Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Hey! Good morning Trailmixers!

Hello all!

For Hillary to take the #2 spot would be a serious insult. She should stay in the Senate. If Obama pulls off a miracle and wins the general, the Senate won't even know he's gone.

Mike Barnicle -- Where are the Super Delegates? Don't see the legions jumping to Obama as his campaign said they would.

Craig,

I think the "dream ticket" would help unite the party, but I don't think it will happen. Also, I'm not convinced it would be a winner. Both still have high negatives, as we've seen here at C-list.

I hope Hillary comes back to my state and continues to work as an over-achieving senator. Meanwhile, Senators Obama and Clinton shared the debate stage with several qualified candidates only a few months ago. I hope he'll look among that group for his running mate.

Patsi -- I don't want to inflame anyone here, but I couldn't help thinking that there are interns on the Hill who have more Congressional experience than Obama has.

If Obama doesn't take Hillary as his running mate -- then he needs to look outside the circle of other DEM candidates. They were all Senators. He needs a Governor. The executive experience would balance his own inexperience. A plus if the governor is from a swing state that will bring voters to the DEM ticket.

Obama and Kerry supporters similar

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107110/Obamas-Support-Similar-Kerrys-2004.aspx

It's past the time when a dream ticket would work. She can go back to the Senate and do a wonderful job and he can go find someone else with the experience to help him do his.

Aside from Bo's obvious contempt when it comes to Clinton, why would she take the position even if offered? It would be signing up for the second coming of McGovern. Bo's going to be torn apart in the GE, you can almost hear them laughing on conservative talk radio now - he may not lose 49 states......but it's gonna be close. Dean, Brazille & Company are going to be riding the short bus after this.

Sorry! Need to revise my last comment -- I forgot about Richardson. He is a Governor -- but is we're gong on the "urn the page" and "Change, change change" then that would leave Bill R. out -- he's very much a DC insider. Maybe some personal issues that could come out in the GE.

Good Morning Alicia,

I still think both of them on the ticket, in theory, would force the best of the best to work together. They and all of their workers are aware of what is at stake and its the whole country. We are in huge trouble here and abroad.

But that said, if Senator Obama didn't get the Nom, I bet he's take VP. I'm not sure about Senator Clinton, but I wish she would.

If she didn't. The old classic say, if choose a govenor might be out. Considering that the Both senators would need an infusion of Military somewhere in the cabinet to help translate the war, The VEEP position might be the place.

Hagel isn't returning to the Senate. He could really unsettle the Republicans and do a heck of a lot of good on the ticket for both candidates.

Dem/Rep ticket, I always thought would be a great way to unify the country and smooth the way for real progress.

Just a theory.

Its interesting how Cable News has laid bare of the traiditions of the Race, that are not normally visible to the public eye,

Like this "Dance" between campaigns to get the rest of the campaign completed. Both campaigns are dealing over the lose ends and we are watching it in real time....

Interesting and yet, maybe not so good for the public's nerves.

Jamie -- At least Kerry had some military supporters. The military guys are all with Hillary now.

Good morning...

Sheila, my choice would be Lincoln Chafee as VP. He was the only Republican who voted against the MCA if 2006. I believe he was also against IIRC parts of Patriot Act and other bills that stripped away many of our Constitutional Rights.

I was truly sorry to see him lose since he is a moderate who worked across the aisle for the good of the country.

On the ticket he would bring many more Republicans to Obama that are dissatisfied with their party and deny McInsane a good many votes.

God Bless.

BH - or for the young ones ... The OC !
Hillary will eat crow and CHANGE to support BHO in the general but can not see her taking 2nd place (out of 2). BUT just as ROMNEY would be a great domestic choice so maybe could Hillary?

Patsi,

The one thing I do know clearly about you is your love and your loyalty to your party and your traditions.

Yesterday, I felt I had no right to put words in your mouth or I would have told the guy to leave you alone too.

You're one of the most commendable and loyal Democrats I know.

CHANGE Change everywhere the change...

Once again a sneak peak at BHO and his promise for Change...

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-fldelegate0908may09,0,1220839.story

Oh, Of course we will seat the Florida delegation at the party in Denver......

How gracious and sincere
(Funny how the word sincere starts off ! must be a latin thing)

Another reason to continue to question..
But the Rev Wright was right - he is just a darn good politician

"The military guys are all with Hillary now.'

Well they can just stay home with the "bitter old women" and have a good time while the Kerry crowd smoke their arugula as the bad news rolls in.

Good morning Sheila -- The war is not the most important issue anymore. A good DOD Sec would take care of translating the war. The economy is the biggest issue and will be for some time. A business person/governor is needed. I vote for Mark Warner -- I know he's running for Senate, but he's barely gotten that started . As veep his family can still live in Alexandria, which was the issue when he dropped out of the Presidential race. He's got the DLC in the palm of his hand, and many other chits out after giving lots of money to other candidates. Warner also has very good favorability with the NASCAR demographic -- having won SW VA handily as Governor -- he is beloved in that part of the state -- even used blue grass music in his ads. Mudcat taught him well. Mark also plays basketball very well so he and Barry could play together. I might actually campaign for an Obama/Warner ticket.

What a positive artivle Ping.

Thank you for linking it! That really made my day and makes me believe that Novemeber is looking good.

Chef Sheilia
You must not have read the comments - Not good for BHO.

For the weak minded that will not look for consistency I am sure the BHO can pull in voters (beyond the natural flock)

At some point BHO must be held accountable for positions, platforms with details and facts, and relate them to who the heck he really is and what impacts he might have. But to ask the MSM to be true journalist. Never happen as journalism is a lost profession.

OH my

But, but. but.....Alicia,

The War is running away with our economy now. True, WE made a mess with NAFTA and turning it into a Retail Mall economy, but NOW the war is definitely the Coup De Gras. We have to resolve this Black Hole of Funding now. This is all I was thinking.

.....Ping Pong,

Just not sure what you are saying? Maybe it the lack of coffee in my veins.

Or maybe i read the article and got something different than you. After all, I am sold on Obama and you are a Republican. like speaking a different language sometimes.

Jamie -- I think you're right that some of the military guys will be staying home with the BOWWs. Others will be grudgingly going for McCain.

One last comment,,, then back to my evil capitalistic, people should contribute to the fabric of soceity, what can you do for your community and country world.

What the heck are Nancy and Harry doing !! what a disgrace - What does BHO bring that would change this?
Scary Scary.....

Alicia,

After thinking about it, every issue has reached a zenith. Crisis....and so we are all right. Whatever issue is brought up is a crisis in my eyes.

So I bow to you too. It is the economy, but the war is running away with it too.

The comments that are posted to the article are calling out Obama for his changing now only for his personal gain. That this CHANGE to support Florida is only because it will not hurt him.
That this again reveals more about the true Obama then the poetic flow of false words that flow from his mouth.
That the Rev Wright was right, which upset Obama, when he correctly called him a politiician.

Obama does not truly care for Florida, if he did he would have taken a stronger stance sooner

I will go add this to the comments

How the Dems can win in November:
Hillary Clinton/Wesley Clark '08

Gag a maggot, Peggers is on misquoting Sen. Clinton again. She is disgusting.

I hope that HRC does not jump at the VP job. If she is not the nominee in 08 then let her go again in 12 when JM doesn't seek a second term. I would still rather have her in 08 instead of the empty suit.

We had a "Think Pink" night/day at work. We were asked to wear pink in honor of breast cancer awareness. So , I wore a pink shirt to work last night. Yes , Dexter, the Red Wings looked awesome again. I might write in the whole team as my candidate for President in November. Who cares if they're all from Sweden?! LOL! Has anybody ever tossed an octopus on inauguaration day?

Sheila: That time I was NOT stating my opinion -- just stating the polling on the most important issue. The WAR is important to me, with a beloved nephew who came back from the war a changed person and committed suicide, living in high military area where so many of my friends and neighbors are going through multiple deployments, with sons aged 18 and 14 who I am doing my best to keep away from recruiters.

However, to most people, the economy is the most important. Since you want links for proof:
http://www.pollingreport.com/prioriti.htm

....Ok Ping,

I think you need coffee too. I re-read the article. Its points were about seating the delgates for FLorida. Obama said, "By All Means Seat Florida". It talked about Obama speaking to Florida SD's and his campaign spokes person talking about how important and pivital Florida is.

I enjoyed it very much. There was no opinion injected in there and frankly, it was refreshing. Kudos to Orlando Sentinal. ;0)

But! I see your disatisfaction and understand now.

marco - I agree. If the DNC puts forth Kerry Part Deux Electric Boogaloo, I won't be voting Dem.

Hey, maybe it's time for a viable 3rd party!!! Clinton/Clark '08 The Smart Party

Jamie -- Peggy Noonan is very annoying. I am sooo tired of her. Bleh.

OH ALICIA!!!! What a nightmare. I am so sorry for you and your family!!!!

Obama thinks a pandering offer of vp will make up for all the lies and insults?

The tone of the Obama campaign to Clinton (and Edwards when he was still in the race) will prevent any Democratic Party unity.

The general election is not a caucus.

Alicia,

There are a whole slew of BOBW as well. They may vote for Obama in November, but they aren't happy with the way they have been treated by the men and kids either after a few centuries of trying to hold families together.

I would love to see some polling on those statistics. Unfortunately poll takers rarely break racial clusters into smaller groups.

The Presidential election is going to be held on my birthday , Nov. 4th. Perhaps I should form my own party and run as well. Maybe call it the "Birthday Party". All I need is a running mate. Any suggestions?

Corey -- I'll be on the ticket with you -- but do I have to run? I hate running.

corey........uma thurmond?

good morning gang.....

Craig..... I don't see Clinton taking on the role of VP.....
I agree with those that have already said she'll go back to the Senate and gear up for another run in 2012.....

Corey.... Dex....
I'm happy for your Red Wings..... I'd love to see an old time northern franchise take the Stanley Cup..... I can't get used to hockey in Texas and Florida..... what the hell were they thinkin' (besides $$$$).....

and of course...... both my beloved Red Sox and Celtics won last night!

It would have to be one hell of a deal if Clinton was to join Obama--a deal I don't think Obama would be willing to make. I just don't see him ceding policy making power, of any magnitude, to Mrs Clinton.

And I don't see Mrs Clinton wanting to join a failing administration and being put in a position of being a nay-sayer rather than a supportive, collaborative participant in good governance.

Corey....
you have the same birthday as my brother....
no wonder I feel so comfortable posting to you.....

the real issue of the "dream ticket" is that the people who are backing the obama move want nothing more than to bury hillary clinton.....they'd rather lose than have her in their game, because she knows too much.....there is no way they will allow hillary on the ticket in any fashion.......they only want her gone......

but of course.......she has not quit yet.

Yeah , the Sox beat up on the Tigers. I do somewhat enjoy seeing King James struggle against Boston. LOL!

Corey, what a great party you could have!

they might wind up making a great show of "offering" the VP to her........but the stipulations and conditions will be such that she could never accept......they do not want hillary around in any capacity......good of the party or not.

Thanks, Sheila. It was a very tough time for us. He joined the Army in 1999, did year-long tours in Bosnia in 2000 and Iraq in 2003-2004. When he came back from Iraq he was different, more withdrawn, we knew something was going on with him but he would not talk about it -- always insisting he was fine. In his last letters to us, we learned that he watched with a sense of despair as his friends and siblings were going to college moving on with their lives, and felt like an underachiever. He was about to be deployed again and didn't want to go which he thought was shameful. Plus he was having money problems - just minor ones really, but huge to a 27 year old who's depressed, and overwhelmed with constant "honor at all cost" messages, he made a decision that has changed us all forever.

How can BHO pick HRC as his VP when his battle cry has been from the very start, we need to change from the old ways of how government works, and has constantly been pointing to HRC as and example of that problem?

Alicia,

My son is home for 3 years after 3 tours in the Middle East. Two of his classmates were killed there. But I have not yet experienced tha horrible equation. I am so sorry and my prayers of comfort and new found joy will be with your family someday. Also comfort for the soul of your loved one.

Now playing at a theater near you: How i Fooled the American People..starring Barack Obama.MichelleObama..Oprah Winfrey..Jeremiah Wright..Keith Olbermann..Wolf Blitzer..Tim Russert

Clinton as veep? No way. As much as I want her to be the nominee, I admit I am feeling very discouraged today. I also just found out that my "day job" is cutting my workload so that I'll be bringing home about $40 less each week. It doesn't sound like much, but when you're a freelance writer and a single mom with a kid about to start college, every dime matters.

I will have to start putting more emphasis on earning with my blog. I don't want to seem tacky and put the link here, but anybody inclined to read it can find a link by clicking on my username here. Every little bit helps. The war rages and Sadr City is hellish, but for me, this day, the economy is the biggest issue.

mornin' all.

What jamie, patsi and ed said. ( I've only read the first few posts, so if anyone else said Hillary should stay in the senate, I agree with you, too. I'm thinking Richarrdson - it may be the only way Obama, should he win in '08, may be able to ensure that Richardson won't back his opponent in '12, although I do agree with Alicia that Warner would be a good choice - BO had not been able to attract Joe Sixpack, and Warner might help some there. And please don't forget us BOWM. (Just love these abbreviations).

More tirades from Obama supporters against Mrs. Clinton are not the answer — they will only further alienate her grass-roots supporters, many of whom feel that she received a raw deal.

Nor is it helpful to insult the groups that supported Mrs. Clinton, either by suggesting that racism was their only motivation or by minimizing their importance.

After the Pennsylvania primary, David Axelrod, Mr. Obama’s campaign manager, airily dismissed concerns about working-class whites, saying that they have “gone to the Republican nominee for many elections.” On Tuesday night, Donna Brazile, the Democratic strategist, declared that “we don’t have to just rely on white blue-collar voters and Hispanics.” That sort of thing has to stop.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/09/opinion/09krugman.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=Krugman&st=nyt&oref=slogin

Mary Kitt-Neel,

Talk about bringing the economy home here. Mary, have you put you blog up on the Blogroll here? Email Craig.

Go ahead and link here, people have been doing that for eons. You go girl!

Corey, if you can pull off strug's recommendation, I recommend runnning in your birthday suit.

Agree Emmy. And also with BlueINDallas. All done by MSNBC in the name of ratings and because of a personal grudge by Matthews and Russert. That's what really first got us turned off Obama. Upon closer inspection there's no substance, just an empty suit being pushed by people with their own agenda.

Mornin' Y'all!

BOWM, LOL! Pogo
Took about 5 minutes but then I got it!!!

Heading out in a couple of hours, I'll pack my camera Sheila.

Have a great day Guys!

Jenn
RWRHSMOF4BO

mary, craig posts links to 'mixers blogs above. can't imagine he'd exclude yours.

Jennbe!

Have a great time and get good pix.

Craig! You have fun too. I would love to be there just to meet Annon-P and JennBe, but would love to hear your stuff in person too.

Lynn C. I agree with you, only it's too late for that sort of thing to stop. Obama, Axelrod and Donna Brazile have already let us know how they really feel. Any "change" now is not "Change we can believe in". The Obama people are now creating their excuse for when he loses to MCCain and they can make it Hilary's fault.

"Donna Brazile, the Democratic strategist, declared that “we don’t have to just rely on white blue-collar voters and Hispanics.”

Every few seconds, the talking MSNBCOBAMA talking heads have been calling Sen. Clinton racist for saying such things.

When did analysis of voting patterns and quoting of same become racist?

Oh And I bet Ping Pong will be there too! Hope we see you in a picture too Ping!

Mary,

Just enter the link here with a request for Craig to put it in the blogroll. All of the regulars with blogs are there.

Obama can not win without Clinton. Clinton supporters are very emotionally now behind her. We will not vote for Obama without Hillary on the ticket. We will be voting for McCain. Mc Cain will win an electotial landslide. We will be voting for McCain. Mc Cain will win an electotial landslide. We will be voting for McCain. Mc Cain will win an electotial landslide. We will be voting for McCain. Mc Cain will win an electotial landslide.

Assuming Obama gets the nomination

The Krugman column lays it out. I think this is where Obama's lack of maturity (same for his supporters) have created some big problems.

This is not Stockholm and the general election is not a caucus.

Jamie,

I agree. This kind of tabloid spin does nothing for Obama either. Its a pain to see that people actually believe that the fodder dished up by the Media is what Obama or Clinton really believes and its just not true.

Harder still is watching Blogs bury candidates for the fun of it. Its just a feeding frenzy.

Happy to oblige, Jenn. Just sittin' here clinging to my ... , wait, my guns are in AL. I figure I'll be spending the next hour or 3 on yours - I've got the 1st 2 and last 3 - I'm wandering throught he intellectual desert with the rest.

Speaking of a feeding frenzy, Sheila, could there be anything more annoying than watching Mika and Peggy Noonan mugging for the cameras? Yuck.
As to Sen Clinton. As hard-working and earnest as she is, wonder how she'll enjoy the future as a perpetual junior Senator, with little chance even to become a committee chair. She has done diligent work on Armed Services, but military expertise is not the reason she went into public service.
As for Obama's VP pick, he might help himself a great deal by selecting Evan Bayh. He has tons of executive experience (Secy of State and Governor before he became Senator) is a centrist, a Hillary supporter, and his father is a long-time friend of the Kennedy family.

If you care about the future of the Democratic Party you don't want Hillary to be VP because, supposing BO should be in office for 8 years, she will be far too old to run.
The reason that both candidates are so tenacious is that each of them realizes that -- given the nature of the Democratic Party--and, in Hillary's case, her age...this is both the first shot and their best shot. Neither of them will get a second chance.

sturg - new toy arriving today.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Squier-Vintage-Modified-70s-Jazz-Bass?sku=519639

Jamie, reg. Brazille: “we don’t have to just rely on white blue-collar voters and Hispanics.” Exactly! Because of that attitude, Hillary shouldn't run with him because BO will very probably lose. There are a lot of high up democrats that have pushed Obama through, and don't think Hillary was part of the plan. She needs to try to get this, and if it's not in the cards, do her own thing.

Flatus: reg. I don't see Mrs Clinton wanting to join a failing administration. Ditto.

Marco I completely agree with your earlier post as do all of my family and friends. I am not interested in an Obama ticket or an Obama/Clinton ticket. By the way, whatever happened to Reverend Wright? He just conveniently disappeared again after he and Barry's recent theatrical performance. Obama is a classic phony.

Jamie, reg. Brazille: “we don’t have to just rely on white blue-collar voters and Hispanics.” Exactly! Because of that attitude, Hillary shouldn't run with him because BO will very probably lose. There are a lot of high up democrats that have pushed Obama through, and don't think Hillary was part of the plan. She needs to try to get this, and if it's not in the cards, do her own thing.

Flatus: reg. I don't see Mrs Clinton wanting to join a failing administration. Ditto.

From the previous thread:

Democratic Elitists And Their Role In Hijacking The Democratic Party!

"...You create your own candidate from a blank slate...

Howard Dean and his far-left, wealthy, and elitist backers, expected the Clinton Campaign to fold after Super Tuesday. Supported by elitist endorsements, media friendly coverage of Obama, and the disenfranchisement of millions of Democratic voters nationwide, the elitist far-left has clearly shown that this election is not about working class America but rather about power."

http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/05/new-american-disenfranchisement.html

nogrudge: Assuming that Sen Obama can win the Presidency (although not with my help), let's not wish for another "failing administration." We've had quite enough of that. Although I do fear that he has no real grasp of the need for fiscal prudence, one presumes that he will listen to advisors.

oh, and jenn, I'm not religious, either. Now what else am I supposed to be clinging to? I forget.

Mel7 - not all of us. I'm loyal to my cnadidate as long as she is one, then I'm loyal to the party even if she's not. To my way of thinking, there are issues larger than my pride or misgivings about Obama at stake here.

Pogo......very nize......may I suggest the best bass speaker made to go with it?

http://acmebass.com/

Gordo, reg. far-left, wealthy, and elitist backers.
Thanks for linking that article. Very enlightening. I've thought all along this election was rigged somehow, but couldn't put together the pieces. Always thought Howard Dean gave his data base from his failed run to Obama (among a lot of advice).
All part of a bigger picture, including way to much money, etc.
Great link!

That will go on the short list. Have to laugh - I'm too cheap to go with the fender (plus I'm nothing more than a home noodler). Interesting cabs - if LP continues to do stuff with his "band" he's going to need a real amp, and I really like the bass amp with guitar combo - shoot me an e-mail at larry dot chafin at steptoe hyphen johnson dot com. I'd like to elicit some info from you but don't want to bore the regulars.

I wasn't Impressed with Mika this morning. She displayed a rookie stance in her interviews.

I AM however always fascinated by Peggy Noonan's interviews. She has proven a good eye for what is in the minds of the republicans. About 99% of the time, whatever comes out of Noonan's mouth, so goes the Republican Parrty.

Not interested: When the subject of Rev Wright first came up, I did a lot of research about him, TUCC, Black Liberation Theology, etc. Among the statements attributed to Rev Wright, I particularly remember one where he claimed "We groomed him for years for this" (I have no idea who the we is) and that "We [meaning Wright and Obama] have discussed that at some time he would have to publicly distance himself from me.
I fear that the whole thing with the recent performance was Wright egging his student on to make the break he knew he would have to make.
And BTW, for anyone who is interested as an historical fact, African-American men always "had the vote" in most of the country...even during slavery 10% of the AA population were free, and men of property could vote. Not saying it was made easy for them, but technically all free men (of whatever color) of property could vote in the US long before any woman ever cast a vote.

Barack would be in serious trouble if he took that horrible woman as a running mate. If they got elected she would sabotage him in a very sneaky way every step of the way. SHE IS UNFIT FOR ANY PUBLIC OFFICE!!!!!

Every time I find myself starting to warm slightly to Sen Obama, one of his supporters or talking heads does or says something so incredibly rude or stupid that I find myself bearing my teeth and hissing NEVER!!

If he does get the nomination, and if he then loses, it will be all those chanting, booing, screeching acolytes worshiping at the shrine and burning candles at their lord and master's feet.

HILLARY CLINTON CRIMES

(1) Took a $100,000 bribe, camouflaged as futures trades,
from Tyson Foods Inc.

(2) Speculated in Health Care industry futures while overseeing
legislative reform of same.

(3) Failed to correct false testimony by co-defendant Ira
Magaziner in Health Care trial.

(4) Obstructed justice by ordering the shredding of Vince
Foster's documents in the Rose Law Firm.

(5) Ordered members of the Health Care Task Force to shred
documents that were the target of a court probe.

(6) Ordered the removal of documents from Vince Foster's office.

(7) Told aides to lie about their removal of documents from
Foster's office

(8) Obstructed justice by keeping her billing records, a document
sought under subpoena, in the White House residence.

(9) Lied to investigators about her knowledge about billing
records.

(10) Lied to investigators about her involvement in the Castle
Grande land flip con.

(11) Ordered the use of the FBI to discredit Travel Office
employees.

(12) Lied to investigators about her involvement in the firing of
Travel Office Employees.

Pogo, your party is not your party anymore. It's been hijacked by the left wing. In their arrogance they have been saying that we would all come back, but we won't.

Sheila: I think that both Mika and Peggy are intelligent and ambitious women. What I object to with both of them is their manner. That type of kittenish, head tossing, posing for effect type of thing just gets on my last nerve. Playing to the men in the crowd ... that's kind of why I like the women on CNN. I give CNN a whole lot of credit for putting people on air who know that they are news persons, not 'personalities'.

maggisd,
I'm definitely not wishing for another failed administration.
Just cutting, pasting, agreeing with Flatus post.

It's No Crime...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbYlH2K5VCo

Mika and Peggy are always flirting with the camera.

"Just not sure what you are saying? Maybe it the lack of coffee in my veins.
Or maybe i read the article and got something different than you. After all, I am sold on Obama and you are a Republican. like speaking a different language sometimes."

Sheila -- what I think Ping Pong is doing is exactly what the media has done and will do: bury Hillary first, then start digging Obama's grave.

Posted by: Jamie | May 9, 2008 9:16 AM

Posted by: Skylark | May 9, 2008 9:17 AM

How nice of Skylark to prove your point.
Skylark is a concern troll.

Agreed Maggisd ;0) About Mika and the rest of the MSNBC Kittens

But Noonan is another matter. She has earned her reputation as a sharp strategist and a brilliant speech writer. She's worth the listen, even if she displays republican female mannerisms. ;0)

Skylark do you know how to spell troll? Hint, it has 2 ells.

maggie, I don't think for a second that lining up committee appointments wouldn't be part of the deal for her to concede and wonk with some diligence to get Obama elected in Nov.

While I do not intend to leave the Democratic Party, I have no qualms about voting for Sen McCain, given that the Congress will be overwhelmingly Democratic. I think McCain can and will work with them and, in cases where he won't, they can over-ride him. Divided government is not always a bad thing. I am more of a centrist than a lot of the Congressional Dems. I think HRC would have checked them, but I don't think Obama will...
I am particularly troubled by what I think Obama's foreign policy may look like.

nogrudge ----------------------

That article is a real eye-opener! It's the most important piece I've read in a very long time. Just came across it by chance.

Pogo, sounds like you're getting a great instrument. The first review, where the fellow let a pro play it, reminded me of a friend back in Las Vegas back in '70.

He and I were really into building flying model airplanes--the desert is a really good place to fly them.

He spent a couple of hundred hours building a magnificent radio controlled model. Of course, he had no experience flying such things so he looked at the group of folks who were flying RCs and picked-out who he thought was the most competent.

When Hugh asked him if he would try his model for him, the guy happily obliged.

He did a fine take-off, gained altitude, then nose-dived into the ground. The airplane was a total loss.

Hugh was philosophical about the episode. He tore what was left apart and removed the electronic and mechanical parts that he thought he might be able to salvage and then set a match to the rest.

Alicia -- Very, very sorry about your nephew. He must have felt he had no alternatives. I have a close friend whose son came home from Iraq badly wounded, and he's still trying to get decent treatment. His parents work round the clock keeping his spirits up. Just awful.

Agreed Patsi, I definately that we have a free for all here right now. But everyone has the right to their opinions on a public place.

just DIGGING through all the fodder is hard. ;0)

Pogo: I certainly hope that she can at least get some committee assignments more suited to her concerns and interests.
All this talk about Senate Majority Leader is balderdash...the person standing right behind Sen Reid is Dick Durbin, Senior Senator from Illinois who was apparently the first person to urge Obama to run. And, Chris Dodd also wants that position....he went after it when Daschle left and came within a few votes of winning the post.
Let's face it, when it comes to the Senate, the old white guys still rule the roost.

maggisd: reg. the old white guys still rule the roost.
That's not only when it comes to the senate.

I see that all the "hard working white people" in the Klinton Klub are here today.

I don't think she should be VP. I think she should be tossed out of the party for being a damn racist. (And all of her followers, too.)

The GOP wants you people. Go. You'll be happier there.

Patsi, Sheila: I think the next most important thing for Sen Obama will be his choice of VP. While it sounds great for Sen Clinton and Pres Clinton to say they will campaign for Sen Obama, if and when, I don't think either of them want to be booed by a bunch of Obama voters.
BTW, did you all get what Sen Edwards and Mika were talking about this a.m. with the endorsements? I just knew he and Elizabeth were supporting different candidates and that's why he hasn't endorsed.

Given the nasty and divisive comments of the BHO supporters concerning HRC...why bother? I am beginning to agree with the likes of Marco that the dem party has changed. I have not heard one thing from BHO that appeals to me. He still appears to cocky to me.

I had posted a few days ago about wanting a dream team, but after reading the psuedo polls from the talking heads...I am discouraged. I used to think John Edwards would be able to unite the party, but after listening to wooden boy, John Kerry, I no longer want to be that kind of democrat.

Posted by: nash | May 9, 2008 9:38 AM

Hop on your ride is here

make that "too cocky"

nogrudge: You got that right in one, about the old white guys ruling the roost.

nash: So it's your contention that if someone supports Hillary that person must be a racist?

I still don't get the anger here.

"your party is not your party anymore. It's been hijacked by the left wing. In their arrogance they have been saying that we would all come back, but we won't. "

Unfortunately, The Republicans have been hijacked by their far rights and the Democrats have been hijacked by their far left. Those of us of more moderate inclinations no longer really have a party. The difference is that his time, the Democrats had two candidates: One that represented the middle and one that represented the left.

The media did everything but grovel and slobber over Sen. Obama and only started to even out the coverage when the writer's strike ended and the comedians started holding the obvious hero worship up to ridicule. It still hasn't been really balanced.

The real problem is where does the middle go ... has everyone learned how to count chads just in case and do you really trust Diebold?

Klinton plays the race card, again.

"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/08/clinton-obama-not-winning_n_100763.html

Nash: I voted for Rev Jackson in 84 and 88. I suppose I had some hidden racist agenda?

This is why I'm an independent.

Sturg, the only thing I play is music recorded by others. But, you're right about the bass speaker.

Here, I have a 15-inch Kurzweil SW. It's exceptionally smooth and produces sound that you can feel in the furniture. I've literally have had pictures come off the wall when I was taking it out for exercise.

Wish I had the talent to place something. I'm not even allowed to try because I promised Mr Canfield, our junior high band teacher back in 9th grade that if he would pass me, I would never touch another instrument. We had a deal that made both of us happy.

That was back during the days before polio vaccines. One summer he lost all five of his children to that horrific disease.

And, now, we have the mental health crisis resulting from the protracted deployments with our service members experiencing and witnessing incredible mayhem.

Alicia, you and your family have my heartfelt condolences.

Jamie...I think the middle just goes down the drain. I'll meet you at the sink!

I still don't get the anger here.

Posted by: Corey | May 9, 2008 9:42 AM

We will see the forest thru the trees in the next few months.......cover your head in the mean time. ;0)

Did anybody notice how fast McCain reacted to something Obama's said in his interview with CNN yesterday. Rommney jumped on it too. Just wait this is only the beginning. Maybe he does need Hillary on the ticket. Since the media loves to bash her they can continue to do this and he can continue to have the free ride. Also when they do start on him she can jump in and reflect it to her by getting all the attention. I am not sure if he can handle all the trash that is going to come his way. He had trouble with the Wright issue, Ayers has not picked up steam yet but it's right around the corner. Maybe Wright will start up again, he is scheduled to preach in Philly at the end of the month.

This is what Obama will be up against where I live in Michigan. Look at these numbers from the last two Presidential elections. I live in Ottawa County.

http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/politicalInfo.php?locIndex=22050

Jamie, reg. where does the middle go?
I guess we become Independents. Then the Democrats will have to move to the center to rebuild it's base in the future.
It's really hard, being a democrat for over 40yrs., to have to
be disheartened like this. But we'll deal with it.

maggisd: Clinton had 75% of blacks supporting her when she began her campaign. But when Obama began to win, she began to use race as a weapon against him.

I don't think that most of Clinton's supporters were racists at the beginning of her campaign, but those who still stand with her today? Yes. They are racists.

If you are comfortable with a candidate who uses race to win an election, then that makes you a racist, too.

Jamie: You are quite correct. Where does the middle go? My family has never voted anything but Democratic -- ever. I am regarded as something of an oddball because I voted for Gerald Ford in 1976. But now I see my Party just running away from me. I don't blame Florida for Al Gore's loss...I blame the left wing of the Democratic Party, that 5% who voted for Nader and who now blog in the Huffington Post. I still have my Kerry bumpersticker on my car, although I think he was a piss-poor candidate. When I listen to some of the House Dems talking, I wonder what happened to my party. It's gotten pretty bad when Barney Frank is sounding like a centrist.

Since race is a factor in this race no matter if we like it or not, what the ratio in MI?

Jamie and Wino,

I thought the middle was winning this time because ALL of the candidates are paying attention to us now.

I think nothing worth winning is ever won easily. So shimmy up to the bar and keep fighting.

If its just Clinton that you wanted, I am sorry.

I AM Fighting for our Nation. As drivelly as that sounds, I am.
Whoever is the Democratic Candidate will get my heartfelt support and my phyiscal presence in the campaign.

And just to put this into perspective, If the DEMS were the boogey men, I'd have voted republican. But for all you McCain people, I can't in all conscience vote for a party that allowed such evil to be created for nothing more than greed.

{{{Covering my head}}}

Apparently white people hold a grudge for a long time: ever since Democrats pushed for African-American voting rights and integration, most whites haven't voted for a Democratic presidential candidate for over 40 years, even as the racial animus got translated into a cleaned-up anti-govenment, anti-crime, anti-tax message.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/art-levine/will-obama-win-enough-whi_b_100890.html

If you are comfortable with a candidate who uses race to win an election, then that makes you a racist, too.

Posted by: nash | May 9, 2008 9:49 AM

I suggest you read the Krugman article in today's NYTimes

Based on the actions of the Obama campaign, you are a racist.

Nash , you use the same argument all the time. It gets less effective each time.

What I find funny is that if you speak about race in this campaign you are labeled a racist. I'm talking race in terms of winning or losing. 25% of the democratic base is African American. They have always been loyal to the democratic party. They are the reason for Obama's big wins in North Carolina and most of the Southern States where they account for more than 30% of the democratic votes. We know he will pick them up in the fall. He also does better with young people, but we also know those are the most unreliable of voters. Hillary on the other hand attracts older voters, the most reliable, Women, the largest block of voters, and Reagan Democrats, the truly swing voters. So now it looks like it will be Obama against McCain. McCain is popular with white working class voters, he can draw independents, and he'll draw all the republicans who realize that Obama has been named the most liberal senator in Washington. Latinos also like McCain because he has a compassionate view on immigration. Obama will probably pick Richardson to be his VP and that will further alienate Clinton voters to either not vote or switch over to McCain. So balance it out, if Obama is the nominee the democrats are gonna lose again. So because of the media's witch hunt, we democrats are going to lose an election that should be a sure thing. They went after Hillary from the very beginning. The attacks were mostly personal and relentless, but they kept it up and didn't touch Obama until Rev. Wright. Even then, they played him as the poor fellow who was betrayed by his pastor. While Hillary was being called a pimp, he was being called a prophet. Chris Matthews, Jack Cafferty, Tucker Carlson, Eugene Robinson, Keith Olberman, Mika Brzezinski to name just a few have ridiculed her and called it journalism. Now we unrealistically believe that because we want to win, we will win. We tell the candidate with the best chance of winning to sit back and watch us lose. Tsk, tsk, democrats, we're shooting ourselves in the foot again.

I always thought racism began with labeling. There has been plenty of labeling and lumping together in this campaign -- on all sides, republican and democrat. Most of it derogatory.

Well, nash, no one can accuse you of tempering your comments. LOL You've become a characature of yourself.

marco, sometimes feels that way.

Flatus, sturg - we need to find an offline spot to chat music. (I'm sure I'm the novice here).

By Nash..."..I don't think she should be VP. I think she should be tossed out of the party for being a damn racist. (And all of her followers, too.)"

You are so corredt !!!!!!

CNNMoney.com
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Thursday May 8, 11:42 am ET
By David Goldman, CNNMoney.com staff writer

Democratic Senators are working to combat rising oil and fuel prices by attacking what many Americans see as the heart of the problem: speculative trading.
Many politicians and energy industry analysts blame oil speculators for cashing in on the fuel cost crisis and, in the process, boosting the price of oil. Hedge funds, trusts, and independent investors have also poured funds into crude oil as a hedge against the weakened dollar
http://biz.yahoo.com/cnnm/080508/050808_senate_gas_prices.html?.v=1

With Kenny boy dead, maybe the Enron loophole can be closed,

Corey, reg. we're shooting ourselves in the foot again.
I agree with everything you said so much, I could have written it.
It's so frustrating that this campaign has chosen to call everything Racism. I think it's done to incite fear. That way we'll be afraid to say anything negative about Obama's team or we'll be called racist. I have never seen anything like it.

KCinNJ

If BHO picks Richardson, he can have him...I no longer want him as my governor. And RIchardson will not have any electorial strength in the GE. His numbers were so bad in primaries -- I think about ten people voted for him. Gosh...I can't think of a worse choice for VP.

Skylark, Do you really think Obama can when without ANY of Hillary's supporters?

During the '96 election , I was basically told by people close to me "How could you even consider voting for Bill Clinton again?" Then in 2004 someone at work said to us , "When you vote tomorrow , make sure you do the right thing." I took that as "Make sure you vote for President Bush." I believe a person should vote for whoever they want to vote for and not feel pressured to vote for a candidate just because people tell them this is who they should vote for. I guess there was always a reason for my Dad keeping who he voted for to himself.

It's almost 10 now and only a few more superdelegates have made up their mind, if Obama is the nominee then why are they holding out. I can't believe they are just being nice to Hillary and let this play out.

Also if I lived in WVA or KY and I was a BHO supporter I would be upset that he already gave up on winning the state. I was angry at Hillary when she went onto the next state the night of the VA primary. But at least she did not say to us that she already loss she gave her allgive up a week before the election. I know they do this if they think they lost but I felt we were nothing to her.

Skylark, Do you really think Obama can win the election without ANY of Hillary's supporters?

I think it is people like Skylark that make the majority of loyal, lifelong dems really feel the way we do. Don't worry Skylark, you don't have to toss us out...many of us will go willingly. And Sheila...it is not HRC...I have wanted a dream ticket all along...it is the nasty nature of poeple like Skylark. Party hijackers.

Craig, I have to agree with you! If I could be rational for a moment, I would say that that would be a great ticket and President Clinton could lend his experience as a knowledgeable advisor. But I am just too emotional having recently become an Obamacan! I would like to see him make his very on VP pick and he can choose one who will be helpful in those states where he needs help.

KCinNJ: Quite an insightful post.

If it's over as they say it is then the Supers should be flocking to him by now. Not just a few of them. What are they waiting for. If they all agree this is hurting the party then this does not make any sense. They could end it in the next few hrs. If they don't what message are they sending. I just can't beleive Hillary would just throw her money away if she does not have a chance at this. Going to three states yesterday, why bother killing yourself over nothing. No one in their right mind would do that even her. There has to be something going on in the back rooms that we don't know about.

FryDaddy, reg. I wouldn't loose any sleep if she was elected POTUS. Most of the Super delegates decide together how and when they are going to vote. I think it's all precisely planned (not without exception, of course). Have you noticed how the Sentate and House always know exactly how many are going to vote one way or another well ahead of time. They report on TV how the vote will go BEFORE it's even taken. They agreed to the outcome of this primary already. This ihas been much more planned and slanted all along than we can imagine.

I don't think Obama/Clinton would work at all. Not after this hard fought and bitter election.

Have you noticed how MSM tends to not report SD pick-ups by Hillary?

"U.S. Rep. Heath Shuler pledged his support to Sen. Hillary Clinton after she won in his Western North Carolina district."

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/7/165516/6045

Not so Blind Fry,

I got one eye on you! ;0) Have a great day and I hope the meeting was fruitful last night.

mel7...

And Hillary can not win with the AA vote. It was the AA vote that put Bill in office twice. With it Bill would not have won.

Remember mel7 that works both ways. So go ahead and vote for McInsane if that's what you want to do. And good luck with President McInsane as your new leader.

That is if we have elections in November.

God Bless.

For what it is worth, the Republican party is holding their primary in New Mexico on June 3rd.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/NM-R.phtml

For me, it will be interesting to see the turnout.

If Obama picks Richardson it will totally confirm that he is just another politician repaying a political favor. (Those favors started in Iowa, BTW, when Richardson released his delegates to Obama before most of the caucus sites had even finished the initial poll).
Richardson talks a good game, but we're supposed to be electing a team that can govern this country. If Obama truly wants to mend fences with the Clinton supporters he will pick someone such as Bayh, or Mike Easley, or even Ed Rendell.

vadaryl, reg. What are they waiting f
Howard Dean said a while back that this must "appear" to be fair to both candidates. (He actually said appear, not just be fair to both). They're afraid if they rush things, Hillary's supporters will think she was treated unfairly and desert the Party. Regardless of what others think, they need everyone to win this General Election. So they're making it appear that it's fair, when in reality the outcome has already been planned.

President of Northern Cheyenne Tribe in Montana Endorses Hillary Clinton for President

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=7583

Anon , we might not have elections in November? How come?

Skylark isn't a Democrat and Nash is a racist.

Sky is simply a Clinton hater. No real Democrat would try to destroy a Democratic administration's record.

Nash is a racist because he believes blacks are so inferior that a white woman must not run a serious campaign against one, and that talking about voting patterns is racist IF you speak of white voting patterns. I've heard dozens of O-people talk about how he's got the AA vote in a lock. But if anyone reverses that -- other than the media -- and speculates about why the white working class isn't voting for him, they are racist.

Nash is one of those people who really believe that affirmative action is necessary because blacks can't really compete intellectually, not because they've been given a raw deal all these years. That's the bottom line on Nash's thinking.

Blond Wino,

Why let her get your goat and win the day. there are trolls on this blog that slander Obama and its pretty bad, but I know you and jamie, and Patsi. Maggisd, Lynn C.....Pogo, I could go on...

My Point is, I know you guys are making your case and I am trying hard to NOT make this against CLinton or you.

Don't let skylark the Obamatroll do the same thing that the Clintrolls are trying to do here.

Lets dig through the fodder. Lets win.

maggisd...

Have you done the same research on Paisley and Hagee? And if so would you please tell all of those who say they will vote for McInsane why there bigotry and hatred is embraced by McInsane.

Or our theres alright and should not bother all us White folk?

Also why not post some of your research on them as well like your posting on Rev. Wright.

God Bless.

nogrudge: Remember how many times Obama has said that he could win Hillary's supporters but she couldn't win his? That always irritated me. And the way Michelle has never been able to say that she would support Hillary if it came to that. Despite what everyone has accused her of, Hillary has always said that she would work her heart out for the nominee and the party would come together. That USA Today interview was the first time she ever even hinted that her base might not support Sen Obama and even then she was quoting an AP story...and you could tell she didn't feel comfortable about it once she started speaking.
In any case, I don't like being taken for granted. I will not live long enough to see another viable woman candidate for President. Mostly I resent Sen Obama because he could have waited, particularly given his age and inexperience.

Corey: It's not "hard fought and bitter." It's WAY beyond that. Lines have been crossed. This is WAR!

On Mojo this AM they were talking about Ted Kennedy and Jimmy Carter in 1980 and how Kennedy would not drop out and took the fight to the convention. The Dems lost in 1980.

Klinton is going to do the same thing. If she can't get the nomination (and she won't) then she'll take the party down with her. If that's OK with you, then it's OK with me.

This too will pass.

Sheila...as a chef, you know the finest ingredients make the best dishes. All this sourness is a bit too much for may appetite, however. (I know, quit stewing!)

Sheila,

The meeting lasted 2 1/2 hours. And I was elected President lol, and Secretary. There is going to be some changes made around here, now there is a new sheriff in town. Change and Hope.

Pogo, everything I have said about BHO has already been written, the problem is the MSM treats it as a 1 time event and lets move on. Well I need to get ready for a meeting, you know like lets do lunch.

A side note. Gun sales are increasing.

"Some people confuse passion for rage." - Rosie O'Donnell on The Today Show earlier this week.

What is war good for , Nash?

Patsi: It's time to end this farce and split the Democratic party into its two incompatible parts: the "progressive democrats" and the "hard-working white people's party."

It will be chaos at the Democratic convention. Just because Rush Limbaugh wants it, doesn't mean it's a bad idea.

Wino,

I like you lol

Corey: Oil.

Maggisd: reg. Mostly I resent Sen Obama
Yes, I do remember those things Obama and his wife said about Hillary. Also, they said she couldn't be trusted and that she'd do anything to win. Oh, and Bill is a racist. Don't forget that one. Oh and they don't need the white working class or the hispanics. If this is the politics of change, then it is time to turn the page(as Obama always say) They call Hillary divisive and always use divisiveness to get their point across. As pogo said earlier, This too shall pass.

Corey...What is war good for? "absolutely nothin" except Blackwater.

To all Obamabots and trolls ...

PHOOEY!!!

So there.

anon: As I posted a while ago, I have met McCain and know one or two old "flyboys" who are friends of his. That does make a difference. There is no other Republican for whom I would vote.
McCain is quite cynically doing what he has to do to get votes from the Republican base. It ain't pretty, but it's politics. I pretty much think that Obama's attitude to his church is about the same...it's a place he went in order to make himself part of the community.
But, the thing is that almost every political choice we make is a compromise. Pres Clinton was not my candidate originally but I think he worked out pretty well. If I had my druthers, the first viable woman candidate would not have been someone who rode her husband's coat-tails for so long, but, hey -- we take what we can get.
I just think that candidates who proclaim they are going to change the system or either hopelessly naive, or lying...maybe even to themselves.

I don't care about defeating McCain any more.

I just want to see both Clintons destroyed, hounded from public life, forced to move into a condo with OJ Simpson to do a reality TV show.

(Of course, I could just be exaggerating for humorous effect).

The parents of the Blackwater founder Erik Prince originally owned the place I work for , BW. His Father died before I started working there. His mother sold the company in 1996. He used his inheritance from his Father's death to start Blackwater. His parents were hugely respected here in Holland. They did a lot for this city when they lived here. Don't know how people feel about him , though.

Fry, I know they've been said and glossed over - have complained for months about biased coverage of the two campaigns. If I ever see I'm coming to SC, I'll let you know - as they say, some of my best friends are - republicans.

Sheila...I believe you and I are like the dems of old...we can differ, but embrace each other as dems. These new fighters don't seem to like the "kiss and make-up" of my old, romantic heart. It appears they want to divorce us...really abandon us this time. Who need us when the newer model is there? Just in time for Mother's Day, too! We really shoud be honoring the godess in us all, not this crap!

Pogo: You couldn't be more right about Jesse Jackson. I think everyone who so praises Sen Obama's oratory (I heard on the radio that he has 20 speech writers...could this be true?) must never have heard Rev Jackson in his heyday.
And, y'know what, I'm really angry at the Obama supporters for their reaction to Pres Clinton's remarks about Jesse winning SC ... as if they all thought Rev Jackson was nothing. If not for him, Sen Obama would not have the proportional delegate advantage that helped him so much.

I think they should give the Clintons season tickets to the NY Knicks and force them to go to every Knicks game. If that doesn't break their spirit , nothing will!

I know you Clintonites like to hold your hands to your heart and protest when accused of using race to divide. Now even your own supporters are saying Billary is doing it.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/09/999566.aspx

Regarding Blackwater and Erik Prince ... we are fighting him tooth and nail here in San Diego. He is trying to set up a "training academy" at the border. We suspect he means to set his mercenaries up as an alternative to the Border Patrol .... even in conservative inland southern Cal they're meeting huge opposition.

I didn't get to go to the 1968 Democratic convention when Chicago police beat and tear gassed the anti-war demonstrators, and anyone else who got in their way.
(My parents wouldn't let me go.)

But this year, when the cars are getting overturned and burned, and Obama and Clinton supporters are going after each other with baseball bats and broken bottles, I'm going to be there. (It's not Woodstock, but it will do.)

Corey...that is interesting about Blackwater, but the crusader army is another thing.

Gordo: reg. MSM tends to not report SD pick-ups by Hillary?
They make a big deal out of his endorsements, and you rarely even hear about hers. Thank goodness for your links.

And Hillary can not win with the AA vote. It was the AA vote that put Bill in office twice. With it Bill would not have won.

Should have read "And Hillary can not win without the AA vote. It was the AA vote that put Bill in office twice. Without it Bill would not have won.

God Bless.

"the "progressive democrats" and the "hard-working white people's party."

Nash....you don't seem to fit in either branch.

Need to catch up with your comments, but my dream team would be

OBAMA/WEBB.

Jim Webb would bring a LOT to the ticket and has done very well with SW Virginia voters, who face a lot of economic turmoil and less opportunities than those in Northern VA and other areas with more vigorous economies.

Hillary is a superb senator, would make a great president or Chief Executive of the Ford Foundation or Gates Foundation or whatever she chooses, and would be a good Supreme Court justice (although maybe for a second opening, depending on Senate composition post-election; why put her up as opportunity for GOP to rally their base and hand a new Dem president a first Supreme Court defeat?)

TGIF; happy Friday to all.

Craig: hope you have an excellent book appearance tonight; wish we could all be there!

"(Of course, I could just be exaggerating for humorous effect)."

I suppose you could say that, Nash. Only problem is, you're not a humorist. I see you as just a bigoted, unhappy man.

The people in the faculty lounge must be truly happy when school is out for the summer.

I have thought about this long and hard. My willingness to vote -- or not vote -- for Obama might be determined by his conduct going forward.
Let's see who he picks for VP. Let's see if he allows MI and FL delegations to be seated as is (won't cost him the nomination). Let's see if he asks Hillary to campaign for him or speak at the convention. Let's see if he can bring himself to say one kind word about the millions of people whose hopes were dashed ... it's difficult being the last adult persons (aside from native Americans living on reservations) to be allowed to vote and not to feel it when your last best hope of breaking the glass ceiling is destroyed.

nash, reg. Obama and Clinton supporters are going after each other with baseball bats and broken bottles.
Thought that's what they were already doing here.

Corey...

War in Iran and Fearless Leader declaring Martial Law when the people revolt against it and take to the streets.

God Bless.

Pogo, I might be wrong on yours- I'll have to think about it on my drive. Good luck on mine!!! : )

Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | May 9, 2008 10:55 AM

Not a single Clinton supporter was quoted
You can post but you cannot read or comprehend

You cannot win with 1/3 of the Democratic Party.
See you at President McCain parties

Erik Prince's family was so well-liked in Holland for all the good they did here. They were great people to work for. I mean , they ordered us food on every Friday night/Saturday we worked. We got donuts every Friday night/Saturday we worked as well. Plant-wide cookouts , bonuses etc..When his Mom sold the company we all received checks from them after the sale. The people who were fully vested in our retirement plan , saw their retirement jump something like 118%. His parents cared about people. I don't know if he feels the same way.

I was surprised at these national poll numbers. Obama did not gain anything coming out of his so called big win in NC.

Electoral Votes:

Hillary 280 McCain 258

McCain 273 Obama 254 Tied 11

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May09.html

maggisd, reg. last best hope of breaking the glass ceiling is destroyed.
She hasn't lost yet. Like I hear on Fox, something could happen, something none of us anticipate. That really is why
Hillary's still fighting. Don't give up yet.

I hope Obama picks Gary Hart. Perfectly matched.

Obama/Hart08

Corey: I have read a few articles about Erik Prince. He sounds to be very extreme right wing type. He may be a nice person and a good employee but he seems quite extreme in his outlook.

Nash, Nogrudge: Old white folks don't typically engage in riots that I'm aware of. One or two of us might show up and stage a walker-thon or throw our heating pads at someone.

maggisd

HRC was taking on Blackwater in her speech of March 17th, when cable networks cut off the feed of her speech. On our border, the Mexican Army is now stationed in Juarez and Palomas. Drug crime has so escalated in the past couple of months. The US, of course, has had the national guard assisting the Border Patrol for some time. Interesting troop build-up on both sides. And perhaps, Blackwater senses the change in Iraq and needs a new venue for its army. Under GWB, we have funded this parallel army and I guess they feel we should continue to support them. Perhaps the next war will be with Mexico? Maybe that is "why" Richardson grew his beard? Makes him look like a freedom fighter!

I find it ironic that Obama is always talking about Unity and new politics, when all we really see from his supporters is rejection and hate. Is this their idea of bringing America together?
Alienate anyone who doesn't agree with you?

After turning on MSNBO this morning and hearing Mika and a bunch of other bobble heads call Hillary a racist again - I think I'm going with Patsi on this one - I don't want to see Hillary booking passage on the Titanic. Let the con man sink or swim on his own.

She's used her position in the Senate to really help people on a very real level - even O'Reilly admitted she's done a good job for New York - others have talked about getting individual help from her with health care issues etc. I think she's more beneficial in the Senate - she can take another shot at it in 2012.

Blonde: 13 murders of police in TJ in recent weeks and just yesterday the head of the National Police was murdered.
I am actually pro-immigrant and for amnesty and a guest worker program. I grew up in SoCal and Hispanics are part of the fabric of our life here -- but things are getting really scary. Big drug bust here at SDSU--hundreds of students and some sort of tie in to the Mexican drug cartel. Scary stuff.

Clinton's strategy, for the rest of the long, hot summer.

"White people will not vote for a _____ ."

(Select term that's appropriate for the particular audience.)

Maggi, reg. Old white folks don't typically engage in riots that I'm aware of.. I was only responding metaphorically to the riot I see here on this site at times.

Then there's also vetoing help for home owners who are losing their homes, the price of OIL, the price of GAS and all the rest that the Nazi Republicans have given us over the last 7 1/2 years.

And if he takes us into another War the whole middle east will go up in flames and than we will see Nuclear Bombs used.

At that time Russia and China will step in and support Iran so Martial Law will have to be enacted to prevent another Revolutionary War here at home.

We might also see Blackwater patrolling our streets as they did in NOLA.

Just a few more examples of why there may not be elections.

Going to go put my tinfoil hat back on now and go back to work.

God Bless.

Maggisd....it is escalating. And although I may not seriously think about the troop build-up on the border, imagine if the same thing were happening with Canada? It used to be a care-free border, but it has changed dramatically since the beginning of the year.

Wendy. love your rename: MSNBO. I've been wondering what the call it besides the Obama channel. Agree with your take on Hillary. She'll know what is right.

I give up! What's the answer , Nash?

Nogrudge, I suppose the last big one was the veterans' march on Washington. Well, that wasn't really a riot, but a mass of WW-I vets demanding what they had been promised by the government.

They were beaten down by Gen MacArthur who was just following orders (enthusiastically).

the answer is blowin' in the wind........

Wendy: I don't think she'll try again. Not since Adlai Stevenson has a Dem candidate made a second run at the Presidency and come anywhere close. The Dems are always looking for the next new thing to make everything better. It's a funny thing -- the GOP doesn't like government and the Dems don't like politicians.
I think that the reason she is fighting so hard is that she knows this is her only chance. If Obama wins, she can't run against him. If McCain wins, at age 65 she will hardly be the fresh new face the Dems will want. That's what's really so sad....Obama had time enough and to spare. I know it's unkind but I have always felt that the "fierce urgency of now" might have had more to do with him getting bored than anything else.

Patsi you are brilliant.

Flatus: The way he handled those riots was one of the reasons Eisenhower had so much contempt for McArthur.

Interesting bit from that MSNBC first read column

"Movie mogul and Hillary Rodham Clinton backer Harvey Weinstein told House Speaker Nancy Pelosi he would stop fund-raising for Democrats if she refused to support new primary elections in Florida and Michigan, it was reported yesterday.”

If he keeps his word that is several million dollars the party might have wanted for the GE. Seems the BOWW, BOBW, and BOWM can add a BOWJM to their number. : )

Maggi at 11:03: good and thoughtful post

A few comments: I think Obama will do most of the things you are waiting to see: he will make a very good VP selection, as his shot at the White House depends on it (as most presidential nominees find). Am sure he will welcome Hillary and Bill and any of their surrogates and supporters in the general election campaign.

I don't personally think Hillary would be the best VP choice; do think she will make an incredible contribution no matter what she chooses to do in future -- remain in Senate or take on a new challenge.

Florida and Michigan delegations will be seated -- in some fashion (no crystal ball there!); I shall put up the lead NYTimes editorial addressing that issue next.

If you have not heard a kind word to the millions of Hillary supporters, listen in. He's been building bridges to Hillary supporters for a long time now.

Last, Hillary's candidacy was not a good test of breaking the glass ceiling because she is too closely affiliated with the preceeding administration (which I admired and still do) at a time Americans are seeking change and are concerned about dynastical politics (I hear this a LOT).

I think you are going to see another viable woman presidential candidate -- hopefully a Democrat -- sooner than you think.

Back in the 1970s, the (hard working white) Irish of South Boston violently opposed "busing" to achieve racial integration of the Boston Public Schools. During one day of demonstrations, a couple of punks sucker-punched a (hard working white) Boston Police officer, then ran into a bar, a notorious hangout for local thugs. The cops sent in their (equally notorious) "Tactical Patrol Force" with their helmets, shields, and 3-foot billy clubs, and "cleaned the place out."

(Once it starts, a race war can get "complicated.")

Flatus, reg. the last big one.
I've got to learn to make myself more clear.
I seem to be misinterpreted often. My fault.

Gotta go do some yardwork peeps ...

Happy Mother's Day, all!

Off to work!

You can't read or comprehend...LOL

The New York Daily News: “Hillary Clinton misplays race card while Barack Obama is treated like rock star.” “[S]ome of her supporters -- including Rep. Charles Rangel (D-Manhattan) -- slammed the comments. ‘I can't believe Sen. Clinton would say anything that dumb,’ Rangel told The News as he headed to the House floor, where earlier he had embraced Obama.

From the Suffrage Scrapbook, for the Mothers:

http://memory.loc.gov/master/rbc/rbcmil/scrp5002002/001.jpg

"I have always felt that the "fierce urgency of now" might have had more to do with him getting bored than anything else."

Maggisd - the truth is never unkind -

It's always been about achieving his own political ambition. I'd love for anyone to step forward and talking about how Obama has really helped them in any real substantive way. Well I take that back - the poor folks in his district living w/o heat will remind us all that he helped Tony Rezko in a real substantive way by getting him a lot of dough to fix up their slums...which he never did. So...OK...I take it back Tony Rezko might be able to talk about how Obama helped HIM in a real substantive way.

At any rate - it's all about him and not about a true dedication to public service.

Flatus: I'm for the progressive candidate who wants to get beyond racism.

You are supporting a vile racist who will do anything to win, and will work to help McCain, if she can't. And you think I'm the bad guy?

I think that's pretty damn funny, don't you?

Lead editorial in NY Times today:

Sen. Clinton and the Campaign

There is a lot of talk that Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is now fated to lose the Democratic nomination and should pull out of the race. We believe it is her right to stay in the fight and challenge Senator Barack Obama as long as she has the desire and the means to do so. That is the essence of the democratic process.

But we believe just as strongly that Mrs. Clinton will be making a terrible mistake — for herself, her party and for the nation — if she continues to press her candidacy through negative campaigning with disturbing racial undertones. We believe it would also be a terrible mistake if she launches a fight over the disqualified delegations from Florida and Michigan.

The United States needs a clean break from eight catastrophic years of George W. Bush. And so far, Senator John McCain is shaping up as Bush the Sequel ...

In addition to abandoning the attack ads, Mrs. Clinton must drop her plans to fight to seat the delegations from Florida and Michigan, which defied the Democratic Party and moved up the dates of their primaries. A lot of people voted in Florida anyway, but Mrs. Clinton should not pursue this nuclear option. It would make the Democrats look unable to control their own, just when they want to make a case that they can lead the entire nation.

Both candidates have been vowing in the last two days to unite the party, and Mr. Obama could do more to rein in his anonymous campaign aides and other supporters who spend their days trashing Mrs. Clinton.

The undeclared superdelegates should stop their coy posing. With few exceptions, there is no reason left (other than the hope of making back-room deals) for those whose states have voted to keep their positions private. The rest should state their allegiance as soon as their primaries are held in the next few weeks.

....

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/09/opinion/09fri1.html

PS: Please note: the NYTimes endorsed Sen. Clinton.

Nogrudge, 'twas my fault--I was in fact responding to Maggi's comment. I'm just too old, stupid and white to be able to figure out who the author of something is. :)

" think you are going to see another viable woman presidential candidate -- hopefully a Democrat -- "

The Obama crowd would probably back Claire McCaskill and we would have to hide all the Dalmatian Puppies.

dog: TY for your post. I agree with much of what you say. Unfortunately for me, should another viable female candidate turn up it will not be in my lifetime. I think often of Shirley Chism who said that in her life she had found sexism a far greater barrier to her than skin color.
This is all just too bad and so sad. None of this had / has to do with skin color for me. My opposition to Obama is / was initially just my support for Hillary. But ... and this is big one for me, I would have been far more comfortable with someone with a less exotic background. The very background that so many of his supporters find appealing I find troubling ... I want a candidate who gets that Wm Ayers is not just a college professor. (And I know about the commutations / pardons...those were people who had served their time and expressed repentance. And gets it that the President of the US should not sit down with Ahmadinijad on an equal footing.
If Barack Obama were Harold Ford Jr I'd like him a whole lot better.

vadaryl...

Party nominees are not chosen by electoral vote. I do not know why anyone would even think that.

When you have as many candidates running at the start of a campaign the electoral vote ends up misleading by the end because of those who drop out and do not reflect the true numbers if there were only two candidates in each party running for the nomination.

God Bless.

There's too much "bitterness" here. I'm going to go hang out with some progressives.

You Klinton people just keep clinging to your fundamentalist religion and your guns. (Just try not to get the lubricating oil all over your Sunday clothes.)

Jamie: What does that mean about Sen McCaskill and the dalmatian puppies? Is there something wrong with Sen McCaskill other than that she continually states that Missouri went "big" for Sen Obama when, in fact, it was a virtual tie.

Maggi: shall not keep you from your yard work (off the hook for that here since it's steadily raining in Virginia), but shall look forward to discussing your points later.

And glad to find a fellow Gerald Ford 1976 voter! Have always been proud of supporting him and think he was a good man and underappreciated president.

So welcome. (Have been off the blog because traveling frequently lately.)

nogrudge...

"I find it ironic that Obama is always talking about Unity and new politics, when all we really see from his supporters is rejection and hate. Is this their idea of bringing America together?
Alienate anyone who doesn't agree with you?"

Us Obama supporters see the same thing from the Hillary supporters.

God Bless.

Thanks Flatus.
I was worried I was speaking in some kind of code or something that I didn't get. I don't want to offend others.

For winners the Obamabots sure are bitter and defensive

Thanks dog. Finally going to shut it down and go out into the May grey and get that yard work done. Had to have a beautiful old tree cut down yesterday (complaining neighbors) and there's lots to do to set things back to rights.

"You are supporting a vile racist who will do anything to win, and will work to help McCain, if she can't. And you think I'm the bad guy?"

ROFL. Nash, I know so many lily whites like you. The second you start to talk to a black, you change your entire personality and tone. And don't think they don't know when it happens.

anon-paranoid
Thanks.
It's hard to see that from this side, but I'll take you at your word.

At least you're consistent Patsi. You spout racist sentiment 24 hours a day.

I would suggest any and all Obama supporters ignore the mean or snarky remarks today; attribute them to disappointment and let them go.

Better to find points of common concern and address those and use the Crawford ignore button liberally (or conservatively, as you prefer!)

Perhaps the Clinton campaign should create the most hard-hitting (vicious) anti-Obama ads they can think of and show them to the SDs. They would be an example of what Repub 527s would do to Obama. Of course, this would leak out and that's OK. The people behind Obama need to be stopped. If that requires "exploding" the Dem Party, I'm for it 100%.

"You spout racist sentiment 24 hours a day."

Print some of it, Bye Bye.....

Maggi,

McCaskill just reminds me of Cruella Deville ... all smiles and sugar on top and a deeply viscious streak beneath. Every time she is on TV, she never fails to shove a knife into Sen. Clinton in some way, usually by mischaractrizing. something Sen. Clinton said or did.

Orginally, I had phrased it as looking as if she were bagging kittens for a swift trip to the river.

I would imagine that McCain supporters/Republicans would enjoy reading the threads here.

Jamie, reg. McCaskill just reminds me of Cruella Deville ... all smiles and sugar on top and a deeply viscious streak beneath. Every time she is on TV, she never fails to shove a knife into Sen. Clinton in some way.

Can't stand her either. So nice to know someone else has the same take.

Letter from Congressional Members supporting Sen. Clinton

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/09/1000299.aspx

dog hussein dog -------------------

The NYT is and has always been very anti-Clintons. The endorsement was to give the NYT cover so it's unending criticism would have more impact.

WAR??!!!!

this ain't no stinkin' war....... it's JIHAD!!!!!

yah, yah, yah,yah,yah, yah,yah.......

com' on everyone get your burkas on..... let's all do the jihad cha cha.....

reg. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/09/1000299.aspx
the msnbc Congression letter supporting Clinton.
Great to see. They even have a signature from my state, Texas.
I'm so proud. Someone on the Hill still cares.

Hello Renee: You can order your burka on-line:
http://www.alhannah.com/niqab.html

I don't think that most of Clinton's supporters were racists at the beginning of her campaign, but those who still stand with her today? Yes. They are racists.

If you are comfortable with a candidate who uses race to win an election, then that makes you a racist, too.

Posted by: nash | May 9, 2008 9:49 AM

I think we all (black, white and brown) need to take note of this sentiment and be concerned. Is this what they will say about us every time we disagree? Is this how they will quash dissent? If we don't want to drink the Kool-Aid is this how we're going to be labeled?

New Obama theme song:

It doesn't take a weatherman to know which way the wind blows (Dylan) ...

Nash, knows a racist when he see one. How about 99% of Maine?

The Census Bureau estimated the number of blacks in Maine in 2005 at 13,456, or 1 percent of the population.

http://morningsentinel.mainetoday.com/news/local/3000077.shtml

reg. nash "If you are comfortable with a candidate who uses race to win an election, then that makes you a racist, too."

Are you talking about Obama supporters?

Let me say something NICE about Hillary:

I understand what happened to her. She really DID have the inside track on the nomination, but her campaign made several strategic errors. (I'll leave it to the pundits to analyze what they were.) Now the nomination slipping away from her, forever. She'll never get another shot. She's not getting enough sleep. She's making bad judgments. It happens to all of us.

She's not a bad person. It's just a bad situation.

reg: nash her campaign made several strategic errors.
It's a bad situation for her, but look how happy it's made you.

Musical interlude:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11Xd-Iq2tN0

This may come as a surprise to some people, but there will be an election in November. To read some blogs, you would think that Barack Obama's almost certain victory over Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination means Obama advances straight to the White House. In case they did not know, it does not work that way.

One blogger says that it is silly to discuss Obama's failure to connect with white working class voters because:

Demographic and socio-economic differences between the two states,* plus the effects of Clinton’s ugly “kitchen sink” campaign, are not considered. [*For example, 31.7 percent of Virginians have college degrees, while 23.4 percent of North Carolinians have college degrees. Obama tends to do better among college-educated voters.]
I am curious if the blogger expects those voters without college degrees to suddenly get them by November and thus solve Obama's problem here. But I especially wonder if the blogger expects that Republicans will not campaign against Barack Obama. Or if they do, whether their campaign will be so much nicer than the Clinton campaign.

The reality based community? Not so much. Not anymore.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/8/11261/26079

Alicia Knight...

I'm so sorry to read about your beloved nephew. I wish you and all of your family peace, though I know that won't be an easy feeling to attain for awhile.

One of my beloved nephews is due back from Iraq by the end of this month. Each day is an exercise in worry, prayers that he'll make it through these last few weeks, and the hope that he'll come home intact...both physically and emotionally.

Again, I'm sorry. My thoughts are with you.

"Just think , right now , all over the world there are probably people exercising bad judgement. Somebody , right this minute , is probably making the mistake of his life." -George Carlin

"If you are comfortable with a candidate who uses race to win an election, then that makes you a racist, too."

Yes, Nash, I agree. That's why, after seeing what took place here in South Carolina, I absolutely cannot support Mr Obama.

Now, if he wants to say that the tactics used here were of Mr Axelrod's design and implementation, then I'll reevaluate my stand.

Obama’s Illegal Tricks at Work in Oregon [Updated, with North Carolina Experience]

"What does this really mean in the greater scheme of things? That Barack Obama has CULTivated a cadre of volunteers nationwide to not only make sure he wins but also to use any means necessary to do so. (To wit: Gary, Indiana, Texas caucuses, and on and on."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/obamas-illegal-tricks-at-work-in-oregon/

I don't know Nash.....

if I order my burka online..... it means I have to go to the post office to pick it up..... and we all know what a dangerous place that can be......

BTW.... I wanna blue one..... what color are you ordering?

yah, yah,yah, yah, yah, yah........ Allah is watchin' you.....

From HuffPo: Clinton's #1 strategic mistake...

As aides looked over the campaign calendar, chief strategist Mark Penn confidently predicted that an early win in California would put her over the top because she would pick up all the state's 370 delegates. It sounded smart, but as every high school civics student now knows, Penn was wrong: Democrats, unlike the Republicans, apportion their delegates according to vote totals, rather than allowing any state to award them winner-take-all. And yet the strategy remained the same, with the campaign making its bet on big-state victories.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/08/mark-penn-reportedly-dumb_n_100809.html

Renee: You shameless hussy! Burkas ONLY come in (modest) black.

Q: What do Taliban college students do on spring break?

A: They go to "wet burka" contests.

I agree with the comments made earlier that Obama is mistaken if he thinks "we" will come back in the general election. I am astounded that the DNC and some superdelegates have virtually ignored the red flags being thrown up since the Oh, PA, TX, and IN primaries. He is losing the white vote by substantial margins and this % is actually growing. Do they even suspect how poorly their pejorative remarks are resonating. I guess not.. So this long time Democrat will gladly write-in Hillary Clinton in Nov. because I believe she is the best candidate to be elected President.

Darn it, I shouldn't let myself get behind in my reading. This was in yesterday's Journal:

"My analysis of individual state polls shows that today Mr. McCain would win 241 Electoral College votes to Mr. Obama's 217, with 80 votes in toss-up states where neither candidate has more than a 3% lead. Ironically, Mrs. Clinton now leads Mr. McCain with 251 electoral votes to his 203 with 84 in toss-up states. This is the first time she's led Mr. McCain since I began tracking state-by-state results in early March."

The full piece is here:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121020471141475293.html?mod=todays_us_opinion

Flatus,
Stop bringing facts and documentation with reason to this blog !! ~)

The hell with it. I'll just quit and write another damn book. Tentative title, "I can't believe how badly I screwed this thing up."
-HRC (living on potato chips and coffee.)

Flatus,
Stop bringing facts and documentation with reason to this blog !! ~)

Warning,,, Sometimes you get what you asked for, Are Dems sure they know what they are getting....

And on this blog, I can say what it is like to be a minority !!!

Flatus, reg. Clinton now leads Mr. McCain with 251 electoral votes to his 203
thanks for delivering the good news.
I missed that too!

Burkas

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=picture+of+blue+burka&um=1&ie=UTF-8

ohhh was that supposed to be another joke

But Flatus, that was Karl Rove!

A thought...

I could take my laptop tonight and host a live link to the crawford main event.... Public LIbrary should have good wireless.....

"Rahm Emanuel declares Obama the presumptive nominee!"

And I declare myself:

Flatus
Prefect for Life of Central South Carolina

PingPong, please do!
It may be my only way to catch him "almost" live.

If Rahm Emanuel declares anything, it must be true!

nash, reg. The hell with it. I'll just quit and write another damn book. Tentative title, "I can't believe how badly I screwed this thing up." DON'T BE SO HARD ON YOURSELF

jeejee, Indeed it was. If nothing else, he's a brilliant anaIyst. Don't know how I missed him--yes I do, I didn't read the last three days' papers until after I got through with this morning's chores.

Huffington was nn Colbert last night and made a complete idiot out of herself. And I do mean complete from first sentence to the last. Even the Liberal Colbert could not keep from making fun of her. She does respresent a large number of nutrooters that support Obama. The absurdity of what she was spewing is exactly the reason why Obama will hit a wall come November. Huffington asked "What is wrong with Wright?" before Colbert cut her off. What is wrong with Wright? And her book is called "What is wrong with the Right". What a complete ass. The Left is already swift-boating McCain with stories he was never tortured and actually supported the Viet Cong. I guess we know who fired the first shots in the coming ugly war.

For whatever HRC flaws were, the disingenuous and NeoLiberal crap flying forth from the Obama Side will inevitably force many Moderate Liberals to the McCain camp. The idea that Hillary is now making racist claims after what Jason told us of Obama pressure in NC, is BS. Obama has been playing race for months.

Huffington said McCain is too old. She said that Bush's brain has been transplanted into McCain's head. Were it not that she represents many who support Obama, I would laugh at her comments. Already, Hizb'Allah, Putin, Belarus and others anticipate a continuing pull back by the US and a Democratic/Obama win. Burma, Sudan, Somalia and other places will continue to deteriorate.

Fry does add some realism here and by November, we will understand the stark differences between the Right and Left. Does Obama want to include all the illegals in universal healthcare? How much is he planning to cut defense? What will he do as the Gucci Government in Pakistan does nothing to thwart militants? What will he do as Hizb'Allah threatens to topple the government of Lebanon and launch a conflict towards Israel? What will he do as Iran speeds up enrichment? What will he do as Ouds continues to supply weapons and networks to Hizb"Allah, Iraqi militias, Sudan and Hugo?
What will he do in the face of Chinese obstruction in Tibet, Burma, and the Sudan?

If his history, record, mentors, friends and supporters are a fair indication, the Democrats will show us how they can out-do Bush in the battle of incompetency. With Carter, Fonda, Zbig, Teddy, Meeks, Moss, and others cheering for Obama, how could anyone's New Democratic conscience not be profoundly bothered?

If I were HRC, I would not be VP. I would move to center and consider a role in the next Republican administration or await her next turn after the Obama administration is booted out of office after a four year term that makes Carter seem like Reagan.

I'm reading "Team of Rivals" in small doses (book actually requires not only thinking, but engenders desire to research side lines).

If you think it is bad now, think about when there were Democrats, Whigs (both conscience and regular), Free Soil, Republicans, and the liberty party. Top it all off that their was no direct public voting for President. Add in issues such as slavery, expansion of slavery, complete abolition, and all the hard feelings coming out of the Spanish American war and what to do about all those new territories.

We are all so well behaved, no one has stalked, found, and shot anyone despite numerous temptations.

“Pulp Nomination”
A screenplay by Quentin Tarantino

Uma Thurmon as Hillary Clinton
“Now I wanna dance, I wanna win. I want that trophy, so dance good.”

Bruce Willis as Bill Clintom
“Honey, since I left you, this has been without a doubt the single weirdest fucking day of my life."

Samuel L. Jackson as Barak Obama
“And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.”

Maxtrue, reg. your post at 1:26
yes. I never thought I would look at this from the Republican side, but MSNBC and CNN have made me resort to Fox,
And in doing so, I found they really are "fair and balance" next to
Obama channels. The "working class" needs her. America needs her. And she'll make the right choices.

Andrea is going to play that clip of Clinton quoting the AP article every five minutes and saying that she said it rather than quoting it ... How can they Andrea even dare to face a camera and claim to be a reporter rather than a propagandist.

Flatus, everything that Obama has done or not done will "come back to roost". He is not the Carter-like NeoLiberal Viet Nam Syndrome we need at this moment in time. Obama/Pelosi will dig us into a deeper hole instead of reforming policy as Democrats advocated in 2004. We will see a full tilt towards the Left as though half the country didn't count.

I want to thank the NeolIberals for breaking my lifelong streak. If anyone thinks that all former Democratic Presidents except Carter would be happy with Obama, they are not the prefessed "smarties" they claim to be.

As an example, who would you rather side with?

Anon or Frydaddy?

If you hesitate, you aren't a moderate Liberal, but entirely new species that may have their day to lead us further into the abyss.

Good luck with that....

The played the part of Hil'ry ref'g the AP when they played it on MoJo. Mika probably had them edit it out after they ran it this morning. The point is, Hil'ry does have a broader base than BO or McCain; the majority of us are neither ultra-conservativer nor ultra-liberal.

Reality Check....
thanks for showing all those pretty blue burkas..... blue is my favorite color....

Nash..... good news.....
I just found out that the Burkas R Us store in downtown Nashua NH is running a Mother's Day special...... buy 4 and get the 5th one for free.....
so let's pool our resources and get a couple of free ones...... afterall..... gettin' somethin' for free is a Yankee way of life....

I think he's an evil genius, and if he came out tomorrow and confessed the entire truth about the Bush administration, I wouldn't believe him, because he's such a liar.

She is following orders.

The names on this letter, have they already announced if they selected Hillary. Is there a list of superdelegates that have made up their minds.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/09/1000299.aspx

Nogrudge, I hear ya. Vote McCain and Democrat for the rest. Perhaps divided government is far better than Obama/Pelosi. Can you believe that CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, The NYT, WAPO, now make FOX look fair and balanced? And even FOX is being pressured to shut up about Wright...LOL

The Tribune in Illiinois prints false statements concerning AYERS and refuses to correct them, saying they are studying the matter. The Weathermen, never hurt or killed anyone? This is the same media group that wants the House version of the new Freedom of the Press protections we all should enjoy as Americans. Craig, you still haven't said which version you favor, the Senate version or the House? How long will it take to decide?

We have witnessed what has happened to media in this country. As the media has moved to the Left, FOX has moved towards center. I still find much there that bothers me like Morris and company, but compared to the deliberate filtering and twisting of news by the Liberal dominated media, FOX often present facts that are otherwise ignored by Liberal media in an effort to help NeoLiberalism win. They even refused to pan around the stadium in NC when Obama was giving his speech to observe the empty hall. Perhaps this would cast an impression of Obama's empty suit and media wants none of that.

Renee: Can you just imagine what would happen if you tried to board an aircraft wearing a burka?

You'd end up in Guantanamo with Harold and Kumar.

RR

Is that the new store right next to Alec's shoes? I want to get one for my mother, my wife, sister and daughter. Heck if I get them all the same color, I won't be able to tell them apart. Maybe they can put numbers on them like they do for sports teams.

jeejee Being sentient, we're able to weight every bit of information we receive. Although I want to agree with your opinion of Rove, I'm disinclined to dismiss his analyses out of hand.

And, if I had to choose between Rove and that other marvelous operative, Dick Morris, Rove would be my choice hands down.

If McCain does become President...

Memorable quotes from...
"Bill and Barak: Escape from Guantanamo"

Bill: Dude.

Barak: Dude.

max, Do you think an Obama/Pelosi ticket is possible?
She's sure been working the house and media on his behalf.
Yes, and Dick Morris is the downside of Fox. When he's on, I tune out.

I think Morning Joe must have misplaced the inter-office memo from Timmy, saying we're all on the Obama bandwagon (for now).

reg flatus : And, if I had to choose between Rove and that other marvelous operative, Dick Morris, Rove would be my choice hands down.

The thing about Rove is how analytical he is. His hard to reject his analysis of anything without first giving it some thought. And I usually agree with him Don't need to like him to do that.

Jamie said: "We are all so well behaved, no one has stalked, found, and shot anyone despite numerous temptations."

But, Jamie, it's obvious that Nash is thinking along those lines.....the true personality emerges:

Nash: "Until then, would you like a broken bottle, or a baseball bat? (We can't rely on my gun collection, because I'm pretending to be a liberal these days.) "

jeejee reg. I think Morning Joe must have misplaced the inter-office memo from Timmy, saying we're all on the Obama bandwagon (for now).
Missed it. Did someone not side with Obama?

http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/05/09/news/local/21-hilaryfan.txt

Bill's in Montana and Senator Clinton has been there too.

What if the order of the primaries were reveresed?

Two things could affect the Obama vote at the Democratic primary June 3. Montana does not have a strong population of young upwardly mobile, highly educated voters in comparison to the number of blue-collar and older voters most likely to support Clinton. Obama does very well with young voters, Lopach said, but spring semester at the state colleges will be long over when the primary arrives. Young energetic supporters will be harder to gather and mobilize. Many will have left the state.

I think MoJo is siding with McCain, he's just doing a better job of hiding his bias than the rest of them.

I can't believe we are starting to switch over to the FOX network. Never thought this day would ever come. I get my daily political fix from Hannity. I must be losing it. I don't like it when he get's on the stop such and such express but otherwise I don't believe I am going to say this but I, I, I, enjo..... no can't say it.

nogrudge...

"max, Do you think an Obama/Pelosi ticket is possible?
She's sure been working the house and media on his behalf."

If Pelosi wanted the VP she wouldn't have to get it as a nominee. In fact if Pelosi had any ambition she would have started Impeachment hearings against both Der Fuhrer Bush and the Dark Lord Dick Heinrich Himmler Cheney.

She would than have become the first Women President of the United States.

My self I like Obama/Chafee as a ticket.

God Bless.

No, Grudge, I mean Obama administration coupled with Pelosi/Reid in the Senate. Obama will be under fire if he wins a very close election. Many bloggers already anticipate this means Pelosi will have alot of sway with Obama. It is quite likely they could start to get through agendas that do not represent the center and completely ignore half the country. Remember, Obama has said if elected he would break Reopublican opposition like "breaking open the doors of segregation". How this wasn't playing race from day one is beyond my white uneducated mind.

Media/ Obama/ Pelosi-Dean-Reid is a sure ticket to show Republicans how Liberals can out-mess up our national interest. A vote for McCain isn't a vote for Republicans as much as it is a vote for centrism and national self-interest. Don't let Obamniacs call you a traitor or a Republican. It was the Obama camp that betrayed moderate Liberal sensibilities is what has become the most hypocritical campaign in decades.
Just tell Obamniacs that if Obama's mom was conservative, you're still a Neoliberal....LOL

I got my usual emails asking for money from the dnc, etc this morning, deleted them all. if they steal this election from Hillary they will never get another cent from me! and i mean that from the bottom of my toes to the top of my head. in 2004 the media picked our candidate, i thought voters would have learned their lesson.
now i'm gonna go change my shoes, change my sheets and change my clothes.
AT LEAST I KNOW WHAT I AM GOING TO CHANGE!

Dear Fellow Clinton Supporters,

I'm home for an early lunch and then back to campaigning for Hillary.

My advice is that you ignore the 2 or 3 Obama nuts who constantly post hatred on the blog.

Concentrate on the reasonable posters. Let the others flail about alone in their dingy apartments with cans of Spaghetti-O's strewn about.

Have a good day.

Maxtrue...

I must compliment both you and GORDO,

You have both learned and mastered the Karl Rove Playbook extremely well.

God Bless

To our keepers of the facts Anon and Nash,

We released a detainee from Gitmo and he went to Syria and then to Northern Iraq where he blew himself and seven other up while injuring many.

Maybe he did that because we detained him, yes?

Have friggin clue, please.

Anon, I am so sick of listening to you degrade the historical record of what happened to the Jews with your Bullshit comparison of Bush and Cheney to the Nazis. You really make me ill because I hate to pull the kill switch on anyone. You you have a clue as to how completely nauseating you are with your one-track crap you post? You only insult Jews and show how little you understand of history and contemporay politics.

Where's my barf bag.....

The last poll I saw in Oregon was obama 51 Hillary 39 done on May 1, have you seen any changes in that. What makes that area go for him?

To our keepers of the facts Anon and Nash,

We released a detainee from Gitmo and he went to Syria and then to Northern Iraq where he blew himself and seven other up while injuring many.

Maybe he did that because we detained him, yes?

Have friggin clue, please.

Anon, I am so sick of listening to you degrade the historical record of what happened to the Jews with your Bullshit comparison of Bush and Cheney to the Nazis. You really make me ill because I hate to pull the kill switch on anyone. Do you have a clue as to how completely nauseating you are with your one-track crap you post? You only insult Jews and show how little you understand of history and contemporay politics.

Where's my barf bag.....

Maxtrue...

Yep, your a true Republican. You had to drag Obama's mother into your slimy sleazy comment. Spoken like a true piece of garbage that you have shown yourself to be at last.

I wonder if Donna B. will still quit the democratic party if the super delegates decide this race in Obama's favor. I think she thinks we forgot what she said months ago. now it's OK for them to decide it. (given she feels he doesn't need hispanics and other Clinton supporters) Word to Obama -remember the great job she did for Gore.

BO wont need Rove to take him down, he is good at self implosion.

If this race continues at least pass Tuesday I wonder if CNN folks will try to push Donna B to reveal her decision during the results of WVA. It might be the most exciting part of their coverage that night. Otherwise it will be hrs of them discussing when and how Hillary should quit.

Listening to the media today, I don't know whether to beg for an emetic or an enema. I certainly get the feelingsomething is getting shoved down my throat. When did Obama get the magic number to be the nominee?

The two most recent polls are the one just cited and the 6 pt. KATU poll.

He is popular in Portland (central city) , Eugene, etc..

Hillary does well in outlying parts of Portland and the vast small town part of the state. The press gives his edge to a larger than normal upscale community in metro area..don't know how accurate that is.

We will see..Both candidates are here today in Portland. Hillary did rally in southern Oregon yesterday and goes back to Ashland Sun. morn..
The time being put in here suggests a close race.

I would say he has the edge still, but remember, she usually closes well.

Vadaryl-It's no mystery who she supports.

Max, so you don't think pelosi is even interested in being vp?
Or it's just keeping her power and persuasion in the house?

anon-paranoid: don't forge Obama didn't mind dragging his own grandmother into this. Don't think anyone meant any disrespect.

You're an ass anon. You have been posting garbage from day one. Obama brought his mother into it by touting her as conservative to win over white conservative voters. Got that anon, was that too hard to follow. Obama used his mother to pander to a crowd he felt he was losing. So don't tell me I BORIGHT UP OBAMA'S MOTHER. Obama did on more than one disingenupus moment.

As for me being a Republican, bullshit. But I would side with Frydaddy over your brilliance in a heartbeat. At least Frydaddy is sane with little indication he has forgotten to take his medication. Stop insulting Jews with your pathetic Nazis comparisons. You are clueless.

I'm a piece of garbage? Maybe I'm really a Nazis, racist, baby killing peice of garbag you moron. My parrot had more tricks than you. But enough...I will evoke the kill switch. Time is too precious to waste on a person who has shown zero incilnation to learn anything, just cut and paste the same rubbish day in and day out in a cintinual insult to what really happened to the Jews and the real evil that the Third Reich represented. You anon, are in need of professional help.

You would think the media guys know that they may have only 3 more weeks of the good ratings left until they can pick back up again in August during the convention. Why would they want this to end. I just don't get it. What's it in for them to lose those three weeks. If they had their way this would of ended a few months ago. Don't they want to make $$$$$ Please explain to me why they are acting this way.

And how many years did they torture that person? We are all the time spreading love in the arab world and winning their hearts and minds as well aren't we.

Our Government is no different now than what Hitler, Stalin and all the other insane leaders of there countries did to innocent people.

Institute a Torture Program inside the Peoples House. War Crimes even if you don't want to accept that fact it is a fact.

And they also screw our soldiers every single day by the second, minute and hour.

I'm so glad your so proud of your country. It isn't mine or many others who still remember what America once was and stood for.

That America is Dead and died the day the Republican Fascist Nazi's along with some Democrats gave this insane madman the power to strip American Citizens of their Constitutional Rights by labeling them Enemy Combatants as they continued to destroy what ever little is left of our Constitution.

And Jews who support these same policies are accepting the same things that Hitlers followers did to their ancestors as well.

Go lick your Fuhrer's boots.

No Grudge

"Max, so you don't think pelosi is even interested in being vp? Or it's just keeping her power and persuasion in the house?"

The Speaker has enormous power and is third in line for the Presidency should anything happen to the Prez and VP. Why give up the Speakership just to attend funerals and chicken dinners as VEEP?

I don't think Hillary should do anything to help BO.If she does not get nomination and does not run as an independent she should just let him sink along with all those backstabbers from BC's administration.If We can't have Hillary McCain will be a much better President than Obama and he won't be able to change Roe or privatize SS because if Dems dominate congress we will be in the same stalemate as we are in now.I do not want the wrong dem at top with dem congress because with that liberal bunch behind BO we'll be in worse shape than we are now .We need to go back to the 90's and that won't happen with obama and Kennedy.So vote McCain and hope for a better candidate in 2012.Our best hope is Hillary and Hagel for 08.And from what I hear she has enough support to run against the establishment.Boy this country could use a third party
Ruth

vadaryl, reg. What's it in for them to lose those three weeks.
I;ve been trying to figure out for months what is in it for the media. The slant toward Obama must come from the top, doesn't it? But I haven't been able to figure it out, that hate for the Clintons. Has anyone else? And why the love affair with Obama. No fair minded person could have missed it. I have felt so disilllusioned by them.

Corporate media is liberal? That's why MSM is cheerleading Obama? Think!

No, grudge, Pelosi won't take VP. She is needed where she is and will have more power in my take on the dynamics that are coming.

Just ignore Anon, just a broken psychotic record, spewing the same boring diatribe.

Yes, Obama threw his grandma under the bus, the woman who nurtured him when his mother continued to prefer the world to living in America (see the sticker photoed at Town Hall from the Stadium where Obama gave his NC speech), and long before Barry threw Wright under the bus. As his real history has been begun to be vetted, he now must repeat how much he loves America. It is the right political move given Wright and others like Avery whose father helped Obama get started in Chicago. While Obama was getting support from Avery (stomping on the flag at the time) and Rezko, Khalidi and others to launch his political aspirations, Hillary was in Bosnia after strongly advocaing taking on the Serbs. Great difference in outlook, yes?

If i was running a TV station or a network and were getting these great ratings I would never want this to end. If my achors were tired so what that is what they are being paid to do. Make them go out and get a story. Outdue the other stations or networks. The debates were the most watched, Why let one candidate off the hook and not have one. I just don't get it.

painter, Hillary is too loyal a Democrat to not help her party.
She'll do what they tell her to do. I, too, wish she didn't have to help out someone that's tried to destroy her and the only Democratic presidency (Clinton) that we've had in many years. What did he gain by trashing Bill Clinton and what he accomplished. Couldn't he find someone from the other party to trash? And then to accuse Hillary: "She will do anything to win:. I think he meant he and his would.

oh bull, BO has been 'race baiting" since the day after new hampshire! give me a break.

yes

The media doesn't love Obama so much as they hate the Clintons. You watch, most of them will be singing John McCains praises in the fall. Don't forget, they are all part of this corporate America that Obama is supposedly against. And the Republicans are their meal ticket.

Renee, perhaps a nice scarf - greys and silvers maybe, to add that little something extra to your otherwise drab burka. I can recommend someone who does beautiful work. :-)

Look how many people voted in PA, IND, NC. Maybe WVA will pull out all time records too unless the press get's it's wish and Hillary pulls out or they can get enough supers to give in. There is 179 days left until November, let us have our fun for a few more weeks at least. The press should report and stay out of the decision making.

Clinton May Have Lost, But Sexism Remains Rampant
By Big Tent Democrat, Section Media
Posted on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:40:12 AM EST
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Balloon Juice and Oliver Willis enjoyed this nasty bit of sexism - Hillary Clinton: Psycho Ex-Girlfriend Of The Democratic Party.

Is there any self awareness left in the blogs? Or do these folks really want to alienate every Clinton supporter in the country?

P.S. The blogger who wrote that post's ironic slogan? "Don't be a d*ck!" Try it some time dude.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/9/124012/9573

It appears Obama supporters everywhere are defensive and bitter in victory.

This was a post to "Bye Bye Hillary" on the other thread. I want to post it again because by the time everyone woke up, there was a new thread. If we want a unified Democratic Party, how we treat each other's preferred candidates will certainly matter:

BYE BYE, just a comment... Continuing to insult Bill and Hillary by using the name BILLARY is not going to help in your high-minded comment "It's time to bring the party together." If you really want to bring the party together you should know that using the BILLARY moniker is a slap in the face to most of her supporters. I urge you to consider a positive nick that is not so "nyah nyah nyah". As it stands now, the more I read here, the angrier I get at the Obama candidacy. I am forcing myself to support him, but the more I read here, the more I feel like throwing up my arms and saying "to hell with it"...

Posted by: EuroTom | May 9, 2008 4:56 AM

I also have found that the Obama supporters that I have been in contact with are defensive and bitter too. What gives? Also I found a lot of the conservatives like that too. You can't have a meaningful discussion with them. Not all of them but I would say about 75%.

and talk about 'negative campaigning', the nasty slurs have all come from the BO supporters! just read whats been said here! billary this and that, she's a monster, a bitch, a liar. I don't see Clinton supporters throwing that sort of crap around.
let's face it- he is just an ambitious politician, he lied about what he knew his paster was saying, he lied about how his parents met, he not only lied about his realestate deal with rezco - he PRE-lied, by having the transaction in his wifes name to hide it.

lynn, reg Or do these folks really want to alienate every Clinton supporter in the country?
Want to or not, they certainly are. It's bizarre, this we don't need you attitude.

It's sad when you can't even use a person's middle name. We can say BHO, that's alright but if we say what the H stands for, we get all kinds of crap. Is that fair.

I wonder if Donna B. will still quit the democratic party if the super delegates decide this race in Obama's favor. I think she thinks we forgot what she said months ago. now it's OK for them to decide it. (given she feels he doesn't need hispanics and other Clinton supporters) Word to Obama -remember the great job she did for Gore.

Posted by: Melanie | May 9, 2008 2:17 PM

That isn't what she said. She said that if the Superdelegates overturned the majority preference of delegates, she would quit. In other words, Barack is the leader but short of the official delegates needed to cinch the nomination. A bunch of superdelegates decide they like Hillary better so they cast their votes for her in a number significant enough to make Hillary the chosen nominee. That was what Donna was referring to. However, this problem has been exacerbated by the DNC's "punishment" of Michigan and Florida if they held their primaries early. I sincerely believe that when they made that ruling, they felt confident that the states would capitulate and have later primaries. When that didn't happen, the DNC was already boxed in and would have lost face if they didn't follow through.

What a mess it has been!

Nelson, you can say that again (may I agree?)
and talk about 'negative campaigning', the nasty slurs have all come from the BO supporters! just read whats been said here! billary this and that, she's a monster, a bitch, a liar. I don't see Clinton supporters throwing that sort of crap around.
let's face it- he is just an ambitious politician, he lied about what he knew his paster was saying, he lied about how his parents met, he not only lied about his realestate deal wit

No one told the governor of Montana it's over

http://www.greatfallstribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008805090343

I've posted about this MO remark. Has anyone read or heard this mentioned elsewhere?

(his = Bill Clinton)

" But, after a few seconds, she affected a funny voice. 'I want to rip his eyes out!' she said, clawing at the air with her fingernails. One of her advisers gave her a nervous look. 'Kidding!' Obama said. 'See, this is what gets me into trouble."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/may/04/barackobama

ET, Loyalty is a marvelous thing...until it's misplaced.

For those who misguidedly claim that the corporate media are liberal, I will use the old saying "the corporate media are as liberal as the conservative companies that own them".

For media literacy, I recommend FAIR (Fairness and Accuracy in Media)

Here is a GREAT LINK... Do take the time to read it :-)

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=101

Lynn says:No one told the governor of Montana it's over
The Game goes on.

Gordo

As far as I know, none of the American media even whispered about it.

falls, thanks.

Nelson, that pre-lied line is a classic!

Gordo, I saw that article on MichelleO as well. I get a feeling that we're not hearing the half of what she says, because of the media's focus on the Clintons.

I'm going away for a while to the post office, will check in later. Keep up the good work.

EuroTom, I agree. Now if you really looked into the total farce of an autobiography and the tin cans Obama is dragging, the Obamniacs are well past the tipping point. Frankly, I disagree with most of McCain's domestic policies. He did vote for Democratic niminees to SCOTUS and he has a REAL record of standing up to Republicans. When Colbert asked Huffington last night, why Obama can get away with playing to his base, but she calls McCain playing to his base something profoundly evil, she had nothing, just some stupid slogan and blather. At least McCain didn't listen to Hagee for twenty years as his Pastor and pretend to the American people he heard nothing controversial which is EXACTLY what he told the press weeks before the Wright story flared.

The Democrats have made me sick. The Far Riight makes me sick, and those of us who really support New Democratic ideals should vote for the candidate closer to center.

If one tries to convince me to vote for Obama, they will first have to show me why Obama is not a liar and what foreign policy he will have that will defuse the growing threats to the West as Italy picks another centrist leader to add to Sarkosy, Merkel and Brown. Obama is certainly Left of them.

5/9/2008

"On the heels of her "tie-breaker" win in Indiana and decisive victory in Pennsylvania , Congressman Chris Carney today announced his endorsement of Hillary Clinton for President. Carney represents Pennsylvania ’s 10th Congressional District."

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=7607

What will obama do without being able to copy everything Hillary says.He has copied most all of her plans.Every debate he said "I agree with Hillary."Without her help he will be lost and I hope she doesn't help him.
Ruth

Any of you Woodstock generation farts remember Ten Years After? Go to youtube (I'm sure it's there) and listen to their song "I'd Love to Change the World". See if it reminds you of anyone who might be running for president.

Ruth, you don't think "I agree with John" will do it in the runup to Nov? I'm shocked, shocked, I say!! :-)

h

Pogo
you are so right ,only this time the media will be on McCain's side
Ruth

I know the Clintons are rediculously loyal Democrats, but I can't but think a Clinton/Bloomberg thrid party would be loads of fun and he could afford it.

Gosh! I must be a racist.There is no way on God's Earth this BOWM would vote for Obama
Ruth

Ruth, you're an M?

Painter

Unless you are a boy named Ruth, you are a BOWW. : ) Your hubby would be a BOWM

Jamie
Bloomburg would have to move to Wyoming like Chaney did.Can't have Pres and vice from same state
Ruth

Oregon, fight the good fight. i'm sending all my energy to you!

oops!
Ruth
BOWW

I guess I could have spun that to Bitter Old White Mrs. Lol
Ruth

I'm sure he has more than one home he could use for a legal address.

If Obama does get to the WH, he will destroy the Dem Party. Would like to see Hillary head up an independent party. What about ballot access?

Jamie
Why should they stay loyal to democratic party.The party has not been loyal to them.The only way Obama can be elected is if the Clinton's help.And they would be crazy to!
Ruth

Wasnt there a book out a while back - "BOWM Like Me?"

"What about ballot access?"

As Perot found out, the two major parties have made it very difficult. Unless a party already has access by virtue of having received a percentage of the vote, it is hard to get on. There are some parties such as Green, Reform, and Libertarian that might be up for grabs. As of 2006, the Greens had 31 states. I don't know how many they might have added or could add easily by November, I have no idea.

John Edwards said this morning that Hillary was running because she believes she can do the best for this country.So the country is more important to her than party loyalty.He said she was not doing this for herself.
Ruth

Gordo, the Dem party and Rep party have both been declared dead about 3 times each during my adult life - even as short as it is (I wish. LOL). The Dem party will survive an Obama presidency even if he screws it up royally. Look at the Rep party; after the worst president in the history of the nation it has the favored candidate to win the Nov. election against the presumptive nominee of the Dem party, at least according to polls as they stand now.

i think i'm gonna be sick, jack cafferty is doing his usual HRC bashing.
painter, you bring up a good point, about the debates. the bigO never had an original thought. even his media admirers made note of that. do you think that will work against mccain?

I think all the 3rd party discussion is nothing more than wishful thinking. I don't think it's Hillary's intent to run on a sure loser party ticket and hand the election to McCain. She's been a democrat ever since Goldwater days were over, longer than Reagan was a Republican, longer than Nader has been a greenie and longer than Perot was a nut. No, I believe she will bow out, support Obama at some level, return to the Senate, and look for another mountain to climb, rhetorically, of course.

I have the feeling that it's not going to be about Hillary supporters voting for McCain, but just sitting out the election. I had lunch yesterday with an old and dear friend. He and his partner of 25 years have voted Dem since they could vote. But he said they will not go to the polls if the choice is O and McC. They feel O will be a disaster. And these guys are not uneducated working class poor by ANY stretch of the imagination.

would you please cut this "race baiting" malarky!
talk about whining. waa waa waa
if ya'll cant fight a woman without crying all the time what are you gonna do in the fall?

Patsi,

Unless this turns into a landslide election for other reasons than we know about right now, then even 10% of people who have always been likely voters sitting out for any reason could throw the election to the opposition party.

Nash....
aircraft?....... are you telling me that as a loyal Obama supporter you haven't noticed the price of airline tickets recently......
why..... I looked into a flight to Vegas last week and found out it'll cost me almost $200 more for just myself as compared to what it cost Rick and I to fly together 3 yrs ago..... now where the f*#@* am I going to get my gambling money.....

sheesh..... guess all I'm suppose to worry about is the price of arugula......

Pogo..... I have lots of glitter yarn..... but in order to use..... I'd have to become an infidel......

NEW THREAD

Tell that to the truckers. And Bloomberg didn't win any votes from the driving poor on fixed incomes with that "dumbest" remark, either. It reflects his true Republican economic leanings IMHO, and I opposed the gas tax holiday until the perspective of the driving poor on fixed income angle was explained to me.

Jamie, you're right, and if you factor in Nader and Ron Paul, I think he's still in, right?, they can't afford to spare any votes. See, I'm talking as if they're no longer my party already.

Truckers, Cabbies, Delivery Vans, Senior Center transportation. It's not just family vacation heading for the mountains.

What I resented was the portrayal of her "gas tax" proposal as being the whole of what she was recommending.

Certainly we need to get off the oil teat, develop mass transit, high speed rail, alternative energy blah blah blah, but while that is all going on as some sort of "Apollo" program, people have to get to work and perform their jobs. When it is cheaper for someone to go on welfare than it is to try to get to and from work to support a family, then it is hardly "dumb" to make it possible for them to do it.

NEW THREAD

gas tax holiday- if its such a dumb idea why did BO vote for it three times? he said that was how he knew it was a bad idea, and it took him three times to figue this out?
....oh i see, he is just a little slow...

Barack would be in serious trouble if he took that horrible woman as a running mate. If they got elected she would sabotage him in a very sneaky way every step of the way. SHE IS UNFIT FOR ANY PUBLIC OFFICE!!!!!

Posted by: Skylark | May 9, 2008 9:16 AM

Please Skylark... find some Xanax, and if that doesn't help try some valium.

--no more negative energy.
nasty weather here in the east

I see that all the "hard working white people" in the Klinton Klub are here today.

I don't think she should be VP. I think she should be tossed out of the party for being a damn racist. (And all of her followers, too.)

The GOP wants you people. Go. You'll be happier there.
Posted by: nash | May 9, 2008 9:38 AM

Nash once again dissing Mrs. Clinton and the people who support (supported) her. Nash, review your definition of a "troll". You fit right in.

Ky Marco: Don't know where you are in the state, but I understand how you feel .. after reading that article that GORDO linked too ... my Mom & I have been saying that for awhile now ... it just didn't make any sense to us how fast BHO rose to the top ...

Oh EMMY, you forgot Rachel Meddows .. can't stand her .. if anyone gives an opinion not of her liking, she interupts them, talking loudly over them until they finally stop trying to make their point .. that's what happen when morning Joe, left the show that day ..
and all this about being a races!!! makes me sick to hear everyone who supports Hillary being called it too .. no, they keep saying BHO supports are the highly educated people & young college people, but for how they are conducting themselve in public .. no class at all in my book ...

WHOOPS!!! MISSPELLED, "racist"
{and all this about being a races!!!} makes me sick to hear everyone who supports Hillary being called it too .. no, they keep saying BHO supports are the highly educated people & young college people, but for how they are conducting themselve in public .. no class at all in my book ...

Oh,M'God-he didnt!
I just read what nash wrote.
and this is one of those 'bring people together' , 'change, change,' folks?
you sir, are a disgrace, not only to the democratic party (if that is what you claim to be), but to the human race in general.

so, as i was saying...nasty day here in the east.
as i can't tolerate the cabel news 'all obama, all the time', i don't alway know when and where master crawford will be showing up.
anything planned for tonight, sir?

Should have read "And Hillary can not win without the AA vote. It was the AA vote that put Bill in office twice. Without it Bill would not have won.

God Bless.

Nogrudge you prove my point.

Like I said previously, the Democrats shoot themselves in the foot and lose another election because I don't think Obama is gonna pick up many white Blue Collar Democrats, and you can't win without them either.

To All You Obamiacs out there;
Please try to remember that racism works both ways, but in the case of reverse racism, it's kind of like having to "knock out the champion". Hillary should not jump at the VP position - can you imagine a woman of her intelligence and experience having to work under that loud-mouthed hound that Obama is married to. It was Michelle Obama who started the name calling a million years ago by saying that if, "Hillary couldn't run her own house, how could she run the White House?" The blue collar vote, which makes up the majority of Americans, is Hillary's and she should take it with her to the Independent Party. Perhaps Rev. Wright didn't influence BO but his old lady is another matter, she sounds just like Wright most of the time. I am thoroughly disgusted with the biased BS from the media because BO is good copy and absolutely in awe at the ineptitude of the house and senate leaderships. The latte - drinking, well-heeled, have just had their turn at president, it's the turn of the people who grind out a living from day to day and need the help. Where's the compassion all you BO supporters are so proud of..............