Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

good morning to all. Listening up on Bush's Knesset comments now; in a bubble yesterday and missed all the news.

Morning ....Craig, great video..

Nothing on Trail Mix is good news for Barack Obama. So what's new? When Barack is elected, Trail Mix will declare it a defeat.

OMG, Craig! Don't you ever want to be invited back to MoJo?

Why would they have Craig on MoJo....his view points are FAIR.

"I didn't leave the Democratic Party. It left me."
Posted by: prof marcia Author Profile Page | May 16, 2008 6:16

marcia, That's what Hillary said back in the 60's about the Republican Party.

And I agree with you. Things change.

Barack Obama: the new Great Redeemer
First it was Kennedy... now the US media are prostrating themselves before the saviour
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/gerard_baker/article3941450.ece

So, all MSM is playing off the same sheet of music.
Question, who is the conductor of this orchestrated attack against Mrs Clinton and the feminist movement?
Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | May 16, 2008 6:42 AM

Flatus, Who do you think is behind it?

Ellen's getting married.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080516/ap_en_tv/people_ellen_degeneres

This morning, before we left Gyeongju (YES!! we found family!) I had the privilege of telling my 16-year old grandniece why I support Mrs Clinton and why I believe her election is vitally important to women and girls in America.

I also pointed out to her that unlike the Philippines, where she has been doing high school, that Korea has never had a woman president either. So, I gave her the same spiel that I regularly present to her 16-yo cousin in South Carolina.

Sad news with the good. Stinky's two brothers and one of her two remaining sisters had died since we had last made contact. Nevertheless it was a joyous reunion and family raced in from across the country.

When we left for Seoul this morning there were tears in all our eyes.

what i think campaigns like those mean is that even if a conservative democrat wishes to distance himself or herself from obama, republicans of every stripe (except maybe delusional psychotic republicans) want to distance themselves from the failures of the bush/cheney administration, hence the democratic victories in the house recently.

Meg, I have to believe it's someone with a tremendous financial interest in the outcome. I don't know who and I don't know if they are betting on the success or the failure of an Obama administration.

I don't know who and I don't know if they are betting on the success or the failure of an Obama administration. Flatus

I take it that means you don't know if it's the Republicans or Democrats. It's obvious that whatever and whoever has grouped together behind Obama is huge. But the feminist movement attack just happens to be what they consider a weak spot. It could just as easily have been something else.

Flatus, by the way.
Congratulations on "mission accomplished"!

good morning gang.....

Craig.... interesting perspective...... but I suspect Childers' win has more to do with anti-Bush sentiment and the fact that Childers was a conservative enough Democrat to be acceptable to his district.....

Flatus..... sorry about the sad news for Stinky..... hope you're both having a great time anyways...... and thanks for taking the time to post to us.....

Excellent point Craig... the Mississippi Congressional candidate did nothing to defend Barack Obama. I have to say, I doubt Mississippi will matter to either Dem in the general, but the point that using Barack as an evil "liberal" dart board will start "defining" him in more negative ways could certainly hurt him. That said, it could be just as bad if Hillary was the perceived nominee.

Good Morning,

Meg, thanks for quoting me. Flatus, poignant post. Tan, I love your
one liner, "Why would they have Craig on MoJo.? He's fair." Great!
Have you noticed how CNN and MSNBC have virtually shut out
Hillary lately, like she's irrelevant? Charming media we have in this country.

Craig, the "Mississippi Mixed Blessing" video is really good.

Craig, someone said you were on Imus yesterday. Did you really say your bloggers were lab rats? What have you learned about Hillary supporters from us?

The thing is, I wasn’t pro-Hil’ry in the beginning. She has shown herself to be, in my eyes, the most capable candidate.

However, in the past month or so, when she refused to drop out, a really misogynistic vibe has appeared. (Go back to the kitchen, little lady, and let the men eat their dinner and discuss the important issues.)

I’m beginning to think that it IS important that the best candidate is also a woman. If the media continues to agitate in this manner, women could move toward Hil’ry in a way that I think the media (& maybe Hil’ry) had expected they would. Clinton could have a huge showing with WRITE-IN campaign.

PS – Craig, It’s eating posts, again.
PPS – Will there be any festivities for the 4th anniversary? The way we all snipe these days, methinks the honeymoon may be over.

"(YES!! we found family!)"

Flatus! That is such good news!!!!!!

Something has been bothering me for a long time about posters like Brian and Nash referring to Roe V. Wade, something I know they don't give a flip about in their normal daily lives.

It hit me squarely between the eyes this morning when I read through some trollish comments on a feminist site. This comment in particular:

A male Obama supporter wrote: "You go, no need for that pesky Roe V Wade, you can just learn to fall down stairs when you want to get rid of unwanted pregnancies, wooo"

And I realized that once again, some men are threatening women with the fact that they are the childbearers. Just read that comment. It makes my blood run cold. And it makes my blood boil.

Morning all... A+ for Craig today..

And did you hear the Freudian slip of BHO... or maybe programmed? He refers to himself as "Formal Liberal" Change Change everywhere the Change..... This maybe the start of the Change to ATTEMPT TO REDEFINE Himself from the fact the he is so far left.
This will not be allowed, spots do not change, they just get bleached or painted over but the liberal remains.

Who is BHO? I can not trust him... How can you?

Good Morning Peeps!

Perfect video Craig! I sent the link around. This is exactly what my Capitol Hillbilly friends have been talking about with the special elections in LA and Miss. How about the reactions of other down ticket candidates in the red states that Obama won? Will it be "Obama who? I don't even know the guy!"

(Thank you DNC! May I have another?)

Flatus...congratulations on your successful journey, even though you found heartache as well as joy...you made the journey and that's what is most important.

Patsi...here's a good, Obama-esque line to use on those sexist pigs in the ranks of his supporters:

"You are the one whose ass I have been waiting to kick."

Kind of has a nice ring to it, don't you think?

Craig...the videos keep getting better and better. Good production values, but still retaining that "homemade" feel. I think you're definitely pioneering a new form of political reporting.

Flatus, I join my fellow t-mixers and continue to wish you and fam the best.

Bush attacks Obama in Israel for wanting to talk to the Iran & Hamas, and Clinton denounces Bush.

Didn't Hillary make the same criticism of Obama during the debates?

Have a good day to all, as I depart to my evil capitalistic world as we work to keep and create jobs and benifits for others that want to work and contribute to our evil ways..... and others that want to join that this is the what America entitles you tooooooo......

Craig- my thought upon viewing the video was that no matter if the candidate was Obama, Clinton, Kerry or Gore- the ads would have been essentially the same, as would have been the denials and independence expressed by the candidate.

But agree with Renee- this is more about Bush than anything else and the damaged repub brand. AS I posted yesterday, my favorite fact was that the NRCC spent 20% of their entire budget on this race.

The repubs have no money, no influence, no issues, no momentum, and no voter turnout this year.

I also noticed that you said "democrat candidate"- and left off the "ic" - was that intentional?

Craig, someone said you were on Imus yesterday. Did you really say your bloggers were lab rats?

I like to think of it as more of a "control group".

Ping Pong...all true, I guess, unless you have a "pre-existing condition." Then America just lets you rot.
Have fun in the money pits.

""You are the one whose ass I have been waiting to kick."
Kind of has a nice ring to it, don't you think?"

ROFL! Excellent, as usual, Lard!

Well, regarding McCain's position on women's rights- one cannot dispute that the court had swung right under Bush- and younger justices too.

I do not see that bringing up Roe v. Wade and the side effects of its reversal- the reversal that McCain supports- is threatening women because they are child bearers as written above. If anything , it should be a wake up all to all "child bearers" to realize that this right is seriously at rick in another republican administration. And it does that matter if the person shouting the warning is a female or male.

Flatus

Stinky was so fortunate to find family though I'm sure saddened to have lost some before she got there for the reunion

Craig,

I think there will be a lot of R's becoming D's just to hang on to their majority benefits. We may see a reverse in direction of the old Dixiecrats turned Republicans now coming back from Dixie to Demoland. Nothing of their opinion will really change.

Meg...if we're going to have to put up with being called "lab rats" then we should demand that Craig start giving us food pellets when we ring the bell with a particularly good post. (Of course, I guess that also means he can administer a shock if we say something that makes the "bad post buzzer" go off).

Of course, I guess that also means he can administer a shock if we say something that makes the "bad post buzzer" go off).
Posted by: LardassLiberal

Maybe that's why the site went down yesterday!

Actually...in fairness to Craig, the way I heard it was that he called the blog "a laboratory of political opinion" or something like that. He didn't call us rats.

Maybe someone conflated Craig's description with whatever it was Imus said that was an insult.

Kathy -- the biggest risk to Roe V. Wage has been at the state level for YEARS. That's where they've been whittling away at pro-choice. Also, your pals at Kos and others like it have long been saying that it might be a good idea to "let up some" on pro-abortion ideas to get the right off their backs.

And you are wrong. It IS being used as a threat.

Patsi-
I have no idea why you are attacking me- about my "pals at Kos"- what does that mean? I never visit that site- probably 12 times total- ever.

I never said "threat"- I know for many women I know no matter who they supported in this primary or in 2000 or 2004, the concern about Roe is their top concern.

LaL & Meg
Maybe we're a new reality series called "The Guinea Pig Gong Show"

Wow! That came and went in less than 10 seconds. Did anyone else catch what Mika was just saying about the "Not So Fast" poster in connection with Clinton support? She raced through it so the image on the screen was practically subliminal.

I suppose this is the MSNBC idea of covering something positive about Clinton.

Are we up and running. Yesterday I think Craig's' spot on Imus caused the servers to go on the fritz.

the imus deal was that CC was judging the possibility of general democratic unity in november by the microcosm of bloggers on here who have said the most horrendous nasty things to each other.....will the wounds heal by november.........to paraphrase....if he did say "lab rats" that's not so far off the mark, now, is it?

LaL & Meg
Maybe we're a new reality series called "The Guinea Pig Gong Show" patd

Wonder how our ratings are doing?

Faced with the prospect of a McCain Presidency, whatever rancor has developed among Democrats over Obama vs Clinton will evaporate.

Kathy....I apologize then....but Kos -- and I use that as a catch-all for so many so-called progressive sites -- is where a lot of the concepts I see that are subtly sexist start out. Just re-read that quote I posted from the O-bot and you'll see the threat.

Obviously I'm concerned about Roe -- but as I said, the under-the-counter war being waged against it is almost a bigger problem. I also am not sure if the right will allow Roe to go down. Without it, they only have gay marriage in their bag of tricks.

Given the way the servers go down whenever the traffic goes up, it is a reminder that when there are too many rats in a cage they start dining on each other.

Boy, did I get excited early today. Sorry about all the spelling errors. nick

You don't actually think we meant anything negative about Craig do you? We were joking about ourselves, not him. We love Craig.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw

Given the way the servers go down whenever the traffic goes up, it is a reminder that when there are too many rats in a cage they start dining on each other.

Speaking of lol

The Obamabots in the media are a joke.

I CAN'T WAIT to vote against Obama this fall!

I tried posting this yesterday but I don't think it got through. If so, well some may have missed it. This article is from the current New Republic, written by Cinque Henderson, who happens to be one of those 10% Afro-Americans who aren't buying into the BHO's spoon feed pablum dish that is constantly being served-up by the BHO surrogates and the MSM; actually they are one in the same.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=331c77bb-9591-422c-aa2b-11a741c6ebb9

Jamie........but the rats which follow the big rats and make it into the smaller cages off the sides of the big cage manage to set up normal rat households, right?

blueindallas,

I too have been troubled by the significant increase of mysoginist under tone. What I find particularly unforgiveable is the fact that Howard Dean has never once spoken out about the slurs hurled at Hillary by the MSM during this primary. As a former First Lady ,two term Senator, and one of the Democratic candidates, it was the DNC's responsibility to defend her. Look how they rallied yesterday when W called BO and "appeaser".

As the DNC and surrogates for their hand picked establishment candidate strive to railroad Hillary out of the campaign, the not so subliminal message is astounding. The mere fact that BO has re-directed his efforts to the GE is appalling and dismissive to Hillary and millions of women. It's pretty obvious how substantially the DNC has supported BO vs Hillary.

She is not irrevelant especially after WV. His strutting and preening just adds to his arrogant persona. But we are smart and will find a way to reject this flawed candidate.

WRITE IN HILLARY IN NOV...

.but the rats which follow the big rats and make it into the smaller cages off the sides of the big cage manage to set up normal rat households, right?

yeah, but can you imagine how fast they multiply?
overcrowded again.

My recollection of Craig's comments on Imus were
that he considered his listers as a "laboratory" reflecting the contrasts between Clinton/Obama supporters & the way we go at each other. I did not
hear Craig call us "lab rats".

Also, Imus said he had read the list & I believe his
actual comment about all of us was that we are "losers", not "stupid".

Nick you need to stick around for happier times. We tease each other and we tease Craig. Some time in the future the spitting and clawing will stop. We may have to separate a few of the trailmixers with neutral bodies but this should go back to being the sunshine spot of political websites courtesy of the host from the Sunshine state that doesn't exist this year (sorry had to get that in)

Meg, well I did admit to overly excitedness. My bad.: nick

I respect your defending Craig, I would too. I'm sorry if my joking around offended you.

and, believe me, I don't want to buy anything Obama is selling.

Go Hillary!

I thought Imus was refering to bloogers in general not specifically Clisters. As I understood Craigs comment, that this blog was a borometer for the democratic party, which can give insight about the prospect for the party uniting after the convention.

My prediction: Not very likely.

My other observation: Tweety loves "Sweety"

(some of us reserve the right to be "stupid losers"........)
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.but the rats which follow the big rats and make it into the smaller cages off the sides of the big cage manage to set up normal rat households, right?

yeah, but can you imagine how fast they multiply?
overcrowded again.

many a rat has gotten the boot into the main cage.

to utilize Mark Twain:

MORAL.

If the reader thinks he is done, now, and that this book has no moral to it, he is in error. The moral of it is this: If you are of any account, stay at home and make your way by faithful diligence; but if you are "no account," go away from home, and then you will have to work, whether you want to or not. Thus you become a blessing to your friends by ceasing to be a nuisance to them—if the people you go among suffer by the operation.

Flatus,

As the others have already said, its wonderful that
you & your wife were able to find some family members
in Korea, thanks for keeping us updated.

When Imus calls someone a drunk or an addict, he quickly reminds us that his is a recovering addict/alcoholic. He uses that as his permission slip to demean people. Imus needs to take that procedure a step further when he calls anyone a loser.

News on the Kansas frontier. Local news are touting a possibility that Kathleen Sibelius is on the very short list for Vp for BHO. It had been rumored that she was going to be running for the Senate. But have not heard a thing about that. Another democrat named Slattery is running for senate. Not sure when her term is up as governor.

Julie

She is not irrevelant especially after WV. His strutting and preening just adds to his arrogant persona. But we are smart and will find a way to reject this flawed candidate. bowwow

Not only arrogant, but inappropriate.
And as far as Howard Dean not defending Hillary, I think he was behind the scenes, adding and supporting the defamation.

Long time lurker checks in: wow, you all discourage me tremendously.... What kind of people are willing to sacrifice the bigger issues - the war, health care, economic justice, social justice, the environment - over their own personal political investment? Both candidates are roads in the right direction - mine wins, yours loses, yours wins, mine loses....what's the difference against the Republican steamroller of destruction? Wake up - this isn't about you. This whole misogyny thing...it is becoming a classic propaganda play and a sad one, considering how serious sexism is really. Do you think if it went the other way that the Obama people would be crying racism? Just curious.

The anti Obama sentiment is growing....

Radio Talk Show Host Steve Corbett from Hillary’s home town in PA Has launch a mass campaign called OPERATION TURN DOWN letting the DNC know we will TURN DOWN OBAMA.. we Will NOT vote from him under Any
circumstance and he talks about their treatment of Sen Clinton. People called in from all over the states saying NO OBAMA. Hillary supporters now have a voice that will reach MILLIONS. Tomorrow OPERATION TURN DOWN continues at 3 p.m est this is going to grow MASSIVE Please call in and tune in tomorrow this is going to wake up the DNC and the superdelegates http://wilknetwork.com/

What kind of people are willing to sacrifice the bigger issues - the war, health care, economic justice, social justice, the environment - over their own personal political investment?
Posted by: TP from CT/NC

I'll give it some thought.

"Do you think if it went the other way that the Obama people
would be crying racism? "

Duh, they have.

"Do you think if it went the other way that the Obama people would be crying racism? Just curious."

TP

They already have frequently without basis in fact ... It has been one Obama talking head after another throwing that slime ball at the Sen. Clinton or her supporters since NC with repeats in virtually every primary since.

"Do you think if it went the other way that the Obama people would be crying racism? Just curious."

Yes.

Just saw this on

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/15/why-obama-cannot-win-but-hillary-can

General Election: One person. One private vote. No busloads of pushy college kids to overshout and bully people. Disabled people who can’t caucus get to vote. Elderly people who can’t caucus get to vote. People who work for a living during caucus shifts get to vote. People with small babies who couldn’t caucus get to vote. Every insulted person in America who had their vote decided by caucus before they got to know Obama will get to vote. Iowa will get that chance to revote now that they know Obama. Jews all get to vote. Hispanics all get to vote, even the ones in Florida. Michigan and Florida get to vote. Italians get to vote. Gays and lesbians get to vote. Those annoying old people get to vote. Pissed off women get to vote. Everybody gets to vote in a General Election. This is going to be ugly, Barry. Just plain ugly. I shall enjoy it.

It is the nature of democracy that we win some and we lose some....we don't actually get to steer the ship, we only get to put a hand on the wheel and hope the general course is toward open water.

So will I, Bowwow44. And sign me up for Operation turn Down.

Craig, did you call us or did you not call us guinea pigs on Imus?
It was prof marci in an earlier post that said you referred to us as "lab rats". Possibly, brother rats, we are suffering from an experimental drug-induced dream state here in our nation cage.

I think the ship may have flown into the mountain.

HRC is the only D candidate that can give JC a good run. Wonder if somewhere back in the deep recesses of her mind is she not considering running as a Independent? Not only would kill BHO's chances of ever sitting behind the desk in the Oval Office. If HRC went Independant, she just might draw enough tired and sick D's R's and I's to her side. I think she have a very good chance of winning the election. She have a much better chance winning the WH as an Indy, then BHO will have as the D's nominee.

It is the nature of democracy that we win some and we lose some....we don't actually get to steer the ship, we only get to put a hand on the wheel and hope the general course is toward open water.
Posted by: TP from CT/NC

yeah, but what if we see the ship going in the wrong direction. What if we don't think the guy that's about to be appointed Captain know's how to steer?

FD

Naturally she has the right to change her mind, but she has already said she will campaign for the "Party"

Nick , I've also heard it as:

"Either you stand for somethin' or get knocked down for nothin."

Craig,

Good videocast today. More thoughts later.

An article on the "sweetie" comment.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080516/COL02/805160301&GID=/BusdbS5w+ovhxGGU1WNzl45Ft3cVMM/YKdYJPyt9DY%3D

Wonder if somewhere back in the deep recesses of her mind is she not considering running as a Independent? FryDaddy

If only. And there are a lot of people that are fed up with both parties. We know where she stands on everything and have a good idea how she'd govern too. But Hillary is too loyal to do that. She won't.

Here is a link to the behavior cycle

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s71/jessied44/ObomaManiacBehaviorG.jpg

yeah, but what if we see the ship going in the wrong direction. What if we don't think the guy that's about to be appointed Captain know's how to steer?

The choice of captain will be a choice between McCain and the Dem....this discussion is about who that Dem is and my point is plain - you all are so invested personally in this contest that you are willing to vote for a continuation of the current administration policies rather than accept an Obama outcome if it should be so. That what worries me and many others like me. It is not a reaction to Obama, but to your own disappointment and frustration, as understandable as that may be.

BOWWOW44

Your post of 10:04 was right on the mark.

Does anyone really believe BHO would be in the position to be the D's presidential nominee if we knew earlier on what we know now about him? The D leadership needs to be reminded that the majority of their voters are women, and they should get over their guilt issues they have if they don't support BHO because he happens to be Black (half Black) that they will lose the Black vote, they won't lose the Black vote, and they need to nominate the best candidate which happens to be HRC. This is really a no-brainer. I told you all several weeks ago a big shoe was about to fall on BHO. I was wrong, instead of one big shoe, BHO will go down in defeat by a thousands little feet fleeing the D party. The run to the exits has just begun.

Anyone in California's 13th District, you have a traitor for a Congressman

The District voted overwhelmingly for Senator Clinton. Pete Stark has gone against the will of the voters and endorsed Sen. Obama.

Here is his contact page

http://www.house.gov/stark/contact/index.htm

The Republicans are attacking Obama. They realize the Democratic primary is over.

How long is it going to take for you Hillary people to figure this out?

It is not a reaction to Obama, but to your own disappointment and frustration, as understandable as that may be."

That's just not true for me. I don't trust the man. I don't like who he is or what he stands for, aside from Hillary. That's what the DNC is not getting. If Hillary were his vp then maybe, because I know she'd be there looking over his shoulder. Otherwise, there's no way I could help him get into the White House." TP from CT/NC

The disappointment and frustration is there. It would have been nice to see the playing field level. It would have been nice if the media hadn't had a love affair with Obama. It would be nice if they hadn't shoved him in our face while telling us how great he is 24/7. But that is no the driving force with me. I don't trust him.

Obama is dangerous - do the research!

I have never voted for a Repub - if not Hillary, then McCain.

How long is it going to take for you Hillary people to figure this out? " nash

Forgive us nash, we're slow. Bitter and slow.

Meg
In your considerations, take into account that the Congress will be overwhelmingly Democratic. Thus, should McCain become President, he will not have a blank check.
The current Congress, finally finding its feet, passed the farm bill (Bush had threatened a veto) with a veto-proof super-majority.
Just yesterday they sent to the President's desk an order to stop filling the SPRO (already 98% full). Although GWB had threatened a veto, he now states that he will accept the legislation.
Any judge, justice, or political appointee proposed by a President McCain will have to win the approval of a Democratic Senate.
In the six years of divided government under Pres Clinton, many good things were accomplished.
In the six years of unified government under President George Bush, many bad things came to pass.
Finally, John McCain has shown, throughout his Senate career, a willingness to cooperate with Democrats.

I might change my mind if Sen Obama were to choose a centrist supporter of Hillary as his VP (say Evan Bayh or Ed Rendell). If he selects someone as far left as himself, I am afraid that I'm going to vote Republican for the first time since 1976.

Obama is dangerous - do the research!
I have never voted for a Repub - if not Hillary, then McCain." Gordo

gordo, I couldn't have said it better myself.

Craig is right that there are signs that many Hillary supporters will not vote for Obama. We can see evidence of that here at Crawfordslist.

But that's OK. The vast majority of rational members of the Democratic party, plus independents, plus defecting Republicans, plus all the new voters Obama has brought into the process, will be enough to take Obama to victory in the general election.

Those sourgrapes, die-hard Hillary supporters who don't vote, or write in Hillary, or vote for McCain are irrelevant.

Meg: I agree with you.
Some people seem to think that this is about winning and losing. Or even about current issues and problems.
But it's actually about who we will choose to have in charge when the next unexpected problem or crisis occurs.
As my old poli sci prof said ... "don't vote on the issues ... they change. Go with your gut...vote for the person you trust."

Nash

If by some miracle Sen Clinton were to run as an Independent, I would vote for her. If she is on the Dem Ticket, I will vote for her (not him). I will do a write in vote for her if neither of those conditions exist, and unlike the last 30 + years not one dime or one minute will go to the Democratic Party.

It is no longer a matter of Sen. Obama or Sen. Clinton. It is now a matter of principle because of the total betrayal of the democratic system and abuse of power by both the party and the media

Don't count on it ,nash. There are too many of us for you, Obama, and the DNC to "make up" for. And keep insulting us....it's good for increasing our numbers.

nash: You may turn out to be right. On the other hand, the current electoral college map, based on polling data, demonstrates that McCain is ahead in electoral votes and the only "new" state in which Sen Obama has a lead is Colorado.
Bear in mind that the people who vote in primaries are only a small percentage of the electorate (still smaller in caucus states).

"and they need to nominate the best candidate which happens to be HRC."- FryDaddy

FD,
I thought you were a rightie!, did I miss something, like a conversion.?

Jamie,

"Naturally she has the right to change her mind, but she has already said she will campaign for the "Party"

How many times is the D leadership going keep shoving that knife in her back, before she tells them to go stick it, I'm running as a Indy. HRC, who you know I am not going to vote for but I do love her moxie, is being made to look like a fool in-front of the whole world by the very party she has devoted much of her adult to. BHO on the other hand is being given a, "go to the head of the line pass", based on what? Surly not on experience or life accomplishments.

John McCain has shown, throughout his Senate career, a willingness to cooperate with Democrats. maggisd

maggi, all good points, and ones I agree with. And John McCain has actually been talking about when the war will end, which is important to me.

Tell me, if the Powers that be already had chosen a nominee, which I'm sure they had, why did they even bother with all of this? So many things were obviously decided by a select few in advance, and I can never trust a part that did what they have done. When I was a kid, the Democrats were the party for the "working class", standing up for our rights. And then I have to live long enough to hear this guys campaign say they've got a new coalition and can win without the "working class". If that's true, then it's not the party that I thought it was. Or maybe it's just not any more.

nash opined:

But that's OK. The vast majority of rational members of the Democratic party, plus independents, plus defecting Republicans, plus all the new voters Obama has brought into the process, will be enough to take Obama to victory in the general election.

where have I heard that before......hmmm.....oh yes, it was in ' 68, '72, ' 80, ' 84, ' 88, ' 00, and '04........

"It is no longer a matter of Sen. Obama or Sen. Clinton. It is now a matter of principle because of the total betrayal of the democratic system and abuse of power by both the party and the media"

Well said, Jamie. I couldn't agree with you more. The party needs to learn a lesson. It has gone way too far in the wrong direction. And the media needs to realize that they should stop trying to influence elections and stick to reporting the news.

I'm running as a Indy. HRC, who you know I am not going to vote for but I do love her moxie, is being made to look like a fool in-front of the whole world by the very party she has devoted much of her adult to. Frydaddy

Frydaddy, that is the part that hurts so much. I have never felt so frustrated or disillusioned that I can remember. My respect for Hillary has grown so much the last few months, and to see them sticking that knife in over and over, anytime she gets back up has been very, very painful. And the one holding that knife-I see it as obama.

FD: Republicans hate government. Democrats hate politicians. Any candidate who can successfully portray his opponent as too political has an automatic advantage. Add to that the fact that, since Adlai Stevenson, no Democrat has ever been given a second chance.
What is ironic (Nash, take note of word usage) is that Sen Obama is clearly just another politician, if we are to look at his record, such as it is.

tp for ct/nc

I would not characterize raising awareness and education as propaganda. The issue of sexism in American life is very serious to this generation and those to follow. Marie Cocco wrote an article in WP a few days ago.. here it is
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/14/AR2008051403090.html

The issues: the War, health care..are of great concern to me.. that is why I will vote down ticket to ensure a veto proof Democratic Congress

This coronation of BO has been about revenge and power at the expense of a woman that I cannot accept on principle. Hillary is the better candidate. If she were not, then all rational women would comprehend and get behind the Democrat to win the WH. It is not about her because she is a women .. Al Gore was my first choice... it is about her being demeaned as a woman to destroy her as a candidate.

The rivalry for political power between white women and black men has a long history. After the Civil War, Black men could vote, even in the south, while white women had to wait until 1920.

“Taking their fight from state to state, victory for suffragists became based upon a practical achievement of franchise rather than upon abstract and easily sacrificed conceptions of equality. Exemplified by the 1867 Kansas election, feminists turned away from their egalitarian roots and strategically allied themselves with the prejudiced Democratic Party. As illustrated by efforts at women's suffrage in the American South, this political necessity became less strategic and more a fundamental and racist principle of the movement.” http://www.dominican.edu/query/ncur/display_ncur.php?id=660

"It is no longer a matter of Sen. Obama or Sen. Clinton. It is now a matter of principle because of the total betrayal of the democratic system and abuse of power by both the party and the media"
"Well said, Jamie. I couldn't agree with you more. The party needs to learn a lesson. It has gone way too far in the wrong direction. And the media needs to realize that they should stop trying to influence elections and stick to reporting the news."

YES, YES and YES.

Not only are they stinking a dull knife in Hillary, they have BUTCHERED Bill with the same dull knife. It's deplorable and unforgivable.

Not only are they stinking a dull knife in Hillary, they have BUTCHERED Bill with the same dull knife" nannymm

over and over again.
They took the only successful Democratic President we've had in many a year, and trashed him. Obama personally trashed him and his successes over and over and rewarded him by calling him a bigot. He said the Reagan Republican Administration was better than Bill Clinton. The most beloved Democrated President alive today. And Obama trashes him for political gain.

nash: As to your comment about voting rights. In fact, free black men have been able to vote in this country from the beginning, under the same conditions as free white men.
True, the percentage of free blacks was never more than about 11-12% of the total black population. Also true that one or two states in the years between 1830 and 1860 took the franchise away from free blacks... most states did not.
However, this is all just of historical interest. The average female voter is likely not only unaware of this information (it is not even taught in Women's Studies courses), but is not basing her vote on conditions that existed so long ago.
Heck, most young women don't even get that a mere 30 years ago women still couldn't own individual property in some states, couldn't get credit in their own names, couldn't have their income counted toward joint family purchases and on and on.

Meg: I continue to have a sneaking suspicion that Obama said what he did about President Clinton because he knew it would anger him, and knew the media would be trailing Clinton to listen to the tenor of his rhetoric. Not bad enough to say that Reagan was transformative and Clinton was not, but he also said, just as Nixon was not. Good grief! If this had been the 1800s there would have been a duel over this type of remark (to paraphrase Zell Miller).

Nash

Put a sock in it. The initial Suffragette movement was an integral part of the abolition of slavery in both Britain and the U.S.

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/british/brit-4.html
http://www.allbusiness.com/population-demographics/demographic-groups/6249548-1.html

Young, educated women have no problem with Obama. Older, less educated women are angry that this young black man did not "wait his turn." The fact that a black man will be a presidential nominee before a white woman infuriates them, and much of the animosity is due to latent racism. The Clintons understood this and used it.

You see them posting here at Crawfordslist, every day. The extremely vile denunciations of Hillary's rival would not be happening if he were a white man. (And of course, they deny this.)

It make my blood boil when I think of how Obama and the AA community has turned on Bill and Hillary. How anyone can call either of them "racist" with a straight face is beyond me. But they did it to ensure an Obama win in South Carolina. If that is the new "post racial" politics that Obama represents, I want no part of it. I would love to see Hillary run an Indy campaign and both hubby and I would work our hearts out for her. And if Bill decides to move his offices out of Harlem. we'll both volunteer for the moving crew.

Maybe Obama is right and on Tuesday it will be all over. FL and & MI won't matter. The media will get their wish. Their ratings will tank for a few months too. Good luck in Fl and MI in November.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/16/little-interest-shown-in-clintons-call-to-seat-disputed-delegates/

Oh and the first woman to run for President had a black man as her VP candidate

Victoria Woodhull and Frederick Douglas of the Equal Rights Party

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/268950/victoria_woodhull_for_president.html

"I would not characterize raising awareness and education as propaganda..This coronation of BO has been about revenge and power at the expense of a woman...Hillary is the better candidate." Bowwow

This is not propaganda because we all saw it first hand with our own eyes. It's not something we heard or were fed. The only propaganda was the love affair that the media had with Obama. What a bunch of dummies they think we are. The poor dumb middle class Americans, they'll believe whatever we tell them. (We heard it on tv, it must be true?) Well, guess what, those uneducated, bitter middle class are the only ones who got it. The rest went along with what the so called 'elitist" were feeding us. The people that are looking through reality, know a phony when we see one. We know when we're being offered a fabrication of what they think we want.

Wait for the roll call vote in Denver - that's when the Dems have a nominee. If Larry Johnson is correct, the MO tape will be the end of Obama. If the tape exists, it's almost a certainty that the Clinton campaign has a copy. The info probably did not come from three sources close to senior Republicans. Why would they talk about this now? This could be what Harold Ickes has been referring to lately.

Rezdog,

I am a Rightie, but what is going on over in the D party is nothing but lunacy, and I'll bet you right now if BHO is the nominee, McCain will take 48 states. If HRC is the D nominee, that race is to close to call, and I really do believe she could win.

I was telling my wife yesterday there is something, other than his ridiculous policies that is bothering about BHO, and I figured it out. BHO has a ting of street in his personality which comes to the surface every now and then. It has to do with his gestures, the way he carries himself, and his unguarded speech. There is something very odd about why BHO is never pressured to provide answers. He makes apologies, like yesterday for calling that female reporter sweetie but that was after the fact, but he never answered her question.

Like all politicians he likes to make promise, but when pressured to explain how he is going to pay to implement these programs, he never explains. He changes his own policies in mid-stream and never is questioned about them. In the last debate with HRC. BHO said he wasn't going to raise taxes on anyone making under $75,000. HRC said she wasn't going to raise taxes on anyone making under $250K. By the end of that segment of the debate on taxes, right before the commercial break, BHO when asked by Charlie Gibson if he would pledge not to raise taxes on anyone making under $250K, BHO agreed he wouldn't raise taxes on anyone making $250K. When did he change his mind?

"That what worries me and many others like me. It is not a reaction to Obama, but to your own disappointment and frustration, as understandable as that may be."

Translation: You women and stupid blue collar workers shape up!

I know it's hard to vote for someone you don't care for but don't forget about who is going to be put on the Supremcourt!

Morning Peeps,
Come on Craig, repugs demonizing Democrats, nothing new in that. The fact that it didn't work in one of the most conservative districts in the country is very hopeful for Dem prospects come Nov. Fasten your seatbelts a landslide is coming.

And yes Patsi I care a great deal about Roe v. Wade. My only regret it hadn't happened about 30 years earlier.

Maggisd: I was talking about national elections. Women could vote in many states before 1920 (as could black men).

Jamie: After the Civil War SOME suffragists embraced racism as a strategy. It was an issue of contention in the suffragist movement.

The interests of women and blacks seeking greater political rights and power sometimes come into conflict, and I think this is one of those times.

It make my blood boil when I think of how Obama and the AA community has turned on Bill and Hillary. How anyone can call either of them "racist" with a straight face is beyond me." nannymm

That must have broken their hearts. They have spent their entire adult lives loving and supporting minorities. I can't even imagine how this must have felt to them. It wouldn't have been so bad, if they hadn't been accused of the most horrible things and then slandered across the Nation. They didn't need to call them racists. He would have had the AA vote anyway.

nash: In the very short time I have been posting here, it has been my observation that most of the "vile attacks" have come from Obama supporters rather than the observe. Not all criticisms are attacks, not all disagreements are vile.
As to age and education -- they are two separate things. I am older, but fairly well educated. Younger women do not find as much evidence of sexism in the Obama campaign as do older women because their life experience is different than ours, thank goodness.
But some of us old broads have a different reaction when we hear our preferred candidate's experience characterized as having tea parties with the ambassador, or Zbig Brezenski comparing her to Mamie Eisenhower, or saying she is "likable enough" or accusing her supporters of racism.
FYI: I voted for Tom Bradley for Mayor of Los Angeles and for Governor of California and I voted for the Rev Jesse Jackson in both 84 and 88. I would vote for Harold Ford Jr in a heartbeat, or for Mayor Corey Booker of Newark.

Meg and nannymm

I AGREE!!!!

If I could talk to Dean...I 'd say, "Howard, sweetie, what genius decided that Bill Clinton was a liability??"

Al Gore made that mistake in 2000. It gets back to power and revenge. Those are the blinders that make the Dems play the same movie over ..and over... and over. A far left elite cannot win!! The country is in the center.

We need CHANGE alright.. a change in the playbook. I really think Dean tried to do that ..then Kennedy got his ear. The same Kennedy responsible for the first two yrs of Clintons congressional agenda from 1992 -1994. and we all know what happened in 1994.. a massive loss by Democrats.. then Kennedy blamed Bill. HUH?

i can't watch this movie again.. write in Hillary

Excuse me, nash!! Many of us women are far from uneducated or even "less eduacted." Personally, I have an MS in Nursing and an MA in Psychology. I know that Jamie, Patsi, and MANY of the other women here are also well educated. Futhermore, having the benefit of an advanced degree does not make one superior or make one's opinions and ideas more valid. It does not take a degree to be able to understand what is important and to make a well informed and well considered decision about who to support. I think you owe all women an appology.

"Those sourgrapes, die-hard Hillary supporters who don't vote, or write in Hillary, or vote for McCain are irrelevant. "

Would you be racist enough to level that charge at the AA community who WOULD not support Hillary if she is the nominee?

Young, educated women have no problem with Obama. "

nash, like I said before, we're slow and bitter. And let me add uneducated and stupid. Leave it to Obama to point that out to us. Thanks

I think the Republicans were ready to use misogyny or racism depending on who won the Dem primary.

I do not think that Obama played the gender card, but some of Hillary's supporters think he did. (Based on what evidence, I would ask).

But the Clintons and their surrogates did play the race card. There's plenty of evidence of that.

Hey Maggisd,

Are you one of the faithful?
A supporter of divided government?

In your 10:42 post, I couldn't have said it better.

What many people are forgetting. People with no party affiliation out number either Rep. or Dem.

There has been a lot of party switching in the last 20 years.
I've been one of them.
Leaving a party the first time is a bit of a leap of faith. But after one breaks that strong tie one never forms as strong a tie with its replacement.
I've became very agnostic with my politics.

I believe it may very well be a good year for Democrats across the south.
Obama will help them by bringing a huge AA turn out.
They can run as very conservate Southerners and get the POed white vote.
The AAs have no other party to vote for in the south.
But don't look for the POed whites to vote for Obama
Not gonna happen

Hey
It's the best of both worlds for the divided government movement.

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

It's sad that after 15 months people still don't know what Obama is all about but he's going to be the Dem nominee. What is wrong with this picture. In the next few months are we going to find this out by watching the Rep attack machine go after him. Not a pretty site. It will be interesting to see what McCain does when those attack ads start airing. Wii he support them or denounce them.

Oh, wow....it's really a steady stream here, isn't it? I respect your rights to hold strongly to the position. That's about as far as this conversation can go and still be a conversation.

But Bill??? Bill Clinton is now a hero of anti-sexism??? He was butchered by a sharp knife - his own and he took a good piece of the Democratic Party down with him.

"Leave it to Obama to point that out to us."

Meg you seem to be doing a pretty good job of that all on your own. Just except it, you were out classed. Obama ran a better campaign and won.

Not sure when the D party started to turn down their noses at it's bread and butter voters, middle class workers, in favor for the wine and cheese crowd. This part of the D party is starting to resemble the Rockefeller Rs. This is a major miscalculation on the D leaderships part, one that they will deeply regret.

Off to lunch.

vadaryl--Try to keep in mind that the Senate has to approve Supreme Court nominees. And the Democrats, along with the remaining three moderates will be able to block anyone seen to be too far right, no matter what.
McCain is a practical man, however, and I have little doubt he will work with the Senate over judicial appointments, should he be elected.
The thing to watch for is who he chooses to be his running mate.

Nash

Go back to history class

"Women could vote in many states before 1920 (as could black men)."

No woman could vote for President prior to 1920. A few Western states allowed women to vote in state wide elections and one (count em one) allowed women to vote for Congress. The first Congresswoman was Jannette Rankin, Republican of Montana elected in 1916 ... long after black men were allowed to vote.

http://womenshistory.about.com/library/bio/blbio_jeannette_rankin.htm

": I continue to have a sneaking suspicion that Obama said what he did about President Clinton because he knew it would anger him, and knew the media would be trailing Clinton to listen to the tenor of his rhetoric."

I absolutely agree.

maggisd: Look at comments made by Obama's campaign and his surrogates, people whose endorsement he has accepted and/or shared a stage with. I have not heard misogynist comments from them. Yes, there are lots of sexist clowns in the Democratic party, but I think Obama has tried to avoid them.

But Hillary & her surrogates, including Bill, have made a series of statements designed to use race as a wedge. Her recent "my base is hard-working white people" comment is a perfect example.

FryDaddy,

I wouldn't be supporting someone I thought couldn't win in Nov. If you are a conservative interested in winning, you would want the dems to nominate the least likely of candidates. So I don't buy your sentiments.

As far as party lunacy goes, the Repugs are in much greater abundance in that department, notwithstanding McCain. He's the head loon!

Like many folks, what you see in Obama is that he's tall.

"Now if these folks were voting on the basis of policy and just pure politics it would be one thing. But quite a few of them have been willing to admit that they will not vote for the "O" man because... he is.....well...you know, tall.- W. Bennett on WV voters.

Vote you pleasure FD.

For the Obama groupies:

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c105/007access/OBAMA/O-idiots.gif

An Ohio-based group of Democratic Hillary Clinton supporters say they’ll work actively against Sen. Barack Obama if he becomes the nominee, arguing that Clinton has been the subject of “intense sexism” by party leaders and the media.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Clinton_backer_backlash.html

"But the Clintons and their surrogates did play the race card. There's plenty of evidence of that."

Baloney!!! The Media and the Obamabots used half sentences and twisted syntax to "Prove" there was racism that didn't exist. It was like that unnecessary bleeping gag. Make it look like racism and then call it racism and then accuse anyone who gives the real quote or context of being a racist.

But some of us old broads have a different reaction when we hear our preferred candidate's experience characterized as having tea parties with the ambassador" maggisd

Zbig Brezenski also said his travel agent had been to more countries than Hillary. And Chris Mathews said she'd never even made it as New York Senator if her husband hadn't messed around on her (and therefore got the pity vote), a pundit on MoJo said she reminded men or their first wife in probate court, Tucker Carson said she has no character, jack cafferty called her every name in the book, Obama said "she'd do anything to win this election", Obama called her "Annie Oakley" and said she fit right in with the horrible republicans after that last horrible debate where he embarrassingly failed, and the list goes on.

Did anyone see the clip on youtube where he was saying her name the day after the debate and scratched his face in what looked like he was flipping her off, right before he imitated one of his fav rap singers by brushing his shoulders? Oh boy, a "cool" President. That's what i want.

McCain would be a disaster for women's rights, across the board.

Thus, anyone whose animosity towards Obama is greater than their desire to defeat McCain, must be motivated by something other than feminism.

My grandmother used to say that it was a mortal sin to call someone a "fool" and that we'd go to hell for doing it.

I'm gonna take that chance: Nash, you are a fool.

Ladies,

You needn't explain yourselves to people like Nash. All you are doing is feeding into his ego. Nash believes he is one of the enlighten educated wine and cheese crowd, he is so well educated that your thought are no more than the dust bunnies which collect un