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Top of the morning Lads & lassies

Regular programming to begin = our summer of love is over..
Not sure I am ready for this week to start.
Julie

I'm first a very rare occasion. So here is some humor to help start the week off right.

Subject: Why Did the Chicken Cross the Road?


BARACK OBAMA: The chicken crossed the road because it was time for a CHANGE! The chicken wanted CHANGE!

JOHN MC CAIN: My friends, that chicken crossed the road because he recognized the need to engage in cooperation and dialogue with all the chickens on the other side of the road.

HILLARY CLINTON: When I was First Lady, I personally helped that little chicken to cross the road. This experience makes me uniquely qualified to ensure -- right from Day One! -- that every chicken in this country gets the chance it deserves to cross the road. But then, this really isn't about me...

DR. PHIL: The problem we have here is that this chicken won't realize that he must first deal with the problem on ' THIS ' side of the road before it goes after the problem on the ' OTHER SIDE ' of the road. What we need to do is help him realize how stupid he's acting by not taking on his ' CURRENT ' problems before adding ' NEW ' problems.

OPRAH: Well, I understand that the chicken is having problems, which is why he wants to cross this road so bad. So instead of having the chicken learn from his mistakes and take falls, which is a part of life, I'm going to give this chicken a car so that he can just drive across the road and not live his life like the rest of the chickens.

GEORGE W. BUSH: We don't really care why the chicken crossed the road. We just want to know if the chicken is on our side of the road, or not. The chicken is either against us or for us. There is no middle ground here.

COLIN POWELL: Now to the left of the screen, you can clearly see the satellite image of the chicken crossing the road...

ANDERSON COOPER - CNN: We have reason to believe there is a chicken, but we have not yet been allowed to have access to the other side of the road.

JOHN KERRY: Although I voted to let the chicken cross the road, I am now against it! It was the wrong road to cross, and I was misled about the chicken's intentions. I am not for it now, and will remain against it.

NANCY GRACE: That chicken crossed the road because he's GUILTY! You can see it in his eyes and the way he walks.

PAT BUCHANAN: To steal the job of a decent, hardworking American.

MARTHA STEWART: No one called me to warn me which way that chicken was going. I had a standing order at the Farmer's Market to sell my eggs when the price dropped to a certain level. No little bird gave me any insider information.

DR SEUSS: Did the chicken cross the road? Did he cross it with a toad? Yes, the chicken crossed the road, but why it crossed I've not be en told.

ERNEST HEMINGWAY: To die in the rain. Alone.

JERRY FALWELL: Because the chicken was gay! Can't you people see the plain truth? ' That's why they call it the 'other side.' Yes, my friends, that chicken is gay. And if you eat that chicken, you will become gay too. I say we boycott all chickens until we sort out this abomination that the liberal media white washes with seemingly harmless phrases like 'the other side'. That chicken should not be crossing the road. It's as plain and as simple as that.

GRANDPA: In my day we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the road. Somebody told us the chicken crossed the road, and that was good enough.

BARBARA WALTERS: Isn't that interesting? In a few moments, we will be listening to the chicken tell, for the first time, the heart warming story of how it experienced a serious case of molting, and went on to accomplish its life long dream of crossing the road.

ARISTOTLE: It is the nature of chickens to cross the road.

JOHN LENNON: Imagine all the chickens in the world crossing roads together, in peace.

BILL GATES: I have just released eChicken2007, which will not only cross roads, but will lay eggs, file your important documents, and balance your check book. Internet Explorer is an integral part of the Chicken. This new platform is much more stable and will never cra...#@&&^(C% ... reboot. ; & gt;

ALBERT EINSTEIN: Did the chicken really cross the road, or did the road move beneath the chicken?

BILL CLINTON: I did not cross the road with THAT chicken. What is your definition of chicken?

AL GORE: I invented the chicken!

COLONEL SANDERS: Did I miss one?

DICK CHENEY: Where's my gun?

AL SHARPTON: Why are all the chickens white? We need some black chickens.

Well I was first. lol.

Here is a good article that will give you some idea what BHO has in mind for The United States of America should he be elected POTUS.

"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK,"

This is just part of BHO's plan for "change". The sheep still follow the farmer to the slaughter house.
. http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5h-wpxs1Re-8vx2Zk5xnYygW1W67w

ROFL Fry! I actually thought the "W" one was funniest. But this one brought something to mind: "PAT BUCHANAN: To steal the job of a decent, hardworking American. "

I do think that illegal immigration and border security is a HUGE problem in the country. I've also seen a big difference in the kinds of people coming in over the last few years as opposed to earlier. People in the hispanic/latino/chicano community that I know tell me that there is a big influx of pretty tough customers from Central America that worry them.

However, I remain unsure about the so-called welfare a lot of them are receiving. I live in a heavily ethnic area, and I go to the grocery store every couple of days. I have yet to see a hispanic person use a WICA card or any sort of government assist. I see lots of whites and lots of blacks using them -- but no hispanics. They always pay in cash. Not even sure that means anything except that they don't use banks and may not be paying taxes. But they sure ain't all on welfare.

If Obama claims victory in the primary after his Oregon win, it will be
premature, unless he reaches the magic delegate number. Since the Clinton campaign and Camp Obama can't seem to agree on what the winning delegate count is, Obama's claiming primary victory seems audacious and ungentlemanly. At the same moment, Hillary will be claiming a victory in
Kentucky to a probable double digit win, again, highlighting Obama's
Big Problem--he can't get the working class vote.

I thought Obama wanted to start the healing process within the Dem Party. His pushing his way to crown himself top dog won't appear very friendly to Clinton supporters.

Why shouldn't Hillary be defiant until all the states vote and
Florida and Michigan are counted? In answer to my question,I can hear all the pundits and O-bots now,
"But, she can't win. . ."

"The US has turned dramatically towards biofuels, with Congress raising the federal requirement for using the oil alternative from 6.5 billion gallons last year to nine billion gallons this year. As a consequence, about a quarter of the American corn crop was used for biofuels last year, driving up the price of corn and, hence, also the price of food for millions of families."

The above is from this article.
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/You39re-running-out-of-oil.4095858.jp

Lets hope and pray there is a bumper grain harvest this year. The environmentalists are against, coal mining, burning of coal, oil drilling, oil refineries and nuclear power.
Odd that a country which has all the resources its needs, has to import most of its energy, whose price carry a 60% speculators charge, which then has to converted into by-products by fewer and fewer old out dated refineries running at near capacity 24/7. Oil is purchased by the oil companies at $125 a barrel who job it is to convert it into heating oil and gas and other by-products. If American want lower gas prices they need to prohibit speculators from entering the commodities market, they need to drill more oil here in the US and the need to build more refineries or start building new nuclear power plants, a 5 to 10 year project, but that won't happen so in the mean time enjoy that $4.00 a gallon gas, and that $5.00 box of corn flakes. Suicide by a thousand self inflicted cuts.

Off to work. Bye all.

Good morning All - Yesterday was a nice respite from the fray. No minds were changed, but at least the fever abated some.

Oregon truly interests me. After that massive rally, it will be fascinating to see the margin. I would dearly love to see under 10% if only to keep introducing Sen. Obama to humility. He might need to know about it at some point in the future.

Craig, you and I are probably relatives many degrees removed. I have a ton of Scottish Craigs and a few Crawfords hanging from the family tree.

Fry -Thanks for the chicken humor - lol

W did a wonderful thing for BO last week. Does the GOP secretly want to lose?
I have to say that the meeting BO held in South Dakota on Saturday was the best I’ve seen of him. (I find an arena full of screaming fans who are followers of a cult of personality to be quite pointless.) It was nice to hear what he had to say & to speak with people one-on-one.

However, he had to be backed into a corner before he chose sides with respect to Hamas, just as he did with Rev. Wright. (Apparently, he was also goaded into accessorizing with a flag pin, too.) He will cave to peer-pressure; he will play politics; he lacks definition.

Fry – Well, we do have to make some changes but, yeah, it’s a bit like Jimmy Carter telling us to turn our thermostats down in the winter & put on a sweater. In fact, although Carter is a wonderful humanitarian, maybe it takes someone with a bit more startch to be Prez. Things our grandparents did & we take for granted. We are spoiled & I am thankful to live here. However, imagine what the world would be like if we had put all of the money from Iraq into homeland security and energy R&D.

fry daddy..that was so funny..will send that to a few people today.....looking good for the girl today..on MSNBC showing new Suffolk poll.for Oregon..Clinton gaining ground...landslide in Kentucky

Craig,

Nice start to a new day. Good job everyone. reading the posts, I actually think I have gotten to know more of you. I actually wanted to read.

The On the Road Obama Mommas, AKA Dog and Sheila are in Colorado. Making our way to possible Boisie today. Rockies here we come!

I think having high gas prices is the only way to encourage the majority of Americans to want, and to actually change their attitudes about fuel consumption and fuel alternatives.

The problem is it's going to hurt financially, however, thats what it takes to create change.

Fry,

Hilarious. Thanks for the read!

Hope Oregan is close.

Does anyone think the "sweetie" remark helped derail the big MO?? I found it pejorative and sexist!! Some companies would fire an individual for making such a remark.

In the boozey hours during our first night of summer love, our host profoundly posited (applicable IMHO to the candidates): "you might find Makers smoother but WT 101 delivers the goods"
Is this not a sign of a great thinker?

oops!! Oregon...

Good Morning, again, everyone,

This morning Howard Wolfson on MoJo said there's zero chance Hillary Clinton will drop out of the race this week. He believes Obama's premature victory lap is
insulting. 'Hillary is in this race until we have a nominee and it will not be
Tuesday," Wolfon insisted.

Currently, more voters, over 17 million, have voted for Clinton than Obama.

http://www.bestsyndication.com/?q=20080518_curtain_time_obama_part-5.htm

Interesting article on the migration of "gutter". Democrats will happy in the next few months that Hillary is available.....

In reference to Craig's post today:

I ask again, "Why shouldn't Hillary be defiant?"

She's been treated shabbily by the Dem Party and the press. Why
shouldn't she fight on. After all, she's still winning states.

http://www.bestsyndication.com/?q=20080518_curtain_time_obama_part-5.htm

Interesting article on the migration of "gutter". Democrats will happy in the next few months that Hillary is available.....

Marcia: Bob Shrum was also on MOJO this morning and reinforced the message of the Obama campaign (and the DNC): Yes, Obama has a problem with white working-class voters. But, no worries, it isn't really a problem because he is "redrawing the map" with his millions of new voters (the "new coalition").

Tim Russert also reminded viewers this morning that the Obama campaign is quick to point out that Oregon is a "swing state" and that a Democrat must win Washington, Oregon and California to win the GE and Obama is better positioned to do that. It is completely irresponsible to spew talking points from the campaign that are simply stuck on stupid. Does anyone really think that Washington, Oregon and California will go red if Clinton is on the ticket? (Or if Obama is on the ticket?) As a resident of Oregon for 22 years and a resident of Washington for 14 years, I can reassure Tim Russert that the Pacific Northwest is safely in the blue column in the fall. I swear I don't think any of these guys have even been to Oregon in the last twenty years. They keep talking about logging?! UGH.

Prof Marica,

just thought I would help you out. Real Clear Politics has wonderfully even stats on the race. This is good for a conversation. Wish I could stay. But time to move.

Democrats Obama-Clinton Spread

Total Delegates 1899 - 1718 Obama + 181
Super Delegates 297 - 275 Obama + 22
Pledged Delegates 1602 - 1443 Obama + 159
Popular Vote 49.3 - 47.5 Obama +1.8
Popular Vote (w/FL) 48.4 - 47.6 Obama +0.8
Nat'l RCP Average 49.0 - 41.8 Obama +7.2
Oregon 51.4 - 40.6 Obama +10.8
Kentucky 28.8 - 58.4 Clinton +29.6

mornin' all.

Craig, buddy, maybe this column will finally convince one of the O-supporters here that you are not in the tank for Clinton.

After considerable congitation, I have come to believe that Hillary's SD press/ FL&MI strategy will likely fall short. I have also come to believe that if Obama stops acting like he's running for class president and starts acting like he's running for POTUS, bones up on and starts talking about national security, energy, and the economy like an adult, he could very well win in the Fall. All I can say is I hope his judgment is good, he benefits from a rising economy and he has the good sense not to get involved in bullshit conflicts in the middle east.

BW, the real problem with the "sweetie" remark is that
he never answered the GD question - which I believe was his intent. The BS apology the next day did nothing IMHO to repair the dismissive response. And yes, it was sexist. Wonder how he'd have reacted to bein called boy?

Sheila - Boise? I guess you do have to go through ID to get to WA unless you have all the time in the world to kill on the road. Hope the travels have been fun.

(and if this becomes a double post - don't blame me)

profM - you know of course, you have opened yourself up to an extended argument? :-)

Pogo,

Boise actually gets us over the Rockies in good time, while allowing Dogs Eye View a view she has never experienced.

All other ways put an hour or two on the road. I plan to be home by Tuesday.

Have a great week. Don't know when I will have internet access after Friday.

From the previous thread:

DNC: Fractured Fairy Tales

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvuMDmqwwbI

Sheila, well, Boise or no, you two drive safely.

BOWWOW44
Thanks for the link to the Hillary write in vote.Hope it has legs.

Ruth

This morning on GMA Michelle said she "just loves Hillary"

Ruth

Subject: Why Did the Chicken Cross the Road?
Frydaddy.

Fry, that was a Classic!
You really lightened my mood.
And your next post was perfect too.
Thank you for starting my day with a laugh.
It's hard to take things as seriously now.

j

Don't want to be downer about FryDaddy's post, (because it really is funny) but the Chicken gag is from an email making the viral rounds (i got several copies in my box) and posted on many blogs. original source appears to be unknown. if anyone comes across the source, i like to give credit to original sources on here.

Fry, I know you toodled off to work, but good to see you're back in the saddle fer real. Now that the two nominees are pretty well determined, I expected you'd be back full tilt. Hope Ping and others (JennBe?) who are of the Republican persuasion will contribute. I'll be looking forward to our old vigorous, sometimes rancorous, Dem v. Rep arguments (I would have used "debates" but it would only have been in the sense of Hannity misuses that word - so I though I'd just go with the more honest "arguments"). anyway, that is a great chicken post.

good Monday morning gang.....

fry..... good one!

Pogo..... too bad about the Cavs...... NOT.....
now on to Corey's Pistons...... I am kinda nervous about this one, though....

oh yeah..... politics.....
why did the politician cross the road?..... to manipulate the politician on the other side into thinking he had crossed the road when in reality he had crossed the road but hadn't intended to so there........

Obama's lead shrinks to +4. Could a surprise be in the offing?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/or/oregon_democratic_primary-298.html

IvyGreen, you lurking - AL/MD chatting awaits.

Dearest Painter, are you not able to use your refresh button to rebuild pages? I know the one-character post is your method for doing that, but surely there is another way. Email us at cqtrailmix@verizon.net with info on the browser version you are using, and I'll see if someone can help you out.

Today's joke for those who love both language and saying exactly the right thing at the right time:

A linguistics professor was lecturing to his English class one day. "In English," he said, "A double negative forms a positive. In some languages, though, such as Russian, a double negative is still a negative. However, there is no language wherein a double positive can form a negative."

A voice from the back of the room piped up, "Yeah, right."

j

renee, yeah, yeah. Congrats to the Celts. (Before I became a Cavs fan - with a wife from Cleveland and a kid who worships Lebron and insists on getting his number on his jersey in every sport when he has the choice, a move in the name of domestic tranquility if nothing more - I was a huge Celts and Bulls fan. The Bird, McHale, Parrish era was wonderful, and of course with the Bulls there was that Jordan guy). The difference between the Celts and Cavs is in the number of players that can actually play the friggin' game. Lebron isn't actually on his own out there, but he ain't all that far from it. And speaking of chickens, I'll count some before they hatch - the Celts should beat the Pistons and make it to the finals - I just hope they win one or two on the road so they won't go into it with 3 straight 7 game series. I think the western conference could go any way, but my money is on Kobe & the Lakers. If I were Pierce, I'd be praying for SA to make it - worst road record of those 3.

jamie, L.

Hey
What a weekend!!!!!

Bet you women in here enjoyed all the love and affection from the Obama trolls

"Sorry, about slapping you around babe, But you know how I hate it when you get that attitude. You know it was for your own good, baby. You know I love you and I won't ever do it again. Promise, I love you babe, I just can't live without you. You mean the world to me. I promise I'll never do it again. I'll do anything you want, I'll take counciling if that's what you want. I love you babe ,I love you , I love you I love....................................."

It is a dysfuntional family over there.

Hey
Time for mama to pack her bags.

Get a little freedom

Get a little respect

You know what I mean.

The Obama folks don't respect women.
Look at them.
Jesse "hillary cried because she was worried about her appearence" Jackson Jr.
Merril, "crying fits" McPeak
and the top man himself
Barack"sweetie" Obama.

The question.

Why would you trust any of these bozos with womens issues?

LOL
my rant for the day.

deadlines to make
Payroll to meet
and miles to go before I sleep

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

Craig
The refresh button does not do it and your tech people have already contacted me and they could not figure out what the problem is.They have suggested I download Firefox which I haven't done yet.
Was going to do it yesterday but windows downloaded a new pack and it took most of the day.Dial up sucks!
Ruth

Craig: I noticed that the last time you were on Abrams they referred to you as an "MSNBC Political Analyst" but sometimes they refer to you as a "Contributing Editor for Congressional Quarterly" (usually when you are on MOJO.) I realize you are both but do you know why they refer to you with different titles depending on the show or segment? And do you have a preference?

Taking a road trip today so will be off for the day
Have a good day everyone
Ruth

Pug, btw, I left you out of my Trailmix Republican All Stars list - so sorry.

"DNC: Fractured Fairy Tales
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvuMDmqwwbI" Gordo

Gordo, I had missed this.
A work of art! Thanks.

Ally, i understand the difficulties some having with Bye Bye's rebirth as Mr. Democrat -- but in this comment the new Mr. D offers what i viewed as a genuine apology: http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/05/the-summer-of-love-challenge.html#comment-84687

As much as I agree that the old Bye Bye was offensive on so many levels, I appreciate the honesty and contrition in identifying himself with the new screen name. After all, he could have just started a new name with no reference to the past, and no one would have known. It seems to me that he first came on here playing a silly character as so many do on other blogs, not realizing that we try to keep that stuff to a minimum around here -- but then got stuck in his own typecast and is now trying to honor the spirit of this place. I understand if some cannot forgive, but I am giving it a try.

Okay Ruth (Painter), we can always pretend it is some alien code you are posting that will eventually lead us to eternal life, or something really cool like that.

Just being contrarian, but I am really starting to get totally fed up with the yakking news heads using lines saying it is all over for Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama is declaring victory.

Whether or not it is probable or even absolutely true, it is also extraordinarily rude and disrespectful of the voters who back Sen. Clinton.

The convention is in August. The delegate votes will be cast in August. Until those votes are actually cast, the "theoreticall count" could be 99 to 1 in his favor and he still would not be the nominee.

Declaring him the winner before the vote is taken is a diservice to the American public. At least have the good grace to say "Potential" nominee.

The SDs don't want to deal with the reality that Obama would be a severely flawed nominee and reject him - too much trouble for the Dem Party. If Dean and MSM succeed in this theft, I'll be joining the McCain camp - none of this "We're all Dems - Let's get along" nonsense works with me. I put country ahead of political party.

Pugnacious nails Mr, Democrat
"Sorry, about slapping you around babe, But you know how I hate it when you get that attitude. You know it was for your own good, baby. You know I love you and I won't ever do it again. Promise, I love you babe, I just can't live without you. You mean the world to me. I promise I'll never do it again. I'll do anything you want, I'll take counciling if that's what you want. I love you babe ,I love you , I love you I love"

This is what batterers tell their wives when they want them to come back,

The Democratic Party has requested that Mr, Democrat find another name as he does nothing to enhance the brand.

Craig: You said I understand if some cannot forgive -- a statement more profound than you may realize.
I realize that Democratic Party officials cannot admit that there may be a problem with women voters -- and, of course, many of them just think that a pro-Choice woman could never never vote for a Republican, but IMHO most of the rhetoric about Hillary supporters voting for Sen Obama in the end is as sadly dismissive as much of what has already been about all us downscale, uneducated, racist women ...
Personally, I do not intend to waste my vote on a write-in or a failure to vote...I do intend to vote for Sen McCain (who will be checked by a Democratic Congress) and I will consider that vote just as appropriate as the vote I cast for Gerald Ford in 1976.

Ally, regarding my on air titles, there's no ryhme or reason to it really, all happenstance. Whenever asked about why MSNBC does anything (or about the various conspiracy theories that bounce around), I like to quote what Henry Kissinger once said about the Soviets: "Never assume they actually have a strategy."

Craig, Is there any way to recognize those professional blogger implants we keep hearing about? The one's they say may have been here for months already. There's something creepy about it, and I find myself looking for them (but only occasionally), wondering if someone is trying to brainwash me. It would be nice to believe that everyone here has genuine and innocent motives.

Is A Funny Thing Happening On the Way To Obama's Coronation?
By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Mon May 19, 2008 at 08:56:34 AM EST
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Suffolk Universtiy's latest polling seems to say so. In Oregon:

Obama 45
Clinton 41
Undecided 8
Refused 6
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/19/95634/8338

Speaking of MSNBC -- for some reason my local cable service is having trouble broadcasting MSNBC today -- it could be a conspiracy of some kind 'cuz CNN is doing just fine.

"various conspiracy "

Whenever I read one of these "deep dark nefarious dealings" type offerings, I always remember not to ascribe to conspiracy when simple stupidity will do.

Lynn C - That refused number is interesting. I've never seen that in a published poll before. Lumping that number in with the undecided causes one to wonder what the reality is.
I would say this, however, Hillary's campaign did leave Oregon a day earlier than originally scheduled, so I would think that their internal polls probably showed that she was not gaining ground there. Still, one can always hope.

Craig, might I suggest that you mention to MSNBC and the other news outlets who occasionally (far to few times recently, I might add) bring you on for analysis that they are missing one of your better, and certainly more noteworthy, titles - as Appletini Test Pilot.

Hey , Meg

It is MrDemocrat.

If he is not on McCains payroll
he should apply for the job.

What a interesting person !
(this comment was changed and edited in the spirit of the summer of love)

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

Look who's trashing Hillary now.
by Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Mon., May 19, 2008

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/19/24353/9198

The ARG poll is almost identical to the Suffolk but doesn't have the "refused" category. The internals are interesting

http://americanresearchgroup.com/

ARG hasn't had a close accuracy rate but being this alligned with Suffolk makes you wonder a bit. Since Oregon is totally by mail, early votes vs later votes could cause quite a swing.

Craig: I didn't think it was a conspiracy. I was actually wondering if it had something to do with money. I just didn't want to be vulgar and ask outright. I wasn't sure if "MSNBC Political Analysts" are on retainer during the election and maybe this was an indication that we would be seeing more of you!

"Everyone is focused on making Oregon the state that pushes Obama over" on pledged delegates, said Nick Shapiro, Obama's spokesman in Oregon.

Still, this is a state that relishes its independence, where voters believe they're making a real difference and are mulling the decision carefully. So the door could be open for a Clinton pitch. The upside to 30 percent ballots cast is that 70 percent aren't in yet - whether for indecision or laziness - and theoretically up for persuasion.

Oregon Gov. Ted Kulongoski, a Clinton supporter, said earlier this month Clinton had a chance to win here, but that "Obama already has the edge." Today, this is what Clinton spokesman Isaac Baker said in a press release: "We faced an uphill battle in Oregon where Sen. Obama started with a significant lead and has outspent us nearly 2-1-- but we've campaigned aggressively throughout the state and Oregonians have responded."
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/05/no_fullcourt_press_for_clinton.html

oh i see what you're asking Ally, no i've had no change in status with them for several years -- under contract as a political analyst, and the bookings come and go according to no particular plan

Allegedly in the early voting in Oregon Clinton and Obama are tied. If the late breakers follow tradition and go for Clinton this race could be very close.

Jamie and Lynn C - the question is, would a close loss do anything at all to change the narrative? The media and the Obama people certainly used the close loss in Indiana to his advantage, even though it was a state that his campaign originally thought it would win.

I do find it interesting that with mail-in voting a smaller percentage of voters have voted than had voted by absentee mail-in ballot by this time in California. One of the spins of the California win (despite the influx of Kennedys and the huge rallies) was that people who made up their minds early and voted for Hillary by absentee ballot would have voted differently if early mail-in ballots were not allowed. HA!

Craig: So if you are "under contract" does that mean you cannot go on other cable news networks like Fox and CNN but you can do your C-Span gigs?

I really wish that MOJO would have you on while Joe is in Florida. But, I'm afraid you would be labeled by Barnicle and Mika as a Clinton apologist much the same as Pat B. has. Along with Bob Shrum they really went after him this morning.

I also hope that everything is OK with Joe's wife and her pregnancy. Joe isn't always my favorite guy but he has certain redeeming qualities.

"Craig, Is there any way to recognize those professional blogger implants we keep hearing about? -- Posted by: Meg"

no clue meg. if the point is to conceal their identity, assume identifying them will be quite difficult. this is a common practice for record labels and other marketers, btw.

"Do as the heavens have done, forget your evil; With them forgive yourself." -- William Shakespeare

Craig: And sorry for the roundabout way of asking about your title on MSNBC. I have been living in the Midwest only for two years but the "never talk about politics, religion or money" policy has already rubbed off on me. I used to be much more vulgar and nosy (as seen in my follow-up questions!)

Ally: Interesting that you mention Bob Shrum, the architect of failed candidacies. I really wonder that this guy has so much political credibility, frankly.

"Barack Obama has ordered his faithful to “be nice to Clinton supporters“!!! Are you not excited about this??? Everybody can line up and fall into place now and join the Hope-y Change-y Train! We know from past experience that he’s an honest and sincere man who never lies and isn’t a bigot, so let’s get with the program! There’s no reason why we shouldn’t trust him, right? Right?"

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/19/obama-orders-faithful-to-be-nice-to-clinton-supporters/

Meg,

In 1972 while living in Campbell, I attended the Angela Davis trial in San Jose ... in sympathy with the lady yet!

36 years later I can hardly claim to be a Berkely liberal or a Black Panther. : )

We are very encouraged in Oregon by the two most recent polls..Only election day will tell ..

President Clinton and Chelsea just copleted a vigorous 2 day schedule in the state. There was a great rally on the Salem Waterfront yesterday.

Obama had a huge rally on the Portland waterfront similar to the John Kerry one in 2004.

I have two full days of campaign work so you all have a nice day.

The hour live townhall which Senator Obama refused to participate in has been very helpful to Hillary.

Ally, i am excluded from going on CNN and FOX, other cable news, but C-SPAN is an exception

GORDO: Did you happen to catch Donna Brazille yesterday? The so-called neutral but really supporting Obama member of the DNC? Not one negative word about the Clinton campaign, saying she should stay in as long as she wants ... blah, blah, blah.

Ivy, catch my AL/MD post? Two states we have in common. Where in AL are you?

Craig needs some new titles. I like Appletini Tester, but it should include the corollary Tree Impact Measurement Authority.

My addition to the list: "RFD Cow Counter"

Any other suggestions?

Maggisd: These failed (and often scandalous) architects seem to go away for a while and then reappear. The Democratic party is FULL of them and the cable news networks are happy to give them a voice.

ha, lovin the new titles

maggi, Donna Brazille neutral? In whose mind other than her own? If she was any less neutral she'd be wearing clothing made from Obama '08 campaign signs.

Two things might convince me to change my mind about Sen Obama
If he chose a Clinton supporter to be his running mate ... say Evan Bayh.
If he would publicly, either in a speech or in an Op Ed express regret that so many of his surrogates / supporters accused the Clintons of racism and if he would also acknowledge (as per the recent piece by Peter Beinart in Time) that Bill Clinton's centrist policies actually took several GOP wedge issues off the table, things Obama might otherwise have had to contend with ... welfare, crime, affirmative action to name a few.

Thanks for the info Craig. My youngest son (13) is obsessed with politics and aspires to be a Senator, Congressman or (egads) lobbyist. He loved the book "Thank You for Not Smoking" and is a fabulous bullsh*t artist—so being a lobbyist isn't all that farfetched. I am trying to convince him to be a journalist instead (no correlation to my bullsh*t artist comparison). BTW: He reads your blog everyday.

Pogo: Exactly my point. It's just too bad that there is no real way to indicate sarcasm or irony online ...

Ally: Re Democratic pundits, Susan Estrich also comes to mind although I doubt anyone could have dragged Michael Dukakis over the finish line. Even I didn't want to vote for him ... although I did.

Maggisd: Yes, she is definitely around. Mostly on Fox, right?

How rude of me ...

Of course, kudos to our host, Craig Crawford. I would not have survived this primary up to now if you not for you, Craig! LOL

That should read "if not for you, Craig."

Haven't had my coffee yet and it shows.

maggi, I figured you were being sarcastic - anyone who's watched Bazille knows who she supports. Funny you mention indicating sarcasm on line. According to at least one source "lol" was originally meant as a way of indicating sarcasm. Irony is a lot tougher, it being all subtle and such.

maggi: The only Democratic candidate I ever wanted to vote for was Bill Clinton.

However, I have voted for every other lousy candidate they've run since 1980.

No, I am not one of the Gore worshippers although I will always see him as President Gore since he actually won the election.

maggisd ---------------

I never listen to Donna Brazile. After many years of monitoring right (and extreme right) wing radio, I've developed a high tolerance for verbal garbage, but DB is too BS for me.

Donna Brazile? Isn't she the genius that told Gore to run away from Bill Clinton?

She should be made to apologize to the world every day of her life for giving us George W. Bush.

GAKaren, People close to that campaign tell me Donna was a TRAINWRECK.

If Paul Begala had said he was "undeclared" but not "undecided," do you think CNN would not have given him the heave ho from their election night panel? (I doubt it.)

GAKaren: Like you, I spent a lot of time holding my nose while voting for a series of unappealing candidates (except I voted for Ford in 76). And Bill Clinton was the first one I was enthusiastic about (having started out as a supporter of Jerry Brown).

Funnily enough, my best gal pal voted for Clinton only because of Al Gore, whom she continues to admire and adore. I could not agree with you more about Ms Brazile's running of Mr Gore's campaign, although I also blame the Media ... by everything good and right about this country, he should have been our President. Just a few months ago, Tweety Matthews was still jumping all over Mr Gore about his "lies" ...

Ally: Speaking of CNN, I have a very hard time with another of their supposedly neutral analysts .. Roland Martin. I really do prefer people who admit their bias or their support of one candidate over another, no matter which one.

Patsi: She must have been. There is just no substantial reason that Al Gore should not have been our President.

Maggisd: Totally agree.

Gotta go ... double digits predicted again and errands must be done soon or not at all.

Maggie is so right about Gore and the media. They trashed him mercilessly. And still do.

Patsi: That seems to be the consensus about Ms. Brasile. I hold her personally responsible for Gore not winning his home state. If she had done her job properly, Florida would not have mattered.

Maggi: Tweety will never let go of that Gore internet stuff even though he knows it is a complete fabrication. I would love to smack Tweety in the head just once. Not that I'm advocating violence or anything ... LOL

" I hold her personally responsible for Gore not winning his home state."

Yep -- I'm in Tennessee, and the campaign was just terrible. The campaign offices were staffed with young kids who were jockying for position and getting NOTHING done. Plus, they sat on their hands when that story about him being a slumlord came out. The people who were renting from him had practically destroyed the property, and he was absentee so wasn't even aware of it. Then it got to be a circus, with the trashy folks living there practically turnng into extortionists.

Me as the mole? That would be great if I were getting paid. I'm a very pro capitalism Democrat, after all.

I did throw in the towel last week but I still don't understand why Obama can't put the nail in the coffin. He should be worried about losing KY by big numbers. You can't throw away the results of WVA and KY. This late in the game he should not be losing by big numbers. If he wins Oregon by under 10% that also should be an indicator that something is happening.

From what I observed on the Sunday shows and this morning's cable news coverage, it appears that Obama will continue to be the media prince and McCain will replace Hillary as the evil challenger (on every network except Faux).

Roland Martin (who I know), Donna Brazile (who I don't know) are two really dedicated people. Roland is an independent and Donna is a dedicated Democrat. I think it's a bit much to tear them down simply because they may APPEAR to like Obama. I say appear because if they were supporting Obama, like Paul Begala and James Carville, it would be quite easy for them to state it. I respect that they've decided to give each side an equal shot in their analysis.

meant, "like Paul Begala and James Carville support Hillary"

Mr.Dem - I know nothing of nor care about Roland Martin. Donna Brazile on the other hand is shameless. She is as strong an Obama supporter as Paul Begala is a Hillary supporter. At least Begala has the integrity to admit his support. You think she may APPEAR to like Obama? She has been a regular on the cable newsers and hasn't uttered a negative word about him, his campaign, the issues that favor his coronation or his supporters since the day the campaigns began, and hasn't missed a shot against Hillary's. I exaggerate a bit, but very little on this issue. Give me a break.

lunch break, actually.

I'm tearing Donna down for running a dismal campaign for Al Gore. Period.

"Tweety in the head just once. Not that I'm advocating violence or anything"

In his case having reservations would be a waste of emotion, lets just attack en masse. You may not have been around when I suggested slathering him in honey and staking him out nude on a hill of fire ants.

Craig,
WT 101 is moonshine. If you want something to "deliver the goods" try Knob Creek or (naturally) Elijah Craig.

Thanks, Pogo:

I'm still workin' my way through the 413 SOLC posts...if you can direct me back to the posting you're referencing, I will check it out. BTW, I chose "Ivy Green" after the street our first house was on which was in Texas... then I discovered it's the name of the Helen Keller birthplace in Tuscumbia not too far from where I live now...

http://www.helenkellerbirthplace.org/

Is "Shrink" available by the hour...maybe we can book in advance for some group therapy time...?

I don't understand how Oregon works. It's just a mail in only primary? Does it have any polling places? If they don't then it's no better than a caucus. Not all voters will vote. What happens to the last minute people?

Glad you reposted that from Fran. Over the weekend I spoke with a friend who said she'd had lunch with a colleague, a major NY book publisher, and an Obama supporter. But he told my friend that he was sickened by two things during this campaign season. First, the sexism that went unchallenged by the Democratic powers. Second, he said that we've now seen the media take control of two election cycles, giving us George Bush and Barack Obama. He wasn't saying the two were alike -- just that it was obvious both had been annointed by the media. Despite his support for his candidate, he said it didn't bode well for this country.

MSNBC is so weird. They are rotating a story about a death on the Great Barrier Reef as if it were "NEWS". Small detail. It happened five years ago.

They must have had the video left over from the doc bloc and no one could find any news of interest below the IQ of a slug to broadcast. Point of information it is about a pretty, dead, blond.

Meg...regarding professional "commentor implants." I think you just have to follow your nose and judge case by case. For example, that commentor "Daniel" who crashed the lovefest yesterday evening struck me as a paid McCain flunkie. He didn't have any background with this site, yet immediately started trashing our whole effort to be civil for a day. But this post was the clincher for me:

"I think I may like it here lots of cool women here kicking butt going with McCain if Hillary loses, I must commend you. I must say I think Hillary would have been great in the military she'd have made one heck of a drill instructor! I wish I had here in my outfit."

Actively recruiting disgruntled HRC supporters to McCain's side with empty flattery? I wonder how much he's getting paid?

Anyway...I was going to let him have it last night, but I figured even first-time commenters here deserved Summer Of Love protection. Plus, I was still in Bible mode at that time.

I don't understand how Oregon works. It's just a mail in only primary? Does it have any polling places? If they don't then it's no better than a caucus. Not all voters will vote. What happens to the last minute people?

Posted by: vadaryl | May 19, 2008 12:20 PM

Oregon only votes by mail for all elections.
Ballots must be received by 8pm on election day.

http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/dbcs/elections/election_information/voting_in_oregon.shtml

When will election results be known?
Ballot counting cannot begin until election day. Initial results are released at 8pm election night and will continue to be updated through the evening until all ballots have been counted.

Vad: Oregon is ALL mail-in. And, if your ballot arrives at the County Elections Office after 8 pm on Election Day, it doesn't count.

Maybe, like RFD TV has "One More Cow" as an unofficial slogan, MSNBC can use "One More Dead Blonde."

What else do you expect from MSNBC since they don't want this primary season to go on anymore. They don't have much to report on so they generate some news. I hope their ratings tank over the next several weeks.

Sorry Lynn...apparently we were posting at the exact same time. Yours is more detailed though!

Pogo,
Don't know if you're still on board this am, but I don't find the "sweetie" remark to be as outrageous as others do or as offensive as say, "boy". But then that's just me.

I've lived all over the US and if "sweetie" is sexist, then what about all the women working in the service biz (restaurants and bars); since thousands have called my wife and I sweetie, hon, and sugar over the years. I agree it wasn't a good choice for him.

Jamie,

McCain isn't the nominee either I guess. So why do we think of him as such? A couple of those repugs have only suspended their candidacies and not withdrawn or quit.

If Dean and MSM succeed in this theft, I'll be joining the McCain camp - none of this "We're all Dems - Let's get along" nonsense works with me. I put country ahead of political party. Gordo

Will you marry me?? My hubby is supporting BO and it's a little tense here!!!

Posted by: Ally | May 19, 2008 12:31 PM

No need to apologize, just another example of great minds at work!

Now I see why Obama leads in Oregon. It's just like a caucus, the young will vote in huge numbers but the old don't bother or find it to confusing to do so.

Rez...I agree with you about the "sweetie" thing, even though I'm HRC-friendly. The place where I used to work had a cafeteria where this lovely woman used to make sandwiches, and would call her customers "baby" or "love" when she asked them what they wanted. Some uptight jerk complained about it, and she got suspended. Unbelievable. People were outraged.

Although, context is everything. I guess you can make the case that when a POWERFUL man uses uninvited familiarity with a LESS POWERFUL woman, it is a subtle effort to put her in her place.

Either way, I didn't get all that exercised about Obama saying it to the TV reporter. Most reporters worth a damn have been called things like "fuckhead" and "asshole" by newsmakers and survived. It's just considered part of the job and not "news" if it doesn't get picked up by a camera so people sitting on their asses back in the studio can pontificate about it.

Interesting Rezdog chooses to confer with another male to understand why the use of the word "sweetie" in a professional situation is not like a waitress in a diner being overly familiar with the customer.

Daryl...but this time, maybe we can anchor our hopes in "the young" not being able to figure out how snail mail works! LOL!

I did not have a problem with Obama calling the reporter Sweetie, I had a problem with the media making a big deal out of it. Also when he called the reporter back why did we have to hear the call. I think the reporter or the place she worked at was trying to make a bigger deal out of it than it was. I know today everything is a big deal but that should of been between them.

No Surprise...

"Sweetie" is basically the equivalent of a 60-year-old politician whose feet are being held to the fire by a 28-year-old male reporter prefacing his comments with "Son..." or "Sonny Boy..." It's a rhetorical tactic to gain leverage. Politicians are full of them.

Annoying? Most definitely. Worthy of DEFCON 3 level outrage? I think not.

Now I see why Obama leads in Oregon. It's just like a caucus, the young will vote in huge numbers but the old don't bother or find it to confusing to do so.

Posted by: vadaryl | May 19, 2008 12:35 PM

Not at all. Vote by Mail is very successful in Oregon and has been used for years. It is easier to vote this way. Obama does not lead in Oregon due to vote by mail. Every single election in the state of Oregon is conducted this way. Oregon has a very high rate of participation in all age levels.

If Obama wins in Oregon it is because the state's demographics favor him not the vote by mail.

This is from a the Oregon Secretary of State a few years ago on the success of vote by mail.

Interesting Rezdog chooses to confer with another male to understand why the use of the word "sweetie" in a professional situation is not like a waitress in a diner being overly familiar with the customer."

Because Pogo brought it up earlier at 8:43. It might pay to read all the comments.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40032-2004Dec31.html

Left out the link on vote by mail

Vadaryl

Actually the percentage of participation has gone way up in Oregon since they instituted vote by mail and is expected to be near 75%. Unlike a caucus where you have to be at a specific place at a specific time, you can mail or drop off your ballot at anytime during the election window. The elderly and disabled love it because their polling place is their mail box.

On the "sweetie" business it was disrespectful, but not a major offense. More important and telling was that he NEVER answered her question either at the time or in the apology. No one has ever reported whether he got back to her as promised with the answer and interview.

The paper was right to call him on it because it was a common power play among politicians as it proved he was a dodge and weave politician like all of them.

I still don't like the entire primary is vote by mail. I like the old fasion go to the polling place and vote as long as the machine will count the vote. Give me a choice on how to vote.

Re: Tweety

"In his case having reservations would be a waste of emotion, lets just attack en masse. You may not have been around when I suggested slathering him in honey and staking him out nude on a hill of fire ants."

Jamie: I missed that ... wow you made my day! I almost drowned while reading that as I was drinking water at the time ... LMAO

Jamie,

Did you catch my 12:32 comment? It might have got lost in the sweetie chat.

Are we to wait until Sept. until we attack JM as their Nominee?

Nanny: I agree about the "Sweetie" comment but as we have lamented here so often, the sexism that permeates our society is really quite remarkable.

Guess we "womenfolk" (hehe) got pretty complacent. Looks like we still have a lot of work to do. If there is a silver lining in this protracted primary, perhaps our society will examine the sexism issues that came to light.

VADaryl

I prefer the old fashioned go to your polling place aspect of voting simply because it is a community activity and we have lost so many things where the community acts as one to achieve something good.

Still OR has now had years of practice with no scandals or evidence of manipulation. They seem to have ironed out the majority of the bugs and in an era of 24 hour work schedules, limited poll volunteers who are rapidly aging out of the system, and problems with computers, the mail in system is probably the wave of the future.

It does have the advantage of a paper trail since every single ballot becomes its own vehicle to recount if necessary.

Someone in OR would have to tell me if the voter retains a copy of some sort.

OK, Rez - No Surprise caught the gist of the difference and jamie drove it home - but my biggest beef is that he didn't answer her question. I will grant you that "boy" really does carry a connotation that is more than simply dismissive when used by a white person to a black male, but even as a male I recognize the dismissive message of a figure like Obama referring to a female reporter as "sweetie" and the dodge of the question. The feigned fondness and familiarity that exists between a waitress and and a customer is not analogous to a setting such as the one with a candidate and the press. And waitresses call both males and females sweetie, hon', and all those other little terms of endearment. I wonder how it would have played if Obama was on the receiving end of one of those little familiarisms - I suspect his supporters would have tried to joke it away because being outraged over a remark that is arguably dismissive, but not sexist when directed at a male would be a bit ridiculous.

To Rez (with much luv): Think "sweetie" is a joke, Tonto?

nanny: I'm hoping that once all the smoke clears some good will come out of this.

I do agree with your comments about younger women. I don't want to generalize but there seems to be a lack of understanding of how difficult it was for women trailblazers in all walks of life and all types of professions in our society.

Pogo,

Thx for the reply. If you noticed, I ended my comment by agreeing that it wasn't a good choice for him, i.e. who he is and what he's doing.

I really only commented because I thought you were protesting too much by use of that unique analogy. I recognize the difference between him and service employees, but like your analogy, i mentioned it for emphasis.

Funny, that some seem to think men can't fairly discuss issue of this nature. I guess it's in our DNA to be sexist.

Daryl,

Don't worry. He won't be the "official nominee" until after the 1st vote in Denver. So the SDs can't end it quite yet!

Hey, thanks for that comment, Craig. I missed it earlier.

Patsi,

Hon, "Chief" is one I'm more likely to respond too.

As my honkie friend from Nashville use to say, "hey Chief
you want a beer"

This may sound off topic but I don't think it is.

I watch a lot of sports with my husband and son. Do you know what irks me the most while doing so? Those moronic beer commercials that show guys making up dumb excuses to be with their buddies instead of their girlfriends. Don't get me wrong some of those commercials can be entertaining (I enjoy the BudLight commercials in particular) but they speak to a larger issue. They illustrate that shabby treatment of one's wife or girlfriend is perfectly acceptable or worse ... expected.

This type of advertising mirrors our society, I guess. Now this may sound like I'm nitpicking ... but on a certain level I don't think I am. At least my son calls some of the guys in the ads "losers!" I really enjoy it when he does that.

Rez, has something to do with chromosomes I think. And good god, Mrs. P doesn't think men can't discuss issues of sexism - hell, at times I wish she did. I did notice that you acknowledged that it was a bad choice for him. Frankly, I think it was just smarmy and thoughtless more than intentionally sexist.

Not now, not ever – A repudiation of Obama and the New Bolsheviks and an Interesting Possibility

"When Obama first burst forth upon the political scene lo these many months ago, my gut reaction was: “he’s not ready”, now I have to add “and he never will be”. The fact that people don’t see his poisonous combination of arrogance and naiveté, intellectual ignorance and disinterest, his viciousness and contempt for others has been a consistent source of amazement for me. I can only explain it by referring to a religious/cult model."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/19/not-now-not-ever-%e2%80%93-a-repudiation-of-obama-and-the-new-bolsheviks-and-an-interesting-possibility/

Bear

If you had read farther, I did "redo" the assignment and added more positive things about Sen. Obama. As to Sweetie, again if you had read you would see that the word didn't bother me. The avoidance of the question did.

Well
After the results become official tomorrow and HRC has won, be aware that five to ten super delegates will immediately again say what a great leader he is and they will flock to him.
That will be frontpage and or headline news, even if HRC routs him in KY with 25+ points and keeps it close in Or
But still,
HRC will not back down, she will continue through the final state....and persue FL and Mi.

If they are seated then she will say ( if she doesn't get the nomination) I can bow out with the notion that I have done all I could.
However, as I told you...I do not see that happening....

Don't know why I feel like tomorrow is going to be the beginning of the end for someone and it has to do with the 80K plus crowd in Or.......Something tells me that!

For the HRC supportters, please do not forget to light your candles tonight...

This black man is giving praise to all HRC supporters for stying true and holding firm

HRC Our Nominee

Obama: Hold On, Sweetie
By Jim Rutenberg

Updated Back in Pennsylvania in early April, Senator Barack Obama took some heat for calling a female factory worker “sweetie,” in Allentown.
He did it again today at a Chrysler Plant in Sterling Heights, asking a reporter to “hold on one second there sweetie” when she asked, “How are you going to help the American auto workers?”

He said he would address it at what was then an expected media availability — not soon enough.
“This sweetie never did get an answer to the question,’’ the reporter told her viewers on the local channel 7.
Update | 6:40 p.m.
Mr. Obama called the reporter, Peggy Agar, to apologize. Her station, WXYZ in Detroit, has more.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/14/obama-hold-on-sweetie/

We don't have to speculate on what happened we know what happened. He dodged the question and he uses "sweetie" regularly.

It's What Preceded "sweetie" that matters ....

This is why the sexist remark from his own mouth was so telling and demonstrates he is part of the culture. Wome get that!!..

The deafening silence of the DNC, Howard Dean and other leading Democrats, who to my knowledge (except Sen. Barbara Mikulski) haven't uttered a word of outrage at the unrelenting, sex-based hate that has been hurled at a former first lady and two term senator form NY. Among those holding their tongue are hundreds of Democrats for whom Clinton has campaigned and raised millions of dollars. Dom Imus endured more public ire from the political class with his insults.. Bush received an earful when calling BO an "appeaser".

Would the silence prevail if Obama's likeness were put on a tap-dancing doll that was sold at airports?? Would Ted Kennedy have a tantrum if Obama said LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act which is a fact.

The hypocrisy is astounding from a Party that pretends to support women's rights.

The DNC sold out the heart and soul of the Democratic Party and says it does not need the women or working class for it's new paradigm.

This campaign has been about power, revenge, and ego.

Pogo/Rez: I just chalk it up to the fact that men and women are wired differently. Remember those Men/Women are from Venus/Mars books? There is some truth to that.

I believe that in most cases (there certainly are exceptions) men don't realize they are being insensitive. That is, they are not intentionally trying to demean or hurt someone's feelings.

I think women have similar difficulties with respect to the male ego. My husband and son have accused me of being quite insensitive in certain situations and I was completely mystified! LOL

With regard to the sweetie remark: That reporter should have put him in his place right then and there. But judging the way women act around Obama (giggling teenagers), I strongly doubt he even realizes that the remark may have been offensive. I think he is used to being swooned over.

I found his interrupting Michelle during the GMA interview (on more than one occasion), much more offensive than the sweetie remark.

Take a look at these numbers. With the press saying it's over, Hillary is still holding her own with McCain and Obama has moved up a little. One would think he would be way ahead by now. Be interesting to see these polls after Tuesday and after this weekend with Obama and McCain/Bush going at it. Hillary was pretty much left out of the fight. Go back a few days even last month and see the trend.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/May19.html

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May19.html

Byrd endorses Obama for president.

Jason

HRC Candles

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=hrc

GAKaren,
You win my nomination for post of the day!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/05/obamas-victory-week-begins.html#comment-84945

Can't find any site that says Byrd endorses Obama. Where did you hear this.

never mind I found it.

"As my honkie friend from Nashville use to say, "hey Chief
you want a beer""

ROFL, Rez. Have you heard that Chicano comic tell why he calls "his people" beaners? I thought I was going to fall on the floor. He "says" he got heckled by people yelling that they weren't "hispanics" or "latinos" -- so he said, "How about 'beaners'?" And they liked it.

I personally don't mind being called a "broad." Have always kind of thought of it as empowering.....and names spoken out of the public eye are one thing....

But "sweetie" used in the public reporter encounter was definitely a not so subtle put down. Overplayed now of course.

Yes, it is disturbing that BO will claim some kind of victory tomorrow night. But, we all know this is "Staging". I read someplace that David Axelrod did some kind of an 'exciting' political, crowd scene for "The West Wing" (I believe it was) because someone at the show knew about Axelrod's expertise in such matters. No doubt the crowd for BO yesterday in Oregon was stunning, but don't forget, they stopped doing such events because it wasn't helping BO connect with voters. AND, since Iowa, he has many more people come to see him than vote for him. Let's hope that is still the case. P. S.: To answer a question earlier about me being two posters: No. I am only one, Fran SC, but thanks for liking my post yesterday!

No surprise on Byrd

He never got over Bill's tryst!! ..

and Kennedy has a lot of time on his hands.. do you think he's making phone calls..???

maybe Oregon is close!!!

Go Hillary

Thankx Jamie
Mine is lit allready

And remember my words today........

Gonna habe some dinner now, and the hot the books!
Today I donated a symbolic $44, meaning I donate that amount to the 44th president of the USA.

Be good my people
God's eyes are upon us....

Byrd announcing today that he's endorsing Obama. Interesting he waited one week after his state held their primary. I guess he did not want to be dissed if he did it sooner.

Ally, Bob Byrd's endorsement doesn't change my support for Hillary - but it does bring up one interesting (to me, at lest) aside - what will Hannity do no with his "Bob "KKK" Byrd" screed? Doesn't seem to ring very true now. Yet another BS Hannity accusation. I wonder if he'll even bring it up - Gordo, you listen to the enemy don't you? I expect a report back.

Karen, no doubt men and women are wired differently - and as for this man, there are times I'm very happy about that and times it drives me crazy. And in my experience, it's a whole lot easier for us men to be insensitive than it is for women.

So, Ivy, do you live in Tuscumbia or some other burg nearby, like Florence or Sheffield? I lived in Dothan for a year way back when. Used to love to go over to the house a couple of my friends lived in on a bluff over the TN River and just watch the boats go by.

Ivy, whattamistupid? I meant Decatur.

Interesting that three big endorsements came after their primaries. Edwards, Richardson, and now Byrd. Kerry and Kennedy I think endorsed before Obama lost in Mass. Maybe a little pattern here?

For months now we knew Hillary could not win the pledged delegate count, could win the popular vote if you count MI and FL, and it would come down to the Supers and that's what is going to end this. Byrd could be the beginning and if the rest of them would follow and pick the candidate, like I said before it could end in the next few minutes. It does not have to drag out past tomorrow and Obama could celebrate all he wants. But if only a few announce then it continues another week.

Patsi,

I had a big boss when I worked at the Senseless(Census) that got slammed for calling some women on his staff (clerks) "gorgeous" on more than one occasion. You know it had to have been a habit. One wonders how a guy could have made it to a regional US govt office with that habit.

BTW; Beaner is a popular word here in WA with all the migrants here for the orchards. I heard it in use all the time when we lived inland WA.

Truly, I had buddy named Joe Chief. Not to swift a guy.
Needless to say after I took him to a rednek bar in OK (nearest available beer and pooltable). He was heaping praises on the friendly nature of the joint:

He told me later, everyone was so kind, knew him by name,
"Everytime I turned around someone said, hey Chief you want a beer". LOL

Headline: Barack Obama tells the GOP to stop using his wife. I got some advice for BHO, he's seen nothing yet, they may even use his kids. This is only the beginning. Hillary's attacks will be nothing compared to what' s next. The Horton ad will look like the minor league with what they have in store.

vad, Edwards was the only one who was not endorsing against the will of the people of his state and the only one who is not currently an officeholder. You will note that there is no outcry about those
SDs failing to follow the will of the(ir) people.

Your right each state went to Hillary except NC, and Edwards does not have any say. Interesting!

"Headline: Barack Obama tells the GOP to stop using his wife"

I think it's sweet

"He told me later, everyone was so kind, knew him by name,
"Everytime I turned around someone said, hey Chief you want a beer". LOL"

HA! Ya gotta love a guy like that. There's a little redneck dive out by Fairview, TN....I was in that area with a bass player friend who was originally from Bossier City, LA.....I wanted to stop at that place to get some cigarettes, and he refused to go in with me. Said it was too redneck. I thought I'd die.....& said, "How can anyone from Bossier City be afraid of ANY bar in Tennessee???"

You could say they did their job as SD's. If you agree with their choice or not, you could say they voted for the person who they thought has the best chance of beating McCain. I have no problem with that. The problem I have is their timing of their announcements. I think they should of announced before their primaries and it would of held more weight.

Obama is taking a huge gamble. If there is a video of Michelle ranting against Whities, he is dead in the water. Simply based on his misguided arrogance, I suspect there is a video. And wouldn't it be funny if behind the word blurb featured on Obama's trademark site of FAITHHOPECHANGE, is one reverand Wright, covered up by photoshop?

As for being an expert on foreign policy, listen to his inane exaggeration of Iraq being the cause of ALL THINGS. And this guy has the nerve to blast McCain's understanding of the Middle East?

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/18/barack-obama-foreign-policy-lightweight/

Maybe someone should tell Obama a bit more about Afghanistan. And as I said yesterday, Obama says nothing about Pakistan banning ALL US air strikes while OBL issues more hate and calls for Muslims to kill Arab leaders. Obama was clearly WRONG about his Pakistani predictions and has also SAID NOTHING about what Syria and Iran are doing to Lebanon. If you want to elect such foreign policy disingenuity, "irregardless" of the obvious consequence, by all means....and I do mean, by all means....

vad, Obama is pissed at the TN Rep. party for ads featuring Michelle's "first time in my adult life" comments. His mistake is thinking that the TN Rep. party gives a sh*t about what he thinks, that he can draw a line between Michelle, who made those comments while campigning for him fuhchrissakes just because he thinks that's low class. And this is after his campaign has savaged Bill Clinton because of comments he made while campaigning for HIllary? Does he forget who he's going to be running against? Did he miss the Harold Ford Jr. campaign? Maybe that the independent voters don't like having a spouse criticized for stupid remarks? What in hell is he thinking? Does he know how to spell the word hypocrisy? I suspect that the Republicans will try and teach that to him.

I'm not making a big deal about that, Bri. I'm pointing out the shift in direction from "follow the electorate" and "follow the vote in your district" or else you'll be stealing the nomination from Obama to "vote your own conscience" that has occurred among the Obama voters as SDs have voted against the popular vote in their states and districts. I've always said that the SDs should vote for the candidate they each think is best able to run against the Rep candidate regardless of what voters in their states and districts did - it's why they were created.

The curious thing about the Byrd endorsement of Obama is how long it will take the Coulter's and Ingraham's to remind us of his clan connections.

Will Obama become the candidate of hate because the Nation of Islam and a former KKK have endorsed him?

Do the Republicans roll out their own former KKK and American Nazi Party endorsers to level the playing field?

Harold Ford Jr. should of won his campaign but they ran awful ads against him. BHO better take a good look at what they did to him and be ready for it.

Any idiot should be able to see the backlash you'll get when you are complaining about what you've done to your own opponent.

"Does he forget who he's going to be running against? Did he miss the Harold Ford Jr. campaign? "

Exactly -- the Repubs here are shameless. What all went on against Harold was just sickening.

I've read all of the comments from Clinton supporters saying what Barack should do to be "gentlemanly" and "classy". But my question is this: what should Clinton do in order to show that she's putting the Democratic Party first and herself second?

I felt so bad for Harold, he's one of the good guys, and did not deserve to lose that way. He one of the politicians that will make a difference one of these days.

What is wrong with American media?

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=421

Pew gives us a hint. Take away Obama's wing man and he wouldn't be close to catching Hillary. The opinion of most Americans are quite obvious....

Obama supporters will have some deflective counter, I am sure...

Patsi,

I hate to do this to you but for dinner yesterday, I had that chicken fried steak, garlic mash potatoes and the fried okra. I finished it off with the chocolate cream pie.

Total meal was $7 because the waitress accidentally spilled some gravy on me.

Pogo,

I wonder how the McCain would react if the TN Democrats started running ads about Cindy McCain being a drug stealing, with no jail time and a non income disclosing elitist?

Also, Barack has been accused of being sexist. Do you think Hillary has used race to drive a wedge between Democratic voters? If so, should she apologize as Barack's been asked?

Maybe people in KY, & Oregon will not let the media influence them and get out and vote. Does anybody have any data on their impac in the WVA vote or NC?

Obama walks back the self-coronation. Which is interesting, because you know that if he could have put Hillary away, he would have.

Just back from Paris, will now scan all the fighting in the blog... but first wanted to say hello !!!

Bear, it will indeed be interesting to see how the Republican hate spewers will deal with that issue. I predict Coulter will deal with it in her usual sarcastic manner, and say that she now supports Obama without reservation without ever mentioning Byrd's klan connections from his youth - she'll likely let others make that connection because it can just as easily be turned on its head to support a message of reconciliation and inclusion. It's really a delicate issue because Byrd is not a racist, and his klan connections are pretty understandable in a perverse sort of way considering where he came from and the support he had to have to advance politically in his home county in the southern coalfields. They were certainly wrong - but politically that probably made sense to him at the time. He also, very rightly in my opinion, distanced himself from that affiliation probably 50 or more years ago (and in fact, supported Kennedy, I believe), so it isn't really exactly a hot topic.

Another landmine for thwe flip-flopping Obama

http://blogs.wsj.com/politicalperceptions/2008/05/19/gay-marriage-ruling-helps-mccain-hurts-obama/?mod=WSJBlog

Bonjour ET! Hope you had a fabulous trip!

Bear, I don't know how McCain would react, but I'd like to find out.

vad - my sense here was that the voters didn't respond much to the media - but it's just a gut feeling. Oregon's got a lot more yuppyism than KY, so it's probably hard to generalize.

As much as I agree that the old Bye Bye was offensive on so many levels, I appreciate the honesty and contrition in identifying himself with the new screen name. After all, he could have just started a new name with no reference to the past, and no one would have known. It seems to me that he first came on here playing a silly character as so many do on other blogs, not realizing that we try to keep that stuff to a minimum around here -- but then got stuck in his own typecast and is now trying to honor the spirit of this place. I understand if some cannot forgive, but I am giving it a try.

Posted by: Craig Crawford | May 19, 2008 10:00 AM

Hey Craig, all... Kudos to Mr. Democrat. This showed a lot of class on his part and I thank him, even though we support different candidates. It was a nice "one of the first" posts I read here.

In solidarity,

Tom

BEAR -- " I had that chicken fried steak, garlic mash potatoes and the fried okra. I finished it off with the chocolate cream pie."

Awk! I had a loser lunch yesterday. So....how did you like chicken fried steak????

Obama opens up 16 point lead, but Clinton continues to be better candidate against McCain

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107395/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Opens-16Point-Lead-Biggest-Yet.aspx

Actually, after a little bit of digging (Wiki), I found that Byrd supported HH in 1960, and was a close senate ally of LBJ back then.

Hey Craig, all... Kudos to Mr. Democrat. This showed a lot of class on his part and I thank him, even though we support different candidates. It was a nice "one of the first" posts I read here.

In solidarity,

Tom

Posted by: EuroTom | May 19, 2008 3:40 PM

ET: You are a better man than I. Of course, I am not still floating on a cloud after a long weekend in Paris.

I understand the sentiments Craig, but there is a catch. There still IS the central claim of disingenuity about Obama, that he says one thing but associates with another. He now pivots to the center with flag pin and FaithHopeChange, yet has a record and history that doesn't square with this contrived image.

So forgive me if I find "Mr. Democrat" not only wearing the title for what I see as NeoLIberal, not "Democrat" but playing the same game Obama is. I guess what I am saying that is what is unforgivable is the reflection in what Bye Bye is doing and the name he now sports to what Obama and his supporters have done in the primary. They blasted the Clintons and called them Republican Lites using all sorts of deplorable tactics and special help from media. Now they want to make nice and sport a more mainstream demeanor even having Rice parrot the very comments that Hillary was blasted several weeks ago for making.

If I could stomach this, I could find some "forgiveness", but so far I see the continued Obama Speak leading to bad consequences for the country and for the Democrats. Perhaps Bye Bye should have picked another name, other than insulting those whose views represented the Democratic Party as recently as four years ago. Mr. Democrat? Have fun with that. I find is rather arrogant. It implies his views represent the Party and we all know what Bye Bye had to say.

Sorry, not Mr. Democrat to me.

For GAKaren -- after reading your post I thought of this video. :-)

Tom

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ulb3tZU8vsk

I watch a lot of sports with my husband and son. Do you know what irks me the most while doing so? Those moronic beer commercials that show guys making up dumb excuses to be with their buddies instead of their girlfriends. Don't get me wrong some of those commercials can be entertaining (I enjoy the BudLight commercials in particular) but they speak to a larger issue. They illustrate that shabby treatment of one's wife or girlfriend is perfectly acceptable or worse ... expected.

This type of advertising mirrors our society, I guess. Now this may sound like I'm nitpicking ... but on a certain level I don't think I am. At least my son calls some of the guys in the ads "losers!" I really enjoy it when he does that.

Posted by: GAKaren | May 19, 2008 1:55 PM

And I suppose it is quite okay that media always Obama to blast BushMcCain for taking away our ARAB translators when they could be of critical help in Afghanistan. Does anyone prep Obama before he speaks. He clearly meant this at the time, not just made an unconscious gaffe. I find this much more worrisome than "Sweetie". Ns his runninfg from the Pakistan issue is rather lame as is the daily acts which Iran brings to bare in Lebanon. Perhaps Obama needs to talk to Ahmadinejad before he learns from Iran there obvious meddling in Lebanon, Gaza and Iraq.

And I suppose it is quite okay that media always Obama to blast BushMcCain for taking away our ARAB translators when they could be of critical help in Afghanistan. Does anyone prep Obama before he speaks. He clearly meant this at the time, not just made an unconscious gaffe. I find this much more worrisome than "Sweetie". Ns his runninfg from the Pakistan issue is rather lame as is the daily acts which Iran brings to bare in Lebanon. Perhaps Obama needs to talk to Ahmadinejad before he learns from Iran their obvious meddling in Lebanon, Gaza and Iraq.

My colleagues were discussing reports that Geraldine Ferraro is hinting she may not vote for BO.

I heard it was part of an interview with NY times.

will research..

Thanks Tom. I spent a day in Paris and had the best apricot tort in my life. It was nearly orgasmic.

As for Maxtrue, I have a right to call myself whatever I want. The Democratic Party is a dynamic party, not one that's static like the Republicans. Like it or not, there's a new breeze coming into the party and that breeze is behind Barack Obama. Whereas most Obama supporters not only voted and supported Bill Clinton, we also recognize that you have to evolve.

It's pretty clear that you and a lot of other Clinton supporters are simply not open to the idea that as a party, we have to come together around what unites us rather than what divides us. Revenge doesn't help either of us. Holding onto old grudges (which if you think about it are not that old, just fresh) is non productive.

So I'm again going to try to do this. I'm willing to let go of anything I thought was wrong about the Clinton campaign. I'll remember that I've always like Paul Begala because he was as smarmy against Republicans as they were against Democrats. I won't remember the whole "eggheads and African Americans" remark. Why? Because if I have to sit at a table with either Paul or Ann Coulter, I've got Paul's back. He has a lifetime of working for the party. We've just been on different sides for a few months.

Look, I don't know a single person on this list personally. It's just as easy to go elsewhere and talk politics. But the Summer of Love idea made me have one of those "what are we doing?" moments. It's like you've been a puppet for the enemy and didn't realize it until you looked up and saw who was pulling the strings. The Republicans DELIGHT in seeing us fight, dig trenches and lob grenades at each other.

I'll still fight for my candidate, but I'm through lobbing grenades. You guys might not believe it, but I'd still rather have you on my side of the wall than the guys who love big oil, the rich and reckless world views.

Patsi,

A good chicken fried steak is a once a month treat...or else I will be fat and unable to move my fingers to work a keyboard...it was tasty...if you are trying to stretch a dollar, nothing beats getting a steak that is the size of a small pizza...lol

Sorry for the double post. Here is also somthing unforgivable. WAPO knows this story has been vetting and Hillary did not defend the Black Panthers. The did not correct the story. Still, the radicals try and tar Hillary while Chicago papers refuse to correct stories that claim the Weatherman killed and injured NO ONE. Funny that Ayers contributed as a writer to the Tribune. This is more of the media and Far Left attack on Hillary with WAPO helping to lend weight.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/18/AR2008051802101.html

60's radical rally for Obama and attack Hillary with media airing false reporting. Shall I accept this as typical of Democrats?

Funny during the start of the primary, Hillary was cast as a Goldwater Girl. In any case we can see where Obama's strident support comes in this insance and of course. the Black Panthers have endorsed Obama. Hayden is an Obama fan.

ET: You are a better man than I. Of course, I am not still floating on a cloud after a long weekend in Paris.

Posted by: Ally | May 19, 2008 3:50 PM

Hi Ally, I've always been pretty forgiving until the point of no return. If someone reaches out and apologises I generally give them the benefit of the doubt. I guess I feel we all have the ability of redemption. Of course "the proof is in the pudding", but in a world of increasing conflicts, wars and lack of civility, I feel we all need to try to meet others half way when someone makes the effort. I've been wrong on this before of course, but generally things tend to get better.

Afternoon sweeties! Just kidding. Actually , the waitresses at IHOP like to say that a lot. I always thought it was a "Southern" thing. Sorry Renee , I'm gonna have to root against your Celtics now and maybe in the finals if they beat Detroit and play L.A. Of course , I don't hate Boston like I did the 1980's. I have the Spurs for that now. And finally , go Red Wings! PLEASE!!!

Almost bedtime... I agree with Hillary to hang in there til all the states have voted and then re-assess.

Obama Warns GOP "Lay Off My Wife"
Obama Loses Argument With Wife Over Getting a Dog
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Vote2008/story?id=4881883&page=1

WEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! This interview was right up Obama's ALLEY!!!!
I would have LOVED just one interview with Hillary and Bill relaxed talking about their daughter. I would have loved to hear each of them get to defend themselves or each other about attacks on their character.
JUST ONE!!!!!

Corey, what a card you are!! I thought all those waitress greetings were southern, too, until I moved to NH and heard them there, too.

bowwow - here's the Times article that suggests that Ferraro may not vote for Obama.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/19/us/politics/19women.html?partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all

See y'all.

Corey...
that's understandable..... let's shake hands..... may the best team win.....
GO CELTICS!

IMO..... when the press makes a big deal about Obama saying "sweetie"..... it must be because they're bored..... of course..... that's probably why watching the news has become so boring for so many......

Lardass..... my Red Sox and your Royals are squaring off for a 4 game series...... GO RED SOX!

"But the Summer of Love idea made me have one of those "what are we doing?" moments. It's like you've been a puppet for the enemy and didn't realize it until you looked up and saw who was pulling the strings. "

Oh puh-leeze. I've heard better lines of crap from women relating their husbands' explanations for knocking them around. You posted some of the most evil and anti-Democratic party stuff on here that I've ever heard. So don't give us any lectures.

The Chickens Have Come Home to Roost

The Obama Campaign is beginning to self destruct before it even gets started. The chickens have indeed come home to roost for the radical left daily kos moveon.org mentality. They were bent on supporting Obama hell or high water; they totally ignored the fact that Senator Clinton was a far superior candidate.

The stupid radical left refused to forgive Hillary for her vote on the Iraq War, which contributed and allowed Obama to gain traction and win the Iowa Caucus and eventually on toward the nomination.

It had just been one sexist misogynist road trip to the nomination for Obama and all this false racist garbage leveled against Bill and Hillary Clinton simply to hold onto the super-delegates and sway the uncommitted ones to their side and create this mythical canard that if Obama is denied [I love the clever use of the word “denied” designed to create apathy in the African American community] that African Americans will stay home and not vote. The fact is it is not a denial of Obama; it is support of a better candidate, Hillary Clinton.

Obama has been nothing but divisive and subtly sexist from the beginning, make no mistake many woman like me are angry and upset, not only are we not going to vote for Obama, we are ready to bolt the Democratic Party and become Independents. The most significant of this may be Geraldine Ferraro who is angry and disgusted at the castigation from Obama and staff and the Democratic Party in general, she has already signaled that she will not vote for Obama who she justifiably claims is sexist, moreover may actually bolt the party which would be a huge bombshell, a former Democratic Vice President running mate of Walter Mondale would create tidal waves clear across the Democratic empire and have huge significance sending a signal to all dissatisfied Hillary supporters not to vote for Obama. Rumors are rife that Ms Ferraro may actually start Democrats for McCain movement; time will tell if that comes to fruition.

Women that support Hillary and are angry and upset at the treatment she has received need to unite and make our anger known via the vote, we need to flex our muscle to make the radical left sexists know we are to be respected. If we have to sacrifice for years with McCain so be it. It may indeed be better with McCain than on the job training with Obama cure for everything is tax increase just what an ailing economy needs and increase in taxes. Obama reminds one of the old wild west days of the traveling salesman, hey one and all are you sick, headache castor oil, constipated castor oil, the flu, castor oil, chicken pox, castor oil, allergy castor oil, measles, castor oil, only with Obama its taxes.

Another storm on the horizon looms for Obama a growing threat Mayor Bloomberg may not be far off endorsing Obama, if those two things come to pass Obama will not be able to hold New York, both Ferraro and Bloomberg are much beloved in New York and have considerable influence in New York.

The Chickens have come Home to Roost! Caveat Emptor.

--Heather

Patsi,

You seemed to have been hurt in your life by either someone you love and have never gotten over it. I don't know if I remind you of that person, but I'm not that person. I've had bitter arguments with people that I know who've been more open than you about moving forward at the least. But when confronted with a person you don't even know, you've seemingly condemned me to some place where all slights against you reside and I'm responsible for. Sorry, but I can take responsibility for all of my Bye Bye Billary remarks, but I'm not going to take responsibility for anything that you're attributing to me that's not about me.

PS
Typo I meant to type Bloomberg not far off endorsing McCain

-Heather

Back home for a few minutes.

Chelsea Clinton made a surprise noon visit to a restaurant in Keizer (really part of Salem) She was very charming and spent time with each person in the restaurant. She made a special point to walk over and talk with the kitchen staff who couldn't leave their station.

I really admire the children of the candidates who get out there and work on behalf of their parents.

Today while we held the big Hillary signs, voters kept holding up their election envelopes. I finally figured out that a drop off site was just a few blocks away. The mail in system is very good because you can stillhand deliver your ballot if you with.

I will deliver my ballot for Hillary Tuesday..

Be nice to each other everybody!

"You seemed to have been hurt in your life by either someone you love and have never gotten over it. "

Oh, hilarious. When in doubt, try to shrink someone. However, I have worked with some battered women, so I do have some knowledge of abusive people.

Patsi,

Then why are you trying to shrink me?

Corey...Don Cherry said the Red Wings will win tonight, "...too much firepower...". I will be glued to the TV set. I am scared.

shrink.....

one pill makes you larger and one pill makes you small....
and the one that mother gives you..... doesn't do anything at all.....

I ain't buying into "it" either.....

Hi Dex!

The media has been behind Obama! I fear that if he wins then McCain will win in November! Obama can't carry OH, WV, PA or FL.

rian don't you find it difficult to type with a "cucumber" in your mouth, how can you see the keyboard

"This one's to take you up...this one's to take you down." - Robbie Williams

Can we go back to being nice????

NIck, as a personal favor to Craig, I felt there should at least be a hypothetical path available I can offer is good faith. I cannot exclude the possbile however unlikely. For instance, if Obama gave an interview to Fox and recanted his false history and explained why he was forced into such a path to begin with, I would give him a lot of points. He could completely replace his foreign policy team as Reagan did his second term and reject many assocations he used to advance his career. He could call Pelosi Sweetie and have Michelle apologize for her past comments. He could swear he will not advance Patrick's career and place Liberman as our Iranian envoy. Hell he could pick Powel to Run and advocate the deal Reagan offered to Ford.

He would never do this, but it is theoretically possible. I think a dvorce from Michelle is more likely than what I described. The idea that some here think this is about THEIR petty games and campaign tactics is funny. They do not see how insulting this is. It was never about tactics, but about the substance which they concealed with media help and their tactics.

Again, the audacity of Bye Bye is par with Obama's campaign. A humbler username would have shown some class, which is obviously lacking in many Obama supporters. Mr. NeoLIberal would be more like it, or BuyThisFiction even better. I'm surpirsed Bye Bye didn't just go with FaithHopeChange.

So Nick, you think Wright was behind that word blurb?....LOL

I think it was easy to write 3 nice things about Obama and Hillary. It would be quite hard if the assignment was for every poster to write for 3 nice things about each other.

I think it was easy to write 3 nice things about Obama and Hillary. It would be quite hard if the assignment was for every poster to write 3 nice things about each other.

LOL That Arabic is not the language of Afghanistan....but I AM NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AND THAT WAS NOT THE KIND OF GAFFE OBAMA MADE. At least I was factually correct...LOL

Just to not the mistake in my earlier long post.

And I caught it not my staffer...

Wait. You all throwing stones are doing so as you CONTINUE to take personal, petty and intellectually dishonest shots at Obama and Obama supporters. As for the the knife comments, how many of you have heard of metaphors? Wow, I can take folks being mad at the Bye Bye comments. But don't come to me holier than thou as though you're not still engaging in some of the same behavior. At least I said I'd stop, apologize (which was not coerced by anyone by the way) and then try to meet people halfway. What type of people are you guys? Seriously? It's almost like you want to hold onto Bye Bye as some sort of bogieman because it's more comforting. I've seen EuroTom come halfway and that's about it. The rest of you have put your feet in cement and have decide that "hrummph" I don't care! Well you know, maybe some of you should take a look in the mirror and see if you have faults that you can change, and then admit them here.

Just to be clear on my earlier remarks,

He is so focused on running on Iraq he fails to grasp that Arabic is not the language of Afghanistan. Obama claimed that our invasion of Iraq has caused a shortage of Arabic translators in Afghanistan. He is so set on being NOT BUSH, he can't come up with a single item Bush did right regarding Iran despite the NIE staring him in the face. The NIE concluded that Bush led sanctions forced Iran to {slow} the weaponization program. I say slow because A. the IC hasn't a clue where Iran is making their carbon based p-2 centrifuges, B. enrichment is part of ANY weapon program and C. the NIE concludes that despite the high probability they have stopped their most dangerous programs, Iran could still make a nuke because NOTHING can be certain. Did any of you catch this absurdity in the NIE Report? And recently, the very group that uncovered the Iranian nuclear program has identified a new Nuke Warhead facility conplete with quarters for NK scientist. Iran refuses to let the IAEA inspect it. Of course most experts DO believe that our invasion DID make Iran reconsider their program and Europeans ARE advocating we continue with sanctions despite Obama's spin that Europe stands behind HIS approach and should wait until Obama talks to Ahmdinejad one on one to clairify the Iranian position...LOL

I am glad so many concur with the rather obvious insult Bye Bye intended with his pick of a name. Another slap that can only harm Obama's chances more than Obama has harmed them himself.

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Jamie, you're a sell out! Patsi, you're delusional. All of you Clintonites are going to be so depressed after your lying candidate has to drop out of the race. When you ask? After she gets her behind kicked in North Carolina and Indiana. Why can't you just face it? She's a terrible candidate who ran a terrible race. She has man issues (Bubba and Mark Penn) and can't tell the truth to save her life (still dodging them there bullets in Bosnia). Ah, it's so nice to watch her campaign go down in flames. The arrogance. The entitlement. The gender pandering. The racism. All came back like a karmic boomerang on her ass. Maybe she can have some more whiskey shooters to salve the wound of losing to Barack. LOL

Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 7:51 AM

Just saw a pix of P Agar. . . maybe baby cakes, but not sweetie.

Don't mind being called hon,as long as it's from someone named Flo and she's got a beehive.

ROFL

where was all the traction on the Huckster remark/fantasy/veiled threat?

Also, Barack has been accused of being sexist. Do you think Hillary has used race to drive a wedge between Democratic voters? If so, should she apologize as Barack's been asked?

Posted by: Mr. Democrat | May 19, 2008 3:28 PM

We love Mr. Democrat

Obama Freakout Over Michelle Video: The Ticking “Whitey” Time Bomb

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/19/obama-freakout-over-michelle-video-the-ticking-whitey-time-bomb/

Oh, where did it all go wrong? Mark Penn? Mismanagement of campaign funds? Thinking that the race would be over in February? Bosniagate? Chronic liagra disease? Come on, you've got to think that Bill has been going to these small towns and getting numbers from the local townies. He's got to be anxious for Hillary to stop being high profile so he can make a "return visit", if you know what I mean.

Don't be sad Clintonites. I'm sure Billary will figure out a place to use all of that "35 years of experience". LOL

Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 25, 2008 10:18 AM

Craig, maybe I should have come on here with a new name and never mentioned the whole Bye Bye thing. I thought that the people on here would take my message in the spirit it was given. Apparently not. I was fooled by the sentiment of the day and instead got burned. So be it. Such is life.

ET: Thanks for the video link. It was very entertaining!

Guys: Remember yesterday's Summer of Love and all the good vibes ... let's not start killing and maiming again. Seriously, we can make our points without bloodshed ... I think.

this song makes me think of OBAMA . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTUlZktrH2k

Bye Bye, I have tried to present factual evidence. For instance, Obama called his own mother "conservative" in an effort to pander to white rural voters. Wasn't that a lie? Obama supporters call that a personal attack. If you find Obama stating our invasion of Iraq has prevented needed Arabic translators in Afghanistan, as true, then prove Afghanis speak Arabic.

I find it incredible that Obama supporters call vetting, lies and lies the truth. When the obvious reason Obama attacked Wright was because Wright attacked Obama's credibility not the actual statements, Obama supporters deflected. Even today, the 60s radicals that support Obama bring up lies about Hillary defending the Black Panthers. She did not defend them. Got that? Did WAPO correct their story? PEW says Americans are tired of the Press anointing Obama. Or is PEW lying too?

Did Obama suggest nuking Iran in 2004?

You see when Hillary supporters post the factual record we get slammed for making mean, personal attacks.

Your calling MY behavior similar to yours is another lie. Did Obama call Moss a great Reverend? But didn't Moss defend Wright's comments which Obama denounced? You seem to equate vetting of contradiction akin to sticking the knife in Hillary or comparing Clinton to Nixon. The Clinton's racists? You, a real Democrat? Lieberman is more of a Democrat.

You don't get it because you apply moral equivalency to apples and oranges, much the same way Obama's foreign policy team does. Power was a perfect example. Obama, the real creator of universal healthcare? Obama the one who will get OBL? You said yourself, yesterday we shouldn’t be so hard on Obama because we don't know what he will do until after he is elected. What nonsense is that? I'm sure Israel, the Sunnis in Lebanon and the Africans in Darfur just love that spin.

And when we blast Obama for wanting to raise the capital gains tax despite the evidence that this will lower revenue seriously, we are then called Republicans while Obama is free to pretend he is some kind of JFK. Why, because he cut a deal with Teddy and lifts JFK's words while emulating little of JFK?

Where the hell has Hillary done this? Had she done what Obama has done, the Press would have had her quartered and burned.

So spare me of your games of equivalency. That is exactly not how to bring Hillary supports back to the dysfunctional home. The first step in any addiction is to admit the addiction. Then would YOU would have to start taking a sober look at the record, the history, the policies put forward by your candidate and stop pretending that somehow YOU represent Democrats and that Obama is the centrist he now pretends. You only remind all that Obama said arrogantly an attack on him was an attack on the American people and their desire to elect him so HE can bring the change they hope for. What an incredible piece of Bullshit. This isn't personal Bye Bye, this is about the same kind of Bush Bullshit that left unvetted brought us the last eight years. Different labels but the same strategy.

Show me the beef and stop calling vetting, personal attacks. Do you really think Obama didn't know Rezko was being indicted when Obama got his help via Auchi's money to purchase his home? Obama should at least be honest and explain what we all know was true. Instead, he pretends he was ignorant. That is the real crime, his pretending. His pretending he didn't hear very nasty things from Wright. It is not so much what Wright even said, but the fools Obama takes us for.

Correct this problem and you’re on to something.

elections and prognosis:

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/issuecartoons/2008/05/26/cartoons_20080519?slide=4#showHeader

Bear said the following."Patsi,

I hate to do this to you but for dinner yesterday, I had that chicken fried steak, garlic mash potatoes and the fried okra. I finished it off with the chocolate cream pie.

Total meal was $7 because the waitress accidentally spilled some gravy on me."

So Bear, where is this restaurant in Ft Worth?

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Hey
Mr D

For an Obama troll you can be very funny.

Yesterday
you were at the
"please forgiveme" stage

Today
wehave
Tada!!!!!
"Bitch, see if I care, you can't live without me, you'll be back. After all I've done for you? You had better think about what your saying, you'll want me back.
I won't be there. Think about it bitch."

"I'm gonna take my marbles and go home"

"I mean it"

Stomp , Stomp, Stomp

Hey
Yesterday we had the stages of grief.

How many stages?

For leaving an abusive relationship?

2,3,5,8 or forever?

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

I rather doubt told you to use the name Mr. Democrat. That was your arrogance, not our being unfair. Even Obama would have seen the fooly in that tactic. Come back with a different name and debate facts. That would be a start. I am not angry at outcomes, I am just angry that outcomes don't center around ration discourse over empiriical evidence. Make your case, not cheerlead or deflect. I told you Malley was trouble but Obama only moved to kick him out after Hamas became a hot issue, not because of inherent problems with Malley's thinking. Same is true for Power.

To others I suspect that Obama's response in SD was a bad move because it looked like Obama knew that ws his weakness. And again, I think Gordo shows that Obama's comments today is an effort to pre-empt another weakness.

Perhaps policy reconsiderations and a bit more honesty might thwart these time bombs. Just some friendly advice given in the spirit of the Summer of Love. Do you agree Mr. Democrat?

" I thought that the people on here would take my message in the spirit it was given."

Uh, it WAS taken in the spirit it was given. You were a phony and we called you on it.

Mr. Democrat...let me offer a simple solution to this problem. Bury the name "Mr. Democrat" and, if you really like this place and are sincere, just come back as someone else in two or three or four days. And don't ever mention Bye Bye Billary again. But this whole drama of whether you will be accepted or not is tedious -- Frankly, I'd rather watch a Dynasty re-run than see how this plays out.

Gordo...I'd be willing to give "noquarterusa" a freakin' quarter if that's all it would take for that website to leave us alone. They've been recycling the same "whitey" rumor with no new facts for going on a week now.

Sorry GORDO...I meant to use all caps when I addressed you in that last post, but forgot.

Max,
I obviously real dumb!

"when Obama got his help via Auchi's money to purchase his home?"-Maxtrue

Please simply explain how this went down and why if Obama got anything of value, from anyone, (rezko, Ayers, Auchi) and did not report it as a gift, he is not being prosecuted by the IRS.

Or did he report it on his 2004,05, 06 taxes. What gives. This should be a simple explanation and not a 2000 word diatribe.

I'll drop this if you explain it. i.e. Auchi gave something to Rezko, who did something , who gave something etc.

pogo

Thanks for the link on Ferraro...

LardassLiberal --------------------

It's about planting "seeds of doubt and fear".

Max,

I know Auchi and Rezko were in biz together, some shady large parcel development. Rezko gets money from Auchi as a part of this biz. Plus mortgage pizza biz to Auchi

Rezko wife buys lot next to Obama house prop, same day Obama buys home. Prop owner says simultaneous two prop deal not required for obama purchase.

Obama later buys part of lot from Rekzo wife for market value.

end of deal.

GORDO...

How bout 50 cents? A buck?

Dooty,

It's the West Side Cafe on Camp Bowie W across from Sutherlands.

The service is too fast, too friendly and food is to die for. Make sure you leave room for desert and get either the apple pie or the chocolate cream pie.

I love how you Clintonites take a liking to Harold Ford, Jr. It's the liberal version of "why can't all blacks be like him" that the conservatives use with Condi and Clarence. He doesn't threaten you. He doesn't have the "arrogance" that Obama has. I mean, the nerve of that black man challenging our white woman. What in the name of Geraldine Ferraro is happening? But Harold, he's so nice. Never seems to have any ambition. He's a nicer version of Obama. Not a meanie. Oh, I get the added bonus of being able to claim that I'm not a racist because I CAN find a black man I like.

Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 25, 2008 10:27 AM

Where's Warren been lately? Did he die in some sort of hideous industrial accident involving a rusting, underinspected catwalk over a large acid vat while out walking the dog? Or am I just letting my imagination run away with me over what his recent absence might mean? I guess there could be other explanations.

Either way, I figured he would have been present and accounted for during "Summer of Love" day. That was right up his alley.

Such a video is in character for Michelle "rip his eyes out" Obama. It's 100% believable.

Bullshit, Ford Jr. actually advocates some ideas I do not agree with. Some of them are not so mainstream Liberal. It was Obama that acted like he was color-blind and such an intellegent an unassuming guy. Didn't you see Carlos last night. "You gotta elect Obama, he;s the whitest black we can give you". Your comment doesn't make sense. Maybe you missed his SD speech.

Many support Ford Jr. however, despite some conservative ideas because he is strong on national defense and security and has a record of saying what he thinks even if it is to support gun rights and religion. You get a sense that he didn't simply BECOME a NeolIberal because that was the cool thing to do. He stuck by his principles and has done so for many years. He didn't like the people on the Left Obama hung out with. How dare a Black man not quote Malcolm X or ask for reparations. Either did Powel.

So you are accusing us of wanting an Uncle Tom, a mindless Zombie, a nice controllable Black person, but that is bullshit and it won't fly. Obama is Left of mainstream Liberal. He makes his closest friends with those he must distance himself. His problem has nothing to do with color. He has to pretend about his past. But you continue to frame you Uncle Tom, Don't dare question a woman BS. Be happy with that.

No Bye Bye, we aren't supposed to like who we vote for or even agree with his policies or record. And God Damn us if we don't toe the line.....

Hey Pug, what stage is this?

Tick, tick, tick. Can you hear it Clintonites? Less than a month before your candidate joins the list of failed Democratic candidates. Go get Billary campaign items. I hear they're going for a nickel on eBay.

Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | May 5, 2008 11:01 PM

harbor -- Verbal abuse is a real thing and Bye Bye was just one who resorted to it all the time. When I use the term abuser, I in no way limit it to someone physically smacking another.

I fact, when I've worked with shelters, I've found that verbal abuse is a far more destructive force. AND the very people who either do it -- or enable it -- are the first to start calling others crazy for pointing it out.

By the way, you can shrink me on the abuse issue even more by buying and reading a novel my sister and I wrote under the name GF Bale back in 1990. They still have a few copies of "If Thoughts Could Kill" kicking around on amazon.com.....

Here's a reader's review of it:

"One of the best books I have ever read, I just couldn't put it down until I had finished the whole book. I have re-read it so many times I have lost count, and never get bored of doing so. The author makes you feel as though you are actually there throughout all the events.
Definately a must for anyone who loves reading."

http://www.amazon.com/If-Thoughts-Could-Kill-Bale/dp/1557733953/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211239475&sr=8-2

Max...that was a retread of a month-old Bye Bye post. No need to have the same heart attack you probably had a month ago. Just a friendly health tip. :)

Pug is just reminding us of all the crap that we all put up with here from Bye Bye...who, by the way, should be played in the movie that's made about this blog by Dwight Yoakam. Remember the AWESOME job he did in "Slingblade" capturing the personality of the abusive boyfriend?

harbor -- Verbal abuse is a real thing and Bye Bye was just one who resorted to it all the time. When I use the term abuser, I in no way limit it to someone physically smacking another.

I fact, when I've worked with shelters, I've found that verbal abuse is a far more destructive force. AND the very people who either do it -- or enable it -- are the first to start calling others crazy for pointing it out.

By the way, you can shrink me on the abuse issue even more by buying and reading a novel my sister and I wrote under the name GF Bale back in 1990. They still have a few copies of "If Thoughts Could Kill" kicking around on amazon.com.....

Here's a reader's review of it:

"One of the best books I have ever read, I just couldn't put it down until I had finished the whole book. I have re-read it so many times I have lost count, and never get bored of doing so. The author makes you feel as though you are actually there throughout all the events.
Definately a must for anyone who loves reading."

http://www.amazon.com/If-Thoughts-Could-Kill-Bale/dp/1557733953/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211239475&sr=8-2

I'm sorry...It's not Pug doing the archive searches. It's Lest We Forget.
My bad.

Bear said, "Dooty,

It's the West Side Cafe on Camp Bowie W across from Sutherlands.

The service is too fast, too friendly and food is to die for. Make sure you leave room for desert and get either the apple pie or the chocolate cream pie.

Thanks Bear, I have eaten breakfast there several times but never lunch or dinner will have to try that.

I have not eaten at Massies on 8th Ave in several years but they used to have the Chicken Fried Steak that was the standard bearer around here. The Cafe on Montgomery toward the museums (north of the freeway) is another place that has pretty good food also.

yo soy Horsedooty!

" Remember the AWESOME job he did in "Slingblade" capturing the personality of the abusive boyfriend?"

Wow....Lard -- I agree, wasn't Dwight amazing!!!???? Garth Brooks says that role -- as played by Dwight -- is what made him want to play a really bad dude in some movie. That's an inspirational performance!

Idiot, nick?

I'm sure it'll be hard for you to believe, but I've been called worse....

Patsi...best two Dwight scenes:

2. The loud electric guitar party he and his buddies threw in the backyard.

1. Him cowering against the wall when the boy threw empty Budweiser cans at him to drive him away!

That was a great movie...for a lot more than the Billy Bob greatness. John Ritter was just fantastic, as was Robert Duvall.

Ritter was one of the few "celebrities" whose death I really almost cried over. He was way, way, too young.

What do you get when a chicken thief attains sobriety?

A sober chicken thief.

a bye bye by any other name would be about the same......not a very big deal in the grand schema things.

Sturgeone...I hope my "salmon" analogy didn't offend you. I know canning factory imagery can't be pleasant for any fish. :)

Lardmann........that's what my parents used to scare me with when i was in school.......the horror........

Nick...here are two examples that I took as inciting some on this blog to remember every slight, every dig, and not forgive...

"That knife he was sticking was into a friend, lets not forget that!"

"Ye shall reap what you sow.
Thus said the blog!"

Heather wrote: "both Ferraro and Bloomberg are much beloved in New York and have considerable influence in New York."

As a New Yorker, I must disagree with this assertion. It just isn't so.

I just read the lead story on the NYTimes, wherein Clinton claims to have won the popular vote. My god...this is getting really sad. I've always thought she was cold, calculating, and desperate, but is it possible she's become utterly unhinged? She will literally have no legacy after this election. It's time for her to step down, support Obama, and begin to unite the party (though, my personal wish would be for her to simply leave).

Lard , Dwight Yoakum also played the villian in the Salma Hayek and Penelope Cruz movie "Bandidas" that I watched yesterday.

Habor, Nick...

You two shouldn't fight over something as transitory as an individual politician. I think you're kindred spirits. I definitely like both of you a lot -- and I'm sure others here do as well.

That's the problem with this online crap. It's all so abstract and detached that people unleash their emotions without considering the totality of the very real human being they are targeting.

People here have thrown around the world "cruel" to describe some of the worst behavior on this site. But honestly, I've seen (and participated in) some pretty shitty interpersonal behavior here -- but very little of which I would categorize as "cruel." Simply trashing a politician that someone else supports, for example, is not "cruel," at least not in my book.

For online "cruelty", I would refer you to the monsters who recently hacked into epilepsy support-group sites and posted fake links to other sites that had flashing lights and sounds designed to induce epileptic seizures for anyone who clicked on them. Now THAT is cruel.

Nothing that's ever been posted here compares. At least nothing that I've seen.

Okay...that's my "Dr. Phil" moment for the day. I'm spent.

Dang it, Lard! Where's my Bible verse!?!

"The Canning Factory is going to get you if you dont practise your scales........"

Harbor...hah!

The "Reverend Lardass Radio Bible Hour" was a one-day phenom! Sorry!

Sturg...I would also define "CRUEL" as linking you to any websites featuring Charlie the Tuna.

Clinton 16,691,639
Obama 16,648,060

(includes MI & FL)

http://abcnews.go.com/politics

Really, Lard...

I'm so slow to anger that I'm pretty sure you can't find an instance of my calling another poster a name. And, when you guys start slinging too much mud for little old me, I just retreat to a safe distance...where flying debris just can't reach. That doesn't mean I don't get angry...I do...I just usually try to think things through before responding in anger.

I'm in a bit of a silly mood tonight, so I'm just responding with whatever comes to mind...but not in anger. I only know a few people on this blog. The rest of you are cyber-people for now. So I try not to get too bent about anything you say.

Patsi...I'll try to get a copy of your book and read it. I worked in juvenile corrections for several decades, and know lots of kids who were abused. In fact, I'm the aunt of three...who were adopted by my sister. I think the difference between us may be simply one of personality. I react slowly...as a rule. The one time my first husband grabbed me by the shoulders in anger and started to shake me, though, I was out the door (barefoot in the snow in Des Moines, IA) so fast it shocked even me. Still, it was for him an abusive moment...not a pattern. He never touched me in anger again. Anyway, I'll read your book and try looking through your eyes.

Charlie the Tuna was such a ham.......that commercial was the only decent gig he ever got..

Oh sure Corey...you watched "Bandidas" for the incredible Dwight Yoakam performance. Not for the Penelope/Selma cheescake. Just like I read Playboy for its great coverage of the Iraq war.
(Just teasing. Goes back to my Biblical "lust" post for you yesterday!)

Lard...

I'm gonna miss the "Rev. Lardass Radio Bible Hour". You were spectacular!

"Ritter was one of the few "celebrities" whose death I really almost cried over. He was way, way, too young."

Yes....same here. And he's played some powerful dramatic roles, considering he made his name as a comic in so many roles.

Plus, I had a HUGE crush on his dad!

Corey...or anyone else...watching Spurs-Hornets Game 7 tonight?
Starts in about 20 minutes. Should be pretty awesome.

Harbor...believe me, when I think of you I think the phrase "self-actualized adult human being" who doesn't much get caught up in cyber-drama. So I know I'd lose that bet!

tex and john
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTmA-8839x8&feature=related

Thank you, Lard! Would love to take credit, but having a kid with autism will bring out the adult in you like nobody's business!

Harbor...some of your posts on that subject, along with similar posts by others here in the same parenting position, are what prompt my profound respect.

Rez, if that is your story, then you obviously didn't read the facts. Maybe the totally absurdity of Rezko's Wife buying the small plot for no apparent reason should cast some doubt on your story. I will let Gordo quote the credible sources, but the facts remain that both purchases happened at the same time.

If you buy your story, I have a plot of land to sell you too.

Here is some info to consider,

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/obama_rezko_purchase.php

And it shold be noted that the Rezkos were in financial trouble and that Obama knew that Auchi was the source of Rezko loans. The Rita diversion is made clear above. The simlutaneous purchase as well as the lack of credible evidence for the other small lot bid makes the face value of the story rather dubious.

"Anyway, I'll read your book and try looking through your eyes. "

Now harbor -- keep in mind that the book is fiction....and about a shelter counselor who happens to be psychic, and starts to murder the abusers with her mind!

I personally have never been involved in a physically abusive relationship. I only came close once. And it wasn't with my husband but a man I was engaged to. I did what any thinking liberal Democratic woman would do under the circumstances. I picked up my rifle and told him he was as good as dead if he wasn't gone by the count of three.

And by God, I kept the Willie Nelson concert tickets.

Patsi

Just for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKLvKZ6nIiA

Patsi...

Did you know John Ritter's mom? I met her once on a plane...long after Tex had died...and had a great conversation with her about her son who has cerebral palsy. At the time, I worked for United Cerebral Palsy.

I had written a Harlequin romance (you may all stop laughing right now!) that was loosely based on my notion of what the Gatlin Brothers would be like. I had a big crush on Rudy...probably because he was the only one who was still single.) She promised to introduce me to them, but she never did....

Patsi: In reading posts since I had to leave earlier today, I ran across your excellent post about verbal abuse. It's been my observation that many people do not recognize the damage that can be caused by verbal abuse -- like physical abuse it can be carried forward from generation to generation and the perpetrator is often astonishingly ignorant about the harm being inflicted. One benefit of the 24-hour news cycle, cable TV, and the daytime talk shows is that I think we are all gradually becoming more aware of the lasting damage that can be inflicted by bullying tactics ... whether from a parent, a friend, or a significant other.

Dang -- I can't get YOuTube....freezes my computer....

Lard, such an achor is the sea of chaos. I can go eat now. Yeah, I didn't see Lest We Forget had me forgetting it was a re-post. Still I enjoyed the pointless barb. Christ, you guys are instilling some distemper...... . Dwight is cool.I

I love the Obama line that disclosing the Rezko mansion deal didn't seem "revelant", but giving some Rezko money back did...LOL And the Rezkos did nothing with the lot but sell to to their lawyer?

DO I smell Bass or Cod?

Damn. Game's on!

Go Spurs! (Even though Chris Paul is totally amazing for the Hornets!)

See you later folks!

Patsi...

In my mind, your book was a treatise on abusers and abusive relationships. Will read it with an entirely different take now that I know it's a work of fiction....

But, really...all any book is...whether fiction or non...is that author's opinion on the subject. I find that thought very comforting with some books I read...and this comment bears no relationship to any comments I've made about reading your book!

Red Wings: 3 Stars: 0 1st period

Patsi...

Oops! I lied. I was already working in juvenile corrections when I meet John Ritter's mom (I can't recall her name). I had worked for United Cerebral Palsy several years earlier.

Read a article by Larisa Alexandrovna on Bush comparing Democrats to Nazi Appeasers.

"Well Mr. Bush, the only thing this comment lacked was a mirror and some historical facts. You want to discuss the crimes of Nazis against my family and millions of other families in Europe during World War II? Let me revive a favorite phrase of yours: Bring. It. On!

The All-American Nazi

Your family's fortune is built on the bones of the very people butchered by the Nazis, my family and the families of those in the Knesset who applauded you today:"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larisa-alexandrovna/all-the-presidents-nazis_b_102022.html

Yeah I know, it's the Huffington Post.

Hate the Spurs , Sorry Lard.

So Max, I pointed out the same day sale.

"Obama knew that Auchi was the source of Rezko loans"
Bullshit, where's that stated?

From you link;

"There is no sure evidence that the house deal was worse than bone-headed. Not that the question has been put to rest. A number of unanswered questions remain.

For instance, it's unclear whether Rezko was actually doing a favor for Obama: whether Obama could not have bought the house otherwise or whether Obama derived a financial benefit from Rezko's involvement in the deal. The main suspicion has been that Rezko's purchase of the side yard at the seller's asking price allowed Obama's purchase of the house to go through since the seller insisted on closing both properties on the same day. But both Obama and Rezko have said that someone else had bid on the side yard, raising the bidding to the asking price. If that's the case, then Obama could have bought the house without Rezko's involvement.

And then there's the other big question, whether Obama ever did anything for Rezko in return for his purchase of the side yard or all those contributions. Obama has said that Rezko "never asked me for anything" and "I’ve never done any favors for him.” No substantial evidence has surfaced to contradict that claim."

Where's the illegality in any of this?

Contribution? Nothing improper. The Clinton has much more illegal contribution baggage than Obama.

I thought you were only going to argue facts and no allegations, innuendo and insinuations!
Lasted 12hours. LOL

Max: I suspect that there is a great deal more to the Rezko angle than we yet know. It is not something the Clintons could have brought up, but someone will sooner or later.
One of my chief problems with Sen Obama is that his record seems no more free of questionable deals and tactics than any other politician, and yet he positions himself as a nonpolitician.

Hey
Look at this.

Do you need help to repair your abusive relationship?

http://www.recovery-man.com/abusive/abusive.htm
A few tidbits
"These relationships cannot be changed from one side, it takes mutual honesty, openness and willingness from both parties to work through these issues. Group therapy is highly recommended for abusers, as it helps them to break through the denial that is generally a part of the abusive patterns. (People in denial generally recognize their own dysfunctional behavior in others more easily than in themselves.) "

"If the abuser is unwilling to own their behavior and seek help the prudent course of action is to remove yourself totally from the situation. This is painful, but is generally safer and ultimately better for both parties than allowing the cycle of abuse to continue. Be prepared for the abuse to increase after you leave - stepping out of the cycle enrages the abuser, as it shatters their illusion of control"

"These relationships cannot be changed from one side. Remember that by staying you are condoning and enabling the abuse - and helping your partner to stay sick. If your partner is unwilling to get help the only safe course of action is to totally remove yourself from the situation and seek help on your own."

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

LardassLiberal --------------------
It's about planting "seeds of doubt and fear".
Posted by: GORDO | May 19, 2008 7:04 PM

Is that what you, Max and others in your group are all about. How much does McCain pay you guys?

I bet not much since gramps is not the very flush!

Rezdog: A careful reading of the numerous articles in Chicago newspapers vis a vis Rezko's relationship with Sen Obama does reveal that Sen Obama has written at least two letters to Illinois public agencies in support of Rezko. Sen Obama has stated that these letter are no more than what any legislator would do for any constituent. Others are not so certain.
The fact that Sen Obama appears to have no paper trail from his time as a State Senator makes it difficult to determine the details of the relationship. We do know, however, that it certainly amounted to more than the five hours of legal work Sen Obama claimed in that infamous debate, wherein he attacked Sen Clinton for being on the board of Wal-Mart two days after his own wife had resigned from the board of a company whose chief customer was Wal-Mart.
No one is suggesting that Sen Obama is corrupt -- at least I am not -- only that he is not the paragon of wisdom and good judgment he believes himself to be.

Rezdog: Surely you do not mean to seriously suggest that a person cannot honestly support Sen McCain? It's very difficult to have a straightforward political discussion with someone who disdains one's point of view entirely.

Maggisd,

"has written at least two letters to Illinois public agencies in support of Rezko."- Maggisd

From the Muckracker article.

(The Chicago Sun-Times did dig up letters from Obama in 1998, some seven years before the house sale, urging Illinois and Chicago officials to provide funding for a Rezko company to build apartments for senior citizens, but both Obama and Rezko denied that Rezko had asked Obama to write the letters, and there's no evidence to the contrary.)

"I had written a Harlequin romance (you may all stop laughing right now!) that was loosely based on my notion of what the Gatlin Brothers would be like. I had a big crush on Rudy...probably because he was the only one who was still single.) She promised to introduce me to them, but she never did...."

harbor -- Good for you! To write the number of pages it takes to make a book is daunting. (Unless you are Max....)

I'm sorry to say I never met Tex or his wife. I only developed a crush on Tex after he was long dead and Ralph Emery told me some wonderful stories. (I once told Ralph that every tIme we worked on a book I fell in love with another dead man -- Tex Ritter, Marty Robbins, Carl Perkins)

I have huge respect for the Ritters and both their sons.

Rez...

How 'bout our horse? Go, Big Brown! Think he'll win the Triple Crown? My fingers are crossed. He sure looks like he could be the one!

Maggisd,

Max and Gordo have been bringing up the Rezko-Obama house connection for over 4 months, always insinuating something sinister. And i've been calling them on it just as above. still it pours. You tell me!

Show me the money and QpQ and I'll be the first to say you're right, he's wrong for taking bribes or worse.

This is what was referred to on Dan"s show:

"Karl Rove’s Maps PROVE Hillary Can Beat McCain, but Guess Who Can’t"

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/19/karl-roves-maps-prove-hillary-can-beat-mccain-but-guess-who-cant/

The fact remains that Obama will lose to Mccain, he can't win in swing states (OH, FL, PA & WV).

HW,

I think he's the real deal for the crown. He seems to be fast and a router. I heard there's a good horse that's coming in from Japan. We'll see.

Rezdog: It is now an established fact that Sen Obama's relationship with Rezko went back approximately 20 years. I do not intend to suggest that Sen Obama is any more corrupt than your average politician. What does bother me is that he has built his career on insisting that his opponents open up files and provide all sorts of information while asserting that he cannot do the same because, unfortunately, he just didn't keep any of his papers.

So, he has no papers from his State Senate career, he had no idea that Rezko was a man with questionable associations, he never heard Rev Wright make statements that would have caused him to leave TUCC (as Oprah did), he has no problem with Wm Ayers because all his criminal activities happened 40 years ago, etc, etc. Does this make Sen Obama a bad man? No...it just makes him a politician with a gift for rhetoric and judgment no better than anyone else.

It's all about Ohio

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/ohio/election_2008_ohio_presidential_election

may I ask what "rezdog" means? I've been curious for some time now.........

Rezdog: If the house deal was evidence of a corrupt deal, I don't see it. IMHO it was evidence of a relationship that was far closer than Sen Obama has been willing to admit. On the face of it, Sen Obama wanted that house and he also wanted that small strip of land so he could access his home and make it private from the street. He couldn't afford both properties. He brought his close friend along to see it and a favor was done for a friend.
My concern is not the deal, it is the relationship.

Buckeye Bob: We cannot really predict the future based on what we now know, but I just don't see how Sen Obama can get there from here. Particularly as general election votes are not weighted as primary votes are, it seems to me that he stands to do relatively less well in the GE than in the primaries in most large "swing" states.

"best two Dwight scenes:
2. The loud electric guitar party he and his buddies threw in the backyard.
1. Him cowering against the wall when the boy threw empty Budweiser cans at him to drive him away!"

Lard -- Yes, yes! -- now I have to rent that movie again!

maggisd,

Fine! And McCain had to recently release 5 TOP campaign aids because of dubious lobbying connections, including some with crazy dictators of Saddam's calibre. And when called on his association with these people, McCain drags up Ayer trying to compare him with 5 people running his business. Ayers, someone he knew tenuously years ago and served openly on a charity board and who helped with a small donation and fund raiser on his State office run.

I never doubted or was naive about Obama being a politician. A very good one. Ask Bill and Hillary.

Patsi

Does your computer freeze on Rhapsody (no videos just music)

http://www.rhapsody.com/texritter/conversationwithagun/highnoon

Sturg,

It's an old nickname. The word derives from shortening the word reservation. It helps that I'm American Indian. There's actually more to the story but

If i told you anymore I'd. . .

and lose my anon. and Patsi could then send Junebug and FrenchFry after me. LOL

" Patsi could then send Junebug and FrenchFry after me. LOL"

HA! Yes I could. If I could still find 'em. But we haven't even talked about Sleepy Joe yet.

Thanks, Patsi!

Yes, as you know very well, writing a book is a great deal of work. You've done it how many times now? Each blank page can be its own job interview...over and over and over until somehow the story is told. It was a lot of fun...sometimes I wish I'd continued, as romance writing is a very lucrative field...but I stopped with just the one. It was the thirteenth book in a line launched in the early '80s...Harlequin American Romances. My brush with fame and fortune....

Rez,

Obama himself said he thought Rezko helped out on the plot of land in a purchase he never made a profit on because Rezko thought he might get some Quid pro quo. He was heading to court and I find Obama's remarks somewhat cold.

"Obama has acknowleged, however, that Rezko's likely motivation for buying the lot was to curry favor with him. Rezko reportedly admitted as much to his business associates. And as The New York Times reports today, Rezko was so heavily in debt at the time he purchased the lot that he did it under his wife's name in order to protect it from creditors."

Now we know Auchi had sent Rezko more than 3 million to help bail him out. Given the dire situation Rezko was in and the shell game he was playing with using his wife, is it really a stretch that Obama knew none of this? And given all the help Obama recieved from Rezko, the way he has subsequently has the air of throwing someone under the bus. There is evidence that Obama certainly knew Auchi was a backer of Rezko for years and a number of transactions invloving alot of real estate had come before Obama. The point is that it is fact, Obama knew of the Auchi sources of Rezko monies. He MOST LIKELY KNEW Rezko was in deep shit. Can we rely on Obama to admit he knew Rezko had just recieved the latest installment from Auchi?? Well, at first Obama couldn't even remember he had told Rezko about the property in the first place. He had trouble recollecting that Rezko and Obama together visited the site. Are you really suggesting that a strung out Rezko under indictment did all this for no profit without Obama having a clue of the situation Rezko was in? Who are you kidding?

I never said Obama has done something criminal in this case. It actually seems like Obama got what he wanted and Rezko got nothing using Auchi's money to assist Obama. Maybe he hoped for something he has yet to recieve as he waits for a verdict in his trial. Or maybe Rezko has received quid pro quo, but the record from Chicago has hardly been vetted. Even when asked about this case, Obama gace at least three different answers to simple questions. There are many more questions to answer before any reasonable criteria of "vetting" has been accomplished. We do know the Chicago gutter surpasses even the Wahshington one, and Republicans and Democrats have closed rank on keeping it all quiet.

Or do you disagree?

"t was the thirteenth book in a line launched in the early '80s...Harlequin American Romances. "

harbor -- I'd certainly buy a copy if you'll tell me how!

Craig:

Belated thanks for linking the other Craig..."speak truth to power."

Patsi...

The title is "Raven's Song", and my pen name is Caron Welles. You can only find it online...possibly eBay. It was published in July, 1983, and the shelf life of romance novels is rather short. May new ones come out each month. The good news is that you can probably find it for very little money.

That was supposed to say...MANY new ones come out each month. I checked. There are quite a few available in the used books section on Amazon.

patsi...I had trouble for a long time accessing my online XM Radio subscription, as it skipped, froze, and stopped before three words or notes were played.
After isolating the player on another browser, I was able to hear the programming.
You just may be able to utilize YouTube by doing two very simple things.
1) Empty your cache. if you have forgotten how to do that, just Google "emptying cache". Directions will be there.
2) Disable and /or delete all stored passwords and cookies from your computer. This is very easy to do..just a couple clicks. When I did this, my XM Radio programming began working without isolating the player on another browser.
Just be sure you keep your website passwords in a file.

Feel-good story of the week: Cancer survivor (Lymphoma) Jon Lester pitched a no-hitter Monday against KC at Fenway.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Corey: Thank God it's OVER! Zetterberg's goal was awesome but Draper's goal off his bleeding chin was a true Grinder's goal. Now back home to carve us up some Penguins!!
(Detroit Red Wings eliminate Dallas Stars to advance to Stanley Cup FInals.) Folks, it doesn't get any better in sports than when your team makes it to the Cup...it is a wonderful feeling.

Max,

There is no "real' evidence that Obama knew much about Auchi, his involvement with Rezko, or Rezko's finances. The house deal happened in 1/05 when Rezko was being looked at, but Rezko wasn't indicted until 10/06. IMO, there is no correlation between the two events.

Obviously Rezko was hurting from 2005 on and Auchi bailed him out with a mortgage on the pizza biz. That enabled Rezko to assist Obama. No doubt Rezko embellished his relationship to others and probably thought more of it himself, but people do that and that's not Obama's problem. I may be as gullible as you are suspicious. I would not want you on my jury.

About the only thing on this specific issue that we agree is that Chicago politics and the business world has never been a clean environment.

I'm not going to bring this Rezko assisted house deal up again. We've beat it to death. If you want to insist Rezko is responsible for Obama purchasing his home based upon what we know today, then go ahead. Personally, I just think it goes to your credibility.

hasta manana, going to count some sheep.

Jamie

Earlier you talked about the word police and double negatives (l liked it--yeah, right, I really did!)

The other one that sometimes vexes is ending a sentence with a preposition, you know what I'm speaking of.

In any case Churchill, when challenged about it said "... that's an impertinence that I will up with not put!"

Hey, if anybody out there is a fan of Glenn Beck, please post what would compel people to regard him as a brilliant author ...he just got a huge deal and a 750,000 advance printing of his new book.
I always considered him a Limbaugh sycophant and nothing else.
http://www.observer.com/2008/glenn-beck-signs-huge-new-two-book-deal-simon-schuster

Clinton: ‘This Is Nowhere Near Over’

"Whatever Mr. Obama claims, Mrs. Clinton made it clear she is not buying it.

She warned Mr. Obama or his supporters against claiming the nomination based on winning a majority of pledged delegates or some other yardstick before the final primaries on June 3 and before the fate of the Michigan and Florida delegations are settled.

“I’m going to make my case and I’m going to make it until I’m the nominee and we’re not going to have one today and we’re not going to have one tomorrow and we’re not going to have one the next day,” she said. “And if Kentucky turns out tomorrow, I will be closer to that nomination.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/19/clinton-this-is-nowhere-near-over/

"Flatus you missed my points entirely."

Probably--but then I still have euphoria leftover from yesterday's love fest.

barack seems to think that whining and hollow threats are going to have some effect on the gop attacks upon michelle, (who, with her remarks, has placed herself on the political stage).........this avoids the dukakis label how, exactly?

rotsa ruck.

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