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Top of the mornin

Sun not up here yet, but promises to be a beautiful day.
Wonder why Elizabeth Edwards did not go to Michigan with John. She was on all the morning shows touting Senator Clintons health care. I do not think from her tone that she believes in BHO.. Hope she is allright, and her health is not the reason she was absent.

Julie

she's on the stage too......she should say something.

maybe Edwards should have endorsed himself back a ways........maybe he'd have more than 18 delegates.

"Wall Of Sound" Engineer Dies

(Los Angeles, CA) -- The man who helped Phil Spector build his Wall of Sound has been silenced. The "Los Angeles Times" says recording engineer Larry Levine died last Thursday at his home in Encino, passing away on his 80th birthday. Levine worked closely with Spector in the early '60s at Santa Monica's Gold Star Recording Studios, translating the producer's grandiose ideas into actual audio. Gold Star co-owner Stan Ross, who was Levine's cousin, notes Larry, quote, "made Phil Spector a genius by applying the simple logic of using echo chamber."
Levine was the engineer behind such hits as the Ronettes' "Be My Baby," the Crystals' "Da Doo Ron Ron," and the Righteous Brothers' "You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling," while he also worked with such greats as Eddie Cochran, the Beach Boys, Sonny and Cher, Wings, the Carpenters, and Dr. John. But he only earned one Grammy in his career. He got the nod for his efforts on Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass' 1965 hit "A Taste of Honey."

Wow it just ate my post...

M0rning sturg:
Yes it is too bad that edwards had to give up so early in the race..
Wonder if his endorsement really will have a impact on Kentucky. Ky is pretty loyal, just like WV.

Julie

Sturg -- Thank you for posting the obit of Larry Levine. An unsung artistic hero indeed.

I'm sorry but I'm not dazzled and awe struck by John Edwards or
his endorsement. Yes. He's done a lot for the underprivleged but so have
Hillary and Bill Clinton. I just thought it was so "politics as usual" when,
after Obama is beaten by a landslide, David Alexlrod does a back door
deal with Edwards to overshadow Hillary's win. It's all so old politics.
I thought Obama was the candidate of the New postmodern Dems?
What was Edwards promised? A VP slot? Power in the Obama inner
circle? John Edwards is probably a decent man, but I don't see how
he is going to help Obama that much because he was always portrayed by the media as a super-elitist--remember he ran with Kerry, Mr. Elite and don't
forget those 600 dollar hair cuts and the primping in the mirror.
Also, what's so wonderful about being endorsed by a man who lost twice?
I'm just saying.

Just looked at the last survey usa and says clinton 63-27 mirroring WV.. It will be interesting to see next monday morning poll. Said the poll had been steady for a month with little change.

Julie

Hey, why is Obama wearing a flag pin, now? I recall not too long ago, he said that wearing a flag pin was so "old politics" and phony. He claimed he didn't need any outward symbols to demonstrate his patriotism.

Looks like Obama isn't so progressive after all. His deep beliefs seem pretty
hallow, shifting with the political winds.

bull pundit.....lol

Obama sudden patriotism is not impressive, as I see it. Too little too late. He was the one that said continually Senator Clinton will do anything to win. Looks like he is of the same ilk. I don't see Senator Clinton giving up until the convention..

Julie

Julie

Edwards delegates are on CNN right now. One of them 18 years old who says she liked Edwards because her parents did and the other one is an Edwards campaign worker. They both said that they are going to support Obama. Both of them also said they like Hillary and would like a dream team ticket.

After spending time with people on the pro-Hillary lists, I think it's safe to day that a VEEP slot would be the only thing to keep them in the DEM party. I have a too many friends who are saying they will vote McCain, or write-in Hillary. These are activist, intelligent, well-educated women who have money. They are insulted by Obama's arrogance and what is perceived to be misogynistic treatment of Hillary by his surrogates and propmeisters in the MSM. It will take nothing less than a Hillary VEEP to keep them. Obama's late-game platitudes aren't cutting it.

Travis Childers won in LA speical election -- he had ads up specifically disassociating himself from Obama. He said "I don't know him, I never even met him...." Ha! Obama's got negative coattails in the red states.

If Hillary has the dirty on BO as it has been claimed, sure wish she would use it. He sure doesn't play with clean fingers.
Michigan & Florida will be a real test. Seems a double edged sword. If the put them in play, the delegate goes to 2210. If not and BO declares next week, he will certainly lose both states. Reason for Michigan visit yesterday.

j

Prof Marcia -- You have exactly right -- for such a new political paradigm of change guy, Obama sure does court the old tired horses -- Kennedy, Kerry, Dodd, now Edwards the also-ran.

I know there are many women Hillary supporters on this blog--
I can't name you all but I appreciate you--Ally, Ruth, Oregon
Democrat, many others.

Please read the Washington Post article today, May 15, by
Marie Cocco, "Misogyny I Won't Miss." It could just as well be
entitled, "I'm A Democrat and Why I Can't Vote For Obama."

This powerful article highlights the sexism that has overshadowed
Hillary Clinton's run for the presidency.

have to laugh about EDWARDs ..he was on msnbc with his BULL S***.....i not tellin who I voted for!!!

Now trying to get the publics attention....WELL he is a stranger to media coverage!!!

Personally, I don't think Obama will gain as many votes as we might assume with Clinton on the ticket. Many women will see her role as VP as just another example of a woman playing a subserviant role to a man. And he risks alienating his own voters with her on the ticket.

The Edwards endorsement is yet another example of people like Edwards not REALLY understanding the dynamic of the party right now. Last week Edwards claimed to want party unity, but taking the story away from Hillary yesterday and further alienating her supporters is not a step toward unity. It's a step toward this new coaltion that the Obama campaign speaks of and, unfortunately, many Clinton supporters will not be part of this new coalition. As I have said before, I'm sure the bean counters in the Obama campaign have crunched the numbers and believe they can win without her base. I hope they're right.

ronnie and larry levine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ONH3hIjO3c

Julie-
I think John Edwards implied last week on MoJo that he and Elizabeth voted differently.

CNN covering the Obama-Edwards event by playing the clip of Edwards praising Hillary-MOJO covering the event by playing the clip of the audience booing when Edwards mentions Hillary-Obama sitting there with that smug look on his face. I don't know what I'll do in November--my husband hasn't decided either.

Prof. Marcia: Yes, i read that article in the Post online a couple of days ago. It certainly addresses a lot of the reasons I won't miss this primary and will begin to detach from the process, which is what a lot of Clinton supporters will do.

ubns: No offense, but I really don't think Obama needs your vote or my vote. That campaign has been run with a very strong attention to math. They know that many of us might not turn out for him and I believe they have run the numbers and know they can win without the traditional coalition of the Democratic party (white women over the age of 35, elderly and working class.)

Already made up my mind to write in Clinton for Pres.
Even if she is on ticket with Bo. My conscience just will not let me vote for him.

j

Craig or anyone,

I have some important questions, while at least they seem important to me.
What is the magic number of delegates that Hillary and Obama need to
win the nomination?The pundits seem to be saying one number and Hillary Clinton has a different number. Doesn't the math change if Florida and Michigan are counted?

If Obama reaches the correct number of delegates before May 31st when
the Democratic committee will decide the fate of Florida and Michigan, does
that mean the race is over?

What if Hillary Clinton disputes Obama's number and demands Michigan and
Florida be seated before a winner is declared? Can she do this?

Did I ask too many questions for so early in the morning?

Hillary Clinton is dearly loved in Kentucky..i doubt if Edwards will sway too many of us in Kentucky..

Nick: The booing last night when Clinton's name was mentioned by John Edwards is a poor reflection of the new coalition and their desire to unify the party. It just isn't there. Unity as it is presented by the Obama campaign means bringing in Independents and Republicans. It never meant the One American that Edwards speaks of and it doesn't mean folding in Clinton supporters.

(I meant to say "One America")

I don't think Edwards is gonna pull many Hil'ry supporters toward BO. Clearly, he thinks BO can promise him a position in his administration. Yeah, right...just like his VP-ship last go-round. Blind party loyalty has caused him to hitch his star to the wrong wagon.

Craig, I think this campaign will go down in history as creating a viable 3rd party. A party for the middle. The neo-conz hijacked the GOP & now the liberal left coast-types have hijacked the Democratic party.

A WRITE-IN CAMPAIGN FOR HIL'RY!!!

prof Marcia - Is BO wearing a regular flag pin or the "joke" 57 state flag pin someone cranked out already? (Gotta love folks for quick production of all the silly crap you could ever want to buy.) Someone named carol popped by the other day & said that there were 57 Islamic states...checked the net & it seems that is so. One more thing the GOP will use to sink BO in the general...since it seems the Dems are intent on running with a Kerry-esque ticket, again. Heck, maybe just put Edwards up as veep & we can relive the whole, stinkin' election.

BO is clearly a hypocrit. If he is backed into a corner, he will pander to certain groups of voters & denounce his pastor, say he loves his country & accessorize...all the while trying to hide the bad taste these things leave in his mouth with a smile.

Al Gore isn't gonna pull Hil'ry voters toward BO, either. Fortunately, he has had the good sense to keep it to himself so far.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080515/pl_bloomberg/aq0blb6vk6h8

Hil'ry in '08!!!

Considering how I spent last evening around my sister's kids , two of whom are adopted , I'm kinda at a loss right now. I saw that Barack got the Pro Choice endorsement yesterday. I realize that if it weren't for birth mothers of my niece's choosing adoption , they wouldn't be here. I'm not knocking pro choice , I'm just starting to realize why I am an independent. I don't fully agree with Dems on some issues and I don't fully agree with Repubs on some issues. I'm more toward the center , not far left or far right.

a politician is a politician is a politician.......

--Gertrude Stein

Obama was compared to a rock star in Grand Rapids.

Hmmmmm... "Do anything to win?" What would you prefer, "Do anything to LOSE?" Heck, as long as there are moronic "bloggists" out there...possibly such as yourself (and I stress "possibly") not to mention a media core bent on doing Obama's crucifixion, Wright, (pun, intended) my man's already covered on the "do anything to lose" front.

What is interesting about BHO is that he has now conclusively proven that he is not only a politician but a truly viscious politician. The timing last night of the Edwards endorsement to sucker punch Clinton and step all over the road block to the news shows coming out of of WV was brilliant.

BHO (or his backers) in previous campaigns have not hesitated to destroy the other candidate. This time around courtesy of a media that narrowed the field, an old lions power/money coalition that wanted their power back, the built in inequities of the election process, the still existent sexism in our society, and most importantly the missteps of the Clinton campaign we now have what is likely to be another appointed and annointed President.

There is always the possibility of some election destroying event, Clinton's quote of she wouldn't quit and she "wouldn't be pushed out" but would "work for the party" tells you two things. She recognized what had happened, knew the odds have now become almost insurmountable, and now says "party" rather than "candidate".

It is now up to her backers to decide whether to support Obama, the Party, or write in her name as a protest (useless but principaled position). I have a sneaking suspicion Elizabeth Edwards just may be one of the write ins.

Ally, prof marcia--I read the Marie Cocco article the other day as well--for me, it reinforced the belief of those of us who have been less than pleased with the
msm coverage of this primary. That she actually calls out specific individuals is interesting, although at this point in time the damage has been done.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/14/AR2008051403090.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

As far as John Edwards endorsing Obama (as a former Edwards supporter), it has no effect on my views today--Hillary has proven to be the best candidate to win the presidency in November.

It remains to be seen as to who I will vote for in November, to soon to make that decision. Not prepared to jump on the bandwagon.

what if the "center" is just one point on a circle........

5/14/2008

"After a landslide victory in West Virginia, the Clinton Campaign today announced that former Kentucky Governors Wendell Ford, Paul Patton, John Brown, and Julian Carroll are endorsing Hillary for President. The endorsements demonstrate the widespread support Hillary continues to receive throughout the Bluegrass State."

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=7701

long..........where was the pun?

The negativity is getting to me as well. It seems as if there are no boundaries to it now. I was kinda wondering last night about what brings or brought people to post here when they first arrived. This place has changed quite a bit since I first joined. It's definitely not the same atmosphere it was 2 years ago.

Craig: it was good to see you on Verdict last night. I'm never coherent enough to catch Imus in the morning ...

Good morning,

The timing of Edward's endorsement was a slap in the face to the people who have voted for Clinton. It did nothing to bring me closer to pulling the lever (or pushing the button) for Obama in November.

Thanks for the heads up on the Washington Post article.

jamie - But as you said the other day, wouldn't it be nice to hear the number of write-in votes for Hil'ry (if the Dems are foolish enough to run BO). Still, it's more important to me to keep that arrogant, insincere, incompetent man out of office...so we'll see what the GOP can come up with.

Rasmussen:

"However, if Clinton does not win the Democratic Party nomination, 29% of Democrats say she should run an Independent campaign for the White House. "

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/38_of_democrats_want_clinton_to_drop_out

Jamie: It was just too much to ask for Hillary to have 24 hours of positive media coverage for her win in West Virginia. Why? Because she won West Virginia by 41 points without any negative campaigning. There was no 3 am ad for the NY Times to blame the Obama loss on as they did in their op-d "The Low Road to Victory" op-ed the day after the Pennsylvania primary:

"The Pennsylvania campaign, which produced yet another inconclusive result on Tuesday, was even meaner, more vacuous, more desperate, and more filled with pandering than the mean, vacuous, desperate, pander-filled contests that preceded it."

The media isn't comfortable with a narrative that speaks of Obama's weaknesses, only Clinton's.

Hi Ally,

I'm glad you read the article. I'm comforted by the fact I'm not alone
in my feelings about being let down by the Democratic Party.
How could all these so-called humanitarian uniters allow the sort of misoginistic rhetoric to proliferate during this primary? What? Sexism is
okay but racism isn't?
I can't forgive or forget quickly.
There is no way I would ever feel comfortable voting for Obama.
I think that Camp Obama is seriously underestimating Hillary women
supporters. I know of several like me who won't be voting for Obama
in the general.

Jamie, you rightly point out---

'It is now up to her backers to decide whether to support Obama, the Party, or write in her name as a protest (useless but principaled position)."

As previously stated, will not jump on the Obama bandwagon, have not decided who gets a vote in November, however, as a long time democrat, I can assure you of one thing--as to the dem. party, I have no respect for it or those who are in control of it--will in all likelihood change my registration to independent for
the forseeable future.

Marcia: I don't think the Obama camp is underestimating anything...I don't think believe they feel they need the votes. They have a plan for winning that doesn't include much of HIllary's base (Donna Brazile said as much.) And they might be right.

(Not "think believe" just "believe". Sorry!)

Interesting piece that lists Top 10 McCain stories that are worth pursuing. Including, in no particular order, that he's physically unfit, possibly morally unfit, a closet misogynist and an ethics hypocrite. Nice way to start the day:

http://thephoenix.com/article_ektid61555.aspx

Edwards endorsement coming right after Hillary's route in WV will only alientiate Hillary's giant coaltion (largest in the country) we know Obama was behind this back handed attempt to down play WV.
Craig, please NOTE, Hillary's backers including my whole family will NOT vote for OBama if Hillary is on the ticket either on top or as VP, we will either vote for Mccain or do the writein.

Mel7

The women in my group are in their late 50s to early 70s. I'm the baby of the group. One thing that this campaign has done has awakened latent feminism in some, and reawakened the pre-existing but almost forgotten feminism of others. You know the feminist "click?" My feminist click has been clattering LOUDLY throughout this entire primary season. We are withdrawing -- to work on ratification of the ERA, to form consciousness-raising circles, to read second-wave feminist tracts in newly-formed feminist book clubs. Our local NOW chapter's membership has grown significantly.
Let's join NOW and work on passage of ERA. Let's heal by teaching our sons and daughters the need to overcome our society's deeply embedded sexism and misogyny.

I keep reading, and copying clips to congratulate from Jamie, Prof Marcia, Ally, Coreen, Alicia, ubns, sturge -- well, almost EVERY post! Too many great posts this morning!

Patsi: Did you see that our boyfriend is on MOJO this morning? Harold? It has been sublime.

Kentucky Blue Grass, what will they do... and does it really matter?

Ally - interesting to define unity from BHO.... my concern is that it is not compromise.. it is my BHO way or the Highway

LL , The Tigers had Frank White on their pre-game last night. I had not seen him in a long time. I always liked him as a player.

mornin'all.

Sorry to hear about Larry Levine dying - he was one hell of a sound engineer.

The Edwards endorsement was inevitable - Mrs.Pogo's comment was that he is a chickenshit who was too much of a coward to endorse either candidate before their victory was all but certain. Plus she asked how a two time loser really helps him anyway. Leno already had a joke ready about his cabinet appointment in and Obama adminsitration - Secretary of Blow Dryers and Highlights. (I hope I got that right).

Edwards SHOULD help Obama in KY. He speaks to and like many KYians. Whether he will or not is anyone's guess at this point. We'll have to see who's willing to sip Maker's Mark - there's your winner in KY.

"Still, it's more important to me to keep that arrogant, insincere, incompetent man out of office...so we'll see what the GOP can come up with.' Posted by: blueINdallas

I'm not sure we can accomplish that by a write in. it will just be splitting the vote and that is always a loser. Like you say, we'll see what the GOP can come up with. Really, the only way to "keep the arrogant, insincere, incompetent man out of office" is, unfortunately, to vote for McCain and Democratic down the rest of the ticket.

IS IT time for a REAL and Electable independent to step up and run for the office !!!!
Could this be the cycle that could happen>....

Bloomieeee where are you ???

Alicia: Right on Sister!

Corey

Don't you think that the program dear teddy and weasel howard have been trying to push down the throats of he democratic party isn't divisive? When they set about to literally destroy the party as it has been and divide the ranks, it is bound to cause opposition from both sides of the line.
Seems the far left think that BO the messiah is going to ...change... the political process. Hogwash. Washington is not going to pander to him. They just want the strings to pull the power behind him.

Julie

I read the WA PO editorial and will be sending it to everyone on my email list. I posted a link on my blog as well.

BO's campaign is now obviously "My Way or the Highway" and his highway is a low, low road.

Prof Marcia

I agree with you 100%.. since Kennedy had his tantrum in Feb I knew the "fix" was in. BO is the invention of the DNC and has been advantaged by the power , network etc.therein. like strong arming delegates to support BO with threats of opponents in districts. As of the WV win ..Hillary has won more congressional districts nationwide than BO by 227-186.. so much for the "will" of the people.

This coronation is about REVENGE..and Edwards' endorse is also revenge with HYPOCRISY.

REVENGE: Kennedy is furiuos with BillClinton since 1994 when Bill stopped listening to him and advanced his own agenda after the 1994 loss of Dem. Congress.. TK also never forgave Bill for signing the Welfare Reform Act. Dean was opposed by Clintons in 2004 when he ran for DNC chair. Edwards wanted SC primary win desperately as his home state and blamed Clintons for hard ball campaigning duh!!

HYPOCRISY: 1) The working class voters that Edwards championed.. son of mill worker. are Hillary's people.. not Obama. (elite far left and idealist college kids) and 2) the establishment candidate/inside Washingtonthat Edwards made Hillary out to be.. is none other than Obama.

The DNC, Kennedy, Dean have sold out the heart and soul of the Democratic Party for nothing more than revenge and fielded there blank slate/no record/ hand picked candidate and advantaged him tremendously.

Why else would BO arrogantly switch from primary to GE mode and risk alienating uncommitted super delegates before the end of primary contest.. or convention unless he has assurrances that he will get the nomination. It is unprecendented to take these all important SD for granted.. how arrogant!! which just adds to his horrid persona.

I hope the voters of KY stay loyal!!!

Corey...yes, Frank White was always such a class act. He was a KC native who basically grew up in the shadow of the ballpark and was a product of something called the Royals Baseball Academy...and went on to be a huge star with the hometown team.

Julie , where I live (20 minutes) from last night's rally , is very conservative. Anything too far left will not be supported here. Michigan has not voted Republican since 1988. But , if you look at the last few elections , the Republicans (George Bush) got a lot of support from West Michigan. Normally the election is decided by the voters on the east side of the state (Detroit). It's always East vs. West here in Michigan. I think there are 4 classifications now. Democrats and liberals. Republicans and conservatives. Everybody is sensitive as to what they are labled. Some people consider themselves to be conservatives , but not neccessarily Republicans. They may not always vote with a certain party. They may also vote for the candidate the best represents their views. Be that candidate a Democrat or a Republican.

" Did you see that our boyfriend is on MOJO this morning?"

Oh, yeah, Ally. I was watching! He's so good....even handed, unlike most.

"I think there are 4 classifications now. Democrats and liberals. Republicans and conservatives." Corey

Corey, but what about the "moderates". They're no longer welcome or represented in the "new" coalition of the Democratic party, so who's going to represent them? If they are booting out Hillary, aren't they booting us out with her. I know I'll not back the same organization that planned this whole thing.

What a crazy season that anything can happen.

Can you imagine James Carville saying something that makes sense? It has happened.

Today as the MSM keeps trying to push HRC as a Racist - he was asked would HRC reject any votes by a white person that voted because of race? WHAT A SET UP... very disappointing.

But James did very well... He respond asking the same question that should you not count the vote if people vote for BHO because he is black.

This morning the DC station that carries Imus cut Craig off when he was talking about cutting down some trees and went to a commercial break. When they came back he was done. Did this happen to anybody else?

Did James say he wrote out the check yet?

Exactly , Meg. It seems like there is no room for middle ground in either party at times. I don't get that at all.

Meg,
The Dems are on the way to CHANGE...... Do you not get the message !!

Change Change Change... There is no room for you as a moderate....

The Reps are just a little ahead - as the leadership took the party to far right and that is why the Dems have gained. Now when they go to far left, Rep rebuild then the cycle will come back around.

What else did James say this morning?

Alicia - You're right that Travis Childers seemed to intentionally create distance between himself and Sen. Obama, which is interesting. Childers presents himself as almost more Republican (pro gun, pro life, same sex marriage). That's what it takes to win in his district, which is actually in MS.

the squeaky wheel gets the grease.......

--marvin wheelwright

The elephant in the Democrat's living room is indeed an elephant. At the very time the left (and I consider myself pretty far left, albeit highly pragmatic) thinks they've taken control, the new people being elected, such as Travis Childers -- are conservatives. Some of them are fine -- I love Jim Webb and Jon Tester -- but they won their seats BECAUSE they are conservative Democrats.

Many of them are anti-choice.

And speaking of choice, some chapters of NARAL are defecting, refusing to accept national's endorsement of Obama.

Prof Marcia' s inquiry about # of delegates needed @ 7:30 a.m

Reading today's NYT (the real paper, not the net version) it provides info about the makeup of the rules committee panel & the potential impact of their decision.

Here's the link, but I could not link to the 2 graphs which are to the side of the article --Who's who on a democratic panel & the impact of the committee's
decision---which may be helpful to those wondering what may loom ahead for Hillary's efforts with regard to FL & MI.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/15/us/politics/15rules.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper&oref=slogin

"The DNC, Kennedy, Dean have sold out the heart and soul of the Democratic Party for nothing more than revenge " BOWWOW

Bowwow, when you talk I listen.
Is there any other way to show Dean and the others we won't take it other than voting for their opponent?? I'm still in the decision phase here, but know the only way to beat them is to vote for their opponent. They think we'll all "come home" as they put it, no matter what they do or have done, but I'm a life long Democrat and know I can never vote for Obama and what he and his have done to Hillary.

This morning I wrote my Not One Dime Not One Minute email to NARAL to go with the one I sent to the Democratic Party.

Quit Fooling -- Ha! I just posted and then saw your post -- great minds thinking alike?

Vad......i listen on wabc online......they didnt cut anything

Jamie -- have you read the NARAL message boards? Whoa! And I hear that the most angry posts were deleted!

Is anyone else having computer issues lately? I was spinning through a bunch of my favorite bookmarked porn sites last night, and right in the middle of a Laotian man-on-dog video, my Vista calendar started blinking and rearranging my appointments and all kinds of other wacky stuff. I was thinking at first it might have something to do with giving my date of birth and bank account number to pay for membership on the unregistered, foreign bestiality site...but now after reading through all the problems people were having yesterday, I'm thinking it's TypeKey and has something to do with my pro-Hillary posts this site. Thoughts anyone? Craig, can you have CQ's IT folks look into this please?

Please don't go there , LL. Please.

With only six months before the election, I doubt there is time to form a truly moderate and centrist third party (just deciding on a platform could involve blood and mayhem). It might be a good project for the next four years ... Anybody know Bloomberg? We need lots and lots of money. : )

Sorry Corey. I couldn't resist. But I guess reading through all the computer conspiracy posts at once was funnier and less painful than living through them in real time.

LALI

Be careful ... the powers that be at Microsoft will send their VISTA posse out to place a pod by your bed. You are doomed and don't know it.

Now would be the best time for an independent run for Hillary.Third parties have not had much success in the past because the candidaters did not have a large enough following or they were so far off the main stream of the American people.But now we have a very strong candidate.There are so many disenfranchised voters who will be left out of the process if our only choices will be McCain or Obama.Hillary would give us a voice and she has as much of a chance as the two mainstream candidates.We have been tied to the two party system for too long.

This is our best chance to change American government that we will ever have.
Ruth

ah, that Lardass is such a troublemaker. Don't forget folks, LL started the Hillary write-in movement -- so it could be those Obama Apple users sabotaging your PC

Coreen, thanks much for the link to the Times article on the Rules Committee - interesting read. Here is the one part of it I found very interesting:

"His [Obama's] campaign hopes that the question becomes moot, and plans are afoot for Mr. Obama to claim the nomination on May 20, when the Oregon primary is expected to give him a majority of pledged delegates."

Ummmm, isn't that a little premature? And the woman from WV on the rules committee - Alice Germond - is very likely to support Clinton although she is not formally committed.

ProfM, that's not an easy question to answer, because we don't know how many of the FL & MI delegates will be seated. The real answer is a majority of the total delegates eligible to vote for the party nominee. No less than 2025 and no more than 2209.

Wow! That comments page at the NARAL site is something to read

http://www.blogforchoice.com/archives/2008/05/end-of-the-day.html

Jamie...liked your posts yesterday. Here are a few things for the victorious Obama troops to consider in the runup to Denver the next time they want to continue crapping (and tap dancing) all over Hillary like they did with the timing of the Edwards endorsement:

1. What will a nationally televised convention look like if half the delegates on the floor are totally pissed off over how they've been treated?

2. What will "Hillary night" at the convention look like?

3. Will former two-term Democratic president Bill Clinton be pigeonholed into the role of a spouse on "Hillary night" or will he be given his own showcase to rally the troops?

In other words, Obama folks, it's up to YOU PEOPLE (your favorite phrase) to unify the party, starting right now -- not Hillary.

ruth, fix your problem or still c/p from word?

"I doubt there is time to form a truly moderate and centrist third party" Jamie

But Hillary is our tailor made Candidate. And she's got a winning platform now. And it's catching on. But she's too much of a loyal Democrat to betray them in any way. And that's what we're left with.

Well Nader and the Green Party impacted the Democratic Party last time. The only problem with the delight of spitting in Kennedy and Pelosi's faces it that it would get us McCain. We know how that worked out last time.

This is the NARAL comment page from right after the endorsement. Nearly 3,000 comments:

http://www.blogforchoice.com/archives/2008/05/naral-prochoice-6.html

Here's the web page of the only man who could pay for a third party ... write him a note

http://www.nyc.gov/portal/site/nycgov/?front_door=true

Lal..as always..you are hilarious!!! 8~D

ummmm...any chance you have nudie pics on a myspace page??

It is so nice to come on early this morning with nothing but nice people.Haven't read a negative post yet.How refreshing
Ruth

Meg,

I'm mulling over how to organize a serious write-in campaign effort with national reach. This will prevent BO for being the next Pres. but we must ensure that the Dems win BIG down ticket to get a veto proof Congress. I think McCain is in for 4 yrs and out!! Plus he isn't W.. more moderate and has a brain

Will wait and see who the VP is. If Hillary is asked (I doubt it because of revenge factors) but if.. she will have to take it with a mouth full of bile. If she doesn't and BO still loses in Nov.. guess who gets the blame???

I hope this is the last time the Dems even think about running a far left candidate... I am progressive and left.. but the country is in the center and that's where you WIN!!! WIN!! Jim Webb comes to mind.

Ted Kennedy infuriates me. love his issues ..but how many times do you have to whacked in the side of the head to get it!! McGovern.. Dukakis Mondale!!!

Hillary is the strongest candidate on so many levels.. she's in the center and just think of the moderate Repub/independ women that would flock to her...

But this is about power.. Kennedy will be the new Cheney..

LushIs...we lardasses have our very own social networking site called "myverylargespace.com." And mercifully, they don't allow nudie shots!!

"that Lardass is such a troublemaker. Don't forget folks, LL started the Hillary write-in movement -- so it could be those Obama Apple users sabotaging your PC"

Ha! On the other hand, several years ago, I got a PC laptop specifically for internet use. This was during theKerry/Bush campaign. I often posted on a political site, and the Freepers invaded and were AWFUL! It got very personal, and suddenly, I got a computer virus that started putting porn all over my desktop. (I used to be very bad about opening emails without thinking, so I'm sure it was my own fault.)

BUT, several people on the message board, who had got into it with these young, radical Bush-bots, reported the exact same thing happening. I had to take the lap top to a computer place and have an exorcism performed. Those of us who'd had that happen left the message board.....and I gave the lap top to my son and went back to my Mac computers.

Ruth: It's still early.

I got an idea for Hillary to get some headlines today. Get Joe Biden to endorse her. The media loves him because he speaks his mind. Then tomorrow to get some more headlines get Gore to endorse her. he may not be the best get in the world but it will get the front page story. A bigger play is have both of them on the same day.

Pogo
I have not had to c/p.Ican post ok,only problem is if I post at 9:00 for instance,then I can not read posts after 9 so that is why I just type one letter to keep up.

Ruth

VaDaryl...I love your suggestions, but they sort of remind me about that old saw about the foolproof way to become a millionaire:

"First, get a million dollars. Then...(fill in the blank)."

It is traditional for the nomination to be by acclimation once the requisite numbers have been passed. If I were staging a protest, that would be a good time for every Clinton vote to stand up and walk out of the convention and to do the same for the acceptance speech.

The delegates could have all sorts of fun if they had the guts.

I told my husband I wasn't cooking last night in protest after the Edwards endorsement. He promptly e-mailed John and said: "Thanks a lot. Because you couldn't wait a lousy 3 weeks to support a candidate I didn't get to have Pork Loin Roast with Fig Port Sauce for dinner."

Ruth
Ha, quiet is because the NYC guy isn't on before noon. Sheila is gone for a while & Sturg and Warren are usually more passive toward us Clinton listers . Noone gets too riled in the mornings. We are all still half asleep.
How was your strawberry rhubard pie? Jus thinking makes my diabetic diet swoon. WIsh I lived close to you!
Julie

VaDaryl...I love your suggestions, but they sort of remind me about that old saw about the foolproof way to become a millionaire:

"First, get a million dollars. Then...(fill in the blank)."

Also, I'm not usually big on conspiracy theories, but that incident got me thinking about some news stories -- mainly the one about Ritter, the Iraq critic, supposedly getting busted for having child porn on his computer. So I asked my son, who has a very heavy duty security clearance, what would stop people who wanted to go after someone for political purposes from doing it via some virus. He just laughed and said it would be easy to put something like porn into a computer, then bust the person probably before they even knew the stuff was there.

I can not read posts after 9 so that is why I just type one letter to keep up. Ruth

Nothing wrong with that.
Another way to do it, if you want, is to go back to Craig's original post and click comments again-then it reloads.

good morning gang.....

Lardass...... LOL!......

Craig..... I'm a Clinton supporter Apple user.....
think I'll go get my eye of newt and some bat wings..... gonna brew me a curse.....

Corey.... I originally came here for the humor..... now I'm here because there's many I genuinely think of as friends (yourself included)....

and Lardass..... I agree..... if Obama is the presumptive nominee..... it is up to him and his supporters to unify the party.... not the other way around...

and Ally..... I respectively disagree with you..... I think that the Howard Deans and Donna Brazilles did think the Clinton supporters would eventually come around and support Obama.... I think they've been caught by surprise and are in for a very rude awakening.....

If you would like to move support from NARAL, here is the link for Emily's List

http://www.emilyslist.org/

Do the Republicans have an organization that's similar to the Dem's DLC? I think the centrists from both parties merged into one would be powerful and appealing. The voices of reason.

He just laughed and said it would be easy to put something like porn into a computer, then bust the person probably before they even knew the stuff was there.
Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page

But then there are those who make fun of us for reporting a problem. They think it's laughable.

Ya know, Ruth, I wondered what that one letter stuff was about. So you have to post to refresh the page? That's weird.

Meg & Bowwow, the problem with independent runs is ballot access so that the candidate's name appears on the ballot in enough states to make a difference. It's the organization, not the candidate, that is problematic for an indie run, which is why you have a Nader on the Green party ticket, for instance - that party has an organizationin place in enough states to get on the ballot and swing an election. If preventing an Obama victory in Nov. (as opposed to seeing a Clinton one) is your goal, the question this year is what states will matter? Obama probably can't beat McCain in FL, PA, OH or WV. He seems to be thinking about VA, NM, CO, OR - those are the states where an org on the ground could make a difference. Plus CA strikes me as a state that could go that way, too. I don't advise this, though - the judiciary is too important from my perspective to torpedo the Dem. candidate in Nov., but I'm just sayin'.

Ruth -- NOTHING beats a rhubarb pie!!!!!

Vadaryl,
I wish it could be but it is a dream to think Gore would support Hillary.The MSM are always saying that he hates Hillary.Now Joe biden would be a real coup.But the way things have been going he would probably jump on the Obama bandwagon.
Maybe if she offered him V.P.he would do it.I wouldn't have minded him being the nominee.But MSM ignored him completely and even made fun of him
Ruth

Renee: But then why are they twisting the knife? Posturing? Deep down I really do believe they can win this thing without Hillocrats. The numbers must be there...they've been right before.

Ruth,

On a bar at the top of your page do you see two little arrows one up one down? You do know that those arrows will refresh the page? If you wait for a while after posting and then refresh, you should see everything submitted after you post.

Julie....perhaps I read your post wrong, but I am an ardent hillary supporter.

strawberry rhubard pie: 4 and twenty poets baked in a pie?

Julie
There are no strawberries in my pie.We don't like it that way and besides my strawberries are just getting blossoms now.And I would love to have you over for a piece.Of course it doesn't last long even tho i bake it on a cookie sheet.
Ruth

With Hillary's luck these days Joe would jump on Obama's bandwagon.

Hillary said you don't leave the court with time still left in the game and you need a 3 pt shot, well she needs a player to take the shot and players to get him/her the ball. So how does she do it? She needs something that will move the supers her way. I think she will get FL/MI to count. A big game changer and I don't see that happening. I'm about ready to throw in the towel and as James says write out the check even though I don't think he's the best canidate but you got to think of the supremecourt.

Meg...I was just teasing. Like I told Corey, I'm sure the problems were very real and frustrating in real time. But reading through it all at once, the whole thing looked like a wacky farce -- almost like a spoof of our Crawfordslist food fights. Heather with a porno blog? Evil Obama supporters hacking into our computers and stealing our identities? What's next?

Anyway, I apologize for making light of the issue. My joking certainly wasn't directed at you or anyone personally and specifically.

Pogo

That ballot access is why I put in the bit about Bloomberg. Even a well established party such as the Greens only has access in 31 states. The two major parties have a strangle hold on the system and only a WHOLE LOT OF MONEY could make 50 state access possible. Otherwise, you have to build a party over years one state at a time.

LL 9:53 post
Still laughing
Ruth

I think that the Howard Deans and Donna Brazilles did think the Clinton supporters would eventually come around and support Obama.... I think they've been caught by surprise and are in for a very rude awakening.....
Posted by: RebelliousRenee

Yes, they are in for a rude awakening, but you think they still have not figured it out? To listen to Donna Brazille now, she really thinks they don't need the working class as part of their coalition in order to win. And i know that's coming directly from the Obama campaign.

Sturg:

Sorry, I thought you were BO supporter. my mistake.
you know crs - senior..
Julie

god, Patsi, don't start a pie war. If you think things have been ugly here over politics, I fear you'd see a new standard for polarization - but it would be more like 10 camps than 2. (btw, nothing beats a pecan pie, with blackberri a close second). LOL

I heard Donna was more conciliatory on Tuesday. I think she got some big time scolding after her little performance after Indiana/North Carolina. But I believe Donna showed her true colors on the earlier night, not Tuesday. CNN allowing her to be a supposedly impartial commentator this primary season is a travesty (add Roland Martin to that opinion too.) Dean and Brazile have gotten the nominee they wanted...they may be smart enough to get him elected (and speaking of people who will do anything to get someone elected, Donna Brazile certainly fits in that mold. She has a lot of nerve talking about morals and ethics.)

I can't believe this got any press: Have we gone nuts. Who cares.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/14/obama-apologizes-for-calling-michigan-tv-reporter-sweetie/

jamie, I knew you knew that - note that I didn't include you in the address for my post. And Bloomie would be a good place to go for the funds needed to expand to 50 states, that being an expensive proposition. I think a lot of folks don't have a sense of how difficult it is to get on the ballot in more than a few small states, much less nationwide.

Jamie
I have Aol so it is not like everyone else's.I have refresh arrow but it will not refresh this page and my arrows are forward and back and they do not light up unless I have more than one page up.But if none of you mind,the one letter works ok.
Ruth

Pogo

Hee hee, a pie war... you had me with the first word of pecan - but make that with a little chocolate & bourbon like Dixie Pie...

Julie

John Edwards and NARAL have been added to the Crawfordslist-Klintoite "hate list."

Pogo,

You will need to keep reminding me of the danger
of the federal judiciary being further impacted if a dem
is not the president, and as you are aware, I know
the potential for an even more "conservative" judiciary,
but I continue to be deeply annoyed by the dem. party's
actions---& honestly do not know if I can support its
"presumptive" nominee.

As to Obama's claiming victory after the Oregon primary--that is an excellent example of the contempt he & his camp exhibit routinely.

His media contingent have also blurred the distinction
between amassing a majority of the pledged delegates
as a result of the primaries & actually achieving the
total number of all delegates (whatever that number
will ultimately be depending on FL & MI) needed to
win the nomination. They have alluded to the fact
that after Oregon his lead is insurmountable, therefore
its over.

....or sweet potato pie topped with home made whipped cream

Bush is in Israel comparing Obama to Neville Chamberland. Of course, the morons he's appealing to don't know who Neville Chamberland was.

(Clintonites: you can look him up on wikipedia.)

I love peanut butter pie
Ruth

OK friends. The tone is about to change so I am out of here! Have a great day!

vad, sure, why not? He dodged the question - belittling the reporter with a dismissive address is a good way to distract attention from that fact. Note that he didn't answer her question in the e-mail either. Good reason - no answer.

Ally....
I think I've watched maybe an hours worth of CNN in the past 2 weeks..... and amazingly..... I heard Roland Martin say yesterday that the Democratic party needs to be united....

pie wars?!..... let me add to it..... my grandmother in New Brunswick Canada (long gone now).... used to bake an all strawberry pie just for me when I was a kid and we visited family there every summer for 2 weeks..... so I say.....
no rhubarb!..... just strawberries!.....

NY Times
Bush’s Remarks in Israel Rile Obama

He {Bush} specifically cited Iran:

"Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along."

"We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: “Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.” We have an obligation to call this what it is – the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history."

I can't imagine a weaker individual than Obama to deal with Iran's A'Jax and to stem the very real and dire threats of nuclear proliferation in the region and to Israel,
Perhaps Obama the "inevitable debutante" girdled in whalebone in lieu of a spine will meet with A'Jax the diminutive despot and wistfully employ his vast experience in foreign policy. Our troubles will melt like lemon drops. Happy days, we have another Chamberlain to make merry and rejoice in.

toast

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/15/bushs-remarks-in-israel-rile-obama-camp/index.html?hp

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107272/Obama-McCain-Highly-Competitive-Independent-Vote.aspx

This Gallup is interesting about the "Independent Vote"

On the Pie War after my grandmother's beautiful tart Applie pie, then my "Pirate Pie"

Rum Custard
Bananas and Coconut
Whipped Cream

You waddle, but you waddle happy.

Bush probably doesn't know that his own grandfather (Prescott Bush) was partial owner of a German bank that was an early source of funding of the Nazi party.

"I'm a feminist, not a racist." (This is called rationalization.)

Dean and Brazile have gotten the nominee they wanted...they may be smart enough to get him elected (and speaking of people who will do anything to get someone elected, Donna Brazile certainly fits in that mold. She has a lot of nerve talking about morals and ethics.) Ally

And they actually think they're the "good guys". I still don't understand why the major cable stations allowed this misrepresentation of justice to go on for so long. Msnbc and to a slightly lesser extent Cnn. But CNN I thought I could trust. Then they give that big mouth, Jack Cafferty, a platform to destroy Hillary. But he makes it real fair by reading emails from real people. I can't understand why all those emails just happen to agree with Cafferty ALL the time.

Does anyone but me hate banks of flags behind politicians speaking?

Bunting in front of them - okay
Flags behind - phony jingoism

Renee: The calls by some for Unity are too little too late. I'm sorry but its true. The vitriolic and vacuous commentary has made it much more difficult for the party to unite in any real way. And I don't think they expect it to or feel that it is necessary, no matter what they say. The Obama campaign is based on a new coalition, not a broader coalition, as claimed. Just my opinion.

OK--Pie war In either order:

1. A real strawberry pie (no rhubarb) just real strawberries, which is very difficult to find. (I'm not a
baker).

2. Key lime pie w/whipped cream--there was a place
in Islamorada that had the best key lime, but they
sadly closed.

Meg
DB and Dean are not the only ones saying the Clinton supporters will come around.The talking heads make me very angry when they spout off saying "the Hillary voters will vote for Obama ".They think they know it all.That is another reason I will not vote for Bo.All those know-it-alls who are telling me how I will come around to their way of thinking
Think Again!
Ruth

Ruth, that's very high on my list - you like the light, whipped ones or the dense ones? I've had one that was the dense PB filling over semi sweet chocolate with whipped cream in a crust to kill for and thought I'd died and gone to heaven.

Now I have to go - may chat tomorrow, if not, Monday.

Nash...just a tip. You should at least learn how to spell a major historical figure's name correctly before you predict that "morons" won't know who he is. LOL.

OK, gotta respond - Key Lime Pie? Absofuckinglutely love it - easiest pie in the world, which makes it even better. Too bad the place closed - any excuse to go to Islamorada is a good one.

Now I do gotta go.

I know a lot of clinton people say today they will not vote for BHO but we can't forget about who McCain would put on the supremcourt. Just keep that in mind. I know it's hard to vote for someone you don't agree with but we can't forget about who he will put on that court and it could be two of them.

Coreen,

One of my favorite non political blogs by a lady who is a professional story teller just had one about key lime pie

http://thiseclecticlife.com/2008/05/13/bacon-lust/

That is another reason I will not vote for Bo.All those know-it-alls who are telling me how I will come around to their way of thinking painter

Ruth, That's what infuriates me most. They keep telling us every day what we think and what we will do. It's like i get up in the morning and don't know "what I think" until I turn on MSNBC ant they tell me. The American people think this. The American people will do so and so. Apparently their polls don't catch it all. And when they do, they say: well, they'll come home after this primary is over. They don't seem to conceive how deep these wounds have become.

Ally
Stick around.Don't read the nasty posts
Ruth

Interesting and RIGHT ON opinion piece from a contributor to the Washington Post.

Misogyny I Won't Miss

By Marie Cocco
Thursday, May 15, 2008; Page A15
As the Democratic nomination contest slouches toward a close, it's time to take stock of what I will not miss.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/14/AR2008051403090.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Nash...just a tip. You should at least learn how to spell a major historical figure's name correctly before you predict that "morons" won't know who he is. LOL.

these two sites are interesting:

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/FL-D.phtml

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/MI-D.phtml

Obama kind of reminds me of the clown in that Seinfeld episode, The Fire. George's girlfriend hires a clown for her son's birthday party, Eric (Jon Favreau). George can't get over the fact that Eric the Clown hasn't heard of Bozo the Clown. Eventually Favreau screams at George:

"You're livin' in the past, man! You're hung up on some clown from the sixties, man!"

Obama always reminds me of that scene. Out with the old, in with the new. (Of course Eric puts out the fire with his big shoe.)

Will Al Gore be the next to endorse Obama?

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aq0bLb6vK6h8&refer=home

"I know it's hard to vote for someone you don't agree with"
vadaryl

This has gone way past someone we don't agree with. They made this personal. And they've done it by choice. It's who they are that I don't agree with.

"But republican surrogates, with Drudge in the lead, are starting to circulate the allegations of Larry Sinclair and others claiming... These charges made FOX tonight and are being reported in the Globe. Folks standing in grocery lines perusing the tabloids are going to get an eyeful of this stuff."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/14/so-much-for-the-reality-based-community/#more-2517

Ally
Stick around.Don't read the nasty posts
Ruth

Jamie, that pirate pie would be a perfect throw-in-face for Tweety when he responds to the WaPo op piece today as you know he will.

LaLI

It is the sort of thing that makes me think Nash is a pimply 17 year old in his mother's basement. : )

patd

I wouldn't want to supply anything that would make Tweety "down deep I hate women" Matthews happy.

Ruth -- I spent years trying to make the perfect rhubarb pie -- not runny! What's your secret? (I've finally got it down pretty good.....but am always open to new ideas!)

meg

I keep trying to remind myself about the Supreme Court, but as it stands right now there are exactly two things that will make me vote for BO now: Clinton on the ticket or a guaranteed appointment to any cabinet or court (supremes?) that she wants, and I want the statement or that appointment with as much groveling can't back out of it adoration as he can fake.

Crawfordslist used to be a nice place to go to discuss liberal politics. Now it has become a silly "hate Obama" cult site.

Bill and Hillary really do understand the dark side of the American political psyche. Crawfordslist is now swarming with their evil stooges.

But this, too, shall pass. After 6/3 you will crawl back under your rocks, or become Republicans. Either works for me.

jamie, true. your pie is too good for him even as a projectile. maybe an old fashioned mudpie?

John Edwards endorsement didn't even make the front page of the Lexington paper this morning. As my mom would say, "it ain't gonna amount to a hill of beans". You know, even I'm not exactly sure what that means, but it isn't good. Good luck navigating our culture, as that idiot on MSNBC was saying last night.

Lardass, stay off those porn sites, before you give everyone a case of std's. We'll have to get a shot of pc-cillin for our computers. (There is actually an antivirus program named that, I'm not making it up). Are you sure you're a Liberal? It sounds more like the Republicans, you know, the party of morals.

I've checked my records this morning, & my computer crashed on April 29th. My last post was at 5:27, & it reposted on 5:28. Then it locked up & I had to turn it off manually. I was logged into typekey at the time, in fact, it was the very first day I had used it. I don't think I had visited any of the links posted either. I doubt that any of this will be helpful, but there it is.

Interesting green paper delegate count posted by vadaryl 10:39.
If Hillary would be allowed the 113 Fl and the 80 MI, delegates, she would be much closer to BHO. a hair split.. But you know in your heart ,dean,pelosi and kennedy are never going to give it to her. Not in BO best interest..
I hope both states absolutely bust him to a mere trickle of voters in the general. It truly serves him right. He was the one that vetoed the first Mi & Fla solutions. He can say he supports them, but behind the scenes, he stops them from being counted..
Julie

LaLi

Glad you pointed out that the professor should at
least know how to spell the person's name correctly before he accused us "village idiots" of not knowing history, but I thought we were simply ignoring the negative vibes starting to permeate the list.

Come on, Pogo -- let's start a pie war! My kids hate rhubarb pie. Daughter swears by cherry pie and son favors pumpkin. (He also once made some fantastic homemade pumpkin ice cream!)

The meanest board I EVER saw was a rose growers board! Well, except for that time I spent about 15 minutes reading an Elian Gonzalez board....)

wouldn't want to supply anything that would make Tweety "down deep I hate women" Matthews happy.
Posted by: Jamie

Jamie, I'm still not sure that it's so much he hates women as that he loves Obama. And he seems really consumed by the need to overcome anything he see's as racist. And I say see's, because i think he see's it even when it's not there.

"maybe an old fashioned mudpie?"

Can we put rocks in the filling?

Take a look at this link - about John Edwards.

http://savagepolitics.com/

Gore will probably wait until 6/4 (the day after the last primary) to endorse Obama. Almost all of the remaining uncommitted super-delegates will do the same.

Hillary will quit the race on Friday, 6/6.

Then those of you who still want to be Democrats, can work to help Obama defeat McCain.

Nash said: (Clintonites: you can look him up on wikipedia.)

I have a masters degree in history. Research specialty: The Evian Conference. Look THAT up, moron.

Hillary as VP?

http://www.uclick.com/client/nyt/po/

Jamie, I was thinking chunky mud pie myself. Great minds.............

Trying to figure out how Obama can declare he's got the nomination won Tuesday night.

Using the following:

Based on CNN stats:

Currently Obama has a 1,884 to 1,718 delegate lead

KY Hillary wins 53% to 47%
27 to 24 in delegates

Oregon Obama wins 53% to 47%
27 to 25 in delegates

He will need 90 Super delegates to declare by Tuesday night to get to the magic number without counting FL/MI which raises the bar. If he only needs that many why don't they declare today and get this overwith. What's holding them back? Do you really think that many will declare in the next few days? it will not look that good if he declares without getting those 90 votes.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/29/delegate.counter/

jamie & patsi:

I'm here to discuss politics, not trade personal insults.

And if you're going to insult someone, at least try to be witty.

meg

It is more than just being stuck in some 60s civil rights march in the reflected glory of having been employed by Tip O'Neill. (a reference he only gave up after people pointing out that the job reference was 20 + years out of date). Now he is making "I'll retire and run for office". He won't do it because down deep he knows he will lose.

This is a man who knows he is a "successful failure". He has money and position but little to no respect anywhere outside of his little clique.

He may not hate women, but he does hate and resent Bill Clinton because of what he sees as the "undeserved love". That has spilled over onto Mrs. Clinton.

Gordo

Although, you did not reply that your Obama "bombshell" was the Rev. Manning net radiio Rense interview, when I asked last night---

FYI, on IMUS this am on abc radio, he played a portion
of the radio interview of a Rev. Manning,
(who's ministry is in Harlem, NY) after playing the clip, he said
wonder if they can sue.

how much does a pie hitman cost nowadays? what a great therapeutic exercise!
he could simultaneously splatter KO, sort of a two for one deal.

"I'm here to discuss politics, not trade personal insults."

ROFL! Nash stop it! Yer killin' me!

my computer crashed on April 29th. My last post was at 5:27, & it reposted on 5:28. Then it locked up & I had to turn it off manually. I was logged into typekey at the time, in fact, it was the very first day I had used it. I don't think I had visited any of the links posted either. I doubt that any of this will be helpful, but there it is
Posted by: jeejee Author Profile Page | May 15, 2008 10:51 AM.

CRAIG, here's another one. There is a problem that needs to be acknowledged.

Thanks, meg

When you see it all in one place, the tendency to growl becomes almost overwhelming

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM

I wonder how many women OD can push into the Hillary column. Sen. Obama is certainly giving him a lot of help.

Revolution! That's what our nation needs. Isn't it evident that our system is corrupt and run by decadent Washington insiders? The people try to exercise their voting voice but it's silenced. Look to Michigan, Florida, and now the debacle in answer to West Virginia and Pennsylvania. Sure, Obama & camp can claim he didn't campaign in West Virginia, thus the huge landslide. But the reality is, it would have been an even greater loss to Obama if he had campaigned there, spent 3-1 and lost. That would have spoken to the nation in much louder terms than his quiet exit to Oregon. And why remove your name from the ballot in Michigan? Same reason. You can't lose if you aren't a choice. Very slick politics. Florida? The DNC rules state a delegate loss for any form of campaigning, including emails. Obama appeared in Florida and ran campaign ads. So where's the truth? Not in the media. Obama lost his momentum by March when people started to get a feel for who he is. The only gain has been in southern states. So...John Edwards actually endorsed from a state that chose Obama. Why won't the other super delegates follow the same course? New Mexico, Massachusetts (or as Obama pronounces it, Massatoosets)? Where's the truth? We need to revolt...let's start with the media. How bad is it when we must turn to Pat Buchanan for the truth?

You've had the cocktail party. For hours, people sipped drinks, ate canapes, and enjoyed each others company. Now it's late, and slowly the guests are leaving for home. A few linger and continue the conversation. You're still laughing, but tired. You want to end the night. As you look at your watch and give a huge yawn, you hope that the last guest gets the hint that the party's over. Billary is that last guest. The party's over. It's time for her to get her keys and drive home.

He may not hate women, but he does hate and resent Bill Clinton because of what he sees as the "undeserved love". That has spilled over onto Mrs. Clinton. Jamie

Yes. I think you are right.
I do see he hates Clinton, but I didn't know why. I haven't followed him that long.

But Chris does seem to be a mass of contradictions. I'm never sure who I going to tune into. Sometimes he makes sense, and is fun to go along with and other times he is unreasonable and infuriates me.

He actually looked like he was going to cry when Obama was slaughtered in WV.

At times he speaks like he really respects Hillary, but it never lasts. Maybe I've misread the civil rights thing. But I know he's commented that he grew up and attended schools that had no AA's and he missed something there. And he thinks that racism is evil and he's right. But to read it into places where it's not there is just as wrong. And to underestimate what they call the "uneducated" as racist and ignorant is just as wrong. And that's where the "elitism" comes in. It's a state of mind, not how much money or education you have.

I don't know what Imus played this morning but if it contains some of what I just heard we got another lose cannon out there. Does anybody have a link to the Rev. Manning net radiio Rense interview.

Revolution! That's what our nation needs. Isn't it evident that our system is corrupt and run by decadent Washington insiders? The people try to exercise their voting voice but it's silenced. Look to Michigan, Florida, and now the debacle in answer to West Virginia and Pennsylvania. Sure, Obama & camp can claim he didn't campaign in West Virginia, thus the huge landslide. But the reality is, it would have been an even greater loss to Obama if he had campaigned there, spent 3-1 and lost. That would have spoken to the nation in much louder terms than his quiet exit to Oregon. And why remove your name from the ballot in Michigan? Same reason. You can't lose if you aren't a choice. Very slick politics. Florida? The DNC rules state a delegate loss for any form of campaigning, including emails. Obama appeared in Florida and ran campaign ads. So where's the truth? Not in the media. Obama lost his momentum by March when people started to get a feel for who he is. The only gain has been in southern states. So...John Edwards actually endorsed from a state that chose Obama. Why won't the other super delegates follow the same course? New Mexico, Massachusetts (or as Obama pronounces it, Massatoosets)? Where's the truth? We need to revolt...let's start with the media. How bad is it when we must turn to Pat Buchanan for the truth?

Revolution! That's what our nation needs. Isn't it evident that our system is corrupt and run by decadent Washington insiders? The people try to exercise their voting voice but it's silenced. Look to Michigan, Florida, and now the debacle in answer to West Virginia and Pennsylvania. Sure, Obama & camp can claim he didn't campaign in West Virginia, thus the huge landslide. But the reality is, it would have been an even greater loss to Obama if he had campaigned there, spent 3-1 and lost. That would have spoken to the nation in much louder terms than his quiet exit to Oregon. And why remove your name from the ballot in Michigan? Same reason. You can't lose if you aren't a choice. Very slick politics. Florida? The DNC rules state a delegate loss for any form of campaigning, including emails. Obama appeared in Florida and ran campaign ads. So where's the truth? Not in the media. Obama lost his momentum by March when people started to get a feel for who he is. The only gain has been in southern states. So...John Edwards actually endorsed from a state that chose Obama. Why won't the other super delegates follow the same course? New Mexico, Massachusetts (or as Obama pronounces it, Massatoosets)? Where's the truth? We need to revolt...let's start with the media. How bad is it when we must turn to Pat Buchanan for the truth?

Revolution! That's what our nation needs. Isn't it evident that our system is corrupt and run by decadent Washington insiders? The people try to exercise their voting voice but it's silenced. Look to Michigan, Florida, and now the debacle in answer to West Virginia and Pennsylvania. Sure, Obama & camp can claim he didn't campaign in West Virginia, thus the huge landslide. But the reality is, it would have been an even greater loss to Obama if he had campaigned there, spent 3-1 and lost. That would have spoken to the nation in much louder terms than his quiet exit to Oregon. And why remove your name from the ballot in Michigan? Same reason. You can't lose if you aren't a choice. Very slick politics. Florida? The DNC rules state a delegate loss for any form of campaigning, including emails. Obama appeared in Florida and ran campaign ads. So where's the truth? Not in the media. Obama lost his momentum by March when people started to get a feel for who he is. The only gain has been in southern states. So...John Edwards actually endorsed from a state that chose Obama. Why won't the other super delegates follow the same course? New Mexico, Massachusetts (or as Obama pronounces it, Massatoosets)? Where's the truth? We need to revolt...let's start with the media. How bad is it when we must turn to Pat Buchanan for the truth?

Revolution! That's what our nation needs. Isn't it evident that our system is corrupt and run by decadent Washington insiders? The people try to exercise their voting voice but it's silenced. Look to Michigan, Florida, and now the debacle in answer to West Virginia and Pennsylvania. Sure, Obama & camp can claim he didn't campaign in West Virginia, thus the huge landslide. But the reality is, it would have been an even greater loss to Obama if he had campaigned there, spent 3-1 and lost. That would have spoken to the nation in much louder terms than his quiet exit to Oregon. And why remove your name from the ballot in Michigan? Same reason. You can't lose if you aren't a choice. Very slick politics. Florida? The DNC rules state a delegate loss for any form of campaigning, including emails. Obama appeared in Florida and ran campaign ads. So where's the truth? Not in the media. Obama lost his momentum by March when people started to get a feel for who he is. The only gain has been in southern states. So...John Edwards actually endorsed from a state that chose Obama. Why won't the other super delegates follow the same course? New Mexico, Massachusetts (or as Obama pronounces it, Massatoosets)? Where's the truth? We need to revolt...let's start with the media. How bad is it when we must turn to Pat Buchanan for the truth?

Why This Woman Will Not Vote for Barack Obama

http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/?p=913

Patsi
I make a large one, so I fill a large bowl with cut up rhubarb,3 1/2 cups sugar,2beaten eggs and 3/4 cup flour and let sit while making crust.Then remix before putting in crust.The more flour you use the drier it will be
Ruth

He will need 90 Super delegates to declare by Tuesday night to get to the magic number without counting FL/MI which raises the bar. If he only needs that many why don't they declare today and get this overwith. What's holding them back?
Posted by: vadaryl Author Profile Page | May 15, 2008 11:03

vadaryl, I still think they're trying to make this "appear" fair as Howard Dean said (APPEAR fair, I heard him say that). So if they bring out all 90 supers at once, we'll feel Hillary was being bullied out of the nomination. So they do it slowly, gradually, and we are all supposed to fall right into line. Your delegates available and needed numbers were helpful in seeing the full picture on what to expect. But nothing means much until the end of the month when the credentials committee meets.

He will need 90 Super delegates to declare by Tuesday night to get to the magic number without counting FL/MI which raises the bar. If he only needs that many why don't they declare today and get this overwith. What's holding them back?
Posted by: vadaryl Author Profile Page | May 15, 2008 11:03

vadaryl, I still think they're trying to make this "appear" fair as Howard Dean said (APPEAR fair, I heard him say that). So if they bring out all 90 supers at once, we'll feel Hillary was being bullied out of the nomination. So they do it slowly, gradually, and we are all supposed to fall right into line. Your delegates available and needed numbers were helpful in seeing the full picture on what to expect. But nothing means much until the end of the month when the credentials committee meets.

The Powers that Be at CQ Politics could stop promising to fix the server problem and finally get at it!

He will need 90 Super delegates to declare by Tuesday night to get to the magic number without counting FL/MI which raises the bar. If he only needs that many why don't they declare today and get this overwith. What's holding them back?
Posted by: vadaryl Author Profile Page | May 15, 2008 11:03

vadaryl, I still think they're trying to make this "appear" fair as Howard Dean said (APPEAR fair, I heard him say that). So if they bring out all 90 supers at once, we'll feel Hillary was being bullied out of the nomination. So they do it slowly, gradually, and we are all supposed to fall right into line. Your delegates available and needed numbers were helpful in seeing the full picture on what to expect. But nothing means much until the end of the month when the credentials committee meets.

The John Edwards 08 pages are all there except for the Blog which has been removed. Wonder why?

Here is an article on BHO written by Cinque Henderson. Henderson is from the 10% of Afro-Americans who are not buying into the BHO hype.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=331c77bb-9591-422c-aa2b-11a741c6ebb9&p=2

Crawfordslist used to be a nice place to go to discuss liberal politics. Now it has become a silly "hate Obama" cult site.

Bill and Hillary really do understand the dark side of the American political psyche. Crawfordslist is now swarming with their evil stooges.

But this, too, shall pass. After 6/3 you will crawl back under your rocks, or become Republicans. Either works for me.

Posted by: nash | May 15, 2008 10:50 AM

Nash thank you. You have finally made me realize that encouraging people to take the "high road" during these political discussions is a total waste of time. I have tried time and again to ask that the Obama supporters stop attacking Hillary Clinton supporters and for Hillary Clinton supporters to try to see the necessity in unity come November. I think it's a waste of time. I can no longer speak out to fellow Clinton supporters asking that they support Obama. The price is too high.

As for the Hillary Clinton WRITE-IN campaign, sign me up folks.

Jamie, thanks for the great link on youTube, and you are right, it really does start to hit you when you see it all together.

HILLARY CLINTON WRITE IN CAMPAIGN 2008

Here is an article on BHO written by Cinque Henderson. Henderson is from the 10% of Afro-Americans who are not buying into the BHO hype.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=331c77bb-9591-422c-aa2b-11a741c6ebb9&p=2

Crawfordslist used to be a nice place to go to discuss liberal politics. Now it has become a silly "hate Obama" cult site.

Bill and Hillary really do understand the dark side of the American political psyche. Crawfordslist is now swarming with their evil stooges.

But this, too, shall pass. After 6/3 you will crawl back under your rocks, or become Republicans. Either works for me.

Posted by: nash | May 15, 2008 10:50 AM

Nash thank you. You have finally made me realize that encouraging people to take the "high road" during these political discussions is a total waste of time. I have tried time and again to ask that the Obama supporters stop attacking Hillary Clinton supporters and for Hillary Clinton supporters to try to see the necessity in unity come November. I think it's a waste of time. I can no longer speak out to fellow Clinton supporters asking that they support Obama. The price is too high.

As for the Hillary Clinton WRITE-IN campaign, sign me up folks.

Jamie, thanks for the great link on youTube, and you are right, it really does start to hit you when you see it all together.

HILLARY CLINTON WRITE IN CAMPAIGN 2008

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Time for people power. Time for the people to make the decision of who will be our next president, not the media, not the party elites, not the pundits.

The people need to rise up and take our country back from all of the above. Maybe Hillary should say that.

We're not going to take it, no we're not going to take it.....
Hillary 08

PS Prof Marcia, I am middle aged, white, educated, Hillary supporter and it's Hillary or no one.

You should read the NARAL comment pages under the endorsement article ... about 3,000 totally PO'd women, and those are only the ones not deleted for swearing. : ). Seems they object to an endorsement for the man who voted "present" on all the state choice issues and traipsed around all over MS with an anti choice candidate. The consistent message is, Who paid you off, how much did you get to give up your principles... the state orgs are rioting including the all important OREGON branch. I wonder if they will give their contact list to the Clinton campaign?

testing

Jamie, thanks for the YouTube link. While it was playing, I envisioned many mud pies (rocky road flavor) flying in from all directions at those jerks.
Maybe someone can interest Imus in playing it tomorrow.

Obama may not have campaigned in WV. but he outspent Hillary 2 to 1 .
Ruth

they tried that power to the people thing awhile back......I think it kinda trickled down to a high-pitched whine somewhere along the way.............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wos-dDxpJlQ

Obama may not have campaigned in WV. but he outspent Hillary 2 to 1 .
Ruth

Jamie
I think a good old fashioned cow pie would do the trick

Coreen ----------------------

Did not see your post. What I'm referring to is connected to that in some ways, but there is more.

A legal response would not be good for Obama - too many doors can be opened by way of "discovery".

love that country pie......

--paul mccartney

Obama may not have campaigned in WV. but he outspent Hillary 2 to 1 .
Ruth

Jamie
I think a good old fashioned cow pie would do the trick

OUTAGE ALERT: IT is on the case, please be patient.

love that country pie

---bob dylan

http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/countrypie.html

this site is having problems,I see.

Cousin IT?

Ok Craig,
At least I got some laundry done while I was unable to access site.Anf some outside chores too.Have been getting most of my info here since I stopped watching MSNBC and CNN.Also checked out some other sites while down.i do watch Fox some now but they have so much silly stuff I have to turn it off.
Ruth

I love Joe Biden. Watching Tweety today because of all the news and he tried that crud of misquoting Sen. Clintons "obliterate" statement and Joe handed Tweety his head. Very simply, Chris if a country uses "nuclear" weapons against their neighbor they have to understand that this will result in "mutually assured destruction" and they will be "obliterated".

Poor Tweety was left with nothing but, "nice to have you on" ... chortle chortle glee glee.

Whatever happens at least Biden has guts to stand up to these spouting heads.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1p4DGomLiU

honey pie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0F98Dlbifo

and wild honey pie

Matthews is actually having a great show today. The Republican kid named Kevin who didn't have a clue about history and was trying to glib his way through talking points was hilarious.

I know we are supposed to be patient, but I think CQ needs to hire some qualified IT people and/or get a better server... This thing is messing up more and more. If you have to fight to make a post to have a fight, what's the point?

Cranky EUROTOM... thanking again Bye Bye and Nash for convincing me to vote Hillary in November come hell or high water.

Craig,

With regards to your outage post, is IT trying to fix the problem or erase all of the tracks to their webporn side business? lol

Patsi, I found a restaurant in West Fort Worth that makes a chocolate cream pie that is simply worth killing for. I swear they melted a couple of pounds of chocolate for it...

To me, the fact that Democrats from either camp, would refuse to support the other should they be the nominee, is a classic illustration of why the party can't win a meaningful election. Hillary didn't have to spend $6 Million for Mark Penn. I could have screwed her over just the same for a lot less money and she may have gotten an orgasm out of the deal too... If she was clearly to complacent and to incompetent to win the nomination when it was being handed to her, why does everyone think she would be a good president?

I just realized that the reason I never hated Ken Mehlman when he was RNC chair is because Terry McCauliff was his counterpart. He is so feable that were he Hugh Heffner for a day, he would spend it hanging out with the pool boy instead of the girls.

You can have all of the best ideas in the world but if you can't sell people on them, what good are they?

Mr. Fish

http://www.legaljuice.com/cousin%20it%20addams%20family%20hair.jpg

Yikes! I hope it wasn't the cookies I dragged in here from that unregistered Laotian porno site that caused the crash!

Bear I agree with you on Mark Penn, but it's like someone said about the Obama machine... it was certainly well-oiled and slick and well-executed, but if we are going to vote for a President who had the best campaign, maybe the person people should vote for David Axelrod, since he is the mastermind behind this whole thing.

" I found a restaurant in West Fort Worth that makes a chocolate cream pie that is simply worth killing for. I swear they melted a couple of pounds of chocolate for it.."

Bear! Damn -- makes me think a road trip might be in order!

I just realized that Hillary Clinton is the only person with any connection the Bill Clinton administration that has won an election since he left office...

And now for something completely different...

http://dallas.craigslist.org/zip/681769823.html

no one elected in 2006 had any connection to bill and hillary?

i mean the clinton administration.....

"You can have all of the best ideas in the world but if you can't sell people on them, what good are they?"

Bear, it doesn't help if the leaders of your party are actively undermining your activities, campaign against you, and funneling money to anyone willing to attack you or endorse the other guy abetted by a media that twists every statement, mistates and insults your backers, and hands over the airwaves as a non stop campaign for the opposition.

The Kennedy/Pelosi/Dean cabal have a lot to answer for in their violation of the whole democratic process. They deserve to be damned for their violation of rights and freedoms almost as much as Bush and Cheney.

h

Patsi,

I forgot to mention the apple pie. Awesome flaky crust...as a matter of fact, the chocolate pie had the same crust... Actually the restaurant had great food, fast and almost overly friendly service...great prices and they bake their deserts every morning.

I think I just figured out what I'm doing for dinner...

Gallup Daily - Third day in a row no change

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107296/Gallup-Daily-Obama-50-Clinton-44.aspx

I would love Hillary to get in (besides being best person for job) but just to watch Kerry ,Kennedy,Pelosi,etc.,etc., grovel at her feet.
Ruth

Several poimts that do not bode well for Obama

1. The Washington Post declared that should Obama be found to have actually met or talked to Auchi he would be in a lot of hot water. It would be the Rezko straw that broke Obama's back, as other more Liberal media outlets have warned. This is one gun for the GOP they will be using. The facts are beginning to surface that Obama did indeed meet with Auchi and one other hot potato who actually escape prison in Iraq after caught doing illegal activities.

2. The "Sweetie" remark has been following Obama for some time. There have been several sexist things that have characterized Obama's campaign. Maybe he thought his new flag pin offset such comments. Edwards to champion of the bitter white crowd....LOL

2. The Taliban has reacted to a US strike on militant camp in Pakistan. a. We have struck several times in the past but the Musharraf government covered for us so not produce public backlash. b. Now the
"moderate" government opposed to Musharraf is denouncing the strike and calls it outrageous. c. So much for Obama's telegraphing his "bold" strategy. He is now without a plan unless he suggests talking to the Taliban (we have and it produced renewed confidence they have us on the run), or bombing Pakistan even more. Maybe Warren suggests we should send in our SOF.

3. Chavez warns Columbia not to allow a US base on Columbian territory. He calls such an action a declaration of war. Obama has suggested he would cut military support to Columbia so as top cops are murdered by criminals in Mexico and FARC operates with evidence of Hugo's and ahmadinejad's support, Obama's strategy seems to be pulling the rug out from under Mexico and Columbia as Russia and Iran build arms factories, set up sub bases and promote radical groups in Latin America (Caracas). Any objection Obama?

4. Obama has now changed his trademark form HopeChange, to FaithHopeChange. Yeah, right and trademark this? Maybe he can then sue someone for uttering the same phrase...LOL Do Obama supporters really think this phoney packaging will work? Oh, yeah, they do think the bitter white people are stupid enough to believe the images. I can't wait for someone to ask Obama if he too believes Jesus was a Black Palestinian.....

5. Obama is all upset about Bush's remarks in Israel. First, listen to the applause by Israelis. They obviously agree. Clinton was critical about the idea we "talk" directly to Ahmadinejad. We and the West have offered nuclear power plant, economic incentives and normalization as well as security talks regarding Iraq. Obama is all about pretense, why do you think it took so long to boot Malley? Of course the US has channels, but Iran continues to support terrorism, destabilize Lebanon, enrich uranium and conduct less than humane social policies regarding minorities and women. To suggest "talks" as a likely answer to anything after five years of talking sure sounds like appeasement. Not one Democrat today offered any alternative to "talking" and could not refute the likely futility of direct one on one between the US President and Ahmadinejad. So what credibility does Obama have that his idea alone does not mean appeasement? He reuses to explain how he would direct a harder line as Iran states it will not talk to the US no matter who wins our election. CNN stated today that Obama is a staunch supporter of Israel. What utter crap and CNN used only recent Obama speeches to support such a pandering claim. They did not take apart Obama's speech to AIPAC or his nuke Iran speech. Even Kerry jumperd on Bush today after declaring in 2004 he would not allow Iran to get the bomb. To suggest Bush was Swift-boating given the record and history of Obama's supporters, advisors and mentors is exactly how the NeolIberals are moving the goal posts of what swift-boating means. What a disengenuos group of Democratic leaders who have said and done zero as Hugo, Belarus, Putin, Iran, Hizb'Allah, Hamas, Sudan show more coherent strategy than what the Democrats offer.

6. As I said, Obama's pivot to center is a laugh. Nash, your refutations are factless. Warren's response are often factless as well. Again, do you, Warren, support the Pelosi plan to double SOF as Obama cuts defense? How on earth is Obama's plan bolstering the necessary Western hegemony you said quite confidently would be around for decades? What would that SOF doubling do to real conventional counter-insurgency forces? Democrats backed Boeing's tanker claims against NG, but now they are caught screwing with our helicopters. McPeak is a real Boeing loverboy. Let's see who get's booted from the Obama foreign policy team next. McPeak of Rice? No matter, Obama doesn't need anyone to tell him about foreign policy. He is a beacon of truth all to "himselves".

You got to give Rev Manning credit. Yes, Oprah rose in wealth as she supported Hillary and won over white women. Underneath, her ideological compass is like her face stripped of make up. Now how many will be happy when Moss swears in Obama? LOL

McCain offers a coherent vison of the next four years. It was rather centrist and took issue with several Republican views such as immigration, climate, diplomacy and even SCOTUS jusges (he voted for the Democrat's picks when Clinton was in office). Obama still promises "talking", defense cuts, withdrawal and social plans well Left of Hillary, despite Warren's delusions. Of course, should Obama track towards center, Sean Penn will go after him...LOL With friends like Penn, who needs enemies. I think some of our adversaries are hoping Obama wins and follows Penn's advise exactly.

Wow CNN has a continuous run on Bush appeasement statement and Obama saying it was directed at him.

LOL - propably because the shoe fits.

Julie

Sturgeone,

That was in reference to members of his administration, like Robert Reich, Harold Ickes, Erskine Bowles, etc.

Jamie,

Yes she had much of the party against her and I think it's because she and Mr. thought they were above the leadership to some extent. Think about it this way...

Dean did not like having his 50 state strategy openly questioned by Carville and other Clintonians after the 2006 election. It may have cost him some seats then but could lead to future gains.

Pelosi and Clinton would only naturally have a rivalry to be HWIC in Congress. Plus I don't doubt there is some old money/ nouveau riche conflicts there.

Kennedy, being the old don, just wants his cut...lol

As for the reference to violating the Democratic process, this is the most damning issue with her campaign...

Obama's team mapped out what they thought would happen in every state prior to Iowa. Clinton's team thought the race would be done in February. The fact that she didn't have a contrarian in her group to let her know she should force an early resolution to the Florida and Michigan issue is just further proof in my eyes that she didn't think she would need it. Similar "planning" that we found in our initial Iraq policy.

"I think I just figured out what I'm doing for dinner..."

You rat, Bear. I'd kill right now for a Texas-style chicken fried steak, mashed potatoes with cream gravy and home style green beans.Maybe some fried okra. Topped with that chocolate pie.

Max,
You don't hear much from Oprah since she lost some of her audience.
Ruth

Patsi,

I was thinking along the lines of one of the small Half-pound bacon cheese burgers or a cajun chicken sandwich. I've been told by a couple of builders that they will hook me up with the best chicken fried steak in the world since I have never tried it before and they were shocked...

Good call on the okra though...

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=168561&title=indecision-2008-west-virginia

"Obama is all upset about Bush's remarks in Israel. First, listen to the applause by Israelis. They obviously agree."

Max's facts. Yes Max - obvious indeed.

Julie,
I don't want my kids going to fight a war in Iran if McCain is elected. Do you?

Bear & Patsi, you're making me hungry. What I wouldn't give for some fried okra!

Yep, CNN has aired the Bush remarks all day. Why? Because that is a major Obama/Pelosi/Dean/ Kennedy/Edwards/ weakness. There is NOTHING the Democrats have offered besides "talking" as Iran is quite blunt hwere they are going. Their big arms shipper, Belarus kicked out the US Ambassador. And as Obama threatens to close Gitmo, a detainess goes back to Iraq and blows up Kurds.

Not a word about China drilling close than the US to our coast than the Democrats will allow our companies. They say nothing about the new huge Chinese sub base. They offer little comment over Putin and Belarus explusions. They don't pick up on Hugo, the top cop in Mexico being murdered and others quitting. Instead CNN focuses on trying to rescue Obama from is vaccuous Iranian policy and doesn't even dare mention Obama's nuke Iran position from four years ago. Cafferty talks about cutting the speed limit while Pelosi would like Americans to drive less. Of course, dropping the price is the very thing that prevents alternative polcies to be affordable.

CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS are falling in line with the Democrat's emerging talking points.

Biden is now coming on. Poor JOe, he has lost his mind as several Democrats pander a post in the Obama administration after Edwards made his move.

What a joke. Of course I must be a racist, bitter, uneducated, old secret Republican wingnut to express such views...LOL There should be a key on my keyboard for fliiping a bird.......

y'all reckon blogger comments ever helped anyone get elected? I dont recall anyone ever saying "By golly, you're right.....I'm switching to Hillary" (or vice-versa.)
oh well......Im voting democrat at the end of this terribly long day, all y'all done is make me hungry.

kay sarah sarah.

So the applause of some (por-Bush) people in the room speak for all Israelis. That is a bit of a leap.

Next - you are going to say that it is a "fact" that HRC is a stronger general election candidate based on polls for an election 6 months away...

Max,

you can google Rev Manning + net radio rense interview.
It comes up. Manning accusing Rev Wright & Obama of gay matters? Wow, what next?

Julie

Just "talking" Max. In case you have noticed - the only disputes that aren't resolved by just "talking" are the ones that go to war.

c-span has hearing on now about vats against the war
Ruth

"I've been told by a couple of builders that they will hook me up with the best chicken fried steak in the world since I have never tried it before and they were shocked..."

You gotta do it, Bear!

"kay sarah sarah."

Mr. Fish, Aren't you being just a bit greedy? You could let Corey have one or two of girls.

a young man has to make his own way in this world......

Sorry , Jamie. I just got up about 15 minutes ago. I don't have to work tonight. Memorial Day....in Canada. True! LOL!

That's okay , Sturge. I wouldn't share women either.

Here is that exchange between Matthews and the Republican mouthpiece named Kevin about the Bush "appeasement" remark. Chris did a good job of calling him on his ignorance.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24655385#24655385

"During Obama's campaign for the 2008 presidential election he portrayed his mother as a conservative girl from Kansas; however in reality she was a radical leftist and cutural Marxist.

In an interview, Barack Obama referred to his mother as "the dominant figure in my formative years... The values she taught me continue to be my touchstone when it comes to how I go about the world of politics."

http://gollygeeez.blogspot.com/2008/05/this-apple-didnt-fall-too-far-from-tree.html

Biden is so wrong, it is embarrassing.

First CNN airs the "preparation" remark of Obama to Biden. He ignored Onama's own words when asked what preparations are there? And when asked about the Stinking corpse remark by Ahmadinejad? He offers NK (a Bush victory and Gaddafi, a Bush victory) as a refutation of BUsh....LOL NK has agree to stop enriching uranium so we talk. Iran refuses. We did not deal directly to NK until they blinked in the face of international pressure. Biden over looks the questions and talks about Iraq. France, Germany and Britian regard Bush's remarks as insane. They do? Haas Biden read what these countries have been saying? They even dispute our IC report. Bush is not closer to the truth than Biden's claim that "talking" will lead to anywhere? What is embarrassing is Biden's false contexual framing of obvious reality. Europe is growing more worried that Iran will not do anything unless faced with tougher sanctions and possible force. They see Obama as taking away the stick in the face of increased venom from Tehran.

Gaddafi blinked. NK blinked. Did Biden or the Democrats have anything to do with this? Iran has never blinked. Biden talks about Obama serving on his Foreign Policy group and makes no mention that Obama didn't even hold a meeting for the group he chaired. Did CNN put Biden on the spot? God Damn CNN...LOL Biden is spinning for Obama to get clout in an Obama administration.

To compare Iran to Gaddafi or NK is absurd. Biden himself was rejected because even his views are too Republican lite. When Bill Clinton made a deal, NK broke it and only when several countries threatened sanctions did NK blink. The world imposed tough sanctions on Gaddafi and when he saw us invade Iraq, he blinked and revealed his WMD program and stopped. So Biden comparing Iran to these two are outrageous and show the weakness of the Democrats in this regard. The Democrats actually supported the false fact that Gaddafi was building irrigation tunnels and wasn't chasing WMD? How friggin credible is Biden for using Gaddafi to support Obama?

Ahmadinejad called Israel a stinking corpse on their birthday. Not much Democratic outrage. Bush went to visit and told them Republicans will not appease the enemies that threaten Israel and what do the Democrats do? They attack Bush instead of offering a plan that would show how they will not appease Iran. That is a very simple job. But no, they defend themselves instead of defending Israel. Biden didn't offer any record that Obama is such a defender of Israel.

BIden just lost his credibility as an Obama lap dog, but then he did that when he did not come out long ago and defend Hillary against the racist charges. She defended him when he made his Indian gaffe. We have Edwards and Biden pitching for the VP spot. and spouting whatever nonsense they think will elevate their standing. Such are principles.

CNN is a lap dog too and Cafferty is an expert on anything? An expert on diplomacy and the history of relations between Iran and the US?

Please Craig, tell us you do not support the exclusive protections of the House version of the Bill on Freedom of the Press. This would prtect this buch from being a partisan fourth estate.

Max...I think it's important in our foreign policy to draw a distinction between "Iran" and the fundamentalist assholes who are in charge of it. The idea that one could "talk to" and reason with someone like Ahmadinejad is of course ridiculous on its face. That's a dead end for the Dems. But I wouldn't totally write off the Iranian public -- which actually has large segments of highly educated and progressive-minded citizens, citizens who probably don't think of Israel as a stinking corpse. How might U.S. foreign policy create and exploit such a potential wedge between a reasonable populace and its insane government? Beats me. That's why we have a State Department, supposedly. But I just sense that as the path of promise -- and it's somewhere between "appeasement" and "obliteration."

Warren, did we go to war with Gaddafi or just talk to him to get him to come clean? God, I would hate to live in your black and white world. You must miss all the beautiful colors in between,

Progress is made by negotiating from a position of strength and often with the threat of force and sanctions. Then adversaries talk. I suppose we just talked to the Soviets. We just talked to Gaddafi. We just talked to NK. Your pitch is absurd Warren. Very lawyerly.

If you are going to talk to Hitler, you had better have your army booting up. Hitler saw no reall opposition. There is a big difference between appeasement and negotiations. The Taliban have been talked to. Because NATO troops were not supplied in force, the Taliban laughed. Even Saddam said he never negotiated because he never believed we would actually invade. Are you clueless? Even the NIE said sanctions were critical to slow Iran, yet Obama rejected more sanctions. And in light of Democratic leanings, Ahmadinejad laughed at them too and said he could care less who wins here in Novemember.

Carter talked to Hamas a few weeks ago and what did they do Warren? They hailed Carter as giving them standing and then attacked Israel. When we hwwld out first security talks with Iran over Iraq, what did they do? They shipped in Quds and EEP to kill out troops.

There is some one I would fear more in power than Obama. That is you Warren. You get blasted on your SOF remarks and run. You get asked tough questions and you deflect and side step. Even Obama couldn't summarize directly his response to the Israel question in the debate. Or where you not watching?

And what signal did the Democrats make when Pelosi and Reid visit Syria? Didn't Asswad go forward with their secret nuke program, move missiles up to the border and murder more politicans in Lebanon? Or did you not read the papers? We are seeing what the Democrats plan to do when attacked on their foreign policy position. They will scream swift boating and offer bullshit counters. It will be identiy politics and demonizing anything that vets the actual record.

How is Obama's plan on Iran not appeasement if he doesn't spell out the options he would present Ahmadinejad? He has offered nothing but talking to resolve a situation that no amount of talking by France, China, Russia, Germany and England with US backing has yielded anything but zero. Do you get it yet Warren are are you a complete ObamaZombie?

k

Of course, you are right LL. When Obama got heat for Hamas, he totally rejected that idea though Palestinians elected Hamas DEMOCRACTICALY. Ahmadinejad functions with less support at the will of the ruling Mullahs who once condoned the coup by the Shah. We should continue to bolster the reformers, but there will come a time that selective strikes might be needed to slow Iran. Without Obama telegraphing the options as he did to the Pakistanis, he is offering nothng but appeasement and showing how much he lied to AIPAC.

Bear said: "I just realized that Hillary Clinton is the only person with any connection the Bill Clinton administration that has won an election since he left office..."

Bill Richardson. Governor of New Mexico.

I think that the Edwards endorsement means more to the individuals (Clinton and Obama) then to the American public. I could care less who Edwards supports, or Kennedy, or Richardson or the rest of his posse. Maybe the weak supers D's will be moved.

I have always voted based on my own conscience. Never been influenced to change my vote based on anyone's endorsement.

o. k.: off topic - claws out: I can't stand the way that Edwards talks. Mid sentence his tongue whips to the side of his mouth and he continues. Look for it. Once, you notice it, it may drive you batty.

Barack Obama
NARAL Affiliates Question Obama Endorsement
By Garance Franke-Ruta
NARAL Pro-Choice America affiliates in key swing and primary states are openly distancing themselves from the decision by NARAL Pro-Choice America to endorse Illinois Sen. Barack Obama over Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton to be the Democratic nominee for president
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/15/naral_affiliates_question_obam.html

I tried to post this earlier when is was being discussed but the site was down.

Bear said: "I just realized that Hillary Clinton is the only person with any connection the Bill Clinton administration that has won an election since he left office..."

Andrew Cuomo. New York State Attorney General.

does anyone here listen to Kevin James on talk radio? I never heard of him and hopefully I will never hear him again. What a douche bag. Tweety just smoked his ass and told him he was full of BS. I am not a fan of Tweety but well done sir well done.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Max,

The problem with Iran, at least from the cheap seats where I reside, is that the ruling Mullahs amount to a black box. Not sure how you crack it open and tinker with the gears inside. Mahmoud is just their hapless, naive puppet, whatever the case. Maybe that's the place to start -- by ignoring anything he says and addressing and reacting to only the ruling mullahs in our foreign policy. And constantly invoking "the people" of Iran, like we're going over the heads of their government.

North Korea, in its way, is much simpler. It basically just operates as a garden-variety, totalitarian cult of personality. All you have to figure out is how to scare the shit out of the main dude. But that's also why it's dumb (or at least disingenuous) for Biden to compare NK to Iran, if that's what he in fact did today. (Didn't catch him either, during my chicken salad sandwich).

If the Dems want to win the White House, I think they seriously have to consider a Obama/ Clinton ticket.

Who can deliver the votes she has repeatedly proven she can win? What other Dem, has that ? Anyone?

Bear said: "I just realized that Hillary Clinton is the only person with any connection the Bill Clinton administration that has won an election since he left office..."

Al Gore, President of the United States, November 2000.

Bear,

I need names and addresses of that chocolate cream pie. also chicken fried steak same deal. I mean you owe me now for the Chinese place Wan Fu. Cough it up buddy. :)

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

UnlikelyB...glad to see you.

I'll see your "who else can get the votes she can" and raise you a "who else will be able to run the country sensibly the way she would."

Hillary needs to be on the ticket, with a guarantee of the Dick Cheney portfolio. At least someone then will be available to lead our nation when tough times call for more than a pep rally and a soul-stirring speech about something no one really wants to talk about.

I can see Obama, with strings going upward to Hillary's hands, exactly like Bush and Cheney.

Actually, Bush and Obama share many traits and characteristics.

This would not surprise anyone, however, the guest lists would be a b*tch.

Unlikely,

Probably the biggest landmine in an Obama-Clinton White House would be that the "second spouse" wouldn't be able to keep his hands off the "first spouse." You just KNOW Bill wants Michelle bad! Don't you?

j

Good to see you too LL, and thank you for your past words of support. I have counsel now, and waiting to see how everything pans out.

To watch these politicians, and their actions, I truly believe they are so out of touch with (as Chris Matthew's says) "the little people."

The problem LL, is that within a few years, Iran will have both bombs and the means to deliver them clandestinely (apart from the ballisitic missiles they can almost use already to launch sats into space.

So what to do? We should already be imposing new hard sanctions as well as block Russian support. Next we should be increasing Intel and trying hard to locate the sites that need attention. We should have the IC fess up and admit their last report was both a political and intelligence mistake. With pressure mounting, a Democratic President might actually have some leverage to get some high ranking figures in Iran to break the Mullah line. The NIE showed how sanctions hurt Iran.

Also strength in Afghanistan and Iraq would completely thwart Iran's present expectation we will fold. Meanwhile, Israel could talk to the Sunnis and possible even send signals to Syrai in an attempt to hamper Hamas and split Sunnis from Iranians by making moves towards resolving their conflict. Lebanon is a key flash point that Obama hasn't even approached.

Biden made a fool out of himself today and every day, Hillary looks more sane. The Democrats are cavng into the very mindset I predicted an Obama victory would bring. Under this coup by media, caucuses, internet and anti-Bush pathology (aided by Bush himself), how can a Liberal rationalist vote for such foolish ideology and political partisanship?

South America, the Middle East, Africa and even Asia will become more chaotic as the new Democratic mindset unfolds. Cut military aid to the Andes and South America as border security is halted. Retreat from the Middle East and make a foolish bargin with Iran. Allow China and Russia to leverage more resources and friends. Raise the corporate and capital gains tax while cutting defense in an attempt to redistribute wealth at a record rate.

Thank God a term is only four years.

I heard someone today say that if she is the vp then BHO will probably need to hire a food taster. Now before everyone gets up in arms, I am sure the guy was joking and I did think it was a funny line but not true.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

You know...make me laugh ...LL....Michelle might just be the aggressor in that case.

Max...once you can launch any projectile to orbit, you by definition have rudimentary inter-continental delivery capabilities. I didn't realize Iran was there yet. Thanks for the info. Scary as hell.

I'm actually getting kinda sweaty thinking about Michelle. Even though she's crazy, she IS pretty damn hot.
Okay. Enough. Married woman, Lardass. Shut up.

"Hillary needs to be on the ticket,"

I absolutely do not want her to take the VP slot on this doomed ticket.

"Jamie you can't blame Tweety, everybody loves a winner. "

True right now. But I can damn them for inadequate and prejudicial one sided coverage for the last 10+ months that is a total betrayal of all journalistic ethics.

Max...have you ever read "The Great Game" by Peter Hopkirk? It's an awesome account of of the 19th Century geopolitical chessboard that was Central Asia...with the players being Europe, Russia and the assorted local empires and khanates.

Anyway, one of the things that struck me most about the history of that time was that Persia (now Iran) was always the biggest slut in the game. Consistently, the fickle Persian ruler would side with whichever side seemed to have the upper hand at any given moment. And Persia just always came out looking foolish and weak in the end.

I know it's always dangerous to compare historial epochs, but I think there's some of that still going on today. As reference, Mahmoud's pathetic efforts to kiss Germany's ass and bait Merkel into some sort of weird, latter-day Holocaust denial as the basis for a warped "alliance" against the West.

Anyway, just a random thought. If you haven't read the book, or any of Hopkirk's other great stuff on the region...you should for sure. Easily acquirable on amazon.

Patsi...not sure the ticket would be so doomed if they put Hillary on with the Cheney portfolio. I know I'd be a whole lot more excited about going out to vote.

It's either that, or a clueless Obama by himself, or McCain.

Shudders!!

It has escaped our radar because Iran uses the Space Program PR in another bid to build "civilian" programs....LOL What is alarming are their fingerprintless cruise missiles and medium range missiles. Don't kid yourself that Syria/NK/Iran are not working together with Chinese and Russian support.

Hell, why do you think Belarus kicked out our Ambassador? Iran's main reason for not improving relations with the West is that they fear that on the ground Intel with more people visiting would bring. They don't even trust the Chinese and Russians very much and are cracking down on native Sunnis.

Now if the NIE has a clue, where did Iran make their new carbon based P-2 centrifuges? At what facility and the Iranian resistance group has now located a new nuke weaponization facility of which Iran refuses to allow inspection. Intel has claimed that nearby our facilities for NK scientists. Note the lack of comment on the evidence presented Congress concerning the Israeli strike on Syria.

Instead of boasting about the merits of talking, it would be a coup to reveal the actual network going on to bring stronger sanctions. Our adversaries are using our climate to cement their network which appears to involve making various components around the world, in the same way we create our space station. To date, NK refuses to reveal its own uranium based program or the help they supplied Syria.

At some point this will all become a shock as the question will be, "How did the Democrats let this all escape their attention/" Answer? We were too busy demonizing bush and doing the opposite of Bush. I guess they liked that episode on Seinfeld.

I think these candidates must get massages everyday. How do they keep up this pace?

Many people here seem to be avid readers, many are writers, I would like to hear anyone's most favorite read. I want to read one "great" book this summer and I want it to be well worth my time.

I welcome suggestions.

Gordo

"the "dark" history of the Clintons is well known."

What are you going to do next; publish the Clinton Death list?

It is wonderful that virtually all of the charges against Sen. Clinton from so called "liberals" are taken directly from the Right Wing playbook of the impeachment.

Nice company you are keeping.

LaLi

"You just KNOW Bill wants Michelle bad! Don't you?"

Maybe not so much since she already said she wanted to claw his eyes out and he hasn't yet even pinched her tuchus.

Thanks LL, sounds like a good read. I know a bit of ancient Persian history and I pick it up around 1900. That leaves out a thousand years...LOL

You sound right, but part of the Ahmadinejad game is to win some pan-Muslim support with his attack on Israel. This is part of the INeoIslamist line.

Please note the media spin. It is now Bush saying Obama would appease terrorists. Not true. Bush talked about a head of State , Hitler, being appeased as he advanced his idea of genocide against the Jews. In this regard how can Obama support the notion of talking directly with a head of State that called Israel a stinking corpse on their 60th Birthday? And without something more than words, what will Obama do to back up his present claim he will oppose Iranian nukes, terror and hegemony?

The media has re-framed the debate in terms that make Obama's position the best it can be under the circumstance of his record and weak policy position.

UnlikelyB: War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy, in a new translation by Richard Pevear and Larissa Volokhonsky. It should be available in hardback in your local Barnes and Noble.

No joke. It is a feast for the imagination. Better than the greatest movie you ever saw. If you can put up with the footnotes and the passages in French (conveniently translated) you'll never regret it. I'm still pecking my way through it -- which is honestly the main reason I so excitedly recomment it. But it's honestly like savoring the most delicious meal I've ever eaten.

Jamie,
To Michelle that's just foreplay.....she's setting the stage....lol

Jamie...and you just have to know BILL broke a sweat when he heard she wanted to claw his eyes out! She might as well have asked him out on a date, as far as he was concerned!

Yep, read Audacity of Hope, knowing now what most failed to grasp when they first read the fiction. NAd notice the stuff Obama leaves out. I suspect you will not be voting for Obama...LOL

Unlikely...I meant to tell you, a few weeks back I looked on the link to your blog and saw that horrendous structure that is going up across the street from you, not to mention the great house that it replaced. Your reaction to that crime cemented my respect for your sensibilities.

LL War and Peace......I'd love to conquer that. I have to admit I was in two book clubs and I would always ask for a page count, half way being funny and half knowing I may not get it finished.

War & Peace would be a humongous achievement for me, and if it as good as you make it sound -I may just try.

: )

Dooty

"I am sure the guy was joking"

The first time it was a joke. Hearing it every day from multiple sources and added to Gordo's "Clinton's dark history" above and you know that it is a spin line that has been put out to discredit her.

I don't know who started that particular comment line, but it has definitely been faxed, phoned, emailed, and opined on TV and radio.

This is an example of what we "Clintonistas" are literally boiling about. It is so low blow and scummy.

Quote of the day, from the Politico:

A GOP House leadership aide told Politico last week that “if we don’t win in Mississippi, I think you are going to see a lot of people running around here looking for windows to jump out of.”

The $1.27 million that the NRCC spent in the heavily Republican district amounted to nearly 20 percent of the committee's entire cash-on-hand. The committee has now spent more than $3 million to defend three conservative House seats, losing all three of them, and it is ill-equipped financially to compete fully in an ever-widening playing field for November.
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Get that people? The NRCC spent 20% of its entire budget to lose a MS race

Unlikely...think of it not as a thousand page novel (or whatever it is), but as five 200 pagers. That's the way to the summit. Meanwhile, get in the mindset of being as passionate about Napoleon Bonaparte as you are about George W. Bush and the rest of the yahoos on today's scene, and you're on your way.

And Tolstoy makes it easy, because he is so human and engaging and universal and timeless. He didn't even think of himself as something so snooty as what is now known as a "novelist" -- he was simply out to capture life.

If he were alive today, he'd be the author of the books you see people reading on airplanes.

This translation is brilliant -- and makes Tolstoy even moreso to English-speaking readers.

jamie,

This is the first time I had heard it and the only time I passed it a long. maybe you need to take a break from all this if your boiling point is that close. Surely your doctor would like you blood pressure down a few points. I know mine does. I thought this was a free speech zone. Surely you agree with that? Right?

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

yeah - it is right next door..... thanks for your comment...

My written objections is what has positioned me as a target for abuse of power ,intimidation and verbal threats of criminal charges presented to me by plain clothe detectives on orders of our Law Director.

Needless to say, you don't have to be a 20 year-old minority male anymore to be a victim of abuse of power.

LL you have sold me, I will get it tonight. Is it available on CD ? .....j/k

Oh...Unlikely...here's another tip if you start the climb. Keep a writing pad and pen at your side as you read. You need to do your own diagrams and descriptions of the characters and their relationships as they are introduced. Once you get the main players nailed down, it's as easy as watching an episode of "Dallas" or "Dynasty." But you have to do the spade work in the first couple hundred pages. It will pay off.

The press has been so gah gah over Obama, that if he does win the presidency we will never get a straight story. Not that we get great news now, but the slant this primary has been like no other.

It's like a scene out of a b rated junior high school movie...
There are way too many MAN-CRUSHes going on re: Obama.

Unlikely...OMG! I didn't realize your current issues with the authoritarian state were connected to the monstrosity being built across the street from you. That is outrageous. I'm sorry if bringing it up brought any pain.

Final tip on War and Peace: If you start it, and give up, you haven't failed at all. You have succeeded in beginning to read one of the greatest works ever made by man. So don't be intimidated! Go for it!

Burrito

"I welcome suggestions"

If the books owned by this crowd were combined we could probably give the Library of Congress a run for its money. : ) What are your interests? Do you prefer fiction, non fiction, or fiction that features non fiction events? Mysteries? Romance? You name it and we can probably come up with suggestions.

If you are going to take the whole summer to read, then I would go for Helen Santmyer's "And Ladies of the Club". It covers 100 years and four generations with all of the changes in events and mores of a small town in middle American as experienced by a women's book club. About a 1000 pages of fact based fiction and a really, really good read.

http://www.amazon.com/Ladies-Club-Helen-Hooven-Santmyer/dp/0425174409

Just read the reviews at the bottom of the above link.

LL,
Yep, I spoke, I asked questions, I disagreed. I have great counsel, and I am willing to bring this Law Director down if I can. One good thing - is all my communication was via email, and jpegs so my story is perfectly documented.

Going to buy War & Peace tonight on Amazon, and try to get it before my dogs do. : )

LL

War and Peace is wonderful, but you should warn her that all Russians have three names and trying to keep Title, generic and nicknames straight when all three are all the same person can be a bit of a chore. : )

MSM has barely touched the Obama scandals. Actually, Wright got little air time except on Fox News and talk radio.

Thanks Jamie,

I own that book, "And Ladies of the Club" but have never read it. Many people call that their all time favorite.

I am going with " War and Peace"......for starters....

I love that Seinfeld, when Elaine in the back of a limo says the original title of " War and Peace" was, "War! what is it good for"....absolutely nothing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX7V6FAoTLc
For dessert : Batman comics.

nick

What in the world are you talking about? I never mentioned a thing about the content of any of the Wright sermons, if only because I didn't think they were that awful.

Jamie...re, Russian names. Hence the pen and notepad.

And Unlikely...don't forget the pen and notepad! They will be your sword and shield as you make your climb!

Dooty

I wasn't criticizing you, and it was semi humorous if you find Lucretia Borgia as presidential candidate funny.

I was just pointing out that it was a meme that has been circulating for several weeks ... just more of the misogynistic stream that has been going around. Women just get tired of it all. We started off basically indifferent to Sen. Obama. This is the sort of thing that has moved a lot of us to outright dislike.

This could be IT:

I now have it from two sources close to senior Republicans that they have video dynamite–Michelle Obama railing against “whitey” at Jeremiah Wright’s church. Republicans...are hell on wheels when it comes to opposition research. Someone took the chance and started reviewing the recordings from services at Jeremiah Wright’s United Church of Christ. Holy smoke!! I am told there is a clip that is being held for the fall to drop at the appropriate time."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/15/will-barack-throw-mama-from-the-train/

Nick ------------

Did not see your post.

One of my favorite Simposons episodes "Homer-Phobia" involved the United Steel Workers. The episode included the classic line: 'We work hard....we play hard!" The credits included this line:

"Dedicated to the Steel Workers....keep reaching for that rainbow!"

Don't we already suspect that Michelle Obama doesn't care much for "whitey" America?

Don't we already suspect that at some point in time Barack and Michelle were in Rev. Wrights church and heard anti american, anti white etc comments?

Is this footage really news, or just proof of what many already believe?

I think the timing is too late, for release of this tape ( if it exists )

I mean , "Homer's Phobia". My bad,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homer's_Phobia

I never sign in or out of type key never have a problem that I can see.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

I never sign in or out of type key never have a problem that I can see.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Nick, GORDO...If the DNC (not to mention the Obama and Clinton campaigns) hasn't already had some flunkie intern review every single hour of every single available recording of a Wright sermon by this time, I would be shocked. It is a finite task, albeit a mindless one. But that's why you have drooling interns. There should be no mystery left about Wright or anything that was said or recorded in his church. This crap is all public domain at this point.

That's also why I'm disinclined to believe that the RNC has anything it could spring as an October surprise.

Shopping on Amazon: I have to spend .56 more cents to get free shipping.......

Which means I will spend something like 10 dollars to save 5 , but end up spending 5 more, because mentally I do not value "shipping." And there is the flaw in my logic, I should value shipping.

Shipping is an equitable exchange of service for money.

Tax is another line item I don't value, but in reality, I should. I do not have to take care of the roads, cut the lawn at the park or shine the fire engine.

ha ha ha LOL

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

This could be (if it exists) what the Clinton campaign did not know how to get out to the public. Will have to be really bad to move SDs away from Obama - they don't want Hillary as the nominee and there is the AA alienation problem. (Larry Johnson might be shifting this to Repubs, when he really got the info from the Clinton camp).

Nick

When the bullets are coming from all sides, it is a little hard to tell which ones are joking "blanks" and which ones are deadly serious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM

Given what we know about MO (rip Bill Clinton's eyes out), this is believable - would not be out of character.

Nick...I agree with the spirit of what you're saying. All I'm saying is that if the Dems haven't reviewed everything Wright-related that the GOP has or could have access to at this point, they've flunked entry-level due diligence. And GORDO, even if Hillary's oppo-research people were afraid to "go public" with a Michelle bombshell, they certainly would not be squeamish about a private screening for Howard Dean, et al. And if Dr. Dean were actually squeamish about entertaining such a screening, then the Dems are really more hopeless than even I'm willing to believe. So God save us all.

That's why I don't believe in a Michelle Obama "October Surprise."

LL that makes sense but one Republican told me that they want Obama to win the nomination. Hannity's primary goal was to prolong the Democratic fight. There are private video's fromTrinity and they are not easy to come by.

I also hear there is strong evidence that Obama met Auchi and as the Washington Post said today, that would be a tremndous problem for Obama. Auchi was making a fortune off the oil for food program and one of his friends has been arrested paying for three Congresscritters to meet Saddam. Auchi was against the Invasion. This is a dirty mess and no wonder Daley doesn't want more relevations concerning the Chicago gutter involving Republicans and Democrats. In the GE, McCain won't get tarred by this corruption and the facts will involve Obama directly. Barry has denied meeting Auchi for good reason. The Middle East connection coupled with Wright's anti-Jewish meme will not be lost on Jews and Evangelicals.

If Obama tries to deflect with Hagee, McCain can point out that at least Hagee apologized.

No, I think there is reason for Republicans to save the nuclear option for the GE, but I would let some thngs trickle out. We have seen that some bad news merely gets spun away over time. Some things might be best left with little time to recover.

Maybe you are right however, and nothing damning really exists. Still, my sources say Auchi and some damning video do exist, but do not come from Clinton sources. In Republican hands, they may lie dormant until the GE and air as 527s that will be shocking and hard for Obama to recover from. If he does not fess up now and this does happen, his career is over for what he will have done to the Democrats.

I doubt they will wait till October. Just let the little woman keep talkin'.

I believe Dean and his followers would rather see McCain elected than Hillary because they can't control her, but can control Obama. With McCain as POTUS - Pelosei, Reed and the rest would still be big players. Also, they don't want to deal with riots in Denver and alienating the AA voters.

m

I was listening to the radio, and the report I heard was about McCain coming up with some really "solid" campaign stuff. What I mean by solid is "easy to sell."

He may just be able to position himself enough toward the center to get the Clinton supporters. He sounded like HIllary in his speech. Same kind of "hard-working" I can get it done line of speech.

He also made a not so veiled insult to Obama : McCain was presented as a middle ground candidate, that was proud to say he wasn't going to spend his 1st term focused on his second term re-election.

War & Peace : Weight 3.8 pounds : Number of pages 1296

Everyone enjoy your night.

peace~

Craig was on with Imus and mentioned this blog. Imus said "I read it some and they're (meaning us) are just stupid."

Craig defended the regulars and said we are his guinea pigs , checking to see how many dems here will jump to McCain.

If there was something in those tapes,don't you think Fox would have put it out.After all ratings are important.And they are fair and balanced.And Novak has probably went thru those tapes.And he would have had it in his column
Ruth

Given the wide variety of opinion, I wonder which of us Imus thinks are "stupid", particularly since several got here because they were defending him.

I used to watch Imus and he's an idiot

It amazes me that these old men get these young wives and think they are in love with them.If they didn't have money and or tv shows or famous in some way these women wouldn't give them the time of day.
Ruth

h

Obama's - DISMISSIVE - "sweetie", remark is indicative of the way his campaign, the MSM, the touting talking heads and all the ignoramus' who attend his rallies, treat Hillary and her campaign. She has fought hard all the last 16 months , he has just had to slide in on the oiled path set up for him by the sleaze standing behind him. He hasn't done anything himself, he can't even speak without fumbling, unless it's printed in front of him(he does read well).

The - useless - new voters (referred to in an earlier blog) elicited a response(sarcastic), but if 9 and 10 year olds were going to knock out a teacher, tie her up and then stab her, I say again, High schoolers and ones living off mummy and daddy are nothing more than chaos. I hope Donna Brazile and Howard Dean et al can find a way to control them the way they control Howdy Doody. Maybe with Teresa Heinz money.

What is going on behind the scenes in the party right now is the most disgusting, self-destructive, loser - type politics ever, and I was giving Democrats credit for being the humanists in the political system. Independent here I come.

These women are angry - Clinton supporters threaten boycott.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nbp3KddRvA

Shania is divorcing "Mutt".

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080516/ap_en_mu/people_shania_twain;_ylt=AsFNsNZeALH3lpYtfwi_MqZxFb8C

Beautiful day here today. Started early with signholding at seven a.m..

The big tqlk here is the 5th District seat being vacated by Darlene Hooley.

The two GOP candidates are in a vicious war with each other..One has accused the other with being pro-life,but also of having paid for an abortion for his girlfriend several years ago . This is about as sleazy as it can get.

Still luv yeh Craig but I/we are boycotting msnbc. I used to watch all the time but haven't had it on in over a month I'm proud to say. the Obamabots, the sexism, the misogyny there is revolting.

Yeh it's everywhere but msnbc is the worst.

Well this is where we disagree because it was neither " fair or square"

The Kennedy/Pelosi/Dean cabal with the cooperation of the media was positively obscene in a manner that bordered on gang rape.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM

"The cost of Obama losing in terms of women's issues is just too great. "

Bull. He will do NOTHING for women's issues. Or working class. Or blacks. We'd get lip service at best.

"will fall in step"

And by the way, I notice all O-bots continually use terms like "fall in step," "get in line" -- might as well just go ahead and say "submit to the good ol' boy network" and be done with it. Voting for this phony is one thing. Putting forth any more effort including things as basic as yard signs and bumper stickers is another.

I love the term O-bots, Patsi.

I need to correct an earlier comment with typos concerning Obama's suddenly
deciding to wear a flag pin. His quick shift to the pin occurred just after Hillary
beat him massively in West Virginia and is a phony and disingenuous move in light of his pervious months of cavalierly snubbing "false patriotism."

Looks like Obama isn't so new-wave after all. His core beliefs seem
pretty hollow, shifting with the political winds, just like all those old politicians
Obama sneers at with such contempt.

" His core beliefs seem
pretty hollow, shifting with the political winds, just like all those old politicians
Obama sneers at with such contempt. "

Yep. That's what I find astonishing this season. His followers can't see that at all. His entire history has been about figuring out how to game the system.

If Clinton supporters want to be able to plug their noses and vote for Barack Obama, I suggest staying away from this blog... You'll only find yourself MORE determined to NOT vote for him.

Obama's use of the term "sweetie" today, to a female reporter, was SO typical of everything that women are opposed to in regard to this man. His patronizing,
dismissive attitude to this woman journalist mirrors Obama's condescending
attitude to the millions of Democratic women he and his surrogates have
demoralized during this election.

There has been a demonizing of women, blue-collar workers, people lacking college educations, the poor -- it's the new Democratic party.

I agree, Patsi, that Obama has dismissed others as well as women in a
patronizing, sarcastic way. The "sweetie" remark was just so blatantly sexist.

I don't know why so many O-bots have such a difficult time understanding
why many women Dems are saying they cannot vote for Obama and stay true to their values and their integrity.

You are so right that there is a new Democratic Party and it doesn't include
a whole lot of former Democrats.

My new answer to Obama supporters when asked how dare I abandon
my Democrat roots in not voting for Obama is "I didn't leave the Democratic Party. It left me."

So, all MSM is playing off the same sheet of music.

Question, who is the conductor of this orchestrated attack against Mrs Clinton and the feminist movement?

Good morning, Flatus! How was the trip? I've been thinking a lot about your wife's journey.

As far as the sexism goes, I think it's been out there growing and far more pervasive than some of us suspected.

Maybe the feminist movement of the '70s did exacerbate it. I'm not sure. But this campaign gave people permission to go for it in a big way. I've heard it on cable long before Hillary's run -- the talk about Pelosi often turned sexist. And given animosity for Bill in some Democratic circles, it turned nearly rabid.

That animosity, I believe, had to do with the Clinton's money-raising prowess and political clout. Kennedy, Kerry, Hart, Daschle -- all people who lost important races. All power hungry men with grudges.

And of course, the sexism certainly isn't all male. My father's attitude toward women was much like yours, Flatus. He was a feminist through and through. There are many women who buy into the talk for various reasons.

But what this has done is alienate a big group of women. I'm not sure what I'll do in November. But I know this, I won't be a worker bee for the party anymore.