Tarheel Showdown

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It is speech night in North Carolina. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama are both on stage for the state party’s Jefferson-Jackson Dinner.

 

Watch live now on C-SPAN or on C-SPAN.org

8:30-10:00 PM EST, May 2
(Re-airs at 12:00 AM EST)

 

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  1. Zot.

    Posted by: sturgeone | May 2, 2008 8:41 PM

  2. well there ya go, HRC said at the top she'd "work her heart out" for Obama if he's the nominee

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 8:47 PM

  3. Tuned in. She is really hitting her stride. Speaking strong without screeching.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 8:51 PM

  4. don't think Obama on yet, bunch of down ballot candidates on before HRC, assuming he's on next

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 8:51 PM

  5. She's fired up.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 8:52 PM

  6. My comment didn't get approved , by the way. I just checked.

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 8:53 PM

  7. Is she hoping for an Edwards endorsement or will she settle for Elizabeth coming out strong?

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 8:53 PM

  8. ah, the obligatory john edwards salute

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 8:53 PM

  9. Not much left for him to talk about except Rev Wright.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 8:54 PM

  10. How do they determine the order of speaking? simple coin toss or lottery deal?

    Posted by: sturgeone | May 2, 2008 8:54 PM

  11. and now the obligatory elizabeth edwards salute

    so far no direct shots at obama

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 8:54 PM

  12. Neither Clinton or Obama has said what they will do about the mercenaries - Blackwater etc.. Has anyone asked?

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 8:56 PM

  13. wait, she invited republicans to join her campaign and then blames them for the sound glitch

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 8:56 PM

  14. I didn't know there were any Edwards folk left? I thought they all went the Obama way.

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 8:58 PM

  15. They aren't voting in the primary are they? : )

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 8:58 PM

  16. here's the speaking order (4,000 in attendance for an event that was originally planned for 500):

    "Gov candidate State Sen. Kay Hagan, speaks after Clinton. She'll be followed by gubernatorial candidate State Treasurer Richard Moore and remarks from Gov. Mike Easley. Presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama will be last to the lectern."

    http://www.wral.com/news/local/politics/story/2823809/

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 8:59 PM

  17. tell it, sister........

    Posted by: sturgeone | May 2, 2008 9:00 PM

  18. Craig,

    Is the Dream Team back on?

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 9:03 PM

  19. There she goes again injecting race! LOL!

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 9:03 PM

  20. Jamie: I believe that I heard Clinton say that she was going to ban the private contractors in Iraq. Could be wrong on this...just going from what I remember.

    Posted by: Ally Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 9:05 PM

  21. i believe hillary intends to stomp on a BUNCH of republican games.......

    Posted by: sturgeone | May 2, 2008 9:07 PM

  22. "Craig, Is the Dream Team back on? -- Posted by: Jamie"

    i never thought it was off, jamie. they just gotta work out the order

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 9:08 PM

  23. Ally,

    That would literally wipe out half of the forces in Iraq. Bush has been milking the American public to pay off his buddies in more ways than one. The Army trains them and Blackwater hires them at four times the salary and the U.S. Government pays for it all.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 9:08 PM

  24. Well...let me to some checking. I thought that was what she said.

    Posted by: Ally Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 9:10 PM

  25. i wonder if clinton campaign wouldn't let c-span do open mike in this part. c-span usually does that unless the campaign says no

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 9:10 PM

  26. It should be Clinton/Obama but if not then Obama deserves to have his choice of VP. If he takes the nomination then a good way to get away from her would be a promise of the first Supreme Court nomination. The Senate would give her a swift confirmation and she would give Scalia hell.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 9:11 PM

  27. If she really wanted to straighten out america she'd come down here and hire me to make her some cabinets......THAT would put the good old USA on the right track, by golly........

    Posted by: sturgeone | May 2, 2008 9:11 PM

  28. Ally
    to ban private contractors would take a reorganization of our military.
    They are integrated into everything they do. The same applies to the State department. It's a dirty little secret that nobody is talking about.

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack | May 2, 2008 9:12 PM

  29. 3 more speakers before Obama -- Gov. Easley last one before him

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 9:14 PM

  30. Sounds like she called for a ban...but a little late:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeremy-scahill/hillary-vs-obama-who-is_b_92171.html

    Posted by: Ally Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 9:14 PM

  31. Sturg: We need kitchen cabinets and built-ins in Iowa...

    Posted by: Ally Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 9:16 PM

  32. not a problem......I go anywhere........(but it'd probably cost less from a guy in Iowa.........)

    Posted by: sturgeone | May 2, 2008 9:18 PM

  33. Have adze.....will travel.

    Posted by: sturgeone | May 2, 2008 9:20 PM

  34. You're probably right but Iowa is one of those places where it is next to impossible to find craftsmen. Just FYI.

    Posted by: Ally Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 9:21 PM

  35. fyi, Easley does the most amazing Hank Hill impersonation, i ask him to do it every time i see him

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 9:21 PM

  36. Mr. Fish

    There really should be a program to support and encourage artisans. Even Japan has its "Living Legends" who are paid simply to create what is beautiful because beauty is valuable. England is doing the same to bring back the old arts of cabinet making and woodwork.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 9:23 PM

  37. He's squeaking........

    Posted by: sturgeone | May 2, 2008 9:24 PM

  38. Craig

    (smiling) Who is Hank Hill?

    Julie

    Posted by: Julie - Young 73 | May 2, 2008 9:25 PM

  39. background from CQ on the NC senate race:

    State Sen. Kay Hagan appears to be in a strong position against the other top Democrat, businessman Jim Neal. A survey released Monday by Public Policy Polling indicated that Hagen leads Neal 36 percent to 8 percent. And according to the candidates’ pre-primary filings with the Federal Election Commission, as of April 16, Hagen had spent more than three times as much money as Neal ($1.2 million to $349,000) on the race.

    Both candidates, however, trail significantly behind Dole, who raised $6.7 million as of April 16, has spent $3.8 million so far and maintains strong approval ratings. Dole’s sole GOP opponent, Peter Di Lauro, has not filed campaign finance reports with the FEC and is not expected to present a challenge in the primary.

    http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docid=news-000002716257

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 9:25 PM

  40. just as well the sound went out for Easley -- poor guy losing his voice

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 9:28 PM

  41. Julie be nice. I want to see him do it. : )

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 9:28 PM

  42. If she carries it like this all the way thru she may unseat dole...

    Posted by: sturgeone | May 2, 2008 9:34 PM

  43. Michael Savage led off his radio show tonight with a clip from Obama's new pastor - Otis Moss III. He is more trouble for Obama if this story gets traction in MSM.

    http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/05/vp-madness-is-here.html#comment-75841

    Posted by: GORDO | May 2, 2008 9:36 PM

  44. Max has pounded the nutso right wing slander of Obama, Ayers and the Woods Fund. Here is a well written article explaining what and who the Woods Fund is and their connection to both Obama and Ayers.

    http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080519/berman

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack | May 2, 2008 9:37 PM

  45. oh boy.....ruby red slippers and home to kansas.......ZING

    Posted by: sturgeone | May 2, 2008 9:38 PM

  46. CQ on NC gov race (current speaker is Moore):

    "Both parties are locked in tight battles for the open-seat gubernatorial race, but fundraising totals bear out the strong motivation among Democrats to retain the seat from Gov. Michael F. Easley , who cannot run again due to term limits.

    Democratic Treasurer Richard Moore and Lt. Gov. Beverly Perdue (no relation to Georgia Gov. Sonny Perdue ) each have raised more money than four of their Republican opponents combined, according to the candidates’ reports to the North Carolina Board of Elections.

    Polling indicates Perdue holds a comfortable lead over Moore, but the margin has narrowed in recent weeks.

    Perdue reported raising $8.3 million and has spent $7.5 million while Moore reported raising $8.1 million and has spent $8.2 million as of April 19, the date of the most recent campaign finance reports. State Sen. Fred Smith led the Republican field but raised less than half as much — $3.5 million as of April 19 — while seven-term Charlotte Mayor Pat McCrory reported raising $1.2 million. The two other major candidates, businessman Bill Graham and former state Supreme Court Justice Bob Orr, trailed with $370,000 and $304,000 respectively."

    http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docid=news-000002716257

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 9:43 PM

  47. Obama should be next

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 9:47 PM

  48. "recent photo" Another Botox leak case. : )

    Remember 25 years ago when she was somewhat at her height. She would start speaking (which she does well) and all the women recognized her for what she was and all the men had their tongues on the floor. Oh well, Huffington had to learn from someone.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 9:48 PM

  49. i love the announce, sounds like WWE Monday Night Raw

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 9:49 PM

  50. is his hair graying, or is that the lighting?

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 9:50 PM

  51. Okay. Gotta give it to him. He is growing into the "Presidential Look". Let's see how the speech goes.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 9:51 PM

  52. geez, he has to read the names of his congressional supporters

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 9:52 PM

  53. Reminder:

    Fox News/Greta Van Susteran: 10 p.m. ET--- John Murtagh. He was 9 years old when the Weather Underground tried to kill him and his family on February 21, 1970

    Posted by: GORDO | May 2, 2008 9:52 PM

  54. Small aggravation quibble because it makes me do the fingernails on the blackboard screech every time he does it: Would it kill him to learn to say "To" instead of "Ta"?

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 9:53 PM

  55. Re: Dole

    They must all go to the same doc, for the tucks and lifts. There is a certain "Washington look" to the overall appearance, as opposed to the " LA look."

    Scary, but seems to be acceptable and the norm.

    It's like pro sport coaches, they all have the same hair, "coach hair" ...except Pat Reilly (of coarse)

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 9:53 PM

  56. Oh good God! There is no fierce urgency and he is not Dr. King.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 9:55 PM

  57. will be interesting to see if he returns the favor to HRC's statement in her speech here that she'll "work her heart out" for Obama if he's the nominee

    also listening to see if he takes any shots at her -- didn't hear her take any at him

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 9:56 PM

  58. Burrito: Tip to Fans of Botox: Must stop when eyebrows creep up to middle of forehead.

    Posted by: Ally Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 9:57 PM

  59. Burrito,

    There are two "Washington Wives" looks: The old first wife ones are the "blond bitch" and the young trade in ones are the "lemon tarts".

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 9:57 PM

  60. Craig,

    He will take some "snarky" shot at her because that is what he does and it is what makes her supporters keep from warming up to him.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:00 PM

  61. He says "the change is specific" and then goes on to offer more "change" talk........bah......

    Posted by: sturgeone | May 2, 2008 10:00 PM

  62. "we are going to be united in the fall. this party will come together. if hillary clinton were the nominee i will support her in a heart beat."

    there, that's what i was lookin for. he returned the favor

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:01 PM

  63. geez does he just steal every good thing HIllary says or what???

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:01 PM

  64. Okay I was wrong. They are ironing it out behind the scenes.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:02 PM

  65. george w bush wont be on the ballot? well, that's one way to defeat bush......he can't run........

    Posted by: sturgeone | May 2, 2008 10:02 PM

  66. Don't do the "single mom" bit. I guess it works for those who don't know his history, but it isn't real.

    Okay: Guilty: Too much insider baseball.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:06 PM

  67. interesting how Hillary said she'd "work her heart out" for him and he said he'd work for her "in a heart beat"

    really does suggest behind-the-scenes choreography

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:07 PM

  68. Is it just me or is he using his big arena rallying voice for an audience that doesn't need it? I missed Clinton speaking.

    Posted by: templestark Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:07 PM

  69. lol Ally....eye brows in the forehead...Did you know in studies on mice they have found that the botox is seeping into their brains....seriously....

    Lemon tarts - and blonde bitches - That has got to be one tough town !

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:07 PM

  70. perhaps poll driven harmony.....?

    Posted by: sturgeone | May 2, 2008 10:08 PM

  71. Craig-
    Either the campaign has been more stressful than he lets on, or the Wright fiasco is really eating at him or he has no time to get his "rinse" but when I saw him in SF a month ago, his hair was primarily black.
    ~Gidget
    Go Col. John!

    Posted by: Gidget Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:09 PM

  72. Obama just said he has been campaigning for 15 months....then next paragraph he says "politicians don't get anything done they just worry about getting elected"

    I wonder if he proof read his speech?

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:09 PM

  73. ok, so he took a not-so-veiled shot at her on the gas tax holiday

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:10 PM

  74. Usually does help to get elected...

    Posted by: Ally Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:11 PM

  75. "Yes we can" oh, shut up.

    Posted by: sturgeone | May 2, 2008 10:12 PM

  76. my rule for primary-eve JJ speeches is that the one slamming is the one who's most worried

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:13 PM

  77. Burrito

    "That has got to be one tough town "

    It is a man's town. Not much has changed from a hundred plus years ago when there were more than 25 brothels between the White House and the Capitol.

    Most of the wives are in the home states, and the interns are at the ready and the boys are in hiding but everyone knows where they are.

    You get over your illusions very, very rapidly.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:19 PM

  78. Nick-
    When you firgure it out, let me know! (Please)
    ~Gidget

    Posted by: Gidget Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:20 PM

  79. he's much more on the attack then she was -- a sign of troubling internals this close to voting day

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:21 PM

  80. Damn it. Talk about aggravating. She would be the best President. He should be President in training and we just could get stuck with him before he is ready.

    It is now in your hands NC - VOTE HILLARY

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:23 PM

  81. Nick

    Me Too!

    Julie

    Posted by: Julie Young 73 | May 2, 2008 10:24 PM

  82. geez, when you say you had to remind your own staff what your campaign is about, that is trouble

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:25 PM

  83. Oh Oh! Self Pity. Not a good sign.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:25 PM

  84. Well Craig, to hear the media tell it, going on the "attack" works.

    Posted by: Ally Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:25 PM

  85. I'm going to attack another beer...............he's wearing me out...........

    Posted by: sturgeone | May 2, 2008 10:27 PM

  86. I noticed the gray also, Gidget.

    If Obama wants to regulate incomes of executives, I do not understand how he thinks he can accomplish this task of over- riding the stockholders of a public traded company.

    He'll get absolutely no where with a privately held company.

    I think that is "executive salary talk " is just sound bite bait for the lower income worker.

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:28 PM

  87. oh don't get me wrong, Ally, i am not saying that attacking her won't work -- it just tells me he's worried

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:28 PM

  88. But will it be coined "The Low Road to Victory" when he does it?

    Posted by: Ally Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:29 PM

  89. I've never heard him quite so frantic...it's a little unsettling in your supposed front runner...
    ~Gidget

    Posted by: Gidget Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:29 PM

  90. Great campaign song no matter what you think of him


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inXC_lab-34

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:30 PM

  91. signed, sealed, delivered? interesting song choice

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:30 PM

  92. i thought it was one very long purple patch........

    Posted by: sturgeone | May 2, 2008 10:30 PM

  93. Julie --------------------------------

    There is some evidence that Clinton was less enthusiastic about NAFTA than her husband. Two of her biographers, Carl Bernstein and Sally Bedell Smith, said that she was wary about pushing NAFTA because of its potential to interfere with her attempts to get her health plan through Congress, a much higher priority for her. According to Bedell Smith, "Hillary was really prepared to try and kill NAFTA."

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/26/AR2008022603555.html

    Posted by: GORDO | May 2, 2008 10:31 PM

  94. You can't go wrong with Stevie. Ever.

    Posted by: Ally Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:31 PM

  95. Craig & Jamie.
    I apologize if you thought I was not being nice.
    Thought Hank Hill was a politician I should have recognized. googled it after no one would answer. I have never ever seen the Hill show or Beavis & Butthead.

    Julie

    Posted by: Julie Young 73 | May 2, 2008 10:33 PM

  96. Only in America is a more pandering song choice.
    ~G

    Posted by: Gidget Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:34 PM

  97. " "executive salary talk " is just sound bite bait for the lower income worker"

    Burrito, It can also work as a "shame" tactic. If the Bully Pulpit known as the presidency starts pointing out the most egregious and flagrant "golden parachutes" or salaries, the corporations could start wilting.

    It is only the fact that they all sit on each other boards that has driven up the CEO salaries and it is rediculous that the top 1/10th or 1 percent make as much as the bottom 50% of earners. Someone has to say SHAME SHAME SHAME

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:35 PM

  98. LOL
    that is a weird song choice

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack | May 2, 2008 10:36 PM

  99. well i don't know if i'm just used to him or what, but that wasn't as powerful as his Iowa JJ speech, which was one of the best i've ever heard from any politician. it's almost as if he's getting tired of his own words. cant understand why they don't give him more new material

    Hillary is definitely "most improved" since the early days, but this format not her strength. still, she had a lot more specifics and seemed much more comfortable

    that's a wrap, that was fun. on to my DVD of No Country for Old Men (oh my, how i hate that title)

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:37 PM

  100. Thanks Gordo

    John Murtagh the fellow who Ayers group tried to blow up his family. Father was a Judge hering their case. is on Greta Van Susteran now.

    Julie

    Posted by: Julie Young 73 | May 2, 2008 10:37 PM

  101. Maybe the attack is that Obama wants to end it. "Close the deal" as they say. Show he's tough enough to go against McCain. Or maybe he is worried. Can't say.

    Posted by: frank | May 2, 2008 10:38 PM

  102. Sounds like begging for votes

    STEVIE WONDER LYRICS

    "Signed, Sealed, Delivered"

    Like a fool I went and stayed too long
    Now I'm wondering if your love's still strong
    Oo, baby, here I am, signed, sealed, delivered, I'm yours!

    Then that time I went and said goodbye
    Now I'm back and not ashamed to cry
    Oo, baby, here I am, signed, sealed, delivered, I'm yours!

    Here I am baby
    Signed, Sealed, Delivered, I'm yours
    (You got my future in your hands)
    Here I am baby
    Signed, Sealed, Delivered, I'm yours
    (You got my future in your hands)

    I've done a lot of foolish things
    That I really didn't mean, didn't I?

    Seen a lot of things in this old world
    When I touch them, they mean nothing, girl
    Oo, baby, here I am, signed, sealed, delivered, I'm yours!

    Oowee baby, you set my soul on fire
    That's why I know you're my heart's only desire

    Here I am baby
    Signed, Sealed, Delivered, I'm yours
    (You got my future in your hands)
    Here I am baby
    Signed, Sealed, Delivered, I'm yours
    (You got my future in your hands)

    Posted by: Sung by the Desperatos | May 2, 2008 10:38 PM

  103. Julie

    Not a problem We were all laughing at the reference.

    Even those like myself who seldom see the show unless something wakes me at a rediculous hour.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:39 PM

  104. thanks, CC.........

    Posted by: sturgeone | May 2, 2008 10:39 PM

  105. Craig: I literally just finished watching No Country for Old Men about 10 minutes ago. I didn't like it nearly as much as Fargo, which surprised me. All of my friends LOVED it and said it was just as good as Fargo, if not better. For me, Frances McDormand is a pretty tough act to follow. She's da bomb.

    Posted by: Ally Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:40 PM

  106. btw, those speeches are supposed to re-air on c-span at midnight: http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/schedule.csp

    nite all, and as always, thanks for being here

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:41 PM

  107. This song is so funny,

    " I've done a lot of foolish things ....oooo baby. "


    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:42 PM

  108. It seemed to me as if HRC's speech was Bill Clinton 1992. All aimed at the middle class . Education, middle class tax cut, health care and on and on.

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack | May 2, 2008 10:44 PM

  109. Julie,
    I just googled Hank Hill too, because of your comment....I laughed out loud. I thought the same thing you did.....lol

    That he was someone at least "real"...lol

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:44 PM

  110. oops, i meant to say thanks for being THERE: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078841/

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:45 PM

  111. Jack: Maybe so. And those are the same messages she has been driving home since the first stump speech I saw her give on July 3, 2007 at the University of Iowa and then again on July 4, 2007 in Cedar Rapids. And then many additional times throughout Iowa the rest of the year.

    Posted by: Ally Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:47 PM

  112. Good Night all. This lady is off to ogle Moonlight in about an hour.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:49 PM

  113. My last comment was eaten...I can't think that hard again so I offer this - the moon is 8% of full tonight .

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 10:59 PM

  114. I think I could find fault in the way Obama breathes, if I had to.

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 11:06 PM

  115. I didn't bother watching his (although I did DVR it). Figured if there was something unusual or worthwhile, it would be noted here and I would go back and look at it. (Time markers would be helpful.)

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 11:07 PM

  116. Everyone on this blog needs to realize that having the different opinions is what makes it interesting and fun. If we all thought exactly alike this would absolutely be a total bore.

    So, I for one, am thankful for the opposing viewpoints.

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 11:09 PM

  117. THE 'COJONES' PRIMARY - WHERE CLINTON IS STOMPING OBAMA

    "A Fox News poll released Wednesday found that 61 percent of Democrats describe Clinton as "tough," but only 23 percent say that about Obama.

    The boys are swooning. The president of an Indiana steelworkers local union introduced Clinton as the "individual with [the] testicular fortitude" to deal with the nation's problems.

    In his endorsement of Clinton, North Carolina Gov. Mike Easley enthused, "This lady right here makes Rocky Balboa look like a pansy." In an ad, the governor gushes more: "She is so resilient, so determined. She knows how to deliver."

    After the ABC debate, National Review Online's Jim Geraghty wrote of her: "I like the cut of your jib, senator. It's like watching a linebacker perfectly execute a blitz and flatten a quarterback from the blind side. It's brutal, and tough to watch when it's your guy being hit, but it's within the rules and almost artistic when it's perfectly executed."

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/05022008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/the_cojones_primary_109131.htm

    Posted by: GORDO | May 2, 2008 11:18 PM

  118. Craig,

    being THERE

    Does this mean that your acolytes walk on water? : )

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 11:20 PM

  119. ah, jamie, you get it -- "Life is a state of mind"

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 11:22 PM

  120. Read all this up to here. Very interesting stuff.

    tt

    Posted by: tiptoe Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 11:25 PM

  121. d

    Posted by: painter Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 11:36 PM

  122. All supporters of one or the other candidate are not all the same. I hope as we get into the general there will be McCain supporters here as well, not because I want him to have support, but it would be interesting to hear how and what they think.

    How can there ever be peace if everyone wants to disrespect differences?

    Think about the middle east, they aren't arguing over political choices, they are fighting over death, and money, rights, injustice, and land. And we expect them to somehow find a peaceful resolution....

    .

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 11:38 PM

  123. There's a big mirror facing us square on, I just hope eventually we will all be able to see.

    side note: I have early spring garden photos on my blog. : )
    pretty colors weeeee

    night all & peaceful thoughts

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | May 2, 2008 11:45 PM

  124. Wouldn't it be something if McCain showed up for the Sunday , This week, show with Hillary? It is said he is taking the weekend off in Arizona..
    It would sure help her and undercut Obama. just wishful thinking.

    Julie

    Posted by: Julie Young 73 | May 3, 2008 12:20 AM

  125. So you all thought you would escape the reply to the comments left in the wake of my post about Obama's conservative mother.

    Let us be honest for just a moment. Obama did portray his mother as conservative, yes? We are all clear about that as he elevated his mother and her conservative nature in his appeal to Iowa. In what sense does OBAMA use the word conservative here? Is this actually the twisting of the meaning to hide the opposite of conservative? Isn't this exactly what many here object to, that Obama is disingenuous? Doesn't he do this when taking no objections to LINK being a "moderate" bunch of people his church affiliates with? Or that Moss is a fine preacher? Link is hardly moderate and Moss defends Wright. Or don't you give a crap?

    Flatus, the NYT made mention that ANN was not ever drawn to white boys with short hair. What exactly do you think my McCarthyism is based on, this fact? That I posted an article that summarizes several other articles about Ann Dunham, but takes issue with characterizing her as conservative?

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004334057_obama08m.html

    Mercer High School...give me a break. Tell me what was wrong in the article I posted. And Ann's friends know exactly what she was chasing in life and it wasn't conservative in the least. So how was that post I left in the last thread a lie? What documents were produced to confirm she married Obama Sr.? Did he pay child support? Why did he leave and what political theories did he believe? And her next husband wasn't a white guy either, so are you suggesting she wasn't drawn to non-white men her whole life, that she had no inclination towards communism? Now none of this is a crime, but to cast his own mother as a simple conservative white woman is the typical BS we have come to know issuing from Obama. This kind of fictionalizing one's entire life goes way beyond Bosnian sniper fire.

    So you all tell me what was so disturbing about the article on Obama's mother. That is wasn't true? Point out the factual errors, or are we to give Obama a free pass when he twists the truth and nails Hillary to the cross about her Goldwater inclinations or her assistance to the Black Panthers...LOL? I thought you all were so determined to let facts trump spin. Why the hell do you think Obama's father was communistically inclined, because he too was a conservative? Why do you think Frank Davis came to be Obama's first mentor, because he was a conservative capitalist? Are you saying that from day one, Obama wasn't exposed to about as left an education you can get, mother, father, early mentor. The poor kid was indoctrinated. And look what he says NOW about his mother's role in shaping his views. And he says the same for Wright. He mentions Davis's influence, not JFK or the Pope. These are the figures OBAMA says shaped him, gave him direction and spiritual knowledge. Sorry if I find this a bad joke. Two atheists and a preacher who believes Jesus was a Black Palestinian.

    So when someone says what the media is too afraid to explore, some suggest I am McCarthy. I thought truth trumps fear. I am not afraid of what really influenced Obama, but obviously he has gone to great lengths with the support of media to hide who his mentors really were and what they believed. Their views are not criminal or perverse (well most Americans would not like reading some of Davis's poetry, especially the one about Jesus being an N-word)), but Obama has created a fiction to hide facts because HE IS afraid Americans will not like what HE said most informed him. They certainly are not happy with Wright. And they are not going to be pleased to learn more about his mother after Obama has spun her as conservative after bascially throwing his grandma under the bus, before he threw his wacko preacher of a mentor.

    Posted by: Maxtrue | May 3, 2008 12:28 AM

  126. Max..I enjoy your postings. I don't always agree with everything, but they are thought provoking.

    Posted by: Oregon Democrat | May 3, 2008 1:09 AM

  127. Did Reverend Wright actually say that Obama will say whatever it takes to get elected?

    Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | May 3, 2008 2:06 AM

  128. Rev. Wright basically said that Obama says what he has to say because he is a politiian.

    The implication was that Obama agrees with Wright.

    I think Wright is a nut.

    It is unfortunate, whatever qualities Obama has, he is unelectable in November.

    Posted by: Oregon Democrat | May 3, 2008 2:14 AM

  129. Time to go to bed. We are going door to door for Hillary in the morning.

    Posted by: Oregon Democrat | May 3, 2008 2:55 AM

  130. Just watching Mr Obama's J&J speech on c-span. When he starts the rapid blinking does that mean he's equivocating? As an example, when he says he doesn't take money from lobbyists or special interests.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | May 3, 2008 6:40 AM

  131. Equivocating? I have no idea. I haven't see the speech, but I don't find Obama convincing at all. I have too many doubts about this guy.

    This reminds me of a Rolling Stone article that Hunter Thompson wrote about Jimmy Carter when he was first running. The title was something like Jimmy Carter's Law Day Speech and the Great Leap of Faith. Thompson basically endorsed Carter in that article. Well Carter is a nice man but was a mediocre president. It seems like so many are making a great leap of faith about Obama without really examining his competencies and his background.

    Posted by: Bowmanc Author Profile Page | May 3, 2008 7:54 AM

  132. "It seems like so many are making a great leap of faith about Obama without really examining his competencies and his background."

    I can't agree more. The competencies thing hasn't been explored at all; the background is now being explored, to the dismay of many.

    After I wrote my comment with the remark about not taking money from lobbyists, et al., I sat down at the breakfast table and found this article in this morning's Journal:
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120977495306264221.html?mod=special_page_campaign2008_topbox

    It shows that Mr Obama, during the first quarter, outstripped Mrs Clinton and Mr McCain in contributions from the groups he says he doesn't take money from.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | May 3, 2008 8:11 AM

  133. Good morning everyone.

    Flatus, the WSJ article seems to have a POV that Obama is being legitimized with these corporate donations. But like you, I thought about how his campaign touts his small donations, no corporates, etc. as if he is some how the purer candidate, when the opposite is true. Is Obama a fraud?

    Posted by: Divalicias | May 3, 2008 8:39 AM

  134. Jamie (this is off the subject but relevant to the day)
    You crawdads are too damn nice to newbies like me. Why didn't someone correct me on Monba? He's
    not Cuban. Gayego is! And after making a fool of myself waxing poetic in pidgeon espanol.
    What do I do now: switch to the nostalgic choice tho he's not going to win (poor post position)? reject and renounce? Better yet, go with the filly..she'll work her heart out and she used to the mud.
    Go Eight Belles Go!

    Posted by: patd | May 3, 2008 8:47 AM

  135. Yes, my bets are on the filly too -- Eight Belles all the way! Today is a great day for races -- Virginia Gold Cup
    http://www.vagoldcup.com/vgc.htm
    and the Baltimore Kinetic Sculpture Race http://www.kineticbaltimore.com/

    Posted by: Divalicias | May 3, 2008 9:00 AM

  136. Good morning all. I hope I made my point last night despite those awful typos. Now imagine Obama starting off his autobiography with "My mother was a communist that prefered living abroad and dating non-whites, my father was also a communist and left when I was five, my first mentor was a communist and wrote some horrible poetry....."

    The truth would scare the crap out of America. Now I am partial to unconventional people and Obama could have explained his life's influences. He could have dealt with them head on, but he prefered to bury the facts, filter them and dress them up in books designed to be the guide for his Presidential campaign. He then tried to influence voters calling his mom, conservative. The real audacity is that he thought "we the people", even us LIberal ones would not look beyond his phony declarations. He takes us for fools and calls vetting a distraction.

    The hieght of his arrogance and his wife's is that such distractions they claim, are hurting us people and our dreams, hope and future, by derailing his campaign. This is where the Messiah BS comes in. Well Senator Obama, elections put candidates on trial, not the other way around. This race is about YOUR character, YOUR record and history, YOUR associations and policies, not whether the people are being unfair to examine YOU.

    I am astounded that everywhere you turn, Obama's autobiography, his claims about his record and funding, his associates and mentors, his policies when vetted against his past declarations, one finds contradictions, lies and deflections. This is what makes him unqualified for office, not whether his mother or dad were actually communists. HE has destroyed his own credibility in attempts to win the WH by selling himself. That was the point in rehashing the life of Ann Dunham, not that a father, mother and mentor inevitably shape a person. We all still possess the capacity to move beyond our environment and seek to remake ourselves. The subsequent track record of Obama however, is quite weak.

    The only thing silly would be for us to ignore Obama's profound and troubling disingenunity until he and Pelosi reveal the extent of we the people have allowed through our lack of seeking the truth.

    Go Colnel John

    Posted by: Maxtrue | May 3, 2008 9:16 AM

  137. Good morning all. I hope I made my point last night despite those awful typos. Now imagine Obama starting off his autobiography with "My mother was a communist that prefered living abroad and dating non-whites, my father was also a communist and left when I was five, my first mentor was a communist and wrote some horrible poetry....."

    The truth would scare the crap out of America. Now I am partial to unconventional people and Obama could have explained his life's influences. He could have dealt with them head on, but he prefered to bury the facts, filter them and dress them up in books designed to be the guide for his Presidential campaign. He then tried to influence voters calling his mom, conservative. The real audacity is that he thought "we the people", even us LIberal ones would not look beyond his phony declarations. He takes us for fools and calls vetting a distraction.

    The hieght of his arrogance and his wife's is that such distractions they claim, are hurting us people and our dreams, hope and future, by derailing his campaign. This is where the Messiah BS comes in. Well Senator Obama, elections put candidates on trial, not the other way around. This race is about YOUR character, YOUR record and history, YOUR associations and policies, not whether the people are being unfair to examine YOU.

    I am astounded that everywhere you turn, Obama's autobiography, his claims about his record and funding, his associates and mentors, his policies when vetted against his past declarations, one finds contradictions, lies and deflections. This is what makes him unqualified for office, not whether his mother or dad were actually communists. HE has destroyed his own credibility in attempts to win the WH by selling himself. That was the point in rehashing the life of Ann Dunham, not that a father, mother and mentor inevitably shape a person. We all still possess the capacity to move beyond our environment and seek to remake ourselves. The subsequent track record of Obama however, is quite weak.

    The only thing silly would be for us to ignore Obama's profound and troubling disingenunity until he and Pelosi reveal the extent of we the people have allowed through our lack of seeking the truth.

    Go Colonel John

    Posted by: Maxtrue | May 3, 2008 9:18 AM

  138. sorry about the double post....don't know how that happened.

    Posted by: Maxtrue | May 3, 2008 9:19 AM

  139. Bush the Post Turtle

    A 70-year-old Texas Rancher got his hand caught in a gate while working cattle. He wrapped the hand in his bandana and drove his pickup to the doctor. While suturing the laceration, the doctor asked the old man about George W. Bush being in the White House.

    The old Texan said, "Well, ya know, Bush is a 'Post Turtle.'"

    Not knowing what the old man meant, the doctor asked what a Post Turtle was.

    The old man looked at him and drawled, "When you're driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a Post Turtle."

    The old man saw a puzzled look on the doctor's face, so he continued to explain:

    "You know he didn't get there by himself, he doesn't belong there, he can't get anything done while he's up there, and you just want to help the poor dumb bastard get down."

    Posted by: sturgeone | May 3, 2008 9:33 AM

  140. Gee Sturg, that was quite a story. Never heard Bush called a turtle before, but I have heard him called a poor dumb bastard. Thanks for that enlighening us.

    http://stubbornfacts.us/domestic_policy/social_policy/my_favorite_eighth_grader_kierra_bell_teaches_mrs_john_conyers_about_class

    Posted by: Maxtrue | May 3, 2008 9:54 AM

  141. "It is our duty as Americans, as Republicans and as patriots to live up to the ideals of our party,” Walberg said. “People respond to leadership, but it mustn’t flow from airy slogans of hope and change.”

    Seventh District Rep. Tim Walberg (R)

    That was from a brief article in my old hometown paper , The Daily Telegram.

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | May 3, 2008 9:56 AM

  142. Flats' WSJ link led to another of their video links featuring the "Royal Bloodline" of every horse in today's field...all traced back to Native Dancer of Maryland. However, no Queen Elizabeth II in attendance to truly up the royal ante as she did last year.

    http://online.wsj.com/public/page/sports.html

    Posted by: Ivy Green | May 3, 2008 10:00 AM

  143. Colonel John inbred? Who's the mutt of the race?

    Thanks for the info

    Posted by: Maxtrue | May 3, 2008 10:06 AM

  144. What about the sad truth that after January 20th, the country will, at some point, realize the election honeymoon is over and that getting out of the middle east has a snowball's chance in hell of happening.


    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | May 3, 2008 10:33 AM

  145. Another racist old white woman, Liz Taylor, has endorsed Hillary Clinton.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | May 3, 2008 10:34 AM

  146. that's " typical "

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | May 3, 2008 10:38 AM

  147. I went to college with one of Elizabeth Taylor's granddaughters. She was gorgeous...same violet eyes.

    Posted by: Ally Author Profile Page | May 3, 2008 10:45 AM


  148. NEW THREAD

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | May 3, 2008 10:47 AM

  149. Oh, and don't forget Patsi & Burrito: Another racist old "typical" white woman who was probably doped up at the time on prescription pills. Most typical.

    Posted by: Ally Author Profile Page | May 3, 2008 10:47 AM

  150. Good morning! It's COLD in Iowa today. UGH.

    Posted by: Ally Author Profile Page | May 3, 2008 10:51 AM

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