Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Good Morning Craig

Hillary was brillant on ABC this morning....

This will be used to push the idea that Obama is BEYOND liberal. It fits into the narrative that the Right Wing is developing - "Barack Hussein Obama is too extreme for America". The RW can hardly wait to rip into him. I hear and read about Rev Wright being a "body blow" - he is only a gentle tap compared to what the Attack/Smear machine is prepared to hit Obama with if he is the nominee.

(Yes, I know it is Cliff Kincaid - Accuracy in Media)

"WND reported earlier when Cliff Kincaid wrote at Accuracy in Media about the link between Frank Marshall Davis, a member of the old Moscow-controlled Communist Party USA, and Obama, who cited a mysterious "Frank" in his book.

The writings of Davis are being reviewed because he served as a father-figure to Obama, a leading candidate for the Democratic nomination for U.S. president.

They were together while Obama was growing up in Hawaii, and in his book, "Dreams From My Father," Obama acknowledges he took advice from a black poet named "Frank," Kincaid said.

...a full report will be released May 22 on how communist and socialist forces have influenced Obama.

Herbert Romerstein, a former investigator for the House Committee on Un-American Activities, will present a detailed report on Obama's years in Hawaii, when he came into contact with and under the influence of a member of the Communist Party, Frank Marshall Davis," Kincaid said.

He also will detail "Obama's years in Chicago, when he came into contact with and under the influence of communists, socialists, and even communist terrorists. There is a very disturbing pattern here … It can be no accident that Obama always seems to gravitate to the most extreme, anti-American forces. If you think Rev. [Jeremiah] Wright [Obama's pastor] is something, wait until you see the information that we have developed."

(Yes, I know it is WND)

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=63212

hi jamie, thanks for hosting our derby pool yesterday. what a shame it turned out to be such a tragic race

all the commenters say the media is too much playing the wright controversy, so what does wolf do? He shows 'em another clip of rev wright.........lol

Hey Gordo,
Any news on that Guam recount?

Rangle is one cool hand.......

oh gordo, i admire your steadfastness, but a link and shorter excerpts from sites like world net daily would be enough for me. altho i get your point that, legit or not, sites like that are going to drive much of the right wing talk in the general and dems shouldn't ignore it. just would rather see shorter excerpts on here if you don't mind

Brian -----------------------

Recount in Guam?

"Herbie Perez, chairman of the nominating committee, told the news outlet that local Democratic Party officials and representatives from both Sen. Hillary Clinton's and Sen. Barack Obama's campaigns will meet early next week to discuss the issue.

It's unclear if this recount will impact the 50-50 split of the four pledged delegates. David Boies, Mitch Berger, Ron Klain, Jeremy Bash, et al -- stand by."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/recount-in-guam.html

from the last post on the last thread,
Re-Post:

truemax said this, "I suspect Democrats might prefer defeat, but that is their decision to make."

so, am I reading this correctly Max, you are not a part of the Democrats like you have been saying for as long as you have been writing on this blog? If you misspoke, that is not like you or you have always been misspeaking. Are you a Republican?

yo soy Horsedooty!

happy weekend gang....

my Derby pick, Anak Nakal, came in 7th..... not too shabby for a 60-1 shot....
I am totally bummed about Eight Belles....

and yes..... I said a silent toast for CBob as they took off out of the starting gate....

and now for something completely different....
GO CELTICS!

Doots, Max is a NeoCon, they know not from parties.

"Yes! I totally agree with Renee! GO CELTICS! FOR GOD SAKES! GO CELTICS!" - David Stern NBA Commisioner

Obama did an outstanding job on MTP this morning, kudos to Tim for not making the show all about Wright!

Tim Russert asked Obama at the end of the show this morning (twice) if he would support Hillary if she wins the nomination and his reply was--"I will work for the Democrats in November." He would not say Hillary and it reminded me of the answer Michelle Obama gave when asked the same question a while back--that she "would have to think about that"--what's up with these people?

It seems that Arianna Huffington has run up against the impenetrable wall that is Tim Russert’s ego. Huffington, who is currently on tour for her new book Right Is Wrong: How The Lunatic Fringe Hijacked America, Shredded The Constitution, and Made Us All Less Safe, will be appearing on CNN, ABC, and CBS. She had been booked on Morning Joe and Countdown with Keith Olbermann as well, but those bookings were suddenly and inexplicably cancelled.

NBC confirmed that Huffington wouldn’t be booked on any NBC-affiliated show to promote her book, but refused to explain why. Huffington’s people say that this is Tim Russert’s doing, that Russert is out for revenge because Huffington called him a “conventional wisdom zombie” in her book and devoted seven pages to faulting Russert for allowing his Meet the Press guests to go unchallenged (not to mention HuffPo’s RussertWatch).

Oh, did the poor widdle WATB get his feelings hurt? Or were Arianna’s words just a little too close for comfort?
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/04/30/tim-russert-takes-offense-bans-arianna-huffington-from-nbc-news/

Gordo

"Yes, I know it is WND)"

If you "know" why do you bother?

Thank you Craig,

It was horrific. The whole idea behind the synthetic track is that it helps prevent the catastrophic breakdowns such as what happened to Eight Belles. Churchill Downs has been a hold out on the track conversion because many of their trainers are opposed as the synthetic somewhat mimics turf and the dirt bred horses don't seem to do as well causing an upheaval in the breeding community. I side with the group that favors protecting the horses at all costs.

This may be what it takes to finally force the issue.

Good afternoon everyone. It's a beautiful day in NoVa and I've been out working in the yard and sprucing up the deck. This tragic horse race still has me down, especially since I went on HuffPo last night and read how the Obama people were snickering that Hillary's horse went down and how prophetic they thought that was. They were all so ugly about it. I think that is going to be a real choking point for party unity should Obama win the nomination -- Hillary's fanbase has been so denigrated and abused by the Obamabots.

CNN is talking right now about how Obama is being used b the GOP against vulnerable DEM in swing districts. Travis Childres is trying t run as fast as he can way from Obama.

"so, am I reading this correctly Max, you are not a part of the Democrats like you have been saying for as long as you have been writing on this blog? If you misspoke, that is not like you or you have always been misspeaking. Are you a Republican?"

Hammer hit, nail inserted, Doots. He's never been a Democrat. He's very right wing.

On the other hand, I'm not sure what I think about the party these days. All you have to do is read the so-called progressive message boards to see the type of mentality taking over. The sexism is not just blatent, but has an almost sexual violence to it. If this is the path we're going down, I've probably worked my last campaign. Maybe these boys are right. I'm just too old to appreciate the "when rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it" crowd.

Good afternoon everyone. It's a beautiful day in NoVa and I've been out working in the yard and sprucing up the deck. This tragic horse race still has me down, especially since I went on HuffPo last night and read how the Obama people were snickering that Hillary's horse went down and how prophetic they thought that was. They were all so ugly about it. I think that is going to be a real choking point for party unity should Obama win the nomination -- Hillary's fanbase has been so denigrated and abused by the Obamabots.

CNN is talking right now about how Obama is being used by the GOP against vulnerable DEM in swing districts. Travis Childres is trying to run as fast as he can away from Obama, saying, "I don't know him, I've never even met him. Unfortunately, Childers has a direct mail piece out touting his endorsement by Obama.

Gordo

"Yes, I know it is WND)"

If you "know" why do you bother?

Posted by: Jamie | May 4, 2008 1:32 PM

You know, this has bothered me a lot too. I am a staunch Hillary supporter, but I don't think it does us any good to use a rag sheet for "information" and then just say "Yes, I know it is WND". That's just foolishness.

horseracing = nascar for the elite

Kiki

Tell that to the $3.00 railbirds. Besides. NASCAR doesn't give you the chance to leave with more money than you brought in. :-)

Sorry for the double post.

Jamie -- NASCAR doesn't give you the chance to leave with more money than you brought in.

That depends on who you know at the track. :-)

" He would not say Hillary and it reminded me of the answer Michelle Obama gave when asked the same question a while back--that she "would have to think about that"

This is part of the rather sarcastic, mean side that seems to come out whenever he is pressured with a question he doesn't like. It gets reflected in all the pro Obama websites and from so many of the media people siding with his candidacy. I consider it just one more symptom of his lack of experience for the job he is seeking.

So now the press tells candidates when to quit?
by Eric Boehlert

History continues to unfold on many levels as the protracted Democratic Party primary race marches on, featuring the first woman and the first African-American with a real shot at winning the White House.

Here's another first: the press's unique push to get a competitive White House hopeful to drop out of the race. It's unprecedented.

http://mediamatters.org/columns/200804300001

Kiki -- You've obviously never done the infield at the Preakness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq5snDokcDs&NR=1

The words "Elite" and "Baltimore" don't belong in the same sentence, LOL.

As I said, by the weekend things would return to normal:

Gallup Poll Daily tracking shows 49% of Democratic voters nationwide preferring Barack Obama for the party’s presidential nomination

http://gallup.com/

q

I agree Patsi. Hasn't he tho been saying all along that he always votes Democratic? That is my recollection. I was just waiting for him to out himself and he did.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Jamie -------------------------

"If you "know" why do you bother?"

What does that mean? Are you aware that WND was on the Rev Wright story long ago? Of course not because like so many Dems, you do not follow the Right Wing. I know you consider all this to be nothing but "crud" (to use your word from a few days ago), well this "crud" is causing Obama plenty of trouble. I'm serious when I say that the Wright story is only the beginning of the "crud" they are ready to throw at Obama. It takes time for this "crud" to get into MSM. But continue to live in your "fantasy world" along with Obama supporters. Are you afraid to look at Right Wing sites? Apparently, the answer is yes. It's really hilarious to hear all this discussion about Rev Wright and how bad he has been for Obama when I know how how BAD it can get.

Why doesn't Mathews come right out and say he is for Bo.This morning on his show he said we have to get him to spend more on ads in Indiana so he can beat her.Is he a co-chair?
Ruth

While we are waiting for the next primary and results, here is an interesting website to while away the time.

http://www.globalincidentmap.com:80/home.php

It lists terroism and other suspicious incidents, of the past week or so...I was surprised how quiet things are in South America.

Brian-
The Gallup Poll also said that the 4% lead is not statistically signigicant.
The significant part of that poll is the last paragraph:

"Clinton has been running better versus John McCain than Obama in the Gallup tracking general election trial heats for the last four days, though McCain has the edge over each Democrat. Registered voters currently prefer McCain to Clinton by 46%-45% and McCain to Obama by 47%-42%. "

Re: Max

Just because he is conservative doesn't mean he isn't a Democrat. The Democrats are not monolithic. If they were, this damn process would be over by now.

I grew up in Minnesota where I thought all Democrats were DFL which means Democratic-Famer-Labor. I was in for the shock of my life when I moved to Washington State and found a different sort of Dems there.

I don't see the point of accusing someone of not being a Democrat because you don't like what he says.

Tom

McCain leads Obama in general election; Clinton-McCain essentially even
May 4, 2008Gallup Poll Daily tracking shows 49% of Democratic voters nationwide preferring Barack Obama for the party’s presidential nomination, while 45% prefer Hillary Clinton. Obama still trails John McCain by a significant margin in general election polling, while Clinton and McCain are essentially tied.More ...http://www.gallup.com/tag/Gallup%2bDaily.aspx

It's so funny watching you Clintonista twist yourself into knots over the daily gallup. Thanks for the chuckle.

Patsi,

can you post some examples of what you mean about this statement? I guess we don't read the same progressive blogs so I am confused. Plus I am not very smart either so any help I can get is greatly appreciated.

Patsi said,"On the other hand, I'm not sure what I think about the party these days. All you have to do is read the so-called progressive message boards to see the type of mentality taking over. The sexism is not just blatent, but has an almost sexual violence to it. If this is the path we're going down, I've probably worked my last campaign. Maybe these boys are right. I'm just too old to appreciate the "when rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it" crowd."

yo soy Horsedooty!

"Democrats Prefer to Lose" - I don't think that's particularly accurate. I think we Democrats just have the propensity to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory. Give a group of Democrats each a gun and put them in a circle, and they'll start shooting at each other. Perhaps this can be said about any group, but this election should be a cakewalk, as should have been the Kerry candidacy, but our party keeps choosing fatally flawed candidates. I don't get it. Plus, liberals don't know how to fight dirty. The Republicans have made it an art form. If Dems want to win and win big, they have to be as ruthless and gonad grabbing as the Repugs are...

Our party allowed Ronald Reagan to make "liberal" a bad word. We allowed the Repugs to set the debate on social spending, programs, welfare, food stamps, health care... This was stopped a great deal when Clinton was President, and certainly in the 2006 Congressional elections Rahm Emmanuel was a tenacious fighter going blow for blow.

The Dems need to find their balls and stop being so wimpy. Goddammit!

EuroTom -----------------

Just saw your post. The reason I started posting (Yes, I know it is ***) is because anything from one these Right Wing sites was dismissed by saying "Don't you know that is from *** "

If Dems want to know what the Repubs are planning, go to these sites.

Gordo

"Of course not because like so many Dems, you do not follow the Right Wing"

How do you know? Most of us check out the political blogs. It's just that you publish the same thing over and over and over. It's like being nagged to death. After a point it becomes an irritant not an encouragement.

"voters nationwide preferring Barack Obama".

It will tie up again after Tuesday and voters nationwide still prefer her to Obama to beat McCain.

or enlightenment

yo soy Horsedooty!

one OF these

"some examples of what you mean about this statement?"

Well, Doots -- from the early days of this fiasco, I've read several lines of thought coming from Kos, Dem Underground and several others. Some are about Hillary's physical attributes: fat butt, thick ankles. Others are about her voice, shrill, cackle. Others are about how she must be a lesbian or a wash in bed because Bill screws around on her. Now those are the mild ones. Then take Olberman's "some guy should take her in a room and only he emerges" comment that the Obamaboys lapped up.

I've read several that suggested that "what she needs is" followed by "UGH! I wouldn't 'do' her" type answers.
And like Alicia noted, now they've added the jokes about "Big Brown" wins and Ding Dong the filly is dead.

There is an ugly quality strting to show up in certain young men....used to be a style of the Freepers. But now it's spread. What it tells me is that it's been out there all along but people didn't spout off about it.

But I will tell you this, if I'd have heard my son say things like that he'd have got a smackdown.

I suspect another thing about some of these guys. I think underneath the surface they are racist. Most of them have no contact with the normal black community...maybe a couple of politicos or lawyers. But nobody from the hood.

I think given the right impetus they'd use the same ugly tone about blacks as they are using when talking about women.

Gordo,
Keep up the good work. I don't have time to do a lot of searchinhg around the net for right-wing talking points. Often it is my fellow Democrats (read that as Obama supporters) who recite the right-wing talking points and if I know where they came from I can refute them.

Besides, in the interest of the free speech mantra we have on this blog, I will defend your right to post what you want. After all if Brian can post worhtless and vile posts that I now skip over, I don't see why others can't skip over your posts instead of attacking you for them.

Does it really matter? I think all three of the remaining candidates suck. None of them will hold the Bush administration accountable for their illegal actions while in office. I am so sick of hearing about the Clinton clan. I don't trust her. Obama is an unknown quantity trying too hard to please everyone. McCain is simply another big business repub, only more wacked out than the last batch of criminals in Washington.

Gordo
I agree with Zoey...you're my Newshound (We watch Fox so you don't have to)...
only for the Right Wing Webs.
I appreciate it ...
~G

gordo, max & the rest of you spooks and pseudo spooks
I appreciate the glimpses into the nether world that your posts cite. however, like our host, I believe briefiness is next to glueiness.
tom
right on. an ecosystem without diversity soon dies and feeds on its own before that death.

Jamie,

It was a great race yesterday despite the filly. No one would find enjoyment in that. Tradition is a tough competitor on any field. It's hard to get anyone to make changes. I suspect it will take more breakdowns and a few more years (proof) until all the tracks go the synthetic route. Back to the race.

I was thinking BB would go the lead and keep it. He had to make up quite a bit to get where he was on the first turn, about 5 wide and a couple back. Still a good spot for him, clear and no trouble, plus it was a slow first half mile.

As I recall you liked him early too. I was a Pyro fan with CCMan, but that was before I think BB was in. It was not until I saw his FL Derby race that sold me. He looks like triple crown material albeit without a classic name.

I was at the casino, but not many down here have a sports book. We may have to find one for the next two big races. I'm not a big fan of Emerald Downs. I just want top see the one race.

Jamie,
I think the real point of the gallup is that it demonstrates Obama ability to survive a swift boating. And it's beginning to look like if Hillary does win Indiana it's not going to be by big numbers. The only thing that is going to happen on Tuesday is that Obama's lead in both the vote and delegate count is going to improve. Not exactly the compelling reason you're looking for to justify the SD's overturning the will of the electorate.

It's still comes down to the same 4 things,

More Votes
More States
More Delegates
More Cash
(and less debt).

And speaking of debt, maybe you're not aware of this but the candidate is personally responsible for their campaign debt. Hillary has already chucked 5 million into her campaign, I seriously doubt she's going to want to shell out another 10 million plus. Leaving the race gracefully will make a lot of people more friendly to the idea of helping her retire her campaign debt.

Boyz Club -- thanks for that Media Matters link. SPOT ON!

Jamie -----------------------

We have had this discussion before - you go with MSM. I could tell you plenty about MSM dishonesty. In many ways, it is worse than these extreme sites because people tend to believe MSM. While you may think there is nothing new, that is not correct. But how would you know? You stated that you don't read my posts or go to the links. Is it ESP again?

"Most of them have no contact with the normal black community.."

Could you tell me exactly what the normal black community is? And while you're at it tell me what the normal white community is, and asian too?

Russert spent 20 minutes of a 40 minute show on the Wright controversy and this is a cartoon from the Indiana Star.

http://blogs.indystar.com/varvelblog/archives/2008/04/denials.html

http://www.thestar.com/World/Columnist/article/421225

I actually live in the Hood. the people that live behind me are Afro-American as are the neighbors that live to my left and across the street across from Bill.

There are soul food restaurants and liquor stores and a section 8 housing project across the big street from where I live. There are far more Obama signs in this part of the hood than in other parts of town.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Horsedooty how would you rate your community in terms of integration, safety, and livability?

Gordo

"You stated that you don't read my posts or go to the links. Is it ESP again? "

I don't go to the links From Here. That doesn't mean I don't glance through them. It isn't your posting them that bothers me, it is having to wade through the same thing over and over and over just to get to the posts where people are actually talking to each other. You are much nicer and much more entertaining when you are speaking for yourself instead of just regurgitating a copy and paste.

Rezdog, Harborwoman and I were talking about meeting at Emerald Downs one Saturday during the live meet. Would you like to join us?

it's almost my bed time :-( back to work in the morning. At the end of the week I will be in Amsterdam and next weekend in Paris.... I guess I shouldn't complain too much :)

I heard of Emerald Downs

ET,

I have lived here for about 25 years and never been broken into robbed or felt threatened. We have Afro-Americans and Whites and Mexicans all living in the same area. It gets a little noisy over at the Section 8 apts and a little trashy around the first of the month when someone is evicted and the furniture is sitting on the curb. My 82 year old mother lives by herself about 3 blocks away and she feels the same way as I do.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Brian, I'm talking about poorer working class blacks, blacks who live in downscale neighborhoods, blacks who don't look or talk like Eugene Robinson et al. "Normal" is always a bad word to use.

I've also lived in an all-black neighborhood, Doots. And worked with an all-black crew.

And I doubt that Obama has a clue about what those people go through every day. Nor does Hillary no doubt. But the idiots around the blogs who cry racism everytime anyone says anything are ones that I KNOW haven't got a clue.

Well that is a great commentary Horsedooty! Too bad about the Section 8 problems, but all in all, it's a good place to live it sounds like.

Thank you for sharing and replying.

Sure Jamie,
We just have to do some planning if it's for day. We have several dogs that we need someone in to feed and let out.

Brian, that was no swift boating. You'll have to wait to the GE, if by some strange fluke he was to become the nominee, to see a swift boating.

As far as campaign debt is concerned, adding insult to injury, campaign expenses paid for by a candidate aren't taxed deductible.

Gordo, I like your posts, too.

And Max, sometimes you present some really good analyses, but you sure are long winded. :)

Flatus how exactly is it a strange fluke for the person with the most votes, states, and delegates getting the nomination. I hope you have a good accountant and don't do your own taxes. You're likely to end up in prison with those math skills of yours.

doesn't working in the south side of Chicago as an organizer for many years count as knowing what the "down and out" are about Patsi? I would dare say Obama has sat in kitchens and on the "stoops" of the down and out and working class black man. That is part and parcel to what organizers do.

yo soy Horsedooty!

I agree with Zoey..... I don't have time to read this blog as much as I'd like to.... let alone other blogs..... I didn't get what Gordo was about at first..... now I get it and I read his posts...... as for clicking on his links...... I rarely click on anyone's links....... don't want to spend that much time on this machine..... I prefer real life.....

Corey..... I admit I know very little about basketball...... I've never been into it... I started to watch the Atlanta/Boston series because my brother was raving so much about his beloved Celtics on a telephone call last week.....

and BTW.... I read Max's posts..... don't always agree with them..... but I find them well thought out and I appreciate them....

Patsi..... very glad to see you posting again....

I scroll by some people's posts...... other's I read avidly.... I say let each choose his/her own and stop whining about it..... just my 2cents.....

Brian, I wait for all the 1099s to arrive before I file my taxes. I hope you and Mr Obama do the same.

Nick -- We might be neighbors -- I don't know many people from DC who come down to F'burg for First Fridays. BTW, I have a good friend who is doing the AVON walk for a cure for breast cancer in DC this weekend. I didn't realize that the Juvenile Diabetes walk was also this weekend.

~Alicia

Jamie,
Since you mentioned it. . maybe you guys would drop down to north Lacey (exit 111) for the Preakness or Belmont. Hawks Prairie Casino has a simulcast room, plus restaurant and bar. Lunch, my treat. Otherwise the track's fine. This would not require much planning for me and wouldn't have to be all day. However, you guys may want to see some horseflesh..:)

Flatus I have an accountant. But you ignored the gist of my question, how is the candidate who the most votes, delegates, and states getting the nomination a fluke? What is it exactly about Obama's campaign that you think makes it "flukish"?

Gee I wonder who's posts Renee skips over.

Doots, in your part of your community, do you think most peoples' expectations of what an Obama victory could (or couldn't) achieve are realistic?

Afternoon, all.

A brief checkin while LP is practicing basketball. HD, I think MoDo has the lowdown on Obama and his apparent discomfort among those who he has tried to distance himself from. Thsi from the biggest name Clinton basher on the Times editorial page.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/04/opinion/04dowd.html?ref=opinion

Sad about 8 Belles.

Gordo, thanks for the posts - just follow Craig's request - keep the c/p shorter and speak for yourself more.

Max - ignore the man behind the curtain.

Mr Bush is talking at the Greensburg HS graduation. He's obviously enjoying himself and is charming.

Brian, let's talk about it on Wednesday. I simply don't yet think that Mrs Clinton's campaign is a failure. By the same token, I haven't ordered reservations for her coronation. I am still actively supporting her and think she is the best remaining hope for our country.

Flatus it just occurred to me that perhaps you don't know what the word fluke means. Here you go buddy:

fluke³ Definition

fluke (flo̵̅o̅k)

noun

1. Slang an accidentally good or lucky stroke in billiards, pool, etc.
2. Informal a result, esp. a successful one, brought about by accident; stroke of luck

"doesn't working in the south side of Chicago as an organizer for many years count as knowing what the "down and out" are about "

I'm not sure. I have never felt he in any way identifies with working class anybody, and that was before the small town comments. I just feel like he couldn't sit down and have much of a conversation with a lot of people. But that aside, my real problem with him goes back to the beginnings of "I am Joshua."

Thanks Brian, for validating my understanding of the word 'fluke'. I used it in just the context that I desired.

Patsi, I have never been able to visualize him in the role, either.

Gordo -- I have a habit of tracking RW blogs and websites too. It's amazing what some people take as gospel truth. I like what you write too -- just remember to stay on Blog-daddy Craig's good side!

Flatus -- Ignore BrianinNY disrespectful attitude. All he does is check into the O-Team's talking points and repeat them here ad nauseum.

Flatus I'm curious as to what you think Hillary should do if she loses both states on Tuesday?

And Alicia I'm really curious to know as what you mean by a disrespectful attitude? Who exactly it is that you think I have disrespected?

"Flatus it just occurred to me that perhaps you don't know what the word fluke means."

ROFL. Brian the word gourmet. Kind of like he loves to tout his eating habits.

Yes, Brian -- Flatus used the word precisely as he meant to do. Caucuses that disenfranchised many of Hillary's supporters. Texas, where black votes count more than Hispanic votes. Winning red states that will be meaningless in November. Sounds like the Dems process turned out to be a big stroke of luck. And the biggest stroke of luck? Quite a few Americans are suffering from Post Traumatic Bush Stress and looking for a savior.

Patsi you've already equated Obama supporters with rapists, and stereotyped an entire race too, one would think you'd be done for the day.

Hi gang,

Did Bill Clinton seek advice from Reverand Wright? I have heard that somehwere and don't know if its true.

What happens if Obama wins and the Superdelagates are for Hillary? Do you guys think the Superdelegates will vote for Hilary anyway or will they refuse to vote at all?

Wright attended a Whitehouse prayer breakfast in the post Monica era. Later being the good Christian he is,Wright used Lewinsky to attack the Clintons from the pulpit. Of course he also said Natalie Holloway got what she deserved.

Did you hear Clinton asked Wright for help from the same people distributing the Micky Kantor tape.
That piece of work proves Obama is using racist tactics to galvinize his vote.

Rob,

That isn't quite the way it works. Neither Obama or Clinton can win without the additional votes of the Superdelegates. If enough of them declare for one or the other to put the total count above 2025, then that person becomes the presumptive nominee.

Now the candidate who hasn't reached that total has a choice. Withdraw and release their delegates or go to the convention for a possible floor fight. Either way, nothing but nothing is final until the first ballot is taken at the national convention no matter what anyone has said or done before then.

After the first vote if everybody does exactly what they are pledged or promised to do, then someone will or will not get 2025 votes. If someone goes over there is usually a move to make the nomination unanimous.

If no one goes over the required amount, then it goes to another ballot. At this point the war begins and they will keep balloting until they have a candidate. This is the "brokered" convention. It could end up someone other than Clinton or Obama as a compromise candidate. This has not happened in a long, long time.

Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer -----

Sun-tzu (Chinese general & military strategist (~400 BC)

That's the way I approach information - go to the "enemy". Why read or listen to people you agree with? After many years of following the Right Wing, I can honestly say that I've rarely been taken by surprise when something hits MSM. These people are very open about what they intend to do. Most Dems prefer to avoid the Right Wing sources and that's understandable - they can be brutal. Look at how upset some of you get with Brian. Brian is like a kitten compared to these Right Wingers. You can toughen up a bit by listening to mainstream RW like Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Cunningham, etc. There are more obscure shows on the net which provide info too "hot" for the general public.

Some blogging friends of mine are raising money to send Texas children with cancer to Camp Sanguinity. There is an on line raffle for an IPod Shuffle for anyone making a donation to the fund. For info see Jessica The Rock Chick

http://lifeisrantastic.blogspot.com/2008/05/shuffle-off.html

Gordo -- I like what you write too - Alicia
Gordo, thanks for the posts- Pogo
Gordo, I agree with Zoey...you're my Newshound - Giget
Gordo, I like your posts, too.-Flatus

Which of those articles does everyone like the best.? The one he posted/linked that;

said Obama" is a Muslim," attended a "Wahabi" school in Indonesia, took his Senate oath on the Koran, refuses to recite the Pledge of Allegiance and is part of an Islamic plot to take over the U.S.; or maybe

the one talking about Obama's gay sexual liaison in the backseat of a car after doing a couple lines of cocaine; or was it

the one where he gave Hillary the finger on national TV; or was it

the Chicago story about how Rezko and Auchi bought his mansion for him and that Williams Ayers, a former bomber terrorist, was his good friend and associate who raised and donated thousands that put him in office and help "funnel" money to the Hamas.

Anyone remember a better favorite.

Sorry guys, can tag along with you on this crap. His right to post is not my concern. I 'm not saying he's creating or making this crud up, he's just part of the distribution.

B Wong, not to excuse his other speeches but I believe on Holloway he was trying to make a valid point but made a mockery of it.

"Black women are being raped daily in Africa. One white girl from Alabama gets drunk at a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and gives it up while in a foreign country and that stays in the news for months"

I haven't been on here lately. Is it true the "Audacity of Hope" came from a Wright speech? I've seen it floating on the internet.

Renee , I read ysterday that NBA commissioner David Stern is excited at the prospect of a Lakers vs. Celtics final. If Boston would have lost today , that would have upset him.

Regarding Obama:

More Votes
More States
More Delegates
More Cash
More Ovaltine , Please!

Not from a speech Rob, from one of Wright's sermons I believe.

Rez you forgot the one where Gordo accused Obama of murder.

Rezdog--------------------------

You prefer to be blindsided by the Right Wing Attack/Smear machine? Just trying to give Dems an early warning of what would be used against Obama.

Flatus,
I have read on this blog what several women have written and that this is the best chance in there lifetime for the US to elect a woman. And that it may not happen again in their lifetime. I am sure that the African-American voters in my community would or could say the same thing about Obama. I am not sure what they really think tho. I don't think they think Obama is the world's savior. I think they see a chance to have someone that looks like they do be in charge. When Katrina hit and the TV exposed all the problems with the Bush Adm getting help, my neighbors talked to me about seeing people that looked like they do and how they felt abandoned. Maybe Bear can answer better since he is a black male. I am just an old white guy.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Doots,

Thanks for your reply and for putting it in a comparable context. You caused me to think about what must have gone through peoples minds when Gen Honore arrived in New Orleans and took charge.

You may be an old white guy, but you're there.

" I don't think they think Obama is the world's savior. I think they see a chance to have someone that looks like they do be in charge. "

I agree wholeheartedly with you onthat point Doots. When I talk about the "savior" aspect I am talking about the wide-eyed whites who believe somehow Obama will erase the Bush years, the war and racism.

Blacks know better than to think he can completely turn that page.

Patsi,

I don't think any of them think that the Star Spangle Banner will be done in a rap version at the Inauguration or at any of the parties later that week either. Whomever is elected is gonna face a myriad of troubles that this current group of clowns have created for us. Who was it that wrote that stopping the war would not free up any money because there is no money. It is all borrowed. And it is all "Off Budget" so in my way of thinking the war will have cost more than the announced 3 Trillion dollars. And it ain't over. I would write out 3 trillion but I don't think I know what the numbers 3 trillion looks like.

Racism may last for another generation or two in my estimation. I see a lot of resentment from young blacks in the neighborhood and it is easy to cry racism when they are asked to follow the rules. A lot of this I can put on POP CULTURE. I do see a lot of change also. There are a lot of mixed couples now that when I was a pup would have NEVER happened. Not just in Fort Worth but all over the south. Your friend Harold is marrying a white girl this week I think. Someone told me once it was hard enough to find a mate in real life so why only limit yourself to one race. When you find the one you love that is the one you love regardless their skin color.

Babies having babies would be a good place to start to ease the troubles in the black community. Latinos do that also. Friend of mine just married a lovely girl from a little town in Mx. He said that she wanted to wait to have ninos. I had to ask "how long does she want to wait?" He said she said, " about a month". I guess it is the tradition. Tough situations to be solved and some may not have solutions.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Doots,

Consider that Men have had the vote and the majority of all political offices for 230 years (including free blacks). Black men have had the right to vote and did so in the majority of the country for 143 years. Women black and white have only been able to vote for 90 years and only recently started to get any number of offices at the national level.

There definitely will be another man in the presidency. That could very well be a black man in four to eight years. The women who have worked for 30 - 40 years for civil rights, the rights of women, and the Democratic Party would like just one crack at the office some time before we kick the bucket and there is no one on the horizon likely to do that other than Hillary Clinton who is totally prepared and competent to do the job.

Let's face it. There is no way she could screw up the job worse than the men have.

PETA is all up imn arms after yesterday's Kentucky Derby tragedy with Eight Belles. They are call for severe punishments for jockey and all others involved. Even hoping for a ban of this *barbaric* sport. They even used the term *crocodile tears* when talking about the trainers , jockeys and owners.

http://blog.peta.org/archives/2008/05/kentucky_derby.php

On May 4th , 1979 Margaret Thatcher became the first female Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.

wow, folks, i don't know what to make of michele obama's speech on c-span right now

Jamie,

I don't disagree that a woman should be considered for POTUS. I disagree that there is no one on the horizon that could likely do as good a job as Sen Clinton. There is, I grant you, right now no one that has stepped forward like she has. But 4 years ago Sen Obama was an unknown to the nation also until he gave that speech at the convention. That woman may be out there and no one has found her yet. You sound like there will never be another and that is just not realistic.

I would submit to you that this candidate, Sen Obama, is the first credible Black man that has been able to run for the presidency since the beginning of the country. He may not make it. For that matter, just because he and I share the same plumbing is not why I support him. You should not support your candidate simply because of your shared plumbing. I don't mean to be crude. Hell, Obama and Clintons ideas are not really that far apart from each other.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Jamie by your reasoning it's only fair then that a black man gets elected before a white woman.

Just tuned into it Craig.

". . having babies would be a good place to start to ease . .. Latinos do that also."-Horsedooty

Exactly. Like history repeating itself here in N. America.

Marrying into the dominant culture. That's how the Aztecs, "wandering hordes from the north", gradually assimilated into the valley of Mex. City and eventually over several generations mastered the old Tehuacán ruling culture. It's all very interesting, one of my fave readings in school.

Brian,

How do you figure? The women have been waiting a long time. A black man is very much a man. The women of all shades have been waiting much longer.

Well since black men got the vote first that puts them first in line. Jamie it's a silly argument you're trying to make. Your premise is based on it's some how owed to you.

From what I saw Craig nothing struck me as odd.

jamie,

Brian considers him a tokin' voter, too.

Dooty,

"Sen Obama, is the first credible Black man that has been able to run for the presidency since the beginning of the country"

My major problem is that unlike you, I do not believe he is a good man for the job. I could very well get stuck with him as an alternative to McCain, but I will take a hell of a lot of convincing that he is worth the vote as I simply don't believe he will be good for the country.

I trust her. I don't trust him.

i am serious -- i do not know what to make of this speech -- either michele propels him to the next level or she herself is jeremiah wright -- i honestly cannot figure it out

x

What is she talking about in her speech?

Craig all I saw was her talking about cracked plastic slip covers and working change from the ground up.

BTW Dooty,

There is a long, long list of black men that I would have considered much more credible for the Presidency.

Frederick Douglas ran for the Vice Presidency. He would have been a good possiblity as would WEB Dubois, George Washington Carver, MLK and that is just off the top of my head. Barack Obama is way down on the list.

So... who here did well on their listening and reading comprehension tests?

America needs you NOW!

9/11 , I used to work with a guy named Dennis. He was told when he first started at work that if he didn't understand something , he should ask questions. Dennis asked a lot of questions. But , he is most famous for always saying, "I don't get it!" So any time somebody couldn't comprehend something that was said at work , they would say, "I don't get it!"

Craig -- Wish I could see the speech you're talking about. I have 4 different c-spans and none of them have Mrs. Obama. Is it a reprise of the "for the first time in my life I am proud of my country" sort of thing?

yes, I have scalia and david horowitz on cspan 1 and 2.....

I am sorry you feel that way Jamie. There is nothing I could say that will change your mind so I won't even try. I would ask for your support if he is nominated. There is much more at stake than just if it is he or she. There is a matter of Justices of the Supreme Court. There is likely to be 3 justices that will step down in the next 4 year and if the Dems allow a Repub to select them, well, that fact alone may really undo all the gains that women have made and the laws that currently protect women and their rights to choose to reproduce will be changed for years or decades to come. Are you willing to jeopardize that? Surely, that would be something you believe in and for those 30 or 40 years you worked for Womens Rights, you wouldn't want to see them go down the drain because your candidate did not get the nomination.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Dooty

That is why I have finally made up my mind that if I have to I will vote for him and that is a major concession for me as I genuinely believe it would be a big, big mistake.

One of my c-span's ontent has been bumped in favor of basketball. It's a Comcast thing.

Doots they may not make it to stepping down, I worry several won't live long enough to reach 1/20/09

Jamie,

all those men are fine examples of Americans. However, just because you and I think they are fine people doesn't mean that given the time they lived in would have made it possible for any to have a realistic chance of being elected POTUS.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Horse -- I feel what Jamie is saying, and understand the importance of the SCOTUS appointments. If Obama is the nominee, I will vote for him. Will I work for him or give him money? Probably not. I will leave that to all of the Obamabots who will have to carry the day for him. I will be too busy working for Mark Warner for Senate and Leslie Byrne for the VA-11.

Meanwhile, I will start searching ex-pat sites for a place to wait out the McCain years. I wonder how the US dollar is holding up in Costa Rica?

Brian,

I really don't worry about that. Even if Shrub nominated, we now hold a majority in Congress. They could stall until the next President is sworn in and the nomination withdrawn.

Alicia,

How good is your Spanish? San Miguel de Allende in the state of Guanajuato in the central highlands of Mx. Very scenic and there is a large gringo population there also.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Sorry Dooty,

There have been thousands of both women and men who previously would not be considered for the office. I just compare the records of the two people currently vieing for the office and I see an intelligent woman with a 30 year dedication to public service much of it on the national level up against a mildly pleasant middle aged amateur with only two years on the world stage.and no real history other than constant ambition for the next rung on the ladder.

So I may be forced to vote for him. He says his backers won't vote for her while her backers will vote for him and in his self puffery arrogance he is probably right, but he will not get one dime or one minute from me.

Jamie-
HRC on FOX News now
~G

Doots.......I work with a mexican kid sometimes whose home is Guanajuarto......

Jamie in just about every poll on the subject higher numbers of Clinton supporters say they won't vote for Obama than the other way around.

Brian,

Unlike the Obama swooners who are in love with him more than the country, the Clinton supporters will come around. We have spent too many years trying to make the place better to stop now. We are just going to be royally pissed about it if we have to.

His hoping for a change screamers can go home to their parents and play on their my space pages.

Those who believe in Telekinetics, please raise my hand.

---Kurt Vonnegut Jr.

Jamie I know you don't get out much, so I'm not really sure how many Obama supporters you actually know. But going on the sentiments expressed on this blog the only way I can respond to your last post is to say "what the fuck are you talking about?".

I've not heard one Obama supporter on this blog or any I know personally said they will vote for McCain if Obama doesn't get the nomination. However you and I both know Clinton supporters on this blog who have expressed with great pride that they will vote for McCain if Hillary doesn't get the nomination.

Just being cranky Brian

My idea of a perfect black candidate = Harold Ford Jr. He has a lot of wisdom Obama doesn't and has had some experience in taking rough campaigning. If Obama is elected and becomes another Jimmy Carter, or worse, it will be a sorry picture for blacks who are proud of him now. You want to present your best, and Obama isn't it.

Bettyboo,

What you just wrote is a load, a crock, whatever you want to interpret me to mean......

Now fading back into the shadows....

CBS Poll: Support For Obama Rebounds

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/04/opinion/polls/main4069259.shtml

(CBS) Democrat Barack Obama appears to have rebounded from some of the damage caused by the controversy surrounding his former pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright, according to the latest CBS News/New York Times poll.

On one key measure, Obama has seen a big reversal since his denunciation of Wright’s remarks on Tuesday. He now leads presumptive Republican nominee John McCain in the hypothetical fall contest by eleven points, 51 percent to 40 percent.

.....Brian,

As "Guam" goes, so goes the nation ;0)

Sorry, just had to add that

Sheila who knew Guam would play such a pivotal role in American politics! God Bless Guam!

Well- I have not been here in a while-

for starters, Craig what do you mean exactly about Michelle Obama's speech? I caught quite a bit of it earlier today, and found it to be very similar to when I saw here here last December. I was struck at the time of how much she spoke about her background and how nowadays families have to have 2 incomes, her dad's disability and about the importance of good public educations, etc. I remembered her laughing about how wouldn't it be good to have a president who was 2 years away from having paid off his student loans? And that was due to his book sales

Many things she said that day rang true to me, one of the most being that she wanted a world where her girls could feel free to travel and not to walk in fear. I have those same thoughts .

...........................................
I have had little interest in posting here for a while. I am troubled at the vitriol and negativity- life is too busy and too short.

It is most frustrating to read the blanket statements about Obama supporters or Hillary supporters- I mean, today there was a post implying that Obama supporters were rapists.

But when I read that Obama supporters are wide eyed young sychophants whoa re going to jump ship- I guess I do not see it. Just tonight I was at my county democratic meeting, and I was in a room of about 25-30, the third youngest at 44. Most present were Obama supporters. I decided for Obama just before our primary, mainly and truthfully because I wanted to be neutral as a town chair, but even then, Hillary was my 4th or maybe 5th choice.

I had always liked and backed and defended her as first lady, I was ecstatic when she was elected senator- it was the best result out of that year's election.

But for this election, the biggest