Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Good Morning Craig and Everyone,

I'm glad Dexter cleared up the "lab rats" debacle and we can move on
to more important subjects. (Remember, yesterday I innocently asked
the question about whether Craig had called us LRs after reading Dexter's post the day before). He had not. Turns out Dex was just joking around.

Anyway, we've moved on to more serious topics like how are half the
Democrats who've been shoved from the Dem Party like me going
to survive the summer listening to Obama and McCain debate?

Craig writes that Obama plans to claim victory next week after Oregon
and Kentucky vote. It seems a presumptuous move by Obama to say the least. Couldn't he show graciousness even in the end? What would it cost him to allow Hillary to concede first?

In regard to Craig's other point about Obama debating McCain, I wonder
if Obama will wimp out like he did with Hillary. After all, he really only had four
one-on-one debates with her. Debating isn't Obama's strong area. He's
good at reading speeches written by pro writers, though.

"like how are half the
Democrats who've been shoved from the Dem Party like me going
to survive the summer listening to Obama and McCain debate?"

God, I don't know. I can't stand to hear either one of them talk. They both grind on me like Bush does!

What would it cost him to allow Hillary to concede first?
prof marcia

I'm speechless. They really are rewriting all the rules.
Heard Hillary had to take out a full page ad in USA Today to get any coverage at all. The media has reached new lows.

ps. marcia, the site has been double and triple posting at times. Look's like the problem isn't gone.

"like how are half the Democrats who've been shoved from the Dem Party like me going to survive the summer... Patsi

Patsi, tell me about it. I feel like an orphan.

Good Morning Craig, Everyone:

The other day they had two women [one African American] interviewed on Fox News that said they were fed up with all the sexism against Hillary and if she were not nominated they would bolt the Democratic Party, I strongly urge women to give that serious thought.

--Heather

Don't see any reason Obama should debate Clinton again, at all. Indiana was a message: time to bring this long primary season to an end and prepare for general against McCain.

Debates are a good idea; country is listening and there is a clear divide between the candidates and their platforms.

Wore Obama button into McD's for lunch stop in Oklahoma yesterday; very gracious young men behind counter both said they were so over Bush; they are listening and want to find the person who can do the job for America.

This is a wide open election; the country is listening even though not politicking as actively as C List regulars (most surprising was virtually NO bumperstickers anywhere from Michigan to Texas so far, save one for Ron Paul).

It is time to get together and fight to win the most important election of our lives.

I am so disappointed by the deadenders here who are circulating petitions to DNC and disparaging Obama at every turn. Have you noticed how flat and ugly the discussions are?

I personally like McCain a lot, but anyone who endorses voting for him because there will be a Democratic Congress has rocks in their heads.

Further, Dems had two good candidates; one prevailed and there is a LOT of work to be done before the general election.

Can understand how disappointed the Hillary supporters feel, and that you might feel like "orphans", but wish you would take a fresh look at Obama.

Have a good Saturday, all!

they were fed up with all the sexism against Hillary and if she were not nominated they would bolt the Democratic Party, I strongly urge women to give that serious thought."
--Heather

I have and I agree. I'm bolting.

Hillary people -- I have an idea -- remember that saying about how Ginger Rogers danced as well as Fred Astaire -- but she did it backwards and in high heels? How about we start sending bunches of high heels to the DNC to protest the way Hillary has been treated? Just box up your old ratty ones and mail them off to DNC, 430 S. Capitol Street, SE, Wash, DC, 20003. Send them with a note telling Howard Dean, "These shoes represent another Hillary supporter who will be voting with my feet."

Spread the word! Take pictures of the shoes before you send them off -- maybe we could have a website to post them to -- such as WriteinHillary.com

apologies if this is a repost: having trouble with typekey this morning.

Meg: can you even imagine the longterm repercussions of the Dems shutting out the millions of young and newly energized voters? Believe me, the GOP would love to have the problem the Dems are facing now. Further, Obama's support transcends the young, black and elitist label -- it's moderates of every stripe and people ready for a fresh approach and not score-settling for years upon years of slights.

C List sees this primary season through a "Hillary at all costs" prism, and sexism is NOT the only thing that brought her down. She made many terrible decisions on how to compete, and for any sexism you see, I see plenty of efforts to brand Obama as "the black candidate."

Further, there is a huge anyone but Hillary vote out there, among Dems, independents and certainly GOP.

She's a valiant campaigner, but I have never thought she was electable.

Obama is your best shot, and the future, and it would be wiser to acknowledge that.

What pleasure is there to be had in the bitterness and divisiveness?

Alicia: saw your post about high heels, and this is not about the DNC or anyone else promoting sexism or wanting to cull out its female voters.

This was as fair and close a fight as could be, and Hillary has not (apparently) prevailed. It is so unfair for you all to see this as only sexism driving this result.

Give Howard Dean the boot -- for the Tell DNC I'm Voting with My Feet Idea -- men don't generally have high heels -- so any old shoes will do for them -- maybe old boots that are made for walkin' -- to give Howard and his ruinous cohorts the boot.

" Have you noticed how flat and ugly the discussions are?
"

You, Brian et al turned this discussion ugly and personal a long time ago.

It is so unfair for you all to see this as only sexism driving this result." Posted by: dog's eye view

Now, we're going to start talking about fairness?
Pat us on the head and tell us to forget the last few months and everything will be beautiful. The DNC has millions of young and newly energized voters" but they've lost the working class. They made a choice and now they can live with it.

I"ve heard that Obama hired 400 new "professional" posters to go out here and reel in the kiddies. So now I'm feeling like people are going to come in and try to manipulate us some more. It's not enough that they own the media, now they want to come directly to us. But they should realize, we wised up a while back, it took some time, but it's not as easy as it used to be.

Barack Obama: the new Great Redeemer
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/gerard_baker/article3941450.ece

I wish Obama would debate before the conventions.Then everyone could see what a mistake he would be and SD's would still have a chance to vote for Hillary.Obama is not good at debates.He needs a written speech before him and he needs Hillary to make a statement so he can say "I agree with Hillary"
Ruth

Meg -- I loved that article from timesonline! Especially this:

You will not see a finer example of the genre than the cover story of this week's Newsweek, which was entitled "The O Team". This rhapsodic inside account of Senator Obama's campaign reads a little like a cross between Father Alban Butler's Life of St Francis and the sort of authorised biography of Kim Jong Il you can pick up in any good bookshop in Pyongyang.

Mr Obama is portrayed throughout as an immanently benevolent figure. Not human really, more a comforting presence, a light source.

Then everyone could see what a mistake he would be and SD's would still have a chance to vote for Hillary painter

Ruth, They're no longer open to opinion. It seems the cement has settled. They can't even wait until this primary finishes out, without poking holes in our hot air baloon. They have an agenda, period. So much for the "appearance" of fairness. It's been an illusion all along. Apparently, in the Democratic party, decisions are made from the top down, not the bottom up.

oh, I imagine that professional posters have been on site representing all 3 sides for quite some time now......craig's site would be a prime target. It only gets worse from here on out, I suppose......

Sturg...I want to be a professional poster, too! Where can I sign up to get paid for this??
Hey...we regulars should all go on strike until Craig forks over some big bucks!!

"they were fed up with all the sexism against Hillary and if she were not nominated they would bolt the Democratic Party, I strongly urge women to give that serious thought."
--Heather

I have never been fond of disrespect.
Independent and proud of it, enough is enough.

http://www.emilyslist.org

I love the idea of the shoes.....Alicia : )

This may surprise many, but most of the sexist chauvinistic misogynist males seem to reside in the in the ultra left wing of the Democratic Party, just check in here any given day and see the rudeness, the insults threats, etc. Look at MSNBC with moronic stupid remarks from David Shuster [Does it look like the Clinton's are pimping out Chelsea] and Chris Matthews [Hillary got to be Senator because of her husband's womanizing] just Obama disrespecting women, dismissing them with a "later sweetie"

Look Mr. Obama women are not your "sweetie" save that psychobabble for your wife. This seems to be a recurring theme with the left, mark my words if you guys think we will not bolt the party watch and see, Obama will not get the majority of the female vote.

The democratic party seems to be overly concerned that African Americans will stay home and not vote which is illogical when you realize 52% of the population of every color and creed. The question is do you really want to get that demographic ticked off?

I don't care what current polls say now, common sense dictates that Obama will be blown out in the general election. any people respect him publicly but privately they see him as a punk hustler, that refuses a pecking order and to pay his dues in time and experience and endowed with plenty of ego and arrogance.

When you are critical of Obama all these radical left wingers want to do is go into full all out attack mode, insult you and threaten you, well lahhh deeeeeee dahhhhhhhh what choice do they have when you are in the right all the facts are on your side and not on theirs.

Several days ago I asked what major accomplishment has Obama made or Bill has he co-authored zippo from his supporters. This Obama with an incomplete term as Senator when he was in the Illinois State House voted "present" over 130 times [present is what one votes when not wanting to take a stand on a bill] yet the messiah Obama wants to engage in dialog with the most dangerous dictators in the world.

The question is do you want Obama who had no courage to vote on a bill engaging in dialog with dangerous dictators?
Does anyone really think these dictators will take this effeminate bowler seriously?

What demographic can he win a majority of? Jews, not even close. Catholics? Just look at the catholic websites, they have links up showing the radical positions of Obama on abortion and partial birth abortion. Hispanics made it crystal clear Obama is not their cup of tea. The elderly? No. Not even Independents will give him a majority.

Don't fear because the radical left does not care because they always make sure the democratic party will crash and burn into flames every time they demand a radical left wing candidate gets nominated

One major drawback to the Obama campaign. It has really stirred up the wacko right wing fringe. They had pretty well quieted down in the last couple of years and now I'm getting all the junk mailers daily such as

http://www.usawakeup.org

Fortunately, there is is a fairly nice liberal rebuttal you can send back to your more delusional friends.

http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2008/04/23/the-mythology-of-usa-wake-up/

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well i am glad Rat-Gate was settled yesterday. i was on the road for 12-hours of madness in westchester for a speech and could not defend myself. but for the record i DID NOT use the word rats on Imus to describe our little corner of the internets. merely that this is, in part, a laboratory for measuring whether Dems can overcome their divide. based upon yesterday's thread, filled with BO gloating and HRC defiance, my early prediction is NOT.

Obama is not going to lose the working class; some of it, maybe, but you all paint with too broad a brush. He's not far left either. That is his appeal to the many independents voting for him.

You gals are clinical.

Heather,
You forgot when Ko made the remark that Hillary needed to br taken into the back room and .......
Ruth

Angry women - Clinton supporters threaten boycott.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nbp3KddRvA

Oh, the irony of it all.
We say we want a President who can bring us together, who can negotiate with our adversaries, as well and our global partners, a president who can be respectful and tolerant enough to reach common and noble goals for the greater good. But we, the American people, can't even come close.

As in the world, we individually can not expect to force our beliefs on others, we can not humiliate, torture (taunt) and dismiss those who think and believe differently, and expect anything to change. Do as I say, not as I do, does not work.

“Be the change you wish to see in the world” Gandhi

Gordo and Craig
Guess I will have to get Hughes net so I am able to view videos.Craig,i wish you would put a script of video so we could at least read what is said
Ruth

Craig: if some Dems do not bridge their divide, you can only congratulate yourself for your small part in it.

This blog is representative only of bitter bitter-ender Clinton supporters who will not see her flaws, apparent to many, and will not admit any of Obama's strengths or appeal, also apparent to many, although not here.

The Clinton faction has driven off most of everyone who does not agree with them or enjoy the meanness -- witness the warnings months ago about the longterm C List commenters who departed in droves.

Therefore, this is too small a sample and a very compromised Petri dish.

PS: the fact that many have landed here because the other blogs (TPM, etc.) have become unfriendly territory should be a clue.

This wind down of the campaign is being done by Obama with all the grace, courtesy, and sensitivity he has shown throughout the exercise .... ABSOLUTELY NONE.

Just more arrogrance, rudeness, and dismissive attitude from the candidate who has no claim to fame except attitude.

ub
I always believed we should keep out of other countries business.
Most of the problems we are having in the Arab countries is our own fault.we put people in power because of oil and they abused the power.We also supplied arms in places where they were using sticks and stones and now we wonder why they use them against us.
Our government is our own worst enemy.
We the people have in large been against government foreign policy.
Ruth

Clinton supporters will vote McCain - 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMs-KKtSs5Q&feature=related

Plz see Jamie's comment at 9:30 a -- it's what anyone looking for a real discussion is treated to, daily and fullbore.

Jamie did not used to be like this either.

Clinton supporters will vote McCain - 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed1yc40UyCE&feature=related

dog's eye view,

I think that this blog is a fairly diverse collection of voters in this country. Many states are represented here, and different races, ages, education levels, different genders, different faiths and various life experiences and occupations.

I beleive we have seen many posts about what people have heard from others in their communities, their families, and the their friends at political and social events.

Not bitter and not a Democrat.

http://www.talkleft.com/

I suggest anyone who thinks this bitterness is the result of this blog is nutz

Half of the people participating in the primaries supported Clinton and they do not need any help in identifying ill treatment when they see it.

Obama should have thought about it before he was do dismissive of women.

You cannot scare me with talk of Roe v Wade.
McCain already said he would have appointed Sandra Day OConnor.

The biggest supporters of Obama are not Democrats especially on this site. Why would Democrats care what you think

dog

Is this more of the "when rape is inevitable" line? I have been personally insulted and abused. Accused of attitudes and actions I have never had in my life. It hardly makes for an atmosphere of warm respect for the candidate those doing the attacking support.

I won't vote for McCain. That doesn't mean I have to fall lock step in line behind the adoring throng welcoming the second coming when I believe with every fiber that Sen. Obama is nothing more than another politician backed by even more sleezy polticians and money men.

Even more than the candidate, I resent having another President "selected" rather than elected and the feeling that all semblance of freedom in this country has been lost as we simply go through the motions for the guys raking in the cash.

GORDO: some Clinton supporters will undoubtedly vote for McCain. But more will not, and Obama has serious crossover appeal for Republicans that HRC does not.

(Were HRC the presumptive nominee, some Obama supporters would also be thinking of or threatening to vote for McCain.)

Sling as much as you like. The facts are not on your side.

Dog's view
I haven't been here long but it looks to me that the meanness comes from Obama supporters.And it is not only old women who support Clinton.Even My 16 yr old grandson said he doesn't see what people see in Obama.When he asks other students in his government class why they support him,they could not answer.He has no interest in politics but he listens and thinks Hillary would be best choice.When all this debate started he was against her because all his friends told him she was going to ban video games.That is where a lot of the young peoples interest lies.And at that age they are easily swayed.Over the year he has matured somewhat and is listening to issues rather than self interest.

ASnd I have talked to kids in their 20's and 30's and they are not all gung ho about Obama.
Ruth

well how's this for a Petri dish, dog's eye -- if Jamie and Brian make peace this summer, Dems can win

now that would be the ultimate Summer of Love

Clinton supporters will vote McCain - 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewla_lQJzKo&feature=related

Hey,

Did I read that right?

Obama is stepping into the McCain trap?

I read a Time article last week.
On McCain strategy.

A major strategy was to force Obama into as many public forum, question and answer, sessions as possible.
McCain shines when he is discussing issues with ordinary people.
He comes alive.

Obama sucks in the same format.

Obama basically sucks in any debate format.
Look at how many times Hillary has stolen his lunch money in these debates.

Obama only shines when he is up on his pedestal, looking down on his adoring subjects.

Speech writers aren't much use in a freewheeling public forum debate.

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

Craig,

We actualy have small fragments of seconds when we make nice before going back to bludgeoning each other unmercifully. : )

Jamie: we are just going to have to agree to disagree.

Your 9:44 post is hyperbolic, and the old Jamie would have known that.

Sheila is rolling her eyes and doots is scratching his head.

Au revoir for now.

The longer this continues, the more I am happy that I cancelled my DNC membership. Load off.
It was a very wise decission made three weeks ago.
It is also very clear that I will NOT vote for BO in November if he is the nominee, which I do not see happening.
Don't care if the people will crucify for saying this: But we survived 8 years of Bush, another 4 years will be bearable. I am not going out to vote for the man who screams change, but is a vulgar politician who used the race card under MY people and is (to say the least) nowhere on issues with regard to the fuckin economy!

HRC My Nominee

thnx Patsi.....

Have a very good weekend everyone.

Craig: Jamie sees an assault anytime an Obama supporter pushes back, however gently.

I would love to see Jamie and Brian getting along better, but it takes 2.

Have to hit the road for our own 12 hour day.

Sheila and doots says howdy and Rance the wonder dog tips an ear to all.

dog's eye view ---------------------

"He's not far left either."

Correct! Obama (and the people pulling his strings) are BEYOND far left.

yes, i know Jamie, there are glimmers on occasion. if you and brian would be willing to write the 3 things you admire most about the other's candidate, i'd make it tomorrow's post. but it's gotta be without sarcasm or backhanded compliments. i figure that if you can't each come up with 3 geniuine compliments for each other's candidate then Dems really do have trouble.

if you each are game for this exercise, don't post it here. email to me and we'll make it our Sunday feature.

re: Summer of Love

That would require the BHO side to be humbled and the HRC side to accept their gesture. If there was even a shred of humility shown by that candidate's supporters, maybe those HRC voters who feel burned, would be able to move on and join in.

Have not seen any grace or humility in his demeanor. ( maybe I missed it ? )

okay Dog

I'll ignore the fact that I saw Obama supporters shoving people around and intimidating other in a caucus format. It never happened ... must have been my imagination. I'll ignore that the one man one vote ideal of freedom has been thrown out the widow by the Democratic party. I'll ignore that broadcasters I used to respect have turned into cheerleaders rather than journalists. I'll ignore that politicians I thought had some relation to ethics have twisted and mischaracterized statements. And of course

The next time Brian calls me some version of a stupid, bitter, old cow who hates black people, I'll just thank him for the compliment.

is

"De volkskrant" (The peoples paper) is Holland's second biggest paper.
Must say they have a nice page long article on HRC in their current issue

The subtitle is: "The end of a Clinton era"
The endings sentence is: "The Clinton Drama is not over.....By a long shot"

I must say a really fair article....

Dog's
I didn't see anything offensive about Jamies 9:30 post.Looked like she was stating fact.A dog's view is a little close to the ground.I like to look a little higher myself
Ruth

Some people can really dish it out from behind a computer screen.

"3 things you admire most about the other's candidate"

Craig,
That's too difficult. Can you make it easier and only require 1?

Hey Gordo, funny, I read the posts from last night after I left. Brian calling me morally bankrupt...LOL He and Warren had a special bonding moment there and Dexter came back to correct some of his garbage.

No, I won't be voting for BO Craig, that is for certain. I will split the ticket like any rational Democrat should. On this Blog you have Dexter, Shelia, Anon, Nash Warren, Rez, Brian in one corner and you have LL, Flatus, Pats, Jamie, Heather, Maricia , Blonde, Burrito, Gordo, myslef and others in the other corner. SOrry for all that I left out of my very short list) I think that about shows the significant difference between mindsets and rationality.

This has been an experiment for me actually. It started in 2003. First I tested numerous Liberal Blogs as they headed to the Left to begin the transformation of the Democratic Party. Then I spent two years with centrists of both Parties discussing the future and where the present polarity was going to take us. This was a needed regrounding of my compass. Then recently I set out to participate in the Democratic process and had all my expectations become actualities. Frankly, I am suprised Hillary was not crushed from the start over her position on Iraq. BO is a moderate imposter. He will bring heaps of trouble and I thank him, his charming wife and Dean and company for trashing the Clintons and enabling the more Liberal side of the party to aienate the moderate side.

Have fun with that.

Vote McCain and prevent the complete destruction of the Democratic Party.

Craig,

I just sent it to you.

Gee Craig
I can't think of one attribut to Obama.How in the world do you think Jamie can come up with three
Ruth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAhHdrPzB5s&feature=related

Girl Put Your Records On (Acoustic)

enjoy your day

~ peace

thanks Jamie, i got it. nice job. Brian, the ball is in your court when you wake up and put some clothes on..

Craig, I have something positive to say about Obama
He's got cute kids!

Still waiting for some Obama supporters to provide me a major accomplishment or co-author of a major bill of Obama's. Where is the substance? So far all he has provided is hot air and a four year 800 billion budget that would never pass congress Not bad if you are looking for alternative energy and balloon travel. What has Obama produced to earn a presidency?

Jason spoke of the remarks Obama staffers told AA in NC. This was about as racist a campaign can get. I knew from the start that Power and Malley would stumble and I am surprised Rice is still there. But then Obama needs someone to talk foreign policy. Her discussion yesterday reveals what is in store for us. Anyone else not so protected by media would have been destroyed by Wright, Meeks, Ayers, Khalidi, Auchi, Rezko, Lee, Moss, Malley, and a record that isn't worth vetting. But media has protected their favorite in an appallingly trasparent bias. Dean has succeeded in displacing moderate Liberals with his new crowd.

I have had a full experiance with Obama supporters here and live, on other blogs and watching media. I am sad to discover I am actually a racist, morally bankrupt, Republican, war-mongering, old and disturbed. My values no longer represent what the Democrats are all about. It was quite shocking to find my hidden character plumbed by the objective insight of the Obama crowd. I am going to have a large tatoo put on my forehead that reads, Immoral Loser". And then I will give the rest of my money to Trinity.

Craig, you never answered whether you would give more protections to this wonderfully pathetic media of ours, or at least support only the Senate version of the new Freedom of the Press Bill. The Seante version would give new portections for all engaged in journalism, not just Cafferty. When Gordo, Jamie, Pats and LL have more crediblitlity than Olberman and Mathews, wouldn't that be what out Founding Brothers would have wanted?

That has been my experiment here, besides watching what Obama supporters do so well in making my election decision the right one for me, and in my humble opinion, the country.

Jamie,

Bravo, I did not for one moment think you would not be able to accept & meet the challenge & I am sure your observations will be well-reasoned.

Ha! "Rat-Gate" -- I love that concept. I heard the original conversation on Imus, didn't recall "lab rats" -- but thought it was a funny idea. And spot on!

Hey
Ruth

The man is not total evil,

1. He gives a great speech.
Isn't it nice to hear some one who can string 3 words together without loosing his place.

2. he is a do gooder.
Too bad he didn't stay in the Neighborhood where he could do the most good.

3. he wants to accomplish great things and make the world a better place.

all three of those positives , don't mean he needs to be president.

He would make a lousy one.

And he owes so much to the left wing of the party that he will be passing out favors like a Chicago alderman.

His administration is going to look like feeding time at the hog trough.
Slurping and Squealing

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

BO
1. can imitate a GQ model for men's suits
2. can deflect better than most valid attacks
3. can write some decent ficiton, though mischaracteized as autobiography

Did those count?

A Surprise About Obama, Clinton, and Turnout

"Conventional wisdom has it that Barack Obama's primary victories are based on his ability to increase turnout.

A look at what happens when voter turnout increases in the primaries proves that this notion is wrong. In fact, Obama has had his greatest primary (and caucus) victories when turnouts have been low."

http://americanresearchgroup.com/

I've said this before and I will say it again: I honestly don't believe the Obama people or the DNC believe they need older white women, the elderly or white working class folks. I believe they have run the numers (in electoral college format) and believe they can pick up enough states like Colorado and New Mexico to win (and maybe even a southern state or two if they can energize the AA vote.)

I meant to say "run the numbers". Sorry.

I take that back.I can think of one.
The speech he gave about race in this country was very moving
Ruth

Hey

While the Clinton supporters and the obama supporters bang on each other.

McCain is busy undercutting Democrats on some of their core issues.

"American’s Increase Support for McCain’s Plan on Global Warming After Viewing His Ad"

http://www.mediacurves.com/Politics/J6832-McCainAd/

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

Almost hesitate to mention it, but Preakness today. Just to be a contrarian, I like Ichabad Crane.

Behindatthebar
Trainer: Todd Pletcher Jockey: David Flores

Big Brown
Trainer: Richard Dutrow, Jr. Jockey: Kent Desormeaux

Gayego
Trainer: Paulo Lobo Jockey: Mike Smith

Giant Moon
Trainer: Richard E. Schosberg Jockey: Ramon
Dominguez

Hey Byrn
Trainer: Eddie Plesa Jockey: C.C. Lopez

Icabad Crane
Trainer: Graham Motion Jockey: Jeremy Rose

Kentucky Bear
Trainer: Reade Baker Jockey: Jamie Theriot

Macho Again
Trainer: Dallas Stewart Jockey: Julien Leparoux

Racecar Rhapsody
Trainer: Kenny McPeek Jockey: Robby Albarado

Riley Tucker
Trainer: Bill Mott Jockey: Edgar Prado

Stevil
Trainer: Nick Zito Jockey: John Velazquez

Tres Borrachos
Trainer: Beau Greely Jockey: Tyler Baze

Yankee Bravo
Trainer: Paddy Gallagher Jockey: Alex Solis

I honestly don't believe the Obama people or the DNC believe they need older white women, the elderly or white working class folks." Ally

Or the Hispanics?
I don't think Richardson's going to bring in all that many of them, any more than John Edwards can bring in that big of a chunk of the working class.

And who can say for sure that the college kids will show up in November. They're not that predictable.

I love east coasters trying to give locations in California. The latest being putting Angeles Camp in Sacramento. Two hours, two counties and a mountain road known as Hwy 49 for Gold Country away, but I guess that's close enough. : )

Jamie...While you're running the Preakness, I'm starting a betting pool on how Brian will do in the "Summer of Love" challenge. All times are Eastern Daylight.

--Over-under on when Brian wakes up and posts his first comment: 11:30 a.m.
--Over-under on when Brian sparks up his first bowl of the day: 11:31 a.m.
--Over-under on when Brian puts on his first article of clothing: 2 p.m.
--Over-under on when Brian files his non-sarcastic, non-backhanded essay on three things he admires about Hillary: 4 p.m.

The betting window is open, folks.

And I will say one more thing before I go: Flatus asked yesterday who was behind the misogyny we have seen in this campaign. Flatus: Women have endangered themselves enough in recent years that blaming others is simply not necessary.

These are some examples of who young women see in today's celebrity culture: Paris Hilton, Britney Spears, Jamie Lynn Spears, Lindsey Lohan, the Kardashians and don't even get me started on "Girls Gone Wild". Young women don't have any role models.

Women my age (38) and older had fabulous role models in pop culture while growing up: Sally Fields, Meryl Streep, Jill Clayburgh, Marsha Mason, Diane Keaton, etc. Strong, independent women with brains. However, while some of us kept our independence, many women my age are in the middle of their Ten-Year Naps. As I have said before (and I am not judging, just stating facts) I am the only one of my high school or college friends who has a job for income. The only one. Really stop and think about that for a minute.

That video of the giggling group of female idiots on Obama's press plane checking out his package while he gave them a little show convinced me of this: My proclamation that Feminism is dead is spot on.

So, in other words Flatus, there is enough blame to go around. (And before everyone blows a gasket, yes, there are exceptions to every generalization I made above.)

Good morning peeps,
Craig that's an easy one, sure I'll email you three things I admire about Hillary later today.

Ally. Great post.

Jamie...

I share your hesitance about the Preakness, but I'll still go with Big Brown. Gotta' hope for a Triple Crown winner!

"He struck me then as a vacuous opportunist, a good performer with an ear for how to make white liberals like him.

Obama’s style of being all things to all people threatens to melt under the inescapable spotlight of a national campaign against a Republican. It’s like what brings on the downfall of really successful con artists: They get themselves onto a stage that’s so big that they can’t hide their contradictions anymore, and everyone finds out about the different stories they’ve told different people."

http://www.progressive.org/?q=mag_reed0508

Okay. The "under" line just won on wakeup time.

Brian..have you sparked up that first bowl yet?

Meg: I think Obama believes he needs some Hispanics (and some of the other groups I mentioned). Just not all or even that many. How many times have you seen or heard about the "millions of new voters" Obama has attracted? This is the new coalition. I am not saying they are correct, I am simply saying that Obama and the DNC believe that Democrats do not need to rely on the traditional Democratic voting blocs anymore. How else do you explain the Clintons getting the big heave ho? I literally heard a commentator on MSNBC say the other day that the timing of the Edwards endorsement was Obama's way of saying to the Clintons that "this wasn't their party anymore. It's my party now and the Clintons can't call the shots anymore." This is journalism? I guess the 17,000,000 people who voted for her didn't get the memo.

Even more than the candidate, I resent having another President "selected" rather than elected and the feeling that all semblance of freedom in this country has been lost as we simply go through the motions for the guys raking in the cash.
Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | May 17, 2008 9:44 AM

Jamie, that was so beautifully put. Thank you.

I think Obama believes he needs some Hispanics (and some of the other groups I mentioned). Just not all or even that many. How many times have you seen or heard about the "millions of new voters" Obama has attracted? This is the new coalition.
Posted by: Ally

Ally, I understood what you meant. And I feel the same way.
And I resent that "they" gave Obama all the credit for the new voters. I think Hillary drew many of them in too.
As far as this new coalition they talk about, it just struck me as exclusion. They've counted, all along, on our coming back into the fold. They think we have short memories, that we'll do what is best for the party. But I do not consider this the party it once was. And he is not the candidate that they wish us to think he is. Without his speech writers, I don't know who he is. And I have not appreciated those at MSNBC and others telling me what I think and feel.

thanks Brian, the "Summer of Love Challenge" is on. Make it about 200-250 words. Coming Tomorrow . . .

No Lard this in an order to these thing. Coffee and cigarettes first, then I walk the boiz. It's usually about 3 0r 4 hours before my first bowl, unless I have work to do, then I don't fire up the bong till me work is done.

200 words, geez, now you want me to work! LOL

"I literally heard a commentator on MSNBC say the other day that the timing of the Edwards endorsement was Obama's way of saying to the Clintons that "this wasn't their party anymore."
Ally

This example is So MSNBC.
It's not my party any more then, either.

If this works Craig , I'm nominating you for a Nobel Peace Prize or whatever award is appropriate. Have a good day folks. Company this weekend. Go Red Wings! Congrats to the Lakers!

Meg: I just can't figure out who in the hell MSNBC is talking to. Do they ever leave the studio? Go to the grocery store? The mall? Do they ever talk to real people?

"David Halpin looks at the litany of crimes for which former British Prime Minister Tony Blair will have to account sooner or later.

On the same day the BBC reported that former Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz was to go on trial after five years in prison over the deaths of a group of Baghdad merchants in 1992, it was rumoured the former prime minister of Britain will be indicted for crimes against humanity. The list of charges is long"

http://www.redress.cc/global/dhalpin20080517

Soon we will see the same applied to Bush and this whole administration. That day can not come soon enough either.

God Bless.

Ally
Clinton won New mexico

Sen. Ted Kennedy - Probable stroke.

Ruth: I know she did. But it is a state that Obama thinks he can win (probably because of Richardson.)

Also as part of Summer of Love, I'm offering to play a game of "Naked Twister" with Heather. Even though we're both ardent Hillary supporters, I think that gesture would go a long way toward healing the rift in the Democratic Party.

Meg: I just can't figure out who in the hell MSNBC is talking to.
Posted by: Ally

Ally, I just think they've been on a mission. Destroy the Clinton's, and that's how they refer to them, not individually.
And promote Obama. Their ratings are probably doing good because everyones are up because of interest in this election. But I can rarely listen to any of them anymore. I tune into Fox. I've found, compared to others, they really are "fair and balanced". Everything's relative. And it was the only place I could turn to and not watch Hillary bashed 24/7.

Lardass: You are just not going to let this thing you have for Heather go, are you?

Ally. LOL. Actually, that was the first time I put the blast on her. You must have me mixed up with someone else!

And for the record, the only other CListers I've EVER hit on are Jamie, Tylenol, RebRene and Brian (just once).

LA

" I think that gesture would go a long way toward healing the rift in the Democratic Party."

Well you would certainly hope to achieve unity of some sort.

Craig, are you posing as an Obamaniac in Stark Reality Mode with this Summer of Love challenge?

http://www.lavenderliberal.com/images/bloggy/obot-behavior.jpg

Lardass: I thought you were the one who kept asking her if those were actual photos of her on her blog when she first started posting here? Who was that?

There was a stretch there where Lard was trying to start his own FLDS compound of multiple adoring wives.

Ally...I don't remember who that was. But I have seen Heather's sultry glamour shots. She's got that whole Jean Butler (Riverdance) thing working.

Ally

That link doesn't work.

Jamie...did SNL ever do a sketch on those polygamy women with the beehives? Or was the story considered too weird and sad even for wicked satire?

LL
You are such a slut that you can't remember all the people you've hit on in here.

I thought ours was the real thing and you don't even remember your proposal.

Ally
I think you are remembering our resident horny teenager, Warren.

Jack

Craig,
I have been trying to do the same exercise the last few days. I have been a proud Democrat for over 40 yrs and troubled by this divisive campaign. However, as much as I tried, I know when the DNC spits on my shoes and tries to tell me it's raining.

As for us all coming together, Obama had over 2 years in the Senate to extend his hand across the aisle. He did not; unless you want to count voting for the Bush-Cheney energy bill as taking one for the team! It was assumed by many that Senator Clinton would be a divisive figure in the Senate. She turned out to be very friendly and conciliatory. She has worked very well with members of the other party. So this campaign of "change" has been about lies and innuendos, power and revenge.

There is an old saying that actions speak louder than words…

Beware Obama.. his actions in the IL and US senate do not bode well for his ability to lead this country in the right direction.

Damn Jack, you're right. Now I remember. I'll try to make it up to you somehow. :)

I missed the mySpace photo scandal. I only remember seeing a remark about stilettos on somebody's neck. Maybe it was Rez Dog who was trying to make the cyberspace moves when she first posted.

Interesting comment, Ally and I agree, but Feminism never really broke out of the box and the people you mentioned didn't show up to accept Oscars with hairy armpits. The social conditioning matrix runs as deep as hormone ratios and equality requires addressing constraints that go beyond paychecks or the ability to kill nasty aliens with large guns on celluloid.

Here is an example. Studies show women that excel in hand eye coordination often show a higher testosterone to estrogen ratio. Fat in women add to estrogen, so thinness promotes a higher testosterone ratio as well as muscularity. The more testosterone, the hairier a woman is, so no wonder women are supposed to be smooth, not too muscular, large breasted and capable of building a house. Women were not supposed to smell of pheromone laden sweat (the reason men first invented perfume), or be hairy (well certainly not show it in public). These are supreme violations of behavior from NY to LA.

Herodotus's Amazonian women actually drank horse pee to elevate their testosterone. They were well known for being supreme warriors. If one thinks this unnatural try imagining creeping up on a Cro-Magnon day care center and facing a cave woman. Bet you would run like hell. Women have two natural hormonal states and I bet cave woman could kick some serious butt. So lean women with higher testosterone tend to be hairier and have smaller breasts which was what I observed when I had the opportunity to hang out with modern female dancers in NYC. They tended to be more aggressive, independent and certainly were aware of the conditioning of society.

Society promotes "mostly" the big breasted, smooth high estrogen type women, which is counter to the type that is most competitive to men. l Studies show a slow but rising testosterone to estrogen level in women and surprising an increasing estrogen to testosterone level in men (lay off the pot Warren and Brian). In fact, gays do some a higher estrogen to testosterone ratio, but this is not a sweeping generalization. Social condition is primary a male driven desire to keep the gender roles apart. There is evident that behavior can affect hormone levels. A real Feminist would discard the myth that female body hair is aesthetically regulated and that increased testosterone levels are a bad thing in a serious over-populated world still dominated by men. Until media and film begin to break from a mold created by cosmetic companies after WW2 to promote a sterile, blond Barbie doll role model, and emancipate themselves from our programming, Feminism will give continue to give way to breast implants, Brazilian waxing, sexism and the continued social isolation of unconventional women.

Now I am not suggesting doing anything excessively, but the neurotic compliance to social programming and the unconscious programming of biological function seems the real ground level in discussion of Feminism. Of course the Democratic silence on the plight of women world wide is another arrow in the concept of Feminism. Women unfortunately are as much to blame as men.

I don't stay up for SNL anymore. Unless they get rebroadcast on the next day's news, I don't know what they are doing.

Now when I lived in SLC, you saw the ladies all the time. It is no secret that polygamy is very much alive and well. It is too prevalent to even begin to prosecute, so they settle for just the cases where they can prove abuse, rape etc.

. . . and to get into the summer-love spirit i am seriously wishing all the best for Ted Kennedy, who has been airlifted to hospital. some of you know i am not a fan, but putting that aside for sure:

http://wbztv.com/local/senator.ted.kennedy.2.726409.html

Ally...Don't sweat it if you can't remember. I'll stipulate that all men, including myself, are dogs. I hope that helps clear up any confusion. :)

oopppss "NOT capable of bulding a house".

People,

I said it once, Ill say it again.
Let the voters speak up until the last primary.
HRC will lead in popular votes, not in delegates.
No Fuzz
Let them then nominate BO

Then we will see what happens during the GE

I said it also earlier today. Brace yourselves for another 4 years of Bush3 eg McCain.

God Bless Google:

http://www.nakeddares.freeuk.com/nakedtwister/nt5.html

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Craig, I take your silence on the Senate/House version of the Freedom of the Press Bill avoiding perhaps, your take on the original intent of the Bil of Rights. Weren't these the rights of "the epeople" or an exclusince group shown recently to be quite incapable of objective journalism? Given your profession, ought you to have an opinion on such a serious topic?

I hope Teddy is okay, but I still would prefer he see wind mills in his window as he recoups at Hyanis.

Craig, I take your silence on the Senate/House version of the Freedom of the Press Bill avoiding perhaps, your take on the original intent of the Bil of Rights. Weren't these the rights of "the people" or an exclusive group shown recently to be quite incapable of objective journalism? Given your profession, ought you to have an opinion on such a serious topic?

I hope Teddy is okay, but I still would prefer he see wind mills in his window as he recoups at Hyanis.

NARAL reeling from Obama endorsement

"A number of feminist donors — including several Obama supporters — were shaking their heads at the timing, said a source who has worked on women’s health and reproductive rights issues for 25 years and meets routinely with top contributors to the cause. “Without exception, the response was, 'It’s a really stupid thing to do,'” said the source."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10408.html

Ally, sweat profusely, and LL, yes, dogs but not pigs. There is a bif difference.

Thanks Nick
I ear marked the page and will read it later.I'm cooking dinner now so can only check in for a few seconds at a time.Don't want to burn the sausage.
Ruth

Oh my God, Nick. That thing looks like it was ripped directly from the comments on this very blog.

Patsi...if you read this later, you absolutely have to make the effort to check this link. You'll die laughing.

As Nick says, if you can't open it by clicking here you can just cut and paste it into a new browser window.

http://www.lavenderliberal.com/images/bloggy/obot-behavior.jpg

LL

If you get a sunburn with the nude gyrations, you might consider one of my favorite indoor sports: Strip Scrabble.

oops my macaronin and cheese water just boiled over

LL, the wheel has been around a while. I have even read commentary on the psychology of Obama and why this wheel is so....

Of course the shrink works with Republicans so I refrained from posting the link here.

Given the Preakness, I thought you would find my horse pee reference delightful.

Take care.....

LOL Jamie. Strip Scrabble would give new meaning to the phrase "triple word score."

Ok Craig, on it's way, I sent it to your verizon address, 246 words!

Okay. Brian just beat the over-underline on filing his essay by 3.5 hours.

Wow. You're moving fast today, Brian. Your only "over" so far is sparking up your first bowl.

Dressed yet? That's the only bet outstanding.

As a follow up

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6VBD-498RP3V-2&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=c5cb1c4dcd4300daaf6132140e874843

This is just one of many scientific studies investigating social conditioning that plays a role in the contiuned male control over women. What I think personally, on the topic does not matter. What does matter is that political discussions of Feminism usually over-look the foundation as though plugging a leaky roof can corrected a broken retaining wall.

I could post several other links, but the essential fact reamins. social evolution rests largely on hormonal levels, primary conditioning and modification in the social meme. If we don't address that, nothing substantial changes as we can see in this primary. Words can be purty, but they mean squat if the deeper dynamics remain largely unchanged.

Guess this was too esoteric for the morning....

no lard, I walked the dogs wearing my birthday suit.

""triple word score."

Not to mention "Bingo!"

I don't know if Maxtrue really supports Hillary, but he actually may. I do know that if he does its because he sees her as a War Hawk who would take us into another War namely with Iran.

I have read some of the comments he has left on other sites over the past two years and he is very much into Death and War.

In fact it appeared that another poster here has been on the same sites at the same time he has been on them. Ask GORDO.

I believe that there may also be one or two more posters here who have also been on the same sites at the same time as both Maxtrue and GORDO.

He has been pushing a confrontation with Iran the whole time as well.

Since we always hear that Obama is a secret Muslim or unpatriotic I wonder where Maxtrues loyalties are. Are they America first or another countries.

Tell us Maxtrue, should we try the Israeli spy caught stealing American National Security secrets for Treason and Espionage? And if he's found guilty should we execute him?

Or do you put Israel before America?

Just wondering which countries your loyalties belong to.

got it Brian. thanks. Tomorrow is "Summer of Love" day on Trail Mix. Everyone must be nice for one full day. Giving plenty of notice so that you can get the ugly stuff out of your system today.

MaxTrue, i swear i will dig into that media law issue soon. I know you've been after me a while on that and I really should be on top of it, but too much else going on lately. Just a little more time, please.

Not to nit pick Craig, but it's still Spring.

every thing's early this year due to the extra long primary season......

yes it is, Brian, but think of it as Spring planting for Summer flowers

LOL @ Craig.

For some reason today, my email has been innundated from the right with all the "Obama as Muslim" meme stuff. Why the sudden upsurge now, I don't know. My Right wing fringe acquaintances usually exercise some semblance of control since they know I will reply with facts and that tends to disturb them. Today has been really out of the ordinary odd ... they must be getting nervous.

Craig with all the manure flung around here the garden should be bright with blooms very soon!

Anon you are an ass. We don't execute spys pinhead.

I have never posted on a site other than this with Gordo. I have in one case, posted a link that I found here by Gordo at Stubborn Facts. You candcharacterize me as the prophet of Deat and War, but I will quote for you Susan Rice (paraphrasing from yesterday). "Obama will tell Ahmadinejad that if Iran does not stop supporting terror and enriching uranium, the US will use force as a last resort". So much for your comments. I guess Obama is for Death and War too. In fact ,Obama talked about nuking Iran in 2004. He has talked about hitting Pakistan despite the US strike two days ago which brought stern warnings from the very moderate government Obama and Richardson said would go after militants more than Musharraf ever would. Do I hear an apology? Were they right?

I have never said Obama is a secret Muslim, just a person with a history of friendships with people he now distances himself from because of their unacceptable views to the American mainstream. What I pushed was more sanctions on Iran and more pressure on the Russians to stop helping Iran. The NIE states that this BUSH concept has led Iran to blink in the past. Read the NIE Report.

I have repeated what Kerry, Obama, Clinton, Biden, Edwards, Bob Kerry, Schumer, and others have said for some time now; the US should not allow Iran to build a bomb. Do you get that?

Your rant today reflects the Left Wing mindset that sees America controlled by the Jews and Israel. You suggest death for spies before you condemn the gross human rights abuses in Sudan, Iran, Syria, Burma and elsewhere. You are a one track pony filled with hate towards your singular obsession.

Iran has the worst favorability rating in the world. They export weapons and support terror. They are intent on building nukes and delivery systems and have promised to crush Israel and reverse the hegemony of Liberal Democracy.

The Mullahs now probably love reading Hitler's history despite our saving them from both the Nazis and the Soviets. They abuse women, marry off girls at twelve, cut the hands of people caught stealing an apple, hang teen gays, arrest people for dress code violations and allow citizens to stone people to death for conduct ordinary citizens decide is unIslamic. Shed any tears for that Anon?

So try and whip up false rumors about me and try to paint me as some kind of war mongering psycho, but you only prove your own mental imbalance every time you post. You the true patriot anon? Now that is a laugh and if you continue your anti-Jewish bullshit, I will really get nasty.......

Craig: Define "nice".

Max: Do you mind if I associate myself with all your remarks?

Craig, are you posing as an Obamaniac in Stark Reality Mode with this Summer of Love challenge?

http://www.lavenderliberal.com/images/bloggy/obot-behavior.jpg

(as Nick says, just copy and paste the