Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

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Craig, Are they really getting the boot?
Does that mean the working class gets thrown overboard with them?

Excellent, memorable, widely read post by a Barack supporter at Daily Kos named dawnt about something which has been discussed and fought over here ad nauseum...

"Is West Virginia Welcome in Your Democratic Party?"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/12/114237/630/544/513035

Craig, my thoughts would be that they are getting the boot because they didn't show much respect for the office when they did hold it ; )

"Jamie, I understand where you are coming from but looking in from the outside isn't the big picture about getting a Democrat in the office for the Democrats?
"

Jennbe,

That is what I mean by allowing the Clinton supporters time to move toward unity. We have been called ignorant, racist, bitter, old ... and it has been done on virtually every major network by a group that we see as overly idealistic, impractical, and jejune supporting an incompetent puppet.

You can see where there might be a problem with the unity business unless time is allowed for the various forces to come to terms. If she had bowed out when all the networks were telling her to leave, you would have to kiss the great dream good by because we would have been even more pissed then than we are now.

poor, poor Hillary, getting the boot from her own party. Comparing the election to 1972 is just absurd.

Craig,

You might be able to use this:

One of the black CNN commentators tossed off, "When was the last time a black man ran for President?". Now if anyone there knew history they might have mentioned that the last time a woman and a black man ran for President and VP It was Victoria Woodhull and Frederick Douglas in 1872

http://www.iupui.edu/~douglass/FD_Timeline.htm

Maybe this time we just reverse the ticket?

Jamie: That's cause UNITY is just a bumper sticker.

Congratulations Hillary supporters!

(And that is a great headline Craig ; )

"they didn't show much respect for the office when they did hold it ; )"

So Bill Clinton's zipper is more important to you than eight years of economic prosperity and wide ranging respect around the world.

Bush may have a lock on his zipper but it hasn't done much for the country.

Oh, so HRC won WV...it's hard to tell, as I turned on both CNN and MSNBC and they were both doing interviews talking about Obama's life...(to quote Brian..."yawn").

LOLOLOL!!

Question: Why don't Rachel Maddow (and Eugene Robinson?!) disclose that they are Obama supporters the way CNN discloses that Paul Begala is a Clinton supporter every single time he goes on? (I guess Keith Olbermann should be added to that list as well.)

Don't forget selling pardons on your way out the door Jamie. And Jamie it wasn't about his zipper it was about his wagging his finger at the American people and saying "I never had sexual relations with that woman".

"Late last week Mary K. Blige announced that, with record exec Steve Stoute, she's creating the Foundation for the Advancement of Women Now. The charity, based in Yonkers, N.Y., will offer young, single mothers vocational training and scholarships and grants for college.

"Education is key. Education is power," says Blige, who was raised in Yonkers by a single mother. "I saw the challenges women go through as a child. If I can rise from a cesspool, these women can, too."

http://www.lohud.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008805100376

Logic does not work with many SDs. There needs to be a massive "SCANDAL" bomb explosion - only then will the SDs desert Obama.

I will not be a Demobot - if not Hillary, then McCain.

Jamie I'm not refering to sex scandal, I'm refering to many other things they have done, but most of is coming from my Republican background, and I'm in no way defending President Bush. I do see see your point about letting her play it out!

: LushIsLinda Tune into fox for more fair coverage.
The others are annoying. They turned in credibility
in exchange for an agenda.

Yeah , that's why Mark Spitzer had to resign. People don't like infidelity.

And the point is that it was BILL CLINTON not HILLARY CLINTON

This total conflation that all of his sins are somehow her sins.

Michelle Obama says something absolutely atrocious so that means it is totally believed and supported by Barack Obama and we should not elect him because he really hates white people.

9/11 Thanks. This was a great read.
"Is West Virginia Welcome in Your Democratic Party?"
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/12/114237/630/544/513035

Craig,

To downplay the fact that the Democratic presumptive nominee Obama
has just lost a State primary in a 2 to 1 landslide victory to
Senator Clinton is not only absurd, it's ridiculous.

No matter how CNN and MSNBC are in overdrive tonight spinning Obama's
massive loss, implying that West Virginia, Kentucky and all those other pesky
States don't matter because, well. . .all the voters in those States are just uneducated, bigots, making less than 60 grand a year, just doesn't ring true anymore.

Hillary Clinton has a huge following that is not going quietly into that good night!

Thanks, Meg 8~)

Go Hillary! People stood in line in record numbers today to support and vote
for Hillary Clinton even when most of the media relentlessly claimed she
was doomed and dead and her campaign was over.

These voters ignored the pundits and came out in the thousands to vote
for a woman they respect and want as the next President of the U.S.

This is a victory for Hillary Clinton and she deserves great credit!

Craig,

You write: "Thirty-six years later -- and many losses in between -- Democrats find in Barack Obama the next big play to move the nation leftward."

I would like you to explain to your readers *how* exactly Obama distinguishes himself as a "leftist" or "liberal." Indeed, very little separates Obama's policies from the center-right, or "third way", politics that Bill Clinton ushered in. Trust me, I would love to see a candidate stand for my views as an anti-free market leftist, but unforunately, though I support him, I don't think that's Barack.

Craig, you've made a very conscious decision to (re)invent yourself as a conservative pundit. Chris Matthews was right to call you out on your relentless shilling for the Clinton campaign on "Joe in the Morning" the other day, and now, once again, you prove yourself to be little more than a mouthpiece for Republican propaganda. Indeed, other than the fringe Rush Limbaugh-led cooks on the right, I have seen no educated analysis that comports with your ridiculous assertion that Obama belongs in the same family as the so-called former liberals of the democratic party. To be sure, this is little more than Michael Savage-style commentary dressed up, under the auspices of CQ Politics, as political analysis. Craig, if you're going to make bold claims like this, you need to at least offer up a little evidence.

I suppose next you'll deploy the meaningless and undefined "elitist" label, eh? And you get paid for this, right? Sheesh.

To give you an idea of how stupid the delegate rules are, she will beat Sen. Obama 2:1. She will get 19 delegates and he will get 9. Even worse, WV gets fewer delegates for their population than a state that doesn't vote Democratic gets for theirs. It's insane.

I find it disgraceful that on MSNBC Matthews, Olbermann and the distinguished "Russert" were all making fun of the kind of speech Hillary was going to be making in WV. Could you imagine anyone dare to even make a non flattering remark about Prince Obama? I'm so sick of the bias, can anyone tell me if there is a possibility of Hillary going independent if Fla & Mich aren't counted? Craig, thank god for news people like you with integrity.

I am very behind in reading this blog today. I just got started on the post before this one and to the post from Jamie stating how Obama supporters have really turned him/her off Obama. I was just thinking the same thing.

When this race started I had no bad feelings re: obama just thought he needed more experience and we needed to know more about him. I was already a Hillary supporter.

I heard people in my community repeating those rumors about him being a muslim. I was quick to jump in and straighten those people out and say I am sure he is a fine candidate but needs a little more testing.

After the way this campaign has gone, the media's BS, the way the democratic leadership has managed things, I find myself literally almost hating the guy. I don't hate anything, not even snakes.

I think the Republicans started this trash fest on Hillary years ago as they realized she would eventually run for president. The democratic leadership, the weanies they have shown themselves to be, feared she could not overcome the damage that the Republican slim machine has done. The media followed suit and we have Obama.

I think the way this was all done has irreversibly hurt Obama and he will not be able to overcome it. I, for one, would have to have a frontal lobotomy to vote for him now. When this race started I would have easily voted Obama if he won the nomination. I don't think I am alone here. The dems let the republicans manipulate another one. They are pretty brilliant, evil, but brilliant.

Craig. great end to a wonderful night.. let's show the elite left we have lots of fight in us and support Hillary in her quest..to the convention..

I have been very troubled for awhile by the lack of DNC and Party elder support for Hillary particularly when she runs stronger against McCain in the electoral college.. troubled by the Obama camp trashing the Clinton presidency and labeling Bill as a racist.. troubled by the vast network that Obama seemed to build when the cost is so prohibitive.. even for him$$.. troubled by the fact that delegates were switching only one way to BO.

The only one with that much power is Howard Dean. He ran for DNC chair with massive Clinton opposition.. After he won..he and the elite left decided to highjack the Party. He went down South to open offices and outposts.. then went West to do the same. He needed a candidate that would mobilize the Southern vote to snag an electoral college state or two for his “new” electoral map and new paradigm of Dem voter. He sold out the working class rust belt Dem, as too unreliable. He figured the women would come like lemmings after the convention. He hand picked Obama and then lent his network, his Deanics and massive internet base from his own run for Pres., and he probably strong armed a delegate or two to support BO by mentioning that they would get an opponent. Obama has had the power of the establishment behind him. not Hillary

What Dean didn’t count on was the ferocious and loyal support Hillary would get and keep. So now it our turn to take back our Party. KENNEDY, KERRY, RICHARDSON ET AL…. CAN STUFF IT

REVOLT!! Stop the elites.. they have lost since 1972.

Write in Hillary.. vote Dem down ticket for a veto proof Congress. And stop the party hats from going ‘round

Utopia

Matthews and Olbermann have been shilling for Obama since this campaign started. Neither of them has the right to call out Craig Crawford simply for having the courage to provide a modicum of balance to the constant MSNBC cheerleading for Barack.

Good lord, the woman is delusional.

Jamie,

I am not arguing that Olbermann and Matthews are innocent. What I am saying is that analysis is not analysis when it's merely cheerleading, and that's what Craig's post is: nothing more than right-wing talking points. Obama=elitist, socialist, etc. While I have enjoyed Craig's commentary in the past, he's definitely gone astray these days. He can always come back, he just has to think first.

You know what I think is wrong with Hillary's primary campaign. Is that she seems to run away from the fact that she was a woman - or - try to make sure that it is NOT an issue - even though it is THE issue central to many of her supporters - and her appeal.

As an Obama supporter, I have been in a constant state of fear (until NC ; ) - that Hillary would embrace the fact that she is a female and quit listening to all those men surrounding her campaign and sitting on the sidelines.

I felt the power of New Hampshire myself. That was a touching and powerful moment. And the impact was just as impressive.

And then the media sharks set in and tried to beat back any demonstration of her real self - "back on message HRC!!"

And she listened.

The fact that she is a woman has always been her biggest appeal to me and what I thought - and learned from her supporters - was her biggest political strength.

There were always rumours that the campaign was going to be "getting to know HRC". But then when the circumstances changed, i.e., the "inevitability" dissappeared, they got back on their heels and went into attack mode. And that just showed us more of what we already knew about the Clintons.

No one doubted the fact that she was tough. Republicans have been saying that long before her recent battles (see MoJo).

If she would have shown us more New Hampshire - the "Dream Ticket" would have been as originally envisioned.

(and I would have been ok with that . . . )

P.S.:

Rachel on MSNBC has been calling for a "big speech". (I mean c'mon - we might say there "just words" but we all know they matter. Especially when a lot of people are paying attention.) I think for once - Hillary should put aside the policies and the partisanship - and tell us why she would make such a great leader.

Actually Utopia it's Hillary's talking points he's parroting, after Obama is officially the nominee then they will be right wing talking points!

:)

Warren..Hillary is doing exactly as you suggested.

Obama's Superdelegate Bamboozle
http://rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/05/rezkowatch-electability-2008-obamas.html

Watching Hillary now, she is superbly cool, calm, confident & listening to her I do not hear any thoughts of her backing down & backing out.

I won't tell my story about this one tonight, but there was a night when it was a major hit in Santa Monica

For tonight just for Hillary

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8nDdPM_Qk

So CT, it is the vast, right wing conspiracy that ruined Hillary's campaign? : )

Hillary just gave a World Class speech in West Virginia!
What an incredible woman!

If Hillary wins WV by more than 30 points Obama will lose the general election if nominated. It might be politically correct to pretend that race should not be a factor, but to be truthful we are overwhelming white in this country, oh excuse me for stating a fact even if I'll be branded a racist by some. I agree with ct's post Obama and his people made him something a lot of us whites can't stomach. My husband is black as are my children yet it is so apparently one sided that they are uncomfortable watching the news. Two of my children will be voting for the first time and they are going for Hillary as I am whether she is on the ballot or not. My husband says he's staying home.

JennBe,

Well Yes You don't think that is possible?

Warren, "I felt the power of New Hampshire myself. That was a touching and powerful moment."

Warren, you confuse me. You are so nice sometimes.

Take That arugula eaters and latte drinkers!!! : )

Oops I eat arugula and drink latte's ... so much for stereotypes.

Go Hillary..

She is such a class act.. standing tall.. and fighting on for America and all Americans. Great speech..

Thank You Hillary...

Good speech from Hill.

Looks like it is still on!!

I have got some more fight in me (and perhaps I should start keeping my advice to myself again ; )

(Plus - the two front war that hit Obama about a month ago has finally gotten into full swing on the blogs - so it should be interesting going forward!)

JennBe,

Well Yes and democrats can be such dorks that they don't even see if coming.

You don't think that is possible?

You made my night CT!!! Thank you, I can't stop laughing.

To the convention.......

It's shows an amazing contempt for the public at large to stand there and say this race is close. Typical Clinton bullshit.

The pundits must be a little nervous tonight.

Remember..ignore knothead posters!!

Just saw the last bit of her speech - looks like she is still on board for the "Dream Ticket"!!

Close enough to go to the convention.......lol

No Ct, I'm sorry, I don't.

Don't be surprised if by Thursday the SDs negate any gains she made tonight.

I agree Brian

Sturg she's almost 200 delegates behind, that's not close at all. And her pulling out the higher number tonight is not going to help win support among the SDs.

Someone give Brian his bottle and his woogie. The scary lady in the pant suit gave him nightmares and made him cry.

On to Denver!

Think I'll take my signs out for awhile..

Close enough to take it to the convention.........and nothing anyone can do to stop her........first ballot......August.......Denver......

Hillary 08.

JennBe...

It was a pleasure meeting you last Friday at Craig's event and book signing.

I left a comment near the bottom of the last post showing children harmed by our illegal war in Iraq. These could be American Children as soldiers right now fighting in this Illegal War and Occupation.

Not sure if anyone read the link I left because Americans don't want to see the images of War. They don't want to sacrifice for this War and all they really want to do is what Bush told them to do and that is go shopping.

Anyway I'm off for the rest of the night and thank you also for the pic's.

Congratulations Hillary supporters.

God Bless.

What happened to "The super delegates shouldn't decide this nomination" yelled the Obama Kool aid drinkers in February, - BrianinNYC, oh yeah he's above all the "old style politics". Was anyone watching CNN at 1:30 in the morning during Indiana when Lake county tried a Joe Kennedy move. Thank goodness for Wolf Blitzer and John King for calling them out.

Once again, Keith Olbermann quotes from Hillary's October 2007 NPR interview by stating only the first 13 words of the following portion of the interview. Hillary was asked why she left her name on the ballot in Michigan:

"It's clear this election they're having is not going to count for anything but I just personally didn't want to set up a situation where the Republicans are going to be campaigning between now and whenever and then after the nomination you know we have to go in and repair the damage to be ready to win Michigan in November 2008. I'm not going to campaign there before the you know deadlines and the February 5th window. I'm not going to spend any money there. But I did not believe that it was fair to just say "Goodbye Michigan" and not take into account the fact that we're going to have to win Michigan if we're going to be in the White House in January of 2009."

I guess its too much to ask that JOURNALISTS not cherry pick quotes for political purposes.

Ah, Craig continues to shill for Billary. Surprise, surprise. What's the over/under on the amount of SD's that Obama will net tomorrow? I think five.

Drip, drip, drip...

Thank you Anon-P, I appreciate it!

Someone give Brian his bottle and his woogie. The scary lady in the pant suit gave him nightmares and made him cry.

Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | May 13, 2008 9:37 PM

Jamie unlike you I don't go fetal and listen to second rate pop singers when I lose a battle, I'm more interested in winning the war.

Michigan and Florida will get counted. Senator Clinton is still making her
case with thousands of voters supporting her.

The question is who will beat John McCain in the general election?

As we saw tonight in West Virginia, Hillary Clinton continues to win in all the
major swing States.

But, the neoliberals-Obama posse would rather nominate their man than
a woman who can win in the general election. It's troubling.

OregonDemocrat, how are things going in your state?
If she could pull closer there I would really be happy.

9/11

Thanks for the link.
The sad thing about the Obama campaign is that with the right campaign he could have been competitive in WV
Hillbillies will vote for AAs, I've seen it happen.
When Emanuel Cleaver ran for mayor of Kansas City he pulled off a miracle. I was down in the hills for the weekend setting in the back room playing a little poker. One of the players was an old man ,20 years my senior, who also lived here in Kansas City. He ask me "what do you think about Cleaver being Mayor. " I was very non commital cringing, waiting for the next comment. I was expecting something crude and racist. But instead I heard him say that he liked him and would vote for him. Total suprise on my part. I knew then that Cleaver had pulled of a real political miracle.
Kansas City is 60% white and 32% black and he won easily.
You would think that the Obama people would be asking him for advice. But instead they are bullying him when they don't even have a handle to bully him with.
Just another example of stupidity from the Obama campaign

Jack

"Jamie unlike you I don't go fetal and listen to second rate pop singers when I lose a battle, I'm more interested in winning the war. "

Silly, silly man.

Why do the election results show 28% to 64%. Where's the other 8%?

Hey Jack,

good to see you back. I miss your music..

Julie

Meg: John Edwards.

Terry McAuliffe just told Chris Matthews what a jerk he is..in a pretty nice way..he deserved every bit of it...congratulations to Hillary Clinton for a big win and now we will fight to win again

Hillary is beating Barack by more than 2:1 because what she isn't getting John Edwards is. I don't think WV likes the Sen. from Illinois.

for any hillbillies lurkin' out there

"Tennessee Stud" played by Doc Watson and Jack Lawrence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5c1k949Zn4

Jack

Hillary is the strongest candidate.

Meg:

Hah! I agree.

I think it is because sometimes the truth is confusing and sometimes I am just confused.

(I like to think I am "nice enough"!! j/k - I am always trying to be nice unless I am trying to be mean . . . and othertimes - I guess I am just confused ; )

Interesting John Edwards pulled 7% of the vote in WV.

Just one question to Obama supporters, why, this late in the process,

is Hillary Clinton clobbering Obama 2 to 1 in these States?

If we are going down south, here's one for the educated folks that Obama doesn't think lives there:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzGx_XzxDeM

Could someone please tell me is it possible for Hillary to run as an Independent if Fla and MI don't get counted. Has it been spoken about anywhere?

"Classy" Freddie Blassie

Prof Marcia: I am not an Obama supporter but I believe Craig has answered your question in his post this evening. There is a new coalition in the Democratic party and the Clintons, as well as many of their supporters, are getting the boot. The vote tonight symbolizes the voice of the bootees.

Hillbillies will vote for AAs, I've seen it happen.
just lurkin'

lurkin, of course they will.
It's absurd to think that everyone is a racist.
I used to hear the south were all bigots- I was mortified- then moved to Texas from California and found out people aren't like that here. They're even more tolerant and respectful of everyones differences, no matter what they are. We need to have a little more confidence in our fellow Americans.

Marcia said
Just one question to Obama supporters, why, this late in the process, is Hillary Clinton clobbering Obama 2 to 1 in these States?

the answer is: probably BECAUSE of the obama supporters.

Our best chance of winning in November is to nominate Senator Hillary Clinton for President of the United States.

the answer is: probably BECAUSE of the obama supporters .sturgeone

There's a lesson to be learned here.

Linda, I don't think that would happen, she's a Democrat. It is just like the calls for John McCain to run as an independant in 2000, he is a Republican and aways will be. She's a Dem and always will be.

HRC has successfully become the successor to Karl Rove, who was, uncomfortable but true, the successor to the politics of Bill Clinton. She has appealed to ignorant, uneducated voters. If people think HRC is still competitive it is only out of ignorance, ignorance that she has deliberately fostered. To use the cliche phrase, the math isn't with her. It never has been after the Obama's run in February. Her only real accomplishment has been to appeal to the divisive, bigoted faction of the party created under Reagan. She has fractured the party by appealing soley to the fear, ignorance, and racism of democratic voters. The party is broken, however, if we have to lose the election in November because of these voters, so be it. The democratic party does not need them. Maybe the two party system no longer works. Bottom line: we should not attempt to unite a party if it means accommodating the worst aspects of the party. We should not abandon democratic party values for this.

Tonight's victory indicated to me how working class America feels about BO. To bad those with the power won't be paying attention because there's a hell of a lot more of us than there is of them.

By the way, how do you get the boot from a political party unless Teresa Heinz money has bought everybody else.

Very classy speech, but just in case things don't work out, Hillary, Canada could sure use some help. Harper has his head so far up Cheney's ass I'm surprised he can breathe on his own, and the puppet's energy guy would have to make a deal for the oil.

Linda -- Possible for HRC to run independant? yes. Probable? I would be surprised. Not that I'm opposed - but nobody has done that sucessfully in ???? years. My guess is she would wait and run again in 2012.

Maybe Craig meant "moving the country to the left leaning radical".

Craig, radical is a better word.

Russert just said that Clinton said he wouldn't run for President when he was elected Governor and then he went ahead and ran anyway ... this is a bad, bad thing.

He didn't mention that Sen. Obama said that he wouldn't run for the Presidency because he was too new to the Senate and needed more experience. This is a bad, bad thing.

karl rove is a successor to Lee Atwater......not bill clinton.............how could you not know that?

Remember..Ignore knothead posters!

Ally, Keith Olbermann's not a real journalist, he's nothing but a big fat opinionater. I took a poll today on who was the most sexist tv pundit. Russert & Matthews are a given, naturally, and I was trying to decide between Olbermann & Schuster(you were only supposed to pick three). I said to heck with it, & checked them both anyway, & it worked. KO won with 33% of the vote, Timmy & Tweety tied with 20% each.

"She has appealed to ignorant, uneducated voters. If people think HRC is still competitive it is only out of ignorance,"
Posted by: Politics of Utopia

sturgeone, is this one of the "Obama Supporters" you were talking about.

Utopia

You obviously don't know any Hillary supporters. Her biggest constituency are the women. The ones who worked for decades for the civil rights and the Democratic party. The Obama supporters have told us we aren't wanted. We have been denigrated (read your own post), disrespected, and discarded.

All we are doing is returning the favor.

West virginia native

OUT BEHIND THE BARN by Little Jimmy Dickens

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_mUz3RWKHQ

Jack

Craig:

While I like you title - I disagree with the substance of your post.

"Thirty-six years later -- and many losses in between -- Democrats find in Barack Obama the next big play to move the nation leftward."

How is Obama more "left"? Cause the National Journal says so?

I brought up two positions: Iraq withdrawal within 60 days and government mandates on healthcare - that are "hard left" positions of the Clinton campaign. And I have still not heard an argument on those facts - despite plenty of shots at my character.

Just because Obama made the correct call on the Iraq war - and has won the support of the far left - does not mean that that "defines" him as some leftie wing-nut. Plenty of people were against the war from the outset. And even more are against it now.

I have no problem discussing how Obama's vision for the future is "far left" - cause everything he has been saying has been ringing true with plenty of Americans - so I welcome that debate.

But if you think he is "far left" because of his crazy preacher - you know the one Hannity is obsessed with - and some nut job terrorizing anarchist - than you are looking in the wrong direction.

Childers winning in MS. So much for Obama hurting down ballot candidats.

meg........bingo.

Thanks for the answer JennBe, I've always been a Democrat but I'm from Sarasota Fla and I'm not so sure that I even know what my party means anymore. We got shafted by the Repub's in 2000 and now my own party is doing it again. I'm not so sure Hillary can feel the loyalty in her own party as one by one they are turning their backs on her. What does she really have to lose? If Obama loses the general everyone will blame her anyway, not the obvious weakness in his profile. She will always be reviled, but to win as an Independent she could accomplish her agenda which will appease those who will benefit even if they were for Obama. Maybe what Clinton and company are truly holding out for is a reason to break away by showing the voters she can get response in record numbers. I can only hope.

21% of West Virginians said race was important, attagirl Hillary! You've captured the scum bag vote, something to be proud of!

Hey Rez, where you been as of late?

"Just another example of stupidity from the Obama campaign"

Jack, that's not a very smart comment considering the circumstances.

Obama/Clinton '08

or

Obama/Edwards '08

(Time will tell. My other favorites are Biden and Rendell.)

Jamie,

This is the sort of position that I find absolutely absurd. Why vote for someone simply because of gender? That would be like me, happening to like the color purple, only supporting the candidate who also loves purple. I am sympathetic to women's rights issues. Indeed, sexism has for to long taken root in this country, however, supporting a nasty, hateful candidate because she happens to be a women is not a sign of courage or solidarity. It makes you a dupe.

Hi Ally, Oregon Democrat, Sturgeone and other Hillary folks,

I think it's telling that Obama gave no speech tonight at all after Hillary's
landslide victory in West Virginia. As a gentleman and so-called uniter, I would have thought Obama would have congratulated Clinton on her huge win. Now, he just seems like a sore loser, marginalizing and ignoring a woman who is such a powerhouse in the Dem party.
What do you think?

The lake with relatives. lol had to take a break from the social- cons here for a bit.

Great news from Miss. and it's so rare we get good news coming out of Miss.

Indeed, sexism has for to long taken root in this country, however, supporting a nasty, hateful candidate because she happens to be a women is not a sign of courage or solidarity. It makes you a dupe.

so you support obama.......does that make you a hope-a-dope?

Prof. Marcia: What in the world could Obama say tonight? I believe it is best that he stay out of the spotlight this evening. It's just too alarming that the presumptive nominee loses a swing state by nearly 40 points three weeks prior to the end of the primary season.

And let's not forget why I support Barack Obama in all of the excitement.

http://www.dailykos.com/user/Warrentowers13

sturgeone wrote:

so you support obama.......does that make you a hope-a-dope?

What is that supposed to be? Oh, I get it. You were trying to make a joke.

oops: Politics of Utop said:
Indeed, sexism has for to long taken root in this country, however, supporting a nasty, hateful candidate because she happens to be a women is not a sign of courage or solidarity. It makes you a dupe.

so you support obama.......does that make you a hope-a-dope?

good time at the Lake I hope.

Dear Politics of Utop:

It is most certainly not a joke.

SUPER D'S need to JUMMP SHIP...GET ON BOARD WITH HILLARY.!!!

Before it is toooooooo late to win the general election.

"good time at the Lake I hope."

Not to bad , all Obama voters. No fights. LOL but we're still too cold here to enjoy water.

Utopia, welcome, great comments, especially inre our host.

prof marcia..I have often been disturbed by Obama's lack of grace, his disrespect toward the Clintons and the Clinton years.

His dismissive, adolescent looks and gestures at rallies often show great disrespect.

I thinik Barack grew up as the special child, worshipped by Mom and Grandma. Now, he has supporters who fill that role. He doesn't handle rejection very well..just my take..

Remember..ignore knothead posters!

Utopia

The Obama folks really have problems with their reading ability. I am not supporting Sen. Clinton because she is a woman. I am a woman supporting Sen. Clinton because she is the most qualified.

It is the Obama campaign that has marginalized us into a group they say they don't need to win.

The BHO campaign strategy of avoiding a revote in Michigan and Florida has worked perfectly. They were banking on the SDs to "shoot their wad early" and help his momentum. Perhaps, West Virginia will stop the slide, but I doubt it. I just think HRC has the stamina of Margaret Thatcher...really impressive.

Enjoyed Huckabee tonight on BONBC he stiffled KO and Christ Matthews.

I am happy - Hillary kicked ass!

Personally, I truly believe Obama can not win the GE.

Obama is a shell of a man, no speech....what a discount and arrogant dismissive attitude towards his supporters in W V.

I am sure many there worked their hearts out for him, I guess they mean nothing.

You know, as a Republican it is rather amusing to see the press finally beat up on someone other than a Republican. This is what they've done to every Republican since I've been old enough to vote,

OD

Emma Margraf Volunteer, Coordinator/Oregon for Hillary has sent out an email to "grab your keys" to come to Oregon to campaign for Hillary.

I think it's very bad manners to insult your host. Do people come to your house and tell you you're stupid? Oh, wait, I think I know the answer to that.

What does history call a man, a man, who can not graciously concede defeat?

unlikely_burrito

Talking about "arrogant dismissive attitude," what do you think about HRC letting Obama's congratulations call go to her voicemail?

Also to Jamie:

My apologies, though I don't pretend to be a stand-in for Obama supporters at large, I did indeed misread your post. Looking at it just now, it was clear that my passion overrode the details of your message.

jeejee...nor do they tell me I am bitter or clinging to my religion.

Utopia,

It's okay a black friend of mine said she didn't know whether to get a hysterectomy or a skin peel. ... she's just a wee bit conflicted, though she does say the conflict is between pride and better judgement. : )

Emmy- please tell me what Terry said to Matthews. I would have paid to see it! thanks

Politics of Utop said:
Talking about "arrogant dismissive attitude," what do you think about HRC letting Obama's congratulations call go to her voicemail?

I think it's apt.

Wino, no offense to you, I was speaking of that utopia persona and the other one. I don't know how to quote comments, & my connection here is very slow & comments here move faster than I see them, & mine don't land where they should.

But I am neither religious or bitter. Just happy to be here. It would be nice if I could sign in, though.

Politics of Utopia,

Actually, I think he was lucky to get through considering his remark over the past weeks. She should have call-blocked him.

Utopia

"Obama's congratulations call go to her voicemail"

Have you ever worked on a political campaign? The candidate rarely carries their "immediate contact" cell phone. That is normally carried by a close aide. Unless there was a scheduled time for him to call, she could have been in a meeting, in makeup, in conference. The aide could have been in another meeting, out on the floor with the crowd ... the possibilities are numerous. To top it off, Obama may have used a phone other than his normal "immediate contact" number and the aide didn't recognize it and let it go to email

In other words, why assume the worst without the data to make a decision?

jeejee,

If you read my posts carefully, it's clear that I am not calling Craig stupid. In fact, I have said on a couple occasions that I really used to enjoy his political analysis. However, I don't think the example of the rude house guest applies here. This is the blogosphere. When someone offers a comments section to their post, it is a space for people to offer up critique, biting and pointed as that may be. It was not my intention to insult Mr. Crawford, but merely to give him a hard time. He's a pro at this, trust me, he's used to it.

So the Arkansas dead-enders are in for the ride, that's okay. Will just have to wait a few more weeks. I understand being in debt.

Jamie,

Good points, however, come on. It's the night of an election. It's expected that your opponent will call. Are you seriously trying to defend HRC here? How hard is it to take a 30 second perfunctory call before you take the stage, get ready, etc.? The notion that an aide would have HRC cellphone and not recognize the presumptive nominee's number is kind of silly. Just saying...

Sorry, jeejee...that is a drag when the posts are slow..I thought you were referring to the BHO campaign ignoring Kentucky (like West Viriginia). Being rude by not campaigning or visiting states like West Virginian and Kentucky.

jee jee

Do you know how to highlight? If so, highlight what you want to copy. Right click and drag down and left click on copy.

Come to where you want to put the quote and right click again and drag down to "paste" and left click ... magic.

y

He needs neither to win, Oregon is going to put him over the top.

I heard tonight BHO still outspent HRC in West Virginia...is that true?

Nick: Actually, I have already started to detach. it is what it is.

But, it actually is cold here tonight. I am waiting for some of that global warming! Mother's Day was rainy and chilly too. I'm fed up!

Hope you are having a great night!

Ignore knothead posters!

Utopia

I'm just saying that the Obama supporters always seem to ascribe the worst possible motives and machinations to anything associated with Sen. Clinton. Election nights are absolutely insane ... for all we know he might have dialed the wrong campaign number since there are multiple cell phones all of which might carry a message in her voice.

Mistakes happen constantly. Until it is 3 am and you have been up for 48 hours straight and do something incredibly dumb that gets 20 people screaming at you .. you haven't worked a campaign.

Everything that goes wrong is usually more accident than evil.

More than likely he did outspend here, why the hell not. He's got the cash and she doesn't.

Blonde Wino, you can understand why he doesn't think he should bother, but he wouldn't lose anything by trying. I'm sure he would be welcome wherever he showed up. Except maybe Inez, that's solidly for McCain.

And...Pee-U, there's a fine line between insult & critique.

I heard tonight BHO still outspent HRC in West Virginia...is that true? Posted by: Blonde

Blonde, I read that today too. But I have no idea where. I've been to so many sites.

Brian,
Sorry to inform you, the sad truth is, that even if he ( your man Obama) gets the nomination, he will lose the GE.

if I am wrong you can dance your fool head off.

But seriously, this is the biggest issue thus far - who can win the GE.

Goodnight all...

Perhaps since Obama thought he had visited 57 states, he dialed the wrong number.

Good Night all. Enjoy the fussing.

burrito you keep saying that, you have nothing to go on but your own opinion and Hillary spin. I'll take it for what it's worth.

Good night..

That's okay with me. Just saying I think it may be what will happen, and if it does, it will be a sad day for the country.

One more thing before I go: Did anyone catch the Missouri speech Obama gave today? It was terrible. Just terrible. I know that they are taking him out of big arenas and putting him at the same height as the attendees (the real people) but I think his performance actually suffers when he does smaller townhall events. He can't seem to get his rhythm without a big crowd setting the pace. I witnessed it personally in Iowa.

I can't wait to see the newspaper headlines tomorrow, how are they gonna spin this towards Obama, I'm already hearing, "well if he would have put a little more time in WV, they really don't know him as well as the Clintons"....he isn't even getting one county, which will be a first in this primary, this is the presumptive nominee with three weeks to go and the powers to be think he can win a general election against that patriot McCain? let's see them spin that.

Ohmigod. Pat Buchanan is making the same point RIGHT NOW that I just made on the blog two minutes ago about Obama's speech today. Now I am very frightened. Pat and I are LITERALLY on the same wavelength!

Burrito most polls show Obama coming out stronger in a head to head against McCain. No Democrat can win Penn or Ohio without the black vote. If the nomination is taken away from Obama by the SDs blacks will boycott the election and Hillary has no chance of winning at all. By my reckoning she is unelectable.

"In other words, why assume the worst without the data to make a decision?"

That is the media's job.

Jamie, thanks. I just saw your post. This computer really is so slow tonight, it feels like I'm in another time zone. I need to get off here, now. I'm so tired, I'm typing out of my head to the wrong people. Good night, everyone.

Burrito what do you think will happen to the Democratic Party if African American voter deserts the party? Because if the nomination is given to a white person who has less votes and less delegates than the black guy running that's exactly what will happen.

Goodnight all, it's been fun. Remember, sometimes we get a little heated here, but nothing is personal. That's the great thing about politics!

OD,
He was probably eating a cheap steak when he dialed and not some other insidious reason you're hoping to bring up.
Makes me wonder if od stands for oregon dittohead. :)

It is such relief to find like-minds here at this post. One thing that is completely beyond me and that is, each time Donna Brazille is questioned about FL & MI, she always says, "they broke the rules and won't be seated". Why doesn't someone point out to Donna and other DNC members that sometimes the parents of a recalcitrant child have to use their brains in the punishment of those children - perhaps punishing FL & MI under normal circumstances could be justified. But these are do or die circumstances with this fierce fight between these two candidates and their equally loyal supporters. We are talking about PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, for God's sake! NOT a game of Got'cha. As a Hillary supporter, I am going to feel that this election was stolen from HER if 1) this continues to be the only answer they have , 2) Hillary's popular vote in both states is not counted, 3) also receiving the corresponding delegates. I have read that the DNC members, along with Howard Dean, and Rep. James Clyburn (SC) tailor-made the primary schedule for BO. There is no question that Donna Brazille is a very defensive supporter of BO. She was shockingly praising the Clintons' tonight on their WVA victory, but Donna, you are not fooling me for one minute. You are now trying to win over the Hillary supporters. it's too late. You have totally aleignated me and other Hillary supporters beyond rehabilitation. I could never betray myself and support this man who does not deserve to be where he is for lots of reasons, not the least of which are the people I've named above.

Actually, I think the whole thing is a mess, but, I think that it is a good mess in the long run. Historically, AA have not voted consistently. Many major urban areas are filled with African American's who feel left out, and dis-enfranchised.

Maybe through involvement they will feel more connected to their government. And perhaps, they will be able to present their needs and concerns as something more then "just a voting block" for politicians to pander to and exploit.

My one slim hope, is that Obama isn't using them ( the AA community) for his own political gains. Unfortunately, deep down, I think he is.

Jamie,

i know you're conscientious about your vote, but don't you think there are many older women voting for Hill just because she's female? Nothing wrong with that, just as it's okay imo for blacks to vote for Obama because of race.

So why am I not surprised that Hillary won as big as she did in a Klan state.

Do you really expect a black man running for President on a ballot with a White person to win in a racist state?

God Bless

You have totally aleignated me and other Hillary supporters beyond rehabilitation. FranSC

Fran, I hear ya

Clinton won both Ohio and Penn without the black vote

"Historically, AA have not voted consistently" Do you make this shit up as you need it? What do you base that on? The left and the AA blocks are the most loyal group the Dems have. Lets try to stop saying things as we wish they were and stick to some facts here, geez..

Burrito:

Of course he is using the black comunity for his own political gain. The black newspapers have stated that he is not advertising with them, he showed disrespect when he could not even take time to fo the black convention. Hilla