Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Ah, the Powell Doctrine--overwhelming force

Nash....
aircraft?....... are you telling me that as a loyal Obama supporter you haven't noticed the price of airline tickets recently......
why..... I looked into a flight to Vegas last week and found out it'll cost me almost $200 more for just myself as compared to what it cost Rick and I to fly together 3 yrs ago..... now where the f*#@* am I going to get my gambling money.....

sheesh..... guess all I'm suppose to worry about is the price of arugula......

Pogo..... I have lots of glitter yarn..... but in order to use..... I'd have to become an infidel......

Craig, what's your gut feeling?
"Is such talk the product of fatigue and disappointment, or is there a strategy at work?"
Can we hillary supporters hang onto hope?

Congrats, flatus.

I'll be astounded if she goes nucular. She'll make her case, (is making her case) based on being able to beat McCain, and will show SDs how she can and Obama can't. They'll declare, and it will be over.

From prior thread re: Bloomberg:

Tell that to the truckers. And Bloomberg didn't win any votes from the driving poor on fixed incomes with that "dumbest" remark, either. It reflects his true Republican economic leanings IMHO, and I opposed the gas tax holiday until the perspective of the driving poor on fixed income angle was explained to me.

btw, the Republican reference is to his love of a regressive tax.

Ok..... snark off....

Craig..... I agree with your TM..... Clinton should back off....
if the nomination is not to be hers...... so be it.....

I really do think leaving gracefully will serve her very well in the future....

Dear Craig:

Question: What did HIllary Clinton say in her comments that referred to Obama's race? Her point was that she is appealing to white working class voters. The media then chooses to continue her sentence like this: "And Barack Obama cannot appeal to that demographic because he is black." That is not what she said, that is what you inferred from her comments.

In reality, the reason he is not capturing white working class voters is not because of his race...it is for many other reasons. Inexperience, elitism, too far left, the bitter comments etc. Injecting his race is the choice of the media and the Obama campaign based on their dogged determination to paint the Clintons as racist.

Kerry did not get the white working class vote and neither did Gore. They were both white. What's your excuse for their failure? Could it be for the same reasons that Obama isn't getting their vote? This is not a race-based issue. The only Democrat in recent history to get white working class voters? Bill Clinton. That may have something to do with her success with these voters. Not her race.

If what I'm reading and hearing from the "Tin Foil" sources is even partly true, Obama is more dangerous than any of you can imagine. There are powerful forces behind Obama, I have no doubt about that. How sinister are they? I don't know.

Yeah, but no one's treated her so gracefully so far. Maybe it would be worth it. An everything or nothing play. Sounds exciting, if nothing else. One thing about hillary, it's never boring.

From previous thread:

Truckers, Cabbies, Delivery Vans, Senior Center transportation. It's not just family vacation heading for the mountains.

What I resented was the portrayal of her "gas tax" proposal as being the whole of what she was recommending.

Certainly we need to get off the oil teat, develop mass transit, high speed rail, alternative energy blah blah blah, but while that is all going on as some sort of "Apollo" program, people have to get to work and perform their jobs. When it is cheaper for someone to go on welfare than it is to try to get to and from work to support a family, then it is hardly "dumb" to make it possible for them to do it.

POGO,

I missed Woodstock, I would have had to ride my paper route bike there. (But I probably would have gotten there faster than all those youths that abandoned their parents cars on the NYS Thruway and on the back roads of the Catskills.)

I was think that a perfect song to sooth the acrimony here is by the Hillside Singers "I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing (In Perfect Harmony)"

Second Choice Tiptoe Through the Tulips by Tiny Tim

Craig, this is the most exciting news I've seen in a while. You've given me a branch to grab onto.!

Kudos to Craig for finally (better late than never) acknowledging that which has been very obvious to many of us for a great long while, Hillary is playing the race card.

And the Democrats are in a frenzy again!!

Just after another great election night....

Again, record turn out, incredible energy, and the attention of millions all over this Country and the World.

Both candidates won victories and both gave speeches fitting into their narratives.

Obama will be a "change" and Clinton will be a "fighter" (and a relentless one at that.)

And all anyone spends their time talking about is how Clinton will tear apart the Democratic Party. A Party which she help build and is a senior stateswoman of.

And Obama will lose in a landslide victory to McCain. The talented candidate who has won record support - and has been signing up "new voters" - is going to lose to the GOP in the midst of an unpopular (and disastrous) war and a sinking enconomy (even though the Clintons set the table for Bush).

Get real. It is the Republicans who should be wringing their hands (and I bet there is plenty of that in private ; )

renee, wouldn't want you to become an infidel or anything and have all those muslims trying to kill you.

Yes, the price of airplane tickets is mirroring the price of gas (which is now $3.84.9 and up for regular here now.

The robocalls for our local elections have begun. AAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!

Ah the elitist energy message. No gas? Let them move into the city. sheesh

No bread? Let them eat {oh my god!} cake. double sheesh

Ally, reg. media says Barack Obama cannot appeal to that demographic because he is black." and "Injecting his race is the choice of the media".
Making an honest assessment of what's being said would not fit into the media's agenda. And there has been an agenda since this began. They continue to interpret everything the Clintons say through a racism prism.

You better hope that you have a pile of gold to bury in your back yard in Obama gets elected. Investors will be pulling out of the stock market as fast as they can to cash in their capital gains before that tax gets raised. ItThose wealthy supporters of Obama are probably already moving their money to protect it.

Craig,

Did they finally get to you. Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true. Hillary NEVER said what the news folk on CNN and MSNObama kept saying she said. I never thought I would say this, but FOX actually read the AP release she referred to in her response to the question about the USA Today muddle of a reprint.

I would love to see her go scorched earth. Not about race, but about total ineptitude, lack of ability to perform the job, race baiting, lies, and propaganda. If she loses, she loses, but blow the place up. He's earned it.

Bowman, see, I could have driven - if I had thought my 61 Belvedere would have made the trip and my parents wouldn't have cut off my college funding (read, Good morning Vietnam). No, those are the songs going through his supporters' heads.

Off to soccer game - be good.

By the way, Ted Kennedy is a supporter of Obama but his words should NOT be attributed to Barack himself. Obama has struck a much different tone.

"In an interview with CNN , he said he had not yet wrapped up the Democratic nomination, but when he did he would start the process of selecting a running mate. "She is tireless, she is smart. She is capable. And so obviously she'd be on anybody's shortlist to be a potential vice-presidential candidate," he said."

Kennedy is part of the old school of knock-down-drag-out political fights - that you Clintonites are so fond of. So perhaps when you hear some of what he has to say - you can see what it feels like to be on the other side of those so-called "political attacks."

It ain't pretty - and it sure as hell ain't productive. The only people that should be pushing Hillary out of this race are the voters in the Democratic primaries.

(Get ready for the fiesta in Puerto Rico!!)

You people are amazing!! I don't know which piece of misinformation to respond to first.

And Gordo - you should move to Central America ASAP. Tranquilo tranquilo...

I don't understand the purpose of a "nuclear option" because to do so will even further alienate Barack Obama supporters. Look, I love Hillary... I think she would be a great President. My view of Barack Obama (amazement at his 2004 Democratic Convention Keynote Speech and pride in his election win) has changed. The election process has created a divide that is hard to ignore. If we keep attacking each side, we only play in the hands of John McCain. I do not hate Barack Obama, though I think his wife is a younger version of Leona Helmsley, without the charm.

I think the possible scenario Craig has laid out in this blog would spell "disaster" for Hillary, not only for a potential future Presidential run, but also her place in the history of the Democratic Party. Not winning sucks, especially in politics. I think she should still campaign, but not with an extreme attack campaign, it is like Craig said (even with his little typo). Both Hillary and Barack would be further damaged. The madness has got to stop.

And please try to be friggin' kind to one another.

Not only that but think about the Supreme Court and the historic moment if a African American is elected President... We have two "first timers" so for those constituencies who are on the "losing" side, it hurts, and it will hurt for a while.

That's all I got to say.... Oh and I will be in Amsterdam for 3 days. Back on Monday.. and no not to smoke pot. Cheers!

Willie Brown is a treasure. That appearance on Tweety's show deserves a plug: New book

"Basic Brown"

Poll Results Spread
West Virginia Democratic Primary
ARG* Clinton 66, Obama 23 spread Clinton +43.0

Kentucky Democratic Primary SurveyUSA
Clinton 62, Obama 28 Clinton +34.0

Amazing!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html

Looks like the Obama side has chosen the nuclear option.

Ted Kennedy's Divisive Rhetoric
By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:04:19 PM EST

I am a big fan of Ted Kennedy but he does the Democratic Party a great disservice with this type of talk:

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama isn't likely to pick rival Hillary Clinton as a running mate, according to one of his most prominent supporters. "I don't think it's possible," Massachusetts Senator Edward Kennedy said in an interview on Bloomberg Television's "Political Capital With Al Hunt," airing this weekend.

Kennedy, 76, without naming names, said Obama should pick someone who "is in tune with his appeal for the nobler aspirations of the American people. If we had real leadership -- as we do with Barack Obama -- in the No. 2 spot as well, it'd be enormously helpful," Kennedy said.

What a terrible terrible thing to say. The Obama camp should disavow it. Unless he said it at their behest. In which case, we are gonna lose in November.

By Big Tent Democrat, speaking for me only
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/9/17419/80068

Someone please tell me that I saw this wrong. Flipping channels and Chris Matthews had a cartoon graphic of "Snagglepuss" complete with the name, and saying Exit Stage Left....referring to Hillary. Is that how he depicted her or did I miss something? If it is, then I give up. It is the most reprehensible thing I've seen since that nutcracker.

A female candidate is being publicly stoned. And Matthews sneers and snickers.

Patsi, reg. A female candidate is being publicly stoned.
He does that daily. Insults Hillary, Bill and anyone who supports them.

Ally:

I agree with most of your post. The media always injects race to sensationalize the "political drama". God forbid they spend their time discussing any policy - or perhaps current events (well that's not true - they do spend plenty of time discussing sports, the weather and every tragic story they can find).

"In reality, the reason he is not capturing white working class voters is not because of his race...it is for many other reasons. Inexperience, elitism, too far left, the bitter comments etc."

In reality - HRC has strong support based on the Clinton name and her appeal to women. And even though many of these working class voters have adopted the "talking points" of the Clinton campaign and the GOP - this does not mean that these loyal Democratic voters will not vote for Obama.

(Of course some won't - and some of Obama's supporters won't vote for Clinton. Big deal. Both candidates have broken all records in terms of support.)

Obama has shown he can win over white voters. Especially when he has time to campaign and meet such voters. One of the biggest reasons Obama is where he is - he won Iowa (and it sure as hell wasn't because of the black vote).

(You know what happens in the states where the "black vote" actually does play a major role - Obama wins by 15-30 points.)

ET....
great post.... and I agree with you..... life is precious..... time to get over it.....

let the primaries play themselves out.... and then let her leave gracefully.....
unless she really knows something about Obama that could hurt this country.....

it's weekend time!...... Happy Mother's Day to all you mothers out there.....

Ally:

I actually saw all the misinformation after your post. Yours was pretty insightful (albeit slanted ; )

Patsi you are so right. And that is the kind of sh*t that is just denigrating and defaming. But Chris Matthews is so in love with himself that he finds everything he says and does to be inherently witty, correct and even interesting. I am sure that he stops and gawks at every mirror he sees (probably leaving lip grease on it as he kisses his own reflection. I am sure if he could physically do it, he would even kiss his own ass). I think of Oscar Wilde's "Dorian Gray" story and the image Dorian maintained on the exterior but what an empty soul he was inside.

Chris "Dorian Gray" Matthews will eventually lose it all because such arrogant people usually do. If we are to name MSM "trolls", Chris would lead the list.

Cheers,

ok now I really gotta go to bed. We catch the train at 7 am and it's 11:30 pm. Goodnight and well wishes to all ! Also Happy Mother's Day to all you Moms out there.

Don't forget to send flowers!

Tom -- that graphic has left me honest-to-God shaken. I've not seen anything so downright evil. They are talking about blacks burning down Denver? I think women should storm NBC with torches. It is truly malevolent.

If this is the new mindset of Democrats, well, I think there may be no place for me in the party.

And how are the Republicans going to justify claiming that Obama is "inexperienced" and "could be dangerous" for this Country when they nominated George W. Bush OVER John McCain.

Bush had experience failing in business and baseball, dodging the millitary and winning elections based on his father's name (and money). And W would not have gotten into Ivy League schools if his name wasn't Bush.

Barack Obama got into those schools in spite of his name. Obama is a an intelligent, self-made man who has experience in succeeding by bringing people together. Look as his 2004 speech, The Audacity of Hope and how he has run an incredible campaign that may enable him to defeat the most powerful political machine going.

This is Obama's narrative. It is not a campaign slogan.

Woe is me Patsi... I don't think the sky is falling just yet.

(You could always say f*ck it all and join a cult ; )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtkVGClqrT4

Warren -----------------------------

Please go to this link and read the entire article.

http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/05/new-american-disenfranchisement.html

patsi says If this is the new mindset of Democrats, well, I think there may be no place for me in the party.

Hillary said she always felt the Republican party left her
more than she left the Republican party (civil rights,
war). Maybe the Democratic party is leaving us behind.

Patsi...
I stopped watching cable news a few months ago and I feel so much better for it..... the Chris Matthews of the world don't matter..... unless you let them matter.....

I also decided a month ago that what my friend predicted to me while watching a football game back in early December was prophetic..... at the time we were all making jokes about McCain being toast..... he told me McCain would be our next president...... I now believe him.....

ok..... gotta go now.....
everyone have a wonderful weekend!

I think that campaigns are about people who can run the country, yes? To change the subject for a minute to something a bit more serious and to think about when deciding. Let's go back to Blackwater tearing up a village in Iraq and who will not face prosecution thanks to "Dr." Rice. Does anyone here remember the building of the Halliburton plant on the shores of the Caspian sea - get a map - it's one of the 2 things you can see from outer space, it and the great wall of China, they are related here. To pump the oil from the northern wells in Iraq they need, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Northern Iran, hence the Blackwater mercs, to protect the pipeline. Now they need a reason to go after Iran, didn't they just get one, the Iranian trained and armed Hezbollah who just, very conveniently, supposedly started a war with the puppet Gov't of Lebanon, we can't really blame Syria because they just told Jimmy Carter that they would sign any peace agreement returning the Golan Heights. So let's blame Iran, these guys are killing innocent civilians just like Saddam did? Now we have to go in and change the regime in Iran, so says Dick Cheney. If anyone over here thinks that they will see one drop of that oil, think again, Halliburton(Cheney) will sell it to the Chinese at an exorbitant profit( they are buying up everything they can because they have the money to do so and with world supplies diminishing, and the middle east the tinderbox it is, it's a simple case of supply and demand). What will the unseasoned, unrealistic, inexperienced Barack Obama do about this - how will he stop it? I don't think holding a dialogue with Iran will help. How about the guys behind him, do they have enough clout? Maybe it needs a former, extremely well-regarded, ex - president to handle it. Let's hope someone can.....We already know from her tenure as National Security Advisor, and Secretary of State that "Dr" Rice is as useles as it's humanly possible to be, besides I believe she's a member of the Carlyle group and I'm sure they want this to succeed, and "Texas Two-Step" Karen Hughes, well, I mean, aren't we all good oilmen together.

nogrudge:

The Republican Party is Hillary's biggest fan right now.

She is attacking Obama for more successfully than John McCain ever could.

Warren -- You think that's funny? I used to think you were just young and excited over your candidate. Now I see I was wrong.

If the DNC has a single overarching purpose, it's to insure equity and transparency in the nominating process for a presidential nominee. Everything else flows from that raison d'etre.

It has failed miserably.

If anybody can list some of the things they have done well, please share them.

anon-p

"The Jew is pricked by a pin and remembers other pins. It is only by tracing the pinprick back to other pinpricks . . . that the Jew is able to know why it hurts. When a Jew encounters a pin, he asks: What does it remember like?"

Alex writing to Jonathan in Everything Is Illuminated

flatus asks "If anybody can list some of the things they have done well, please share them."

I think you may have a long wait.
I for one have drawn a blank.

tip of the iceberg

fasten your seat belts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7Yd80tXs_4

Sorry Pats . . . I didn't know you were such a delicate flower.

I just think the Democartic Party is looking pretty strong right now.

Just a little political in-fighting - and if the Party can't dust itself off and focus on getting back the White House after this historic race - than they don't deserve it.

"At this point, Barack is the presumptive nominee," said Emanuel. "Hillary can't win but something could happen that Barack could lose the nomination."

Emanuel wouldn't go so far as to say that Clinton should drop out. "Next question!" he said when asked.
Friday's comments by Emanuel, who served as a top aide in the Clinton White House, are sure to receive lots of attention.

Appearing on HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher" back in April of 2006, Emanuel voiced his support for Clinton's presidential bid.

"I'm supporting Hillary Clinton," said Emanuel. "I'm public about it."

But once fellow Chicago Democrat Obama, who is close to Emanuel, expressed his interest in running for president, the House Democratic Caucus Chairman struck a neutral pose and has remained neutral since then.
Warren, Brian, and anyone else who needs a little tickle on the funny bone.

"I'm hiding under the desk," Emanuel famously told the Chicago Sun-Times in November of 2006. "I'm very far under the desk, and I'm bringing my paper and my phone."

Emanuel's comments first appeared on the HuffingtonPost and were later confirmed with Emanuel's staff by ABC News

Mr. Crawford;
I am an old doll who remembers too much, and thinks too much(have too much time on my hands.) I wanted to thank you for sitting on the fence and presenting us another side of things, one you don't see on cable. If Hillary has the goods she should shred this guy and his back-up if at all possible, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen". They wouldn't think twice about doing it to her, especially since the "old money" brokers in party are looking to swing the power structure. So much for change in Washington.

Pat Buchannon, an insightful analyst, whether I agree with him or not: "The Hillary Democrats"
http://www.creators.com/opinion/pat-buchanan.html

and Flatus, told you it'd be a long, long wait.

"Just a little political in-fighting "

Warren -- I am talking about sanctioned sexism. Now I know that "sexism" is considered a joke by you and Nash and Brian and a few others -- but it is not a joke.

I have a granddaughter, pal. And I want her to grow up in a decent country.

Wendy:

At least the Republicans will be asking questions of Obama.

Most in the GOP have already written off the Clintons - and would see this campaign as the last opportunity to really attack them (and hopefully draw some blood). It would get nasty.

(The Republicans would be ten-times worse than the Obama campaign. The "attacks" from Obama pale in comparison to what Rush and Hannity would be saying if they thought she was likely going to be the nominee.)

And they would also be trashing the idea of universal healthcare and be using it as a wedge issue. Making it all the more difficult to pass - just like they did with the Immigration.

said the joke!

Hope Chopper and Lardass are having fun
"Patsi...I just coined it tonight:
Spindrool: A collection of random unrelated factoids hastily pulled together in an illogical fashion in order to sustain an ongoing wet dream. Spindrool.
Heck. Maybe it'll make the list for this year's National Spelling Bee. The regionals were today, by the way.
Posted by: LardassLiberal | March 27, 2008 8:21 PM
Hi gang. Been out all day, and see that lots of you are finding fun uses for "spindrool." I also love Ty's alternative "spinspit", which has it's own nuances of maning.
A word of warning: Spindrool should not be used as an all-purpose substitute for "spin", though. It is only the type of spin being promulgated by a sincere, true-believer. And yes, Warren, you were the inspiration -- since you are the truest and most impassioned of all believers here. And Jamie -- that's why "wet dream" needs to be part of the definition -- because it implies more of a passionate flight of fantasy than does merely saying "political position"

politicallypissed says. "If Hillary has the goods she should shred this guy"

I like your style!

and like you said, "They wouldn't think twice about doing it to her".

You go girl!

Warren------------------------------

Try to expand your sources of information.

Jay Severin, is predicting Obama to lose minimum of 40 states and hoping for a total blowout of 50. He hates McCain (too liberal) but is estatic that Obama is the presumptive nominee. It is incredulous that the democrats are going to put up the weaker candidate.

I frequently disagree with his political stands, but his analysis of the contests is worth considering. He says Obama loses because he cannot get the traditional blue collar democratic base, the independents or crossover republicans.

First, here is what some conservatives think the nuclear option is

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/05/hillary_clintons_nuclear_optio.html

Strange that many Left wingers and Right wingers who hate Clinton claim she was responsible for the Wright video clips, but Haniity says that is absurd. Fox spent some time digging them up. Then Obama supporters say, "see Haniity is defending Hillary". What nonsense. This is the Obmaniacs version of guilt by association they have been playing ever since Obama called Hillary a Republican Lite. Republicans attack Obama then they must be in bed with Hillary. Yet when Republicans attacked Hillary, Obama said great and claimed such hostility was the reason to vote for him. Now I'm supposed to let Ayers and Wright, Khalidi and others drift into the abyss because THAT is guilt by association?

Rubbish. Obama's biggest fan club and base are the NeoLIberals. Obama staffers can tell AAs in NC that "we gotta get our man into the WH", but Hillary and Bill were called racists long ago. Nogrudge may be right and a number of Republicans have told me this is exactly what they hope the sea change will be. It led to Reagan and it will probably lead to an eventual Black and perhaps Female Republican candidate. After all it was only a several decades ago that Blacks moved from the Republicans to the Democrats.

The thing that amazes me more than anything is that here is a candidate that got his first political backing from the family of a Weatherman bomber who back in 1995 was stomping on the flag. He got his backing from Rezko who worked with Auhi who Obama never claimed he did not know was a good friend to Rezko and Saddam. Obama joined Trinity and made friends with Khalidi. How is this anything like the values I support as a LIBERAL? Don't give me excuses. Why these people and not others? Does anyone here like these people or think that they represent the message Obama is now trying to sell? How did this very LIberal bunch become Obama's circle and why should attacks on these profound adult choices be dismissed as unimportant? Did Obama serve in the military? What makes him an expert in foreign policy to the point he says he doesn't need an expert as VP, he's expert enough? Why did Obama wait so long to attack Wright? Because Wright had called Obama a liar and not because of positions Wright HAS ALWAYS MAINTAINED? What is here in the story that reaffirms the Liberal values I have? Why should I believe anything Obama says? Why are his values defined over time my Liberal values?

When Obama's record is examined there is little Obama ever introduced into law. The bills he touts were often created and advanced before he signed them. He claims he is a fierce supporter of Israel. How so, because he says he is? His advisors point in a completely different direction.

If one considers these things to be valid problems, then the nuclear option is not swift-boating or irrational. If you think what Obama says at the moment is the measue of the man, then the nuclear option is swift-boating, though a bit different because it doesn't make false claims, but rather says certain FACTS SHOULD COUNT IN EVALUATING OBAMA"S CHARACTER.

The only reason Hillary is said to be attacking Obama effectively is that Democrats would counter McCain's claims as inventions simply because McCain is a Republican. More identity politics. Hillary gives them some weight, but she has hardly been ferocious in her attacks. Republicans will. They will go nuclear the day Obama is declared the nominee. The problem will be the commercials coming will be factual and contain Obama's own words. Unlike the attack on Kerry which was not factual, Obama will have little to refute them other than they are distractions. Quickly Obama supporters will call those who oppose Obama racists. The DNC will offer ads of our troops getting blown up and try to paint McCain as simply Bush. Some in the Press will finally explore Michelle's thesis, the various groups associated with Trinity as Obama continues to go there. Will he have Moss swear Obama in? Will Sharpton and Sheehan be WH visitors. Obama has already offer sound bites about the capital gains tax. His economic policies ladden with social funding will not be strong against McCain. I can imagine the commericals of Obama stuttering. GAWD.

Of course, what Obama has assembled in not what I pictured Liberalism to be. I do not support the mentors, friends, advisors to Obama. Why should I support him? There is another Liberalism I picture, but perhaps a value set that will need to wait for a new Party to emerge, or for Republicans and Democrats to change. Until then, those who are New Democrats, who support more centrist, pluralistic thinking free from the absurd ideological chaos and extremism of the Left and Right, should vote for the candidate closer to the center.

I suspect that like Iran, this election cycle will go nuclear eventually. A fair vetting of facts by an impartial third party like the media would have prevented this. But unfortunately, such an impartial third party does not exist. Take cover.

I sure haven't sanctioned sexism.

I make racist jokes and sexist jokes because I feel I am a lot more progressive on these issues than most.

I would rather make jokes than speak in code words and demographics.

People need to talk about racism and sexism rationally - too much passion makes these issues radioactive. The "touchy" nature of these taboo subjects often cause people to tuck these thoughts away in the closet and only bring them up when they are angry or scared.

I would rather joke. I think the Chappelle Show did a great job commenting on race in today's society through humor.

McCain 08!

Obama/Steinbrenner '08!

I am off to watch Lost on the DVR.

Had to miss it last night preparing for an argument against a "say-anything do-anything" type of lawyer. We won.

(fyi - I was not the one arguing - that job was the female partner's. See Patsi - I can work well with the ladies even though I can be a jackass ; )

Dave Chapelle felt very guilty for how he portrayed race on his show. He said that to Oprah on her show.

Chappelle is far more honest than Obama has ever been. I would vote for him before voting for Obama.

Oprah can make people admit to anything.

That show was hysterical - and a lot truer to life than a lot of other crap on TV.

smoking with white peeps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRpYoTX6ACs&feature=related

Chappelle is far more honest than Obama has ever been. I would vote for him before voting for Obama.

Posted by: Maxtrue | May 9, 2008

Might as well admit that you'd never vote for Senator Clinton either.......

Your a McCain guy.

Well Warren, if your dreams come true then I can't wait for Lil Obambi and his children cast of characters. I can only hope they will be as vicious and disturbing as the ones on Lil Bush. Maybe the first episode will be Wright, after swearing in God Damn Obama, tries to paint the White House black, but is stoppped Lil Gore who lectures him that black would increase global warming while white will reflect sunlight.

Is that funny enough for you? Or will those late night crack marathons in the Lincoln Bedroom be funnier? And will the Liberals try to get such stuff banned unlike their laughter at Lil BUsh?

Hhhmmmm

I don't know Sheila. I bet Chappelle could win over some Independents.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywQ-DEqBKHA&feature=related

This blog has been like bad acid today.

" he won Iowa (and it sure as hell wasn't because of the black vote). "

He won Iowa because his management trained the caucus organizers to intimidate everybody into obedience, and they proceeded to do it in every caucus afterwards.

Sen. Clinton's management weren't prepared for the strong arm tactics and manipulation and really messed up. The early caucuses put her behind the eight ball at the start and really hurt the delegate count.. Add that to the primaries where ethnic votes counted for more delegates than non ethnic votes and not counting FL or MI as well, made it very difficult to catch up on the delegate count.

I like the idea of late night crack marathons in the Lincoln Bedroom.

(But that sounds more like Kennedy than Obama ; )

This one is good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuTjQLfU6Gk&feature=related

Now I am really of to get Lost.

"Sen. Clinton's management weren't prepared for the strong arm tactics and manipulation and really messed up."

And that's the type of leadership we want in the White House?

"Jay Severin, is predicting Obama to lose minimum of 40 states and hoping for a total blowout of 50."

I'm really tired of the "racist" attack from Obama and his supporters. The statement of historical facts (MLK & LBJ), demographic voting patterns, remarks twisted and taken out of context, etc. are all used as weapons. I hope Severin gets his wish - Obama can have DC.

Jamie you keep coming back to that excuse for Hillary's dismal showing in the caucuses, it's not exactly a winning point.

This blog has been like bad acid today.

Posted by: BrianInNYC

"Sen. Clinton's management weren't prepared for the strong arm tactics and manipulation and really messed up."

And that's the type of leadership we want in the White House?

Posted by: BrianInNYC

OOPSIE!

Bad acid reflux!

Hah!

The Clintons "weren't prepared for the strong arm tactics and manipulation." Nice one Jamie!

What - did they think those tactics were theirs exclusively?

Don't worry 9/11, I see you.

I voted twice for Bill, so why wouldn't I vote for Hillary. I can't tell you how many hours I will still spend calling for voters for her. Try another one Shelia and please refrain from implying I am a liar even if my words are disturbing for you to hear. I have always been quite honest here and it is sad that you have to suggest I am lying in your attempt to counter my words. You know it starts small Shelia. First you'll lie and say I would never really vote for Hillary and next you'll be calling me a racist. Right? I think you owe me an apology.

Instead of trash talking, simply refute the logic of my post. I guess you like those people Obama hung out with. They must be your kind of people, your kind of values. To me, they are not. I wouldn't let Ayers piss on my yard. I suppose you think Moss is a fine Rev too. I suppose you think Khalidi has moderate views on Israel. But who you hang out with doesn't matter. I get it.

Or do you just want me to believe Shelia? Is that my sin now, that I refuse to let Obama into my soul and experiance the greater truth? Now why would a rational person do that.? Is Obama some kind of godly person that requires faith? Why can't his record, friends, mentors, advisors be the measure of the suit? Is such blind faith now a new equirement in the NeoLiberal handbook of values? You gotta send me a copy Shelia so I can read about what I am now supposed to believe in. I though lying and bad company was a no no. I thought having it both ways was immature. I thought playing race was in bad taste,

Wrong about me Shelia, but you're a Obamniac clear as day. I can sense the twinkle in your eyes.

I hope Severin gets his wish - Obama can have DC.

Posted by: GORDO

GORDO,

I thought you thought he was AC-DC already.

"And Jamie -- that's why "wet dream" needs to be part of the definition -- because it implies more of a passionate flight of fantasy than does merely saying "political position"

Another run of the mill insult for anyone who thinks Sen. Obama has no business being President. According to his base no one has a right to another opinion.

We all did a pretty good job of guessing who we thought would be best for VP on the Dem Side. ;0)

Obama Vice President Picks: Who Are The Frontrunners?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/09/obama-vice-president-pick_n_100869.html

Brian,

I'm amazed.

I thought your personal anthem was Smoke Gets In My Eyes!

9/11 survivor (sort of)---------------------

"I thought you thought he was AC-DC already."

That could be "The Scandal". Larry Sinclair has provided the Chicago Police with all the phone numbers. Those of you (if any) who have been following this story know what I mean.

"And Jamie -- that's why "wet dream" needs to be part of the definition -- because it implies more of a passionate flight of fantasy than does merely saying "political position"

I'm not convinced she wasn't purposefully sabotaged, but if not then it was a case of actually expecting the O'bama team to have some sense of ethics.

She couldn't do anything about the overloading of the weight of various districts.

TERRY MCAULIFFE: Well first of all, as you know Mark, both of them, both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are themselves going to have to decide who they think is going to be their best Vice President. For the rest of us it's speculation and presumption and all that.
I'm just -- I'll put on my former chairman of the Democratic Party hat -- I think it's a great idea at the end of this process for us all to be together...

I do get excited about the possibility of having Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton crisscrossing this country in the fall of 2008. I think that would be pretty exciting. But I have absolutely no say in it. Hillary Clinton and I have never talked about it. But as former chairman of the party it does get you somewhat excited

Max--ref your:
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/05/going-nuclear-means-all-or-not.html#comment-79839

Why do you call them neo libs? We should really be more creative.

How about Neuvo Elites? or Pre Adults? or Post Partums? How about Post Racial Sexists? Or Need No Loyalists? Or...

"How about Neuvo Elites? or Pre Adults? or Post Partums? How about Post Racial Sexists? Or Need No Loyalists?"

Somebody has protect the world from you war mongering types flatus.

You got it , Brian. Nuke them until they glow.

Flatus you're not telling me anything I don't already know about you.

Ah, you're so perceptive.

Brian ---------------------

"Somebody has protect the world from you war mongering types flatus."

Try to educate yourself on some of Obama's advisers. You are as lacking in knowledge as Warren.

Gordo the only thing that will protect the word from the likes of you is a securely fastened straight jacket and heavy sedation.

Flatus you're not telling me anything I don't already know about you.

Posted by: BrianInNYC

Pee-wee: I know you are but what am I?
Francis: You're a nerd!
Pee-wee: I know you are but what am I?
Francis: You're an idiot!
Pee-wee: I know you are but what am I?
Pee-Wee, Francis: I know you are but what am I? I know you are but what am I? I know you are but what am I?

Ah, Brian. Originality is such a sin for you.

However, I love your week old Eddie Haskell trope. ("Oh, hi, Mrs. Cleaver. My, you look lovely today..") It lets you return briefly to those days when you used to suck up to Craig whenever he posted like he was your very own Barbara Billingsley in pearls.)

But I must say I wipe away a bone dry tear whenever I think of your past lovelies... such shows of character!

"I'm bored."

"I'm not going to play that game."

And my absolute favorite statement -- "You had better adjust your meds, so-and so!"

I know... you tend a lot less to Oscar Wilde and so much more to Oscar Meyer in what makes up your wit. (Pig lips, with or without lipstick, for starters.)

But whatchagonnado?

Anyways... you never answer my question --

Who do you REALLY support?

Snowball?

Or Napoleon?

(I'm bettin' it's Nappy.)

GORDO, you sure make ME nervous buddy!

Brian says:

Somebody has protect the world from you war mongering types flatus.

The sensible response is:

You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall.
We use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!

We need Heather . Are you there?

Re the Iowa caucuses. Did any of you watch the coverage on C-Span? If you did, you will know that the Richardson supporters folded and bolted to Obama before the first round of supporters was even counted. At one caucus, Richardson needed only four delegates to become viable...while two female supporters took on the job of finding supporters, when they returned to their corner of the room, 90% of their fellow supporters had fled, before the first count was done.
Was it a put-up job? There have been reports that it was.

Bowmanc,

You just gave Maureen Dowd her orgasm since Aaron Sorkin dumped her.

Brian---------------------

You are so easy to read. The better my aim, the nastier you get! Why do you let yourself be manipulated this way?

Anyone here from New York...could you please explain to me why Vito Fosselli can't run for his seat again? After all, Rep Burton has an illegitimate child and he's from Indiana...a place that's far more conservative than Staten Island. Did he abandon the kid or something?

9/11 if it helps her out, it's OK with me. Although it seems much like Donald and Lydia in an old John Prine song.

Why does HRC have to go nuclear? If she can just hang on and not release her delegates, Rezko may spill the beans as part of a plea bargain. If there are any beans to spill, that is.

maggisd,

My friends in his district hate his hypocrisy: the ones who didn't like him at all saw it long before he exposed it to the world, the ones who bought what he was selling see him as a con artist and want him exiled from public service.

Also... he came near enough to losing his seat the last go round and there are strongish opponents ready for him on both the GOP and Dem sides of the column.

Finally... SI is a bunch of small neighborhoods... and many people know his wife (who represented him at more functions in the borough than he did himself) and like her.

Thanks for the info. All I know about the district is that it used to belong to Susan whatshername (I forgot her last name) and her father before that. She is pretty moderate, but I always thought Vito was a lot more conservative. I was just curious.

bowmanc,

Oh boy... John Prine.

His name coming up next to Sorkin's would make poor old Aaron run down to Florida to glom down his psilocybin shrooms direct from those cow turds as fast as he could find 'em.

There was an article at Real Clear Politics today, examining Sen Obama's NC victory speech. He said in that speech that we should not be afraid to talk with our enemies like Roosevelt, Truman, and Kennedy did.
He seems to think that Roosevelt and Truman held talks with Hitler and Hirohito or something. And, much as I admired and loved the man, when JFK met with Krushchev in Vienna -- without an agreed upon agenda -- Krushchev decided that JFK was so naive that he would not do anything if the USSR sent missiles to Cuba.

maggisd, reg. the Iowa caucuses and Richardson delegates. I read the same thing the other day. That many in the party's far left were in on this plan to defeat Clinton. It was well planned and Richardson was part of it.

9/11 you are making me laugh tonight. I am going back and forth between this nonsense and the Big Lebowski which is just a scream, especially when you are watching it with a couple of 14yo boys.

"Why does HRC have to go nuclear? If she can just hang on and not release her delegates, Rezko may spill the beans as part of a plea bargain..."

Maggi, because that's what women have been doing since the beginning of time. It's time to stop this BS.

I've told my granddaughter that she would make a great president. And I believe it.

But, it's up to me and the rest of like minded individuals, to help the single woman in our country who is willing to accept the pain of fighting through the phalanx of bigots, to pave the way for her.

nogrudge: Yep -- and I saw it happening. In 2004 delegates switched as well, but only after the initial count and with a lot of negotiating (although I believe Kucinich had publicly advised his delegates to caucus for Edwards where they weren't viable.
I guess that's what happens when you run against a "community organizer" from the south side of Chicago.

bowmanc --

Nothing better to watch together with teenagers -- absolutely nothing.

Particularly as we visit a place filled with so many Walters, Maudes, Jesus Quintanas, Nihilists...

A couple of nice Donnies...

And a Dude who abideth named Craig.

Bring back the two thirds rule! Bring back the solid South Dixiecrats! Bring back the White People's Party campaign of 1868! Clinton still has a chance...right?

bowmanc,

Chemo brain!

How could I forget who was just as essential our Dude --

Our Stranger -- Colorado Bob.

Man, why did Jesus Quintana scream him out of this bowling alley?

Flatus: In principle I agree with you, but I do not want to see her ruin her entire public service record in this fight. I know she is fighting for us, and I know that she knows this is her one and only chance and that it may be decades before another woman comes along who is so uniquely positioned not only to become President but to be an effective President. I don't think I'd mind so much if I didn't suspect that Sen Obama is an illusion. I just don't think we can ask too much of her...

The funny thing about Hillary, is that if she uses the "nuclear" method, and it works, she will have prevailed.

If it fails, everyone will just say, "she's a Clinton, they fight to win , what else would you expect ? "

I think the MSM unintentionally has opened the door for her to do whatever she wants. She's been painted as a "fighter" and "ruthless politician" and many people like that....so she has nothing to lose.

Bowman......check out on you tube, The Short F'ing Version of the Big Lebowski for another hoot......

flattus says: "But, it's up to me and the rest of like minded individuals, to help the single woman in our country who is willing to accept the pain of fighting through the phalanx of bigots, to pave the way for her.'

Hillary is lucky to have you on her side (as is your granddaughter)!

Nothing new under the sun ... political fighting division

http://mediainformatics.biz/kidsbook/duel.html

9/11

You are right. Some of those scenes are just too much, especially when combined with the early teen sensibilities.

Am I right Dude?

You mark that frame an 8, and you're entering a world of pain.

Gevan: It might be nice, however, to bring back the pre-1988 system of apportioning delegates rather than the current method where South Central votes are more heavily weighted than the votes in the barrio. Setting aside the caucus system, shouldn't the primaries at least be one person one vote?

jamie,

I'm confused.

Which one stands for change? Which one is the old politics?

Is the clock a plate-ist?

Is the plate associated with revolutionary food groups?

Aren't those the only REAL divisions bright people discuss?

This discussion about the nuclear option made me think of my late best friend from grammar school days. Everytime she had to deal with the insurance company or an auto mechanic or the electrician or the plumber she would say "Why do they make me act like a bitch?" I love that phrase...it is so apt. It's what's happening to Hillary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5vrZcjtiGI

maggisd & flatus,

I think "nuclear option" is a mystic anagram for "menopausal".

burrito says She's been painted as a "fighter" and "ruthless politician" and many people like that....so she has nothing to lose."

I like the way you thnk

If HRC is going nuclear, it may be because Ted Kennedy started the war to stomp the Clintons into the ground. And once again in the democratic party, everything old is now new. So, much for change when it appears the Kennedy Klan is now running the party. I guess the only way for total Kennedy rule is to kill off the Clintons...there is no other way.

I grew-up in awe of the Kennedys, but in reality they are no different than any other political family. There is plenty of dirty laundry to go around to cover generations. But, today it is almost sacrilege to discuss. Yep, this appears to be a power war between the Kennedys and the Clintons.

"Aren't those the only REAL divisions bright people discuss?"

You get what you get. It was either "The Duel" or a suggestion that Mrs. McCain and Mrs. Obama slug it out. Either one of them could give Lady MacBeth lessons.

burrito says She's been painted as a "fighter" and "ruthless politician" and many people like that....so she has nothing to lose."

I like the way you thnk

Has anyone seen the polls lately? Hillary still the stronger candidate against McCain. And, actually she's doing Obama a favor by staying in at least through May 20...how would it look if he lost WV and KY by 20 points if she had already folded her tent?

"I just don't think we can ask too much of her..."

Maggi, she's in combat. How can we not ask it of her? If she chickens out people will say she didn't have what it takes. And the next time a woman steps up, they'll say, "If Hillary couldn't do it, how can we expect her to be able to do it?"

Think about it. Who's the first hero that Mrs Clinton mentions? Eleanor Roosevelt. She's trying to fulfill Mrs Roosevelt's legacy.

Don't sell her short!

Blond Wino

Teddy has always been the spoiled baby boy of the family. Age has not added grace to the temper tantrums. He may be sober now, but a mean drunk is still a mean drunk even without the alcohol.

Jamie...thank you for "The Duel." and Basic Brown is a great recommendation. Thinking vs. political people -- there is a huge difference.

Blonde: I can't tell you how disappointed I am in Teddy Kennedy. His brother was my political hero...and I have to tell you I think both his brothers would be appalled at Teddy's politics.
Don't forget that the Robert Kennedy family backed Hillary.
I think Teddy's problem with the Clintons might stem from 1) welfare reform; 2) the health insurance thing which Teddy thought was his bailiwick, 3) what Hillary said about LBJ bringing to fruition the Civil Rights legislation that MLK and JFK had dreamed about. All the Kennedys despised LBJ.
And finally, I guess if Teddy couldn't become king, he wants to be the kingmaker.

maggi, she's up a whopping 43 points in West Virginia(according to real clear politics).
And in the general she's up 9pts above McCain.

AP: In her latest construct for winning the Democratic nomination, Hillary Clinton now says that she's a strict constructionist of the Constitution. As a result, she's going back to the early days of the Republics and thinks that all black people should be counted as 3/5 of a person, allowing her to take over the popular vote in her battle with Illinois Senator Barack Obama.

"I don't understand why hard working white Americans," she said on a campaign stop in West Virginia, "should have to count the same as these blacks. I mean, they'll always be there for the Democratic Party, so they don't really count. By making them 3/5 of a person again, we're actually making sure that everyone counts in accordance to their importance."

Back in New York, former Vice Presidential candidate and Clinton supporter Geraldine Ferraro agreed.

"It's such a fabulous idea, I don't know why I didn't think about it," Ferraro said. "Now don't get me wrong, I love Negroes and always have. I've employed Negroes at my estate in Long Island when others were going with Mexicans. So my liberal credentials are impeccable. But if Puerto Ricans, and they're not even real Americans, can vote in our primaries but not our presidential elections, why not marginalize the Negroes? I'm sending Hillary another dollar."

Bill Clinton was unavailable for comment as he was last seen in a hot tub in Las Vegas. Sources who agreed to talk on the basis of anonymity, said that the former president was okay with the plan, stating that he already had given the African American community "half assed support" during his own administration, so counting blacks as 3/5 of a people would be a step up. The source continued to say that Clinton is now stomping for votes in Las Vegas' finest strip clubs.

nogrudge: I know; I think the Dems just can't bring themselves to nominate a centrist anymore. It's as if that part of the party is worth nothing to them.

Jamie: I know what Hillary can do if she doesn't get the nomination - she can bargain for Health and Human Services and force Teddy to have to work with her to get anything accomplished. hehehehe

maggi, out of all the reasons you listed I think it's the last one:

"And finally, I guess if Teddy couldn't become king, he wants to be the kingmaker."

They used to be friends, their families vacationing together, etc.

Daily Gallup.

As hard as she has been stomped on in the last week, Sen. Obama can still barely get a two point lead

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107176/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Yet-Pulling-Away.aspx

Oh, wow, got a plea for money from Mr Obama today. Man, is that chutzpah.