Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

What a great thread to be the first poster on!

Hey
Brian

Enjoy it while you can.

LOL

Won't be any fun
for the obama bunch
In November

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

http://www.slate.com/id/2191698/

For AnonParanoid, but he won't like it.

I was listening to Air America yesterday. The host said that since Senator Joey has had such success as an Independent, there is no doubt HRC will run as an indy come November.

It's a shame Joan Didion has already used the title, because "The Year of Magical Thinking" would be a great title for a book about Hillary's run for the white house.

The only thing running as an independent would get hillary is a gig as a pundit on MSNBC.

Obama Nearing 3 Million Donations, Raises $31 Million In April

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/20/obama-nearing-3-million-d_n_102776.html

so anyway, it was Randi Rhodes...here's the link to some comments about it...really, does she have the support to raise a hundred million dollars or so to fund an indy run?

http://forums.therandirhodesshow.com/index.php?showtopic=969

Hey
Dexter

Interesting.

Who's base is more secure?

Could put North Carolina in play
the way Brian wants it.

Obama's base
AAs and eggheads are very loyal

My man.
Not so much.

Hillary could steal a lot from my man.

With her base?
She could push it into the house

LOL

Make them stand up and be counted
LOL
Cowardly bastards.

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

...my thoughts are with President Carter this morning as he is deeply saddened at the death of his consigliore , the much-loved Hamilton Jordan, who fought three different cancers a total pf 22 years. Talk about profiles in courage....

NC is in play, don't forget Obama currently has a massive voter reg drive underway throughout the entire country. Your man is prostrate to the RNC begging for funds. It's one of those pesky math issues again, Dem primary turnout versus repug turnout. New voter reg numbers since the primary season began. I'm going to bed.

Bob Schieffer said he believes Sam Nunn (GA) might be Obama's #1 choice come decision time for a veep.
I guess Schieffer thinks that would win the South for Obama.
Kudos to CBS News big-wigs for talking Bob Schieffer out of his upcoming retirement. He was scheduled to retire after the election, now he's signed on to a new contract to remain with Face The Nation. Was Scott Pelley rumored to replace him before all this came about?

"she's learned her lesson"

Mr. Bye-Bye shows his colors again.

"Come here gol-darned you
Take that and that and that
That's right
Slap her down agin' Pa, slap her down agin'"

She'll by gawd learn 'thet lesson.

You fools don't have a clue about the Pandora's Box you've opened.

It's not over yet, and Mr Obama shouldn't take it for granted that we'll want to become part of his fold.

I'm glad he's someone to the DNC to oversee their work between now and the convention, not that he needed to, they've been in his pocket from the start.

I hope Mrs Clinton comes up with at least 50-pct of the pledge delegates from yesterday's voting. It's hard to tell if she will because of the 'unique' formula being used for ballot weighting this year.

Time to send Mrs Clinton another $100. I think that will max me out for the cycle.

Dex, Schieffer was charming on Imus yesterday morning. His reminiscing about Harold Ford and his relationship with his family was especially warm.

I'll be happy listening for so long as he wants to broadcast.

Perfect. Sam Nunn is on the board of GE. That way MSNBC could REALLY get behind Obama.

Ah, shucks, Patsi, whenever a politician joins a board it's strictly platonic,

With Mr Kennedy's political influence significantly diminished because of his illness, will Mr Obama be able to retain the SDs he managed to purloin from Mrs Clinton?

You know, for me, the most egregious thing Obama has done so far is when he said Hillary Clinton's campaign made things better for his daughters. OH MY GOD! What an arrogant and condescending statement.

Yeah, Patsi, I came close to barfing on that one. Yeah, she's broken barriers. What a laugh.

You know, I could have saved a whole bunch of emotional and financial capital if the DNC had, at the start of this whole process, said that there was no point in participating this season because the nomination had already been guaranteed to Mr Obama.

Forgive me if you've read this. My post got lost at the end of the last
thread when Craig changed the topic.

Why I'm A Democrat and I Can't Vote for Obama

The DNC and Obama-zillas think it's okay to kick women to the curb. In the
words of the first woman VP candidate, Geraldine Ferraro, and a strong
Democrat: "Obama ran a sexist campaign. Clinton, with the blessing of Camp Obama, was slammed by the major news outlets using misogamy as their
weapon."

A few of the numerous anti-woman quotes aired by the media:

"Hillary's like everyone's first wife"
"like Glenn Close in "Fatal Attraction"
"stock up on Hillary nut crackers"
"Hillary is only where she is because Bill cheated on her"
"she's a bitch"
"someone get her out of the pant suits"
"listen to her cackle"
"she's like my scolding mother"
"white women are a problem, you know, we all live with that"
"every guy has had a girl friend like her--she won't go away"
"she pimps out Chelsey"
"she's likable enough" Senator Obama

If even one of these kinds of remarks was made by a pundit against
Obama, there would have been outrage--lawsuits would have been
filed, riots would have erupted in the streets, congressional panels would
have been formed.

Yet, the DNC and the rest of the humanitarian-far-left-equality-for-all Obama
Camp thought all these sexist attacks and many more were okay.

These are some of the reasons Obama lost my vote and has lost the vote
of thousands of other women across the country.

If the Dem Party thinks that they can win without us, they're taking a
major gamble. Their arrogant confidence that they can win without
white women over 40 (I'm 43) and the working class vote just might
be the gamble that loses them the election.

"You know, I could have saved a whole bunch of emotional and financial capital if the DNC had, at the start of this whole process, said that there was no point in participating this season because the nomination had already been guaranteed to Mr Obama."

Exactly.

Prof Marcia -- I was going to quote from your post....then I realized I'd ned to quote the whole thing. YES! YES! You have nailed this ugly season.

Prof Marcia - You're speaking for me too. As Patsi says, the fools have no idea what they have unleashed. They're about to find out, though.

Patsi, you're ridiculous. A person fails at something, comes back with better perspective for a second attempt, and you read SEXISM.

Michael Jordan misses a game winning shot. He goes to his left instead of his right. The next time, HE LEARNS HIS LESSON and goes right and scores. Is that SEXIST?

You really do need some help. Whoever abused you really did a job and made you see the world through a very narrow prism. Unfortunately, they've accomplished whatever they wanted from that abuse because they now have you seeing abusers under every bed, behind every closet door and in every blog post. I wonder how you even write books being so myopic. Here's a bit of info for you: Sometimes a rose is simply a rose. Nothing more.

Back to more normal discussions...

HW: Thanks for the kind words. The county north of us took the hit tonight. We are okay, but once again North central Georgia got hammered.

I think the severe weather season is going to be quite active this summer in the Atlanta metro area. It certainly has been an eventful spring. I don't know what is worse, tornadoes or the drought!

"Whoever abused you really did a job and made you see the world through a very narrow prism."

You know -- you are really hysterical. Do you want to know my personal history? I was one of the "chosen ones" -- good student, head cheerleader, homecoming princess, student council in HS -- college sorority chick...and you know what Mr. Bye Bye -- I was one of the very few of that crowd who stood up for people like you at that tender age. I had a great childhood, a funny family who liked to argue politics and camp at the lake. Certainly wasn't all Leave It To Beaver -- but damn fine.

Yes -- I DO know abuse, and here's why -- I saw boys like Brian being called "Squat" in school, and girls being called "tramps" -- and unlike what is now portrayed in bad movies about girls like me, I stepped up to the plate. God knows what you were about. But I'll bet you never stood up for anything or anybody in your life.

Mr. Dem: Is calling out sexism any worse than perceiving racism every where?

Now you know how we feel about your accusing anyone that doesn't kneel at the altar of Obama racists.

You couldn't be more wrong, Patsi. See, when you stand up for something, you need to understand that you pick your battles or you devalue what you're defending. And if you're truly a person who cares about defending the defenseless, you also give up the martyr role by understanding that others care just as much as you. You would have lost your bet, Patsi.

GAKaren, using a negative argument as a way to prove an argument doesn't work. However, perhaps if you dispense with the sarcasm and seriously look at the concerns of Obama followers and our concerns about the Clinton's using race to divide, then Obama followers will do the same when it comes to sexism. But you're not interested in that. It's more entertaining to stay on each side of the fence and be satisfied that your indignation is justified. So be it. But don't look for any understanding from the Obama followers. We'll just think you're as out of step as Geraldine Ferraro interpreting Obama's "wiping of the shoulders" as being a sexist act. You'll believe what you want to believe, even when evidence to the contrary is explained to you.

As I mentioned once before, there is a woman in almost every household in the country. When the, upwardly mobile, better educated, misogynist voters start looking for clean socks and meals on time, they might understand why we resent being dissed.

Condecension( the remarks about breaking barriers and, for his daughters) is as insulting as the verbal rants about, "Annie Oakley", etc.

The man is an arrogant asshole, and what's worse is that he doesn't even know when he's being insulting.

If he wasn't such a puppet, the DNC wouldn't be pushing the SD's into his camp the way they are. He can be controlled, she can't. The back men, (John Kerry, etc.)who couldn't win it themselves, knew the only way to beat her was to throw a minority into the mix to go up against her gender. Let's face it, the MATH that he brags about were all figured out proportionately before the race even began. Anyone who thinks that he can win in Nov.(Idaho, Wyoming, etc.)is truly deluded. You just saw what happened in WV and Kentucky and it will be that way all over the south and west, workers and women.

I am a woman, and I will never vote for someone who has not - paid his dues - I'll stay home first, I just don't believe he's earned it.

"We'll just think you're as out of step as Geraldine Ferraro interpreting Obama's "wiping of the shoulders" as being a sexist act. You'll believe what you want to believe, even when evidence to the contrary is explained to you. "

There were several things I was going to respond to, pal...but this was the ONE. Uh, yeah -- sexist as shit. And the fact you don't recognize it just makes my point.

OH -- and this comment you made: "And if you're truly a person who cares about defending the defenseless, you also give up the martyr role."

I never claimed to be a martyr. I was never burned at the stake for my stands in my high school years. I didn't allow it. A few people tried....and they lost.

I always believed in the words of the great Vernon Jones (google him Bye Bye -- I know you have no idea who he was.)

Rev. Vernon Johns: "If you see a good fight -- get in it."

Mr. Dem: When it comes to sarcasm I am a piker compared to you. You have absolutely no standing to lecture me with all the drivel and garbage you spewed on this blog day after day.

Let's put it this way, if you, Brian and Nash are prime examples of Obama supporters ... I have no desire to be part of your club. You and your candidate have absolutely no desire to have any discussion about sexism because you plainly don't care. It is sickening considering Senator Obama is the father of two daughters. I can only hope that as wome they are never treated the way Hillary Clinton was treated by Senator Obama's campaign, the DNC, Obama supporters and the media.

Senator Obama has used sexism as well as race in his campaign so when you and your candidate start throwing stones you better shore up that big glass house you all live in.

That should read "as women."

Oh, give it a break. I listened to Clinton SURROGATES talk about how Clinton staying in the race was a way to break barriers for women. Gloria Allred talked about it just yesterday, saying that now little girls would be inspired to run for the presidency. How one girl on the trail had a sign saying she would be the "the second woman president". So Obama saying that Clinton breaking barriers is INSULTING? Do any of your actually think, or does it not matter to you?

Arrogant? There's that word again. You're losing. Face it. And so when the person who is winning understands they're winning, it's more than okay for them to act that way. As it is, Obama has tried to spare Clinton's feelings.

And to say that the Dems "threw a minority into the mix" is not only insulting, but weird logic. So you think in a country with 80 percent white people that a black man representing 13 percent of the population has an advantage over a white women? A white woman who had a Super Delegate lead from nearly start to finish. Name recognition. Most of the party insiders. Really? That's an advantage? If you think that's an advantage, then there's no arguing with you because you're not making sense.

GAKaren,

And you can't point to any racial politics used by the Clintons? None? Not even one teeny bitty one?

"As it is, Obama has tried to spare Clinton's feelings."

Oh, now let's not upset the little lady, shall we? She shouldn't have to worry her pretty little head about such things.

Stuff it.

Barack Obama as Clinton supporters would like him.

Barack (hat in hand): Ole Miss, I'se so sorry fo' tryin' to run ag'in ya. I'se meant no harm. Marse Clinton says I'se free, but he freer than me. So since he been so good to me, I'se just step aside fo you.

Hillary (rubbing Barack's head): That's a fine boy, Barry. You just step aside and make sure you listen to the minister down there.

Barack (bright smile): Oh yes, ma'am. He done told us to vote fo' you. I knows I can runs, but my peoples love you, Miss Clinton. I'd feel mighty bad takin' it away from you. So yous takes it.

Hillary: Good, Barry. You go on back to the plantation and we'll let you know when you're ready.

Barack: Thanks you ma'am. You Clintons is so good to poor ole Barry.

Barack skipping away singing..."Zippity Do Dah, Zippity Eh!"

Still can't point to one thing the Clinton's did to use race to their advantage? Not one? Nothing?

"As it is, Obama has tried to spare Clinton's feelings. "

Responding to the above and all that Doo-Da-Doo-Da,

Bye Bye. You are a complete idiot.

Racism- intolerable!

Sexism - Yuk Yuk!!!

Sorry Patsi, not a zero sum game. Neither is worse or better than the other.

So Patsi, did you see one instance of Clinton using racism to advance her campaign?

Mr. Dem: The racist bullshit you speak of is crap that has been dreamed up by Axlerod and the media.

Bill Clinton commented about Jesse Jackson because he was ASKED about Jesse Jackson by a reporter. I know because I saw the entire interview that was looped on every media outlet to show Bill Clinton talking about Jesse Jackson. The reporter asked him a freakin' question about Jesse Jackson in South Carolina, Clinton didn't pull those remarks out of his ass. As for the "fairy tale" remark. Clinton was referring to Obama's stance about the Iraq war vote NOT his campaign. Further, you and the media are holding the Clinton's responsible for Ferraro's remarks but you become incensed when people hold Obama responsible for Reverend Wright's remarks. Hillary Clinton did not sanction the comments Ferraro made any more than Obama sanctioned Wright's comments from the pulpit and his press tour.

Meanwhile, Obama trashed the legacy of one of the most successful Democratic presidents in our country's history. With the help of the media he convinced the AA community that Bill and Hillary Clinton are racists like they had no track record with the community during their years of public service in this country.

Quite frankly, the meme that Clinton ran a racist campaign IS a fairy tale.

So the answer is no. You can't point to ONE instance where Hillary Clinton used race to advance her campaign.

I mean even if you think Hillary is perfect, it would seem very, very unlikely that she wouldn't have one misstep where she used race to appeal to the baser elements of the electorate. And yet, you can't find one, but you're able to find a whole SLEW of sexist comments by the Obama campaign. That's pretty amazing.

Considering the outcome of the primary election so far, how has the Clinton campaign's use of race been an advantage?

From where I'm sitting the race issues were brought up by the Obama campaign on the eve of both the SC and NC primaries. The Obama campaign interjected race into the equation in those instances NOT the Clinton campaign. Try to keep up, Mr. Dem.

BTW, your comment about reporters bringing up Jesse Jackson is untrue. Bill Clinton brought it up unsolicited. Here's the complete transcript from ABC. I can get you another source if you'd like.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/01/false-pushback.html

So will you agree that you were wrong?

"So the answer is no. You can't point to ONE instance where Hillary Clinton used race to advance her campaign."

You answered your own question. I am under no obligation to educate you. I just love when people on blogs sit and argue with themselves and set up scenarios where someone has to give examples or else.

Stop wasting my time.

A transcript from ABC? I saw the interview. I don't give a rat's ass what ABC posted.

"You can't point to ONE instance where Hillary Clinton used race to advance her campaign."

You point to one, Bye Bye....which time was it -- mentioning LBJ or answering a question about black voting patterns in SC?

He was asked about voting patterns, idiot.

Wow, so you can point to each and every perceived sexist slight by Obama, and yet with the candidate you follow, you can't find one time where she used race. Can't even bring yourself to admit it.

When presented with evidence to the contrary about your claim that Bill was somehow edited into appearing racist, you then decide that evidence doesn't matter. In fact, you're not even interested in it. So why would anyone want to believe your "evidence" about sexism coming from the Obama camp?

As for Patsi, you know your candidate better than me. You let me know. Has she had ONE, just one instance, when she used racism to advance her candidacy? That doesn't condemn her as being a bad candidate or person, but I'm interested in whether you can recognize in Clinton what you so freely recognize in Obama.

I mean, what's so hard about that? She is fallible.

Oh, and by the way, Bye Bye -- as one who worked for McGovern, check this report about 2008:

Despite a surge of voting in many states, national primary turnout this year is falling short of the record, set in 1972.

Overall turnout thus far has reached 30.2 percent of eligible voters, short of the reord 30.9 percent set in 1972, according to the Committee for the Study of the American Electorate at American University.

Democrats set records in 23 states, but their overall turnout of 19.3 percent fell short of the 21 percent turnout in 1972, when the party nominated George McGovern.

Please point to voting patterns in the following:

Reporter: Mr. President, Senator Kerry that – had some critical comments too about some of the things that have gone on this week. He said being a former president doesn’t give you a license to abuse the truth. Just wanted your reaction to that.

BC: Yes, but did you notice he didn’t specify anything? You notice that? They never do. They hurl these charges, but nothing is specified. I’m not taking the bait today. I did what I could to help Senator Kerry every time he needed me, and every time he asked me, and I have no -- he can support whomever he wants, for whatever reason he wants, but there’s nothing for me to respond to because I don’t believe in labeling, I think he should have specifics, so today we just want everybody to vote.

David Wright: What does it say about Barack Obama that it takes two of you to beat him?
BC: [Laughs] That’s just bait, too. Jesse Jackson won South Carolina twice, in ‘84 and ‘88. And he ran a good campaign, and Senator Obama's run a good campaign here. He’s run a good campaign everywhere, he’s got a, he is a good candidate, with a good organization.

Sorry Bye Bye -- you question my talking about sexism....I say you are playing a race card.

Good Morning,

Could not sleep, so decided to see if anyone else was up and talking. Prof Marcia, your 2:54 post was excellent oratory for so early in the morning.
Flatus: you home now? 2:46. Yes. spot on.
Patsi - you are the queen of this blog.

You all are in top form this morning.

Why Would we want to listen to anything Randi rhodes has to say..?
julie

Where did I point to each and every perceived sexist slight by Obama, Mr. Dem? EACH and EVERY? You must have me confused with someone else. I never made such claims. I just remarked that is his sexism was sickening because he is the father of two daughters.

A transcript from Jake Tapper of ABC is hardly evidence. Jake Tapper is not an objective source. Nice try, but you are wrong once again.

Now, Mr. Dem answer my question, can you present one instance where I outlined EACH and EVERY seixist comment ever uttered by Barack Obama? Where? Give me proof. Give me proof right now.

Can't you? Where's my proof? Where's the transcript? You can't give an example where I outlined Obama's each and every sexist comment he has ever made over the course of the primary?

Your wrong. Will you admit your wrong? Do it do it RIGHT NOW.

Comparing 2008 with 1972 is about as useful as comparing 1972 with 1948. Different times, circumstances and political situations. Too often, baby boomers can't let go of their old 60s and 70s battles and see every election as either a validation or repudiation of policies that were established forty years ago. If Barack Obama is McGovern, is Hillary Clinton going to be Shirley Chisolm?

Can't give me ONE example, Mr. Dem?

You're wrong ... look at me, I'm so wonderful, I've called someone I don't know on a blog wrong.

I'm king of the world.

What a sorry life you must lead, Mr. Dem.

Hi Julie! I've been up with a sick cat...so might have to take a nap soon. Good to see reinforcements here!

No, you simply made a sweeping generality that he's sexist. So, you're saying that he has multiple instances where he displayed sexist behavior. And you still can't point to one instance where Clinton used racist behavior to advance her campaign. What is it? A secret pact where it's okay to accuse one candidate of being sexist and lamenting that he has two daughters, while not being able to see any faults in the candidate you support?

As for the transcript, I'll get you another source. Maybe they'll be more objective.

Comparing 1972 to 2008 is going to be extremely useful. In November.

Obamaworld will be shaking their heads saying, "What happened? Our candidate was so wonderful? Why didn't he win? How could this have happened?"

Once again it must be pointed out that the general election is not a caucus. Obama supporters cannot go out and bully the American electorate to vote for their Messiah.

"If Barack Obama is McGovern, is Hillary Clinton going to be Shirley Chisolm?"

ROFL! Bye Bye-- just keep digging.

Is there something wrong with Shirley Chisolm? Clinton should be honored to be compared to someone as great as Chisolm.

Don't waste your time Mr. Dem.

I don't care about sources or whatever. Your candidate is a sexist. Using logic here (I know that is difficult for an Obama supporter) why does calling Barack Obama sexist mean that I don't see any flaws in Hillary Clinton?

Talk about sweeping generalizations.

GAKaren,

You may be right or wrong. I don't claim to see the future. What I do see is the present and Barack Obama is the leading candidate to be the Democratic nominee. That means he has a better chance than Hillary Clinton to be president because she won't.

I asked a very simple question: Has Clinton used race ONE time to her advantage during the campaign? Not hard to answer. You answered no. That is just an interesting answer, that's all.

Let's face it, Mr. Dem. I will not be citing any instance where Hillary used race in her campaign. That's Keith Olbermann's job, not mine.

But you do acknowledge that there is the possibility, even a remote one, that she could have used race as a strategy.

If your question is so simple why can't I give you an example?

You know why? I am not a gullible Obama supporter that swallows the media's swill, hook line and sinker. You give me the examples since you are the one that is saying she used race. I don't think she did, so why are you berating me?

"Is there something wrong with Shirley Chisolm? Clinton should be honored to be compared to someone as great as Chisolm. "

Now I know you are REALLY stupid. You must have googled Shirley. Try Barbara Jordan next. I would love for you to admit your age, occupation and history. But you won't. Unlike myself, you are afraid to stand up in front of what you say.

hey bye-bye.......get ready for hillary to take her fight to the floor of the convention........lol

But you do acknowledge that there is the possibility, even a remote one, that she could have used race as a strategy.

When will you acknowledge that there is a possiblity, even a remote one, that the Messiah Obama used sexism?

I cannot believe that Minnie the cat seems fine, and George the dog is now back inside and I'm still awake!!!!

What does any of my personal information have to do with knowing about Shirley Chisolm? Getting back to my question, is there something wrong with comparing Hillary Clinton to her? You said I'm digging a hole, so where was my mistake? What was sexist about it?

bye-bye......what youre doing aint sexist......it's just stupid.......

What is stupid?

Patsi: You would know how old Mr. Dem is if we could use avatars on this blog. He would have that "cool" one of Che Guevara.

What is stupid?

Oh my God, that's too easy.

most of what youve been writing......stand by for the fight at the convention......

I thought I gave you an easy question earlier, but you couldn't answer that. So I'm not to worried about you getting this one.

ROFL, Karen -- yes...

I think Clinton supporters have a different agenda than the candidate you claim to support. Clinton loves the Democratic Party and won't hurt it with a convention floor fight. Even an Obama supporter can see that.

Thank you Patsi, GAKaren and Julie for your kind words about my earlier post this early A.M. "Why I'm A Democrat and Can't Vote For Obama."

I'm glad I captured some of the frustration so many of the Democratic
women are feeling right now.

I'm also tired of the pundits and Washington insiders telling
Clinton supporters that it's time we behaved ourselves and lined up
behind Obama.

Okay, Bye Bye -- you asked why who and what you are has anyything to do with anything -- yet you questioned that I write books and said I must have been abused. TELL us about yourself. OR SHUT THE "F" UP.

bye-bye.....are you the questioner now? lol.....

I ask the questions around here......I'll try to make them easier for you.......and if you cant answer them, then I WIN, i tell you......I WIN! "
----Bye-Bye

jeebus, cant make it up.......go play with your obama action figure, dude.......

Mr. Dem: You're question has no merit because I don't believe she used racism in her campaign. It is a media creation ... just like Barack Obama.

Well Patsi, this is a blog. And on a blog, I can tell you anything you like. Would you believe it? I sent GAKaren a TRANSCRIPT and she said that it was biased. So what does it matter? Okay, I'm Napoleon IV, the restorer of the Napoleonic dynastic to the French throne. There, happy?

As for my comment about your possibly being abused, it was based on your comments and how you react to people. As for your writing, it was based on being myopic, dogmatic and generally abusive to others who disagree with you. How can you be creative with those emotions running through you? That was a genuine question.

as to convention floor fight and hurting the party......
WHAT party? If the party dont work, you cant break it, right?

Let's see us a REAL convention for a change, Bye-bye.........stand by for the real world's intrusion on the obama dreamworks.

Oh God, more questions. You better answer him, Patsi or he will call you stupid.

Thank you GAKaren. You don't think she's used race in her campaign. Okay, at least I now know how to evaluate your accusations against Obama.

Sturge: It's amazing isn't it? There were always fights on the convention floor and now the media has set up the notion that is an aberration and Hillary Clinton is doing something radical.

God forbid we have a primary that wasn't decided right after New Hampshire and Iowa.

Sturg,

So why belong to a party in the first place? Why run for a party's nomination if you decide that it's not worth belonging to? That might be a legitimate way to do politics, Nader, Barr and others believe so. If Clinton thinks the party is broken, she can leave and run as an independent.

STAND BACK! He now KNOWS how to evaluate your accusations!

Mr. Democrat,

I will support GAKaren and tell you directly, "No! There was not one instance
where Hillary or Bill Clinton used racism in this primary."

Bill Clinton was named the first Black president by Maya Angelou. He
was adored by the African American community and so was Hillary.
He built his offices in Harlem.

The media, the DNC and Camp Obama had to turn the Clintons into
racists in order to shore up the Black vote, to insure Obama swept
the AA vote. Simple as that.

So, stop with your silly question, already.

bye-bye......more questions? I have a question for you......will you be in denver fighting for obama during the floor fight for the nomination, or will you be plugging away on a blog axing buncha dumb-ass questions..........

Prof Marcia,

Actually, you have to understand the context of what Maya Angelou was saying. She called Bill Clinton the "first Black president" in order to illustrate his treatment during the impeachment hearings. She didn't mean it literally and has said so. In other words, Bill Clinton's unfair treatment was akin to what happens to black men and as such was the first "black president".

As for Bill Clinton, you are right. He was adored by the black community, not because of his deeds, but because he seemed to listen to the black community more than other presidents. He also knew more about the black community than others. Hillary was actually a mystery to most African Americans. She had her work with the CDF, but she basically got a pass because of Bill.

That said, there's a reason why the black community turned against him. Bill made the mistake of believing that African Americans would tie their political future to him, when there was a qualified African American candidate who could carry the flag of the community, thank you very much. And add Clinton's remarks, which most of you deny, but evidently 92 percent of African American voters don't (and please don't say they were duped. Racism, like sexism for women, is something black people are very familiar with, so they recognize it), the die was cast.

It's easy to say that the media did this or that. It's harder to point to the point to the mistakes of your candidate.

GREAT question, Sturg. I'll be on the floor in Denver.

I'm still waiting to see what was wrong comparing Hillary Clinton with Shirley Chisolm. Patsi said I was digging a hole and I'd like to know what was wrong with the comparison.

good for you, lad.......get ready for a knock-down drag outer........

I'm still waiting to see what was wrong comparing Hillary Clinton with Shirley Chisolm. Patsi said I was digging a hole and I'd like to know what was wrong with the comparison.
--bye bye

what happened to you now know how to evaluate the accusations?

I'm actually looking forward to it. Maybe we can find a reporter who can get removed from the floor like in the 60s because it's so chaotic.

Sorry Sturg, but I didn't understand your question.

Since Mr. Dem has brought up the race issue---

Tonight MSNBC went into full attack mode after Hillary won Kentucky
by 65 to 30. Every pundit stated or suggested that the only reason
Obama lost Kentucky by such huge numbers was because these
are non-educated, poor, working class dumbies who refuse to vote
for a Black person.

CNN and MSNBC constantly use the race card.

Why isn't it racist that 98% of African Americans are voting for Obama? Are they racist against Hillary? Would they all be voting for Obama if he were white?

Hillary and Bill Clinton did not use race in this election. But, Camp Obama
and the media did use sexism and were clearly misogynistic. (refer to my earlier post "Why I'm A Democrat And Can't Vote For Obama)

I'll bet you will be on the floor in Denver -- maybe burning the city? Is that the threat?

One, if I remember correctly, MSNBC pointed out that in states where there was a very low African American population, Obama did very well. The theory is that there's no history of racial tension so he's judged on his merits.

In states where the AA population is 10%, but less than 14%, Hillary wins because there is a history of racial tension. And lastly, in states where there are high numbers of AA's, like 33% in Mississippi, Obama wins because he's able to counteract lower income whites who won't vote for him on the basis of race.

That's not the race card, just the demographics of the voting patterns. As for the AA vote, it's easy to think African Americans vote simply on the basis of race. If that's the case, why did Clinton hold a 65% to 35% lead with African Americans over Obama in Oct. 07? No, African Americans moved to Obama for a number of reasons. Qualified candidate. Policy. And yes, he's African American. But so what? Irish have always voted for favorite son Irish candidates. Polish for Polish. Italians for Italians. Women for women. Nothing revolutionary about that.

If you don't want to believe that the Clinton's used race in this election, I'm not going to try to convince you. But I wonder why you would try to convince Obama supporters that their candidate used sexism to advance when you have blinders on yourselves?

Patsi, I'm a lover not a burner.

Mr. D,

You missed my main points. The media intentionally misinterpreted and used
spin to paint the Clintons as racists. I heard all their statements that were
supposedly racist and they were clearly not. I'm a fair minded person and
heard not one racist comment from the Clintons.

You and I are obviously listening to the same statements and hearing
very different messages. Of course, Obama pundits--most of media-- wove
innocent comments by the Clintons into racist remarks. It served their
purpose--to get Obama elected as the nominee.

Sorry. I don't buy your "Clintons are racists" propaganda, with all due respect.
It's beyond absurd.

Fine. I'll accept that. For one, I know the "fairy tale" statement was unfair when it came to characterizing Bill Clinton.

That said, can you understand how Obama (and African Americans) were offended by Geraldine Ferraro?

Good night everyone. Writing time is over.

Good for Craig! He pointed out once again on MoJo this morning that the media has crammed Obama down our throats. Mika then said through gritted(sp) teeth what a pleasure it was to have Craig on again.
Love it.

Mr. Dem: Thank you for acknowledging that the "fairy tale" statement was unfair. I believe that the "guns and religion" comment used to call Obama an elitist was unfair also.

As for the ABC transcript, not to sound like I'm wearing a big tin foil hat or anything ... after watching how the media has covered George W. Bush's ass during his administration by editing his remarks in transcripts to make him sound coherent, I am a bit skeptical when it comes to transcripts. I remember several instances of O'Reilly, Rush and Lou Dobbs editing the transcripts of their shows to remove controversial remarks.

Just wanted to clarify that, and even if it was Clinton that brought up Jesse Jackson, how is it racist to comment on another AA candidate's showing in the state during presidential primaries? When reading Tapper's transcript it is apparent that Bill Clinton was being Bill Clinton. He is known to give historical perspective when he talks with the press. It wasn't like it was out of character for him. Additionally, if you read the transcript the reporters were already asserting that Clinton had engaged in some questionable behavior so the notion that Clinton was the one that interjected race by the mere fact he uttered Jackson's name is not entirely accurate since it seems as if the reporters were hinting that Clinton had already done something wrong.

Just a thought.

Prof Marcia: You have a stronger stomach than me if can still watch MSNBC's primary night coverage.

I opted for the Cubs/Astros, Tigers/Mariners games. The Tigers/Mariners game was every bit as ugly as MSNBC's election coverage though. LOL

I apologize for the intrusion and the length of this post. However, in light of previous discussions it goes a long way in describing who and what Bill Clinton really is.

An excerpt from 'The Last Black President":

Since George Washington, former presidents dutifully retired into oblivion. In the 18th century it mean a few years back on the farm. In the 19th century they took world tours. Grant did, the Lincolns were planning one. In the 20th century, Teddy Roosevelt went to Africa on safari, to kill lions. Even into modern times presidents retired to private lives. Truman, Eisenhower and Nixon were never seen tromping off to displaced persons camps or holding starving black children in their arms.

Now, I love Ronald Reagan and he did some very nice things for a charity I co-founded (see Reagan on the National Charity Dinner http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cgrUujoy9E ) and G. H. W. Bush has turned down some lucrative speaking gigs to help raise money for floods and tsunamis. That’s all new for a retired Republican by the way and should surely be applauded. And Jimmy Carter always wins the former presidents’ awards. I also appreciate what he and former president Bush, Senior have done for my charity. There is just something pure and wonderful about seeing Carter up on a roof pounding nails instead of using a power point presentation at a board meeting of a charitable trust.

But the truth is this, for every nail Jimmy Carter pounds into the roof of a new home for an overweight American living below our exalted poverty level, there are a thousand starving Black babies in Africa who owe their very lives to the work of Bill Clinton. It is more than Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton could ever do for their own. Here is a remarkable thought. It is very likely, as of right now, that Bill Clinton has raised more money for charity than all of the retired American presidents in all of American history combined. And the biggest share of that fundraising has gone to Africans in need, ignored by most of the world.

Bill Clinton is no racist. What is truly shameful, but typical, is that I have to be the one to remind you of this.

Yes, he made some missteps this week but we don’t really know the details. I have been on the receiving end of mindless stories where everyone is sure they know what they are talking about and where hypocritical people look sanctimonious and people doing their job look bad and none of the detail or circumstances or context is really known and the media spins it for their own selfish ulterior purposes, unseen by the public.

Life is complicated, especially politics. Billy Graham made mistakes in his conversations with Nixon, in his illegally retained income investigated during the 1970’s but it doesn’t mean he isn’t Billy Graham. An innocent Mother Theresa was scandalized when it was learned she had leant her name and picture to fraudulent fundraisers. But it doesn’t mean she was no longer Mother Theresa, a saint. And this week does not mean that Bill Clinton is not Bill Clinton.

In their understandable rush to get a Black president into the White House, the Black community would do well to pause and think about the last time they had a Black president. There is no way that Barack Obama can do more for you, appoint more judges, pass out more programs than Clinton did. In fact, you know he will have to do the very opposite to prove he can govern all groups, not just yours. You know, with all your pride in his ascendency that you are destined for some disappointments and unrealized expectations if he wins and you leaders now lambasting Bill Clinton will probably have less face time in the Roosevelt Room with Barack Obama than you ever had under Ronald Reagan. You know that will be coming if he wins.

So perhaps now you should slow down a bit and consider the record of a man who has loved you all his life. If he had been president he would never have been too busy or too remote to leave you stranded on rooftops in a New Orleans flood, in 90 degree heat, without water or toilets. He would have been there immediately, at your side. And now that it is his turn to be stranded up there alone for a few hours or days, until this story passes, you would do well to go to his side, no matter who you eventually support for president. Even if Barack Obama should win, you may one day come to realize that Bill Clinton was not only the first but also the last “Black president” you ever had in your lifetime and he certainly does not deserve to be called a racist.

About Doug Wead
Doug Wead is a presidential historian and New York Times bestselling author. He co-founded Mercy Corps in 1979 and served as special assistant to the president in the Bush, Senior White House. Recent books include All the Presidents’ Children and The Raising of a President. He is the editor of www.whitehouseweddings.com

First time Commenter:

O.K., ladies, (and "whitey"), get ready for the courtship (wooing) to begin. Be on guard for the false flattery, charm offensive, empty promises from the guy who wants a "one night stand" (In Nov), but who never calls again.

Stand Strong! Send him on his way!

Mr. D

"You let me know. Has she had ONE, just one instance, when she used racism to advance her candidacy? "

This is a straw man argument using a question as an attack. When we charged sexism, we provided specific quotes that we found either sexist or insulting to women to go with the charge. We didn't say, "don't you see even one sexist remark?"

Now it is your turn. Supply specific remarks or acts said or done by the Clintons or their surrogates or the media that were racist in content or motive. Then ask if we agree.

Mike,

Thank you for a truly thoughtful and finally accurate account of Bill
Clinton's contributions to the Black community.

The fact that the media (and Camp Obama) have tried to portray the Clintons as racists will surely go down as a shameful part of American history.

Russert was just on MOJO spewing the Obama campaign talking points again. "Oregon is a swing state." Oregon has gotten more and more liberal in the last 20 years and, if Oregon is in "play" this fall, then the Democrats have way more worries than I originally thought. I dare say that Oregon is now more liberal than Washington because even Eastern Oregon (Bend) has become very progressive.

Bill Richardson must be trippin' if he thinks that Dems are gonna fall in line behind BO. Our party has been hijacked by left coast liberals & the media who decided to put up their own candidate.

Way to go Hil'ry. KY & OR combined, more votes than BO. Who else could get a turnout like that if considered to be a political gonner? Not Bill Richardson, I assure you.

Craig - Nice job on MoJo. And, yes, we will be ATMing when BO loses the general.

Craig was good this morning. I just wish they gave you more time for conversation than setting up the structure with Buchanan.

'The Last Black President":
Thank You Mike

And Craig, good job on MOJO. I would question the pundits saying that "no electoral map for this fall shows Kentucky going blue" (Russert said this yesterday.) I think Clinton could win Kentucky, don't you? Bill won there twice. Why not?

The general won't be about voting against BO, it will be about teaching the DNC a lesson. We are all Kerry-ed out and we're not gonna take it anymore!!!

patsi - Exactly, sexism = yuk, yuk. It wasn't the last word of the Imus sentence that got him fired.

Today's task: What would you use as an avatar?

Welcome to the blog mamamimi. Put on your protective gear & try to enjoy the ride. (Things aren't always this ugly.) I see you picked up on the fact that BO will cave to pressure, put on his flag pin & suck up like a good, little politician when forced to do so. Very insincere. Also, too arrogant to visit the good people of Kentucky. PaddyB is right about it being too late for BO to go campaign there & bring 'em into the fold this fall.

WRITE-IN FOR HIL'RY!

Wolfson, Clinton's communications director has said that "we will have a nominee by 6/15."

So, this is NOT going to the convention for a floor fight.

Hillary supporters have three more weeks before they have to decide what to do. They have 4 options:
1. Follow Hillary's endorsement and support Obama
2. Vote for McCain
3. Write-in Hillary
4. Don't vote
It will be a tough decision involving many factors such as anger, feelings of betrayal, paranoia, racism, and depression.

Good luck with that.

Obama haters should realize that Hillary is going to run around the country for the next 5 months telling everyone what a great human being Obama is and how well-qualified he is to be President.

Every time she says something particularly complimentary, I'm going to post it here.

Then you can attack her.

nash,
you're arguing with yourself.

lanny davis coming on imus show now.......

Nash,

I've seen charges that Sen. Obama can be rude and insensitive, sometimes arrogant, and inexperienced or unprepared for the job.

All of those reflect on qualities that might make him unacceptable for the presidency.

I have seen nothing by Sen. Clinton, her surrogates, or people here (unless by some drop in twit) that smacked of racism or hatred of him as a human being.

If you have, I would appreciate your showing it to me.

Nash...you seem like the one with the anger issues. If you really want to help Obama, your best bet at this point and going forward for those five months would be to just keep your mouth shut anytime you're tempted to taunt Hillary supporters. What is your point, unless you're a one-man McCain sleeper cell who is trying to keep the divisions among Dems alive? Aren't we way past the point of arguing? If you really believe you've won, why are you hanging around on the field dissing the losing team?

As for me, I'm planning to follow Hillary's lead. That will most likely result in me voting for Obama in November. Once I peel away all the media crap and the crap from supporters like you, and look at Obama totally in isolation -- I find it much easier to visualize myself voting for him.

Now...go ahead and taunt me. Find all the "holes" in my logic. Crap all over my supposed motivations and personal biases. Go ahead and flush my Florida vote down the stool.

Say anything stupid.
Just piss me off.
I dare you.

"Moral cowardice that keeps us from speaking our minds is as dangerous to this country as irresponsible talk. The right way is not always the popular and easy way. Standing for right when it is unpopular is a true test of moral character."
~ Margaret Chase Smith

I think that sums it up for me.

NoBama '08

Hey
good morning

Peeeuuuuu
What a stink
Do you people really enjoy playing with trolls.

Hey
my advice
"westling with pigs only gets you dirty but the pigs enjoy it"

Or something like that.
LOL

Hey
McCain is behaving in an unbush fashion.
LOL
darn he is always doing that.

He has a interview in Essence Magazine
He is reaching out to everybody

very good interview
if you missed the link yesterday
http://www.essence.com/essence/lifestyle/voices/0,16109,1807698-1,00.html

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

Pugnacious...I have to agree with something Brian said earlier. Your signature slogan is really getting old. It's about as cutting-edge and clever as the "Raining McCain" video was.

"Women earn less money than their counterparts — 78 cents for every dollar a man gets. But they make more than 80% of buying decisions in all homes." Business Week Online

Odd that the MSM would actually want to insult women, on a regular basis, that hold hold so much buying power. One would think that their sponsors might not be pleased .... oh I forgot, they only advertised Viagra, cell phones and Prison shows.

Hey all - I have been busy wrapping up my job - and now it is time for my "retirement" for the summer.

Anyways, it looks like McCain really came down on the wrong side of the diplomacy debate...at least according to James Baker, Chuck Hagel and Craig Crawford. Sounds like pretty good company...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/20/james-baker-talking-to-an_n_102674.html

http://www.nytimes.com/cq/2007/07/25/cq_3159.html

mornin' all.

hw, if you're around, I've done a little browsing on the corporate-private citizen decisions of the SCOTUS decisions of the past 2 terms (before that the makeup of the court was different and not predictive of the current court's bent IMO). The court has been relatively quiet on the corporate law front over the past 2 terms. The most significant case was the Phillip Morris case - which restricted punitive damage claims that punish a company for wrongs to other persons who were not plaintiiffs in the case. While that does offer some protection to the corp. involved, it's hard to say it is at the expense of the rights of the individual, at least the individual involved in the case. I believe that case was decided correctly - only because the case itself exposed the company to damages based on conduct already considered in prior cases where the plaintiffs in those cases would be foreclosed from joining in that suit. A prior, pre-Roberts court case also limited punitive damages to a multiple of actual damages (normally up to a multiplier of 10), which is consistent with that ruling's bent. The little guy has been hit in other cases - the CT takings clause case being the most significant. That technically involved a corporation, but it was a municipal development corp. acting under the color of the state, so it's really not a corporation v. little guy issue case - it is a state versus citizen case. It would be a bit of a stretch to generalize too much based on those cases. Someone with an ear closer to the ground in corporate cases might have a better and different view of those cases.

And the race goes on. There was some talk about a resolution to seat half the delegates from FL (&MI?). Did I hear that correctly? I was admittedly distracted when it was discussed.

A bitch is a bitch is a bitch = Hillary Rodham Clinton (Yes, I’m still here and read often…same old crap except for a few)

In some way I would like the bitch to somehow steal the primary, even though I’m for change, honesty, intelligence, and sound judgment = Obama. Why? Well, I would like to put it to bed once and for all that too many people absolutely hate HRC. She claims Michigan and Florida must be counted when in her own lying words she said they would never be counted. You cannot count on that woman to tell the truth ABOUT ANYTHING!!! What about Iowa, Nevada, Washington, and Maine. Shouldn’t their popular vote be counted? Oh, yes, I know there is supposed to be this formula to count those votes, but anyone who knows the truth about it says it is not a legitimate count.

Let her and her other bitches (and the bigots and dumb racists of WV, SE Ohio, KY) steal this thing just so the young, new registered voters, Obamicans, other older white females who never supported her such as me, and all the black voters STAY HOME. SHE LOSES. Oh, that would be so, so beautiful. Clinton done for good! Gone! Kaput!! It would almost be worth destroying the United States with the old man McBush winning, which would most certainly happen if she steals this thing. More money to the sinking sands of Iraq. No reduced taxes for those “working whites”. No student loan assistance. More taxes for seniors. More and more $ to the oil companies. More droning on and on and on and on for four years!

Great interview from Hagel:

"I'm very upset with John with some of the things he's been saying. And I can't get into the psychoanalysis of it. But I believe that John is smarter than some of the things he is saying. He is, he understands it more."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/20/chuck-hagel-takes-on-mcca_n_102775.html

Hi Karolenna...I think your computer accidently just posted something that you wrote about two months ago and was highly relevant at that time.

warren, you're a corp type. what's your take on the Roberts Court record on corporate v. little guy cases?

What you planning to do this summer? Get a tan and try to catch STDs?

Hey Warren...welcome back. I was worried about you for awhile there.

Hey

LardassLiberal

I am who I am

the sig file states that very clearly
Thats why I keep it

LOL
that it Irritates
you hyper partisans
Republican or Democrat

So what

I'm not in the hyperpartisan club

never gonna be

Hey
"cutting edge"
That's an illusion you left wing types pursue

good luck with it

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

mornin' karolenna - coffee particularly bitter this morning? A little vinegar in a pot of water run through the coffeemaker to clean out the crud might help.

UB, don't women actually make the purchasing decisions for 2 of the 3 things you mentioned? LOL

Dexter and All,

Before Ham Jordan ever knew he had cancer, he had founded with his wife (a pediatric oncology nurse) Camp Sunshine.

Then he was diagnosed. His first condition (or its first iteration) was NHL: he was among the first patients to be treated with what remains part of its frontline treatment, CHOP.

It was during his second cancer that he wrote what is, for me along with Evan Handler's "Time on Fire: My Comedy of Terrors with Leukemia", the best book to read when you've started your first treatment rounds.

Camp Sunshine is the template for both Paul Newman's Hole In The Wall Gang Camps and the Imus Ranch.

I am sure that Imus paid tribute to Ham Jordan this morning: they always supported each other's efforts in helping kids and their families.

I'm attaching the link for Camp Sunshine. You may notice that while Dorothy Jordan is mentioned there, Ham isn't. Ham was hamish and felt all he did was support his wife's training and talent.

If you're a mite tired of making donations to presidential campaigns.... Camp Sunshine takes money, too.

http://www.mycampsunshine.com/

Another charm offensive from the Obama crowd. How can we possibly resist such a heartfelt seduction?

Pugnacious

There is a difference between aggravation and boredom. I even get bored with my email signature and it has the advantage of being witty:

A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that." Douglas Adams

karolenna (the extra long grain gripe),

Please stick around.

Just as I collect Bri-Bri's poopinionating, I might as well start harvesting yours for the petri dish.

Can't wait until the two of you sound like Bushies defending Duhya: the DNA's already there, perfectly malformed for the years ahead should OBrahmin get the job.

Then... should he be there... I'll repost your stuff.''

Frequently.

It will be like acid reflux with words. (Or, in Bri-Bri's case, something that rhymes with words but smellier.)

pogo:

I can't speak about all the decisions - but the opinions from the Roberts' court that raised the pleading standards for securities fraud cases were a move in the right direction.

I think the standards are still generous enough that valid claims will move forward - but will knock out some of the more frivilous claims sooner rather than later.

I think the time and money wasted on bogus lawsuits is a huge drain.