Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Craig...

I think Bill protest too much. He would count the Florida and Michigan popular vote while disenfranchising those states that were caucus's that Obama won.

They also don't want to give any of the votes in Michigan to Obama since his name wasn't on the ballot. Don' t sound very fair to me.

But that's just my two cents.

God Bless.

What?!? Vacation's over already? I didn't get all the spring plants I bought in the ground yet...one more day, that's all I need.

is the summer of peace over?

no wait!!!!I got it wrong.
summer of love

Love
'summer of love????

gone poof

It looks like Obama, is the man.

Funny how many people will not be happy with that

very true !

I'm considering Costa Rica....I have heard there are great advantages to living there....

Great article about the race...

http://www.newsweek.com/id/138514

It doesn't matter what anyone says, or what kind of proof you may offer, the O-bots run in blinkers and that's the way they like it. It gives them an excuse for not having seen the light when things "Go Bad", as they will when the tape of Michelle hits the airwaves.
All this talk about assassination is ridiculous. You don't get rid of the puppet, you get rid of the puppeteers. Soldier of Fortune magazine would know....

Morning all...

Haven´t seen the movie yet, but my sister said it is priceless.
And relax everyone: HRC will be the nominee. Keep your eyes on the prize

By the way: is there a website where I can watch the HBO movie recount?

Why didn't Michigan and Florida simply abide by Party rules and not bump up their Primaries ? Now, since the selection is still in process, it's plain to see each of those states could still have had their thunder.
For weeks we read the warnings, yet state leadership proceeded and moved the Primaries up.
The states should not be revisited, the delegates should not be seated, and the heads of the idiots who are to blame for causing the problem should be rolled down the aisles with a stick , in Denver's The Pepsi Center .
OK, there's a lot more to it, right? Fill me in on the gaps i my simplistic view of this, please.
I am saying it's the fault of State leadership, NOT the national Democratic leadership.

Jason, no. HBO introductory packages are cheap, life without HBO is pointless, come on board!

http://www.talkleft.com/2000recap.html
Review of 2000
a nice companion to the HBO recount

Obama's got no margin of error and for him winning the general will be very difficult
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/26/182414/123

If the Clintons' really wanted the nomination, they would hire Jim Baker, the real architect of Bush's post-loss victory. Wish I had HBO to watch this--but not enough to buy it.

Flatus.....Gore Vidal wrote a pretty good book including much about the florida re-count......

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/v/gore-vidal/dreaming-war.htm

another good one is PERPETUAL WAR FOR PERPETUAL PEACE

both non-fiction.......

Hating Hillary

"But Obama himself prepared the ground by making the first gratuitous personal attack of the campaign during the televised Congressional Black Caucus Institute debate in South Carolina on 21 January ...

One of his female staff then distributed a confidential memo to carefully selected journalists which alleged that a vaguely clumsy comment Hillary Clinton had made about Martin Luther King ...

Another female staffer, Candice Tolliver - whose job it is to promote Obama to African Americans - then weighed in publicly, claiming that "a cross-section of voters are alarmed at the tenor of some of these statements" and saying: "Folks are beginning to wonder: Is this an isolated situation, or is there something bigger behind all of this?" That was game, set and match: the Clintons were racists ...

Obama and Axelrod have achieved their objectives: to belittle Hillary Clinton and to manoeuvre the ever-pliant media into depicting every political criticism she makes against Obama as racist in intent."

http://www.newstatesman.com/north-america/2008/05/obama-clinton-vote-usa-media

Craig,
You're an exceptonally insightful and kind person.
But, I cannot figure out how you can look at the abuse, insults and downright cruely on your own site and allow it to continue under your name. You draw people here because of who you are and what you stand for, and then once they're here, you watch the cruelty of what's to follow.

You know who the Chief Offender is, along with two or three in his posse, and yet you choose to ignore it. Doesn't that make you some kind of enabler?

There are many exceptional, interesting, unbelievably articulate, intelligent and caring people here and it can be wonder to observe. But you know the tone and the direction of the conversation is set and guided by one.

Isn't there something sinister about sitting back and watching one person(and his very tiny group of supporters, maybe 3 people) pounce on unexpecting people who think they're in a safe place? Can't you make the one corner of the world that is under your watch a pleasant and fair place to be? Even if you do love him like a brother (or so I heard) don't even really cruel brothers have to be disowned to at times in order to protect the rest of society.

Please open your eye's and do the right thing. Don't give a platform to "mad man". Guard your corner of the world here. You owe it to the good people that come and go and have so much to share. And to keep it safe so the rest of us can listen.

Dexter...

Florida should be seated with half the delegates since it was the Republicans that moved up the Primary. Obama's name was on the ballot but they should still be punished for jumping the gun.

Michigan is another story. The Governor is a personal friend of Hillary and wanted the race over by February 5th as Hillary said the race would be over at that time.

It they want to give Obama some of the vote total for the uncommitted, which Hillary don't, and give the delegates as the Michigan Democratic Party suggested as a fair deal then fine.

However, Hillary don't want Obama to get any of the vote or delegates.

Also the Michigan Courts stopped a new primary, not Obama.

Out of here for the rest of the day.

God Bless.

meg...

Since the Hillary supporters number around 24 or more compared to the 6 or 7 Obama supporters you want Craig to kick us out?

That don't sound very Democratic does it?

And before you take this as a personal attack against you, it is not. Look at it objectively and you will see my point maybe.

God Bless.

The Frogs Desiring a King

The Frogs were living as happy as could be in a marshy swamp
that just suited them; they went splashing about caring for nobody
and nobody troubling with them. But some of them thought that
this was not right, that they should have a king and a proper
constitution, so they determined to send up a petition to Jove to
give them what they wanted. "Mighty Jove," they cried, "send unto
us a king that will rule over us and keep us in order." Jove
laughed at their croaking, and threw down into the swamp a huge
Log, which came downrplashto the swamp. The Frogs
were frightened out of their lives by the commotion made in their
midst, and all rushed to the bank to look at the horrible monster;
but after a time, seeing that it did not move, one or two of the
boldest of them ventured out towards the Log, and even dared to
touch it; still it did not move. Then the greatest hero of the
Frogs jumped upon the Log and commenced dancing up and down upon
it, thereupon all the Frogs came and did the same; and for some
time the Frogs went about their business every day without taking
the slightest notice of their new King Log lying in their midst.
But this did not suit them, so they sent another petition to Jove,
and said to him, "We want a real king; one that will really rule
over us." Now this made Jove angry, so he sent among them a big
Stork that soon set to work gobbling them all up. Then the Frogs
repented when too late.

The Moral Principle and the Material Interest

A MORAL Principle met a Material Interest on a bridge wide enough
for but one.

"Down, you base thing!" thundered the Moral Principle, "and let me
pass over you!"

The Material Interest merely looked in the other's eyes without
saying anything.

"Ah," said the Moral Principle, hesitatingly, "let us draw lots to
see which shall retire till the other has crossed."

The Material Interest maintained an unbroken silence and an
unwavering stare.

"In order to avoid a conflict," the Moral Principle resumed,
somewhat uneasily, "I shall myself lie down and let you walk over
me."

Then the Material Interest found a tongue, and by a strange
coincidence it was its own tongue. "I don't think you are very
good walking," it said. "I am a little particular about what I
have underfoot. Suppose you get off into the water."

It occurred that way.

ambrose bierce by the way......

Jason,

Here is the HBO films website.

http://www.hbo.com/films/index.html

You can't watch on line. They will probably release it in the theater in Europe unless they have a cable arrangement with a european network. Otherwise, it will be avaiable on DVD eventually.

Do you have anyone in the states who might be able to burn you a disk?

I'll chalk it up to just one more disillusionment.

and Sturgeon, I love your stories.
But why don't you just talk to me once in a while.

Hello Meg....how ya doin'?

the second one had nothing to do with anything.........I just like it........lol

Hey Sturge, fine thanks.
Now why don't you just tell me what you think.

Let's try not to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107524/Six-Democrats-Confident-Victory-2008-Election.aspx

meg...

I understand how you feel, I really do. All I want to point out is that when there are 20 or more against a few it brings out the worse since they feel they have to defend themselves and might or will make harmful comments back.

That's all. Take care, have a good day and ...

God Bless.

meg...

And by the way I also have done that as well, so not excluding myself.

God Bless.

Sorry meg....bear voiced your same concern yesterday and i kinda spoke to it a bit.......I just always look for an excuse to post that frog story......

I place some of the blame on Craig for not always touching the steering wheel to keep this bus on the road. When it got so bad that he even boycotted his own site, I thought someone would get the hint.

Posted by: Bear | May 26, 2008 11:48 AM

there is no point in blaming craig for not intervening.....once one intervenes one steps off onto a slippery slope which winds up in Constant Supervision and endless settling of disputes........and endless rules.....craig has made his feelings known much more than once. all should self police....like adults, or at least decent children.......

"I will if HE will"

"Stop touching me"

etc

Posted by: sturgeone | May 26, 2008 11:57 AM

ha ha ha .......

Deus ex Craigina

Sturge,

I can't believe you think this is just about me and my feelings. It's not. And I want to make that clear. But your point is well taken. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Maybe you should post a sign at the entrance of the site. Speak at your own risk.

Have a good day all.

Meg,

Ignore the person who offends you. Responding only triggers more of the garbage.

A friend of mine told me some advice his father had given him. "Consider the source, and rise above it."

In this case the rising above part is a pretty low standard and should be easy to do.

sorry meg......Im just a visitor here same as you.....I have no weight here other than what I post .....I do not wish to criticise you or what you post, and sorry that's what i did......youre right about the state of this blog and the reason for it......I wish something would happen to improve the manners here, my own included.........but as long as bile continues to run free it certainly IS a case of speak at your own risk and the heat/kitchen deal.....been that way for quite some time.....I have no idea what to do about it........

Are "Meg" and "Heather" the same person?

IMHO...the 7:20 post by "Meg" seems very "Heather"-like.

I'm just sayin'...

Sheila...I just caught up with last night's thread and saw your late post.
Please don't worry anymore. Just go on being yourself here. You're a good person at heart, and I don't want to lecture you anymore because that's really not my place. So I'll try to just leave it alone. Fair enough?

Thank You Lard. Fair enough.

Hey
Craig
The DNC are floundering idiots

God bless their little hearts.
LOL

Silly fools
Florida is solidly in McCains column
Michigan is in play.

Bumbling , fumbling doofus
The DNC

Politics
It is about power.
This time the only power
the DNC has
is to shoot themselves in the foot.

Aren't they great?

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote divided government
Vote McCain

For the history and military buffs, this should be interesting: Why did the Navy pay for the search for The Tittanic and what did it have to do with the cold war?

http://natgeochannel.co.uk/Programmes/Custom/Titanic/Intro.aspx?Id=823

I think the general plea here is for common courtesy, decency and fair play......who can or would argue against that?
as long as there is someone here who chooses to utter indefensible remarks like telling a lady she should go chew her cud, or that she and her friends belong to a coven, or rides a broom, or the like, with no restraint, and people here who defend such rancorous spew, common decency will go out the window.......I guess I'm here too much, but at least the holiday is over and I'll go back to work.......maybe if I had a yard to tend I wouldnt belabor the blog so much.......lol..........
anyway...........I dont think craig wants to be the "officer" who has to enforce rules of common decency.....he has enough to do and I think he expects the persons here to learn to act like adults without enforcement of regulations, etc etc........but craig has made his observations known along the way enough for everyone to have the general idea........

but then Im just another bozo on the bus.

Thank you, Thank you, and next time you must come to my house.
--Robt. Heinlein

Hey
Jamie

Great tease.
Got me hooked

I'm a sucker for that stuff.

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote divided government
Vote McCain

Wish I could watch the movie. Must be interesting.

However, I am not thinking that the Primary here is in the same league as the 2000 general Election.

Two States breaking the rules....well in the end, rules are rules and it has nothing to do with the Candidates and everything to do with the DNC's decission.

I can agree that some will think the election was stolen from Senator Clinton. But with all the Math Spinning and supposing, I can understand the difficulty when someone believes so whole heartedly that there candidate is best.

But rules are rules. (1) Iowa and New Hampshire, for better or worse, were deamed the first states and its been a tradition. (2) Delegates have been ruled the way in which, we get our votes counted. (3) the popular Vote argument is just that an argument.

The rules commitee has a very hard meeting on Saturday. Good Luck to them.

Sturg, nice post. Very eloquent.

Pugnacious

Apparently, the Navy hired Dr. Ballard and his wonderful little subs to go hunting for the Thresher and the Scorpion (he found them - top secret at the time). In exchange, they agreed to pay for 12 additional days for him to hunt for the Titanic. There is going to be some wonderful background history and pictures on this.

Meg Thanks for Speaking up for Civility.

Hey
I had to laugh yesterday.

all the obsessing over a troll
one clueless
Pathetic
troll

Is the troll politically savy?
Not so much
An
idiot.

LOL
He knows you.
Expert there.
LOL

Punch your buttons
hear you scream.

LOL

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote divided government
Vote McCain

Sheila,

Admittedly, Lanny Davis is a Clinton proponent, so this article leans in that direction, but there is a great deal of useful background information here.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10614.html

The major problem is that the DNC really messed up the handling and as a result the voters (not the party) are the ones who suffered. This has created a lot of hard feelings that could injure the Democratic candidate in November. That makes it very important that a compromise be reached, not so much for the candidate's benefit, but rather one that will make the voters happy.

Florida feels as if it has been cheated before. We don't need Michigan joining them in the insulted column.

CQ has a great idea so MSNBC steals it

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24672458/

I don't get why Hillary's numbers against McCain are still going up by the day and Obama's numbers are pretty much staying put. Her numbers went up even after her Kennedy remark. I don't understand what is going on out there. I know it's early for looking at November numbers but there is something about these numbers that have to be looked at. The Supers need to take a good look at this also what happens in the next three primaries. Also if the decision on Saturday is to have FL and MI do a revote. It would be interesting to see the new results in FL after the HBO movie.

If someone saw the movie what was the nic name of the REB person who they sent into assist Harris in making her decision. Also what was the actors name who played the part. It was a perfect part for him to play

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May27.html

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/May27.html

Jamie...

I really don't want my comment to be taken out of context, however Hillary boasted that the race would be over on February 5th and didn't believe that Michigan or Florida votes would be needed.

Only when she saw that she needed them to get more of the popular vote and pledged delegates did she start talking that they were being disenfranchised.

I have already stated my opinion about both Florida and Michigan and I still stand by it.

Hope this doesn't start a war again over the votes of the two states.

God Bless.

We all know that the person losing would want to have FL and MI count if it made any difference no matter what they said back in January when they moved the date. It just happens to be Hillary but we know Obama would want it to count if it was reversed and Hillary would be fighting it. You would be doing the same thing if you were them.

AP

You always give a reasoned opinion and you are always a gentleman about it. I just happen to believe that the voters are the most important consideration and their desires should be placed above those of both the candidates and the party.

This whole election has been bedeviled by media, power players, money men, internet wars and general shenanigans that had little to nothing to do with an honest process to determine the will of the public.

This sort of thing goes on in every election, but this one has been the worst in my lifetime for ugliness and manipulaiton and actually makes me fear for the Democratic process.

vadaryl...

See my earlier comment about seating of Florida and thoughts on Michigan in a reply I left to Dexter at 7:16am.

God Bless.

Jamie...

I had read that the Michigan Democratic Party had offered a solution and the Hillary campaign turned it down.

I don't remember where it was, but the idea was that she didn't want to give Obama anything.

I could be wrong so you may have to do a search to see if I am since I don't remember where or when it occurred.

God Bless.

Jamie,

I agree with your "feelings" on this. But My opinion is that it is too late this time around for anyone to juggle the rules and change them after the fact.

In my opinion, Florida's should be seated as stands. But as a member of the Michigan disenfranchised, Unless my vote for Obama gets counted too, It would be unfair. That was just plain wrong to not count my vote.

Rules are rules and Michigan's corrupt bunch of Yahoos did that to me, not the DNC.

mornin' all.

Well, I spent the weekend bemoaning the fact that Mrs. P forced me to go to Orlando (have I ever mentioned that I hate visiting Orlando? - sorry Craig, but JHC, dcould they come up with a more convoluted road system? I think not.) But from my brief perusal of this morning's comments about the weekend's posts, I think I'd rather have been in Orlando.

So anything at all happening worth noting - other than sturgeon getting me chuckling at yet another Firesign Theater reference?

Glad to see you are safely ensconced in your new digs, Sheila. Hope the trip was evntful, but safe.

VAD, I saw the HBO movie over the weekend, but you've lost me with your question. I think you may be asking about Bruce Magill - he played Walter Hagen in The Legend of Bagger Vance, but his signature role was as D-Day in Animal House (not to mention the Sheriff in My Cousin Vinny).

hmmm. Anon-p, We are thinking the same thing.

Through 5/26

Clinton beats McCain who beats Obama

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/

This actually surprises me as I keep wondering who would vote for McCain after the incredibly rotten job the Republicans have done in Congress and the Presidency.

Bruce Magill is right. When he first came on the movie the character's title was displayed and it was a nic name and don't remember what it was.

Sheila...

I totally agree with you. Florida was screwed up by the Republicans and they should lose half their delegates just like the Republicans lost half of theres.

Michigan was changed by the Governor who is a personal friend of Hillary and the Democratic Party of Michigan went along with it.

I also agree that something needs to be done, however it needs to be fair to both candidates.

It is also wrong to blame the DNC for this as they had nothing to do with the changing of the dates.

Also the Michigan Supreme Court over ruled a new primary and not Obama which no one will acknowledge and blame him for not wanting a revote which would have than disenfranchised voters who did not vote because they were told the vote would not count and they would not be allowed to vote in the re vote.

Only those who originally voted would have been allowed to vote and I believe that's why the Michigan Court stopped a new primary vote.

But then again that's just my two cents worth.

God Bless.

Sheila,

I actually favor letting Obama have all of the "uncommitted" votes and anything that went to anyone other than Clinton, purely on the basis that if they weren't "for" her then they were "against" her and he is the only "against" candidate left. Also, his campaign was putting out the message to vote "uncommitted" even though he wasn't on the ballot with all the other names. Those voters may have genuinely liked one of the other candidates other than Hillary, but they aren't around any more and she shouldn't get the benefit of their numbers.

"Her numbers went up even after her Kennedy remark"

Hey
Vadaryl

Your not a baby.
You know why.

Numbers
15% a gaga for a kennedy
Rest of the world
Not so much

60%
Kennedy punch line for a dirty joke

The more Obama man hugs a Kennedy
the more
the dirty joke
is Obama's

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote divided government
Vote McCain

Either revote both states or make the delegates Supers and let them vote for whoever they want.

Bruce McGill - Mac Stipanovich

Thanks Jamie, Then we are in agreement. ;0)

Was Mac the character name, but they also gave him a nic name.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/05/hbos-next-florida-thriller.html#comment-89290

Meg, regarding your concerns about abusive dialogue here. I wish it would stop, but I set up this blog (and its forerunners) as an open thread and that's how it remains. Please consider advice from others on today's thread about simply ignoring nasty comments. For both sides surely it's obvious that responding only begets more of the same, if not an escalation of hostilities.

vadaryl

That is the way he is listed in the cast list and those always come from the official credits because of award considerations. He was known in political circles as "Mac The Knife". Is that what you wanted?

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE3D6123BF934A25752C1A9669C8B63

Craig what did you think of the HBO movie?

Yes that's what I wanted Mac the Knife. Thanks!

As a NH resident, I watched over the years as other states moved up their primary dates. NH actually has a state law that requires it to have its primary first. So as all this jockeying was taking place NH held back annoncing when it would hold its primary. Now the DNC has always allowed NH to be the first Primary. The blame for this goes all around. States wanting to get in on the early primary since it helps them gain influence as kingmakers. Candidates were also working to frontload the process. Edwards spent years in Iowa, and it didn't even help.

So in my opinion there is plenty of blame to spread around. Plus the setup with caucus, & primary & weighted delegate counts it is a disaster. No wonder it is a mess. So it will all be over in a little while.

The ironic this is that all the promises that the candidates make probably won't happen any way. Universal health care, unlikely, end the war, not right away. Fix the energy crisis, think that will happen soon. There are so many competing forces in play that whomever moves into the White House next January is going to have a tough time getting their agenda going.

I had a boss at work named Dave about 11-12 years ago. From time to time the people I worked with would get into fights/arguments with each other. Each time this would happen , the next night Dave would ask some of us questions about whatever happened the night before. My typical response was "I wasn't paying attention. I don't know what this person said to the other person that made them so angry." Non-involvement was crucial. Whenever there was a conflict within the team of people I worked with our boss would always take his hands and rub his cheeks and say "In the future...." Anyway , people got mad because Dave was terrible at resolving conflicts between people. It was as if he was afraid to handle conflicts. One night , I had a meeting with Dave and he acknowledged this and told me his reason for being like that. He had a professor in college who verbally berated a female student one day in front of the entire class. This girl broke down in tears in front of everyone. Dave said , "From that moment on I decided I would never do that to anyone." So , Dave basically held out the hope that because we were adults we could resolve our conflicts without him having to get involved.

re Fl primary snafu, shouldn't the validity of votes in FL's congressional primary races be questioned and also nullified by the DNC just to be consistent?
Have some compassion for that poor FL voter who hazarded traffic, stood in lines, lost wages in some cases, felt good and full of pride for voting that day. What do you tell him or her? Your vote counted in this federal race but not in that one. Your vote counted to assure paper trails in future elections, but there's nothing in this one for you.

That's it...I'm writing in Sturge this election!

your self-pictures are trickling in, but hoping others to come for our next gang video (for our June 7 Third Anniversary).

if you want your picture included in a video of Trail Mix regulars, please send it cqtrailmix@verizon.net

and be sure to indicate whether you want your Trail Mix screen name identified with your picture in the video

as a sample, here's our 2006 video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eefpydKD4v8

a paean to the end of holiday:

Up in the morning, out on the job
work like the devil for my pay
But that lucky old sun, got nothing to do
But roll around heaven all day

now i fuss with my woman
and toil with my kids
sweat till I'm wrinkled and gray
but that lucky old sun, got nothing to do
but roll around heaven all day

dear lawd above cant you see I'm cryin'
I got tears all in my eyes
why dont you send me down that cloud
with the silver lining.......and lift me up to paradise

show me that river and take me on across
wash all my troubles away
just like that lucky old sun I'll have nothing to do
but roll around heaven all day

"When a nation brings a cult of personality leader to power, it is typically at a low point in its national self-confidence and finds an outsider to rule over them in the hope he will save them from themselves. With a slim record and a campaign built primarily around his outgoing personality, Obama is America’s biggest mistake waiting to be made. Let’s not play any part in making it."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/27/obama-and-the-jews/#more-2727

Gordo,

you are being boring again. Is Larry paying you for your spamming this forum?

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

GORDO...

Don't think that "cult-of-personality" hypothesis rings true.

Ike was such ay leader, and he came in when U.S. was cruising along at peak power and self-confidence.

Same goes for JFK.

gordo

"O brave new world! That has such people in't!"
shakespeare, The Tempest

Love Frankie Laine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4x0n9q_mjg

Of course once Craig has the video done, he might consider this as part of the show in honor of

"The Late Unpleasantness"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxrWz9XVvls&feature=related

There's much more to that article, such as: "Just as Hitler was an Austrian ruling over Germany, Stalin was an Ossetian ruling over Russia, Obama is an African Arab with a Muslim background positioning himself for the White House."

gordo is in the "cult-of-personality"

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

I have always enjoyed Craig's commentary both here and elsewhere, but it appears that he is really carrying the Clinton's water of late. He sounds more like Howard or Terry than he does a serious commentator.

Which is fine of course - as long as this isn't disguised as real political commentary as opposed to advocacy.

I have to find a decent pic of me... I took some pictures in Paris and Amsterdam lately... I'll check and see if I look ok.

Re: Pics for Craig's Trailmixers regulars

Oh yeah, Craig! I like your site so much better than Daily Kos. Who the heck is this guy and why do so many people march in step with him?

Hey
sturgeone
Last word on little troll
Then will STFU.

OK?

As a Newbie , just looking in
Troll baby
sets the standard.

Play with trolls
Have a big troll party

Want to be highbrow
Learned?
Then play "Highbrow , Learned"

high brow, learned
bores trolls.
They leave or change

Hey
Where is my club
Back to politics
F#%k this troll poo

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote divided government
Vote McCain

"Craig what did you think of the HBO movie? -- Posted by: vadaryl"

loved it, as i noted in today's post. was amazed they could so smoothly work in many details of the miserably complex legal machinations and still make such a compelling drama. it almost creates a new genre, the political horror movie

What took so long for a movie to be made about this? Next movie should be on Bush and Gore.

I like that, political horror movie. I think the screenplay for a new one is in development right now. Starring:

Hillary - the rancher that does not know how to quit
Obama - as the stranger that rides into town and steals their hearts.
McCain - as the old sherrif who wants to make sure the town isn't over run by newcomers

Edwards - the smooth talking gambler that lost it all
Huckabee - the preacher man
Guiliani - the merchant of patent medicine

Anybody want to help with the rest of the cast?

and for those who are shy about putting their face pic in a video, you can always send a pic of your pet, garden, or anything else reasonably tasteful that reflects you in some way. send to cqtrailmix@verizon.net

Craig, what do you think will happen on Saturday when they decided what to do with FL & MI?

AP, and others - I have done a little poking about and have seen several references to the vote to move the FL primary before the DNC rules allowed haveing been unanimous in the FL legislature. Are those references accurate? If so, the FL Dems can't now argue that the Republicans moved the date, and I hope the FL dems running for reelection have their hats handed to them for voting for a Republican bill that would have the effect of stripping FL of its delegates voting in August. Any FL lawmaker who voted for the bill to move the primary is, in my opinion, estopped from making the argument that the primary should count depite the DNC rules tot he contrary. If anyone who has the inclination to ferret out the FL laegislature's voting record on the bill, I'd like to see it - but I'm too lazy to try and drill down (I hate that term) to it.

Michigan is a different kettle of fish. If Granholm, the Dem governor, signed a bill sponsored by Dems moving the primary, she and Debbie Dingell should shut the hell up. As tot he delegates, they are estopped. They gambled to change the nominating process and not lose their delegate votes in the process and have probably lost at least the second half of that gamble. But as to the process that puts NH & IA as first and unduly important, argue away.

Oh, and I do still support Clinton and will bemoan Obama's nomination. But this is about integrity and consistency.

bowman,
how about Kucinich as the town drunk?

Yep. Just quit about 5 minutes ago. Haven't you heard?

ET

KOS is very well financed and connected far left proponent. He looks good and talks well on TV and has been able to stage massive conventions due to those connections ... The crowd just naturally follows.

pogo...

As I understand it the reason the Florida Dem's went along with the change in the primary vote was because the Republicans offered to go back to a paper trail for the voting machines thereby removing the paperless machines for the elections.

To get the paper trail back they had to go along with the Republicans on the primary move to a earlier date or not get rid of the troubling paperless machines.

So yes they did go along as they had no other way to change the voting machine problems Florida had with the Diebold and other paperless voting issues.

God Bless.

Hey
An early jump here
But Fla, MI
Sooooooo boring
silly Democrat games
Who cares.

Some early VP polls
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZjU1MjgxMmFlYWM0NGFkZWM2Yjc5NjQxY2I3Njg4YWE=

Hey
From
Myth of the prairie queen

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZmY4Y2RmOWVmZDY2Yjg2MDUzYTMyYjU5ODU3NjQ3M2M=&w=MA==

"McCain defeating Obama in Philadelphia? Now that’s the sort of political miracle only Kathleen Sebelius could deliver"

God I love it!!!
Go Kansas!!!!!

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote divided government
Vote McCain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGd6nNPyeaw&feature=related

AP, talk about a Hobson's choice! But a choice (IMHO the correct one) nonetheless.

Bowman

Romney - Oily but charming City Slicker
Richardson - Rumpled somewhat boozy newsman

If this is true - Yep. Just quit about 5 minutes ago. Haven't you heard? Then why is it not the top story on all the web sites? Also Carville has not written out the check yet.

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/05/john-mccain-a-2.html

McCain and his gambling lobbying buddies and one of the stories that Pugnacious doesn't want you to think about

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Peeps? Here's what Peeps are!

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Peeps

bowman

andrea mitchell as the saloon singer a la dietrich.

tweety as the sniveling coward that tells the bad guys which way the hero went.

"Sebelius may not be the most popular governor Kansas has had, but she’s the most popular governor the Kansas press has ever had."

From the NR article link posted by pugnacious.

This is the big problem with offering Sebelius as an alternative to Clinton as VP. The Clinton supporters are already angry at the media for selecting Obama as their beloved. Putting a second media darling on the ticket is not likely to sooth any ruffled feathers.

Kucinich - The guy worried that others are after his Lucky Charms

Gravel- The rock-throwing Grandpa telling the other candidates to get off his lawn.

"Craig, what do you think will happen on Saturday when they decided what to do with FL & MI? -- Posted by: vadaryl"

they actually do not have to make a decision, and certainly not on Saturday if they don't want to. that's my best guess, that it will be a hearing only with no decision announced until later

Craig, the way this primary season has gone you just might have it correct. Won't the media just love that decision.

good morning gang....

just caught up on today's posts..... Rick and I went away to Portsmouth, NH for the weekend...... Strawberry Bank forever.....

sounds like it was the usual "fun" here over the weekend..... oh well.... don't have time to read it....

Craig...... making a new video.... I have a picture of Rick and I riding the "people mover" in Tremblant Quebec.... I'll get Rick to help me upload it tonight....

Meg.... don't take it personal about sturg..... he always talks cryptic to everyone..... I for one.... luv him for it.... and others here have learned to ignore the crap..... you know..... kinda like you have to in "real life"....

oh yeah...... I forgot....

Bowman..... let's get Mike Gravel to play the bartender....

Sturge , give us a verse or two of your wisdom.

Craig if you are on any shows this week I hope you say the same thing you said here about the decision. It would be interesting to hear their response to you.

For all you music lovers , Reverand Al Green has a new cd out today.

Does anyone but me feel that Lieberman is being obnoxious just for the entertainment of Pissing off people.

I know every time I see his smirky face and hear that nasal voice, it is the desire for the brick through the TV Screen time.

Re MI / FL
And BTW, welcome back Sheila.
Michigan has been trying to displace New Hampshire for about 30 years now. It is not the first time they have tried this. The last time they did it was in the last election cycle and Terry McAuliffe and the Dems allowed them 50% of their votes.
Each cycle they go before the DNC and plead their case and a vote is taken ... they always lose but it is by no means unanimous. Their argument is that neither Iowa nor NH are representative of the country as a whole nor of the Democratic electorate.
Second point ... Kucinich and Dodd were also on the ballot in Michigan. It has been reported here that Dodd, Obama, and Edwards agreed to remove their names from the ballot as a sop to NH but they did not inform the HRC campaign. They withdrew their names from the ballot at the last possible moment (except Dodd reneged) so that HRC could not do so. The Obama campaign then began an on-air and word of mouth campaign that people should vote uncommitted.
Florida's a different case ... but the FL Dems did everything they could short of standing on their head in the corner and spitting nickels ... first to keep the primary date from being moved and then to get a waiver from the DNC. BTW, while neither candidate may have campaigned...both had supporters who were campaigning like crazy.
The Obama supporters make the argument that if he had personally been able to appear in Florida, she would not have won by as large a margin as she did ... but there is no empirical evidence that that is so.

I don't think any talking head would say that they don't have to make a decision on Saturday.

GORDO: Thank you for your earlier post about events in South Carolina. I am one who has always been angered that the Obama campaign got away with the racist remarks talking points memo ... yes, Russert did question Sen Obama about it once ... but there was never any follow-up, either by Russert at the time or the MSM.
More than anything else in this campaign, I personally am absolutely livid that Sen Obama's campaign, his surrogates, and the cable news networks felt that it was necessary to turn Bill Clinton into a racist in order to diminish Sen Clinton's chances. IMO it was a scurrilous thing to do ... and not at all necessary.

Ever since CQ posted an article about General Odum's Grand Bargain with Iran, bloggers have been debating which side Obama would take. Most said that McCain and Hillary would advocate more of and Stick/Carrot approach and set some pre-conditions and creating intial leverage on talks with Iran. While Obama has talked about "tough diplomacy", he has been careful not to embrace the Odum approach.

Now it seems Zbig's article in WAPO advocates a position that Obama will be embracing. Just to be clear, Obama talked of nuking Iran back in 2004. Then he flipped position and called Hillary's Iran position Bush-like will talking tough to AIPAC.. Then he said he never said he would talk to Ahmadinejad and his advisor Rice said pretty much what Hillary had said, but added that Obama would work his way up the chain of Iranian officials eventually telling them that unless Iran stops supporting terror and enrichment, US force will be Israel as a last resort. What isn't clear are the many contradictions and what Obama's plan B and C rally are.

Now this:

http://armchairgeneralist.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/05/dealing-with-ir.html

Don't forget that Zbig baited the Soviets into Afghanistan and left the US unprepared to enforce his Carter Gulf Doctrine. Words are always easier to say than impliment. It appears Obama is heading the US towards the Grand Bargain and unlike Reagan has discarded verification or even visible rewards beyond allowing some US face (to only US voters) to pull US forces out of the region as Hamas and Hizb"Allah celebrate our departure.

Jamie: I have to laugh at your comment about Lieberman. If you did not see Recount -- he is featured only briefly and then as a thorn in the side of the campaign. Too funny...
As a Jew, I was enormously proud when VP Gore selected him to be on the ticket, and I thought Gore showed quite a bit of political courage ... but my enthusiasm lasted about 30 minutes.
Strangely enough, when he ran for President himself, I remember remarking to my daughter that America would elect a black Christian male before it would ever elect a Jew (of any gender) or a woman.

jamie, I don't kow how good, but you are in company. If he's going to be on the tube, i move to a room with a cheap old rug and tv just in case I can't control the urge to hurl or hurl something at it.

Renee , are the Pistons and Celtics gonna go 7 games now? Looks that way.

Soory for the typos....

Ever since CQ posted an article about General Odum's Grand Bargain with Iran, bloggers have been debating which side Obama would take. Most said that McCain and Hillary would advocate more of a Stick/Carrot approach and set some pre-conditions while creating intial leverage on talks with Iran. While Obama has talked about "tough diplomacy", he has been careful not to embrace the Odum approach.

Now it seems Zbig's article in WAPO advocates a position that Obama will be embracing. Just to be clear, Obama talked of nuking Iran back in 2004. Then he flipped position and called Hillary's Iran position Bush-like while talking tough to AIPAC.. Then he said he never said he would talk to Ahmadinejad and his advisor Rice said pretty much what Hillary had said, but added that Obama would work his way up the chain of Iranian officials eventually telling them that unless Iran stops supporting terror and enrichment, US force will be used as a last resort. What isn't clear are the many contradictions and what Obama's plan B and C rally are.

Now this:

http://armchairgeneralist.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/05/dealing-with-ir.html

Don't forget that Zbig baited the Soviets into Afghanistan and left the US unprepared to enforce his Carter Gulf Doctrine. Words are always easier to say than impliment. It appears Obama is heading the US towards the Grand Bargain and unlike Reagan has discarded verification or even visible rewards beyond allowing some US face (to only US voters) to pull US forces out of the region as Hamas and Hizb"Allah celebrate our departure.

Once this is all over, I can only hope the DNC draws up all the RULES and PUNISHMENTS in advance. High on my list of suggestions:

Don't start the contest so early

Work out a geographic rotation of several "super primaries"

Get rid of the weighted delegates

Get rid of the supers. They are more trouble than they are worth. Increase the number of delegates and force them to run just as they did before or give them "non voting" convention passes.

Max: Vis a vis foreign policy ... it seems to be that the wiser course would be the course politicians used to take ... outline a broad general principle (such as we're opposed to Iran developing nuclear weapons) and then refuse to discuss hypothetical situations ... none of these candidates has a clue in the world what things will be like in January 2009 or even going forward.
Personally I am incensed at GWB offering nuclear technology to the Saudis, since it is my opinion that we are in Iraq because of them ... it will be found, I am sure, that they blackmailed or coerced us into leaving our air base in Saudi Arabia until we agreed to remove the threat of Saddam Hussein from their border.

"Evidenced by his list of supporters, from Ayers Dohrn, Hayden and Fonda, to the New Black Panthers, the New SDS, the New Winter Soldiers, et al., the radical Left has annointed Obama as the One. Every aging, anti-war, anti-capitalist group and their new offshoots are flocking around Obama like moths to a flame.

To these rabid Marxist radicals, Obama is the One, because he’s probably their last chance to see socialism triumph on our own soil. They have grasped the reality of their own mortality."

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTNkNTU5MjE2MjUwNmQ2MWQ3YWRlYjhmNzQ4OTQyOGU=&w=MA==

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

LOL
you are what?
LOL
What a nick.

A link to a left wing slander sheet.
Koolaid drinkers only

Real facts
McCain,

solid reputation for oppossing government corruption.

Can we say
McCain / Feingold
I knew we could.

Without McCain
No exposure of the worst government corruption in 50 years.
Can we say Jack Abramoff

There
Enough slander
Facts!!!

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote divided government
Vote McCain

Jamie....
whenever I see Lieberman I say to Rick "where's my barf bag"..... he always laughs....

Corey..... we did watch Saturday's game at our hotel.... we didn't stay up to watch last night's game..... after seeing the score online this morning, it looks like the Celtics traded places with the Pistons from Saturday's game..... and yeah.... I bet it goes 7 games..... I wish they wouldn't start the games so damn late..... I kinda turn back into a pumpkin around 10:30 pm.....

Oh and work toward either eliminating the caucus or provide a way to include the disenfranchised voters in caucus states.

Gordo: I am certain that the National Review article contains some decent analysis, because the opposition party is almost always better at seeing the flaws in the other party (goes both ways)...however, there are certain so-called conservatives who still see socialism under every rock they turn over. Social welfare is not socialism ... strangely enough, it is the conservatives who have the radical ideas. Few Democrats support the idea of nationalizing important industries, while many many Republicans are strongly in favor of privatizing government services. Is there any place else on earth, for instance, where prisons are run by private companies?

There
Enough slander
Facts!!!

I guess if you say it long enough a few will start to believe that stuff

sorry not buying what you are selling

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

I have always been curious why the Democratic Party hasn't allowed some states to do a winner take all primary system. I wonder if it's because that screams of expediency and efficiency, two things often lacking in politics.

On a more serious note, does anyone know of any chain of gas stations that don't charge for air? Besides losing you AC in the hot Texas spring, nothing is worse than paying $.75 for air for two 2 tires...

Bear: The Dems used to have winner take all primaries. 1968 put and end to that. There is nothing wrong with proportional allocation of delegates. What is wrong--it seems to me--is weighted proportionality. That came about in 1988 when Rev Jackson did so well in the primaries. As someone who voted for him, I had hoped he would be offered the VP slot ... now I wish he had been.
As for air in tires ... it is actually against the law in CA to charge for air if you buy gas at the station...but it is never enforced. My daughter's significant other has a little device that can be used at home ... plug it in, set the tire pressure, attach the hose ... and presto! Works real great for little old ladies like me who can no longer manage the air hoses at service stations.

Jamie: Reviewing your comment about Super Delegates ... I agree we should get rid of them. What good are they? Apparently everyone has the idea that they have to vote for the candidate with the most pledged delegates, when the original idea was that they would step in if it became apparent that that candidate was going to be a disaster. So, if they can't overturn the pledged delegates, why have them at all?

And BTW, there is no rule or law requiring even pledged delegates to vote as directed ... if it became apparent that the presumed nominee could not run, the pledged delegates would be free to caucus among themselves and change their votes.

Thanks for the info maggisd...

I agree with your assessment of weighting delegates based on congressional districts.

If you are going to apportion delegates by percentage, it should be for the entire state so that one candidate can't drive the vote in certain areas to make up for a total shortcoming statewide.

I forgot that the price of air compressors has come down. I will have to look for a decent one today...

Maggie

The air in California is enforced but you have to be able to do it for yourself. Just go in and tell them you want free air. They are required to turn on the machine.

Bear: What I found most instructive were the county by county maps that John King developed at CNN. The states where the proportional weighting worked most in Obama's favor were Texas and California. Despite the fact that both states had more widespread Hispanic populations that voted in higher numbers for Sen Clinton, the Hispanic voters did not have a history of voting for Democratics in overwhelming percentages. Thus, a largely AA district won by Obama garnered 5 votes to every 4 votes garned by Hillary in an Hispanic district.

Jamie: You're kidding me. I just have to ask? Why didn't I know that?
Of course, I never do my own air ... I can get down to the tires but I'd never get back up. There's usually a pleasant young man about who'll do it for me ... my daughter says I remind everyone of their grandmother...

Bear,

next time you need tires, buy them at Discount Tire. They will rotate and air up your tires for free. you can buy a little insurance for the tires you buy there and they will replace the tires if they can not be repaired when you have a flat for the cost of the tax on the tire.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Dooty,

Forgot about the free air pressure check among the other goodies. That is the reason I just got two tires from Discount Tire.

Gotta go ... errands.

Bear, air is free at all the SuperAmerica stations around here, but I don't know whether they are regional or nationwide - plus their gas is as cheap as anyone's except Sam's Club.

Barack’s Sixth Sense?

Maybe he really is the anointed one. I mean, how many other candidates see dead people? Here’s Barack speaking yesterday in New Mexico:

"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes — and I see many of them in the audience here today — our sense of patriotism is particularly strong."

Shades of Haley Joel Osment–Barack is seeing dead guys.

Barack the walking, talking gaffe machine is the gift that keeps on giving.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/27/baracks-sixth-sense/

The other candidates just get dead people to vote, they never really see them.

Obama doesn’t seem to be doing all that badly in conservative Ohio from this morning’s Columbus Dispatch and a new recent SurveyUSA poll.

“The day after a Quinnipiac University poll of Ohio showed several bad signs for Sen. Barack Obama last week, a new poll indicated a much brighter outlook for the Illinois Democrat.

Quinnipiac had Obama losing by 4 points to Sen. John McCain, while SurveyUSA showed Obama beating the Arizona Republican by 9 points.” And that’s in Ohio!!!

(Piece on lower part of page…not the state Dann scandal.)

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/05/27/CAPCTY27.ART_ART_05-27-08_B2_40AAGA0.html?sid=101

But , Belle Tire has "out-the-door-pricing"! They also used to have this hot girl in their commercials. Too bad they stopped airing those commercials!

Just think, next Wednesday it could be all over. What are we going to chat about until the conventions. It's going to be boring. I guess we will have a few days to discuss VP selections. If Hillary calls it quits, come July we may wish she stayed in it just to have something to chat about. Bush/Channey are not going to do muchr. Obama and McCain are not going to go after each other to much until after the conventions.

The RFK comment is old news now. She said it back in March too and no one made a big deal out of it. Is this all they have to talk about. See it's already starting to get boring, wait for a few weeks and it will get worse.

Vad- It's kinda like the old NBC promo when they were talking about the Summer re-runs of their fall tv shows:

"Sure , they're re-runs...but if you haven't seen them...they're NEW TO YOU!"

Jamie,

"The Clinton supporters are already angry at the media for selecting Obama as their beloved. Putting a second media darling on the ticket is not likely to sooth any ruffled feathers".-Jamie

The reporting I've seen suggests that Hill's camp would be more angered for him selecting another woman over her.

Maggisd,

Thx for comments inre Socialism vs social democracy.

"because he’s probably their last chance to see socialism triumph on our own soil." -Gordo

Pogo,

Here's a link I received recently from a buddy obsessed with going after BushCo. I thought you may find it useful down the road more so than me. If it's old, useless or uninteresting please disregard. It's an 11 pager pdf.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2008/043008aftergood.pdf

The Supers had since March to digest that comment and they did nothing with it. If the Kenndy's had no problem with it then let it go. They are the ones most affected by the comment. it didn't bother them in March and it does not now.

jamie,

the wife and I have bought several sets of tires from Discount Tires for different cars that we have owned. Free balance is another freebie. I think it is smart buying because it allows you to keep the tires in good condition without having to spend an arm and a leg. We have saved the cost of the "free replacement" deal several times over from the road hazard flats that have ruined tires in the past.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Vadaryl- Last night I posted a link to a story about the uneaasy co-existence of NBC News and MSNBC. NBC is considered to be reporting news , while MSNBC is reporting their opinions.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080526/ap_en_tv/ap_on_tv_nbc_s_critics;_ylt=AqWBOwjUlD3IVXgzqaIvzNSs0NUE

What would MSNBC do if Obama made the comment. It would of been a one day story if one at all.

He wouldn't make that comment. *ZING!* LOL! I'm kidding , of course.

swiftboating has begun and McCain says this group is a fine group

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/05/mccain-calls-sw.html

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Thanks,Rez. An interesting read.

What would MSNBC do if Obama made the comment. It would of been a one day story if one at all.

Posted by: vadaryl | May 27, 2008 1:56 PM

To read postings on Daily Kos the MSM has been "in the tank" with Hillary, giving her a free pass. I about spit out my coffee reading that one.

This Kos guy looks like a queenie "Dorian Gray" type friend I had once when I was young. He also thought too much of himself. Had Oscar Wilde's book not been written a century earlier, I would have thought it was about him!

I've asked a few times in here about this "write in campaign" for Hillary in the general election. The sense I have gotten is that it's not really a serious thing but more a statement in a moment of passion over frustration with Hillary's situation and the MSM's and DNC's biased support of Barack Obama. Anyone know anything different as to whether the write in campaign is a thing that is being seriously organized?

ET

There is not official write in campaign as Hillary Clinton would be opposed. She has already stated that she will campaign as a Democrat. Still here is the write in campaign site with the rules by state

http://writehillaryin.com/

On the national level write Ins are more a statement of ethical principle than any real attempt to get someone elected. Many states forbid them. Some states and localities allow people to organize petition collection to be placed on a ballot even though not part of an officially recognized party.

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harborwoman, if you're lurking - the USSCt just issues a couple of pro-worker (anti-employer) decisions under ADEA and Civil Rights Act (of 1866).

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/28/business/28bizcourt.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Odd.

No Flood!

The only oxy moron here

But NYTimes has it all covered. Read the last line here.

The Early Word: A Week to Go

Let the countdown begin. With just a week between now and the final primaries in South Dakota and Montana on June 3 and a few days until Puerto Rico holds its contest, the Democratic nominating fight may be coming to an end.

But then again, maybe not.

Great video regarding how the people will not be dismissed by the Democratic party, we want the votes counted in FL and MI from Seat The Delegates. Played this video 3 times, love the music. Notice the screen comments, agree with all of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgyqWydgLz0

And Obama told a crowd that 10,000 people died in a recent American tornado. The question that is being vetted now is whether Obama's grandfather really liberated a Nazi concentration camp. Money is on this story being true only if his grandfather was fighting for the Red Army...LOL. Now that would be a good story.

And of course there is the claim Obama never said he would talk to Ahmadinejad.....

Gaffegate continues....

Dooty,

Thanks for the heads up about tires. I used to get tires from there when I was in New England. My dad lived less than 5 minutes from the border so I could get a new set tax free!

jamie
please add to your primary rules improvement list the requirement to record votes at a caucus (or memorialize it in video) and submit certified reports based on the actual numbers.
BTW is there any verification (signed affadavits) of the current counts or are we just taking the "winner's" word for it?

bear - you still can get tires tax free (at least without state sales tax), but you'll have to pay to have them mounted, balanced and rotated - TireRack.com. I've bought several sets of tires from these guys - and I always research tires at their site - you get great consumer reviews of the tires they carry, and they carry lots of tires.

On a post above: first, swift-boating is not how Durbin defines it -as negative. Is that really the definition? How is that ad anything like the mistruths about Kerry?

Second, didn't Durbin get up in Congress and disclose the CIA was tracking OBL by triangulating his cellphone? Maybe the ad would apply to him better. Ths is just silly. Obama has hardly talked to allies in Europe or even hold meetings for the committee he chairs, yet talks about meeting with all our adversaries ASAP as President. It is fair game and hardly swift-boating. I have seen far worse directed at Hillary by fellow Democrats. Soon everythng McCain airs will be deflected by objections of racism and swift-boating. One can only wonder what they would call a tape of Michelle saying nasty things. Nope, Democratcs won't be able to define the criteria of political ads as many Dems suggested Hillary advocated the assassination of Barak. What goes around comes around, and this ad above is not half as distasteful as the Clinton bashing seen across the web.

patd - the results are certified. The number of people who voted for each candidate at caucuses are not.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/4/4/194623/0323

That's one reason many people argue that caucuses should be done away with, among others.

Not to change the subject, but doesn't anyone find it odd that Joe Scarsborough has not been on Morning Joe, now going into the 3rd week. I know they said he is waiting for the birth of a baby, but how come he is not doing it by remote.

to be even more specific:
NOT primary votes cast BY SECRET BALLOT according to state election laws

thus removing the spectre of intimidation, coercement and fraud.

BTW, in one or two of the 57 states, the secretary of state or the chief election officer certifies the ballot counts, not the attorney general.

Morning Joe EP, Chris Licht tells TVNewser, "Joe stayed in Florida to be with his wife, who is expecting a child later this summer. It appears that she will now be delivering the child early. It is a day-to-day situation. We ask that everyone keep the family in their thoughts and prayers."

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/msnbc/scarboroughs_personal_daytoday_situation_85146.asp

Bowman: keith olberman as the unctuous but cowardly banker who's always urging the sherrif......"Do something, Do something......ya gotta DO something!"

Hey

Democratics
Is your primary
sucking all the money
out of the system?
Democrats
Not meeting
convention fundraising goals.

"The Denver host committee for the Democratic National Convention is behind on raising the money it needs to transform the Mile High City into the focal point of American politics for four days in late August,"

http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000002883461&parm1=5&cpage=1

Just wondering

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote divided government
Vote McCain

Obama gains in daily gallup over Clinton

Clinton still beats McCain and McCain still beats obama

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107491/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Leads-Clinton-51-43.aspx

video of "The War Prayer" by Mark Twain:

http://thewarprayer.com/war_film.html

Yes, the endorsement of the Wyoming Dem party vice chair - a caucus state Obama won handily and where McCain has a 19 point lead over him - is indeed impressive. If prayer is the basis of her endorsement - instead of the policy positions she cites and the position he he took in favor of extended GI benefits - there's another compelling reason to get rid of the superdelegates. Really, like she wasn't planning to endorse Obama and hopefully retain her seat after the election.

I'm really starting to enjoy Bowman's movie

"I liked her, a lot, the moment I met her. We became friendly and for several years, whenever I was in Jakarta I'd give her a call. We'd have a drink, a meal, hang out talking in her beautiful house in Jakarta. She had a great, quirky, sense of humor, was kind and decent to a fault and was just plain whip smart, one of the sharpest people I've ever known. I envied her her job, admired her tremendously and always looked forward to seeing her."

David Seaton of TPM came across Ezra Stone's blog. In it he tells the story of a friend he met in Jakarta years before, Ann Sutaro.

When she died he felt such a genuine loss.

Until he googled her recently he had no idea who her son was.

However you perceive Barack Obama's familial ties, if you like feminism, pragmatism and acting effectively on one's idealism...

You're going to like this piece. It exceeds any of the NYT or Chicago Tribune pieces on some woman called Stanley in giving you a sense of the person in her own life and world.

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/eric-stones-story-me-and-obama.php

Not to worry, pug, Denver will be hoppin' in August.

Mama knows: regarding your 2:49 post - video

One of the comments said: "this is not 1968 with Mayor Daley".. Close . Mayor Daley's son is with the inner circle of Obama's campaign, along with several other chicago political people. WHy do you think we keep seeing some of chicago dirty politics?

Julie

Sorry -- not Ezra but Eric.

But have Henry Aldrich's mother screaming in my ear.

Pogo,

I was reading your case story and I almost had a heart attack reading this one line...

"The Bush administration was on the side of the workers."

Since the world is obviously is coming to an end, it's been a pleasure knowing you...Jamie, what are you wearing?

Good timeline on the FL/MI primaries debacle dating to 1/02.

http://www.mrsuper.org/

My local mystery bookshop treats Stone like a living master of modern noirs.

Look up his books on his site and we'll all see why.

Sturgeone,

I was thinking that Olberman might be the "Hanging Judge"

Gravel would be the crusty sheep rancher that all the cattle barons hate and want to run off the land.

Kucinich I think should be the kid that was lost on the trail west and was raised by wolves.

Trancredo is the rancher that wants to kill off all the Mexicans that are robbing stage coaches and attacking the Alamo.

Bowman........did I say "banker"? dont know how that happened.....I meant to say "Hanging Judge"............

Bear, yes, it looks like it may be the end of life as we know it.

We don't have a role for Bill Clinton yet. Other than the poor hick that made it big in Washington then came west as the kingmaker only to meet his match with the dark stranger that stole his mojo and ruined his plans.

All the consultants will have to be the hired guns of the range war.

With Craig starring as the venerable newspaper publisher, seeking and printing the truth.

carville as a called in "gun for hire" with black suit and hat.......brass buttons.......

How about Nancy Pelosi as the main dance hall girl & secretly the town madam.

who gets the bartenders role?

julie

Lindsay Graham as the "chester" type deputy

That was a great story this morning about Corey's boss "Dave" and his non-interventionist method of conflict resolution. Thanks for that, Corey...I will store it in the mental library for future reference.

I can't say that personal criticisms should go always unaddressed; there are times they must be answered. But often, "not answering" a serial offender is the best response. Within a community, isolation can be an effective social consequence. That's why little kids hate "time out," and solitary confinement can be a punishment worse than death.

I thought I had posted here on Sunday, the 25th...but now I see that day is missing. Here is the info on Obama's visit to Las Cruces yesterday...very controlled event. Just like his whole campaign.

http://www.lcsun-news.com/news/ci_9388660

Since the 'killing off' of HRC by the dem powers that be, I am not too interested in the election. I am not comfortable with BHO, nothing has changed. When the dems ran Kerry in 2004, I went along with the nom and supported him, but I can finally state the dem party has lost a lifelong supporter. I am no longer going to blindly support their choice just because it is 'their' choice. I used to foolishly believe that every vote counted....then came the 2000 election.

Now what about Bush? Does he get cast as the territorial administrator who always has his enforcer (Cheney) in the back ground or the son the most powerful rancher in the area that wants to own all the watering holes?

In case any of you haven't figured it out, I was a huge fan of westerns when I was akid.

more from TPM.com

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/sexism-doesnt-put-senator-clin.php

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

if you want your picture included in a video of Trail Mix regulars, please send it cqtrailmix@verizon.net
--Craig Crawford

Craig...Is there a deadline for sending in the pics?

Last month, I sent some of flowers...but, because I am sooooooo "techno-challenged", I don't know if you received them. 8~)

9/11,
That was a beautiful piece on Ann Sotero. Thanks for posting it.

Wolf Blizter as the overly talkative bartender.

hey

Bowmanc

How about

Bush
Crooked Indian agent
selling rotten beef to the Indians

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote divided government
Vote McCain

The first time I read The War Prayer it gave me cold chills. It is one of the most powerful pieces ever written about the true nature of war.

Jamie,

I know you're no fan of Rasmussen, but it's interesting to see how things start to shape up with the third parties in the mix.

"A separate survey found slightly different results when third-party candidates were mentioned by name. In a four-way race, Obama earns 42% of the vote, McCain 38%, Bob Barr 6% and Ralph Nader 4%. Given those options, 11% were undecided. Barr and Nader were mentioned as candidates of the Libertarian Party and the Green Party respectively."

Plus, with "Hillary as an Indie:

"The survey also considered a match-up with Senator Hillary Clinton running as an Independent candidate. In that match-up, it’s McCain 32%, Obama 31%, Clinton 22%, Barr 3%, and Nader 3%."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/will_third_party_candidates_tip_the_presidential_race

Pug,

That is good, very good

Bush the Crooked Indian agent
selling rotten beef to the Indians

good one pug

Howard Dean,

Stared at the sun too long and lost his vision, now just wanders around the west seeking a medicine man that can restore his vision.

ralph nader as commandant of a troop of horse soldiers from out at the fort

After several fiascos all of Naders troops desert him except 3 loyal privates.

lol @ pug and bow

Bear,

"Jamie, what are you wearing? "

Not sure what this was about. Where, when? Did I miss something along the line?

Appreciate the TPM piece 9/11. I don't stop by there as much lately. I've read his bio etc. and never gleamed as much about mama. I'm wondering if that's because he was in HI for some of that time.

Carter - "you are going to have to quit Hillary"..

Carter - The oily guy who keeps trying to tie our Heroine to the tracks, so the train can run over her..

julie

bowman

we have to have a score, haunting background music, on the order of high noon or shenadoah......or ghost riders in the sky!

i still think tweety makes a perfect village coward ratting on the good guys

Obamaites holed up in the church for safety from the screaming horeds of Clintonistas that have torches and are threating to burn down the town!

We must have 9/11 to write the screenplay!

Rez

Yesterday I posted that the Libertarian Party had just handed the election to Sen. Obama presuming he was the candidate. Barr will definitely peel off votes from the Republicans

Clinton won't go Independent no matter how much some of us would like her to. She is a Democrat and has already said that is how she will campaign no matter who the nominee might be.

Hey

Have I been taken for a sucker.

A subcontractor
is slow finnishing the job.

Mothers dying.
Been cutting him some slack
What can I do.

Last week he told me
she was in a coma.

Yesterday miracles of Miracles
She smelled the grilling burgers
Came out of her coma.

Praise God
I say
Now maybe he can finish the job.

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote divided government
Vote McCain

bill clinton as stoic Chief Long Spear of the dreaded Chiricahua Apaches...............

That is a wonderful article about Obama's Mother. It does point up a few things he doesn't mention. He lived with her less than half of his childhood and nothing after the age of 10. It isn't surprising that he seems so disconnected from her.

She had a well paying job in Indonesia so any poverty she might have experienced was in his early years. She was in banking and his grandmother was in banking. What financial relationships were built up there. IOW, there is a lot more to his story than he is telling and it sounds a great deal more interesting than the one he tells.

Pugnacious,

Help me out with your writing style...are you on an elongated haiku trip?

Hey
Bear
Just love to
enter
enter
enter
enter
enter

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote divided government
Vote McCain

In what part of the hospital is the burger grill?

Sturgeone

Daughters

Home hospice

hey Bowman.....

Lou Dobbs as the town drunk....

maybe chief Crooked Spear in light of the allegations........

i hope he's not outside the window fashioning a coffin with his adze........................

Mark Penn is Chief Wild Eagle of the Fukawi tribe on F-Troop.

Adze hope knot
he is currently
an electrician

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote divided government
Vote McCain

When did Barack Obama meet Bill Ayers?

"... it is crucial to the unanswered question about the influence today of the authoritarian "leftists" Bill Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn on the Obama campaign.

If the Ayers/Dohrn-Obama meet and greet took place in November, 1995, it cannot have been the first time that Obama met Ayers. By that time Obama was already Chairman of the Board of the $50 million Chicago Annenberg Challenge Grant program that was designed by Ayers. Barack Obama was identified as the Chair in press reports in June of 1995."

http://globallabor.blogspot.com/2008/05/when-did-barack-obama-meet-bill-ayers.html

Washington Post's Caucus Blog.

In an attempt to burnish his credentials with America's veterans, Barack Obama has frequently talked about his grandfather "who served in Patton's army." He has now added a new episode to his World War II repertoire: the uncle who liberated Auschwitz.

Unfortunately, the story shows that the presumptive Democratic nominee has a poor grasp of both history and geography.

Auschwitz was liberated by the Russians on January 27, 1945. Perhaps he meant to say Buchenwald or Dachau, Dora-Mittelbau, Flossenbürg, or Mauthausen. But from the transcript below the fold, I doubt he confused his grandfather and uncle. (And if it was an uncle, it would probably have to have been a great uncle.) [More...]

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/05/where_in_the_world_is_auschwit.html

"Mark Penn is Chief Wild Eagle"

I guess that makes Wolfson, his son Bald Eagle

Gordo

Why are we not hearing much about BO's muslim cousin from Nepal is it? There was an article several days ago, however when I tried to get back to it.,gone.
In essence, it said that the cousin would allow terrorist to take refuge in Nepal, under the cousins administration.

Julie

pogo...

Just 'lurked' and saw your post about the 'pro-worker' Supreme Court decisions. Printed the article off for a later read. Thanks for keeping an eye out for such info! I'm also interested in 'pro-average citizen vs. pro-big business' decisions.

Because Julie, it's all a bunch of crap. Has no bearing on anything.

Bush and McCain were supposed to attend a fundraiser at the Phoenix Convention Center but the event has been cancelled due to poor ticket sales"

What's up with this Pug?

Obama did confuse his grandfather with his great uncle and it was Buchewald. Now experts are checking out if his relative was first into the camp. In any case, Obama plays looseon the facts, but this gaffe might not prove very far off base.

He has certainly made worse it seems.

Of course Obama met Ayers before he claims. The reason is what Gordo posted. Perhaps he was missing an Arabic translator....

"Perhaps he was missing an Arabic translator...."

"John McCain doesn't know Shiite from Shinola. "B. Press

Maxtrue and Revising History.

You have to give Sen. Obama a break on this one. He garbled a few details of an important family story about a major event.

1. It was his great grandfather.
2. He definitely was with the American military that liberated a sub camp under the Buchenwald system.

I'm sure the horror of being part of that could send anyone into seclusion for quite a while.

Sheesh. Talk about unusual positions for me ... defending Sen. Obama twice in the same day. Maybe I'm wishing some of his supporters might extend the same courtesy to Sen. Clinton (fat chance)

Sen. Obama has only met his father's family once in his life and may or may not have ever met or known about this cousin. They are Moslem but have no relationship to anyone particularly close to his decision making.

Julie --------------------

Did Obama's Cousin Cut a Deal to Protect Terrorists?

"Odinga recently lost his own quest to be President of Kenya. (Odinga was running on a similar platform as Obama, check out his website ) Well this guy Odinga eventually accepted a position as Prime Minister. Here is the issue, while running for President this guy signed a Memorandum of Understanding with a group of Muslims in order to get their endorsement. Part of this Memorandum of Understanding was that Odinga would enforce Shariah Law.

Section V, Part (f) which states:

No Muslim residing in Kenya whether a citizen, visitor or relative of any of the above shall be subjected to any process involving the laws of a foreign country and in particular any Muslim arrested for or suspected of Terrorism or any other International crime shall only be tried within the boarders of Kenya..."

http://rayvjr.squarespace.com/blog/2008/5/10/did-obamas-cousin-cut-a-deal-to-protect-terrorists.html

How many days to the roll call at the convention? "Stuff" happens!

Huffpo et al don't help their golden child by being snarky bastards.

My son just suggested that Ron Paul be the crazy town drunk screaming warnings of retribution.

Julie,

I am from Chicago, yes Mayor Daley is the son of the Mayor Daley from the 68 convention. Yes he supported Obama from the start and I fully understand about dirty politics. I have never witness politics like this, this is a different kind of dirty politics being played by the Obama campaign and the media, especially the media. Turned on the end of Hardball and they were talking about Bill Clinton saying how disrespectful the media is to Hillary, which I agree 100%. Matthew made the comment, look who's talking about being disrespectful, Bill Clinton was the one who was disrespectful to Hillary.

matthews has to play his part in the bowmanmovie as Peter Lorre..........

Interesting. I just unsubscribed from Move On dot Orgs emails. One of the options they give you for discontinuing is "Move Ons endorsement of Sen. Obama". They must have had a lot to include it in the list of things like "too many emails".

Jamie,

The article said Obama talks with his cousin frequently. I did not say Obama was a muslim, in fact said nothing about BO. I said his cousin was and is a muslim and the prime minister of Nepal and has indeed as per Gordo's post above , will evidently allow terrorists refuge in Nepal.. The article was about the cousin, not Obama...

Julie

Oh, I'll give him a break on this one if the fact bare out. You would think that someone so smart as Obama after adjusting his pitch to Jews might look into the history of WW2. Even I know who liberated the camp Obama first thought his grand dad did. Obama has a huge list of gaffes. He thinks about would sound good, then delivers. It sounds good that Iraq has hurt Afghanistan so make Arabic translators an issue in Afghanistan. 10,000 dead tin a cyclone that reserves in Iraq can't bury sounds good. It is the mindset at work and not being tired that is the problem. McCain today stole the proliferation issue away from Obama on the very day AP reported the IAEA is warning the world about Iran. Meanwhile the Iranian Press is pulling for Obama though one would think that if they are right about how badly Bush is loosing, they would pull for McCain...LOL And Zbig offers up his Grand Bargain with Iran which gets us zip. Maybe Obama will fire Zbig by September.

Meanwhile for a reality check on terrorism, take a look at counterterrorism.org. Not purty and Obama's strategy in Pakistan has kept him off ranting about OBL for weeks. In fact, Pakistan has been shown to be directly hurting Afghanistan. Events are not playing well for Obama.

The Foolish Woman

A MARRIED Woman, whose lover was about to reform by running away, procured a pistol and shot him dead.
"Why did you do that, Madam?" inquired a Policeman, sauntering by.
"Because," replied the Married Woman, "he was a wicked man, and had purchased a ticket to Chicago."
"My sister," said an adjacent Man of God, solemnly, "you cannot
stop the wicked from going to Chicago by killing them."

---Ambrose Bierce

Jaimie; 9:47 AM - I totally, totally agree, but when you have a really bad feeling about things, and the direction they are taking it's hard to express it civilly.
Since civility is the name of the game today(Gore Vidal also wrote a book about the veneer of civilization and how thin it is(Kalki).

Bowmanc: How about Michelle Obama as the marching temperance leader.
Bill Richardson as the mexican bandit.
Jack Cafferty as the boozy newspaper reporter.
Stephen Colbert as the Faro dealer.
Barbara Boxer as the schoolmarm.
Robert Byrd as the preacher.
Joe Biden as the beloved bartender.
Joe and Valerie Wilson as the owners of the mercantile store
Barack Obama as the land-grabber.
Keith Olbermann as the hanging judge.
John Kerry as the banker who backs the landgrabber.

Sturgeone:

"The Frogs Desiring a King" -- a telling fable, or a fairytale with a happy ending?

Conservation organizations declared 2008 as the year of the frog -- See www.amphibianark.org for more info.

JUlie

The point was that whatever his cousin is doing, it has nothing to do with Obama so why is it of importance? That is the part that wasn't clear.

Max

Your other points about Obama's lack of knowledge about foreign relations is well taken. It is one of the major reasons I consider him unqualified for the office he is seeking. Since we are probably going to get stuck with him, let's hope someone at the State Department knows what they are doing.

The consensus here that the media, msnbc being
the worst offender, has engaged in a shameless
unrelenting attack of Hillary Clinton is affirmed and
its chronology is spelled out quite well, including the naming of names in an article by Andrew Stephen in the Newstatesman entitled----"Hating Hillary"

It is unfortunate that it was allowed to continue without
being exposed until now when it is in all likelihood
beyond repair.

http://www.newstatesman.com/north-america/2008/05/obama-clinton-vote-usa-media

How do we know he is not a "secret Muslim"? We only have his word. If he wants to keep it a secret, he will lie.

Jamie, we'll get stuck with him if we cave. Simple as that. Save the Party and plit the ticket. Friend and country before fool.

Obama will put Richardson as SECSTATE or worse.

Uncovering truth Obama style. And no the story isn't over. In fact, it appears Obama's uncle was in the navy, yes?

See the thread.

http://stubbornfacts.us/politics/2008_election/hold_it#comment-14746

Gordo

If the US Government has been taken over by pod people from Mars they aren't likely to teill us either.

When given a choice between conspiracy and stupidity ... go for stupidity. You will probably right.

Hey

Just bablefished Gordo
Spanish to English

Gordo=Fatso

Gordo and Lardass Liberal
Brothers?

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote divided Government
Vote McCain

http://bp0.blogger.com/_Sit4XCRo-rw/SCwsXdLNARI/AAAAAAAABGc/0-S7L6hG1zY/s200/hil+pop+obama.jpg

Max

GREAT Uncle

Even the article you linked gives him a break even if the commenters don't

Lou Dobbs came up with a bright idea today. All Presidential candidates must have mandatory eight hours off (preferrably sleeping) every day. They are both obviously sleep deprived.

I wonder if the made-for-tv movie will be based mainly on observation from media events or from "inside sources."

Max

If you have not already seen this, thought of you when I
read it. And yes, I have found your analysis to be
informative & well worth the read.

Obama supporter (Brzezinski) accuses jews of McCarthyism.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/north-america/obama-adviser-accuses-jews-of-mccarthyism-1388136.html

Brezinski is one of the other reasons I've opposed Sen. Obama. He was a bad advisor to Carter who totally screwed up foreign policy and he will be a bad advisor to Obama. When things get royally screwed in the Middle East, you can bet Brezenski's hand was stirring the messy brew because of his Palestinian bias.

Suicide bombers in Tel Aviv slaughtering kids going dancing are freedom fighters while Israeli soldiers defending their borders are murderers.

The Israeli's have done some rotten things, but it is always the Palestinians who violate the cease fires, peace agreements and other attempts at land for peace deals.

This could have been resolved decades ago if the countries surrounding Palestine didn't want them for a bargaining chip and talking point.

Max,

Who knows if they have the right man in the service records. Besides, aren't the Marines connected with the Navy? No offense to any Marines intended. lol

You spooks are to quick to shoot first!

Yes, Tully said great uncle, I was making a joke because Obama said grandfather. Yes, they and I cut him a break, but quite lame really on Obama's part . Note the story isn't over. As Tully has reserached, Obama's great uncle appears to have enlisted in the navy. Obama say's they hear strories from fellow soldiers who liberated Auschwitz. That camp was liberated by Russians, yes? And Rez mentions Shia/Sunni gaffe by McCain. Of course we know that was a slip. Many officials have made that, but the Arabic translator gaffe was a different kind of slip. It was a wishful mindset slip. It was having the theory BEFORE the facts. Facts must fit Obama's theory.

We have the absurd claim Obama's mother was conservative. Fact must fit spin. We have the 10,000 dead and no reserves to bury them because they are ALL in Iraq. Impossible fact must fir Obama's theory. It goes, on and on.

And the nerve to blast Hillary over RKK and Bosnia. Obama re=created his histroy as a Presdiential plank for his campaign. People make mistakes, but Obama's gaffes often come from his desire for facts to fit his spin. Plain and simple.

Now if his great uncle did not enter that camp, he is in deep water as he will be if he actually met Auchi, or was friends with Ayers before 1995. These are ticking bombs because they show Obama failing to answer truthfully after three, four and five attempts. He even had the balls to say he never said he would talk to Ahmadinejad. That is far more serious a lie that McCain's slip on Shia/Sunni.

COme on Obama, tell us why supplies from Pakistan have fallen by 50% into Afghanistan. Why is COngress holding up more Predators? What say you about the $150,000,000 bounty Iran has put on Brits in Iraq? Spin away, gaffes included.

Tully is a former professor at West Point and lives in Kansas. Go ask him.

"Interesting. I just unsubscribed from Move On dot Orgs emails."

Jamie, for your consideration, Emily's List and, Americans for Democratic Action.

Flatus, I did that a long tome ago.

Barack made an honest mistake with the WWII camp. It's okay, just as long Barack doesn't start saying "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? HELL NO!"

Did anybody hear the Shawn Hannity radio show today during his first hour. He mentioned something about some media types are saying that he has some kind of tape of either Obama or his wife that could have a big damaging affect on him. Shawn did not say he did or did not have a tape but he did say he would say something about it at the right time. This tells me he has something but I don't know what. Call it the October suprise I guess. If he's got something then there has to be others that can get it too. The media already is affecting this election now we have something like this. I can see him sitting on it for ratings. If Hillary knows about this she can't release it. If Obama knows about this he's got to come forward about it before it gets released. McCain will sit on it until October so it has more affect.

Michael Wilbon ripped the Pittsburgh Penguins a new one tonight. "Score a goal , you thugs!" Interesting stuff with MY Mets manager Willie Randolph as well. He supposedly played the race card last week and then Gary Carter calls the Mets last Friday and says he's available if they need him to manage? Willie Randolph was the only Yankee I liked back in the late 70's. I feel bad for him.

I heard McCain said Barack should go to Iraq. What's that all about?

Some irony here. Ike was so angry that people (mostly Germans) denied the terrible things the Nazis did to Jews he order his troops and Germans to witness Buchenwald first hand.

http://www.eisenhowermemorial.org/stories/death-camps.htm

The army was responsible for entering Buchenwald, not the marines, so if Obama's great uncle was transfered by the Navy to the marines, that still didn't get him there first.. It should be easy enough to eventually see what campaign Oba's great uncle fought in and at this point, I hardly know. We will have to see whether Obama's great uncle was there in fact, but unless he was in the army, it seems he wasn't the first to arrive.

And the irony is that Ahmadinejad denies the horrible truth Obama claims is stained in his great uncles's mind. Certainly, it was the supreme horror show of our epoch. Perhaps when Barak meets Ahmadinejad, he'll bring some pictures, or even perhaps his great uncle.

"COme on Obama, tell us why supplies from Pakistan have fallen by 50% into Afghanistan. Why is COngress holding up more Predators? What say you about the $150,000,000 bounty Iran has put on Brits in Iraq? Spin away, gaffes included."

Max,

The last time I checked George W. Bush was still (sort of) President and Sen. Obama was one of 100 Senators.

Fault him for stuff that is his fault, but blaming him for stuff over which he has no control is a little silly. Are you looking for policy statements of some sort to indicate his thinking on the subjects?

My Mom said to me tonight , "You'd think with all the talented men and women we have in this world , we could find better candidates for President."

Here's a good piece on the Michigan, Florida primary problem and lays out the seating and awarding of delegates.

It basically discounts the option offered by Lenny Davis.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/05/adventures-in-lannyland.html

Take the time and read it as it is very good.

Back to reading other stories for now.

God Bless.

Corey,

The "Obama should go to Iraq" from McCain had two purposes from McCain's viewpoint. One, Obama has never been there so it was a tweak at that fact, and second, to see the "changes for the better".

Whether or not you believe there have been "changes for the better" is up to you.

I'm with Biden ... The Three State tribal solution is the only one likely to bring a lasting piece.

P. S. McCain still was doing the "victory with honor we are winning" crapfest. Still hasn't gotten around to defining victory or winning.

Do people still listen to Biden? I wish they would have given him a chance in this election.

I can tell you that when I go for my bike rides now , I pass a lot of homes here that are up for sale. You've gotta figure there is a reason for all these homes being up for sale.

Jamie, Obama and Richardson blasted Musharraf and called for his immediate resignation. They said a free election would put moderates in charge and this in turn would end the deals with militants and help our effort get OBL. Yes or No? The "deals" have let hundreds of militants free, blown any cover for our Predator strikes which Obama telegraphed to Pakistan he wants more of. last summer. His prediction was a flop while Democrats hold up more Predators, yes? So Obama doesn't talk about OBL or his predictions.

The flow from the Kyber has reduced by 50% and experts say trend in Palistan is hurting us in Afghanistan. So far, Musharraf was better. Moderates are corrupt, spinless and turning anti-American. Meanwhile Iran promotes anit-Zionism and anti-US senitment in Bengledesh. India takes note. I can certainly blame Obama for the policy positions he takes. He was wrong about Pakistan. He is largely wrong about the cuases of problems in Afghanistan. He is wrong about the dynamics and outcome of Iraq were he to impliment his policy. He pretends not to see the oputcome of negotiating with the Taliban or the effect of stalling sanctions on Iran. They love him. He is wrong about the strategy to curb proliferation and curb militants in Gaza and Lebanon. In so far as he votes for his polcies, he is accountable for these postions.

He is also responsible for what comes out of his mouth and right now Putin, Ahmadinejad, Hugo and Assad are loving it while OBL must feel happy. With foolish policies, these people will have an easier game of chess. And the counter to Obama's game is not bomb, bomb, boom, Iran. It would be a realistic and credible concept of tough diplomacy. Something Obama hasn't figured out yet.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/the_obama_learning_curve.html

Funny Anon, no comment on the real horror of Hilter and real death camps, not the pretend ones you predict. Ike made Germans witness their handiwork. So how insane is a world leader that denies this? And how insane are peolle who compare people in this adminsitration to the pictures you will see at the link I provided?

Yes, funny how you scroll over Buchenwald, yet Obama claims his great uncle was terribly shaken by what he saw. Any normal person would be shaken and forever know the diffrence between Hitler and the Nazis and an elected President of the United States , who unlike like Hitler will not have to kill himself to terminate his term in office..

Max,

This is one of the reasons I hope that assuming Obama gets the nomination that he will have the good sense to pick Clinton as the VP. Sure that would come with some aggravations, but she knows the issues and just happens to live with one of the best internationalists available.

That would also counteract the indiotic Brezinski influence as well.

Looking at the Puerto Rico videos, Hillary keeps time better than Barack.

Just so long as she doesn't sing.

""You'd think with all the talented men and women we have in this world , we could find better candidates for President."

We did. She messed up her early campaign, the media hates her and the far left wants another idealistic Carter even if he won't know what he is doing either.

He will NEVER pick Hillary, You know that Jamie. So please be prepared to stop Obama/Pelosi, the rave 60's radicals-endorsed ticket...LOL And if you check out my Stubborn Fact link, the story gets deeper. Obama's great uncle may have gone nowhere near Buchenwald as the Obama campaign tries to hide his identity but fails. Again, is Obama caught using his relatives' false family history for political purpose? His mother was conservative, his great uncle liberated Buchenwald? This is getting quite strange but typical of the Obama campaign complete with Zbig, Power, Malley, McPeak, Rice and the litany of friends, mentors and supporters few here would invite home.

Unfortunately, Pug has the right idea. Sorry about that.

"Just so long as she doesn't sing."

Agreed. Do we know if Sen. Obama can sing?

If he can, maybe Hillary could conduct while Barack warbled and Bill played the sax.

Max,

My point ; if you're a Marine, you're enlistment is through Dept. of Navy. I don't know if this has any bearing in this instance, but just saying.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_the_Navy

I have tried to find some more info on this so called tape that Hannity has. He said Maureen Dowd mentioned it in one of her columns and even Hillary mentioned it in a offhand remark. I wonder if he will mention it tonight on his TV show. He said he's been getting a lot of calls on it.

Still reading other stories, but here is one that Bill Clinton says that the 92 nomination was clinched in April of 92 by him.

http://leftinaboite.blogspot.com/2008/05/hillary-gets-caught-in-yet-another-one.html

From Political Wire below.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/05/26/when_was_the_1992_presidential_race_over.html

Back later.

God Bless.

Rez, he would have likely gone to the Pacific and Marines did not capture Buchewald. If it turns out he didn't go into Buchenwald, Obama gets hurt far more than the Bosnia flub hurt Hillary. This was Memorial Day and pandering on this subject won't be taken lightly by Jews or Vets. No reflection on Obama's relatives who served honorably but on a person who would then be a mere story teller playing games for political advantage in an effort to make his message authentic. And using his family for his fiction.

You had better hope you are right, or it will be Obama who keeps pulling the trigger on hmself. Perhaps that is what Hillary meant metaphorically.

what you are not going to watch him

He's got Rove on now going over Obama's weekend comments.

Rez, the Marines were in the Pacific. Where Germany isn't.

I dug through the Kansas records and there are a number of men named Charles Payne who served. But the only reference to Obama's great-uncle I could find listed him as Charles W. Payne. Both of the men named Charles W. Payne who joined in Kansas enlisted in the Navy.

Now, the middle initial could be wrong, or he could have joined in another state, but I think at this point it would take a roster from one of the units of the 89th listing a Charles Payne from Kansas at minimum to answer the obvious question of veracity. After all, six years ago Obama had his grandfather as the one marching with Patton and telling tales of Auschwitz and Treblinka.

Pugnacious...

Why don't you cut the crap with the ignorant billboards and illiterate haikus you keep posting here?

You're not engaging with anyone. You're just a dumbass mosquito looking for landing places and trying to draw blood. Tell you what...I got a big fat landing strip on my big ol' Lard Ass. Why don't you land on THAT...suck a little blood out of it and give us all a five-star restaurant review later. Until then, leave us the hell alone.

If you want to make an impact here, try to bring real value instead of polemics, and maybe we'll all start paying attention to you.

Otherwise, we'll all start teasing you about how John McCain's biggest military accomplishment was crashing a plane and hiding out in the Hanoi Hilton while real soldiers were fighting a war.

You asswipe. Get lost.

--Lard

vadaryl ----------------

I did not hear Hannity, but this sounds like the MO tape Larry Johnson at NO QUARTER has been writing about lately.

Bush plans Iran airstrike within next two months.

http://leftwingnutjob.blogspot.com/2008/05/bush-plans-iran-airstrike-within-next.html

God Bless.

Gord, do you have any links from no quarter on this.

Hey
Basic facts on Obama's Uncle
If your raised by your grandmother
Her brother is your uncle.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NjRiNjQ3NTFlOGEyZjdiNjQzYTJjN2I0NGI4YTZlZmI=

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote divided government
Vote McCain

Pug...and guess what...if you go fuck yourself...you can be your own Daddy.
Now get outta here, Troll-for-hire!

Here's the whole story about the attack on Iran from Common Dreams.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/05/27/9220/

God Bless.

I meant to say some I agree with others I don't. He has said some things about Hillary I also agree with and others I don't, He is no McCain fan so that could get interesting.

vadaryl ----------------------

Here is a link to the most recent reference ( check the archives for more).

Why I Believe the Michelle Obama Tape Exists

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/26/why-i-believe-the-michelle-obama-tape-exists/

Has anyone ever actually researched the specific circumstances that resulted in John McCain losing control of a $25-million, taxpayer-financed fighter jet?

Might be interesting. At least as interesting as John Kerry's Swiftboat record.

Thanks Gordo.

Speaking of, what the HELL is going on with that John McCain Dowager Hump that he's got workin' when he talks about being in Iraq for 100 years. That's real big talk, when you'll probably be dead for at least 97 of those 100 years.

Any ideas, Pug? You're such a clever guy. Enlighten us.

That does sound like what Hannity is referring to.
If it does exist, then why are other media outlet not jumping on this. Some young reporter could make a name for themselves to get it out there.

Just doing the basic housecleaning chores.

Tully,

here's my 2 quotes from above:

1) "My point ; if you're a Marine, you're enlistment is through Dept. of Navy. I don't know if this has any bearing in this instance, but just saying".8:48

Notice the second sentence

2) "Who knows if they have the right man in the service records. Besides, aren't the Marines connected with the Navy? No offense to any Marines intended. lol" 7:36

Now Tully, where was it that I was confused about anything?
I actually pointed out the possibility of an error in the records.

Never mentioned the words Germany OR pacific!

I would appreciate the link from you last paragraph inre: Obama on Patton. TIA

I wonder if Hannity has seen either one of these tapes. Is he the east coast friend that Larry was referring to.

Still reading.

Lieberman embraces Pastor John Hagee.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/27/liebermanhagee/

God Bless.

Pug
Just a bug
A-bug above
Above it all
Especially all of you
Even though he's dumb, and you're smart.

Maybe just a computer
Cyber troll
Dumbass
Possibly a teenager
In his parents' basement

Posting ridiculous shit
Incoherent yet pretentious
Dumb yet knowing
Most looks like this

Friends don't let Friends
Read that kinda crap
So get lost, Pug!

The members of the Democratic National Committee’s Rules and Bylaws Committee – the panel weighing how both states should be represented at the convention in Denver –
will meet very publicly, at a hotel site ringed with protesters and satellite trucks. Inside,
they’ll be joined by a swarm of political journalists – and a few rank-and-file Democrats.
Only about 300 people – including RBC members, press and public — will be allowed inside.
But hundreds of Democrats eager for a front-row seat to history found themselves out of
luck today, as the party’s online registration system for the spots available to the public
was overwhelmed at 10 a.m. ET, when it opened. All available seats were claimed in about a minute.

As Craig said this morning that meeting could come out with a no decision made. That could make a lot of mad people who are around that meeting. I wonder how many people will be outside.

Craig says you can send in a pic that represents you like a pet or your garden. I say no bushes, please.

tt

If Larry Johnson is working with the Clinton campaign, the tape will be released after voting has been completed and before the convention. If the Repubs are the ones actually holding the MO tape, then sometime in October.

Hey
sweet cakes
a haiku
just for you

A Lardass rants
What perfume do I smell
An iris broken

Love and kisses

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote divide government
Vote McCain

Gord what do you think about this tape? Is it true and who has it?

Hey
Lardass Liberal
Gordo's? brother

Obama people
only lose once
You?
A two time loser
Must hurt

My sympathies.

Friends don't let Friends vote a straight ticket
Vote divided government
Vote McCain

I am not sure that there is a tape, but if there is I think it won't come out until October. So I don't think it will help Hillary. So am not getting my hopes up for Hillary in this case.

Pug
Dumbass
10th Grade Wit
Devoted to
Old Man McCain

Did he molest you
Or something?

Just tell your parents
Or call the cops
But leave us alone

Friends don't let Friends
Read that kinda crap
So get lost, Pug!

2008 -2010

A further reduction of violence in Iraq as the world increases pressure on Iran to end nuclear weapon program. A sudden splike in terrorist activities in Iraq involving AQ and Iran give Democrats pause about a fast decrease in troops.

2011 -20014

Terrorist events, attacks by Hamas and Hizb"allah increase and Israel strikes Iran after Obama is snubbed while talking to Ahmadinejad. The US backs Israel along with Sunnis. Troop reductions from Iraq paused but, too little too late by Obama as a neo Reagan Republican wins the WH

2014 - 2016

Negotiations lead to a new relationship with Iran, Iraq and Syria requiring US and UN forces in Iraq, Lebanon. Saudi Arabia rebuilds damage caused by Iranian response to Israeli strike of 2012. Republicans win WH again in 2016 on charm of their neo Reagan. Far Left leaves Democratic Party.

2016 - 2020

Lfe improves in Iraq and US bases become like those in Korea and elsewhere. Many troops are moved to Africa to stabilize region torn by extremist insurgencies. China fields their first major peacekeeping force and Russia agrees to provide security in Afghanistan as AQ in Pakistan assassinate most of the moderate government. Oddly enough Democrats win the WH in 2020 as Republican candidate is caught in a terrible sex scandal. Chelsea becomes the first woman President.

2021 - 2028

Days after taking office, Chelsea is called at 3 am about a militant coup in Pakistan. She orders a joint strike and quickly captures Pakistan's nucs and backs Bhutto's son in a new Pakistan government averting WW3. Who says women can't get things done? She wins a second term easily.

2029 -2060

A resurgent America and a moderating China break past technical barriers, harness alternitive energy and prepare to colonize Mars. The US bases in Iraq serve as a reminder of US resolve as the last of the Middle East oil is pumped out of the ground. US forces stabilize the economic hardship as Iraqis, Saudis and other regional nations join in a massive hydrgen fusion project converting rising seawater into drinking water. Slowly the desert grows green.

2061 - 3008

A period of economic stability and an end of religious conflict. Iraqis, Syrians, and Iranians head to Mars. Slowly, as the population remaining is largely a service force for tourism, the US bases in Iraq are finally closed.

Thus ending the hundred year leasing of bases in Iraq.

The Charles Payne that is Obama great Uncle is listed on 1930 census, Butler County, Kansas

Listed as
Father Rolla C Payne 37 born kansas
mother Leona 32 " "
BO mother - Madelyn 7 " "
Charles 5 : "
Arlene 3 " "

Charles would have been born in Kansas ca 1925.
no middle initial shown...

julie

Pug...I'm finished with you. You are not even worth making fun of. I hope you just realize you're wasting your time here.

Mccellan just threw GW under the bus.

Great timing for McCain too.

Julie,

I'm not researching anything, but isn't Madelyn his grandmother?

vadaryl -----------------------

Here is another link:

"Obama Freakout Over Michelle Video: The Ticking “Whitey” Time Bomb

Four Republican sources have told me that the tape exists. I’ve also been informed that Karl Rove and his allies have a copy of it and are using it to raise funds for independent expenditure groups. The tape, I’m told, will be disclosed as the GOP October Surprise. It’s a ticking time bomb."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/19/obama-freakout-over-michelle-video-the-ticking-whitey-time-bomb/

(Larry Johnson might be working with the Clinton campaign to create doubt in the minds of voters and SDs. If Team Clinton has a Michelle "Whitey" Obama tape, look for release in a few weeks - he has tied the tape to the Repubs. Of course, the Repubs might actually have the tape. Or maybe it doesn't exist, but sure does seem in character for MO.)

vadaryl...

I'm surprised that you take anything Hannity says seriously.

I use to hear him once in awhile on my way home from work.

He constantly was verbally abusive to his female co-worker and always belittled her over the airwaves.

I often wondered if he beat his wife because of how he belittled not only his co-worker, but Hillary and other females all the time.

God Bless.

My post of 10:02 should read

BHO Grandmother - Madelyn Payne

julie

"Mccellan just threw GW under the bus."

I ready for a Bush 3rd Term; in Prison. LOL

GORDO...

All politics aside...if that tape actually exists...I definitely want video of you bounding down the stairs on Christmas morning to find it under the tree. Deal?

You've worked so hard for it. For you, it's like the kid's air rifle in the endlessly replayed "Christmas Story" movie. Or maybe the dad's Stripper Leg Lamp (was it Darren McGavin in that role?).

I've heard that was Darren McGavin's favorite movie.

Jamie...

Obama should not go to Iraq with McInsane or Lindsey Graham under any circumstances.

Yes, I am suggesting that he would not come back alive. They would do a Pat Tillman on him and blame the Iraqi's or Iran for his demise.

And yes I do believe that our Government would kill a sitting US Senator and Presidential Candidate.

God Bless.

"(Larry Johnson might be working with the Clinton campaign to create doubt in the minds of voters and SDs. . . . Of course, the Repubs might actually have the tape. Or maybe it doesn't exist, but sure does seem in character for MO.)"

Now G Man that speaks volumes about your credibility.

Hasta manana, gang...

My credibility is about to follow my creativity to bed.

Rezdog ----------------

How? Don't understand.

Rez, I had said earlier it seems Obama's great uncle enlisted in the Navy and questioned the Buchenwald connection because the Navy did not capture Buchenwald.. Then you suggested that maybe he could have been a Marine because to enlist in the Marines or become a Marine later, you do so through the Department of Navy, yes? (that is, enlist in the Navy).

Just to be clear.

I did not discount the possbility of error in the public record, though I did mention that as a marine he would have more than likely gone to the Pacific as most people know the Marines did 99% of their fighting and service in the Pacific. I aslo mentioned it would take some time to know for certain as Tully pointed out. The reocrd is out there somewhere.

If Obama's great uncle really did enlist in the Navy, the Bachenwald story may very well be false. He did not appear to have enlisted in the Marines, nor would that have placed him near Buchewald. However you did cite the possiblity of an error, which could have happened and I was not definitive in any claim against Obama save the one below. You may be right and the two people found by Tully are either not the tight great uncle or their enlistment record is in error. I said that until the evidence comes out, the only two people matching Obama's great uncle from Kansas at the time appear to have enlisted in the Navy. Does that now make sense to you? As such, they don't seem likely to have captured Buchenwald. As Marines, they don't seem likely to have been near Buchenwald.

It is amazing that running for President doesn't force one to get their public claims straight. Especially a candidate of such intellectual greatness as Obama. Tully did mention Obama's prior claims.. Is Obama's autobiography all over the planet? Such family history as mentioned by Obama seem significant and ought not to be in error. And look what the press did to Hillary over Bosnia. Here is a candidate in Obama that has made his history into books as a guide for his Presidential character. On Memorial Day he waxes about Aushwitz. I suppose the record will come out where exactly Obama's great uncle served. Kudos for his service where ever it was, but I hope Obama was near target, on Buchenwald or this will be a rather black eye. Something that memorable should not prove to be a fiction, quite unlike the terrible events that happened there.

Please , do not speak of Darren McGavin! I beg of you!

G Man,

"to create doubt in the minds of voters and SDs. . Or maybe it doesn't exist,"

You and Johnson purposely spreading rumors or misinformation that you don't know are factual. Not very credible.

Rezdog -----------------------

"...spreading rumors or misinformation that you don't know are factual."

What's wrong with that? What does MSM do?

Max...

I have seen numerous photos of what the Nazi's did to the Jews and others so don't preach to me about what I see happening here at home as the beginning of what happen in Germany during Hitlers rise to power when I compare the works of GWB.

By the fruits of there labor will tell you a lot about them.

And your undying loyalty to Lieberman also tells me a lot about you.

Lieberman's embrace of Pastor Hagee also says a lot about him.

Of have you forgotten Hagee's belief that God sent Hitler to kill the Jews and force them back to Israel for the end of times?

Isn't Pastor Hagee a Zionist? And if I'm anti-Zionist does that make me anti-semantic? And why would anyone of Jewish Heritage support those who wish them to eternal damnation it they don't convert and accept Jesus as their Saviour?

Sorry, but you can think of me however you want. You just may have your Middle East Rapture this fall and I hope you pray hard that your prepared to meet your God when the Nuclear Bombs start falling here.

Good night all.

God Bless.

Max,

No one is really off base here. I was mainly suggesting an error and that just because a person shows up as a Navy enlistment, doesn't mean that person had to serve on a ship.

In fact the merchant marines, under Navy did serve in the Atlantic against German foes. I'm sure there were Navy connections with the intelligence surrounding many allied efforts in Germany. I was not in tune with the comments Obama made in NM. I did not remember the Patton remark from his autobio. i wasn't suggesting you or anyone was making misstatements. i didn't know of the blowup about a gaffe.

I was being rather sarcastic about all this gotcha crap from Hillary and McCain camps about any word from Obama in these waning days. it's rather pitiful imo.

I think all this WWII story will disappear in short while when another similar petty misquote, gaffe, or mistake pops up.

I agree, hopefully there's a big measure of truth to his relative's service record or it will hurt. However all families have misinformation about their very distant relatives.

Hey
Max

Puzzled here
Whats with the Navy?

From Obama press release.

"Obama’s Great Uncle (His Grandmother’s Brother) Served in the 89th Infantry Division that Liberated Ohrdruf, a Subcamp of Buchenwald"

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote for divided government
Vote McCain

No matter how anyone spins it the only person who can try to defeat Obama is Clinton (and BJ) in her final desperate days in the primary…and that is not to say she WILL THEN HAVE THE NUMBER OF DELEGATES SHE NEEDS. If popular votes were to be considered, Gore would have been our president these last eight years and there would have been many great American men and women alive today who are not now. It is so comforting that she will go down in history, not as the first female president, but as someone who tried to make her party’s candidate the loser…just for her ego…and, thus, a loser herself...for history!!!

Obama is going to win.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

Don’t worry about Virginia. Webb will take care of that!!! Clinton is our worst enemy right now. She wants to take this thing to the point of Obama NOT WINNING. It’s all about her and BJ’s ego…not the will of the American people. AND YOU CLINTON SUPPORTERs CAN THANK yourselves if a Democrat is not the president.

Anyone who listens to Faux should be voting for McBush and not even mention that they are a Democrat!!

Obama is working around the ignorants in SE Ohio, WV, and KY ensuring the Western states, where logic is more prevalent than in those “dumb” places where bigotry is alive and thriving. Although, current polls show him pulling ahead of McBush in Ohio. Hope BJ is history and his speaking fees are zilch...forever.

God, this place gets looney at nighttime.

Julie,

Do you have an Ancestry account to get access to the census?

Rez, I agree too. I think some find Obama supporters rather offensive in their defense of the indefensible (not that you did that nor that Obama has made a terrible gaffe). Many are quite pissed off over the media coverage of things. If it does turn out much of the story Obama spun on Memorial Day was false, I think there will be big fallout given the nature of the Day, the emotion of Buchenwald, the Jewish vote, vets, etc. You amy be right nd that Obama's great uncle actually saw Buchenwald. It is sloppy to confuse that with Aushwitz, but unforgiveable if the story is basically false. No one has said that yet.

At the moement, I am sure Tully will find the record and see where Obama's great Uncle served.

Probably the only thing that will move SDs away from Obama is some sort of scandal - preferably easy to understand. There is plenty of evidence that Obama would be a fatally flawed nominee, but that doesn't matter to many SDs - they don't want to deal with the AA uproar and would rather see McCain elected than Hillary. Considering what a dirty campaign Obama and Axelrod have run - anything is OK. Obama is a fraud.

Hey
Karolena

Favorite
quote of the day!

(besides Biden praising McCain)
LOL
loved it

"Democratic pollster Paul Maslin said. “The truth about this race [is], this is the year that we shouldn’t lose, and we could lose.” "

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10585.html

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote divided government
Vote McCain

Jamie,

yes I do have ancestry access.

julie

Obama's path to winning the Presidential Election in November according to Mark Nickolas of Political Base.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgbIq4q6OYA

And now finally to bed. Good night and ...

God Bless.

Hey
Access ain't cheap.
Want to hobnob
with the big shots Democrats

Here is the price

"Big ticket corporate donors — at the presidential level ($1 million), the platinum level ($500,000) and gold ($250,000) — are promised invitations to private events sponsored by Gov. Bill Ritter Jr. of Colorado and Ken Salazar, the Democratic senator from the state, according to the literature. "

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/28/us/politics/28convention.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=slogin

wonder
what a million dollars
gets you

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote divided government
Vote McCain

Julie

Please email me

webthings at comcast dot net

Thanks

Glenn Beck is ripping Obama a new one. Talking about how there is a growing list of things you can't say around him. Comparing him to a fascist leader. He's also ripping the mainstream media for how they clearly chose sides in this election. And the Lakers beat the Spurs tonight!

As for the Lakers win...does happy dance....just like this...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=d7tRCfSuMTY

Jamie

just sent e mail your way.

Julie

Hillary expects an unfavorable decision from the DNC - floor fight at the convention.

All votes should be counted as legal like all drugs are treated as legal. They are, aren't they? Why have things like party rules or prescriptions? This is America! If you got the money, you get the honey.

Gordo

A lot can happen between now and convention time.
Seems as the democratic party is hell bent for leather to nominate Obama, no matter that they will be walking off a cliff.. repubs are going to hit him with inexperience, foreign policy , and he is so light on both they will squash him like a bug..

Miracles happen and it looks like we may have to pray for one.. Look out convention, here we come.. Hillary will fight to the end, I think. And good for her..

Julie

Julie

Not official until the roll call vote - things can happen between now and then which would be very damaging to Obama's reputation.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08148/885120-61.stm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTfbCOPApsQ

A reminder:

Jeremiah Wright - God Damn America

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH5ixmT83JE

No,

But I did find out that a person can write in Hillary on the ballot but in Kansas it will not count unless that person registers with the state that they are running for that position. The election board says this is true for most states..

julie

"The Soldier Song"

http://www.last.fm/music/Kenny+%22Babyface%22+Edmonds/_/The+Soldier+Song?autostart

Julie,

News for you, the miracle already happened! It just happened on our side of the fence, not yours.

tick tock
tick tock

The sound of the Obama "Scandal" bomb(s).

Hillary's new campaign song?

http://www.last.fm/music/Prince/_/All+the+Critics+Love+U+in+New+York?autostart

Rez

Don't count your chickens before they hatch - or it isn;t over till the fat lady sings in Denver, my friend.. we will just have to see what happens, eh?

night all

Julie

I heartily agree about ignoring comments from people whom you know will upset you or anger you. The problem is that it's difficult to tell who is making a comment until you get to the end. Ergo, is it possible to show the commenter's name BEFORE the comment? I like hearing what most of you say whether I agree with you or not, but the acidic and vitriolic and hate-filled comments,especially about other commenters, are just such pains in the neck and advance nothing except steam from a hot-head.

Not a miracle Rez, a gullible public and a dishonest MSM.

bettyboo..

I always check name of poster first. It would make it easier if names were posted first.

There are three people I don't read at all. I also don't continue reading messages that are responding to the knotheads.

I began to get the impression that by replying to these people, I was dealing with mental or emotional illness. I'm not professionally trained to do this so I find it easier to just nor read or respond to people who I would never include in my daily life.

LOL, Jeez people -
I was referring to good fortune, not a religious experience.
Later..

LOL,
I am so happy these days..:))
Not only is what I was thinking about BO just turning out to be true. But moreover we see that he is making comments that are just too nice to be true

Trust him @ your own peril....:))
The only thing we have to do after June3rd...is sit back and relax. HRC just suspends her campign until two weeks before the convention. But before that day everyone will cry foul and ask her to come back and be the nominee.

BO and MO are the gifts that need no specific unwrapping, they selfdestruct!

Keep the good fight going for these last three primaries and then sit back, and watch the fruits of our labor.

Have no clue about SD and MO, but PR is 20+

HRC will be the nominee!

Now ain't this the goddamdest thing you ever head of? It's from the story in today's Times about Scott McClellan's new book:

"Mr. McClellan writes that top White House officials deceived him about the administration’s involvement in the leaking of the identity of a C.I.A. operative, Valerie Wilson. He says he did not know for almost two years that his statements from the press room that Karl Rove and I. Lewis Libby Jr. were not involved in the leak were a lie.

“Neither, I believe, did President Bush,” Mr. McClellan writes. “He too had been deceived, and therefore became unwittingly involved in deceiving me. But the top White House officials who knew the truth — including Rove, Libby, and possibly Vice President Cheney — allowed me, even encouraged me, to repeat a lie.”

Jason...SD is a caucus state...this Primary is meaningless.

Jason..Even though our primary is over, volunteers continue to phone for Hillary.I've been contacting South Dakota voters..very nice people.

Hillary is our best chance to win the White House in November..

That she is our best chance is a given OD.

But as I have said earlier, If BO somehow becomes the nominee, I will sit this one out. I cannot vote for Mc cain, but will not vote for BO.

I have said tis beofre: BO is acandidate that used every trick in the book to slam HRC. Used race and everything to make him the front runner (and cried foul when it was in his best interest), while HRC used tactics that made her look even worse.

He is nowhere on foreign policy. For goodness sake, if the man doesn´t even know that the USA does not consist of 57 states, how will he know the difference between Auschwitz and the other camps? Let alone know the history of Armenia?

But after all said and done, HRC will be the nominee.
The charge from SD´s to HRC will pick up steam.

In Holland they have a saying: "If one sheep crosses the dam, the rest will follow" ....The first sheep crossed yesterday. :))

If I remember correctly Craig issued an invitation (on one of his tv appearances) for McCain supporters to come and join in the fun here. One need not pay any more attention to them than is paid by anyone here to anyone else supporting any other candidate, but they're here by personal invitation from the host.

Oregon Democrat - from bethyboo

I try to remember (huh - not so easy these days) that one line from Desirata about staying away, when possible, from loud and vexatious people. The 'vexatious' part is the best, doncha think?

Will I be vexatious if I point out my name is bethy...not betty? Hope not.