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the funny thing to me is how they managed to get a bunch of perfessional politician type people to have a meeting on a saturday.......

Holy Cow. First hurricane of the season? Guess it couldn't wait for the end of Cyclone cycle.

COLORADO BOB LIVES!!!

I just spoke with one of the owners of the Tornado Gallery, who told me that C'Bob is doing very well. He's no longer housebound, and has developed a number of new interests, including gardening, recycling, wind power, etc. So...his focus has shifted away from the computer because he's pretty active in the things he's doing.

I asked that he pass along to C'Bob that we miss him and would love to hear from anytime, but that we're most happy that he's alive and having fun!

Thought all of you who know and care about C'Bob would want to know the good news....

Posted by: harborwoman Author Profile Page | May 29, 2008 11:49 AM

Was afraid someone might miss this that wasn't around on the last thread.

Senor Pescado said, "the funny thing to me is how they managed to get a bunch of perfessional politician type people to have a meeting on a saturday......."

simple lots of free do-nuts and coffee

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Blame to Share in Primary Farce
"In the mind-numbing saga of the botched primary schedule, there is plenty of blame to be shared among all the participants, from Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama and their surrogates to Howard Dean and the party apparatus in Washington."

http://www.creators.com/opinion/joe-conason.html

Sturge , they won't be in on Monday. LOL!

Here is today's big news in West Michigan:

http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8395273

Craig,

Excuse the cranky tone of this post but how dare you expect that the Democratic party follow its stated rules or use any semblance of common sense when applying them. If you maintain your current heading, next thing you know, you'll demand the the sun rise in the east or something...

I think Craig could be right and no decision will be made on Saturday. Has anybody else heard any other talking head say that no decision could be made.

Craig, you be a law'er, although you don't practice. If the DNC rules were laws - and I know they aren't - and FL & MI appealed the DNC's rules chiefs' enhanced punishment - and I know they can't - the court would have to reverse, probably with directions, since the 50% reduction is mandatory by its terms and not a minimum threshold.

HD, that might get cops to a meeting on the weekend, but I'm guessing the answer is OPEN BAR. BTW, I'm sure that off duty fuzz was more impressed with himself than the chickadees with him - who I bet recognized that he was just scared of your pup.

Corey, I guess that if you're gonna be in a chopper crash, a hospital is about the best place to be in one.

Craig, what bear said - :-)

Has anything gone by the book in this primary season. Why would you think that Saturday will be anything different. They have had weeks to prepare for that meeting and it could be over in a few minutes instead of it dragging out all day and possible no decision made. But of course they could use it as a big media day and knock McCain off the front page.

hmm - thoughtful observation = wishful thinking? Since when?

HD, responsible dog owners (which I assume you are) don't let their vicious animals sniff up cops while they are talking cows and cow dogs. I can only guess that Rance is a typically good natured dog - unlike the overly playful, suspicios mutt of mine.

Hillary Clinton..Our best chance to defeat the GOP in November!

Howdy, OD - how's tricks?

They have had weeks to prepare for that meeting and it could be over in a few minutes instead of it dragging out all day and possible no decision made. Posted by: vadaryl

I get the feeling that the decision has already been made. And that the reason we may not hear Saturday is a strategic reason to not tell us until the last vote is in. What that strategy is, I have not idea. But don't they always know how a vote is going to go before it's formally taken.

Chloe,

Out of respect for Anon-p I am going to repost what I did on the last thread. If you already read it, My work is done.

Anon-p is a great human being. He tends to stick up for his friends though. just like you and I.

I first met Anon...three years ago? When the blog first began. He was very afraid and all of us spent a lot of time calming his nerves about the state of the country and he in turn made some predictions that had us in awe.

I woud say again, that if you and I reread most of this stuff, we would be able to see that most of the offense taken was not ment as such.

Anon-p is a very good human being.

Hi Pogo..I'm doing two hours of South Dakota phone work this afternoon. Oregon volunteers are a lot like Hillary..We don't give in easily!

Donna Brazille said that she didn't expect a decision to be issued on Saturday.

Thanks Sheila

*scratches his head*
Now how could someone be the best to win the general when they can't even win the nomination

Once again demonstrating a lack of knowledge that makes real discussion impossible

Chloe

On the left hand side of this blog under "links" is the "blogroll". You can take a tour of some of the regulars who have blogs. If you have one of your own, Craig will add it to the group.

"Whatever decision is made during a party meeting Saturday delays a resolution of the Democratic contest, just as Obama is within reach of the 2,026 delegates needed to win the nomination.

"Our magic number could increase kind of at the 11th hour here," Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said Wednesday. He told reporters: "If it's raised a little bit based on the Rules Committee, we'll have to go get some more superdelegates. But at some point we're the nominee."

http://www.kansascity.com/449/story/638744.html

Donna Brazille said that she didn't expect a decision to be issued on Saturday.

Posted by: Jamie | May 29, 2008 3:18 PM

Hide your eyes, plug your ears, hand over mouth.....lets just not think of it until next Monday. let's spend time on Scott McClellan and his 'AHA" moment.

I say he was always a patriot, just misguided and that when he resigned, it took time for the Grape Koolaid to wear off. But now he sees the light

Better late than never and just before the General. Every little bit helps.

OD, good for you. Keep up the good work.

Clintonian (@ 3:22), nope, it's just sophistry.

Sheila, he may have been a patriot - but I rather think he was just a useful idiot.

Craig is spot on here. I think Bear made the comment that the brouhaha from this nominating process has raised consciousness about the need to change how it is done.

A long time ago Jamie made a comment that I particularly liked regarding this. She advocated that there be a rotation of states that have the right to be the first to hold primaries and/or caucuses, instead of always laying that golden egg on the laps of the corn husks in Iowa and the people of New Hampshire. Another possibility would be a lottery system. I think you'd have to divide the lottery into 3 tiers: 1) the states that get the right for earliest primaries/caucuses.

2) If not of the largest states win the lottery, at least one would have to win the right to begin in the next tier. I assume the reason states are spread out is so that candidates can evaluate how they are doing and be available to campaign in between primaries.

3) All other states are lotteried out... a certain percentage could be the Super Tuesday voting contest and then the rest spread out over time.

It might be messy, but it might just work. I wonder what others think?

Obama ran against Alan Keyes

You know the running against Alan Keyes comment is relevant. Obama's opponent was MAYBE one step about the Phelps family from Westboro Baptist Church.

Tom,
I think that sounds like a better plan than the way it is done now. And regarding what you said about the larger states, couldn't you have three separate lotteries with the largest populations included in one lottery, on down to medium and small (in comparison to one another). . And take the first picks of each group to combine into each part of the election cycle.

Obama lost to Bobby Rush.

Every other opponent since has been very weak.

The day after New Year's 1996, operatives for Barack Obama filed into a barren hearing room of the Chicago Board of Election Commissioners.

There they began the tedious process of challenging hundreds of signatures on the nominating petitions of state Sen. Alice Palmer, the longtime progressive activist from the city's South Side. And they kept challenging petitions until every one of Obama's four Democratic primary rivals was forced off the ballot.

Fresh from his work as a civil rights lawyer and head of a voter registration project that expanded access to the ballot box, Obama launched his first campaign for the Illinois Senate saying he wanted to empower disenfranchised citizens.

But in that initial bid for political office, Obama quickly mastered the bare-knuckle arts of Chicago electoral politics. His overwhelming legal onslaught signaled his impatience to gain office, even if that meant elbowing aside an elder stateswoman like Palmer.

One of the candidates he eliminated, long-shot contender Gha-is Askia, now says that Obama's petition challenges belied his image as a champion of the little guy and crusader for voter rights.

"Why say you're for a new tomorrow, then do old-style Chicago politics to remove legitimate candidates?" Askia said. "He talks about honor and democracy, but what honor is there in getting rid of every other candidate so you can run scot-free? Why not let the people decide?"

In a recent interview, Obama granted that "there's a legitimate argument to be made that you shouldn't create barriers to people getting on the ballot.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,1,57567.story

Like bush?

Hillary's campaign made its mistakes - failing to see Obama coming until it was too late to stop him and failing to campaign in the caucus states as a consequence are the major ones (to say nothing of a big dem/swing state strategy that did not include even half-hearted campaigning in red/caucus states), but I'd say Edwards beat her out for most dreadful campaign in modern history - with name recognition to beat the band, a tremendously helpful spouse and two years shaking hands with every Iowan with an address, he got just enough support in the first 4 contests to cause him to drop out of the race. I wouldn't throw stones about Hillary's initial senatorial run against a sitting congressman when the withering opposition Obama faced after Ryan withdrew was perennial losing candidate Alan Keyes.

Sounds to me like all that Chicago Politics shaped his distaste for dirty politics and reshaped his message into what it is today.

Change.

I think Clinton and Obama are apples and oranges.

That is why we are all differant in our choices. I think we should stop comparing their campaigns and runs for office. Its all just a moot point and has nothing to do with the future.

Obama does not represent change
He is skilled at the appearance of change.
He says he doesn't take money from lobbyists -he takes it from their lawyers.
What would be different?

Hillarys politically life started long before her run for the Senate!!! Why do so many Obama supporters want to minimize what this Woman has stood for and done in her life?? Why not just promote your own Canidate by stating all the good deeds he is responsible for? Unless maybe there isn't much to tout so you turn your rage on Hillary.Not Smart and Not Enough to win a general Election.

sturg - nice comparison, but that's yet to be seen.

"Politics shaped his distaste for dirty politics and reshaped his message into what it is today. "

Now he stands above it all and lets his campaign minions do all the sleeze and dirty emails to every media rep everywhere. I've seen uglier campaigns but never a more hypocritical one.

Well, if it's a 50-pct solution, then penalize Mrs Clinton 50-pct in each state, Mr Obama an additional 50-pct for his news conference in Florida, and disallow any votes for him in Michigan because he removed his name from the ballot.

That would be equitable, and, so far as I can tell, completely within the existing DNC rules. (Remember, we are a country of rules, not law.)

And, so far as the Saturday meeting goes, many of the members have day jobs other than the party.

Sheila, a great idea. I'm betting it won't happen until Hillary suspends her campaign, though - and I bet you could guess why I say that.

flatus, good point about the day jobs. I still say it was the open bar.

HW said "(Just kidding...please don't anybody get exercised!)

Harborwoman, I would settle for a simple exorcism. :)

dick tawk......

Oh Wow,

Madmustard,
Tighten up your chin strap and hold on. Another 24 hour tornado alley run about to start. .....what a spring.

sturg, LOL.

"Democrats have a rare opportunity in 2008 to finally erase their long-running deficit on security. One of the things they should consider is changing some of the terminology they use to discuss foreign policy."

" In every presidential election since 1968 where national security has played a major role Republicans have won......... Democrats have a rare opportunity in 2008 to finally erase their long-running deficit on security. The war in Iraq has undermined the public's confidence in conservative national-security policy and people are open to new ideas, although they are still waiting to see what Democrats will have to offer."

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=its_time_to_stop_talking_about_soft_power

STurge

That is obviously the source.

jamie, I rather thought it might be a different, but close, source.

Can you imagine this gang here ever all getting on the same side. The Democrats would be unbeatable.

Time for matthews on McClellan

Good afternoon one and all ...
As a general observation relative to the McClellan thing ...
1. His mother is / was / has been a Democrat, a Republican, and an Independent
2. His brother, while in a position of authority at SSA is the man who ordered the chief actuary to lie about the actual cost of the prescription drug bill
3. Several on-air persons have stated that McClellan found himself unable to get a job after he left the WH, something that has not proven to be a problem for other press secretaries.

Generally speaking, I tend to have more respect for people who resign when they know they are being used, made a fool of, lied to than for people who find their consciences after the fact.

Finally, Paul Wolfowitz stated clearly and unequivocally in response to a question from Jesse Jackson Jr at a Congressional Hearing that we had to invade Iraq because we needed to get our military bases out of Saudi Arabia. I saw the Hearing, I heard the man speak ... maybe three people have ever reported on it.

Chloe: With regard to the Democratic deficit on national security ... I have been reading an article in the New Yorker about our invasion of the Philippines ... about how we promised them we were liberating them but actually started fighting them, used water torture and other barbaric techniques...and how Wm Jennings Bryan spoke out against McKinley's policies and tactics...to much criticism, so rabid was the desire to establish the country as part of the rush to Empire.

Trash talk is just that.

Chloe: With regard to your earlier post ... if we all agreed with each other all the time, we wouldn't be Democrats. Remember what Will Rogers said ... :-)

Here's something we may all agree on ... what d'you suppose Nancy Pelosi thinks she's going to do to settle the nomination herself? Who does she think she is, Boss Tweed?

Maggi, if I'm right, I think you're talking about this;
"SPLENDID LITTLE WARS,"
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/1986/01/13/1986_01_13_050_TNY_CARDS_000344815

I'll read it.

Chloe: The article is called The Water Cure by Paul Kramer from the February 25, 2008 issue ... I don't have the online reference, but it should be easy to find.

Thanks Maggi

Michigan to DNC

http://thepage.time.com/full-letter-from-michigan-dems-to-dnc-members/

"While Michigan Democrats were disappointed that our state was not selected for one of the pre-window contests, we appreciated the new rule for adding a bit of much-needed diversity to the early nominating process, and as a first step toward breaking the Iowa-New Hampshire lock on the process. We notified the DNC that we would abide by the new calendar and its sequence provided that other states did the same. To be clear – the key issue which the new rule resolved was the sequence of the pre-window states, not just the number of pre-window states.

But at a press conference in Dover, New Hampshire last August 9, the New Hampshire Secretary of State indicated he was going to schedule his state’s primary before the date specified in the DNC rule, clearly defying the sequence and timing the Rules and Bylaws Committee had set. Michigan Democratic leaders wrote to Governor Dean asking if the DNC intended to enforce the rule against New Hampshire, but the DNC refused to act or even to answer our letters for months."

Obama is the only one trying to change the rules
The Obama campaign uses the big lie technique

more from Michigan
"The Democratic National Committee then proceeded to selectively enforce its calendar rule. On December 3, the Rules and Bylaws Committee voted to give New Hampshire a waiver to move from third to second place in the sequence. Michigan requested a waiver and was denied. When the Rules and Bylaws Committee itself decided not to follow its own newly adopted, hard-fought for rules and granted a waiver to New Hampshire, it set the stage for the present situation."

yeah the rules are the rules except when they are not

Can't find the posts now, but Obama posters were crowing about how well he was going to do in Puerto Rico and inviting others to come and celebrate.

Hope they got refundable tickets

....hmmmm....Definitely don't remember anything about Puerto Rico today,,,,any chance its from a different Blog?

Steal the nomination?

Obama doesn't have the nomination no one does.

The Obama campaign suffers from the need of early end of election due to inability to go the distance.

I don't think Pelosi would do anything like that prematurely. She's just to smart and savy to bring this to a close unless All the delegates were appropriated and the race was effectively over.

And it is not.....all though it is about done.

Did anyone just see the Catholic Priest on Fox ridiculing Hillary at the Trinity Church (recently )? It's on tape and it's ugly.

Sorry Chloe,

If it makes it to Obama's channel then I'll see it. Except for Shepard Smith, I don't watch FAUX News any more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H11x6bMu4Y

More like Father Coughlin

Sheila: I was just idly wondering what she meant by her promise to bring things to an end herself. It sounds very dictatorial.
You are undoubtedly correct about the race being effectively over ... and, if it is, why should Ms Pelosi have said what she did?
Is she thinking of using her power to assign persons to committees to browbeat SDs to declare for Obama or change sides? I really think that even supporters of Sen Obama would find that questionable ... don't you?

On "fair and balanced" they think Hillary will 'suspend' her campaign after Tuesday, to stop the financial hemorrhaging, and then she'll buy herself enough time to take her argument to the super delegates (if the supers don't immediately jump ship). Keeping in mind that's northing's pledged until the Convention. As someone there said, in case he steps in a big pile before August.

A lot of people are concerned with what crawls out when rocks from the Obama campaign are turned over like the good father.

I was just idly wondering what she meant by her promise to bring things to an end herself"

maggi, Don't you think she has enough super delegates for Obama in her pocket and can drop them when she's ready.

ps That Trinity Church video is a You Tube video, so guess we can view it as much as possible if we want.

If anyone finds it, would you please link it? Thanks

Rove's oped in today's Journal talks about Mr Obama's Obama speak. Not Rove's best work, but still worth a read:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121201747075327643.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H11x6bMu4Y

the good father preaching hate

Maggi,

I think the party is very nervous. A lot is riding this year and since Senator Clinton's stance is so strong and relentless, my take is that Pelosi was re-assuring Americans that the race would be over and so to chill out.

I am possitive she has talked to both campaigns and got some consensus before saying something like that in public.

Or one of the candidates would have publicaly objected. THAT is very telling.

Rove's oped in today's Journal talks about Mr Obama's Obama speak. Not Rove's best work, but still worth a read: Flatus

He usually is. Like him or not, he's smart.

chloe: Ms Pelosi has the absolute authority to appoint Congresspeople to committee assignments or not -- that is her one weapon. The only thing I can see her doing is promising (or threatening) Congressional Democrats to strip them of their commitee assignments if they do not come out as SDs for Sen Obama.
Of course, it is those same Democrats who vote for Speaker of the House. And, such a move on her part would certainly not remain a secret. I just don't see why she would risk it and what would be gained by it.

The only thing I can see her doing is promising (or threatening) Congressional Democrats to strip them of their commitee assignments if they do not come out as SDs for Sen Obama.
Posted by: maggisd Author Profile Page | May 29, 2008 6:06 PM

Maggi, I don't think she has to threaten them. I think the supers going for Obama have already decided, but notcommitted themselves publicly yet. I firmly believe she know's she has enough delegates for him to achieve her goal once the Saturday meeting happens and only after that decision is made of the committee will they know what the total delegates needed will be. Until that meeting, the delegates needed to clinch this can change.

Sheila: I think the former President is speaking out ... although not mentioning anyone by name. Chris Matthews keeps denying that the media are pushing her out but -- as usual -- he's got it all wrong. It's not the media .... it's people within the party ... McGovern, Carter, and ... even though she claims to be neutral (Ha!) Pelosi.

Karl Rove and Obama Speak...honestly trying to find it and can't.

can someone link it for me?

I have a sneaking suspicion that Ms Pelosi enjoys being the most powerful woman in the country ... Maggisd

Maggi, I agree.
She's another that I don't like and I don't trust.
That's just me, and I don't expect anyone else to agree with me.

chloe: The SDs can change right up until the moment they cast their votes on the convention floor.
So, too, for that matter, can the ordinary pledged delegates, although most of them would not do so. The rules and by-laws do not require any delegate .... pledged or super ... to vote as they have promised. Moreover, the way the delegate vote is done, only the totals for each candidate from each state are announced ... with no differentiation made between pledged or superdelegates.

chloe: I have never really cared for her. Actually, I don't care for Harry Reid, either ... two of the most inarticulate politicians I've ever run across.
And, again, she has not run the House well ... I would be interested to find out if any Speaker in recent history has had to pull so many bills from the floor because of being unable to garner enough votes from his own party.

Utopia ... 245 to 45? What does that mean? The two candidates are separated by 154 pledged delegates ... Sen Clinton cannot overcome this deficit, but it is a very small difference when stacked against the total available delegates.

Utopia: BTW, I am old enough to remember 1960 (a long time ago, I'll admit). JFK and LBJ came to the convention almost tied ... they didn't really know who was going to win until the last moment, although the Kennedys had a pretty good idea they had enough support to win ... I do not remember JFK ever calling for LBJ to all it quits, however.

maggisd wrote:

I do not, for the life of me, see what's wrong with Sen Clinton being allowed to come to the Convention and have her name placed in nomination and let her delegates vote for her ... what does it really hurt? And, it might do more for party unity than anything else ... more to assuage the feelings of her supporters, at least.

Really? I mean, really? You don't understand how this will *irreparably* damage the party? You Clinton folks are really selfish. There must be some deep-seated angst or something. Why do you seek validation in your support for a candidate who is positively calculating, evil, and damaging to the party?

It isn't about winning for you people. I'm sick of playing nice with the HRC folks. It's one thing to be an idiot, which many of you are, but it's another to become so consumed with your self-righteous bullsh*t that you're willing to take the party down with you. Jesus!

"I do not, for the life of me, see what's wrong with Sen Clinton being allowed to come to the Convention and have her name placed in nomination and let her delegates vote for her" Posted by: maggisd Author Profile Page | May 29, 2008 6:22 PM

You and about 17 million other people agree on that Maggi

Utopia: Thanks for the kind and complimentary words. Sitting in my office here I am able to look at a number of degrees and diplomas, as well as an announcement of my [unsolicited] appointment to Pi Sigma Alpha National Political Science Honorary Fraternity....whatever else I may be, sir or madam, I am not an idiot.

maggisd wrote:

Utopia: BTW, I am old enough to remember 1960 (a long time ago, I'll admit)

Well there you go. That explains it. The elderly are the only segment of the population who support HRC. Get over it. Your time is over. Sad but true. You had a great run of things, but now it's time to let the younger generation take control. Bob Herbert had a great op-ed about this recently that you should take a look at:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/13/opinion/13herbert.html

Chloe: Are you loving the hypocrisy of the bashing I took this morning compared to the oh so witty banter banded about this afternoon?

maggisd,

I was not implying that *you* are an idiot. But as an education person, you must surely know that intellegence does not equal book-smarts or education. I say this as a college educator.

It's one thing to be an idiot, which many of you are, but it's another to become so consumed with your self-righteous bullsh*t that you're willing to take the party down with you. Jesus!

You are too smart and wonderful for us. We understand completely if you leave.

Well, you people (always wanted to say that, but good manners prevailed until now) better get beyond your angst at how fragile Mr Obama's candidacy is, and much you feel threatened by Mrs Clinton's persona.

You folks will come to love her once she's been in office for a while and has started fulfilling her campaign promises.

Sitting in my office here I am able to look at a number of degrees and diplomas, as well as an announcement of my [unsolicited] appointment to Pi Sigma Alpha National Political Science Honorary Fraternity....maggisd

Maggi,

Reading your posts and experiencing your kindness and generosity, I am not at all surprised at those degrees, diplomas and appointments.

Idiot is just something they say around here to shut you up.

Please don't let them do that.

Well, you people (always wanted to say that, but good manners prevailed until now) Flatus | May 29, 2008 6:35 PM

Flatus,
I need to repeat from earlier post:
"Always be nice until it's time not to be nice."

maggisd,

It's damaging to the party because the party *needs* to select a nominee in order to get the ball rolling for the general election. It's the simple. Obama is the favorite, and nearly every national poll will tell you this. It's not that we want to push her out, it's just that she needs to realize that barring a technicality, she has lost the race. Going to the convention may have worked for, say Kennedy and Carter, but in this day and age the party mechanisms have changed. A brokered or contentious convention would be devastating for the party. Also, the longer she stays in, the more she continues to foment seeds of division and hatred within the party. We can see that play out here. I apologize for my outburst earlier, it was disrespectful to HRC fans here (whom i do not agree with intellectually) to call them "idiots"; however, sometimes trying to talk logic and reason to you guys is like talking to a brick wall.

Nick
You are so great to read!!! laughing

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
-- Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)

Utopia: My time is most certainly not "over" ... with age comes the wisdom to know that there is nothing new under the sun and that the old saying "And this too shall pass" is as true as it ever was.
Youth brings with it optimism, idealism, and hope. Age brings the knowledge that change comes slowly, as the result of hard work, the clashing of wills, and the hammering out of compromise.
If Utopia were possible, we would find it boring beyond belief ... we would probably resort to eating our young.

Nick,

Thanks for being a good right-winger. The priest story has absolutely nothing to do with Obama's policy platform.

I suppose you will say: well, it's all about character/material that McCain can use in the general election

To that I say: If you HRC see people *really* think the 527 right-wing attack machine is going to forget white water, vernon jordan, lewinski, bill's dubious investment connections, etc. then you are nuts!

maggisd,

Change does come slowly. Indeed, it's taken many years to get a candidate as exciting as Obama who can really change things like: our standing in the world, the way we conduct foreign policy, the kinds of people who get excited to get out and vote. Though he isn't as left as I would like, he does represent a change from the right-to-center Clinton's.

Sometimes you need to take a chance.

True dat.

What Is Going On At Trinity Church?
Flatus Author Profile Page | May 29, 2008 6:35 PM

Utopia,

Calling someone an Idiot is out of line and just going to spoil the good conversation that was taking place.....Maggi didn't say anything untoward.....

Sorry Maggi

Utopia: I think you are relying too much on conventional wisdom in your assessment of the situation. It is my belief that nothing will do so much to bring party unity and salve the expectations of the Clinton supporters as allowing her name to be placed in nomination and having the delegate count go forward at the Convention.
Nothing in that scenario would inhibit Sen Obama from continuing to campaign as the presumptive nominee. After all, Sen McCain is out there campaigning and he regularly loses 15-25% in the GOP primaries that have taken place since he went over the top in delegates.

What Is Going On At Trinity Church?
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/29/9431/74527

Sorry Flatus.
Don't know what happened on that previous post.

So we're supposed to be talking Hillary as running mate on Abrams tonight. How do Trail Mixers vote? Yea or Nay?

maggisd,

well, for one thing, funding becomes an issue. as long as she's still in contention, a lot of things cannot go forward.

Craig: I am a "no" vote for Hillary as the running mate. I don't believe it will be offered to her.

You folks will come to love her once she's been in office for a while and has started fulfilling her campaign promises.

Posted by: Flatus | May 29, 2008 6:35 PM

....Funny, that what I was thinking, only with a "HE" instead of her.....

Kind of like through the looking glass. ;0)

Sheila: No reason for you to apologize ... you are not a name caller and nor are you responsible for Utopia's behavior. Good grief, if I found myself having to apologize for everyone who supported the same candidate as I do, I'd never get another thing done in life. :)

Craig,

you know my response; however, i would be willing to say huzzah to a HRC VP as long as it's under the conditions outlined by Maureen Dowd

Also, too: I have already apologized. It was a heated moment, and yes, I am duly chastened.

The other day , I had lunch with my parents. Within a few minutes of being around my Dad I realized there is a reason I don't like being around him very much. He likes acting like a jerk. Yesterday , while he and my Mom were at the doctor's office , he berated my Mom in front of a nurse because she had taken 2 insurance cards out of his wallet when calling the prescription company for him on Tuesday and she forgot to put those insurance cards back in his wallet. As it turned out , yesterday she needed to give the doctor's office the info that was on these cards. My Dad got pissed because the cards were missing from his wallet. He started bitching at my Mom in front of the nurse. Telling her to keep her hands out of his wallet and that she would be pissed if he went through her purse and took all her *sh-t* out of it. The nurse didn't know what to say. My Mom was very embarrassed and she said she told my Dad off last night. But , that's my Dad. He depends on my Mom for everything , yet he continues to be a jerk to her.

Obama/Clinton polls very well.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/29/11333/2615

I think she should politely refuse.

I say nay on her being VP. Let him choose someone he genuinely trusts.

Craig..I think the winner of the popular vote, Senator Clinton, should be the Pesidential nominee, not the Vice-Presidential..

If Obama does happen to be the noninee, he will lose the general election badly if he does not ask Senator Clinton to be Vice-President!

Corey: Does he apologize to her after he treats her like dirt, too?

Craig: In practice I think it would be a good idea ... Hillary would bring to the VP position the ability to handle details that I feel Sen Obama might find tedious or boring ... they would make a very good President / Prime Minister team.
However, my guess is that the Obama team believes she would damage his self-portrait as someone ready to turn the page. My guess is that the flap over the RFK remarks (as you know it was the Obama campaign that e-mailed that story to the media) was designed to drive a stake through her heart and do away with any VP talk.

Good grief, if I found myself having to apologize for everyone who supported the same candidate as I do, I'd never get another thing done in life. :) Posted by: maggisd

Maggi, did you just diss us? (just kidding)

That'll give us something to argue about tonight , Craig. LOL!

Craig,
As for Abrams tonight, three words: Scorpion Bolo Tie.

Survey USA . Sad that they have Obama losing Michigan to McCain in every scenario. I suspect that will change as the general heats up and as Obama becomes more familiar in the state, but not an encouraging sign at this point for a state that should be in the blue column

Obama supporter says, its his choice.

If Obama thinks its in his and the country's best interest to have Clinton as VEEP, then I trust him.

Sorry can't get any more clearer than that

Craig

I vote no for HRC as VP.

McCain '08!!
Hillary '12!!

8~D

Look,

This analogy is pretty bizarre. I would hope we could keep family drama off this site. Anyway, I did not treat maggisd like dirt. I got a bit heated earlier and indicated that I felt a lot of HRC fans were idiots. That's all. Also too, remember that this is an online environment, not a real world scenario where feelings are involved. If we were to encounter each other off the internets, though there would be a bit of awkwardness, we would all, no doubt, be sipping tea and laughing with one another. Heated moments come with the turf in the blogosphere. Was I being insensitive earlier, sure. But I do, quite honestly, apologize. Oftentimes in this virtual world, we are all too quick to react.

My Dad is one of those people who never thinks he does anything wrong. He can twist things around and make it seem like you were the one that did something wrong. He learned it from his Mom. He will apologize for certain things , not for things like yesterday. I just have a hard time dealing with people who act like that.

Fox is going to show the Trinity Church video again in this next segment.

"That'll give us something to argue about tonight , Craig. LOL! -- Posted by: Corey"

Ha, Corey, as if you guys need any help in that department

Corey: I worked for many years in a medical setting and we worker bees had many dealings with older couples. It was our observation (reinforced now as I have become one of the elderly myself) that one's general character traits are magnified as one ages. Those who are "nice" become positively door mats, while those who are assertive become positively nasty and embarrassing. With men, I suspect that this sometimes stems from a loss of authority that comes with retirement.
Although there are plenty of nasty and embarrassing women as well ... both old and young. Sometimes we just "snap" .... tell your Dad to watch out. :-)

"He can twist things around and make it seem like you were the one that did something wrong. He learned it from his Mom." Posted by: Corey

Corey, it is so great that you didn't learn that same behavior. Good job.

Utopia: Did I say I accept your apology. I do. It is, however, one of the things I have trouble with about blogs, chat rooms, and even e-mails ... that people feel free to say things they would never dream of saying if they had to say it to someone face to face. (Although you will find as you grow older that some people do treat the elderly with a particularly hurtful contempt).

Politics,

I like you, however, the "Idiot" is so damaging. We've had and will have a lousy days ahead, but this last year has been so hard for all here.

Don't leave please. I like you. just stop the idiot. There are more effective ways to get the point across and...

What I have learned to do this year is to read my post before I submt.

I have erased a lot this year, in the name of rising above and thinking about the future.

But I sure want you to stay. So brush it off and pull up a chair.

maggisd,

Understandable. Hopefully there are no hard feelings.

Chief,

I will definitely stay. In the future, however, I will be more careful with how I choose my words. This is far too neat a community to leave : )

Frank.....are you into global warming and chin straps?

Corey: I have to chuckle at your post. My female friends and I often discuss the fact that the men we know don't seem to know how to apologize. Having found themselves to be wrong, or in the wrong, they will do some unexpected chore (take out the trash without being asked), pay one a compliment out of the blue, or the like ...

Politics!

I'm so glad! If I never said it before, welcome to the fold.

See you later, gang!

Off to dinner, and then to watch the "Lost" finale.

Sorry for any disruptions I caused tonight. In the future I'll be more circumspect.

Take care

Chief,

I will definitely stay. In the future, however, I will be more careful with how I choose my words. This is far too neat a community to leave : )

Posted by: Politics of Utopia | May 29, 2008 7:08 PM

BTW, I may have been in the navy, but I am a Chef at this point. ;0)

Utopia: None whatsoever. You don't know me, I don't know you ... I just have a "thing" about name calling that is almost pathological. I haven't yet lived long enough to develop a thick skin ... even when I realize that the comment wasn't actually meant personally.

Sheila: Are you really a Chef? Cause I realized when I was too old to do anything about it that I had missed my calling ... one of the delights of my life is inventing new dishes or having social events at which I make far too many things just so I can watch everyone eating my food.

Sheila: Amen ... it was a good exchange overall ...

maggi,

Yes I am. Actually my second career and so I took a leap and won. I love it. the best way to be middle aged that I know.

Maggisd: Disrespect for the elderly is rampant in our society. I have commented before on this blog about the caucuses being inherently biased against the elderly—especially here in Iowa. My husband and I took several elderly ladies to the caucus and it hurt me so much to see how the system worked against them. I have always been someone who cherishes the oldest (and wisest) members of our community! You are appreciated!

Corey, what you've seen is all too common among older couples--there are a zillion possible causes for it.

Here's what we do in our family:

Stinky and I share the same doc. He's a younger person in a well-respected practice affiliated with the best local hospital.

One of our daughters and her daughter also share this same doc. That gets three generations involved in looking for behavioral changes that can take place as we get older.

Everyone in our family knows that they can alert the doc to changes they see so that he can evaluate and treat as necessary.

Corey, the nurse who observed your father's behavior should have noted it in his chart. It's up to you and your mom to make sure the doc addresses it.

Your local area agency on aging has resources to help family members cope in situtions such as yours.

Sheila: Good on 'ya.
Although my daughter is not yet middle aged, she decided at about age 30 to leave the world of office work, put her various diplomas on the wall, and become a costume designer. She couldn't be happier ... and I couldn't be more proud. I never had the courage to forego the weekly salary and bust out ...

It's time to go see tennis highlights ... some really good action today, for anyone interested.

maggi,

I just played it smarter this time. Instead of starting at the bottom, i talked my way into Private Chef. Its recession proof. ;0) more wages too.

I'm glad to hear your daughter did the same thing. When I left large Corporation, I began to live again.

I just asked you a couple questions. You answered. I thanked you.
No arguments here.

Reaching across the aisle to shake maggisd's hand

TTFN

Last year , my Mom's doctor asked her if she had ever been abused by my Father. She said, "Yes. He verbally abuses me all the time." She told my Dad that and he was stunned that she told her doctor that he verbally abuses her. Oh and LOL! @ Craig.

Maggs...you'll learn after you've been around here awhile and watch it.
Meanwhile, I'm a big fan of your posts. I'm glad you are here too.

Corey...I think it's great that your Mom at least has the courage to admit it -- especially to a third-party outside the family. It would be worse if she were in denial about it. So that much of the situation is healthy, at least.

Maggisd , I just watched the tennis highlights on ESPN News. I saw that Blake lost. Nadal was dominant as ever. Federer won as well.

Chef
I am new here but you are one kind Obama Supporter and I thank you!!! I am from Flint Michigan I hope the weather is getting warmer and sunny for you all

Harvey Korman, the funny man n Carol Burnett show dead age of 81.

Julie...in his honor at this moment I can only say: "That's HEDLEY Lamaaarrrr!!!

That man was a national treasure.

tonyb39,

Thanks for the compliment. Most Clinton supporters are nice too.

welcome! I just moved from Roya Oak. I've been home for three weeks now.....brrrr....I was just getting warmer there when I left.

Even though the weather is just as low in temp as always, I'm not used to it anymore. I'm still in my winter clothing. ;0)

Corey is a michiganer! Dexter is just over the border in Ohio.

Thats Royal Oak Mi, I'm now in Tacoma Wa ;0)

KO calling McClellan's book the Rosetta Stone. Very astute.

oooo one of my heros since 2002 John Dean on Countdown.

wow....KO's Interview is astounding. McClellan is being very animated. I don't think he's voting for McCain this November....

Craig,

I favor her getting anything she wants. He wants the presidency. She should get any consolation prize she wants simply because her following is intense and loyal.

If mama ain't happy ain't nobody happy.

I'm from Holland , Tony. I'm originally from Adrian , MI.

"You lied to me!" - Danny DeVito , before whacking Billy Crystal with a frying pan.

I just wanna hear what Chicago Bulls fans have to say about Doug Collins being re-hired as coach of the Bulls. Since , they ran him out of town the first time.

Who needs rules commitee. lets just drown it out with McClellan and indictment plans....Plamegate the conclusion.

"NAY NAY NAY NAY NAY NAY"

Oh my what I wanted to say. : -P

I favor her getting anything she wants. He wants the presidency. She should get any consolation prize she wants simply because her following is intense and loyal.

If mama ain't happy ain't nobody happy.

Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | May 29, 2008 8:11 PM

Jamie, would you feel the same if the situation was reversed?

Jamie...just so you know how much you are appreciated, seeing your name pop up just now was like having an oxygen mask drop from overhead on a burning 737 that is full of noxious fumes and making an emergency landing. Maybe there's still a chance at survival, after all.

That was a great link to Rove's op-ed piece, Flatus. I agree with him completely. Rove is fun to listen to when he is discussing a wide world of politics. He has such a nasty reputation he doesn't have to worry about offending anyone!

I saw the video, or part of it, of father whats-his-name and think the man has a lot in common with people like Savonarola and Cotton Mather and Reverend Wright and others who work themselves up into a frenzy. It's somehow related to children who throw temper tantrums and keep going until they become hysterical and freak out. I have no quarrel with their right to say such things, but I wish it weren't in such a manic manner. When people speak hate, it has nothing to do with religion. History is replete with what is said to be religion but is really just people coming un-glued.

Another example would be the Ayatollah Khomeini of the 1980's - remember his "funeral" procession?
Apparently the priest has already apologized - does that mean he didn't meant to say it? If so, that shows it's frenzy.

I don't like and don't trust speakers and speeches who bring a crowd to hysterica and tears. they are an omen of bad things.

Amazing McClellan interview.

Jamie, you watch Rules commitee results and let me know the outcome and I'll start paying attention to this astounding turn of events. I'll let you know what I find.

And then...maybe Mickey Rooney and Judy Garland will build a TREEHOUSE!! And the movie will have a HAPPY ENDING!!

Didn't Julie die from a drug overdose?

;0) That's Judy and yes she did.

Corey...
Judy was totally abused by Hollywood. Not sure if she actually OD'd, but no matter how she died...Hollywood killed her.

Frank

Yes I would. This party is virtually split in half. Whoever is on the top of the ticket needs to be big enough to bring about unity. Sen. Obama says that one of his favorite books is "Team of Rivals" because Lincoln had the good judgement to turn competition in politics to the advantage of good government.

If Sen. Clinton were on top, I would hope that she would want Sen. Obama on the ticket or in the cabinet if that is what he wanted.

Jamie: If Senator Clinton was on the top of the ticket there is no doubt she would ask him to be her VP. However, I don't believe it will be offered to her if Obama is at the top of the ticket.

Probably
Obama
Should
End
Up
Ruling

Ally, I disagree and I think it would be ther other way around.

Not to denigrate either. At first I thought that CLinton woule be great as VEEP. Then I thought, Why waste a great career when she could be a better force in the Senate. Someone strong has to fill Senator Kennedy's shoes. No one can fill those shoes by just sitting as the longest standing Democratic Senator. It takes smarts and tenacity. Senator Clinton has that.

Someone like here will be needed in the senate and it AIN'T Senator Kerry, even though I think he is thinking of it.

I believe Obama would better serve in the senate to, rather than VEEP.

I just hope the entire Cabinet will be staffed with people who can spell properly.

That's all I expect of my country, at this point.

I'm sure JFK thought LBj would be the best vp.
LOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOL

Sheila,

If so...

Why has the vital European affairs subcommittee Obama chairs not held a single hearing?

Hasn't he observed Putin's reclaiming of old Soviet Republics by political force -- and the threat of war?

Hasn't he heard the concerns of Eastern Europe?

Why would he not hold hearings on these absolutely vital, dangerous concerns?

Or is that just old politics?

Other Senators who ran conducted their committee hearings.

The House parallel to this sub-committee has been very active.

Even Senator Macaca who preceded Senator Obama held freaking hearings -- and he has the intellectual rigor of a wet box of Kleenex.

Why not this elected Senator from Illinois?

Or maybe he, too, has looked into Putin's eyes and seen the soul of a good man?

Lynn

JFK may not have liked LBJ, but he knew he was a power house. The man virtually ruled the U.S. Senate. Sometimes in politics you make choices that are good for you, sometimes those good for the party, and if we are very, very lucky sometimes for the country.

Obama keeps bragging about his judgement. If he has any, then he would want those brains, contacts, and supporters where he can both keep and eye on her and have at his disposal.

Sheila: My opinion is that Clinton as VP on an Obama ticket would wreak havoc with Obama supporters and seriously damage his "brand." Therefore, he will not offer it to her. Conversely, I don't see anything damaging to Clinton about having Obama as her VP. He would be an asset to the ticket and it would be a perfect situation for 16 years of Democratic rule. In addition, her supporters would welcome it. The vitriol for Clinton within the Obama camp is just too deep at this point. Listen to Lawrence O'Donnell when he is on Abrams. His liberal friends HATE the Clintons. HATE.

9/11...I admire your Socratic vigor...but I can assure you that whatever response you get back from that post will be about as satisfying as a wet Kleenex.

Dog...in all your readiness to condemn and judge the entire world with your broadbrush imprecision, have you ever thought to take time to acknowledge or encourage Clinton supporters who have publicly expressed (here) that they will be voting for Obama?

People like me?

L/L and 9/11

By his own testimony, Sen. Obama didn't have time to hold committee hearings. He started running for President immediately after being elected. The Senate was a part time job.

The Vatican will excommunicate all women priests.

Just not a good year all the way around

http://www6.comcast.net/articles/news-world/20080529/INTERNATIONAL-POPE-WOMEN-DC/

Jamie. Thanks.
But, per FAA rules, I must first secure the oxygen mask to myself before assisting the small child in the seat next to me.

Because he is the lesser of two evils, smartass.

Linda: I know...I thought I had gone to the wrong link! If you ask me, those NY Times commenters are just as scrappy as Trailmixers!

There is meanness towards Obama here and meanneas towards Hillary , Dog. It's not one-sided. Of course , that has led to meanness between commenters here.

And I've declared essentially that going back two weeks or so on this blog.

What have you done for Democratic unity lately, Dog?

(Staying at KGC's house doesn't count)

Meanness* , I mean. I'm more concerned not so much about what is said about the candidates , just the people here. That's more personal , IMO.

"NOTE: being the NYTimes, many of these commenters are the junior senator's constituents"

*shakes head*
*chuckle*
And being a major on line newspaper, one of the national dailys, most aren't from NY.
Just another mean commenter who finds Obama a light wieght.

Jack

LOL And with that, I'm outa here.

Love ya 9/11 and I would have answered you,. If you want to write me, ok.

Not into being lards punching bag tonight.

Good night folks

Did you mean "outta" here?

Jamie
hearings are "so boring"

Jack

Jack: Hearings are so "old politics."

Corey

Yikes!! I didn't know the Lakers could "close it out" tonight!!

Linda: Well go read the comments because you will really pee your pants laughing! Those commenters are just as mean as we are!

and "so yesterday" we need a "change" "hope" one comes along.

Trivia and Tic Tac Toe in one on line game

http://www.animaxinteractive.com/banana/Games/tictactoe.html

Ally
I don't take Dog very serious after her insult to Meg the other day.

Jack

Rezdog, Mr. Democrat, Chef Sheila, Senor Horsedooty,
just to name a few Obama supporters posting just today.

There are j the Clinton haters like Nash and Bear

The argument that Obama supporters have left rings false.

Jack: Was that over the Memorial Day Weekend? The posts that Craig purged? I think I missed that entire exchange. I also missed the Heather mySpace scandal. I am so out of the loop.

Dog...

I think you are a valuable contributor to this blog.

But maybe if the Obama side offered up a teensy-weensy bit of introspection or self-criticism...or god forbid, humility..things would be different. I'm pissed and behave poorly on occasion most recently because I've made the case as an HRC supporter here about why I'm going to suck it up and vote Obama in the Fall -- and have hoped to rally some support on my side of the fence behind that position.

But is there any encouragement from your side -- No. There's just more gloating and bashing and baiting and "tick tock" bullshit.

Your side can just seem so "entitled" about everything. John Kerry didn't actually claim the nomination in 2004 until he actually had amassed the actual number of delegates AND SUPERDELEGATES needed to win. Obama ain't there yet. Is he gonna get there? Yes, almost certainly. But until then...don't seem so entitled. And don't assume that the rest of us should just all "get on board."

And try to be a little more generous to people who want to help you out, instead of just criticizing the clothes we wear to the party.

Your side is winning. Start acting like winners. And let us enjoy the indulgences of losers (at least for awhile).

Okay? Fair enough?

Purged posts????

Wow Mr. Crawford is very tolerant.
Someone must hav been very very bad

Time Out: The Memorial Day Weekend posts are gone. I don't really know why. I just saw some references to the rough dialogue after the weekend...

Craig is now on VwDA ...finally!! 8~P

Dog's Eye: I am not talking about the Summer of Love posts. I am speaking of the posts from Memorial Day Weekend. I got the impression that there was some rough dialogue that occurred over the weekend. I don't know if this is the reason the posts are gone or not.

Dog...let me just get this straight: I reach out a hand to you and try to be honest, taking the time to craft a post to that effect, and you reply that we should "just leave it for tonight" and that I've "gone too far"? Where did that come from?

I need to know, because I need to decide if I even care about engaging you in dialogue again on this site.

Hillary would not be agood veep for Obama. I don't like him but if he's the nominee he needs a vp who won't be a distraction. The media would be watching her as much as him and the pres has to have the attention. MSM ould be after stories about how they're getting along and has she infuriated him or vice versa. If he gets it, it's his and his alone.

For her, it would be suicide - if they lost it would be her fault. Any mistakes or mis-steps would be her fault. They would make her a rasputin, once someone told them who was rasputin was - heaven only knows msm are not the most knowledgeable or erudite people.

If she's the nominee, Obama would be an excellent choice but he probably wouldn't take it. He wouldn't be the distraction from her that she would be for him.

As for fathers, mine didn't say he was sorry because he said it wouldn't make any difference - talk about a weak excuse and a very un-true statement.

Ally
Dog nominated someone for post of the day.
Sturgeone(I believe)counter offered a post a by Meg.

Dog then stated that her dogs had a higher intellegence then Meg.

Meg had not been in an argument with Dog nor do I remember them interacting. Dog decide to make a debate point by insulting Meg.

Totally uncalled for IMO.

Dog owes Meg an apology.
I have yet to see it.

Jack

It's nice seeing Craig being so assertive in putting his knowledge forward.

I think Mrs Pelosi and Mr Reid have overstepped; wonder who they're being advised by.

I guess I'll just have to send Mrs Clinton another $100. I hope she gets it before Puerto Rico because I know she and her supporters will want it for their victory party!

The DCCC is off my list now, so none of my money will be going for ice packs for Mrs Pelosi.

Nick

For the most part there was a lot of good stuff IMO
I enjoyed the seveal heart felt memorials as well as the music videos.

Jack

Flatus

I've started donating to Emilys list. they are supporting two needy candidates in my neighborhood.

I am looking for other organizations that are not connected to the Congressional committee.
They aren't too smart. Their ads for Clair McCaskil were so far left that they almost caot her the election.IMO

Jack.

I know that I'm going to take heat for this, however I for one do not want Hillary on the ticket as V.P.

It will take some time before I can forgive her for the RFK comment she made. Whether or not she meant to imply she was there to step in if anything like that were to happen to Senator Obama and I don't believe that's what she meant, but there are enough nut cases out there who might have taken it that way and attempt it to see she got the nomination.

That is something one should never inject in any political campaign and whomever on her team gave her the idea to use that as rational for staying in should be fired.

Just today a ESPN person was fired for saying he had hoped that Senator Kennedy who was just diagnosed with cancer should have lived longer so he could be {he used the A-word}.

That is why you don't touch that third rail as it is just as dangerous as a live rail on a elevator line like in Chicago's transportation system or even New Yorks.

If this upsets anyone I'm sorry, but that's how I feel.

God Bless.

Jack: Thank you for the explanation.

Nick: Maybe Craig can clarify why the posts are gone. I spent the weekend gardening, shopping and hanging out with the family so I missed all of the good music! Bummer! BTW: It is freezing here. This has been a really sucky Spring.

I sent Craig some pics today...oh Lordy!! 8~)

I still think Meg is Heather's alter-ego...

Go Lakers , Linda! Losing at the half , but I have my fingers crossed.

Jack,

Thanks for reminding me. I did them instead. At least they're still standing by Mrs Clinton. Of any single character attribute, I admire loyalty as much as any other.

Dog
Apologise, like a decent human being or STFU

Jack

Dog...don't even bother to hurry at this point. I was just trying to talk to you, and was hoping for the same in return. Nothing fancy. I wasn't fishing for some sort of communique you had to "work up". Now I'm almost dreading whatever it is you have to say, because I fear it will be only nominally addressed to me.

So I'm going to bed, and I'll read it in the morning.

Night all.

Hang in there Jack.

Nick: I know very little about corn...I have only lived here for 2 and a half years. The only thing I really know is the old saying, "Knee high by the Fourth of July!" So far, the fields are still brown.

I will tell you one thing: When sweet corn is in season here, there is nothing quite like it. You can buy it on just about any street corner and it is simply delish.

Greta show tonight asked "did rev Pflueger sermon hurt Obama - 88% said yes a great deal. Only 8% said no.
Obama issued statement, just saying he did not approve of the sermon. No apology to Hillary. imho he is not presidential material. He has never apologized to Hillary. That kind of behavior reflects sadly on his character.
His judgement is located in his anal glands.

Nick
Plant corn when the oakleaves are the size of a squirrels ear. So the Oldtimers(tm) tell me

I think Jamie can help you with Colorado Bob. I lurked a while when he was here and I remember a rabid environmentalist.(willing to be corrected if wrong)

I'm not an old timer just an abrasive whippersnapper.

Jack

anon-paranoid; can't forgive for RFK; How about dredging up the holocaust with remarks about liberating Auchswitz. What's good for the goose, should be good for the gander unless geese are misogynists also.
Maybe you can explain what happened to the separation of church and state, Pleger at Trinity Church - What a GOOF. Nice people he surrounds himself with and they all seem to be the same, how can he possibly be different???????

wow, i had no idea those weekend posts had disappeared. looking into it. we had a glitch in posting that was fixed on tuesday, but didn't know posts were missing. nothing nefarious, i assure you. will report back when i find out.

Corey

I need to tell you, that since I moved to NoVA(in 2000), I have been a Washington Wizards fan!!

(please bow your heads for a moment of silence...)

Anyway...prior to moving here, I lived in New Baltimore, MI and I was a Pistons' fan!!

But I always like the Lakers, no matter where I live. I even have a cat named Shaquille(although I don't like Shaq, since he left the Lakers and became a total "jerk-pouty-boy").

I want the Lakers to beat the Spurs...but I want the Celtics to win the championship. IMHO, it's time for a team other than the Spurs, Lakers or Pistons to win it all!!!

I hope that makes sense!!
______________

Jack

You are probably right, but, I don't know...it's just a feeling I have. 8~)

OK Craig. I don't think I was the one who got the conspiracy theory going...someone suggested it it a few days ago. But if I perpetuated it, I apologize.

You were great on Abrams. You always look so pleasant (opposed to that Jonathan Alter. He always looks pissed off.)

j

Nick: I know...you would think that living in Iowa I would know more. As it is, the only thing I know about is eating it!

Can't you guys just try to be nice to each other. Jeez. What is the point ? Wah wah wah ------- Sorry gross generalization. (some of you people, never want to make it all inclusive). It's Friday tomorrow, my favorite day of the week.....everyone try to behave as if you are greater then 12 years old. : )

peace~

Ally, no problem. Conspiracy theories are always fun. I noticed some comments the other day about missing stuff but didn't realize entire posts and all comments had disappeared. I had messed up some code on one of them, and they did a fix on Tuesday, but this is the first time i realized that 3 posts disappeared. I will get an answer, and hopefully learn how to avoid such a thing in future.

Now don't you guys be mean about Jonathan Alter. He really is a very nice guy, one of the nicest in this sorry business, even if we don't always agree.

Craig: Jonathan just looks pissy all the time. He needs to show his teeth more. I'm sure he is a perfectly nice person.

Wrap your heads around this one:

Clay Aiken is gonna be a Daddy!

Jimmie Rodgers - Waiting for a Train
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbzc77Tz6PA

Jack

Jerry Jeff Walker-Desperados Waitin' For A Train 1984

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4cFIjqdxzA

Jack

Jack...

Jimmie Rodgers is from my hometown...Meridian, MS. There's an annual festival held there in his honor. He's also buried there.

politicallypissed...

Lieberman Hagee buddies.

I have seen some of the reasons stated that it was a different Nazi camp and he got the names mixed up.

Hillary again defended McCain instead of standing up for a Democrat over Obama's not going there.

I said the other day that Obama should not go to Iraq with McInsane and Graham since he would end up coming back like Pat Tillman did. And yes I do believe that our Government would do harm to a sitting US Senator for political reasons.

You must think that Political Assassination being invoked in a highly charged campaign by Hillary is alright since you haven't objected about it at all.

Sorry, but when have you condemned this current administration and their injection of religion into the White House with their policies, I don't believe I have read any.

If I'm wrong please point to those posts for me.

Good night.

Jethro Tull - Locomotive Breath

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdz_G1VGJ4c

Jack

i don't mean to give anybody a guilt trip, but Jonathan is a cancer survivor who overcame some major hurdles to get back in the game. it was an inspiration to watch. he and i did election night 2004 together on msnbc at rockefeller plaza. it was his first time back on air since his illness, and he was such a trooper despite our spending all night outside in the miserable cold at a remote camera site on the skating rink.

Jeez Craig. Now I feel terrible. I take it all back. Forget the smiling. Forget the teeth. He can look as disgruntled as he wants to. I am going to make a donation to the American Cancer Society in his name tonight! I'm serious!

Hillary again defended McCain instead of standing up for a Democrat over Obama's not going there.

Should have read...

Hillary again defended McCain instead of standing up for a Democrat over Obama's not going over to Iraq.

Now good night.

And why in the world would you do Election Night coverage on a skating rink? That sounds like a nightmare! With our without the cancer!

Grateful Dead- Casey Jones

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_jkTKu5lGg

Bruce Springsteen "John Henry"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMHLWmgi7WY

Jack

And one more thing before I go: I did not agree with Jonathan's call for Hillary to quit the race in late February or early March. That article really got my goat. But I trust that you are the best judge (obviously) so I am willing to let it go.

Hey Cory
I lived and worked at G.M in Flint until 5yrs ago and now i live just south of Daytona Bch, Florida.Enjoy reading you Thanks
CHEF
Very familair with Royal Oak nice place in Michigan
Jamie
Your posts make me smarter how do you do it!!! Thanks

Craig: Do you know why Joe S. is not doing remotes from Florida while waiting for the birth of his baby? Is everything OK with him?

Anon
You attack Hillary for not defending Obama but fail to attack Obama and his campaign for shopping the around the K.O. tape of his silly RFK rant!!! It works both ways.............

Craig, towards the end before I stopped watching KO's show, I really felt sorry for Alter--it was as if he was prostituting himself. He has so much more class than his, um, associates from Newsweek.

But, then, I've always considered him a print person rather than TV.

I liked him when he used to do Imus.

Johnny Cash
Casey Jones then Orange blossum special
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa4hNVYB_pY

Merle Travis Guitar Cannon Ball Rag

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miQiaHYhb_o

Jack

Craig: OK, I have squared up my karma (Word of the Week thanks to Sharon Stone):

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Ally, you should feel guilty more often! :))

Flatus: I am a lapsed Catholic. Guilt is in my DNA.

I don't blame Obama for the nutty priest speaking at his church..But, the response of the congregation would send any reasonable person a message that it is time to find another church to attend..

OD: Amen to that! (no pun intended,)

tonyb39...

I was getting ready to shut down the computer when I checked for any last comments and saw yours.

First of all the story and how it got into the media you can read at the link below. This post was done in response to a Carville interview where he brought up the RFK incident and accused Obama of spreading it around.

Read it please.

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=1283

Here is some of the interview and there is also a youtube of the interview so you can watch and hear Carville himself blame the Obama campaign.

Read the whole post of how this got into the media and that's why K.O. picked the story up and did his special comment on it.

Good night and...

God Bless.

Oh Ally, I was trying not to put you on a guilt trip. But that is a wonderful gesture. I'll be sure to let him know next time I see him.

Night all, the wife is coming home tommorrow.
Better get the dishes done.
I took the afternoon off and went to visit my mother.
I didn't miss any of you all afternoon.
She looked good but her heart is so bad that any infection could take her.
Craig I would send you a picture of our Irises but I picked most of them and took them to my mother. In a hillbilly vase, an old fruit jar.

Jack

dunno a thing about Joe's situation, Ally

"any reasonable person"-OD

code for ??

Dave Dudley ~ Six Days On The Road
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKcYRkUI0Dk

Jack

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqc209-rwTN&feature=related

Louis Armstrong & Johnny Cash doing old Jimmie Rodgers Blue # 9

Hi Dog,

Room Minty fresh again? Sniff.....yep! how are you and what is going on in Cali?

McClellan was all over NBC AND MSNBC today and tonight and Sunday on Meet the Press.

He may just change parties.

Jack,

My immune system is shot.

I began using colostrum a few months ago.

All I can tell you is that a colony of bacterial spores which kept sickening me now appears to be gone.

A number of other cancer patients I know use it daily to bolster their immune systems.

It's at least as helpful as irises.

Oh Ally, I was trying not to put you on a guilt trip. But that is a wonderful gesture. I'll be sure to let him know next time I see him.

Posted by: Craig Crawford | May 29, 2008 11:39 PM

You didn't know you were dealing with a lapsed Catholic. The guilt is not about you, it's all me!

It's a good cause and I am happy to do it. I appreciate the opportunity to get some perspective. It was necessary.

Wish you well my friend. I really am wishing you well.

Thats you 9/11 lost you email moving by the way.

dog,

BPS and NPS are viewed by psychiatrists as the same thing. Narcissism denies the abandonment (real or perceived) which is at its core in its made-up personae and need for grandiosity: borderlines pursue abandonment as the narrative of their life.

Both are increasingly seen as forms of psychosis.

BPS is seen as more treatable. Many therapists and psychoanalysts will not treat narcissists.

The pre-DSM description of the cause of each was that "a cord was cut" between a young child and adult.

For decades the mother was blamed as the source of the abandonment.

That is no longer the case: fathers will do the same or worse damage to children they abandon.

I know it was just a casual figure of speech but Alter had no brush with cancer: what he had was as severe and deadly a form as NHL as I've seen, mantle cell lymphoma.

Alter receieved either a bone marrow or stem cell transplant. From what he wrote about the experience it was not of the "limited" variety. He needed Nipent (a particularly chemo I take frequently) and radiation to destroy his bone marrow.... then the transplant. I don't know whether there was a family donor or if the source was his own marrow.

What he went through was exceedingly dangerous. I've refused similar procedures twice.

However... I learned something interesting from a dermatologist I know.

What there is initial rejection of the marrow or stem cell transplant there is a much greater chance of the procedure being successful.

Lakers won! On to the finals!

Understand Dog,

the new employers are so nice.....pinching myself after all the pain of the last three years. The dogs have really taken to me too. LOL I didn't even try and now they are following me everywhere and pulling on every availible peace of clothing for attention.

Obama distances himself from another clergyman:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080530/ap_on_el_pr/obama_pfleger

LS - today DNC, tomorrow FBI

Speaking of Catholics, Father Pfleger is not like any priests we ever had in our Parish. Yowsa.

On Policy , Obama breaks little new ground:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/28/AR2008052803493.html

LOL Must be the smell.. I always did attract animals!

9/11: Best wishes to you and keep up the good fight buddy!

Oh yeah. As for the Lakers win tonight...*does happy dance* just like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7tRCfSuMTY

Is America Ready for this Freak Show

"Who is next? Louis Farrakhan? Within the last three weeks Barack Obama has distanced himself from Jeremiah Wright and Michael Pfleger for intemperate remarks they have made. At least Obama had the common sense not to list Farrakhan as one of his spiritual advisors. But not so with Wright and Pfleger. Both appeared on Barack’s campaign site as “official spiritual advisors.”

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/

Dog: I am related to Antonin Scalia. Distant cousins.

dog,

A close chemosabe of mine is a dear, dear guy who is also one of the best neuroscientists in the country.

He had to fight his way through two hospitals and at least five hematologists until he could prove that his NHL had mutated into Mantle Cell.

That it had just plain terrified him.

Ally,

I just live. I don't play exceptionally close attention to anyone's clinical narrative of what my tests reveal.

I'm more capable of fixing the damage the illness and the treatment -- put them together and you get "ill treatment" -- are a little too generous with most months.

Things just get less problematic, I suppose, when we do.

dog when i said i was being facetious, it had nothing to do with any supposed inferiority of meg's post.......

9/11: More appreciated perspective this evening. Thank you.

dog,

The real successes are coming with biological treatments.

The genetically engineered Rituxan has done a great deal of good whether directly or obliquely with a number of blood-based herpes-zoster caused illnesses, starting with NHL.

More are emerging out of clinical trials and into protocols.

The limited stem cell transplants have a much reduced mortality and a much improved success rate as well.

9/11...

Good to see you! I don't know how far back you've read in today's posts, but C'Bob is reportedly alive and doing very well. I spoke with a man who is one of the owners of a gallery where Bob occasionally shows some of his work this morning, and he assured me that Bob is happily into a variety of relatively new interests that are keeping him busy...and, therefore, away from his computer. Given what we all thought, a good news day, indeed!

9/11 hang tough. I have been combing the web for any experimental stuff.....

As far as Obama, it will be quite clear in the GE that P and W embraced Obama right into their Triumph paper. He knows these two well and what they have been preaching for decades. Jackson and Farrakhan are also quite close to this circle. Obama responded primariliy because this dumb ass freind of Obama is too stupid to understand his words only turn Hillary
supports towards McCain as Dems go after centrist Democrats. By election time this behavior is going to be VERY clear to America, making Obama's centrist pivot look silly.

As many have already noted, Obama supporters are McCain's best friends. Keep up the great work and show us the real character of that chipper team of Obama and Pelosi. I can only pray that Florida delegates are split.

Suggestion of the week? Have Obama bring his uncle to meet Ahmadinejad as tell hiim what he saw. Perhaps this was the most serious story Obama over-looked on Memorial Day as he tried to appear more concerned about vets than McCain. Of course Obama has long said his record was better than Hillary's. Larry Johnson has a whole lot of facts that refute that bogus claim. It would be like Obama claiming he is the strongest supporter of Israel, or that he isn't going to run off to Iraq in order to look more credible. Hey Obama, how about meeting some European leaders and explaining his botched predictions on Pakistan and his no sanctions stance on Iran.

Now wasn't Sharon Stone calling the earthquake bad Karma from Tibet a bit like Robertson? Only difference it seems is that God used Katrina and Karma used earthquakes. In both cases innocent people suffered. Now when is OBL due his bad Karma or is he just our chicken coming home to roost. Seems there is a pattern here......

Harvey Korman died...so sad

Max,

Progress, . . no mention of A, R, K, M, Z, or A in your comments.

i guess now your political concerns are back to religion. Somewhere I thought we tried to separate the two.

Good luck with your support for General Gaffe.

Rev Pflueger has critized the white people and railed against slavery, well census records and genealogy of BHO shows his mother's white family owned slaves as well as his arab ancestors sold slaves.

BHO himself has criticed white people over slavery.
Guess he should have done some more checking on his families before opening mouth to put foot in.

Bus to nowhere! LOL

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/05/clinton-preps-p.html

Max,

I tag you a right leaner so much because of you near obsession with W and P while you've only mentioned H and P in passing. Let alone all the other hate spewing charlatans with whom McCain has been in bed.

Plus, you, Tully and friends want to parse each and every word out of Obama while you give Gramps a pass when he fails to recognize the basic nomenclatures of our enemies. You guys worry about his extended family's activities from 40 years ago. Sad.

You were pegged a McCainiac by George long ago. I think he was right. No problem with me.

That a-hole that was trying to show up Jonathan just came off as a major ASS.
Alter held his ground and was 100% believable.
And I say McClellan WAS in the know, WAS involved in meetings, and WAS an important part of the Bush team...not "some kid" as Boston radio's Michael Graham called him yesterday.
Abrams is very good at his job, as good as Matthews is.
Nice jab at Pelosi/Reid, Craig Crawford...yeah, they bit off more'n they could chew when they promised an end to the US presence in The Region.

That's a good website on the electoral college. The guys a McCain supporter too.

Hasta Manana. . . got early chores

Wait, are Kenyans Arabs? I don't understand that...