Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Ah, the Powell Doctrine--overwhelming force

Nash....
aircraft?....... are you telling me that as a loyal Obama supporter you haven't noticed the price of airline tickets recently......
why..... I looked into a flight to Vegas last week and found out it'll cost me almost $200 more for just myself as compared to what it cost Rick and I to fly together 3 yrs ago..... now where the f*#@* am I going to get my gambling money.....

sheesh..... guess all I'm suppose to worry about is the price of arugula......

Pogo..... I have lots of glitter yarn..... but in order to use..... I'd have to become an infidel......

Craig, what's your gut feeling?
"Is such talk the product of fatigue and disappointment, or is there a strategy at work?"
Can we hillary supporters hang onto hope?

Congrats, flatus.

I'll be astounded if she goes nucular. She'll make her case, (is making her case) based on being able to beat McCain, and will show SDs how she can and Obama can't. They'll declare, and it will be over.

From prior thread re: Bloomberg:

Tell that to the truckers. And Bloomberg didn't win any votes from the driving poor on fixed incomes with that "dumbest" remark, either. It reflects his true Republican economic leanings IMHO, and I opposed the gas tax holiday until the perspective of the driving poor on fixed income angle was explained to me.

btw, the Republican reference is to his love of a regressive tax.

Ok..... snark off....

Craig..... I agree with your TM..... Clinton should back off....
if the nomination is not to be hers...... so be it.....

I really do think leaving gracefully will serve her very well in the future....

Dear Craig:

Question: What did HIllary Clinton say in her comments that referred to Obama's race? Her point was that she is appealing to white working class voters. The media then chooses to continue her sentence like this: "And Barack Obama cannot appeal to that demographic because he is black." That is not what she said, that is what you inferred from her comments.

In reality, the reason he is not capturing white working class voters is not because of his race...it is for many other reasons. Inexperience, elitism, too far left, the bitter comments etc. Injecting his race is the choice of the media and the Obama campaign based on their dogged determination to paint the Clintons as racist.

Kerry did not get the white working class vote and neither did Gore. They were both white. What's your excuse for their failure? Could it be for the same reasons that Obama isn't getting their vote? This is not a race-based issue. The only Democrat in recent history to get white working class voters? Bill Clinton. That may have something to do with her success with these voters. Not her race.

If what I'm reading and hearing from the "Tin Foil" sources is even partly true, Obama is more dangerous than any of you can imagine. There are powerful forces behind Obama, I have no doubt about that. How sinister are they? I don't know.

Yeah, but no one's treated her so gracefully so far. Maybe it would be worth it. An everything or nothing play. Sounds exciting, if nothing else. One thing about hillary, it's never boring.

From previous thread:

Truckers, Cabbies, Delivery Vans, Senior Center transportation. It's not just family vacation heading for the mountains.

What I resented was the portrayal of her "gas tax" proposal as being the whole of what she was recommending.

Certainly we need to get off the oil teat, develop mass transit, high speed rail, alternative energy blah blah blah, but while that is all going on as some sort of "Apollo" program, people have to get to work and perform their jobs. When it is cheaper for someone to go on welfare than it is to try to get to and from work to support a family, then it is hardly "dumb" to make it possible for them to do it.

POGO,

I missed Woodstock, I would have had to ride my paper route bike there. (But I probably would have gotten there faster than all those youths that abandoned their parents cars on the NYS Thruway and on the back roads of the Catskills.)

I was think that a perfect song to sooth the acrimony here is by the Hillside Singers "I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing (In Perfect Harmony)"

Second Choice Tiptoe Through the Tulips by Tiny Tim

Craig, this is the most exciting news I've seen in a while. You've given me a branch to grab onto.!

And the Democrats are in a frenzy again!!

Just after another great election night....

Again, record turn out, incredible energy, and the attention of millions all over this Country and the World.

Both candidates won victories and both gave speeches fitting into their narratives.

Obama will be a "change" and Clinton will be a "fighter" (and a relentless one at that.)

And all anyone spends their time talking about is how Clinton will tear apart the Democratic Party. A Party which she help build and is a senior stateswoman of.

And Obama will lose in a landslide victory to McCain. The talented candidate who has won record support - and has been signing up "new voters" - is going to lose to the GOP in the midst of an unpopular (and disastrous) war and a sinking enconomy (even though the Clintons set the table for Bush).

Get real. It is the Republicans who should be wringing their hands (and I bet there is plenty of that in private ; )

renee, wouldn't want you to become an infidel or anything and have all those muslims trying to kill you.

Yes, the price of airplane tickets is mirroring the price of gas (which is now $3.84.9 and up for regular here now.

The robocalls for our local elections have begun. AAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!

Ah the elitist energy message. No gas? Let them move into the city. sheesh

No bread? Let them eat {oh my god!} cake. double sheesh

Ally, reg. media says Barack Obama cannot appeal to that demographic because he is black." and "Injecting his race is the choice of the media".
Making an honest assessment of what's being said would not fit into the media's agenda. And there has been an agenda since this began. They continue to interpret everything the Clintons say through a racism prism.

You better hope that you have a pile of gold to bury in your back yard in Obama gets elected. Investors will be pulling out of the stock market as fast as they can to cash in their capital gains before that tax gets raised. ItThose wealthy supporters of Obama are probably already moving their money to protect it.

Craig,

Did they finally get to you. Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true. Hillary NEVER said what the news folk on CNN and MSNObama kept saying she said. I never thought I would say this, but FOX actually read the AP release she referred to in her response to the question about the USA Today muddle of a reprint.

I would love to see her go scorched earth. Not about race, but about total ineptitude, lack of ability to perform the job, race baiting, lies, and propaganda. If she loses, she loses, but blow the place up. He's earned it.

Bowman, see, I could have driven - if I had thought my 61 Belvedere would have made the trip and my parents wouldn't have cut off my college funding (read, Good morning Vietnam). No, those are the songs going through his supporters' heads.

Off to soccer game - be good.

By the way, Ted Kennedy is a supporter of Obama but his words should NOT be attributed to Barack himself. Obama has struck a much different tone.

"In an interview with CNN , he said he had not yet wrapped up the Democratic nomination, but when he did he would start the process of selecting a running mate. "She is tireless, she is smart. She is capable. And so obviously she'd be on anybody's shortlist to be a potential vice-presidential candidate," he said."

Kennedy is part of the old school of knock-down-drag-out political fights - that you Clintonites are so fond of. So perhaps when you hear some of what he has to say - you can see what it feels like to be on the other side of those so-called "political attacks."

It ain't pretty - and it sure as hell ain't productive. The only people that should be pushing Hillary out of this race are the voters in the Democratic primaries.

(Get ready for the fiesta in Puerto Rico!!)

You people are amazing!! I don't know which piece of misinformation to respond to first.

And Gordo - you should move to Central America ASAP. Tranquilo tranquilo...

I don't understand the purpose of a "nuclear option" because to do so will even further alienate Barack Obama supporters. Look, I love Hillary... I think she would be a great President. My view of Barack Obama (amazement at his 2004 Democratic Convention Keynote Speech and pride in his election win) has changed. The election process has created a divide that is hard to ignore. If we keep attacking each side, we only play in the hands of John McCain. I do not hate Barack Obama, though I think his wife is a younger version of Leona Helmsley, without the charm.

I think the possible scenario Craig has laid out in this blog would spell "disaster" for Hillary, not only for a potential future Presidential run, but also her place in the history of the Democratic Party. Not winning sucks, especially in politics. I think she should still campaign, but not with an extreme attack campaign, it is like Craig said (even with his little typo). Both Hillary and Barack would be further damaged. The madness has got to stop.

And please try to be friggin' kind to one another.

Not only that but think about the Supreme Court and the historic moment if a African American is elected President... We have two "first timers" so for those constituencies who are on the "losing" side, it hurts, and it will hurt for a while.

That's all I got to say.... Oh and I will be in Amsterdam for 3 days. Back on Monday.. and no not to smoke pot. Cheers!

Willie Brown is a treasure. That appearance on Tweety's show deserves a plug: New book

"Basic Brown"

Poll Results Spread
West Virginia Democratic Primary
ARG* Clinton 66, Obama 23 spread Clinton +43.0

Kentucky Democratic Primary SurveyUSA
Clinton 62, Obama 28 Clinton +34.0

Amazing!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html

Looks like the Obama side has chosen the nuclear option.

Ted Kennedy's Divisive Rhetoric
By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:04:19 PM EST

I am a big fan of Ted Kennedy but he does the Democratic Party a great disservice with this type of talk:

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama isn't likely to pick rival Hillary Clinton as a running mate, according to one of his most prominent supporters. "I don't think it's possible," Massachusetts Senator Edward Kennedy said in an interview on Bloomberg Television's "Political Capital With Al Hunt," airing this weekend.

Kennedy, 76, without naming names, said Obama should pick someone who "is in tune with his appeal for the nobler aspirations of the American people. If we had real leadership -- as we do with Barack Obama -- in the No. 2 spot as well, it'd be enormously helpful," Kennedy said.

What a terrible terrible thing to say. The Obama camp should disavow it. Unless he said it at their behest. In which case, we are gonna lose in November.

By Big Tent Democrat, speaking for me only
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/9/17419/80068

Someone please tell me that I saw this wrong. Flipping channels and Chris Matthews had a cartoon graphic of "Snagglepuss" complete with the name, and saying Exit Stage Left....referring to Hillary. Is that how he depicted her or did I miss something? If it is, then I give up. It is the most reprehensible thing I've seen since that nutcracker.

A female candidate is being publicly stoned. And Matthews sneers and snickers.

Patsi, reg. A female candidate is being publicly stoned.
He does that daily. Insults Hillary, Bill and anyone who supports them.

Ally:

I agree with most of your post. The media always injects race to sensationalize the "political drama". God forbid they spend their time discussing any policy - or perhaps current events (well that's not true - they do spend plenty of time discussing sports, the weather and every tragic story they can find).

"In reality, the reason he is not capturing white working class voters is not because of his race...it is for many other reasons. Inexperience, elitism, too far left, the bitter comments etc."

In reality - HRC has strong support based on the Clinton name and her appeal to women. And even though many of these working class voters have adopted the "talking points" of the Clinton campaign and the GOP - this does not mean that these loyal Democratic voters will not vote for Obama.

(Of course some won't - and some of Obama's supporters won't vote for Clinton. Big deal. Both candidates have broken all records in terms of support.)

Obama has shown he can win over white voters. Especially when he has time to campaign and meet such voters. One of the biggest reasons Obama is where he is - he won Iowa (and it sure as hell wasn't because of the black vote).

(You know what happens in the states where the "black vote" actually does play a major role - Obama wins by 15-30 points.)

ET....
great post.... and I agree with you..... life is precious..... time to get over it.....

let the primaries play themselves out.... and then let her leave gracefully.....
unless she really knows something about Obama that could hurt this country.....

it's weekend time!...... Happy Mother's Day to all you mothers out there.....

Ally:

I actually saw all the misinformation after your post. Yours was pretty insightful (albeit slanted ; )

Patsi you are so right. And that is the kind of sh*t that is just denigrating and defaming. But Chris Matthews is so in love with himself that he finds everything he says and does to be inherently witty, correct and even interesting. I am sure that he stops and gawks at every mirror he sees (probably leaving lip grease on it as he kisses his own reflection. I am sure if he could physically do it, he would even kiss his own ass). I think of Oscar Wilde's "Dorian Gray" story and the image Dorian maintained on the exterior but what an empty soul he was inside.

Chris "Dorian Gray" Matthews will eventually lose it all because such arrogant people usually do. If we are to name MSM "trolls", Chris would lead the list.

Cheers,

ok now I really gotta go to bed. We catch the train at 7 am and it's 11:30 pm. Goodnight and well wishes to all ! Also Happy Mother's Day to all you Moms out there.

Don't forget to send flowers!

Tom -- that graphic has left me honest-to-God shaken. I've not seen anything so downright evil. They are talking about blacks burning down Denver? I think women should storm NBC with torches. It is truly malevolent.

If this is the new mindset of Democrats, well, I think there may be no place for me in the party.

And how are the Republicans going to justify claiming that Obama is "inexperienced" and "could be dangerous" for this Country when they nominated George W. Bush OVER John McCain.

Bush had experience failing in business and baseball, dodging the millitary and winning elections based on his father's name (and money). And W would not have gotten into Ivy League schools if his name wasn't Bush.

Barack Obama got into those schools in spite of his name. Obama is a an intelligent, self-made man who has experience in succeeding by bringing people together. Look as his 2004 speech, The Audacity of Hope and how he has run an incredible campaign that may enable him to defeat the most powerful political machine going.

This is Obama's narrative. It is not a campaign slogan.

Woe is me Patsi... I don't think the sky is falling just yet.

(You could always say f*ck it all and join a cult ; )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtkVGClqrT4

Warren -----------------------------

Please go to this link and read the entire article.

http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/05/new-american-disenfranchisement.html

patsi says If this is the new mindset of Democrats, well, I think there may be no place for me in the party.

Hillary said she always felt the Republican party left her
more than she left the Republican party (civil rights,
war). Maybe the Democratic party is leaving us behind.

Patsi...
I stopped watching cable news a few months ago and I feel so much better for it..... the Chris Matthews of the world don't matter..... unless you let them matter.....

I also decided a month ago that what my friend predicted to me while watching a football game back in early December was prophetic..... at the time we were all making jokes about McCain being toast..... he told me McCain would be our next president...... I now believe him.....

ok..... gotta go now.....
everyone have a wonderful weekend!

I think that campaigns are about people who can run the country, yes? To change the subject for a minute to something a bit more serious and to think about when deciding. Let's go back to Blackwater tearing up a village in Iraq and who will not face prosecution thanks to "Dr." Rice. Does anyone here remember the building of the Halliburton plant on the shores of the Caspian sea - get a map - it's one of the 2 things you can see from outer space, it and the great wall of China, they are related here. To pump the oil from the northern wells in Iraq they need, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Northern Iran, hence the Blackwater mercs, to protect the pipeline. Now they need a reason to go after Iran, didn't they just get one, the Iranian trained and armed Hezbollah who just, very conveniently, supposedly started a war with the puppet Gov't of Lebanon, we can't really blame Syria because they just told Jimmy Carter that they would sign any peace agreement returning the Golan Heights. So let's blame Iran, these guys are killing innocent civilians just like Saddam did? Now we have to go in and change the regime in Iran, so says Dick Cheney. If anyone over here thinks that they will see one drop of that oil, think again, Halliburton(Cheney) will sell it to the Chinese at an exorbitant profit( they are buying up everything they can because they have the money to do so and with world supplies diminishing, and the middle east the tinderbox it is, it's a simple case of supply and demand). What will the unseasoned, unrealistic, inexperienced Barack Obama do about this - how will he stop it? I don't think holding a dialogue with Iran will help. How about the guys behind him, do they have enough clout? Maybe it needs a former, extremely well-regarded, ex - president to handle it. Let's hope someone can.....We already know from her tenure as National Security Advisor, and Secretary of State that "Dr" Rice is as useles as it's humanly possible to be, besides I believe she's a member of the Carlyle group and I'm sure they want this to succeed, and "Texas Two-Step" Karen Hughes, well, I mean, aren't we all good oilmen together.

nogrudge:

The Republican Party is Hillary's biggest fan right now.

She is attacking Obama for more successfully than John McCain ever could.

Warren -- You think that's funny? I used to think you were just young and excited over your candidate. Now I see I was wrong.

If the DNC has a single overarching purpose, it's to insure equity and transparency in the nominating process for a presidential nominee. Everything else flows from that raison d'etre.

It has failed miserably.

If anybody can list some of the things they have done well, please share them.

anon-p

"The Jew is pricked by a pin and remembers other pins. It is only by tracing the pinprick back to other pinpricks . . . that the Jew is able to know why it hurts. When a Jew encounters a pin, he asks: What does it remember like?"

Alex writing to Jonathan in Everything Is Illuminated

flatus asks "If anybody can list some of the things they have done well, please share them."

I think you may have a long wait.
I for one have drawn a blank.

tip of the iceberg

fasten your seat belts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7Yd80tXs_4

Sorry Pats . . . I didn't know you were such a delicate flower.

I just think the Democartic Party is looking pretty strong right now.

Just a little political in-fighting - and if the Party can't dust itself off and focus on getting back the White House after this historic race - than they don't deserve it.

Mr. Crawford;
I am an old doll who remembers too much, and thinks too much(have too much time on my hands.) I wanted to thank you for sitting on the fence and presenting us another side of things, one you don't see on cable. If Hillary has the goods she should shred this guy and his back-up if at all possible, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen". They wouldn't think twice about doing it to her, especially since the "old money" brokers in party are looking to swing the power structure. So much for change in Washington.

Pat Buchannon, an insightful analyst, whether I agree with him or not: "The Hillary Democrats"
http://www.creators.com/opinion/pat-buchanan.html

and Flatus, told you it'd be a long, long wait.

Wendy:

At least the Republicans will be asking questions of Obama.

Most in the GOP have already written off the Clintons - and would see this campaign as the last opportunity to really attack them (and hopefully draw some blood). It would get nasty.

(The Republicans would be ten-times worse than the Obama campaign. The "attacks" from Obama pale in comparison to what Rush and Hannity would be saying if they thought she was likely going to be the nominee.)

And they would also be trashing the idea of universal healthcare and be using it as a wedge issue. Making it all the more difficult to pass - just like they did with the Immigration.

Hope Chopper and Lardass are having fun
"Patsi...I just coined it tonight:
Spindrool: A collection of random unrelated factoids hastily pulled together in an illogical fashion in order to sustain an ongoing wet dream. Spindrool.
Heck. Maybe it'll make the list for this year's National Spelling Bee. The regionals were today, by the way.
Posted by: LardassLiberal | March 27, 2008 8:21 PM
Hi gang. Been out all day, and see that lots of you are finding fun uses for "spindrool." I also love Ty's alternative "spinspit", which has it's own nuances of maning.
A word of warning: Spindrool should not be used as an all-purpose substitute for "spin", though. It is only the type of spin being promulgated by a sincere, true-believer. And yes, Warren, you were the inspiration -- since you are the truest and most impassioned of all believers here. And Jamie -- that's why "wet dream" needs to be part of the definition -- because it implies more of a passionate flight of fantasy than does merely saying "political position"

politicallypissed says. "If Hillary has the goods she should shred this guy"

I like your style!

and like you said, "They wouldn't think twice about doing it to her".

You go girl!

Warren------------------------------

Try to expand your sources of information.

Jay Severin, is predicting Obama to lose minimum of 40 states and hoping for a total blowout of 50. He hates McCain (too liberal) but is estatic that Obama is the presumptive nominee. It is incredulous that the democrats are going to put up the weaker candidate.

I frequently disagree with his political stands, but his analysis of the contests is worth considering. He says Obama loses because he cannot get the traditional blue collar democratic base, the independents or crossover republicans.

First, here is what some conservatives think the nuclear option is

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/05/hillary_clintons_nuclear_optio.html

Strange that many Left wingers and Right wingers who hate Clinton claim she was responsible for the Wright video clips, but Haniity says that is absurd. Fox spent some time digging them up. Then Obama supporters say, "see Haniity is defending Hillary". What nonsense. This is the Obmaniacs version of guilt by association they have been playing ever since Obama called Hillary a Republican Lite. Republicans attack Obama then they must be in bed with Hillary. Yet when Republicans attacked Hillary, Obama said great and claimed such hostility was the reason to vote for him. Now I'm supposed to let Ayers and Wright, Khalidi and others drift into the abyss because THAT is guilt by association?

Rubbish. Obama's biggest fan club and base are the NeoLIberals. Obama staffers can tell AAs in NC that "we gotta get our man into the WH", but Hillary and Bill were called racists long ago. Nogrudge may be right and a number of Republicans have told me this is exactly what they hope the sea change will be. It led to Reagan and it will probably lead to an eventual Black and perhaps Female Republican candidate. After all it was only a several decades ago that Blacks moved from the Republicans to the Democrats.

The thing that amazes me more than anything is that here is a candidate that got his first political backing from the family of a Weatherman bomber who back in 1995 was stomping on the flag. He got his backing from Rezko who worked with Auhi who Obama never claimed he did not know was a good friend to Rezko and Saddam. Obama joined Trinity and made friends with Khalidi. How is this anything like the values I support as a LIBERAL? Don't give me excuses. Why these people and not others? Does anyone here like these people or think that they represent the message Obama is now trying to sell? How did this very LIberal bunch become Obama's circle and why should attacks on these profound adult choices be dismissed as unimportant? Did Obama serve in the military? What makes him an expert in foreign policy to the point he says he doesn't need an expert as VP, he's expert enough? Why did Obama wait so long to attack Wright? Because Wright had called Obama a liar and not because of positions Wright HAS ALWAYS MAINTAINED? What is here in the story that reaffirms the Liberal values I have? Why should I believe anything Obama says? Why are his values defined over time my Liberal values?

When Obama's record is examined there is little Obama ever introduced into law. The bills he touts were often created and advanced before he signed them. He claims he is a fierce supporter of Israel. How so, because he says he is? His advisors point in a completely different direction.

If one considers these things to be valid problems, then the nuclear option is not swift-boating or irrational. If you think what Obama says at the moment is the measue of the man, then the nuclear option is swift-boating, though a bit different because it doesn't make false claims, but rather says certain FACTS SHOULD COUNT IN EVALUATING OBAMA"S CHARACTER.

The only reason Hillary is said to be attacking Obama effectively is that Democrats would counter McCain's claims as inventions simply because McCain is a Republican. More identity politics. Hillary gives them some weight, but she has hardly been ferocious in her attacks. Republicans will. They will go nuclear the day Obama is declared the nominee. The problem will be the commercials coming will be factual and contain Obama's own words. Unlike the attack on Kerry which was not factual, Obama will have little to refute them other than they are distractions. Quickly Obama supporters will call those who oppose Obama racists. The DNC will offer ads of our troops getting blown up and try to paint McCain as simply Bush. Some in the Press will finally explore Michelle's thesis, the various groups associated with Trinity as Obama continues to go there. Will he have Moss swear Obama in? Will Sharpton and Sheehan be WH visitors. Obama has already offer sound bites about the capital gains tax. His economic policies ladden with social funding will not be strong against McCain. I can imagine the commericals of Obama stuttering. GAWD.

Of course, what Obama has assembled in not what I pictured Liberalism to be. I do not support the mentors, friends, advisors to Obama. Why should I support him? There is another Liberalism I picture, but perhaps a value set that will need to wait for a new Party to emerge, or for Republicans and Democrats to change. Until then, those who are New Democrats, who support more centrist, pluralistic thinking free from the absurd ideological chaos and extremism of the Left and Right, should vote for the candidate closer to the center.

I suspect that like Iran, this election cycle will go nuclear eventually. A fair vetting of facts by an impartial third party like the media would have prevented this. But unfortunately, such an impartial third party does not exist. Take cover.

I sure haven't sanctioned sexism.

I make racist jokes and sexist jokes because I feel I am a lot more progressive on these issues than most.

I would rather make jokes than speak in code words and demographics.

People need to talk about racism and sexism rationally - too much passion makes these issues radioactive. The "touchy" nature of these taboo subjects often cause people to tuck these thoughts away in the closet and only bring them up when they are angry or scared.

I would rather joke. I think the Chappelle Show did a great job commenting on race in today's society through humor.

McCain 08!

Obama/Steinbrenner '08!

I am off to watch Lost on the DVR.

Had to miss it last night preparing for an argument against a "say-anything do-anything" type of lawyer. We won.

(fyi - I was not the one arguing - that job was the female partner's. See Patsi - I can work well with the ladies even though I can be a jackass ; )

Dave Chapelle felt very guilty for how he portrayed race on his show. He said that to Oprah on her show.

Chappelle is far more honest than Obama has ever been. I would vote for him before voting for Obama.

Oprah can make people admit to anything.

That show was hysterical - and a lot truer to life than a lot of other crap on TV.

smoking with white peeps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRpYoTX6ACs&feature=related

Chappelle is far more honest than Obama has ever been. I would vote for him before voting for Obama.

Posted by: Maxtrue | May 9, 2008

Might as well admit that you'd never vote for Senator Clinton either.......

Your a McCain guy.

Well Warren, if your dreams come true then I can't wait for Lil Obambi and his children cast of characters. I can only hope they will be as vicious and disturbing as the ones on Lil Bush. Maybe the first episode will be Wright, after swearing in God Damn Obama, tries to paint the White House black, but is stoppped Lil Gore who lectures him that black would increase global warming while white will reflect sunlight.

Is that funny enough for you? Or will those late night crack marathons in the Lincoln Bedroom be funnier? And will the Liberals try to get such stuff banned unlike their laughter at Lil BUsh?

Hhhmmmm

I don't know Sheila. I bet Chappelle could win over some Independents.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywQ-DEqBKHA&feature=related

" he won Iowa (and it sure as hell wasn't because of the black vote). "

He won Iowa because his management trained the caucus organizers to intimidate everybody into obedience, and they proceeded to do it in every caucus afterwards.

Sen. Clinton's management weren't prepared for the strong arm tactics and manipulation and really messed up. The early caucuses put her behind the eight ball at the start and really hurt the delegate count.. Add that to the primaries where ethnic votes counted for more delegates than non ethnic votes and not counting FL or MI as well, made it very difficult to catch up on the delegate count.

I like the idea of late night crack marathons in the Lincoln Bedroom.

(But that sounds more like Kennedy than Obama ; )

This one is good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuTjQLfU6Gk&feature=related

Now I am really of to get Lost.

"Jay Severin, is predicting Obama to lose minimum of 40 states and hoping for a total blowout of 50."

I'm really tired of the "racist" attack from Obama and his supporters. The statement of historical facts (MLK & LBJ), demographic voting patterns, remarks twisted and taken out of context, etc. are all used as weapons. I hope Severin gets his wish - Obama can have DC.

Hah!

The Clintons "weren't prepared for the strong arm tactics and manipulation." Nice one Jamie!

What - did they think those tactics were theirs exclusively?

I voted twice for Bill, so why wouldn't I vote for Hillary. I can't tell you how many hours I will still spend calling for voters for her. Try another one Shelia and please refrain from implying I am a liar even if my words are disturbing for you to hear. I have always been quite honest here and it is sad that you have to suggest I am lying in your attempt to counter my words. You know it starts small Shelia. First you'll lie and say I would never really vote for Hillary and next you'll be calling me a racist. Right? I think you owe me an apology.

Instead of trash talking, simply refute the logic of my post. I guess you like those people Obama hung out with. They must be your kind of people, your kind of values. To me, they are not. I wouldn't let Ayers piss on my yard. I suppose you think Moss is a fine Rev too. I suppose you think Khalidi has moderate views on Israel. But who you hang out with doesn't matter. I get it.

Or do you just want me to believe Shelia? Is that my sin now, that I refuse to let Obama into my soul and experiance the greater truth? Now why would a rational person do that.? Is Obama some kind of godly person that requires faith? Why can't his record, friends, mentors, advisors be the measure of the suit? Is such blind faith now a new equirement in the NeoLiberal handbook of values? You gotta send me a copy Shelia so I can read about what I am now supposed to believe in. I though lying and bad company was a no no. I thought having it both ways was immature. I thought playing race was in bad taste,

Wrong about me Shelia, but you're a Obamniac clear as day. I can sense the twinkle in your eyes.

I hope Severin gets his wish - Obama can have DC.

Posted by: GORDO

GORDO,

I thought you thought he was AC-DC already.

"And Jamie -- that's why "wet dream" needs to be part of the definition -- because it implies more of a passionate flight of fantasy than does merely saying "political position"

Another run of the mill insult for anyone who thinks Sen. Obama has no business being President. According to his base no one has a right to another opinion.

We all did a pretty good job of guessing who we thought would be best for VP on the Dem Side. ;0)

Obama Vice President Picks: Who Are The Frontrunners?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/09/obama-vice-president-pick_n_100869.html

9/11 survivor (sort of)---------------------

"I thought you thought he was AC-DC already."

That could be "The Scandal". Larry Sinclair has provided the Chicago Police with all the phone numbers. Those of you (if any) who have been following this story know what I mean.

"And Jamie -- that's why "wet dream" needs to be part of the definition -- because it implies more of a passionate flight of fantasy than does merely saying "political position"

I'm not convinced she wasn't purposefully sabotaged, but if not then it was a case of actually expecting the O'bama team to have some sense of ethics.

She couldn't do anything about the overloading of the weight of various districts.

TERRY MCAULIFFE: Well first of all, as you know Mark, both of them, both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are themselves going to have to decide who they think is going to be their best Vice President. For the rest of us it's speculation and presumption and all that.
I'm just -- I'll put on my former chairman of the Democratic Party hat -- I think it's a great idea at the end of this process for us all to be together...

I do get excited about the possibility of having Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton crisscrossing this country in the fall of 2008. I think that would be pretty exciting. But I have absolutely no say in it. Hillary Clinton and I have never talked about it. But as former chairman of the party it does get you somewhat excited

Max--ref your:
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/05/going-nuclear-means-all-or-not.html#comment-79839

Why do you call them neo libs? We should really be more creative.

How about Neuvo Elites? or Pre Adults? or Post Partums? How about Post Racial Sexists? Or Need No Loyalists? Or...

Ah, you're so perceptive.

GORDO, you sure make ME nervous buddy!

We need Heather . Are you there?

Re the Iowa caucuses. Did any of you watch the coverage on C-Span? If you did, you will know that the Richardson supporters folded and bolted to Obama before the first round of supporters was even counted. At one caucus, Richardson needed only four delegates to become viable...while two female supporters took on the job of finding supporters, when they returned to their corner of the room, 90% of their fellow supporters had fled, before the first count was done.
Was it a put-up job? There have been reports that it was.

Bowmanc,

You just gave Maureen Dowd her orgasm since Aaron Sorkin dumped her.

Anyone here from New York...could you please explain to me why Vito Fosselli can't run for his seat again? After all, Rep Burton has an illegitimate child and he's from Indiana...a place that's far more conservative than Staten Island. Did he abandon the kid or something?

9/11 if it helps her out, it's OK with me. Although it seems much like Donald and Lydia in an old John Prine song.

Why does HRC have to go nuclear? If she can just hang on and not release her delegates, Rezko may spill the beans as part of a plea bargain. If there are any beans to spill, that is.

maggisd,

My friends in his district hate his hypocrisy: the ones who didn't like him at all saw it long before he exposed it to the world, the ones who bought what he was selling see him as a con artist and want him exiled from public service.

Also... he came near enough to losing his seat the last go round and there are strongish opponents ready for him on both the GOP and Dem sides of the column.

Finally... SI is a bunch of small neighborhoods... and many people know his wife (who represented him at more functions in the borough than he did himself) and like her.

Thanks for the info. All I know about the district is that it used to belong to Susan whatshername (I forgot her last name) and her father before that. She is pretty moderate, but I always thought Vito was a lot more conservative. I was just curious.

bowmanc,

Oh boy... John Prine.

His name coming up next to Sorkin's would make poor old Aaron run down to Florida to glom down his psilocybin shrooms direct from those cow turds as fast as he could find 'em.

There was an article at Real Clear Politics today, examining Sen Obama's NC victory speech. He said in that speech that we should not be afraid to talk with our enemies like Roosevelt, Truman, and Kennedy did.
He seems to think that Roosevelt and Truman held talks with Hitler and Hirohito or something. And, much as I admired and loved the man, when JFK met with Krushchev in Vienna -- without an agreed upon agenda -- Krushchev decided that JFK was so naive that he would not do anything if the USSR sent missiles to Cuba.

maggisd, reg. the Iowa caucuses and Richardson delegates. I read the same thing the other day. That many in the party's far left were in on this plan to defeat Clinton. It was well planned and Richardson was part of it.

9/11 you are making me laugh tonight. I am going back and forth between this nonsense and the Big Lebowski which is just a scream, especially when you are watching it with a couple of 14yo boys.

"Why does HRC have to go nuclear? If she can just hang on and not release her delegates, Rezko may spill the beans as part of a plea bargain..."

Maggi, because that's what women have been doing since the beginning of time. It's time to stop this BS.

I've told my granddaughter that she would make a great president. And I believe it.

But, it's up to me and the rest of like minded individuals, to help the single woman in our country who is willing to accept the pain of fighting through the phalanx of bigots, to pave the way for her.

nogrudge: Yep -- and I saw it happening. In 2004 delegates switched as well, but only after the initial count and with a lot of negotiating (although I believe Kucinich had publicly advised his delegates to caucus for Edwards where they weren't viable.
I guess that's what happens when you run against a "community organizer" from the south side of Chicago.

bowmanc --

Nothing better to watch together with teenagers -- absolutely nothing.

Particularly as we visit a place filled with so many Walters, Maudes, Jesus Quintanas, Nihilists...

A couple of nice Donnies...

And a Dude who abideth named Craig.

Bring back the two thirds rule! Bring back the solid South Dixiecrats! Bring back the White People's Party campaign of 1868! Clinton still has a chance...right?

bowmanc,

Chemo brain!

How could I forget who was just as essential our Dude --

Our Stranger -- Colorado Bob.

Man, why did Jesus Quintana scream him out of this bowling alley?

Flatus: In principle I agree with you, but I do not want to see her ruin her entire public service record in this fight. I know she is fighting for us, and I know that she knows this is her one and only chance and that it may be decades before another woman comes along who is so uniquely positioned not only to become President but to be an effective President. I don't think I'd mind so much if I didn't suspect that Sen Obama is an illusion. I just don't think we can ask too much of her...

The funny thing about Hillary, is that if she uses the "nuclear" method, and it works, she will have prevailed.

If it fails, everyone will just say, "she's a Clinton, they fight to win , what else would you expect ? "

I think the MSM unintentionally has opened the door for her to do whatever she wants. She's been painted as a "fighter" and "ruthless politician" and many people like that....so she has nothing to lose.

Bowman......check out on you tube, The Short F'ing Version of the Big Lebowski for another hoot......

flattus says: "But, it's up to me and the rest of like minded individuals, to help the single woman in our country who is willing to accept the pain of fighting through the phalanx of bigots, to pave the way for her.'

Hillary is lucky to have you on her side (as is your granddaughter)!

Nothing new under the sun ... political fighting division

http://mediainformatics.biz/kidsbook/duel.html

9/11

You are right. Some of those scenes are just too much, especially when combined with the early teen sensibilities.

Am I right Dude?

You mark that frame an 8, and you're entering a world of pain.

Gevan: It might be nice, however, to bring back the pre-1988 system of apportioning delegates rather than the current method where South Central votes are more heavily weighted than the votes in the barrio. Setting aside the caucus system, shouldn't the primaries at least be one person one vote?

jamie,

I'm confused.

Which one stands for change? Which one is the old politics?

Is the clock a plate-ist?

Is the plate associated with revolutionary food groups?

Aren't those the only REAL divisions bright people discuss?

This discussion about the nuclear option made me think of my late best friend from grammar school days. Everytime she had to deal with the insurance company or an auto mechanic or the electrician or the plumber she would say "Why do they make me act like a bitch?" I love that phrase...it is so apt. It's what's happening to Hillary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5vrZcjtiGI

maggisd & flatus,

I think "nuclear option" is a mystic anagram for "menopausal".

burrito says She's been painted as a "fighter" and "ruthless politician" and many people like that....so she has nothing to lose."

I like the way you thnk

If HRC is going nuclear, it may be because Ted Kennedy started the war to stomp the Clintons into the ground. And once again in the democratic party, everything old is now new. So, much for change when it appears the Kennedy Klan is now running the party. I guess the only way for total Kennedy rule is to kill off the Clintons...there is no other way.

I grew-up in awe of the Kennedys, but in reality they are no different than any other political family. There is plenty of dirty laundry to go around to cover generations. But, today it is almost sacrilege to discuss. Yep, this appears to be a power war between the Kennedys and the Clintons.

"Aren't those the only REAL divisions bright people discuss?"

You get what you get. It was either "The Duel" or a suggestion that Mrs. McCain and Mrs. Obama slug it out. Either one of them could give Lady MacBeth lessons.

burrito says She's been painted as a "fighter" and "ruthless politician" and many people like that....so she has nothing to lose."

I like the way you thnk

Has anyone seen the polls lately? Hillary still the stronger candidate against McCain. And, actually she's doing Obama a favor by staying in at least through May 20...how would it look if he lost WV and KY by 20 points if she had already folded her tent?

"I just don't think we can ask too much of her..."

Maggi, she's in combat. How can we not ask it of her? If she chickens out people will say she didn't have what it takes. And the next time a woman steps up, they'll say, "If Hillary couldn't do it, how can we expect her to be able to do it?"

Think about it. Who's the first hero that Mrs Clinton mentions? Eleanor Roosevelt. She's trying to fulfill Mrs Roosevelt's legacy.

Don't sell her short!

Blond Wino

Teddy has always been the spoiled baby boy of the family. Age has not added grace to the temper tantrums. He may be sober now, but a mean drunk is still a mean drunk even without the alcohol.

Jamie...thank you for "The Duel." and Basic Brown is a great recommendation. Thinking vs. political people -- there is a huge difference.

Blonde: I can't tell you how disappointed I am in Teddy Kennedy. His brother was my political hero...and I have to tell you I think both his brothers would be appalled at Teddy's politics.
Don't forget that the Robert Kennedy family backed Hillary.
I think Teddy's problem with the Clintons might stem from 1) welfare reform; 2) the health insurance thing which Teddy thought was his bailiwick, 3) what Hillary said about LBJ bringing to fruition the Civil Rights legislation that MLK and JFK had dreamed about. All the Kennedys despised LBJ.
And finally, I guess if Teddy couldn't become king, he wants to be the kingmaker.

maggi, she's up a whopping 43 points in West Virginia(according to real clear politics).
And in the general she's up 9pts above McCain.

AP: In her latest construct for winning the Democratic nomination, Hillary Clinton now says that she's a strict constructionist of the Constitution. As a result, she's going back to the early days of the Republics and thinks that all black people should be counted as 3/5 of a person, allowing her to take over the popular vote in her battle with Illinois Senator Barack Obama.

"I don't understand why hard working white Americans," she said on a campaign stop in West Virginia, "should have to count the same as these blacks. I mean, they'll always be there for the Democratic Party, so they don't really count. By making them 3/5 of a person again, we're actually making sure that everyone counts in accordance to their importance."

Back in New York, former Vice Presidential candidate and Clinton supporter Geraldine Ferraro agreed.

"It's such a fabulous idea, I don't know why I didn't think about it," Ferraro said. "Now don't get me wrong, I love Negroes and always have. I've employed Negroes at my estate in Long Island when others were going with Mexicans. So my liberal credentials are impeccable. But if Puerto Ricans, and they're not even real Americans, can vote in our primaries but not our presidential elections, why not marginalize the Negroes? I'm sending Hillary another dollar."

Bill Clinton was unavailable for comment as he was last seen in a hot tub in Las Vegas. Sources who agreed to talk on the basis of anonymity, said that the former president was okay with the plan, stating that he already had given the African American community "half assed support" during his own administration, so counting blacks as 3/5 of a people would be a step up. The source continued to say that Clinton is now stomping for votes in Las Vegas' finest strip clubs.

nogrudge: I know; I think the Dems just can't bring themselves to nominate a centrist anymore. It's as if that part of the party is worth nothing to them.

Jamie: I know what Hillary can do if she doesn't get the nomination - she can bargain for Health and Human Services and force Teddy to have to work with her to get anything accomplished. hehehehe

maggi, out of all the reasons you listed I think it's the last one:

"And finally, I guess if Teddy couldn't become king, he wants to be the kingmaker."

They used to be friends, their families vacationing together, etc.

Daily Gallup.

As hard as she has been stomped on in the last week, Sen. Obama can still barely get a two point lead

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107176/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Yet-Pulling-Away.aspx

Oh, wow, got a plea for money from Mr Obama today. Man, is that chutzpah.

nogrudge: All I know is that there are a lot of people in the party who seem to think it's OK to slime Hillary but who themselves can't tell the difference between a perfectly rational observation and an insult. I feel as if I'm back in high school negotiating my way between the cliques.

Scott Rasmussen said on Hannity tonight that they won't be doing the Daily poll between Clinton and obama anymore, because he says Obama has the nomination.

He aso said if Clinton wants the Vice President ticket, it's hers,
since she carries an important part of the nomination.

Not sure how he knows that, but he said it as though it would be a sure thing, and that it's up to her.

Flatus...I also received a letter from BHO today asking for money...a pricey direct mail piece using my first name in the body of the attached endorsement letter. First time I have received such a request from his campaign. At first, I thought he must have gotten ahold of HRC's campaign donor's list! : )

Hey Flatus,

Giving money to Billary for her dying campaign? Now that chutzpah! BTW, make sure to send Barack some money. We'll need it against John McAngry.

jamie,

Interesting article in the NYT comparing two first rate Macbeths -- the Patrick Stewart version and Verdi's at the Met.

Why do I bring it up?

Well... this caught all the nerves in my eyes:

'She reads aloud a letter from Macbeth relating the prophecies of the witches, and worries that Macbeth’s nature may be “too full o’ th’ milk of human kindness/To catch the nearest way” to fulfilling fate. But she resolves to do something about it: “Hie thee hither/That I may pour my spirits in thine ear,” she says, already plotting the demise of the Scottish king.'

Hellooooooooooooo, recurrent archetypes --

The vulnerable and naive male and the toxic, ruthless female...

Which one is more evil? Which one is more dangerous/successful?

More importantly...

Which one is the Dutch clock? And which one is the plate?

I don't see him offering and I don't see her accepting. And, I don't see that he has the nomination yet. If FL and MI are seated that does change the math. And it's not August yet. Anything can happen.
At the least Hillary should come to the floor with her delegates and get a floor demonstration -- just as in the old days.

Blonde, how else could he get your contact info?
Or maybe from Howard Dean and the DNC.
Weird.

Bye bye Billary: Wrong use of the word chutzpah.

Unelectable (a tribute to Barack Obama)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UAFbMLZm4g

I am going to check my mail....

Yep! I also received a mailer from Obama today also...it certainly looks like he got her donor's list. I have never received anything from his campaign prior - only one rude phone call before th Ohio primary.

I am a registered Independent.

nogrudge: I got solicitation from his campaign as well. It could have come from Sen Kerry...who gave his list to Obama.
BTW, I wonder if Sen Obama is still paying super delegates...oh, I mean contributing to their campaigns.

maggi, also I heard from some guy on lou dobbs that supports hillary and is on the dnc that they will also be looking at who wins the popular vote. With Michigan and Florida she could carry that off supposedly.

I am just going to write on the donation slip " Vote Hillary" in marker and return it. The postage is re- paid.

maggisd...what amazes me if the hypocrisy of it all...everyone is so moral about Bill Clinton when the Kennedy's have done so many more immoral acts including murderous deeds. I am sure it is quite easy for Ted Kennedy to be the one to do the Clintons in...hard for most to believe, but is it really if you look at the facts and past events?

The repugs will not be afraid to take on the Kennedy thing in November.

*waves at 9/11*
Hi, 9/11...long time, no see...how are you feeling?

And Jamie...are we ready for Mick tonight???

nogrudge: I really do think the numbers are against her but I don't see why she should concede or release her delegates. Make them let her name be put in nomination and address her supporters...that's what Teddy did in 1980 and what's sauce for the goose...as they say.

If this goes all the way to a brokered convention, I would love a dark horse nominee such as Edwards or Biden. If Obama does get the nod, I don't think Clinton should take Veep if offered. This country is nuts, and I would be terrified that If anything happened to the President, she would be next in line.

She would be much better off replacing Reid or sitting on the Supreme Court.

Today's Numbers: Hillary 48% to McCain 43%. Obama 47% to McCain 44%.

West VA: Hillary 56, Obama 27.

Gallup Daily: "Obama not pulling away yet". Dates polled, May 6 to May 8, 2/3 of whom were polled after Tuesday's election results were known. Obama 48, Hillary 46.

Obama cannot seem to close the deal. It looks like the super delegates will decide. Funny now that's a good thing.

Gallup says "Obama remains in a statistical dead heat with Clinton for the 16th consecutive day."

Blonde: I am certain that the Repubs have many things up their sleeve. There's a lot "out there" ... things the Clintons might have used if they were as bad as people claim. The Republicans are really really good at opposition research.

Dark horse candidate. God, you guys are desperate.

HW. I may have heard wrong, but I thought it was mentioned that tonight was a double episode and final for the season.

If it is one hour or two, it's never enough of Mick. : )

What's that Jimmy Buffett line: Love her long or love her a lot.

Jamie: If Reid steps down as majority leader, expect to see Obama's biggest supporter, Dick Durbin of Illinois fill that slot.
I think Hillary would be good on the Supreme Court... she might not be a huge legal scholar, but she is careful and thorough and she would make it her mission to hire minority clerks. She would be a fitting replacement for Justice Ginsberg.

For all you Clintonites, here's a freebie:

1. Denial: "It can't be happening."
2. Anger: "Why me? It's not fair."
3. Bargaining: "Just let me live to see my children graduate."
4. Depression: "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"
5. Acceptance: "It's going to be OK."

The only way I will vote Obama is if Hillary is in the VP spot.

I understand what you are saying Jamie. It is just the sad state of our country, that we have to actually consider the risks vs the rewards, somewhat based on the "Nuts" in our country.

BBB: Our fear is that it's not going to be OK, although we hope for the sake of our beloved country that it will be.

harborwoman,

I'm... okay. On my fifth second opinion consultation -- and finally did something TODAY to do to put a stop to having to have more scans, more bloodwork and more doctors exploring my files.

I tore a ligament while mopping!

How are you??? How's your son? I feel so good for all that stuff because I have been spending time with my ex-gf/bff's 17 year old autistic son. He wants to spend a weekend with us in the city before he starts vocational school in the fall.

Ah... such a wonderful son and a truly wonderful mother. (Like you and yours.)

If HRC doesn't get the presidential nod, her choice as VP is so obvious -- who else can carry all of the large states that BHO cannot? But, it is clear to me that many just want to run her out of Denver.

When I was a child, I remember walking into my friends homes and almost everyone had that china plate on the wall with the profiles of MLK, JFK and RFK...the martyrs of democratic politics. This year they want to kill HRC, but she will not be a martyr -- just another dead woman. A woman's life just isn't worth as much in a man's world!

Jamie...That sent me scurrying for my tv guide. It says there's only one episode tonight at 9. They better not try to sneak any Mickness by us!

It may be next week as a finale. Tonight is a bit of a time trip.

jamie,

The Singing Stage has a DVD rip of the recent enough Bway revival of Putting It Together with Michael Barrowman (and Carol Burnett and George Hearn and Bronson Pinchot) to download.

jamie,

And here is a download of Michael Barrowman's Reflections from Broadway...

http://rapidshare.com/files/113771013/John_Barrowman_-_Reflections_from_Broadway.rar

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Blonde reg. "this year they want to kill HRC,"

and they would like to kill WJC too. But that's just the politicians. The working class still love them and want
them back.

You'd think the pols could show a little respect.

Hi Ruth...how ya doing?

(I've got my bingo card ready) : )

God, 9/11...your fifth second opinion? I don't know how you do it...all that poking and probing. But I'm somewhat doctor-phobic. Hope you get lots better very soon!

My son and I are both fine. He's had his first good job for more than a month now, and is doing well...hooray! The only problem is that he will likely always be underestimated, and I fear he's getting a bit bored. Will find other avenues for his mental stimulation....

Bye Bye Billary,

Sadly Dr. Kubler-Ross did not follow her own prescription: she faced death angrily, protesting up to the end.

However, Dr. Ernest Becker not only won the Pulitzer for his The Denial of Death... he wrote the study when he was sick with terminal cancer.

He explores how people seek to create something which will last beyond their lives... and, no, it isn't something which isn't nihilistic.

It is a profound book and far less facile than Kubler-Ross' Five Step Plan.

And guess who quoted from it and not from the sadly disingenuous Kubler-Ross in his memoir when writing about his near fatal illness?

Bill Clinton -- that's who.

Blonde wino...

That Ruth is a sneaky rascal! I almost had a four-corners Bingo last week when she just up and quit calling out the numbers!

Keep those numbers coming, Ruth!

Blonde -

It's up to us to make sure that it does not remain a "man" world. We are way ahead of most of the world but we have a long long way to go.

I really admire Hillary, and what she has accomplished. I look at her and I see progress. My 18 year old daughter looks at her and thinks it is normal, or should I say not un-expected , that a bright woman could run for president.

That, in of itself, is worth all Of the efforts put forth by HRC's campaign and supporters.

: )

harborwoman,

Oh, I understand. I found Sam some music which surprised him -- all J.S. Bach fugues.

Something amazing, too -- turns out my favorite composer/collaborator worked all year with Sam on roles in every school play of his senior year.

So we will be getting together Sam either in his home town or here in NYC to go explore some music clubs.

A good job -- even without the best sorts of stimulation -- remains a real achievment in anyone's life.

harborwoman,

I don't like doctors either.

But this thing is in a funny, volatile place. And I have a daughter, brother and parents who love me. So... I don't want to create avoidable extra hurt for them.

And there are quite a few biological treatments for things near enough to this which may suppress its growth and its symptoms (heavy sweats, massive inflammation and fatigue, etc.)

Which doesn't make lugging two Manhattan Yellow Pages-sized sets of files around any more rewarding.

9/11...

What a coincidence! My son is also named Sam.

Have fun with your Sam!

9/11 Thank you for your eloquent post regarding the grief spiral...I thought BBB was being very trite.

burrito...women run the world, but men take most of the credit! : )

d

harbor and blonde
Glad you enjoy my numbers.Can't be on here long enough to get you a bingo
sorry
Ruth

harborwoman,

Sams they ams!!!!!

Please note: the best Shelia could come up with to my earlier post was that I would never have voted for Hillary. Still no apology. I guess Obama lsupporters like to spread lies about people when they don't like their observations. Shelia, I thought you were better than that. I'm like Flatus, Hillary and then McCain for rational reasons, not ideological ones.

You NEVER answered the questions as to whether you would EVER have been comfortable with friends like Ayers, Khalidi, Wright or even Moss? Would you ever have accepted money from Rezko, even after he was indicted? You support the advisors Obama has assembled? You think none of this matters? You stand by Obama calling his own mother a conservative to pander to conservative whites (she never dated a white man and loved anarchy alley) and are happy he threw his grand mother -who cared for him after his father and mother ran off, under the bus? This is noble behavior?

Oh yes, I must be a Republican for saying this.

Flatus, I call them NeoLioberals to be less divisive than their ideology is. I have many other names for them, but it is a varied group bound by some strained criteria.

Nogrudge, my empathy.

Gordo, God how we are SOOOO scary. We just want to nukle the world...LOL We both can see what coming.

When Anon can see the difference between Hitler and Bush, I will know there is some chance for mental recovery, but I rather doubt it.

Jamie, I tried (which was why my posts were often long). I think you underestimate the depth and distortion the "NeoLIberals" bring into the Democratic House. Huffington is just one example of the new creed. Can you honestly pull that lever for Obama without betraying your conscience? Despite JFK's father's history, the Kennedys lost sons in WW2. I see no sacrifice in Obama. His helping those kids was mostly part of his projected political scam. I spent many weekends at Horace Mann tutoring kids from Harlem. I have NEVER boasted to anyone about that to validate my virtue. And how many inner city folks benefited by Rezko's wonderful housing which Obama endorsed and never subsequently protested?

Buritto, I know why I am a registered Independent. The Democrats had to earn my vote. They haven't so far. I stopped giving money to the DNC when Hillary started her run. In the future I will only give to individual candidates who earn my support. If Hillary folds, give your dollars to McCain. He will have to counter the ads that will even question if he was tortured. Soros can fund Obama and bring down New Democrats like he claimed he brought down the Soviets.

Wino,

You know...

You just don't mess with stuff like that.

9/11...

A story about my Sam and music. When he was small (about 4, as I recall), he throughly enjoyed classical music, and he had an amazing memory for the music behind movies. Still does. His particular favorites back then were of things about science and nature, and one of his favorites was a video about the desert...all sorts of flora and fauna and various information. One day we were riding in the car, listening to classical music on the radio, and Sam was listening...eyes closed, with a small smile on his face...and he said..."Oh look, mom, the painted desert!" While listening to the music from that video, he could see it clearly in his mind's eye. He really is the most amazing young man! And I'm sure your Sam is, too!

It's so hard to know what to say to you about your illness. Just know that there are many of us who think of you and hold good, healing thoughts in our minds for you.

Tis a shame, Ruth. I wanted to win at something!

I meant to ask you...you mentioned freezing your aspargus in a post a week or so ago...do you parboil first? Just curious.

one good thing came out of the mainstream media bias.Since I quit watching MSNBC and CNN And even Imus I am getting use of all the movie channels I am paying for Since my knee surgery 2 yrs ago I wake up at 5 a.m. and I used to love the fact I could watch Imus then he got kicked off but I kept watching MSNBC.I loved the political shows.But when they became infomercials for Obama it turned me off.Now I can catch up on all the movies I have missed.My addiction has been cured.
Ruth

Read Denial of Death many years ago and found it totally depressing. Almost as depressing as Sickness unto Death. I will protest to the end. And then be heard no more.....

harborwoman,

The thing I learned from years together with my friend's son was that HIS form of processing could exceed MY forms of it... in experiencing things, in expressing feelings and thoughts and in finding all sorts of meaning.

When my brain goes on its neurotoxic binges, I call Sam... and we talk about things... so I can sort of follow his train of thought like a kid who grabs onto a truck heading somewhere good while riding his rickety old bike. And I have better ways to use my addled mind as I learn from h im.

So so so so much endless value, mystery and love in such Sams.

Max,

Ah... Kierkegaard was the toy surprise inside the Becker!!!

Funny you should know yourself that way --

You remind me lots of the Squire in Bergman's The Seventh Seal.

Blonde
I just wash asparagus and put in freezer bag.It will get mushy if you par boil
Ruth

9/11...Yes, you get it! Your Sam is lucky kid to have you to 'play' with. Our Sams are wonderfully made.

Ruth...Darn! Was so looking forward to a Bingo!

And now, I must go cook dinner.

Later....

Ruth...the media was lazy with GWB and are once again lazy about BHO. It is about ratings and I find the ever increasing commercials more annoying than ever. (However, that dude that offers the "freezing of credit" running around with his ssn on the truck billboard is making a killing. Talk about fabricating a product and marketing!)

You are better off with the movies.

I do rhubarb the same way
I blanch Peas,corn,green beans,tomatoes,broccoli
I quarter cabbage and freeze.
Ruth

9/11

Thanks for the Barrowman. I'm in withdrawal with the season finale of Torchwood. : )

I hope Obama enjoys while he can.

Ruth,

I usually like what TCM programs around five AM.

And being up at 6 lets me look up from work to watch those original episodes of Star Trek of TV Land with lots of admiration and 2 cups of coffee.

And at seven... I put the iPod on its speaker and let the bon temps roll.

I was just thinking,Obama is accusing Clinton of racism.If that was true why in the world would he have put his office in Harlem when he was offered a much more exclusive site.
Ruth

"Which doesn't make lugging two Manhattan Yellow Pages-sized sets of files around any more rewarding.
"

You could just refer to it as your weight lifting program. Six pack abs and all that.

jamie,

Me, too.

I have this hobby now... I imagine what other projects Russell T. Davies will take on.

After the original Queer As Folk (no comparison with the US version), Casanova, Doctor Who and Torchwood...

What can't he explore???

9/11
I keep the volume low because my husband is sleeping.And I like to keep him that way then I can watch what I like.He likes Andy Griffith,the honeymooners or old westerns.I like drama or romance.I have HBO,SHO,STARZ, and every movie channel on the dish.Watched Ghost yesterday even tho I had seen it.Watched Coal Miners Daughter.,few days ago.
Ruth

I got another request for money from DNC.I turned the e-mail over to my spam control.Will not send money to help Obama.Would rather send to McCain.But I won't do that
Ruth

time for bed,will check in tomorrow to see if there is any good news for Hillary
Ruth

There will be a season 3 of Torchwood, but the rumor is that it may get dumbed down some to be acceptable for youngsters because of moving to an earlier hour. I hope that rumor is false since the Sarah Jane Adventures is for the kiddies and Dr. Who is pretty general. They need to leave one show in the group for the adults.

9/11 keep writing. You have a gift for it. I would say what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger, but that would be missing something crucial about love. Love never dies unles we let it go and will only depart from us when we are no more.

So even what kills us can sometimes make us love even more strongly. I don't know if I said that quite clearly or if it makes any sense.

Some one said somthing like this to me once...

Close your eyes lying down in bed and Imagine yourself as a happy child.

A geat white light appears before you in a field at twilight. You chase after it running through the field amazed by its undulating shape. You are almost pulled along by its magic and find suddenly yourself traveling i your own body. Your eyes are closed but you can feel your self and this light in yout toes moving through every fiber of flesh radiating up from the soles of your feet.. Y

ou glide as though pulled along by the tendrals of light issuing from the benevolent orb you have merged with. There is a new found strength and purpose, but the moment sweeps you along slowly as your rise through your legs. You can feel your self traveling, warming your flesh as you pass upwards. You sense the bone and nerves and each ligiment as you pass. You move towards your waist approaching your belly of nerves. You can see all the parts inside around you, each connection and tissue warmed by the beacon of light. you ride with. It grows in strength as you travel towards your heart and beyond, each area resonating with the radiance within.

Slowly the area that is of concern is before you. The white light intensified its brillance as you relax, breathing slowly. You see ytor face and you see the white light as it rises in your neck. The wonder of the child has merged into the light which in turn vaporizes all the darkness and obstructions, removing all the shades of sepia and grey. They fade to nothing under the force of love and resolution and there is a lightness and unity, a re-alignment throughout your form as the light fills your head. You float from within the wonderous orb. You can see in its soothing corona an endless catolgues of marvelous dreams to chose from. You hear stories call out to you as you gravitate towards one in particular adventure. The light will watch over you as sleep spreads through you and dims the wondrous light.

Sometimes this is the best we can do.

Max

WARREN:
that's just it ... everything you've believe about BO, because you've read everything on him, right? so .. you know it's right ...

WE ... HILLARY supporters have done our homework too .. when the Republicans went after Bill Clinton from the get go & the MSM played every note just perfect, we researched everything too ... alot that's been told over & over again .. were the MSM twisting things .. just how they are doing it now, with every word that comes out of Hillary or Bill ... playing the one card that would turn voters off .. racist ...

You know, Warren .. if ya say it enough .. everyone will believe it ... just have to see >>>> Iraq

corrected for the record,

9/11 keep writing. You have a gift for it. I would say what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger, but that would be missing something crucial about love. Love never dies unless we let it go and will only depart from us when we are no more.

So even, what kills us can sometimes make us love even more strongly. I don't know if I said that quite clearly or if it makes any sense.

Some one said something like this to me once...

Close your eyes lying down in bed and imagine yourself as a happy child.

A great white light appears before you in a field at twilight. You chase after it running through the field amazed by its undulating shape. You are almost pulled along by its magic and suddenly you find yourself traveling in your own body. Your eyes are closed but you can feel your self and this light in your toes moving through every fiber of flesh radiating up from the soles of your feet...

You glide as though pulled along by the tendrils of light issuing from the benevolent orb with which you have merged. There is a newfound strength and purpose, but the moment sweeps you along slowly as your rise through your legs.

You can feel yourself traveling, warming your flesh as you pass upwards. You sense the bone and nerves and each ligament as you pass upwards. You move towards your waist approaching your belly of nerves. You can see all the parts inside around you, each connection and tissue warmed by the beacon of light you ride with. It grows in strength as you travel towards your heart and beyond, each area resonating with the radiance within.

Slowly the area that is of concern is before you. The white light intensified its brilliance as you relax, breathing slowly. You see your face and you see the white light as it rises in your neck.

The wonder of the child has merged into the light, which in turn vaporizes all the darkness and obstructions, removing all the shades of sepia and grey. They fade to nothing under the force of love and resolution.

There is lightness and unity, a re-alignment throughout your form as the light fills your head. You float from within the wondrous orb. You can see in its soothing corona an endless catalogue of marvelous dreams from which to choose. You hear stories call out to you as you gravitate towards one particular adventure.

The light will watch over you as sleep spreads through you and dims the wondrous light.

Sometimes this is the best we can do.

Max, Several years ago I was really sick. Sick enough that when I looked out my bedroom window I saw my mother, grandmother, and a favorite uncle sitting on chairs chatting to each other and looking and pointing at me. This went on for about half an hour--until they finally decided that I wasn't quite ready yet. They stood up, waved, and left.

It was a tremendously peaceful experience--serene beyond words.

Although I've always been philosophical about my demise, on this occasion all trepidation left me--hopefully never to return.

A very powerful ad for Hillary began today in Oregon with Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame

Well, I'm unplugging the workstations and will be powering down the servers. Stinky and I leave at 0700 and should be back in a couple of weeks.

Stay out of trouble!

Flatus, it's not the trepidation, but the fury that bothers me. Who wants to leave what they love so dearly?

Life is all we know and nothingness is no comfort.

Anyway, I see your point.

What I posted was a variation of visualization therapy designed to realse internal immune system and direct it consciously at what is killing us. One should read this to the person trying to visualize. Sometimes the white light is visualized as a white horse. Each of us has endless powers and potentialities. Our weakness lies primarily in our stubborn inability to unlock them.

No one who loves going lightly into nothingness. No one who has loved forgets the pain of those before them vanishing into nothing. To travel towards our end unfettered by fear means silencing our trepidation. Meeting our end as living souls means facing the end as alive as the day we were created. That spirit cannot go lightly into the abyss. When the time came, my father told the nurse he was ready and not try to prolong the inevitable. The irony was that particular moment in itme was not inevitiable; only the fallibility of medicine was responsible for his actual date of departure (though to be fair, heart surgery had extended his stay). But he had endured enough and had found his peace. I just cannot understand this now. I have too much fight left in me and too many things left to experiance.

J'arrive Acadie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZwkxHYM7lI

Finally I have more than 84 kb/s upload/download going here.

*waving*

Hey Dex, glad to see you're still around.

This is such a different world with different rules. Can anyone imagine that anyone would have ever suggested that a potential candidate drop out, say in Eisenhower's or Kennedy's time?

That'd be heresy.

tt

MAX .. that was beautiful!

Max,

Thank you, thank you so. That's preserved and not just on paper.

More and better tomorrow.

Ruth,

Patsi will be so pissed at me for bringing this up... but...

The NYT's George Vecsey (good guy) wrote both the book and the screenplay for Coal Miner's Daughter... which was the first of Loretta Lynn's co-written (not ghost written) memoirs.

The second was co-written by Patsi.

Patsi has lived one genuinely original life of real accomplishments. Her Lynn book is really very good which is something given that Vecsey had the life's narrative to work with. But there is more intimacy in this one and that is quite a distinction.

Okay, Patsi. I apologize. But your books I've read are really something.

Seeing that it is late an no one cares about band width at this hour, 9/11, when I direct you here in the future, this is for you as well.

Yes Sickness unto Death is the core within Becker's apple. I decided to read that and my high school teacher was quite disturbed. He asked me if I was okay…LOL The Seventh Seal was my favorite serious movie of early adulthood, though I found myself often playing chess with the notion of death, rather than the self-absorption of the squire.

You can see why I find Denial quite a scholastic bummer, but to each their own. Perhaps Star Maker by Olaf Stapleton is a bit more uplifting, though even more fatalistic. Nothing endures a Super Nova.

And of course there is that amusing adventure in Star Trek, Next Generation where Q wants to die because immortality and omnipotence has become so completely boring. There was a famous philosophic paper on the boredom of immortality to go along with the later TV Q story. Now let's be serious. What rational being would not want a good thousand healthy and vibrant years to explore potentiality? Beats waiting for Godot. And Q bored with immortality AND omnipotence? Surely, it took a screenplay writer in Hollywood to come up with that relatable conception.

Limitation is certainly the backbone of the limitless, but life on earth has NEVER been broken. That it rests its immortality to date on the backs of myriad individuals is not a necessary constraint, merely a naturally selected expediency. Our selfish genes have endured since conception. Mother Nature would like nothing better than to see her children break open the doors of natural selection and leap frog the vagaries of differential reproduction. Perhaps in time to forestall an impending extinction by some giant rock?

I see Life as that squire. The great scandal is how our denial of death is rather a denial of how we can beat Death at that game of chess, or rather stall for some great period of time as we press as loving, conscious entities the limits and potential of the universe. We can argue whether deleterious defects accumulated within over time cannot be corrected easily, hence life extension is still greatly out of reach, but who can argue that humanity within centuries will not crack that nasty nut and eat of that forbidden fruit from the tree of life? I am perhaps more Jungian, or even Gurdjeffian about our existential dilemma.. Had we decided to curb our propensity to slaughter and maim, striven to enforce the terms of equitable cooperation, the many trillions of dollars spent in conflict would have already uplifted the quality and duration of our lives a hundred fold. And thus, the fault dear Brutus…..

Such thoughts I think go to the heart of what thinking outside the box means. Yes death shaped what we are and our situation was not of our own creation. We today, on the other hand, are just perhaps a hundred years away from profound actualities. Such is the torment and imagination of our days. We live in both the Denial of Life and the Denial of Death, which yes, to a certain degree, lie rooted in the denial of our personal extinction and how we submerge our fears of it..

Coincidentally, my dad passed away days before Alan Ball' s Six Feet Under premiered on HBO.
Not only did that show help me put death in perspective, I met this eclectic set of friends on the threads of the show's website.
We had loss threads and threads where we just shared comments on the show and daily life. We had coping threads and I emerged from the end of that HBO series with a close circle of friends that still mean the world to me. It's amazing how the wicked world works...
GOOD DAYS COMING

Everything changes, the wheel
of the law turns without pause.

After the rain, good weather.

In the wink of an eye

The universe throws off
its muddy cloths.

For ten thousand miles
the landscape

Spreads out like
a beautiful brocade.

Gentle sunshine.
Light breezes. Smiling flowers,

Hang in the trees, amongst the
sparkling leaves,

All the birds sing at once.

Men and animals rise up reborn.

What could be more natural?

After sorrow comes happiness.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Ho Chi Minh

Oh high, Tiptoe! Our buddy Crazee Corey is tiptoeing through the tulips these days in Holland, his hometown in Michigan.
He has a few pics on his blog ...pretty neat,actually. The tulips are out in fine form here in northern Ohio, too. The local Parks Department has several fine displays.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Is Senator Joey now the Official Caretaker for Insane McCain?
Checking McCain's bearings? I am convinced McCain doesn't know a Sunni from a Shiite from a Kurd .
Now McCain and his wife McCunt are promising a clean, smear-free campaign. Who they shittin'?

Thanks for the heads up, Dex.

Corey, the tulips are beautiful!!

tt

For nogrudge; Just a word in your ear about the
media. When JFK was in the White house and was
indulging in his very flagrant pecadillos, the media was sensitive to the position and had enough class to
leave it alone, maybe for fear of bringing down
Camelot, whatever the reason, it wouldn't have
mattered what he did, I would have loved him anyway.
The media had no such compunction about
the "white trash" from Arkansas, who, apart from his
personal inclinations, was a much better president
than JFK, who had a lot more of a mess to clean up(CIA Bush) and it was reassuring to have a "relaxed"
finger on the trigger, ergo it wouldn't have mattered what he did, I would have loved him anyway, also. Consequently, I admire his wife, who, I think, is smarter than he is, but perhaps not as consumate a politician. The day dubya was inaugurated, I wept, it will be the same this time. The cable media has practically pushed people into the Obama camp because he's good copy and the Clinton's are not real receptive to the press, surprise, surprise. It just proves the adage, old money talks and all other BS walks.......... Good Night all.

P.S. Matt Drudge should die screaming.

Umm. I just tried to post something and the message said my content as being held for approval by the blog owner. ????

Yeah -- It had several links. That was it, huh? Oh well. It can wait -- just some funny stuff on race relations.

I am off to work. I've organized a big conference today for early childhood professionals featuring storytelling and hula dancers.

Ciao for now y'all!

Celebrate away, pal. It's a little hard to be chirpy when the first things you read here are all nasty and divisive comments coming from the "uniters-not-dividers." Wait a minute....where have I heard that slogan before.....

very fine commenting over the past 15 hours or so.....thank you Harbor, 9/11, Max, Blonde, PolPissed, burrito, Dex (as always), no grudge, maggie, bowmanC, Flatus, and more..........

mighty fine, kids............

patsi.....sorry 9/11 let the cat out of the sack, but now I can read Loretta's second auto with a little better in-look.............thanks

Alicia

If you have more than two links. Do multiple posts. It is a SPAM prevention system and anything with three or more links drops into a bucket waiting for Craig's approval and that can take days if he is really busy.

Good morning Patsi. Hope you are having a nice Saturday.

Sturge -- Actually, Loretta asked Vecsey to write the second one and he turned her down, wisely saying that the first would be a tough one to follow. She called me about it, but I was working on a different project, and I tried to get her to go back and convince George V that he should work with her again. (The biggest problem was that the second book would in reality be competing with the movie.)

The next thing I heard was six months later when she'd been working with another guy, not Vecsey, and it was all going south. The short version is that I ended going back and writing it, but the guy she'd by then hired had to be bought out at a huge fee and so I got paid a fraction of what he did. There's a lesson in there somewhere. And I think we know what it is.

She's a peach.

Hi Jamie -- I (once again) had to get up with the chickens to let the dog out...and am hoping to grab an hour nap!

Plus, a stray cat has taken to coming up on the deck and peering in the glass doors....and my cat Bill goes INSANE. Just when the dog was back in and napping, Bill saw the interloper-of-the-deck and turned cartwheels all over the kitchen. So it's already been an exciting Saturday morning.

Our latest feline adoptee started walking on my head at 3:45 so I had to get up and feed the pride ... never merge households with another cat lover, it brings out the worst aspects of the cat's sense of divine right to be worshipped and obeyed.

Oh, Patsi.

I get the same problem in being what used to be called a show doctor: if a show doctor doesn't do what he/she is paid to do, the show will lose an often enormous investment. (We are the dorks of last resort.)

Yet, even after years of succeeding with this, the industry standard remains a flat fee or per diem for show doctors. So even if the play or the libretto and/or the lyrics get a sizable to total revision.... you don't get a stake of the royalties.

So while others may revel (sometimes) in the reviews, the audience response or even the sale of movie rights, we wind up with a different standard of accomplishment --

"At least the check didn't bounce."

Morning everyone. My Mom wanted to go to downtown Holland last night. So , we went. It took me over 30 minutes to find a parking space! We saw the Dutch dancers and then got some ice cream at Cold Stone. Today is the day of the big parade. I'm gonna try to go to that since I haven't been to any parades this year.

Jamie,

You know... maybe all those Superdelegates are his.

loved that bit about Cbob as the stranger, also.......

Oh, yes...

Congratulations to the Josh Marshall mishpochah on the birth of son (and brother) number two... Daniel Eytan Marshall.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/194209.php

Sometimes the choices of news producers make me go HuH? There are about three billion people too many for the food and energy available not to mention the welfare of other species, so what story do they find fascinating: A woman giving birth to her 18th child ... thanks loads fellas.

sturge,

My daughter and I go to watch the videos Cbob left as a testament to his work as an artist at least once a month.

I look at them... and so many stories come back. And with them a lot of lasting, even indelible observations about history, culture, humans and animals.

And then there was the environment. Several times daily I go to look at the temperature patterns around the globe.

His observations in that area live as well -- though not as stiringly as most of the others.

And, as it happens, without him at least one environment's become a toxic mess --

Ours.

Well I feel better knowing that we are a microcosm of the nation's Feminists, but now that we know, lets put it all aside.

Feminists sharply divided between Clinton, Obama

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080510/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_feminists

jamie,

I've got a writer for you -- and anyone else who's interested.

A poet named Sharon Dolin. She won the Donald Hall Prize this year.

You can find enough of her work online.

Good Morning from OTown and site for last nights Crawford presentation.

The crowd was the largest they have had in this series and of course with AP, Jennbe and the Ping at the event made it pretty special. Craig did disclose our blogness to the crowd.

Was a fun night and we went to one of the Crawford family favorites for a late dinner which included mom and dad, Thank you again for dinner Craig !

and thanks to fellow bloggers anon and jennbe, It was a great pleasure to meet in person. Jennbe's travels for over 6 hours to attend. extra time as a truck fire on the highway created a 2 hour delay.
Now that is dedication !!

9/11

Just started reading some of her work. Have to buy the books

http://www.poetrymagazine.com/archives/2002/June2002/dolin.htm

Wow Ping Soooo Nice for all of you. Sounds like a bonding experience!

Sheila you are right.

Very simple, A true Crawfords lister is simply a nice person. This was very clear spending time with AP and Jennebe last night. Just like Craig, a nice person.

Hope to meet you some day

Obama Claims He's Visited 57 States

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

Me too Ping! This too shall pass. We should plan a "This Too Just Passed" Reunion next Spring.

Give some time for healing stick wounds and bite marks. ;0)

You had a rare treat. Craig and his family are delightful. Will we luck out with something on video or C-SPAN?

"At a later stop Obama was talking with reporters and expressed concern he'd also mis-stated the number of potential cyclone victims in Burma. He said, ""I hope I said 100,000 people the first time instead of 100 million. I understand I said there were 57 states today. It's a sign that my numeracy is getting a little, uh." At that point, an aide cut him off and ushered journalists out. Before he could mis-speak again?"

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/barack-obama-wa.html

I will be living back in Tacoma Wa, but i will go anywhere we deside would be good.

jamie,

Here's something you don't have to buy --

Frank Sinatra Sings Rodgers & Hammerstein.

It features many unreleased radio airchecks... and covers their rep from Oklahoma, Carousel (Frank was the original Billy Bigelow in the Fox movie but quit when he learned they were shooting it in two formats -- he hated doing more than one intense take -- and the next day the studio dumped the second format), State Fair, The King & I, Allegro (I love Allegro, Me & Juliet and Pipe Dream) and the hottest, freshest show on Broadway, South Pacific.

http://rapidshare.com/files/113838201/Frank_Sinatra_-_Sinatra_sings_Rodgers_and_Hammerstein.rar

Sheila,

Can we just tweak the title a little to "This Too Shall Pass Kidney Stones"?

"Our latest feline adoptee started walking on my head at 3:45 so I had to get up and feed the pride ... never merge households with another cat lover, it brings out the worst aspects of the cat's sense of divine right to be worshipped and obeyed."

Isn't THAT the truth!!! Of my three cats, Bill is the big white/orange male and littermate of Minnie, who is the REAL alpha/diva of the house. Faron Young was the rattiest, tiniest kitten who showed up on the back patio years ago and tried to make all the outdoor cats think he was tough. Hence the name. I call him my $2500 cat because he was so sick and in and out of the hospital for the first year and a half. Faron's spoiled rotten and the Bugs Bunny of the house, and he also walks on my head when he's up and wants food!

GORDO,

Like the rest of us, Senator Obama needs a couple of days off from political campaigns..

As for the mystery of the 57 states --

My guess is that the man needs to spend less time with Teresa Heinz Kerry in his ear.

Thanks GORDO! That was Cute!

Now both of them have misquoted and looked human this week. I love human beings that show their human side. Its charming

"the industry standard remains a flat fee or per diem for show doctors. So even if the play or the libretto and/or the lyrics get a sizable to total revision.... you don't get a stake of the royalties."

Yep -- it's pretty astonishing!

LOL I like that one 9/11 cause that is what it has been like for this period in history.

Lanny Davis on CNN primary night: 'Worst experience I ever had on television'

"Fox, no matter how much you might criticize an ideological bent, in this campaign, they have been religiously middle-of-the-road, point-counterpoint,” Davis said."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0508/Lanny_Davis_on_CNN_primary_night_Worst_experience_I_ever_had_on_television.html

I love the Pac NW !! Road Trip !!
Crawfords at Pikes !! Larsons for breakfast = the best real cornbeef hash this world knows

Faron sounds a lot like my Rory (short for Rohrschach because of black and white patterns). He was my dumpster kitty, barely able to walk, starving and vermin infested. He's 12 now and a benevolent dictator who simply looks at the others with whisker lift displeasure should they offend him in any way. My grandson refers to him as the brother by another mother and has been known to carry him from room to room just for the company.

patsi,

I know it's hard enough dealing with living artists.

But the worst experiences I have had often are with literary estates when I'm adapting from one medium to another or revising work.

Also... some of the best ones. There are estates to which I'm dedicated because of my love of the writer's work. In time the relationships with the literary executors can develop well to remarkably well.

And then the estate can switch literary executors and you're back living la square peg in blocked hole vida loca.

Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun ---------------

"I love human beings that show their human side. Its charming"

Nice spin. What if Hillary or McCain had made those mistakes? We can all imagine what MSM would have said.

hmmm...Ping you mean Pikes Peak has a great diner with the Best Corned Beef in our life time? Tell me where this is excatly? I love good corned beef!

"Crawfords at Pikes !! Larsons for breakfast"

That would be great. I can even take the train from Tacoma ... good time and environmentally friendly.

Next year.... How about.
Holy $%!%, that thing has finally passed,,, ugh and i did what?
Will see who accepts the new direction and gives it a chance.
I know if BHO is elected I will have to have a mind set change

Good morning gang. Some great posts sprouted last night among the bitter weeds. I loved the stuff between Max and 9/11...it was very inspiring. And sorry about you getting outed, Patsi...but what the hell, rise for your applause and be proud. Maybe it will give a certain pot-addled I.T. guy more pause in the future when he dares to consider himself your intellectual equal. Knowing we have such quality folks here is what keeps me coming back.

Sounds like Craig was a smash hit last night.

Oh...since someone mentioned Chopper high in the thread, we are having a blast. I've had him two weeks as of today, and he's settled in like he's lived here for years. He's snoozing on the couch right now after a full morning of romping around...which is about the only reason I have time to post!

Corey, have fun at the parade in Holland today. I went through there on a bike trip in 1997. It's a beautiful city. Even though it was early August and hot as hell, the waters of Lake Michigan were still too damn cold for me!

Good morning gang. Some great posts sprouted last night among the bitter weeds. I loved the stuff between Max and 9/11...it was very inspiring. And sorry about you getting outed, Patsi...but what the hell, rise for your applause and be proud. Maybe it will give a certain pot-addled I.T. guy more pause in the future when he dares to consider himself your intellectual equal. Knowing we have such quality folks here is what keeps me coming back.

Sounds like Craig was a smash hit last night.

Oh...since someone mentioned Chopper high in the thread, we are having a blast. I've had him two weeks as of today, and he's settled in like he's lived here for years. He's snoozing on the couch right now after a full morning of romping around...which is about the only reason I have time to post!

Corey, have fun at the parade in Holland today. I went through there on a bike trip in 1997. It's a beautiful city. Even though it was early August and hot as hell, the waters of Lake Michigan were still too damn cold for me!

Sheila,

I often think about the two Obama daughters...

And that when this is over, no matter how the votes go, they will get their puppy.

So I concentrate on a good outcome whose promise I believe in.

And I recommend to everyone that on the day after Election Day everyone go get a dog or cat (not necessarily a puppy or a kitten) from a shelter.

Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun ---------------

"I love human beings that show their human side. Its charming"

Nice spin. What if Hillary or McCain had made those mistakes? We can all imagine what MSM would have said.

Posted by: GORDO | May 10, 2008 9:02 AM

GORDO, There comes a time in everyone's week, where you have to put the Bitter Feelings aside and look at reality, if you please.

I hope someday you can put away the divisiveness and enjoy this site's and its people. Because after November all of us will still be here. As a matter of fact, I bet most of the disenfranchised come home.

So Take that tinfoil hat off every once in a while. Enjoy!

Good morning gang. Some great posts sprouted last night among the bitter weeds. I loved the stuff between Max and 9/11...it was very inspiring. And sorry about you getting outed, Patsi...but what the hell, rise for your applause and be proud. Maybe it will give a certain pot-addled I.T. guy more pause in the future when he dares to consider himself your intellectual equal. Knowing we have such quality folks here is what keeps me coming back.

Sounds like Craig was a smash hit last night.

Oh...since someone mentioned Chopper high in the thread, we are having a blast. I've had him two weeks as of today, and he's settled in like he's lived here for years. He's snoozing on the couch right now after a full morning of romping around...which is about the only reason I have time to post!

Corey, have fun at the parade in Holland today. I went through there on a bike trip in 1997. It's a beautiful city. Even though it was early August and hot as hell, the waters of Lake Michigan were still too damn cold for me!

Sorry for the double post.
Sorry for the double post.

I thought she was referring to Pike Place Market

http://www.pikeplacemarket.org/frameset.asp?flash=false

The place at Pikes Street market downtown I think is Larsons. When you go into the market under the Pikes Street sign, turn right and on the left is a resturant. On that level is a cafateria line, go up to the mid level, sit down and order the best Cornbeef Hash Breakfast one can have,
Now it has been years so hope it is still open.

LL Have you had enough coffee yet?

Sheila -- Fairly interesting article and the age differences don't surprise.

These comments almost made me spit Diet Coke on the screen. ROFL! -- The young women are not so much feminists as they are the beneficiaries of feminism:

" Garfinkel wrote. "In this race, Barack Obama is the true feminist."

New York-based author Courtney Martin, also an Obama supporter, wrote on Glamour magazine's blog Glamocracy last month that she was not backing Clinton "in part because she reminds me of being scolded by my mother."

Crap, it was a triple post!
Crap, it was a triple post!
Crap, it was a triple post!

Sheila...I think maybe too much coffee. LOL.

Got it...
Thanks for the link Jamie

http://www.eatatlowells.com/

Lowell's Home Made Corned Beef Hash in Seattle ("Made Fresh Daily") & Eggs - We Fresh-Grind Corned Beef with Onions, Potatoes and Seasonings, then Grill it and Top with Two Eggs. With Hash Browns & Toast, choice of jams or marmalade. 10.95

Ping Pong,

That's like... like... like.... the value of EIGHT fried baloney samwiches!!!!!!!!!!!

The young women are not so much feminists as they are the beneficiaries of feminism:

Patsi I know!

Good thing they didn't go thru what we did. Forging a trail is not fun, but watching the rewards for the next generation is.

I like watching someone like my son in the Navy, treating a fellow female sailor like she is a "Sailor" and not just a sexual object.....its truly inspiring to see this.

So we still feel the pricks and stings from the past, but we can at least see the promise that the next generation as getting over it.

Directly because WE did it for them. Very cool!

9/11 yes and the value of modern medicine !!
But it is so darn good....
To all that can make it to PIke's please enjoy and let me know, As knowing you have pleasured will be shared

I tell you what, Dog and Harborwoman, will make the stop at Pikes if we can and we'll take a picture to comemorate.

I was just thinking, I know exactly where it is, just haven't been in there.

But what is it about Seattle and the region. One of the first dishes I learned in a restaurant there was freshly made Corned Beef Hash. Leaving that region, I've only seen it canned....

Does anyone else have a freshly made CBH eating place in the nation? Just wondering.

Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun ------------------------

"I bet most of the disenfranchised come home."

If Obama gets the nomination, the Repub 527s will crush him into dust. Not only would he fail to pick up the Clinton supporters, but he would lose a significant portion of those supporting him now. Obama is still an unknown to most people - he would be defined in the most horrible and frighting ways possible ( not difficult to do, so much to work with).

" with literary estates when I'm adapting from one medium to another or revising work."

I can't even imagine!

Campaign fund raising. Check out this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI0nKzdpPJ8&feature=dir

Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun ------------------------

"I bet most of the disenfranchised come home."

If Obama gets the nomination, the Repub 527s will crush him into dust. Not only would he fail to pick up the Clinton supporters, but he would lose a significant portion of those supporting him now. Obama is still an unknown to most people - he would be defined in the most horrible and frighting ways possible ( not difficult to do, so much to work with).

Posted by: GORDO | May 10, 2008 9:31 AM

You see GORDO? Put a sock in it once in a while.

I'm talking about letting all the CRAPFEST go and enjoying the poeple on this site. After the GE, we will still be here.

If you decide to leave, more your loss. But if you decide to stay, you have to get to know us as human beings, not just a digitized view that you regeratate to.

Get to know the people. You will be better for it. Like where are you from GORDO? how old are you? Where did you grow up?

A lot of us, know a lot about each other. We have our differences, but in fact, we haev turned into neighbors. With all the candy and bitter herbs that goes with it. I wouldn't change one person on this blog. ;0)

"give a certain pot-addled I.T. guy more pause "

Nah, Lard....he has know exactly what I do for my alleged living for a long time. It just confirmed his opinion of my hillbilly status. Which is fine. I take great pride in being a hillbilly.

....except for the Trolls of all shapes and sizes. But then they come and go or turn magically into great people once they get a little healing from our presence.

" Forging a trail is not fun, but watching the rewards for the next generation is.
I like watching someone like my son in the Navy, treating a fellow female sailor like she is a "Sailor" and not just a sexual object.....its truly inspiring to see this. "

I have seen some progress. But after this election cycle, and the type of anti-female comments all over television -- and in some blogs -- not as much here although it does surface -- I am convinced we haven't made the progress we thought.

Gotta go do my chores.. So Crawfords listers friends catch up later.. And same to the others on the Trail...

Shelia - your right on... !!!
I will need to find a trip to the PAC NW !!

and yes, Orlando has a nice little family resturant, Shannons Place - that has the best Cornbeef hash East of Pikes market.

NOw to the yard..
And HEY Hippster WHERE ARE YOU, OR WHO ARE YOU?

Patsi,

There have been times that I have wondered if it was worth it.

But the very fact that these girls, do not have to think about it.....except with our GEN's Men still.....and You moms of the girls have made them so powerful.

Well, I think sometimes you have to take off the glasses and take a real live look.

I know about 10 years ago it was particularly painful for me to see that not one young woman really cared what I went through....

until I realised that this is exactly the attitude we really want! it means everythings we did to change the climate has worked.

And YES, there is still a lot to do, but with our children's attitudes, means more change that they will make.

I'm glad that they will carry it on, but with not as much pain and more "Matter of Fact"

"Lowell's Home Made Corned Beef Hash in Seattle ("Made Fresh Daily") & Eggs - We Fresh-Grind Corned Beef with Onions, Potatoes and Seasonings, then Grill it and Top with Two Eggs. With Hash Browns & Toast, choice of jams or marmalade. "

Oh My God! I have some corned beef, some eggs and frozen french fries....it won't be as good, but maybe....

"But after this election cycle, and the type of anti-female comments all over television "

Patsi, It has been truly evil. Sen. Obama may be a perfectly nice man, but I can't forgive him for not speaking out at the injustice and the behavior of his followers. It doesn't say much for his real belief in hope and change for the future. His ambition won out over decency, so even if he becomes President, he has lost my respect from the beginning and it will take a lot to get it back.

People who think snarky "just joking" humor that belittles others are rarely people you want to know and his campaign and the comments from both him and his wife have been loaded with it.

Max, 911, Flatus, Viv, politicallypissed, and others.
Really enjoyed reading your posts from last nite.
You all-nighters are really deep.

Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun --------------------

I can understand why you don't want to read anything negative about Obama. That "can't we all get along" talk is thrown out in an effort to shut down criticism.

Trouble in paradise

Obama Adviser Tied to Hamas Meetings Resigns
By Glenn Kessler
An informal Middle East adviser to Sen. Barack Obama's campaign resigned Friday after a newspaper reported on his regular meetings with members of the Hamas militant group.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/09/obama_adviser_tied_to_hamas_me.html

Interestingly, older voters — many of whom supported Democrats over the years — seem reluctant to support Mr. Obama. Hillary Clinton has carried the vote of people over 65 in 26 primary elections. And looking forward to the general election, the national polls now show John McCain running better against Mr. Obama among this older age group — as well as among middle-aged voters and younger voters.
http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/the-widening-gap/index.html?ref=opinion

.....oh well.

At least a little fresh air was let in for a moment today. A great Saurday Morning. warm and spring'

Ping, Patsi, 9/11, Gordo, jamie, thanks a little freshness.

There needs to be a little more "Other" talk between the three sides. life is too short!

You see GORDO? I was extending a hand. My hands are open. After you get tired of trying to divide all of us into what you really want. Get to know us.

We're pretty nice people.

...And Patsi...that sounds like a treat!

reg. We're pretty nice people.
You could have fooled me.
Some of your posts sound more pompous and divisive than nice.
Somehow that vision of you holding out your hand to anyone with a different opinion is hard to see. I keep seeing a fist.

Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun-------------------

Nothing personal - this is politics.

"I was extending a hand. My hands are open."

Try that on the Repub attackers - they are so sensitive and understanding.

MEDIA A DISGRACE

the MSM in this country are really running this country

as much as the the bush adminastration is to blame for the war and the condition the country is in the media did not do any investigation as to the fact when it came to the administrations reasons for attacking iraq.....some of them already new there were no WMD's and that iraq had no involvement in 9/11.....they knew saddam hated al queda.......but they let the public think differently and helped lead us into the war

they are the ones who painted hillary as unlikable and a tyrant ........and brainwashed the public about her
they knew about reverend wright a year before the first primary and sat on it so as not to stain their chosen one

they also know more things about obama that
will come out
i could list many more examples of their fraud on the american people
but the clincher is this latest attack on hillary about white voters

if you listen to her she said i am "quoting an article from the AP".......pundits break down voters by race age education and yearly income .......she quotes an article from the AP about low income white voters voting for her and shes being "racist"

are we all robots?????the media is choosing our candidates and we the public is letting them
i think this is a huge disgrace and im disappointed in craig for making her look like a racist ....he knows she was just quoting a news outlet

i will not vote for obama ....not because of race but because he is a phony and a con artist and i refuse to let the media shove some made up candidate down my throat....this is probably my last post as it is like talking to an empty chair to those that have been brainwashed by the media to vote for an ex senator from a state and with 2 years in the US senate that has many questionable misjudgements that we know of so far

i also always thought that craig wos one of a few people that was fair to all in this campaign and now am dissapointed that he has joined the MSM
i love this country and gave four years to the US MARINE CORPS

i will end this by quoting

"i may disaggree with what you say but i will defend to the death your right to say it"

n,

Discordae concours.

Speaking of feminism and Loretta Lynn...what courage it took for her to write some of the songs she did back in the day, like "The Pill."And when some country stations banned it she just said, "the hell with 'em."

I remember one day out at her house, she'd just "fried us up some baloney sandwiches" when her son came in and let fly some just awful sexist comments about one of his ex-wives. Loretta said, "Sonny, you're talkin' that trash around the wrong ol' girls now. I don't know whether to whip your butt myself or let her do it."

She's a corker.

Lorretta Lyn is one of my heroes.

this may be why we are in more danger from attack now then we used to be FBI and ATF hate each other.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24549241

yo soy Horsedooty!

Hi gang....
I don't usually post on Saturdays..... Rick has gone to do some brotherly bonding with his younger siblings today and I decided to read last night's posts while lounging around with some extra coffee.....

best Friday night postings I've seen here in quite some time, IMO.....

Lardass..... glad to see you and Chopper are having such a good time....

Patsi & Jamie..... great descriptions of your cats..... my new one..... who's given name by her former owner.... Paris..... just doesn't suit her in this household..... she's only been here for 5 weeks and she thinks she rules the roost..... but my older female, Phoenix, is already The Queen..... so I've decided to rename my new one The Princess.....

9/11..... as always..... it's a pleasure to read your posts.....

Max.... I'm very glad you're still here....

everyone have a great day!

So what is Crystal Gayle like? She's pretty and talented, but doesn't quite seem to measure up to her older sister for character, but it may just be a difference in style.

correction then should be than

yo soy Horsedooty!

Discordia concours:

A Latin phrase meaning "discord in harmony." The term was coined by the eighteenth-century English writer Samuel Johnson to describe "a combination of dissimilar images or discovery of occult resemblances in things apparently unlike." Johnson created the expression by reversing a phrase by the Latin poet Horace

9/11 my Friend,

Very Apropos and pertinent. ;0)

Time to start packing again.

Jamie -- I don't know Crystal very well. Have only been around her a few times. But she's very nice, quiet, just completely opposite from Loretta. There's NONE of the Kentucky hillbilly in her. The family moved -- maybe to Ohio, can't remember....while she grew up.

What a voice!

But she really needs to cut that hair. Her husband once told me that the only times he worried about her were when she got on the escalators at the airport. I had to think a minute....then said, "Lord!" What a thought!

reg. We're pretty nice people.
You could have fooled me.
Some of your posts sound more pompous and divisive than nice.
Somehow that vision of you holding out your hand to anyone with a different opinion is hard to see. I keep seeing a fist.

Posted by: n | May 10, 2008 10:12 AM

nick, the only thing I ever did to you was....nothing?

Must be because I am simply an Obama Supporter....But here is the difference between me and you as I can see. I am a Clinton Supporter too.

I am very interested in the long run. As in getting the country back on another track to correct what the republicans have done.

So if you want the republicans back in for more of the same, then you and I have a lot that divides us.

Otherwise, the only other thing that does is time....that is all. have a great day.

Jamie:

So instead of being mad at Obama for what others say - you are now getting mad at Obama for something he did not say. (If he had to spend all his time denouncing every jackass thing one of his supporters said - then you would be mad at him for not talking about the issues enough.)

And what about Clinton "piling on" the Wright story and the bitter comments. Clinton has had plenty of opportunities to take the high road and appear Presidential - but she has taken the low road every opportunity possible. You can call it "fighting" - but I think it hurt her with voters - despite the conventional wisdom that that is how you are supposed to act.

Warren says, "I think it hurt her with voters"

It hurt her with his voters but not with her own base.
She won handily with the working class, hispanics, and those
of us experienced enough to see through Obama.

The only math that matters -- HIllary Clinton wins..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEqBGWx9t5M

Here is a post from another blog showing the faulty logic of McCain and the GOP:

McCain on Obama's Iraq position:

"It's long and it's hard and it's tough, we're frustrated by the mishandling of the war by Rumsfeld for many years, but to set a date for withdrawal such as, and by the way, he uses a little bit different rhetoric as you know..
HH: Yes.
JM: before his partisan, Democrat audiences, you know, get them out immediately, et cetera, et cetera. But the point is that it's a fundamental misunderstand of our national security, misunderstanding, a failure to understand the importance of the conflict in Iraq, and its effect on the entire region. And if we tell the people in the neighborhood that we're leaving, my friend, it will affect Afghanistan, it will affect Israel, it will affect all of our national security interests in the region in a most devastating fashion, and we would be back, unfortunately, with further sacrifice. That'll be one of the issues of debate, and obviously, he has a lacking of experience and knowledge. Otherwise, he wouldn't be making these kinds of judgments."

But when asked he had a date certain by which to have aselection for Vice-President, he said:

I don't, and we're just in the beginning of the process. I do not, Hugh, but I'd like to get it done as early as possible. But you always, you know, one of the things I've found in life is that unless we have a deadline, we have a tendency to delay, particularly in a decision of that impact, because it's tough. We have so many qualified people who would be under consideration. So I hope to get it done sooner rather than later."

Does anyone besides me get the irony in this exchange?

The Big Picture is let's all work together to end this terrible mistaken war with the least additional harm to the Iraqis, the region, and not the least or brave men and women who should never have been put in harm's way!"

Gordon: The only math that matters -- HIllary Clinton wins..

YEAH!

Whatever nogrudge. Those people would be voting for Clinton no matter what she says. They are loyal Clinton supporters and trust the Clinton brand.

Plus - white working class people are working instead of sitting around all day on a blog or watching MSNBC. So they don't see all of the machinations of the Clinton machine - and they just accept her talking points at face value.

http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/the-widening-gap/index.html?ref=opinion
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/05/going-nuclear-means-all-or-not.html#comment-80120

more spindrool

If you read something besides emails from the Obama campaign you might not live in an alternate universe

I am sure Karl Rove has the best interests of the Democratic Party on his mind. You guys are right!!

So Rove knows Clinton would beat McCain in the Fall - and he is trying to help the Dems from making a huge mistake.

I got it...

And you call Obama supporters naive?!

"Gordon: The only math that matters -- HIllary Clinton wins..

YEAH!"

Apparently you were not good at math in school.

"he worried about her were when she got on the escalators at the airport. "

My first week in DC I found out why all the women wore tennis shoes on the metro when my spike heel got caught in the groove of the escalator. I spent the next several weeks in slippers waiting for the twisted ankles and bruised and battered shins from the moving stairs. I can see where hair would be even scarier.

I read once that she had a bit of a phobia about cutting her hair because of it being kept almost "boy" short as a child.

"Plus - white working class people are working instead of sitting around all day on a blog or watching MSNBC."

I see you on the blog a lot Warren....are you working?

Warren,
JM is saying the war was mishandled by Bush and Rummy. This is different then your understanding. JM wants this to stop as much as anyone, but he also understands and is honest about the consequence of just retreat / defeat. I think HRC was close to this position

Patsi:

Not really. One week left at work and then summer vacation starts!!

Plus - I have been winding down at work - so I don't have much going on....

Warren says So they don't see all of the machinations of the Clinton machine - and they just accept her talking points at face value.

So we need you to tell us what's going on because we're too dumb to put together the pieces ourselves.
I guess that's why we're clinging to our guns, and religion and feel all this antipathy for others. We're just ignorant and need you to lead us forward.

Ping Png:

Are you crazy? First you post about McCain could have been said about anyone. It was a general statement that no one would disagree with.

And Clinton went much further to the left on Iraq than Obama. It was another (less obvious) pander when she started losing. I still can't believe that she adopted Wolfson's stupid position that Clinton would pull out troops in 60 days no matter what the generals say.

Chef Shelia.. A challenge, (no remember I am in a heat unduced state of mind taking a break from yard work)

Drop the Dem vs Rep. Go to positions and platforms, And I think if you are for HRC you will find JM much closer in values and results to HRC then to BHO.

The good old fat boys that screwed us all are gone thanks to the last nov house cleaning.
Problem now we still have Nancy and Harry . they have done nothing are also an inslut and must go.

My challenge to you is no longer just dump on republican as the easy way out. OPen your mind to the new centric possibility.

summer vacation starts?
you must not be on partner track

Warren says "Gordon: The only math that matters -- HIllary Clinton wins..
YEAH!"
Apparently you were not good at math in school.

Warren, I don't need to be. I've got you to explain it all to me.

Patsi: I noted your earlier comment about Loretta Lynn and Crystal Gayle ... the family lived in Indiana during most of Crystal's childhood.
That's pretty common ... lots of Indiana families migrated via Kentucky. Even in the 60s when I taught school in Indiana, 1/2 my kids were born in Kentucky.

Happy Mother's Day to all of the moms out there.

Yes Warren I am a touched crazed.... Thank you !
Line em up.... BHO far left - and I bet if elected and gets the same facts that HRC and Bush have about the enemy is going to $&!% his pants. BHO is a dreamer but sadly not a doer.
I would trust HRC and JM with our national security.
BHO can not be trusted.
To that end HRC would make at least a safe choice with the troops and Iraq
Who knows what BHO would do..... If you can not pin him down now - how can you trust him with our national security. Nice talking points does not get it done

Yesterday Arianna Huffington did all she could to elect John McCain by leaking a story that he did not vote for Bush in 2004. Just another step in separating himself from Bush and giving him credibility to say he is not like Bush.

This article from Jan is remarkable in the correctness of its predictions.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/01/only_mccain_can_beat_obama.html

Opps sorry,, Insult

Problem now we still have Nancy and Harry . they have done nothing are also an insult and must go... Along now with Bush

LARRY SINCLAIR UPDATE

(millions will see this at the checkout line)

On the cover of the GLOBE:

"Obama Caught Up In Gay Murder Probe - How much does he really know?"

http://rense.com/general81/obbi.htm

Ping Pong: The trick with politicians is to look at what they have done and where they have come from rather than what they promise.
I am pro-choice, pro civil rights (including gay rights), and greener than grass, but I could vote for McCain. Despite his rhetoric, I know he pretty much doesn't give two hoots about reversing Roe v Wade (although Mrs McCain apparently does), and he does care about the environment and conservation. Also (very important to me) he thinks ethanol is a crock.
As to the Iraq war ... my position is the same as Howard Dean's once was. It was a mistake, we never should have done it ... but we did it. We smashed that country to bits and we have a moral obligation to make sure we don't leave it broken.
Did anyone see today the reports of an actual negotiated cease fire between the government and Sader? That the Sader brigades will stand down if the government will promise only to confiscate assault weapons and the like. Who knows, by the time the next President takes office, things could be much improved. We can but hope.

No nogrudge.

It just means you need to see Obama for who he is - instead of looking through Clinton-colored glasses.

I realize I have often take a slanted view towards Clinton during this process.

And I wish some of you Clinton supporters would do the same thing instead of thinking it is a "metaphysical certitude" that Obama will lose the general election (or will somehow destroy our Country - gordo, matrue, et al....).

You do not know these things. And unless the Clintons are gods - they do know them either.

"they don't"

warren: Some of us are just afraid to take a chance on Obama. It is not just that he is practically a foreigner but that he seems very naive. Being prepared to sit down with Ahmadinejad without preconditions may sound nice...but we all saw Ahmadinejad at Columbia U. What are the chances that he's a guy that can be reasoned with? Really.
There are evil people in this world; some points of view cannot be reconciled. War is not the only solution in these cases, but sometimes a stand-off can be a good thing. The Jimmy Carter idea that all the problems of the world will be solved if we just convince the Israelis to commit national suicide is nonsense.
And BTW, Sen Obama's plan to spend the money we are now spending in Iraq on domestic programs is also nonsense ... we are borrowing that money from foreign sources.

mags:

You may have a point if McCain was not currently demonstrating that he will cave to the Right's demands. Look at him reversing positions on the Bush tax cuts even though they once offended his conscience.

(I have not seen the full story about his stance on torture except a few comments from the talking heads with little to no facts provided.)

And if you don't think McCain will nominate "pro-life" judges you underestimate the power of the Right.

A President's domestic agenda is pretty much set by the Party - not the President.

And if McCain continues the Bush Docrtine in terms of Foreign Policy - we will not be able to get the international cooperation to make a real change to the Environment.

"... the family lived in Indiana during most of Crystal's childhood.
That's pretty common ... lots of Indiana families migrated via Kentucky. Even in the 60s when I taught school in Indiana, 1/2 my kids were born in Kentucky."

Ah! Thanks, Maggie -- I wasn't sure where they moved. But it sure shows in the way both sisters talk and view the world! Loretta lapses back and forth between hill country talk and the speaking paterns she's picked up along the way...it's kind of cool.

warren-several things here, beginning with the likelihood that McCain sees himself as a potential one-term President (he may not, but I suspect that he does). In which case he is freed up to be his old maverick self.
As to the judges -- judges need confirmation. The likelihood is that the Dems pick up 4 seats and even Lieberman votes with the Dems on judicial appointments. This means we go back to the old system where the Senators from each state present their picks to the President and he works with the Judiciary Committee. McCain can do this.
As to the environment -- McCain is a true conservationist. He could easily be persuaded to reverse the Bush policy on raping National Parks and wilderness areas, AND I think he would like Hillary's plan to really push for a large tax credit for the purchase of American-made hybrids.
In the short term, it is the automobile use that must change. Millions of us would go out tomorrow and buy hybrids if we could afford them....and this would lessen the need to destroy crop lands and forests in order to grow alternative fuels. Would also save untold billions on re-tooling all our gas stations and the like.

Patsi - I loved the dialect of my Appalachian kids and tried very hard not to let the other kids bully them into talking differently, so long as it didn't affect their reading. Our regional dialects are, IMHO, a precious part of our heritage.
Just a for instance...I think it's a hoot that when each of our candidates speak conversationally, a good linguist could spot Hillary as an Illinois girl while Sen Obama sounds much more West Coast.

mags:

There is real truth to:

"Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer."
- Sun Tzu (and Michael Coreleone)

"Let us never negotiate out of fear. But let us never fear to negotiate."
- JFK

This idea that we need to stonewall "evil" dictators is a Neo-Con idea. Based on the dated notion that ONLY the USA is a "moral" country. That is a dangerous way of thinking becuase perception can often become reality.

In other words - when you expect the worst from others - you usually get what your asking for.

(And Obama is no Jimmy Carter. If he was - he would have never been able to defeat the Clinton Machine...unless you are willing to admit that the Clintons have become "soft" or "weak" ; )

nick:

Go fuck yourself.

(and have fun with your mock outrage that I used the "F-word" - I use it all the time ; )

NEW THREAD

Warren-Speaking strictly in foreign policy terms, I'm very much afraid Obama is another Jimmy Carter.
Now, here I should tell you that my degree is in International Relations and I was in the first wave of those who volunteered for the Peace Corps. I recognize that my notions of international diplomacy may be dated.
However, following NC when Obama spoke of talking with our enemies, the way Roosevelt and Truman and Kennedy had done, I had a WTH moment.
Neither Roosevelt nor Truman ever negotiated with our enemies. The only westerners who negotiated with Hitler were the Brits and the French and that worked out well, didn't it?
JFK did go to Vienna to meet Krushchev, without a pre-set agenda. We now know that it was that meeting that precipitated the Cuban Missile Crisis because Krushchev (falsely) concluded that JFK was naive and weak.
There is a middle ground between stonewalling and giving bragging rights to someone such as Ahmadinijad. It is perfectly possible to have cultural exchanges and the like without appearing to bestow the imprimateur of legitimacy on international crackpots.
Do we not all cringe when King Fahad (or whoever he is) comes to the White House? What does it say to the world if we invite Ahmadinjad over for tea?

mags:

Obama is from Kansas and he lived in Indonesia and Hawaii. He is not from San Francisco.

And he is not an "elite" like 109M-dollar Clinton - and McCain - who has married into untold fortunes.

The Clintons AND the McCains have been living in the elite bubble of Washington DC - where almost everyone is a millionaire - and most haven't pumped their own gas in years.

Is that really needed? Does this represent your candidate? Oh My

warre
you go f-ck yourself you shallow ass nitwit
you are a fu-king a-shole

you come here and post crap and say it's
ok for YOU to post sexist racist comments because YOu think they are funny and because YOU are so enlightened

Only people as f-cked up as you think they are funny

Prolife Judges?
McCain has already muddied up that water by saying he would have appointed Sandra Day OConnor (Reagan appointee) and a pro life vote on the Supreme Court

mags:

Obama is from Kansas and he lived in Indonesia and Hawaii. He is not from San Francisco.

And he is not an "elite" like 109M-dollar Clinton - and McCain - who has married into untold fortunes.

The Clintons AND the McCains have been living in the elite bubble of Washington DC - where almost everyone is a millionaire - and most haven't pumped their own gas in years.

No it does not represent my candidate. It represents me.

Warren: I was making a comment about his speech pattern, not his origins. He sounds like a west coaster. Period.
And, he is not "from" Kansas. He was born in Hawaii and lived either there or in Indonesia through most of his life. His mother was from Kansas.

Shelia, don't worry, you won't change me and come November I suspect LL, Flatus, Ping, Pong, nick, Wendy, tz, Buritto, NoGrughe Blonde, Jamie and of course Gordo and LL will be sayin the same things. (I didn’t mean to leave anyone out). Some of us secret Republicans might very well vote McCain, rather than forsake our Liberal/Centrist sensibilities.

Rationality has a certain consistency, yes? And it is amenable to reasonable persuasion Shelia. Try using that some times. Unfortunately, Warren, Nash, Brain, Rez, Anon and of course that wonderfully poetic Dexter have offered little refutation of the points the former group have made over and over.

To all, good morning. It has been interesting trying to convey ideas spontaneously to such a bright crowd. (Pats I must take a look at your work). That explains the absurd typos you all tolerate so calmly.

Though I am afraid I will break my record and reject what I see as a candidate who keeps friendships, mentors, supporters, advisors and ideologies too far a field for my Liberal sensibilities, I do so only as a temporary strategy of not rewarding bad behavior. I will not excuse a dangerous and immature reaction to Republican mismanagement which has already created substantial division and elevated the “NeoLIberals” as the controlling element of the Democratic Party.. Note that Shelia has refused to say whether she would ever have made the friends and associations, Obama has. What Obama supporter here would have such friends? What is wrong with Huffington asking what is wrong with Wright as she laments the Right is wrong? The woman represents a disturbing aspect with the Democratic House, just as dangerous as the Wright crowd. Perhaps that explains her question...

In Dexter's nasty words last night, I suppose his claim about McCain really not knowing the difference between Sunni and Shite is like saying Obama doesn't know how many States there are. Which is worse? And to wonder if McCain will really be civil in the GE as he calls McCain wife a term he would never use for Michelle is really quite revealing of the Obama crowd right down to the profound poetry of Ho Chi MInh. Yeah the cycle of life continues, but perhaps Dexter has forgotten the whole concept of our alleged progress? Or if such “progress” is a mere illusion, why care who wins the election Professor Dex? Like more reasonable question asked of Obamniacs, the silence is deafening.

Anyway, later boys and girls..

And thanks 9/11, viv, LL and Renee for your kind remarks....

P.S. ---9/11 I hope my Dear Brutus post made you laugh and the white horse can be of some help.

Gordo and other keep your knives sharp. Nothing ends on November no matter who wins. The truth is the final arbitor of policy, not ideology or faith. Informed public discourse is what our Founding Brothers had hoped would guide us.

And I ask you all to consider the dangerous folly (in light of the behavior of media,) the House version of the new Bill to advance new protections of the Freedom of the Press. It would protect only an exclusive group of partisan journalists and leave us people journalists, out in the cold. What's up with that Craig? Are you on the People's side or the media's side?

Patsi: I noted your earlier comment about Loretta Lynn and Crystal Gayle ... the family lived in Indiana during most of Crystal's childhood.
That's pretty common ... lots of Indiana families migrated via Kentucky. Even in the 60s when I taught school in Indiana, 1/2 my kids were born in Kentucky.

that is part of the "Hillbilly Highway" of which there are several songs written about.

yo soy Horsedooty!

NROFLAMO, do you feel better? Calm down, if people took to your line of rebutal, NOTHING intelligent would ever be posted here. You will a. not change Warren like that and b. you will only encourage more uncivil behaviior.

The test will come when Warren watches Lil Obambi. Perhaps he won't take to kindly when in one episode Larry Sinclair shows up to meet Barak in the Lincoln Bedroom with a crack pipe and condoms. Now isn't that as funny as Cheney ripping the heads off birds and sucking out their insides?

We certainly are in flux on the issue of humor. Obama supporters don't find truthful comments about Obama's mother funny, yet get a chuckle over some of the horrendous things thrown and Bill and Hillary.

I would give wide latitude for humor, except the bashing that in Frankin's general sense, serve only to harm and not enlighten. Well that is paraphrasing greatly.....