Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

All our prayers go out to the Kennedy family

I'm not too happy with Senator Kennedy these days, but I admire his championship of the underdogs in American society and the world. I wish him a speedy recovery!!!!

My best wishes to Ted. Iwoudln't wish malignant glioma on anyone.

Again my thoughts and prayers are with the Kennedy family.. this will be a trying time.

Word in Boston is that BO WILL offer the VP to Hillary..

We shall see....

My thoughts and prayers are with Senator Kennedy and his family. My son has had surgery twice in the last 6 years for a malignant brain tumor.I'm glad to hear he's in good spirits and that he has a close knit family. These 2 things will make the road ahead easier.

Anybody in the mood to predict what is going to happen tonight.

Hillary wins KY by the same amount as WVA.

Obama wins Oregon by 4 to 6%

I send my best wishes and posted to that on the last thread. I won't be redundant and have in the past alluded to the "Patrick deal" on another thread which seems now perhaps, Ted knew what was up.

Again sad. At least his life wasn't cut short by a bulllet.

Once again, best wishes for Ted and his family. For all the good ideas you tried to push forward, we salute you and hope that somehow you can recover from such a serious situation. .

Knowing Ted he would want us to not stop fighting for what we beleive in so let's go at it.

vad, that's probably a pretty good guess.

I know a kid who recently died from a similar brain tumor. He was 25 and from time of diagnosis to his passing was 6 weeks.

Am I the only person who thinks Republicans are disingenuous scumbags for offering faint praise for Kennedy while still using him as a fund raising punch line?

But as I say that, I still think it's odd that Kennedy has named Orrin Hatch as his best friend in the Senate...

So I have a question-a serious one - for the Obama supporters here, or anyone for that matter. Assuming Obama is the nominee, what statesdo you see him picking up in Nov..that Kerry didn't in '04? NM? CO? OH? IN? FL? And do you see any Kerry states moving to the Reps?

Take a look at this map and maybe it will answer your question.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May20.html

Although I am angry with Ted Kennedy I too wish him a speedy recovery

I was unable to download Foxfire as my warning system does not want me to because of unknowns with the site.So I hope you all won't mind if I keep posting my letters.Maybe I can configure a code to go with them.

Ruth

If you want to compare it to Hillary's side the link is:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May20.html

if you want to compare to Hillary's side, the link is: http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/May20.html

Ruth,
Bypass your warning system of firefox.com. It is completely safe. Many of us use it. Let me know if you need any help.

Maybe Obama will pick up the states that are going to Hillary down the road and he can flip the numbers. I am surprised that his numbers have not changed in the last few days based on what happened over the weekend at least with this poll.

The Kennedys have been part of my political awareness since I was 12 watching that remarkable 1956 convention on Black and White TV. Agree or disagree, they have been a model for what it means to be committed to public service. Ted Kennedy has dedicated his life to his family and his country.

My best wishes and prayers for him and his family.

Craig,

Who would be most likely to pick up the Kennedy mantle in the Senate? Is there anyone held in the same kind of respect even in disagreement?

If oregon is a mail in election how long will it take to get the results?

very, very sad news about Senator Kennedy....

I had CNN on while working..... a few minutes ago... they showed Senator Byrd's statement about TK on the senate floor..... he broke down into tears....
it was really heart breaking.....

I wish Senator Kennedy and his family well.....

Clint Eastwood feels 'sorry' for Clinton
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10481.html

vad, thanks. Looks like maybe IA, NM & CO, with MI, NH &WI going the other way - a 10 elector loss. I don't like it. But there are more "barely Rep" states than "barely DeM" that could be subject to picking off, and I do like that.

Pogo, left a judge response at the end of last thread.

In the last thread Rez wanted to know why McCain doesn't correct the impression Americans have that Ahmadinejad runs Iran. He seems to think that not correcting this misperception by Americans is some kind of inherent McCain fault. A. McCain did help clear the matter up by stating to the Press that the Mullahs call the shots and B. His not wanting to meet with Ahmadinejad is that without any pre-conditions or likely chance of benefit, meeting would give Ahmadinejad the very recognition he needs to support his weakening postion, both abroad and at home.

Now here is a question for Rez. AP reported today that a new international report claims that the lack of new sanctions and sufficient pressure to stop Iran's enrichment program is causing serious dangers to proliferation effects. 13 Middle East countries are pressing for their own programs. The report goes on to explain that if the West does not act soon to stop the direction Iran is going in, proliferation will become a serious danger we will not be able to reverse.

Rez, doesn't this drectly refute the claims of Obama that A. no new sanctions are needed ASAP, B. we can afford to wait until Obama talks to Ahmadinejad and determines whether military force is even an option and C. that we don't already know now with the NIE report, this new report, the evidence of new carbon P-2 centrifuges, the rejection of Russia by Iran, the continued rants by Iran that urgent efforts to sanction Iran (which the NIE calls for) is something a realistic US President should advocate?

And what could you possibly make of Susan Rice's comment last Thursday in light of the bashing Hillary has gotten from Obama on Iran? Rice said that Obama will tell Ahmadinejad directly that if he doesn't stop the support of terrorism and enrichment, we will use military force as a last resort.

Perhaps you think McCain ought to tell Rice and Obama that the Mullahs run Iran? Perhaps they want to negotiate to the wrong persons.

I was just thinking about how Bill Simmons wrote a book titled "Now I can die in peace" after the Red Sox won in 2004. I'm sure he is thinking that now but I wonder if he can make it to see a Dem get back into the White House.

I am also curious if Jimmy Carter has made any sort of public comments since the news. I know he was no Kennedy fan.

"and become a Kennedy like figure on the Hill. "

Given the number of "friends" who have endorsed Sen Obama, she might not want a Senate career though that is exactly what Ted Kennedy did after his failed presidential campaign. I think she would want a more international role to match Bill Clinton. That would require VP, Cabinet, or Ambassadorship of some sort.

Max

You are what you are
You are a net kook who is causing harm to people who are not even part of these issues
You don't prove any of your slander you've never made your connection.

You should be ashamed of what you do.
But , You have no shame

Yes , crud is an apt discription.

Jack

My bet is that for supporting Obama, she gets Reid to retire and gets majority lead in the Senate. Then she can both check Pelosi and establish the credientials to lead if Obama gets elected and fails. She can also be ready from that position should McCain win. Just my take, though someone more informed suggested this to me.

Frankly accpeting a positon related to Obama's winning in exchange for her passionate support might not be a wise move. That would require Obama winning.......

"there anyone held in the same kind of respect even in disagreement? -- Posted by: Jamie"

i know of no one, Jamie. that is how amazing his legislative skills really are.

i've got my issues with his handling of the '80 campaign, as many here know. but i so admire his skills in the Senate. i once was lucky enough to overhear him with Strom Thurmond, who was chair of Judiciary at the time. After a joint press conf about something or other, they walked down the hall together, Kennedy threw an arm around strom's shoulders and said, "C'mon, let's go trade some judges." And as it turned out, that's exactly what they did that day.

"You are a net kook who is causing harm to people who are not even part of these issues" what harm to what people? Sounds really kooky to me....

"You don't prove any of your slander you've never made your connection" Slander Jack? I alone here spout mere slander and make no connections between reocrd and history. And note Jack, I don't begin to say the cruel and nasty things about Obama or any of Obama supporters that is thrown my way or Hillary's way.

Did Woods Fund give money to an organization that supported the Viet Cong and has championed strong Left Wing views vilifying much of America's leadership in the world? Is that the slander you speak of? Or is it slander that Obama didn't really know much about Ayers and barely ever spoke to the man? And Jack, I am certainly not alone is bringing these things up. I think many people here are concerned about the gap between the image Obama tries to convey and his history. How that hurts people who are not even part of these issues is beyond me, perhaps to can explain.

Max, I just went and read your post. We have different concerns re: the judiary and judicial nominees and will just have to disagree on the judge and justice issue. Just as the founders didn't put gun ownership outside of militias into the constitution because as you argue it was so basic, they did not mention any right to privacy or self determination, both of which are pretty universally considered basic in this country, and which was established as part of our jurisprudence mainly because of the line of privacy cases that Roe stands squarely in the middle of, and which are considered textbook examples of judicial activism. And while abortion has been practiced since well before the inception of the United States, and could arguably be considered a right similar to other inherent, but unnumerated rights, I doubt that many jurists would take that position. I waffle on whether abortion should be a state's rights issue or a federal issue - but privacy as an individual right trumps states rights for me, so while I may disagree with the viability framework, I don't take issue with its basis in the right to privacy and really don't care what the founders believed about the soul/body dichotomy. I don't see privacy as something the states should determine the breadth of.

I understand well the breadth of the Commerce Clause's reach - but speculating about the balance the court would draw as betwen the CC and the RtP under the 4th & 14th amendments is the heighth of guessing until a case that challenges those relationships comes before the court. I coud envision the court restricting a state from preventing an out of state citizen of the US from obtaining an abortion in a state where the procedure is legaal (should Roe be overruled), but otherwise don't see much of a Commerce Clause issue in that context.

And I disagree about Alito and Roberts - they have been virtually lockstep with Thomas and Scalia on issues that pit the government in the war on terror against individuals. My concern is that a Wilkinson for example - from the 4th circuit - will replace a Stevens or Ginsburg when they step down and that the 1/3 of the appointments to the Circuit and District Courts currently products of Carter and Clinton will be filled with conservative leaning judges as they retire, and that the slow restriction of our rights will continue for a generation.

Craig,

I'm curious, having seen John Harwood make an appearance on Countdown last week, will you be on again any time soon or will you need to come out as a Lesbian to steal some of Rachel Maddow's time?

Yes Craig, and Kennedy has worked with many Republicans. Does anyone one know how many Bills he has helped to craft in his career. There is no doubt he put in many many hours.

P.S. Jack, sorry I asked you any more questions...save it for another time. I don't feel like arguing right now which is why I left my comment for you on the last thread -out of respect for Ted.

I will not take up your craziness now. My question for Rez was respectful and I didn't answer it before when he asked.

Max,

That was Joe Klein reporting on the continuing misstatements by McCain. He confuses the leaders of Iran and that Obama said he wanted to meet with Ahmadinejad.

This isn't the first time he's been confused about the geography and leaders in the ME.

Doesn't that bother you?

Take it up with JK regarding link

I'm reading up on the AP report you mention.

pogo...

Do you have any concerns about the impact of the Roberts Court on the relationship between big business and the general public? Seems to me they haven't missed a single opportunity to rule in favor of business over the people.

BTW Max, I forgot to include this. here is part of the transcript.:This is from 5/19 on CNN Situation Room

BLITZER: All right.

I want you to respond, but remember, when -- when Senator Obama made that suggestion at one of the debates, even Hillary Clinton said it was naive, not a good idea. Joe Biden disagreed. John Edwards did.

How does Senator Obama defend that decision to meet without preconditions with a leader like Ahmadinejad?

RICE: Well, first of all, he said he would meet with the appropriate Iranian leaders. He hasn't named who that leader will be. It may in fact be that, by the middle next of year, Ahmadinejad is long gone. There will be elections in Iran.

BLITZER: So, let's say there is a new leader.

(CROSSTALK)

RICE: But he said Iranian leaders.

. . .
RICE: Well, first of all, as I said, it will be the appropriate Iranian leadership at the appropriate time, not necessarily Ahmadinejad.

Actually, Pogo, you and I don't really stand so far apart. I agree with you about Privacy, though I am not sure how private our Founders thought things were. And of course they did not have AQ or WMD to contend with. One fact to back you up was that if a confidential letter was exposed to the Press, heads could role. Ask Franklin about that one. Today such a confidential letter is fair game, as are videos..

I think the originalist idea has lots of merit and though I would never have picked Roberts or Alito, I meant they were not unacceptable radicals anymore than Ginzberg was. I believe Warren can correct me, but originalist intent for the lawyerly means how particular words were used in past days and not what the Founders "had in mind".

My suggestion about Roe was to kick it back to the States where it was originally. My only problem would be the effect on those too poor to jump State. I think you could see how the CC would kick in,; only the preforming of an abortion would be illegal in THAT State which cstill ould not allow such a ban to prevent the right of an individual from obtaining it in another State. Since it involves heath and the life of the individual, the State banning abortion would have to provide transport to a State where such service was not banned. Well, that is a short answer, but better minds than mine have considered what returning the issue to the States would mean. I was however, asking you to look at the enrmous power of the Fed that has grown from Starry and the expansion of power under articles like the CC. This singular issue I suspect keeps the Libertarians towards the right.

hw, you bet. I'm operating on gut feeling and poor memory on that issue, but will do a little review of recent court decisions impacting that issue when I get a chance. I'll get back to it - maybe tomorrow.

Let's be clear: Iran has a very complex system of government with varying institutions, but at the top of it sits Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who essentially has only accountable to the Council of Guardians made up of clerics, many of whom are appointed by Khamenei. So, Ahmadinejad is not the leader. And as the Council on Foreign Relations explains, especially in the area of foreign policy, Ahmadinejad has very little influence.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20080520/cm_huffpost/102611

Sorry Rez, I though the interviewer asked McCain if he knew who ran Iran and he said the Mullahs. When asked why he doesn't inform Americans that Ahmadinejad doesn't run things and why it was bad then for Obama to meet with someone not holding the power. I think McCain only answered the latter so I suggested answers for the former. The Mullahs do run Iran. Ahamdinejad is their quasi-puppet.

I mean, didn't McCain's reason for not meeting make sense? A hmadinejad doesn't call the shots and would give his disgusting comments and political life and view points validity.

Sorry if I missed something, but I'm not sure I did. It is quite well know than Afghanis don't speak Arabic.
That gaffe was because Obama reflex is to tie everythin Iraq to all our problems, as opposed to times where the candidates are simply tired.

Rez, how about the part where Rice tells Biltzer what Obama would tell Ahmadinejad? And doesn't she first say military force is always on the table and later that only after talking to Ahmadinejad would Obama know if force was an option?

Max
This is in the spirit of Ted Kennedy
One thing I know for certain he does not tolerate silly bastards like you. So I don't think he minds that I call you what you are. For you and others like you are causing harm to people on the southside of Chicago and I believe that Senator Kennedy would gladly be ther champion . He might have a politer name for you than I do but I believe that if we look in a thesaurus they both would be listed side by side. You and others like you who try to attack Obama by slandering organisations like the Woods Fund and all of the little community groups on the south side of Chicago, You hurt people, You hurt a lot of little people that need help.
Do you think Senator Kennedy would approve?
Do you think he would let you use his time of trouble to keep from being held accountable for your words and actions?
Your sad Max.
Very sad

Jack

Well, Max, we don't disagree that much after all. I don't trust the states to determine whether the federally based right to privacy is broad enough in each to cover the relationship between a woman and her doctor. The crazyquilt results in any areaof the law that you find among the states tellsme that the states can't be entrusted to enforce basic individual rights acknowledged by the Constitution and Bill of Rights. There's a reason that so many criminal matters make it to the Supreme Court on writs.

The difference between the Judiciary Committee that existed under Clinton andthe one wehave now is simple- that one had a president who vetted his nominees with the committee leadership before sending them up. This one doesn't, and the JC doesn't have the brass to say no.

Gotta go -later.

HarborW...
your post reminded me of the last hour of the Diane Rehm Show this morning....

she had on a former congressman and founding trustee of the Heritage Foundation, Mickey Edwards..... he's written a book entitled "Reclaiming Conservatism"....

it was a fascinating hour and one of the things I remember Edwards espousing was that any Republican who would favor big business over individuals wasn't really a conservative.....

Warren, Iran is somewhat fragmented with competeing Mullahs. There are significant alliances and Ahmadinejad has more power than you suggest. Also Quds and the nuclear program fall a bit more into his power strings. There are aspects one Mullah but not another knows about. We see this in China at times, and there is as much if even greater islands of power amoung the 300 or so clerics that control the next level down. And there re things that happen below that are not fully understood at the higher levels, yes?

And of course the Mullah's green-lighted the Sha's coup. The generals were split.

pogo...Thanks! I'll look forward to your review and opinion.

Renee...I should try to catch the Diane Rehm Show sometime. You and others have mentioned it before, but I've never heard it. Where do I find it? (Today's Bush Conservatives never miss an opportunity to strengthen the fortunes of business over those of the people, IMO. It's one of my biggest concerns in this day of 'extreme deregulation'.)

Warren...Great to see you back! Where ya been?

Best wishes to the Kennedys as Senator Ted battles this cancer.

The gop is playing the tower of babel card..........

Yes best wishes to the Kennedys...and to all the other families who will receive that grim diagnosis this week.

HarborW...
the Diane Rehm Show is carried on various NPR stations..... if your local affiliate doesn't carry the show you can google her name and listen online...

on Friday mornings (aired live at 10am-12pm EST).... she does one hour of domestic news roundup followed by an hour of foreign news roundup..... they are the best 2 hours of news to be found anywhere, IMO....

Jack, I never "slandered" groups nor did I take issue with all the groups that Woods Fund supports. This was a discussion from months ago when Woods Fund first came up. I am sure there are groups I would gladly support that Woods Fund supports and I was born in Chicago so I hardly slander all of the South Side. I directed specific comments towards specific groups, specific connections and political activity. Some of that activity is now on trial. I talked about specific aspects of Cairns and of positions Khlidi has taken. I listed several groups that Woods Fund gave money to that are Far Left and not particularly "disadvatntaged", except perhaps ideologically. It is you who slander me by suggesting I "slander" ALL communities and groups on the South Side or that somehow taking issue with specific common causes Obama had with Avery at Woods Fund is a horrible horrible thing.

And Jack, I'm sure Ted has far more things to concern himself with than one commentor on one particular blog objecting to particular Left wing groups that Woods Fund supported when Ayers and Obama were both board members. Next you'll be telling me I have a lot of nerve objecting to the Church Oprah walked out on.

knowing teddy, he's going to go out working.......he's a kennedy....................

Fox will be having some of Kentucky's exit polls in a moment-they said.

Now this is gonna get ugly I think...

http://www.unconfirmedsources.com/index.php?itemid=3275

As they say Strug, party hard, work hard. Teddy did that.
I think many members could take a lesson from his effort and he didn't give up when he ran into trouble.

Hell, the guy stood up to a lot of physical pain and personal trauma. Regardless of the politics, which I have not enjoyed of late, he was a fighter and shares that quality with Clinton. THe peole of MAss seem to have agreed.

Rush needs to start taking his meds again. It is beyond me the GOP doesn't pull his plug.

I am serious. Rush will harm McCain far more than help. McCain's only play is to be his centrist self, and Rush will only remind people the House McCain comes from.

I would say something nastier, but what's the point?

Craig,

My quibbles with Sen. Kennedy are the same ones that I have with the far left of the party and that is simply like the far right they often forget human nature.

Anything you are willing to pay for, you will get more of.

What starts out sounding like a noble idea flounders on that central truth.

Still, TEd Kennedy for whatever failings you may perceive has done his duty. Over and over again he has demonstrated a dedication to both his public and private roles. I would like to think there would be another, but in today's adversarial climate, I'm not sure it is possible.

Fox
Hillary's base: True Believers
65% think she will still get the nomination.
They just don't get it, I guess.
She still is holding the working class.

Hey, dex!

Jon Lester may play for the Red Sox, but he's a Tacoma boy! Just had to tell you that!

Former South Dakota Senator George McGovern tells KSFY this news hit him right in the gut.

"I think he's one of the great Senators of all time."

McGovern adds while Kennedy is a hero to some and a villain to others, one story about Kennedy reveals why he and McGovern are friends.

"He refuses to fly in first class on commercial flights because he doesn't think anybody ought to be treated as second class."

McGovern adds he has always been impressed by Kennedy's record on civil rights, saying he championed equal access for all at time when it was very unpopular.

Bear

Rush Limbaugh has to be one of the most disgusting human beings every to pollute the airwaves. Even those who agree with him politically must feel the need of a bath to scrub off the slime.

Rush is a loose cannon. Smart skippers with a loose cannon on their hands, will do everything possible to stabilize the ship---or steer it over the side.

there's a great fictional account of an actual loose cannon on the deck of a sailing ship in one of Kenneth Robert's books......I'll try to find it.....He's the guy who wrote RABBLE IN ARMS

sturge,

Kenneth Roberts.

Way to go, way to go.

Max,
I couldn't find that discussion in the Rice interview. we're probably thinking about two diff. ones. anyway.

Jack,

btw thx for your comments. I know we don't always agree, but I trust your sincerity. I didn't realize the level of cynicism here. Sure are some jaded folks around. I'm especially impressed by those who know the motives and deliberations of these candidates better than the candidates themselves.

Sturg, if you've never read them CS Forrester's series of books about a boy who sails out as a midshipman and finally ends up an admiral and lord are absolutely fascinating for the detail they provide of life in the Royal Navy during the Napoleonic War.

Do a search on the hero, Horatio Hornblower.

As new works would emerge, they would be serialized in the Saturday Evening Post. Great stuff!

Okay, I was raised in a family that worshipped Kennedys just like a lot of other people here probably were. And I'm very sad to see this diagnosis for someone who has been a terrific legislator and torchbearer for the Democratic Party over my entire lifetime. Robert Byrd's tears on the Senate floor today were truly moving.

But it's already started: I've seen "the Kennedy curse?" headlines on a couple of websites, and I'm sure it's being given that treatment on cable as well. And we have to trot out all the old "Camelot" crap all over again. The man is 76 years old, for crying out loud. If this kills him, he will have lived a full and meaningful life. This is not another "Kennedy-style tragedy." As Flatus said, this is the type of reality that tens, hundreds of thousands of families deal with every year. It's called "life." As others have pointed out, brain tumors like this kill people in their teens and twenties as well. Now, THAT is tragedy.

But what this is the moronic media we have serving us, folks. It absolutely cannot function until it has shrinkwrapped and logo-labeled every single news event into some sort of archetypical story that it thinks the public needs in order to comprehend what's going on.

John Kennedy was a great politician and a potentially great president who never got to prove himself. Robert Kennedy, sadder still. Ted Kennedy, as Craig points out, was an amazing legislator who probably accomplished more in a practical sense than either of his two brothers combined.

Their father was a social-climbing criminal and Nazi sympathizer who pushed his handsome sons and locked his retarded daughter away. The heirs have a few stars among them, but also lots of dissipated losers and hangers on.

"Camelot" was bullshit. A big lie. Why do we have to keep doing this dance?

What else? Am I missing something?

Anyone who doesn't think that the phones within the Senate side of our government have not been red hot since he became ill, is delusional. New relationships will be established by the end of this week, with or without Ted's blessing.

Rez, just one point. For months Obama has been under attack for "talking to Ahmadinejad". You and I know the Iranian loonie has been named directly, over and over. Even Hillary brought it up. Now after several months is Obama claiming he never said he would talk to Ahmadinejad really credible? He could have said this long ago and stated the position he states today. Is this flip-flopping due to polling data? Is he now suggesting he will start with low level talks (we have) and then work his way up to the Mullah he thinks holds the most power? Will after doing all this he know where Iran stands and whether the US should resume the push for sanctions? It does seem a bit strange, doesn't it and forbodes a long period of time for Iran to string us out. I wonder if Obama is digging a deeper hole as I suggested he might as he tries to pivot center. These are the first "clarifications" and they do sound a bit strange in light of mixed signals on preconditions and who constitutes "leaders". I understand your point better now about your earlier link. I hope you post he full transcrpit of Rice's comments. I think some on the Left will be upset and many on the Right point to a rather funny pivot to center after what was hurlded at Hillary.

Obama said he would speak to Castro without preconditions, yet during a debate mentioned he would have some preconditions.

So would it be slander to say Obama is changing his tune? Apparently Rice did that too last week. It is gettng rather confusing at the very moment you would think the message would be getting clearer.

Just wondering.

I should have noted in that Rush link that it was satire, but not far from what he would actually do however.

Today continues as a busy campaigning day. We started with big Hillary signs during rush hour and then lots of phone calls. Lots of volunteers and a large number of people coming in to help for the first time today.

I came home to watch the first Kentucky returns and then back to make calls.

Current miniscule Kentucky returns

Hillary 580
Obama 79

84 to 11%. I would love it if that held up,but ofcourse, it won't..

61-33

Lardo,

Haven't you heard, reality can't get commercial sponsors.

Max,

Here is the link to the most recent CNN interview. I'm sure there are others. To be honest I don't recall if he has mentioned the fool by name before and this is a means to switch gears. My guess is that, if so, it won't be long before noquarter, et al refutes it. we'll see.

BTW, McCain is getting called on his flip-flopping on all issues more and more as the light is turned his way.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0805/19/sitroom.03.html

Hey Bear

A real conservatives reaction

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODJmODkyY2RmN2Q2ZjA1YzQyZDIyYjM4MDc3N2ViZGU=

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

Jamie...I like your plan: All BBC, all the time.

Lardo

If only for Dr. Who and Torchwood : )

Who needs reality when fantasy looks that good.

Jamie...your blog treatment of this story is straight-up and respectful....and most of all REAL. Very good.

Sending good thoughts and support to Ted Kennedy and all the other people and families out there in midst of the battle.

peace~

Lard, perhaps some are really thinking about all three brothers and also about history. There are few moments anymore where we get linked to the past and the stream of time. Perhaps the jolt shapes some new perspective. It made me think of RFK and what Liberalism came forth from JFK.

I guess it is not so much about mortality and great epersonal affection but the precarious branch of Liberalism and the health of the tree is springs from. Despite what the Press does, this evokes for me a connectedness to a different time where Liberalism meant different thiings and rallied for different means. These thoughts just happened; a strange unintended consequence of what time taking hold of Ted, of what will befall us all.

jamie,

Exemplary recounting.

Oregon Democrat,

Thank you.

Thank all your friends and colleagues.

All I did was vote.

All you did will have an outcome that is greater than even a winning total.

Thank you Lardo

One of my favorite books is "84 Charing Cross Road". The principal character says that she likes "I Was There" books. Real life is so damned fascinating.

Hey

Bring back the Geo
One of my favorite cars
Tough, economical

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/05/20/geo.metro/index.html

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

Jamie,

My favorite I was there book?

Goya's The Disasters of War.

"This I saw."

"This I saw, too."

Not sure why, but my favorite Francisco Goya painting

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Francisco_Goya_-_Casa_de_locos.jpg/800px-Francisco_Goya_-_Casa_de_locos.jpg

Here is a video tour of the word's great cities and what they look like at night, from the International Space Station. Full color -- 60Meter resolution. Pretty cool stuff. The images are billed as the product of "culture, geography and technology." The music alone is worth it.

So if anyone out there is getting stoned later tonight, tuck it away for viewing then. It's about 10 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEiy4zepuVE

I got this off YouTube, but it was posted on Gawker today.

My step-niece is waging a similar battle as Senator Kennedy. Things looked bleak last year at this time but she is now doing much better now. We continue to have hope that she will be okay. We're keeping our fingers crossed.

Going to the lower level now ... tornadoes in the area. I think we will be okay, though.

Kentucky voters say - Obama voter 71% would vote for Senator Clinton.

Only 33% of Senator Clintons supporters would vote for Obama.

CNN projecting over a 30% win spread. Rural areas 75% for Senator CLinton 19% for Obama.. He pulls it in more in 2 larger cities where AA voters are..
54% say Obama thinks like Rev Wright - 44% not.
Julie

CNN panel is pretty good despite Donna Brazille being an "uncommitted committed". She's a good lady, just come out and declare and stop the phony stuff then she could be balanced with another Hillary person.

Lard, your ARE funny, thanks for the slap.

as will SC

and NC.

etc

Fox sure thinks Hillary will be veep if she wants it,
with that slew of votes and delegates she has. That sounds like it could make a winning ticket.

And the point of the numbers in Kentucky is not whether or not the Dems will carry Kentucky, but it's about the huge numbers she's carrying the working class, women, youth and college grads. He is not carrying the working class and it gradually is getting worse.

All but two counties in Kentucky will be won by Sen. Clinton. She will win all the other counties by 75% or more. He will still get 1/3 or more of the delegates.

However this year turns out. The party needs to fix this mess for four years from now.

Fox sure thinks Hillary will be veep if she wants it,
with that slew of votes and delegates she has. That sounds like it could make a winning ticket.

Posted by: Meg Author Profile Page | May 20, 2008 7:56 PM

Since Fox wants McCain to win, it sounds to me that they want her on the ticket so that the RNC has the best double swiftboating opportunity.

Since Fox wants McCain to win, it sounds to me that they want her on the ticket so that the RNC has the best double swiftboating opportunity. Posted by: frank

Don't agree.

Thanks Jamie. Same to you.

"To add a political twist to this,my son was 2 days shy of his health insurance kicking in when he had his first seizure and diagnosis. It was a new job. It was and still is a nightmare.
Leslie"

Oh, my God -- Lese.....that makes it a tragedy on an even bigger scale if that's possible. This country is letting its citizens die.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/north_carolina.html

Clinton does better in NC against McCain

Oregon Democrat

I applaud you for all your efforts and time you have given to Senator Clinton campaign. Your determination at the sign holding and meeting people surely has brought about some voters for her that might not have been but for your effort. However Oregon turns out, know you helped..
Thank You

Julie

I second Julie's tribute to OD. Has there been anyone on this site for the past several months who has done more ACTUAL WORK in support of their candidate? I'm talking measurable foot-pounds of labor, not psychic investment or clicking "submit" on the campaign contribution website, or whatever.

Oregon Democrat wins on that score, no matter how things turn out.

Lardo

"I'm strictly a "punch-card" man."

I probably shouldn't ask about the "hanging chad" : )

Jamie..after you've had a bunch of South Florida condo commandos spend hours gazing at your unmentionables, you definitely know what hell is!

from Senator Clinton's Kentucky speech

"Tonight we've achieved an important victory. Some of have said the campaign is over, your vote doesn't count. That didn't stop you. You've never given up on me because you know I'll never give up on you.

This is one of the closest races in modern history. We're winning the popular vote and I'm more determined than ever to keep going."

The promised flood of Obama SD turned into a tiny day by day trickle. Maybe Senator Clinton should read the story of the tortoise and the hare to Senator Obama

"especially red states with a large black population"

Hey
Now I get it.
Obamamath= Rovianmath

Juice up the wing nut base
Feed them large chunks of red meat
get a high turnout

trust the center to be so confused they will vote for you anyway

Hey

Thats Karl Rove
100%

Meet the new boss
He's the same as the old boss

4 more years of pandering to the wing nuts

No thanks!

That is why McCain is the only option
He owes his wing nuts nothing
He can work with the center
He can and will reach across
To Democrats

Maybe, we can clean up some of this mess

Obama man is owned by his wingnuts
He will be busy passing out favors like a Chicago alderman

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

And it begins. Chris Matthews tonight and previously. Keith Olbermann and Dana Milbank did it before. Puerto Rico is a big joke to them. The DNC said they have a say in the process of deciding who our nominee will be. But count their votes? Not to the bigots at NBC.

The ugly racism and bigotry of NBC now joins the previously ugly sexism and misogyny. Here it comes.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/20/194848/442
NBC has no decency. None.

Any other bad actors in the Media tonight? Let us know.

Here is Andrea Mitchell's dumb statement of the night. Obama can't pick Hillary because it messes up his change message soooo he CAN pick SENATOR Evan Bayh or Governor Ed Rendell. How stupid can you get?

Chris Matthews LIES again, claiming Obama won the young voters in Kentucky. He is simply LYING. Clinton won the 17-29 group by 20 points. And now the education lie from NBC. Clinton won the college educated by 60-34. The Obama News Network marches on.

"South Florida condo commandos spend hours gazing at your unmentionables,"

Electoral dysfunction

http://images.politico.com/global/florida-county-map.gif

Thanks Nick. I appreciate what you said. And no matter how I vote, I'm sticking with this blog.

Obama's band at the Des Moines rally is playing "Sexual Healing" to warm up the crowd. WTF?

Curious. No Gallup daily today.

that archuleta kid sings like an old pro.......

"he's getting more cascades of blood tattooed running down his legs. "

I thought it was a tat of the thrill that ran up his leg

Wednesday, May 21 Survey usa
Race Poll Results Spread
North Carolina: McCain vs. Clinton McCain 43, Clinton 49 Clinton +6.0
North Carolina: McCain vs. Obama McCain 51, Obama 43 McCain +8.0

GAKaren...

I assume from your screen name that you're from Georgia. I have a sister who lives there, and her town was in the path of a tornado a week or so ago. They were very fortunate...lots of downed trees, one barn flattened, but the house and family are fine.

Hope you and your family will have even better fortune!

Curious. No Gallup daily today.'

Jamie, here's th gallup daily
http://www.gallup.com/poll/107419/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Maintains-Large-Lead-Over-Clinton.aspx

Looks like Hillary will pick up over 225,000 votes over BO in Kentucky tonite.

obama taking SC is fantasy land,.....just pure wishful fantasy......

Anyone who thinks Obama is carrying Georgia and North or South Carolina is on crack

hamilton jordan dead

They only expected Hillary to have a 30 point lead in Kentucky. But now it's up to 36 pts.
Not bad for someone who's out of the race, huh?

Oh no one does crack anymore, get with the century.

why? I like the one I'm in.

Kentucky + 233,000 and gaining

just like wva we just have to throw them away

Hey
great McCain interview

In
ESSENCE

Love this quote

"But what it does mean, what I’ve committed to, is assuring and promising all Americans whether they vote for me or not, I am going to be their president. Americans are sick and tired of partisanship and divisions along party lines that cause gridlock and frustration and lack of addressing the issues that confront America"
John McCain

http://www.essence.com/essence/lifestyle/voices/0,16109,1807698-1,00.html

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

"no on does crack any more."

My bad I should have recognized the signs:

"Several signs of meth addiction include feelings of agitation and feeling wired. Addict’s behavior becomes unpredictable from moment to moment. They may start doing the same thing over and over."

Anyone who thinks George, North or South Carolina is going for Obama is on meth.

Interesting that Nadar has not said a word lately

Ooops...I meant to say: "...no matter how much you dream about him at night while you're playing with your antiquated lever."

(In case you didn't know, the Al Smith-era lever-machines you use in New York are a generation older and stupider than punchcards, which are a generation older and stupider than optical scans, which are a generation older and stupider than electronic with paper-trail...)

Now that it's close to the Oregon results the media will change their tune to Obama. It was nice for awhile to have some good news about Hillary but that's it for the night.

Nick, I won't leave you and Burrito, Lard, Flatus, Jamie, Pats, Blonde, Wendy and others hanging. You're all going to have to tolerate me echoing Pugnacious who has got it right.

Split the ticket and vote for McCain if something doesn't knock Obama out before Denver.

And without me sparing with the Obamniacs, who will sharpen their swords.

Well Lard, well said, but then that lever kinds takes the air out of your bite, doesn't it?

No I won't be disgusted, but then man will I be on your case if your worst nightmares come true and to will be StupidLardassLiberal. Yeah?

do other people feel that when Dodd talks he's always appears mad at something.

No, just that he is an asshole.

even split, now who does that favor.

No way he would say that if Obama was behind. What a joke.

As I said, asshole

Hey
I love it

John McCain the populist

Be scared
Obama folks
Be very scared

"Look, there is a woman I know who works in maintenance. She drives 40 or 50 miles to work, and she drives an older car. The rich people live in Georgetown; they can walk to work. Gas taxes are regressive on lower-income people. Why not give them a little relief? Some economists were saying, “Oh no, this is the end of Western civilization!” But my thinking was, Maybe they can buy some school supplies for their children. "

http://www.essence.com/essence/lifestyle/voices/0,16109,1807698-2,00.html

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

Donna why don't you say you endorse Obama and get it over with.

Now they have over 1hr and 20 or so minutes telling us this is over

Jamel needs to watch how to talk from Paul. He's such a rookie.

Max...I guess my Eureka moment was this. Thinking...

Yes, Obama might well be another "Jimmy Carter"
Another "Walter Mondale"
Another "Michael Dukakis"
Another "Al Gore"
Another "John Kerry"

But I voted for all of them...so why not go ahead and vote for Obama?

Please...I know all the arguments you can make against this, but let's save them for another day. I don't want to make you wear your fingers out here, buddy. :)

Paul is great!

To bad Carville is not there with him

anybody watching Hannity and crew what are they saying.

A well-written article by Arianna Huffington:

"Hillary Clinton's Defeat: A Historic Triump"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/hillary-clintons-defeat-a_b_102418.html

Hey

Democrats

Here is your 48 star flag

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:US_flag_48_stars.svg

Enjoy

44 easy ones

226 to go

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

Lard, I'll still like you and only your conscience has any clout.

I voted Jimmy Cater
Jimmy Carter (I feared Reagan too much)
Didn't vote
Wouldn't vote
Al Gore
Jon Kerry

But then the Repugs never got so desperate they nominated a McCain...LOL

Maybe you'll have another Eureka moment

I was so excited to turn on CNN about 8:20 and see the great news! Thank you God! and thank you KY!! Then I surfed the other news channels --ugh! MSNBC, the funeral parlor, with Andrea Mitchell trotted out to keep anyone from being excited about Hillary's overwhelming 2nd win in a week. Chris Matthews and Keith Olberman as the background noise, still determined to keep Hillary looking like the loser. I think we have no choice, now, but to start organizing a MILLION WOMAN MARCH on Washington in front of Nancy Pelosi's office or the DNC office, to show our support and strength for Hillary. There have been threats for months that if this thing is somehow "taken away, stolen" etc, from BO that African Americans will riot in the streets. I think we need to show a non-violent version of the same. We cannot let this nomination be stolen from Hillary either. This is shades of the 2000 election where all the votes were not counted, Al Gore won the popular vote, but the Supreme Court, paded with republican judges, ruled Bush the president. Can't take another one of those. FranSC

Like I said for days that the super could end this in the next few minutes if they wanted to. But why are they holding back. Donna B what are you waiting for.

Well-written and Huffington is an oxymoron

Please, don't waste your time

Oh a 35% win must mean something. 40% last week. Nah those voters are crazy.

they want to avoid the impression that hillary is being forced out of the race because hillary cant be forced out of the race........

To the convention..........

how much of old kaintuck is actually "appalachia" ?

Kennedy has been made fun of as he's gotten old. Gawd, he is 76, after all. There are things in his past that I do not like.

But It's hard to imagine him not around. It's like the end of an era. Regardless of his background, he did right by us little folks.

tt

For the Women

It's in larger print for those over a certain age.

http://patterns2.blogspot.com/

tt

"She's entitled to run out the full primary calendar."

Guess what's going to happen after all the voting has ended - not going to be pleasant for Obama and his supporters! That will be the best time to do IT. Makes sense to wait because of the turmoil that will created within the Dem Party.

will BE created

What are you Clinton people thinking? I see this "they're counting us out" all over this board. Well, the fact is, she is out. After tonight there are not enough delegates left. Even if she won 100% of the pledged delegates after tonight, she'd still need nearly every single uncommitted super delegate to catch up with Obama. This is what is frustrating. If the situation were reversed, Obama would have been pressured out of the race ages ago. Why? Because it's mathematically impossible to catch up.

In all honesty, this race has been over since March, after Obama's super run of states in February. What's most frustrating is that the Clinton campaign is deliberately appealing to the ignorant faction of the party - those people who actually believe she's got a shot. Her campaign isn't solely to blame, though, the media also keeps her alive, given her high-profile status.

Remember too that Clinton's own people thought the race would be over in February. The notion that Clinton actually has an investment in letting all the voters "speak" is nonsense.

She only stays in now to cause trouble for the democrats. This last minute, gender card argument is pathetic. Rather than fessing up to her own largely negative, race-bating, fear-inducing, unethical campaigning, which ultimately lost her the nomination, she's got to suddenly blame sexism. Yeah. Right.

Anyway, I hope you Clinton supporters aren't all dupes. At what point will you be willing to look at the math (not the magical math numbers Clinton will no doubt throw out tonight) and admit that she's lost and that she needs to drop out?

This isn't about principles for her, it's about power.

Why didn't Obama wait until the polls close in Oregon to give his speech. Kind of anti climatic for Oregon .

I think the million woman march is a great idea. That is definitely something that would make me feel better about things. No matter the outcome!

To the flag burning discussion on the previous thread here's a little something to think about. The flag represents our country, its values and its principles.

So how does GWB feel about the flag? See the two links below which one shows the fearless leader The Decider autographing an America Flag making it a collectible souvenir by desecrating it.

http://www.moxiegrrrl.com/2006/06/did-bush-deface-american-flag.html

And this one about the Flag Code.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4703359

Yes the Republicans really love America don't they?

Politics of Utopia, that about says it. I thank you for your comments. It makes my decison so much easier.

Hey give Donna a call. She'll love it.

TB
How about this for your theme song

Twisted Sister - We're not gonna take it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyu7nN3kBnw

Jack

The con man's marks are going to have a rough summer!

Thank you Anon.

Now the point you make still over looks that Obama and Hillary both supported the no flag burning Bill. Personally I would make acception for "artistic purposes" because of the Freedom of Speech concept. I personally do not like people signing the Flag (real ones, that is) unless of course they are soldiers and the purpose is to remember some heroic battle.

So I agree that signing a real flag liek Bush did is a bit cheap. I woulldn't say all Republicans do this or that Democrats have never done this. Buut the point you make about the Republican "sanctity" of the flag is noted.

Many on the Left however, do think there is anything sacred about the flag and I wonder what you think about that.

sounds good to me Jack! BTW did you have your weekend in Ark?

Here Jack
You Never Even Called Me By My Name! Sweetie!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEo8poVlQrM

TB
No It was raining both days
We did get down to Ozark and saw my niece graduate. the 9th had a nice walk through a state park just south of Ozark Saturday morning then out to my sisters for the graduation party. before we got there it started to rain.

My wife did manage to find 8 ticks in our short walk.
I know because she has been reminding me for the last 2 weeks. lol I only got 1 , too old too tough.

Can you believe some of the numbers coming out of Kentucky. There are counties where Obama couldn't even break 10%.
The counties in your part of Missouri are similar to much of rural Kentucky. In Southern Missouri Obama did 25-30%.
You can't tell me you Ozark hillbillies are that much more enlightened;-)

Obama has really went down hill since Feb.
I suspect Clinton would take Missouri now by at least 10 points.

Jack

Rez
LOL
I think this is the David Allen Coe song they are singing tonight, at least in Kentucky

If that ain't country
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBqZs7oGPZQ

Jack

There is no doubt in my mind about that either Jack. He might have done 25-30% earlier, but I doubt he would do that down here now. I hear lots of grumbling about him now. The Wright thing didn't play so well down here in the Hilly buckle of the Bible Belt. You get into a conversation about politics and it is just a matter of time before someone starts yelling about the GD America thing.

These are some stubborn people down here too. Changing their minds I fear will be impossible. Especially since it normally would be conservative republican. I really thought that this area would be dem's this year. (There is a large negative repub. reaction to Bush here.) But I just don't see it now that Hillary is out. I May be wrong but it would take alot of work to keep them from voting for McCain.

I think both Obama and Hillary were wrong on the no flag burning bill.

I consider it a political free speech action just like I believe the hanging of the flag upside down as a sign of a country in distress is.

Since you believe that we should not only have a confrontation with Iran, but also Russia and China leads me to believe that your into the end times crap where Jesus returns when a great war breaks out and sets His Throne up in Israel.

At that time all non believers or in other words those whose religion is different and don't believe that Jesus is the Son of God will burn in Hell if they don't accept Jesus as their Saviour.

Just like those of the Jewish religion who will not accept Jesus will burn in Hell as well. You seem to ascribe to the same beliefs of Hagee and Parsley so it is no wonder why you want to see a global war to bring on the end times.

It doesn't matter to you that innocent women and children are being killed in Iraq or even if we kill innocent women and children in your pursuit of being Raptured in Iran, just so the religious right can pursue the end of the world as we now know it.

Like Ann Coulter says only perfected Jews will be saved from the fires of Hell. So in reality those Jews who support the Second Coming of Jesus as preached by the likes of Hagee and Parsley are putting another God before them and are turning there backs on the covenant between God and Abraham in the Old Testament.

And that is how I see you by your continuing effort to push for another war.

Least we also forget that most American Flags are now made in China because it's so American to let China pay low wages to its workers to make our American Flags.

That's it for me tonight. Good night.

Jack,
Great lyrics in all his tunes. But it's too close to home being from Okie land and all those redneks I don't miss. LOL

good

Quite a night. While I wish the states had been reversed, I am very pleased that Senator Clinton will get about 100,000 more votes than Senator Obama in today's primaries.

Congratulations to Senator Obama for his Oregon victory and to Senator Clinton for her Kentucky victory.

Watch out for Larry!

This race is now over.

I think Obama should offer her his support on health care. That would give her a second chance to get it right, and would make her a hero to those who've been waiting for universal health care since FDR.

"Chaos at the Convention" Good!!!

Here's news:

Obama does not have enough delegates to win the nomination.
It seems some folks don't realize this.

Obama must rely on Super delegates to secure victory, just like
Hillary.

So, back off, Obama-zillas. It isn't over, yet.

That is correct. But with the pledged delegate lead, it will be hard for the Democratic party to come to the African American voter and say that they're denying the African American candidate. If they do, they will lose. You think a "split ticket" strategy is threatening. Try winning any major state with an African American population above 10 percent and have blacks not show up. You might as well not even nominate a candidate.

That's her passion and I think she's learned her lesson from last time. No secret meetings. Be open to other ideas. No 15,000 page docs on the subject. Make it easy to understand. Again, it's not a project to be pooh-poohed.

I don't see her gaining power in the Senate because it's obvious that enough Senators were against her. VP would include Bill and that would be a bridge too far for Barack. Who wants to have palace intrigue in your administration. I see nothing else.

"Barack Obama is quietly planning to take over the Democratic National Committee..."

That's good - just imagine how much trouble Hillary can create for Obama. She owes the DNC nothing - time to put country ahead of party.

NEW THREAD

Why I'm a Democrat and I Can't Vote for Obama

The DNC and Obama-zillas think it's okay to kick women to the curb: in the words of the first woman VP candidate, Geraldine Ferraro, and a strong Democrat: "Obama ran a sexist campaign. Clinton, with the blessing of Camp Obama, was slammed by the major news outlets using misogamy as their weapon."

A few of the numbers anti-woman quotes aired by the media:

"Hillary's like everyone's first wife"
"like Glenn Close in "Fatal Attraction"
"stock up on Hillary nut crackers"
"Hillary is only where she is because Bill cheated on her"
"she's a bitch"
"someone get her out of the pant suits"
"listen to her cackle"
"she's like a scolding mother"
"white women are a problem, you know, we all live with that"
"every guy has had a girl friend like her--she just won't go away"
"she's likable enough" Senator B. Obama

If even one of these kinds of remarks was made by a pundit against
Obama, there would have been outrage--lawsuits would have been filed,
riots would have erupted in the streets, congressional panels would
have been formed.

Yet, the DNC and the rest of the humanitarian-far-left-equality-for-all Obama
Camp thought all these sexist attacks and many more were okay.

These are some of the reasons Obama lost my vote and has lost the vote
of millions of other women across this country.

If the Dem Party thinks that they can win without us, they're taking a
major gamble. Their arrogant confidence that they can win without
white women 40 and over and the working class vote will probably lose
them the election.

For AnonParanoid, but he won't like it:

http://www.slate.com/id/2191698/

"And despite whatever you Clintonista think of us Liberals we are both the elbow grease and banker of the Democratic Party. "

The fourth and fifth biggest lies.