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Top of the mornin

Sun not up here yet, but promises to be a beautiful day.
Wonder why Elizabeth Edwards did not go to Michigan with John. She was on all the morning shows touting Senator Clintons health care. I do not think from her tone that she believes in BHO.. Hope she is allright, and her health is not the reason she was absent.

Julie

she's on the stage too......she should say something.

maybe Edwards should have endorsed himself back a ways........maybe he'd have more than 18 delegates.

"Wall Of Sound" Engineer Dies

(Los Angeles, CA) -- The man who helped Phil Spector build his Wall of Sound has been silenced. The "Los Angeles Times" says recording engineer Larry Levine died last Thursday at his home in Encino, passing away on his 80th birthday. Levine worked closely with Spector in the early '60s at Santa Monica's Gold Star Recording Studios, translating the producer's grandiose ideas into actual audio. Gold Star co-owner Stan Ross, who was Levine's cousin, notes Larry, quote, "made Phil Spector a genius by applying the simple logic of using echo chamber."
Levine was the engineer behind such hits as the Ronettes' "Be My Baby," the Crystals' "Da Doo Ron Ron," and the Righteous Brothers' "You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling," while he also worked with such greats as Eddie Cochran, the Beach Boys, Sonny and Cher, Wings, the Carpenters, and Dr. John. But he only earned one Grammy in his career. He got the nod for his efforts on Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass' 1965 hit "A Taste of Honey."

Wow it just ate my post...

M0rning sturg:
Yes it is too bad that edwards had to give up so early in the race..
Wonder if his endorsement really will have a impact on Kentucky. Ky is pretty loyal, just like WV.

Julie

Sturg -- Thank you for posting the obit of Larry Levine. An unsung artistic hero indeed.

I'm sorry but I'm not dazzled and awe struck by John Edwards or
his endorsement. Yes. He's done a lot for the underprivleged but so have
Hillary and Bill Clinton. I just thought it was so "politics as usual" when,
after Obama is beaten by a landslide, David Alexlrod does a back door
deal with Edwards to overshadow Hillary's win. It's all so old politics.
I thought Obama was the candidate of the New postmodern Dems?
What was Edwards promised? A VP slot? Power in the Obama inner
circle? John Edwards is probably a decent man, but I don't see how
he is going to help Obama that much because he was always portrayed by the media as a super-elitist--remember he ran with Kerry, Mr. Elite and don't
forget those 600 dollar hair cuts and the primping in the mirror.
Also, what's so wonderful about being endorsed by a man who lost twice?
I'm just saying.

Just looked at the last survey usa and says clinton 63-27 mirroring WV.. It will be interesting to see next monday morning poll. Said the poll had been steady for a month with little change.

Julie

Hey, why is Obama wearing a flag pin, now? I recall not too long ago, he said that wearing a flag pin was so "old politics" and phony. He claimed he didn't need any outward symbols to demonstrate his patriotism.

Looks like Obama isn't so progressive after all. His deep beliefs seem pretty
hallow, shifting with the political winds.

bull pundit.....lol

Obama sudden patriotism is not impressive, as I see it. Too little too late. He was the one that said continually Senator Clinton will do anything to win. Looks like he is of the same ilk. I don't see Senator Clinton giving up until the convention..

Julie

Julie

Edwards delegates are on CNN right now. One of them 18 years old who says she liked Edwards because her parents did and the other one is an Edwards campaign worker. They both said that they are going to support Obama. Both of them also said they like Hillary and would like a dream team ticket.

After spending time with people on the pro-Hillary lists, I think it's safe to day that a VEEP slot would be the only thing to keep them in the DEM party. I have a too many friends who are saying they will vote McCain, or write-in Hillary. These are activist, intelligent, well-educated women who have money. They are insulted by Obama's arrogance and what is perceived to be misogynistic treatment of Hillary by his surrogates and propmeisters in the MSM. It will take nothing less than a Hillary VEEP to keep them. Obama's late-game platitudes aren't cutting it.

Travis Childers won in LA speical election -- he had ads up specifically disassociating himself from Obama. He said "I don't know him, I never even met him...." Ha! Obama's got negative coattails in the red states.

If Hillary has the dirty on BO as it has been claimed, sure wish she would use it. He sure doesn't play with clean fingers.
Michigan & Florida will be a real test. Seems a double edged sword. If the put them in play, the delegate goes to 2210. If not and BO declares next week, he will certainly lose both states. Reason for Michigan visit yesterday.

j

Prof Marcia -- You have exactly right -- for such a new political paradigm of change guy, Obama sure does court the old tired horses -- Kennedy, Kerry, Dodd, now Edwards the also-ran.

I know there are many women Hillary supporters on this blog--
I can't name you all but I appreciate you--Ally, Ruth, Oregon
Democrat, many others.

Please read the Washington Post article today, May 15, by
Marie Cocco, "Misogyny I Won't Miss." It could just as well be
entitled, "I'm A Democrat and Why I Can't Vote For Obama."

This powerful article highlights the sexism that has overshadowed
Hillary Clinton's run for the presidency.

have to laugh about EDWARDs ..he was on msnbc with his BULL S***.....i not tellin who I voted for!!!

Now trying to get the publics attention....WELL he is a stranger to media coverage!!!

Personally, I don't think Obama will gain as many votes as we might assume with Clinton on the ticket. Many women will see her role as VP as just another example of a woman playing a subserviant role to a man. And he risks alienating his own voters with her on the ticket.

The Edwards endorsement is yet another example of people like Edwards not REALLY understanding the dynamic of the party right now. Last week Edwards claimed to want party unity, but taking the story away from Hillary yesterday and further alienating her supporters is not a step toward unity. It's a step toward this new coaltion that the Obama campaign speaks of and, unfortunately, many Clinton supporters will not be part of this new coalition. As I have said before, I'm sure the bean counters in the Obama campaign have crunched the numbers and believe they can win without her base. I hope they're right.

ronnie and larry levine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ONH3hIjO3c

Julie-
I think John Edwards implied last week on MoJo that he and Elizabeth voted differently.

CNN covering the Obama-Edwards event by playing the clip of Edwards praising Hillary-MOJO covering the event by playing the clip of the audience booing when Edwards mentions Hillary-Obama sitting there with that smug look on his face. I don't know what I'll do in November--my husband hasn't decided either.

Prof. Marcia: Yes, i read that article in the Post online a couple of days ago. It certainly addresses a lot of the reasons I won't miss this primary and will begin to detach from the process, which is what a lot of Clinton supporters will do.

ubns: No offense, but I really don't think Obama needs your vote or my vote. That campaign has been run with a very strong attention to math. They know that many of us might not turn out for him and I believe they have run the numbers and know they can win without the traditional coalition of the Democratic party (white women over the age of 35, elderly and working class.)

Already made up my mind to write in Clinton for Pres.
Even if she is on ticket with Bo. My conscience just will not let me vote for him.

j

Craig or anyone,

I have some important questions, while at least they seem important to me.
What is the magic number of delegates that Hillary and Obama need to
win the nomination?The pundits seem to be saying one number and Hillary Clinton has a different number. Doesn't the math change if Florida and Michigan are counted?

If Obama reaches the correct number of delegates before May 31st when
the Democratic committee will decide the fate of Florida and Michigan, does
that mean the race is over?

What if Hillary Clinton disputes Obama's number and demands Michigan and
Florida be seated before a winner is declared? Can she do this?

Did I ask too many questions for so early in the morning?

Hillary Clinton is dearly loved in Kentucky..i doubt if Edwards will sway too many of us in Kentucky..

Nick: The booing last night when Clinton's name was mentioned by John Edwards is a poor reflection of the new coalition and their desire to unify the party. It just isn't there. Unity as it is presented by the Obama campaign means bringing in Independents and Republicans. It never meant the One American that Edwards speaks of and it doesn't mean folding in Clinton supporters.

(I meant to say "One America")

I don't think Edwards is gonna pull many Hil'ry supporters toward BO. Clearly, he thinks BO can promise him a position in his administration. Yeah, right...just like his VP-ship last go-round. Blind party loyalty has caused him to hitch his star to the wrong wagon.

Craig, I think this campaign will go down in history as creating a viable 3rd party. A party for the middle. The neo-conz hijacked the GOP & now the liberal left coast-types have hijacked the Democratic party.

A WRITE-IN CAMPAIGN FOR HIL'RY!!!

prof Marcia - Is BO wearing a regular flag pin or the "joke" 57 state flag pin someone cranked out already? (Gotta love folks for quick production of all the silly crap you could ever want to buy.) Someone named carol popped by the other day & said that there were 57 Islamic states...checked the net & it seems that is so. One more thing the GOP will use to sink BO in the general...since it seems the Dems are intent on running with a Kerry-esque ticket, again. Heck, maybe just put Edwards up as veep & we can relive the whole, stinkin' election.

BO is clearly a hypocrit. If he is backed into a corner, he will pander to certain groups of voters & denounce his pastor, say he loves his country & accessorize...all the while trying to hide the bad taste these things leave in his mouth with a smile.

Al Gore isn't gonna pull Hil'ry voters toward BO, either. Fortunately, he has had the good sense to keep it to himself so far.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080515/pl_bloomberg/aq0blb6vk6h8

Hil'ry in '08!!!

Considering how I spent last evening around my sister's kids , two of whom are adopted , I'm kinda at a loss right now. I saw that Barack got the Pro Choice endorsement yesterday. I realize that if it weren't for birth mothers of my niece's choosing adoption , they wouldn't be here. I'm not knocking pro choice , I'm just starting to realize why I am an independent. I don't fully agree with Dems on some issues and I don't fully agree with Repubs on some issues. I'm more toward the center , not far left or far right.

a politician is a politician is a politician.......

--Gertrude Stein

Obama was compared to a rock star in Grand Rapids.

Hmmmmm... "Do anything to win?" What would you prefer, "Do anything to LOSE?" Heck, as long as there are moronic "bloggists" out there...possibly such as yourself (and I stress "possibly") not to mention a media core bent on doing Obama's crucifixion, Wright, (pun, intended) my man's already covered on the "do anything to lose" front.

What is interesting about BHO is that he has now conclusively proven that he is not only a politician but a truly viscious politician. The timing last night of the Edwards endorsement to sucker punch Clinton and step all over the road block to the news shows coming out of of WV was brilliant.

BHO (or his backers) in previous campaigns have not hesitated to destroy the other candidate. This time around courtesy of a media that narrowed the field, an old lions power/money coalition that wanted their power back, the built in inequities of the election process, the still existent sexism in our society, and most importantly the missteps of the Clinton campaign we now have what is likely to be another appointed and annointed President.

There is always the possibility of some election destroying event, Clinton's quote of she wouldn't quit and she "wouldn't be pushed out" but would "work for the party" tells you two things. She recognized what had happened, knew the odds have now become almost insurmountable, and now says "party" rather than "candidate".

It is now up to her backers to decide whether to support Obama, the Party, or write in her name as a protest (useless but principaled position). I have a sneaking suspicion Elizabeth Edwards just may be one of the write ins.

Ally, prof marcia--I read the Marie Cocco article the other day as well--for me, it reinforced the belief of those of us who have been less than pleased with the
msm coverage of this primary. That she actually calls out specific individuals is interesting, although at this point in time the damage has been done.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/14/AR2008051403090.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

As far as John Edwards endorsing Obama (as a former Edwards supporter), it has no effect on my views today--Hillary has proven to be the best candidate to win the presidency in November.

It remains to be seen as to who I will vote for in November, to soon to make that decision. Not prepared to jump on the bandwagon.

what if the "center" is just one point on a circle........

5/14/2008

"After a landslide victory in West Virginia, the Clinton Campaign today announced that former Kentucky Governors Wendell Ford, Paul Patton, John Brown, and Julian Carroll are endorsing Hillary for President. The endorsements demonstrate the widespread support Hillary continues to receive throughout the Bluegrass State."

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=7701

long..........where was the pun?

The negativity is getting to me as well. It seems as if there are no boundaries to it now. I was kinda wondering last night about what brings or brought people to post here when they first arrived. This place has changed quite a bit since I first joined. It's definitely not the same atmosphere it was 2 years ago.

Craig: it was good to see you on Verdict last night. I'm never coherent enough to catch Imus in the morning ...

Good morning,

The timing of Edward's endorsement was a slap in the face to the people who have voted for Clinton. It did nothing to bring me closer to pulling the lever (or pushing the button) for Obama in November.

Thanks for the heads up on the Washington Post article.

jamie - But as you said the other day, wouldn't it be nice to hear the number of write-in votes for Hil'ry (if the Dems are foolish enough to run BO). Still, it's more important to me to keep that arrogant, insincere, incompetent man out of office...so we'll see what the GOP can come up with.

Rasmussen:

"However, if Clinton does not win the Democratic Party nomination, 29% of Democrats say she should run an Independent campaign for the White House. "

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/38_of_democrats_want_clinton_to_drop_out

Jamie: It was just too much to ask for Hillary to have 24 hours of positive media coverage for her win in West Virginia. Why? Because she won West Virginia by 41 points without any negative campaigning. There was no 3 am ad for the NY Times to blame the Obama loss on as they did in their op-d "The Low Road to Victory" op-ed the day after the Pennsylvania primary:

"The Pennsylvania campaign, which produced yet another inconclusive result on Tuesday, was even meaner, more vacuous, more desperate, and more filled with pandering than the mean, vacuous, desperate, pander-filled contests that preceded it."

The media isn't comfortable with a narrative that speaks of Obama's weaknesses, only Clinton's.

Hi Ally,

I'm glad you read the article. I'm comforted by the fact I'm not alone
in my feelings about being let down by the Democratic Party.
How could all these so-called humanitarian uniters allow the sort of misoginistic rhetoric to proliferate during this primary? What? Sexism is
okay but racism isn't?
I can't forgive or forget quickly.
There is no way I would ever feel comfortable voting for Obama.
I think that Camp Obama is seriously underestimating Hillary women
supporters. I know of several like me who won't be voting for Obama
in the general.

Jamie, you rightly point out---

'It is now up to her backers to decide whether to support Obama, the Party, or write in her name as a protest (useless but principaled position)."

As previously stated, will not jump on the Obama bandwagon, have not decided who gets a vote in November, however, as a long time democrat, I can assure you of one thing--as to the dem. party, I have no respect for it or those who are in control of it--will in all likelihood change my registration to independent for
the forseeable future.

Marcia: I don't think the Obama camp is underestimating anything...I don't think believe they feel they need the votes. They have a plan for winning that doesn't include much of HIllary's base (Donna Brazile said as much.) And they might be right.

(Not "think believe" just "believe". Sorry!)

Interesting piece that lists Top 10 McCain stories that are worth pursuing. Including, in no particular order, that he's physically unfit, possibly morally unfit, a closet misogynist and an ethics hypocrite. Nice way to start the day:

http://thephoenix.com/article_ektid61555.aspx

Edwards endorsement coming right after Hillary's route in WV will only alientiate Hillary's giant coaltion (largest in the country) we know Obama was behind this back handed attempt to down play WV.
Craig, please NOTE, Hillary's backers including my whole family will NOT vote for OBama if Hillary is on the ticket either on top or as VP, we will either vote for Mccain or do the writein.

Mel7

The women in my group are in their late 50s to early 70s. I'm the baby of the group. One thing that this campaign has done has awakened latent feminism in some, and reawakened the pre-existing but almost forgotten feminism of others. You know the feminist "click?" My feminist click has been clattering LOUDLY throughout this entire primary season. We are withdrawing -- to work on ratification of the ERA, to form consciousness-raising circles, to read second-wave feminist tracts in newly-formed feminist book clubs. Our local NOW chapter's membership has grown significantly.
Let's join NOW and work on passage of ERA. Let's heal by teaching our sons and daughters the need to overcome our society's deeply embedded sexism and misogyny.

I keep reading, and copying clips to congratulate from Jamie, Prof Marcia, Ally, Coreen, Alicia, ubns, sturge -- well, almost EVERY post! Too many great posts this morning!

Patsi: Did you see that our boyfriend is on MOJO this morning? Harold? It has been sublime.

Kentucky Blue Grass, what will they do... and does it really matter?

Ally - interesting to define unity from BHO.... my concern is that it is not compromise.. it is my BHO way or the Highway

LL , The Tigers had Frank White on their pre-game last night. I had not seen him in a long time. I always liked him as a player.

mornin'all.

Sorry to hear about Larry Levine dying - he was one hell of a sound engineer.

The Edwards endorsement was inevitable - Mrs.Pogo's comment was that he is a chickenshit who was too much of a coward to endorse either candidate before their victory was all but certain. Plus she asked how a two time loser really helps him anyway. Leno already had a joke ready about his cabinet appointment in and Obama adminsitration - Secretary of Blow Dryers and Highlights. (I hope I got that right).

Edwards SHOULD help Obama in KY. He speaks to and like many KYians. Whether he will or not is anyone's guess at this point. We'll have to see who's willing to sip Maker's Mark - there's your winner in KY.

"Still, it's more important to me to keep that arrogant, insincere, incompetent man out of office...so we'll see what the GOP can come up with.' Posted by: blueINdallas

I'm not sure we can accomplish that by a write in. it will just be splitting the vote and that is always a loser. Like you say, we'll see what the GOP can come up with. Really, the only way to "keep the arrogant, insincere, incompetent man out of office" is, unfortunately, to vote for McCain and Democratic down the rest of the ticket.

IS IT time for a REAL and Electable independent to step up and run for the office !!!!
Could this be the cycle that could happen>....

Bloomieeee where are you ???

Alicia: Right on Sister!

Corey

Don't you think that the program dear teddy and weasel howard have been trying to push down the throats of he democratic party isn't divisive? When they set about to literally destroy the party as it has been and divide the ranks, it is bound to cause opposition from both sides of the line.
Seems the far left think that BO the messiah is going to ...change... the political process. Hogwash. Washington is not going to pander to him. They just want the strings to pull the power behind him.

Julie

I read the WA PO editorial and will be sending it to everyone on my email list. I posted a link on my blog as well.

BO's campaign is now obviously "My Way or the Highway" and his highway is a low, low road.

Prof Marcia

I agree with you 100%.. since Kennedy had his tantrum in Feb I knew the "fix" was in. BO is the invention of the DNC and has been advantaged by the power , network etc.therein. like strong arming delegates to support BO with threats of opponents in districts. As of the WV win ..Hillary has won more congressional districts nationwide than BO by 227-186.. so much for the "will" of the people.

This coronation is about REVENGE..and Edwards' endorse is also revenge with HYPOCRISY.

REVENGE: Kennedy is furiuos with BillClinton since 1994 when Bill stopped listening to him and advanced his own agenda after the 1994 loss of Dem. Congress.. TK also never forgave Bill for signing the Welfare Reform Act. Dean was opposed by Clintons in 2004 when he ran for DNC chair. Edwards wanted SC primary win desperately as his home state and blamed Clintons for hard ball campaigning duh!!

HYPOCRISY: 1) The working class voters that Edwards championed.. son of mill worker. are Hillary's people.. not Obama. (elite far left and idealist college kids) and 2) the establishment candidate/inside Washingtonthat Edwards made Hillary out to be.. is none other than Obama.

The DNC, Kennedy, Dean have sold out the heart and soul of the Democratic Party for nothing more than revenge and fielded there blank slate/no record/ hand picked candidate and advantaged him tremendously.

Why else would BO arrogantly switch from primary to GE mode and risk alienating uncommitted super delegates before the end of primary contest.. or convention unless he has assurrances that he will get the nomination. It is unprecendented to take these all important SD for granted.. how arrogant!! which just adds to his horrid persona.

I hope the voters of KY stay loyal!!!

Corey...yes, Frank White was always such a class act. He was a KC native who basically grew up in the shadow of the ballpark and was a product of something called the Royals Baseball Academy...and went on to be a huge star with the hometown team.

Julie , where I live (20 minutes) from last night's rally , is very conservative. Anything too far left will not be supported here. Michigan has not voted Republican since 1988. But , if you look at the last few elections , the Republicans (George Bush) got a lot of support from West Michigan. Normally the election is decided by the voters on the east side of the state (Detroit). It's always East vs. West here in Michigan. I think there are 4 classifications now. Democrats and liberals. Republicans and conservatives. Everybody is sensitive as to what they are labled. Some people consider themselves to be conservatives , but not neccessarily Republicans. They may not always vote with a certain party. They may also vote for the candidate the best represents their views. Be that candidate a Democrat or a Republican.

" Did you see that our boyfriend is on MOJO this morning?"

Oh, yeah, Ally. I was watching! He's so good....even handed, unlike most.

"I think there are 4 classifications now. Democrats and liberals. Republicans and conservatives." Corey

Corey, but what about the "moderates". They're no longer welcome or represented in the "new" coalition of the Democratic party, so who's going to represent them? If they are booting out Hillary, aren't they booting us out with her. I know I'll not back the same organization that planned this whole thing.

What a crazy season that anything can happen.

Can you imagine James Carville saying something that makes sense? It has happened.

Today as the MSM keeps trying to push HRC as a Racist - he was asked would HRC reject any votes by a white person that voted because of race? WHAT A SET UP... very disappointing.

But James did very well... He respond asking the same question that should you not count the vote if people vote for BHO because he is black.

This morning the DC station that carries Imus cut Craig off when he was talking about cutting down some trees and went to a commercial break. When they came back he was done. Did this happen to anybody else?

Did James say he wrote out the check yet?

Exactly , Meg. It seems like there is no room for middle ground in either party at times. I don't get that at all.

Meg,
The Dems are on the way to CHANGE...... Do you not get the message !!

Change Change Change... There is no room for you as a moderate....

The Reps are just a little ahead - as the leadership took the party to far right and that is why the Dems have gained. Now when they go to far left, Rep rebuild then the cycle will come back around.

What else did James say this morning?

Alicia - You're right that Travis Childers seemed to intentionally create distance between himself and Sen. Obama, which is interesting. Childers presents himself as almost more Republican (pro gun, pro life, same sex marriage). That's what it takes to win in his district, which is actually in MS.

the squeaky wheel gets the grease.......

--marvin wheelwright

The elephant in the Democrat's living room is indeed an elephant. At the very time the left (and I consider myself pretty far left, albeit highly pragmatic) thinks they've taken control, the new people being elected, such as Travis Childers -- are conservatives. Some of them are fine -- I love Jim Webb and Jon Tester -- but they won their seats BECAUSE they are conservative Democrats.

Many of them are anti-choice.

And speaking of choice, some chapters of NARAL are defecting, refusing to accept national's endorsement of Obama.

Prof Marcia' s inquiry about # of delegates needed @ 7:30 a.m

Reading today's NYT (the real paper, not the net version) it provides info about the makeup of the rules committee panel & the potential impact of their decision.

Here's the link, but I could not link to the 2 graphs which are to the side of the article --Who's who on a democratic panel & the impact of the committee's
decision---which may be helpful to those wondering what may loom ahead for Hillary's efforts with regard to FL & MI.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/15/us/politics/15rules.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper&oref=slogin

"The DNC, Kennedy, Dean have sold out the heart and soul of the Democratic Party for nothing more than revenge " BOWWOW

Bowwow, when you talk I listen.
Is there any other way to show Dean and the others we won't take it other than voting for their opponent?? I'm still in the decision phase here, but know the only way to beat them is to vote for their opponent. They think we'll all "come home" as they put it, no matter what they do or have done, but I'm a life long Democrat and know I can never vote for Obama and what he and his have done to Hillary.

This morning I wrote my Not One Dime Not One Minute email to NARAL to go with the one I sent to the Democratic Party.

Quit Fooling -- Ha! I just posted and then saw your post -- great minds thinking alike?

Vad......i listen on wabc online......they didnt cut anything

Jamie -- have you read the NARAL message boards? Whoa! And I hear that the most angry posts were deleted!

Is anyone else having computer issues lately? I was spinning through a bunch of my favorite bookmarked porn sites last night, and right in the middle of a Laotian man-on-dog video, my Vista calendar started blinking and rearranging my appointments and all kinds of other wacky stuff. I was thinking at first it might have something to do with giving my date of birth and bank account number to pay for membership on the unregistered, foreign bestiality site...but now after reading through all the problems people were having yesterday, I'm thinking it's TypeKey and has something to do with my pro-Hillary posts this site. Thoughts anyone? Craig, can you have CQ's IT folks look into this please?

Please don't go there , LL. Please.

With only six months before the election, I doubt there is time to form a truly moderate and centrist third party (just deciding on a platform could involve blood and mayhem). It might be a good project for the next four years ... Anybody know Bloomberg? We need lots and lots of money. : )

Sorry Corey. I couldn't resist. But I guess reading through all the computer conspiracy posts at once was funnier and less painful than living through them in real time.

LALI

Be careful ... the powers that be at Microsoft will send their VISTA posse out to place a pod by your bed. You are doomed and don't know it.

Now would be the best time for an independent run for Hillary.Third parties have not had much success in the past because the candidaters did not have a large enough following or they were so far off the main stream of the American people.But now we have a very strong candidate.There are so many disenfranchised voters who will be left out of the process if our only choices will be McCain or Obama.Hillary would give us a voice and she has as much of a chance as the two mainstream candidates.We have been tied to the two party system for too long.

This is our best chance to change American government that we will ever have.
Ruth

ah, that Lardass is such a troublemaker. Don't forget folks, LL started the Hillary write-in movement -- so it could be those Obama Apple users sabotaging your PC

Coreen, thanks much for the link to the Times article on the Rules Committee - interesting read. Here is the one part of it I found very interesting:

"His [Obama's] campaign hopes that the question becomes moot, and plans are afoot for Mr. Obama to claim the nomination on May 20, when the Oregon primary is expected to give him a majority of pledged delegates."

Ummmm, isn't that a little premature? And the woman from WV on the rules committee - Alice Germond - is very likely to support Clinton although she is not formally committed.

ProfM, that's not an easy question to answer, because we don't know how many of the FL & MI delegates will be seated. The real answer is a majority of the total delegates eligible to vote for the party nominee. No less than 2025 and no more than 2209.

Wow! That comments page at the NARAL site is something to read

http://www.blogforchoice.com/archives/2008/05/end-of-the-day.html

Jamie...liked your posts yesterday. Here are a few things for the victorious Obama troops to consider in the runup to Denver the next time they want to continue crapping (and tap dancing) all over Hillary like they did with the timing of the Edwards endorsement:

1. What will a nationally televised convention look like if half the delegates on the floor are totally pissed off over how they've been treated?

2. What will "Hillary night" at the convention look like?

3. Will former two-term Democratic president Bill Clinton be pigeonholed into the role of a spouse on "Hillary night" or will he be given his own showcase to rally the troops?

In other words, Obama folks, it's up to YOU PEOPLE (your favorite phrase) to unify the party, starting right now -- not Hillary.

ruth, fix your problem or still c/p from word?

"I doubt there is time to form a truly moderate and centrist third party" Jamie

But Hillary is our tailor made Candidate. And she's got a winning platform now. And it's catching on. But she's too much of a loyal Democrat to betray them in any way. And that's what we're left with.

Well Nader and the Green Party impacted the Democratic Party last time. The only problem with the delight of spitting in Kennedy and Pelosi's faces it that it would get us McCain. We know how that worked out last time.

This is the NARAL comment page from right after the endorsement. Nearly 3,000 comments:

http://www.blogforchoice.com/archives/2008/05/naral-prochoice-6.html

Here's the web page of the only man who could pay for a third party ... write him a note

http://www.nyc.gov/portal/site/nycgov/?front_door=true

Lal..as always..you are hilarious!!! 8~D

ummmm...any chance you have nudie pics on a myspace page??

It is so nice to come on early this morning with nothing but nice people.Haven't read a negative post yet.How refreshing
Ruth

Meg,

I'm mulling over how to organize a serious write-in campaign effort with national reach. This will prevent BO for being the next Pres. but we must ensure that the Dems win BIG down ticket to get a veto proof Congress. I think McCain is in for 4 yrs and out!! Plus he isn't W.. more moderate and has a brain

Will wait and see who the VP is. If Hillary is asked (I doubt it because of revenge factors) but if.. she will have to take it with a mouth full of bile. If she doesn't and BO still loses in Nov.. guess who gets the blame???

I hope this is the last time the Dems even think about running a far left candidate... I am progressive and left.. but the country is in the center and that's where you WIN!!! WIN!! Jim Webb comes to mind.

Ted Kennedy infuriates me. love his issues ..but how many times do you have to whacked in the side of the head to get it!! McGovern.. Dukakis Mondale!!!

Hillary is the strongest candidate on so many levels.. she's in the center and just think of the moderate Repub/independ women that would flock to her...

But this is about power.. Kennedy will be the new Cheney..

LushIs...we lardasses have our very own social networking site called "myverylargespace.com." And mercifully, they don't allow nudie shots!!

"that Lardass is such a troublemaker. Don't forget folks, LL started the Hillary write-in movement -- so it could be those Obama Apple users sabotaging your PC"

Ha! On the other hand, several years ago, I got a PC laptop specifically for internet use. This was during theKerry/Bush campaign. I often posted on a political site, and the Freepers invaded and were AWFUL! It got very personal, and suddenly, I got a computer virus that started putting porn all over my desktop. (I used to be very bad about opening emails without thinking, so I'm sure it was my own fault.)

BUT, several people on the message board, who had got into it with these young, radical Bush-bots, reported the exact same thing happening. I had to take the lap top to a computer place and have an exorcism performed. Those of us who'd had that happen left the message board.....and I gave the lap top to my son and went back to my Mac computers.

Ruth: It's still early.

I got an idea for Hillary to get some headlines today. Get Joe Biden to endorse her. The media loves him because he speaks his mind. Then tomorrow to get some more headlines get Gore to endorse her. he may not be the best get in the world but it will get the front page story. A bigger play is have both of them on the same day.

Pogo
I have not had to c/p.Ican post ok,only problem is if I post at 9:00 for instance,then I can not read posts after 9 so that is why I just type one letter to keep up.

Ruth

VaDaryl...I love your suggestions, but they sort of remind me about that old saw about the foolproof way to become a millionaire:

"First, get a million dollars. Then...(fill in the blank)."

It is traditional for the nomination to be by acclimation once the requisite numbers have been passed. If I were staging a protest, that would be a good time for every Clinton vote to stand up and walk out of the convention and to do the same for the acceptance speech.

The delegates could have all sorts of fun if they had the guts.

I told my husband I wasn't cooking last night in protest after the Edwards endorsement. He promptly e-mailed John and said: "Thanks a lot. Because you couldn't wait a lousy 3 weeks to support a candidate I didn't get to have Pork Loin Roast with Fig Port Sauce for dinner."

Ruth
Ha, quiet is because the NYC guy isn't on before noon. Sheila is gone for a while & Sturg and Warren are usually more passive toward us Clinton listers . Noone gets too riled in the mornings. We are all still half asleep.
How was your strawberry rhubard pie? Jus thinking makes my diabetic diet swoon. WIsh I lived close to you!
Julie

VaDaryl...I love your suggestions, but they sort of remind me about that old saw about the foolproof way to become a millionaire:

"First, get a million dollars. Then...(fill in the blank)."

Also, I'm not usually big on conspiracy theories, but that incident got me thinking about some news stories -- mainly the one about Ritter, the Iraq critic, supposedly getting busted for having child porn on his computer. So I asked my son, who has a very heavy duty security clearance, what would stop people who wanted to go after someone for political purposes from doing it via some virus. He just laughed and said it would be easy to put something like porn into a computer, then bust the person probably before they even knew the stuff was there.

I can not read posts after 9 so that is why I just type one letter to keep up. Ruth

Nothing wrong with that.
Another way to do it, if you want, is to go back to Craig's original post and click comments again-then it reloads.

good morning gang.....

Lardass...... LOL!......

Craig..... I'm a Clinton supporter Apple user.....
think I'll go get my eye of newt and some bat wings..... gonna brew me a curse.....

Corey.... I originally came here for the humor..... now I'm here because there's many I genuinely think of as friends (yourself included)....

and Lardass..... I agree..... if Obama is the presumptive nominee..... it is up to him and his supporters to unify the party.... not the other way around...

and Ally..... I respectively disagree with you..... I think that the Howard Deans and Donna Brazilles did think the Clinton supporters would eventually come around and support Obama.... I think they've been caught by surprise and are in for a very rude awakening.....

If you would like to move support from NARAL, here is the link for Emily's List

http://www.emilyslist.org/

I can't stick around long gang, but this thread is off to an awesome start with lots of good ideas. So let me go ahead and channel our favorite troll's reaction when he awakens from his pot-induced coma and signs on later this morning:

Bri-a-ninny: *stretches. yawns. picks nose. eats booger. scratches ass. sucks toes. Mornin' peeps...I see you Clintonista are busy laying plans to destroy the Democratic Party this morning. Very gracious of you."

Us: It's called politics, Brian. Deal with it.

Do the Republicans have an organization that's similar to the Dem's DLC? I think the centrists from both parties merged into one would be powerful and appealing. The voices of reason.

He just laughed and said it would be easy to put something like porn into a computer, then bust the person probably before they even knew the stuff was there.
Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page

But then there are those who make fun of us for reporting a problem. They think it's laughable.

Ya know, Ruth, I wondered what that one letter stuff was about. So you have to post to refresh the page? That's weird.

Meg & Bowwow, the problem with independent runs is ballot access so that the candidate's name appears on the ballot in enough states to make a difference. It's the organization, not the candidate, that is problematic for an indie run, which is why you have a Nader on the Green party ticket, for instance - that party has an organizationin place in enough states to get on the ballot and swing an election. If preventing an Obama victory in Nov. (as opposed to seeing a Clinton one) is your goal, the question this year is what states will matter? Obama probably can't beat McCain in FL, PA, OH or WV. He seems to be thinking about VA, NM, CO, OR - those are the states where an org on the ground could make a difference. Plus CA strikes me as a state that could go that way, too. I don't advise this, though - the judiciary is too important from my perspective to torpedo the Dem. candidate in Nov., but I'm just sayin'.

Ruth -- NOTHING beats a rhubarb pie!!!!!

Vadaryl,
I wish it could be but it is a dream to think Gore would support Hillary.The MSM are always saying that he hates Hillary.Now Joe biden would be a real coup.But the way things have been going he would probably jump on the Obama bandwagon.
Maybe if she offered him V.P.he would do it.I wouldn't have minded him being the nominee.But MSM ignored him completely and even made fun of him
Ruth

Renee: But then why are they twisting the knife? Posturing? Deep down I really do believe they can win this thing without Hillocrats. The numbers must be there...they've been right before.

Ruth,

On a bar at the top of your page do you see two little arrows one up one down? You do know that those arrows will refresh the page? If you wait for a while after posting and then refresh, you should see everything submitted after you post.

Julie....perhaps I read your post wrong, but I am an ardent hillary supporter.

strawberry rhubard pie: 4 and twenty poets baked in a pie?

Julie
There are no strawberries in my pie.We don't like it that way and besides my strawberries are just getting blossoms now.And I would love to have you over for a piece.Of course it doesn't last long even tho i bake it on a cookie sheet.
Ruth

With Hillary's luck these days Joe would jump on Obama's bandwagon.

Hillary said you don't leave the court with time still left in the game and you need a 3 pt shot, well she needs a player to take the shot and players to get him/her the ball. So how does she do it? She needs something that will move the supers her way. I think she will get FL/MI to count. A big game changer and I don't see that happening. I'm about ready to throw in the towel and as James says write out the check even though I don't think he's the best canidate but you got to think of the supremecourt.

Meg...I was just teasing. Like I told Corey, I'm sure the problems were very real and frustrating in real time. But reading through it all at once, the whole thing looked like a wacky farce -- almost like a spoof of our Crawfordslist food fights. Heather with a porno blog? Evil Obama supporters hacking into our computers and stealing our identities? What's next?

Anyway, I apologize for making light of the issue. My joking certainly wasn't directed at you or anyone personally and specifically.

Pogo

That ballot access is why I put in the bit about Bloomberg. Even a well established party such as the Greens only has access in 31 states. The two major parties have a strangle hold on the system and only a WHOLE LOT OF MONEY could make 50 state access possible. Otherwise, you have to build a party over years one state at a time.

Ally....
I saw Donna Brazille on CNN Tuesday night...... she was very gracious about Clinton's big win in WV.....

and Howard Dean and Brazille have been right before?.... when?.... lol....

hey.... if you're right.... and they really do think they can win without Hillary supporters or blue collar workers..... then they must be smokin' the same shit that Brian does....

Umm, julie, sturg supports Hillary I believe - he regularly gives Brian and nash hell. Nash on the other hand supports Obama - maybe you confused the two.

LL 9:53 post
Still laughing
Ruth

Ally....
I saw Donna Brazille on CNN Tuesday night...... she was very gracious about Clinton's big win in WV.....

and Howard Dean and Brazille have been right before?.... when?.... lol....

hey.... if you're right.... and they really do think they can win without Hillary supporters or blue collar workers..... then they must be smokin' the same shit that Brian does....

I think that the Howard Deans and Donna Brazilles did think the Clinton supporters would eventually come around and support Obama.... I think they've been caught by surprise and are in for a very rude awakening.....
Posted by: RebelliousRenee

Yes, they are in for a rude awakening, but you think they still have not figured it out? To listen to Donna Brazille now, she really thinks they don't need the working class as part of their coalition in order to win. And i know that's coming directly from the Obama campaign.

Sturg:

Sorry, I thought you were BO supporter. my mistake.
you know crs - senior..
Julie

god, Patsi, don't start a pie war. If you think things have been ugly here over politics, I fear you'd see a new standard for polarization - but it would be more like 10 camps than 2. (btw, nothing beats a pecan pie, with blackberri a close second). LOL

I heard Donna was more conciliatory on Tuesday. I think she got some big time scolding after her little performance after Indiana/North Carolina. But I believe Donna showed her true colors on the earlier night, not Tuesday. CNN allowing her to be a supposedly impartial commentator this primary season is a travesty (add Roland Martin to that opinion too.) Dean and Brazile have gotten the nominee they wanted...they may be smart enough to get him elected (and speaking of people who will do anything to get someone elected, Donna Brazile certainly fits in that mold. She has a lot of nerve talking about morals and ethics.)

I can't believe this got any press: Have we gone nuts. Who cares.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/14/obama-apologizes-for-calling-michigan-tv-reporter-sweetie/

jamie, I knew you knew that - note that I didn't include you in the address for my post. And Bloomie would be a good place to go for the funds needed to expand to 50 states, that being an expensive proposition. I think a lot of folks don't have a sense of how difficult it is to get on the ballot in more than a few small states, much less nationwide.

Jamie
I have Aol so it is not like everyone else's.I have refresh arrow but it will not refresh this page and my arrows are forward and back and they do not light up unless I have more than one page up.But if none of you mind,the one letter works ok.
Ruth

Pogo

Hee hee, a pie war... you had me with the first word of pecan - but make that with a little chocolate & bourbon like Dixie Pie...

Julie

John Edwards and NARAL have been added to the Crawfordslist-Klintoite "hate list."

Pogo,

You will need to keep reminding me of the danger
of the federal judiciary being further impacted if a dem
is not the president, and as you are aware, I know
the potential for an even more "conservative" judiciary,
but I continue to be deeply annoyed by the dem. party's
actions---& honestly do not know if I can support its
"presumptive" nominee.

As to Obama's claiming victory after the Oregon primary--that is an excellent example of the contempt he & his camp exhibit routinely.

His media contingent have also blurred the distinction
between amassing a majority of the pledged delegates
as a result of the primaries & actually achieving the
total number of all delegates (whatever that number
will ultimately be depending on FL & MI) needed to
win the nomination. They have alluded to the fact
that after Oregon his lead is insurmountable, therefore
its over.

....or sweet potato pie topped with home made whipped cream

Bush is in Israel comparing Obama to Neville Chamberland. Of course, the morons he's appealing to don't know who Neville Chamberland was.

(Clintonites: you can look him up on wikipedia.)

I love peanut butter pie
Ruth

OK friends. The tone is about to change so I am out of here! Have a great day!

Ally....
I think I've watched maybe an hours worth of CNN in the past 2 weeks..... and amazingly..... I heard Roland Martin say yesterday that the Democratic party needs to be united....

pie wars?!..... let me add to it..... my grandmother in New Brunswick Canada (long gone now).... used to bake an all strawberry pie just for me when I was a kid and we visited family there every summer for 2 weeks..... so I say.....
no rhubarb!..... just strawberries!.....

vad, sure, why not? He dodged the question - belittling the reporter with a dismissive address is a good way to distract attention from that fact. Note that he didn't answer her question in the e-mail either. Good reason - no answer.

NY Times
Bush’s Remarks in Israel Rile Obama

He {Bush} specifically cited Iran:

"Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along."

"We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: “Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.” We have an obligation to call this what it is – the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history."

I can't imagine a weaker individual than Obama to deal with Iran's A'Jax and to stem the very real and dire threats of nuclear proliferation in the region and to Israel,
Perhaps Obama the "inevitable debutante" girdled in whalebone in lieu of a spine will meet with A'Jax the diminutive despot and wistfully employ his vast experience in foreign policy. Our troubles will melt like lemon drops. Happy days, we have another Chamberlain to make merry and rejoice in.

toast

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/15/bushs-remarks-in-israel-rile-obama-camp/index.html?hp

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107272/Obama-McCain-Highly-Competitive-Independent-Vote.aspx

This Gallup is interesting about the "Independent Vote"

On the Pie War after my grandmother's beautiful tart Applie pie, then my "Pirate Pie"

Rum Custard
Bananas and Coconut
Whipped Cream

You waddle, but you waddle happy.

Bush probably doesn't know that his own grandfather (Prescott Bush) was partial owner of a German bank that was an early source of funding of the Nazi party.

"I'm a feminist, not a racist." (This is called rationalization.)

Dean and Brazile have gotten the nominee they wanted...they may be smart enough to get him elected (and speaking of people who will do anything to get someone elected, Donna Brazile certainly fits in that mold. She has a lot of nerve talking about morals and ethics.) Ally

And they actually think they're the "good guys". I still don't understand why the major cable stations allowed this misrepresentation of justice to go on for so long. Msnbc and to a slightly lesser extent Cnn. But CNN I thought I could trust. Then they give that big mouth, Jack Cafferty, a platform to destroy Hillary. But he makes it real fair by reading emails from real people. I can't understand why all those emails just happen to agree with Cafferty ALL the time.

Does anyone but me hate banks of flags behind politicians speaking?

Bunting in front of them - okay
Flags behind - phony jingoism

Renee: The calls by some for Unity are too little too late. I'm sorry but its true. The vitriolic and vacuous commentary has made it much more difficult for the party to unite in any real way. And I don't think they expect it to or feel that it is necessary, no matter what they say. The Obama campaign is based on a new coalition, not a broader coalition, as claimed. Just my opinion.

OK--Pie war In either order:

1. A real strawberry pie (no rhubarb) just real strawberries, which is very difficult to find. (I'm not a
baker).

2. Key lime pie w/whipped cream--there was a place
in Islamorada that had the best key lime, but they
sadly closed.