Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Good morning, and here's to a big victory today in my neighbor-state, Kentucky!

Good Morning,

Patsi , ya beat me girl. Just remains to see how big a win Kentucky will be for Hillary. And how big Obama
Loss will be , which he thinks will be a huge win. Let's hope it comes to a tie.

Like Hillary said, he does not have the required number of delegate for the nomination. CNN said yesterday he needed over 100. Not likely to get that many today.. Does the man think arrogance is going to win him the nomination?

Julie

harbor -- I found your book and ordered a copy. Isn't having amazon great?

Good Morning-

I'm excited about the big Kentucky victory today and I'll also be watching Oregon closely--just heard on MoJo that it's a lot tighter than they expected. One poll has Obama up by only 4 points.

A chart of the college delegates done by Karl Rove, shows Hillary takes 5 more states than Obama and McCain beats Obama, also. I believe I saw this on No quarter or politico.

Of course McCain is drawing the Blue Collar vote, that Obama cannot seem to get, in polls done with the general election question.

Julie

Morning! Looking forward to election results today!

Craig,

Now that we’ve had our “Summer of love Day”, maybe we
can have a “Who’s the mole Day” (as in professional posters)??. And I mean this in a good way.

I’ve been thinking about how we listen to MSNBC and others on TV and radio everyday, bombarding us with slanted information that’s designed to influence how we think and to manipulate our decision making. The part that bothers me is there is usually no disclaimer, admitting they represent one side or the other. Influence peddling, in disguise, I realize is inevitable, but it still seems wrong to offer it under the guise of friendliness, honesty, sincerity and spontaneity.

In the blogosphere, propaganda is all the more difficult to detect. This, for me, is partly because I am new at this. There’s obviously nothing that can or should be done to stop this, but it can be fun to try to figure out who these interlopers are.

From what I gather, many of us agree at this point that they’re here. And as has been pointed out recently, they’ve probably been at this site for a while (Craig's a popular guy!)

I hope Craig, you don’t consider this kind of talk “trouble making” or inflammatory on my part. To me it’s just fun. And I also strongly believe complete “awareness” is important. and beneficial.

Thanks for hearing me out. Meg

Hi all my Hill-buddies,

I'm excited to finally be able to see Hillary again tomorrow, since the press
has pretty much blacked out any decent coverage of her.

I'm looking forward to one of Hillary's rousing speeches after her Kentucky
win.

I'm already bracing myself for the 24/7 media Obama-Oregon-win-spin downplaying Hillary's victory and announcing Obama is the Dem nominee.

Of course, MSNBC and CNN will portray Hillary's probable double digit win in Kentucky as really a loss because "Hillary can't win. . ." Blah, blah.

Looks like the Hillary folks are up early and feisty today.

As soon as the Obama posse joins the party, our excitement will
be deflated somewhat. I won't mention any names.

Does the man think arrogance is going to win him the nomination? Posted by: Julie Young 73

Julie, it's worked so far.

I used to feel, before I found this site, that I was the only one that noticed how arrogant he is. Then he opened his mouth in San Francisco and made it obvious to everyone.

Patsi & Prof marcia

Is it still cold in Ky/Tn? I turned on tv late afternoon yesterday and CNN reporter was bundled up to her chin like it was really cold. Ks now getting to 80's during day. Almost daybreak here and must water flowers and start my painting outside while cool. Have great day.

Julie

As soon as the Obama posse joins the party, our excitement willbe deflated somewhat. Posted by: prof marcia

Marcia, deflated somewhat?
I'll crash to the ground for the day. But it will be nice to see Hillary's win in beautiful Kentucky today (at least I'm told it's beautiful). And I'm still hoping for an upset in Oregon. That's the only thing that will get the media's attention.

Meg,

I just do not get it that he can announce himself the assumed nominee when he does not have the required # of delegates, according to CNN.. And if they allow next week, MI and Fla, the number will go probably to 2210 instead of 2026. In that case, neither one can come up to 2210.. there were only couple hundred delegates left couple of weeks ago.
Does he want it bad enough to just bully her out of the way and try to take the lead? I just do not see it.

julie

Of course, MSNBC and CNN will portray Hillary's probable double digit win in Kentucky as really a loss because "Hillary can't win. . ." Blah, blah. Posted by: prof marcia

Isn't it unbelievable, they can't allow us to enjoy her wins without telling us how meaningless and hopeless it is.
I can hardly turn on the tv anymore. It's too depressing.

Does he want it bad enough to just bully her out of the way and try to take the lead? Posted by: Julie Young 73

Julie, i read yesterday that he will temper down that nominee speech a little (on Politico, I think). But yes, he and his campaign are bullies.

I can't help but think that Howard Dean and MANY others are all in on this. It's all been well planned and now they're in such a hurry to finish things up, that they don't seem to be able to control themselves.

But our girl just keeps hangin' in there. Hillary is my hero.

Julie -- It's been beautiful here in Tennessee lately. Sounds like Kansas is having a good spring as well! You are probably in the eastern part....where it's a lot MORE beautiful than my hometown in the Southwest corner! Wind and tumbleweeds!

Big day today, Hillary's very last chance to ever overtake Obama in the pledged delegate count is going to evaporate like all her other firewalls have. Quite amazing the woman who ran as inevitable never had a lead in the lead in the pledged delegate count and never will. What a loser she is.

Craig you channeling Gordo today?

"What a loser she is. "

You'd cut off a badly tattooed leg to be such a "loser."

Julie,

Just wanted to let you know, I don't live in KY or TN. I live in California which
has been 95 all week, like summer. But, my heart will be in Ky tomorrow.

Meg,
Yes. It is unbelievable that the media ruins any celebration Hillary supporters
can have by announcing how unimportant and HOLLOW each Hill victory is.

One thing I have learned from this primary season is how wretched the media
is in this country. It's scary to find out how completely false so much of the
news we receive is. I used to think I could trust CNN or MSNBC but now I know I cannot. I feel beyond disillusioned.

Loser!

Quite amazing the woman who ran as inevitable never had a lead in the lead in the pledged delegate count and never will. What a loser she is. Posted by: BrianInNYC

Brian,
I am curious as to why you hate Hillary so much. I have not been here for long, and I may have missed the reason long ago. I've seen the hate, and I suddenly find myself wondering why.

I'd like to hear the real reason, and not just a list of things that have grown to annoy you about her. I'd like to know where this hate started. I already know where it's ended.

Hey Billary fans, don't be too glum, because of the time zone difference you'll have about two hours to enjoy the KY victory, because after the Oregon numbers come in no one will care about KY anymore.

*snickers at the losers*

*snickers at the losers* Posted by: BrianInNYC

Didn't get any sleep last night Brian?

I take back my last question. It's not Hillary you hate so much as those of us who support her.

Good morning to you too!

barack seems to think that whining and hollow threats are going to have some effect on the gop attacks upon michelle, (who, with her remarks, has placed herself on the political stage).........this avoids the dukakis label how, exactly?

rotsa ruck.

Posted by: sturgeone | May 20, 2008 5:31 AM

I'd explain it to you sturg, but since your post has such an obnoxious tone to it I'm not going to waste my time.

Posted by: BrianInNYC | May 20, 2008 6:54 AM

Gosh.......now I'll NEVER understand.......

I'd explain it to you sturg, but since your post has such an obnoxious tone to it I'm not going to waste my time.

Posted by: BrianInNYC | May 20, 2008 6:54 AM

Gosh.......now I'll NEVER understand.......
Posted by: sturgeone

Is Brian possessed this morning?

Or is this just one of his schizophrenic personalities that I have not been around long enough to observe.

Loser, Brian?

Today, I'd much rather take 'loser's' share of the kitty than Mr Obama's.

Matter of fact, she may be a loser to you, but to most of us she has the guts to make her a true winner when the history of this highly manipulated travesty is sorted out.

Loser, my butt.

"the woman who ran as inevitable" posted by Brian

This was once again a phrase the media made up about Hillary to feed the anti-Clinton hated they created. It worked well, since not one media source gave unbiased coverage of the campaign, many voters bought it.
But, half the Democrats weren't swayed by Obama madness and voted for Hillary anyway.

One thing I have learned from this primary season is how wretched the media is in this country. It's scary to find out how completely false so much of the news we receive is. I used to think I could trust CNN or MSNBC but now I know I cannot. I feel beyond disillusioned." Posted by: prof marcia

Marcia, you just articulated exactly how I feel. thanks
This site is so therapeutic.

Meg quite a few reasons, but the two most important

Her war vote
Her co-sponsorship of flag burning amendment

Her co-sponsorship of the flag burning amendment was a disgrace, and demonstrated to me that her ambition was far more important than any principles she might have once had. Every vote she made in the senate was not based on what was the right thing to do, but how it would serve in her ambition for the white house. The woman's word means nothing as is clearly demonstrated in her flip-flop attitude about the primaries in both MI and FL. She signed a pledge and when it became clear that she couldn't win by the rules that all had agreed to her she did an about face and said fuck the rules.

Matter of fact, she may be a loser to you, but to most of us she has the guts to make her a true winner when the history of this highly manipulated travesty is sorted out.

Loser, my butt. Posted by: Flatus

Flatus, you just articulated exactly how I feel too.
You guys are my rock. thank you

So , the San Antonio Spurs advanced last night? To give you an idea of how much I hate the Spurs , I'd rather watch Obama win the 2008 Presidential election than watch the Spurs win another NBA title. Go Lakers! Go Pistons! Go Red Wings!

Meg quite a few reasons, but the two most important
Her war vote
Her co-sponsorship of flag burning amendment
Posted by: BrianInNYC

Now we're getting somewhere.
Thank You.

Now, maybe you can explain why you hate us so much, those that do not agree with you, that is. And if you can explain it as clearly as you explain your hate for Hillary, I will feel much more enlightened.

I'm not much for conspiracy theories in the usual sense of some malevolent eventual outcome planned by some cabal, but the Chicago Tribune article Craig posted has a key line that seems applicable about Ayers, and that is the old "It's not what you know but who you know". This spoiled, violent, and dangerous scion of a prominant family gets his crimes sort of forgiven in exchange for coming back into the philanthropic family mold.

The average person without those connections would probably still be rotting in a jail cell. When you think of our political elite such as the Kennedy and Bush families with their various crimes, misadventures, and pecadillos, many of which we tend to find humorous, this ruling class becomes insideous.

It seems that Sen. Obama has learned the lesson well about who needs to have their shoulders rubbed in exchange for influence. Certainly we know that the Clintons have had their share of alliances with movers and shakers.

That means the big question becomes, "Whose motives do you trust most?" How much is being done for personal gain, power and influence, and how much is being done to accomplish desired goals within the limits of not violating the strangle hold of those who hold this ultimate power?

brian,

You never answered my question.

How many lives did you damage in your proud, boastful years as a drug dealer?

I've got another one, too.

Since you throw the word "loser" around more than a schoolyard full of not so clever six year old boys --

And since you actually are NOT Barack Obama and have done nothing to claim any part in HIS victory other than send some bucks, vote and rub your ass on this website like it was a piece of toilet paper --

What -- if anything -- makes you a winner?

What makes you use the world as your toilet and Barack Obama's status to make yourself feel so, well, flush?

You seem very frightened of losing -- like it was a vortex that has drawn you in and possibly down to the bottom repeatedly...

And that you have been pretty desperate to declare not what is good or what is best and not just victory --

But beating others down and calling them looooooosers?

Is that your life's accomplishment?

Because, you know, diminishing others to elevate yourself AND laying claim to all sorts of grandeur that ain't your own accomplishment...

And never looking critically at either who you support (lots of Obama and Hillary supporters do that -- just not you) or at yourself...

Well, that's all part of the narcissism tango.

I don't think it's cool to burn the flag. Of course , I don't think I should have to show my ID when buying cold medicine , either. Damn meth labs!

she did an about face and said fuck the rules.
Posted by: BrianInNYC

Haven't you ever said "fuck the rules" Brian.
You should try it sometime. It feels great. It's so liberating.
I didn't realize that perfection was our goal.

Correction, I meant to say "flag burning bill" not amendment.

Sulu from Star Trek is getting married. I guess California is the place to be now.

Perfection is not the goal Meg, politicians who keep their word is.

Getting back to Craig's subject this morning-Bill Ayers-it will be interesting to see how the media plays this. As much as they're in the tank for Obama, they love John McCain. I think we'll be hearing a lot more about Mr. Ayers. Perception is everything in politics and I think this will hurt Obama in mainstream America.

brian,

"Pot is not a drug!"

Right. You fuck neither the rules...

Nor reality.

Correction, I meant to say "flag burning bill" not amendment.
Posted by: BrianInNYC

Don't worry Brian,
We got your point. Loud and clear.
It must have killed you to write that positive piece about Hillary
Sunday.

Meg, he DID do a nice job on that and so gracefully, too.

flatus,

Grace is based in sincerity.

the most important thing in show business is sincerity----once you can fake that you got it made.

---george burns

Did kill me at all Meg. I'm able to see someone in their entirety. Didn't need to rewrite it either, the entire exercise took about 10 minutes. I think the woman is ethically challenged and therefore unfit for the oval office.

Getting back to Craig's subject this morning-Bill Ayers-it will be interesting to see how the media plays this. As much as they're in the tank for Obama, they love John McCain. I think we'll be hearing a lot more about Mr. Ayers. Posted by: ubns

I wouldn't count on that. Someone on this blog the other day said that Hannity informed listeners on his radio show that MSNBC and CNN and others had decided jointly not to report much on Rev. Jeremiah Wright anymore. And I won't be surprised if that spills over onto Ayers. I've given up on the media.

Brian is fucking the rules and the law with each and every bowl. Hypocrasy thy name is Brian.

John McCain would do better to focus his attentions on his own associations, mainly with lobbyists, than worry about trying to create an association for Obama that doesn't exist.

Brian, You don't seem as quick this early in the morning.

I'm still waiting to hear about why you hate us so much for
supporting Hillary. Do you really expect everyone to agree with you on everything? Are we all supposed to have the exact values that you have deemed important, and prioritize them in the exact same way.

John McCain would do better to focus his attentions on his own associations, mainly with lobbyists, than worry about trying to create an association for Obama that doesn't exist.

BTW meg has does it make you feel to see your beloved quoting Karl Rove as a justification for staying in a race she can't win?

And, Meg, understand that Brian is EXTREMELY high maintenance. :)

I don't hate you meg, but I resent the hell out of you trying to cheapen and make illegitimate Obama's victory.

Happy Primary Day to everybody in OR & KY!
Let's see, which state will MSNBC cover ad naseum?

The media will try to ignore/suppress negative stories about BO, but the GOP will, sadly prevail. Silly, DNC.

"If you look for the bad in people expecting to find it , you surely will." - Abraham Lincoln

Rove may not be the most admirable person but he is quite good at his craft. I wouldn't discount his analysis. After all, he is the one who got Braindead Bush "elected" twice.

Everyone,

Ignore Brian.. when his hard on fizzles.. he will go somewhere else to get his jollies

And, Meg, understand that Brian is EXTREMELY high maintenance. :)
Posted by: Flatus

Thanks Flatus.
And I was kinda figuring that out.

I don't supposed it occurs to you nann that Rove's assessment is based on his desire to create havoc within the Democratic Party?

blueINdallas

It must absolutely kill them not being able to do exit interviews in Oregon. Perhaps they'll chat-up the letter carriers.

Kentucky? Expect them there next May for the mint juleps.

a lobbyist by any other name

Contributions made by the various industry sectors tell the real story in a presidential race. And Opensecrets.org shows that Obama is picking up gobs of money put on the table by these special interests—including those involved in health care, which will surely have a lot riding on the outcome of the election and will expect to be heard after the election is over.
http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/obamas_lobbyist_line.php

", but I resent the hell out of you trying to cheapen and make illegitimate Obama's victory. Brian

why?
If it makes things more tolerable for some of us, what's the problem? The facts are what they are and the win will stand in the end. It's our privilege to analyze, rationalize and decide in any way we choose. You can disagree with us without making it so personal and treating us like the enemy.

Rove and Rush don't have to create havoc within the Dem Party,
Obama and his gang: Darth Axelrod, Chris Matthews, Keith Overbite, Howard
Dean, most of the mainstream media and Washington Insiders in the Dem Party, as well as the NY Times journal tarts like Maureen Dowd did it for them.

Yes, Brian , it has occurred to me that Rove might be trying to create havoc. But, I think it's more likely that his analysis is correct based on actual primary results in place such as Ohio and West Virginia. Like it or not, Obama has some major problems with many voters. He will have alot of work to do if he's going to win them over. Frankly, I don't think he can.

that obama sure is arrogant.

i still can't get over the fact that, in the beginning, he thought he was the inevitable candidate and didn't even have a post-super tuesday plan. worse yet, he wasted all his money. i guess he thought it was his "turn" or something. what an arrogant dope.

oh wait....sorry, that was hillary.

nevermind.

LOVE Geraldine Ferrarro

She just quoted Michelle Obama .When asked if she would vote for Obama,She said,"I don't know,I'll have to think about that."
Good for her!

Ruth

I hope everyone is wearing blue Jeans today. It is the anniversary of the day the original patent was awarded to Levi and Strauss.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkN3bSoLYhc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iYpboTjtoQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O80b002XT0&feature=related

I don't hate you meg, but I resent the hell out of you trying to cheapen and make illegitimate Obama's victory.

Posted by: BrianInNYC | May 20, 2008 8:01 AM

Obama's victory is cheap and illegiiimate
it's based on disenfranchising two of the largest states and using the causcus system which does not allow absentee voting

Obama does not represent the rank and file of ths Democratic party.

Rove and Rush don't have to create havoc within the Dem Party, Posted by: prof marcia

Actually, I never thought I'd ever listen to Rove, but he's been so analytical in discussing Hillary's campaign, that I now do listen. He's a brilliant strategist and seems so unemotional. So when he talks it's more like a computer analyzing the facts than an emotional human being, such as I, getting distracted by my feelings.

Another person I thought I'd never listen to is Pat Buchannon. But now he's about the only one on MSNBC I can listen to with an open mind, unless Craig is on there.

I don't see how MSNBC gets away with one solid campaign commercial for Obama. It is getting worse as the days go by. It is infuriating how the media has manipulated this whole election process. I hope Oregon goes for Hillary today, actually. I am hearing everything from 20 to 4 point lead by O.

"I have a different view of leadership. A leadership is someone who brings people together." - George W. Bush

In response to the sentiment expressed this am, here
is today's NYT full page ad "Not So Fast", sponsored by WomenCount PAC.

"Hillary's voice is OUR voice, and she's speaking for all of us."

http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/an-ad-opportunity-from-womencount-pac/

I have no idea what drives Hillary to remain so positive in the face of the media determination to destroy her candidacy, but , as long as Hillary continues to fight on for what she believes in, and many of us here also believe, that she is the best person to become President, I for one will continue to support her.

As the ad states,

"We want Hllary to stay in this reace until every vote is cast, every vote is counted., and we know that our voice are heard."

Meg I guess you are I aren't reading the same blog, the contempt on this blog shown for Obama and his supporters is about 100 fold of what is shown for Clinton and her supporters.

Does the man think arrogance is going to win him the nomination?

Julie

Posted by: Julie Young 73 | May 20, 2008 6:12 AM

As soon as the Obama posse joins the party, our excitement will
be deflated somewhat. I won't mention any names.

Posted by: prof marcia Author Profile Page | May 20, 2008 6:30 AM

I used to feel, before I found this site, that I was the only one that noticed how arrogant he is. Then he opened his mouth in San Francisco and made it obvious to everyone.

Posted by: Meg Author Profile Page | May 20, 2008 6:32 AM

Brian is fucking the rules and the law with each and every bowl. Hypocrasy thy name is Brian.

Posted by: nannymm Author Profile Page | May 20, 2008 7:56 AM

Everyone,

Ignore Brian.. when his hard on fizzles.. he will go somewhere else to get his jollies

Posted by: BOWWOW44 Author Profile Page | May 20, 2008 8:04 AM

So far, MoJo isn't too over the top today. PB is holding his own and Doris Kearns Goodwin did a good job.

We're sitting here in the hotel room watching the 9-pm news. They are showing the most heart-breaking pictures of the human torment in China.

For comic relief, I'm listening to Imus over WABCradio.com

Woke at 5:30 this morning, looked out the window and saw what appeared to be flames a few blocks away. Within minutes they were leaping 30 to 40 feet in the air.

The area was combination residential commercial with a number of high-rise apartments and very high density very old single story village style buildings built shortly after the war.

A few minutes after I started watching, a convoy of ten fire apparatus raced down the street in front of the hotel and vanished around the corner to the area of the fire. As this was happening, pole transformers were exploding and smoke was engulfing the apartments abutting the fire area.

Thankfully, within half an hour, all the smoke was gone. We have no idea if there were casualties. But, this we do know, a significant tragedy was avoided by the apparent competence of the Seoul fire fighters.

I'm expecting Pat Buchanan to disappear from MSNBC any time now. He is the only reasonable voice on there.

Brian is fucking the rules and the law with each and every bowl. Hypocrasy thy name is Brian.
Posted by: nannymm Author Profile Page | May 20, 2008 7:56 AM

Brian, that is not contemp. It is a statement of fact. You smoke pot. Pot is illegal. You slammed Hillary for "breaking the rules."
Thus:
Brian is fucking the rules and the law with each and every bowl. Hypocrasy thy name is Brian.

Brian the WATB he can dish it out but when he doesn't have his nannies here to protect him he goes all "booohooo everyone is picking on me"

Poor Brian insulted.. Should have thought about that before you launched the series of insults to supporters of other candidates. Like your sock pupper Mr. Democrat --people you have abused in the past 'don't give a flying piece a crap about you or your candidate.

I blamed Hillary for not keeping her word. Go back and read what I wrote. I never pledged not to smoke pot.

Patsi said, "Good morning, and here's to a big victory today in my neighbor-state, Kentucky!" And to that, I say DITTO.

Julie, Meg - I'm certainly not an Obama fan until he's won the nomination, but I hdid hear him yesterday talking about tody's likely result, giving him more than half of the pledged delegates available (excluding FL & MI). He actually downplayed it, saying only that it was an imprtant milestone in his campaign. So I give him one star for acting contrary to his usual arrogant self.

Meg, oh, we'll hear about Ayers (and Wright and Michelle for that matter) - there will be a 527 that will arise and beat that drum until November. You asked why Brian hates us (Hillary supporters) so much. Brian has unique insight on the way, the truth, the light and attacks every position and person holding any position other than his own vision. His mantra of late could be "Damn the facts, I hold the truth." And as for losers - he hung his hat on a two timer - John Edwards - which may explain his unveiled hostility.
And I see Brian has completely dropped the summer of love approach and has gone back to attacking both our host and the commenters here. Of course posting this early in the morning, his Circadian Rhythm must be all fucked up. Oh, and marijuana isn't a drug (unless a portion of a medicinal plant called cannabis sativa whose active ingredients include delta-9-tetrhydrocannabinol, a compound with certain therapeutic and medicinal qualities, and which satisfies the criteria of any recognized definition of drug is a drug).

btw - in neighboring WV, it is cool and damp, and our weather is coming here from KY & OH - 2 states Obama would rather forget.

Carville on Imus now

Meg,

I feel exactly the same as you do about Karl Rove and Pat Buchanan. As a lifelong Democrat, I never would have imagined myself listening to either of these men, but they both are clever and seem surprisingly like true political analysists, certainly not surrogates for Obama. I find myself tuning into Rove and Buchanan and tuning out the other pundits. (except Craig)

I've been desperate to hear any somewhat unbiased commentary
this political season. That it seems to be coming only from Republicans
is shocking to me. I think that even Bill O'Rielly has been kinder to Hillary
Clinton than any of the so-called liberal commentators on CNN and MSNBC. What does that tell you?

"....she did an about face and said fuck the rules."
That is what you said, Brian. The only thing she agreed to was to not campaign in Florida and Michigan. She kept her word on that. She never agreed not to fight to have the delegates seated later. In fact, no one really thought the idiots at the DNC would really disenfranchise the voters of those two states. It's political suicide, Brian!

Obama said his relationship with Ayers showed he can get along with everyone and compared that relationship to his relationship to Senator Tom Coburn.

I wonder how Coburn feels about being considered the rightwing equivilent of Ayers.

This morning's blog started out so nice until Obama's shill showed up early to destroy the tranquility here.

Marcia,9/11,Meg,Julie,Patsi, love reading your posts.

Ruth

May 19, 2008
Raleigh, N.C. – Barack Obama is likely to win an overwhelming victory in Oregon,
according to Public Policy Polling’s final survey in the state. He leads Hillary Clinton
58-39.

“Oregon is shaping up as a similar state to Wisconsin for Obama,” said Dean Debnam,
President of Public Policy Polling. “He started out with a small lead there, then built it
into the upper double figures as election day came nearer. Anything other than a double
digit victory for him would be a surprise, and a disappointment for his campaign.”
Obama leads with female voters in the state, which makes it nearly impossible for
Clinton to win.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_Oregon_051908.pdf

I'd explain it to you sturg, but since your post has such an obnoxious tone to it I'm not going to waste my time.

Posted by: BrianInNYC | May 20, 2008 6:54 AM

RFLMFAO

Obama campaigned in Florida and said h would seat the delegation but when he lost Florida he changed his mind.

talk about a hypocrite. Tried to pretend he didn't know he was breaking the rules during the campaign appearance he made in Sept.

Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse

Nann obviously you're an idiot. In the Senator's own words:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULxxBz-PAjg

If Barack Obama had given a speech on bowling, it might well have been brilliant and inspiring. But instead he actually tried bowling and threw a gutter ball. The contrast between talking and doing could not have been better illustrated." from a Real Clear Politics submitted article.

I copied this, this morning, but forgot to credit the exact article it was from, but it was from their yesterday submitted columns. I really thought it says a lot, and wanted to post it here.

Not Bush

Do you have citations for your first two paragraphs??

Sen. Hillary Clinton, New Hampshire Public Radio, Thursday, October 11, 2007:

NHPR's Laura Knoy: "So, if you value the DNC calendar, why not just pull out of Michigan? Why not just say, Hey Michigan, I'm off the ballot?"

" I personally did not think it made any difference, whether or not my name was on the ballot, you know, it's clear, this election they are having is not going to count for anything"

Coreen,

Thanks for the link.. on Hillary supporters

For the GE, this kind of information is very helpful for those of us organizing against Obama in our respective geographic areas. As we develop contacts in various regions of the country.. it will eventually lead to a national effort.. we are lobbying some national organizations now.

Geraldine Ferraro's shot across the bow is just the beginning

Oregon Democrat: wanted to wish you well with primary day. Know how hard you have worked, and am glad that you got out there and worked for your ideals. You will never regret doing so, and probably even pulled in a few votes for your candidate and made a difference (darn you!)

Best wishes,
dog

Craig,

The DNC are not reading the 'TEALEAVES'. Hillary Democrates all over this country, not just Women but men like me and my whole family will NOT NOT NOT NOT vote for OBama if Hillary is not on the ticket, either on top or as VP. Hillary beats Mccain, Mccain beats Obama.

Mel7

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TAMPA - Barack Obama hinted during a Tampa fundraiser Sunday that if he's the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, he'll seat a Florida delegation at the party's national convention, despite national party sanctions prohibiting it.

Obama also appeared to violate a pledge he and the other leading candidates took by holding a brief news conference outside the fundraiser. That was less than a day after the pledge took effect Saturday, and Obama is the first Democratic presidential candidate to visit Florida since then.
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/sep/30/obama-vows-do-whats-right/?news-breaking

Hillary accepted & signed the DNC rules barring MI & FL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmUVr_Qt2Wg

Ayers was discussed on Hannity and Colmes last night: Look for this in the link:

Questionable Connections
Victims of Bill Ayers group speak out

http://www.foxnews.com/hannityandcolmes/index.html#

So Who Is This Bill Ayers??

"Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn (now married to Ayers) were two of the most infamous domestic terrorists ever to be allowed to continue to walk the earth in America, thanks to a screw up in the surveillance. But that didn’t stop Ayers from bragging on what he did.

“i don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough”
–Bill Ayers, September 11, 2001

... a violent U.S Radical Left group. They called themselves a revolutionary organization whose purpose was to carry out a series of attacks to overthrow of the Government of the United States."

See link for long list of bombings:

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/17/so-who-is-this-bill-ayers/

ProfM, Let's be clear about Rove - he is a brilliant political strategist who knows no bounds of decency. I suspect that his next career includes being an analyst on Fox. I think it is important to understand that while his analysis may be correct WRT the dem race, the man has few redeeming qualities.

nannym, what Hillary agreed to, as you said, was not to campaign in FL. She acknowledged early on that the FL & MI delgates would not count and stated that the first in the nation status for IA & NH was an important concept in the Dem nomination process (I happen to disagree with that position strongly). She has since come to believe that the 2.4 million votes in FL & MI should count (as do I). She has changed her position on the issue (rightly so IMHO). And it would benefit her if that position were adopted, both WRT delegate count and popular vote )although I don't understand the argument that the votes of the people who went to the polls shouldn't count - regardless of whether delegates are awarded). That is what has been contorted to an about face and "fuck the rules" argument by the O-bots. Is it a change in position? Sure. Is it the correct position to take? I think so. Apparently the O-bots place a higher premium on consistency than on doing the right thing, if that involves changing one's position. Sounds like a great quality to endorse, doesn't it - it's the one that Dumya has governed with.

The voters of Florida voted, over a million voters came out to the polls. I don't believe anybody has the authority to keep these votes from counting.

I agree about Buchanan and Rove .Who ever thought we would be calling them the one's with the voice of reason.But Hillary is being attacked because she qouted his electoral map,which showed she would win the most states in the general.

I never thought I would be watching the Fov network either.But it is impossible to watch CNN or MSNBC.Turned on Imus for a few minutes earlier but his show was so silly i had to turn it off.He added two AA 's to his show and gave them parts that are ridiculous.
Reading from scripts is not the best use of these two talented people.If he wants to make up for his racist remarks,he should let them participate more in the actual conversation of the show.
The way he showcases them is,to me, very demeaning.
Ruth

Sen. Hillary Clinton, New Hampshire Public Radio, Thursday, October 11, 2007:

NHPR's Laura Knoy: "So, if you value the DNC calendar, why not just pull out of Michigan? Why not just say, Hey Michigan, I'm off the ballot?"

" I personally did not think it made any difference, whether or not my name was on the ballot, you know, it's clear, this election they are having is not going to count for anything"
Posted by: Say one thing when you want NH's support | May 20, 2008 8:53

Dear Say one thing:

Let's show the entire quote from that interview, shall we? As a reminder, prior to this quote, Hillary reinforced the difficult position the people of Michigan are in ("they are flat on their backs") and then she went on to say this:

"It's clear this election they're having is not going to count for anything but I just personally didn't want to set up a situation where the Republicans are going to be campaigning between now and whenever and then after the nomination you know we have to go in and repair the damage to be ready to win Michigan in November 2008. I'm not going to campaign there before the you know deadlines and the February 5th window. I'm not going to spend any money there. But I did not believe that it was fair to just say "Goodbye Michigan" and not take into account the fact that we're going to have to win Michigan if we're going to be in the White House in January of 2009."

Thanks for bringing this subject up again "Say one thing." It just proves how Hillary understands what it takes to win the White House in November!

Pulling quotes out of context: The New Politics of Hope and Change.

Bill Ayers the unindicted McVeigh

Hillary accepted & signed the DNC rules barring MI & FL
Posted by: BrianInNYC

Brian,
Ok. We get it.
And we don't care, Can't you see that. No one has the right to take aways millions of votes no matter who decided it and who "accepted & signed" the DNC rules.

Did you ever think about the fact that she probably had no choice. The candidates were all REQUIRED to abide or
they wouldn't have qualified to run. So what. It's not going make a difference in who wins anyway. So why not make a few "million" people happy, and stop worrying about one person who sees this as somehow unfair to acknowledge their votes.

Thank you, Pogp, for expressing so well what I was trying to say. The last thing we need is another fool like GWB who won't change his mind no matter how foolish, harmful, irresponsible, or unworkable his position.

NoBush, thanks for the Tampa Trib article.

The big paragraph was this one:

"The DNC has threatened to refuse to seat a Florida convention delegation because of the too-early primary, which the Florida Legislature decided on last spring. But if a candidate amasses enough delegates before the primary to ensure the nomination, that candidate would take control of the convention, including the power to seat a delegation."

That is apparently why Obama "hinted" that he would seat the delegation. But there is no quote to that effect--perhaps because it was made inside the fundraiser and was off the record.

No one has the right to sign away votes -- not Obama, not Hillary, not the DNC, not Howard Dean, nobody can do that.

Her support of [Utah Senator Bob] Bennett's bill follows her position in Congress last summer, when a constitutional ban on flag-burning was debated. Clinton said then she didn't support a constitutional ban, but did support federal legislation making it a crime to desecrate the flag.

In her public statements, she has compared the act of flag-burning to burning a cross, which can be considered a violation of federal civil rights law.

http://mediagirl.org/blog/media-girl/2005/12/hillary-wraps-herself-flag

Ruth......you must have heard only one part of the show.......Tony Powell and Ms Foster chime in at will all thru the show plus their scripted bits.....as much as do bernie, charles, and lou.....

OK, I read all sorts of stuff at NYT, but this one about his month's PPI caught my eye.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/21/business/21econ.html?_r=1&hp=&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1211289106-8QeC3B1uAzq7JJFUWCsljQ

Read the 3rd paragraph.

Oh, and don't worry, outside food and gasoline, prices, after being adjusted according to our government - to whom black is certainly whaite, and vice versa - are only rising moderately. Luckily your home (which you are pretty unlikely to buy again) is losing value, which of course is one of the factors that is helping "moderate" inflation. You might say the government is relieved that stuff you don't buy as much isn't rising as much as stuff you have to buy. All is well.

Will someone please explain to me why CNN and John King and his fancy map will not show us what could happen if FL and MI are put back in play. They say it would change the math but it would be interesting to see what it does but they refuse to show it.

In an interview in WaPo, Hillary speaks about sexism in the camapign.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/19/AR2008051902729.html

Meg you might not care if a candidate keeps her word and honors her own signed pledges. I do, and apparently most of the voters do to which is why Hillary is losing.

Perceived Honesty Gap for Clinton Versus Obama, McCain

Hillary Clinton is rated as "honest and trustworthy" by 44% of Americans, far fewer than say this about John McCain (67%) and Barack Obama (63%).
http://www.gallup.com/poll/105097/Perceived-Honesty-Gap-Clinton-Versus-Obama-McCain.aspx

Brian, you've made me laugh so hard with your post at 8:26am:
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/05/mccain-targets-obamas-terroris.html#comment-85327

As I read all those posts you listed, I appreciated them for what they are. Passionate posts by honest people on what they were feeling at the time. What's wrong with that? We're supposed to be able to say whatever we want here without feeling we'll be attacked for doing so.
You certainly do it. And for that, I respect you.
If you read all those posts you quoted, from my point of view, you would be laughing too. I admire them. I think they're funny. I think they show how much people care.

When they signed the pledge to ignore the votes from Michigan if they moved up there elections,nothing was said about counting them if they held them later.When new elections were set up Obama was the one who stopped new elections.
What I don't understand is,why does he have the right to decide whether or not these elections could be held.He is not the nominee or the leader of the democratic party.The rules committee should be the ones to make this decision.
And it is political suicide for the party to ignore the voters of Florida and Michigan.
Count these states or revote!

Ruth

On Imus this morning I heard that Obama has a 4 pt lead in Oregon. That falls within the margin of error. i did not hear what the Undecided amount was? Did anybody hear what that is.

Um, Ally- whether you include your quote or the whole interview- it does not change the point that Hillary said that the votes in the election would not count for anything- all of her representatives stated this too on the campaign's behalf-

Say what you will- but the quote I used was not pulled out of context as you claim. She clearly says she wanted her name on the ballot- period. She clearly says she was not going to spend money, and that the votes would not matter- her position is one more of symbolism.

Before you disparage me, I did not speak ill of HRC, and if she is the candidate in Nov, I will work hard for her candidacy. I agree with others who mentioned her war vote as a big reason to not support her. Had she voted against the resolution- I would have been very likely to be on board for her- in fact - I can say I would have.

Despite some people (especially here) saying that "all the Obama people" are a certain way, or all the Clinton people are another, I do not believe it is that simple. Several here constantly tease the other side and some fall for it consistently.

There are few difference between =Clinton and Obama on policy- the passion and the sadness, is comes from this historic election that a black man and a woman are competing for a very favorable election for dems. The prize is big this year.

Craig- here is to a little down the road when all are (or almost all) are on the same side again- at least even if that side is cheerful discourse.

Perception is not always the truth.

According to the Gallup poll during the 2004 campaign people thought Kerry did not deserve his medals

But that wasn't true either.

Patsi...You'll have to let me know what you think, but be gentle.... It's partially set in Nashville, and I was writing off research from one visit. Not to mention that you know country music far better than I ever will, and my hero is based on country musicians. Hope you enjoy it!

And, yes, sites like Amazon and half.com are fabulous! You can find almost anything there! Usually for a great bargain!

Campaign promises.

They're made with the facts as they understood at one particular point in time. And they are heard by ears that listen for what they want to hear.

If the facts change, does that make the promise moot? If the facts change, is it a broken promise, a lie, to act on matters in light of the changed factual base?

And, because we have a representative government, we choose people who will best act in ways that we would act.

But, it's unrealistic to expect them to always act exactly as we would. After all, there many constituents all with the same expectations of faithful representation.

Yes Craig, Obama is going to have a hard time with Ayers. His dismissive remarks to Hillary might work during the media biased primary, but they will not fly for the GE. Didn't Ayer's father get Obama started with a $50,000,000 grant? I don’t see that fact mentioned in your Ayer links. And the connection to the Tribune is clear. The Tribune has featured Ayers as a writer on several occasions and has yet to retract the falsehoods in a story they ran claiming the Weathermen NEVER hurt or killed anybody.

While Obama was planning his political trajectory with Rezko, Ayers and Khalidi while a member of Trinity, Hillary was in Bosnia visiting the troops she had advocated protect Muslims against the Serbs.

Seems like a fine contrast. Obama working with a spokesperson for the PLO, the infamous Rezko who was receiving funding from a Saddam loyalist Auchi and a 60s radical terrorist bomber v Hillary who as first lady was visiting our troops in their mission even Bernstein noted was strongly pushed by Hillary Clinton.

And in the face of these facts, Obama gives a dismissive answer implying Ayers wasn't really his friend and that this "distraction" was designed to hurt Americans in derailing their desire to elect BO as President so their dreams and hopes of change risked remaining unaccomplished. Yes, this is the sub text. I "hope" that the media will "change" its behavior and finally vet the real history and record of Obama's rise to the doorsteps of the WH BEFORE we all must witness what Barak will do once in power.
The GOP ought to be making a mini film about the life and times of BO and contrast that with McCain. The contrast will speak for itself. Meanwhile the Democrats plan just to morph McCain and Bush’s face back and forth hoping such infantile identity politics can fool all those Independents, Women and Reagan Democrats they will need to win.

"Meg you might not care if a candidate keeps her word and honors her own signed pledges. I do,..." Brian

And what do you know about what I care about and what I don't care about. You've never even bothered to ask me.

And, as for today, you made a choice to walk into the "lions den" and you knew exactly what to expect. You came here looking for a fight. So what? I'm like you, "everybodies entitle to my opinion."

Has anyone else noticed how the MSM is setting the stage to blame Hillary if Obama gets the nomination and then loses the general? They seem to think that it will be entirely up to Hillary to get us to vote for Obama and that if we don't it will be beacuse she didn't work hard enough to convince us. What they fail to recognize is that we have free will and many of us just won't vote for him even if Hillary and Bill personally show up on our doorsteps and plead with us to do so.

Rezdog......thanks for the explanation..........makes sense now......lol

Saturday, February 16, 2008
Obama's Bill Ayers problem
"Memory is a motherf*cker."

That's the opening line of Bill Ayers' 2001 book, Fugitive Days, about his execrable days as a Weather Underground terrorist. Now a (gasp!) tenured education professor at the University of Illinois-Chicago, he's a campaign issue for Barack Obama.

Ayers, along with his fellow former Weather Underground terrorist wife, Bernardine Dohrn, are among the two most despicable people in living in America. And Obama served on a board with him. That will play well in rural Ohio--for John McCain.

While the Arizona senator was being tortured by his North Vietnamese captors, Ayers was openly cheering for a Communist victory over our troops.

In 1969, four years before McCain was set free by the NVA, Ayers and the Weather Underground brought the terroristic "Days of Rage" to Chicago.

Three years before McCain's release from captivity, future education professor Ayers exclaimed, "Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at."

One year before McCain achieved freedom, Ayers participated in a bombing of the Pentaton. Of that day, Ayers wrote:

Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon.

The sky was blue. The birds were singing. And the bastards were finally going to get what was coming to them.
http://marathonpundit.blogspot.com/2008/02/obamas-bill-ayers-problem.html

brian,

You never commented on Obama's campaign ad championing him as the Liquid Coal Divo Assoluto.

Weaning us off fossil fuels was one of your primo five promises which Obama would realize.

That ad was THE ONLY ONE Obama's campaign did not prerelease to the press.

How honest is that?

Why not show some honest critical judgment about the Senator, Brian?

That is a big transgression as far as claims and promises go.

Bigger than flags and campaigning pledges.

It would be welcome to see something from you other than poopinion.

If I were an Obama supporter, I wouldn't be talking about flags.

A law lets the courts decide whether flag burning is constitutional - an amendment takes the issue out of the hands of the court.

Pogo-

Agreed that one can change their mind if they have more info and reconsider their position. But in the case of the MI votes- Hillary changed her mind because she thought the election would be a cake walk- her campaign never for the life of them thought that she would be duking it out with BO into June.

I had a hard time with Kerry for how he tried to twist out of his Iraq vote. When the senate was voting on the resolution- I was mostly awaiting for Kerry's position-and he chose to give Bush authority.

..................................................................................
And, by the way, what Hillary did is just what she considered to be the most opportune thing with her to win the election. I don't fault her for it- but "it is what it is"- She has not said - (and point it out to me if she has- I may be wrong) that she changed her mind about Michigan and why she has- I have just hear her ignore her earlier stance.

It is interesting to look at who is where now- and look at who supported which candidate- and to look at where everyone was back in Nov. 2007- (even a prominent Paul supporter among us)

Has anyone else noticed how the MSM is setting the stage to blame Hillary if Obama gets the nomination and then loses the general?" nannymm

nanny, yes! I have noticed that for a good while now. If Obama loses, it's the fault of the Clinton's. Poor Obama. Never to be held accountable for anything. Everyone needs to defend him. His wife, the media, his o-bots. And shame on us if we look at him objectively. Then we must be racists.

The votes will have to be counted. I refuse to believe that I cast a vote and it doesn't count because somebody signed a pledge not to count it. At first I was of the opinion that since it was agreed upon to punish Florida, well, then the agreement has to be honored. Then I thought, punish Florida? Who has the right to make such an agreement? I hear that it won't make any difference, that the nomination will go to Obama no matter what. If that is true, then what is the big deal. Humor us. Count the votes.

(Susan Rice is getting a little testy.)

Dohrn, however, was jailed for less than a year for refusing to testify before a grand jury investigating other Weather Underground members’ robbery of a Brinks truck, in which a guard and two New York State Troopers were killed.

“I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough,” Ayers told the New York Times in 2001.

And their rehabilitation in establishment circles, even in Hyde Park, has its limits.

Though he is a respected figure in liberal educational circles, Ayers wrote recently about how in 2006 he was informed he was persona non grata at a progressive educators’ conference in the summer of 2006.
“We cannot risk a simplistic and dubious association between progressive education and the violent aspects of your past,” he quoted the conference organizers, whom he described as friends, as writing to him.

But the couple has been embraced, by and large, in the liberal circles dominating Hyde Park politics.

“Bill Ayers is one of my heroes in life,” said Sam Ackerman, a longtime local activist. “I knew Tony Rezko, and he ain’t no Rezko.”

But others in Hyde Park, whose intellectual and political life revolves around the University of Chicago, view the couple with ambivalence.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630.html

Flatus the only facts that changed since Hillary signed the pledge is Super Tuesday when she blew it, and then Obama's consecutive 11 wins. Hillary never foresaw that she would never hold the pledge delegate lead, truth of the matter had it not been for her early lead with the SDs (now a thing of the past) she never would have been ahead in this race.

Vadaryl
Think there are 8% undecided and another 5% refused
Ruth

Excuse me, but what a bunch of crap.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/20/business/20housing.html?hp

We can't afford the House bill - that over the next 5 F*CKING YEARS costs what just over one WEEK in Iraq costs? And I thought Chris Dodd would have made a good choice for president. Not with those priorities.

Say one thing when you want NH's support: Your blog name IN AND OF ITSELF IS DISPARAGING TO HRC. Give me a break.

Her interview made it clear that the people of Michigan were in a difficult position and telling all of those voters to FO was a terrible mistake when it comes to the general election. She left her name on the ballot as a show of support to the Michigan voters.

Through surrogates, Obama ran a strong campaign for his supporters to vote uncommitted in the election so that he may ultimately receive those votes.

Ever heard of John and Monica Conyers? Perhaps you've seen that classy little show she put on at a Detroit City Council meeting that floated around on YouTube? Anyhoo, this is the text from a radio ad that ran throughout Michigan:

MALE: THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IS CONFUSING. I WANT TO VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA BUT OBAMA’S NAME IS NOT ON THE BALLOT.

FEMALE: THERE IS NO ONE ON THAT BALLOT I WANT TO BE PRESIDENT.

MALE: WELL, THESE FOLKS CAN HELP US. EXCUSE ME, CONGRESSMAN CONYERS AND COUNCILWOMAN CONYERS, WE NEED YOUR HELP.

FEMALE: HOW CAN WE VOTE FOR OBAMA ON TUESDAY?

Rep. Conyers: YOU CAN’T. YOU CANNOT EVEN WRITE IN OBAMA’S NAME. IF YOU DO YOUR VOTE WILL NOT COUNT BECAUSE OBAMA’S CAMPAIGN CHOSE NOT TO PLACE HIS NAME ON THE MICHIGAN BALLOT SO AS NOT TO VIOLATE NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC PARTY RULES. BUT YOU CAN VOTE UNCOMMITTED

Councilwoman Conyers: IF AT LEAST 15% OF THE PEOPLE VOTE UNCOMMITTED, THE STATE DEMOCRATIC PARTY MUST SEND THAT PERCENTAGE OF DELEGATES TO THE NATIONAL CONVENTION UNCOMMITTED.

Rep. Conyers: MY WIFE AND I ARE VOTING UNCOMMITTED. WE WILL WORK WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO MAKE SURE THAT UNCOMMITTED DELEGATES GO TO THAT CONVENTION TRULY UNCOMMITTED SO THAT OBAMA CAN COMPETE FOR THEIR VOTE.

MALE: THANK YOU CONGRESSMAN CONYERS AND COUNCILWOMAN CONYERS. I WILL JOIN YOU AND VOTE UNCOMMITTED ON TUESDAY.

FEMALE: ME TOO - AT LEAST MY VOTE WON’T BE WASTED

Councilwoman Conyers: THIS TRUTH IN POLITICS MESSAGE WAS PAID FOR BY FRIENDS OF MONICA CONYERS [end}]

This ad courtesy of the Washington Post:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/01/09/voters_face_confusion_in_michi.html

and another thing, look at who supports Obama . Tom Hayden, Khalidi. Fonda, Carter, Malley, Power, Zbig, Teddy, Ayers, Rezko, Auchi, Meeks, Moss, Lee, Farrakhan, Jackso