Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

WOO HOO?

There is something seriously wrong with this site Craig......

But other than that? I agree with you!

Or, they both could quit and give their candidates to Mr Biden.

i don't want Obama as my president..you see i have had to suffer while Bush stumbled and mumbled and Obama mumbles just like him...this is a race for the white house and people act like it's American Idol

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Emmy,

Then Vote for McCain. Pure and simple.

I see that Drudge is flinging the super delegate refusal around today. Aparently, no one wants to meet with Clinton today.

If you believe Drudge's sourses. ;0)

Craig, has your IT guy checked to see if you're not under some type of denial of service attack?

Don't worry Julie. I can be sure to get you up-to-speed on Jay Z before the general election.

http://www.bossip.com/10459/beyonce-jay-z-diddy-and-bets-robert-johnson-dont-support-obama/

(that "dirty rapper" isn't so bad anyways....he supported Clinton!!)

And Julie 73,

With everything that was written today, if you are still freaking out, then I say

GREAT! Vote for McCain. Its your right and your privelege. No one is forcing you to do anything you would feel violated for. So with a bow, I say go for it. ;0)

You would never have voted for Obama ever, anyway, apparently.

jeejee,

I have seen Matewan, and it is a spectacular movie. How long ago did you teach in War? A lot of the mountaintops are lower than they used to be.

With the recent vote in NC why hasn't John Edwards endorsed? He is a super delegate and has 22 delegates.

Senator Sherrod Brown another uncommited Super Delegate won't be making up mind until June
http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/gov/2008/05/ohios-top-superdelegate-speaks.asp

Hey Emmy, Julie

Come on down the water is fine. Welcome to the land of the split ticket. A moderate like McCain is just what we need. Let the wingnuts slam it out. Mud wrestling with the fat boys Rush and Michael. I'll bring the drinks if someone brings the popcorn.

Julie,

i agree with the others, vote your pleasure.

If I recall correctly, as an Okie, your dem vote whether for Hill or Joe Blow from Broken Bow will not have much impact.

I hate the current Electoral College system.

"you should vote McDeath"

Hey, Julie
And I can spell your name
I didn't even have time to pop a top on a cold one.
One of Michael's boys lets loose with a hand full of poo.

Looks to be fun

I need to learn how to quote the comments here..
Pogo, it was longer ago than I care to remember.

Jamie, safety classes are a good idea, but even adults have accidents.

And, finally, Warren, I know it's wrong, but it would feel so good!

OK, I'm out of here now, taking my cat to the vet, if I can find him.

Role of the Super Delegates
...... contradicted the entire purpose of super-delegates as a fail-safe mechanism for preventing voters from picking an unelectable candidate.

Ms Pelosi now says that as chairwoman of the Convention in August it is important to let the campaigns “work their way through this”.

Mr Reid agrees that the party should wait until the final primaries in South Dakota and Montana have taken place on June 3 before annointing a nominee. “It will end pretty soon after that,” he said in an interview published yesterday
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3883034.ece

No, she shouldn't quit -- every state should have their say.

Pug,

Thank you, but I believe I will set this voting season out.
I am however leaving the democratic party. I am registering as an independent and hoping my ancestors do not turn over in their graves.
Julie

jeejee:

"And, finally, Warren, I know it's wrong, but it would feel so good!"

Are you coming on to me?

(j/k - but I am still unsure what your post meant. Hope you cat gets a good report from the vet).

Sheila,

BO now wants Florida which Hillary won fair and square to be split 50-50. Just on Fox news. And the same for Mi. even though no one twisted his arm to make him take his name off.. This is his solution for the two states that the voters are being left out of the primaries. Ha, this is a fair tactic?

Julie

On the lighter side, GREAT Albright interview. Very cool.

What's My Logo: Madeleine Albright Talks Signature Brooches And Barack Obama's Missing Lapel Pin (VIDEO)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amanda-christine-miller/whats-my-logo-madeleine-a_b_100431.html

Julie, don't embrace the name, look to the well grounded principles of the democratic movement. So, even though you may separate yourself from the party as it's now constituted, they have no right to remove you from the movement.

FWIW, the other week I joined Americans for Democratic Action:
http://www.adaction.org/

Julie:

Independent is the way to be!!

And I am not worried. Once we get you to read The Audacity of Hope and you start listening to Obama make the case for the Democratic agenda against McCain and the Right-Wingers - I don't think you will be sitting this general election out.

Sorry, "umbrage"..... ;00

Julie,

just looked for it and just can't find that. You don't suppose FAUX News is giving "Supposes" as hard news do you?

nick:

John Edwards Vowed to Stay in the Race

Despite huge loss in the Nevada caucus, John Edwards vowed to stay in the race. Campaign manager, former Congressman David Bonior, said in a statement released by the John Edwards Campaign:

“The race to the nomination is a marathon and not a sprint, and we’re committed to making sure the voices of all the voters in the remaining 47 states are heard. The nomination won’t be decided by win-loss records, but by delegates, and we’re ready to fight for every delegate.”

http://polijamblog.polijam.com/?p=40

1. Don't get your hopes up.

2. It's all about the delegates.

You can hardly call them Republicans. Read what Cokie and Steve Roberts are saying about the Obama Knighthood.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0508/croberts.php3

I agree that she doesn't have to "quit." What she *should* do is stop CAMPAIGNING. Why? Because she's $11 million in debt and is only gonna get deeper.

She's blowing money she could be using to run for governor of NY in 2010, then as insurgent in 2012. Because Obama will obviously screw everything up, according to y'all. Think to the future, Hilldawgs. Think to the future.

You can still vote for her if she's not campaigning, you know. Huckabee took 10% of NC last night and he's been off air-guitaring someplace for the past three months.

FRY!!! LOL Welcome back! here to stir up some blood in our veins?

Almost forgot in all the craziness last night.

Kudos for HRC for mentioning Myanmar in her speech. It is just getting worse and worse over there.

(I for one think these millions going to the campaigns could do a lot more good over there than paying for stupid 30-second TV spots.)

Sheila,

No it was running in the strip at the bottom of the picture..

Julie

I'll keep watching Julie,

But all I've been seeing is Deans command of what is going to happen. not the campaigns.

Yes Warren! I also thought it was good that Hillary mentioned the horrible disaster in Burma in her speech last night. Your mention of this just goes to show that even sharks can be mensch's.

XXOO

Fry:

You can hardly call them Republicans - but you can sure as hell say that Cokie is in the tank for Hillary.

Cokie Roberts is also a great woman. I loved working for her.

Fry, back from the depths? Good to see you - I used your name in vain (not actually in vain) this morning. As they say, from Roberts' mouth to god's(glue's,in case you haven;t kept up) ear. I couldn't agree more, and have railed about the idiocy of th eprocess in detail and at length here and to my F&F (who just wish I'd shut up about it). Gonna wade back in to the fray, or you gonna just keep lurking?.

Damn Sheila so many new niks, where have all my Liberal buddies gone?

Well BHO's people are trying to spin his win here in NC as a big deal. How do they explain the spread he had a month ago, 25 pts, was shaved down to 14 pts. In, IN what was the funny monkey business going on in Lake County. It took them till 11PM to start releasing their totals. Gary, IN has always been know as a down and dirty when it come to politics, even when dealing within their own party. The reason they waited so long was because they mistakenly thought they would be the king maker for BHO. Sorry Barry just wasn't the case, you couldn't even pull in your own neighboring state. Just pathetic. Blue collar D's are going to stick it to BHO should he mistakenly become the D's nominee.

I've always liked Cokie Roberts and Steve too.

I met another volunteer at 8 and we did an hour of Hillary sign holding.

I've never seen such a positive response. We decided it made people feel better after the diffricult last night.

I'm heading to the Farmer'smarket to hand out literature. It is cold and cloudy. Perhaps they will have something warm to drink.

Oh Fry,,,,, Its great to see your far right acidy spew here again. ;0) We've missed you.

You liberal buddies will start trickling in again, don't you worry.

Obama's win WAS a big deal and his run against a very powerful woman IS a big deal.

Good thing Gary was minding its Ps and Qs right?

Yes Warren that is why I started out that post with, "You can hardly call them Republicans'.

The Roberts have been big D's forever. Her dad, Hale Boggs, was Dem Majority Leader of the House.

Just thought you would like to know

In 1980, Ted Kennedy came into the Democratic convention at Madison Square Garden in New York City with 1,225 delegates to President Carter's 1,981 and 122 uncommitted.

If Kennedy could take it to the convention when he trailed by 756 delegates, Hillary can go to the convention trailing by her current 150 or so.

But then again, I'm voting a slit ticket

A moderate like McCain is just what we need.

Hmmm....I don't consider McCain a moderate at all and I like him.....

hey Fry,

I just visited my son in Charleston. I was very surprised at how little if looks now that most of the Navy is gone...

Pogo!!!!

Taking my name in vain? Oh be still my heart say it ain't so. LOL

You know I still believe HRC has few cards which haven't been played. Apparently the always unbiased MSM would love for her to bow out because they are so worried about what it might do to the D party, but she ain't going no where. She is going to ride this horse till it keels over dead. I think the MSM has forgotten that her last name is Clinton.

I left the democratic party to become an independent and often wonder how people that are moderates could remain in that churning mass of far left excess. I too will vote McCain and have little fear of divided government which IMO will make it necessary for close cooperation. I'm glad to see that I am in good company.

toast

Sheila,

Yes the Navy left town, and I would had thought their departure would cripple Charleston, but Charleston just keeps on plugging away. I love visiting Charleston, some of the best She Crab soup I ever had was in Charleston. Hope you had a great visit, how is your son doing, is he going to re-up?

Julie 73,

This is all I can find today. So we have to consider that FAUX News was probably spinning again.

Back To Michigan and FLorida

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/07/back-to-michigan-and-florida/

pug, I hear what you're saying about Kennedy - probably why he's not being vocal about calling for an end tothe process. WADR, from my perspective, McCain is not a moderate on most issues that mean a damn.

The soccer fields call.

Fry, I love Charleston too and My son is a lifer. Did I tell you he made 1st in 6 years? So I don't think he'll be getting out too soon. I would just like him to skip Chief and go Officer, but he insists, he wants Chief. I'm glad he's shore duty right now, but he's bored and wants to go to....you know where again.

Hows yours?

Sheila
I "m not that good with computer, but will watch for it and on CNN also..

Julie

Julie Thanks.

I am interested.

So THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED....

Tim Russert Screwed it up by naming Obama the Nominee and so the Hill camp reved up and started over....

Russert Gaffe.

List of prominent uncomitted super delegates
http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed1/idUSN0728100620080507

Sheila,

WOW 1st Class, an E-6. There is a ton of responsibility that comes with being a E-6, the sooner he makes Chief the better off he'll be. You Chiefs, E-7, E-8, E-9 are treated like gods. That is because they know all the secrets, and they do. ;-) If I was your son, and I had to take shore duty, I try to go to the 6th fleet, the Med, or anywhere in Japan. What a wonderful experience that would be.

Julie:

Read The Audacity of Hope. It is all about politics - NOT Obama.

"This book grows directly out of those conversation on the campaign trail. Not only did my encounters with voters confirm the fundamental decency of the American people, they also reminded me that at the core of the American experience are a set of ideals that continue to stir our collective conscience; a common set of values that bind us together despite our differences; ...."

he's itching for Japan, but so are others and its a small rating. So I'm afraid, unless the middle east gets better soon, he will have to go back. There are now four places he can go in the world....only four unless he goes recruiter someday.

Where is jamie, did you all kill her and hid the body? And Kathryn, where is Kathryn?

Time to eat.

I still think
hillary needs to run under a third party with Chuck Hagel.He was fed up with his party and the two parties have had too long a hold on government .This is a good opportunity for a viable third party.I can hear the talking heads already.This would really upset the applecart.And I don't care how good a democrat you think she is,I think being president would overshadow party loyalty.After all she was a republican before she was a democrat.And she would be a better president if she was not affiliated with either party.
Ruth

I saw Jamie this morning, but it IS a bit of a downer today. I'm sure she''ll say howdy tonight or tomorrow.

Kathrine has left for now. just like I did. I just resurfaced too.

"divided government" means nothing gets done.

That is why every year - candidates "promise" they will fix healthcare, education, the environment, etc.

That is the whole point of Obama's campaign - whereas Hillary thinks she can just bully her way to progress.

Get real - can't you see how "ineffective" bullying is by participating on this blog?

Warren,

Audacity of Hope was the first one I read. Its a solid piece of work and really shows the depth of the man's brain and his abilities of reason.

And staying in campaign gives her exposure she would need for an independant run.Being she is only 500,000 votes behind Obama she could make that up easily with Forida and Michigan.The amount of votes she has gotten already are more than McCain got.She can do it.Yes she Can!
Ruth

What's so heartbreaking is that the Clintons have worked supporting the minorities over their entire lifetime. That's
a lot of love given and in return they get 6% of the minority
vote. The look on Bill's face last night at Hillary's speech
-well, he looked devastated.

Julie 73,

I just heard from Hardball that the Obama Campaign has said Seat Florida with all of the delegates going to Clinton and Seat Michigan 64/64 split.

I have heard that for months and so I have no readon to think its not right. ;0)

There are an awful lot of us old women who will never vote for Obama.One big reason besides him not being capable is we can't stand to see the MSM win or those Obama supporters who are so smug.Or Michelle.A lot of us old women are also not as liberal as Obama and his supporters,so would opt for McCain If Hillary does not get nomination or run under IP ticket
Ruth

Ruth,

Wish we could ease your pain, but its just not possible if you don't want to come half way.

So I wish you well in your vote for McCain.

I am a very committed supporter of Senator Hillary Clinton both monetarily and action wise. I want her to be the next POTUS. She is the most qualified and certainly has the most comprehensive solutions to many of the horrendous problems that the Bush administration is going to leave us. It seems to me that the Obama bloggers make a grave mistake in thinking that only their supporters are rabidly committed to their candidate. They also think that only racists are for Clinton and somehow the Obama supporters are the only enlightened voters.

Most Clinton supporters are loyal democrats who are fiercely loyal to Senator Clinton but that does not make them racists or stupid or bitter. Most of us are not against Obama but rather vehemently for Clinton. If Obama is the nominee then I will vote for him because the issues of the democratic party espouses are important to me. It is vitally important that the next President is a democrat who will appoint Judges, and US Attorneys and Cabinet officials who will support a woman's right to choose and defend the Constitution from those who would sacrifice liberty in the name of security, or those who have implemented financial policies which have almost destroyed the middle class. We want to support labor's right to organize and obtain fair wages for its members. We know that we need to curtail our dependence on foreign oil and implement policies and programs to combat the destruction of our environment.

We knew that Senator Clinton could implement these programs because she has the tenacity, grit and know how. We hope that Senator Obama will be able to do these things and are willing to support him if he is the nominee.

I would caution Senator Obama's supporters that we will not endure your continued insults directed at us or our candidate. The support of Obama in the general election from Clinton supporters will evaporate if we are not treated with respect. If you do not want 50% of the democratic party to vote for your candidate in November then just keep it up.

I am a very committed supporter of Senator Hillary Clinton both monetarily and action wise. I want her to be the next POTUS. She is the most qualified and certainly has the most comprehensive solutions to many of the horrendous problems that the Bush administration is going to leave us. It seems to me that the Obama bloggers make a grave mistake in thinking that only their supporters are rabidly committed to their candidate. They also think that only racists are for Clinton and somehow the Obama supporters are the only enlightened voters.

Most Clinton supporters are loyal democrats who are fiercely loyal to Senator Clinton but that does not make them racists or stupid or bitter. Most of us are not against Obama but rather vehemently for Clinton. If Obama is the nominee then I will vote for him because the issues of the democratic party espouses are important to me. It is vitally important that the next President is a democrat who will appoint Judges, and US Attorneys and Cabinet officials who will support a woman's right to choose and defend the Constitution from those who would sacrifice liberty in the name of security, or those who have implemented financial policies which have almost destroyed the middle class. We want to support labor's right to organize and obtain fair wages for its members. We know that we need to curtail our dependence on foreign oil and implement policies and programs to combat the destruction of our environment.

We knew that Senator Clinton could implement these programs because she has the tenacity, grit and know how. We hope that Senator Obama will be able to do these things and are willing to support him if he is the nominee.

I would caution Senator Obama's supporters that we will not endure your continued insults directed at us or our candidate. The support of Obama in the general election from Clinton supporters will evaporate if we are not treated with respect. If you do not want 50% of the democratic party to vote for your candidate in November then just keep it up.

I just heard Armstrong Williams spouting off on Fox. Saying that AA voters finally figured out how evil the Clintons' are and have been ever since they entered politics. They are getting their just desserts and she can forget about ever running again.

Gives me even more reason to leave without turning back.

Conversation with my 83 year mother today:

Mom: "Yay! Hillary won Indiana last night! "

Me. " Yeah, but Mom, it was only 2 percent and a lot of the people are now saying it was not enough to make up for the loss in North Carolina. So we're kind of sad today."

Mom: "Well can you imagine how hard we'd be cryin' now if Obama won Indiana?"

Me: "That's true. Thanks for reminding me of he bright side."

Gotta love Mom.

Jo,

I don't think your goig to get an argument here. Thanks for the warning, but I think we, the Obama Supporters here on the Trail Mix just want our friends back and want peace and unity again.

So, come on down and join the party when you feel capable!

Flatus --
Armstrong is a GOP - he's whack. Don't pay attention to him.

Hey
Ruth come on down

You too can be a ticket splitter.
It truly is the best way.

Look at how much trouble we have when we give it all to one party.

Vote McCain for president, then you can divide the rest up as you wish, remembering to give the Democrats a generous share.

hey, i like the idea of an independant run for HRC.
gee, with all us peri/pre/post menepausal's so P.O.ed, I think BHO should just conceede.
hell hath no fury.......

Come on FLATUS.....Williams is right wing media host. Have you ever heard his Show? My goodness. Take him with a grain of salt......

Union members urge Democrats to seat Michigan, Florida delegates
by Ken Thomas | The Associated Press
Monday April 14, 2008, 5:48 PM
National party Chairman Howard Dean, who was traveling Monday, has said he expects an agreement to be reached to seat delegates from both states at the Denver convention. He has said any deal will need the support of presidential candidates Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama, who have been campaigning in advance of primaries in Pennsylvania, Indiana and North Carolina. But there is no deal yet.

There is no deal on Florida and Michigan.

Activist revives lawsuit over Florida delegate mess
The Associated Press
Thursday April 10th, 2008
Comment on this Story | Read Comments

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) — A Democratic activist has revived a federal lawsuit against the Democratic National Committee challenging the party's decision to strip Florida of its delegates to the national convention.

A previous lawsuit filed last year by Victor DiMaio of Tampa was thrown out of the U.S. District Court in Tampa. But the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals, in a ruling last month, gave DiMaio an opening to amend and refile it, which he did Wednesday.

Ruth, I agree with you. On all of it. The slanted media. A candidate we know nothing about and what we do know
isn't good. I think we all want a president that is MORE
patriotic than us. And someone doesn't sit in a America
bashing church for 20yrs. if they're patriotic. So keep telling
them you're not voting for Obama no matter what. I
agree with you. I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR OBAMA. That
50% of people on the exit polls said the same thing as
us. That they'd stay home or vote for McCain.

h

"divided government" means nothing gets done.

Posted by: warren

Most experts believe there will be substantial gains in the senate and house by the democrats that would facilitate Obama's ability to bring CHANGE in domestic and foreign policy. Obama's inexperience makes this an unacceptable risk IMO especially as regards the middle east and security. The only way I could ever vote for Obama is with the restrictions of divided government an being the sad victim of botched brain surgery. Hello McCain.

toast

Hey

that's 1,2,3 come on Julie join us
and we would have 5 trail mixers for McCain.

a nice little club

Friends don't let friends vote the straight ticket
Vote divided government.
Vote McCain

So Please, by all means. You ALL have free will and you ALL should vote for McCain. ;0)

As Craig would have said, having you hear makes for a better discussion ;0)

Cokie and Steve are GOP? No Way! Her mother Lindy and I spent many afternoons sitting side by side in the manicure room of the House Beauty Shop as Miss Rita worked her magic on our nails. Congresswoman Boggs told me how to get ready for hurricanes, we also talked of roses and women's issues. I loved her -- she's a great lady.

I also had some interesting dealings with Cokie's brother -- the legendary Tommy Boggs. He is quite something . Big burly cigar chomping, bourbon drinking, boots wearing master lobbyist. He came to me as the rep for the trial lawyers opposing product liability tort reform. My boss was trying to strike a compromise with the manufacturers and ATLA. So I asked Tommy if he could help me negotiate and amendment. He said, "Alicia, I can wrote you the most wonderful, right-down- the- middle- bill with something for everyone -- give a break to the manufacturers, protect the victims -- make everyone happy." I was getting hopeful and about to say, "Well great! Then let's do that" But the great Tommy Boggs continued, "It would be a beautiful bill -- but we'd still oppose it because we don't want any goddamned product liability bill to pass, understand?"

Aahh. Who was I to think that I could play let's make a deal with the great Tommy Boggs? At the end of it, we were able to get a compromise bill through the Energy and Commerce committee, but Tommy ultimately won the day when he created an unholy alliance with the Trial Lawyers and the Right to Lifers who became convinced that a tort reform bill would allow new forms of birth control to be developed and tested in the US. That ultimately killed the bill for federal tort reform.

Never voted for a Republican in my life. And I certainly
would never support McCain. Nor would I support
someone who gives speeches with such lines as
"We are what we've been waiting for". Please!

Hillary hasnt quit yet.
(None of your hollow predictions, please......)
She hasnt quit yet
And obama hasnt won.
It's not over. not as good as over. not might as well be over.........

Good Story Alicia!

Yes she can!

Nogrudge,

Well maybe you would consider voting for Gravel? Ron Paul? Better to vote then to not vote at all.

nogrudge,
I am so tired of hearing that the Clinton's are playing dirty or are using the race card.It was Obama using race in S.C. because he new he couldn't win without the black vote so he had to make them hate the Clinton's to get it done and The press was more than willing to help.And it was Obama always bad mouthing the Clinton's at his rallies again with the help of the press.And there is nothing more racist than having 91% of black voters voting for Obama.You can't tell me it is because he is the better candidate.It is because he is black.Any other candidate with the negatives he has would have been gone long ago but the AA's don't care what he's done they will vote for him even if he is found guilty of murder.
Ruth

Does anyone remember the financial scandal involving Armstrong Williams? details escape me

Chef Sheila Hussein
Never said I wasn't going to vote
I'm going to vote for Hillary.

Well there you go, at least you will be voting. I threw one away once with a write in.

So Please, by all means. You ALL have free will and you ALL should vote for McCain.
As Craig would have said, having you hear makes for a better discussion
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun

It is refreshing to have such a temperate tone light up this blog...

toast

Hillary hasnt quit yet.

Posted by: sturgeone

I support Hillary and will till the end.

toast

TY Sistah Sheila. How did you work for Cokie? On NPR?

My niece went to Stone Ridge and Cokie was a regular at all the alumni events. She seems to be as lovely as her mother.

Alica,

I was a camera/sound/field producer for ABC News in the 90's. I was with Brinkley and Sunday Morning, of which she has been a faithfull pundit. She is just as beautiful inside as the camera doesn't do her outside..,,,that and a really smart and touch, but southern bellish cookie.

I had planned to not vote at all if hillary is not the nominee,but maybe I will vote for McCain.he is more moderate than Obama.But I will not vote for Durbin either because he was one of those who is behind Obama.
And Claire McKaskell is not a good dem either.One day a few months ago I was watching c-span and they were having votes on social security.All the dems voted aye and she voted nay.Wasn't able to figure that one out at all.
Ruth

There's always Libertarian, Green, and write In.

Obama is very moderate....just chocolate, I like Chocolate ;0)

Hey Oregon -- Armstrong Williams was paid by the Dept. of Education to shill NCLB. Here is the WaPO story:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A56330-2005Jan7.html

And Hillary is in for the whole game .Got a letter today saying she will fight to the finish.Good for her.the last week Obama looked like he had been wrung out and hung out to dry.You can see he is plain tired of the fight and wants it over now.Helooks like he hates getting down with the masses.Looked happier when he was just giving speeches.
Ruth

I cant threaten anything......my state (sc. one of obama's big wins) will go republican, as always.........my vote is worthless in a state like this.....so all I can do is bark at the moon for hillary until such time as obama wins it. which he hasnt done yet.

woof.

Ruth, ditto.
Racism goes 2 ways.
I would love to have a black president.
Just not this one.
We don't vote for someone BECAUSE of race or gender.
We hire who we think will be the best president.
It's hard to remember the 90's and not want them back.
And she may be our chance.

Jack Caff. is pretty sharp over on CNN.

(He is like Pat B.'s doppleganger ; )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppleganger

(I am sure there is genuine disagreement about which one is the "evil twin" ; )

We were talking about Obama/Rendell 08 last night . . .

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/072cgxqb.asp

"they" must be watching. . .

(uh-oh - I am starting to sound like Max!)

Oh Warren.....gag me.....Fred Barnes? YUK....OK, I'll hold my nose as I read.

woof. Bark at the moon.
Love it!

Warren, My take on Rendell is that he is too conservative for General Election, he is a major Clinton supporter and that wouldn't gel well either. He doesn't have a military background to give the populous a comfort zone.

Fred Barnes knows this too. ;0)

I just got an e-mail saying if each and every American stops buying anything made in China only $20 worth for a month it would put a serious dent in the trade deficit and also make a statement to American companies doing business in China.And we could take it further and increase it each month.I know there are a lot of things we would not be able to buy,but do we really need all the junk they sell us.

I remember the government trying to stop American's from buying cheaper drugs from Canada and other countries because they couldn't gaurantee their safety but the pharmacutical companies are having drugs made in China and look at what that brought us--deaths from
contaminated Heparin.

Ruth

j

I just turned on my pc and tried to see Hillary speak in DC but it just ended. Did anybody see it and if so what did she say. Is there a link to replay it.

Thank you Alicia

Sturg, let's go out and get drunk. (Haven't done that in _many_ years, but...)

Sheila:

I think Biden would be a good choice. (As long as he doesn't really start shooting off his mouth until after the election ; )

I am also a big fan of Obama/Webb '08. Especially after I saw Webb on TV after the recent hearings on Iraq. There were a lot of senators on TV over the course of those hearings - and Webb stood out.

He would put VA in play as well as some other Southern states.

(He does not have much "political" experience - but he has more than solid credentials on National Security.)

I think he has some controversial statements in his past - but who doesn't.

And just wait till the media really gets a hold of McCain's statement about getting off foreign oil in order to prevent more wars in the Middle East. (McCain is going to have a tough time since you're not allowed to tell the truth in the GOP ; )

I heard the washington post had some story about a possible problem for Obama in October and Hillay was trying to push the story but I could not find it. Did anybody else see that story.

I've been busy working on the campaign today but saw a few minutes of Chris Matthews..very interesting..

They talked about when Russert declared the race over last night, Hillary made the quicki decision.
Instead of resting for a day, she said..we are going to West Virginia.

If she fights on, we'll fight on..I'm so worried that if Obamaisnominated, the GOP will win again..unacceptable

Nanny -- Yes...it's painful. Especially because I so remember that the same MSM that steamrolled George Bush into office and cheerleaded Iraq has now handed us Barack Obama. And I believe he is a phony. If by some sleight of hand he does win the general, I won't be able to watch any presidential speeches for the next four years. Listening him reminds me of listening to "W"....

I may have to subscribe to Netflix.

Warren,

I think we all think Webb would be great and Alicia, I keep thinking of your plea, because he is a great senator.

But that is exactly why he would be a great VEEP. He was my SECNAV and was excellent. He is a no nonesence guy and he has strengths that is needed whether Obama or Clinton.

Ruth, our government needs to take responsiblity for importing
tainted products. We expect it of China. It would just be nice
to have a little quality control on this end-or don't bring it here
if you can't guarantee it.

Flate.......a capital idea..........

I was listening to Hannity this afternoon and he said something about mainstream media that was interesting and if you listen to them tonight you may see he is right. He said that there is an agreement that they will not pursue the Wright issue anymore. Even he sounded a little different. He still mentioned Ayers but it sounded a little softer. So is this how we want the media to act. I always thought FOX was one sided for sure but now I see that the mainstream media is acting the same way and may always have been but I never noticed it.

You've all inspired me.
Going to go over and contribute $50. of my hard earned money
to Hillary. She works harder than I do.
And like she say "We're just getting warmed up"

I'm watching "Ghost Hunters" on Scifi Channel....wow

Webb wouldn't waste his time.

Each one of us here believes in our heart that our candidate provides the best chance for the future of this Country. We are also very aware of the critical challenges this Country faces and understand how much THIS election matters.

I certainly admit that I have let my heart and my passion for the candidate I support cloud my judgment and cause me to say stupid things about the other great Americans running for president - who, along with supporters all over - are working their asses for for what they believe is in the best intersts of this Country.

I support Barack Obama for President because I think he is the best President for these times. Obama has handled himself with grace and determination in this hard-fought contest, won record support all over the Country and is building a New Generation that actually cares about politics.

The Democratic base is already energized. I discount the notion that the fights between Clinton and Obama supporters will cause people to stay home. Those supporters are just becoming more and more invested in this process and they will unite to stand against the GOP. Clinton's ardent supporters will not simply walk away - they will bring the fight to the Republicans.

A few other points:

-Obama will attract anti-war Independents and Republicans, whose numbers are significant.

-Obama will be able to draw a sharp contrast with John McCain so that the Republican attack machine cannot blur the lines.

-Obama is the strongest to debate McCain on Iraq. Most observers agree that this has been Obama's greatest strength in the debates with Clinton.

-Obama represents a "clean break" from Bush and that Washington politics created under that Administration. McCain represents just another Republican taking command of a sinking battleship.

Clinton supporters: Do you really want to go over to the other side and start paroting back the conventional wisdom that the youth vote can't make a difference? The youth does not make a difference when it is disaffected - it needs to be INSPIRED. And from what I've seen . . . it is not only young Americans that Obama is inspiring.

Obama IS calling a whole New Generation to arms. This will not only impact this election - it will CHANGE the future. Both in terms of votes and public service. I believe that the energy shown by the Clinton and Obama supporters alike (as well as those for all the candidates) - can be parlayed effectively after the general election. (Not everyone of course - but even a percentage of that energy could do the world a lot of good.)

How can Obama make a REAL CHANGE to the way politics is conducted in Washington - you ask?

Because the new American Majority that votes for him in this election - including Democrats, Independents and Republicans, along with the growing cadre of new-age leaders on both sides of the aisle that support him - will all make sure that politicians who get in the way of OUR mandate will be cast aside - no matter who they are.

And that mandate is quite simple:

-END the Bush Doctrine and EVOLVE American Foreign Policy

-Make HEALTH CARE more affordable and accessible
IMMEDIATELY and get us on the road towards UNIVERSAL health care

-Stop the trickle down ECONMICS and open the
floodgates through TAXES and EDUCATION

-Pass a comprehensive IMMIGRATION bill and ensure that our boarders are SAFE

-LEAD the world on fighting terrorism, speading human rights and protecting our environment

Vote Obama and the join the New American majority. And don't worry, the Clintons will join us and BOTH will play key roles in guiding this country's FUTURE.

Wow Warren. I'm impressed. Nice read. ;0) now go join his writing team

vadaryl,
seems wrong for all the media to decide together what they will or will not report. It just proves more how slanted things are.
I heard them described once as "birds on a fence" all flocking together. If that's true, do we have it much better than those countries that sensor what can be aired and what can't? These stations are all owned by big corporations(Msnbc by General Electric, etc.) Do we ever get the whole picture? or just what
they want us to see. That decision would come from the top.

Patsi:

"Especially because I so remember that the same MSM that steamrolled George Bush into office and cheerleaded Iraq has now handed us Barack Obama."

The sad truth is that the media has become a very real part of political campaigns in America. (It is even a sadder commentary how much the media impacts actual policy-making.)

And the fact that the MSM is in love with Obama is a huge asset. You think MSNBC is going to let the GOP get away with spreading misinformation. (Chris will sick Norah and Shuster on them ; )

And Meet the Press is still a very powerful forum.

I wish one of the pollsters would take a new poll in FL & MI and ask them if their votes are not counted and their delegates are not seated who would they vote for in November is Obama is the nominee.

That was nicely said, Warren.

Thanks Nick

Especially since they know Obama denied them a revote.
Wonder how that went over?

Thanks Nick

Think of it this way. In 2004, Edwards was the "media darling" and Kerry was the established Democrat with all the "experience".

(Not sure if Edwards would have won in 2004 - but he couldn't have done any worse than Kerry....)

Obama is not just the Edwards of 2004 - the "fresh face" (without the $300 hair cuts) - but Obama also capitalized on the grassroots internet movement discovered by Dean.

(And he has won the support of the Democratic Establishment too)

Gracias chicos y chicas.

nogrudge,

Again, I am from Michigan and the 9th circuit court denied the revote for this state. The court felt that obeying the rules was most important. SO, its not the Obama Campaign that did it.

They want a split here and they said they would accept Clinton's claim for the delegates in Florida. Up to the committee now.

warren
Obama is strong on debate?
Are we talking about the same Obama??

nogrudge:

Send it to Myanmar!!

annnndddd don't forget the amazing crossovers from the republican side.

Sheila,
they had a chance for a revote and had financing for it.
If it had been to Obama's advantage, do you think he might
have been for it. The 2 candidates are the ones who make
the decision. Not the party and it sure didn't have to go to
court. Think about it. Millions of people told, you broke the
rules. We don't want your vote. United 48 states? Forget
the rules and think about what 's fair to the people of America.
Why was he afraid of a democratic vote. If he's afraid of a
revote in his own party, what are we left to think?

nogrudge:

There were 21 debates with plenty of great Democratic leaders.

And it is the voters opinion on the debates that count - not just yours (and some self-interested pundits).

"whoever you are"

"they had a chance for a revote and had financing for it.
If it had been to Obama's advantage, do you think he might have been for it."

Do you think if it was not in Clinton's advantage - the financing would not be coming from her supporters.

Give me a freaking break. What kind of legitimacy would an election funded by Carville and Corzine have?

Again - they should send their money to Myanmar instead of trying to delay the end of this nomination process.

"whoever you are"

"they had a chance for a revote and had financing for it.
If it had been to Obama's advantage, do you think he might have been for it."

Do you think if it was not in Clinton's advantage - the financing would not be coming from her supporters.

Give me a freaking break. What kind of legitimacy would an election funded by Carville and Corzine have?

Again - they should send their money to Myanmar instead of trying to delay the end of this nomination process.

nogrudge,

As far as the vote, it was not done fair in this state. All agreed to stay off the ballot and Clinton went back on at last minute. Edwards and obama stayed off as agreed and then ALL of us who wrote in Obama or Edwards were told that it didn't count. There were many who knew last second that it would not count and so voted for Clinton and have told the press that they felt they were coursed.

SO, please don't tell me this after I experienced it for Michigan. I totally agree with giving Clinton the Florida votes, but not Michigan. Split it down the middle.

BTW,

Obama agreed to revote and 9th circuit said no... so there you go

"Obama will attract anti-war Independents and Republicans"

Obviously, Warren. That's who is now running the Democratic party. That's who gave us this candidate. Certainly not the base.

I am off to walk Lucy.

(She has not been getting long walks with all this politics . . . time to make it up to her!)

Sheila
did you hear the part about the revote.
Obama wouldn't give the go ahead.
Was that fine with you?

What I resent most is 91% of the black vote! But, it is not about race?

I usually just lurk, but NC was way...

Warren,

"Obama is strong on debate?
Are we talking about the same Obama??"

Remember he will be up against "My FRiends can't tell the difference between Sunni and Shia" McCain. A stuttering parrot with a memorized briefing book and some good yahoo speech lines will look wonderful.

ok warren,
take a S"freaking break", as you put it.

from: "whoever you are"
I mean, whoever I am.

I am going to make this statement with as much well intentioned kindness as I can muster in my soul.

The Clinton Supporters here who have listened to the lies and swallowed them because you prefer to believe it rather than the real truth about Obama......well, WE know you are not listening and won't listen and prefer just to hate the guy.

This is really your choice and I actually respect your choice. Because there are plenty of people who care to know the truth here.

All the misinformation in the world will not convince sane people what you guys are trying to spoon feed us.

Now if you ever want some truth, just let any of us know and we'll be glad to link you some.

If you want to convince us and hold a discussion with links, hey! We're here.

I just had a push poll for Obama here in New Hampshire. It was so obvious, I called BS on the poor kid. After five questions, he said we had covered everything. Indeed, we had.

Just a reminder, New Hampshire has a thing for John McCain.I wouldn't put it in the Obama catagory even though it shifted towards the democrats in the mid-term. There are quite a few people up here that are very disappointed in Hodes, and lord knows what will happen with the Shaheens. Bill is toast but Jeanne is running for Senate. She might be OK, but he appears to be a typical white person. Isn't that right Nash?

So I'm going to play tag team now with Jamie and Patsi. You go girls and i will go pay attention to Ghost Hunters....I'm starting to get hooked.

Sheila and Warren -- If you take Webb from VA we do not have a bench deep enough to replace him so instead of two DEM Senators we will only have one -- Mark Warner. I tell you what, take Tim Kaine -- please.

Alicia.....LOLOLOLOL

Sheila, I've been around for a long time and I've never claimed to know "the truth" about much--certainly not about what is in a politician's heart.

But I've seen a lot of politicians and I'd just as soon buy snake oil from many of them then ask Mr Obama for the day of the week hoping for a truthful answer.

He may have won the white deomcrat vote, not necessarily the total white vote. Big difference, especially in states that do not normally go left.

Sheila,

I don't hate him. That was a critique of past performance. When being interviewed he stutters, hems and haws and finally gives some generalized line. He then comes back about 24 hours later with a well written speech delivered with great style most of which is slogan tag lines and a few facts.

Unless he is trained and trained and trained, he will do about as well in the debate against McCain as he has in all the other debates ... not very impressive.

Up against McCain who is showing his age uttering vagueries such as "my friends" and stumbling over facts and old Republican slogans, Obama with all his failings will look great.

Flatus, That's called, I "Agree To Disagree" with you on Trail Mix. Have a nice night. I've been here enough today. ;0)

CIO!

Alicia K.....
I agree; the Senate (and VA ) need Webb......

But California could certainly afford to give Barbara Boxer to Senator Obama's campaign for VP.

~Gidget

Flatus,

I find myself in agreement with you on many of your posts. Honest and articulate, I enjoy your posts. You make your points without malice. I find that more interesting than a personal attack based on who one supports at the moment.

"When they run McCain on a national security theme, the Ayers relationship, in particular, will play out in ways that will devastate Obama’s candidacy. Images of that devastation, followed by highly disturbing images of 9/11, paired with the details of the relationship between the two men will be broadcast repeatedly into everyone’s living room.

The only remaining question is, “Will the Super Delegates see the neon-bright writing on the wall in time?”

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/07/just-a-guy-in-baracks-neighborhood/#more-2427

Here's something to lighten the mood y'all- 2nd joke on the 5/6 monologue video
http://www.nbc.com/The_Tonight_Show_with_Jay_Leno/video/#mea=248831

Thank you, Bowmanc. I try, but sometimes biting my lip for an extended period causes enough discomfort that I say ouch.

Flatus,
we can all learn from your tactfulness.
I must learn to bite my lip.
By the way, I totally agreed with your snake-oil statement.
Beautifully put.

Last night Barack Obama boasted that he was within 200 votes of clinching the Democratic nomination. He’s wrong. That boast is premised on the assumption that the “magic number” for clinching the nomination is 2025.

But the “magic” of 2025 is the magic of fake disappearances, conjuring and pulling rabbits out of hats. Obama’s faux magic number constitutes a majority of the Democratic delegates only if you don’t count MI and FLA’s alloted delegates. The real Magic Number is 2209 — 50% + 1 of all the delegates, pledged and SDs, alloted to the 50 states, Guam and Puerto Rico. But by excluding MI and FLA, Obama and Dean and Brazile and the MSM talking heads, not to mention The Blog That Must Not Be Named, seem to think they can lower the bar for clinching the nomination. In other words, excluding MI and FLA kills two birds with one stone: it excludes Clinton delegates, and it lowers the magic number for Obama. How conVEEEEEEENient.
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/do-you-believe-in-magic/

AK

I was trying to save Webb for you!
BB brings a lot of experience, a true liberal and a woman to the ticket.

We still have DiFi ! And our bench is deep out here.

~Gidget

Lynn C

Exactly.. There is no way either one of them can pull off the magic of 2209. With only 300 left of sd's. if the committee does seat Mi/Fla... then it has to go to a brokered convention. What Bo will try to do and is doing is crying for the sd's to declare now and get him to 2025 so he can claim to be nominee before they seat Fl/Mi.. Every day his campaign asks for sds to declare.. Let Hillary stay in and to a convention !
Julie

i will write Hillary in before i vote for anyone else...i have always said..i hope America will appreciate this brilliant woman and make her the next president..if they don't it's our loss

Julie

It is kind of hard to talk about the 50 state strategy with a straight face when you are only counting 48.

It's fuzzy math from Obama.

THANK YOU CRAIG !!
For remembering us -- the older white women who may for the only time in our lives se a woman in the White House.

Mmmmwahh!

Warren,

No one, not even I, have suggested Obama doesn't speak well. BHO speaks especially well when reading from one of his own prepared speeches, but when caught off guard he has fumbled and stumbled around looking to find an answer. Usually this ends up with him not answering the question.

His last debate will HRC was very evident on this point when pressed by ABC's Charlie Gibson on the subject of raising taxes. Obama just wouldn't or couldn't believe that when taxes are lower, tax revenues increase. Gibson kept telling BHO that history has proved this time and time again. BHO believes that raising the tax on taxable gains from 15% to 28% is a good thing. There are over 100 million American who are now participating in the stock market who are receiving capital gains. BHO's face went into disbelief.

BHO believes that granting illegal immigrant a driver license is a good thing. According to him, 'it will protect us if we get rear ended." Actually BHO it is called car insurance, and unless the federal gov't is going to subsidize the insurance to cover these illegal immigrants, all that you will achieved is having illegal immigrants driving legally, but what they will be driving and will that something be insured is more important to the person who get into a accident with an illegal. Now unless BHO is going to trample all over state rights I don't think the federal government is in the business of issuing drivers licenses, and even if they were who is paying for the car insurance? Test. Call your insurance company tomorrow and tell them you just arrived here in the US from wherever, and you just got your drivers license and you want a quote on the car you are currently driving. Now providing you can understand the quote amid all the laughter, compare that quote with what you are paying now.

BHO want to give every college student, there are currently 7.1 million of them, $4,000 per year every year they attend school, = $28,400,000,000 a year.

Now both he and HRC want to remove our troops from Iraq, but there is never any mention of the 100,000 American civilians who are currently working there. What is to become of them? Remember BHO is removing our troops over time from Iraq and placing them in Afghanistan. Has anyone thought how many American will die in Afghanistan, it is a war zone you know, the Russians got their butts kicked in Afghanistan. The only thing BHO's military planning will do is change the return address placed on the casket.

He want to talk to Iran, he will stop Iran from obtaining nuclear power. Really, seems like the French, German, and English have been doing that for several years now, and all Iran keeps on doing is obtaining more and more centrifuges. What would happen if Iran attacked Israel? BHO claims he will act deceitfully. What does that mean? With HRC there is no doubt what she would do, with BHO his words are murky at best. If I was Israel, I might launch a a preemptive attack on Iran, on Inauguration Day.

Prior to the SC primary, BHO's support among the Afro-American community was about 30%. It was only after BHO win in SC and Bill Clinton's comments, which were taken out of context and repeatedly play over and over again, did the black community come to support BHO. But when they were asked why they supported BHO, their answers always came back to "Hope and Change". They never could point to any programs, position BHO held, just the slogan of Hope and Change. Here is the unvarnished truth, the reason why over 90% of blacks vote for BHO is because BHO is black, well half black. HRC isn't receiving 90%+ of the white vote. In fact a number of the Republican votes for BHO are black R's, yes we have about 9%.

BHO votes come from the 18 to 25 year olds, the googley wide eye pollyanna's, who lack any real understanding how life works, much less how the world works. The black vote, because they see this as the very best chance to come along in history to have one of their own occupy the WH. And finally the elitists of all colors, because they know better than you are I, and they see BHO as one of them.

Now we haven't even touch, schools, health, infrastructure, military, defense, energy. BHO will pay for all this, because all you have to do is believe in Hope and Change. You better know what change you are hoping for, as they say when you enter into any legally binding contract, an voting is like a contract, be sure you to read all the fine print, initial and date all pages.

And, Alicia, it's not just the older women. It's every woman and girl in our country who needs to know that they have enough value as human beings to be president.

What's stopping Hillary from running as an independent. Liberman did it and won.

Thank you Gidget for saving Webb and offering up BB as sacrificial lamb. She's not up for reelection this year is she? So she could run for Veep in 2008 and not have to give up her seat right?

Clinton supporters:

Go your own way!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QkzNLdSp0k

(I am confident most of you will vote Democratic in the fall. And that belief is based on the thoughts and views you have shared here . . . not on some mystical belief in my powers of projection ; )

Plus, it is a great tune!

Here is a song I like to listen to to pick me up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sal-bp_ciC4

Thank you Flatus -- for remembering all the ladies of all ages. Well said.

(I'm not THAT old anyway, although the O-Team obviously thinks so.)

You caught me!
Neither of our Senators are up for reelection this year
so it would only be a sacrific if he won...but it might be a way for Obama to shore up the womens vote.
That said, I haven't given up complete hope on HRC...
as deluded as that may sound.
~Gidget

Barbara Boxer is related to Hilary Clinton through marriage -- so Gidget might have something. In the unlikely even that Obama wins, and takes Boxer along to be VEEP, the let's put one of the Sanchez sisters in the Senate. We don't have a Latina in the Senate.

Oooh, rock on with your bad self, Craig, re the Clinton/McCain money comparison!

Yay Criag! Great job out-shouting Dan Abrams. I think you even made him see the light. Good for you!

Craig, thank goodness for you and Lisa Caputo.

I've lost a lot of respect for Alter and Feinman over the past year. I suppose that coincides with the change at the top of Newsweek's masthead.

You were good. The occasion called for strong reaction on your part and you provided it.

Well done.

Golly, it was even enjoyable to watch Keith Olbermann tonight as he was, obviously, extending the olive branch to Clintonistas and not bashing her on every little detail. The water is ok again -- for the most part.

Ugh -- Why did Abrams keep that weasel Alters on and turn Craig loose?

AK

I think Barbara's daughter divorced HRC's brother quite a few years ago.
Great idea...Lorreta Sanchez is great.

~Gidget

Coreen,
Great facts.
It's hard to argue with the numbers.

The Brazile-Begala smackdown
http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/election_2008/2008/05/07/brazile_begala/

Bill: Hillary, you need to end this. I've got a couple of dates set up with those North Carolina honeys I was talkin' about. You know I can't go back out there if the cameras are followin' me around. Now this was all fine when you had Penn back there runnin' things, but come on now.

Hillary: Okay Bill. Let me win West Virginia and Kentucky and then I'll bow out. BTW, do you have Patsi, Geraldine and Gloria's number? I need to talk to them about the evils that men do.

Flatus

The old style newspaper had such divisions
Hard news
feature articles
editorials
paid advertising

Those divisions started getting blurred with radio and TV

Now there is Cable news.

It is like we rolled back time to the 1890's with Hearst and yellow journalism.

Friends don't let friends vote the straight ticket
Vote divided government.
Vote McCain

Friends don't let friends vote Republican

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-qp6suJ9Mc

h

I haven't watched any news today cuz it would only be
talk bout yesterday and accomplishing nothin. So I checked in here and was truly enjoying all the comments and lack of insults, and then came upon Sheila's comment. My first meeting with Sheila was her response to a comment of mine, calling it a load and a crock. I was a little taken aback because I didn'y think my comment was evil. Then Sheila began to write very nice sympathetic and inclusive comments and I thought I had over re-acted to what she said to me.

But, now, Sheila is saying that I, and a few others:
#1prefer to listen to lies
#2are not listening and won't listen
#3prefer (want) to hate Obama
#4are trying to spoon feed mis-information
#5can get the truth only from her and a few others.

She said this with well-intentioned kindness, or as much as she could muster in her soul. I don't think you really mean your soul is like that, Sheila. You've shown yourself to be much too reasonable and nice to have a soul as empty of kindness as that. You really changed the tone of the blog today.

Sheila, I listen and have been listening for years as have you, and I think you know different people hear different things in the same words. I cerrtainly do not hate Obama. I don't hate republicans or communists or George Bush. If I hate anyone it's the true Nazi. If you don't like what I think and say, you can say so without calling me stupid or a pod person. I will say to you that I feel very confident in my intelligence and morality and love and good will for my fellow man - I cede superiority in any of those qualities to no one.

I could say I did listen to Obama and that's why I am for Clinton, but that won't cut it, will it? Believe me, I understand why Obama people like him, and I wish you could understand why I and others like Clinton. I ABSOLUTELY don't think you are stupid or imoral or amoral or evil or fools or inferior to believe him while I believe her. I simply don't lie being talked to like that and won't accept it without speaking up.

To anyone who is still reading, I am an independent because I think the DNC is an org whose main goal is to accumulate power. The power it uses may be more humanely used than the RNC, and the philosophy it follows may be more decent, but we are asked to believe they have the best interests of us at heart. I would like to see some reason to believe that. Each Democratic voter does not have the same value to his/her vote. You may send them your money but you may not be as much value as anothe Democratic voter. What about that sounds right? They use us to get that power - they do not listen to us. They want us to listen to them. How is it that so many stations have dropped Craig Crawford and why don't we heard from Cokie and Steve Roberts more? The DNC could help them to be heard, but won't. The walls of the DNC need to be stormed a la
La Bastille and the people, the real people, should make a new structure.

Jonatan Alter is not the man he used to be - I've decided it's bacause he has been fighting brain cancer, or so I've been given to understand. Maybe that's why he's has lost his ability to be wise. Fineman loves being loved by the group at msnbc, that's all.

Okay, I guess it's time to let anybody who wants to lambaste me.

I think Alter is basically a decent guy who is being pushed by what's his name--his name escapes me, the new editor.

I'm really glad that he's looking well after the health episodes he's been through.

I wish Newsweek was doing as well as he is (I am a subscriber).

Darn it, I got so wrapped up in my comment that I missed As Time Goes By!

bethyboo, I feel very much as you do. Thanks for your comment.

Flatus...

Newsweek's new editor is Jon Meacham. He's a brilliant man.

"How bout showing us Obama supporters the same courtesy and respect."

LOL
now that is funny

With regard to the msm motivation, in particular, this primary season, it seems that the perception by some of us (mostly Clinton supporters) that there is a huge obama slant bordering on idolatry may be real. Came across this article of statements made by Salon's Joan Walsh on cnn about her fellow talkers, et al.

http://patterico.com/2008/05/04/salons-joan-walsh-most-media-hate-hillary/

bettyboo

"Believe me, I understand why Obama people like him, and I wish you could understand why I and others like Clinton."

I have a pretty good idea of why (some) people like Clinton. After fighting with Wendy! for weeks (I would say sparring - but the gloves were certainly off on some occasions) - I realized that we had essentially mutually-exclusive ideas for supporting the candidate.

Now mind you - I don't mean set-in-stone - but at least as long as the nomination fight lasted. Because our arguments were like two ships passing in the night.

She likes the fact Hillary is a "fighter". That she has 35 years of Washington "experience". And that she has been fighting tooth and nail with the GOP for years - and has the scars to prove it.

I like Obama because he is a "uniter". As cliche as that may sound - but you can hear it in his 2004 speech, his book and his story. (People that don't fit in with a specific "group" - tend to be friends with everyone ; ).

And I like that he does not have the battle scars (and all the resentment and animosity that comes with them). I also think it is an advantage to have a limited record in Washington. People get locked into positions because of things they said years ago - under different circumstances - and often in a different political climate. I think it is good for politicians to "change" and evolve their ideas.

(And the "gotcha" politics that both law makers and the media like to play with those "records" is counterproductive and does nothing to further the debate.)

I think Obama can bring about a real change to Washington. And it is not just because of what Obama is doing in this race - it is the elections of 2006 - where many incumbents were defeats by relative "outsiders" such as Webb and Claire M., etc.

I think there are plenty of capable people out in America - and not all of them live in Washington.

Well before I hit the sack I want to address a couple comments I read above. There for no particular commenter, but just a few thoughts about them.

First if any of you are going to switch parties and become an Independent remember this.

Once you become an Independent unless you live in a state that has open primaries you will lose the right to vote for a candidate you support whether there Republican or Democrat.

If the candidate you support loses the nomination for that parties primary you will only be able to support the choices on the ballot in the General Election and you may not like the choices being offered.

So before you switch parties make sure you can live with your choice because you will have no say in who will be on the ticket in the General.
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Next I want to cover my thoughts on the comment about Hillary running as a third party candidate.

I had thought about this some time ago as an option for Obama if the nomination is not given to him after winning the popular vote, most states won and most pledged delegates.

I felt that he should use the Charles Schumer option that was used to put Judas Iscariot Lieberman back in the Senate after the Democrats in Connecticut firmly rejected him. Judas won because he had the support of the Republican Party who did nothing to help their own party member who was running for the seat.

I felt that Obama's campaign should have been out gathering signatures for a spot on the General Election Ballot as a Third Party Candidate under a new party called the Constitution Party should the nomination be denied to him after the above items I mentioned.

I firmly believe that if Obama ran as a third party candidate he could win the General against both McCain and Hillary and here is why.

Those Democrats who did vote for him would still vote for him. He would take the AA vote throughout the country carrying the 90% or better that he has so far.

He would carry all the new voters he has brought into the political process which I also believe is far more than Hillary has brought in.

He would take at least 40% to 45% of the Independent voters thereby denying McCain and Hillary votes they would need to win the General.

He would also take I believe 25% of the Republican vote away from McCain. Those would be the Republicans who feel that the Republican Party has abandoned them as many of those who left the the Democratic Party who felt that they had abandoned them as well.

I also believe that he would still be able to help the Democratic Party with the downward ticket as well by endorsing those whom he felt would work for a change in our countries politics as well as finally putting the Country first before all else.

I don't see that happening with either Hillary or McCain as it will just be politics as usual and we will still see the same divisiveness in our Government as we have had for the last twenty or more years.

Under both Hillary and McCain I see no hope for turning our country around and changing the course and future our country is heading for, which I see as a total collapse of our Democracy.

Whether or not Obama can make the changes needed I believe that he will do all he can to start the process and move our country forward instead of backward.

I believe that he will have the support from both sides of the aisle to start the process and anyone who won't or isn't willing to work towards that goal we the people can remove from office by voting them out when their up for re election.

Since most of you are pro Hillary I doubt very much that you would agree with me on anything in this comment, however you may want to think about what will happen to our country if you vote for McCain or even Hillary if the nomination is given to her over Obama after the above reasons I feel he should get the nomination.

That's it for me, have to get some sleep. After all I still have to work for a living to keep a roof over my head, clothes on my back and food in my belly.

Good night and ...

God Bless.

Head line

Obama loses Jewish support!!!!!!
But then so does Hillary

2004 kerry 76% Bush 24%
2000 Gore 79% Bush 19%
1996 Clinton 78% Dole 16%
1992 Clinton 80% Bush 11%
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/jewvote.html

Obama 61% McCain 31%
HRC 66% McCain 27%
http://www.gallup.com/poll/107059/Obama-Beats-McCain-Among-Jewish-Voters.aspx

Anyone;
First it was James Clyburn saying, if BO didn't win it was Bill Clinton's fault, now it's because he forgot that the middle part of the population votes,as well as the Elites and the AA. Bill Clinton made the Dems look very good in the 90's but Matt Drudge and the rest of the press treated the White House with Ken Starr's contempt, I'm not suprised that they aren't real good friends with the press and let's not forget David Shuster accusing them of pimping out Chelsea but BO's daugters in a video are perfectly all right, getting back to Bill, with all their back-room machinations all they could find was a sex scandal, we know that won't happen with BO because his mouthy old lady has had him neutered - he'll be a very good puppet for all the bad losers of yesterday, Teddy Kennedy, John Kerry, Chris Dodd. and Tom Daschle, who would like to swing a behind the scenes change in the power structure of the DNC. If I was Hillary and had been publically and internationally humiliated over nothing, I would hunt down and take out - in whatever way possible - those who were responsible, her restraint has been impressive. She's a very bright gal who could, given half a chance , clean up "W's" mess, but isn't that what Republikans et al are afraid of, that she might make it work and how would that make them look for the next 8 years. Since Hillary and Bill are so under-appreciated by the Dems maybe she should consider becoming Independent, isn't that what middle America is anyway?

Coreen
When Craig was making his point to Abrams tonight that it was irresponsible and wrong for the media (pundits, newspapers, etc) to flat pronounce HRC finished, over, done...I kept flashing on Tim Russert pronouncement last night....and I was actually praying that Craig, as he argued with Dan, wouldn't use Tim as the prime example....because he CC is on MSNBC nearly often enough and Tim could make sure it was a lot less! Just ask Arianna Huffington!
~Gidget

Oops...that should read NOT nearly enough!

Oops...that should read NOT nearly enough!

"Under both Hillary and McCain I see no hope for turning our country around and changing the course and future our country is heading for, which I see as a total collapse of our Democracy.
Whether or not Obama can make the changes needed I believe that he will do all he can to start the process"

Ah. The excuses begin. He can't really change anything. But he can "start the process."

I knew the O-bots would start to lower expectations.

CHANGE OF SUBJECT --(good thing, too, huh?)

I have sent money to Doctors Without Borders - they are ON the ground in Yangon and getting people to the hinterlands. Don't wait for governments to iron out their differences. DWS has a good website and up to date field news reports. If you're a usgovt employee, check that out. Those people are more than hurting.

I can't sleep right now so i thought I would briefly respond Bethyboo. I thank you for your post earlier.

I just want you and others to know that as the minority here, for the last year we have actually been pretty silent about the body of critisism that we and our candidate have taken.

When I said your post was a load and a crock, it just hit on one of those days, where I knew what you wrote was not really true. I'm sure it was from your emotions too.

What I have noticed here is, you guys always feel so free to slam, critisize, express yourselves, and whatever comes into your minds. But when it comes to us, you feel that we are over the top and we are particularly villinous when we open our digital mouths.

So forgive me if sometimes I, or another member of our trail mix Obama supporters lose it.

Please remember this when there has been a particularly peaceful thread and then someone takes umbrage from an innocent post and gets strung up by the majority.

I'm just asking for some sensitivety. The people who are upset most of the time ware the rest of us lurkers down.

Thank goodness about Michigan! Now for Florida. How many Delegates per candidate?

You know what Obama just did when it comes to Michigan delegates? He just slid her a chip, just like you do at the poker table after you've cleaned your opponent's clock. Taxi money. Thanks for coming and bringing the dip money. A bit of something to make you feel not so bad when you tell your hubby that the college fund is gone and the mortgage is in jeopardy. Maybe she'll get two chips for Florida?

Never mind... ;0) I saw

Sheila...

Like you too I am having a hard time getting to sleep so I came back to see who would be the first to slam my comment and who do you suppose it was. Take a guess since I won' t tell.

Good night Sheila. I think the slammer will not be changed in there opinion over what I commented on earlier. I'm glad to see your still around and hope your doing well.

And now my response to you know who.

Patsi...

"Ah. The excuses begin. He can't really change anything. But he can "start the process."

I knew the O-bots would start to lower expectations."

I'm not making excuses though you seem to think so. Our country is so screwed up right now that it may take a very long time to reverse the damage done over not just the past eight years, but for the twenty or more years I mentioned.

You can only work on a few changes at a time and McCain nor Hillary are interested in doing that. They like the status quo and will not do anything to upset their apple carts.

So I suppose that Hillary or McCain will just step in and change everything that is wrong with our country on day one.

I doubt that very much and if you think differently than your on some sort of mind altering drugs. It will take a very long time to repair the damage to our Constitution, our Integrity as a Nation, our Foreign Policy, the War, the Economy and all the other problems our country is facing right now.

It can not be done on day one and to promote that Hillary can do so is a bigger fairy tale than Obama's speeches which has been called a fairy tale by Bill and Hillary.

But then your entitled to your opinion just like everyone else who comments here.

I'm wondering though what excuses you'll offer up if Hillary does get the nomination and wins the General when she is unable to work across the aisle or get anything done without the help of the opposition party who only needs to retain 41 seats in the Senate to block Democratic policy.

You think that we won't still hear the "But we don't have the votes" from the Democrats?

Good luck and if we have elections and Hillary is the nominee and wins I will watch for your excuses when that happens.

AN
On a happier subject
How are you and your new "Baby" doing? (Or did you change her name?)
~Gidget

Hi Gidget...

Baby's doing good and I'm not changing her name. I'm thinking of changing the name of the other cat I adopted since it don't fit her.

I spoke to the Lady who runs the rescue shelter from where I got her. I will meet with her tomorrow after work and complete the adoption.

At that time I will get her medical records and other information I will need for the vet when I take her in this Saturday.

Still haven't decided on a name yet as none seem to come to mind that fit her at this time. I'm sure I will have one by Saturday though.

Anyway thank you for asking. I really need to try to get some sleep now since I get up at 4:30am for work.

Take care and...

God Bless.

I take back what I said about George McGovern. He was pretty eloquent on CNN.

Good night everyone.

"It can not be done on day one and to promote that Hillary can do so is a bigger fairy tale than Obama's speeches which has been called a fairy tale by Bill and Hillary."

Hillary's supporters have never said that. Moreover: Who has the record of working across the aisle? Not Barack Obama.

However. I just love the way you and several others respond to any questioning. You say anything, everything, including denigrating a former Democratic president, and yet when anyone counters it is "tsk, tsk" -- look how negative you are.

That said, it doesn't matter -- this was fixed from the beginning.

Character-wise, "O" is "W." And I can't wait to see you all driving around with your "O" the President bumper stickers.

What about Michigan. Missed it. Was off to do other things.

julie

Found the article on Michigan on real clear politics.

george will questions for Obama excellent article

http://www.newsweek.com/id/134316

Julie

night all

I am a man of my word.
This morning I withdrew my membership from DNC
That not only saves me money every month, but makes me an independent!

In this case I do not feel obliged to vote for Obama if he is the nominee come November, and if HRC is the nominee she knows more independents have voted for her...

Life is Good...

Good Morning Everyone. I didn't know that Alter had brain cancer. I wouldn't have called him a weasel if I'd known. That would be bad juju. However, I can still strongly disagree with him.

Jason
I'm going to withdraw my membership today also
I'll vote for her as an independent too!

this blog appears to be for people who believe in nothing and hope for everything. if you don't like the choices get your lazy useless asses out there and run for something. you did not demand much when you elected that circus clown george bush. you are all a joke.

To anyone;
I cannot vote for Obama. He is just another entry level male about to take a position better suited for the well-qualified woman. This is clearly a ploy by a large group of men determined to prevent a woman from sitting above them in the White House. His skin color means nothing to me though he has used it repeatedly during this campaign to stir the ranks of African Americans. So many of those folks voted for the first time because they see something that doesn't really belong to them. Here's a guy born in a white middle class family in Kansas, fathered by a man from Kenya. You could almost say he's a first generation part African American, however, he was raised in Indonesia and later in the Hawaiian Islands. Educated through private schools and elite colleges, he moved to Chicago and chose the most separate church to attain a sense of black America. He's a flimflam man with a silver tongue. He has mesmerized those who forgot the tune of the snake oil salesman and coerced the only thing they could afford to spend on their own future; their vote. He learned how to stir the ranks from Rev Wright. I am still wondering why no one has taken a closer look at his contributions. With this failing economy, rising foreclosures, the cost of gas, etc., who can send Obama more than a few bucks? I don't trust him or the oily men that stand behind him. He claims Washington is broken but it's those very same men that broke our backs that stand behind Obama. Look very closely. The truth is obvious. And it all started in 2004 when they introduced the man to take on Hillary in 2008. An empty suit groomed by America's most elite. Look again at Michigan. Obama's removed his name for what reason? And Florida; he campaigned. Isn't there a penalty for that per the DNC rules? A penalty of delegates, perhaps? Where is the truth?

Hear, Hear, beatwork - he should be off playing basketball with rest of the kids. He may become something really good if his (very unclassy) other half drops dead. How much can you get done if all your energies are spent putting out race fires, and how will that help the economy, gas prices, the mortgage meltdown, and the wars, things that need to be looked after now so that there is something left for the races(all) to fight over.

Here's the deal Hillary supporters, if you support any policies Hillary says she does and you support anything beyond her name about her and you propose to vote McCain or not vote Obama if he's the nominee, you are either lying or deluded. You cannot have it both ways, you cannot logically support Hillary R Clinton (NY-D) and say you won't vote the (D) nominee. She might personally loath him, but she would tell you to your face that there is no alternative.

I will make plain for you something you ignore by choice because it does not fit your narrative, there is a huge volume of oppo information regarding Hillary available for anyone who wants to use it, Obama has not used any of it. Not one iota. Surrogates and web-fanatics have complained about race, he hasn't. The Rev Wright and Rezko are small potatoes compared to the stuff lurking in Hillary's closet. You do remember the 90s don't you? There was actual stuff there, despite the Republican's lies making more of it. It has never been mentioned. It could have been used as a ball bat to the head- nothing. Some of you are too twisted to understand the restraint that has been shown your candidate, some of you might just wake up a little.

No politician is a saint, not Obama and certainly not Hillary. If you take them as such you are bound for a fall. If you link yourself to them beyond all reason, you will suffer for it, because it's magic rather than reality and life teaches serious lessons to magical thinkers. Both candidates have their shortcomings, like any human - I may think Hillary's outweigh Obama's, and I may be pretty pissed at how she's run in a Democratic Primary, but I would never consider staying at home or voting McSame. The stakes are too high, the outcome too desperate, to act so irresponsibly. Take my word for it, me voting for HRC would take some serious nose holding, but I'd hold away.

This isn't a case of my Party - right or wrong - it is a case of either is so vastly better than McSame that I'd vote for someone I have little respect for and not one bit of affection for over him. Do with this as you will, some of you are amenable to reason, some are asses.

Oh, God, you didn' mention Ohio, did you?
That's just lke talking about Rev. Wright.
I have finally gotten to watch some of what the Rev. said on his revival tour.
It's very hard to believe Obama never heard him put down an ethnic group or say anything ugly about white people in his presence.
Very hard to believe.
Just like winning in November without having won the Ohio and Pennsylvania primaries.

Close your eyes, and Obama is just another man. Real change is Hillary. And there's plenty more packed away in his luggage...we only got a peek. McCain and his entourage will rip those bags open for a full show and tell come autumn. Meanwhile, the best candidate has been trampled because of her sex. I'd recommend a sex change to Hillary but it's a brutal procedure. Especially when they drill a hole in the cranium to suction out half the brain!