Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

The great Messiah thinks he can win without WV because he is so "different."

He is dropping them like a bad habit!

Woo Hoo! I'm first, I think.

WV, who cares.

Wow that was a quick switch...

Dear Warren:

This Hillary must withdraw from the race is a media elitist invention and this "scorched earth" term is another media invention, if the Democratic Party cannot withstand Senator Clinton continuing to be active in the race they should fold up their tent and disband their party and go home, they do not deserve to be a party forcing anyone out of the race is undemocratic, I would even defend Obama's right to stay in if it were reversed, besides even Obama stated Hillary should stay in.

--Heather

Craig: your headlines are not in the least bit "objective". I have yet to see any that acknowledge Obama won North Carolina big and for all intents won Indiana -- keeping Clinton to a 2% win there was incredible work.

Indiana was telling Hillary it was time to bring this nomination season to a close.

West Virginia and Kentucky will be tough and Obama does not expect to win them in the primaries. However, he improves his margin by campaigning locally -- witness the Clinton 8.8% win in Pennsylvania -- Obama did not win the state but narrowed the gap significantly.

There are a lot of progressive and pragmatic people in all U.S. states.

It will be interesting to see just how WV and KY (and Oregon and Montana and Puerto Rico) citizens vote.

He's working Oregon cause Oregon is going to put him over the top and he can have his victory celebration, it will make for great theater.

West Virginia:

Ten generations of cousins marrying.

That's Hillary's base.

Obama losing in the general election by double digits America will feel safer and so will their wallets.

"Craig: your headlines are not in the least bit "objective". I have yet to see any that acknowledge Obama won North Carolina big -- posted by dog hussein dog"

this one didn't do it for ya, dog? -- http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/05/its-north-carolina-stupid.html

[repost]

And to tell ya the truth - I think Hillary Clinton was given the benefit of the doubt much more than any other candidate would have received.

How many times have we heard: Never count out a Clinton.

Even after it became clear that Obama had an insurmountable lead in pledged delegates - which is how the nominee is chosen. And this point was acknowledged quite clearly by the Clinton campaign (at least at the beginning).

Wolfson:

"I guess one other thing I'd add is that, as you know, this is a race for delegates."

"And overall, we have a significant lead among delegates, overall, which, obviously, at the end of the day is what is going to positively determine which Democrat is our party's nominee."

McAuliffe:

"And at the end of the day it's getting a basket of delegates."

ONLY Hillary Clinton could have made the argument that the nominee should be based on the popular vote - instead of the delegates. I honestly do not believe that this argument would have gotten the traction that it did if Senator Obama was making this argument.

I suspect Oregon will go for Obama as well. I lived in the Pacific Northwest and that region seems prime territory for the Obama candidacy. Of course I'd love to see Hillary actually pull a "Dewey Defeats Truman" win there, but I don't see it happening.

So how is that other Axelrod creation doing these days, Deval Patrick? Do you know that was called the "spare Obama" ? Understand why?

dog,

You're not counting the column about five down headlined, "It's North Carolina STupid!" that mentioned the massive NC win and Indiana squeaker?

"I have yet to see any that acknowledge Obama won North Carolina big"

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/05/its-north-carolina-stupid.html

Slow day, only 4 SD endorsements for Obama today. I haven't been attention to the news today how many has Hillary gotten?

Heather:

You're right. Both Senator Obama and I agree that Hillary should stay in the race.

We have been fighting for months now - and for everyone to all of a sudden thinking that two and a half more weeks of campaigning will be the undoing of the Democratic Party is ludicrous.

Let's finish this thing out - and have all the Super D's make their decision shortly after the last primary election. Case closed.

(But then what would the media talk about? Issues, perhaps?)

Bob Barr is in as a Libertarian. Now if someone really, really doesn't like black people, you now have a candidate.

Heard him speak a couple of times. Once he was even sober. Not a nice person.

Missed that one, Craig! (Was in the Tarheel state that day.) Thanks. Although any mention of Obama winning would have been lovely.

You've featured his name twice recently; both with losing and loss also in headline.

Seemed to me that you turned to VP speculation rather than headline Obama's feats.

Hillary Clinton just announced that she is proud to be a coal miner's daughter.

One day her father was shootin' at some food,
and up from the ground come a bubblin' crude.
(Espresso, that is. Cafe Latte.)
So they loaded up the truck and moved to Wellesley Hills.
Swimming pools. Preppies.

The Chosen One will care in November when he loses the presidency to McBush.

Go ahead, Obama, you and your supporters should just keep pissing people off! You will all need a waaaambulance in November when you blame Obama's crushing defeat on the Clintons.

Great plan, you guys have it all figured out when explaining why Obama will lose, too bad you can't figure out how to win the GE.

A good start would be a conciliatory attitude but that isn't what backing Obama is about. "New" politics and "change" means pissing on solid supportive voting blocs of the Democratic party. Not smart, you behave this way at your own peril.

Cut the "anyone that doesn't like Obama is a racist" crap already. It is tired and it is stupid. Not only that, it is a definite LOSER for the general election. Which is exactly what we will be calling your candidate in November.

Clinton does best in the states where, not too long ago, she could have owned Obama as a slave.

Dear idiot: I am not an idiot. I am someone who believes in fair play.

And the headlines have been atrocious in terms of conveying the facts on the ground.

Whether that is Craig or CQ staff, I do not know. But noticed the trend after Iowa.

And stop hiding behind a name made up for one post.

You are a coward.

"Ten generations of cousins marrying.
That's Hillary's base."

Welcome to the Democratic party of Barack Obama. Blue collar workers, non-college and poor people need not apply. Hard to tell if you are stupiid or just arrogant, Nash. I suspect a bit of both. A not very bright but just as whiny Holden Caufield all grown up.

Heather says "This Hillary must withdraw from the race is a media elitist invention and this "scorched earth" term is another media invention"

Heather, you forgot to remind everyone that Obama is a Media fabrication too.

Barack Obama is quite taken with Oregon ... perhaps too much so http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/barack-obama-do.html#more

Ron Paul's troops quietly take over some local GOP groups
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/04/ronpaul.html

Don't forget Kentucky, nash.

Karen: I don't hear anyone pissing on any voting blocs.

It is you fighting keyboarders here slinging insults back and forth.

Time to put aside the rancor and step outside the foxhole. You will find more allies there than you expect.

(Love it -- my captcha is kkn msm -- which I think most of us should do. Thank God for the internet!)

Patsi
Hillary said the Republican party left her more than she left it (back in college). Maybe that's what the Democratic party is doing to us. At least that's what I keep hearing. They keep saying they don't need Hillary's supporters. That they've built a new coalition.

Patsi: Turnout may be light in WV. On primary day they're having a Burt Reynolds film festival.

Meanwhile, out in Oregon, where Obama will win, they'll be showing post-war Italian neo-realism.

"Smokey & the Bandit" vs "The Bicycle Thief."

Smokey & The Bandit? What's that?

pogo: Kentucky stayed in the union when Lincoln said they could keep their slaves. (He lied).

Time to put aside the rancor and step outside the foxhole. You will find more allies there than you expect."

Dog, maybe you should take your own advice.

I just had a delightfully malevolent idea

Mc Cain - Republican
Barr - Libertarian
Obama - Democratic

AND

Clinton/Gore - Green

You gotta admit, it would be fun.

Hillary said the Republican party left her more than she left it (back in college). Maybe that's what the Democratic party is doing to us. At least that's what I keep hearing. They keep saying they don't need Hillary's supporters. That they've built a new coalition.

Posted by: Meg | May 12, 2008 4:06 PM

I never heard that...is the really true? Can you google and provide a link?

Nash: Your elitist rantings sum up very nicely why Democrats haven't won a Presidential election since Bill Clinton. One citizen, one vote. You may not think West Virginians are worthy of participating in the Democratic process but the Constitution, and many of us in the Democratic party, say different.

Brian: "Smokey & the Bandit" is Reynold's best work. He should have gotten the Oscar but you KNOW how Hollywood is dominated by Merlot-sipping elitists.

Really nash - states like OH, PA, NY, MA, CA, or like in AL, MS, GA, SC, NC, LA, VA (which if you'll recall, WV was part of in slavery days and Obama won it)?

Meg, I assure you, I am a non-rancorous person.

Have not been posting or reading as frequently lately because this has become a pretty toxic website.

Also: WHO said Obama does not need Clinton's supporters to win?

That makes no sense to me -- the next president will need a broad base of supporters and must draw independents and moderate Republicans too.

How could Hillary's supporters not be a valuable and valued resource for any candidate?

I think you guys have your own reality and maybe even your own weather pattern in here!

I think you guys have your own reality and maybe even your own weather pattern in here!

Posted by: dog hussein dog | May 12, 2008 4:17 PM

Oh Dog...no way...their just in the mood for some Obamabutt! Things will settle down when the Primary is over and it will get much better after the GE.

Ally: Was Bill Clinton a Democrat? I couldn't tell.
= caved in to industry lobbyists on health care
= welfare "reform" (screw the poor)
= NAFTA (corporate profits up, wages down)
= with his help, Republicans seized control of Congress for the first time since 1932.
Yeah. We need more of that.

Ah, only Burt Reynolds movie I've ever seen was Deliverance.

nash - with respect to Kentucky - I was referring to the ten generations of cousins marrying. It's kind of like the "toothbrush" joke. WV & KY accuse each other of both - like AL & MS.

reposted from last topic:

Jamie: I tried to have a rational discussion with Clinton supporters for weeks, but all I got was abuse. Now I'm returning the favor.

My criticisms of Hillary are substantive. If you look at a (Democratic) political columnists, my opinions are fairly mainstream. She has fewer and fewer supporters every day. It really is just like the Alamo.

So grab a musket and put on your Davy Crockett hat.

Posted by: nash | May 12, 2008 1:32 PM

Nash that is rich... all you've been doing is making racist charges aimed at ruffling the feathers of Clinton supporters. Really, if you call your insults, racism charges and pedantic behavior "rationality", then you really ARE a sorry example of a representative in higher education. Nash, in SPITE of you, and people like you, I am going to vote Obama. Perhaps you and your other pedantic allies should consider that the "nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah -- I know you are, but what am I?" attitude is simply adding fuel to the split between Clinton and Obama supporters.

You really DO want Hillary supporters to not support Obama, don't you? Your charge that they are Republicans anyway is total fabrication. If Obama wins the nomination (likely) and then loses in November, people like yourself who has continued to fuel the divisions will be able to look in the mirror and say to themselves "Congratulations... YES WE DID".

Posted by: EuroTom | May 12, 2008 3:15 PM

Nick,

There's this little cartoon angel on one shoulder and a little cartoon devil on the other and the cutie with the pitchfork occasionally gives a three pronged goose to the one wearing the white dress.

And this site doesn't ever seem all that "toxic" to me, as you put it.

Donna Brazile cnn: Paul, you're looking at the old coalition. A new Democratic coalition is younger. It is more urban, as well as suburban

pogo: Given your list of states won & lost, I guess Obama can win "socially conservative" white votes. So, is HIllary lying, or just deluded?

Craig,

Maybe all that is part of the New Politics us schlerotic guys just can't get.

We don't get it, man.

So we better get lost... or get with the program... or get a get (Jewish divorce) from a reality that is just too hip for the room.

I'm not much of a merlot drinker nash. I'm more of the school, wine is fine, but liqueur is quicker. Alas most of my friends are not of that school and think a well stocked cellar makes up for a well stocked bar. It doesn't!

pogo: We've got that kind of humor in northern Maine.

Q: How do you compliment someone in northern Maine?

A: "Nice tooth."

I think if you are a disheartened Clinton supporter, and you feel the need to vote Democratic in the fall (assuming Obama is the nominee), it might be advisable to avoid political blogs such as Craig's. When I read Nash's comments, I so want to NOT vote for Obama. And yet I want the Dems to win. If the attacks on Hillary and her supporters continue so much in ernest, I am going to have to take a break!

UNITY 2008

ET have you turned a blind eye to what has been said about Obama on this blog for months and months.

Pogo, around here, inbreeding not only makes you smarter, but also meaner. But it looks like some other states have managed to filter out the "smart" gene.

Karen: I don't hear anyone pissing on any voting blocs.

- dog

You might not hear it, but you should try reading this blog more often ... just start with anything Nash posts.

As for the foxhole mentality ... that has been an integral part of the Obama playbook. I.E: Any criticism of Candidate Obama is racially motivated.

EuroTom: so read other commenters. You will find several Obama supporters you can make common ground with.

Enough of the differences; time to focus on working together to save our country.

Reminder:

1) Supreme Court
2) independent Justice Dept -- no political firings of US attorneys
3) Guantanamo Bay
4) torture
5) US role and image in the world
6) the environment
7) green technology
8) providing a good education and future for our chidlren and fellow Americans
9) helping Mexico, Haiti and other Western and Southern hemisphere countries develop their economies and provide opportunities for their citizens
10) putting US innovation to work in developing new products and technologies
11) universal affordable health care for American citizens, with emphasis on preventative measures

Isn't there a LOT we could find in common, rather than quibbling and knashing over every perceived slight?

Lotso work to be done, folks.

And as much as I like John McCain, that agenda is not necessarily his.

I guess that would be all the states Obama won aye jeejee?

ET: Why do you get so upset when someone calls you a racist? Oh. You mean there are "rules," things one should not say in political discussion?

But you can't see why Obama supporters are upset about Hillary's comments about race. You think what she and her surrogates said (over and over again) was OK.

As soon as they started losing, the Clintons turned this campaign into a vile slugfest. So stop whining.

Brian

All the remarks (other than Gordo) about Sen. Obama have been about inexperience or being overly ambitious. For the most part, he has been called intelligent, charismatic, etc. (Well I DID call them Lord and Lady MacBeth but that was under duress)

The remarks about Sen. Clinton have called her every ugly name in the book, bashed her husband, and insulted her daughter. In addition, her proponents have been insulted and slandered. You have been the guiltiest party of all with a slash and burn attitude that has bordered on cruelly psychotic at times.

Don't bother with the poor Obama pity party.

Jamie,
Is there anyone on the planet that Gore hates more than Hillary? Don't look for them in a third party ticket anytime soon.

I do not understand what it is about most of the Obama supporters being so very angry and misinformed. My first experience was at our County convention. I was shocked and frankly a bit frightened by the venom and incorrect talking points they were spewing. Kind of seemed like a bunch of pod people or zombies (mean ones). If this is the "new generation of voters for change and hope, I want no part of it.

I do not understand what it is about most of the Obama supporters being so very angry and misinformed. My first experience was at our County convention. I was shocked and frankly a bit frightened by the venom and incorrect talking points they were spewing. Kind of seemed like a bunch of pod people or zombies (mean ones). If this is the "new generation of voters for change and hope, I want no part of it.

Frank,

I didn't believe there was any hope for it. I just think it would be loads of fun.

Alene, the same thing happened in the Washington caucus. It bordered on scary.

Obama walks on water:
http://media.nationalreview.com/

Alene: I have not met any angry or misinformed Obama supporters. Usually quite the reverse.

Are you a concern troll?

http://www.wowowow.com/post/everything-i-hate-about-myself-i-see-hillary-judy-bachrach

nogrudge: you are quoting National Review? Hello?

Hillary supporters don't like to be called "racist." You don't think you are. If your candidate uses race to win, that's OK. The majority of general election voters are racist, but not her, not you. She's just acknowledging a fact: a black man can't win.

The GOP doesn't have your problem. They KNOW they're racist and they don't care. Karl Rove just laughs when anyone calls him a racist. You can learn from him.

Show me something I've said about the Clintons that isn't true Jamie.

incorrect talking points they were spewing. Kind of seemed like a bunch of pod people or zombies (mean ones). If this is the "new generation of voters for change and hope, I want no part of it.

Posted by: alene

alene, i couldn't agree more.
It is gratifying to see that there is real resistance to Obama on this blog and the canards the MSM are spewing haven't weakened the resolve of the stalwart Hillary supporters. Obama has been a harbinger of calculated divisiveness and this is not the "change" I want for this country either.

toast

,
There are African Americans,Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Arab Americans,Native Americans, etc.And then there are just Americans
Some pass me on the street

and sneer in my direction. .
They Call me "White boy,"

"Cracker," "Honkey,"
"Whitey," "Caveman,"

.....And that's OK.

They have the United Negro College Fund.
They have Hispanic History Month.
They have Martin Luther King Day.
They have Asian History Month.
They have Black History Month.
They have Cesar Chavez Day.
They have Ma'uled Al-Nabi.
They have Yom Hashoah.
They have Kawanza.
They have the NAACP.
And BET.

If we had WET

(White Entertainment Television)

.....We'd be racists.
If we had a White Pride Day
.....You would call us racists.

If we had the White History Month

.....We'd be racist.
We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce,

a Black Chamber of Commerce,

and then we just have the plain

Chamber of Commerce.

Wonder who pays for that?

If we had a college fund that only gave

white students scholarships

.....You know we'd be racists.
There are over 60 openly-proclaimed

Black-only Colleges in the US,

yet if there were "White-only Colleges"

.....THAT would be a racist college.

In the Million-Man March,

you believed that you were

marching for your race and rights.

If we marched for our race and rights,

.....You would call us racists.

You are proud to be black,

brown, yellow and red,

and you're not afraid to announce it.

But when we announce our white pride

.....You call us racists.

You rob us,

carjack us,

and shoot at us.

But, when a white police officer

shoots a black gang member

or beats up a black drug-dealer

who is running from the LAW and

posing a threat to ALL of society

.....You call him a racist.

I am proud.

.....But, you call me a racist.

Why is it that only

whites

can be racists?

"If this is the "new generation of voters for change and hope, I want no part of it."

Alene, I agree.

"If this is the "new generation of voters for change and hope, I want no part of it."

Alene, I agree.

Craig, "why is he campaigning hard in Oregon?"

I would go one step further, why is Obama campaigning at all at this point, since he, his team & his media contingent, have essentially called it for him--there should be no reason to bother at all.

just flies in the face of your accusation, nash - he's won more of the slave states that won't vote dem in Nov. as they say, BFD.

The joke I meant - The toothbrush was invented in WV [or ME, AL, MS, KY, etc.]. If it had been invented anywhere else, it would be the teethbrush.

'bye, all. back manana.

Wow Ruth, just wow!

Let me see if I can explain this to you Ruth, I know I shouldn't be wading into these waters, cause in all candor you're more than old enough to understand it by now.

Ruth no one ever turned a fire hose on your for wanting to sit at the luncheon counter at Woolworth's

And no one ever spit on your children because they wanted to go to school.

spat, not spit.

OK painter/ruth: so there is work to be done in building bridges over the next few months.

Thank you for letting us know where you are coming from; it was a very honest post.

Perhaps Obama's presumptive candidacy will lead to some long-needed discussions among all of us.

And no calling each other racists or elitists allowed on this blog.

It is not productive and obstructs the concern under discussion and is polarizing.

Dear Craig,

Watched you on Morning Joe and I congratulate you for standing on your principles and logic to reply back to Chris "Obama" Matthews. It is incredible that one cannot talk about race-Matthews was "creaming" with Obama's Penn. speach talking about race, but one cannot bring it up if it hurts his candidate. You gave it to him as best you could and still appear on MSNBC, in saying you are trying to portray both sides. Why doesn't anyone bring up Obama making a speech about the makeup of the prison population among blacks or one parent families. He should pick Bill Cosby as his VP mate, at least someone and something might be done about a problem that Chris "Obama" Matthews will never touch, nor will Obama. Keep up the great commentary.

Brian,

I stopped saving your attacks ages ago. Since you have no conscience, it was a useless exercise.

Just for the record, I happen to agree with your 5:09 post.

m

The more I learn about Obama (and the people behind him), the easier it will be to vote for McCain. The Dem Party leadership has betrayed Hillary, I'd like to see her "explode" the party and ensure a McCain victory along with a Repub takeover of the House and Senate. It may be the only way to save the country from a group that is even worse than the Loony Left or Rabid Right.

" I haven't been attention to the news today how many has Hillary gotten?"

Keep it up Brian. You could cause me to sit this out after all.

Sometimes it pays to change direction

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVF44IRYHdw

Hey Dog Brian started it.Called me a racist idiot.

Folks: please note GORDO's 5:30 post. He truly does want to aid in exploding the Dem party, or anything else he can.

I wonder if some of the folks here are getting paid for their work misdirecting others.

With blogs, you do not always know who you are dealing with. There are many examples of that here.

"How could Hillary's supporters not be a valuable and valued resource for any candidate?"

Dog -- it's obvious you don't read a lot of the posts in here. Aside from the pure stupidity (Nash, Brian, Bye Bye) there's malevolence (see same).

"Ah, only Burt Reynolds movie I've ever seen was Deliverance. "

And I bet you squeeled like a pig.

I didn't write that post just copied it.With all the racist comments being thrown towards Hillary supporters I thought it was appropriate.We have been called racist just because we do not trust Obama and do not believe all the propaganda coming from his campaign.
Ruth

What a grand life is shared here by all.

But I've got to congratulate everyone: this is as near to condensing seven years of cancer into one anguished, painful afternoon as a bunch of people who largely deserve so much better can get.

And Brian?

Whether you know your ass from your elbow is such a small, indifferent matter.

But what does matter is that you don't know your ass from your mouth.

Folks on this blog keep accusing nash of being elitist. The most elitist thing I've seen here today was Maxtrue challenging nash to dueling testi...er...prep schools.

Obama is like Buzz Lightyear in Toy Story. Hillary is like Woody. Remember how the kid liked Woody and then he got Buzz Lightyear? Buzz became his favorite toy. All the kids wanted Buzz Lightyear for Christmas that year, nobody wanted Woody.

Dog

To my knowledge none of Sen. Clinton's supporters have actually greeted Sen. Obama or his wife and children with boos and catcalls. Hillary, Bill, and Chelsea have been subjected to that several times by the Obama crowd.

dog hussein dog ----------------

Just think of me as the "Bill Ayers" of Craig's blog.

Dog,

No one has thought of Gordo as speaking for himself from day one. He pretty much just trolls for Taylor Marsh type sites. It doesn't make sense to equate him with the strong supporters of Sen. Clinton here.

Brian,
The past should not be forgotten but it should be left in the past..I don't think water hoses are used today and children aren't being spat on.There still may be some of that happening but on the whole I think there have been vast improvements.And you can't hold the entire white community responsible.There were many whites who helped with the underground railroad.In fact we have a monument near here where many escapees were housed in Princeton Illinois.That was before my time.
The Irish,The Polish The Jew The Japanese all at one time were treated badly in this country.That doesn't excuse what happened to the African's who were kidnapped and brought here as slaves.There were many whites from Europe who were also brought to this country and were indentured slaves.They were allowed to work for there freedom,but it was still slavery.
But to constantly calling racist because many of us will never vote for Obama brings out the worst in a lot of us.
Ruth

"Folks on this blog keep accusing nash of being elitist."

I never called Nash an elitist. He's not smart enough to be an elitist. He's just trying his best to be a prick.

Since Gordo is always going on about Bill Ayers ... let the man speak for himself

http://billayers.org/

"Just think of me as the "Bill Ayers" of Craig's blog."

I knew Bill Ayers
Bill Ayers was a friend of mine
You , Sir, are no Bill Ayers

You gotta throw bombs around, Gordo me boy<
Not these internet bombs you've been laying.

You know . Blow up people, mangled bloody bodies and all that fun stuff

Ah, those were the days.

Ruth:

The thing about racism is that no one living today "started it". Like Obama said in his speech - it existed right from the start of this Country.

And even though we are far from perfect. We are better than a heck of a lot of other countries and we have made significant progress, especially since the 60's.

(And just remember - Senator Obama did not car jack you ; )

m

nash....what is wrong with you? if you are typical of BHO supporters you are proof positive that he has devided the party. I never see that kind of hate coming from Clinton people.

Some of the "strong supporters" of Hillary are so forgiving. Obama's campaign has "trashed" the Clinton Presidency and has a sizeable portion of the nation believing that they are racists. I am not able to forget that, but it appears many of you can.

Breaking News: Obama to visit Grand Rapids , Mi. on Wednesday night.

"Obama brings out the worst in a lot of us."

Absolutely wrong Ruth.

Politics brings out the worst in a lot of us.

Corey,

I love the "Buzz Lightyear" analogy. It's absolutely perfect.

I'm sticking with Woody : )

Wow go grocery shopping and I missed so much. Ruth what can I say, I call em as I em.

*pulls out a chair for patsi* by all means dear sit this one out.

ET

One thing I like about a blog is that I can look ahead and see the names of those who are posting and avoid reading posts from those I have learned are pretty nasty. You are right and it is sad that Obama supporters, as a group, are pretty nasty. They deny it and even in their denials they are really nasty. Talk about no insight. Just look back today for examples.

Hillary folks, on the other hand, are more often nice,

I like this blog because it has many Hillary supporters and they keep me up to date on other information out there that I miss because I gave up most of the other MSM.

Unlike yourself, I will not vote for Obama just because he calls himself a Democrat and he is the nominee but I reserve the right to change my mind.

I think McCain leans a little Democratic and I wonder if some of what seems to be Republican may not be just his sucking up to the party. You can't ever really know that.

McCain has certainly paid his dues and has more experience. I really don't think he would do anything real crazy. I hope we get more Democratic support in the House and Senate. Maybe a balance wouldn't be such a bad thing. Lots of rationalizations here.

With what I do know and what I still don't know about Obama at this time I don't want him to acquire all the power that our current president has stolen himself .

Warren
I should have left some of that post out especially about shooting and car jacking.I didn't read it as carefully as I should have.I did leave some of the more agregious parts out.I wanted to point out that we are being called racists far too much,and I guess I for one was tired of it.
Ruth

I didn't say Obama brings out the worst of us .I said being called racist because we wouldn't vote for him does.
Ruth

Just to lighten it up a bit ... for all the Attorneys (and anybody likely to end up in court)

http://kalimna.blogspot.com/2008/02/grandma-goes-to-court.html

Patsi no one for a minute thinks Tenn. is going to go for Obama. Geez Harold Ford has spent decades kissing right wing Tenn. butt and he couldn't get elected to the Senate from the state. So by all means sit this one out, you have no powers here, be gone before someone drops a house on you too.

HRC has worked long and hard to get to where she is today. I am proud of her and proud to support her.
I hate to say it, but I truely believe that if BHO was just plain white he would have long ago gone by the wayside. He has no record, he has no policy thought of his own. What he has going for him is the love of the media and their willingness to call anyone who doesnt think he walks on water a racist. You know what, that is not enough to take chage of this country. We need someone willing to fight for what she believes is right. If I was in a bind and had to pick one of them to help me, I'd pick the 'nasty bitch'. At least I know where she stands.

Hillary could have won Tennessee.

Brian,
were you nursed on sour milk? You must have gotten alot of it. The energy it must take to come up with all the snappy, snarky, jerky one liners boggles my mind.
alene

Gordo: "The more I learn about Obama (and the people behind him), the easier it will be to vote for McCain. The Dem Party leadership has betrayed Hillary, I'd like to see her "explode" the party and ensure a McCain victory along with a Repub takeover of the House and Senate. It may be the only way to save the country from a group that is even worse than the Loony Left or Rabid Right."

Gordo, reading a sampling of what's here today, I'm starting to agree with you.

requires no energy at all, they flow like water over niagra when one has so much material to work with.

h

hey brain, you think you have material to work with, just wait until the GOP starts up on BHO

"requires no energy at all, they flow like water over niagra when one has so much material to work with. "

Of course, there's your delusion that any of them are actually witty.

Monday, May 12, 2008
SUPPORT THE OBAMA TRUTH WEEK!

http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/

Warren, I posted a link which reviews the issue of SOF, a favorite imaginary tool for Democrats to use in their imaginary solutions. Did you bother to read it? Do you think Pelosi will dounble that number without destroying SOF or that can be done wihtout further declne of conventional capabilities which are largely responsible for counter-insurgency tactics? And this doubling will be achieved under Obama's calls for defense cuts including halting missile deffense?

Well here is a post from the last thread. If Hillary said she was professor the Press would call it lying. I will post it because you seem to fail to grasp the reall issue.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/03/sweet_obama_did_hold_the_title.html

By common university rules stated before this became an issue, Obama was not a professor. Then the University of Chicago tried to do Obama and itself a favor by clarifying, but the point ifor Obama s the exaggeration. For a while Obama touted being the chair of an important sub comittee too. When news got out that he never has held a single meeting, he dropped that from his resume as he has dropped referring to himself as a professor. After the NYT article on his record in the Senate, he backed off his claim of what a bipartisan beacon he was. If you're right, why doesn't he keep using the title professor? Do you always take a jury for idiots?

The point about the Professor and his record of boldness in Chicago speaks to his eagerness to exaggerate and most Americans know what a professor is and what bold is. Obama did not do what a full professsor does, nor did he say publically he was less than a full professor. He hails bills he signed as though he sponsored or wrote them himself.

And then you call taking issue with the very "expert" people Obama selected to advise his foreign policy, is guilt by association? Yep, a fine lawyer Warren. Was not Rumsfeld a reflection on Bush's judgment? That a defendent hung out with the Crips has no bearing in an assault case?

You call the damage done to Obama and Michelle in advancing the notion the Obama's having never known of the very issues now lampooned of Wright on TV for twenty years? That Obama denounced him only after he attacked Obama isnot obvious to we the jury? And that Moss is a great Paster, the very same Pastor that strongly defends Wright, is really a change we hoped for?

And of course it is guilt by association that Obama started in Chicago with a grant from the Ayers and help from Rezko. Did Obama ever blast Rezko before he was indicted and helped Obama with his house, that Rezko was a slumlord? Did he lament the endorsement of what Rezko did to the housing designed for poor people, poor Black people?

Yeah, all this is guilt by association. Obama responds only when the polls are threatening him. Weeks before the Wright explosion, Obama told the press Wright was not controversial. This is a fine moral compass. If you were a trial lawyer and that was your best you would have a poor record of winning. You want me to accept a line of reasoning no jury would accept. A lawyer should know this stuff kills and have told his client long ago to pre-empt this "problem", but in his supreme arrogance, Obama is a law unto himself and he will try to convince the jury that if they convict him, they are merely convicting themselves.

Now that is some incredible lawyering. Let's hope the jury isn't stupid enough to buy it.

And again, did the article on SOF make sense to you? And imagine our doubling plans with Obama in power. And also note the decline of conventional forces hurting the critical role SOF was designed to play by diverting their mission and lowering their standards. You said it yourself that SOF should do counter-insurgency which is the function of a well lead conventional force. You make the same mistake Pelosi does. Seeing what the Democrats plan to do with that force, I can understand your mistake in offering an impractical fix of misusing SOF.

Now here is some hypocricy. West Virginia doesn't really count. Why worry about States that don't count? Well when Hillary said that about many of the Red State victories is was an outrage.

Warren you must love Cafferty.

9/11 be careful, some of the stuff here is even capable of dumbing down one's immune system.

Time for sane news coverage ... BBC America

I have to say I'm disappointed with only 4 SDs for the day.

I hear you Gordo...

So my message to my Democrat readers today, visit HillaryClinton.com, support her candidacy, and let’s have an election with truly the 2 best candidates to move this country forward. And if god forbid, Obama does win this nomination, then consider this: Who can better work to protect America, end the polarization that exists in Washington, and reform our government? The Republican Candidate with Joe Lieberman standing at his side, or the other one with Ted Kennedy at his side.

My message to my Independent and Republican readers today: Support John McCain, contribute to his campaign, and spread the truth about Obama.
J Brown Politically Drunk.com
5/12/2008

In case any of you missed it

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/play.shtml?mea=250052

Hey

You democrats sure have a lot of fun in here, mud wrestling must be the official sport of the democrat party.

Some one said that there were paid McCain staff posting here, wish they would hire me. I could use the money.
The only one that might be on the McCain payroll is Nash.
Obama supporters may not be the sharpest tool in the shed but even an Obama supporter is not that dumb.

I like the idea of Clinton Gore as a green party ticket.
That ticket in the race gets me everything I want.

McCain for prez. and a stronger Democrat congress.

So while all of you are wrestling in the great democrat mud pit, my man McCain is busy running to the center.
Did you notice that Craig? Or are you too busy wrestling too.

McCain is polishing his green image.

"McCain goes green in West Coast speech"
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/election2008/story/36754.html

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

Friends don't let friends put the Supreme Court at risk!
Vote Democrat in 2008!

Hey
I guess everyone knows that Obama has started wearing a flag pin.

At least he is learning something,
When in Rome you shoot off Roman candles.
Too late to do him any good now.
maybe next time

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

John McCain said again , "I am not George Bush."
This time talking about climate change etc.
Bush sold out to the evangelicals for his second term,evangelicals are likely to stay home this year.
McCain needs to find something to replace them in the Republican coalition from 2004. Whoever suggested Todd-Whitman as a vp choice is on the right track. I think McCain will run to the center. Also I heard speculation that Bob Barr running on some third party ticket might be a problem for McCain. I think that is silly.

http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/News/Speeches/0b381abd-e573-459d-8716-fbd83ab62d8d.htm

Pat B. is trying to revive the Civil War!!

He said WV is part of the Confederacy - but Obama is going after VA - because those nothern Virginians are leading a movement to secede from the Confederacy.

(Is this a time warp . . . or is it that Pat. B is just warped?)

Friends don't let friends put the Supreme Court at risk!
Vote Democrat in 2008!

Why an Obama/Clinton ticket is nuts

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10242.html

and why it isn't

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10241.html

Great little Short segment for Obama. I admire the last parapgrah.

... Obama On Hamas Smear: "We Don't Do Nuance Well In Politics"

Barack Obama sat for a lengthy interview with Jeffrey Goldberg where he discusses Israel, his connection to Chicago's Jewish community, and Middle East policy. He also had these comments about the recent attacks on him because of the kind words he received from a member of Hamas.

JG: Why do you think Ahmed Yousef of Hamas said what he said about you?

BO: My position on Hamas is indistinguishable from the position of Hillary Clinton or John McCain. I said they are a terrorist organization and I've repeatedly condemned them. I've repeatedly said, and I mean what I say: since they are a terrorist organization, we should not be dealing with them until they recognize Israel, renounce terrorism, and abide by previous agreements.

JG: Were you flummoxed by it?

BO: I wasn't flummoxed. I think what is going on there is the same reason why there are some suspicions of me in the Jewish community. Look, we don't do nuance well in politics and especially don't do it well on Middle East policy. We look at things as black and white, and not gray. It's conceivable that there are those in the Arab world who say to themselves, "This is a guy who spent some time in the Muslim world, has a middle name of Hussein, and appears more worldly and has called for talks with people, and so he's not going to be engaging in the same sort of cowboy diplomacy as George Bush," and that's something they're hopeful about. I think that's a perfectly legitimate perception as long as they're not confused about my unyielding support for Israel's security.

"Friends don't let friends "

Many of us feel that the friends here may be few and far between.

"Friends don't let friends put the Supreme Court at risk!
Vote Democrat in 2008!"

Hey
Divided government solves that problem.
Without all the baggage Obama is going to have satisfying all his wingnut's demands.

That is why you should say

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

Obama does not have wingnuts.

Pay no mind to pugnacious.

"Many of us feel that the friends here may be few and far between. "

Not that I've noticed, the Obama supporters have done a good job of preparing the ground.

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

Friends don't let friends put the Supreme Court at risk!
Vote Democrat in 2008!

Not Bush:

"I think McCain will run to the center."

Everyone runs to the center in the general. (One of these reasons I think Hillary is less electable than Obama is because she has taken "hard left" positions in the primary - e.g., 60-day withdrawal no matter what - and government mandates on healthcare. I don't think most of the Country is there yet on these two issues - especially not with McCain making a compelling argument on the other side and hammering on these two points as "wedge issues".)

McCain is already center-Right. But that Right comes with a big R because the GOP will not fully support John if he does not continue to push his strong record on "pro-life" issues and Judges that must meet the "pre-conditions" of his base. And don't forget the Bush tax cut's that McCain once strongly opposed - is a concession McCain had to make to earn the nomination.

And despite what the National Review says, Obama is center-Left. And while the GOP will repeat over and over again - that a Right Wing propoganda rag tagged Obama as the "most Liberal" Senator - and that we should be suspicious of his past - that will not be what this election is about. Americans are better than that - and they will be focusing on each candidate's "vision for the future."

And to all you Right Wingers out there - have fun painting this as a "liberal" - in the pejorative tone you give that term - agenda:

-END the Bush Doctrine and EVOLVE American foreign policy

-Make HEALTH CARE more affordable and accessible
IMMEDIATELY and get us on the road towards UNIVERSAL health care

-Stop the trickle-down ECONMICS and turn on the faucet through TAXES and EDUCATION

-Pass a comprehensive IMMIGRATION bill and ensure that our boarders are SAFE

-LEAD the world on fighting terrorism, speading human rights and protecting our environment

pug...

You clearly haven't been paying attention to the do-nothing, kowtowing Congress under the leadership of Pelosi and Reid, both of whom need to be replaced.

Friends don't let friends put the Supreme Court at risk!
Vote Democrat in 2008!

All HRC supporters can vote for Hillary in NOV, in good conscience, by write-in at the top of ticket. Then continue the Democratic vote down ticket. Senators, Reps, etc so the Congress will be veto proof. All the issues of great concern, i.e. supreme court, appointees, even Iraq if we cut off funding, can be done by the Congress. McCain will get nothing through.

I cannot vote for Obama simply because he is not qualified. I have a dear friend, very intelligent, who is a State Senator and 3 yrs in the US Senate would not qualify him to be President either.

I am truly angered by the fact tBO has trashed the Clinton Presidency and convinced many that Bill is a racist when Obama threw the first volatile. BO has divided this party not Hillary. His "new" coalition is a loser!!

You go Gordo, re: 5:30.

For myself, I get really tired of explaining about reverse racism, you people who don't understand who really played the race card here are thick, thick, thick. This is a guy who couldn't even make it to the State of the Black Union in New Orleans and maybe it's just as well since Dick Gregory would have put him in much the same position that Rev. Wright did, and he still gleans 92% of the AA vote - that should tell you something. There are so many severe problems to be solved, not now, but right now and this arrogant airhead, and the sleaze standing behind him couldn't care less as long as Teddy and Teresa get back the party power. Imagine Teddy coming out and saying that BO reminded him of his brother, that is pure unadulterated BS and he should writhe in shame, but somebody already said it before, a mean drunk - is a mean drunk and will say anything to get his puppet elected.

In case anyone would like to know what was happening in the world while American media has been obsessive and brain dead:

http://www.bbcamerica.com/content/169/news.jsp

"BowWow All HRC supporters can vote for Hillary in NOV, in good conscience, by write-in at the top of ticket. Then continue the Democratic vote down ticket."

yeah, but bowwow, haven't the Democrats in the house and Sentate been part of our problem. Aside from being cowards in the last couple years, didn't they help bring down Hillary. I'm not jumping to any conclusions her, but I'm just asking the question (before I make up my mind). I will never ever vote for Obama. He's betrayed and trashed the Clinton administration too much and I do not consider him a loyal Democrat.

Poll says Clinton should stay in the race

http://www.abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/1064a208Election.pdf

There are some interesting things in the poll.

Friends don't let friends put the Supreme Court at risk!
Vote Democrat in 2008!

Posted by: harborwoman | May 12, 2008 7:54 PM

Friends don't let friends put the Supreme Court at risk!
Vote Democrat in 2008!

From The Chef NUN!!!

politically pissed: Teddy coming out and saying that BO reminded him of his brother, that is pure unadulterated BS and he should writhe in shame, but somebody already said it before, a mean drunk - is a mean drunk and will say anything to get his puppet elected."

Remember when Michelle Obama said "America is just a mean place" and another time that "America has a hole in it's soul"

I guess she was thinking of Teddy.

Jamie:

I will tell you what is nuts. Is that talk in the media that Obama can't have Clinton as VP becuase he could never be sure if she was working for him - or if she was working for herself. Give me a freaking break! She would be working for the Country.

She would be advocating strongly on what she thought was right - and Obama would have to think long and hard before disagreeing with her - which I think is a good thing.

Another plus - is that America would have less of a problem with a co-VP than a co-President. I have always thought that Bill Clinton can take a more active role in an Obama administration - than HRC's.

My only issue with Hillary on the ticket is I think it appears to run contrary to Obama's message of changing politics in Washington.

There could be way around this. Obama could make clear that it is the President that sets the tone of the debate in Washington - which I think is often the case with good Presidents.

And he could explain that there is no reason to fault HRC for mastering the "old politics" of dvision, distraction and demonizing - or for using those tactics in the primary. The Clintons firmly believe that there is no other way to beat the Republicans except to beat them at their own game.

Obama is not naive and even though his campaign is based on ending the game playing in Wahsington - he knows full-well that sometimes you need to "fight fire with fire". And anybody know of two better "attack dogs" in the Democratic Party than the Clintons?

(Heck - they can even bring "Wolf-boy"!! Even though I have taken some shots at him - Wolfson has gotten better as this campaign has gone on.)

Anyways, it could work - but I think there really needs to be some military experience on the Obama ticket against McCain. Iraq will be front and center in the general election - you can count on it.

(Hagel would seal the deal.)

Meg,

Their constituents should hold them accountable and with a veto proof chamber ther