a three way matchup where all the votes are counted.Not too many.So if McCain beats her at least we will have gone down fighting.With Obama against McCain in general it is a pretty sure win for M.cain.
Ruth

jenn......no one has shorted the gop on political chutzpa lately......

News Guy: Many people dont like what youre doing....

Cheney: So?

Its OK to be insensitive....I just don't belong here anymore. That notion just became so concrete to me.

You see, I have always accepted and believed that unless someone has proven that they are evil, they should be given respect.

Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun

Sheila, This article I find appalling of Obama's supporters and this article indeed chills my heart.

I would be ashamed if Hill's supporters acted like this to Obama...

Clinton endured boos when she mentioned her proposal for a gasoline tax holiday, catcalls when she spoke of ending the Iraq war and, most difficult of all, the heckling of her daughter, Chelsea, who introduced her.

"End the dynasty!" a young man holding an Obama poster shouted when Chelsea Clinton stepped to the microphone.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/05/08/america/clinton.php

toast

Gidget,
George P is mighty fine!

She could find someone very wealthy to run as VP which would help with the finances that it would take to run independent.Maybe Romney.Bloomberg is from NY so he couldn't run unless he moved to Wyoming like Chaney did.She could form a coalition cabinet and would owe no one any favors.We would finally get rid of the controlling parties who are now in power.And being that the congress has such low approval rate she would have a good chance of winning
Ruth

Milquetoast, reg. "End the dynasty!"
Heart breaking.
I don't know how she does it.

With Obama against McCain in general it is a pretty sure win for M.cain.
Ruth

Posted by: painter | May 8, 2008 12:40 PM

Ruth, I don't think so and we shall see, won't we.

Toast,

I think that is horrible.. I think what I've seen on here About Obama is just as horrible. I would never condone what she is getting and I can tell you now!

My own son would not do that. He was not raised that way. Unfortunately some of our generation have allowed that type of behavior from theirs. Its ALL of our fault and its our generation's responcibility to stop it.

But at this juncture, why don't we start with us here. That's a great place to start, don't you think? Then when WE get it right, we can start with others.

Milquetoast- perhaps I am just looking for slights, but I have observed a lot of booing from Obama crowds when he mentions his opponent or when he names Hillary...and not noted the same from her crowds.

I do not think that Sen Clinton would run as an independent. If she does not pull this off she will, in the short term, return to the Senate and do her job. That is the Methodist upbringing, after all.

Bonior Endorsing Obama on MSNBC right now

Sheila,

I have been 'trolling' this site for years now lol of course that is when i am not busy with work or rehab! I've noticed the trend of the newbies forcing thier will on the 'oldies' and eventually the familiar posters are fading away....hate to see that happen....drop me a line sometime, love to chat, cooking is a passion of mine =o) hverdone at yahoo dot com

Sheila: I think you are right when you point to youth as a reason for the booing. The older I get, the more I seem to notice the rudeness of the younger generation. ;-)
But I'll tell ya' ... I was at the LA Coliseum the night JFK accepted the nomination with a lot of other young people (not old enough to vote in those days) and we were pretty extreme too...

with elders like ted kennedy and gary hart..........uh, hmmm...............

A few weeks ago someone estimated the results of the primaries that were left and WVA had Hillary 240,000 and Obama 160,000. I wonder if they will get that many voters. Based on this week the numbers have grown at each primary. if Obama loses by 80,000 votes is that closing the deal?

This has been fun. Gotta go.

Huckabee has a warm & fuzzy personality, if not warm & fuzzy policies, but I've still got to go with McCain/Romney. And it sounds like I will actually be voting Rep this time around.

Hil'ry says it's going until June so BO has someone say he'll declare victory on May 20th. Obama-ites don't understand that would be premature, like "mission accomplished." It's not over until November.

Hannah! I remember you and don't worry i am still kicking! But I will also drop you a line. ;0)

mags:

I think the Senate is ideal for her. The skills that make a good Senator are being a wonk in order to write good legislation. And being a "fighter" so that she can beat back GOP resistance.

Let Obama make all the big speechs to get the American people behind the Democratic agenda - and let Hillary ram that agenda down the throats of the Republicans on the floor of the Senate.

(Any ideas on who can sponsor the landmark HealthCare legislation that Obama can sign into law : )

(HRC might make a find S. Ct. Justive - but I think she would make the Court too political. Better to keep appointing boring judges who do their best to stay out of the political fray . . .)

This is interesting. Explains the wva primary. http://www.wvablue.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=2017

Nash, I love your CITRUS routine. You're on fire today with the wit and funny stuff .

Sheila said, "I will campaign my heat out for her." Is that in the kitchen or otherwise, Sheila? Sheila, posting here on CL is kind of like the old potato chip ad, "I'll bet you can't eat just one."

Jamie, I'm pushing for the Supreme Court angle. Thanks for joining me. Maybe Obama will hold out a gift of the Court for her endorsement after June 8th.

Have a great day everyone!

Did anybody see the heated exhange between Paul Begala and Donna Brazile Tuesday night. If not it's attached to this story.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/clinton-touts-white-support/

n

Vadaryl,

That is so funny and so exciting to see Donna and Paul in the same Character Growth Cycle that WE are ;0)

I just received this and I don't have the answer, anybody have any thoughts.

The slogan "Change - we can believe in" what is it exactly that obama would have us believe in, as he has thus far been reluctant to specify or declare any foundation for belief, any substance for faith to grow. What then does he imply by terming change, change what? Change can be something for good or for bad. How are we to know which he intends if he specifies NOT the basis for any change. Change government is very broad and could be construed as larger than implied such as from a democracy to a communist to terrorist state. How do we know if change is for the good when he provides no answer to every question concerning the declaration of change. Where is the policy, format, ideas, proposals, or any semblance of belief pertaining to change he so eloquently advocates. Washington is not broke but it is in need of repair, corruption and greed take a toll over time. he would change our government to what, he does not hint or suggest fixing it but he wants change, again to what? HE is empty man. he stands for nothing and would prey on blind followers by porting the grass is not green here but never proposing any dream of it greener on the other side. He disrepects our flag as a symbol of freedom and the inhabitants of our great nation. He says naught of what he will do for you but simply appeals for vote. What would they be voting for, we need no puppet or pretender, no hitler or stalin, we need a true american with principles and values. Vote for me instead!

dupe-a-mob

Very simply Vadaryl,

Obama wants to go to the days before lobbiests having their hands in the till. he wants to REALLY get rid of divisiveness and wants real live bipartisanship back and by the way, that ended with 1994 and Gingrich so its not so gone that we cannot get it back.

Barrack Obama wants to build teamwork again. One of the hardest things to do in today's climate.

No one, not even Hillary CLinton can begin to solve the problems again until each person crosses the aile and starts working with the others.

This is the Change that he is talking about and this is the personality trait he brings in anundance to the Table.

Vadaryl:

My immediate thought on the email you've thrown out for discussion at 1:29:

when the writer reaches for comparisons to Hitler or Stalin, or implies that Obama wants to change the US from a democracy to a communist state or a state sponsor of terror, you can safely disregard the email.

on the house visit http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000002719682

Abundance....one for you Eprof..... lol and good to see you again too!

lobbyists are always in there, remember Reagan and clinton tried to get single line veto neither bush did

Yes Vadaryl,

But lobbiests were never meant to commit bribery and extortion on our Representatives to personal gain. This what has to be stopped.

There are many lobbiests who are honorable and worthwhile. We have to protect those against the others that are criminal.

Posted this comment last night.

"Next I want to cover my thoughts on the comment about Hillary running as a third party candidate.

I had thought about this some time ago as an option for Obama if the nomination is not given to him after winning the popular vote, most states won and most pledged delegates.

I felt that he should use the Charles Schumer option that was used to put Judas Iscariot Lieberman back in the Senate after the Democrats in Connecticut firmly rejected him. Judas won because he had the support of the Republican Party who did nothing to help their own party member who was running for the seat.

I felt that Obama's campaign should have been out gathering signatures for a spot on the General Election Ballot as a Third Party Candidate under a new party called the Constitution Party should the nomination be denied to him after the above items I mentioned.

I firmly believe that if Obama ran as a third party candidate he could win the General against both McCain and Hillary and here is why.

Those Democrats who did vote for him would still vote for him. He would take the AA vote throughout the country carrying the 90% or better that he has so far.

He would carry all the new voters he has brought into the political process which I also believe is far more than Hillary has brought in.

He would take at least 40% to 45% of the Independent voters thereby denying McCain and Hillary votes they would need to win the General.

He would also take I believe 25% of the Republican vote away from McCain. Those would be the Republicans who feel that the Republican Party has abandoned them as many of those who left the the Democratic Party who felt that they had abandoned them as well.

I also believe that he would still be able to help the Democratic Party with the downward ticket as well by endorsing those whom he felt would work for a change in our countries politics as well as finally putting the Country first before all else.

I don't see that happening with either Hillary or McCain as it will just be politics as usual and we will still see the same divisiveness in our Government as we have had for the last twenty or more years.

Under both Hillary and McCain I see no hope for turning our country around and changing the course and future our country is heading for, which I see as a total collapse of our Democracy.

Whether or not Obama can make the changes needed I believe that he will do all he can to start the process and move our country forward instead of backward.

I believe that he will have the support from both sides of the aisle to start the process and anyone who won't or isn't willing to work towards that goal we the people can remove from office by voting them out when their up for re election.

Since most of you are pro Hillary I doubt very much that you would agree with me on anything in this comment, however you may want to think about what will happen to our country if you vote for McCain or even Hillary if the nomination is given to her over Obama after the above reasons I feel he should get the nomination.

That's it for me, have to get some sleep. After all I still have to work for a living to keep a roof over my head, clothes on my back and food in my belly.

Good night and ...

God Bless.

Posted by: anon-paranoid Author Profile Page | May 8, 2008 12:08 AM

This is my version of Obama running as an Independent.

God Bless.

Man....so do I Maggisd, So do I.

Sigh.....I still think these two as a team would blow everyone out of the water.

But everyone has to be koombiya from now on.

I don't care what ya'll say either. Kennedy and LBJ are a great example of two people who sucked it up for the Nation. ;0)

Maggi

"but might not be wise for a potential first lady to be used as an attack dog. " She did okay with wanting to scratch out Bill Clinton's eyes.

CITRUS - Good name for a school with headquarters in Florida.

Sheila: I think a lot of people just don't think when they condemn all lobbying. Environmental groups lobby, unions lobby, civil rights organizations lobby -- and so on.
Just like the furor over earmarks...yes, some of them are ridiculous but it is the Congress that is meant to appropriate, not the Executive. Why should the President get to present a budget filled with earmarks and the congress not?

Maggi,

Agreed. Lobbyists are necesary as long as we safe guard and return them to a place where they are only allowed to be honest.

I always thought that earmarks needed to be ONLY voted on by the contituents who are directly involved before voted on by congress.

Obama turns down Michigan plan because if the delegations are seated it would raise the number of delegates needed to win.

Sheila: I too think they would make a good team. As I think about potential VP candidates I see no one on the horizon who could bring as much to the ticket or to the campaign as could HRC.
And you are right about JFK and LBJ. Although I have heard that RFK never thought LBJ would accept the offer ... and I still think Teddy went over to Obama because of Hillary's JFK/MLK/LJB civil rights remark.

I think Hillary knows that if she doesn't win now she doesn't get a second chance (Dems just don't give you a second bite of the apple). Same with Obama, I think. And, to be truthful, if the two could get along I'd feel a lot better about Sen Obama if he had HRC's centrist, 50's era middle-class values to temper what I think are some really questionable notions about foreign diplomacy.

Lynn--so they both turned down the MI compromise? Not a good sign for either of them IMHO. I don't know what Hillary is thinking on this one, but if Sen Obama's position is correctly stated then he obviously does not care about Michigan at all.
Perhaps he really can find a different way to 270 votes but I actually see only Virginia as a possible flip state.

"But lobbiests were never meant to commit bribery and extortion on our Representatives to personal gain. This what has to be stopped. "

Sheila, The Willard Hotel has the "lobby" where the term "lobbyist" originated. They were hanging out in that lobby 100 years ago corning and bribing politicians. Nothing has changed except that they now have offices on K Street, wear guchi loafers, and there are a whole lot more of them to go with the bigger budget.

Jamie: I don't think that all lobbyists bribe people or that all politicians are willing to be bribed. Not everyone is like my unlamented former congressman Cunningham. It is simply not possible for Senators and Congressmen to know the feelings of every constituent, so sending in lobbyists to represent your POV is important.
And BTW for anyone who is interested, more than 50% of Sen Obama's contributions are bundled from people for various corporations and interest groups. I do not mean this as an insult, merely to demonstrate that he, too, is a politician.

Eddie Arnold has passed away

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG0I32IUP10

Maggi

I know that lobbyists are often very honest, hard working people simply doing their best to represent their constituencies.

I posted that because it seemed Sheila thought of if as something that was fairly recent and capable of being corrected. The dishonest will always find a way to get around the ethics codes. Just like the 150 brothels that used to exist between the White House and Capitol simply moved indoors to staffers apartments.

here is another one of those family values guys in Congress who was caught with DUI then confessed to an affair. Tiptoe add this guy to your list.

http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/08/congressman-admits-to-affair-child-after-dwi-arrest/

yo soy Horsedooty!

I have to say something about Cokie Roberts. I used to like her until her pompous newscast on Nightline about Bill Clinton needing to turn "RIGHT" and quickly.

It was all about the brouhaha over Gays in the Military. Cokie raises some issue and then says he's focus on Gays in the Military. Every time she derisively says "GAYS in the military" as if the issue didn't matter at all, I would just shudder. Maybe it wasn't important to her and a majority of others, but for those who had careers ruined by witch-hunts, spying and discharge, the issue was extremely important, for those individuals and for the people who loved them.

From that Nightline episode, I felt Cokie loved Cokie just a bit too much and that she had gone "RIGHT" and expected the new President to do it too. Eventually he did of course, but not because of Cokie's admonishments.

Off to eat.

And jamie that was not my intent. I am aware of the long standing tradition. But if measured limits can be put on this function, there is a real chance we can curb the criminal activity.

...Oh I get it.....the reason why Clinton rejected the Michigan desicion is because there are 13 members of the rules committee that are her SD's and followers......I get it now.

Whoever said that Obama rejected it was wrong. They accepted the 69/59 deal.

She's still playing with fire. It may sound clever, but forcing this could play against her. So good luck!

Maggi

I think Michigan is blue regardless and based on the interviews I have seen with Mrs. Dingell they did not expect anyone to accept the proposal. Mrs. Dingell said Michigan's refusal to kowtow to Iowa is an act of civil disobedience. Mrs. Dingell gave the impression Michgan Democrats expect to be spending the Democratic convention in the UP.

I would love to hear a Michigan insider talk about what has happened. What a mess.

Hillary sounds like the homeless guy who mumbles to himself about being the Emperor of Spain.

She's campaigning for a nomination she's not going to get. It's over. And I think it's sad that no one, not even her husband, has the decency to tell her that this race is done.

"Obama's campaign has resisted any overture that doesn't split the delegates down the middle, handing an advantage to neither side. "

Obama turns down Michigan

Do you have a source for Obama accepting the current Michign proposal

Thought this was important to the discussion;

Michigan Democrats agree on solution to the disputed primary

http://blog.mlive.com/grpress/2008/05/michigan_dems_arrive_at_6959_s.html

Wednesday evening's compromise takes the form of a challenge to the
Democratic National Committee to have Michigan's delegates seated at the
party's August Convention in Denver.

Clinton has been demanding that she receive the 73 delegates apportioned
according to the Jan. 15 vote. Fifty five delegates would be uncommitted
though the vast majority of those would go to Obama, who took his name
off the Jan. 15 ballot. The Obama campaign is pushing for an even
division, 64-64, of the state's 128 pledged delegates.

"This splits the difference," party chair Mark Brewer said after the
plan's "overwhelming" approval by the party's 80-member executive
committee.

Obama campaign officials Wednesday told reporters they were open to a
compromise that would give Clinton a few more delegates. A
Clinton-backed measure that that would abide by the Jan. 15 results, but
give each of the 128 delegates a half-vote, now apparently won't be
filed with the DNC.

A group of four uncommitted party officials unveiled the 69-59 split on
April 29 and urged state Democratic Party approval.

U.S. Sen. Carl Levin, U.S. Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, UAW President
Ron Gettelfinger and DNC member Debbie Dingell said the compromise was a
"fair" one that resolves an "impasse that with each passing day hurts
our chances of carrying Michigan and winning the presidency."

BYE BYE, seriously, are you Nash incognito?

Nash's usual contortions about Hillary: She was a Republican until Civil Rights and Anti-War. Well, yes...

Many of us were uncertain about where we stood when the face of the Democratic party was a red-faced Southern Gov. keeping black students away from the school steps.

Nash -- you are an embarrassment to public education.

Thanks for the citation but it does not state the Obama campaign has agreed to the plan
.
It is the same wording Obama used to describe the two other proposals at first look and in the end did not support them

Sheila my dear, wipe the Cool Aid off your chin.

There is a theory making it's way around that within several more weeks a major shoe will drop on BHO, and that is the reason why HRC hasn't bailed out of this race. Wonder what that shoe could be???? ;>)

May 7, 2008
Obama’s Support Similar to Kerry’s in 2004Similar levels of support exist across white, black, blue-collar voters
http://www.gallup.com/poll/107110/Obamas-Support-Similar-Kerrys-2004.aspx

But at this juncture, why don't we start with us here. That's a great place to start, don't you think? Then when WE get it right, we can start with others.

Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun 12:56 PM

Sheila, I agree with you that the right tone is an imperative worth striving for an should begin HERE. I must admit I check in now and then and ONLY do so by SHUNNING those posts that are senselessly contentious.

toast

maggisd,
Milquetoast- perhaps I am just looking for slights, but I have observed a lot of booing from Obama crowds when he mentions his opponent or when he names Hillary...and not noted the same from her crowds.

Posted by: maggisd Author Profile Page | May 8, 2008 12:58 PM

I left the democratic party because of the shrill far left and found as an indy it better suits my positions as a moderate. I am loyal to Hillary but if that is not to be, then I will vote for the safety in divided government.

toast

HRC will never accept VP, her ego would prevent that from happening. And BHO will never offer it to her, if he did how would BHO explain selecting his VP who is just full of all those bad old Washington traits he wants the rid himself of?

Gallup tracking poll

Today's update finds 47% favoring Obama and 46% supporting Clinton. (

Fry......LOLOLOLOL

Clinton would have had it out a while back so she could take advantage of the sitch. At least any selfserving proactive politician would have. It doesn't serve anyone to make her weak like this, except McCain.

Ohhhhhh...thats what you mean....the Republican attack dogs think this is the only way to get Grandad in.

"But at this juncture, why don't we start with us here. That's a great place to start, don't you think? Then when WE get it right, we can start with others. "

Yes,,, Sheila. Why don't "we" just ignore the absolute EVIL that Obama's supporters do and say, "Let's just move on and be sweet."

The crap that toast posted that the O people say and do tells me all I need to know. This is what the Democratic party has been brought down to. UNBELIEVABLE!

Look what some "parents" are raising.

You miss understand Sheila, but no matter BHO is like John Edwards. He has lost the D primary race, the reality of that fact will come into to play soon. Then we will at least have 2 tested individuals running for POTUS, not some do nothing Johnny One Note type of guy, who gets confused with the purpose of car insurance vs a drivers license. Who is being back by some of the biggest socialists in the US, and enemies of our country, Hamas, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Patsi just go blow a hole in your socks and put your head through....this is all I will say to you from now on.

I have had enough of your bitter bitter divisive ways. You just let the rest of us get a long and that will be fine with me.

I'm not even Harold would like you like this. You don't paint a great picture of an ideal Democrat.....or Independent for that matter.

Turning on the Craig Crawford Ignore Button.

Love you Fry! SWAK! ;0)

regarding the Michigan Primary- On The Press Pool on POTUS 08 they interviewed a reporter from the Detroit News, who explained that the Obama camp had agreed to the compromise and the Clinton camp was against it because they want all 73 delegates and by keeping the issue unresolved in MI and FL it gives her reason to keep campaigning.

http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080508/POLITICS01/805080382

Thanks Jennbe! I have been looking for it all afternoon.

Lynn C: The MI Dems (well, Sen Levin and Debbie Dingell) have been trying to reposition MI for years and years. This isn't the first time MI has been "punished" ... just the first time it mattered. The MI Dems want to break the influence of Iowa and NH ... they think it leads to unrepresentative decisions in that neither state is diverse enough.

HRC will prevail, so save your money, I wouldn't be buying any BHO for POTUS bumper stickers just yet, unless you like collecting almost ran's political memorabilia .

No Prob, Sheila!

Hillary is still my candidate but I am troubled that she is being so stubborn over a 4 delegate difference. Especially if the inclusion of MI changes the overall delegate math.

Obama's spokesman said the campaign was still talking with Michigan officials.

Michigan Democrats Propose Plan to Seat Delegates (Update2)

By Christopher Stern
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=awDl.IEqNQFA&refer=us

Clinton asked Obama today to join her in working directly with Michigan and Florida Democrats on a solution that will allow both states to seat their delegates.

Commitment to Voters

``Your commitment to the voters of these states must be clearly stated and your support for a fair and quick resolution must be clearly demonstrated,'' Clinton wrote in the letter, which was distributed by her campaign.

Sheila,

Love and kisses. Time for food, and then time for a Home Owners Meeting. Well there goes dinner.

re: Jennbe's cite the article does not say the Obama campaign has agreed to the plan.

"We're talking to them," David Plouffe said of Michigan officials. He stopped just short of endorsing the plan, developed by the "Group of Four" party power brokers named by Gov. Jennifer Granholm to seek a solution to the delegate impasse. "

Maggisd
Thanks for the history. I guess they have their reasons but it doesn't seem to be working out for them.
The interview with Debbie Dingell made her look like a real loon.

v

I agree with Sheila about Obama and Clinton running as a team. It's no secret that I have hoped Hillary would be the nominee, but I do think great things would happen if they worked together. I also believe that, when you toss aside all the campaign directors and "professional advisors", there is less animosity between the two Senators than is often stated. I doubt that -- one on one -- Hillary and Barack really have mutual animosity. Hillary was so poorly served by Mark Penn (just looking at his face makes me sick) that I am surprised she's gotten this far. I commend her for not quitting when many politicians told her she should do so. Personally, I don't see a real point in continuing now, but I admire her for not being a quitter. I believe she will do whatever it takes to heal rifts between her supporters and Barack's supporters, and so will he.

I am voting for the Democratic nominee, and I think we can all pretty well bank on it being Barack Obama. Now I intend to spend more time watching him and listening to what he has to say. On the issues I care about, he's there, though the Universal Health Care plan by Mrs. Clinton is more what I want to see.

It's bed time, good night.

Lynn C,

I live here and I'm telling you that this region is in a depression, not just a recession.

Although I didn't like what they did, we all understood why they wanted the attention of the nation. They were desparate. That said,

I hope all parties get this resolved soon so we can go on.

Lynn, Press Pool interviewed the Reporter and that is how he characterized on the radio.

BTW, watching Hardball right now and Howard Wolfson doesn't sound like they are getting out of the race anytime soon.

Sheila

I have no doubt Michigan is economically depressed but I don't think that had anything to do with this action as was previously pointed out, this is not their first time trying to overturn the tyranny of the tiny states.
Just the first time there are consequences.

Fry, Too bad so sad.... ;0( Home Owners Meetings are not my favorite get together.

"I have had enough of your bitter bitter divisive ways. You just let the rest of us get a long and that will be fine with me."

Hey

I love it.

They may not need you Patsi but I do.

Split your ticket

Vote McCain.
Don't the Obama people remind you of the intolerance you find so distasteful with the leftwingnuts.

Hey, they are my best recruiters.

Friends don't let friends vote the straight ticket
Vote for divided government.
Vote McCain

Wolfson is setting all of us straight! And Hillary is staying in and thinks she can win! Chis Mathews has gotten so much nicer toward Hillary, but will it last? Yeah Hillary

Lynn C,

Could very well be, except that this was the excuse given to the masses here. Probably to get out of trouble if you are correct. Because if they did, they did it for no good reason and screwed us.

Well, lets hope its resolved quickely anyway

Soooo Pugnacious is a Troll too? Too bad, you seemed kinda nice the other day.

Bad Dye Job For Tweety Looks Lemon Orange.

MI "thing" has nothing to do with current conditions. Levin and Dingell have been at this for years. There was a spirited "discussion" at the DNC meeting, and they made it quite clear that they continue to think that Michigan is more representative of the Democratic Party as a whole while being compact enough not to tax the candidates.
The DNC settled the diversity question by allowing Nevada and SC to jump ahead of the Feb 5 date -- at the insistence of Sen Reid and Rep Clyburn.
Several states (including Indiana and NC) were rewarded with additional SDs as a reward for not jumping ahead in line.
And, of course, I just learned this year that districts with heavily AA populations have an advantage in delegates as a reward for their past voting record. This was a deal worked out by Rev Jackson in 1988. I voted for him that year...and now I wish I hadn't. I don't like all this business of weighted delegates...

If Hillary does not get the nomination, she should "explode" the Dem Party anyway possible - it has become dysfunctional and dangerous - it's her patriotic duty. The people "behind the curtain" who are manipulating Obama intend to make big changes in this country, but not the kind the vast majority of Americans want. The Clintons can form a new political party - Obama can have the AAs and the "eggheads". Obama and his real "handlers" are far too extreme and cannot be allowed to take over the country - that's why she works so hard and will not stop. It's about saving us from a terrible future.

is this conjecture Gordo or just more RightWingNut stuff you are trying to spread?

yo soy Horsedooty!

Dick Dick is that you?

Dick Morris: Election hinges on whether "we believe" Obama is "sort of a sleeper agent who really doesn't believe in our system"
http://mediamatters.org/items/200805080003

Obama open to Clinton as possible running mate

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080508/ts_nm/usa_politics_democrats_ticket_dc_1;_ylt=AmqcJKbXNyFHk3e4BmLxZgJh24cA

Warren Thank you for that most positive link. Obama was most gracious and he's smart too.

Hey

not so
I just know a good thing when I see it

Your one of my best recruiters.
Keep up the good work
Is that 4 or 5 people you've told to take a hike.
And I have only been here 2 days

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

"divided government" = broken government.

Are you happy with the two terms of George W. Bush? Somebody has to make up that 30% of the Country that still approves....

vote for McCain = vote for a 3rd term of Bush

how's that working out for us?

yo soy Horsedooty!

PugTroll,

Here is the difference between Patsi and you. Patsi is a part of this BLog Family, with all the imperfections. She is welcome here.

You are trying to cause hate and divide. If people here in this community want to listen to your adverts, they are very welcome.

But I'll call you for what you are. Someone who is actually trying to tear a community apart.

If you want to stay, that is your right. All are welcome here.

Rachel Maddow just made a statement which agreed
with something I've been thinking for a while.....she did a study of McCain's voting record and it lines up much closer to the "conservative" side of the GOP rather than to his "image" as a Maverick...combine that with his percieved weakness on economic issues, his support of the war in Iraq and lack of a comprehensive health care plan, the SCOTUS appointments he most certainly have, the only improvement I can see in a McCain Presidentcy and Bushes is there can't be a VP as bad as Cheney.

I think maybe there was hate and divide here quite some time before the Pugknowsus arrived here.......He's just reaping the benefits thereof.......

Amen Gidget.
Its a very scary proposition considering what is at stake this time.

Yes, but Sturg, Your family too. Even family members don't get along. But they don't get along on their own terms.

This Pugtroll is deliberately trying to make things worse and frankly, Patsi and I can take care of that ourselves. lol

Someone needs to get the Clinton campaign a proof-reader....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/m.s.-bellows/clintons-open-letter-to-o_b_100861.html

William Arnone, a long-time Democratic Party activist who worked with Robert F. Kennedy in 1967-68 has updated his July, 2007 and February, 2008 analysis (reprinted here) of "Key States in the 2008 Presidential Election."

The ten states are: Arkansas; Colorado; Florida; Iowa; Missouri; Nevada; New Mexico; North Carolina; Ohio; and Virginia.

With his permission, I reprint below his newest analysis, received yesterday, which also includes a thorough discussion of whether the Dems will keep Pennsylvania.
(link to the study)

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/2/27/14436/5367

http://www.talkleft.com/media/2008ElectoralVotePreliminaryPreview.pdf

This is an analysis of the electoral vote and why Clinton is the stronger candidate.

hate to say it but many members of the family haven't shown up for breakfast in quite some time........

They will be back and this to shall pass buddy!

Wow. So many people want to play games. I have a feeling many of the shots that are taken go right over my head, and I am SO glad. I'm not sure what the prize is in the game or when it is awarded, tho, but if it floats your boat, why not?

I hope Obama knows better than to name Hillary as his veep. I want Hillary to win, but if Obama does, he deserves the chance to show what he can do. Hillary si too active and busy and couldn't help but take attention away from him. He needs someone who will back him up, and give him gravitas - someone with experience and insider understanding. I don't know who that might be, but surely there are some who would be supportive but let him take the front role.

What are all the "talk" shows going to do when this race is over? Every show yesterday and today is about Hillary dropping out. If they are so sure its over ,have a show about what Obama is about, and what he's going to do. BTW Wolf looked positively starry -eyed today and Jack is about at the breaking point. Anyone see Mitt saying "he is a charming person (Obama) but what has he done? Brace yourselves. It is not going to be pretty.

Lynn C...

Obama did not turn down the Michigan proposal, however Hillary did.

I'm sure you can find plenty of links to confirm that.

God Bless.

Don't usually watch KO but he's reporting that Howard Wolfson is already shopping for a book deal. Very interesting........

Howard Wolfson is shopping for a book deal and so is Pati Solis Boyle.....so shocking. They could at least wait until the Primary is over and the nominee has been named. This does Clinton no good at all.

He can't do a book deal if she is going onto November....

"catcalls when she spoke of ending the Iraq war and, most difficult of all, the heckling of her daughter, Chelsea, who introduced her."

The new Democrats....I'm so proud.

Lynn C...

I apologize, I heard that the Obama campaign said they thought the deal was good and would more than likely accept it.

Just after I heard that it came out that Hillary said no to it. I'm still waiting to see the outcome of this.

God Bless.

Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun...

Thanks Sheila, I thought I was correct when I first commented to Lynn C that Obama accepted the deal, but then I was unable to find a link to verify it so I apologized in the next comment.

I'm still reading so back to the top again.

Take care my good friend and ...

God Bless.

I took some more pictures tonight. Some should eventually show up on my blog's slideshow. There is a picture of my dream car posted there right now. I wasn't feeling good the last couple of days , that's why I was gone. I'm feeling better tonight. Back to hockey. Night all.

Melanie-reg. What are all the "talk" shows going to do
I was thinking the same thing today. They talk about her non stop. It's weird. But I figure it's just their way of trying to get
rid of her.

Enough with the politics.

Good raffle prizes for doing a good deed

http://lifeisrantastic.blogspot.com/

I was just on Hillary's blog site.Everyone and there are a lot of them said they will vote for McCain if Hillary is not nominee.They are also urging her to run as independent.They are all angry at the treatment Hillary has been getting from the media and the Obama campaign.Angry too because the Obama people have been dismissing her supporters.I am one of those older less educated working class people that are being wrote off by Obama.
Ruth

Oh everybody is going to write a book. It just depends on how the story ends, to tell how much money they make.

There is another Obama book coming out soon. Don't know if he wrote it or some one else wrote it about him. Going to press soon, I've seen some of the proofs of the photo signature; other than that I just know it is on our press schedule.

Ruth,
His campaign actually said he doesn't need the working class and hispanics, that he's built a new coalition. So why should we vote for him.

painter...

No different than Hillary and Bill writing off the AA vote now when they campaign. Only you don't hear Obama saying what's wrong with Hillary, why can't she get the AA vote.

And also saying implying that Obama can't get the White vote even though he won in states with very little AA support.

Maybe those white votes were Hispanic and not truly White like the Republicans seem to think they are.

God Bless.

Craig, look forward to your talk tomorrow. A-P, Ping and anybody else going I look forward to meeting y'all!

h

Take a picture Jennbe!

JennBe...

I'm going straight from work tomorrow. I get off at 3 pm and will head down there as soon as I get off.

I'll be there more than likely around 4 pm or give or take 15 minutes.

See you there.

God Bless.

Democratic Elitists And Their Role In Hijacking The Democratic Party!

"...You create your own candidate from a blank slate...

Howard Dean and his far-left, wealthy, and elitist backers, expected the Clinton Campaign to fold after Super Tuesday. Supported by elitist endorsements, media friendly coverage of Obama, and the disenfranchisement of millions of Democratic voters nationwide, the elitist far-left has clearly shown that this election is not about working class America but rather about power."

http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/05/new-american-disenfranchisement.html

I definately will Sheila! I should be getting into Orlando around 4, I'll clean up and then head over to the Library.
Do I need to register for the event?

JennBe...

I don't think we have to register, but you never know. Just tell them your part of Craig's family and I'm sure they'll let you in.

Since I'm coming right from work I'll try to dress have way decent since I shouldn't be to messed up with the job I do.

And any pictures of me please don't pass around, except to Sheila at least. We have a three year relationship going now and since its secret we don't want the world to know. LOL...

God Bless.

LOL!!!

Should have read I'll try to dress half way decent, instead of "I'll try to dress have way decent"...

See what you did to me Sheila, couldn't even type right when I was thinking of mentioning you. LOL...LOL...LOL...

God Bless.

Ooo La La Anon-P lol

Would love to have a picture finally. ;0) We'll make arrangments if you guys do.

Sheila...

Your on for the family picture. You to JennBe.

God Bless.

You got it!!

v

Well almost time for Lost guys, have a good night!

Night Jennbe,

Yes time for a little Boobtube!

Hey, Lady,

You've got a lot of nerve calling me a troll.

You are the one who has been busy telling people to STFU and get out, when ever they don't follow the party line.
Laughing at your imperious behavior is just a natural reaction.
I mean,
Who died and made you in charge.

One more item. I will promote my candidate as I wish. Just as you do and if you don't like my Sig file then don't read it.

Please , put me on your little ignore button thing too.
That way I don't have to bother responding

Friends don't let friends vote the straight ticket
Vote for divided government.
Vote McCain

Here's a link about how Hillary and her supporters say all votes should count, including Michigan and Florida.

It ask why if your insisting that the states that broke the rules should count, but your willing to throw out all those states that Obama won if he has won the most states, most votes and most pledged delegates that the super delegates should then overturn the majority of the voters.

I guess all the votes don't count unless there favorable to Hillary and not Obama.

Read the post then answer the question the writer ask.

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2008/5/8/205455/4920

I would really like to know why some peoples votes count but others don't.

God Bless.

Gordo
That was some article!Everything seems to make sense now.I knew someone had ben grooming Obama.And it was pure genius to get an AA candidate so they could take a big chunk of Clinton supporters away from her.I've always been susprct of where all his money was really coming from.And I think someone must be writing his speeches too.Because when he has to speak without a script he stammers and stutters.This article needs to be put on Fox because CNN and MSNBC will never let it see the light of day
Ruth

painter --------------------

Yes, that is an extremely insightful article. It's odd that I came across it not long after my post of 6:00 PM. Wish everyone would read it and understand how this "game" is being played on a very high level. People should try to unplug themselves from "The Matrix".

divided government" = broken government
Warren
No, in fact times of divided government have been periods of remarkably good government

First from Your response, I see you need a definition of what I am advocating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divided_government

Notice in the chart from the link that in the past 30 years it was years of united government where we had poor goverance.

I was going to write an article explain why devided government is good government but someone else did a much better job that I can. So I will give the main points and give you a link

A Case for Divided Government
by William A. Niskanen

Point One. The rate of growth of real (inflation-adjusted) federal spending is usually lower with divided government

Point Two. The probability that a major reform will last is usually higher with a divided government because the necessity of bipartisan support is more likely to protect the reform against a subsequent change in the majority party.

Point Three. The prospect of a major war is usually higher with a united government, and the current war makes that clear.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3088

Friends don't let friends vote the straight ticket
Vote for divided government.
Vote McCain

Pugnacious;

Troll (Internet)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wikipedia:What is a troll?

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.[2

Seems to me that maybe you were not aware? In any case, Patsi and I have known each other for quite a while. We are both tenacious and we are both a member of this community.

Never said you weren't welcome here. I welcome it and your input.

If you want to recruit Patsi or anyone else for McCain. I personally don't have a qualm. I believe in free will. Just don't use my words to inject division here.

STOP that.

In a democracy, the elections should go to the end, whatever the end is.

If it's Obama, I'll vote for him. But to have her quit now, is ridiculous. It's un-American, I tell ya.

tt

I believe Gordo is mostly right about things, mostly. If that makes me sound like a conspiracy theorist, it's because I am. Politicians all, are liars and thieves and the trick is to try and outguess the Vegas odds, and pick the best of a bad bunch, but she says," hold her accountable," well why not? Unless your against peace and prosperity, image rebuilding and doing something for the low man on the totem pole, well why not? The image of the first lady used to matter, that, mouthy, arrogant old lady of BO's makes me shudder. To think of him and her representing the strongest nation in the world - visualize - going from no class idiocy(Bush) to no class arrogance(the Obamas). At least Hillary and Bill had friends around the world, even if the friends weren't part of the American press. I mean really, campaigning on the House floor today is either boorish or desperate to end this thing before she wins the next 3. You go Girl!!!!

What is a Billion?
A million here and a million there.

It's Very Taxing
Taxes

http://patterns2.blogspot.com/

tt

Gotta go as my Verizon Upload speed is 48 kbps and the Download is 84. That is k's and NOT m's. It's ridiculous. It's taking forever. http://speedtest.net/

tt

"Just don't use my words to inject division here"

LOL,

See Lady
I know how to use those internet words too.

From what I've seen the last 2 days
I can't possibly use your words to inject division. You've already done it, many times.
I believe this is what is called a "pissing contest"
So , I quit,
That makes you the winner!!!

Friends don't let friends vote the straight ticket
Vote for divided government.
Vote McCain

Friends don't let friends destroy the Supreme Court!
Vote Democrat in 2008!

This is a new intro to posting a comment. I don't know what name they require, but I just lost a comment. I'm checking to see if this goes thru. Will we have to go thru this security check every time now?

Actually, tiptoe, it's 500-million here and 500-million there. Or, put another way, if Stinky gave me a $1000 per day allowance, it would take about 3,000-years for me to spend it. And, that's with no interest.

Pugnacious, you have a way with words. And many of them are true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luQhAc6RNqI

Bettyboo-
If you sign up for type key you won't have the sercurity thingie.
~Gidget

" you want to recruit Patsi or anyone else for McCain. I personally don't have a qualm."

Please stop throwing my name around. Especially since unlike some, I have never helped a Republican get elected POTUS......

Corey, Ozzie stood on his head and the boys were at it again as they hammered Dallas. What an a**-kicking! I am wearing nothing but Red Wings gear until this is over, and of course I have my playoff beard going. You?

Hillary had a packed rally in Central Point Oregon tonight.

People love a fighter. I stand with Hillary 100%.

Need to get some sleep soon. then back to campaigning.

Kind of like you loved those big winners, Reagan and "W".....

Gidget - I have signed into typekey. I've never seen this other thing before today.

"broken government" = politicians acting like lawyers on opposite side of a case. They seek to destroy the other side's credibility and ideas.

And somehow doing the people's business gets lost in the shuffle.

(Litigation is a zero-sum game - politics should not be.)

Good night.

Didn't I see a little while ago some really ugly comments? I don't see them now. Pretty horrible.

Wow, I read that NYT article and the Clintons can only go until WV and they're done. It takes one million a day to run a campaign and even then you're on fumes. My guess? All this talk about June 3rd is a smoke screen. She'll be out next week after winning West Virginia. She'll be broke. And by the way, wait until the media gets ahold of all those "working class" vendors who are owed money by Billary. That will be huge news cycle that will continue to move the narrative of Billary being done. It's time to bring the party together.

Friends don't let friends destroy the Supreme Court!
Vote Democrat in 2008!

BTW, it will be that meeting of fundraisers who will give her the word to quit. You can have every scenario under the sun, but if you ain't got cash, you're done.

RE: Hillary:

Wikipedia confirms that she was a Republican and then changed to the Democratic Party while still at school. The change was due to Civil Rights and the Vietnam War.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Geez man read her book ... she said so herself that she grew up Republican !! I think 40 plus years as a Democrat should count for something... !!!

BYE BYE, just a comment... Continuing to insult Bill and Hillary by using the name BILLARY is not going to help in your high-minded comment "It's time to bring the party together." If you really want to bring the party together you should know that using the BILLARY moniker is a slap in the face to most of her supporters. I urge you to consider a positive nick that is not so "nyah nyah nyah". As it stands now, the more I read here, the angrier I get at the Obama candidacy. I am forcing myself to support him, but the more I read here, the more I feel like throwing up my arms and saying "to hell with it"...

Clinton can't win. So what's her game? Does she want something from Obama (help with her debt, VP, supreme court, etc)?

I think she's already running for 2012, on the assumption that Obama will lose. She will get out of the race when she feels she has positioned herself properly.

A few more primary wins would be nice, followed by a graceful exit with everyone (even Obama) praising her.

Posted by: nash | May 8, 2008 9:56 AM

Actually Nash, I think this is the first time I've agreed with something you said. I do think this makes sense. Thank you for your even-leveled comment!

Anyone else up now? I was just noticing that Obama's main secret service guy looks an awful lot like Ashton Kutcher.

"BYE BYE, just a comment... Continuing to insult Bill and Hillary by using the name BILLARY is not going to help in your high-minded comment "It's time to bring the party together." "

Tom -- I was just thinking the same thing. This is a good example of what I mean when I say that some O-people here have abusive personalities. They think you can be "cyber beat" into agreeing with them.