Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Good morning.

Another Taylor Marsh Smear against Obama.

"An example of Marsh's anti-Obama and pro-to-the-point-of-delusional-Clinton postings is shown in the above graphic. The graphic is an actual grab taken from Marsh's website. Take care to note that the displayed section (along with the rest of her blog) is devoted solely to assailing Obama and peddling Clinton propaganda. Understanding that, pay special attention to the headline (hyperlinked on her blog) circled in red. The headline reads, "Barak draws harsh criticism for calling on Olmert to quit post".

The link actually brings the visitor at Marsh's blog to a report posted on Haaretz, which is an Israeli news site. Obviously, by posting the link in her anti-Obama/anti-Democratic Party 'news' section, Marsh is hoping that her visitors will assume 'Barack' Obama has committed some kind of foreign affairs gaffe. Of course, the report has NOTHING to do with Obama:

"Referring to [Israeli] Defense Minister Ehud Barak's call on Wednesday for Olmert to step aside, which he made after Jewish American businessman Morris Talansky testified on the hundreds of thousands of dollars he is suspected of transferring the prime minister…""

Read the story here.

http://www.progressivedailybeacon.com/

God Bless.

During a fund-raiser in Denver, Obama — a former constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago Law School — was asked what he hoped to accomplish during his first 100 days in office.

“I would call my attorney general in and review every single executive order issued by George Bush and overturn those laws or executive decisions that I feel violate the constitution,” said Obama.

He'll overturn laws? What about the separation of powers? How can a President overturn a law passed by Congress?

Presidents issue exective orders. It's Congress that passes and repeals laws. Our courts decide the constitutionality of laws passed by Congress.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/30/03932/0404

Anon
And your point is Taylor has done something wrong? She has every right to be baised for Hillary!!! Ever vist Kos or Obama Huffington Post? Theres room for every one here on the Net.

Lynn C...

Through the courts that's how and on the executive orders he can issue new ones overturning any executive order that is unconstitutional.

God Bless.

Doesn't this sound exactly like Bush signing statements saying that Bush will not respect parts of the law because they were in his interpretation unconstitutional?

Is Obama saying his Administration will bring a lot of cases before the Courts -- or that he as President will not respect laws?

Doesn't the timeline -- the first 100 days--seem as if Obama means he himself will "overturn" laws passed while Bush was in office?

scott mcclellan on cspan right now......

good morning gang.....

Craig....great video..... I miss Monty Hall!

thank god the Red Sox are back on the east coast..... Manny is at home run number 499..... his fans won't have to see #500 on replay from the west coast....

think I'll start my weekend early....... YEEEEHHHAAAWWWW......

tonyb39...

So you believe its alright to put misleading or untruthful information to destroy someone? And did you read the link I posted last night?

She has every right to be biased for Hillary, but not to smear someone while doing it by posting a link that suggests something that's not true about Obama.

Read the link I left above.

God Bless.

I got knocked offline by a power outage as I was typing this up, so sorry for the late reply.

Good Morning, Craig and Everyone,

Craig, in reference to your post, the Florida/Michigan problem seems
so convoluted that it frustrates me completely. It appears that all our
leaders are at fault for the mess--both Democrats and Republicans. But, why should the voters be the ones to suffer? Splitting the votes 50/50 just doesn't seem fair to me since Senator Clinton won the most votes in Florida
and Obama was on the ballot.

No one can force Senator Clinton to accept the decision made by the committee. If Florida and Michigan are seated, even 50/50, doesn't the number of delegates needed to win the nomination go up too? So, neither Obama nor Clinton will have the needed number by Saturday.

Lynn C...

Do you believe that the President should have the right to strip American Citizens of there rights and hold them without the right to a lawyer or a court hearing.

He does under the MCA of 2006.

Or spy on American Citizens without a warrant as he has been doing for a long time now?

Personally I don't think that any President or any American Citizen is above the law, perhaps you do.

Anyway that is only my opinion for what its worth.

God Bless.

Nick...

Sounds like a winner to me.

God Bless.

Well back to work.

God Bless.

Craig,

I saw you on Abrams last night. You, again, seemed the more logical,
reasonable and sane one in the group. I like that you brought out the fact
that Hillary may possibly secure the popular vote if Florida and Michigan
are seated. That would be a great talking point for Senator Clinton even
if she loses the nomination. Of course, that's the real reason the DNC and
Camp Obama desperately want the primary shut down on Saturday. How
awkward for Obama if Hillary actually has the popular vote when he announces that he's the nominee.

Isn't it interesting that Nancy Pelosi insisted that she'd back whoever won the popular vote?

A Very Clear Message From Clinton Supporters:

" ...Clinton supporter Christi Adkins spoke for millions of us in wanting all the votes — including those of Florida and Michigan — to be counted, particularly since in caucus states, Clinton supporters were already disadvantaged by being unfairly overwhelmed and bullied aside by young Obama-ites who wrested control of precinct and county caucus gatherings (which many hard-working Clinton supporters couldn’t attend because they had to work, care for small children, or were in a hospital or nursing home)."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/30/a-very-clear-message-from-clinton-supporters/

mornin, all -

ProfM, you are exactly right. And while I don't think she will do this, Hillary could say that she does not plan to concede until the votes are taken at the convention since the SDs are free to change their minds on a whim. A 50/50 split of the delegates would not comport with the DNC sanctions, and as was pointed out yesterday, at least in the case of MI, would give Obama an unearned gift of delegates from a state where no one - other than write-ins like Sheila (unsuccessful ones because he did not register asa a write in candidate) cast a vote for him - and as a result of his own actions, I might add.

AP, I never saw such outrage when the Huffpo writers were mischaracterizing HIllary & Bill's remarks during the campaign for the sole purpose of smearing Hillary and Bill as racists. You want to hear smearing? Listen to Make it Plain on Sirius left at 5 p.m. if you have access. You will love it on at least 2 levels.

Lynnn-- It's okay -- Obama didn't know that Presidents can't overturn federal laws -- only Exec Orders. He's only a Freshman Senator with less time in the Congress than some interns. He'll learn. I hear he's a quick study with great judgment. After all, he makes great choices with his friends and his church.

Cavuto and Cristi Adkins -- March on DC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIZ4teKidZk

Watching MoJo -- Mika's picking on Obama. Tweety is thinkin git doesn't matter. Barnicle just wants to turn the page -- from what to what?

Another good op-ed in today's WSJ--this time by John Fund:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121210923476431299.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

Sen Obama's supporters may view these opinion items as being unfair to Mr Obama, but fairness is simply not an issue when it comes to political rhetoric. What counts is public perception of the candidate.

Alicia,

But he has good judgment because he says he has good judgment.

He also has a Secret Timetable To End The War In Vietnam, A Heart Full Of Compassionate Conservatism and is A Uniter, Not A Divider.

And his supporters are the people his supporters have been waiting for.

Alicia, Obama's expertise on that matter should come more from the fact that he was a conlaw lecturer at UChicago Law than from his Senatorial service. I think he does know that he can't overturn laws passed by Congress on his own volition, but they can be challenged as unconstitutional by the Justice Department or he could submit legislation that would overturn them. As for those friends and his church...

Flatus: Thanks for the article. If McCain had made the gaffes that Obama has made recently, the media would have booked him a room at a nice old-age home in Arizona.

In a recent CQ post, the latest Pew polls stated that Obama is running just even with McCain. Craig writes:

"He (Obama) is down 13 points among white women compared to March
and among independents is down 49% compared to 62% in late February."

As I've written here before and Craig points out, there is growing frustration
among Clinton supporters. . .( for many reasons).

When will Obama supporters face the grim reality that a large number
of Democrats and other Americans are not jumping on board the Obama
train?

flatus - how DARE you smear Obama by posting a link to an article by John Fund about him? :-)

Oh, flatus, btw, even scumbags like Fund can be right, right?

pogo...

"I never saw such outrage when the Huffpo writers were mischaracterizing HIllary & Bill's remarks during the campaign for the sole purpose of smearing Hillary and Bill as racists. You want to hear smearing?"

If there Obama supporters and they are not putting Hillary's name to a link that is not linked to a story that has nothing to do about Hillary I have no problem with.

Same goes for anyone supporting Hillary who's not putting a link up to a story that has nothing to do about Obama.

That's politics and I expect that will always be.

But to make it appear that the link your posting is about the Candidate and its not is worse than politics and that's were I have a problem.

God Bless.

PS: I made that comment above about the link because I guessed that GORDO would run with it since it is Taylor Marsh and we all know how much he uses her to smear Obama.

Back to work.

Alicia Knight...

You sure assume a lot about what Obama knows about the Law since he is a lawyer after all.

God Bless.

Marcia: I believe that the Obama campaign knows the reality that they won't receive many Clinton supporters. The campaign believes their new coalition (urban, younger) in addition to some previous Hillocrats will be enough to propel them to victory in November. That's why I don't believe they see the threats of Hillocrats voting for McCain or staying home as a cause for concern as they are redrawing the electoral map. It's been obvious for quite a while that Obama's contention that he could get all of Clinton's votes but she can't get all of his was naive at best.

AP -----------------------

Wrong again. So what's new about that?

Bri-Bri,

Try calling Joe Conason a repug, won't you?

Here he is questioning and critiqueing Obama on his failure to hold European Affairs sub-committee hearings in that repugathon, Salon:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2007/12/29/obama_europe/

Doesn't the timeline -- the first 100 days--seem as if Obama means he himself will "overturn" laws passed while Bush was in office? Posted by: Lynn C

DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR

here's some good news for the environment - the clean coal initiative (a contradiction in terms) has hit a roadblock - reality.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/30/business/30coal.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Did anyone see O'Reilly last night explode over msnbc"s lack of professional ethics throughout this election. He's no big Hillary fan, but it was really obvious how angry he was that a news organization could be so slanted. He objected to the way they sliced, diced (his words) and destroyed Hillary during this election, and stated the obvious: they had lost all credibility. He was practically jumping up and down, and reminded me a little of myself when I get really angry. This was no act folks.

I know a lot of people here would never listen to O'Reilly, but I started watching "fair and balanced" during this election in order to escape the propaganda.

He announced that his recent ratings are higher than msnbc and cnn combined. So I don't feel lonely over there.
A breath of fresh air.

Ally,

Thanks for your post. You're right. Obama's campaign doesn't think they
need Clinton supporters, but even many independents, especially women,
are outraged at the misogynistic, elitist environment the Obama machine
has generated. Camp Obama may soon discover that our voices do matter when Obama tries to win the general election without us.

Jeez...this crane collapse in New York is terrible! Why does this keep happening? Is this a regulatory issue?

GORDO,

Thanks for the link to the Clinton supporter's groups planning to march
outside the DNC committee meeting Saturday. Good for them! If I were
in Florida I'd join them.

Alicia,

". . .McCain inauguration." I love it!

Prof Marcia posted: " You're right. Obama's campaign doesn't think they
need Clinton supporters"

You are so right. They've been told this by their leader all along. Here's Obama, speaking in February:

"I am confident I will get her votes if I'm the nominee. It's not clear she would get the votes I got if she were the nominee."

Camp Obama may soon discover that our voices do matter when Obama tries to win the general election without us.
Posted by: prof marcia

Marcia,
They don't think much of our reasoning skills, but they do think we have short memories.

"I am confident I will get her votes if I'm the nominee. It's not clear she would get the votes I got if she were the nominee."
Posted by: Patsi

Said proudly with his usual arrogance.

Hi Chloe,

Yes! I saw the O'Reilly explosion over the way Senator Clinton has been
destroyed by the Clinton hitmen at MSNBC. It was wonderous to behold. My mom (also a Hillary supporter) and I were cheering.

Don't feel lonely as you watch Fox. I'm a lifelong Democrat and out of desperation for any news about the Clintons that seemed even remotely credible I started watching Fox. With the exception of Dick Morris, I much prefer Fox to Obama Central--MSNBC.

Dems Seek to Avoid Meltdown

"I am reliably informed that the two co-chairs of the rules committee, Alexis Herman and James Roosevelt Jr., have been working with the campaigns of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton to try to work out a compromise that would settle the matter at this weekend's meeting and avoid further bloodletting."

http://www.creators.com/opinion/roger-simon.html

When will Obama supporters face the grim reality that a large number
of Democrats and other Americans are not jumping on board the Obama
train?

Posted by: prof marcia | May 30, 2008 8:28 AM

I think at least, here on the Blog understood many many weeks ago.....

From what I am hearing here in my little peace of Tacoma, there is a migration occuring toward Obama. So the jurry is out and the bottom line will be the General.

Obama WILL sustain a loss of votes from Clinton supporters. I have no doubt. But how much of a loss will be the story of the day.

No one on the campaign is about to stop. The voter registration campaign is on going too. even in states that apear to be going to him. nothing is being left to a maybe.

It was wonderous to behold. My mom (also a Hillary supporter) and I were cheering. Posted by: prof marcia

Thanks Marcia,
I tune out when I see Morris too.

Well, AP, If that progressivedailybeacon bullshit is true, it does not appear on her site now. Since that photo doesn't appear on her site - it's the one HuffPo uses - this looks like a fabrication, although it may not be. Since PDB did not post a link to the Marsh site to "see for yourself", the only link being directly to the Haaertz article, I can only assume it is a fabricated smearjob on Taylor Marsh. Maybe someone can find it, but I can't.

Obama needs to shut these people up. Who's next?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080530/ap_on_el_pr/obama_pfleger

pogo...

I'll try later when I get home. Marsh is blocked here at work as are many of the links I go to.

In fact I'm surprised that I have access here and a few others as well which maybe some time in the future will also be blocked.

Back to work.

God Bless.

PS: I'm not trying to cause dissent, only trying to look at everything as objectively as I can even though I support Obama.

My choice is door 3 so this keeps going. I want HRC and the further it goes the better her chance. However, the DNC should seat all of FL delegates, since the GOP Gov etc put FL in this position. THe FL GOP runs the state and apparently the DNC.

"The Fox Treatment"

Years ago I was kibbutzing at Murdoch's sham attempt to create an internet portal.

One day there was a mass firing. On the next the survivors were gathered up as Murdoch himself appeared in person to assure all that he was 1000% committed to the operation, etc., and that new hires were on the way.

I looked down at the platters of sushi that had been delivered.

"See all that dead fish? That's us."

Two weeks later Murdoch achieved his real end -- he got others to invest five times the amount he had claimed to put into the biz and made a 500% profit on lending his name and brand to a sham.

Expect the same with Obama and Rupert.

Carville was on Hannity's radio show and again repeated that Hillary is winning the popular vote. Interesting is how he he came up with that. He is giving Obama the uncommited vote in MI but said you can't count Texas twice.

Good Morning 9/11 wish I could stay too...

However before I go, I have to say. Obama never recieved money from Mr Murdoch. A sound bite from Murdoch said, "Obama by a Land Slide". you know that means "Lets get Him" in republican talking point speak.....

It always puzzled me when Clinton received campaign donations from Murdoch and no one said anything.....then I accepted that this man is rich and an American citizen.

Patsi...LOL
Could you bring back a popsicle for me?

Outspoken priest caught on video ranting about Hillary at Obama's church

"Pfleger then pretended to wipe tears from his eyes. "She wasn't the only one crying, there was a whole lot of white people crying.''

Republicans have already started hitting Obama over Wright, and by Thursday had seized on Pfleger's comments.

Pfleger is a longtime Obama friend ..."

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/978604,CST-NWS-sweet30.article

I think MSNBC should go ahead and out themselves. They should give an hour of evening prime time political coverage to Trinity Church, hosted by the Reverends Wright and Pfleger. Their theme song can be "I Got 99 Problems But a Bitch Ain't One."

Obama's Church: Why Hillary Cried - Father Michael Pfleger

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H11x6bMu4Y

Sheila,

I don't know if you read the other posts in response to my earlier comments
about how many Dems and independents aren't migrating to your candidate.

But, the consensus seemed to be that we Clinton folks know all too well exactly what you wrote-- that Camp Obama has basically cut off those who aren't currently with them in order to go after the new kids on the block. Did you notice how Obama didn't even campaign in states he thought he'd lose? That doesn't seem to be a guy who is a uniter or a fighter.

Also, the hate-Clinton rhetoric has been ratcheted up several octaves recently
by Obama supporters and the media. I don't hear Obama calling for a moritorium on Clinton attacks. And just today there's another of Obama's
"acquaintances" demonizing Hillary--the ranting priest at Obama's church.

I'm sorry but I don't see Obama as showing any real muscle in trying to win over Clinton supporters or even calm the storms still raging within the party.
(I know. I know. Today, Obama quickly gave his usual "rejection of the Paster" news brief to the cable shows). But, Obama's after-the-fact excuses just seem disingenuous and hollow anymore.

Pasti: After watching that segment on CNN yesterday about Obama's first State Senate run and his determination to run unopposed by eliminating voters from the opposing candidate's petitions over technicalities, one must wonder: If he is running on the politics of Hope and Change, and that premise proves false, what does that do to his electability? He certainly can't run on experience. And I think the judgment thing is looking to be a perilous position with all of the questionable characters in his past.

I wouldn't get too lathered about the Murdoch stuff - it's from huffpo's comedy site - 23/6.

Bri-Bri Miss American Lie,

Oh. You certainly got it caught in the door on that one.

My ex-wife and I were laughing last night about something we share. We do that a lot.

We get along very well. As I do with all my former girlfriends.

And, of course, my daughter.

Hysteria IS gender-based. The word would not exist if it was not a condition that was exclusively associated with women.

Here is the 1913 Webster's definition of the word:

"A nervous affection, occurring almost exclusively in women, in which the emotional and reflex excitability is exaggerated, and the will power correspondingly diminished, so that the patient loses control over the emotions, becomes the victim of imaginary sensations, and often falls into paroxysm or fits."

That word is NEVER used by therapists or psychiatrists to diagnose anything.

Oh, yeah --

And pot is not a drug.

And narcissists NEVER admit they are wrong.

Prof marica,

I know you feel its nasty out there. Myself, I see a bunch of hurt people seeing ghost that for the most part are not there.

I think Obama wants you, but you also have free will. Time heals or not. Your choice. That is not nasty or mean or abusive. just the way it is.

Besides which, Me myself and I. I tried to talk about it and was met with serious slam....not about to go there again. I want to respect ya'lls wishes and I'm sure Obama has felt enough of it to keep back for a while.

So we have a catch 22 sitch for now.

Time for the shower!

Just in case anyone missed it - the derivation of hysteric [al, etc.]

[From Latin hystericus, hysterical, from Greek husterikos, from huster, womb (from the former idea that disturbances in the womb caused hysteria).]

Not gender based? Really? I was just looking for my womb last night, and damn, I couldn't find it.

Pogo: I have one you can borrow. I'm tired of hauling the damn thing around anyway.

Now, who missed what?

Bri-Bri,

I know you're no expert at reading comprehension but try this one, poopsie --

Those of you who think that hysteria and hysterectomy may be related are correct. One who is hysterical has the roots of one's behavior in one's womb, etymologically speaking. This seems to limit hysteria to people who have wombs: women! That is originally what the word hysteric referred to, "a neurotic condition in women" that was also known as "the vapours". It was thought to be rooted in disturbances in the womb, an idea that went all the way back to ancient Greece. Of course, we now know that that is not the case, and hysteric can apply to anyone. It entered English in the mid-17th century from French hysterique. The ultimate source is Greek hustera "womb".

The word hysteria was coined in the early 19th century as a noun form of hysteric. The Latin uterus is related.

And to honor you, Bri-Bri, I just submitted that neologism that's all you to Merriam-Webster's committee that considers new words for their future editions:

IgnorANUS.

Sheila

"From what I am hearing here in my little peace of Tacoma, there is a migration occuring toward Obama. So the jurry is out and the bottom line will be the General."

Half the state population could sit home and it would still be blue. There is not wa short of some totally explosive scandal or Mount Ranier wiping out the west coast (and maybe not then) that WA would go Republican. No change in the electoral map.

Thanks, Ally, but from what I've seen in the perimenopausal women I know, love, and sypathize with, I'll pass. (It's hot in here, it's cold in here...)

Aw, Bri --

Why did you never tell us how many of your clients as a dealer of so many drugs you damaged?

Well, we know why, don't we?

You're always the victim, never the abuser or victimizer.

Dick Docked!

New Yorkers really are provincial. The crane collapse is very sad, but hours of coverage? There is absolutely nothing of any importance happening anywhere else in the world?

What's happened to Joe Scarborough?

Pogo. FINE! I try to offer you something and you refuse. Jeez.

9/11, RFLMAO

Ally, how 'bout considering a trade - your womb for my prostate? We'll see who has trouble first. LOL

Larry Sinclair interview from DC.

http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_L_Sinclair_052908.mp3

Better Selection - TCM - Court Jester

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6OYGEoWKYk

Pogo: OK. Never mind. Forget I said anything.

Nah, Bri-Bri.

However, I deeply envy your life of dogs, drugs and Depends as does all humanity.

Ally, I thought so. (Chuckling almost uncontrollably).

But Jamie,

The trend is this tremendous voter registration going on in the background. They are here too and they don't care about the fact that washingto is blue.

There are a lot of Clinton people here. You don't think that after a period of time these people won't be paid the attention they deserve?

I'm going to be campaigning in a state that may be blue, but it didn't go overwhelmingly Obama. there is still a lot of locking hands to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3SRIfn1XM4

jamie,

Let's not insult terriers. (Even the ones which are terrierists.)

Ever go to a zoo when they kept its monkeys in cages?

Ever watch what those poor monkeys do?

They hurled their crap at everyone passing by.

Welcome to his monkeyhouse.

Yeah Jamie...my Soft-Coated Wheaten Terriers are getting their feelings hurt with all of these terrier insults!

Sheila,

The California migrants aren't going to vote for McCain. The Clinton people were badly bullied at the caucuses but they aren't going to vote for McCain.

Even the military is upset with Bush and they aren't wild about McCain either (May be some sitting on hands there).

That only leaves the far right proponents from the eastern side of the state and I think even they are pissed at Bush.

what about jackal or hyena?

sturgeone,

I'll go with Gollum for him.

Ally,

You've got Wheatens?????

Hooray for all of you!!!!!!!!!!!

9/11, that is quite the enigma to contemplate, indeed. Its circularity is dizzying.

Ally,

I'm sure your terriers are neither rabid nor badly behaved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvUN98j1H8M&feature=related

LOL THanks for the dissertation on Washington State.

I care about all of the poeple who feel disenfranchised. So if you don't mind, I'll still be helping to register voters and talk to people. This has been a hard primary. Every little bit counts. Even in a blue state.

9/11: Yes, I have two. Hubbell and Katie (and I know you will get the meaning of their names!)

Jamie,

I used to sing the Court Jester's lullaby "I'll Take You Dreaming" as part of my nightly 60 to 90 minute bedtime concert for Miss Birdies.

Kaye was the greatest Jewish Irish tenor ever from Brooklyn. I often wish that he had gotten cast as the singing waiter dad in Kazan's excellent A Tree Grows In Brooklyn movie. People forget what an outstanding dramatic actor he was in Skokie, in Me and the Colonel and, particularly, in The Madwoman of Chaillot (for which he earned -- the word -- a Best Supporting Actor nomination).

What did people here sing to their kids when they were small?

(I just remembered at least two other Danny Kaye songs I'd sing to her at bedtime -- "Inchworm" and "The Red Pennies" lullaby. There were a lot more we'd sing together in the morning and the afternoon and all day long...)

Jamie: I just played that for them and they could barely lift their heads off the floor to review. This is serious, serious nap time. BTW: They are not rabid but, they can be pretty naughty at times.

pogo,

It's the local version of the chicken and the rotten egg.

Hey

Quote of the day:

""That was Chicago politics," said John Kass, a veteran Chicago Tribune columnist. "Knock out your opposition, challenge their petitions, destroy your enemy, right? It is how Barack Obama destroyed his enemies......................."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/29/obamas.first.campaign/index.html

Want the Chicago machine
to run the nation?

I don't think so!!!

Good news!!!
For the divided government movement.
Mississippi
Race for senate
Democrat ahead!!!
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_senate_elections/mississippi/mississippi_senate_musgrove_d_47_wicker_r_46

Lots of split tickets
Go Mississippi.

Friends don't let friends vote a split ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

Ally,

I just emailed the fellow who wrote the movie about your Wheatens. (The original for his Hubbell was Farley Granger. He was Katie. Hell, he is Katie more than even Streisand was. He's also 90, just directed the best Gypsy ever on Bway and announced that next year he will stage the best and only true production of West Side Story Broadway has ever seen.)

And I'll consider Hubbell and Katie another worthy tribute to Sydney Pollock's old fashioned goodness.

I love They Shoot Horses Don't They. I like his other films, too. But to me... he was among he best character actors of my lifetime. (So good his work in Eyes Wide Shut almost justifies the movie's existence.)

Another crane collapsed in the neighborhood. So far one dead.

In April Bloomberg's Buildings Commish was forced to resign over a series of lethal construction disasters.

It would be better if that entire industry got taken apart and screwed back together without the mob and without bureaucratic corruption.

Third term, Mike, city charter or no city charter? Start there. This is your neighborhood, too -- both for your townhouse and for Gracie Mansion.

First there was When Good Animals Go Bad.

Then there was When Nature Goes Bad.

And now the NYT features When Columnists Turn Into Bloggers Responding To Each Other's Posts.

The horror. The horror.

http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/29/the-conversation/index.html?hp

Will Clinton supporters come around to Obama if he
is the nominee?

As per Pew Research Poll released 5-29-08:

Clinton Backers cool to Obama-- White female support in question

Obama's image among white women declines

43% of white women have a positive opinion of Obama down from 56% in late February.

Among independent voters Obama's favorable ratings
have fallen to 49% from 62% in late February.

"Obama's slipping image is in some measure a negaitve reaction from frustrated Clinton's supporters."

Now, 46% of Clinton supporters say they will unite behind Obama, if he is nominee. In March, it was 58%.

McCain's personal image is also more negative since February as well---48% favorable; 45% negative now.
Late February it was 50% favorable v 39% negative.

McCain & Obama are now supported evenly among independents (44% to 44%)

McCain now leads Obama among white women (49% to 41%)

http://people-press.org/reports/print.php3?PageID=1315

...Horses... What a wonderful movie.

9/11: You just made me cry with your post. You have no idea the meaning this has to me. I saw The Way We Were at a drive-in when I was 4 years old. I have probably seen it 50 times since then (I can recite the entire movie from memory). It's my all-time favorite movie. And your news of West Side Story is amazing.

Sydney Pollack was such a loss. Out of Africa is another one of my favorites as well as They Shoot Horses Don't They. And that scene in Tootsie with Hoffman and the tomato discussion is classic.

I am a big, big movie buff and so is my best friend. Whenever we are on the phone (she lives in Washington), and we are describing someone new to each other, we always say, "Who would play her (or him)?" It's the only way to get a handle on the story!

I would love to send you a photo of Hubbell and Katie and thank you again for your kind words. I am flabbergasted.

For my children rocking for bed got them this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqYmjTaQI4k

In English

Ally,

If you haven't, you might want to read his memoir "Original Story By". It's honest and ornery just like he is and always has been.

I've heard a ton of stories about the Bernstein/Laurents/Robbins collaboration over West Side Story -- an amazing mess and cauldron of rage and egos. It was very helpful that Sondheim came in to cover for Bernstein who was also the main lyricist. He also served as a balance to the longstanding resentments among the original creators.

How much was he valued? Bernstein gave Sondheim his FULL lyricist's share of royalties despite being the author of a third of the lyrics used in the show including just about all the pop hits.. ("Cool", "Tonight", "Maria", "One Hand, One Heart".)

He later regretted losing the money. But it made Sondheim a very wealthy young writer who could afford to stop being a lyricist for hire and develop as the best composer/lyricist of the last sixty years.

Probably the next sixty, too.

9/11: Ordering the book as we type!

jamie,

I grew up with slightly different version of All Through The Night.

It was sung a cappella by The Cadet Glee Club of West Point. My dad had gone there after years of piloting landing craft during beach invasions in the Navy. Even though he (in true family fashion) cut kicked out for not following the rules, he remains deeply attached to the Point.

He'll understand me if I like the approach you favor more than the one those long ago Cadets took.

However, I'm stickin' to their Goodbye My Coney Island Baby.

Minty fresh in here.

Clinton Campaign Statement on Father Pfleger Comments

"The Clinton campaign's communications director, Howard Wolfson, clearly thinks Obama's rejection of Father Pfleger's sermon was lacking.

Wolfson says: "Divisive and hateful language like that is totally counterproductive in our efforts to bring our party together and have no place at the pulpit or in our politics. We are disappointed that Senator Obama didn't specifically reject Father's Pflegler's despicable comments about Senator Clinton, and assume he will do so."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/clinton-campa-1.html

My lullaby song was Carly Simon: Love of My Life:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyEpvPuSNVE

I still say to each of my boys every night, "From the moment I first saw you, from the second that you were born, I knew you were the love of my life."

pogo,

I think one of the many reasons "Horses" never loses its power is the basic story.

It is a very basic story. Nothing is sentimentalized in it.

And that may be because the novel on which it was based was written by a man who wrote literally dozens of B movie scripts for living.

I found a copy of it at a library in Queens in the late 70's and read it on the spot.

It is the opposite of a studio story.

And the script is faithful to it in character, plotlines and dialogue.

One other thing I remember about it -- the author used the James L. Cain trick of really ragging all the copy to the right to make things feel more naturalistic than the writing may have achieved on its own.

Ally and Jamie,

Here's a download of the Tony voter's sampler from the unreleased cast album of Arthur Laurents' new Gypsy production starring Patti Lupone and Laura Benante.

http://www.mediafire.com/?rmltnnzyjkt

"Goodbye My Coney Island Baby."

Oh we had a whole routine. All through the Night was the last for droopy eyelinds.

Then there was this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCHKw7tcOAs

Minty fresh in here.

Posted by: 9/11 survivor (sort of) | May 30, 2008 10:44 AM

....Why Thank You!

Such a sweet, underrated remake of The Shop Around The Corner.

Others here included "Til There Was You", "When I'm 64", "Me And My Arrow", "Lida Rose", "Two Of Us", "Simon Smith and His Amazing Dancing Bear" and probably fifty more.

You always smell clean and fresh, Chef Sheila Who Should Lose Her Nun Status ASAP.

Why not?

You are.

9/11: I am downloading it right now. I adore Patti Lupone and am so happy for her. I would have loved to see it when we were in NYC for Elton John but obviously that was not possible!

Everything's Coming Up Roses! Listening to it right now! Fabulous!

Ally,

There is a terrific collaboration between Laurents and Lupone.

That production began as a semi-concert staging.

Lupone never jumps into roles with some idee fixe about who her character will be.

That's why she got treated so miserably by Lloyd Webber in Sunset Boulevard: she was not happy with doing a slightly dialed down version of Carol Burnett's Gloria Swanson.

Last summer Lupone's Mama Rose had a jarring Louise Brooks wig and an errant sense of why she was doing what she was doing.

Now... audiences completely understand a very complex and complicated mother.

One of the advantages of making it to ninety is both knowing you haven't all the time in the world... and to know that things still must happen only in the fullness of time if they are to reach a real fulfillment.

Minister Farrakhan Loves Father Pfleger

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0VNZvmespok

"THe FL GOP runs the state and apparently the DNC."Posted by: jsruby8 | May 30, 2008 9:23 AM

So true! Amend DNC to FLDP.That's one of the reasons FL elections are always a bunch of crap and the rest of us have to smell it every four years.

We've had a Rep controlled congress here in WA over the years, but our State party has control of our Democratic elections. Another reason for caucuses. FL could of held a caucus back in January or last month. But they would rather put everyone in a lurch. It's a game they play for attention Problem is we (DP) are all the losers.

Rez,

That makes more sense than just about everything else I've read about this crap.

And it also puts the rationale for so many Democratic caucases in GOP-run states into a brighter light.

9/11: Amazing, just amazing. Thank you for another wonderful story.

Just finished "Some People." Lovin' it.

How weird is it for someone like Laurents to realize that he is part of the vernacular? That people name their DOGS after his characters? It makes my brain hurt to comprehend it.

Father Michael Pfleger defends Reverend Wright

http://youtube.com/watch?v=x1g_a53cyBk&feature=relateda

Ally,

For a number of years we both were clients of the same outstanding agent.

Laurents has an absolute grasp on his affect on all sorts of popular culture.

Including a few things that haven't happened yet...

I think being pissed off can, for some temperaments and metabolisms, lead to a long and brilliant life.

But for most people it just leads to their staying very pissed.

I thought this Larry issue was put to rest, but I guess he's back.

Ferraro On Phony Race Cards, Sexism and Fed-Up Women

"Geraldine Ferraro sure is in touch with how the insulted women of America feel and how little chance Barack Obama has of realizing his “confidence” in “bringing the party together”. She also has a realistic grasp of how sick and tired we are of seeing the Race Card played as a diversionary tactic."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/30/ferraro-on-phony-race-cards-sexism-and-fed-up-women/

Anybody listen to the interview. Who is doing the interview?

LS to FBI in DC on FRI

I hope everyone understands the Obama campaign has NOT taken the high road in discouraging their supporters from participating in the protests tomorrow for the Rules Committee Meeting. They brag if that is what they wanted, it would be a simple matter of a click of the mouse - this from a campaign that prides itself on crowd building and shows of strength. The reason is they do not want a sea of Afri-Americans there because they are still trying to not make this LOOK like he's the black candidate, when in fact he gets 91% of the black vote in all the states. He would not be where he is without that demographic, the eggheads demographic, and college kids.

I don't believe what this guy is saying. This could get ugly.

Larry is trying to get a press pass to get into the meeting tomorrow. This could become a circus.

vadaryl,

For all those who remember old gas station logos, Larry is the new Sinclair dinosaur.

http://www.price-oil.com/Pictures/Sinclair%20Logo_1.jpg

I'm listening to the Ferraro interview right now. It's being done be Greta von Sustern(sp) on CNN.

It's in depth and extremely well done. Should be mandatory listening for people on both sides of the fence.

Sheila,

You using that minty fresh shower gell again?

9/11, Horses was one of those first very powerful movies that left lasting impressions on me. Plus I was fascinated with the marathon dancing/cycling events of the depression. I was racing bicycles when I saw it about 4 years after it came out initially, so making the connection between the events made it a natural draw for me. I saw it and "The Discreet Charms of the Bourgoisie" at a double feature - I still remember being completely exhausted afterward.

Ally & 9/11

Laurents was responsible for so many hours of pleasure and incite. Thanks for the download.

For all Tony fans, I have a link on my blog side bar to all the goings on

http://jdurward.blogspot.com

Nancy Polosi…now that is a rational, sane, intelligent woman in which I can truly believe. Thank God there is one out there in politics today who is not so condescending and full of themselves. Nancy says this insane maneuvering WILL NOT go to the convention, and if Nancy says it…it won’t happen.

If HillBill had been so intelligent they would not have been so over confident and unwise to have wasted all of their money before Super Tuesday, and they would have kept BJ home behind closed doors (probably with a broad). Bye, bye HillBill. Nancy, you go girl!!!!

pogo,

I love late Bunuel -- and I miss double features like that one.

But to feel completely exhausted, I only have to tune in here for a few hours!

If you'd like I can try to post a download of Kander & Ebb's underrated marathon dance musical Steel Pier.

How did you get into bicycle racing??

All these stories about Michelle Malkin's attacks on Dunkin' Donuts for Rachel Ray wearing a paisley scarf Malkin called "a keffiyah". (Did she also call the styrofoam container Ray was holding "a cup of Keffiyah"?)

What's funny is Rachel Ray's much publicized attacks within the ad industry on Dunkin' Donuts coffee while on the sets of the commercial shoots.

Me... I like it. It hasn't returned yet to that peanutish aroma and taste... but that seems to be a bit restored.

"Fr. Michael Pfleger and Barack Obama have been CLOSE for over TWO DECADES. Lynn Sweet of the Chicago Sun-Times confirmed this on Greta’s Fox News show last night.

BARACK OBAMA’s chief strategist and “kingmaker” is David Axelrod. What board does David Axelrod sit on? Why, the fundraising board for the Catholic church run by that extremist, radical, racist priest, Fr. Michael Pfleger."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/30/saint-sabina-raises-the-roof-on-obamas-den-of-political-tricks-and-corruption-2/

Did I really spell insight as incite .... brain short circuit

Hey Karlobagofhate

Nancy Pelosi is quoted last week saying Clinton "can still win this thing"

You are the dumbest of the dumb Obama supporters
You must be one of Fr Hate Whitey's parishoners

You think Pelosit is going to save Obama's campaign you are just another Obama moron

Every time I see the Rachel Ray story on the news, I just want to eat a big ole doughnut. Me thinks that was the point!

9/11, I worked in a bicycle shop as a part time job when I was a senior in college - bicycle mechanic by day, pizza delivery by night. I sort of just fell into bike racing because I had a lot of friends who were into bicycles at the time - mostly the British, French and Italian imports of the early/mid 70s - and we rode a lot. I had been a cross country runner in HS and stil ran a lot in addition to cycling with my buds, and this was before there were many citizen running events, but the active bike scene in T-town held races about monthly. It was a fun competitive outlet. DOH had finished maybe 12 miles of I-59 between Tuscaloosa and Meridien, MS but it stopped at a river crossing without a bridge, and we would go out and use that section of road as a car free training track.

Love to see Steel Pier.

And for my next trick .... lunch.

Talk Left is live blogging a Clinton call on the rules committee now
Here is the link

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/30/112938/685

The front page of this morning's Times carries an interesting feature on Sen McCain's last few years in the Navy when he served as a congressional liaison officer. I found the discussion of his relationship with Texas Sen John Tower especially interesting. Tower was a reserve master chief petty officer and McCain a senior captain marked for flag rank.

I get the print edition and the article is very impressive.

Here's the link to the web edition:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/29/us/politics/29mccain.html?hp

Karolenna,

I admit that Pelosi was up against more than the usual impediments a Speaker with the barest of majorities encounters due to the nature of the Bush White House.

But do you feel and think truly that she has done enough of the job she promised to do and that the Dem majority was elected to pursue?

I wish she had done better than my reading over the past 15 months would indicate she's done.

Perhaps things will change should there be a stronger Democratic majority. Speaker Pelosi has the intelligence -- intellect and street smarts -- to help restore the Constitutional strengths and responsibilities of the Congress.

I also like to remind people that she is not a product of the SF liberal political and social culture; instead, she's an inheritor of the most powerful political machine in Baltimore.

pogo,

Here is the original cast recording of Steel Pier.

The female lead is Karen Ziemba, her partner/marathon promoter is Gregory Harrison, the dead pilot is Daniel MacDonald, another dancer is the great Debra Monk (co-creator of Pump Boys and Dinettes) and Kristen Chenowith is Precious McGuire.

http://rapidshare.com/files/103218226/steel.rar

Nancy Pelosi and the Burton machine do not represent
"San Francisco Values" The man she beat Harry Britt is a better example. Pelosi worked for Olgivy and Mather as a lobbyist before becoming a member of Congress, Mr. Pelosi's family is very wealthy including building ski resorts --the most environmentally unconscious kind of development.

But Obama people cannonize even the biggest creeps if they support Mr. O

Bob Dole's letter to Scott McClellan:

"In my nearly 36 years of public service I've known of a few like you," Dole writes, recounting his years representing Kansas in the House and Senate. "No doubt you will 'clean up' as the liberal anti-Bush press will promote your belated concerns with wild enthusiasm. When the money starts rolling in you should donate it to a worthy cause, something like, 'Biting The Hand That Fed Me.' Another thought is to weasel your way back into the White House if a Democrat is elected. That would provide a good set up for a second book deal in a few years"

Sigh. So true. If only Scott could have gotten himself both your Viagra deal and your Pepsi spot with Brit-Brit, none of this would have ever happened.

The Obama campaign is apologizing for Father Coughlin jr but it's just more of the same crap coming out of Obama people

Uniter?-the Obama campaign is driving people farther and farther apart.

The pulpit of Obama's Church has been the place of the most vile personal attacks on the Clinton;s

flatus,

"Over time, Captain McCain also became a minor political player in his own right, sometimes working against the Navy’s official position under the Carter administration. To agitate for laws boosting military pay, former aides said, Mr. McCain steered senators on a trip to Norfolk, Va., toward Navy seamen collecting food stamps."

And today -- given his rejection of Jim Webb's updated GI Bill -- would he have pulled a Dickens and expressed this?

http://lancemannion.typepad.com/lance_mannion/2005/12/are_there_no_pr.html

OOp's double post, sorry folks.

Just a question, where do these very strange priests and ministers come from.

Obama's camp must have the padlock for the insane asylum

There sure are a lot of apologies coming out of both camps.

However... with the exception of what happened with HRC's NH co-chair... most of what Hillary has apologized for has come out of her own mouth or, of course, her hubby Billabuster.

I will restate what I have said before: everything and everyone who announces, soi-disant, that they are new and a vast improvement over what has preceded 'em by their own freaking say-so is a con artist... even if they are also conning themselves.

It is so easy to apologize -- and does nothing to reduce the damage done by the act or the remarks.

The trick in life is to avoid doing and saying the things you're going to wind up apologizing for in the first place.

"No one chased anyone away or suggested they no longer post. You are free to make your case."

Be damned!!!!!!!!!!!! Let's see if this gets through the Craig Crawford scrutinizing or his sidekicks who seem to monitor if you are a pro-Billary supporter. I’ve posted at least a couple of times only to be told it will be checked before posting. NEVER HAVE SEEN ANY POSTINGS I’VE MADE. One was about the pathological liars called the Clintons detailing many of their lies. Never made it. I kept waiting and waiting…never showed up. It is for damned sure that Craig Crawford is for the bitch that will destroy the Democratic Party before she will go down to defeat and it is for damned sure that Craig Crawford and others will never be ones who ever show up on any of my media resources. Never again. I used to respect you. No more!!

Yes, I was “chased away” because I do not agree with the majority of you Billary posters on here. I say damn you and her to hell.

Maybe this post will make it!! But I don’t bet on it!!

Craig gives these little “Captcha’s” you must copy, but when you copy them exactly as they are shown on screen, you never get posted. I will not “sign up” for any forums or blogs ever again because I did once for years on another forum and had some moron from SW Kansas post under my name. I don’t need to tell you the rest.

How deficient does one need to be mentally to destroy a political party to which they are a part of unless they are the “winner”. She can go to God Damn Hell and I hope she and feel for sure that she and BJ will.

Posted by: Karolenna | March 29, 2008 11:09 PM

"If only Scott could have gotten himself both your Viagra deal and your Pepsi spot with Brit-Brit, none of this would have ever happened."- 9/11

Or perhaps:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWib8GbrIlA

9/11,

I think the contention on the GI Bill revolved primarily on the timing of the benefits. Should the maximum benefit be granted immediately after the initial enlistment, or should there be graduated increases for periods of extended service?

Personally, I tend to side with the latter position because it tends to balance force management issues with the rewards of wartime service provided by a grateful nation.

Webb tended towards the more populist view. Strong cases can be made for both the approaches as well as a third variant that was also proposed.

FWIW, the plight of enlisted members with families was dramatically worse in the early 70s than it is now.

She can go to God Damn Hell and I hope she and feel for sure that she and BJ will.

Posted by: Karolenna

Wow.

So much new theology, so little time.

Reading Karolenna is like visiting an insane asylum just to watch the inmates cavort.

She is a one woman production of Marat Sade

9/11, seems a foul breeze has blown that minty freshness away. btw, thanks for the steelpier download, or upload, or whateverload.

REVEALED: Axelrod’s Links to Pfleger and the Freakshow

"To this day, the press corps, in Chicago and nationally, has not done basic reporting on Obama’s ties to the Nation of Islam despite repeated reports that he has hired members of the hate group for his campaign and Senate Office and that Farrakhan has been one of his most important political props in South Chicago from the start of his political career."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/30/revealed-axelrod%e2%80%99s-links-to-pfleger-and-the-freakshow/

I may have put this up before, but it is so much fun to watch the product of a great computer programmer. Turn on your speakers and do nothing but look

http://producten.hema.nl/

keeper - dog is not a troll. She has been a long time member in good standing of the Crawford insane asylum.

9/11; 12:30,

I am going to assume you are from NYC.

When I lived there people were very tolerant and forgiving. My question is... when are people going to forgive Hillary for what Bill did. After all it was just a BJ using the closest available mutt, he didn't pee on the Lincoln Memorial or anything, It's sort of quieting to have a relaxed finger on the trigger.

I know that it won't happen with BO because MO has him so neutered that he couldn't be a hound dog if he tried. But God is it really worth it . Take a good look at the video of Pfleger at Trinity, these are the people he surrounds himself with (pay attention Karolenna, Bill shouldn't have
apologized, he should have told Ken Starr's people to FO emphatically). Think what the cabinet will look like.

First thing I ever heard about David Axelrod was a few descriptions calling him the Democrat's Karl Rove.

As all the Dems had running campaigns at that time were Bob Shrum and Donna Brazille... that was taken to be a good thing.

A few days ago Bri-Bri gleefully projected Axelrod as Obama's White House Chief of Staff.

I may be wrong but I think to Axelrod power is money and not position.

I think he'll move onto the next eight hundred consulting gigs.

In that regard... he'd be different than Rove.

But he certainly is as disarming on TV as Rove is... in that similar enough charming, disingenuous way.

This is a quite good analysis of how Sen. Obama used the DNC rules regarding the way delegates are tallied to defeat Sen. Clinton even in states that she won. He took full advantage of the totally undemocratic system created by the party.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20080530/Obama.Strategy/

jamie, what a great adsite.

Any new news on Larry Sinclair. I read that he was suppose to have a news conference this afternoon.

politicallypissed,

It doesn't seem to be about forgiveness at all.

It seems to be about exploitation of anything which can be decried about her.

So damn sad (and not terribly funny) to recall how she was mocked and belittled for her stand by your man remarks in 1992 --

To stand by her marriage -- her family -- with its public flaws and private assets now becomes the bullseye in the public toilet.

People fight for love, people fight for marriages without having only cynical agendas or masochistic tendencies.

What a cynical, miserable nation we have become with Madame La Farges of either sex ranting and knitting and knitting and ranting.

"But he certainly is as disarming on TV as Rove is... in that similar enough charming, disingenuous way."

The darting forked tongue is a bit of a distraction.

Flatus

Can we try to keep the name calling to a minimum? We all may want to talk to each other again once the war is over.

Does anybody know the time difference or PR and the east cost?

Hardly name calling, Jamie.

Get rid of your irritability and frustration

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080522/MULTI/80522108/1048/SPORTS

My top score: 292.3

Puerto Rico is on East Coast time.

It is 1:24 PM there now.

"After all it was just a BJ using the closest available mutt,"-PP

I admit I've been on Slick's case for socializing with the help (sexual harassment at a minimum), but this is a little extreme imo.

"Any new news on Larry Sinclair"-daryl

Last I saw, was him and G Man going down the road in a Limo.rofl

jamie,

264.8

I can never make par but you scored the birdie.

BBC America is running the fully restored Monty Pythons Flying Circus. Two episodes are on at 8:00 tonight

NelsonDecker,

I'm sure he's, um, nice enough.

911,

Do you a find a difference in her standing by her man for family reasons as opposed to personal future political considerations or are those ultimately the same ?

Here is the Wiki on Pfleger. As with most people a mixture of good deeds and bad associations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Pfleger

And some background on his political activities that have gotten him reprimanded before

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/05/pfleger_warned_about_pulpit_po.html

rezdog,

How uncomplicated a life is yours?

Tolstoy made a famously Manichean first sentence in his Anna Karenina about the universality of happy families compared with the uniqueness of unhappy ones.

I've met a few of both groups.

I've also met many more who swim in currents from both the happy and unhappy coasts.

Do you really suppose she stayed with him for that one reason?

Do you really suppose he would not have walked away from her into a life of his own?

Anon-paranoid; 05/29...

Sorry I didn't get back to you yesterday, have only just returned to my desk.

Regarding the current administration(?) I think they are an abomination, I firmly believe that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice should be standing in the Hague charged with war crimes.

As for the right wingnuts of the Republikans, I thought this admins. God was oil, and money. Didn't some David(can't remember his last name)??? leave the White because he was so disallusioned with the lack of religiosity.

It broke my heart when the Supreme Court put Bush in, but if you want to speak of disgusting personalities, how about Scalia(hunting with Cheney)in Louisiana.

I was hoping that maybe now there would be a chance to clean up the Bush disaster zone, but it won't be done by some self-aggrandizing, fledgling, change spouting neophyte. It's going to require compromise and lots of it. Bush's war of choice, the economy, the gas prices, the mortgage meltdown. How can you effect change with these things if all your time is spent putting out race fires.

I am not young and don't have a lot of time to waste on training day. I want things better NOW.

Hope you understand the rant.

Who's the G Man Gordon Liddie?

Father Pfleger
Said in his rant that the white people say they are responsible for their ancestors, - He says " you have benefitted from your ancestors, you have benefitted from slavery".

In Obama book -dreams of my father, he does not say that in fact his white family, the maternal line had slaves.
Obama wants the white people to feel guilt about the black race. Another fact,.... Obama is not black........ Black has come to mean african american descendants of black slaves. His ancestry is white on mothers side documented back to 1600.. His fathers side traces back to Arab ancestry who were in fact Slave Traders. Obama wants the black people to think he is black, however, to play the race card..
His decendancy is white on maternal side and Arab on fathers side..

His ancestry has been douments and is available on a source you can see. www.warg.com/political. CLick under U S political figures - then under senator. It has also been documented on ancestry. But unless you have an account you cannot have access. The sites there are having heavy traffic.. You can see the information on slavery in his family on census records in 1800 's and back to 1790-slavery records were kept..
While many families had slaves, including portions of my own. There is nothing we can do about that, nor should we feel ashamed.
Mr Obama and Father Pfleger should admit Obama's ancestry before railing against other people about slavery...
The author of this particular genealogy was also aided by the New England genealogical society. And if they say the line is correct, you can bank on it. NEGS is one of the most documented and prestious genealogical sites..
I am a historian and genealogist. If you wish I can provide the census records from ancestry.
Julie

9/11,

Rhetorical as a was, my life has been like most; in both the currents, but I never had those kind of ambitions or walked in those public of circles..

I think both are extreme political people, calculating the next election and will/would do whatever with that in mind.

9:30 AM east coast. CNN carrying live

The Long Island Bigot is at it again...

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/05/30/healing_the_wounds_of_democrats_sexism/

What is cnn carrying live at 9:30 AM east coast. Tomorrow's meetings?

"Who's the G Man Gordon Liddie?"

vadaryl,

Never thought of it, but I think you may be onto something.

G Man is my nickname for Gordo, although I always think of those Japanese monster movies when I see his posts, GORDO. :)

I will be brief since I crushed a couple of fingertips in my garage door this morning...

Someone commented earlier that Obama can't be a hope and change candidate because he was his state senate seat by litigating the validity of the signatures from the other candidate's registration petitions.

What is wrong with making sure your opponents abide by the rules? If he didn't have cause, would he have been successful in his challenges? He saw a threat, he was proactive in addressing that threat and was victorious because of it. Isn't that what we want in a leader?

After all, Clinton misread and ultimately underestimated her biggest threat. When she realized what it was, she was slow to address the threat and when she ultimately tried to, used methods that drove more supporters away from her instead of to her.

correction

www.wargs.com

BHO genealogy line. As well as many other politicians.

Tomorrow could be a real circus at the meeting if the Rev. Manning and Rev. Wright both show up along with Larry Sinclair. Remember Wright canceled his Philly appearance.

I think what we'll witness is the ugly death spasms of the Clinton campaign. And even though I'm an Obama supporter, I have a feeling that this display will make even Clinton supporters feel queasy. Think out of control Clinton partisans banging on windows like Republican staffers in 2000.

rez,

The lives of people who advance into power become distorted things too often.

Partnerships either become increasingly engrossed in the goal of one (or both if they are shared) or become increasingly compartmentalized and limited.

There have been plenty of distracting marriages among this year's candidates on all sorts of levels... from the Guilianis to the McCains to the Kuciniches to even the Obamas.

The more public and assertive the spouse is, the more peccable that spouse and marriage become in public pronouncements.

The first for that was Rosalynn Carter.

Betty Ford was not seen as a peccable person even with her brave admission about her substance abuse problem.

Carter was seen as a usurper of power.

(I remember how, due to that, both Warren Beatty and Jack Nicholson later revealed big crushes on her.)

As the media and the public changed, HRC became all sorts of icons to all sorts of believer and detractors.

In my business a lot of bad things get said about the less powerful spouses of more famous mates...

And the reasons for the marriages or relationships lasting get decried as being for the same one for which Hillary gets condemned -- ambition, deals for power, etc., etc.

That happens on different scales in most marriages: compromise is rarely a thing with neutral, passive outcomes.

It all comes down to... go figure.

308 for me

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

hey, i was wondering.....bho the man of change,ending partisan bickering, working together, etc, etc. why wont he go to iraq with mccain? seems to me he missed a great oportunity to 'walk the walk' .
i was surprized that he didn't use this as an example of his great powers to unite.

I actually think GF speaks for a latent racism that hovers within the liberal ranks. I think it's pretty unrealistic that when you have a bohemian coalition party like ours, that everyone will get along all of the time. But often, our issues are just below the surface. White women resenting black men has been with this country was founded. And countless black men have been killed by the mere mention of disrespecting white women, so there's an antipathy. GF simply articulates a lot of thoughts that a lot of white women on this blog don't want to acknowledge. For that, I'm grateful, because she helps take away the lie that irrational behavior is justified by anything but bigotry.

Julie

Bit of a correction to the WARGS site. It is fun reading if you are into genealogy

http://www.wargs.com/political/

They will, but they won't care. Think about it. Have the Clinton's ever cared about anything but themselves?

Mr Democrat aka Mr. I am a big fat as-h-le

You continue the tradition of demeaning women of any color

Nelson Decker,

Why would you go on a trip to Iraq with a Senator who openly hates you and will try to mock you as the dumb little dreamer instead of the adult who wants to win?

Would you want to be on a plane with Joe Lieberman for all that time being lectured about how he is anti Jewish even though he isn't the one appearing with Rev. Hagee at an upcoming event?

The only thing going to Iraq with McCain does is give McCain a ton more free publicity than he would otherwise get.

You should realize that the person who offers the debate or joint appearance suggestion is the one who needs it more.

No reason for supporting Obama
It's all about Clinton hatred
and clearly it comes from the sexually deficient
can't "get any" so jealous of Bubba
oh right except what you get from yourself

Haven't been following the news today....

Has she dropped out yet? : )

Hi all!

Bear,

It wasn't what he did as much as the way he did it. His minions descended and went through all the petitions line by line and even through out thoses where the INTENT was obvious (i.e. printing instead of signing). The other candidates were working right up to the deadline trying to replace those thrown out with one coming up only 69 signers short when filing time ran out.

It was a case of using the rules to destroy your opponents particularly one that was much more popular that he was.

Nothing illegal at all, but his campaign is upset about it being shown because it doesn't mesh with his nobler than thou image of change he has been promoting for months.

He is just one more ambitious, willing to do anything, sharp elbowed politician employing a well known shark in Axelrod. He may be a good man who will do good things, but don't expect him to be better than he has been in the past.

You know what I love about posting on this blog? That is seeing the aftermath that follows a post especially when the HillBills don’t agree with it. Mind you, I do not believe the troll comments are all coming from a male species, if you get my drift? If they bothered me, I'd be gone. But, whatever!!

As for what my posts contain, I've read many on here that would not pass any test on any blog, so get over yourself for calling the kettle black.

Go Obama! Win and beat the old, old man who can't remember his name half of the time, who we are actually fighting, and put the woman in her place where she can serve forever so we will never, ever hear of her in a campaign again. Never. Kapute!

Actually, I'm not running for anything so I can say this, but Father Coughlin's comments were right on as far as I'm concerned. Clinton said about the same in WV and KY and got the bigots racists vots, so what's the big deal? Go figure!

so....when does his greatness get revealed????
all i have seen so far is a very slick politician??
he panders to beat all panderers, lies with the best of them, and certainly has surrounded himself with some unsavory charecters.
so where is this greatness???
...waiting...

Dadgummit, HD, 307.7 was the best I could muster.

Bear said,"Why would you go on a trip to Iraq with a Senator who openly hates you and will try to mock you as the dumb little dreamer instead of the adult who wants to win?"

I think I would be afraid of BHO's life if he went to Iraq with McBush. May be paranoid but hey, thats just me today.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Posted by: Bear | May 30, 2008 2:21 PM

LOLOLOLO

From a poster who brings us mostly trash talk and other bullcrap

It's not the name on the post but the content
you should post under other names and not embarrass yourself so much

Bear,

Sorry about your hand (actually, it makes me cringe). Hope the painful stage passes quickly.

"What is wrong with making sure your opponents abide by the rules? If he didn't have cause, would he have been successful in his challenges? He saw a threat, he was proactive in addressing that threat and was victorious because of it. Isn't that what we want in a leader?"

I think there's a big difference between ensuring the institutional controls in a jurisdiction are in place and making individual challenges like the Repugs did.

I think his efforts would be better spent making sure that the civil rights of released felons have been efficiently restored, that frivolous challenges to residency requirements are quickly resolved, and that ballots of service members overseas are expedited throughout the routing system, etc.

I just don't like the idea of going after individual voters hoping that you'll find something wrong. That smacks of what went on in Florida.

Lets work on extending the franchise to every eligible individual.

pogo,

Now I'm gonna have those dreams with Opus in them all over again.

I know I'm late to the game today, but what do you guys feel about Craig's "three doors" analysis? I'm hoping there's a decision this weekend - one way or another - but who know...

Dadgummit, HD, 307.7 was the best I could muster.

sorry best swing of the day for me. I did like how some of the penguins stuck head first in the snow.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Sorry, more typos than usual today: How do you feel about Craig's analysis, and what do you think the outcome of the big meeting will be?

That's better.

Geraldine Ferraro's remarks were not about him being black except that it moved him to the head of the line.

If he had been a white politician with exactly the same resume, he probably wouldn't have gotten the speaking spotlight four years ago, his senate campaign, his free ride to campaign after his election rather doing his job, and certainly would not have been in line to run for the presidency with absolutely no gubernatorial or national experience.

That doesn't mean he isn't brilliant, talented, accomplished, and possessed of a beautiful family and a charismatic message. It just means that he wouldn't (as he admitted himself) have been in this position at all for at least another four years.

Wahoo Dooty

Champion penguin swatter!!!!!!

Mayella Ewell, so you're suggesting that GF publicly despises blacks while actually craving them?

I don't like this "he/she got to position X because of A, B, and C" stuff. I mean, if everyone is honest, the only reason that HRC is in the position she's in is because of Bill. Without Bill, HRC wouldn't even be on the radar.

But. But. I don't think it's relevant. HRC is a tough contender regardless of how she got there. It's time to lay off the lazy, and oftentimes racist, critique of Obama's charmed political career.

Posted by: Bear | May 30, 2008 2:21 PM

LOLOLOLO

From a poster who brings us mostly trash talk and other bullcrap

It's not the name on the post but the content
you should post under other names and not embarrass yourself so much

If stating my position on why I think Hillary Clinton was a weak and ineffective campaigner in her 2006 and this 2008 season is trash talk, then I am guilty. Unlike you, I am not afraid or embarrassed by my opinions.

You will notice that many people take a lot of crap for what they say, yet they say it in their own names.

I will often say, "If you are going to burn a cross on my lawn, do it with the hood off." What makes me laugh about the Klan is that those "white power cowards" are afraid to show their faces when they are expressing their opinions.

If I am only spouting bullcrap, I suspect you won't have any problem providing me with links to evidence you claims. But you are a chicken shit coward who can only feel true empowerment from the anonymity you think the internet provides you with.

Clinton said about the same in WV and KY and got the bigots racists vots, so what's the big deal? Go figure!

Posted by: Karolenna | May 30, 2008 2:22 PM

Good for you big old fat ass bag of hate don't let any of those old white women get you down
how long has it been since you got any
I'll bet you are a prune faced old witch with a picture of Bubba under your pillow

Obama supporter Yoda Urbinato of TPM analyzes Survey USA's May polls -- praises their overall accuracy for the year but explores (as Craig would and has) in a more analytic way.

His point? He pretty much dismisses May polls because of how flawed they are this long before November.

I can't answer for his view on maypoles.

Very interesting and informative as is the Ben Smith piece to which he links:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/why-polls-in-may-even-by-surve.php

Very clever video Craig! I have no clue how this is going to play. LIke you allude, it is anybody's guess. With Pelosi and Reid demanding that the SD's decide quickly and declare whom they support, the nomination could be quickly settled and if Mr. Obama has reached the so called "magic number" the DNC will do whatever it takes to somehow allow the two states to be part of the convention and to be sure that Mr. Obama's clench on the nomination is no jeopardized. Do you agree?

Thought for the day...

Never argue with a fool, they will lower you to their level and then beat you with experience. 8~)

with a non crushed finger i'm at 321.1

Karolenna is a couger hanging around the Obama campaign hoping to get caught.

give me a break! if you are all about obama because he didn't vote for the war, please remember-he was not in the senate, he didn't see any of the intel. his constituants aren't new yorkers. (an awful lot of folks believed the bush lies about iraq) this argument carries no water at all. and for crap sake - stop blaming HRC for her husbands actions.

9/11, thanks. It's the English major, law student background - if you can't read well, you're doomed in those endeavors. I'm certain it would be helpful. Of course I suppose the real answer should be in the form of a question, "Who wouldn't that benefit?"

karolenna, I never associate sand that isn't washed by saltwater with the navy.

I'm just wondering if we're going to get a "Checkers" speech from HRC before this is all over.

After she goes down next Tuesday, I hope when she concedes the nomination she at least gives us, after guzzling another round of workin'-class whiskeys, a fitting goodbye: "You won't have HRC to kick around anymore."

Pogo,

Things like that always benefit me.

Particularly since my brain went neurotoxic I've studied a few different ways of processing informations. (Emotions, too.)

By the time I was thirty I felt uncomfortable with the patterns of thoughts, responses and reactions I would have to whatever I read... as they had become repetitive and self-confirming.

So I began to explore how to re-explore reading.

Which is probably one of the factors which led to whatever growth and discovery I had through writing.

"Yes, HRC's vote to authorize the war pushed a lot of otherwise supportive voters to Edwards..."

Uhh, PoU, I'm sure I heard somewhere that Edwards also voted for the AUMF.

Obama Has A "New, Wonderful Young" Pastor Otis Moss III

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6qX1SBgBg-E&feature=related

Ohio now has many Republicans and Independents for Obama. I know many of them. My best friend and her husband are hard-ass Republicans. She told me this morning she can’t wait to be rid of Clinton. They can’t stand McBush. It is also a misconception that older females are for Clinton in Ohio. Only in the hate-mongering of blacks part of the state is she popular.

If you had been to the Obama rally that I attended, you would have seen older females do not entirely support her because she was only about a mile from Obama when they were here and he had a line that went for at least three miles to get in the building. Only some got in to see him. I just barely made the cut.

pogo,

And of course his vote was officially changed the day he apologized, thus somehow revoking all of the money spent and the lives lost along with his once permanent responsibility for his political action which he since blamed on his "advisers".

Ah, honor.

Clinton beat Obama in Ohio did you forget that stupid?

Pogo writes:

Uhh, PoU, I'm sure I heard somewhere that Edwards also voted for the AUMF

That's interesting. I didn't know that. If that's true, then it must be HRC's lack of grassroots credentials that caused those peeps to move to Edwards. (This is kind of a joke, actually; I was totally perplexed as to why Edwards, who ran as the conservative democrat with Kerry, was able to so easily refashion himself as the grassroots populist.)

What Hillary is trying to do is craft history. She wants one narrative to be how sexism took the nomination away from her. She'd love if we forgot that she started this campaign with more money, more super delegates, more name recognition, more top Democrats in her campaign and still lost. And for white women, she's going to succeed. If Obama was in the same position and even HINTED that being black caused him to lose, the screams of "victimization" would echo from New York to Los Angeles. And if he stayed in the race like Clinton, commentators would question his ego in the midst of reality. But she gets a pass because she's a Clinton. But it'll all be over in a week. Her final legacy? That will be written over the next few years. I don't think she'll come out looking good.

BTW, Sheila Jackson Lee and other CBC members are catching hell right now because of Geraldine Ferraro's latest comments. The question African Americans are asking: How can you stand with someone like GF? They're going to have a hellava time to explaining that in their next elections.

politicallypissed...

I'm getting ready to go home and just saw your reply.

I fully understand your desire for our country to once again be the Democracy you grew up in. I myself am 62 so I too want what you and I believe everyone else here does.

I just think that Hillary is to much part of the establishment and don't believe that she will work for the change that needs to take place to heal America's wounds.

The powers of the Presidency today are far more than any President should ever have and I would think that Obama would rescind many of the executive orders and signing statements made under GWB. I think Hillary would keep them.

Everyone here is very passionate about the person they support and so no matter what is said on either side is often taken way differently than was meant.

I do believe that there are republican shills also who are here to stir the pot up and make everyone so divisive that by the time the November elections occur the damage will be to great to heal.

And I still say that there may be no elections as I still believe that he will take us to War in Iran.

I hope I'm wrong, but as everyone here knows that he always does what he wants and no one has tried to stop him.

Anyway I'm headed home and will try to catch up later.

I just want to see our country restore and the war ended. I also want to see them all tried for Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes for implementing, authorizing, carrying out and condoning of the Torture Program they designed within the White House.

Take care and ...

God Bless.

Check out the new low favorablity ratings of your prince
getting lower everyday.

The Democratic candidate who makes McBush look good.

All you music lovers can go play a song title game on my site today. Give you something pleasant to do when you get tired of smashing penguins.

http://jdurward.blogspot.com/

By NelsonDecker: “give me a break! if you are all about obama because he didn't vote for the war, please remember-he was not in the senate, he didn't see any of the intel. his constituants aren't new yorkers. (an awful lot of folks believed the bush lies about iraq) this argument carries no water at all. and for crap sake - stop blaming HRC for her husbands actions.”

I’ll give you a break when it fits. What you may not know is that barely any of the individuals who voted to give Bush the authority to go to war read the entire document (can’t remember what it is called now) put before them. Obama may not have been in the Senate at the time, but he was so leery of this document that he read it in its entirety. That was actually stated by (I think) Biden even before he dropped out of the race. That is also a reason that Obama says you can’t give Bush the authority and then state that “we didn’t know he would do it”. He says the document plainly stated that he had the option to go to war. I told friends we would go into Iraq 5 minutes after Bush was appointed president. I knew he would do so. Why didn’t Clinton know that if she is so smart and has such good judgment? I talk to many, even Republicans, who said they knew that is what he wanted to do. Now we have McClellan saying that same thing.

Obama's racial slur...yikes!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z0RY7Q1LgL4&feature=related

9/11, I have to agree that writing is one of the best ways to straighten out one's reading and thinking paroblems. That brings to mind "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" and the two distinct mental states of the author as himself and Phaedrus, the "quality" half of the person, who emerges from the exercise of the mundane. That's a book I read about once a decade to remind me that there's something better available to us than the day to day bullshit - and I think I'm due to read it again.

problems, fuhchrissake.

They were discussing her possible claims of sexism this morning on NPR and Elanor Clift raised a good point.

"If sexism is what denied you the nomination in the Democratic party, how does that make her more electable when it comes to facing the entire electorate?"

the Pew Research Center has a new report, available here, finding 49% of white women and 35% of Democratic white women now have a negative perception of Obama. Politico summarizes:

Good job by people like Karobagohate

Yet again... Obama's actual voting record on bills related to Iraq.

Perhaps it's the fog of war which obscures his lack of action on the Senate floor....

Or just a thousand puffs of doobie.

"In fact, Obama's Senate voting record on Iraq is nearly identical to Clinton's. Over the two years Obama has been in the Senate, the only Iraq-related vote on which they differed was the confirmation earlier this year of General George Casey to be Chief of Staff of the Army, which Obama voted for and Clinton voted against. Just last week, in an interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, Obama conceded that his position on the war is not the "polar opposite" of Clinton's."

And how often -- even in the full and honest context of his remark -- has his stating that he was not then a Senator and was not privy to the information/misinformation the Congress had at that time been ignored here?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/05/obama_slams_cli.html

" The nomination was her's to lose, and that's just what she did, lost it. "

When have I argued about the errors made by her campaign? I'm saying she was blamed and harrassed for being a woman in a way that made her run more difficult and he was benefitted by a starry eyed, love struck media who wanted image more than talent.

She (or her campaign directors) made a lot of mistakes and his well run campaign pretty well got a free ride even when they did make mistakes.

Have fun, Dog!

Dog
trolls attract trolls
I'm not the one defending trolls in here you are.
Your behavior has placed you on the edge of becoming on.
You owe the apology, do the right thing

Jack

Over the same period, Democratic white women’s negative view of Obama increased from 21 percent to 35 percent, while their positive view decreased from 72 percent to 60 percent — roughly the same rate as white women overall.

Obama will lose in November

Obama’s favorability ratings also dropped 13 points since February to 43% among white women, and the same 13 point drop was seen among independent voters, down to 49% currently.

Jamie writes:

When have I argued about the errors made by her campaign? I'm saying she was blamed and harrassed for being a woman in a way that made her run more difficult and he was benefitted by a starry eyed, love struck media who wanted image more than talent.

Jamie, this is a really sticky situation. Did sexism play a role in the media coverage of HRC? Sure. You can look to Chris Matthews and Tucker Carlson as prime examples. But to what degree did sexism really play a role in her downfall?

Also, I don't agree with your assertion about a "love struck media." That's simply HRC camp propaganda.

See the recent study published by Harvard which says the exact opposite. In fact, it was HRC who received more favorable coverage:

http://www.hks.harvard.edu/news-events/news/press-releases/character-and-the-media

Also, to what degree has racism played a role in this election? Do you at least fess up to that?

Bye Bye said: " White women resenting black men has been with this country was founded. "

and then he spewed, about women like Maxine Waters and Sheila Jackson Lee and Stephanie Tubbs Jones, threatening them -- "They're going to have a hellava time to explaining that in their next elections. "

I say: Screw yourself. I am sick of your racism and sexism.

dog,

I spent more than a few years as a creative director for Polygram... and ran a music legend's estate.

I know a LOT of songs.

Okay, friends. I've got to take off. Have a good day!

Never having to say you are sorry?

Certainly explains the solo sex life

dog, remember when you make that judgment statement about Obama in the context of the Iraq vote, that while Obama was in no position to vote for it, even in retrospect, and notwithstanding his speech decrying the need to go into Iraq and having "read the whole document", he has stated that he does not know how he would have voted had he been in the position to do so. Judgment is very easy to demonstrate when there are no consequences that spring from whatever one does to demonstrate their superior judgment.

dog,

Your sincerity precedes and follows pretty much all you write here.

pogo,

That's the problem I have with him.

All these soi-disant declarations from memoir to memoir to speech to speech in a life that's been free from a lot of serious consequences -- these just disturb me and fit too easily into the promise that HE is the solution to whatever Roger Ailes you or the world at large.

Oh, and dog, have a great bike ride.

Jamie,

That will depend on whether he truly favors challenge over comfort.

Roger Ailes you? RFLMAO

pogo,

Roger Ailes would love spending time chatting with Jamie and me.

His secret career is managing the careers of cabaret singers -- no kidding.

Anon-paranoid; Thanx for the civility, it's in short supply around here. Appreciate your point of view, I just can't believe he will get anything done.

By the way does anyone know when it's time for Karolenna to go back to the "home", hopefully soon, and I hope she won't forget to take her friend Mr. Democrat with her.........

politicallypissed,

Home, home of deranged
Where the dire and the ignorant play,
Where seldom ain't heard
An incontinent word
And the fears get all mongered all day!

Dog

"in all honesty, were she not Mrs. President Bill Clinton, I do not think Hillary Clinton would be where she is now. "

Actually, were she not Mrs. President Bill Clintong, she might have gotten here sooner. : )

Friends don't let friends vote a split ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

I so totally disagree with this sentiment. A divided government means nothing happens. I do not understand why you say this and what your real agenda is. Gridlock I guess, but why?

Bear:

My point regarding the way Obama chose to run his first State Senate campaign was that he ran it Old Chicago-style. A community organizer who spearheaded minority voter drives deliberately disenfranchised hundreds of citizens.

The most basic premise of his campaign is the New Politics of Hope and Change. If there is nothing New about the New Politics, who is Barack Obama? He isn't running as the experience candidate. And, with all of the characters we've seen recently, I'm not sure judgment argument will hold up under the GOP machine. So, what do these (not so new to many) revelations mean for his electability?

The mesmerizing aspect of Obama's candidacy was the blank slate factor: Supporters could make him whatever they wanted him to be. Unfortunately, the more and more he looks like a run-of-the-mill politician, the more it threatens his quest for the Presidency.

This is the news story about the Chicago style politics:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,0,1843097.story?page=1

"to what degree has racism played a role in this election? Do you at least fess up to that? "

On both sides. There are anti black racial pockets throughout the country and there are black voters who only backed Obama because he was one of their own.

That does not mean that everyone, or even the majority, of those who backed Clinton are racists or that everyone who voted for Obama was motivated by his color.

All this lumping together of descriptions is just as prejudicial and racist as any KKK or Black Panther meeting.

Everyone have a good weekend.

Politics of Utopia; 3:21PM....

You bet racism has played a part in this primary, and it has all come out of Trinity Church and or Bo's camp.

Take a really good look a the video of Pfleger at Trinity, ranting. Look at the background, are they rolling in laughter with him or AT him trying to sound like a "brotha".

I believe Rev. Wright was more Michelle's pastor than BO's(he was too busy stepping on people - Lynn Sweet - to get ahead), but she rants just like Wright about whitey.(Her thesis).

Pull your head out of the change bucket and take a look around....

It's time for Hillary to take off the gloves and quit playing nice with Obama and the party that has been trying to destroy her.

She needs to say what she and most of her supporters truly feel.Yes Obama can be elected,but he would be as incompetent as Bush.He is in the hands of The old dog democrats who will be pulling his strings like Cheney does Bush.

She needs to say this and also say that she is the only candidate who will not owe everythingthing to the special interests as she has been pretty much alone in fighting for this nomination.

She will be a strong leader,which is why the old dogs resent her so much.They will not be able to bully her.

She needs to remind everyone that Obama will owe his presidency to the Chicago machine.It will be good for Chicago but the rest of the state will be neglected as it has been over many years.

She needs to stop trying to protect the party and protect herself and the rest of the country.Obama will be a disaster and so will McCain.

Hillary is the best hope for improvements and she needs to stand up and tell the rest of the party to go to hell.

Stay in and go to the convention.Make them vote.Obama can not win with the delegates he has gotten,some of which were strongarmed at the caucuses.He needs super delegates and maybe by convention time those delegates will wake up and do what is best for all of us.

If you have to destroy the party,so be it.The party as it stands now is incompetent.It needs a good shake up.

Ruth

Post-Script: Besides Utopia doesn't really exist, it's a figment of someones imagination, just like Shangri-La.

thank you ruth,
i wish i'd said that.

Oh sistah we look for consistency in our politicians.
Turns out Obama don't have "new" politics just the same old politics with better spin.

Obama didn't prove he was tough, he proved he was ambitious and would use any means to get ahead .

Jamie,

I agree with your race post:
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/05/lets-make-a-deal.html#comment-91476

And, I think that was what I heard Mrs Ferraro saying--that voters in her working class cohort are willing to embrace a president of any color or any sex--but that they hate candidates and parties that inject racism and sexism into a campaign.

Most of Obama's life he has lived the white side of his heritage but when he needed to win in South Carolina he drew on his black side with his bamboozling and ropa dope talk.If he gets elected he will revert back to his white half and forget he has a black side.Just show me proof that he has helped the black community in Chicago.Statistics show that most blacks in the city do not graduate high school and crime is very high in black communities.He brags about his community organizing,but where are the results.
I live in a predominately white town and a month ago our local paper had pictures of 13 arrests on the front page.Two of these were white and eleven black.Most came from Chicago.If Obama wanted to show his accomplishments why didn't he do more to promote education for the inner city blacks.Education lowers crime.

Ruth

sorry folks, but this is the problem with BHO, he has no record. nobody really knows where he stands on anything. he was weak in the debates. people have put their own ideas into his persona, and it just wont work. he will either be even worse than the inexperianced bush, or appear just as befudled as ford.

"I do not understand why you say this and what your real agenda is. "

I've wondered the same about Pug, Tom......

Hey Patsy
Are you here?
Loretta Lynn is singing on RFD.
Old music but good music

Nelson
I agree with you.He is not ready and will probaly screw up more than Bush.He says he is a leader but from what I have seen he is a follower.Look aty any of the debates.He always said "I agree with Hillary".Like I've said many times before why get the carbon copy when we can have the original and with no strings attached

Ruth

I's time for Hillary to take off the gloves and quit playing nice with Obama and the party that has been trying to destroy her.
Posted by: painter Author Profile Page | May 30, 2008 4:03 PM

Ruth,

I heard Hillary speaking (on Potus) today at a rally. I haven't heard her in quite a while, but she sounded really good.

She's talking a lot faster than she used to (and it suits her), she's dropped the g from the end of her words (for her populist message) and she saying all the right things. The crowd was hooting and hollering and cheering.

So I do think she's doing the right thing now. She really has found her voice. Time will tell us if it's too late, but no matter what, it's a good thing for her.

She's connecting with people. And as a result, she's gotten about three quarters of the vote in some districts. She's on message.

"Lived the white side of his heritage" I love it. Boy, when I see Barack walking down the street, the first thing I note is that he's living the white side of his heritage. That's a complete ignorance of what it is to be black. Funny how folks only want to parse ethnicity when they're looking for anything to denigrate.

Ruth has a crystal ball and can see the future. I can see the future too! Hillary Clinton is about to lose...

I always belived that the media had to give equal time to all candidates.Aren't MSNBC and CNN in violation of this rule.
I also watch the dreaded fox channel because I find that is the only place you can get a positive view of Hillary by many of the commentators..

Someone asked earlier "what happened to Joe Scarburough?"I heard his wife is having problems with having a baby.But I think he was being too fair to Hillary and they benched him and are using the baby as an excuse.
Ruth

9/11, you just described Patsi, Sturge, WhiskyJack and my man GORDO to a TEE! Thanks for that!

I know, but it's fun.

Ah, Mr. Demagogue,

How is that your hall of broken mirrors has so many borrowed names?

Because your Momma's typing with her other hand! Ha! I got to use Your Momma joke! Haven't done that since fifth grade, or what Gordo calls, My Best Six Years.

Well gang, since pleas of civility doesn't seem to take, I have a suggestion:

What if we decided everyone could make 1 and only 1 nasty comment about another poster in this blog in any given day? We'd still be able to tell someone to "sod off" and then go back to niceties. :-) Can't blame someone for trying...

"Enjoy the life please" says my Mauro.

and I agree.

why do you guys have to be so nasty? calling people names isn't a very good way to prove your point. where is all that togetherness?????

Bear, just read about the fingers in the garage door... OUCH !!!! Hope you are ok !!!

By the way, I find your comments always thought-provoking and sensible. Even those that I don't always 100% agree with, but I like how you think and how you speak.

Tom

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/05/lets-make-a-deal.html#comment-91506

That's a complete ignorance of what it is to be black. Funny how folks only want to parse ethnicity when they're looking for anything to denigrate....Hillary Clinton is about to lose...
Posted by: Mr. Democrat | May 30, 2008 4:35 PM

Does Clinton getting the nomination have to mean hating Clinton? On one hand, I come very close to understanding how you feel. If you were a woman, you would know what I mean. Because, from your side of the fence, it may not seem like it, but women do experience a lot of discrimination from a lot of different people too. And prejudice is ugly no matter where it's coming from and whoever it is directed at. I have a feeling that it feels pretty much the same to both of us. It creates a lot of resentment and bad feelings.

I remember Hillary, a while back coming out of a black church in New York, and a spectator outside was commenting to one of the news media, and said "she's here trying to steal our vote". And I got it. It sounded mean spirited to me, but I knew that's how he saw it.

But I think it's also important for African Americans and women to realize they do have something in common, they both experience discrimination. I know people like to say that young women don't experience it like women used to, but believe me they do.

i didn't read racism in her post. you can't claim that everyone that isn't on the BHO band wagon is racist. my paternal granmother was black, my maternal grandmother was native american, i think HRC would be a better president. that doesn't make me a racist.

Does Obama getting the nomination correction

mr dem
saying he has been living his white side is not saying anything bad about blacks.Take a look at his closest friends.Do you see any blacks?He needed Wright so he could look like he was being a brother.And just because his skin is black does not make him black.
Many of the prominate black politicians have endorsed Hillary.Only those who felt threatened by the Obama campaign jumped ship in order to save there own elected office.And I don't blame them.Obama has set race relations back more than anyone.Most people look past race when they vote.Carol Mosely Brown was elected mayor of Chicago and she needed white votes.I believe she was Senator too and she even ran for president.She had a good future but she screwed it up with some sort of scandle.But I really liked her.Yes there is racism in this country,more on a personal level .But to say this country is racist is an overstatement.Educated blacks have the same opportunity as most Americans.The problem is we need to educate everyone.Uneducated whites are in the same boat as any other uneducated person in this country.

back to rev wright and this father phleger (sp?) these people are racist. there is no place that sort of vulgar garbage should be spoken, not on your front porch or in front of the pews. i really haven't seen anything like that here. thank you all very much.

Euro Tom,
I do not blame Obama for the problems in the inner city,but he claims he has done so much with his community organizing and all I ask is show me where he has done anything.Show me even some improvement that he did personally.No one person can be blamed for the problems we have in this country but if you are going to brag about it, then I want to see examples.

Ruth

Ruth that is a good clarification. I would think that such proof would have to come from people who have worked with Mr. Obama and who could confirm his claims or give their own memories of how effective he was or wasn't. In either case, I didn't follow the white side/black side argument.

Glad to have a dialogue.

Off to watch a trash movie everyone.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/05/lets-make-a-deal.html#comment-91506 :-) ;-)

bye bye

And the reason I mention Obama being black because when he started his campaign he was the non racial candidate but when he lost NH he knew he had to win SC and in order to do that he had to use the race card and blame it all on the Clintons and with the media's help with their soundbites he accomplished what he set out to do .And yes he didn't think of it himself he had Axlerod to help him
Ruth

new record on penguin swatting

316.7

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Obama: I have a deep faith (2004 story about Obama, So in Obama's own words. Father Pfleger helps him "KEEP THAT COMPASS SET". ....

Well, well, well, busy day here trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored.

9/11 you are at the top of you game. Unfortunate that there are disagreeable entities that require your skills.

I am not getting the vibes that Obama is a uniter. He may be putting together a coalition, but it is not going to appeal to the vast majority of American voters. The polls I've seen don't show that.

I saw a post indicating Obama is a poser. I agree with that, particularly after reviewing the press proofs of the book that we just printed that will be hitting the books stores soon. It is a book of photographs from a Chicago photojournalist. Not a picture in the book that is unflattering. In fact, just the opposite. Nice little bit of propaganda or just a capitalist cashing in on the mania. They did move up the print schedule to get it on the streets as soon as possible.

And if you order before midnight tonight, we will throw in a talking Obama doll and a set ginsu knives.

Tom -- RE: " I don't know what "bamboozling and ropa dope talk" is."

Obama was using code because of Malcom X's use of the words bamboozle and hoodwink. It was reassuring the AA community that he was one of them. Like when Ronald Reagan went to Mississippi and referred to "states rights."

If I offend anyone by my comments then I am truly sorry.Maybe because I only have a high school education I may not be expressing myself with the proper words but I am not a racist and I think there are people that look for racism in every spoken word.For Example the media kept saying there was hidden meanings in many comments made by Clinton people.Maybe I am just naive but not being exposed to these hidden messages Imay be coming across the wrong way.If so,I apologize

Ruth

They are showing the Priest on CNN now..the reaction of the congregation is disgusting. I certainly wouldn't stay a member of that church!

317.8

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

yeah, i'm sitting here with cnn on and i swear if i see that man again i'm gonna throw something at the tv!

You don't have anything to apologize for Ruth. Posted by: Patsi

I second that.

Nelson

I say let all of the Obama supporters have a national platform to have their say. Then everyone will be able to judge for themselves. In the world of politics, the people you associate with do matter. If they didn't ,Bill Shaheen would not have had to resign from Hillary's campaign back in January (remember January and New Hampshire).

I just find it a wonderful gift to hear these so called men of the cloth saying this idiotic stuff. Either it is just an act to fill up the collection plates or these guys are candidates for massive doses of Thorozine. But the alarming part is that they have people that go to these churches week after week and are clapping and Amening. I guess it is such a different cultural experience than I have had that I could never understand. Probably makes me a bitter racist.

For those coming in late who haven't caught up on their reading. To defeat Dooty at penguin whacking go here

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080522/MULTI/80522108/1048/SPORTS

For the song title competition go here

http://jdurward.blogspot.com

And for a whole host of cow games go here

http://www.bovinebazaar.com/cowgame.htm

Have to lighten the mood somehow.

Either it is just an act to fill up the collection plates or these guys are candidates for massive doses of Thorozine. But the alarming part is that they have people that go to these churches week after week and are clapping and Amening. Bowmanc

Well, that's show biz!

Larry Sinclair UPDATE

"Larry Sinclair ... will be in Washington DC this weekend to attend a public meeting of the Democratic National Committee’s rules committee.

Sinclair will be available at the Marriott Wardman Park hotel on Saturday, before, during and after the DNC rules meeting, for any media organization that wish to interview him. "

http://bigheaddc.com/

Gordo said this, "Sinclair will be available at the Marriott Wardman Park hotel on Saturday, before, during and after the DNC rules meeting, for any media organization that wish to interview him. "

Shouldn't have a hard time getting an interview with him because he will be the hick with no one sitting or standing near him.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Chloe

I have no problem with Reverend Wright, He is following a long tradition in his preaching.

But that white guy pretending he is just one of the folks.
That was painful. Mostly because he can't catch the rythm of the delivery so it sounded fake and almost a mockery of a proud tradition. Like an Amos and Andy black face.

Jack

321

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

horsedooty,

I think he'll be the one wearing the t-shirt which reads, "I really suck! And I can tell you when and where I did! Someone? Anyone? Please.....?"

Are you still here?

Dick Talk!
Dick Talk!

Oh, yeah.

307.8.

Only 'cause I got lucky.

BowmanC,

He's here... panicking around older women...

Because --

Dick Docked!

Dick Docked!

Sorry, I meant

Tic, Toc

9/11, Larry's nic name might be Gordo, ya reckon?

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

horsedooty,

Well, Gordo's interest in Larry verges on self-interest.

It's scaring the small animals, Dooty.

Help.

Please.

Help.

Chloe,

I guess it is showbiz for some. I went to a Quaker Meeting for along time and there wasn't any of that stuff. As a matter of fact, Meeting was silent unless you were moved by the spirit of God to speak. Normally is was silent. Then there were the times my aunt was moved by God to speak. We learned about the beauty of tree bark. Now it makes some sense, but when I was 14 it made me want to disappear. (which would have been a miracle I prayed for)

But that white guy pretending he is just one of the folks.
That was painful."

Jack, it bothered me too. I didn't mean to make light of it.

And Bowmanc, I really enjoyed reading your story.

I was referring to Bows reference to the collection plate and to even some churches having the wrong motives. I love reading what you all have to say.

Can we just start calling him Father Phlegm?

I think that's fairly close to his actual name, anyway.

Oh, and Bow.
Tree bark is a beautiful thing, now ain't it?

LL,

Snot a problem if you do.

chloe & bowman,

Especially on dogwood trees...

9/11...that Captain Hook imagery you invoked with the tick-tock and crocodiles all around the ship is some of the earliest, most powerful (and scary) literary imagery of my childhood memories. Just reading that post was like a whole meal of madeleine cakes.

Especially on dogwood trees.. 9/11

Yes, my favorite! And I have lots of them.

If anyone is knowledgable about east coast trees, could you let my blog buddy know what this is

http://mouseski.blogspot.com/2008/05/return-of-tree.html

I like a shag bark hickory as a tree.

Switching from trees, it reminds me that often with nuisance breeds, their bark is worse than their bite.

Jamie...
I'm no tree expert...but to my untrained eye that one looks like a definite cross between a Rottweiler and a sheep dog.

woo hoo! 378!

Just watched McCain saying it wasn't kosher to use the White House's pet General in a mail out. The MAJOR HIPPOCRACY here is that he was called out by Kerry, the banker for the BO team, while prince O-bot sat at a table with a bunch of people in uniform........or maybe camoflauge was just the dress of the day.

Kudos to Gov. Ed Rendell for telling BO to keep his VPship. When he crashes and burns, you don't want to be anywhere around.

I sure hope she takes it to the convention floor, this disgusting use of the electoral college(poor FL.)is so reminisent of 2000. but I forgot, that's what puppeteers do best, copy things....this party really needs a good shake-up

Painter, Enjoy your comments. Carol Moseley Braun was never elected mayor of Chicago, but yes she was elected senator from Illinois. I believe that Bill Clinton appointed her as ambassador to New Zealand.

She lost her a bid to run for President in the primaries for the 2004 election. I believe because she was involved in some money issues that were not on the up and up.

Cute LL

You put the LL into LoL

Craig, what a cute & informative video! Y'all are so clever!

This is still true, 11 years later and so well said.

War, Oil and Unemployment
The truth from "Good Will Hunting", 1997

http://patterns2.blogspot.com/

Alicia Knight said this, "woo hoo! 378!"

Excellent

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Jamie that tree looks like it was taken over by kudzu vine. just a guess.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

I read through the thread, and feel bad about Bear's smashed fingers. I just hope the garage door distracted him from the game of electrical Russian roulette he was playing a few days ago with his household wiring. I'm starting to get worried about his sojourn in the DIY world.

Politicallypissed..

Don't worry about a shake-up. there is a Meltdown coming. It will be a reprise of the China Syndrome- call it the Colorado Syndrome

Perhaps out of the toxic radioactive debris, some sort of mutant American will emerge that will meld the warring factions into a party that is genuinely interested in making this a more perfect union rather than gaining political power. I know that Obama is presenting himself as the one. OK, I've hear that.

Now for the questions that will piss people off. If Obama is nominated and elected and is a horrible failure, what will that do to race relations in the USA and worldwide? Using Bush as an example the two things I've observed here are no more Texans and no more Republicans, If he fails will it be no more AA's & no more democrats?

Bowman

We could try and Asian at the head of a 3rd Party.

Bowmanc...no matter what happens, Obama will have the advantage of following GWBush. It would really be hard to have a lower bar to clear, in terms of how his performance is judged. So as long as he surrounds himself with seasoned people and gets good advice, I have a hard time thinking of him being declared a "failure."
Hell, after eight years of Bush...we've defined down what is acceptable in a president so much...I almost forget what a good president looks like.

an Asian

I am not excited about having a low standard for performance.

Jimmy Carter, I won't lie to you.

But Billy will be photographed taking a piss on a runway.

Happy Friday everyone!

I tried to read through this stuff, it wasn't easy.

Hillary staying with Bill is her own business. (many people live with people who are worse, and they are not criticized)

I think it would be impossible for any president to actually be worst then GWB.

Sad loss of Sydney Pollack, I just picked up his 2006 short film called "Sketches of Frank Gehry" and I am looking forward to seeing it.

Not sure who will win Ohio.....or if the votes will counted correctly.

All this back and forth belittling is way not cool. But I am not here to interupt. Carry on.

~peace

Oh and I bought the new Flight of the Concords CD today it's really awesome. I just laugh when I hear the guy sing.

Funny stuff...you guys would remember them from "Business Time"

www.politico.com

Ben smith has article on letter from Hillary attorney - 5 pzges stating chapter and verse of the by laws. The Michigan issue is a wowza . He says they cannot give Obama any of the uncommitted votes because it is not clear who that uncommitted vote was meant for, Biden, Richardson, Bo , Edwards. It apparently breaks about 10 rules if they try to give BO any of Michigan..
Looks like it will go to convention I bet. BO wants the uncommitted voe in Michigan PLUS 4 of her delegates. Not sure why he thinks he shold get 4 of hers. Long letter, but interesting..
Julie

9/11, good to see you posting again.

I liked Sydney Pollack as an actor, and I found him physically appealing. Kinda my kinda guy.

tt

I especially like "Three days of the Condor".

tt

Evening Creep

Left Yet?

Dick Dock
Dick Dock

Night folks.
I think I'm going to go do something more constructive -- like go start an argument with my salt shaker.
Peace and love.

LL,

There was a most unusual two-headed project about Barrie and the DuMaurier-Davies children called The Lost Boys.

The author of both a TV mini-series and a history was the very gifted Andrew Birkin. (He's Jane's brother.)

The project consumed him in ways he had never expected. The history of the Davies children -- with two suicides -- and the manipulations of the sometimes appealing, mostly appalling James M. Barrie has never been better told.

The BBC transferred the mini-series to DVD. But the comments on IMDB about the Netflix version indicates this is an edited version. It would still be worth seeking.

Barrie is played here by Ian Holm (who a few years later played the Rev. Charles L. Dodgson -- yes, Lewis Carroll -- in Dennis Potter's second version of his Dreamchild).

The book is one of those I call a masterpiece. Yale University Press republished it a few years ago as a paperback and it should be available. That edition's title is "J M Barrie and the Lost Boys the Real Story Behind Peter Pan by Andrew Birkin".

Birkin's own subtitle is distinctly different: "The Love Story That Gave Birth To Peter Pan".

"Finding Neverland" was a seductive fantasy.

This one will move a reader (or viewer) to think and feel and weep in far more genuine ways.

LL going back to your 7:24 post "I've forgotten what a good president looks like." Check your pocket for a coin or wallet for some paper money. If you have enough change you might see the image of a good president.

Bowman,

I only see those crazy numbers on my bills... such crazy, ugly numbers.

9/11 it's OK, especially if they are very large numbers.

Best to be an whole number followed by many 000,000's

tiptoe,

Two of the most appealing men I've met who directed were Pollock and Pakula. In some ways their films could resemble each other (See You In The Morning was as sentimental as any of Pollock's mushier movies -- and They Shoot Horses Don't They and Sophie's Choice have different dimensions and sources but some similar truths and unblinking visions.)

Both men were so generous, unaffected, full of both curiosity and awareness of the system (which Pakula was in since he was a teenager -- he came out of the studio system and had a studio deal until a few months before his death -- and that loss bewildered him a bit).

Pakula's one real hangup was that he hated to make decisions about scripts.

Which meant during a meeting when a writer (in this case me) would ask him about a direction he would spread his arms and with an ebullience which shined like warm gold declare, "Spare me no riches!"

A lot of people who knew and loved him would on occasion look down in shock to watch their hands rehearse strangling him.

Pollock wasn't a working relationship. But I can't tell you how many peers I know who wanted to have him do character work in their projects.

Bowman,

Those zeros are nice.

But the numbers of one set of bills always seems to overwhelm the numbers on the ones with the pictures on them.

9/11 i get it, the one thing to remember about currency is: do not mess with it. The Feds have no sense of humor when it comes to the US currency. I was at a presentation by a couple of Secret Service agents from the Treasury Dept. These are serious dudes. The tie ins between drug cartels, terrorists and petty criminals with counterfiting is amazing. Our everyday currency is being copied and counterfited every day around the globe. It may sound funny, but it does add risk to the continuation of the American Experiment.

It isn't silly at all.

I watch nearly all documentaries about the U.S. mints and currency policies.

I was talking about my OTHER set of bills -- insurance, electricity, maintenance, etc., etc.!

Oh, Those bills. They suck, but ignore them at your peril.

Bowman,

My own peril not only laughs at bills it causes them.

9.........thanks for that j barrie/peter pan bit.......

Patsi,

Clearest, most honest pool reporting of the campaign year.

Did the piece mention if the amoebas had a particular yen for reporters' brains?

sturgeone,

As (if I remember correctly -- if I remember ANYTHING) you're an old Johnny Carson fan...

Future Tonight Show producer Frederick De Cordova plays quite a part in the life of the longest lived Davies son, Michael.

boy aint got the sense god gave a cantaloupe........

Just got back.Went to my son's pub and had a pork tenderloin.

Thanks Patsi,Chloe and mamaknows for the support.

Won't be able to stay on long,hear thunder and if it gets close have to shut everything down.Lightening blew out my pc a few years ago even with a surge protector and being out in the middle of a cornfield,I have to shut everything down and unplug it.Even my phones and satellite.

Glad to see there were no more insults.

Ruth

sturge,

And (to quote Steinbeck) he ain't got the class of a duck.

Unless that duck is Donald. (Not Daffy who's much too funny to be Briley Virus.)

Sure would be nice if Craig could also post a transcript with his videos so those of us who can't see them can at least read what they are about,even tho the impact wouldn'y be the same

Ruth

Gentlemen should I import a snow bank so you can all write your names? : )

gentlemen......... did we get a promotion??

--Moe Howard

9/11-

Funny you should ask re songs we sing/sang to our children. My sisters and I grew up to my mom's piano, playing the Student Prince, Merry Widow, Firefly etc. We listened to many other songs of that era, Romberg, Friml,Lehar, as well as operas. Add to that list Kern, Gershwin and their contemporaries.

It was not a happy home but both my parents loved beautiful music and it was the best gift they could have given us. I remember holding my infant nephew in my arms and waltzing around the living room as mom played on and on.

That nephew is now 44 with a toddler of his own, and that little boy and his three cousins are often serenaded by Gammy and the Two Aunts singing
Camptown Races, Someone's in the Kitchen with Dinah, Let Me Call You sweetheart, Give Me a Little Kiss, You Made Me love You, and on and on. These kids LOVE it - cries of again, again and more,more are more precious than encore. I need to get a Mitch Miller cd so I can learn words to all of them. It's not that we are good singers - it's that we're singing to them, entertaining them live and not a tv. I pity, actually pity, those people who have never had a relationship with music like that. Music is life - it has sound, rhythm,sound,math,science. It provides genius in the composing of it and the playing of it. It is endless genius simply because it is un-ending. You need nothing to enjoy it but your own mind.

Well, sorry for the 'tutorial' but I love our times singing to our kids and you brought it up..........

oh and 9/11....that's a roger k wilco on that carson......from 1962 when i was 14 to whenever it was he quit.......

Paging Dr. Sturge...

Dr. Lardass...

Dr. 9/11...

Jamie
Yes a snow bank sounds great since its so hot and humid here in florida at the moment. I could finally turn my AC off and open the windows. HA HA

9/11

One of the worst tricks ever played by nature was giving my my mother's hips and my father's singing talent.

As a result I know virtually every standard written since 1900 and croak when I try to sing any of them : )

bethyboo,

That's no tutorial --

It's a life lesson in joy.

If you are shotting through the window, make sure it is up.

As a result I know virtually every standard written since 1900 and croak when I try to sing any of them : )

Posted by: Jamie

Jamie, Jamie, Jamie --

I have your CV, resume and statement of soul ready for you HERE:

I hear music when I look at you,
A beautiful theme of ev'ry dream I ever knew.
Down deep in my heart, I hear it play,
I feel it start then melt away.

I hear music when I touch your hand,
A beautiful melody from some enchanted land,
Down deep in my heart, I hear it say
Is this the day?

I alone have heard this lovely strain,
I alone have heard this glad refrain,
Must it be forever in side of me
Why can't I let it go?
Why can't I let you know?

Why can't I let you know the song my heart would sing?
That beautiful rhapsody of love and youth and spring,
The music is sweet the words are true,
The song is you.

sturgeone,

There's an outstanding series of docs going around PBS station called Pioneers of Television.

What distinguishes it is its narrative and analytic points of view -- also its simplicity and sophistication.

The talk show hosts episode gives a great exposition of Allen's rise, the remarkable story of Jack Paar (and with that Merv Griffin's unexpected arrival as a talk show host) and within that the development of Johnny Carson --

Including a college thesis he wrote on performing which is a little more than just kind of pertinent.

If you haven't seen it, search for it.

Great Dorsey with Sinatra vocal. Then we go a few years later to find a Sinatra for you:

You will be My Music.

When all the songs are out of tune
And all the rhythms ring so untrue
When I dont find the words to say
The thoughts I bring to you

When I hear lonely singers
Who are just as lost as me
Making noise, not melody

You will be my music
You will be my song
You will be my music
I cant wait any longer if Im wrong

Joe Raposo, Jamie.

I cry when I think a man like him had to die so young.

9/11

Do you like the new Dr. Who? The 2008 season starts to night on Sci Fi if you get it.

9/11: Loved See You in the Morning. Loved Starting Over. Loved The Pelican Brief. Loved Loved Loved All the Presidents Men (of course.) I was so happy to see Recount on Sunday...the return of the political thriller!

a snow bank would be an appropriate thing for todays posts... very funny Jamie

Well that didn't last long and the sunset is beautiful.

When I went outside to enjoy the view,I saw a young black lab someone dumped.Sure would like to do that to the people that dump the dogs but somewhere in the middle of a desert and see if they can survive by themselves.One disadvantage to living in the country.It is impossilble to take in all the strays that the town people don't want anymore.

Three years ago my son took a black lab that came here and had been shot.He took it to vet and that dog became the most loyal dog and became the mascot at his bar then about six months ago a friend gave him some left over dog food he had after his older dog
died.Turned out the dog food was from China and was poisoned and his dog died too.The friend thought his dog died from old age.

And we still get medicines and such from China.It's a disgrace.

Ruth

Cathedral bells were tolling
And our hearts sang on
Was it the spell of Paris
Or the April dawn
Who knows if we shall meet again
But when the morning chimes ring sweet again

I'll be seeing you
In all the old familiar places
That this heart of mine embraces

All day through
In that small cafe
The park across the way
The children's carousel
The chestnut tree
The wishing well

I'll be seeing you
In every lovely summer's day
In everything that's light and gay
I'll always think of you that way

I'll find you in the morning sun
And when the night is new
I'll be looking at the moon
But I'll be seeing you

I'm a sucker for Matt Dennis

How can your hate a lyric like:

I make a date for golf
You can bet your life it rains
I try to give a party
And the guy upstairs complains
I guess I'll go through life
Just catching colds
And Missing trains
Everything happens to me.

I'll Be Seeing You leads to the song dedicated to dejavu all over again or reincarnation:

VERSE

Sometimes you think you've lived before
All that you live today
Things you do come back to you
As though they knew the way
Oh, the tricks your mind can play!

REFRAIN
It seem we stood and talked like this before
we looked at each other in the same way then,
But I canÍt remenber where or when.
The clothes youÍre wearing are the clothes you wore.
The smile you are smiling you were smilimg then,
But i canÍt remember where or when.

Some things that happend for the first time,
Seem to be happenig again.
Amd so it seems that we have met before
and laughted before
and loved before,
But who knows where or when.

Ally,

Funny stories.

See You In The Morning was autobiographical AND a great guy writing a teenage sort of romance about his personal life.

For anyone else to get Farrah Fawcett to play your first wife would be some insanely egocenric move --

But Pakula's first wife was Hope Lange so FF was kind of a step down.

Howevah --

Pakula decided that since this was HIS movie and HIS script, HE would cast as himself disguised as a shrink Jeff Bridges.

Who wouldn't????

And as his second wife... Alice Krige.

Starting Over never shows up on TV. Why?

Such a mess on All The President's Men. There was William Goldman working for his former best friend Robert Redford and Pakula for the first time wasn't producing.

Redford is famously passive aggressive. Pakula kind of ducked out ethically on this one because Goldman walked into a script meeting with the two of them to see that Nora Ephron and Carl Bernstein were there with ANOTHER VERSION OF THE SCRIPT -- entirely their own and entirely in violation of all WG agreements and Goldman's contract.

Only Redford would do that so openly. Also so unsuccessfully.

She'll be coming around the mountain when she comes.She'll be driving six white horses.......

Mairzy Doats and Dozey doats and Little Lambzy Divey...

A you're adorable B you're so beautiful...

Love those old songs from 40's

Ruth

Strangers in the night exchanging glances
Wondering in the night
What were the chances wed be sharing love
Before the night was through.

Something in your eyes was so inviting,
Something in you smile was so exciting,
Something in my heart,
Told me I must have you.

Strangers in the night, two lonely people
We were strangers in the night

-my Mother used to try to hum or sing this as she cook dinner.

sturge and jamie,

I'll Be Seeing You remains Gustav Mahler's only top forty hit. (The composer admitted he lifted the theme from the last movement of Mahler's Resurrection Symphony.)

Sondheim gets very cranky when he talks about Larry Hart's internal rhymes and inner syncopations. And that ain't because he had such a good time working with Richard Rodgers.

Yet he can do the most convincing evocations of Hart's lyrics in his own Follies and Company... as good as Hart and as true to unhappiness as Hart was.

9/11: I love your stories.

Was See You in the Morning a critical success? It hardly ever makes the cable rounds either. I love movies where you can cut the tension with a knife.

Another of my ALL TIME FAVORITES is Heartburn. Meryl Streep is so amazing in that film. I won't bore you with all of my favorite scenes but I have seen that movie about a million and a half times as well.

it was carson's favorite song according to carson......bette midler sang it to him on the last show............

got me thinking about carson and les stooges trois.........

Those internals and odd rhythms are what I love most about Hart, which is why I keep my "Complete Lyrics" close to hand in case I need a mental jolt. Of course now almost all lyrics to darn near everything are on the net.

everyone,

My favorite album is always one by two exceptional favorite artists -- Harry Nilsson and Gordon Jenkins.

They recorded A Little Touch of Schmilsson In The Night in London -- the first and greatest (by any measure) standards album by a rock era singer --

And then went back to the studio the next day to do it all over in a very few takes with BBC cameras running.

You will marvel and you will cry.

And the greatest moment hasn't a note sung in it.

Jenkins (who had come to love and admire Nilsson as much as he did Sinatra) told Harry he had all the time he'd need.

Harry (fastest and most truthful especially when sober) answered in a nanosecond, "And not one second more."

Everytime I hear that on either the vids or the complete reissue its producer the late great Nigel Taylor made of all the cut material... I break down.

Here are the YouTube links.

Lower the lights. Pour Harry a brandy alexander. And pour yourself into a chair to FEEL.

http://youtube.com/results?search_query=Harry+Nilsson+a+Little+touch+of+Schmilsson&search_type=

jamie,

There is an early delightfully stylized sound short which features Rodgers and Hart starting their partnership along with a slightly startling recreation of the original staging of Manhattan which is totally deadpan.

It turns up on TCM regularly.

Back for a bit. Hey, everyone!

HEY- I'll be glad when the democrats get their sh*t together, if that means tick -tock, so be it.

They need a nominee, and this whole messed-up primary season needs to end. Not saying any one should quit, but I am sure as hell saying someone better win!

It's not a personal issue it i a political issue.

Nick,

Thanks for the info. Do you know when it begins?

my brother played the accordian and my dad who never had a lesson used to pick it up and play all those old songs.He only had a fourth grade education but he managed to own and run a neighborhood bar along with my mother and raised us six kids.We never had a lot but we never missed what we didn't have.

In those days many uneducated people went to the school of hard knocks and they made a good life for themselves.You don't have to be rich and well educated to be happy.And degrees do not make you smart.I would match my father's smarts with a few of the so called educated people on this site.

Today my son bought and revamped the old place and is following in his Grandfather's footsteps.

Ruth

Ally,

A lot of Pakula's later movies are out of circulation including the final one he made with Albert Finney.

See You In the Morning was neither a critical nor a commercial success. Pakula had gone on the outs with critics in the years after Sophie's Choice.

At the time I was working with him on a script -- a half dozen delightful meetings with a seventh scheduled the day before he died driving out to Eastern LI to be with his family -- he really was in a quandary. He had no deal (as I mentioned for the first time in his career) and had settled into the trope so many directors get lost in in similar moments -- Their Napoleon Bio Dream.

One thing about Heartburn.

Nicholson for the first time since he became a star was NOT the director's first choice for the lead.

Nichols had chosen and signed Mandy Patinkin to play the Bernstein role.

But Patinkin went to speak with Bernstein and wound up liking him too much.

So he quit the film.

And Nicholson assumed the role despite his age and background.

painter,

That's a neat story

painter,

One of the best stories I've read in years.

Thanks for that.

UB

The campaign is getting boring already, but what else do we have to do until November? Might as well have all of them out on the road. That way they could take turns putting us to sleep.

Bush sure as shooting isn't going to do anything to fix any of the problems so we might as well entertain ourselves and hope the world doesn't blow up in the meantime.

9/11,

Awwww, I would love it if Ted were well enough to run : )

I know, he's too old. But it's always been sad to me that he hasn't ever had the luck to be president.

We're all going to miss the old lion once he's gone. We can only hope that's a long way off.

Ally
loved Meryll Streep in Sophie's Choice.
Loved the book too

sturge,

Which member of the Reagan Administration (and leader of the unofficial kitchen cabinet which accompanied RR from Sacramento to DC) resurrected the Stooges and finally made them all rich guys?

With Teddy you get the only deal in politics that matters -- WYSIWYG.

9/11,

Yes, absolutely.

did curly get rich? thought he died early.....

I'd have to guess.......deaver?

yep, I actually stop watching the coverage , the weather is better, and they are too boring....so I can only hope for something of interest later....in the meantime, I think it is very interesting to see how everyone is handling the peculiar primary.

Never before have blogs been so "in play" and instant news reports, internet efforts, fundraising, etc. .......it is kind of fun to be a witness to it all.

9/11: I am loving your stories today. How said about Pakula.

I cannot imagine Mandy Patinkin in that role now. Nicholson was so good. He plays a very believable philanderer.

And Meryl Streep...her comedic timing and mastery of nuance is simply brilliant in that film. The scene when they get in the argument over the contracter, the scene where they have the discussion with the Hungarian contractor over the kitchen door, the scene where she goes through his drawers in the bathroom with the shower on and then confronts him, the scene where she is mugged at her shrink's office...I could go on and on.

Good night all. Have a lovely evening.

sturge,

It was Charles Z. Wick -- a former band singer who became an MCA executive.

It was he who completely repackaged the Stooges and produced all their features, tours and new TV ventures.

He also ran Reagan's kitchen cabinet and is pretty universally respected for the changes he instated when he ran Voice of America.

His son is Doug Wick who produced Gladiator, Jarhead and, yes, the very good Peter Pan movie from a few years back.

Doug Wick is a total liberal and a very good family man.

His oldest daughter was the kid who testified before Congress about Type I diabetes and helped introduce stem cell research as a topic.

And he upholds his family's dedication to Mrs. Reagan. As both his parents are infirm, Doug Wick looks after Mrs. Reagan all the time during her husband's illness and after his death.

And that is why Mrs. Reagan is so outspoken about stem cell research. Some of it is for her husband... the rest is for that little girl and the millions like her.

Politics of Utopia and 9/11
I am sure there are many stories out there similar to mine as there were a lot of middle class that got by with little and never knew they lacked anything.Today we have more than those that came before us and we still aren't satisfied and keep looking for more.

I must say that I have more than my parents could have hoped for.We are not wealthy but do not lack for anything.We did not live beyond our means and we were able to retire ,me, at the age of 51 and my husband at 55.His family all died young and he wanted to enjoy life before it was too late.

And it was a good thing we did because he had to start dialysis yesterday..but he is doing well.

Ruth

Ruth and 9/11: Sophie's Choice is in heavy rotation right now on cable. Just watched it again the other day. That movie is stunning but I remember the first time I saw it I literally had nightmares about that scene. "Take my little girl!" Oh my goodness...it gives me chills just to type it!

Well, folks, I just had time to stop by for a minute. Off for the evening. Take care.

Tomorrow's going to be...well...we'll chat.

9/11-

You started something when you pondered what we sing to our kids. Look at everybody remembering words to songs. Makes me feel good, as if I'm in the right world - I can't seem to deal with/relate to all the new names out there in entertainment.

Speaking of the series Pioneers of Tv, if you remember the old series The Voice of Firestone, when each network had its own orchestra ( can you imagine?) there are a lot of tapes from those shows available. You can also see them often on the Classic Arts shows, a truly addictive freebie.

I have a cd of my mom's playing, just rambling along and playing whatever came to her mind. She was in her early 70's at the time and hit some clunkers, but it is a lifeline for us. She plays the Petite Waltz, Serenade from Student Prince, Joanna's theme (from an old series with Rod Taylor called 'Hong Kong'), My Heart at thy Sweet Voice ( from Samson and Delilah),Whiffenpoof Song - among others. If I knew how to put it out there for you, I would cuz I think some of you would enjoy it. She really was talented.

The Samson and Delilah mention reminds me that I recently saw a dvd of a Canadian soprano who puts on a hilarious show, singing opera beautifully but behaving ....well, she's good and funny - really funny. Her name is Natalie Choquette and her dvd's are at Amazon - called Diva. Just a suggestion - sheaks in french much of the time but she's still hilarious.

Ruth: Best wishes to your husband...

nick,

I went looking for the L.A.company of Hair on the Smothers Brothers show because I thought that it would feature Barry Maguire who played Claude.

But for this performance he was replaced by co-author James Rado.

It's still wonderful and better than any other version.

Jennifer Warnes (then Jennifer Warner) is breathtaking in her appearance and singing -- first of many appearances she made on the show.

And Gerry Ragni is somebody I met in funny places and in funny ways when I was in my early 20's -- what a genuinely great guy he was with about twenty brains worth of thinking and not a brake among 'em.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ynZsCZIMYIo

Ruth,

I've had cancer for seven years and been in chemo for six of 'em.

With a woman like you and such a family loving him and for him to love...

He's got something so strong in his favor.

BTW: Meant to say "Sad about Pakula."

And what are doing Brain? Sitting in a dark room wondering why you are alone on another friday evening? What makes you look interesting Brain, your discourse or your distemper?

That's right, recollecting memories is really soothing sores (not the ones you have on your ass sitting there for months). I guess you have no fond memories, which is all to obvious from your web site. Don't worry, the late night Obama crew should show up and make you think you're cool again.

Jennifer was a strong back-up vocal on the orbison show with springsteen and all those goobers........jennifer is as good as it gets for "female vocalist"......

Ally
The book was even better than the movie.

The cardinal reprimanded the priest that maligned Hillary.Was just on WGN.One station i still watch.At least they report the news.They don't make it

Ruth

9/11 -
You have a memory like a steel trap, don't you?

very interesting stories. : )

white men can't preach........

or dance

bettyboo,

I love the Firestone videos a lot more than the ones from the Bell Telephone Hour.

A number of classical CD albums as well as at least one video company have reissued many of the Voice of Firestone programs (which is why those turn up with such rewarding frequency on Classical Arts Showcase).

I enjoy reading about your mom's singing: I would surely enjoy hearing her!

Did you know Rod Taylor's daughter is Felicia Taylor who was on CNBC for years? (And had her heart broken by the ever bratty Dan Abrams.)

lol,

: )

I was kidding....before I get called a racist

sturge,

Ever listen to her Leonard Cohen album Famous Blue Raincoat?

Cohen (classiest of men -- just ask Tylenol or even Rufus Wainwright) called it "Jenny and Lenny".

Watching the news clips, did anyone else notice that the street sign in front of what appeared to be Scott McClellan's house reads, "Merge Left?" Struck me as funny when it was reported he might vote for Obama...

Max,

Why do you think I call him Poopsie?

Well, it's also homage to his heart(and elsewhere)throb Barack's sweetie-isms.

How's work?

Ivy,

That's -- dare I -- hysterical.

9/11: Do you call Dan bratty because he is a "player"?

Just checking back in. Can't keep up with it all. But....

9/11: Mahler. Resurrection. Will most certainly check out.

Jamie. Unlikely. Trying to figure out if if's possible to love either of you more than I already do. Don't think so.

That's all. Nothing "negative" here from Lardbutt. Go on about your business.

(Oh. Per my last post, I was arguing with my salt shaker, and all of a sudden my pepper shaker accused me of playing the race card. Not sure what that was all about. I'll just roll with it.)

you must have placed yourself above the salt.........

Jamie,

Did you ever see Ronald Ribman's "Journey of The Fifth Horse" on PBS?

It was Dustin Hoffman's first national appearance.

He plays a miserable reader in a publishing house, pulling nits from his hair, as he reads Turgenev's "Diary of a Superfluous Man" which is here a genuine diary.

He becomes enraged, so enraged he is livid and jealous that this man should be living his life and be stuck in his own.

In the end he destroys the dead author's manuscript and declares more than a little obsessively as he scratches and scratches his brush cut hair, "I am the important person, I am the important person, I am the important person..."

It's available on DVD.

However, it's available here daily though a hell of a lot less well-played and written and even more poisonous in its envy, denial and delusions.

wo..........600 posties.......

LL,

Check out the Birkin Barrie book.

Also... did the chili powder say anything?

And what about the kosher salt??

Oh -- I will post a download of Mahler's Resurrection tomorrow for you.

Ally,

I know someone who not only dated him but had him move in with her.

He browbeat her endlessly over her lovely dog -- a sweet stafforshire girl who he actually gave away to another person when she said the dog loved him and there was no reason to break up their "family".

Now... that's a brat!

Thanks Ally and 9/11

It is great what they are doing with cancer today.Many people are living today that never had a chance just a few short years ago.I have friends living with cancer and are doing well.Good luck to you 9/11

I am grateful we have medicare and of course we have a supplement and my husband can get help from the VA. because the nurse at the dialysis center said it costs between $30,000 and $40,000.Impossible for most people to pay.

My husbands kidneys were damaged when he had a blockage about 5 years ago and they they tried to do angioplasty and used over 13 probes but were unable to clear blockage.They had to do open heart and with all the dye they had used with the angioplasty and the surgery,they damaged his kidneys.He went 5 years like this until now when doctors were afraid they might shut down.He's had one treatment and is feeling better already.
I also take care of my older brother who has dementia since his wife died 2 yrs ago.
But I don't mind and have a good life and would like all people to have what they want and I think Hillary could be the step in the right direction for all of us.
We need someone who can get a health care system for all people, not just the privileged few.And I think Hillary is yhe person to do it

Ruth

Lardass: Here's Hoping it all works out with the salt and pepper.

Perhaps it would help to reflect on one of my favorite Seinfeld episodes, The Dinner Party, where Jerry buys a black and white cookie at a bakery on the way to the party (while Elaine attempts to buy a babka):

"Jerry: The thing about eating the black and white cookie, Elaine, is you want to get some black and some white in each bite. Nothing mixes better than vanilla and chocolate. And yet somehow racial harmony eludes us. If people would only look to the cookie all our problems would be solved.

Elaine: Your views on race relations are fascinating. You really should do an op-ed piece for the Times.

Jerry: Look to the cookie Elaine. Look to the cookie. (Holds the cookie up in a salute to the African American man eating the same kind of cookie)"

Look to the cookie, Lardass. Look to the cookie.

Ruth,

Of course I agree with you about Hillary and health care -- all my doctors do, too (even with their criticism for how she blew a great opportunity in the 90's.)

God bless your husband. Your both in my prayers now.

i was listening to npr a time ago and these two songwriters were on, dont remember who, but they said they once got a radio gimmick job of some sort where they had to write a song a day for 30 days......the announcer says....."wow, a song a day for 30 days.....that must have taken a lot out of you....." One of the guys started to answer and the other cut him off with....."yeah, but it took a lot more out of brahms, beethovan, mozart......."

9/11...the Vera Lynn version of "I'll Be Seeing You" was my WWII-era parents' "song". I built it into a video I made for them on their 50th Anniversary, 12 years ago. I even got a shot of them "looking at the moon" from our suburban driveway, as the camera then panned down to their 80-year-old selves.

Anyway, they are both gone now. But I never knew the traces of that song could be heard in Mahler. That's why I can't wait to hear.

Thanks. I love you. And I love so many others here. I'm so fucking sick of the acrimony and phoniness. I come here for the love and brainpower.

9/11: I am bummed about the Dan Abrams story. He is so dreamy. Now the shine has worn off.

oh, and that was per month

Ally...thanks for that post. It was really good, and I appreciated it. I think you definitely understood my point.

Ally,

Who knows?

He is so much better on camera now than he was prior to his management period.

Growth is always a possibility.

Well, almost always. For the others there's just ego swelling.

My dad also lost his kidneys due to dye. He survived heart surgery and dialysis for years only to fall victim to a rampant gut infection not caught in time. It is critical to act fast and make sure doctors and nurses are on the ball. Sometimes the little things can kill when everyone has their eye on the big problems. He complained of a stomach ache, went in and they missed it. Then weeks later the ache became a serious infection they couldn't control.

This happens all the time in good hospitals and bad ones. In today's world the elderly need a good medical plan and a smart advocate. Miss one part and the odds of mistakes rise rapidly.

Thank you 9/11
I am not church goer but I will also pray for you in my own way.
Ruth

9/11: Yes, he really has improved. I don't think the General Manager thing was all that and a bag of chips for him. Too much drama. I think he prefers being on the air. However, my main admiration of him is completely superficial...he's got that hot Jewish guy thing that I adore. And those eyes...

9/11...next time I come up there, I will definitely want to figure out how to contact you...and also Max. I'd like to meet you both, based on what you've displayed here.

(Oh. By the way. I have no idea if you and Max love each other or hate each other. I can't keep track of all the Peyton Place relationships here. All I know is who I like and respect.)

Ruth: You have been through a lot. I appreciate your sharing it because I believe it helps us all to get perspective once in a while. Make sure you take care of yourself : )

Ally...thanks for that post. It was really good, and I appreciated it. I think you definitely understood my point.

Posted by: LardassLiberal | May 30, 2008 10:47 PM

Happy to help. I totally get it.

Then Jerry get violently ill and the babka has a hair on it....

Max,
You are so right.
Too amny times invasive test are done on the elderly that can cause more damage than if they left the patient alone.My neighbor had all kinds of tests and they tore her bowel with their probes and had to do emergency surgery to repair and she died from it a few days later.She was 85.The older bodies are not as flexible and parts can tear easily.She would have been better off left alone.I think testing just to be testing can be dangerous.

Ruth

"maybe the dingo ate ch'your baby"

sorry can't help myself.....

Burrito:

Scene: After a hair is discovered on the Cinnamon babka.

Elaine: Why couldn't we have just taken the hair off and go?

Jerry: No, out of the question.

Elaine: Why?

Jerry: Because I had a bad experience with a hair when I was younger.

Elaine: What happened?

Jerry: I'd rather not talk about it.

Elaine: You can't tell me?

Jerry: All right . . . I once had a hair in my Farina and I freaked out.

Elaine: You found a hair in your Farina?

Jerry: Yeah.

Elaine: What happened?

Jerry: I started screaming, "There's a hair in my farina. There's a hair in my farina." Then I ran out of the house and I was running and running. I was little but I could run very fast. I just kept running and they found me like three hours later collapsed at a construction site.

Elaine: Wow. Whose hair was it?

Jerry: My mother's.

That episode is classic.

lol

love the series...my children were raised on the reruns....

Obama Is a Mack Daddy - Pastor Manning

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfZqMkdpYi0&feature=related

Burrito: My kids were too!

When I meet someone I tend to judge whether or not I am interested in building a relationship based on a few superficial things and two of them are:

1. Do they say the "F" word? (vulgar, I know.)

2. And do they get Seinfeldisms.

(I am not really this shallow. Am I?)

In regard to the Democrats, the Not Geroge episode is quite funny.

Ruth, the problem my dad had was a stomach ache. The SHOULD have done tests that would have revealed an infection building. They sent him home. Later when the pain got worse he went in thinking it was a digestive disorder. He told us all not to worry. He had no clue. Two days later he was dead. They missed it the first time and looking deeper would not have killed him.

So unnecessary tests can hurt and good tests are often neglected. That is why the elderly should always have a smart advocate WATCHING everything that is done.

Ally,
Don't worry about me.I am strong and have a very good life.I am healthy and love to sit in my yard swing and watch all my flowers grow.And my husband and brother are not a burden.At least not yet.I've always believed what goes around comes around and if you do what you can for others,maybe someday someone will do for you.Of course that don't always work out that way.lol
But really I would rather be the one helping that have to be the one with the bad kidneys or the dementia.

And its nice to come on this site and see so many Hillary supporters.I ignore the hate that some on this site feel.Too bad they just can't accept the fact that not everyone is in love with Obama and call us racist because of it.

I do want Hillary to fight to the convention.Pelosi said she will put an end to it.If she wants to put an end to something,she should put an end to kissing up to Bush.She should call for hearings to investigate all the criminal acts this administration has done and she should stop funding this war.She does not deserve to be Speaker.I thought it was wonderful when she got the position,but she has not lived up to the job

Ruth

lol...I actually find it difficult to find reruns, I might have to buy the set, because I think it will be off the air soon.

Everything relates to Seinfeld...good naked? man hands....muttin....the ribbon....oh i have to stop myself

mulva

peace~ everyone

imagine

Max..you got it. Check your e-mail.
Unlikely...peace and love to you, as well.

Unlikely...by the way...did "the book" arrive yet?

It is more valuable than a million Seinfeld episodes. I hope you are able to bond with it.

Brain, you're not mean, you're just pathetic. Get a friggin life dude. I mean, don't you know how embarrassing you appear? You rarely say anything insightful, just cut and paste. Read, work out, find a nice boyfriend and go to the park. I mean the Trail squatting and snide comments are creepy. I picture you in a tootoo singing for Obama (and I have seen your picture). It is sad really.

I'm worried for you. If Craig pulled the plug, what would you do? Far Left will never be mainstream, not in your lifetime.Obama at the best will dissapoint you for going centtrist. At worst, he'll get run out of office or lose this November. Stop projecting and identifying. The mission of the Far Left has been to destroy the Democrats. Don't kid yourself, they'll wake up sooner or later.

Ruth: It sounds like you have a great attitude. I admire you.

Burrito: I gave the full set to my husband for Christmas. It's definitely part of our history together. What a sad little life we lead...

MULVA! That reminds me of when our boys were little (toddlers) they called our Volvo the Vulva (quite by accident but we thought it was so hysterical we never corrected them!)

Goodnight all. Maybe we should call nice, quiet evenings on the blog: Festivus for the Rest of Us.

Ally...I'm on board with that for sure. But my salt and pepper shakers are still wrestling around on the kitchen table! So there's lots of tension here. LOL.

Damndest voice I've ever heard on a 13yr old

Tanya preforming on HeHa at age 13

Tanya tucker-Delta dawn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxRYMiitmho

Patsi
I wish you could get youtube< I keep running across songs and saying there is one for Patsi.
Jack

Max
I would think they could have found out he had an infection with a simple blood test.Blood tests are not invasive and they can reveal a lot.It's too bad about your dad.I am sorry

Ruth

Ruth
You are in my thoughts. Good fortune for your husband.
Take care of yourself. Do that first, too many are counting on you.

Jack

Jamie...by the way...thanks for being the perpetual flame of intelligence here. Your contribution is so obvious and ever-present, which makes it easily taken for granted.

I'm signing off now. Night all.

Jack...make them damn Royals win one for a change!

Jack,
Saw Tanya Tucker some years back at a local county fair .What an entertainer.She performed with a hoarse voice because of a cold,but she still gave a knockout performance.

Ruth

My wife is home, the world is good.

Went looking for a bottle of white wine.
Damn I love Ronald Reagan. In the 80's he had the dollar so high that I learned to like top quality German wines. All I had to know was to read the lable. Look for Pratikat on the lable it meant a good german wine.. Good wine was going for 4,5,6 dollars a bottle. Looked today all pratikat wines were 25--80 dollars a bottle.
George Bush you are no Ronald Reagan. But then we knew this.

Jack

Thanks Jack
And I do take care of myself.Everyone always tells me i do too much,but none of them see how much time I spend on myself.I spend way too much time on this pc.and I used to spend too much time watching msnbc and Cnn which i now avoid like the plague.I spend hours just goofing off and when people say oh you do too much.I often wonder what they do.My husband and I have a large garden,lots of fruit trees,strawberries.We raise and butcher our own meat with some help.And I freeze much of what we raise and give away the rest.But this only takes a fraction of my time.
I often laugh to myself and wonder what they would say if they saw how much time I spend doing absolutely nothing.

Ruth

ll and max,

Of course I like you both.

Everyone else... the same.

So goodnight to all who are here and everyone who isn't but who sometimes or usually works the late shift --

Dex and Rezdog for starters and everyone else equally.

Lots happening tomorrow -- work with fundraisers, work on a new project that decided to use me as its inkwell, either see Before The Rains with gf or stay home and watch The Apartment.

Politics doth make Bud Baxters of us all. So let us follow the advice of Fran Kubelik who knew life says "Shut up and deal!"

Goodnight all.

May you sleep well and dream even better.

9/11
Gosh you make me laugh .Where do you come up with that stuff..I'm still laughing

Ruth

husband watching John Wayne in "She wore a Yellow Ribbon"

LL

I hate to point this out but it is always a rebuilding year.

What is sad is to watch the playoffs. No Royals goes with out saying. But I see all these great players and damn I remember when they were a Royal. Renne cusses Johnny Damon, I say to my self, I remember when he was the next George Brett. Sigh, but unlike George he moved on. It gets to become a game at playoff time, count the exRoyals.

The weather has warmed up. Time to go out for a few games. I was talking to my wife about it last weekend.

Jack

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