Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

The great Messiah thinks he can win without WV because he is so "different."

He is dropping them like a bad habit!

Woo Hoo! I'm first, I think.

Wow that was a quick switch...

Dear Warren:

This Hillary must withdraw from the race is a media elitist invention and this "scorched earth" term is another media invention, if the Democratic Party cannot withstand Senator Clinton continuing to be active in the race they should fold up their tent and disband their party and go home, they do not deserve to be a party forcing anyone out of the race is undemocratic, I would even defend Obama's right to stay in if it were reversed, besides even Obama stated Hillary should stay in.

--Heather

Craig: your headlines are not in the least bit "objective". I have yet to see any that acknowledge Obama won North Carolina big and for all intents won Indiana -- keeping Clinton to a 2% win there was incredible work.

Indiana was telling Hillary it was time to bring this nomination season to a close.

West Virginia and Kentucky will be tough and Obama does not expect to win them in the primaries. However, he improves his margin by campaigning locally -- witness the Clinton 8.8% win in Pennsylvania -- Obama did not win the state but narrowed the gap significantly.

There are a lot of progressive and pragmatic people in all U.S. states.

It will be interesting to see just how WV and KY (and Oregon and Montana and Puerto Rico) citizens vote.

West Virginia:

Ten generations of cousins marrying.

That's Hillary's base.

Obama losing in the general election by double digits America will feel safer and so will their wallets.

"Craig: your headlines are not in the least bit "objective". I have yet to see any that acknowledge Obama won North Carolina big -- posted by dog hussein dog"

this one didn't do it for ya, dog? -- http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/05/its-north-carolina-stupid.html

[repost]

And to tell ya the truth - I think Hillary Clinton was given the benefit of the doubt much more than any other candidate would have received.

How many times have we heard: Never count out a Clinton.

Even after it became clear that Obama had an insurmountable lead in pledged delegates - which is how the nominee is chosen. And this point was acknowledged quite clearly by the Clinton campaign (at least at the beginning).

Wolfson:

"I guess one other thing I'd add is that, as you know, this is a race for delegates."

"And overall, we have a significant lead among delegates, overall, which, obviously, at the end of the day is what is going to positively determine which Democrat is our party's nominee."

McAuliffe:

"And at the end of the day it's getting a basket of delegates."

ONLY Hillary Clinton could have made the argument that the nominee should be based on the popular vote - instead of the delegates. I honestly do not believe that this argument would have gotten the traction that it did if Senator Obama was making this argument.

I suspect Oregon will go for Obama as well. I lived in the Pacific Northwest and that region seems prime territory for the Obama candidacy. Of course I'd love to see Hillary actually pull a "Dewey Defeats Truman" win there, but I don't see it happening.

So how is that other Axelrod creation doing these days, Deval Patrick? Do you know that was called the "spare Obama" ? Understand why?

dog,

You're not counting the column about five down headlined, "It's North Carolina STupid!" that mentioned the massive NC win and Indiana squeaker?

"I have yet to see any that acknowledge Obama won North Carolina big"

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/05/its-north-carolina-stupid.html

Heather:

You're right. Both Senator Obama and I agree that Hillary should stay in the race.

We have been fighting for months now - and for everyone to all of a sudden thinking that two and a half more weeks of campaigning will be the undoing of the Democratic Party is ludicrous.

Let's finish this thing out - and have all the Super D's make their decision shortly after the last primary election. Case closed.

(But then what would the media talk about? Issues, perhaps?)

Bob Barr is in as a Libertarian. Now if someone really, really doesn't like black people, you now have a candidate.

Heard him speak a couple of times. Once he was even sober. Not a nice person.

Missed that one, Craig! (Was in the Tarheel state that day.) Thanks. Although any mention of Obama winning would have been lovely.

You've featured his name twice recently; both with losing and loss also in headline.

Seemed to me that you turned to VP speculation rather than headline Obama's feats.

Hillary Clinton just announced that she is proud to be a coal miner's daughter.

One day her father was shootin' at some food,
and up from the ground come a bubblin' crude.
(Espresso, that is. Cafe Latte.)
So they loaded up the truck and moved to Wellesley Hills.
Swimming pools. Preppies.

The Chosen One will care in November when he loses the presidency to McBush.

Go ahead, Obama, you and your supporters should just keep pissing people off! You will all need a waaaambulance in November when you blame Obama's crushing defeat on the Clintons.

Great plan, you guys have it all figured out when explaining why Obama will lose, too bad you can't figure out how to win the GE.

A good start would be a conciliatory attitude but that isn't what backing Obama is about. "New" politics and "change" means pissing on solid supportive voting blocs of the Democratic party. Not smart, you behave this way at your own peril.

Cut the "anyone that doesn't like Obama is a racist" crap already. It is tired and it is stupid. Not only that, it is a definite LOSER for the general election. Which is exactly what we will be calling your candidate in November.

Clinton does best in the states where, not too long ago, she could have owned Obama as a slave.

Dear idiot: I am not an idiot. I am someone who believes in fair play.

And the headlines have been atrocious in terms of conveying the facts on the ground.

Whether that is Craig or CQ staff, I do not know. But noticed the trend after Iowa.

And stop hiding behind a name made up for one post.

You are a coward.

"Ten generations of cousins marrying.
That's Hillary's base."

Welcome to the Democratic party of Barack Obama. Blue collar workers, non-college and poor people need not apply. Hard to tell if you are stupiid or just arrogant, Nash. I suspect a bit of both. A not very bright but just as whiny Holden Caufield all grown up.

Heather says "This Hillary must withdraw from the race is a media elitist invention and this "scorched earth" term is another media invention"

Heather, you forgot to remind everyone that Obama is a Media fabrication too.

Barack Obama is quite taken with Oregon ... perhaps too much so http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/barack-obama-do.html#more

Ron Paul's troops quietly take over some local GOP groups
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/04/ronpaul.html

Don't forget Kentucky, nash.

Karen: I don't hear anyone pissing on any voting blocs.

It is you fighting keyboarders here slinging insults back and forth.

Time to put aside the rancor and step outside the foxhole. You will find more allies there than you expect.

(Love it -- my captcha is kkn msm -- which I think most of us should do. Thank God for the internet!)

Patsi
Hillary said the Republican party left her more than she left it (back in college). Maybe that's what the Democratic party is doing to us. At least that's what I keep hearing. They keep saying they don't need Hillary's supporters. That they've built a new coalition.

Patsi: Turnout may be light in WV. On primary day they're having a Burt Reynolds film festival.

Meanwhile, out in Oregon, where Obama will win, they'll be showing post-war Italian neo-realism.

"Smokey & the Bandit" vs "The Bicycle Thief."

pogo: Kentucky stayed in the union when Lincoln said they could keep their slaves. (He lied).

Time to put aside the rancor and step outside the foxhole. You will find more allies there than you expect."

Dog, maybe you should take your own advice.

I just had a delightfully malevolent idea

Mc Cain - Republican
Barr - Libertarian
Obama - Democratic

AND

Clinton/Gore - Green

You gotta admit, it would be fun.

Hillary said the Republican party left her more than she left it (back in college). Maybe that's what the Democratic party is doing to us. At least that's what I keep hearing. They keep saying they don't need Hillary's supporters. That they've built a new coalition.

Posted by: Meg | May 12, 2008 4:06 PM

I never heard that...is the really true? Can you google and provide a link?

Nash: Your elitist rantings sum up very nicely why Democrats haven't won a Presidential election since Bill Clinton. One citizen, one vote. You may not think West Virginians are worthy of participating in the Democratic process but the Constitution, and many of us in the Democratic party, say different.

Really nash - states like OH, PA, NY, MA, CA, or like in AL, MS, GA, SC, NC, LA, VA (which if you'll recall, WV was part of in slavery days and Obama won it)?

Meg, I assure you, I am a non-rancorous person.

Have not been posting or reading as frequently lately because this has become a pretty toxic website.

Also: WHO said Obama does not need Clinton's supporters to win?

That makes no sense to me -- the next president will need a broad base of supporters and must draw independents and moderate Republicans too.

How could Hillary's supporters not be a valuable and valued resource for any candidate?

I think you guys have your own reality and maybe even your own weather pattern in here!

I think you guys have your own reality and maybe even your own weather pattern in here!

Posted by: dog hussein dog | May 12, 2008 4:17 PM

Oh Dog...no way...their just in the mood for some Obamabutt! Things will settle down when the Primary is over and it will get much better after the GE.

Ally: Was Bill Clinton a Democrat? I couldn't tell.
= caved in to industry lobbyists on health care
= welfare "reform" (screw the poor)
= NAFTA (corporate profits up, wages down)
= with his help, Republicans seized control of Congress for the first time since 1932.
Yeah. We need more of that.

nash - with respect to Kentucky - I was referring to the ten generations of cousins marrying. It's kind of like the "toothbrush" joke. WV & KY accuse each other of both - like AL & MS.

reposted from last topic:

Jamie: I tried to have a rational discussion with Clinton supporters for weeks, but all I got was abuse. Now I'm returning the favor.

My criticisms of Hillary are substantive. If you look at a (Democratic) political columnists, my opinions are fairly mainstream. She has fewer and fewer supporters every day. It really is just like the Alamo.

So grab a musket and put on your Davy Crockett hat.

Posted by: nash | May 12, 2008 1:32 PM

Nash that is rich... all you've been doing is making racist charges aimed at ruffling the feathers of Clinton supporters. Really, if you call your insults, racism charges and pedantic behavior "rationality", then you really ARE a sorry example of a representative in higher education. Nash, in SPITE of you, and people like you, I am going to vote Obama. Perhaps you and your other pedantic allies should consider that the "nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah -- I know you are, but what am I?" attitude is simply adding fuel to the split between Clinton and Obama supporters.

You really DO want Hillary supporters to not support Obama, don't you? Your charge that they are Republicans anyway is total fabrication. If Obama wins the nomination (likely) and then loses in November, people like yourself who has continued to fuel the divisions will be able to look in the mirror and say to themselves "Congratulations... YES WE DID".

Posted by: EuroTom | May 12, 2008 3:15 PM

Nick,

There's this little cartoon angel on one shoulder and a little cartoon devil on the other and the cutie with the pitchfork occasionally gives a three pronged goose to the one wearing the white dress.

And this site doesn't ever seem all that "toxic" to me, as you put it.

Donna Brazile cnn: Paul, you're looking at the old coalition. A new Democratic coalition is younger. It is more urban, as well as suburban

pogo: Given your list of states won & lost, I guess Obama can win "socially conservative" white votes. So, is HIllary lying, or just deluded?

Craig,

Maybe all that is part of the New Politics us schlerotic guys just can't get.

We don't get it, man.

So we better get lost... or get with the program... or get a get (Jewish divorce) from a reality that is just too hip for the room.

pogo: We've got that kind of humor in northern Maine.

Q: How do you compliment someone in northern Maine?

A: "Nice tooth."

I think if you are a disheartened Clinton supporter, and you feel the need to vote Democratic in the fall (assuming Obama is the nominee), it might be advisable to avoid political blogs such as Craig's. When I read Nash's comments, I so want to NOT vote for Obama. And yet I want the Dems to win. If the attacks on Hillary and her supporters continue so much in ernest, I am going to have to take a break!

UNITY 2008

Pogo, around here, inbreeding not only makes you smarter, but also meaner. But it looks like some other states have managed to filter out the "smart" gene.

Karen: I don't hear anyone pissing on any voting blocs.

- dog

You might not hear it, but you should try reading this blog more often ... just start with anything Nash posts.

As for the foxhole mentality ... that has been an integral part of the Obama playbook. I.E: Any criticism of Candidate Obama is racially motivated.

EuroTom: so read other commenters. You will find several Obama supporters you can make common ground with.

Enough of the differences; time to focus on working together to save our country.

Reminder:

1) Supreme Court
2) independent Justice Dept -- no political firings of US attorneys
3) Guantanamo Bay
4) torture
5) US role and image in the world
6) the environment
7) green technology
8) providing a good education and future for our chidlren and fellow Americans
9) helping Mexico, Haiti and other Western and Southern hemisphere countries develop their economies and provide opportunities for their citizens
10) putting US innovation to work in developing new products and technologies
11) universal affordable health care for American citizens, with emphasis on preventative measures

Isn't there a LOT we could find in common, rather than quibbling and knashing over every perceived slight?

Lotso work to be done, folks.

And as much as I like John McCain, that agenda is not necessarily his.

ET: Why do you get so upset when someone calls you a racist? Oh. You mean there are "rules," things one should not say in political discussion?

But you can't see why Obama supporters are upset about Hillary's comments about race. You think what she and her surrogates said (over and over again) was OK.

As soon as they started losing, the Clintons turned this campaign into a vile slugfest. So stop whining.

Jamie,
Is there anyone on the planet that Gore hates more than Hillary? Don't look for them in a third party ticket anytime soon.

I do not understand what it is about most of the Obama supporters being so very angry and misinformed. My first experience was at our County convention. I was shocked and frankly a bit frightened by the venom and incorrect talking points they were spewing. Kind of seemed like a bunch of pod people or zombies (mean ones). If this is the "new generation of voters for change and hope, I want no part of it.

I do not understand what it is about most of the Obama supporters being so very angry and misinformed. My first experience was at our County convention. I was shocked and frankly a bit frightened by the venom and incorrect talking points they were spewing. Kind of seemed like a bunch of pod people or zombies (mean ones). If this is the "new generation of voters for change and hope, I want no part of it.

Frank,

I didn't believe there was any hope for it. I just think it would be loads of fun.

Alene, the same thing happened in the Washington caucus. It bordered on scary.

Obama walks on water:
http://media.nationalreview.com/

Alene: I have not met any angry or misinformed Obama supporters. Usually quite the reverse.

Are you a concern troll?

nogrudge: you are quoting National Review? Hello?

Hillary supporters don't like to be called "racist." You don't think you are. If your candidate uses race to win, that's OK. The majority of general election voters are racist, but not her, not you. She's just acknowledging a fact: a black man can't win.

The GOP doesn't have your problem. They KNOW they're racist and they don't care. Karl Rove just laughs when anyone calls him a racist. You can learn from him.

incorrect talking points they were spewing. Kind of seemed like a bunch of pod people or zombies (mean ones). If this is the "new generation of voters for change and hope, I want no part of it.

Posted by: alene

alene, i couldn't agree more.
It is gratifying to see that there is real resistance to Obama on this blog and the canards the MSM are spewing haven't weakened the resolve of the stalwart Hillary supporters. Obama has been a harbinger of calculated divisiveness and this is not the "change" I want for this country either.

toast

,
There are African Americans,Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Arab Americans,Native Americans, etc.And then there are just Americans
Some pass me on the street

and sneer in my direction. .
They Call me "White boy,"

"Cracker," "Honkey,"
"Whitey," "Caveman,"

.....And that's OK.

They have the United Negro College Fund.
They have Hispanic History Month.
They have Martin Luther King Day.
They have Asian History Month.
They have Black History Month.
They have Cesar Chavez Day.
They have Ma'uled Al-Nabi.
They have Yom Hashoah.
They have Kawanza.
They have the NAACP.
And BET.

If we had WET

(White Entertainment Television)

.....We'd be racists.
If we had a White Pride Day
.....You would call us racists.

If we had the White History Month

.....We'd be racist.
We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce,

a Black Chamber of Commerce,

and then we just have the plain

Chamber of Commerce.

Wonder who pays for that?

If we had a college fund that only gave

white students scholarships

.....You know we'd be racists.
There are over 60 openly-proclaimed

Black-only Colleges in the US,

yet if there were "White-only Colleges"

.....THAT would be a racist college.

In the Million-Man March,

you believed that you were

marching for your race and rights.

If we marched for our race and rights,

.....You would call us racists.

You are proud to be black,

brown, yellow and red,

and you're not afraid to announce it.

But when we announce our white pride

.....You call us racists.

You rob us,

carjack us,

and shoot at us.

But, when a white police officer

shoots a black gang member

or beats up a black drug-dealer

who is running from the LAW and

posing a threat to ALL of society

.....You call him a racist.

I am proud.

.....But, you call me a racist.

Why is it that only

whites

can be racists?

"If this is the "new generation of voters for change and hope, I want no part of it."

Alene, I agree.

"If this is the "new generation of voters for change and hope, I want no part of it."

Alene, I agree.

Craig, "why is he campaigning hard in Oregon?"

I would go one step further, why is Obama campaigning at all at this point, since he, his team & his media contingent, have essentially called it for him--there should be no reason to bother at all.

just flies in the face of your accusation, nash - he's won more of the slave states that won't vote dem in Nov. as they say, BFD.

The joke I meant - The toothbrush was invented in WV [or ME, AL, MS, KY, etc.]. If it had been invented anywhere else, it would be the teethbrush.

'bye, all. back manana.

OK painter/ruth: so there is work to be done in building bridges over the next few months.

Thank you for letting us know where you are coming from; it was a very honest post.

Perhaps Obama's presumptive candidacy will lead to some long-needed discussions among all of us.

And no calling each other racists or elitists allowed on this blog.

It is not productive and obstructs the concern under discussion and is polarizing.

Dear Craig,

Watched you on Morning Joe and I congratulate you for standing on your principles and logic to reply back to Chris "Obama" Matthews. It is incredible that one cannot talk about race-Matthews was "creaming" with Obama's Penn. speach talking about race, but one cannot bring it up if it hurts his candidate. You gave it to him as best you could and still appear on MSNBC, in saying you are trying to portray both sides. Why doesn't anyone bring up Obama making a speech about the makeup of the prison population among blacks or one parent families. He should pick Bill Cosby as his VP mate, at least someone and something might be done about a problem that Chris "Obama" Matthews will never touch, nor will Obama. Keep up the great commentary.

m

The more I learn about Obama (and the people behind him), the easier it will be to vote for McCain. The Dem Party leadership has betrayed Hillary, I'd like to see her "explode" the party and ensure a McCain victory along with a Repub takeover of the House and Senate. It may be the only way to save the country from a group that is even worse than the Loony Left or Rabid Right.

Sometimes it pays to change direction

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVF44IRYHdw

Folks: please note GORDO's 5:30 post. He truly does want to aid in exploding the Dem party, or anything else he can.

I wonder if some of the folks here are getting paid for their work misdirecting others.

With blogs, you do not always know who you are dealing with. There are many examples of that here.

"Ah, only Burt Reynolds movie I've ever seen was Deliverance. "

And I bet you squeeled like a pig.

I didn't write that post just copied it.With all the racist comments being thrown towards Hillary supporters I thought it was appropriate.We have been called racist just because we do not trust Obama and do not believe all the propaganda coming from his campaign.
Ruth

Folks on this blog keep accusing nash of being elitist. The most elitist thing I've seen here today was Maxtrue challenging nash to dueling testi...er...prep schools.

Obama is like Buzz Lightyear in Toy Story. Hillary is like Woody. Remember how the kid liked Woody and then he got Buzz Lightyear? Buzz became his favorite toy. All the kids wanted Buzz Lightyear for Christmas that year, nobody wanted Woody.

Dog

To my knowledge none of Sen. Clinton's supporters have actually greeted Sen. Obama or his wife and children with boos and catcalls. Hillary, Bill, and Chelsea have been subjected to that several times by the Obama crowd.

dog hussein dog ----------------

Just think of me as the "Bill Ayers" of Craig's blog.

Dog,

No one has thought of Gordo as speaking for himself from day one. He pretty much just trolls for Taylor Marsh type sites. It doesn't make sense to equate him with the strong supporters of Sen. Clinton here.

"Folks on this blog keep accusing nash of being elitist."

I never called Nash an elitist. He's not smart enough to be an elitist. He's just trying his best to be a prick.

Since Gordo is always going on about Bill Ayers ... let the man speak for himself

http://billayers.org/

"Just think of me as the "Bill Ayers" of Craig's blog."

I knew Bill Ayers
Bill Ayers was a friend of mine
You , Sir, are no Bill Ayers

You gotta throw bombs around, Gordo me boy<
Not these internet bombs you've been laying.

You know . Blow up people, mangled bloody bodies and all that fun stuff

Ah, those were the days.

Ruth:

The thing about racism is that no one living today "started it". Like Obama said in his speech - it existed right from the start of this Country.

And even though we are far from perfect. We are better than a heck of a lot of other countries and we have made significant progress, especially since the 60's.

(And just remember - Senator Obama did not car jack you ; )

m

nash....what is wrong with you? if you are typical of BHO supporters you are proof positive that he has devided the party. I never see that kind of hate coming from Clinton people.

Some of the "strong supporters" of Hillary are so forgiving. Obama's campaign has "trashed" the Clinton Presidency and has a sizeable portion of the nation believing that they are racists. I am not able to forget that, but it appears many of you can.

Breaking News: Obama to visit Grand Rapids , Mi. on Wednesday night.

"Obama brings out the worst in a lot of us."

Absolutely wrong Ruth.

Politics brings out the worst in a lot of us.

Corey,

I love the "Buzz Lightyear" analogy. It's absolutely perfect.

I'm sticking with Woody : )

ET

One thing I like about a blog is that I can look ahead and see the names of those who are posting and avoid reading posts from those I have learned are pretty nasty. You are right and it is sad that Obama supporters, as a group, are pretty nasty. They deny it and even in their denials they are really nasty. Talk about no insight. Just look back today for examples.

Hillary folks, on the other hand, are more often nice,

I like this blog because it has many Hillary supporters and they keep me up to date on other information out there that I miss because I gave up most of the other MSM.

Unlike yourself, I will not vote for Obama just because he calls himself a Democrat and he is the nominee but I reserve the right to change my mind.

I think McCain leans a little Democratic and I wonder if some of what seems to be Republican may not be just his sucking up to the party. You can't ever really know that.

McCain has certainly paid his dues and has more experience. I really don't think he would do anything real crazy. I hope we get more Democratic support in the House and Senate. Maybe a balance wouldn't be such a bad thing. Lots of rationalizations here.

With what I do know and what I still don't know about Obama at this time I don't want him to acquire all the power that our current president has stolen himself .

Warren
I should have left some of that post out especially about shooting and car jacking.I didn't read it as carefully as I should have.I did leave some of the more agregious parts out.I wanted to point out that we are being called racists far too much,and I guess I for one was tired of it.
Ruth

I didn't say Obama brings out the worst of us .I said being called racist because we wouldn't vote for him does.
Ruth

Just to lighten it up a bit ... for all the Attorneys (and anybody likely to end up in court)

http://kalimna.blogspot.com/2008/02/grandma-goes-to-court.html

HRC has worked long and hard to get to where she is today. I am proud of her and proud to support her.
I hate to say it, but I truely believe that if BHO was just plain white he would have long ago gone by the wayside. He has no record, he has no policy thought of his own. What he has going for him is the love of the media and their willingness to call anyone who doesnt think he walks on water a racist. You know what, that is not enough to take chage of this country. We need someone willing to fight for what she believes is right. If I was in a bind and had to pick one of them to help me, I'd pick the 'nasty bitch'. At least I know where she stands.

Hillary could have won Tennessee.

Gordo: "The more I learn about Obama (and the people behind him), the easier it will be to vote for McCain. The Dem Party leadership has betrayed Hillary, I'd like to see her "explode" the party and ensure a McCain victory along with a Repub takeover of the House and Senate. It may be the only way to save the country from a group that is even worse than the Loony Left or Rabid Right."

Gordo, reading a sampling of what's here today, I'm starting to agree with you.

h

hey brain, you think you have material to work with, just wait until the GOP starts up on BHO

"requires no energy at all, they flow like water over niagra when one has so much material to work with. "

Of course, there's your delusion that any of them are actually witty.

Monday, May 12, 2008
SUPPORT THE OBAMA TRUTH WEEK!

http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/

Warren, I posted a link which reviews the issue of SOF, a favorite imaginary tool for Democrats to use in their imaginary solutions. Did you bother to read it? Do you think Pelosi will dounble that number without destroying SOF or that can be done wihtout further declne of conventional capabilities which are largely responsible for counter-insurgency tactics? And this doubling will be achieved under Obama's calls for defense cuts including halting missile deffense?

Well here is a post from the last thread. If Hillary said she was professor the Press would call it lying. I will post it because you seem to fail to grasp the reall issue.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/03/sweet_obama_did_hold_the_title.html

By common university rules stated before this became an issue, Obama was not a professor. Then the University of Chicago tried to do Obama and itself a favor by clarifying, but the point ifor Obama s the exaggeration. For a while Obama touted being the chair of an important sub comittee too. When news got out that he never has held a single meeting, he dropped that from his resume as he has dropped referring to himself as a professor. After the NYT article on his record in the Senate, he backed off his claim of what a bipartisan beacon he was. If you're right, why doesn't he keep using the title professor? Do you always take a jury for idiots?

The point about the Professor and his record of boldness in Chicago speaks to his eagerness to exaggerate and most Americans know what a professor is and what bold is. Obama did not do what a full professsor does, nor did he say publically he was less than a full professor. He hails bills he signed as though he sponsored or wrote them himself.

And then you call taking issue with the very "expert" people Obama selected to advise his foreign policy, is guilt by association? Yep, a fine lawyer Warren. Was not Rumsfeld a reflection on Bush's judgment? That a defendent hung out with the Crips has no bearing in an assault case?

You call the damage done to Obama and Michelle in advancing the notion the Obama's having never known of the very issues now lampooned of Wright on TV for twenty years? That Obama denounced him only after he attacked Obama isnot obvious to we the jury? And that Moss is a great Paster, the very same Pastor that strongly defends Wright, is really a change we hoped for?

And of course it is guilt by association that Obama started in Chicago with a grant from the Ayers and help from Rezko. Did Obama ever blast Rezko before he was indicted and helped Obama with his house, that Rezko was a slumlord? Did he lament the endorsement of what Rezko did to the housing designed for poor people, poor Black people?

Yeah, all this is guilt by association. Obama responds only when the polls are threatening him. Weeks before the Wright explosion, Obama told the press Wright was not controversial. This is a fine moral compass. If you were a trial lawyer and that was your best you would have a poor record of winning. You want me to accept a line of reasoning no jury would accept. A lawyer should know this stuff kills and have told his client long ago to pre-empt this "problem", but in his supreme arrogance, Obama is a law unto himself and he will try to convince the jury that if they convict him, they are merely convicting themselves.

Now that is some incredible lawyering. Let's hope the jury isn't stupid enough to buy it.

And again, did the article on SOF make sense to you? And imagine our doubling plans with Obama in power. And also note the decline of conventional forces hurting the critical role SOF was designed to play by diverting their mission and lowering their standards. You said it yourself that SOF should do counter-insurgency which is the function of a well lead conventional force. You make the same mistake Pelosi does. Seeing what the Democrats plan to do with that force, I can understand your mistake in offering an impractical fix of misusing SOF.

Now here is some hypocricy. West Virginia doesn't really count. Why worry about States that don't count? Well when Hillary said that about many of the Red State victories is was an outrage.

Warren you must love Cafferty.

9/11 be careful, some of the stuff here is even capable of dumbing down one's immune system.

Time for sane news coverage ... BBC America

I hear you Gordo...

So my message to my Democrat readers today, visit HillaryClinton.com, support her candidacy, and let’s have an election with truly the 2 best candidates to move this country forward. And if god forbid, Obama does win this nomination, then consider this: Who can better work to protect America, end the polarization that exists in Washington, and reform our government? The Republican Candidate with Joe Lieberman standing at his side, or the other one with Ted Kennedy at his side.

My message to my Independent and Republican readers today: Support John McCain, contribute to his campaign, and spread the truth about Obama.
J Brown Politically Drunk.com
5/12/2008

Hey

You democrats sure have a lot of fun in here, mud wrestling must be the official sport of the democrat party.

Some one said that there were paid McCain staff posting here, wish they would hire me. I could use the money.
The only one that might be on the McCain payroll is Nash.
Obama supporters may not be the sharpest tool in the shed but even an Obama supporter is not that dumb.

I like the idea of Clinton Gore as a green party ticket.
That ticket in the race gets me everything I want.

McCain for prez. and a stronger Democrat congress.

So while all of you are wrestling in the great democrat mud pit, my man McCain is busy running to the center.
Did you notice that Craig? Or are you too busy wrestling too.

McCain is polishing his green image.

"McCain goes green in West Coast speech"
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/election2008/story/36754.html

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

Friends don't let friends put the Supreme Court at risk!
Vote Democrat in 2008!

Hey
I guess everyone knows that Obama has started wearing a flag pin.

At least he is learning something,
When in Rome you shoot off Roman candles.
Too late to do him any good now.
maybe next time

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

John McCain said again , "I am not George Bush."
This time talking about climate change etc.
Bush sold out to the evangelicals for his second term,evangelicals are likely to stay home this year.
McCain needs to find something to replace them in the Republican coalition from 2004. Whoever suggested Todd-Whitman as a vp choice is on the right track. I think McCain will run to the center. Also I heard speculation that Bob Barr running on some third party ticket might be a problem for McCain. I think that is silly.

http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/News/Speeches/0b381abd-e573-459d-8716-fbd83ab62d8d.htm

Pat B. is trying to revive the Civil War!!

He said WV is part of the Confederacy - but Obama is going after VA - because those nothern Virginians are leading a movement to secede from the Confederacy.

(Is this a time warp . . . or is it that Pat. B is just warped?)

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Vote Democrat in 2008!

Why an Obama/Clinton ticket is nuts

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10242.html

and why it isn't

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10241.html

Great little Short segment for Obama. I admire the last parapgrah.

... Obama On Hamas Smear: "We Don't Do Nuance Well In Politics"

Barack Obama sat for a lengthy interview with Jeffrey Goldberg where he discusses Israel, his connection to Chicago's Jewish community, and Middle East policy. He also had these comments about the recent attacks on him because of the kind words he received from a member of Hamas.

JG: Why do you think Ahmed Yousef of Hamas said what he said about you?

BO: My position on Hamas is indistinguishable from the position of Hillary Clinton or John McCain. I said they are a terrorist organization and I've repeatedly condemned them. I've repeatedly said, and I mean what I say: since they are a terrorist organization, we should not be dealing with them until they recognize Israel, renounce terrorism, and abide by previous agreements.

JG: Were you flummoxed by it?

BO: I wasn't flummoxed. I think what is going on there is the same reason why there are some suspicions of me in the Jewish community. Look, we don't do nuance well in politics and especially don't do it well on Middle East policy. We look at things as black and white, and not gray. It's conceivable that there are those in the Arab world who say to themselves, "This is a guy who spent some time in the Muslim world, has a middle name of Hussein, and appears more worldly and has called for talks with people, and so he's not going to be engaging in the same sort of cowboy diplomacy as George Bush," and that's something they're hopeful about. I think that's a perfectly legitimate perception as long as they're not confused about my unyielding support for Israel's security.

"Friends don't let friends "

Many of us feel that the friends here may be few and far between.

"Friends don't let friends put the Supreme Court at risk!
Vote Democrat in 2008!"

Hey
Divided government solves that problem.
Without all the baggage Obama is going to have satisfying all his wingnut's demands.

That is why you should say

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

Obama does not have wingnuts.

Pay no mind to pugnacious.

"Many of us feel that the friends here may be few and far between. "

Not that I've noticed, the Obama supporters have done a good job of preparing the ground.

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

Friends don't let friends put the Supreme Court at risk!
Vote Democrat in 2008!

Not Bush:

"I think McCain will run to the center."

Everyone runs to the center in the general. (One of these reasons I think Hillary is less electable than Obama is because she has taken "hard left" positions in the primary - e.g., 60-day withdrawal no matter what - and government mandates on healthcare. I don't think most of the Country is there yet on these two issues - especially not with McCain making a compelling argument on the other side and hammering on these two points as "wedge issues".)

McCain is already center-Right. But that Right comes with a big R because the GOP will not fully support John if he does not continue to push his strong record on "pro-life" issues and Judges that must meet the "pre-conditions" of his base. And don't forget the Bush tax cut's that McCain once strongly opposed - is a concession McCain had to make to earn the nomination.

And despite what the National Review says, Obama is center-Left. And while the GOP will repeat over and over again - that a Right Wing propoganda rag tagged Obama as the "most Liberal" Senator - and that we should be suspicious of his past - that will not be what this election is about. Americans are better than that - and they will be focusing on each candidate's "vision for the future."

And to all you Right Wingers out there - have fun painting this as a "liberal" - in the pejorative tone you give that term - agenda:

-END the Bush Doctrine and EVOLVE American foreign policy

-Make HEALTH CARE more affordable and accessible
IMMEDIATELY and get us on the road towards UNIVERSAL health care

-Stop the trickle-down ECONMICS and turn on the faucet through TAXES and EDUCATION

-Pass a comprehensive IMMIGRATION bill and ensure that our boarders are SAFE

-LEAD the world on fighting terrorism, speading human rights and protecting our environment

pug...

You clearly haven't been paying attention to the do-nothing, kowtowing Congress under the leadership of Pelosi and Reid, both of whom need to be replaced.

Friends don't let friends put the Supreme Court at risk!
Vote Democrat in 2008!

All HRC supporters can vote for Hillary in NOV, in good conscience, by write-in at the top of ticket. Then continue the Democratic vote down ticket. Senators, Reps, etc so the Congress will be veto proof. All the issues of great concern, i.e. supreme court, appointees, even Iraq if we cut off funding, can be done by the Congress. McCain will get nothing through.

I cannot vote for Obama simply because he is not qualified. I have a dear friend, very intelligent, who is a State Senator and 3 yrs in the US Senate would not qualify him to be President either.

I am truly angered by the fact tBO has trashed the Clinton Presidency and convinced many that Bill is a racist when Obama threw the first volatile. BO has divided this party not Hillary. His "new" coalition is a loser!!

You go Gordo, re: 5:30.

For myself, I get really tired of explaining about reverse racism, you people who don't understand who really played the race card here are thick, thick, thick. This is a guy who couldn't even make it to the State of the Black Union in New Orleans and maybe it's just as well since Dick Gregory would have put him in much the same position that Rev. Wright did, and he still gleans 92% of the AA vote - that should tell you something. There are so many severe problems to be solved, not now, but right now and this arrogant airhead, and the sleaze standing behind him couldn't care less as long as Teddy and Teresa get back the party power. Imagine Teddy coming out and saying that BO reminded him of his brother, that is pure unadulterated BS and he should writhe in shame, but somebody already said it before, a mean drunk - is a mean drunk and will say anything to get his puppet elected.

In case anyone would like to know what was happening in the world while American media has been obsessive and brain dead:

http://www.bbcamerica.com/content/169/news.jsp

"BowWow All HRC supporters can vote for Hillary in NOV, in good conscience, by write-in at the top of ticket. Then continue the Democratic vote down ticket."

yeah, but bowwow, haven't the Democrats in the house and Sentate been part of our problem. Aside from being cowards in the last couple years, didn't they help bring down Hillary. I'm not jumping to any conclusions her, but I'm just asking the question (before I make up my mind). I will never ever vote for Obama. He's betrayed and trashed the Clinton administration too much and I do not consider him a loyal Democrat.

Poll says Clinton should stay in the race

http://www.abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/1064a208Election.pdf

There are some interesting things in the poll.

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Vote Democrat in 2008!

Posted by: harborwoman | May 12, 2008 7:54 PM

Friends don't let friends put the Supreme Court at risk!
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From The Chef NUN!!!

politically pissed: Teddy coming out and saying that BO reminded him of his brother, that is pure unadulterated BS and he should writhe in shame, but somebody already said it before, a mean drunk - is a mean drunk and will say anything to get his puppet elected."

Remember when Michelle Obama said "America is just a mean place" and another time that "America has a hole in it's soul"

I guess she was thinking of Teddy.

Jamie:

I will tell you what is nuts. Is that talk in the media that Obama can't have Clinton as VP becuase he could never be sure if she was working for him - or if she was working for herself. Give me a freaking break! She would be working for the Country.

She would be advocating strongly on what she thought was right - and Obama would have to think long and hard before disagreeing with her - which I think is a good thing.

Another plus - is that America would have less of a problem with a co-VP than a co-President. I have always thought that Bill Clinton can take a more active role in an Obama administration - than HRC's.

My only issue with Hillary on the ticket is I think it appears to run contrary to Obama's message of changing politics in Washington.

There could be way around this. Obama could make clear that it is the President that sets the tone of the debate in Washington - which I think is often the case with good Presidents.

And he could explain that there is no reason to fault HRC for mastering the "old politics" of dvision, distraction and demonizing - or for using those tactics in the primary. The Clintons firmly believe that there is no other way to beat the Republicans except to beat them at their own game.

Obama is not naive and even though his campaign is based on ending the game playing in Wahsington - he knows full-well that sometimes you need to "fight fire with fire". And anybody know of two better "attack dogs" in the Democratic Party than the Clintons?

(Heck - they can even bring "Wolf-boy"!! Even though I have taken some shots at him - Wolfson has gotten better as this campaign has gone on.)

Anyways, it could work - but I think there really needs to be some military experience on the Obama ticket against McCain. Iraq will be front and center in the general election - you can count on it.

(Hagel would seal the deal.)

Meg,

Their constituents should hold them accountable and with a veto proof chamber there's strength.. Let's not forget though that the country is more moderate and there were many new democratic Congressional Reps elected in 2006 that were from conservative districts.. as was Sen Webb who is also moderate.

Remember when Michelle Obama said "America is just a mean place" and another time that "America has a hole in it's soul"

I guess she was thinking of Teddy.

Posted by: Meg | May 12, 2008 8:15 PM

Gosh Meg, I have googles those quotes 10 ways to one and I don't see anywhere that Michele Obama made those statements.

All I can find is a religious site that says "America is is a mean place and its going to hell?"

I wish you would help me by linking you source.

Pugnacious:

Is it really a "divided government" if we have a Republican Presidents for 20 of the last 28 years?

(Especially since many of the GOP victories have been - at least in part - based on "swift-boating" - instead of winning the battle of ideas.)

And heck - we might be inclined to let you guys keep driving - if you hadn't royally screwed up the last 8 years.

If it ain't broke - don't fix it. If it is broke - it is time for a "change".

(Get ready for the fight of your lives GOP - we are not only gonna take the White House - but we are gonna deal the Republicans a "knock out" blow that will have them picking up the pieces while Obama passes the Democratic Agenda in his first term ; )

Bowwow, maybe you are right. Either vote McCain and a straight democratic ticket for all other. Or as you said,
write in Hillary and straight Democrat on the rest.

pissed:

you need a drink (or perhaps several).

Posted: Monday, May 12, 2008 1:53 PM by Domenico Montanaro
Filed Under: 2008, Obama, Delegates
From NBC's Domenico Montanaro
Obama has gained yet another superdelegate, Hawaii Sen. Daniel Akaka. Akaka is the second Hawaii superdelegate to announce today and the third superdelegate overall to go to Obama since this morning.

Idaho Democratic Party Chairman R. Keith Roark will endorse a presidential candidate some time after 2 p.m. ET. Obama won the state overwhelmingly, 80%-17%.

Obama has now picked up 22 superdelegates since last Tuesday's contests in North Carolina and Indiana. Clinton has picked up 1.5.

*** UPDATE *** Roark is officially now for Obama, the Obama campaign confirms. Roark is the fourth today for the Illinois senator.

The NBC NEWS delegate counts:
PLEDGED: Obama 1,590, Clinton 1,426
SUPERS: Obama 279, Clinton 276.5
TOTAL: Obama 1,869, Clinton 1,702.5

Ted Kennedy is a senile old mysoginist and an embarrassment to MA. Didn't we learn that the crap about Kennedy money bringing over BO's father was just another lie. Tk is delusional about Camelot. I pray for the day I can vote him out.

Just an observaton;

Ted Kennedy is a senile old mysoginist and an embarrassment to MA. Didn't we learn that the crap about Kennedy money bringing over BO's father was just another lie. Tk is delusional about Camelot. I pray for the day I can vote him out.

Posted by: BOWWOW44 | May 12, 2008 8:37 PM

This paragraph is just as hard for Obama Supporters to handle as Nash's Tirade was for all of you.

I'm pointing this example out in order to help Clinton people to know why the back and forth happens,. It certainly did today. WHEW!

I'm going to from now on.

This is the kind of rage and frustration that builds up after months of hearing MSNBC (and others) tell us 24/7 how great Obama is, how horrible the Clintons are, and how we as Americans all feel about it. What other outcome could there have been?. How long could we witness so much injustice and not have come out wounded and divided. Anyone who won't admit the injustice of what's happened is blinded by the illusion that is Obama.

Didn't catch the beginning of O'Reilly, but just heard on their Chicago news people reporting on Obama's dealings with Ayers and many others through out the years. They've investigated it and followed it and will continue to report new findings (and old ones never reported properly). O'Reily asked the reporter Obama's idealology, and the reporter says he still doesn't know what his idealology is.
O'Reilly said he intends to find that out and hopefully, when he does, he'll share it with the rest of us.

Survey USA Obama lead in OR is 11.
Guess I have to get up earlier to campaign for Hillary tomorrow.

nick,
Thank You!

I wasn't going to spend a lot of time searching and referencing back for Sheila. I figure if she's that interested, she can do it herself.

Sheila,

This is an anti Obama site, but it does list some of the quotes by Michelle with sources.

http://www.mikefrancesa.com/wordpress/?p=778

Here most recent "joke" was that she wanted to rip out Bill Clinton's eyes

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/may/04/barackobama

Thanks so Much Jamie, that really helps in sorting out the misinformation.

All in the interest of getting along on the site!

Oregon Democrat
I've been hoping you'd come on with an update. I was thinking how great it would be if Hillary could surprise everyone and come close or surpass Obama in your state. It would be a true upset. Keep up the good work! And keep us informed. I'll go over and make a contribution to Hillary right now to help her finish the race. I can't put in the hours you do, but I try to contribute something every week. Good Luck.

Sheila, I don't pass along misinformation. I may paraphrase but I don't lie.

Meg, Wasn't talking about you persay. I was using the term in general to thank Jamie. Because there IS a lont of misinformation passed on this site and for example,

You mistake in Michelle Obama's misquotes adds to the Urban Legends. The very reason why a great percentage of people who believe that Obama is a Muslim is because of a lot of Misinformation passed.

So, I do not believe you would ever lie. just want the straight scoop however good or bad for Obama straightened out on this site.

"If it ain't broke - don't fix it. If it is broke - it is time for a "change"."
Warren, I don't believe you have a clue what I'm talking about when I say divided government. I gave you a link the other day but it appears you didn't read it.

How can you fix it if you don't have a clue what is broke?

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

Sheila,

Sometimes the truth hurts.. remember Mary Jo Kopechne, 1969. or maybe you're too young!!

What Ted Kennedy did was reprehensible... so the holier than thou oratory from my senator does not fly with me and when he trashes Hillary with the "noblier aspirations" comment .. it is sheer hypocrisy. His noble aspirations in 1969 were to save his butt and leave an injured woman to die. Case closed.

And we certainly don't have to misquote Ms Obama. The real ones are bad enough.

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

I take back Hagel as VP. We can have a Republican waiting to assume power if something happens. We don't need a Republican President right now - even Hagel.

"We can't"

(fruedian slip?)

r

For Barack

Flag Decal - John Prine

http://youtube.com/watch?v=m1qE2vJdDw4

Jack

In an equally significant address to the Los Angeles World Affairs Council, McCain, the certain Republican nominee, refused to back off his support for remaining in Iraq, but put that decision in a broader context of American foreign policy, outlining a vastly different approach from President Bush and one that might heal the wounds left here at home and abroad by the last seven years.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/post_27.html

It is the two-party system that is destroying this country. Let all those who think they are more capable than the other run for presidency.

Who knows . . . but I am becoming more sold on the "Dream Ticket" (what a Democratic Convention!! We would be living MLK's "Dream".). No hard feelings at that one - except towards the GOP.

Anyways - let's think like Republicans for a second.

Strickland "may" bring Ohio. Webb "might" bring Virginia.

Hillary WILL bring millions and millions of supporters all over this Nation (not just in one state). That is how you "re-draw" the map. (Like I have been saying - 30% of the Country supports Obama, 30% Clinton - and 40% McCain. 60%-40% with a new and broad coalition that will bring record turn out in Nov. for women, blacks and new voters. Plus, the entire Democratic base.

I think it is also good to pick one of the other nominees - since they have been recently vetted in the campaign - and are already on the national stage (no introduction needed).

My other main consideration - the VP debates. And HRC will cut up anyone they put in front of her. And you can count on that!

Plus, we all know the Clintons will be campaigning for Obama - even if she is not VP. But it won't be the same - and it will certainly be a less active role.

It should be interesting...

(But if they do go with the "Dream Ticket" - they would need to announce a real heavy weight as Sec. of Def. or Sec. of State before the election in November.

I am thinking Biden, Hagel or Powell. Or go with another "tag team" such as Biden or Richardson as Sec. of State and Webb as Sec. of Def.)

"As the son of the Muslim father, Senator Obama was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood. It makes no difference that, as Senator Obama has written, his father said he renounced his religion. Likewise, under Muslim law based on the Koran his mother’s Christian background is irrelevant.

His conversion, however, was a crime in Muslim eyes; it is “irtidad” or “ridda,” usually translated from the Arabic as “apostasy,” but with connotations of rebellion and treason. Indeed, it is the worst of all crimes that a Muslim can commit, worse than murder (which the victim’s family may choose to forgive).

But of all the well-meaning desires projected on Senator Obama, the hope that he would decisively improve relations with the world’s Muslims is the least realistic."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12luttwak.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

But of all the well-meaning desires projected on Senator Obama, the hope that he would decisively improve relations with the world’s Muslims is the least realistic."

Now that IS the truth GORDO. Obama has as much chance to improve relations as anyone in America. He will use the same methods as would the other candidates.

Thanks for the good word!

Sheila:

I am not sure this new wave of personalities are Clinton supporters or just more "Operation Chaos".

So I wouldn't get too worked up about them - and also not lump them in with Clinton supporters such as Jamie, EuroTom, sturg, UB, LL, gordo (?), Flatus, GAKaren, Wendy, Max (?), Heather, painter (I am getting tired - but all the rest of "you people" ; )

(And "revenge voting" is about as stupid as "Operation Chaos". People have fought and died for our right to vote - and if you aren't voting for the person you think would do the best job for this Country - than I am not sure why you are voting.)

I am off to walk the goose.

(And remember - the Republicans like it when we fight. Because it works to their advantage on several levels.)

Warren thanks,

I know what you say. I have just decided that it is about time to address the misinformation. All my colleagues here know that I don't pick on people. They are usually a consciencious bunch.

However, from now on, I feel compelled to get the facts straight about Obama right or wrong. I have see strong evidence that Clinton supporters here do the same. I'm sure they will support me in this.

You should read the article.

"...most citizens of the Islamic world would be horrified by the fact of Senator Obama’s conversion to Christianity once it became widely known — as it would, no doubt, should he win the White House. This would compromise the ability of governments in Muslim nations to cooperate with the United States in the fight against terrorism, as well as American efforts to export democracy and human rights abroad."

I think that is pretty much a moot point. Since all the Presidents of the US have been Christians in some way or another.

I believe the rest is Doom and Gloom theorizing that could be said about any candidate for President. We are afterall the enemy of the "Extremes" of the Islamic world.

More importantly is the influence of the Title President of the United States and especially hopefull Democrat instead of Republican at this time....

Obama can still be a "secret Muslim" - how would anyone know? Seems like this could greatly complicate matters when trying to deal with Muslim nations. Also, it's very dangerous for him.

"You would think someone on the verge of clinching his party's presidential nod would want to make more of an effort in a state won by every successful Democratic nominee since 1916."

..but I think conventional wisdom gets thrown out of the window when you have a black presidential candidate. I mean, amongst all the "..can he capture the white working class?" drivel, one thing that is never addressed is people not voting for Obama solely on his skin color. I'd gather that the Obama camp realized that he didn't have a snowballs chance in Paris Hilton's crotch of winning there, no matter how many doors he knocked on or rallies he held. Why try to court "the klan" vote when weren't going to vote for you anyways. He was right to skip West Virginia.

Not Bush

good link to a David Broder column

Here are some relevant quotes, with some of McCains own words.
He is certainly not Bush

*"I detest war" as only a man who has experienced its horrors can do. "Only a fool or a fraud sentimentalizes the merciless reality of war,"*

*"America must be a model citizen if we want others to look to us as a model," he said. "We can't torture or treat inhumanely suspected terrorists we have captured. I believe we should close Guantanamo and work with our allies to forge a new international understanding on the disposition of dangerous detainees under our control."*

*"where power of all kinds is more widely and evenly distributed, the United States cannot lead by virtue of its power alone," McCain said in an implicit rebuke to the mindset of the current White House. "We need to listen to the views and respect the collective will of our democratic allies. When we believe international action is necessary, whether military, economic or diplomatic, we will try to persuade our friends that we are right. But we, in return, must be willing to be persuaded by them."**

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Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

Well, my GORDO,
and Clinton could be a secret Wiccan, but I doubt it. Because the Media go through heaven and earth to be the first to find anything that could create an exclusive. So The muslim bit would have been confirmed EONS ago and vetted until the cows come home and then thow out with the bath water.

Because in the end, as it turns out from a few polls for about 6 months early on in the campaign, the majority of the public don't care.

Warren, you actual said that Obama is more electible because Hillary has gne hard left in the primary? I guess lawyers will say anything it takes to get their defendant off the hook. Isn't that true? I can't really believe you said that. EVERYONE has observed that because Hillary blocked the center, Obama was forced to go Left of her. From what planet do you hail? And the world is flat, yes? To deny this basic observation of Hillary being the centrist is an example of your disregard for facts. I am surprised you were taught such disregard for evidence in becoming a lawyer. I have the glove Warren and it fits Obama not Hillary.

Not only did Obama go left of Hillary regarding capital gains tax, but he stuttered after being lectured that raising the capital gains LOWERS revenue to the government. His defense positions are LEFT of HIllary. Almost every defender of Obama acknowledges his associations, record and history is more Left than Hillary as HE CALLS her a Republican lite. It is completely amazing and I have concluded you are simply here to spout whatever you must to play the Obama move of the day. Yesterday he threatened to nuke Iran and today he wants to talk. His position on Israel is Left of Hillary. His position on missile defense is left of Hillary. His position on immigration and licenses is Left of Hillary. His position on corporate tax is Left of Hillary. His position on the Patriot Act is Left of Hillary. His position on Iran, Darfur, Syria, and Iraq is Left of Hillary. His position on guns is Left of Hillary. His position on Pastors is Left of Hillary.

By most media measure Obama represents the NeoLIberals and Hillary the Clinton Referendum which is a more centrist approach. But then a lawyer would suggest any theory that would exonerate his client and a politician would say anything that worked. He would even start wearing a flag pin.

And yet you out the absurd notion that Hillary is the Leftist and Obama is the Centrist. WTF This is exactly the dishonest line that Obama himself will now take against McCain and why it is too hard for many Liberals to accept the make-it-up-as-we-go-along tactics of the Obama campaign. Bill Clinton didn't runon a make beleive centrist line, he was a person who wanted to move Liberals closer to center after years of the more zLiberal losing. The NYT goes into detail describing the CLinton referendum and how this election is a choice between the more Liberal wing and the centrist one. Your claim in not only wrong, but designed to continue the tactics of saying whatever is required to win, even if it false and reansparently so. It is simply disingenuous. It is lying. Just like the fantasy that we can double SOF without seriously damaging it. Sure. let Obama and Pelosi do exactly that. That we can bomb our way into terror caves and keep Iran at bay as we retreat is another fantasy. It is foolish.

Now as Obama tries to pivot center, you have the balls to say McCain ain't centrist but Obama is, even more than Hillary. It is a joke and a bad one at that. Keep it up and show us why Obama's camp cannot be trusted to keep their story straight, let alone our ship of State.

Obama the centrist?.....LOL

Go Gordo, I have had my fill of this BS tonight. Warren has just decided Obama is Right of Hillary. Obama is another JF friggin K. GOd Damn that Lefty Hillary Clinton. Long Live the Centrist Obama! The new Emperor who has no suit.

Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun ---------

The point made in the article is that conversion from Muslim to another religion is : "the worst of all crimes that a Muslim can commit, worse than murder (which the victim’s family may choose to forgive)."

It is WORSE than MURDER !!!

Gordo

Chill,
take your medicine.
Nobody cares about the finer details of Muslim law. And McCain won't bother to use it. Obama gives us plenty to use against him everyday he opens his mouth.

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

But he is an American and once he becomes the President of the United States, he becomes one of the most influencial Heads of States in the World GORDO.

Like I said, that "doom and gloom" article is moot....

Good night Gordo, Time for me to head for bed. ;0)

Oh and thanks Warren for giving me a queston mark regarding my support of Hillary. Is it so hard for you to understand after my lengthy explanation of what Liberalsim means to me, you know the Liberalism that defined the LIBERAL CONSENSUS that started to fall apart during the Viet Nam war and have finally led to a split amoung LIBERALS.

I could never be alawyer because I could not defend a person I didn't believe and I could not presecute one I thought was innocent. I just don't have that eseential quality.

There is not one thing I have ever posted here that was an intential lie, though I am human and can make mistakes. i am open, like Hillary to new ideas and new facts. I am not so rooted in ideology as to ignore trends, new situations and the need to get things done. I do find lying to be quite a character flaw, especially about very important matters.

Pugnacious -----------------

The problem is that a great many Muslims would care about Obama's conversion.

Again: "As the son of the Muslim father, Senator Obama was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood."

Pug, the connection to certain Muslim groups through friendships and his church, even hios advisors and EX advisors do matter. Obama's mom was Unitarian and I did think that one point early on Obama was Muslim and then converted to Chirtianity (Wright's version) twenty some odd years ago. I am more concerned of the adult support Obama has offered those Muslims everyone is pretending represent a moderate view. That will and should be vetted by McCain.

And yes, I agree with your suggestion.

Gordo

He could be magenta with orange polka dots and worship the blue mud in the belly button of the elephant god. WHO CARES?

Please give it a rest ... Have mercy just 24 hours

Let's re-frame the debate.

Obama needs to get Clinton Democrats - not Reagan Democrats.

There are MORE Clinton Democrats.

(And let us never lose sight of the fact that many Reagan Democrats regretted their votes...)

Add the Clinton Democrats to the Obama Democrats - and you have got yourself a winning coalition.

(And McCain has the 30% of the Country that still approves of Bush).

Obama/Clinton '08 - "a real change" - or maybe "a change that was a long time in the making"
(how bout - "we're not rich white men" ; )

McCain '08 - "a capable leader seeking to continue the same flawed policies of Bush on the major issues facing this Country - Iraq & Economy"

(it is amazing how McCain follows Bush on the two issues that have been huge problems for Bush. And then of course he breaks with Bush on the "popular" and "safe" issue of the Environment. And like every Republican - he promises "spending cuts". . . )

Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun ----------------

I am going to assume that you DO understand that NYT article, but don't know how to respond to the facts - so you talk about something else.

WHO CARES?

Muslims

Republicans for Obama...

"Perhaps it isn’t really that rare for a Republican to cross over and vote for a Democratic candidate for president, but when high profile Republicans start publicly endorsing a Democrat, then something must be in the air. We know former Rhode Island Republican Senator Lincoln Chafee has endorsed Obama, but he isn’t alone. Point of fact, there is a national organization called Republicans for Obama that has chapters in every state in the Union."

http://loc.rousefamily.com/leftofcentrist/?p=374#comments

And Senator Lincoln Chafee was the only Republican to vote against the MCA of 2006, he should be the VP on the Obama ticket.

By the way anyone who supports Torture is no better than our enemies. That was what defined what America was and stood for. It set us apart from other countries and made America a great country. It's sad to see that we as a Nation no longer Honor the values our forefathers gave their blood and lives for since we are now a Rogue Nation.

McCain Distances Self From Bush, Says U.S. Worse Off Than 2000

By Alison Fitzgerald

April 18 (Bloomberg) -- John McCain distanced himself from President George W. Bush's economic policies, saying Americans are ``hurting badly'' and haven't fared well under this administration.

``Americans are not better off than they were eight years ago,'' McCain said in an interview on Bloomberg Television's ``Political Capital with Al Hunt,'' to be aired today
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a9QUFCX0kkGg&refer=us

Max:

I put a question mark by your name because although your posts pay lip service to "liberalism" - the tone and the content rallies against all things left of Center.

And you must have called me a liar 17 times for simply expressing my own point of view. Just because I disagree with the GOP party line and the Clinton talking points does not make me a liar.

(But your outrage tells me that I must be doing a good job. And btw - I do not work for the Obama camp. I am an registered Independent and I am expressing my beliefs - pro bono. If anything - Obama works for me - and more than a million others that have donated to his campaign.)

My roomate in law school was a Muslim. He married a Hindu to both of their parents dismay. But their parents got over it.

(My other roomate was Chinese. I like them too ; )

On Fox News, a discussion about Bill Ayers.

Don't have the exact time, a little after 11:30 PM E.

We've been in Seoul for 2-1/2 days. I haven't heard a single person mention Obama, Clinton, Bush, or any other American political figure.

It's as if the US is irrelevant. It certainly wasn't this way in decades past. If 'we' caught a cold, people around the world would rush in with Kleenex. Not now.

Perhaps I've misinterpreted, but I understand that a major component of an Obama administration would be a moral component which would make us more relevant in a much more tightly integrated world.

My thought is that it would be a real stretch for the US becoming a moral force of the likes of The Vatican City, Switzerland, or of Tibet's government in exile.

And, if you look at it, how has their moral rectitude improved the lives of their people?

We been much more successful when we've been the standards-setting economic power with the military clout to defend that position if and when it should be threatened.

Now, that's the power that made us great.

" What to do? What to do?"

Go out and sell some more dope so you can order in Thai tomrrow?

Oh please please please make Pelosi go away ... where do I go to sell my first born son? I doubt San Francisco would give up the Speakership, but it is a lovely thought. Who is running against her.

Perfect example of the racism a lot of you exhibit when talking about why you won't support a fellow Democrat, one with positions nearly the same as your Billary. From the Los Angeles Times:

"I'm going to write in Hillary on the ballot," Jester said outside the IHOP, crushing her half-smoked cigarette. "I want to see a woman in there before I see a . . . " She stopped, and her sister finished the sentence with: "a man of color."

Classic. Racism is still the most powerful motivator in this country, mainly because people will vote against their own interests in order to perpetuate it.

Bye Bye -- all that quote means it that some "journalist" wanted to drive home a racist point and so cherry-picked his interviews. You need to wonder about the fact that this same media cheerleaded us into George W Bush and the Iraq War.

now why would a schmoe who calls himself "Bye Bye" be remotely interested in a rational explanation of something which he considers damaging to Hillary?

lol