Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Morning ....Craig, great video..

Nothing on Trail Mix is good news for Barack Obama. So what's new? When Barack is elected, Trail Mix will declare it a defeat.

OMG, Craig! Don't you ever want to be invited back to MoJo?

Why would they have Craig on MoJo....his view points are FAIR.

"I didn't leave the Democratic Party. It left me."
Posted by: prof marcia Author Profile Page | May 16, 2008 6:16

marcia, That's what Hillary said back in the 60's about the Republican Party.

And I agree with you. Things change.

Barack Obama: the new Great Redeemer
First it was Kennedy... now the US media are prostrating themselves before the saviour
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/gerard_baker/article3941450.ece

So, all MSM is playing off the same sheet of music.
Question, who is the conductor of this orchestrated attack against Mrs Clinton and the feminist movement?
Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | May 16, 2008 6:42 AM

Flatus, Who do you think is behind it?

Ellen's getting married.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080516/ap_en_tv/people_ellen_degeneres

This morning, before we left Gyeongju (YES!! we found family!) I had the privilege of telling my 16-year old grandniece why I support Mrs Clinton and why I believe her election is vitally important to women and girls in America.

I also pointed out to her that unlike the Philippines, where she has been doing high school, that Korea has never had a woman president either. So, I gave her the same spiel that I regularly present to her 16-yo cousin in South Carolina.

Sad news with the good. Stinky's two brothers and one of her two remaining sisters had died since we had last made contact. Nevertheless it was a joyous reunion and family raced in from across the country.

When we left for Seoul this morning there were tears in all our eyes.

what i think campaigns like those mean is that even if a conservative democrat wishes to distance himself or herself from obama, republicans of every stripe (except maybe delusional psychotic republicans) want to distance themselves from the failures of the bush/cheney administration, hence the democratic victories in the house recently.

Meg, I have to believe it's someone with a tremendous financial interest in the outcome. I don't know who and I don't know if they are betting on the success or the failure of an Obama administration.

I don't know who and I don't know if they are betting on the success or the failure of an Obama administration. Flatus

I take it that means you don't know if it's the Republicans or Democrats. It's obvious that whatever and whoever has grouped together behind Obama is huge. But the feminist movement attack just happens to be what they consider a weak spot. It could just as easily have been something else.

Flatus, by the way.
Congratulations on "mission accomplished"!

good morning gang.....

Craig.... interesting perspective...... but I suspect Childers' win has more to do with anti-Bush sentiment and the fact that Childers was a conservative enough Democrat to be acceptable to his district.....

Flatus..... sorry about the sad news for Stinky..... hope you're both having a great time anyways...... and thanks for taking the time to post to us.....

Excellent point Craig... the Mississippi Congressional candidate did nothing to defend Barack Obama. I have to say, I doubt Mississippi will matter to either Dem in the general, but the point that using Barack as an evil "liberal" dart board will start "defining" him in more negative ways could certainly hurt him. That said, it could be just as bad if Hillary was the perceived nominee.

Good Morning,

Meg, thanks for quoting me. Flatus, poignant post. Tan, I love your
one liner, "Why would they have Craig on MoJo.? He's fair." Great!
Have you noticed how CNN and MSNBC have virtually shut out
Hillary lately, like she's irrelevant? Charming media we have in this country.

Craig, the "Mississippi Mixed Blessing" video is really good.

Craig, someone said you were on Imus yesterday. Did you really say your bloggers were lab rats? What have you learned about Hillary supporters from us?

The thing is, I wasn’t pro-Hil’ry in the beginning. She has shown herself to be, in my eyes, the most capable candidate.

However, in the past month or so, when she refused to drop out, a really misogynistic vibe has appeared. (Go back to the kitchen, little lady, and let the men eat their dinner and discuss the important issues.)

I’m beginning to think that it IS important that the best candidate is also a woman. If the media continues to agitate in this manner, women could move toward Hil’ry in a way that I think the media (& maybe Hil’ry) had expected they would. Clinton could have a huge showing with WRITE-IN campaign.

PS – Craig, It’s eating posts, again.
PPS – Will there be any festivities for the 4th anniversary? The way we all snipe these days, methinks the honeymoon may be over.

"(YES!! we found family!)"

Flatus! That is such good news!!!!!!

Morning all... A+ for Craig today..

And did you hear the Freudian slip of BHO... or maybe programmed? He refers to himself as "Formal Liberal" Change Change everywhere the Change..... This maybe the start of the Change to ATTEMPT TO REDEFINE Himself from the fact the he is so far left.
This will not be allowed, spots do not change, they just get bleached or painted over but the liberal remains.

Who is BHO? I can not trust him... How can you?

Good Morning Peeps!

Perfect video Craig! I sent the link around. This is exactly what my Capitol Hillbilly friends have been talking about with the special elections in LA and Miss. How about the reactions of other down ticket candidates in the red states that Obama won? Will it be "Obama who? I don't even know the guy!"

(Thank you DNC! May I have another?)

Flatus...congratulations on your successful journey, even though you found heartache as well as joy...you made the journey and that's what is most important.

Patsi...here's a good, Obama-esque line to use on those sexist pigs in the ranks of his supporters:

"You are the one whose ass I have been waiting to kick."

Kind of has a nice ring to it, don't you think?

Craig...the videos keep getting better and better. Good production values, but still retaining that "homemade" feel. I think you're definitely pioneering a new form of political reporting.

Flatus, I join my fellow t-mixers and continue to wish you and fam the best.

Bush attacks Obama in Israel for wanting to talk to the Iran & Hamas, and Clinton denounces Bush.

Didn't Hillary make the same criticism of Obama during the debates?

Have a good day to all, as I depart to my evil capitalistic world as we work to keep and create jobs and benifits for others that want to work and contribute to our evil ways..... and others that want to join that this is the what America entitles you tooooooo......

Craig- my thought upon viewing the video was that no matter if the candidate was Obama, Clinton, Kerry or Gore- the ads would have been essentially the same, as would have been the denials and independence expressed by the candidate.

But agree with Renee- this is more about Bush than anything else and the damaged repub brand. AS I posted yesterday, my favorite fact was that the NRCC spent 20% of their entire budget on this race.

The repubs have no money, no influence, no issues, no momentum, and no voter turnout this year.

I also noticed that you said "democrat candidate"- and left off the "ic" - was that intentional?

Craig, someone said you were on Imus yesterday. Did you really say your bloggers were lab rats?

I like to think of it as more of a "control group".

Ping Pong...all true, I guess, unless you have a "pre-existing condition." Then America just lets you rot.
Have fun in the money pits.

""You are the one whose ass I have been waiting to kick."
Kind of has a nice ring to it, don't you think?"

ROFL! Excellent, as usual, Lard!

Well, regarding McCain's position on women's rights- one cannot dispute that the court had swung right under Bush- and younger justices too.

I do not see that bringing up Roe v. Wade and the side effects of its reversal- the reversal that McCain supports- is threatening women because they are child bearers as written above. If anything , it should be a wake up all to all "child bearers" to realize that this right is seriously at rick in another republican administration. And it does that matter if the person shouting the warning is a female or male.

Flatus

Stinky was so fortunate to find family though I'm sure saddened to have lost some before she got there for the reunion

Craig,

I think there will be a lot of R's becoming D's just to hang on to their majority benefits. We may see a reverse in direction of the old Dixiecrats turned Republicans now coming back from Dixie to Demoland. Nothing of their opinion will really change.

Meg...if we're going to have to put up with being called "lab rats" then we should demand that Craig start giving us food pellets when we ring the bell with a particularly good post. (Of course, I guess that also means he can administer a shock if we say something that makes the "bad post buzzer" go off).

Of course, I guess that also means he can administer a shock if we say something that makes the "bad post buzzer" go off).
Posted by: LardassLiberal

Maybe that's why the site went down yesterday!

Actually...in fairness to Craig, the way I heard it was that he called the blog "a laboratory of political opinion" or something like that. He didn't call us rats.

Maybe someone conflated Craig's description with whatever it was Imus said that was an insult.

Kathy -- the biggest risk to Roe V. Wage has been at the state level for YEARS. That's where they've been whittling away at pro-choice. Also, your pals at Kos and others like it have long been saying that it might be a good idea to "let up some" on pro-abortion ideas to get the right off their backs.

And you are wrong. It IS being used as a threat.

Patsi-
I have no idea why you are attacking me- about my "pals at Kos"- what does that mean? I never visit that site- probably 12 times total- ever.

I never said "threat"- I know for many women I know no matter who they supported in this primary or in 2000 or 2004, the concern about Roe is their top concern.

LaL & Meg
Maybe we're a new reality series called "The Guinea Pig Gong Show"

Wow! That came and went in less than 10 seconds. Did anyone else catch what Mika was just saying about the "Not So Fast" poster in connection with Clinton support? She raced through it so the image on the screen was practically subliminal.

I suppose this is the MSNBC idea of covering something positive about Clinton.

Are we up and running. Yesterday I think Craig's' spot on Imus caused the servers to go on the fritz.

the imus deal was that CC was judging the possibility of general democratic unity in november by the microcosm of bloggers on here who have said the most horrendous nasty things to each other.....will the wounds heal by november.........to paraphrase....if he did say "lab rats" that's not so far off the mark, now, is it?

LaL & Meg
Maybe we're a new reality series called "The Guinea Pig Gong Show" patd

Wonder how our ratings are doing?

Faced with the prospect of a McCain Presidency, whatever rancor has developed among Democrats over Obama vs Clinton will evaporate.

Kathy....I apologize then....but Kos -- and I use that as a catch-all for so many so-called progressive sites -- is where a lot of the concepts I see that are subtly sexist start out. Just re-read that quote I posted from the O-bot and you'll see the threat.

Obviously I'm concerned about Roe -- but as I said, the under-the-counter war being waged against it is almost a bigger problem. I also am not sure if the right will allow Roe to go down. Without it, they only have gay marriage in their bag of tricks.

Given the way the servers go down whenever the traffic goes up, it is a reminder that when there are too many rats in a cage they start dining on each other.

Boy, did I get excited early today. Sorry about all the spelling errors. nick

You don't actually think we meant anything negative about Craig do you? We were joking about ourselves, not him. We love Craig.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw

Given the way the servers go down whenever the traffic goes up, it is a reminder that when there are too many rats in a cage they start dining on each other.

Speaking of lol

The Obamabots in the media are a joke.

I CAN'T WAIT to vote against Obama this fall!

I tried posting this yesterday but I don't think it got through. If so, well some may have missed it. This article is from the current New Republic, written by Cinque Henderson, who happens to be one of those 10% Afro-Americans who aren't buying into the BHO's spoon feed pablum dish that is constantly being served-up by the BHO surrogates and the MSM; actually they are one in the same.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=331c77bb-9591-422c-aa2b-11a741c6ebb9

Jamie........but the rats which follow the big rats and make it into the smaller cages off the sides of the big cage manage to set up normal rat households, right?

blueindallas,

I too have been troubled by the significant increase of mysoginist under tone. What I find particularly unforgiveable is the fact that Howard Dean has never once spoken out about the slurs hurled at Hillary by the MSM during this primary. As a former First Lady ,two term Senator, and one of the Democratic candidates, it was the DNC's responsibility to defend her. Look how they rallied yesterday when W called BO and "appeaser".

As the DNC and surrogates for their hand picked establishment candidate strive to railroad Hillary out of the campaign, the not so subliminal message is astounding. The mere fact that BO has re-directed his efforts to the GE is appalling and dismissive to Hillary and millions of women. It's pretty obvious how substantially the DNC has supported BO vs Hillary.

She is not irrevelant especially after WV. His strutting and preening just adds to his arrogant persona. But we are smart and will find a way to reject this flawed candidate.

WRITE IN HILLARY IN NOV...

.but the rats which follow the big rats and make it into the smaller cages off the sides of the big cage manage to set up normal rat households, right?

yeah, but can you imagine how fast they multiply?
overcrowded again.

My recollection of Craig's comments on Imus were
that he considered his listers as a "laboratory" reflecting the contrasts between Clinton/Obama supporters & the way we go at each other. I did not
hear Craig call us "lab rats".

Also, Imus said he had read the list & I believe his
actual comment about all of us was that we are "losers", not "stupid".

Nick you need to stick around for happier times. We tease each other and we tease Craig. Some time in the future the spitting and clawing will stop. We may have to separate a few of the trailmixers with neutral bodies but this should go back to being the sunshine spot of political websites courtesy of the host from the Sunshine state that doesn't exist this year (sorry had to get that in)

Meg, well I did admit to overly excitedness. My bad.: nick

I respect your defending Craig, I would too. I'm sorry if my joking around offended you.

and, believe me, I don't want to buy anything Obama is selling.

Go Hillary!

I thought Imus was refering to bloogers in general not specifically Clisters. As I understood Craigs comment, that this blog was a borometer for the democratic party, which can give insight about the prospect for the party uniting after the convention.

My prediction: Not very likely.

My other observation: Tweety loves "Sweety"

(some of us reserve the right to be "stupid losers"........)
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.but the rats which follow the big rats and make it into the smaller cages off the sides of the big cage manage to set up normal rat households, right?

yeah, but can you imagine how fast they multiply?
overcrowded again.

many a rat has gotten the boot into the main cage.

to utilize Mark Twain:

MORAL.

If the reader thinks he is done, now, and that this book has no moral to it, he is in error. The moral of it is this: If you are of any account, stay at home and make your way by faithful diligence; but if you are "no account," go away from home, and then you will have to work, whether you want to or not. Thus you become a blessing to your friends by ceasing to be a nuisance to them—if the people you go among suffer by the operation.

Flatus,

As the others have already said, its wonderful that
you & your wife were able to find some family members
in Korea, thanks for keeping us updated.

When Imus calls someone a drunk or an addict, he quickly reminds us that his is a recovering addict/alcoholic. He uses that as his permission slip to demean people. Imus needs to take that procedure a step further when he calls anyone a loser.

News on the Kansas frontier. Local news are touting a possibility that Kathleen Sibelius is on the very short list for Vp for BHO. It had been rumored that she was going to be running for the Senate. But have not heard a thing about that. Another democrat named Slattery is running for senate. Not sure when her term is up as governor.

Julie

She is not irrevelant especially after WV. His strutting and preening just adds to his arrogant persona. But we are smart and will find a way to reject this flawed candidate. bowwow

Not only arrogant, but inappropriate.
And as far as Howard Dean not defending Hillary, I think he was behind the scenes, adding and supporting the defamation.

Long time lurker checks in: wow, you all discourage me tremendously.... What kind of people are willing to sacrifice the bigger issues - the war, health care, economic justice, social justice, the environment - over their own personal political investment? Both candidates are roads in the right direction - mine wins, yours loses, yours wins, mine loses....what's the difference against the Republican steamroller of destruction? Wake up - this isn't about you. This whole misogyny thing...it is becoming a classic propaganda play and a sad one, considering how serious sexism is really. Do you think if it went the other way that the Obama people would be crying racism? Just curious.

The anti Obama sentiment is growing....

Radio Talk Show Host Steve Corbett from Hillary’s home town in PA Has launch a mass campaign called OPERATION TURN DOWN letting the DNC know we will TURN DOWN OBAMA.. we Will NOT vote from him under Any
circumstance and he talks about their treatment of Sen Clinton. People called in from all over the states saying NO OBAMA. Hillary supporters now have a voice that will reach MILLIONS. Tomorrow OPERATION TURN DOWN continues at 3 p.m est this is going to grow MASSIVE Please call in and tune in tomorrow this is going to wake up the DNC and the superdelegates http://wilknetwork.com/

What kind of people are willing to sacrifice the bigger issues - the war, health care, economic justice, social justice, the environment - over their own personal political investment?
Posted by: TP from CT/NC

I'll give it some thought.

"Do you think if it went the other way that the Obama people
would be crying racism? "

Duh, they have.

"Do you think if it went the other way that the Obama people would be crying racism? Just curious."

TP

They already have frequently without basis in fact ... It has been one Obama talking head after another throwing that slime ball at the Sen. Clinton or her supporters since NC with repeats in virtually every primary since.

"Do you think if it went the other way that the Obama people would be crying racism? Just curious."

Yes.

Just saw this on

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/15/why-obama-cannot-win-but-hillary-can

General Election: One person. One private vote. No busloads of pushy college kids to overshout and bully people. Disabled people who can’t caucus get to vote. Elderly people who can’t caucus get to vote. People who work for a living during caucus shifts get to vote. People with small babies who couldn’t caucus get to vote. Every insulted person in America who had their vote decided by caucus before they got to know Obama will get to vote. Iowa will get that chance to revote now that they know Obama. Jews all get to vote. Hispanics all get to vote, even the ones in Florida. Michigan and Florida get to vote. Italians get to vote. Gays and lesbians get to vote. Those annoying old people get to vote. Pissed off women get to vote. Everybody gets to vote in a General Election. This is going to be ugly, Barry. Just plain ugly. I shall enjoy it.

It is the nature of democracy that we win some and we lose some....we don't actually get to steer the ship, we only get to put a hand on the wheel and hope the general course is toward open water.

Craig, did you call us or did you not call us guinea pigs on Imus?
It was prof marci in an earlier post that said you referred to us as "lab rats". Possibly, brother rats, we are suffering from an experimental drug-induced dream state here in our nation cage.

I think the ship may have flown into the mountain.

HRC is the only D candidate that can give JC a good run. Wonder if somewhere back in the deep recesses of her mind is she not considering running as a Independent? Not only would kill BHO's chances of ever sitting behind the desk in the Oval Office. If HRC went Independant, she just might draw enough tired and sick D's R's and I's to her side. I think she have a very good chance of winning the election. She have a much better chance winning the WH as an Indy, then BHO will have as the D's nominee.

It is the nature of democracy that we win some and we lose some....we don't actually get to steer the ship, we only get to put a hand on the wheel and hope the general course is toward open water.
Posted by: TP from CT/NC

yeah, but what if we see the ship going in the wrong direction. What if we don't think the guy that's about to be appointed Captain know's how to steer?

FD

Naturally she has the right to change her mind, but she has already said she will campaign for the "Party"

Nick , I've also heard it as:

"Either you stand for somethin' or get knocked down for nothin."

Craig,

Good videocast today. More thoughts later.

An article on the "sweetie" comment.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080516/COL02/805160301&GID=/BusdbS5w+ovhxGGU1WNzl45Ft3cVMM/YKdYJPyt9DY%3D

Wonder if somewhere back in the deep recesses of her mind is she not considering running as a Independent? FryDaddy

If only. And there are a lot of people that are fed up with both parties. We know where she stands on everything and have a good idea how she'd govern too. But Hillary is too loyal to do that. She won't.

Here is a link to the behavior cycle

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s71/jessied44/ObomaManiacBehaviorG.jpg

yeah, but what if we see the ship going in the wrong direction. What if we don't think the guy that's about to be appointed Captain know's how to steer?

The choice of captain will be a choice between McCain and the Dem....this discussion is about who that Dem is and my point is plain - you all are so invested personally in this contest that you are willing to vote for a continuation of the current administration policies rather than accept an Obama outcome if it should be so. That what worries me and many others like me. It is not a reaction to Obama, but to your own disappointment and frustration, as understandable as that may be.

BOWWOW44

Your post of 10:04 was right on the mark.

Does anyone really believe BHO would be in the position to be the D's presidential nominee if we knew earlier on what we know now about him? The D leadership needs to be reminded that the majority of their voters are women, and they should get over their guilt issues they have if they don't support BHO because he happens to be Black (half Black) that they will lose the Black vote, they won't lose the Black vote, and they need to nominate the best candidate which happens to be HRC. This is really a no-brainer. I told you all several weeks ago a big shoe was about to fall on BHO. I was wrong, instead of one big shoe, BHO will go down in defeat by a thousands little feet fleeing the D party. The run to the exits has just begun.

Anyone in California's 13th District, you have a traitor for a Congressman

The District voted overwhelmingly for Senator Clinton. Pete Stark has gone against the will of the voters and endorsed Sen. Obama.

Here is his contact page

http://www.house.gov/stark/contact/index.htm

The Republicans are attacking Obama. They realize the Democratic primary is over.

How long is it going to take for you Hillary people to figure this out?

It is not a reaction to Obama, but to your own disappointment and frustration, as understandable as that may be."

That's just not true for me. I don't trust the man. I don't like who he is or what he stands for, aside from Hillary. That's what the DNC is not getting. If Hillary were his vp then maybe, because I know she'd be there looking over his shoulder. Otherwise, there's no way I could help him get into the White House." TP from CT/NC

The disappointment and frustration is there. It would have been nice to see the playing field level. It would have been nice if the media hadn't had a love affair with Obama. It would be nice if they hadn't shoved him in our face while telling us how great he is 24/7. But that is no the driving force with me. I don't trust him.

Obama is dangerous - do the research!

I have never voted for a Repub - if not Hillary, then McCain.

How long is it going to take for you Hillary people to figure this out? " nash

Forgive us nash, we're slow. Bitter and slow.

Meg
In your considerations, take into account that the Congress will be overwhelmingly Democratic. Thus, should McCain become President, he will not have a blank check.
The current Congress, finally finding its feet, passed the farm bill (Bush had threatened a veto) with a veto-proof super-majority.
Just yesterday they sent to the President's desk an order to stop filling the SPRO (already 98% full). Although GWB had threatened a veto, he now states that he will accept the legislation.
Any judge, justice, or political appointee proposed by a President McCain will have to win the approval of a Democratic Senate.
In the six years of divided government under Pres Clinton, many good things were accomplished.
In the six years of unified government under President George Bush, many bad things came to pass.
Finally, John McCain has shown, throughout his Senate career, a willingness to cooperate with Democrats.

I might change my mind if Sen Obama were to choose a centrist supporter of Hillary as his VP (say Evan Bayh or Ed Rendell). If he selects someone as far left as himself, I am afraid that I'm going to vote Republican for the first time since 1976.

Obama is dangerous - do the research!
I have never voted for a Repub - if not Hillary, then McCain." Gordo

gordo, I couldn't have said it better myself.

Craig is right that there are signs that many Hillary supporters will not vote for Obama. We can see evidence of that here at Crawfordslist.

But that's OK. The vast majority of rational members of the Democratic party, plus independents, plus defecting Republicans, plus all the new voters Obama has brought into the process, will be enough to take Obama to victory in the general election.

Those sourgrapes, die-hard Hillary supporters who don't vote, or write in Hillary, or vote for McCain are irrelevant.

Meg: I agree with you.
Some people seem to think that this is about winning and losing. Or even about current issues and problems.
But it's actually about who we will choose to have in charge when the next unexpected problem or crisis occurs.
As my old poli sci prof said ... "don't vote on the issues ... they change. Go with your gut...vote for the person you trust."

Nash

If by some miracle Sen Clinton were to run as an Independent, I would vote for her. If she is on the Dem Ticket, I will vote for her (not him). I will do a write in vote for her if neither of those conditions exist, and unlike the last 30 + years not one dime or one minute will go to the Democratic Party.

It is no longer a matter of Sen. Obama or Sen. Clinton. It is now a matter of principle because of the total betrayal of the democratic system and abuse of power by both the party and the media

nash: You may turn out to be right. On the other hand, the current electoral college map, based on polling data, demonstrates that McCain is ahead in electoral votes and the only "new" state in which Sen Obama has a lead is Colorado.
Bear in mind that the people who vote in primaries are only a small percentage of the electorate (still smaller in caucus states).

"and they need to nominate the best candidate which happens to be HRC."- FryDaddy

FD,
I thought you were a rightie!, did I miss something, like a conversion.?

Jamie,

"Naturally she has the right to change her mind, but she has already said she will campaign for the "Party"

How many times is the D leadership going keep shoving that knife in her back, before she tells them to go stick it, I'm running as a Indy. HRC, who you know I am not going to vote for but I do love her moxie, is being made to look like a fool in-front of the whole world by the very party she has devoted much of her adult to. BHO on the other hand is being given a, "go to the head of the line pass", based on what? Surly not on experience or life accomplishments.

John McCain has shown, throughout his Senate career, a willingness to cooperate with Democrats. maggisd

maggi, all good points, and ones I agree with. And John McCain has actually been talking about when the war will end, which is important to me.

Tell me, if the Powers that be already had chosen a nominee, which I'm sure they had, why did they even bother with all of this? So many things were obviously decided by a select few in advance, and I can never trust a part that did what they have done. When I was a kid, the Democrats were the party for the "working class", standing up for our rights. And then I have to live long enough to hear this guys campaign say they've got a new coalition and can win without the "working class". If that's true, then it's not the party that I thought it was. Or maybe it's just not any more.

nash opined:

But that's OK. The vast majority of rational members of the Democratic party, plus independents, plus defecting Republicans, plus all the new voters Obama has brought into the process, will be enough to take Obama to victory in the general election.

where have I heard that before......hmmm.....oh yes, it was in ' 68, '72, ' 80, ' 84, ' 88, ' 00, and '04........

I'm running as a Indy. HRC, who you know I am not going to vote for but I do love her moxie, is being made to look like a fool in-front of the whole world by the very party she has devoted much of her adult to. Frydaddy

Frydaddy, that is the part that hurts so much. I have never felt so frustrated or disillusioned that I can remember. My respect for Hillary has grown so much the last few months, and to see them sticking that knife in over and over, anytime she gets back up has been very, very painful. And the one holding that knife-I see it as obama.

FD: Republicans hate government. Democrats hate politicians. Any candidate who can successfully portray his opponent as too political has an automatic advantage. Add to that the fact that, since Adlai Stevenson, no Democrat has ever been given a second chance.
What is ironic (Nash, take note of word usage) is that Sen Obama is clearly just another politician, if we are to look at his record, such as it is.

tp for ct/nc

I would not characterize raising awareness and education as propaganda. The issue of sexism in American life is very serious to this generation and those to follow. Marie Cocco wrote an article in WP a few days ago.. here it is
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/14/AR2008051403090.html

The issues: the War, health care..are of great concern to me.. that is why I will vote down ticket to ensure a veto proof Democratic Congress

This coronation of BO has been about revenge and power at the expense of a woman that I cannot accept on principle. Hillary is the better candidate. If she were not, then all rational women would comprehend and get behind the Democrat to win the WH. It is not about her because she is a women .. Al Gore was my first choice... it is about her being demeaned as a woman to destroy her as a candidate.

The rivalry for political power between white women and black men has a long history. After the Civil War, Black men could vote, even in the south, while white women had to wait until 1920.

“Taking their fight from state to state, victory for suffragists became based upon a practical achievement of franchise rather than upon abstract and easily sacrificed conceptions of equality. Exemplified by the 1867 Kansas election, feminists turned away from their egalitarian roots and strategically allied themselves with the prejudiced Democratic Party. As illustrated by efforts at women's suffrage in the American South, this political necessity became less strategic and more a fundamental and racist principle of the movement.” http://www.dominican.edu/query/ncur/display_ncur.php?id=660

"It is no longer a matter of Sen. Obama or Sen. Clinton. It is now a matter of principle because of the total betrayal of the democratic system and abuse of power by both the party and the media"
"Well said, Jamie. I couldn't agree with you more. The party needs to learn a lesson. It has gone way too far in the wrong direction. And the media needs to realize that they should stop trying to influence elections and stick to reporting the news."

YES, YES and YES.

nash: As to your comment about voting rights. In fact, free black men have been able to vote in this country from the beginning, under the same conditions as free white men.
True, the percentage of free blacks was never more than about 11-12% of the total black population. Also true that one or two states in the years between 1830 and 1860 took the franchise away from free blacks... most states did not.
However, this is all just of historical interest. The average female voter is likely not only unaware of this information (it is not even taught in Women's Studies courses), but is not basing her vote on conditions that existed so long ago.
Heck, most young women don't even get that a mere 30 years ago women still couldn't own individual property in some states, couldn't get credit in their own names, couldn't have their income counted toward joint family purchases and on and on.

Meg: I continue to have a sneaking suspicion that Obama said what he did about President Clinton because he knew it would anger him, and knew the media would be trailing Clinton to listen to the tenor of his rhetoric. Not bad enough to say that Reagan was transformative and Clinton was not, but he also said, just as Nixon was not. Good grief! If this had been the 1800s there would have been a duel over this type of remark (to paraphrase Zell Miller).

Nash

Put a sock in it. The initial Suffragette movement was an integral part of the abolition of slavery in both Britain and the U.S.

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/british/brit-4.html
http://www.allbusiness.com/population-demographics/demographic-groups/6249548-1.html

Young, educated women have no problem with Obama. Older, less educated women are angry that this young black man did not "wait his turn." The fact that a black man will be a presidential nominee before a white woman infuriates them, and much of the animosity is due to latent racism. The Clintons understood this and used it.

You see them posting here at Crawfordslist, every day. The extremely vile denunciations of Hillary's rival would not be happening if he were a white man. (And of course, they deny this.)

Maybe Obama is right and on Tuesday it will be all over. FL and & MI won't matter. The media will get their wish. Their ratings will tank for a few months too. Good luck in Fl and MI in November.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/16/little-interest-shown-in-clintons-call-to-seat-disputed-delegates/

Oh and the first woman to run for President had a black man as her VP candidate

Victoria Woodhull and Frederick Douglas of the Equal Rights Party

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/268950/victoria_woodhull_for_president.html

"I would not characterize raising awareness and education as propaganda..This coronation of BO has been about revenge and power at the expense of a woman...Hillary is the better candidate." Bowwow

This is not propaganda because we all saw it first hand with our own eyes. It's not something we heard or were fed. The only propaganda was the love affair that the media had with Obama. What a bunch of dummies they think we are. The poor dumb middle class Americans, they'll believe whatever we tell them. (We heard it on tv, it must be true?) Well, guess what, those uneducated, bitter middle class are the only ones who got it. The rest went along with what the so called 'elitist" were feeding us. The people that are looking through reality, know a phony when we see one. We know when we're being offered a fabrication of what they think we want.

Wait for the roll call vote in Denver - that's when the Dems have a nominee. If Larry Johnson is correct, the MO tape will be the end of Obama. If the tape exists, it's almost a certainty that the Clinton campaign has a copy. The info probably did not come from three sources close to senior Republicans. Why would they talk about this now? This could be what Harold Ickes has been referring to lately.

Rezdog,

I am a Rightie, but what is going on over in the D party is nothing but lunacy, and I'll bet you right now if BHO is the nominee, McCain will take 48 states. If HRC is the D nominee, that race is to close to call, and I really do believe she could win.

I was telling my wife yesterday there is something, other than his ridiculous policies that is bothering about BHO, and I figured it out. BHO has a ting of street in his personality which comes to the surface every now and then. It has to do with his gestures, the way he carries himself, and his unguarded speech. There is something very odd about why BHO is never pressured to provide answers. He makes apologies, like yesterday for calling that female reporter sweetie but that was after the fact, but he never answered her question.

Like all politicians he likes to make promise, but when pressured to explain how he is going to pay to implement these programs, he never explains. He changes his own policies in mid-stream and never is questioned about them. In the last debate with HRC. BHO said he wasn't going to raise taxes on anyone making under $75,000. HRC said she wasn't going to raise taxes on anyone making under $250K. By the end of that segment of the debate on taxes, right before the commercial break, BHO when asked by Charlie Gibson if he would pledge not to raise taxes on anyone making under $250K, BHO agreed he wouldn't raise taxes on anyone making $250K. When did he change his mind?

"That what worries me and many others like me. It is not a reaction to Obama, but to your own disappointment and frustration, as understandable as that may be."

Translation: You women and stupid blue collar workers shape up!

I know it's hard to vote for someone you don't care for but don't forget about who is going to be put on the Supremcourt!

Maggisd: I was talking about national elections. Women could vote in many states before 1920 (as could black men).

Jamie: After the Civil War SOME suffragists embraced racism as a strategy. It was an issue of contention in the suffragist movement.

The interests of women and blacks seeking greater political rights and power sometimes come into conflict, and I think this is one of those times.

nash: In the very short time I have been posting here, it has been my observation that most of the "vile attacks" have come from Obama supporters rather than the observe. Not all criticisms are attacks, not all disagreements are vile.
As to age and education -- they are two separate things. I am older, but fairly well educated. Younger women do not find as much evidence of sexism in the Obama campaign as do older women because their life experience is different than ours, thank goodness.
But some of us old broads have a different reaction when we hear our preferred candidate's experience characterized as having tea parties with the ambassador, or Zbig Brezenski comparing her to Mamie Eisenhower, or saying she is "likable enough" or accusing her supporters of racism.
FYI: I voted for Tom Bradley for Mayor of Los Angeles and for Governor of California and I voted for the Rev Jesse Jackson in both 84 and 88. I would vote for Harold Ford Jr in a heartbeat, or for Mayor Corey Booker of Newark.

"Those sourgrapes, die-hard Hillary supporters who don't vote, or write in Hillary, or vote for McCain are irrelevant. "

Would you be racist enough to level that charge at the AA community who WOULD not support Hillary if she is the nominee?

Young, educated women have no problem with Obama. "

nash, like I said before, we're slow and bitter. And let me add uneducated and stupid. Leave it to Obama to point that out to us. Thanks

I think the Republicans were ready to use misogyny or racism depending on who won the Dem primary.

I do not think that Obama played the gender card, but some of Hillary's supporters think he did. (Based on what evidence, I would ask).

But the Clintons and their surrogates did play the race card. There's plenty of evidence of that.

Hey Maggisd,

Are you one of the faithful?
A supporter of divided government?

In your 10:42 post, I couldn't have said it better.

What many people are forgetting. People with no party affiliation out number either Rep. or Dem.

There has been a lot of party switching in the last 20 years.
I've been one of them.
Leaving a party the first time is a bit of a leap of faith. But after one breaks that strong tie one never forms as strong a tie with its replacement.
I've became very agnostic with my politics.

I believe it may very well be a good year for Democrats across the south.
Obama will help them by bringing a huge AA turn out.
They can run as very conservate Southerners and get the POed white vote.
The AAs have no other party to vote for in the south.
But don't look for the POed whites to vote for Obama
Not gonna happen

Hey
It's the best of both worlds for the divided government movement.

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

It's sad that after 15 months people still don't know what Obama is all about but he's going to be the Dem nominee. What is wrong with this picture. In the next few months are we going to find this out by watching the Rep attack machine go after him. Not a pretty site. It will be interesting to see what McCain does when those attack ads start airing. Wii he support them or denounce them.

Oh, wow....it's really a steady stream here, isn't it? I respect your rights to hold strongly to the position. That's about as far as this conversation can go and still be a conversation.

But Bill??? Bill Clinton is now a hero of anti-sexism??? He was butchered by a sharp knife - his own and he took a good piece of the Democratic Party down with him.

Not sure when the D party started to turn down their noses at it's bread and butter voters, middle class workers, in favor for the wine and cheese crowd. This part of the D party is starting to resemble the Rockefeller Rs. This is a major miscalculation on the D leaderships part, one that they will deeply regret.

Off to lunch.

vadaryl--Try to keep in mind that the Senate has to approve Supreme Court nominees. And the Democrats, along with the remaining three moderates will be able to block anyone seen to be too far right, no matter what.
McCain is a practical man, however, and I have little doubt he will work with the Senate over judicial appointments, should he be elected.
The thing to watch for is who he chooses to be his running mate.

Nash

Go back to history class

"Women could vote in many states before 1920 (as could black men)."

No woman could vote for President prior to 1920. A few Western states allowed women to vote in state wide elections and one (count em one) allowed women to vote for Congress. The first Congresswoman was Jannette Rankin, Republican of Montana elected in 1916 ... long after black men were allowed to vote.

http://womenshistory.about.com/library/bio/blbio_jeannette_rankin.htm

": I continue to have a sneaking suspicion that Obama said what he did about President Clinton because he knew it would anger him, and knew the media would be trailing Clinton to listen to the tenor of his rhetoric."

I absolutely agree.

maggisd: Look at comments made by Obama's campaign and his surrogates, people whose endorsement he has accepted and/or shared a stage with. I have not heard misogynist comments from them. Yes, there are lots of sexist clowns in the Democratic party, but I think Obama has tried to avoid them.

But Hillary & her surrogates, including Bill, have made a series of statements designed to use race as a wedge. Her recent "my base is hard-working white people" comment is a perfect example.

FryDaddy,

I wouldn't be supporting someone I thought couldn't win in Nov. If you are a conservative interested in winning, you would want the dems to nominate the least likely of candidates. So I don't buy your sentiments.

As far as party lunacy goes, the Repugs are in much greater abundance in that department, notwithstanding McCain. He's the head loon!

Like many folks, what you see in Obama is that he's tall.

"Now if these folks were voting on the basis of policy and just pure politics it would be one thing. But quite a few of them have been willing to admit that they will not vote for the "O" man because... he is.....well...you know, tall.- W. Bennett on WV voters.

Vote you pleasure FD.

For the Obama groupies:

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c105/007access/OBAMA/O-idiots.gif

"But the Clintons and their surrogates did play the race card. There's plenty of evidence of that."

Baloney!!! The Media and the Obamabots used half sentences and twisted syntax to "Prove" there was racism that didn't exist. It was like that unnecessary bleeping gag. Make it look like racism and then call it racism and then accuse anyone who gives the real quote or context of being a racist.

But some of us old broads have a different reaction when we hear our preferred candidate's experience characterized as having tea parties with the ambassador" maggisd

Zbig Brezenski also said his travel agent had been to more countries than Hillary. And Chris Mathews said she'd never even made it as New York Senator if her husband hadn't messed around on her (and therefore got the pity vote), a pundit on MoJo said she reminded men or their first wife in probate court, Tucker Carson said she has no character, jack cafferty called her every name in the book, Obama said "she'd do anything to win this election", Obama called her "Annie Oakley" and said she fit right in with the horrible republicans after that last horrible debate where he embarrassingly failed, and the list goes on.

Did anyone see the clip on youtube where he was saying her name the day after the debate and scratched his face in what looked like he was flipping her off, right before he imitated one of his fav rap singers by brushing his shoulders? Oh boy, a "cool" President. That's what i want.

McCain would be a disaster for women's rights, across the board.

Thus, anyone whose animosity towards Obama is greater than their desire to defeat McCain, must be motivated by something other than feminism.

My grandmother used to say that it was a mortal sin to call someone a "fool" and that we'd go to hell for doing it.

I'm gonna take that chance: Nash, you are a fool.

Ladies,

You needn't explain yourselves to people like Nash. All you are doing is feeding into his ego. Nash believes he is one of the enlighten educated wine and cheese crowd, he is so well educated that your thought are no more than the dust bunnies which collect under the bed, just a nuisance to be swept away and discarded. Don't fall for Nash's baiting. What Nash can't deny is that everyday more and more women, educated and not, are rethinking their options come this election.

Pugnacious: Not entirely a fan of divided government, because it sometimes leads to complete gridlock. It always depends on the players.
But, I have no real problem with McCain. I have met him and know people who know him quite well. I believe him to be a decent man, and I trust his background and experience. And he is a genuine conservationist -- actually far more green IMHO than Sen Obama.

Meg: I'm talking about the campaigns & their surrogates, not the MSM clowns. You can't hold Obama responsible for something Joe Scarborough said. That's like holding Hillary responsible for something Buchanan said.

Nash "Little Sir Echo of talking points"

"Her recent "my base is hard-working white people" comment is a perfect example"

Even Obama supporters have finally come around to the fact that she was dead tired, speaking off the cuff to a reporter and answering a specific question about exit polls and went from quoting the AP percentages on white voters in the exit polls to flubbing hard working "blue collar" into hard working "white".

Clinton didn't call Obama stupid for saying he had been in 57 states for exactly the same reason. He was tired and had a brain freeze not an F in geography.

It is a wonder either of these people can walk much less speak coherently at this stage.

Hey Nash

You Obama people crack me up.

Is the Campaign Chair of the National committee high enough up for you.

None other than Jesse Jackson Jr.

here he is claiming Hillary was crying because she was worried about her appearance.

LOL

that 's right isn't it Nash
Those women they get so emotional when their makeup smears
Not presidential, not at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNrlSn7ndAA

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

You wonder why racists are so dumb when you hear them speak? It's because they're ignorant and therefore do things against their own interests.

So we have you idiots on the list saying that you'll "Vote for McCain!" instead of Barack Obama. Why? Because he's "arrogant", which is racist code for stepping out of his place as a black person. When a white woman and a black man are in a race, the white woman is the one who "deserves" the office. To challenge and then beat her is arrogant and galling to racists. So they'd rather vote for someone who believes nothing they believe in. The power of whiteness is amazing (and those of you non-whites who believe the same thing, let me repeat, the power of whiteness is amazing).

So stomp your feet and vote for McCain. But be honest and understand that this is a manifestation of your racism.

nash: Hillary did not say that her base was hard-working white people. She was quoting an AP analysis of how people had actually voted.
Do you deny that the Obama campaign in SC circulated a talking points memo of supposedly racist remarks by the Clinton campaign, none of which had anything to do with race?
Wasn't it Obama who stated that her experience amounted to having tea parties with the ambassador? Wasn't it Michelle who made the remark about not being able to keep her house in order? Wasn't it Obama who said, "you're nice enough Hillary?" rather than chastising the moderater for asking a question that would never, ever have been asked of a male candidate?

nash,

Let me ask you for an honest answer.

Do you really think Bill or Hillary are racists?
Do campaign "words" mean more than actions and record?

Maggisd: Clinton surrogate Geraldine Ferraro...

“If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman of any color, he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.”

“Every time that campaign is upset about something, they call it racist,” she said. “I will not be discriminated against because I’m white."

Just take a good look at those who have taken over the Dem Party ( behind the curtain). It's Hillary's patriotic duty to stop these people - do whatever is required - wreck the convention.

Hillary or McCain 08

Bye Bye Billary: You are entitled to believe that if you wish. My problem with Sen Obama has nothing to do with the color of his skin.
It has more to do with his background and what I consider a dreadful lack of experience. His background is not his fault, but it is what it is. He basically had to learn what it meant to be an American.
Some of the people with whom he has chosen to associate are quite radical, with ideals that I consider to be inimical to our best interests as a Nation.
I am sorry but I have to fault the judgment of a man who defends William Ayers, or who consciously lies about his very long-term association with Antoine Rezko. That, and one funny little incident reported on in the New Yorker some time ago...that during the first meeting of the Foreign Relations committee while listening to his colleagues speak, he passed a note to his aide that said "Just shoot me now." I want my President not to be bored with policy, no matter how boring the rest of us might find it.

nash: Dreadful and most unfortunate remark.
I would point out to you that Ms Ferraro's entire association with the campaign consisted of one fundraiser in New York. That the remark was made in the course of an interview with a Torrance California advertiser prior to a paid speech she was giving (nothing to do with the Clinton campaign). The article was dug up by two oppo researchers on the Obama staff and it was the Obama campaign that circulated it.

This Ferraro episode was not one of the items on the SC talking points memo, however.

Nash

From the Savior's own mouth " Hold on.. SWEETIE"

If that is not perjorative and sexist.. what is!!!

Believe me.. women know when someone spits on their shoes and tries to tell them it's raining!!!

This candidate is so flawed on so many levels..

write in Hillary in Nov.

BOWWOW: You cleaned that one up nicely. LOL

Notice how Obama has to look at his notes every few seconds - he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Triple B

John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever was an arrogant misogynist for most of the movie ... didn't notice a change in his complexion. This racism charge is so totally phony. The last refuge of a losing argument.

Gorgeous, warm day in beautiful Oregon.

We are doing get-out-the-vote activities today..Lots of volunteers and lots of fun.

Hillary is doing a townhall on television tonight. Obama, of course, declined to participate just as he as rejected all the other offers in the state to debate.

Have a good day everyone..get out and enjoy the weather.

meg: I think Bill and Hillary, personally, are not racist but they will do ANYTHING to win. That's why they've been so successful in politics.

Only white people behind him.. They are really trolling for the white vote. The great divider.

Vote for Hillary

Ah, the old I marched for Civil Rights so I can't be racist. Sorry to inform you, but that' not a get our of racism free card. Not supporting Obama is not racism. Making an irrational choice by voting for someone who disagees with everything you believe in because of no good reason? Racism. Irrational anger at the candidate because of traits like "arrogance". Racism.

"Obama had the upper hand in raising cash and Hillary just never caught up"

All those $2300 donations bundled so neatly right from the start ... truly interesting. Some day maybe some one will get around to asking how someone in the Senate for only two years was able to attract that kind of support and just how it came to be all in one place ... can we say revenge of Pelosi Kennedy and Dean.

Julie: I'm pretty certain he's speaking in South Dakota. Not that there are no black South Dakotans, but I think it is a mostly white state. (Actually, it's a mostly empty state, as far as population goes).

re: Mississippi, Obama, & Clinton.

If Hillary was leading, the Republicans would have attacked her, and I don't think the conservative Democrat who won there would have embraced her. This says nothing about Hillary's chances in the general election.

The point of this episode is that the Republicans' usual bag of negative tricks didn't work, and they are VERY worried about that.

Nash

What part of the Ferraro statement is untrue?

If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman of any color, he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.”

“Every time that campaign is upset about something, they call it racist,” she said. “I will not be discriminated against because I’m white."

Bye Bye: Actually, I don't consider voting for McCain to be irrational. I changed registration so I could vote for him in the 2000 primary and have my vote count. I then changed back.
But, I am not in complete disagreement with McCain on every issue. He is an environmentalist, supports immigration reform and guest worker programs. I believe in a strong national Defense, and I generally take the side of Israel. I find both McCain and Obama to have impractical positions on earmarks and campaign finance laws (although Obama's position may be more fluid than at first suggested).
My problem with Sen Obama is not his skin color ... it his association with people whom I consider to be the radical, hate America, very far left. I am a Democrat by inclination and family history, but I am getting increasingly p.o'd at the far left wing of my party. And, I have to say that I seriously do question the judgment of someone who would choose to validate Ahmadinjad by meeting him without preconditions.

From DM and archie:
most of these rats here are just rats
but this rat is like me he has a human soul in him
he used to be a poet himself
night after night i have written poetry for you
on your typewriter
and this big brute of a rat who used to be a poet
comes out of his hole when it is done
and reads it and sniffs at it
he is jealous of my poetry
he used to make fun of it when we were both human
he was a punk poet himself
and after he has read it he sneers
and then he eats it

i wish you would have mehitabel kill that rat
or get a cat that is onto her job
and i will write you a series of poems showing how things look
to a cockroach
that rats name is freddy
the next time freddy dies i hope he wont be a rat
but something smaller i hope i will be a rat
in the next transmigration and freddy a cockroach
i will teach him to sneer at my poetry then

nash: The seat Mr Childers won was historically a Democratic seat according to Trent Lott, speaking on TV about two weeks before the election. He felt that Childers had a better chance primarily because his opponent was from the far northern part of the District, actually a Memphis suburb.
This bodes well for the Dems to gain even more seats in Congress and is one of the reasons I personally am willing to vote for McCain, who would be checked by a Democratic Congress.
For me, a great deal depends on the VP candidate chosen by each.

TO ALL HILLARY SUPPORTERS..

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/hillaryormccain/

Here's our chance to register our protest to the DNC.. let's email this around. Let million's tell the DNC how strongly we feel about her candidacy and why!!

Craig, you are right and the same point can be made in 2006 when Democrats won on the backs of Blue Dogs.

Now on the matter of the Bush remarks we have CNN giving airtime to a steady stream of misinformation. Rubin, A former Clinton official, showed a clip of McCain in 2006 saying that Hamas was elected and we can't ignore them. The truth is that Europe, Russia and even the US waited to see what Hamas would do. Upon taking office, they renounced Abbas and all negotiations with Israel. They said they would not back down from seeking the destruction of Israel despite Russia inviting Hamas to Moscow and trying to "talk" to them. Since that time Hamas has built missiles, engaged in a civil war with Fatah and fired missiles into Israel, They even blew up pipelines to their own people killing Israeli municipal workers and then cried to the world that Israel had shut off their energy. So Rubin is lying when he shows McCain in 2006 as a refutation of Bush's comment about not talking to OBL, Hamas and Hizb"Allah as well as Ahmedinejad who have all given Israel their "Birthday" cards. The Democrats are so worried about losing gains into the Evangelical crowd Warren thinks will vote Obama and the Jewish crowd, they have launched a hysterical response to Bush's remarks.

Colbert, Stewart, CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS and others rail against Bush's remarks despite overwhelming opposition to Carter's visit to HamasWorld.

Then in an example of the kind of foreign policy Obama would follow, we have Susan Rice explain that only after we have direct talks with Iran can we evaluate the possible need for military threats. She says we need to know what they want and how flexible they will be. She says that military force is not off the table, but that it can be used only after every mean have been taken, yet she refuses to explain why Obama refused more sanctions. She ignored the last NIE report. How so? She said that Bush has made Iran stronger. In fact, the NIE states quite clearly, that sanctions pushed by Bush caused Iran to blink. It was Bush that listened to the Iranian resistance group. Most experts also agree that our invasion of Iraq both removed the need for Iran to match Saddam and that the decided as a result of the proximity of US force to slow down the nuclear weaponization program they had been working on secretly. Did Rice bother to read the NIE report? Her words suggested that Bush was stupid to remove the Taliban and Saddam because that helped Iran which is the very claim the Democrats made against the Reagan/Bush 1 theory that Saddam was a check against Iran. This absurd stupidity and flip-flopping is simply political pandering. Does Rice really need to know from Ahmadinejad directly that they are continuing to build delivery systems and make the material for nuclear weapons? He publicly declares this every month. Does she need to hear live, Ahmadinejad's opinion about the State of Israel or the support of terrorism shown by the Iranian government? Perhaps she should visit YouTube. There is no Obama plan other than giving Iran more time after Rice even admits the Russians, the Chinese, the Europeans have all offered Iran huge rewards for simply suspending enrichment. I feel quite comfortable with Rice and McPeak in charge getting talking points form Zbig –not..

Obama says that Reagan negotiated with the Soviets. A. They were rational. B. Reagan first rebuilt our military and stationed mobile missiles in Europe to show the Russians how serious we were. He threatened force and tightened sanctions. C. There was already a discourse about arms control between us and the Soviets had retreated from their crusade to defeat Liberal Democracy. D. Again our collective sanctions had hurt their economy.

Obama's claim that JFK negotiated with the Soviets is similarly faulty. A. JFK moved Jupiter missiles into Turkey and was quite prepared to destroy sites in Cuba. B. He had sent the Navy to embargo Cuba and put Florida and nation on alert.

The response to Bush by Obama is transparent and deflective. OBL issues a statement about the end of Israel. Instead, Obama and company spend more fire on blasting Bush than directing anger at Hamas, OBL, Assad and Ahmadinejad. The Democrats have compared Bush to Hitler every day (see Anon) and now they are angry with Bush about saying direct talks with Ahmadinejad, Hamas, and Hizb"Allah is appeasement. Let's be serious, Obama will push for the "Grand Bargain" with Iran. Again, the NIE has shown sanctions can work to soften Iran's htand. The signal Obama sends is backing off and allowing Iran to stall. France, Germany, Britain have warned about giving Iran any more time before imposing new sanctions.

The Democrats know there is a big weakness here. Pelosi and Reid visited Syria and were given a cruel reward from Asswad. Afghanistan negotiated with the Taliban and they increased their attack on the government. This move by media and Obama tries to cover up the news yesterday that the Taliban has denounced the US strike on a camp in Pakistan. It covers up the outrage of the moderate government in Pakistan and warnings from them that the US had better not make any more strikes. What is Obama's response? Hugo is threatening war with Columbia if the US puts a base in Columbia after Interpol says the Farc documents taken by Uribe are genuine and link Hugo to the arming and support of terrorists. The Democrats, particularly Obama, is trying to focus all attention on his counter to Bush. No talk of Hugo except "talking" and cutting military aid to Columbia. Nothing about Pakistan because that would be an embarrassing blow to Richardson and Obama. No talk about Belarus throwing out our Ambassador, or Putin expelling US diplomats. Not a word about the Gitmo detainee that was released and then went to Syria where he was trained to go on to Iraq and blow up seven people. No talk about Boeing as a new scandal brews over defective helicopters. No talk about the Intel released showing Syria, NK and Iran were involved in building a secret nuke plant which Israel was forced to destroy. Only Hillary Clinton hailed this action while the rest of the Democrats favored "talking".

Daschle, Durbin, Pelosi, and others are trying to launch Obama and talk about "who he is". Imagine these people coupled with Obama, his advisors and supporters. I ask you all to wake up and split the ticket. If voters give the Democrats all they need to advance the new NeoLiberal agenda, America is going to sink further in the chaos our adversaries hope. It is not that Democrats don't have great Liberal ideas, but this crowd, playing this game, advocating these policies will lean right into the strategy of our adversaries. Reagan and JFK carried a big stick. Clinton broke Saddam's army and repelled the Serbs. What we have advancing towards the WH is the most Liberal team ever in reach of executive power with a majority control in Congress. Obama has no standing to talk about appeasement. He did nothing in the face of his Pastor's BS clearly linked to the pro-Hamas crowd at the ISM.. He got his start with millions from Ayer's family. His big supporter Rezko received money from Saddam's friend Auchi, a billionaire making billions from the oil for food scandal.

Instead of talking about Israel, Obama assembles a white crowd in SD to spin towards the "White rural vote" Note the almost complete lack of any Blacks. And of course Obama is wearing his flag pin. In Iowa there were many Blacks standing behind him, but not today.

Obama tries to tie Bush to McCain. Obama mischaracterizes Bush's remarks and then tries to link them to McCain. Obama now calls his approach "tough diplomacy". Obama says we are not safer with Saddam gone and that we have failed to get OBL. Bush was wrong to allow Democratic elections in Gaza. He repeats Rice's line that removing the Taliban and Saddam strengthened Iran. Obama claims he will not negotiate with Hamas, though his record of affiliation with Hamas supporters is well documented. Obama repeats Rubin's line about McCain's 2006 comment about Hamas. Obama says our Iranian policy is a complete failure which the NIE refutes and many experts agree that our invasion of Iraq did thwart Iran. He mentions JFK and Reagan completely overlooking the comments above. For now, Obama does not support new sanctions. Obama even uses the discredited quote that McCain called for US troops in Iraq for one hundred years. He promulgates lies. Obama suggests he is the real bipartisan candidate.

Next Obama moves to pitch to the "heart land". He talks about his heartland grand parents. He relates to those heart land values".

This is complete disingenuousness designed to obviously appeal to those without much grey matter. Steve Murphy who worked with Richardson, is put on CNN. The man is an utter liar. He claims McCain worried about the effect of striking Pakistan while Obama is tough. He completely disregards THE FALLOUT OF BUSH"S LAST US STRIKE IN PAKISTAN. What Murphy and Richardson predicted the moderates would do in Pakistan has not happened. Murphy claims the US must offer incentives to Iran. We have! Murphy says Obama will say “you better stop terrorism and enrichment or we will use force”. What complete bullshit. On what drugs are these guys? McCain spokesperson is right on target. Every attack on Obama is met with the counter of "you're fear mongering or trying to be divisive". The Obama pivot to center is so phony it is comical.

One last point about pandering: see Obama on ethanol and gas to a corn grower. Farmer loves higher corn pricea but complains about fuel prices. Can you believe this? If Obama had half a brain he would say convert some of your over-priced corn to cellulosic fuel and stop complaining you idiot.. The artificial price of corn should go down because corn is a stupid source of cellulose. The nation should switch to cellulosic sources like grass, paper pulp and organic garbage which is plentiful, not ruin our soil and waste food in promoting corn for fuel. Was this an idiotic question or what? And what an utter dishonest answer by Obama. Yeah, right, FAITHHOPECHANGE, a flag pin and words.

Based on 54% to 47% split on Tuesday Obama only needs 76 or so Supers to nail the nomination without FL and MI. He should be able to pull that off easily. If that's all he needs why can't he get those 76 to announce today and get this over with and move on. What is now holding them back. They could of done this weeks ago.

What this shows to me is that these supers who are holding out are scared the wrong candidate is being selected and they don't want to commit to it and hope others will do it for them. If all the primaries are completed with a 53 to 47% then only about half of the 76 have to commit to get him over the top without FL/MI.

Take a quick survey.

Do you think the Dem race will be over Tuesday night?

I saddly say Yes it will be over Tuesday night.

Maxtrue: Masterful!
I guess this definitely argues for the proposition that no one with the surname of Rice should ever be National Security Advisor.
BTW, as for ethanol or cellulosic fuel ... our best, fastest hope is plug-in hybrid vehicles. Think of how we mobilized for WWII...we could do the same, with generous tax credits for lower income folks toward the purchase of the vehicles. We could turn the gas situation around in less than ten years.

It isn't just us folks. After days of the Gallup being stagnant with Obama leading by six points, it has finally changed ... he lost two points.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107323/Gallup-Daily-Obamas-Edge-Narrows-48-44.aspx

I swear McCain could stay home and we will have the election between Clinton and Obama.

vadaryl: Unless a deal is worked out over FL and MI which will, in fact, change the math.
BTW, HRC could still go to the convention. Superdelegates remain free to change their votes at any time up until they have been cast.

Word is perculating on other threads that the Oregon vote is 49% to 49% ..actual mailed votes.

Polls are always a few days behind!! Today's ARG poll has BO 50% and HRC 45%

Let's hope it's close..

"“If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position.”"

Ferraro said exactly what Obama himself had said earlier. But Nash must omit that fact to fit his so-called theory.

Jamie: Did you also notice that Obama and McCain are essentially tied among independents? Interesting.

OD - 50-45? That's quite different from what I had seen in other places. So, it could potentially be closer than is now anticipated? Let's hope for a big turnout in the rural eastern part of the state.

I'm for HRC and I know the supers can change their minds but I really don't think that will happen. I agree something will be worked out with FL/MI but it's to late now for that to make a difference. She may end up getting the popular votes but the delegate count will put a nail in the coffin. I am throwing in the towel. It's just not in the cards for Hill to pull this out. I just can't see anything out there that can change it now. It's just to late in the game. But I want her to stay in the game until BHO get's the magic number and not throw in the towel like I am.

OD: Is Oregon and open or closed primary? What's the situation with registration? Just curious.

I just threw in the towel, don't tell me that Oregon is back in play?

vadarryl: I think Obama wants her to stay in as well. It would not have done him much good if she had bowed out before WV and KY.

Having read many of the increasingly angry posts the last few weeks, it occurs to me that many of the Clinton supporters here seem to be channeling George W. Bush and his supporters in 2000; it did not matter to them who actually had the most votes -- and we know that Al Gore won the vote count both nationally and in Florida -- but that didn't deter the ardent Bush supporters, who denied the truth, then denigrated our country. It is time to get over Senator Clinton's loss.

The nation has, intelligently, come to realize that we've had enough of politicians, like Mr. Bush, who follow only those laws they agree with.

And Senator Clinton, who loves to take credit for her "co-presidency," does not see any confilict with the 22nd Amendment and her candidacy.

Let's return America to people who actually understand and honor the Constitution and the rule of law.

Don't forget to go to Corbett's Corner WILK-FM today 3pm-7pm est and listen
to him talk about Operation Turn Down. As the MSM keeps trying to push
Clinton from the race we must rise up. Let everyone know we won't vote
Obama in November. Stand up and let your voice be heard. Now is the time
to declare yourself. Go to Corbett's Corner and send him an e-mail telling
him why you won't vote for Obama. We must fight the elites in Washington.

http://tinyurl.com/6b37mn

benjaminblue: I pretty much think all three of the current candidates understand the Constitution and the rule of law.

Who is this corbett?

I see the station this guy is on has all rightie talkers. I guess he's one too. His show is up against Hannity's. Interesting.

I LOVE what Emily's List founder Ellen Malcolm wrote in the WaPo this week:

..over and over again the media and her opponents have claimed that she is defeated -- it's over, she can't win, she's a loser. And over and over again -- female voters poured out of their homes to cast their ballots for her....

It's not surprising that low-income working women are the cornerstone of Hillary's success. Many of these women live on the edge of disaster. A pink slip, a family member's illness, a parent who can no longer live alone, a car that won't start or a mortgage rate that goes up -- all are threats that could devastate the family. And yet these women ... put on a confident face...They don't quit. They suck it up and fight back against whatever life throws their way.

They see in Hillary Clinton a candidate who understands the pressures they face. As they watch her tough it out against all odds, refusing to quit and continuing to compete against whatever the media and her opponents throw her way, they see a woman as tough and resilient as they are...

Why on earth should one candidate quit before the contest is finished? Democrats need not be so fainthearted. ...We simply need to count every vote, let the remaining states have their say and see the process through to its conclusion.

Hillary Clinton ... has a responsibility to play the game to its conclusion.

Yes, I saw that concession Jamie...not sure if he was being gracious though. I think he just knew you spoke the facts. :)

Corbett has a radio show and he has started a campaign saying he won't vote for Obama. Listen 3-7pm today at the link provided.
http://tinyurl.com/6b37mn

Brother rats in the lab of life?
No, we're more like sister worker ants stirred up by silly drones while Craig, watching from on high, drops daily sweet morsels to further the action. Questions in his notes: will the old queen survive? be run off to form a new colony? and when will the pretender be exposed?
But then again, maybe we are rats and should prepare at once to leave this sinking ship.

Maggie,

A plug-in draws power from power plants. Cellulosic fuel which people can make in a still in their back yard does not pollute like a conventioanl power plant. If each State created a network to cycle cellulosic sources to local ethanol converters we would seriously lower the need for gas to power our cars. That is the short term answer and the long term answer is hydrogen fuel cells that provide electrical power to cars and homes.

To do this we need to build clean-coal plants that sequester carbon and oil extraction plants that can tap the world's largest fossil fuel source located in the taor/sand oil fields of Canada. Again, the carbo produced must be sequestered. Nortth and South American, not even including Hugo have more than enough oil to keep us rolling until solar and safe-nuclear come on line. Wind and sea-motion will also prived sources of power along with geothermal.

There is no energy problem save out disfunctional human reality. Democrats prevent US oil from drilling closer to the coast than China is drilling now. There is more than 50 billion barrels here without including Alaska's new fields which should be a strategic reserve, not a two years source of Big OIl profits.

So Obama won't tell those SD corn growers the truth or even direct them towards they very thing their high priced corn is being used for. Gees....How stupid.

Here in NYS, we have all the cellulsic sources to create ethanol without corn. Think our NYS government is bright enough to advance it? No. I guess Spitzer had other things on his mind.
Same could be said about Illinois. Pleamty of grass and organic garbage. Plenty of garbage. Plenty.

We should convert Daley and then.....

"Obama assembles a white crowd in SD to spin towards the "White rural vote" Note the almost complete lack of any Blacks."

Max, when was the last time you were in SD?

Maybe there's 600K total pop and less than 1% Black. That might be a stretch.

I do want all the votes to be counted but in the primaries when one candidate meets the requirements (delegates) it's over and BHO is close to that number. What that magic number is still up in the air (FL/MI). But if the supers get off the pot and make up their minds this could be over today. I hope they go Hillary's way but like I lsaid before I don't see that happening.

Yeah, us Clinton supporters I just like Bush supporters. We should let those who really understand the Constitution take charge.

Seems Obama doesn't want Florida to count...LOL

Pretty good guess on AA in South Dakota. It's a shade under 2%. Indiginous is about 10%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_South_Dakota

Didn't stop Obama from having many Blacks behind him in Iowa and NH.. This was Obama's White rural showcase. Why else stage the event here? Maybe it was to promote Corn as fuel.

Iike I'm going to convince you of anything...LOL

Obama and his supporters can laugh it off it they want but we are growing more every day.

http://tinyurl.com/593tj7

Why I'm Turning Down Obama
http://tinyurl.com/69zty9

Thank you all but I have to go now...1 hour before Corbett's show be there and listen live.

Max: While I agree that plug-ins would continue to use electrical power and gasoline, it would reduce the amount of needed gasoline by 50%. In addition, it would not require the huge supportive infrastructure changes that ethanol requires. Nor would we need to cut down more trees.
I am looking at what I consider to be a mid-term goal that gives the most bang for the buck. It is technology we already have, permits us to grow food crops for food and cuts back on our need for foreign oil as quickly as possible.
I know...everyone has their own pet idea but almost all of them...it seems to me...are far less efficient than a massive increase in the use of hybrid vehicles, whose only real drawback is cost.
There are three separate vehicles being driven in my family, with fuel now at $4.00 a gallon and the need (this is California) to drive long distances to work. We would all buy a hybrid tomorrow if any of us could afford a new car.

Popular vote then goes to Hillary. Super Ds can cast whatever vote they want and Hillary is nominated.

With Forida and Michigan in Hillary's camp, only the SDs give Obama any edge.

Do the math Bri, and also see how many Democrats voted for Hillary as opposed to Obama.

Don't worry your head. There is more hard times coming for Obama. He thinks he pulled a good counter today...LOL

Patsi

This one says it all, "a car that won't start"

Many years ago I was the sole support of two children with no one to fall back on working two jobs and I missed a day on one because my water pump went out while on the freeway ... The boss scolded and asked, "Why didn't you call AA and put it on your charge card?"

Men have been slaughtered for less. : )

John Edwards endorsement still not a top story in the Lexington, KY's newspaper. Guess it's not that important?

The New Democratic Party:

http://hillbuzz.blogspot.com/2008/05/new-democratic-party.html#links

I'm trying to do this without signing in, but I can hardly read what's in the box. Why do they have to be so illegible?

Jamie, can you imagine trying to pay to raise those 2 kids now? Many years ago it's was at least do-able.

Patsi: I could laugh if I weren't so busy crying. Charge card? I remember the time when I couldn't get a charge card in my own name. Not all that long ago.

Okay, I'm a snob. I hope these folks are McCain supporters

http://www.startribune.com/nation/18969709.html?location_refer=Golf

Meg,

My standing line was that every time I got over the poverty line, they moved the line.

It's being noted on other blogs that BO has hired 400 bloggers to rachet down the anti-Obama vitriol and try to "persuade" the HRC supporters to come home.

The following is a response I couldn't have said better:

I don’t know if that 400 blogger bit is true but I’ve noticed a LOT of new Obama followers here on MyDD over the past few days so maybe there’s something to it. Not sure if they’re paid or if they even exist and frankly, I really don’t care. But I do care that people are calling for Hillary’s supporters to “give it up” and telling us “it’s over” when not one single vote has been cast in our party’s convention. That’s a few months off yet so why don’t we just let the rest of the states have their say, make our case to the undeclared superdelegates out there and chill?

Just know this - I'm not gonna stop as long as she's out there fighting for us. As long as she's standing up for us - I'm standing up for her. Get it?

But it will never be Obama..

maggisd

I have worked full time even while in school since I was 15. After coming out of a nine year marriage in 1971 at the age of 27 with a perfect joint credit record, I couldn't even get a loan to buy cheap furniture for an apartment without a male co-signer.

Som many of these younger women simply don't realize how much has changed. We don't begrudge them the changes they take for granted, but it would be nice to have the work we did to get them there acknowledged.

Maggie, you then put more pressure on the power plants and electrical grid. You also lock in people to their cars they just bought. Sure, Hybds can blunt some damage, but ethanol is better and can be made from sources everywhere. They are close to making algea that can be used. We should build better cars and spend our resources on the next generations of power plants without forgetting how much fossil fuel there is left. Obama talked about lowering the price of gas, while that is the one thing that would drive alternatives. Grease, pulp, paper products, organic waste can all be coverted into ethanol. Then you can have a car that drives on ethanol while recharging its battery for electrical use when the ethanol runs out.

The problem is the government supported the corn growers instead of seeing the bigger cellulsic picture.

"So here's a question ... where was Elizabeth Edwards?"

Maybe she was home baking cookies for her man.;-0
Obama's new theme song
Sure to get the Hillbilly vote

"Put another log on the fire"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YS9DhwT2E8

Jack

Popular vote then goes to Hillary. Super Ds can cast whatever vote they want and Hillary is nominated. maxtrue

The super delegates have already been lured over by Obama, for whatever reason and are just waiting to be called in as they want to announce them at the most appropriate time. The decision's been made. You can see it. They're just trying to make it "appear" fair, in order not to enrage us Hillary supporters.

But that doesn't mean they can't change their mind later and go back to her if the unknown happens. But I'm not sure that it will. We have to trust Hillary's judgment. She know's what she's doing. She getting all her ducks lined up, so just in case, if the unknown happens, she'll be there waiting in the corridor and like magnic, she'll appear, delegates in hand.

"My standing line was that every time I got over the poverty line, they moved the line."

Ain't that the truth!

You're right Max, you of all people would not be convincing to me!

Jamie, The wiki shows less than 1% Black

Let's help Hillary with a show of support. The DNC must understand we are with her all the way to August...and beyond

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/hillaryormccain?e

Patsi, regarding the rats & sinking ships:

http://www.sitemason.com/newspub/fQKJvW?id=56742

It's being noted on other blogs that BO has hired 400 bloggers to rachet down the anti-Obama vitriol and try to "persuade" the HRC supporters to come home. bowwow

I was wondering about that ct guy this morning. I actually he might be some kind of damage control. But just guessing.

JeeJee -- sorry but my old computer doesn't "read" video. Maybe when my son gets here for a visit he can update some stuff.

Rez

That was through 2005 I was extrapolating to a probable change in the past three years since the previous five had shown more than 30% increase in the numbers. Still really, really low compared to other ethnicities.

Too bad, it's really funny. All the rat's are in Obama's boat in this version.

I still won't vote for McCain, but if there is an ORGANIZED campaign to vote for Hillary as a "write in candidate" for President, I am in. But in thinking about this, it would have to be more than just us trailmixers being frustrated over this messy process we've been witnessing. I suppose I can still write in her name, but it would be pretty meaningless without a lot of press and action to back it up.

Although I've said it 3 or 4 times now, I was ready to vote for Obama, but Nash's and Bye Bye's insults and diatribes have made this impossible, save having Hillary on the ticket as a running mate. Strangely they don't care, because they believe those of us who are angry and meaningless in the election, perhaps any election. So be it.

I have been married to the same woman for over 30 years now. Before we got married SHE had about 4 credit cards and I had none. Now we don't have any because it costs to much and it is too easy to get in to trouble debt wise. We sleep much better now.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Have you seen the video the GOP is running in Tennessee, featuring Michelle Obama & her "proud" remark? They also supposedly have a video of her in Reverend Wright's church railing against "whitey" that they are holding out for the fall. Why don't they release it now, unless they really don't want Hillary to be the nominee?

jeejee

A good one
LOL
"I don't know how the democrats count things but evidently who ever gets the most rats wins!"
LOL

It doesn't look like Obama is trying to patch up things with the HRC wing of the party. Not too smart on his part. He has boxed himself over in the left wing of the party and I don't see him getting out. I just hope he doesn't bring the rest of the party down with him. The election in Mississippi was a good sign. We need to forget about the presidential election and put our time and money into the local races.
Does anybody know of any online resourses that will put us in contact with local candidates?

Jack

They also supposedly have a video of her in Reverend Wright's church railing against "whitey" that they are holding out for the fall. Why don't they release it now, unless they really don't want Hillary to be the nominee? jeejee

I read they are holding it for the General, all the way 'til October so there won't be time for him to recoup. The Republicans supposedly want to run against him now. They know Hillary will be a more formidable candidate.

This isn't good. David Schuster reporting that Andrea Mitchell says top Clinton aides are now telling her she isn't going to win. He played one of her ads that's currently running on TV--very mellow-whole different tone--Ifeel sick.

Here Jack,

They have stuck with Hillary. Why not stick with them for your local and state elections

http://www.emilyslist.org/

This isn't good. David Schuster reporting that Andrea Mitchell says top Clinton aides are now telling her she isn't going to win. He played one of her ads that's currently running on TV--very mellow-whole different tone--Ifeel sick.
Posted by: ubns

Don't trust Andrea Mitchell or anyone at MSNBC. We know she's going to play this out, hold onto her delegates 'til the convention and let's see what happens.

That ARG poll for Oregon does show that she got closer, but it may be a fluke??

ARG 5/14-16/08 45 50
PPP (D) 5/10-11/08 39 53
SurveyUSA 5/9-11/08 43 54
Portland Tribune 5/8-10/08 35 55

"Let's return America to people who actually understand and honor the Constitution and the rule of law. "

And be sure to elect that person through caucuses and disenfranchising states.

With wind, water, and solar production of electricity, I think plug ins for autos is probably the best way to go, particularly if you live in the southwest. Put solar panels on your home and sell the excess back to the grid.

If T Boone Pickens likes wind. I like wind. : )

Interesting data on the Buchanan-Ferraro race gender comments. Everyone can dismiss it as inconclusive exit polling.
To recap:
* Among Clinton voters, 19% said race was important and 26% said gender was important.
* Among Obama voters, 19% said race was important and 16% said gender was important.
* Among voters who said race was important, Clinton netted 100,000 votes
* Among voters who said gender was important, Clinton netted 1.5 million votes

This is emphatic, conclusive evidence that not only was Pat Buchanan wrong, but so was Geraldine Ferraro.

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/05/buchanans-paran.html

""Put another log on the fire"

is that the Tompall Glaser version, Jack?

Cut me up some bacon and some beans!

A few minutes ago on Fox News, one the guests started to mention "The Rumor" on the net about MO - she was stopped. She did say it is being looked into.

Jack, Rez...good to see you around today. I've missed you the past few times I've signed on.

Kentucky ARG
Democrats May 14-15
Clinton 65%
Obama 29%
Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama 56% to 38% among men (45% of likely Democratic primary voters). Among women, Clinton leads 72% to 21%.

Clinton leads 73% to 21% among white voters (87% of likely Democratic primary voters). Obama leads 91% to 7% among African American voters (11% of likely Democratic primary voters).

Clinton leads 59% to 35% among voters age 18 to 49 (46% of likely Democratic primary voters) and Clinton leads 71% to 23% among voters age 50 and older.

12% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary and 50% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Barack Obama in the primary.

Jamie in SNF , John Travolta's character was supposed to be the nice guy. He said he wouldn't play the character if he was nice. It was his choice for the character to be like he was. Strange as that may sound. I heard something the other day about 55 bloggers from Michigan being allowed on the convention floor in Denver. Anybody else hear that?

I am packing for my weekend in Paris... I actually think being away from the blog will be good for me... maybe a bunch of us should take a break. :-)

Anyway... I just read something that said if "every vote counted equally" in this campaign, Hillary would have sewn up the nomination a week ago, assuming the SDs fell in line with the popular votes. Makes me wonder what the hell the DNC has done to create such an unfair process. Oh well... we can't do much about it now.

Best

rezdog

Major outpoint with that poll. What was the racial composition of the people interviewed in the exit polls?

If you have a district where previous voting patterns are vastly different than the voting patterns in a more recent election, then you have to ask "What changed?"

Race may not be the ONLY reason Obama has taken such a large percentage of the AA vote, but it is certainly a major reason. There is nothing wrong with that. He is their guy and they are proud of him. Why not vote for him unless other factors intervene?

What I've objected to all along is that in the delegate assignment a vote for a person of one ethnicity will count less than one for a person of another ethnicity. That is the part I consider undemocratic.

This is emphatic, conclusive evidence that not only was Pat Buchanan wrong, but so was Geraldine Ferraro.

Rezdog- yeah, but that depends which state you're in too.

Sup Lard,

Just dropped in to police up after Max. LOL

Meg, I wasn't the author . . it's just from the blogoshere

Brien, I know, but I thought the breakdown was informative.
And I do worry that it will come closer since the media has basically called the primary as a done deal.
Also, I don't think of it that way.
I don't discount her wins because someone else tells me they aren't important. That propaganda is put out by the other side.

Ellen's enagaged now. Looks California is the place to be now.

Ellen's enagaged. Looks like California is the place to be now.

A coherent clean up Rez would be actual rebutal of remarks made. So far you just took a shot at the no Black comment. Some clean up.

Yeah, Obama is all things to all people. My bet is that Rice gets fired in the GE for failing to keep her mouth closed. That would leave Skeletor and Zbig....LOL

And a flag pin...

Gosh...are we still arguing here about Obama v. Hillary? The only chance for a game-changer at this point is another major revelation about Obama's background that renders him totally unelectable in the eyes of everyone. I think it's fine for Hillary to finish out her run and remain available to pick up the nomination if that's what it comes to. In doing so, she is not hurting Obama in any way. So barring that, what's the point of arguing anymore?

Meanwhile, Obama folks better start focusing fast on bringing the Hillary crowd into their tent instead of lording their victory over us.

Have fun in Paris EuroTom.

We'll always have Paris. I'll never forget that you wore blue and the Germans wore gray.

I wonder if all the rest of super delagates came out today and went for Hillary and she was leading would the Obama people tell him to drop out ?
Would they complain that they are giving her the election?
If so why aren't they complaining now when SD are going for him?
He is not getting SD's only from the states he has won.He is getting them from her states.
OB's supporters keep bragging about getting SD's but they wouldn't be doing so if they were going for Hillary.And there is nothing to stop them from doing so
Donna B keeps saying SD's should not make the decision,then why don't she tell all SD's to wait until the convention.Why are they taking sides before all the states have voted.Isn't that why Dean wanted all states to have a say.
Ruth

it doesn't change the fact that at its heart the system is such that the people have little or nothing to do with the choice for the head of their government" Jamie

I feel much better when someone puts that out there.
We "appear" to have a choice.

That anti-MO ad is nothing compared to the one the Repugs will do with the "we've been grooming him for years" statement by Rev W. They'll ask in their scariest voices "who is we" and flash pictures of Rezko, Auchi, Farrakhan,etc with labels like hatemonger, terrorist, criminal or "grooming to do what" and show riots, bomb-throwing, dirty deals,etc.
It's not going to be pretty folks.

ubns
Rubin said this morning that wasn't true that Hillary is giving up.He said they had thousands of volunteers and they don't always speak for Clinton
Ruth

Max,

Where there's smoke, there's fire. i just picked up on the quick and easy cheap shots you fire. Most of your material is filled with innuendo and/or other derogatory utterances.
I don't waste much time on your crap any more. Bout the only thing I agree with you on; is that few, if any, are going to be convinced of much here. My comments to LL was a joke. . chill.

Rubin said this morning that wasn't true that Hillary is giving up"painter

Ruth, she's not giving up.
We do know that she see's the reality of the situation though.
So she'll win her delegates, watch all the supers betray her, then wait 'til the convention to see what happens.

We'll Always Have Paris. Best ending to a movie ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa-dGYjSq5k

Jamie...Casablanca's definitely in that rare category of movies that's like a favorite piece of music. You can watch it over and over again, even night after night or more than once in a day...and it never, ever gets old...and there's always something new to find in it.

And of course Dooley Wilson was integral to creating the whole ambiance though a lot of edited version take out his song "Shine" because of the racial reference.

Here is Had to Be You and Knock on Wood

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA3ble8rPGc

That anti-MO ad is nothing compared to the one the Repugs will do with the "we've been grooming him for years" statement by Rev W. Pat

The audience doesn't seem to be as gullible this time around. It doesn't seem like the negative ads are all that successful any more. They said with all the millions Hillary and Obama were spending, they still both hung onto their very same constituency in each state.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/action/flmidnc/?sc=1856&utm_source=1856&utm_medium=e

This site should let you send in to DNC a request to seat Fla.&Mi

Let's stop wasting our time with the BO losers on this thread and start being constructive in our approach to helping Hillary and getting our message to the DNC regarding how serious we are about defecting.

Go to: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/hillaryormccain?e

The letter will give you plenty of talking points, email your congressperson, email NOW, email your State Democratic Party, etc. to start a ground swell of support.

Make calls to Oregon as I have today:
http://www.hillaryclinton.com

Let's stand tall for her.

Let's stop wasting our time with the BO losers on this thread and start being constructive in our approach to helping Hillary and getting our message to the DNC regarding how serious we are about defecting. BOWWOW

bowwow, will do. Thanks.

UPDATE: MO video - Johnson now claims 4 sources.

"I now have it from two three four sources (three who are close to senior Republicans) that there is video dynamite–Michelle Obama railing against “whitey” at Jeremiah Wright’s church. "

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/

Ruth, I followed your link and filled out the form for Hillary.
Thanks.

I just got an e-mail from DNc asking for money and I hit unsubsribe from the letter.There was a box for me to say why I was doing so.A good opportunity to let them know I and many of my friends are MAD about how the party has treated the Clinton's.
Ruth

"I now have it from two three four sources (three who are close to senior Republicans) that there is video dynamite–Michelle Obama railing against “whitey” at Jeremiah Wright’s church. "
Gordo

You know, for some reason, if this tape exists, I am not at all surprised. I can almost picture it.

I just got back from the post office, Nick. Thanks for your help, I went ahead & signed in. I'm not having any tech problems with typekey today, maybe the IT people here helped with that.

It's a pity Obama doesn't put a few of the bloggers here on his payroll, but I don't think they could be nice even if they were trying. Well, we'll see how November turns out.

Ruth

I am one up on you, received two letters from DNC, I replied and told them not one penny. And listed the reasons, and then informed them they had lost me and the millions of other women they don't want, so they are now wasting their time asking us for money. Takes a lot of gall.

Julie

Patsi

It was the muppet version with Candice Bergen and a bunch of hillbilly puppets

LL

Just lurking most days

I've said everything there is to be said, no need to repeat it any more. What 's going to happen is going to happen.

also I've been dealing with my mothers illness(congestive heart failure). It just keeps getting worse.

Jamie
Thanks for the link to Emilies list

Jack

I just got an e-mail from DNc asking for money and I hit unsubsribe from the letter. Ruth

Good for you. I'm going to do the same.

The Dems need to start acting like Republicans and put the party over their personal differences...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/15/AR2008051503578.html

In the video, wonder if MO wants to "rip out whitey's eyes" ?

Jack,

Sorry to hear about your mother. Treasure her final days wih you..
Miss you wheb your not here. You always seem to find the right song - some hilarious - to fit the situation.
And you comments are usually spot on.

No need to me to post any more - I just get too mad.

Julie

The Dems need to start acting like Republicans and put the party over their personal differences... Warren

Can we at least wait to see who our nominee is?

lol
Warren
That would be like Baptist electing a Pope.
If they wanted to behave that way they would become Catholic.

Jack

Fox TV NEWS FLASH!

Obama accuses McCain of appalling attack!

poor guy.

j

Great Julie,
Maybe we can unsubscribe by the millions
Then they will get the message.

Meg
Good for you too

Ruth

Jack...if you're like the rest of my pals in my old KC stomping grounds, you've been dodging twisters quite a bit lately too. Good luck with that as well.
Anyway, glad to know you're still lurking.

Nanny
I agree! when we start walking in lockstep with the party we will have lost our freedom and our self respect.
And if Obama wins GE those that followed blindly will only have theirselves to blame when this country self-destructs
Ruth

Jack
Sorry about your mother.Wish you the best
Ruth

Some Democrats think they're electing the messiah.

the only thing the WaPo is good for is to lay down for my grandson's puppy to poop on nanny

nan, my point exactly.

Billary as victim. That's rich. Barack Obama use her gender against her? Nope. She use his race against him? Yeah.

What's funny is that y'all deluded yourselves by believing Billary could win. Now that you see the cold hard realities, you want to lash out. Well, you guys were the ones who chose to believe. You have nothing but yourselves to blame.

Well, we haven't seen much brilliance from him for going on what...two months now? Since the Wright deal broke? It's all been backpedaling and condescension ever since. "I said this but I meant that." "You think that but you should really think this." That kind of attitude.

Meanwhile, as more and more segments of the country wake up to the reality that he is not at all prepared to be president, look for more backpedaling and more condescension coming to a theater near you as he gets even more defensive.

Like so many others here, I'm honestly struggling with the thought of voting for someone I don't think is qualified for the job and who has flim-flammed and mau-maued his way this far. And I'm a diehard Democrat who pulled hard for everyone this party has nominated since Hubert Humphrey and George McGovern. My ambivalence is not out of spite that Hillary lost. It's out of fear about what two incompetent presidents in a row might mean for this country's future.

On the other hand, maybe Obama Girl will make another video. The sight of her rolling around on a bed in her underwear does -- at least momentarily -- make you forget all his flaws.

I'd vote for Obama Girl! LOL!

Appalling attack? That would make it even worse than Wright..LOL After the silence over Meeks, Lee, Moss, Power, Wright, it is quite funny hearing Obama cry about that nasty McCain.

Rez, I love you too. You know when I quoted sections of the NIE to document my evidence, everyone cried at the length. The NIE was quite clear that Bush-led sanctions were responsible for thwarting Iran and numerous centrist bloggers and military experts have mostly supported the notion that our invasion of Iraq made Iran and Gaddafi blink. Obama and Rice today ignored that and made false claims. It IS really that simple.

The point I made about McCain's 2006 comment is accurate, so you would have to show some proof that I was wrong. You would have to show evidence that Richardson and Obama were not wrong about the moderate government in Pakistan. They are cutting bigger deals with the militants and won't cover for our strikes as Musharraf did on more than six occasions. Offer credible evidence or be man enough to admit you are wrong in calling my remarks crap.

When Hillary said what Rice said today, the line about "if Iran does not stop terrorism and stop enrichment we will use force", she was attacked for being a Republican. Am I right? Only Obama supporters can let this new bullshit pivot pass the credibility test. He will now use Hillary's tact on Iran after condemning her Kyl vote? Wright was obviously right about Obama saying whatever he must to get elected. Obama is a complete bullshit artist.

Show me anything in the non-verbal record that makes Obama the toughest supporter of Israel. Show me how raising the capital gains tax or the corporate tax is Right of Hillary. Show me how Obama and Pelosi will double out SOF without ruining our conventional force and destroying the necessary quality of our SOF. Show me how cutting defense spending is going to make us stronger and protect us from coming delivery threats. 'Show me how Corn subsidizes are rational for energy solutions. Did any oilrigs break and leak during Katrina? So why let China drill closer to the US than we allow the Chinese? Show me how Obama could write memos along side the margin of the question to Obama asking if he supports a total gun ban (which a staffer answer yes) and claim it wasn't his answer?

You can't even begin to refute the dubious policies floated by Obama regarding Latin America. So I post topic after topic and you offer no evidence to the contrary. How has Gaddafi agreeing to a complete inspection and closing of his WMD facilities make us less safe? How has removing the Taliban from power made us less safe? How has making India and Pakistan step back from nuclear confrontation made us less safe? How has Musharraf at least capturing more AQ than anyone else made us LESS safe? How has forcing NK to the table made us less safe? How has leading an international coalition on sanctions that made Iran cut back on their nuclear program made us less safe? How has aiding Columbia that hit Farc, killed its leader and grabbed the lap top that Interpol confirms reveals what Chavez is up to, made us less safe? How has the efforts of domestic security which has prevented attacks here since 9/11 made us less safe? How has our help to thwart piracy off Somalia and launch strikes which reversed Islamist control of Somalia made us less safe? Why is France, Germany, Italy and Britain moving towards more centrist support of the US than 8 years ago? You have no evidence that these positive points Obama and Rice do not accept as truthful, are lies, do you? And you don't think greedy home sellers and private banks caused much of the sub prime abuses? You think driving less is the answer to oil prices? Do you deny that Obama's top financial advisor has been fined tens of BILLIONS because of her sub prome abuses? You think everyone over $97,000 incomes should pay more taxes? You think Amnesty should be the rule without border security? Do you agree with Obama's Senate proposal to prevent employers from checking the status of workers? You think illegals should get universal healthcare coverage? You think illegals that commit crimes should get free medical and be let out on bail and not deported? You think affirmative action should stand as is?

So it doesn't matter what Obama spouts nor the evidence that his views are refuted by fact. The facts must be wrong because the model is right. Do you even know that climate scientists are predicting several years of cooling? That is right, but they now contend it will be followed by warming because their model is right, even though the data indicates a cooling trend.

I am a rationalist above all Rez. I have offered far more than innuendo. It should not be ideology that decides Obama's mother was a conservative. It should be based on the facts. Obama's mother was hardly a conservative, but it doesn't bother you that Obama uses her "conservative" spin to appeal to conservative voters. That is really lying to get votes. On one hand you are cynical about Obama's flaws and say, hell, politicians do that, but still hail some essential credibility about his bipartisan nature, his centrist foreign policy and his honest character when the record and history doesn't support it.

Rice said the next President will be the janitor of the world. He will have to clean up all the global disasters that Bush has caused by his stupidity. And she has the balls to bitch about Bush's remark about appeasement? The Democrats have been vilifying Bush for years and they cry about the horror of McCain's lack of civility?

I know you're good with that Rez. That's the problem. For a bunch of so-called intellectuals, Obama's support team takes the voting public for fools. The only thing that is crap, has been the responses made in defending Obama from the indefensible. Wright, Malley, Meeks, Rezko, Ayers and his father, Auchi, Zbig, Lee, Khalidi, Michelle...they are all works of art, aren't they? Obama will either ask them for help or brush them aside as he rails on BUSHMcCAIN, never raising his emotions over Iran, Syria, Putin, Hugo, China, Sudan, Burma, Hamas, Hizb"Allah, OBL, Taliban. FARC, Castro. I have never even heard him lament the suffering of women in Iran or the terrible plight of Blacks in Darfur.

His biggest fury is directed at Bush. So much for crap Rez........

Meg and Ruth-

Thanks for the encouraging words about this race not being over. Just listening to Eugene Robinson praising MO and Richard Wolfe saying that MO will be a real asset drawing in the women who supported Hillary. This guy is clueless!

LL if you vote for Obama, you can give up calling yourself a rationalist. No, America will be far worse to have suffered a fool from the right and a fool from the left. In the end, I suggest you vote for whoever you think is more the centrist.

And remember, the Obama record will fow hm into the WH where he will need Pelosi and company for political protection. That is why they love Obama and hate Hillary. She doesn't take orders from the NeoLiberals. Obama wil unite with the Left and show us all how the Left can screw things up even more than the Right. We wlll see many people lose their reputations and careers by the folly to come. But perhaps it will give rise to a new Reagan, which is what Newt and other conservatives are hoping. History repeats iteself sometimes and Carter redux is what America will face should Obama win, and a second act with half the moral compass and a far more dangerous crew of followers.

I wonder if Moss will swaer Obama in and whether Sharpton will finally get his cahnce to sleep in the Lincoln Bedroom. Want to bet when inflation comes Obama tries to regulate prices?

"The Dems need to start acting like Republicans and put the party over their personal differences..."

You should have thought of that before you started the name calling.

It is much deeper than that Pats. It is defending lies by name calling. I mean, Obama called Hillary a Republican Lite, and watch him now pivot to center...LOL

Had Hillary really been a Republican she would have broke this crap over Obama's head after Iowa. God Damn Hillary. Yeah, Wright.

Max...my problem is that I'm not even sure exactly what the guy will stand for if he ever does get elected. After all, you can't legislate "good feelings" and "catchy sayings."

The thought of him as a Pelosi puppet just sends chills down my spine. I mean, what the hell does SHE really stand for. The Dems are in Year 2 of controlling both houses and haven't figured out how to do jack. And don't tell me it's only because there's a Republican president. Pelosi asserts her prerogative when it helps the least, and she waffles when it would have meant the most -- like kicking John Dingell's hoary old wrinkled ass over tougher CAFE standards (sorry Corey. I know that's a slam at Michigan). You certainly wouldn't know she was nominally one of the most powerful people in America. As far as I'm concerned, the Dems have learned no lessons from the failures of the Foley era.

Gee LL , hasn't Michigan suffered enough this week! LOL!

Corey...I'm truly sorry about your Tigers, even though they were swept by my Royals. I really like that team and was counting on them to win the AL Central and maybe even the pennant this year.

On the other hand...the Pistons should be evening things out for you, shouldn't they?

My evil twin wants Hillary Clinton as Senate majority leader just so she can look across the capitol at Pelosi, and say, "Now what was it you wanted to do dear?" not to mention putting a spike heel in the middle of Kennedy's instep every time she passed his desk. "Oops!"

LL, you are right. I might even vote for Obama if the Republicans contrilled Congress. Obama would have some bearing, but he will enter with more rumors about everything from A to Z than Clinton ever did. It will get worse and Michelle and Obama will be under greater fire. If they do win, it will be after an awful America splitting divide involving anti-American, racist slurs fired back and forth. There will be no mandate, but if the Democrats win several seats more in Congress and Obama becomes president, watch out. I trust Pelosi/Dean/Durbin/Reid in control of the WH like I trust Huffington. Pelosi made more of stink about tibet than Darfur, Assad, Iran and Somalia combined. Amd to think she owes her position to Blue Dogs.

Which way is the wind blowing? That is the way Obama runs. At least McCain has some principles. I know who you will vote for. I have never voted for a Republican in my life, but I am not about to give our rudder over to Obama, Mischeele and Pelosi/Reid. We'll end up on the reefs for sure and the NeoLIberals will still be blaming Bush.

LL , I was talking about Grand Rapids. LOL!

Extensive coverage on BBC about the China quake rescue efforts and the Myanmar relief sitting out in ships waiting ...

Just thought you might like to know what is happening in the world while the US news is being as ineffectual as ever.

Watching Hu Jintao and his cabinet dealing with the China quake is amazing compared with Shrub and Katrina.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu_Jintao

There will be a major scandal about the lack of construction values in the schools where so many children will have died.

Max. Right on. And as far as the rest of this campaign goes, the loyal rank and file of the Democratic Party is basically being asked to participate in the political equivalent of a dysfunctional alcoholic family. To wit:

"Daddy's not really incompetent and unelectable. He's just tired because he was up all night worrying about healing the country and helping you kids. And remember the time he took you to the carnival and bought you that cotton candy and made that great speech about race? C'mon kids! Suck it up! Get on board and get with the program! Show Daddy how much you love him. And please don't tell the other kids at school how Daddy and Mommy trash white people when we're really, really tired and cranky. Otherwise, you'll just destroy the family and me and Daddy might stop loving you and you won't have a place to live."

Yeah, sure. Sign me up for that drama now. I can't phukkin' wait.

I think families where Mommy is a bitch and not afraid to let the world to know it are far, far healthier.

I think families where Mommy is a bitch and not afraid to let the world to know it are far, far healthier.

Posted by: LardassLiberal Author Profile Page | May 16, 2008 7:17 PM

You may want to ask family members if they agree...

"Patsi are you going to piss and moan all the way through to November?"

No. I won' have time to do anything to do with this election. Not carryingsigns and material to my neighborhood or any other worker bee things.

And when you call Hillary Clinton a loser, keep in mind her base, which is just barely short of your boy's. MILLIONS of Democrats. So watch how you treat them, pal. You and your ilk are the ones splitting the party.

Dear "Huh?"

Since you're obviously a regular poster who's too chicken to post under your regular name, why would I care if you agree or not?

But maybe I should have said: "Families where Mommy is a COMPETENT bitch and REALLY LOVES HER KIDS INSTEAD OF JUST TELLING THEM SHE DOES WHEN IT SUITS HER...are far, far healthier."

Thanks for prompting the edit.

ROFL -- good for you, Lard!

Patsi -- Daddy's just tired and cranky tonight, and not in the mood for trolls.

LL, the story the Democrats want us to be children in, MOMMY is a bitch and Daddy would never have passed the auditions without her. I would rather seek foster care than tow the line for Obama, Michelle, Pelosi and Reid. The DNC has already split the vote. I say split the ticket and prevent this dysfunctional fam"ill"y from setting back the Democrats for decades. They have trashed the Clinton familiy.;ied to mainstream America and have merely passed the Democratic West Wing Auditions.

Max, c'mon now. You may THINK you saw Daddy hit Mommy during the primaries, but he really didn't hit her. He was just trying to hug her while he healed the country. Mommy says so, too. And that black eye is just left over from her mascara running in New Hampshire. That's what you need to tell the police if they come to the house.

For gawd's sake...I hope the Dems get Dr. Phil to make the keynote speech. That may be all that can save them at this point. LOL!

Jamie, the Chinese will execute those responsible. Not sure we would do that here, however, the Chinese government is sitting on a monsterous time bomb. The Three Gorge damnjis built across a fault line. When that goes, millions will die. It will probably be the worst human engineered disaster baring another nuclear snafoo of epic proportions.

Stll in real dollars, the earthquake might not cost that much more than 9/11. i think the tab so far is about twenty Billion. Of course, the human toll was indeed terrible and my heart goes out to them and the poor Burmanese.

The DNC has already split the vote. I say split the ticket and prevent this dysfunctional fam"ill"y from setting back the Democrats for decades. They have trashed the Clinton familiy.;ied to mainstream America and have merely passed the Democratic West Wing Auditions." maxtrue

Max, I'm on board for this idea. If it's a go, count me in.

Now racing around the web:

DNC to female Dems: "What do you think you're looking at, sugar tits?"

Just this minute on NPR...a soundbite from a speech by Obama today:

"John McCain has repeated this notion that I am willing to negotiate with terrorists. I have never said that...."

Great. Way to not sound defensive Barack. Way to not give free advertising for what your adversary is saying about you. Way to not make a lame attempt to make your own "victimhood on the campaign trail" the issue.

Brilliant campaigner, indeed.

LL

" a COMPETENT bitch and REALLY LOVES HER KIDS INSTEAD OF JUST TELLING THEM SHE DOES"

There were nights when I came home, immediately flipped off the shoes and announced to the children, "Mommy's a bitch tonight, good behavior is probably one of your better ideas".

They would immediately pile into my lap and make all the bad stuff go away. : )

Max

"Of course, the human toll was indeed terrible and my heart goes out to them and the poor Burmanese. "

And the really terrible part at least for China, is that all those deaths will be an economic benefit.

Any experts on California politics here tonight?

I've been wondering when we last had a direct smackdown between California Gays and California Right Wing Kooks. Who wins those wars these days?

ie., Will the gay-marriage issue drive more positive turnout for Repubs or for Dems? I'm thinking having it on the ballot could only make a sure state more shaky.

My Mom was the nice parent. My Dad was/is the mean. My Dad always got mad. My Mom rarely got mad. So , I was used to my Dad getting mad over stuff. My Mom? When she got mad , I knew I was in trouble.

Jamie...you were definitely a good Mom. :)

LL, I mentioned that inmy long morning post. Democrats always get hysterical over what they think is THEIR weakness trying to tout the response as brilliant countering the Republican weakness. Obama said about five false claims in a row to defend himself after mischaracterizing Bush's remarks. His effort was supported by the pre-emptive attack by MSNBC and CNN for twenty four straight hours of awe and thunder. In his supreme arrogance he said to Bush, "Bring it on" he will debate foreign policy anywhere and anytime.

Strange how this bravado is confined to attacking Republicans. They must be our greatest enemy.

Meg, I'm already there having failed to come with any possible thing Obama could do at this point to change my mind. His pivot to center is simply a dance move, whereas bowling is more revealing where is balls end up.

Oooo. Aren't we getting nasty tonight? No, I just keep on thinking of the smiles on the Obama's faces as they sat through twenty years of Wright's sermons. LIke Obama wasn't grateful to the grant the Ayers gave him and the Rezko support. I can imagine all the jokes made in private. And the joke is far from over.

Lardass and Jamie,
Nothing like scaring the crap out of your kids by threatening them to get them to behave. I don't think that's Hillary values.

Patsi, don't worry no one is ever going to call you "sugar tits."

Patsi. Great minds. I just saw your California Theory.

And???

Huh?

You are missing the point. Honest parenting isn't about "scaring the crap out of your kids." The point is you are honest with your kids. Jamie didn't scare the crap out of her kids in that anecdote. She was being honest with them, and they loved her for it.

Dishonest parenting is about conditional love, parental love being withheld depending on behavior by children. And, in my original analogy, I was pointing out that I fear that's what we're in for with an Obama nomination. In other words, we in the Hillary camp have to "get on board" or risk "destroying the family."

I thought the comparison was fairly obvious, but I'm sorry I brought it up at this point.

--Lardass

Corey...I read your post about your Mom and Dad. I've seen your other stuff on your blog related. I can only say that I admire you for bearing up in that situation. You are a treasure to this place.

The comparison was not obvious. And while I may disagree with your point, this is a matter of perspective. I respect your perspective and regard it as sincere. As such, please accept my apology if what wrote was an inaccurate interpretation of your post or upset you.

Dear "Huh?"

Here's a great new fake screen name you should try on for size: "Duh!"

I have nothing more to say to you. But I do have to congratulate you on not making any spelling mistakes in all your fake posts!

sorry for the double post.....

Max...at least I hope you got laid after that West Village encounter!

"...you were definitely a good Mom. :)"

Well I live with one and the other emails daily and calls weekly, so I couldn't have been too horrible. Of course my son does the "All That Jazz" bargaining routine on my birthday

She's Old, I'm Weaned .....

Dear "Lardass",
If that's your real name. Sorry about your anger management issues.

It's my "real name" on this blog. Why don't you stick with yours, Miss Civility?

If I had, my beautiful Indian girlfriend would have a better place than the gutter for my balls. Isn't it strange that when you're not interested (or can’t act on it) the girls are all over you. It is like "good boy" radar. She gave me her card and told me that she has some renovation work that needed to be done....LOL I bet and she was very cute. Her friend's name was Tuesday. Strange evening, I was celebrating the end of a photo shoot with Jesse Nesmeth of KaBoom. I was doing some set construction for him and his catered food saved me. After three large shots of Tequila and five drafts of Stella, I was still able to bike from Horatio below 11th St to 57th St. without hitting a cab or puking...LOL. It was that damn catered food I stuffed my face on.

Had a great day today..signs in the morning, visiting a senior center at noon, phone banking in afternoon.

Hillary made a surprise visit to headquarters on her way to Salem..Lots of fun..

99 degrees here today..very hot for us.

Hillary does a live townhall on Channel 8 at 7. It may be seen on internet. kgw tv 8 Portland.

Both she and O were invited. He declined of course. Channel 8 gave her both her and his 30 minutes for a total of 60.

Have a great night everybody..

Multiple name changers

Sen Obama got heckled and he made a lovely, "we will all get along eventually" and then went into a spiel of all the points of agreement. Among them:

She believes in universal healthcare
I believe in universal healthcare

Huh? Since when? A new development since the Edwards' endorsement?

Oregon is a closed primary...Dems vote for Dems. and Repubs for Repubs..

Independents may only vote in non-partisan races and ballot measures

Max...in your scenario, can Vlad also be a black market dealer in loose Ukrainian nukes? If so, I'm TOTALLY on board!

Clintonistas Only: Have you seen the new Hillary poster? I ordered three?!:

http://www.hillarystore.com/store/HC0925.html

OD, will Clinton Democrats be allowed to vote?? If yes, will their votes be tallied?

Nick...I'm in Florida. No worries.

Lard, if you like antiques, my mom is closing shop and has some beautiful stuff. I'm sure you could find a great deal. She's at the PGA club north of Boca.

Maxtrue1@yahoo.com if you're into that stuff. Just tell me what you're interests are if any and I will check it out for you. She's finally grown tired of doing shows and has a small warehouse of stuff.

Maxtrue - "I was still able to bike from Horatio below 11th St to 57th St. without hitting a cab or puking...LOL. It was that damn catered food I stuffed my face on."

I have to know: motorcycle or bicycle?

Hi everyone, I tried to catch up and read all the posts, but I skipped a bunch.

I believe I heard some of the HRC supporters singing this for Obama today

Joan Baez - It Ain't Me, Babe (Live 1965)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cmNRVL1drA

Jack

I haven't had time to read all the posts today so don't know if this has been posted already. It bears repeating if it has been previously posted.

"FL & MI Deserve To Be Heard"

Millions of people in Florida and Michigan went to the polls to make their voices heard in the Democratic Presidential primary. They deserve to have their votes count.

The DNC's Rules and Bylaws Committee is meeting on May 31 to make a decision about Florida and Michigan. Send a message to the DNC telling them to count the votes and seat Florida and Michigan's delegates.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/action/flmidnc/?sc=2462

Ruth,
I received an email from the DNC earlier today and unsubscribed with a comment. I have been doing the same thing whenever I get a solicitation from them in the mail.

Joan Baez is like a vintage Ani DiFranco, very similar in style, look , message and attitude.

Thanks for that clip, Jack.

: )

I'm sure this will make all you Hillary supporters happy.

Mike Huckabee jokes about Obama being assassinated.

"During a speech before the National Rifle Association convention Friday afternoon in Louisville, Kentucky, former Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee — who has endorsed presumptive GOP nominee John McCain — joked that an unexpected offstage noise was Democrat Barack Obama looking to avoid a gunman.

“That was Barack Obama, he just tripped off a chair, he’s getting ready to speak,” said the former Arkansas governor, to audience laughter. “Somebody aimed a gun at him and he dove for the floor.”"

http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=10391

and from another blog.

"Assassinating anyone isn't funny. Ever. From AP, these words came out of his mouth:

"That was Barack Obama. He just tripped off a chair. He's getting ready to speak and somebody aimed a gun at him and he — he dove for the floor."

Even the NRA crowd, where he delivered the line, didn't laugh. Sick Fuck."

http://leftwingnutjob.blogspot.com/2008/05/huckabee-jokes-about-assassinating.html

It's also up on Huffington. Funny that no one here has mentioned this. But then you won't have to worry about voting for McInsane if this were to happen.

You would then have Hillary as nominee and there would be riots in the streets which might start another war on American soil and Martial Law would have to be enacted which would suspend the Constitution and the Election.

There would be no need then to start a War in Iran to carry out the agenda of the Republicans and your loyal leader Bush's plan.

Bicycle, I am eco-friendly in NYC. A Motorcycle I would have sideswiped a cab....LOL

Actually, I find bicycling around NYC great for the health and much faster than motorbike or car, or subway, or certainly a bus.

All you missed was the usual....and some humor to deflect the sad realities.

Allllllrighty then....

LL

It got a bit windy around and a couple of small tornados nothing close and nothing like what hit down in OK and Southern Missouri.

After the tornados down south Missouri the local TV station (channel 9) sent down a reporter. He did the best interview of disaster victims that I've ever seen. For some reason he was able to connect with them and one of the older couples talked to him like the camera wasn't there and he was a friend they were telling what happened. He was a young AA man. His basic reporting was a bit awkward but the interviews were great.
Maybe Obama should hire the young man so he can learn how a African American relates to elderly working class whites.

Jack

I'll drink with anyone.

Iris Dement - Our Town

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FikZwgj89HI

Jack

Nite all

Summertime - Ella Fitzgerald & Louis Armstrong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yKgAEkCKxY

Jack

Thanks Max.

I see people on bikes in NYC and I think they are crazy. NYC would be better off with fewer autos. I imagine you learn the ropes , so to speak. Are there plenty of places to lock your bike? And does your bike need to be theft proof ? - as in no Quick release wheels or seat? Can you be ticketed for say like locking it to a tree? or stop sign?

LL - I'd met you guys there, if I was in town. the pitiful self invite...lol

Being part Jewish and part Irish - when I drink - I am silly and gregarious as well as profane and belligerent (but only verbally ; )

Sure, we should all meet. There are lots of places to lock bikes and I have that massive ten lb. chain and lock. I have a dirt bike with front shocks and one of those cool seats that preserves my nuts shaped like a horseshoe. I quick release that so it wont get stolen. I love my disc brakes and small rear wheel rack so I can haul some stuff. I have gotten use to flying through streets and around cars and buses. I guess I should wear a helmet, but I don't.

So come visit. Some great Mexican places. There is a fantastic bike trail from Battery Park at the Southern tip, up the West Side all the way to the George Washington Bridge. NYC is becomeing more bike friendly, just so wealthy that few of us uneducated, poor white folk can afford to rent or buy. And without illegals the whole damn place would fall apart and my pizza would never get here......

One visit my daughter concentrated on bikes, (in her photography), I know that ten lb. chain and lock, it seems to be a popular choice.

The bike store here always equates their helmet prices to the education level of the buyer....kind of a joke, but in the end what are you protecting?

I got my bike out today and filled the tires, ready to start biking to work...on Monday.

Yes, Warren, I can sense that in your posts. Now I understand you more. There is almost a war within you though you never reveal that directly in your posts. Now I wonder which half supports Hillary and which half supports Obama.

Damn, that Irish comic was on Stewart last night and his name escapes me. Damn, but he said, yeah, there was a potato famine and we all nearly starved to death despite our country surrounded by fish, go figure. Stewart was laughing....

I went to high school with a small Irsih kid named Hagen. He was such a cocky bastard. One day we started to slap box on the fotball field. We were out there going at it for twenty minutes. I had the reach, but he just would stop. When we finally gave up our faces were red for the rest of the day. He complimeted my for not letting my Jewishness wimp out and I complimented him for not letting his Iraish bride keep him from agreeing to a cease fire. I thnk we both had mutual respect after that, though i had to say, the Irish and Jewish personality often clash. Irish tend to contain their emotions and Jews often bast in them, like Italians.

Hell we can all get together and build a druken human pyramid with the more centrist on the bottom and the most Liberal on the top. I sure hope Lard is strong. Now do we invite all the girls? I bet Wendy is strong...LOL

Well maybe a smaller group my be a better starter. In Obama fashion we should reditribute the wealth and have people pay based on their ability....LOL

Okay, I confess. I have been trying to pump out thoughts spontaneously and I don't type. That is why my typos are so bad. If I proof read them they don't get posted in the order I want. Sometimes the typos are so bad I have to correct........

"Yes, Warren, I can sense that in your posts. Now I understand you more. There is almost a war within you though you never reveal that directly in your posts. Now I wonder which half supports Hillary and which half supports Obama.

Damn, that Irish comic was on Stewart last night and his name escapes me. Damn, but he said, yeah, there was a potato famine and we all nearly starved to death despite our country surrounded by fish, go figure. Stewart was laughing....

I went to high school with a small Irish kid named Hagen. He was such a cocky bastard. One day we started to slap box on the football field. We were out there going at it for twenty minutes. I had the reach, but he just wouldn't stop. When we finally gave up, our faces were red for the rest of the day. He complimented me for not letting my Jewishness wimp out and I complimented him for not letting his Irish pride keep him from agreeing to a cease fire. I thnk we both had mutual respect after that, though i had to say, the Irish and Jewish personality often clash. Irish tend to contain their emotions and Jews often baste in them, like Italians. Irish tend to think of such emotionality a unmanly.

Hell we can all get together and build a druken human pyramid with the more centrist on the bottom and the most Liberal on the top. I sure hope Lard is strong. Now do we invite all the girls? I bet Wendy is strong...LOL

Well maybe a smaller group my be a better starter. In Obama fashion we should reditribute the wealth and have people pay based on their ability....LO

Of course we invite the girls.

The only way to build a pyramid, drunken at that, is by evaluating strength and size. There is no way that a drunken liberal lardass is going to be at the top. - no offense.... intended.

Got to run. Take care.

Finally, I agree with warren .... : )

~peace

Okay, then the Political pyramid is out. My girlfriend will come and curse you all for keeping me from making more money...LOL

Since I don't have much clue as the age or professions of any of you, it will be quite an experiance. I bet most find me quite atypical. Then perhaps you would agree I am no Republican by nature or history. I guess Liberal Independent says it best. Resistance is not futile..

The bottom line is IT"S THE ECONOMY STUPID... AND THE WAR. Remember Gennifer Flowers, whitewater, letter against the war, anti-war protests in Russia, not inhaling, and on and on and on. it did not work because we were in a recession. Obama will be just fine running against the war monger.

Also, there was a record black turnout in MS and any attempt to go after Obama will motivate the black voters in these southern states like NC, VA, MS, SC, and GA and could make a BIG difference in state and local races... I think Jeremiah Wright backfires in the south because of large black populations in some of these southern states.

Craig ,

Here's an article that has a section inre your blog topic.

"The numbers appear to bear that out. In one black precinct in the town of Amory, Miss., the number of voters nearly doubled, to 413, from the Congressional election in 2006, and this for a special election with nothing else on the ballot. Meanwhile, in a nearby white precinct, the number of voters dropped by nearly half."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/16/us/politics/16south.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

Caroline,

I've read several bits of reporting that make the same point. In good times, people pay attention to all the side issues, but in hard times they want politicians to deal with important issues.
These should be good times for an Obama type candidacy.

Speaking of get-togethers

Jamie & HW,

Dear Wife and I are headed to the Hawk's Prairie Casino in Lacey, exit 111, for the Preakness tomorrow. Offer still stands for lunch and drinks on us. They have a simulcast room and OTB. It's a white man's joint so no fear lol i'll check in the am.
Go Big Brown!
and of course the "O" man.

http://www.hawksprairiecasino.com/

Lieberman Defends McCain’s Buddy John Hagee

"“unless John McCain’s idea of being a new kind of Republican includes cozying up to radicals who compare women to dogs, hold racially insensitive fundraisers and call one of the worst natural disasters in our country’s history God’s punishment, he should renounce John Hagee’s endorsement immediately.” They don’t seem prepared to let this die. Where do you think it stands? How do we go forward on this?

LIEBERMAN: Well, look, I think that the DNC is obviously doing this because they set Pastor Hagee as some kind of response to Reverend Wright Enhanced Coverage for Senator Obama. But I don’t think that’s fair in the basic way that everybody’s already said which is that never went to Pastor Hagee’s church. He accepted his endorsement. He represents a lot of people in this country, particularly Christians who care about the state of Israel. He founded a group called Christians United for Israel."

Some more on Hagee's views about...

"As Lieberman’s general praise for Hagee’s work, I’m going to have to assume that Lieberman has no idea what Hagee has actually said about Jews and Israel."

Read the rest at link below.

http://suzieqq.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/lieberman-defends-mccains-buddy-john-hagee/#comments

I don't know how anyone can defend Lieberman.

I whole-heartedly support the Democratic Party this year - because I fear no meaningful progress can be made with a Republican President. Not only would electing McCain entail a Third Bush Term here at home - but also in the eyes of the world.

There is no debate that Bush and his handling of the Iraq War has hurt our international reputation and damaged our credibility. This impacts our economy and our ability to lead on global issues such as the environment, famine, as well as terrorism.

Also - our go it alone policy has increased our burden in both blood and treasure for the two wars we are currently engaged in.

Electing John McCain would continue down this road and symbolize to the world that the American People approve.

And if we forgoe diplomacy in favor of name calling and saber rattling- how do we maintain any moral high ground?

Aren't we engaging in the same type of behavior you deplore Ahmadinejad in engaging in? Now mind you - as an American - I understand the distinction between our actions and those of Iran (although Bush has really pushed the limits). But imaginge how this "us vs. them" struggle appears to Iranians - or many other people in the Middle East - not just the "evil dictators".

"McCain Campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds said Obama "has pledged to unconditionally meet with Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad — who pledges to wipe Israel off the map, denies the Holocaust, sponsors terrorists, arms America's enemies in Iraq and pursues nuclear weapons."

Someone in Iran could make a similar case:

-Why should we cooperate with the US who has threatened to "obliterate Iran", is responsible for the death of thousands of innocent Iraqis, arms our enemies and threatens our existence with its huge arsenal of nuclear weapons.

My point is that I think this whole "us vs. them" debate is dangerous and counter-productive. We need to focus on the practical problems facing our countries and do so in a manner that charts a new course for the future - instead of re-fighting all of the battles of our past.

well said Warren

"is what"

That's a committee (R/B) she has clout with and they don't want to hear anymore. Her candidacy is over.

Got company tonite, leaving manana, and we're discussing pol. over cocktails. look out! LOL

I became more than a casual observer of politics when I came to realize they were doing the same thing many lawyers do in the middle of a heated case.

Trying to destroy your adversary and undermine their credibility in a zero-sum** scorched earth battle. But at least lawyers have judges - and the law to keep them in line. Politics has very few rules - and it is our job as the court of public opinion to keep our politicians in line.

Obama is not proposing that he is some black super hero who is going to swoop into Washington and make our problems go away with speeches and diplomatic relations with foreign countries.

He is proposing something far more mundane. Obama - like most Americans - realizes the critical challenges this Country will face in the dawn of Bush.

And Obama thinks that those problems with be better solved if Washington listens to the American People instead of special interests or party lines. And that our leaders should debate the issues of today and their ideas for how we go forward.

And on the issues - the Democrats have the better case and Obama wins that debate.

(But I wouldn't mind having the Clintons around if the debate strays off the issues...).

**"In game theory and economic theory, zero-sum describes a situation in which a participant's gain or loss is exactly balanced by the losses or gains of the other participant(s). It is so named because when the total gains of the participants are added up, and the total losses are subtracted, they will sum to zero."

That's a pretty sad piece.
You know I was a huge defender/apologist for Slick during their hard times. I am a democrat.
I can't tell you when that changed, but it did and it's sad.

20th Century:

Capitalism defeats Communism and ends the Cold War.

(I heard an anecdote that when a Russian leader came to visit America for the first time - and he saw a "super market" - he knew Russia had lost the Cold War. And don't forget - we did not start WWI or WWII - we just came in, kicked ass and then assisted in reconstruction.)

21st Century:

Democracy defeats Islamo-Facism.

(Can you imagine the message it will send to the world if a black man of humble beginnings is elected as the President of the United States - by igniting a grass roots movement that is capable of defeating the two most powerful political machines in the US - the Clinton Machine and the GOP...)

America does best when it leads by inspiration (with intimidation in the background instead of the foreground.)

ALERT! IMPORTANT!

TO ALL POSTERS:

I've been busy all day and not able to post except for my early A.M. comments.

I must tell you all that I DID NOT SAY CRAIG CALLED US LAB RATS ON IMUS.
Please, recheck my post this morning!! I merely asked the question--I asked
Craig, "Is it true you called us lab rats on Imus?" I did not listen to the show.
Someone on an earlier post yesterday wrote that Craig had called us
that. I was asking him if it was true.

I never realized what a hubbub I would cause by asking that question.

I adore Craig as anyone who has read my numerous posts will realize.
And further, I was half joking by asking the question, anyway.

I will be more careful in the future as to what I post, so everyone doesn't
get upset.

Sorry.

I apologize for posting that Craig called us 'lab rats'...I just figuratively used the term 'lab rats' because rats are frequently used as test subjects in laboratory experiments.
Craig already set me straight on this matter,and I will not impose my imagination in my posts from now on.
Craig said the blog is a laboratory showing which and how many Democrats may switch to McCain if their favorite Democrat is not the nominee. Not all Democrats are Yellow Dogs like Senor Horsedooty here, by a long shot.
Again, Mr Crawford did not call us "lab rats", I did.
He didn't call us Guinea pigs , either.
Mr. Crawford continues to be the most entertaining guest on Imus In The Morning, which I watch for three hours every week day on RFD, DirecTV 379, 6 to 9.

World in change: Chicago cops to carry M4 assault rifles, but they must choose: donuts, or permission to carry the assault weapons:

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/953842,CST-NWS-guns16good.article

The longer this continues, the more I am happy that I cancelled my DNC membership. Load off.
It was a very wise decission made three weeks ago.
It is also very clear that I will NOT vote for BO in November if he is the nominee, which I do not see happening.
Don't care if the people will crucify for saying this: But we survived 8 years of Bush, another 4 years will be bearable. I am not going out to vote for the man who screams change, but is a vulgar politician who used the race card under MY people and is (to say the least) nowhere on issues with regard to the fuckin economy!

HRC My Nominee

Good morning Jason! Good to see a friendly face.

But we survived 8 years of Bush, another 4 years will be bearable. I am not going out to vote for the man who screams change, but is a vulgar politician who used the race card under MY people and is (to say the least) nowhere on issues with regard to the fuckin economy! HRC My Nominee" Jason

Yes, Jason, I recently became an Independent too, and it felt good. And I don't see McCain as another 4 years of Bush. They're 2 very different people. HRC is my nominee too, and I would never, under any circumstances, be able to vote for Obama.