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Good Morning Craig

Hillary was brillant on ABC this morning....

This will be used to push the idea that Obama is BEYOND liberal. It fits into the narrative that the Right Wing is developing - "Barack Hussein Obama is too extreme for America". The RW can hardly wait to rip into him. I hear and read about Rev Wright being a "body blow" - he is only a gentle tap compared to what the Attack/Smear machine is prepared to hit Obama with if he is the nominee.

(Yes, I know it is Cliff Kincaid - Accuracy in Media)

"WND reported earlier when Cliff Kincaid wrote at Accuracy in Media about the link between Frank Marshall Davis, a member of the old Moscow-controlled Communist Party USA, and Obama, who cited a mysterious "Frank" in his book.

The writings of Davis are being reviewed because he served as a father-figure to Obama, a leading candidate for the Democratic nomination for U.S. president.

They were together while Obama was growing up in Hawaii, and in his book, "Dreams From My Father," Obama acknowledges he took advice from a black poet named "Frank," Kincaid said.

...a full report will be released May 22 on how communist and socialist forces have influenced Obama.

Herbert Romerstein, a former investigator for the House Committee on Un-American Activities, will present a detailed report on Obama's years in Hawaii, when he came into contact with and under the influence of a member of the Communist Party, Frank Marshall Davis," Kincaid said.

He also will detail "Obama's years in Chicago, when he came into contact with and under the influence of communists, socialists, and even communist terrorists. There is a very disturbing pattern here … It can be no accident that Obama always seems to gravitate to the most extreme, anti-American forces. If you think Rev. [Jeremiah] Wright [Obama's pastor] is something, wait until you see the information that we have developed."

(Yes, I know it is WND)

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=63212

hi jamie, thanks for hosting our derby pool yesterday. what a shame it turned out to be such a tragic race

all the commenters say the media is too much playing the wright controversy, so what does wolf do? He shows 'em another clip of rev wright.........lol

Rangle is one cool hand.......

oh gordo, i admire your steadfastness, but a link and shorter excerpts from sites like world net daily would be enough for me. altho i get your point that, legit or not, sites like that are going to drive much of the right wing talk in the general and dems shouldn't ignore it. just would rather see shorter excerpts on here if you don't mind

from the last post on the last thread,
Re-Post:

truemax said this, "I suspect Democrats might prefer defeat, but that is their decision to make."

so, am I reading this correctly Max, you are not a part of the Democrats like you have been saying for as long as you have been writing on this blog? If you misspoke, that is not like you or you have always been misspeaking. Are you a Republican?

yo soy Horsedooty!

happy weekend gang....

my Derby pick, Anak Nakal, came in 7th..... not too shabby for a 60-1 shot....
I am totally bummed about Eight Belles....

and yes..... I said a silent toast for CBob as they took off out of the starting gate....

and now for something completely different....
GO CELTICS!

"Yes! I totally agree with Renee! GO CELTICS! FOR GOD SAKES! GO CELTICS!" - David Stern NBA Commisioner

Tim Russert asked Obama at the end of the show this morning (twice) if he would support Hillary if she wins the nomination and his reply was--"I will work for the Democrats in November." He would not say Hillary and it reminded me of the answer Michelle Obama gave when asked the same question a while back--that she "would have to think about that"--what's up with these people?

It seems that Arianna Huffington has run up against the impenetrable wall that is Tim Russert’s ego. Huffington, who is currently on tour for her new book Right Is Wrong: How The Lunatic Fringe Hijacked America, Shredded The Constitution, and Made Us All Less Safe, will be appearing on CNN, ABC, and CBS. She had been booked on Morning Joe and Countdown with Keith Olbermann as well, but those bookings were suddenly and inexplicably cancelled.

NBC confirmed that Huffington wouldn’t be booked on any NBC-affiliated show to promote her book, but refused to explain why. Huffington’s people say that this is Tim Russert’s doing, that Russert is out for revenge because Huffington called him a “conventional wisdom zombie” in her book and devoted seven pages to faulting Russert for allowing his Meet the Press guests to go unchallenged (not to mention HuffPo’s RussertWatch).

Oh, did the poor widdle WATB get his feelings hurt? Or were Arianna’s words just a little too close for comfort?
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/04/30/tim-russert-takes-offense-bans-arianna-huffington-from-nbc-news/

Gordo

"Yes, I know it is WND)"

If you "know" why do you bother?

Thank you Craig,

It was horrific. The whole idea behind the synthetic track is that it helps prevent the catastrophic breakdowns such as what happened to Eight Belles. Churchill Downs has been a hold out on the track conversion because many of their trainers are opposed as the synthetic somewhat mimics turf and the dirt bred horses don't seem to do as well causing an upheaval in the breeding community. I side with the group that favors protecting the horses at all costs.

This may be what it takes to finally force the issue.

Good afternoon everyone. It's a beautiful day in NoVa and I've been out working in the yard and sprucing up the deck. This tragic horse race still has me down, especially since I went on HuffPo last night and read how the Obama people were snickering that Hillary's horse went down and how prophetic they thought that was. They were all so ugly about it. I think that is going to be a real choking point for party unity should Obama win the nomination -- Hillary's fanbase has been so denigrated and abused by the Obamabots.

CNN is talking right now about how Obama is being used b the GOP against vulnerable DEM in swing districts. Travis Childres is trying t run as fast as he can way from Obama.

"so, am I reading this correctly Max, you are not a part of the Democrats like you have been saying for as long as you have been writing on this blog? If you misspoke, that is not like you or you have always been misspeaking. Are you a Republican?"

Hammer hit, nail inserted, Doots. He's never been a Democrat. He's very right wing.

On the other hand, I'm not sure what I think about the party these days. All you have to do is read the so-called progressive message boards to see the type of mentality taking over. The sexism is not just blatent, but has an almost sexual violence to it. If this is the path we're going down, I've probably worked my last campaign. Maybe these boys are right. I'm just too old to appreciate the "when rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it" crowd.

Good afternoon everyone. It's a beautiful day in NoVa and I've been out working in the yard and sprucing up the deck. This tragic horse race still has me down, especially since I went on HuffPo last night and read how the Obama people were snickering that Hillary's horse went down and how prophetic they thought that was. They were all so ugly about it. I think that is going to be a real choking point for party unity should Obama win the nomination -- Hillary's fanbase has been so denigrated and abused by the Obamabots.

CNN is talking right now about how Obama is being used by the GOP against vulnerable DEM in swing districts. Travis Childres is trying to run as fast as he can away from Obama, saying, "I don't know him, I've never even met him. Unfortunately, Childers has a direct mail piece out touting his endorsement by Obama.

Gordo

"Yes, I know it is WND)"

If you "know" why do you bother?

Posted by: Jamie | May 4, 2008 1:32 PM

You know, this has bothered me a lot too. I am a staunch Hillary supporter, but I don't think it does us any good to use a rag sheet for "information" and then just say "Yes, I know it is WND". That's just foolishness.

horseracing = nascar for the elite

Kiki

Tell that to the $3.00 railbirds. Besides. NASCAR doesn't give you the chance to leave with more money than you brought in. :-)

Sorry for the double post.

Jamie -- NASCAR doesn't give you the chance to leave with more money than you brought in.

That depends on who you know at the track. :-)

" He would not say Hillary and it reminded me of the answer Michelle Obama gave when asked the same question a while back--that she "would have to think about that"

This is part of the rather sarcastic, mean side that seems to come out whenever he is pressured with a question he doesn't like. It gets reflected in all the pro Obama websites and from so many of the media people siding with his candidacy. I consider it just one more symptom of his lack of experience for the job he is seeking.

So now the press tells candidates when to quit?
by Eric Boehlert

History continues to unfold on many levels as the protracted Democratic Party primary race marches on, featuring the first woman and the first African-American with a real shot at winning the White House.

Here's another first: the press's unique push to get a competitive White House hopeful to drop out of the race. It's unprecedented.

http://mediamatters.org/columns/200804300001

Kiki -- You've obviously never done the infield at the Preakness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq5snDokcDs&NR=1

The words "Elite" and "Baltimore" don't belong in the same sentence, LOL.

q

I agree Patsi. Hasn't he tho been saying all along that he always votes Democratic? That is my recollection. I was just waiting for him to out himself and he did.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Jamie -------------------------

"If you "know" why do you bother?"

What does that mean? Are you aware that WND was on the Rev Wright story long ago? Of course not because like so many Dems, you do not follow the Right Wing. I know you consider all this to be nothing but "crud" (to use your word from a few days ago), well this "crud" is causing Obama plenty of trouble. I'm serious when I say that the Wright story is only the beginning of the "crud" they are ready to throw at Obama. It takes time for this "crud" to get into MSM. But continue to live in your "fantasy world" along with Obama supporters. Are you afraid to look at Right Wing sites? Apparently, the answer is yes. It's really hilarious to hear all this discussion about Rev Wright and how bad he has been for Obama when I know how how BAD it can get.

Why doesn't Mathews come right out and say he is for Bo.This morning on his show he said we have to get him to spend more on ads in Indiana so he can beat her.Is he a co-chair?
Ruth

While we are waiting for the next primary and results, here is an interesting website to while away the time.

http://www.globalincidentmap.com:80/home.php

It lists terroism and other suspicious incidents, of the past week or so...I was surprised how quiet things are in South America.

Re: Max

Just because he is conservative doesn't mean he isn't a Democrat. The Democrats are not monolithic. If they were, this damn process would be over by now.

I grew up in Minnesota where I thought all Democrats were DFL which means Democratic-Famer-Labor. I was in for the shock of my life when I moved to Washington State and found a different sort of Dems there.

I don't see the point of accusing someone of not being a Democrat because you don't like what he says.

Tom

McCain leads Obama in general election; Clinton-McCain essentially even
May 4, 2008Gallup Poll Daily tracking shows 49% of Democratic voters nationwide preferring Barack Obama for the party’s presidential nomination, while 45% prefer Hillary Clinton. Obama still trails John McCain by a significant margin in general election polling, while Clinton and McCain are essentially tied.More ...http://www.gallup.com/tag/Gallup%2bDaily.aspx

Patsi,

can you post some examples of what you mean about this statement? I guess we don't read the same progressive blogs so I am confused. Plus I am not very smart either so any help I can get is greatly appreciated.

Patsi said,"On the other hand, I'm not sure what I think about the party these days. All you have to do is read the so-called progressive message boards to see the type of mentality taking over. The sexism is not just blatent, but has an almost sexual violence to it. If this is the path we're going down, I've probably worked my last campaign. Maybe these boys are right. I'm just too old to appreciate the "when rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it" crowd."

yo soy Horsedooty!

"Democrats Prefer to Lose" - I don't think that's particularly accurate. I think we Democrats just have the propensity to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory. Give a group of Democrats each a gun and put them in a circle, and they'll start shooting at each other. Perhaps this can be said about any group, but this election should be a cakewalk, as should have been the Kerry candidacy, but our party keeps choosing fatally flawed candidates. I don't get it. Plus, liberals don't know how to fight dirty. The Republicans have made it an art form. If Dems want to win and win big, they have to be as ruthless and gonad grabbing as the Repugs are...

Our party allowed Ronald Reagan to make "liberal" a bad word. We allowed the Repugs to set the debate on social spending, programs, welfare, food stamps, health care... This was stopped a great deal when Clinton was President, and certainly in the 2006 Congressional elections Rahm Emmanuel was a tenacious fighter going blow for blow.

The Dems need to find their balls and stop being so wimpy. Goddammit!

EuroTom -----------------

Just saw your post. The reason I started posting (Yes, I know it is ***) is because anything from one these Right Wing sites was dismissed by saying "Don't you know that is from *** "

If Dems want to know what the Repubs are planning, go to these sites.

Gordo

"Of course not because like so many Dems, you do not follow the Right Wing"

How do you know? Most of us check out the political blogs. It's just that you publish the same thing over and over and over. It's like being nagged to death. After a point it becomes an irritant not an encouragement.

"voters nationwide preferring Barack Obama".

It will tie up again after Tuesday and voters nationwide still prefer her to Obama to beat McCain.

or enlightenment

yo soy Horsedooty!

one OF these

"some examples of what you mean about this statement?"

Well, Doots -- from the early days of this fiasco, I've read several lines of thought coming from Kos, Dem Underground and several others. Some are about Hillary's physical attributes: fat butt, thick ankles. Others are about her voice, shrill, cackle. Others are about how she must be a lesbian or a wash in bed because Bill screws around on her. Now those are the mild ones. Then take Olberman's "some guy should take her in a room and only he emerges" comment that the Obamaboys lapped up.

I've read several that suggested that "what she needs is" followed by "UGH! I wouldn't 'do' her" type answers.
And like Alicia noted, now they've added the jokes about "Big Brown" wins and Ding Dong the filly is dead.

There is an ugly quality strting to show up in certain young men....used to be a style of the Freepers. But now it's spread. What it tells me is that it's been out there all along but people didn't spout off about it.

But I will tell you this, if I'd have heard my son say things like that he'd have got a smackdown.

I suspect another thing about some of these guys. I think underneath the surface they are racist. Most of them have no contact with the normal black community...maybe a couple of politicos or lawyers. But nobody from the hood.

I think given the right impetus they'd use the same ugly tone about blacks as they are using when talking about women.

Does it really matter? I think all three of the remaining candidates suck. None of them will hold the Bush administration accountable for their illegal actions while in office. I am so sick of hearing about the Clinton clan. I don't trust her. Obama is an unknown quantity trying too hard to please everyone. McCain is simply another big business repub, only more wacked out than the last batch of criminals in Washington.

Gordo
I agree with Zoey...you're my Newshound (We watch Fox so you don't have to)...
only for the Right Wing Webs.
I appreciate it ...
~G

gordo, max & the rest of you spooks and pseudo spooks
I appreciate the glimpses into the nether world that your posts cite. however, like our host, I believe briefiness is next to glueiness.
tom
right on. an ecosystem without diversity soon dies and feeds on its own before that death.

Jamie,

It was a great race yesterday despite the filly. No one would find enjoyment in that. Tradition is a tough competitor on any field. It's hard to get anyone to make changes. I suspect it will take more breakdowns and a few more years (proof) until all the tracks go the synthetic route. Back to the race.

I was thinking BB would go the lead and keep it. He had to make up quite a bit to get where he was on the first turn, about 5 wide and a couple back. Still a good spot for him, clear and no trouble, plus it was a slow first half mile.

As I recall you liked him early too. I was a Pyro fan with CCMan, but that was before I think BB was in. It was not until I saw his FL Derby race that sold me. He looks like triple crown material albeit without a classic name.

I was at the casino, but not many down here have a sports book. We may have to find one for the next two big races. I'm not a big fan of Emerald Downs. I just want top see the one race.

Boyz Club -- thanks for that Media Matters link. SPOT ON!

Jamie -----------------------

We have had this discussion before - you go with MSM. I could tell you plenty about MSM dishonesty. In many ways, it is worse than these extreme sites because people tend to believe MSM. While you may think there is nothing new, that is not correct. But how would you know? You stated that you don't read my posts or go to the links. Is it ESP again?

Russert spent 20 minutes of a 40 minute show on the Wright controversy and this is a cartoon from the Indiana Star.

http://blogs.indystar.com/varvelblog/archives/2008/04/denials.html

http://www.thestar.com/World/Columnist/article/421225

I actually live in the Hood. the people that live behind me are Afro-American as are the neighbors that live to my left and across the street across from Bill.

There are soul food restaurants and liquor stores and a section 8 housing project across the big street from where I live. There are far more Obama signs in this part of the hood than in other parts of town.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Horsedooty how would you rate your community in terms of integration, safety, and livability?

Gordo

"You stated that you don't read my posts or go to the links. Is it ESP again? "

I don't go to the links From Here. That doesn't mean I don't glance through them. It isn't your posting them that bothers me, it is having to wade through the same thing over and over and over just to get to the posts where people are actually talking to each other. You are much nicer and much more entertaining when you are speaking for yourself instead of just regurgitating a copy and paste.

Rezdog, Harborwoman and I were talking about meeting at Emerald Downs one Saturday during the live meet. Would you like to join us?

it's almost my bed time :-( back to work in the morning. At the end of the week I will be in Amsterdam and next weekend in Paris.... I guess I shouldn't complain too much :)

I heard of Emerald Downs

ET,

I have lived here for about 25 years and never been broken into robbed or felt threatened. We have Afro-Americans and Whites and Mexicans all living in the same area. It gets a little noisy over at the Section 8 apts and a little trashy around the first of the month when someone is evicted and the furniture is sitting on the curb. My 82 year old mother lives by herself about 3 blocks away and she feels the same way as I do.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Well that is a great commentary Horsedooty! Too bad about the Section 8 problems, but all in all, it's a good place to live it sounds like.

Thank you for sharing and replying.

Sure Jamie,
We just have to do some planning if it's for day. We have several dogs that we need someone in to feed and let out.

doesn't working in the south side of Chicago as an organizer for many years count as knowing what the "down and out" are about Patsi? I would dare say Obama has sat in kitchens and on the "stoops" of the down and out and working class black man. That is part and parcel to what organizers do.

yo soy Horsedooty!

I agree with Zoey..... I don't have time to read this blog as much as I'd like to.... let alone other blogs..... I didn't get what Gordo was about at first..... now I get it and I read his posts...... as for clicking on his links...... I rarely click on anyone's links....... don't want to spend that much time on this machine..... I prefer real life.....

Corey..... I admit I know very little about basketball...... I've never been into it... I started to watch the Atlanta/Boston series because my brother was raving so much about his beloved Celtics on a telephone call last week.....

and BTW.... I read Max's posts..... don't always agree with them..... but I find them well thought out and I appreciate them....

Patsi..... very glad to see you posting again....

I scroll by some people's posts...... other's I read avidly.... I say let each choose his/her own and stop whining about it..... just my 2cents.....

Nick -- We might be neighbors -- I don't know many people from DC who come down to F'burg for First Fridays. BTW, I have a good friend who is doing the AVON walk for a cure for breast cancer in DC this weekend. I didn't realize that the Juvenile Diabetes walk was also this weekend.

~Alicia

Jamie,
Since you mentioned it. . maybe you guys would drop down to north Lacey (exit 111) for the Preakness or Belmont. Hawks Prairie Casino has a simulcast room, plus restaurant and bar. Lunch, my treat. Otherwise the track's fine. This would not require much planning for me and wouldn't have to be all day. However, you guys may want to see some horseflesh..:)

Doots, in your part of your community, do you think most peoples' expectations of what an Obama victory could (or couldn't) achieve are realistic?

Afternoon, all.

A brief checkin while LP is practicing basketball. HD, I think MoDo has the lowdown on Obama and his apparent discomfort among those who he has tried to distance himself from. Thsi from the biggest name Clinton basher on the Times editorial page.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/04/opinion/04dowd.html?ref=opinion

Sad about 8 Belles.

Gordo, thanks for the posts - just follow Craig's request - keep the c/p shorter and speak for yourself more.

Max - ignore the man behind the curtain.

Mr Bush is talking at the Greensburg HS graduation. He's obviously enjoying himself and is charming.

"doesn't working in the south side of Chicago as an organizer for many years count as knowing what the "down and out" are about "

I'm not sure. I have never felt he in any way identifies with working class anybody, and that was before the small town comments. I just feel like he couldn't sit down and have much of a conversation with a lot of people. But that aside, my real problem with him goes back to the beginnings of "I am Joshua."

Patsi, I have never been able to visualize him in the role, either.

Hi gang,

Did Bill Clinton seek advice from Reverand Wright? I have heard that somehwere and don't know if its true.

What happens if Obama wins and the Superdelagates are for Hillary? Do you guys think the Superdelegates will vote for Hilary anyway or will they refuse to vote at all?

Wright attended a Whitehouse prayer breakfast in the post Monica era. Later being the good Christian he is,Wright used Lewinsky to attack the Clintons from the pulpit. Of course he also said Natalie Holloway got what she deserved.

Did you hear Clinton asked Wright for help from the same people distributing the Micky Kantor tape.
That piece of work proves Obama is using racist tactics to galvinize his vote.

Rob,

That isn't quite the way it works. Neither Obama or Clinton can win without the additional votes of the Superdelegates. If enough of them declare for one or the other to put the total count above 2025, then that person becomes the presumptive nominee.

Now the candidate who hasn't reached that total has a choice. Withdraw and release their delegates or go to the convention for a possible floor fight. Either way, nothing but nothing is final until the first ballot is taken at the national convention no matter what anyone has said or done before then.

After the first vote if everybody does exactly what they are pledged or promised to do, then someone will or will not get 2025 votes. If someone goes over there is usually a move to make the nomination unanimous.

If no one goes over the required amount, then it goes to another ballot. At this point the war begins and they will keep balloting until they have a candidate. This is the "brokered" convention. It could end up someone other than Clinton or Obama as a compromise candidate. This has not happened in a long, long time.

Some blogging friends of mine are raising money to send Texas children with cancer to Camp Sanguinity. There is an on line raffle for an IPod Shuffle for anyone making a donation to the fund. For info see Jessica The Rock Chick

http://lifeisrantastic.blogspot.com/2008/05/shuffle-off.html

Gordo -- I like what you write too - Alicia
Gordo, thanks for the posts- Pogo
Gordo, I agree with Zoey...you're my Newshound - Giget
Gordo, I like your posts, too.-Flatus

Which of those articles does everyone like the best.? The one he posted/linked that;

said Obama" is a Muslim," attended a "Wahabi" school in Indonesia, took his Senate oath on the Koran, refuses to recite the Pledge of Allegiance and is part of an Islamic plot to take over the U.S.; or maybe

the one talking about Obama's gay sexual liaison in the backseat of a car after doing a couple lines of cocaine; or was it

the one where he gave Hillary the finger on national TV; or was it

the Chicago story about how Rezko and Auchi bought his mansion for him and that Williams Ayers, a former bomber terrorist, was his good friend and associate who raised and donated thousands that put him in office and help "funnel" money to the Hamas.

Anyone remember a better favorite.

Sorry guys, can tag along with you on this crap. His right to post is not my concern. I 'm not saying he's creating or making this crud up, he's just part of the distribution.

B Wong, not to excuse his other speeches but I believe on Holloway he was trying to make a valid point but made a mockery of it.

"Black women are being raped daily in Africa. One white girl from Alabama gets drunk at a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and gives it up while in a foreign country and that stays in the news for months"

I haven't been on here lately. Is it true the "Audacity of Hope" came from a Wright speech? I've seen it floating on the internet.

Renee , I read ysterday that NBA commissioner David Stern is excited at the prospect of a Lakers vs. Celtics final. If Boston would have lost today , that would have upset him.

Regarding Obama:

More Votes
More States
More Delegates
More Cash
More Ovaltine , Please!

Rezdog--------------------------

You prefer to be blindsided by the Right Wing Attack/Smear machine? Just trying to give Dems an early warning of what would be used against Obama.

Flatus,
I have read on this blog what several women have written and that this is the best chance in there lifetime for the US to elect a woman. And that it may not happen again in their lifetime. I am sure that the African-American voters in my community would or could say the same thing about Obama. I am not sure what they really think tho. I don't think they think Obama is the world's savior. I think they see a chance to have someone that looks like they do be in charge. When Katrina hit and the TV exposed all the problems with the Bush Adm getting help, my neighbors talked to me about seeing people that looked like they do and how they felt abandoned. Maybe Bear can answer better since he is a black male. I am just an old white guy.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Doots,

Thanks for your reply and for putting it in a comparable context. You caused me to think about what must have gone through peoples minds when Gen Honore arrived in New Orleans and took charge.

You may be an old white guy, but you're there.

" I don't think they think Obama is the world's savior. I think they see a chance to have someone that looks like they do be in charge. "

I agree wholeheartedly with you onthat point Doots. When I talk about the "savior" aspect I am talking about the wide-eyed whites who believe somehow Obama will erase the Bush years, the war and racism.

Blacks know better than to think he can completely turn that page.

Patsi,

I don't think any of them think that the Star Spangle Banner will be done in a rap version at the Inauguration or at any of the parties later that week either. Whomever is elected is gonna face a myriad of troubles that this current group of clowns have created for us. Who was it that wrote that stopping the war would not free up any money because there is no money. It is all borrowed. And it is all "Off Budget" so in my way of thinking the war will have cost more than the announced 3 Trillion dollars. And it ain't over. I would write out 3 trillion but I don't think I know what the numbers 3 trillion looks like.

Racism may last for another generation or two in my estimation. I see a lot of resentment from young blacks in the neighborhood and it is easy to cry racism when they are asked to follow the rules. A lot of this I can put on POP CULTURE. I do see a lot of change also. There are a lot of mixed couples now that when I was a pup would have NEVER happened. Not just in Fort Worth but all over the south. Your friend Harold is marrying a white girl this week I think. Someone told me once it was hard enough to find a mate in real life so why only limit yourself to one race. When you find the one you love that is the one you love regardless their skin color.

Babies having babies would be a good place to start to ease the troubles in the black community. Latinos do that also. Friend of mine just married a lovely girl from a little town in Mx. He said that she wanted to wait to have ninos. I had to ask "how long does she want to wait?" He said she said, " about a month". I guess it is the tradition. Tough situations to be solved and some may not have solutions.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Doots,

Consider that Men have had the vote and the majority of all political offices for 230 years (including free blacks). Black men have had the right to vote and did so in the majority of the country for 143 years. Women black and white have only been able to vote for 90 years and only recently started to get any number of offices at the national level.

There definitely will be another man in the presidency. That could very well be a black man in four to eight years. The women who have worked for 30 - 40 years for civil rights, the rights of women, and the Democratic Party would like just one crack at the office some time before we kick the bucket and there is no one on the horizon likely to do that other than Hillary Clinton who is totally prepared and competent to do the job.

Let's face it. There is no way she could screw up the job worse than the men have.

PETA is all up imn arms after yesterday's Kentucky Derby tragedy with Eight Belles. They are call for severe punishments for jockey and all others involved. Even hoping for a ban of this *barbaric* sport. They even used the term *crocodile tears* when talking about the trainers , jockeys and owners.

http://blog.peta.org/archives/2008/05/kentucky_derby.php

On May 4th , 1979 Margaret Thatcher became the first female Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.

wow, folks, i don't know what to make of michele obama's speech on c-span right now

Jamie,

I don't disagree that a woman should be considered for POTUS. I disagree that there is no one on the horizon that could likely do as good a job as Sen Clinton. There is, I grant you, right now no one that has stepped forward like she has. But 4 years ago Sen Obama was an unknown to the nation also until he gave that speech at the convention. That woman may be out there and no one has found her yet. You sound like there will never be another and that is just not realistic.

I would submit to you that this candidate, Sen Obama, is the first credible Black man that has been able to run for the presidency since the beginning of the country. He may not make it. For that matter, just because he and I share the same plumbing is not why I support him. You should not support your candidate simply because of your shared plumbing. I don't mean to be crude. Hell, Obama and Clintons ideas are not really that far apart from each other.

yo soy Horsedooty!

". . having babies would be a good place to start to ease . .. Latinos do that also."-Horsedooty

Exactly. Like history repeating itself here in N. America.

Marrying into the dominant culture. That's how the Aztecs, "wandering hordes from the north", gradually assimilated into the valley of Mex. City and eventually over several generations mastered the old Tehuacán ruling culture. It's all very interesting, one of my fave readings in school.

Dooty,

"Sen Obama, is the first credible Black man that has been able to run for the presidency since the beginning of the country"

My major problem is that unlike you, I do not believe he is a good man for the job. I could very well get stuck with him as an alternative to McCain, but I will take a hell of a lot of convincing that he is worth the vote as I simply don't believe he will be good for the country.

I trust her. I don't trust him.

i am serious -- i do not know what to make of this speech -- either michele propels him to the next level or she herself is jeremiah wright -- i honestly cannot figure it out

x

What is she talking about in her speech?

BTW Dooty,

There is a long, long list of black men that I would have considered much more credible for the Presidency.

Frederick Douglas ran for the Vice Presidency. He would have been a good possiblity as would WEB Dubois, George Washington Carver, MLK and that is just off the top of my head. Barack Obama is way down on the list.

So... who here did well on their listening and reading comprehension tests?

America needs you NOW!

9/11 , I used to work with a guy named Dennis. He was told when he first started at work that if he didn't understand something , he should ask questions. Dennis asked a lot of questions. But , he is most famous for always saying, "I don't get it!" So any time somebody couldn't comprehend something that was said at work , they would say, "I don't get it!"

Craig -- Wish I could see the speech you're talking about. I have 4 different c-spans and none of them have Mrs. Obama. Is it a reprise of the "for the first time in my life I am proud of my country" sort of thing?

yes, I have scalia and david horowitz on cspan 1 and 2.....

I am sorry you feel that way Jamie. There is nothing I could say that will change your mind so I won't even try. I would ask for your support if he is nominated. There is much more at stake than just if it is he or she. There is a matter of Justices of the Supreme Court. There is likely to be 3 justices that will step down in the next 4 year and if the Dems allow a Repub to select them, well, that fact alone may really undo all the gains that women have made and the laws that currently protect women and their rights to choose to reproduce will be changed for years or decades to come. Are you willing to jeopardize that? Surely, that would be something you believe in and for those 30 or 40 years you worked for Womens Rights, you wouldn't want to see them go down the drain because your candidate did not get the nomination.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Dooty

That is why I have finally made up my mind that if I have to I will vote for him and that is a major concession for me as I genuinely believe it would be a big, big mistake.

One of my c-span's ontent has been bumped in favor of basketball. It's a Comcast thing.

Jamie,

all those men are fine examples of Americans. However, just because you and I think they are fine people doesn't mean that given the time they lived in would have made it possible for any to have a realistic chance of being elected POTUS.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Horse -- I feel what Jamie is saying, and understand the importance of the SCOTUS appointments. If Obama is the nominee, I will vote for him. Will I work for him or give him money? Probably not. I will leave that to all of the Obamabots who will have to carry the day for him. I will be too busy working for Mark Warner for Senate and Leslie Byrne for the VA-11.

Meanwhile, I will start searching ex-pat sites for a place to wait out the McCain years. I wonder how the US dollar is holding up in Costa Rica?

Alicia,

How good is your Spanish? San Miguel de Allende in the state of Guanajuato in the central highlands of Mx. Very scenic and there is a large gringo population there also.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Sorry Dooty,

There have been thousands of both women and men who previously would not be considered for the office. I just compare the records of the two people currently vieing for the office and I see an intelligent woman with a 30 year dedication to public service much of it on the national level up against a mildly pleasant middle aged amateur with only two years on the world stage.and no real history other than constant ambition for the next rung on the ladder.

So I may be forced to vote for him. He says his backers won't vote for her while her backers will vote for him and in his self puffery arrogance he is probably right, but he will not get one dime or one minute from me.

Jamie-
HRC on FOX News now
~G

Doots.......I work with a mexican kid sometimes whose home is Guanajuarto......

Those who believe in Telekinetics, please raise my hand.

---Kurt Vonnegut Jr.

My idea of a perfect black candidate = Harold Ford Jr. He has a lot of wisdom Obama doesn't and has had some experience in taking rough campaigning. If Obama is elected and becomes another Jimmy Carter, or worse, it will be a sorry picture for blacks who are proud of him now. You want to present your best, and Obama isn't it.

Bettyboo,

What you just wrote is a load, a crock, whatever you want to interpret me to mean......

Now fading back into the shadows....

Well- I have not been here in a while-

for starters, Craig what do you mean exactly about Michelle Obama's speech? I caught quite a bit of it earlier today, and found it to be very similar to when I saw here here last December. I was struck at the time of how much she spoke about her background and how nowadays families have to have 2 incomes, her dad's disability and about the importance of good public educations, etc. I remembered her laughing about how wouldn't it be good to have a president who was 2 years away from having paid off his student loans? And that was due to his book sales

Many things she said that day rang true to me, one of the most being that she wanted a world where her girls could feel free to travel and not to walk in fear. I have those same thoughts .

...........................................
I have had little interest in posting here for a while. I am troubled at the vitriol and negativity- life is too busy and too short.

It is most frustrating to read the blanket statements about Obama supporters or Hillary supporters- I mean, today there was a post implying that Obama supporters were rapists.

But when I read that Obama supporters are wide eyed young sychophants whoa re going to jump ship- I guess I do not see it. Just tonight I was at my county democratic meeting, and I was in a room of about 25-30, the third youngest at 44. Most present were Obama supporters. I decided for Obama just before our primary, mainly and truthfully because I wanted to be neutral as a town chair, but even then, Hillary was my 4th or maybe 5th choice.

I had always liked and backed and defended her as first lady, I was ecstatic when she was elected senator- it was the best result out of that year's election.

But for this election, the biggest issue was the vote on the war, and I never liked the way she dealt with that to be satisfaction. (I did think Edwards did). One thing that she did in the senate was back the prohibition on flag desecration, and that bothered me, and like Kerry, too much support of a lot of the president's platform, (NCLB)

So I considered Obama and Edwards most strongly, and always liked RIchardson though found him a disappointment up close. I know many who supported Dodd and they were really after me and I liked his boldness on the importance of the constitution.

At the state democratic convention last year, I was introduced to Billy Shaheen by a good friend. He said to me "if Hillary is elected, overnight women will be equal to men in this country". That may or may not be true, but it did nothing for me,

So, for me Hillary was about 5th. Being a woman did not factor into it. I also found her campaign to act as it it was all predetermined, and she only made a push in the closing days. Though she won the state she did not win any ward of my city.

The weekend before the primary, my female state senator called me and tried to get to to consider HRC. She said "But kathy, she is a woman, doesn't that matter", and my answer was no. Maybe if all things were exactly equal, I would tilt that way. But no, I do not vote my genitals.

I do not think if Obama is elected the world will be transformed, nor that the war will end, nor that it will make up for Bush- as someone implied earlier. But I feel with Obama there is a greater chance that things will not be "business as usual". With Hillary I feel there is a greater chance as business as usual. I also like that he is bringing in younger people- who are turning out, and represents the future. I love that- I think democratic ideas are good (obviously) and am glad there are people becoming part of the process.

So- I know it is long- but it has been a while.

Kathy,

You were eloquent and I certainly appreciated your comment. I certainly will use,

"I do not vote my genitals" A very powerful statement indeed.

I have so awe struck at the remarks and vitriol here too.

CIO!

It's much easier to pull those levers with your hands though.........

"That is why I have finally made up my mind that if I have to I will vote for him and that is a major concession for me as I genuinely believe it would be a big, big mistake."

Ditto that.

Robert Reich's Blog

Hillary Clinton Doesn't Listen to Economists

http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2008/05/hillary-clinton-doesnt-listen-to.html

""""I’m not saying HRC is George Bush. And I'm not suggesting economists have all the answers. But when economists tell a president or a presidential candidate that his or her idea is dumb – and when all respectable economists around America agree that it’s a dumb idea – it’s probably wise for the president or presidential candidate to listen. When the president or candidate doesn’t, and proudly defends the policy by saying she's "not going to put my lot in with economists,” we’ve got a problem, folks. """""

Even though the summer gas tax holiday is pure hokum, it polls well, which is why HRC and John McCain are pushing it. That Barack Obama is not in favor of it despite its positive polling numbers speaks volumes about the kind of president he’ll be – and the kind of president we’d otherwise get from McCain and HRC.

Haven’t we had enough of politicians who reject facts in favor of short-term poll-driven politics?

Watching on CNN. I think he is making his convention speech all over again. More cotton candy.

To be honest I have went from in favor of Obama during the Iowa caucus to neutral during my own primary. He did win the coin toss but I am more and more regreting that vote. Obama is looking like the new rookie pitching phenom. He only has one pitch and has no ability to adjust. More and more he is looking as if he is not ready for the big leagues.

Michell Obama's speech to night was just sad. She is obviously totally wore out on the edge of collapse. Obama should try to get her to go home and take a break. She needs the rest.

But the emotion that her speech stirred very much reminded me of 1972 with the loosing McGovern campaign. I saw her begging and pleading for support. That is nopt something that a front running winner does. It makes me wonder what their internal polls are showing. A sweep for Clinton Would not be good for the Obama camp.

Jack

And another stimulus package doesn't sound like GW Bush?

Oh Good Grief Charlie Brown,,,, he's Joshua again!

LOL
Now this is funny to me.
I walked into the bed room where the TV is and caught 30 sec of Obama . That 30 sec was a mimic of HRC but not as believable. It's true He can't make the sale with hard facts, he has to stay in the abstract and emotional to connect. That may be OK for true believers and the young but I'm a cynical old bastard and I long ago learned "Show me the money, promises don't pay the bills".

Jack

It is a matter of what I believe this nation needs to fix the mess Shrub has gotten us into. We need a work horse not a show pony.

Patsi,

I first heard the "If rape is inevitable" quote when Clayton Williams used it in the Texas Governor Campaign when he ran against Ann Richards. He lost the election in a land slide and everyone thought it was that statement that sunk his political dreams.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Isnt Joshua the one who carried out the plan to annihilate the canaanites and steal their land and cities? he said that god told him to do it......

Craig or anyone who watched Michelle on CSpan: Was that a replay of an event or live? I am trying to find it online...

Ally- it is on their Recent Programs on the main page-

Michelle Obama at Durham, N.C. Town Hall Meeting (May 2, 2008)

Thank you...

"Clayton Williams used it in the Texas Governor Campaign '

Doots -- I hadn't heard that one...but it's been around a long time and represents a lot of mindset to me.

Horse -- My Spanish is okay -- actually better when I'm forced to use it. As a child I lived in Spain and was fluent, but since coming back to the US I don't get much opportunity to speak it. When I go to MX it seems to come back -- like riding a bike. There is a sizable ex-pat group in Baja, around Rosarita Beach, which is only 12 miles from the US border. I've heard of the place you're talking about, but I'm more of a beach person.

the michelle speech at durham keeps saying currently unavailable........rats

Hi, I'm Viv ,

From N.Ky & a supporter of Hillary's ... I just wanted to introduce myself before jumping into the frail w/people who obviously been chatting for a while about everything going on ... I've been reading the comments for a few days & find this blog most refreshing ... I always enjoyed Craig's opinions & have missed seeing him on the news shows ... think I'm going to enjoy it here ...

Sturg: I am watching it right now...

Hi Viv! Welcome!

Patsi,
I googled the saying and it does go back a long ways but before it was the rape thing it had to do with a lot of other things like bad weather. Here is the first listing from that google

http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/if_its_inevitable_relax_and_enjoy_it_said_of_texas_weather/

yo soy Horsedooty!

viv said ". think I'm going to enjoy it here ..."

hope you have some lead lined BVD's to wear. At the least a fire retardant suit. but welcome :)

yo soy Horsedooty!

middle aged frank sinatra in concert on TCM movie channel.......

Alicia,

if your spanish is ok you might enjoy a movie I like called

"Y Tu Mama, Tambien" I bet you can rent it at Blockbusters. It is about some kids off on a school vacation to the beaches in Mexico. English subtitles as I remember it.

yo soy Horsedooty!

At least JFK actually waited to announce the torch passing until after he won, and the torch had, indeed, been passed. ; )
~G

Kathy -- So you think your womanhood is only in your genitals? Being a woman is about so much more than just anatomy and physiology. Ask anyone who is transgendered.
We are women because of the way that we think and the way we feel. A woman's perspective is needed in this world. As a feminist I celebrate that women can offer unique perspectives, skills and talents that are different than men's.
It's also true that sexism is the root of all the "isms" including racisim. As Yoko Ono starkly said, "Women are the ni**ers of the world."

Chef Sheila Hussein -

It's bethyboo, not bettyboo.

Can you be a little more specific, other than proclaiming you are an Obama supporter? I've waited a long long time to be able to vote for a black man or woman for prez, and he is not what I had hoped for. I'm just not impressed with speeches that get huge crowds excited and screaming. General statements about what citizens can accomplish are motivating, but they are not policy. I will vote for him if he's the nominee in order to protect the supreme court, but I won't be thrilled to do it.

Lots of newbies around...Viv, Bethyboo, Alicia Knight...my apologies to anyone I've left out...Welcome, all!

Thanks for the welcome Ally, Harborwoman & Horsedooty ..

Oh & Horsedooty .. naw, don't need them leaded BVD's ... am not a newbie to the world of blogs or the comments from BO's supporters ... this place is tame compared to some I've heard & been called, !:^)

viv

Horse -- Thanks for the movie recommendation. I meant to see Y Tu Mama, Tambien -- and then forgot about it,

Haborwoman -- Thanks for the welcome as a newbie -- but I'm not really a newbie -- I've been posting here for a while as "divalicias." I was having so many problems with the Captcha that I just used my Typekey !D -- and came out from the anonymous shadows.

Welcome to the other newbies here!

Hey, that was nice to be welcomed, harborwoman. I missed the other welcomes, but it re-inforces what i've already noticed. This group is not like other blogs and made even better by the occasional comment from Craig. I don't like to argue politics, but do enjoy talking about them. I'm usually late with my comments cuz I'm out west in northern california. I'm an old teacher of English and history and like people who treat others nicely - life is either too long or too short to be around "loud and vexatious" people. I get a kick out of you guys ragging on each other.

I've told my family that, altho I want to be cremated and my ashes thrown in the Mississippi delta, I do want a headstone and it should say "She never voted for Ronald Reagan." I won't brag about it if I have to vote for Obama.

Hi Bethyboo
I'm in Northern California too! Good to have someone on the same time zone...it gets pretty quiet here around 10:00 PM (PST)
~Gidget

Oops! Well...welcome in from the shadows of anonymity, Alicia Knight!

And...great intro, bethyboo! Why the Mississippi delta? (I'm originally from MS) I'm an old, retired teacher/principal...mostly worked in juvenile corrections, and taught everything under the sun...including trampoline.

This is a great blog...and, for the most part, we all get along just dandy. Been a bit rough here and there as we make our way through this primary season, but I'm predicting that we'll all survive it.

Bethyboo & Gidget

Oregon democrat is also out west and posts late as well as Jason who is in Amsterdam 6-7 hours time difference. Several others & me - just night owls. Anyway welcome.

Julie

Julie-
Jason and I have had some nice exchanges when we were the only two here (I'm on the West Coast AND a nightowl)
I was hoping he posted on how his campaigning was going in Indiana.
~Gidget

Hi Gidget,

Yes I was wondering how he was doing in Indiana also. Do not believe he said how long he was to be in the states for. Perhaps he met his parents. They were in NC campaigning for Hillary.

Have you heard OD say whether they are getting any early voting results?

Julie

Julie
I haven't seen anything recent from OD...the last thing he said was that support for HRC seemed to be strengthening outside of Portland and Bill had a lot of successful events. Hopefully, there is still time to tun it around...
I'd like Jason to have I successful trip to Ind...not just for us but for him....he's so enthusiastic.
~Gidget

Gidget

Yes he does seem to have a lot of enthusiasm. I get too easily discouraged.

j

Julie-
'I'm guessing we've lived through more disappointing elections than he has! That helps.
I started voting in 1972 and I've had 3 wins ...and one of them wasn't really a win, as it turned out.
~G

Bri
Sorry,

Guess I misread it then..

Julie not Julia that is someone else on this blog.

What do you do as an occupation ? Computers? Or are you retired now and that is a hobby.

Hillary is coming to campaign in Oregon Thursday and Friday.

The Salem daily, Statesman-Journal endorsed her today and encouraged Obama to accept her debate challenges.

It was a terrible week.
Lost my flight, second flight was overbooked....Life has been cruel the past week....
Couldn´t travel to the US anymore past week. I HATE delta!
Will fly this Thursday

Anyway,
People fill me in. How is everything going. Can we have hope...Or we going to have two wins, one win, or no win....LOL.

Dad, says he is very hopeful that NC will be within 5. They are still there canvassing for HRC. He says according to him, a win is out of the question...But we should be within 5...No double digits.

Indiana, I have no clue...

Sup everyone, fill this brother in...
Amsterdam is not giving any news....They only focussed on the Queensday holiday and today is another holiday, but I am at work.....

Mildred Loving, of Caroline County, VA has died at age 68. She and her husband were the interracial couple whose lawsuit, Virginia v. Loving, changed laws against interracial marriage. Here is the story from my local paper:
http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2008/052008/05052008/376825

Oh

Dad said something interesting. He said when he is talking to mostly AA´s in NC (seen as we are AA´s) they always ask him: This is our chance to be in the white house finally, why do U as a black man want to derail that chance.
My dad says, if we punt the wrong man or woman there we will never ever in 1.000 years be there again.
Most AA´s are afraid that if they do not fulfil their duty to put BO in the white house, it will never happen again. Said that it has to be this way.
On one hand, as an AA I understand, on the other hand, it would be nice to have the good AA in there.
I do not view BO as a good representative of the AA community.
I also think that HRC is far more qualified to lead this country, and that goes above me being an AA.....

But it is tough....I can tell U.

OD -- I think Oregon is a lot more like PA than people realize. Agree?

Jason..

Things are looking dood in Indiana..the question there seems to be how big the win...

North Carolina is surprisigly in single digits. I avoid predictions, but would not be surprised to see a much closer race than anyone anticipates..We will see.

Julie
JFK was 1960....so if you then voted for LBJ in 64 ,you have two more than me !

Did you see Dean on FOX News this morning ? It was one of the stronger performances I've seen from him, However, he didn't address the issue of a contested convention...something that probably keeps him awake at night...although, I'm looking forward to it, I think.
~G

Hi Jason,

Well shucks you will miss the Indiana trip. Polls are all over the place. You can take your pick. Survey usa should be out tomorow. They are pretty accurate. Fox says 70% of people think Wright has hurt BO. And he is nervous. Hillary had a fantastic show on -This week George Stephanopolus(sp).. And a terrific 2 night interview on O'reilly. She is one knowledgeable, gutsy, woman..She stood right up to O'reilly and told him how the cow ate the cabbage, as they say..

I saw on News tonight that she and Bo will both be on Fox tomorrow morning. Probably several of the other morning shows also..
julie

Donating today $100 especially for the campaign...we need NC.
Hope my 100 bucks can make a difference.....

DONATE everyone...:lets go

HRC our Nominee.....

Oregon is geographically large with a relatively small population.

Only one city of any size, Portland..not all that big compared to Seattle and San Francisco.

Politically liberal on social issues in both metropolitan and rural areas.

The state is getting more Democratic all the time. Dukakis, Clinton, Clinton, Gore,and Kerry all won Oregon.

All state officials elegted statewide are Dems..

Jason..I'll match your contribution before I go to bed.

Thankx OD......

Don´t know about you guys, but I am feeling it again......

Think I am ready for predictions.....:))

Julie,
The AA vote is crumbling for BO. It will be interesting to analyze the exit polls.

Guam will be a win for HRC after the recount...We will hear in two weeks. Wasn´t he suppose to win that by 11%?

Someone send me this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpHDwvxrcXk
to be played after BO loses both primaries.....

J

You know I do believe Oprah probably got a ear full from people for supporting him. She will not have Hillary on her show . She lost me.

I have said the same - I definitely will not vote for McCain. But the supeme court issue does worry me if we do not get a democrat in...

Will also donate for Hillary tomorrow. Now must say goodnight all, lots of chores tomorrow.

Julie

OD -- Has OR gotten more liberal in the last 10 years? I just thought of eastern OR a being rather conservative. OR-1, OR-3 and OR-4 definitely liberal DEM. OR-2 more GOP, and OR -5 leans GOP. I always thought of OR politics as being sort of mixed -- capable of producing a range from Peter Defazio to Lon Mabon.

what is up with the statement from BO: "People of Indiana have lost their dignity?"

Apparently he said it yesterday....Any video form that?

The state has become more liberal in the last decade.

I think the stereotypes of the Districts are often misleading.

For instance,the 5th where i live, is gaining Democratic reg. each year. Darlene Hooley (D), and strong Hillary supporter is retiring this year. I anticipate the Dems will keep the seat if Kurt Schrader wins the primary.

Many Republicans in Oregon would be Democrats in some other states.

I wouldn't call the 3rd and 4th Liberal. Moderate leaning left I suppose.

The two polls out this week were Rasmussen at 12 and KATU Survey USA 6..

Very small African American population.I think I have posted that before..Growing Latino population..much of it has been here for many decades.

I would say it is a 5 or 6 point race..

One thing that is difficult is the fact that people are voting over a 3 week period.

Hillary is going to be in the state Thursday and Friday and she is now running lots of commercials. The Hillary campaign is very enthusiastic and believes this state can be won.

Hillary just had another commercial on..very Oregon oriented..

Found it

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/obama-we-have-differences/1259472541

And people still vote for this guy?

OD --

Really? OR-3 is not Liberal? Earl Blumenauer? ADA rating of 90? Darlene only got 70 -- but I think the 5th is more conservative.

Ron Wyden has gotten more Liberal in the Senate than he was in the House. He used to have a 100 NRA rating. Dana Schaeffer, mother of slain actress Rebecca Schaeffer, convinced Ron to vote for the Brady Bill. Dana was an incredibly persistent and noble advocate for her cause.

I agree that someone like Gordon Smith could be a DEM in VA.

"And lets really get down to brass tacks. Who do you think is more important to the party at large, the white over 45 blue collar voter, or the black-liberal collation. "

And you wonder why some authentic Democrats question what the party is about these days. The hell with the working class. We never liked 'em anyway.

Well said Patsi

That is why I am officially independent if HRC loses this primary....

I think more and more people will leave DNC, no matter what the outcome, because that fat face coward Howard Dean is nowehere equipped to lead...

For me, it is over...

All right, Jason - I'll send another $100 - you talked me into it. You did say you're AA, right? Someone did. I want to say that I'm glad to hear from an AA that O is not the best AA's have to offer. I've felt that way but didn't want to ask - not sure how it would be taken. If
he wins it all and turns out as I expect, he will be an extra drag. Harold Ford Jr is the best one out there nationally now but maybe we'll get a good look at some others. I've been so impressed with Ford on his appearances on David Gregory - calm and wise and thoughtful. We just need to get past Obama and be glad to have learned a lot.

harborwoman, I'm originally from St Louis - go Cards!-
and love the Mississippi - rivers are so alive and ti's so big. Also, I love Dixieland jazz and ever since I saw one of those jazz funerals I have known that's how I want to go out. I want my family to take me to the Big Easy and march with a huge group of the musicians in tuxes, and pitch my ashes in a biodegradable urn out into the delta. Then I'll be picked up by the gulf stream and carried up to England, becoming part of the
atmosphere eventually and rain all over the world dropping good will everywhere - being gone but still helping. I suppose that might sound creepy to some but I love it.

Also, I love murder mysteries, and one of my favorites is a book called A Free Man of Color by Barbara Hambly and the rest of that series, set in New Orleans. The author is white and therefore the books might be super un-authentic, but I have enjoyed them. I refused to read them for along time cuz I can't stand reading about slavery or the Civil War etc, but that title fascinated me and I finally gave in. I don't know how black readers feel about these books and hope they like them. If blacks thought they were a joke, I couldn't read them anymore.