Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Ha! First...and I'm on the West Coast!

Wao, I read your commentaries with consternation. This is the deifinition of bias if you dont know one.

Why not "blame the messenger and the nessages he conveys"

I have said it once
I will say it again.......

THANK YOU MAGGIE WILLIAMS!!!!!!!!!

Craig
If Hillary doesn't pull the nomination out...books will be written...maybe even by you...why it took her campaign so long to connect with the voters...or was Obama's weakness exposed too late?
~Gidget

Jason -- Glad you sent a hat tip to Maggie. She should be a POWER player in Dem politics from now on. What a cool, smart woman.

If barrack fails to get the nomination, his book wil be: "Tha audacity to hope after a mere stumble"

Only one quibble, Craig. I still don't think Hillary ever said the US "would" obliterate Iran. Her point was that before nuking Israel, Iran should remember the nuclear capabilities of Israel's allies.

Matt Taibbi coming up on Imus.......new book about the war and religion..........

I agree with Patsi :

CLINTON: Well, the question was, if Iran were to launch a nuclear attack on Israel, what would our response be? And I want the Iranians to know that if I am president, we will attack Iran. And I want them to understand that. Because it does mean that they have to look very carefully at their society. Because whatever stage of development they might be in their nuclear weapons program, in the next 10 years during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them. That's a terrible thing to say, but those people who run Iran need to understand that. Because that, perhaps, will deter them from doing something that would be reckless, foolish, and tragic

Yes Patsi....it has to be said....

Hillary made a dramatic turn when Maggie came on.
We all know who Maggie is...She made Hillary explore herself.....
I think if HRC gets this nom, it is beacuse the humanzing effort put in by Maggie made it possible.
Hillary was driven by pollsters en marketing experts. She was a machine, ready to operate at any expense
The past months we have seen her enjoy it and operate like a human, really letting her colours shine through.... HRC is good. Everyone knows it!

Sorry if I offended anyone with these comments

Jason
How can you offend with the truth...Maggie changed the campaign literally over night...amazing woman...I hope she gets a prime spot in the Clinton administration.
~Gidget

Who is Barack Obama? We don't really know. We can't. Oh, we know who he says he is and who he'd like for us to think he is. Should he be judged by what he says or is what he does and with whom he associates a truer indicator? What if earlier primary/caucus voters knew then what we know now? While such imagining is purely hypothetical for current delegate and popular vote totals, it certainly can be part of the fabric of the Hillary story-line to committed and un-committed super-delegates. It certainly colors general election projections.

Who is Barack Obama? Do we really know?
1.) A newly elected U.S. Senator;
2.) Previously a Illinois State Senator representing a Chicago-Hyde Park district home to Trinity Church and its congregation, the Nation of Islam, Ayers, etc., a militantly anti-American philosophy;
3.) A State Senator who made a no-risk anti-Iraq War statement when he did not have a vote -- although he probably would have voted present if he had been in the real Senate -- whose constituency was not directly affected by 9-1-1 and was known for its anti-war philosophy -- God Damn America -- which undoubtedly included the Afghanistan action. By the way, do we know what Barack's opinion was on Afghanistan back then? If he was, it puts a different though consistent light on his Iraq Judgment.
4.) Superior Judgment? He has ridden the wave of anti-war sentiment within the Party and particularly with the younger, better educated, higher income earners based on his superior judgment on Going to Iraq. What does the 20-yr Rev Wright relationship, Trinity Church association, etc. say about his judgment?

As a loyal Black Democrat, I will vote for our nominee in general election. With that said, I agree with Hillary that Barack can't win. Of all of the traditionally recognized constituencies -- White Male, Females, Blacks, Hispanics, Catholics, Jews, etc. -- he consistently loses all but one. Oh, he and his campaign can slice and dice these historical constituencies by income, education and age to find groups within them that he wins but he loses the overall constituencies with one exception. He even loses Independents in a general election match-up with McCain.

Note: I personally don't buy the "Independent" tag any more than I do the "Undecided" tag. The Independent group has the same composition of constituencies as the general voting population -- perhaps with a higher overall propensity to actually vote -- while Undecideds just crave the attention or privacy by not saying who they favor.

taibbi's book.........THE GREAT DERANGEMENT

You know , I thought I had a bad night at work and then I read last night's posts. Today's word or phrase is "And???" Try using that today in responses to posts. It'll be fun.

why shouldn't senator clinton have some fun? after all, the MSM has written her off for months now, so what does she have to lose? might as well put it out there. i don't think the nominee will be decided today, i really don't.

a terrifying true story of war politics and religion at the twilight of the american empire.......

And???

Jason

You wondered where to locate the Obama spread
sheet memo--talk left provides it in xcel & pdf format

http://www.talkleft.com/docs/obamacampaignexcel.pdf

corey......I see your "and" and raise you a "yeah, but..."

I fold , Sturge. LOL!

I fold , Sturge. LOL!

good morning gang....

wow..... whole lotta shakin' goin' on last night.....

everyone is entitled to their opinions..... I'm in the camp that thinks this blog was poorer for Patsi's recent absence....

Dex..... it's always a pleasure to read your posts.... yup.... I do think this administration cares more for the Saudis than they do the average American.....

Corey.... Sturg...
I see your "and" and your "yeah, but...." and raise you a "soooooo".....

i think Hillary has gotten comfortable out on the campaign trail..wouldn't be surprised to see her in blue jeans and tennis shoes....looking for a win today...Hillary 08

I’m gonna ATM, again, and endorphins. If the media had started doing their jobs earlier, Hil’ry would already be the nom. If there were Mulligans in politics, many people would vote differently.

If young voters were capable of suppressing the feel-good factor to ask questions, expect detailed answers and consider what both candidates have to offer and which one would be more viable in the general, Hil’ry would be the nom.

If the effete literati didn’t have their heads so far up somewhere, they might forego form for substance.

Aaaw, if wishes were horses the beggars would ride & we have to deal with things the way they are now. Hil’ry does seem to have momentum & we will see if Bubba did her any good this time around.

Based on this IND for Hillary and a big win for Obama in NC

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashnc.htm

Has anybody read this NY Times article written back on April 30, 2007

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/30/us/politics/30obama.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&sq=rev%20wright&st=nyt&scp=1&oref=slogin

Also the pictute of William Ayers standing on an American Flag back in 2001

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2011440/posts

"I think if HRC gets this nom, it is beacuse the humanzing effort put in by Maggie made it possible.
Hillary was driven by pollsters en marketing experts. "

Jason -- Hope you are still around because I want to say KUDOS for this post. You nailed it. Whatever happens here, I hope that Maggie gets a huge career boost from this. I wish we'd hear from her on these tv shows in the future. What a smart woman. If she'd been running Al Gore's race, we'd have a Gore administration right now.

Twas the morning of the big day, to see what the people of Inidana and NC may say.... AND the counrty and world await !
Yeah But you think, who can McCain not beat, the hands of clock move SOOO slow.
Just another day in the paradise of my mind...

McCain Romney 08

So here was how my night at work went. Around 12:30 a.m. I accidentally banged my left hand on a steel rod. I hit it right where the vein is on the top of my hand. My hand started to swell up in the area. About the size of a quarter. The supervisor looks at my hand and takes down an accident report. She tells me that she will take me to see the nurse before I leave work in the morning. Okay. Fine. At lunch , a good friend of mine pretty much over-reacted to something I said at lunch and proceeded to read me the riot act in front of three other people at the table. Then , I go to see the nurse at the end of the day. She read the accident report , looked up and said , "And????" Meaning: You bumped your hand? Is that all? I just shook my head and started laughing. She said , "Do you want an ice pack? Some aspirin?" I said , "No." She then said , "Don't take this personal , I just woke up. I am just used to seeing much worse." I said , "I'll try and do something better next time." She then adds , "No, no. I'm glad you reported this." That was a total waste of time on my part , wasn't it?

I would love to see Hillary win both states just to make these networks eat some crow. MSNBC headline on their web site "It's almost over. Well, not quite ..." Not quite, covering their butts just in case.

Okay -- ROFL! I figured out that I should steal this from Corey, Sturge and Renee and use it everytime somebody says something that REALLY pi$$es me off!

"I see your "and" and your "yeah, but...." and raise you a "soooooo"....."

re that article above......I have a great problem with this "Joshua" crap.......as far as I can see from reading the book of Joshua it is a story of cold and calculated genocide, with "God on our Side........"

They spent 40 years in the mountains raising and training an army and then they invaded the Canaanite cities and land and annihilated virtually all whom they found there..........god told them that these people were evil

Another good one is to tell someone to only speak when they have something important to say. A friend of mine used to say that to me. "Important stuff , Corey. Imortant stuff." In other words , if what I had to say wasn't important , just shut-up."

Corey, How big is it now? Asprin? Oh My...

AND what did you say that was mis understood?

mountains, desert.......whatever.....same difference

Just heard John Ridley on MoJo say that it's too bad all Americans aren't like the Meet the Press viewers who sit down for an hour and listen to Barack with logical minds. Uh....

My response?

"I see your "and" and your "yeah, but...." and raise you a "soooooo"....."

Seriously, over the weekend a friend in NYC called. She is a Vassar grad, upscale, semi-retired from very successful career. Her first words when I answered the phone were: "How does it feel to be another low class, down scale, stupid old racist woman?"

I told her we should have t-shirts printed up.

Craig, Great gig tonight. I thought your weekend c-span appearance a couple of weeks ago allowed you to stretch your wings. They have a great format for you.

Renee, I agree with you. I always look forward to Patsi's comments. It's a shame that yesterday she and Doots were talking past each other.

There's no one in this world who knows Hillary's true capabilities better than Maggie Williams. They should have been together from the start. She gave Mrs Clinton 'permission' to be herself.

Matt Taibbi had a good appearance on Imus this morning. His book, should be an interesting read. Wish I could read more, but my eyes can't handle much more than the newspapers and a glance through the stack of magazines that accumulate until Stinky issues an ultimatum.

I'm really looking forward to the results from today's contests. If Mrs Clinton loses, I'll try being philosophical; if she wins (both) I'll share in her validation as a human being worthy of being president.

We were discussing various things and the other guy at the table with us made some comment about cheating spouses/significant others. All I said was "You two could talk for an hour about that." I just meant , it wasn't something pleasant for the two of them to discuss , so don't bring it up. My female friend thought I was taking delight in bringing up that sore subject for her. I wasn't , but she let into me anyway. Then things got real quiet.

Sturge -- You are so right. Joshua is a very strange one to emulate. Kind of like using Lot as your example of a good father for girls.

Craig I see you are coming to town - So will you call a gathering? A toast of beer for one and all - what do you say.. I will buy the first round

See if you can have him bring his mom & dad, too!

Mom and Dad did attend the last one I went to. They are clearly the good side of Craig. I just can not figure out what went wrong? Must have been Dr Bailey.

Flatus, You coming down? Or anyone?

Good Morning All

I see your "and" and your "yeah, but your "soooooooo" and raise you what I always say when a politician is anywhere near ......

"Huh? You must be kidding!"

Ping, my speech Friday in Orlando is just a one day trip this time (and yes, mom and dad will be there). i'll alert ya when i get a longer stay

ok corey et al, i wanna play . . . i see your "and," your "yeah, your "soooooo"....." and raise you a hearty "whatever"

yesterday's thread became horrifingly unpleasant to read. i do wish everyone could keep it a bit more civil, but apparently that's too much to ask of Dems in these emotional times. maybe we need more McCainiacs in here to unite the Dems.

"she seems to have finally figured out how to run an effective campaign."

What on earth are you talking about. She is running the same dirty campaign she has run all along. I'm looking forward to the day will will not have to look at her fat ass in a pants suit ever again !!!!!!

HILLARY CLINTON CRIMES

(1) Took a $100,000 bribe, camouflaged as futures trades,
from Tyson Foods Inc.

(2) Speculated in Health Care industry futures while overseeing
legislative reform of same.

(3) Failed to correct false testimony by co-defendant Ira
Magaziner in Health Care trial.

(4) Obstructed justice by ordering the shredding of Vince
Foster's documents in the Rose Law Firm.

(5) Ordered members of the Health Care Task Force to shred
documents that were the target of a court probe.

(6) Ordered the removal of documents from Vince Foster's office.

(7) Told aides to lie about their removal of documents from
Foster's office

(8) Obstructed justice by keeping her billing records, a document
sought under subpoena, in the White House residence.

(9) Lied to investigators about her knowledge about billing
records.

(10) Lied to investigators about her involvement in the Castle
Grande land flip con.

(11) Ordered the use of the FBI to discredit Travel Office
employees.

(12) Lied to investigators about her involvement in the firing of
Travel Office Employees.

The speech is sponsored by the Rotary club, I bet more votes in that group for McCain / Romney then ?? /?? !!

As for rally of McCainiacs.... What the Heck is that? No one can go Manic over McCain. He is just clearly the best choice of the ones that remain

Craig on C-Span tonight...yay!!!! 8~)

Ping, Stinky and I are packing our bags for our Saturday departure to the Land of the Morning Calm. Wish I could be there but...

Skylark,

At least HRC has done something !! BHO ?? He keeps changing to avoid anything of fact sticking to him. Then he gets upset when called a Politician.
The most stable consistent message of his group has come from the Rev Wright.

BHO is about change - trying to take every last piece of change out of my pocket
BHO is about change - Ahh. do not like the message, let me change

Funny the travel gate people were funded by a rightwing lawyers front group.

We all know she murdered her lesbian lover Vince Foster

The only liar here is the poster making these claims
it must be Rush Limpballs assistant hoping for some extra hillbilly heroin to which he is obviously addicted.

Time for Skylark to head for the 'poop deck'.

BTW , Craig. I don't believe all of this hatred boils down to just who supports who. Maybe it does , but I think it may come down to just some people thinking others aren't very nice people.

OXY, come now, not even Rush or Hannity would make the claims of the fellow Dem Skylark.

And I am no Ditto head as craig my claim

McCain Romeny 08

If Hillary loses NC in double digits, it is because the AA´s who were handed the "vote-for-a-ablack-man-card" and succumbed to it.....
I say this because my parents are in NC campaigning and they had to endure lost of this when canvassing for HRC.....

Let us hope it will not happen......

On the other hand,
It should be really interesting if HRC gets more then 60% of the white vote, and loses and BO gets 90% or more of the AA vote.
What does that say about him winning only in the AA dominated contests with nearly every AA voting for him?

" I'm looking forward to the day will will not have to look at her fat ass in a pants suit ever again !!!!!!"

As promised: "I see your "and" and your "yeah, but...." and raise you a "soooooo"....."

Flatus, Sounds great, where is this land of the Morning Calm?
Growing up - I would call it Lake Conway !!

Safe travels.
As I head to the office of of work and triumph !! clearly not calm

corey......and another tick of the clock and former comrades find themselves at odds and the sides shift and the excoriation begins anew with new partners.......same old nastiness, different adversaries.....same old soup, just a different bone.......

And? Yeah, but........ Sooooooooo.........

Whatever.

*Note to Hillary...start wearing dresses*

If HRC is running a dirty campiagn, what has BO been running in the past 13 days?

Hmmmmmm. Maybe we should have a look.
What happend to new style politics.

In amsterdam they have a saying: Talkers should have long breath!

Sturg !!
And? Yeah, but ............... Soooooooo, Whatever, Who cares

Land of the morning Calm........The Chalet at Little Switzerland, NC.

On the other hand,
It should be really interesting if HRC gets more then 60% of the white vote, and loses and BO gets 90% or more of the AA vote.
What does that say about him winning only in the AA dominated contests with nearly every AA voting for him?

Posted by: Jason | May 6, 2008 8:47 AM

I believe it would say that Barack Obama is THEIR candidate of choice. Just like Hillary Clinton is yours.......

Jason, you are implying that "African Americans" will only vote for their own kind and that is demonizing.....But White Americans are just business as usual? Think about what you just implied.

altho, ping, i'd luv to hang out with any trailmixers after the friday event, which ends around 8p

http://www.switzerlandinn.com/tour.htm

Ping.......and of course the ever popular: "Big Deal...."

Craig, what do you think will happen tonight. You were close in PA. I think Hillary by 10 in Ind. and Obama by 6 in NC.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/05/hillary-finds-her-groove.html#comment-77553

sadly, corey, i think you are right about that. but this is an open thread blog, even for jerks

You know why I think HRC needs to win NC?
Because if she loses NC by even 1%, the pundits and MSM will say: "Even through the onslaught of Wright he still managed to pull out this victory...."
That is why HRC needs to win this. To silence them, for once and for all!
If she is able to pull NC (she will win In for sure), she will blast through WV and BO will pull out before Oregon!

Also Craig do you have any thoughts about that William Ayers picture of him standing on an American Flag.

"Jason, you are implying that "African Americans" will only vote for their own kind and that is demonizing.....But White Americans are just business as usual? Think about what you just implied."

I could be wrong...but I believe Jason is African American?

Craig do you know anything about Liz Chadderdon. She was on FOX last night and did not have a clue who William Ayers was. Don't you think if a candidate supporter is put on the air they should know what is happening on the stump?

Craig, You are on....
I will buy the first round either way. So to keep the stereotype going as a Republican how bout Seasons 52, Or for the Dem crowd the Old Ale House... (actually I like em both)
So you pick the place..... or let Mom and Dad pick it !!

How about some Pioneers along with Trail mixers?

Sheila,
I know it is a difficult thing to say. But it is true.
You don´t wanna know what is being said to AA´s in NC.
It is coming down to this: We finally have a chance to be in the white house. this is what MLK etc have been pushing for. Now is your chance to put him in the white house.

if you are not stroing on your feet, you just do it.

I am an AA, I know! My parents know, we know Sheila.

Jason:

I don't think she'll pull out NC but I think it will be close.

I actually think if she gets w/in 5% of him and walks away with the working class vote again - the narrative will still be to her adv. - why can't BO win those voters...so we'll have to see.

She wins IN.

NC - BO wins by around 5% and I'm going to say 5% or less.

IN - HRC wins by 7% or above.

"Craig, what do you think will happen tonight. You were close in PA. I think Hillary by 10 in Ind. and Obama by 6 in NC. -- Posted by: vadaryl"

PA was clearer to me in advance and less sure about today, but here's my best guess: Hillary by 6 pts in Ind. and Obama by 9 in NC

And we're lucky to have someone as forgiving as you as host , Craig. I used to work with a woman named Glory. She drove all of us guys in our department nuts. She had eye surgery a few years ago and she was off for 3 weeks. I've never seen such happy men. LOL!

we like that italian joint at marketplace, ping. can't remember the name of it. but we can decide at the event

Well, seeing that I made just one comment yesterday Craig, glad I missed it.

Wendy, you may be right.

Flatus, I hope your Birthday was nice.

Go HIllary, this is make or break time and Skylark, may your dreams get thrown under the bus.....

This is interesting.

http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/client/act_dsp_pdf.cfm?name=mr080505-2topline.pdf&id=3909

I'M LOOKING FROWARD TO THE DAY I WILL NOT HAVE TO LOOK AT HER FAT ASS IN A PANTS SUIT OR A DRESS EVER AGAIN BECAUSE SHE WILL BE DRUMMED OUT OF PUBLIC OFFICE. SHE HAS CONDUCTED SUCH A DIRTY CAMPAIGN THAT SHE SHOULD BE PUT OUT TO PASTURE !!!!

I'll go for a strong win in Indiana and a squeaker in the wee hours of a win in NC for Hillary.

John Hogue - thanks for your well reasoned analysis of the contest. I agree with your assessment and it squares with a new report from Rasmussen that shows that Sen. Clinton fares better against Sen. McCain that does Sen. Obama on immigration, health care, balancing the budget, trade and education.

And???

Craig do you really think O will win by 9% - Zogby who almost always gets it wrong is the only one with him having a large margin?

Other polls that always get much closer to the actual number have NC much tighter - InsiderAdv/SurveyUSA.

vadaryl, the Ayers thing is not going to matter much unless something comes out that shows it was more than what Obama calls it, a "flimsy relationship" (even though Axelrod said they were "very friendly"). i've talked to a couple of reporters who pursued this but found nothing to suggest that Obama's ties to Ayers were anthing like his ties to Wright. the wild card is that many people who knew both Ayers and Obama at the time are refusing to talk to reporters -- if one ever does talk and tells a different story than Obama has, then there's trouble

Still thinking that she can pull out NC.....
Don´t know why, just .....yah...just feelings.....

Sheila,
I know it is a difficult thing to say. But it is true.
You don´t wanna know what is being said to AA´s in NC.
It is coming down to this: We finally have a chance to be in the white house. this is what MLK etc have been pushing for. Now is your chance to put him in the white house.

if you are not stroing on your feet, you just do it.

I am an AA, I know! My parents know, we know Sheila.

Posted by: Jason | May 6, 2008 9:10 AM

Jason- this is why I want a white woman in the white house. Men have screwed up this country far too long- it is our time. Hillary has seen it all, and it is due to her Bill was even president. She is the best chance for a woman I will see in my lifetime

Barak has been playing the race card for months. This is a large part of his total disengenuity. Thanks for your honesty Jason. If Barak was qualified and honest, I would be voting for him too.

http://www.pr-inside.com/andy-martin-on-the-explosive-relationship-r573726.htm

Craig,

Since Hannity is really pushing this Ayers thing do you think he will be able to get one of these people to open up?

Wow Jamie - that's a brave prediction - I want to jump on your bandwagon!!!

Terry Mc. said Hillary would shock the world tonight but wouldn't say she'd win NC. If she won NC she would definitely shock . . . well the United States and possibly a few pockets around the world that might be paying attention.

;-)

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/05/hillary-finds-her-groove.html#comment-77585

well, wendy, the math and demographics of NC tell the story: you can't lead a third of the electorate by nearly 8-to-1 and fail to win handily, even if the opponent wins two-thirds of the electorate by 2-to-1. and that looks to be the breakdown of black and white vote in NC

mornin'all.

Whew, I haven't gone back to read last night's posts- sounds like things got out of hand. Maybe I won't - yeah, I'll just have to - right after I get this frickin' brief done.

Sheila, Jason can speak for his words, but what I read in them is that he may see racism in his community more than in the white community. Of course, the fair comparison if isms would be the black community's vote for Obama versus the female community's vote for Hillary to see whether racism trumps sexism (don't assume I'm suggesting that the voting of blocks necessarily reflects ----ism - I'm just suggesting that that would be the correct paradigm for bloc voting).

And I'll see your whatever with a "um hmm, right."

unknowable, vadaryl, simply unknowable.

With the music from Jaws in the background, here is my comment re: last evening's posts: "Just when I thought it was ok to go back in the water"...more sharks (former friends) not only were spotted but the blood from the fights was all over Crawford's List. Back to lurking!

Craig, Thanks for your thoughts. I don't know how long Hannity has been sitting on that pictute of Ayers but if he's trying as hard as it appears to make a story out of this guy I think he will get one of those people to talk. He got the Wright story out there, he got the question asked at the debate, so who knows what this guy can do.

And a bit more from the American Thinker...

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/05/obamas_trap.html

Hillary will reach acroos the aisle and get energy policy on the right track. Same with SS and healthcare. No one doubts her standing up to creeps like Ahmadinejad or Assad.

Obama would carry his flaws and problems right into the WH. Under attack he would need Pelosi and Dean for cover, giving them far too much power. It would be a terrible four years and set back AAs decades.

Years of Michelle bitterly defending her man. Gees....

Now did anyone here read her thesis?

And yes, you can bring up Ayers when he helped to get Obama $50 million. You can bring up Moss who Obama likes and is his new Preacher. Obama is trying to run out the clock and Rezko won't take the stand.

Well - I'll still take a single digit loss in NC given that a couple weeks ago he was leading in all the polls by over 20%...and everyone says BO closes well...looks like Hillary can do a little closing of her own - pulls out a win in IN - a state he thought he'd win by 7% and closes to single digits in NC.

I still think that if she keeps her coalition in NC by a comfortable margin - even if she loses the state - the narrative will be to her adv.

Secretly, I'm riding on Jamie's bandwagon for a small win for Hillary in NC

;-)

eprof........too bad......I enjoy your postings.....

CC if you ever do a book signing midway between DC and Orlando, say Charleston......lol.........there's a great little book store in Freshfields Village between Kiawah and Seabrook Islands......INDIGO BOOKS

we heard you the first time, skylark. repeating it in all caps doesn't add that much

Craig -------------------------------

Have you seen this at NO QUARTER by Larry Johnson?

"Why is Obama Hiding the Truth About William Ayers? Follow the Money"

"In fact, Barack worked for Bill Ayers for at least eight years and the press, so far, has not investigated this matter."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/26/why-is-obama-hiding-the-truth-about-william-ayers-follow-the-money/

"Don´t know why, just .....yah...just feelings"

Jason,

If I turn out to be right, I'll tell you tomorrow why I got the same feeling. : )

Whether Obama or Clinton supporter- what difference will ether's election make in terms of ending sexism or racism?

Also, who here regularly experiences an -ism? I am most interested in present experiences, but past is okay too I guess.

Following up on what Pogo wrote earlier- it is hard to compare these kinds of experiences. They vary so much based upon age and area of the country, income and other things-

http://www.freshfieldsvillage.com/shop.php?id=24

Yep
I think the shock will come because NC is NOT a caucus! We need not forget that..

I am saying that the win is possible due to the fact that NC is not a caucus and people will feel less threathened to not vote for BO, seen as it is a closed private voting booth.....

Somebody get me away from the net.
Today I am not productive at all. Only wrote three sentneces form chapter 3... LMPO....

Jason, what your parents are seeing mirrors what was being done here in South Carolina.

"Now did anyone here read her thesis?"

Yes - I've read it - and frankly it just feeds into the bigger picture I have of the Obama's given things they've said and the people that surround - and I don't have to include Ayers in that picture (although I believe there is more there than has come out to date). I believe they have a very narrow view of this country - I believe it is why Obama connects with a narrow demographic of voters.

Gotta get sleep. Be safe everyone.

Zogby poll just came out:

http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1499

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/05/hillary-finds-her-groove.html#comment-77602

gordo, that is an interesting bill of particulars on noquarterusa. but still seems more like a circumstantial evidence case when compared to his clear and acknowledged ties to wright

Vadaryl - you mean the Zogbama poll.

I always throw Zogbama out - they've been way off too many times and are connected to the Obama campaign - I just can't take them seriously.

I wish Suffolk had done NC too - I think they only did IN.

Kathy,

I can give you something. I just completed a job where based on Culture and Country, I was judged for being a woman chef, vice a male chef which is traditional in other countries than this one.

I was also judged against what is percieved as acceptable female behavior as per other countries. like speaking in aurthoriy.

I was also judged by my physical figure. As in, if I am overweight, I am substandard purely as a woman.

Finally, I was judged for being an american in my own country.

How did I handle it? Shrugged a lot off as a "World block" and over came by silent example.

BUT, I'm relieved to be gone from there.

Zogby got PA almost exactly right on primary day: http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1487

Zogby has been off and Insider and SurveyUSA have been pretty good. Maybe Drudge was using their numbers too when they wrote this:

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashnc.htm

each side gets a poll to rally around for NC today -- zogby shows a big obama win and insider advantage shows him up by just 4: http://www.southernpoliticalreport.com/storylink_56_382.aspx

weirdly, both zogby and insider were just about right on the money in their last PA poll -- strange that they are so far apart today

Based on Zogby it could be bye bye birdie tonight!

NC is a no contest and IND 45-43 with a 7% not sure it could be over if those 7% go Obama's way.

Craig - I hear ya - but can you give me another example beside PA that they got right? Other polls get it right more often or w/in margin of error more often. I would bet $1 that Zogby has NC wrong this time.

Also - here is just another example of how disconnected O' is and how it's all about Obama.

Obama tries to get people fired in order to win NC

This is from his daily e-mail:

"Call in sick if you have to and help us all day by canvassing or offering rides to the polls."

full text found at this link:

"http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/06/obama-field-director-urges-people-to-lie-to-their-bosses/"

Now what's ole O' going to do if peple get fired? Oh well won't matter - at least he got what he wanted.

Craig, are you hearing anything from the Clinton camp that they are worried about these new numbers.

Hmmmm. Gets me a bit worried I must say....
But we will see.

Still feel she can (needs to) pull it off.

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Wendy: I'll tell you who should fired: That field director. That is simply irresponsible and very disrespectful to employers. I was a retail manager for 5 years. If somebody called in sick to campaign, I would fire their a*%. During the 2000 campaign, I held signs AFTER work.

the William Ayers thing....

In yesterday's CSM they did an interview with McCain's senior advisor, Charlie Black in an article entitled "Over Lunch... with the Monitor"....... here's the exchange....

On whether Senator Obama's friendship with former Weather Underground member William Ayers is fair game:
"If the guy was involved in his political organization... for a period of years and Obama obviously knew about the guy's history, then that creates a question about his judgment. Again, an unrepentant terrorist is what this guy is."

looks like the Republicans are looking into this....
and of course..... the Christian Science Monitor is considered one of the most respected newspapers world wide......

zogby was way off in Ohio, wendy, i'll give ya that. his last one had them tied on primary day. but you can't take PA away from him, he nailed that one.

ok folks, enough with the predictions and poll analysis from me. we'll know soon enough. let the voters vote!

"Matt Drudge is the beneficiary of a ham-handed “leak” about Clinton aides “believing” she will be blown out in North Carolina."

http://thepage.time.com/2008/05/06/oh-the-expectations-they%e2%80%99ll-set-2/

Well...like I said Ally - the Obama isn't really thinking about what is good for his supporters or the voters - he is only thinking about what is good for him. His entire career and record to date is evidence of Obama only doing things that will directly benefit his political ambitions - so I'm not really surprised by the memo.

Given that a good chunk of his voters are young people - college age - I think he's sending them a poor message to skip work to do him a favor.

[shrugs]

typical.

Craig, is the media trying to affect this outcome. By saying such and such is ahead or it's almost over but... why can;t they just let these voters vote. When they hear that it's not going to be a contest then they may not vote or say I won't vote for a loser. The media has had it good for weeks, why can't they sit back for a few hrs and let this play out.

kathy - indeed they do. In this pres candidate race, the AA community has gotten squarely behind Obama - that could suggest racism - which is what I think Jason was implying in his earlier post - or it may not. And I could have misinterpreted Jason's intent. But I don't think voting for someone who is more like you than the other candidate is racism even if race is the distinguishing feature. Voting against a candidate b ecause of their race - now that's racism.

I do see racism here with some frequency, mostly just passing comments without any apparent anger - not like it used to be in the Heart of Dixie, but racism nonetheless.

Man, was it ugly in here last night or what? Glad I missed it.

Oh, and Jack - this is a day late, but Don Julio for sippin', 100 years (cent annos) for mixing or shooting.

Happy Ses de Mayo :-)

Just as a final word on Zogby - he also had Obama winning California and New Hampshire...that didn't quite work out either

;-)

Oil is now $121.49 I heard gas may go up 10 to 15 cents in the next few days. Any help these candidates come up with is better than not having one at all.

""""But I don't think voting for someone who is more like you than the other candidate is racism even if race is the distinguishing feature. Voting against a candidate b ecause of their race - now that's racism. """

Thank you for that remark Pogo. Awareness is the first defense against racism or sexism.

Education is the key. ;0)

"Man, was it ugly in here last night or what? Glad I missed it."

I think I tuned in about 9:00 pm blog time and decided it was not a safe place to venture...opted for cable news instead

;-)

Hi Pogo- thanks for the response. My best friend is Korean american- and when she visited me, commented that is was really strange to be the only asian around. The thing about racism and sexism and d all the isms, is that they are in the eye of the recipient. Look at the overreactions to what connotates sexual harassment or not-

I think most people do not perceive themselves to be racists, but that does not mean that racism does not exist. I definitely find that younger people are much less so. At the start of the primary, many of my older 65+ friends were very wary that a black could be elected, and said he would be assassinated first. This was not based upon racism but upon institution memory of where they were in 63 and 68.

I read a book about Jewish assimilation in the US, and one of the points was that all the separation and identity that existed ever generations was unraveling through intermarriage. I heard the same analysis for pockets of Boston where the traditionally Irish and Italian areas were being increasingly integrated though intermarriage (or no marriage but kids).

My own kids have been raised to think that there is nothing unusual about being gay- they know kids with 2 moms, and that is another ism that has changed so much- my home state has marriage and my adopted state civil unions.

IN any case, I just want this over., I will support whoever, It is frustrating that there were so many good candidates this time around, and no matter what, many will feel disenfranchised.

Hey guys,
Am happy I am never in when people quarrel to the extent that they call names and people lose respect..
I always opt to go out...

On the whole race thing. I am not talking about racism.
Just saying that AA´s are often very much pressured in voting for their race, even if they don´t agree. Reason: We have waited so long, and we are this close!

People tend to delve into that...And somehow U cannot blame them. It is however very sad.
Glad my parents live in Fla. The pressure there is not that big, but in Places like SC, GA, NC etc...the pressure is on.

Am still thinbking that seen ast this is not a caucus, will help HRC ..
She can still win it......

Harold Ford said: One person will win both.....

Did Harold say which one he thought would win. He is one of the better talking heads out there.

And Kathy,

thank you. Thoughtful information and opinion.

Glad you mentioned "awareness" Sheila. How do you feel about one of the latest coming from commentators. Reported by Digby, certainly one of the most reputable bloggers (out of respecy for the faint of heart, I bleeped two letters in one word):

"In fact, several correspondents have shared with me the supposedly hilarious observation that Clinton is the "Joan of Arc of the dry pu$$y demographic" and her "neck looks like a badly folded quilt."

Patsi,

Of course, "Me" the civil discourse maven HATES crap like that. But I don't take if so personally that I can't see where it came from and possitively reject it.

Just like all the demonization of Obama here. If I was really freaked by it, you would have seen me blowing a tube for the last year.

I believe in free speech. I don't believe in misinformation for the sake of demonization. I reject it.

And thanks for bleeping. ;0)

tick, tick, tick.

Ping, Stinky and I are packing our bags for our Saturday departure to the Land of the Morning Calm. Wish I could be there but...

Nearly 3000 candles lit for HRC from 35 countries.....

A Ma Zing!!!!!!!!!!

"I believe in free speech. I don't believe in misinformation for the sake of demonization. "

Agree with you 100% on that, Sheila.

I think the madonna song should be played tonight at het victory speach

4 minutes is an amazing song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DToWue7yDDc

Compare and contrast Craig's take of Hillary to that of Brooks in the NYTimes today. Brooks, a sufferer of full blown Clinton Derangement Syndrome.

Please read the study of the Illinois oil tax holiday that proves Obama is wrong http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/05/06/gas_tax/. Gee, does not even bother to read the policy analysis of his own legislation. Then lies about it for political expediency.

Pogo, I sure am glad stinky dragged me out of the party before the food fight started. She says next year we're not even thinking about birthdays much less parties.

Max, if you're as smart as you seem, you'll see what happened at my party and seriously consider going really low key for yours.

tick, tick, tick

The ticking "scandal" bomb that IS going to explode on Obama if he gets to the GE.

Sheila - you're welcome. Given all the accusations of racism, sexism, ismism and the like around here recently, I thought it couldn't hurt.

Patsi, Digby may be one fo the most reputable bloggers, but is certainly not one of the more respectful ones, at least not if that sharing of the observations of several correspondents is any indication.

Hey peepz,

Going out.
It is a fanatsic 19 degrees here in Amsterdam with full sun! The guys are going out to a terrace to drink. Gonna join them and talk some politics, it is nearly 5:30 in the afternoon allready......

Keep it civil....

Going for the double kill tonoght.
Indiana +7
NC + 2

Good times. Hillary wants to "obliterate" Iran and McCain wants to start up the "Cold War" again.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080506/pl_bloomberg/a2toncy6gkji;_ylt=AmRzw5vKRLxL9hr4KoiR9RxsnwcF

flatus - have a great trip - that's one part of the world I haven't ventured into. Hell we don't even have a Korean restaurant within 40 miles of here. I have, however, enjoyed the cuisine when I've had it, my brother in law is on his 3rd marriage to a Korean woman (mostly his fault, not theirs), and between my wife and son (and me), we have 3 Korean guitars and a Korean Piano - all of which are great instrunments.

Warren,

You are so bright and energetic.

But it really bothers me when I see you taking an action verb like "obliterate", attribute it to a candidate, then apply it out of context.

Win the fight through the force of your intellect, not through an ability to manipulate words.

Nice out of context quote warren whaddaya think this is a legal brief?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/05/hillary-finds-her-groove.html#comment-77507

Read, young man.

Craigs comments about the NC vote made me do some math.
If the AA vote is a third of the vote and
If Obama gets 85% of the AA vote and I don't see why he can't. Then HRC needs 69% of remaining voters. She has not done that any where.
If she gets 62%, not unreasonable but very high. She loses
54% to 46%

Keeping the loss to under 10% would be a very good day for Clinton
Keeping it under 5% would be a win if expectations counted for anything at this late date, but they don't or very little anyway.

Jack

I'm still waiting for anyone in the news media or elsewhere to tell me when in the past two hundred years what counties Iran has invaded or threatened.

Of course I'm also sure that everyone will bring up Iran's war with Iraq, but Iran didn't start that, Saddam did.

Remember it was Hitler who told the German people what a threat Poland was to Germany and how they wanted to attack Germany. That was Hitler's excuse to go to war with Poland.

Now we get the same madness from Der Fuehrer's Nazi Gestapos about Iran and also from two Presidential Candidates.

Yes, lets obliterate Iran so the price of OIL can go above Two Hundred Dollars a Barrel since no OIL will flow out of the Middle East since the whole Middle East will be Radioactive for the rest of our lifetimes.

I'm sure everyone will love the smell of DEATH in the AIR for the years afterwards.

God Bless.

And by the way, does anyone really think that Iran would be so stupid to use a single nuclear device against us?

Yeah right, I thought so. They would assure there destruction by biting off there nose to spite there face. Gimme a break.

God Bless.

A-P, that's exactly what we must count on. And, by extension of treaty, an attack on, let's say, Ankara, will be reacted to just as if it was an attack on Charlotte.

More info on Craig Friday
http://calendar.ocls.info/evanced/lib/eventsignup.asp?ID=64802&rts=&disptype=&ret=eventcalendar.asp&pointer=&returnToSearch=&SignupType=&num=0&ad=&dt=mo&mo=5/1/2008&df=calendar&EventType=ALL&Lib=&AgeGroup=&LangType=0&WindowMode=&noheader=&lad=

Best of luck. flatus, with the misquote twins you're going to need it. Me? I am going to lunch - sit outside in the courtyard, enjoy a salad, a sunny 70 degree day and Mrs. P.

Jack,

Sounds like you switched from Tequila to Klinton kool-aid to soon. Sorry, games over! This is it for the last big primaries and maybe the chances for the dems to wins the WH unless he can win both states. Craig is being conservative. . . lol. . in his NC prediction. Obama wins there by at least 10.

Now comes the big push on parliamentary procedures and Roberts Rules of Order to try and steal it.

And in the process Hillary wrecks the party.

Pogo, can I stop by?

Flatus

I suspect Obama's reaction would be much the same as HRC's. The only foreign policey statement that I remember of Obama's was the one where he said he would go into Pakistan and get OBL. IMO it was a good statement. Some things need to be made clear with no doubt on either side as to our reaction.

Jack

Good afternoon everyone!

I was up very late last night blogging for Hillary in various electronic venues around IN and NC. I have no idea how it will turn out -- but I am quietly hopeful that Hillary will keep the ball in play.

Lots of BO surrogates canvassing the airwaves today. TPs seem to be super delegates should bend to the will of the people. So question:

Has anyone done the math to see how that would turn out? Should the SDs bend to the will of the national popular vote? To the popular vote in their states? Districts?

I have a hunch that if the statewde popular votes, weighted by population and number of electoral votes, were the determination then the SDs would have to vote for HRC.

Craig,

Is putting some remarks into auto-cartoon bubbles an option?

Or maybe vocalizing them with, say, Daffy Duck's thibilanth?

Or maybe there's just a person here who thinks history and his hysteria are one and the same?

Who knows?

Rez Dog -- Your comment that HRC will wreck the party by invoking the rules of the convention is absurd. Dispute resolution and protecting the interests of the minority are why we have rules. Let the process play out.

Frankly if Obama was such a superhero, we'd have all seen the light by now, don't you think? The fact is, Obama hasn't convinced at least half of the party that he deserves to be our nominee -- so why isn't he backing down? Do you see the absurdity of that? I think we at least need to give Obama a chance to convince the other half of the party that he is deserving of our support. So far in this primary process he hasn't done that --so he will have another chance to do so at the convention.

Flatus:

"But it really bothers me when I see you taking an action verb like "obliterate", attribute it to a candidate, then apply it out of context."

How do you think Clinton's comments are being spun by the propoganda mills in the Middle East? Do you think Al-Jezeera (and others) are providing a "fair and balanced" context for Clinton's statement.

(btw, thanks for the compliments!)

jason - I have the feeling Hil'ry will pull through in NC, too. Maybe only by 2 or 3, so KO can pooh-pooh it as inconsequential (whereas if BO won by that much he would considere it to be a clear mandate for him to be the nom), but a win for HRC.

I'll see your "and," yeah but," "sooooo" and "whatever" and raise you an eye-roll, a sigh and a look of utter disgust.

"Hi" to the 'rents!

Hil'ry is using strong language about Iran now because:

a) She's a woman and she will have to come across very strongly for people to have faith in her ability to be Commander In Chief in the general when she has more to worry about than getting the vote of the left

b) She's quite aware that the world is watching & knows exactly what message she is sending

You're welcome, Warren.

Our government could be saying, "The sky's are blue and there's a flock of doves winging their way to the Capitol."

And our opposition could, and does, quite easily say, "Under the cover of night, formations of stealth bombers practice missions of attack against our most holy places."

If the Dems are foolish enough to put another Kerry-esque candidate on the ballot, Obama wrecks the party's chances of putting a Dem in the WH.

Alicia,
i agree with many of your points, except, as it stands, irrespective of today's results and the remaining contests, Obama will lead in pledged delegates or those awarded by State voting.

Now, the SDs can side with whom they want by whatever metric they decide. if he comes out on top there and has over 2024 dels. Will Hillary stop. I doubt it. That's where my point come in.

No, she's go for a Credential Comm. floor fight on seating some fashion of FL/MI delegate count. That COULD mortally wound the party for November.. That's where I was going.

Rez - The undoing of the Dems would be to put forth BO in the general.

"I see your "and" and your "yeah, but...." and raise you a "soooooo"....."

One great thing that will come out of today is look at how many people voted. That can't be hurting the party. The interest level is great. Hopefully that will continue in November. I just hope the rest of the states can have their say but I don't think that will happen if Hillary loses both states. I still see a split tonight and we go on.

eye roll ((sigh)) look of utter disgust

Well, if you can't see the forest of the general election because of all the trees of the primaries in the way...

Hannity and panel discuss Barack and Ayers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiIrbTLpAi4

Jack, I agree with you about what Mr Obama would probably do.

For most situations we want a high degree of uncertainty as to what our reaction will be; that uncertainty raises the stakes for potential aggressors. It's not the predictable tit-for-tat, but the possibility that our reaction will be disproportionately strong that deters.

On the other hand, with weapons as terrible as nuclear arms, we need remove any doubt as to the nature and swiftness of our reaction.

That is the deterrent that has worked in the past; I believe it will continue working in the future.

But is must be annunciated.

Ok. the jitters are here.
My sister called. the first exit polls have come in to HQ in Indiana..
she send me a link...

Nobody knows the source..

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/pol/670059800.html

Just some points about Iran.

Check out what Obama said regarding Iran in 2004. He was the first to talk about using nukes. So let's get the record straight. Obama has done a 180 here like many other things. When he slams Hillary he mocks his own words which the Press should be shoving down his throat.

Second. The generals, the Mullahs and Iranians support the Coup in 1954 which wasn't even really a coup. a., the Prime Minioster had violated the rules of Parliment. b., He was advocating nationalizing British oil without due compensation despite the Brits giving Iran more than fair compensation at the time having discovered and extracted the oil for Iran. c., Had the Prime Minister been victorious, the Soviets would have been the only party to operate Iranian infrastructure and evade the global embargo that would have followed such a nationalization. They were on the verge of doing so and were shocked that for 1 million doallrs the West had enabled the removal of the Prime Minister.

It is absurd to excuse the Mullahs, who first supported the US/Brits, in their recasting history. The West kept out Hitler and made the Soviets remove their tanks. The people enjoyed prosperity long before many other Muslims and the Prime Minsiter completely over-played his cards. Today, the Mullahs have removed his name from street signs and remake history. Their rule makes the Shah look good. Obviously Obama's mother didn't like Ike (one reason she liked going abroad) and probably prefered Eisenhower let the Soviets into Iran.

Isn't it ironic Obama today has done a 180 and would likely strike the Grand Bargin with Iran, only to lament later when Iran fields nukes and continues to meddle in the Middle East and support terror groups? Since Obama didn't even vote for the Kyl Bill, reversed his position on Iran and lied to AIPAC members, he has no standing to discuss Iran.

His entire spin in the matter is pandering started long ago when with Lieberman as mentor he waxed hawkish towards Iran. His present triangulation is transparent and petty given the contradictions in the history of his own drivel.

Blue,
that's your opinion about the GE. I see it a different way. i think the dems have a good chance against MsSame if we have a good start and are not to divided. vadaryl makes my point. with his about all the new voters. Most are dems nationwide. That's just one good factor for the nominee.

Anon, tell the relatives of dead Jews in Argentina that Iran is a peace-loving nation. Tell that to the Lebanese, the Israelis, the Iraqi Sunnis. The role of Iranian hit squads in Europe is well documented as is their support for Hizb'Allah, Iraqi Shite militias (supplying bombs and missiles) and activities in Africa. Not even Obama refuses to call on Iran to stop supporting terror. They are even duplicitious enough to help AQ and the Taliban in Iraq and Afghanistan. They are presently working with Chavez.

So stop the BS and defending Iran. Why don't you just go there and then you won't have to wroory about Bush/Hitler putting you in a concentration camp.

Rush Limbaugh's Operation Chaos is working!
According to my over 35 daughter last night, a registered Democrat; she attended a Kentucky Derby party on Saturday at her mother's home in Clarksville Indiana. Her mother is my ex-wife of 32 years and is a stanch registered Republican as are most of her friends that attended the party. My daughter said that the party conversation turned to the subject of politics and most all of the registered Republicans said that they were going to vote for Hillary Clinton in the Primary today. One exception that she heard was from her step-father who said he was going to vote for Barack Obama because he felt that he was the weakest link.

Yes Rush, your Operation Chaos is working!

BTW my daughter is voting for Barack Obama.

For the realy part of the primaries Repubicans told me they were voting for Barak because they feared her the most. The only reason some will now vote for Hillary is because they want to fight to drag out. Almost all the Republicans I have spoken to are like P in T step-father, who KNOW Hillary is the tugher opponent. Even McCain is honest enough to say this as is ROVE!

So whatever the Obamniacs spin today, Obama for President will be a plane burning. $50 million will bring up Ayers again. Pictures with Auchi will likely surface. Wright will continue and the Press will certainly vet Obama's contradictory record and polcies come GE time. Obama will play race and we will see an ugly November.

Democrats ought to wake up and smell the coffee. Only Hillary can rescue them from their santching defeat from the jaws of victory. Go head however, and do what the Republicans really want. Vote for Obama and make their day.

I just took a peak at InsiderAdvantage poll numbers and noticed it was dated today.

Obama 46.9 Hillary 43.4 Undecided 10%

If this holds up it could be an interesting night. Where do those undecided go?

http://www.southernpoliticalreport.com/storylink_56_382.aspx

Insider did not have a new poll for Ind today.

That is exactly what I predict Vadaryl. Exactly.
Well it is 7:30 in the evening here.... It feels like my graduation, cannot sit still. Am cris crossing all the internet sites....
Not gonnna get sleep today

Who is Auchi. I never heard of this guy.

"My sister called. the first exit polls have come in to HQ in Indiana..
she send me a link..."

OK - who knows if those exit polls are true -- but if there is any truth to them O' could be in BIG trouble.
If you will all remember PA, CNN and MSNBO thought Obama was actually winning based on early exit polls but then Hillary had a late surge because they believe her voters voted after work.

Well - very interesting - let's hope there is some truth there.

And given today's InsiderAdv for NC today

Jamie...I'm still on the wagon for NC and in fact, I might even take a seat now!!!

How many more people is BHO associated with that we don't know about. One by one keeps coming out.

you know it really is extraordinary... The Obama supporters generally don't show up til much later in the day. The Clinton supporters are "up and at 'em" early early in the morning. What's up with that? Craig referenced it once before... but the early posts are always like a group of friends chatting away... then later in the day all hell breaks loose, :-D

A few days ago, a pollster said Obama over-polls 3 or 4 % because people lie when questioned. Even bigger over-poll number with exit polls.

wendy did you get the link Love to see it.

"then later in the day all hell breaks loose,"

ET. . We don't like the tea you're serving. :)

Any exit info on NC?

Just do a google Vad

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4666702&page=1

While Obama was cuddling up with Rezko, Ayers and Khalidi, Wright and others, Hillary was in Bosnia.

So again, the disingenous attacks on Hillary by Obama are foolish at best. Even Power supported the Clintons going after Serbia while Obama was creating the connections to advance in his political career. As Craig said, Obama made a mistake by down playing any real connection he had to Ayers. That is what will come back and bite. Just like Obama called Wright "not controversial" just a week before FOX broke the story open. It is Obama fot that is doing the damage and his poor judgment to make the friends and then fail to get credibile distance BEFORE they reached the front page.

Well so now that is appears we've got IN all wrapped up and will perhaps eke out a small win in NC...let' turn our attention to Kentucky.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=602e0e00-1895-4c69-81cc-96bcae6aee9d

yes - that's Hillary winning by 34% in Kentucky

oh yea and she's going to win by at least 25% in WV and 20% in PR

;-)

OD - we're counting on you to pull out a small win for Hillary in Oregon too!!!

Wendy,

U then Join me and Jamie and Gidget
I was the first this morning with my NC prediction.
Hop in I would say......

Dutch news just announced that HRC is allready setting up her big victory speach in Indiana. Any truth to that?
RTL4 just said that

we heard you the first time, skylark. repeating it in all caps doesn't add that much

Posted by: Craig Crawford | May 6, 2008 9:41 AM

Amen Craig... Me thinks s/he is forgetting the "better living through chemistry" routine.

And calling Hillary's ass "fat" is just childish. If it's big or not, it does not matter. One does not have to attack people for body shapes.

Wendy,

"My sister called. the first exit polls have come in to HQ in Indiana..
she send me a link..."

Do you have a link to this info? Does your sister work at the IND HQ

Vad - if you're talking about the exit poll link - it's the one Jason posted -

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/05/hillary-finds-her-groove.html#comment-77701

vadary ----------

Obama, Auchi & Rezko - A Time Line Of Conspiracy?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2a8bgF7sRfo

Wendy

Plenty of room on the bus, though I expect it to end up standing room only by the end of the day. You just sit right down here with me and Jason. I understand Sen. Clinton is getting driving lessons today from one of the lady drivers on the circuit who uses a biofueled car. : )

Jason do you have a link about the Dutch News. I just told that to a buddy of mine and he thinks I have lost my mine.

btw, just so we're straight - Clinton was talking about our reaction if Iran attacked Israel, not us, and the only mention of the use of nukes was Iran using them - not us. As I said - read the quote.

One million people may vote in NC. No way that is hurting the party.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080506/pl_politico/10112

Jamie

ROFL!!!

I think this sums it up for Hillary supporters today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em8yot-45yA

So which poll will be right tonight. Zogby or Insider?

SurveyUSA and Insider are in the same ballpark and I say it looks more like them

I don't take Zogby seriously despite his lucky guess on PA

My god... I just read the posts of yesterday. Things really went from out of the pan and into the fire. And it seems that I got blamed for starting the whole thing. I could be totally offended I suppose, but I choose not to. (For the record, I stand by my comment, and I would urge in the future that if someone is offended, email the comment author privately! ). This kind of animosity is just not worth it gang! It's interesting because we Clinton supporters feel particularly aggrieved and the Obama supporters feel the same way. It's clear when you read the reactions to posts we make more allowances for people who are politically in-synch with us.. i.e. Obamaniacs for Obamaniacs, Clintonites for Clintonites. People can deny it, but it's certainly there.

I can honestly say that I felt real time anger reading some of the comments. And, to a certain extent, I view them with a biased eye as well. There is one person here whose comments I disdain totally, another person who reacts with offense to a post and fires away. A third person I used to really dislike, but I've come to see the good along with the not-so-good. Look, we're all intelligent people. We just have to embrace it.

I love this quote because it humbles me just when I am about to totally go "on attack":

ERIC HOFFER:
"The remarkable thing is that we really love our neighbor as ourselves: we do unto others as we do unto ourselves. We hate others when we hate ourselves. We are tolerant toward others when we tolerate ourselves. We forgive others when we forgive ourselves. We are prone to sacrifice others when we are ready to sacrifice ourselves."

Just a thought.

In solidarity,

Tom

P.S. Bottom line? I'm still learning from the good and the not-so-good.

pogo,
I have been "political primaryed out" for a long time. I drop in to look around almost everyday. I am impressed to seen the number of new people since Crag switched to CQ. I see that the passions are still quite high.
I will probably start commenting more when the General Election cycle gets going.

"And in the process Hillary wrecks the party. "

I am so sorry that I am no longer allowed to say what I think.

Yes, but on CNN Zogby contradicted his own polling regarding Penn

Go Hillary!

And in the process Hillary wrecks the party. "

I am so sorry that I am no longer allowed to say what I think.

Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | May 6, 2008 2:26 PM

ROFLMAO Guess I awoke the sleeping giant,

Damn there's smoke coming on the top of my monitor.

"Damn there's smoke coming on the top of my monitor"

Are you sure it isn't blowing out of your ass?

EuroTom, I wasn't here, but whatever, keep posting. If Obama wins the nomination I suspect several of us won't be here. I have heard just about everything thrown at Hillary and it would serve Obama right if the Clintons visited Europe for several months and watched Obama swim in his own gutter. Sorry to say that, but I never thought I would see the DNC and media put on a show like this one.

Maybe we should take Michelles' advice and start being separatists living in our own worlds.

"Damn there's smoke coming on the top of my monitor"

From a respectful woman who just loves being slapped around, approved by Rez:

Pumpkin Muffins

* 1 cup pumpkin puree (or canned pumpkin)
* 1/3 cup buttermilk or yogurt
* 1/3 cup melted margarine
* 1/2 cup white sugar
* 1/2 cup brown sugar
* 1 teaspoon vanilla
* 2 medium eggs
* 1/2 teaspoon salt
* 1 teaspoon cinnamon
* 1 teaspoon baking soda
* 2 cups whole wheat flour

Get out a big bowl. Scrape the pumpkin puree or canned pumpkin into the bowl. Add the buttermilk, margarine, sugars, vanilla, eggs, salt and cinnamon. Use your whisk to work everything together until it is well blended. Add the baking soda and flour. Mix again, stirring only until the flour is moistened. Be careful not to over beat, muffin batter should be lumpy. Spoon the batter into well oiled muffin cups. Bake at 350° for about 25 minutes.

Patsi,

Chill, it was hyperbole. I later qualified my comments to Alicia.

Max:

"Check out what Obama said regarding Iran in 2004. He was the first to talk about using nukes. So let's get the record straight."

Show me a quote. I am not going to just adopt you characterization without some evidence.

(And I doubt very seriously whatever Obama said resulted in a formal complaint being lodged at the U.N.)

I know, I know - we should just say screw the UN and every President should adopt Bush's Neo-Con rhetoric (it has worked out so well for him.....).

BTW Patsi,

Pumpkin Pie is my favorite. Muffins look good, I'm printing the recipe as I type.

Patsi, those muffins sound really good!

Patsi

What no cookies?

Just for you Patsi;-)

Tammy Wynette and Stand By Your Man

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DwBirf4BWew

Jack
Ducking for cover just in case.

And you Clintonites need to stop paroting the GOP talking points that it is a "metaphysical certitude" that Obama will lose the general election and destroy the Dem. party if given the nomination.

It is hollow and self-interested speculation and it ignores several key facts.

-Independents play a much larger role in the general election - and Obama does well with them.

-Obama is attracting new voters - young and old - and this will continue through the Fall. That is a lot of time to sign up new voters to the Democratic party.

-Clinton has increased her negatives during the primary race based on her own actions. Including lying about "sniper fire" to embellish her National Security bona fides and running a more negative campaign than Obama (this is confirmed by exit polls and the actions of the Super Delegates even though the Clintonites will scream both candidates were equally as bad). Obama's negatives are primarily based on guilt by association.

-And we can debate it - but it looks like Obama will be stronger for down-ticket Democrats.

-And finally, with the support of both Clintons, Obama will be able to win over a significant majority of the working class voters now voting for Clinton.

yahoo.com has a video of why Oprah left the church. It's interesting.

PIT, good to know you're still lurking out there. Damned few purplers around here, and I value your perspective. Got a horse in the race? (btw,GLW&TCDR I'll be on the other end of the I-4/528 this summer for a basketball tourney- mid July, great planning, no?).

Max:

And I have talked to people in the GOP that think Obama would be tougher and that Clinton is a sure victory for the Republicans.

I don't think there is a consensus as to which candidate will be tougher - it is too far out to know for certain. But one thing is clear in the GOP - the longer this race goes - the better for McCain. That explains the Faux support for Hillary.

Tammy Wynette - Your Good Girl's Gonna Go Bad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJhTw4WJbwA

Back to work

Jack

NEW THREAD

"But one thing is clear in the GOP - the longer this race goes - the better for McCain. That explains the Faux support for Hillary. " Big statement with no backup for someone who just cried out for links.

So now the press tells candidates when to quit?
by Eric Boehlert

http://mediamatters.org/columns/200804300001

NEW THREAD

Earth to Harold: Wrong network!!!

May 6, 2008

Dear Flatus,

I have officially moved to NBC after a year and productive stint with FOX News. Starting today, you will begin receiving notices about my appearances on NBC and MSNBC news and political shows. With election and economic news increasing, the appearances will be frequent.

This evening starting at 6:00 pm EST, 5:00 pm CST I will join the MSNBC news "Decision 08" team to provide analysis of the election results from Indiana and North Carolina. The coverage will last through the evening.

-- Harold

NEW THREAD

some real drama unfolding about illegal obama campaign action
LIVE news on rtlZ Holland

Thwye refer to some tape on youtube..

"Pumpkin Pie is my favorite. Muffins look good, I'm printing the recipe as I type."

ROFL -- Rez -- one Thanksgiving my son made homeade pumpkin ice cream...OH MY GOD! Fabulous!

Jack --- Tammy was a dear friend. And one of the coolest women I've ever known. I could tell you the backstory behind all the Hillary flap. Tammy "got" why Hillary used her name. Just hated the way she put it.

good afternoon, is there anyone out there in NC? I am so very tired of the media bias. Is there a 'feel' for how it will go tonight?
Why do i get the feeling that chis matthews thinks anyone that doesnt love BHO is a racist?
Why is it always "the clintons this,and the clintons that" I thought SHE was the one running.
Am I the only one in the whole USofA that switched from BHO to HRC?
Does anybody else gigle when folks like bill richardson are so proudly talking about their candidate and all they say is, "he can bring about change...with the change he can bring about...we need change, that barak can bring about....?
what's up with that?

Mr. Crawford

I called into CSPAN tonight and spoke to you. Indeed the sleeper issue of this election: DEATH. If people vote for McCain they vote to continue a REPUBLIKLAN Party FDA that killed thousands of vioxx users, a REPUBLIKLAN NASA that killed 14 astronauts, a REPUBLIKLAN Defense department that killed 1 million innocent Iraqis, a REPUBLIKLAN Mine Safety and Health administration that killed several coal miners and a REPUBLIKLAN FEMA that let thousands die in New Orleans.

I'm proud of America but Ashamed of the REPUBLIKLAN Party. The Republiklan party kills people plain and simple and that gives independent voters several reasons not to vote for McLame.

Go to this website and take back America. http:////democratz.org

Call Republican contributor Rite Aid Pharmacies at 800 325 3737 and tell the person that you want the Rite Aid CEO to get the congress and the President to enact HR 676 single payer universal health care and repeal Medicare Part D and place the drug benefit in Medicare Part B covering 80% of the cost of drugs with no extra premiums, no extra deductibles, no means tests, no coverage gaps, and remove the means test for Medicare Part B and until that happens, you won't buy ANYTHING from Rite Aid.

Call Republican contributor Wendy's restaurants at 614 764 3553 and tell the person in that you want their CEO to get the congress and the President to enact a $10/HR MIN. WAGE into law and until this happens you will not go to a Wendy's Restaurant.

Call your local Exxon/Mobil gas station and tell the manager that you will not get your car repaired there, nor will you buy gasoline there until their parent company sets their price so that they can sell you gasoline for $1.75 a gallon. Then only do business with other gas stations. We will no longer stand for $3 a gallon gasoline.

Call GOP contributor and war contractor General Electric Corporation at 800 386 1215 and tell the person, that you want the GE CEO to get Bush to end the war in Iraq and then Bush resign with Cheney and until that happens you will not buy any GE products and that you will tell your friends. Then call a local appliance store that sells GE products and tell the person you will not buy any GE products from their store until they can convince the GE CEO to convince George W Bush to end the war.

Oh and if someone calls your party the DEMOCRAT PARTY then call their party the REPUBLIKLAN Party.

I heard one of those REPUBLIKLAN FLAGGOTS call into CSPAN tonight.

What does FLAGGOT MEAN? A Flaggot cares too much about the American Flag and not about real issues like the economy, war, death of our citizens by Republiklan party executive agencies like FDA, MSHA, FEMA, DOD, etc.

So what's this about illegal campaign action obo Obama? I also remember reading something re a report in LATimes re a money laundering thing for Obama - what was that about? And why is it so hard to
get info re a connection with Ayers? I heard that his announcement of candidacy was planned at Ayers house. Isn't some of this stuff part of public record?
Also, why didn't Ayers go to prison?

To Whom It May Concern;
Welcome to the New World Order, They say people get the legislators they deserve, GOOD LUCK!!!!! You've got to admire her grit though, to go on to W. Virginia and Kentucky. This looks like a bid to change the power structure in the DNC behind the scenes, maybe that's the change they're touting. How sad that they are all stacked up against her when we know his trip will be a " Howdy Doody" term and nothing will get solved.