Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Boo yeah!

Where did that fake clip originate? I know Drudge posted it but does anybody know how he received it?

Ally, Newsweek's Andrew Romano takes a shot here at an autopsy of the Kantor clip hoax: http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/05/02/the-kantor-clip-and-the-divided-democrats.aspx

Ally,

That clip was all over you tube until it was taken down. I commented on it yesterday with (I think) a link to the story about it being fake.

Craig,

No mention of Guam's four delegates? : )

oh my, jamie, how could i forget Guam: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/G/GUAM_CAUCUSES?SITE=CONGRA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Craig,

Are you sure you didn't mean to use the word "divisive"? I bet it will get that way around here sooner or later.

Thanks Jamie & Craig! I saw a blip on Huff yesterday that it was fake but couldn't figure out where it originated. I did receive the e-mail with the clip several days ago...seemed suspicious right out of the gate.

yes bowmanc, maybe it should be Decidedly Divisive

Ha! True, Ally, typical.

By the way, as an old 70s meat & potatoes feminist, I always read your thoughts about the next generation with interest. Years ago I wrote an editorial called "Premeditated Divorce" -- a provocative title for an article about women who suspect their marriages are falling apart needing to plan for the inevitable: jobs, living arrangements, schools, finances, basically getting a plan before the bottom dropped out. Several of my magazine's advertisers asked me to turn the op/ed into a workshop. They'd seen some of their female employees implode because of suddenly being left. And THOSE were the women who actually had jobs!

and calling out any and all Trailspotters in Indiana and North Carolina. tell us what's happening out there . . .

Did anybody see that Dan Abrams had a whole special on MSNBC last night about the Rev. Wright scandal? I only watched a few minutes but jeez...I would think the Obama campaign would just want it to quiet down. That's why I question him going on MTP to rehash it yet again.

Patsi: Ohmigosh, I really can't believe how we have come full circle and your perspective is so interesting. I have some friends who are really suffering right now and it troubles me that so many women are choosing not to remain vibrant, self-reliant and independent. But I do see your point that even if you have a job there can be big speed bumps. I just believe that my generation thought they would be different...their husbands wouldn't leave them for the younger model. And, as a result, they don't plan either...much like previous generations. Maybe you have to be a product of divorce to make different choices (as I was.)

One of my friends just finished the book "The Ten-Year Nap." She said it addresses some of these issues (I don't know about the divorce aspect, but more about the women halting their lives aspect.)

Obama voted for a gas tax holiday in Illinois - 3 times!!

He even wanted HIS NAME on the gas pumps so all would know he supported the gas tax suspension.

What a hypocrite!

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/2/215016/4476

And Obama also lies about Hillary's plan - claiming it would lose jobs and ignore infrastructure!

Obama LIES. Period.
Like the LIE he told about the Kennedys bringing his father to America.
But we don't see those Obama lying videos on Obamedia 24/7.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/30/13655/6958

Comments
You're welcome, Nick. I almost commented on Northern Dancer in the earlier post, but stopped short so not to wax and wane with my fond reminiscences. But you've led me there in spite of myself :)

I recall a huge wall-sized oil painting of Northern Dancer on the wall of a favorite restaurant in Chesapeake City, MD, the US site of Windfields Farm where he was bred and died. I haven't been back to the area in some time, and the restaurant has since closed. No idea where the painting ended up.

Whilst in college (first time), my summer jobs were as desk clerk at a hotel that was taken over by racing people as summer housing while commuting to tracks in Maryland and Delaware. All of them - owners, trainers, jockeys, et al, ate, slept and whatever'd there if they weren't at the tracks. In those days before computers and cell phones, I manned an old-fashioned phone system which meant I had to transfer in-coming calls or take down messages manually, plus sort all their mail. Sounds like drudgery, but there was always plenty of drama and intrigue connected with the sport of kings.

Yes....I do believe we're seeing a lot of women wearing blinders, Ally. It was the same actually, during the 70s. I saw a lot of women move home and fall apart because they had no clue it could happen to them. The astonishing thing was, you never knew what marriages might go south. One of my best college friends was a beauty queen and stayed looking like one. But when she was in her early 30s, damned if her doctor husband didn't start running around with a 21 year old nurse's aid....who looked like a younger but decidedly less beautiful version of my friend. The doctor husband had also been one of my closest college friends, and one day I told him (among other things), "You've got to be the dumbest damned f**ker who ever dropped his trousers." In the end the couple got back together. Certainly not because of me, by the way. But because he somehow cured his insanity.

Chill Your Juleps. Here is the list unless someone else wants to add

Horse Crawdads & Trailmixers Post Positions Odds

Cool Coal Man - Jamie, Brian - 1 - 20/1
Tale Of Ekati - Chris - 2 - 15/1
Anak Nakal - Renee - 3 - 30/1
Court Vision - EdVb, Heather - 4 - 20/1
Eight Belles - Jee Jee, Coreen, Ally - 5 - 15/1
Z Fortune - Sock Puppet - 6 - 15/1
Big Truck - Colorado Bob - 7 - 50/1
Visionaire - EProf2, Ivy Green - 8 - 20/1
Pyro - Sturgeone, Julie, Bear - 9 - 6/1
Colonel John - Craig Crawford, Gidget - 10 - 4/1
Z Humor - Pogo, Lani, Max True - 11 - 30/1
Smooth Air - Flatus, Blonde Wino, Zooey - 12 - 20/1
Bob Black Jack - Bowman C - 13 - 20/1
Monba - Pat D - 14 - 15/1
Adriano - Corey - 15 - 30/1
Denis of Cork - Blue In Dallas, Lardass Liberal - 16 - 20/1
Cowboy Cal - Whiskey Jack - 17 - 20/1
Recapturetheglory - Ruth - 18 - 20/1
Gayego - European Tom - 19 - 15/1
Big Brown - Rezdog, Emmy, Harborwoman - 20 - 3/1

Not only was that clip fake but remember the claim that Hillary spread the picture with Obama dressed in African garb? Did anyone prove that came from Hillary? Seems like some dirty tricks by Obamaniacs...funny that the media refuses to speculate when Obama is the target as they refused to do when the Obama camp first started the racist inuendos......

Yep,

Obama's mother was conservative

Obama's father was aided by JFK

Moss is a great replacement for Wright

His notes are not on a recommendation for a total gun ban

He never voted anywhere for a gas tax holiday

He never had a clue about the opinions of Wright

He didn't know that Rezko was indicted when he helped Obama get his house

He never spoke or met Auchi

He never promised AIPAC he would support new sanctions against Iran

He never talked about using nukes on Iran

I could go on, but I think you get the point. Obama lies, filters and deflects. He started his color-blind campaign with the back drop of MLK and Lincoln. The only reason he blasted Wright was that Wright said Obama is disingenuous and will do whatever a politician finds expediant. Joesy is right as well as others. I hope Flatus has a chance to read the end of the last thread.

Yeah, Ann Dunham was really conservative. And I ask you all to read Michelle's brilliant thesis. She claims among other things that Blacks who favor and experiance intergration have no clue about the lives of the poor Black community. No wonder she thinks Obama is the smartest and most intellectual candidate running for President...ah...that would be based soley on Americans being the dumbest voting block in the Free World.

How dry is the field at the Kentucky Derby?

Go Colonel John!

Post Time 6:04 PM EST on NBC (pre-coverage starts at 4p): http://www.boston.com/sports/other_sports/horse_racing/articles/2008/05/02/access_aplenty_at_derby/

My mom never made jam. That's how I always sum up my childhood. She was a career woman and while she was a talented chef, she didn't do a lot of the Martha Stewart-type things (including making jam.) But, she did teach me a valuable lesson: Always take care of yourself. So while I often resented being a latchkey kid while nearly all of my friends' moms were waiting after school, I now know that you can do both: I make jam and I'm self-sufficient. What I see from many of my friends is just making the jam (which is fine...I love that they have that option.) I just worry that it might come back to bite them in the butt, as has already happened to several of my friends in the last year.

Jamie, I asked yesterday if you could place my pick with Colonel John. I hadn't done any research when asked to pick by LL. I reviewed the field and decided Pyro, Big Brown, Colonel John and Cork had the best shot, but decided Craig had the best sense...

could you please place my pick with Colonel John or must I face Z Humor when he shows up last?

Thanks

last year's Derby for getting in the mood: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS6q36Xqcps

If you are an Obama supporter do not read this. It will make you angry. Deval as Mass governor: a preview of an Obama presidency.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120977620145164219.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

Craig, to show my respect, I will refrain from blasting Obama until after the race. Whether Jamie chances my pick or not, I think Colonel might win it. Big Brown better break free from the start......

Some say Bob Black will lead the first quarter mile, but only a few horses seem to have the engines to go the full track pushing the higher speeds.

I was going to bet, but I thought Hillary was the more important horse. She had better do better than Belle.

Max, don't you be blasting my horse Bob Black Jack. I'll sick Brian on you.

Bowmanc, I just promised to hold off the Obama vetting until later, but yes, Duval in a LIBERAL state shows the possibilites of Obama in a divided country. Not a good omen and it shows where unsupported rhetoric and hidden inclinations gets a politician after they are elected with high expectations. Patrick is Obama's twin, but I will let Gordo follow up on that as I relax....

Bowmanc, you have sick and Brian inverted.....

I expect Bob to break out fast. I just don't think he has it in him to keep it up. We shall see.

Mr. Silly Season is sleeping off his daily hang over. I expect him shortly with the usual zip, nada, zilch, zero.

Today it is serenity now, serenity now

Are they not changing the odds? Seems they are the same.

GO Pyro

Julie

I am watching the replay of the Tom Cruise interview with Oprah from yesterday and I will say one thing I like about Tom. Oprah asks him the trait he most values in a friend and he said: Loyalty. I am surprised how little loyalty there is in politics (and a few weeks ago I shared one of my favorite moments in Jerry Maguire about loyalty...I won't bore you again with the scene.) It's almost like the word "loyalty" is seen as a bad word in the political venue...that it makes you a lapdog. I think the word has gotten a bad rap.

Ally and Patsi

I once did an article on "How Women's Lib Destroyed America". It was kind of a corollary to the subject you are discussing.

Remember all the free labor stay at home women used to provide not to mention the two "approved" careers of nursing and teachings at rock bottom wages? They were in the classrooms, hospitals, civic organizations, charities etc. The most accomplished female brains were tied to the house, school, and bedpan.

Once the chains came off they fled for higher paying jobs and personally rewarding environments. It allowed the middle class to maintain its position while keeping down costs to compete with the world, but we paid with deteriorating schools and hospitals when once free services now needed paid employees.

You can only send a new crop of workers to the work place once and then you have to find a new crop. Now to keep competitive with lower wages around the world, the children aren't leaving home after school. They are staying to help with expenses and still middle class wages are slipping while 1/10th of 1% of the population make more money than the bottom 50%.

Jamie, thanks...what a great roster...the horses too!

When I visited Avalon at Yale to read about the Cuban Missile Crisis, I was struck by the role of loyalty. I think both the Democrats and Republicans have tarnished the importance of loyalty and how it is used. Loyalty should not be used to enforce group think, yet loyalty is critical in advancing important agendas despite the necessary debates over aspects of policies. Beneath any loyalty there should be loyalty to honesty, the Constitution and the interests of the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loyalty

Also there is a video today of a tornado. I was struck by how much that looked like the one I saw up close in Ohio decades ago. Imagine that twister up close with the funnel rising above the tree tops. It was only the afternoon, but it was as dark as this video. I t happened quickly, but the image made me remember. Had I drive in the wrong direction away from it, you all might have been spared my comments.

http://video.syndication.msn.com/v/Legacy.aspx?mk=en-ap&g=26093bda-6093-4d0e-b94f-50a34338cc96&f=WASEA&partner=en-ap

Jamie: Wow...another great perspective. The relationship between the disparate distribution of wealth/status and Women's Lib is fascinating.

What I find disturbing is the lack of dialogue on this issue. Women get very defensive when these topics are brought to the table (at least in my experience.) I see the talking heads blah blah blah'ing about how we don't have an honest discussion about race in this country. Well, we don't have honest discussions about women's issues either. And that lack of discourse cannot be blamed all on men. Women don't want to talk about it either.

Max

I moved you to Colonel John

Julie

I haven't checked the morning line. I'll do that now.

I use to listen to the Ed Schultz show from Mother Jones, now I turn it on occassionally as I am so tired on his bashing of Hillary Clinton. On Friday's show all he did was talk about this video clip, he wanted it shown on the cable networks and he was outraged by the remarks. He told his listeners to go to his website so they could watch the video. He was bashing James Carville and Mickey Kantor and of course Hillary.

Callers were calling in and saying how outraged they were and he ate it up. I use to love the progressive talk radio as that was the only source I had to save my sanity. The only one I am able to listen to is Bill Press. To me progressive radio has become just like right-wing radio, they twist the truth, bash Hillary and make Obama out the victim whenever anything negative comes out about him.

I have not watched MSNBC for a couple of months and now can't even turn on my radio.

Well I hope Ed Schultz plans on apologizing! I stopped listening to Air Obama a while ago.

http://postcards.ucomics.com/get/?MsgID=a75b674f45d60ee5bb6d4d6062f85d25&site_ref=ucomics

Jamie, I spent a couple of months in Guam in the early 70s. It was an exceedingly beautiful place. Jungles so thick as to be impenetrable, wonderful beaches and a sheller's paradise.

One day a buddy and I were prowling around in a semi-jungle area and came across a Japanese tank. They had feral cats (called them boonie cats) that would approach you and then take a bite out of your finger if you went to scratch their heads. Monster iguanas, lots of B-52s and submarines, etc.

People call it a small island, Sure can't tell that once you are there. I'd sure hate walking around it.

Now, Wake, that's one small island. But, that's a story for another day.

Jamie -- Eight Belles for me.

I'm not seriously betting on the horse -- just supporting Hillary. Since I'm not going to the Gold Cup this year, might as well do juleps a home with the derby on the telly.

For those wondering about gas prices.. I found this article on Yahoo money

http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/104996/Why-Gas-in-the-U.S.-Is-So-Cheap

It states that the most expensive place to buy a gallon of gas is: Bosnia-Herzegovina at $10.86

In Belgium, we are the 8th most expensive with a gallon of gas costing $8.22

The United States, in contrast, is 111th most expensive out of 155 countries. Americans' lust for bigger and better things, (huge gas guzzling cars) houses with long commutes from work, rejection of public transport, etc. makes the effect stronger on the American lifestyle. And we have only ourselves to blame as we've seen warning signs for years (that's my own editiorializing btw).

I've read that there has been no campaigning in Guam... not even by any surrogates???

Patsi, what ever happened to the word 'cad'? When said with absolute scorn, it fit so perfectly in describing a, I'm at a loss for words, a CAD!!

Flatus - I have been to Wake Island. It was an emergency landing when our plane's engines caught fire. We were there for about three days waiting for another plan to pick us up. Beautiful beach, crystal water with tons of sea cucumbers, which were strange looking creatures.

I have a small about of real money for all my family members on

Cool Coal Man
Black Jack Bob
Tale of Ekati
Z Fortune

Any of them would pay well if they manage to get around the track first.

Obama is up in Guam!!

"With 7 out of 19 villages reporting, Obama leads with 497 votes (55.3 percent) to 401 votes for Clinton (44.7 percent)."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

I think the "kool-aid" metaphor is one of the most overused in blog discussions...

Warren you gotta wonder what's taking so long to count the Guam vote!

Divalicias, the memories are old enough that they're getting foggy. The shack that was the snack bar run by Pan Am was probably the most memorable thing. Surely a leftover from the clipper sea plane days.

Three days would have had to have been like two weeks.

Nick: Yes, the louder thing was in full display at my caucus. I have compared it to a pep rally. It was just all so, well, dumb. And, it served to intimidate many of the older caucus goers which really bothered me. Those people should be able to fill out a ballot without all the RAH RAH RAH, YES WE CAN jargin.

Here is the deal: I am not a dreamer and I never have been. I do think that my cynical side comes out when confronted with all of this warm and fuzzy speak. It reminds me of when I was researching preschools for my kids and we went to this one little Christian school. There was a lot of Jesus Makes Me Happy singing etc. The hair on my neck stood up a little because I didn't want my kids to think Jesus (or anyone or anything) would make them happy all the time. First of all, we aren't meant to be happy all the time. And when we set our kids up to think that they SHOULD be happy, it just fosters disappointment and then off to the medicine cabinet for Prozac. I see some parents doing that "happy talk" with their kids all the time (and very LOUDLY too.) It makes me want to scream.

You need to make yourself happy. No politician or movement is going to do that for you.

And, by the way, I know that Barack is calling on me to dispense with my cynisism and Believe. I got the memo.

Greetings from the desert:

We should have more horse races around here, the place seems almost normal.

Ivy Green welcome aboard "our" horse. Ivy, come on over to my blog and introduce yourself. Sometimes it's hard to get through the hundreds of posts here on CL for introductions.

Good luck everybody.

Max: Thanks for your thoughts on loyalty. I think it has gotten a bad rap. I am still in contact with all of the people who have given me breaks and helped me and mentored me along the way. I am forever grateful.

Well, let me add an usual comment. Gender roles are still deeply ingrained. I have heard many comments from female foreigners (India, France, Africa, Latinos, Russians) that female body hair here is harshly regarded as dirty, manly and generally frowned upon. It is completely censored by media and most film. This speaks to the issue of gender roles and male's expectation of what women should look like. Even most women are brainwashed into this conditioning. To say this is simply related to conscious aesthetics is rubbish as some men in NYC I notice remove most of their body hair and no one says that is unmanly.

I suppose when some actress finally accepts an Oscar with hairy armpits, we might well be on the way past the social conditioning that still drives the restrainsts on women and men. The fact this issue isn't even discussed speaks to the depth of the male/female divide. When our most bodily functions are regulated by silent decree, don't expect open and rational discussion about political and economic emancipation.

Well Hillary's 4 point lead in the daily Gallup didn't last very long:

Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are tied at 47% in the preferences of national Democrats for the nomination.

http://gallup.com/

Nick:

The pubs came to me! We spent last weekend and earlier this week at a conference with nightly fare put on by our 50 closest friends and colleagues from London... (btw, they want Obama - they don't like McCain, and are afraid we'll set Bill loose in the White House again.)

Also, I couldn't get C-Span on my tv last night, so I ended up watching "That Mitchell and Webb Look" on BBCAmerica...that must've done it for me...!

Ally,

There is a great E. M. Forster quote about loyalty:

Given the choice between betraying my country and betraying my friend, I hope I would have the courage to betray my country.

Wino, Zoey

I sent a keg of beer over to the jockeys' lounge. Told the trainer to get with ours and let him know that we'd tar-and-feather him if he was so much as to touch a drop of it.

I figure we'll all be drinking Champaign around 6:30!

Thanks Ally and thanks Jamie.

I do find the quote a bit useless out of context. Would I betray a friend if that friend betrayed my country? We're not talking Billy Budd here. Again, if I had to pick between bretraying my contry by selling secrets to China or betraying my firend by telling his wife he was a treat, I would certainly choose the latter.

It is always in context, yes?

Loyalty to a Party or a candidate should never trump loyalty to what you believe are the best interests of the nationa. Just my thoughts. So far that has made me loyal at the voting booth to Democrats. Let us see if that changes.....

LOL.....Let's try that again.....

I do find the quote a bit useless out of context. Would I betray a friend if that friend betrayed my country? We're not talking Billy Budd here. Again, if I had to pick between bretraying my country by selling secrets to China or betraying my friend by telling his wife he was a cheat, I would certainly choose the latter.

It is always in context, yes?

Loyalty to a Party or a candidate should never trump loyalty to what you believe are the best interests of the nation. Just my thoughts. So far that has made me loyal at the voting booth to Democrats. Let us see if that changes.....

E Prof 2

I only do it for the triple crown. Anyone who wants to do imaginary races on their own can go here for the
entries

http://www.equibase.com/static/entry/index.html

and here for the results

http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/quick/index.html

A funny joke from Conan O'Brien:

"Former Governor Eliot Spitzer, you all remember him. He had a little problem not too long ago. He's back in the news, ladies and gentlemen. This is good news for me. Former New York Governor Eliot Spitzer is reportedly gonna write a book about his hooker scandal. Apparently, that's true. That's what I hear, yeah. Yeah, the good news about Spitzer's book: apparently, it has a happy ending." --Conan O'Brien

Max, if it's a choice of winning with another candidate or sticking with a friend who's going through a rough patch and may lose, then sticking is the only option.

Max:

I say its unmanly.

Jamie, I knew that having participated in past years. The three races are more than enough for me not being a horse race fan nor a bettor.

CQ predicts a slight lead for Hillary in Indiana, certainly not the blow-out most of us thinks she needs. Does anyone have more up-to-date information?

ET I'm warming up my crystal ball, give me a few minutes.

Flatus noted and agreed but I think my logic supports your idea...

Warren, not for me, but not because it is unmanly, but rather unnatural.

I remember the male swimmers at my college shaved and no one called them unmanly. I often notice the mean remarks men make in private about unshaven women and suspect this is more a reaction to what they see as threatening behavior than offenses to their sense of beauty...LOL Certainly just sixty years ago we wouln't find such a strong reaction and we should focus some of the conditioning on what was discussed in Brave New World Revisited. Don't underestimate the role of hormones and phermones. Testosterone is certainly on the rise in women........

perfume was originally promoted to disturb the natural communication of phermones. Men didn't like signals they couldn'y control.

What a joke, Hillary is sending Steve Elmendorf to sell her gas tax plan. Who is Steve Elmendorf you may ask, well he's a lobbyist (go figure) and who is one of his biggest clients, Shell Oil! Among Mr. Elmendorf's accomplishments:

Also in 2006, Elmendorf gave his support to U.S. Senator Joe Lieberman's independent re-election bid after Lieberman lost the Democratic primary. Elmendorf was listed on Lieberman's campaign Web site as part of the "national chapter" of "Dems for Joe"[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Elmendorf

Flatus,
Nice plan on the jockeys. They are so small it probably won't take much to get them drunk. I am hoping for some "Smooth Air" this afternoon.

Ally:

You do not have to buy into the "warm and fuzzy" inspiration aspect of the Obama campaign. That stuff is nice to get more people to pay attention - and I get a kick out of it myself - but that is not all there is to Barack Obama.

You may think that Obama is as polarizing and divisive as Hillary Clinton - but it just is not true. Obama is a calculating politician just like the rest of them. And he has calculated that the way to make real change in this Country is to move past the divisive partisan politics that has become the status quo in Washington. (This is not some new slogan cooked up for this campaign - it is what he spoke about at the 2004 Convention and what he wrote an entire book about.)

No one is saying dealing with the challenges this Country faces is going to be easy. But we sure as hell will be better served by our leaders in Washington working together to find the best sollutions instead of tearing down each other's ideas and credibility.

Obama has also shown incredbile political talents in tangling with the Clintons during this hotly contested nomination race. And McCain is no Hillary Clinton - plus McCain will have Bush's endorsement instead of Bill Clinton stumping all over the place for him.

So I think Obama can stand toe-to-toe with McCain after seeing him take on Hillary. I also think he puts a lot of so-called "Red States" in play. And gaining support for the Democratic agenda all over this Country - not just in the "big states" - is the only way to push that agenda through the inevitable Right Wing resistance.

Regarding Brian's comment on Steve Elmendorf and Hillary's gas tax plan, I once again provide this comment made by me a bit earlier.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/05/dems-face-another-decisive-wee.html#comment-76452

Two weeks after Lamont announced his U.S. Senate bid in March 2006, Obama flew to Connecticut to loudly endorse Lieberman. As the keynote speaker at the Connecticut Democratic Party's $175-per-head Jefferson Jackson Bailey Dinner, Obama proclaimed: "I know some in the party have differences with Joe. I'm going to go ahead and say it. I am absolutely certain Connecticut is going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the U.S. Senate so he can continue to serve on our behalf."
http://www.minnpost.com/stories/2007/12/17/386/the_hidden_politics_behind_liebermans_endorsement_of_republican_mccain

And Ann Dunham was conservative...LOL. Love how you gloss over the top part of this thread. Drink up my boy....

So THAT was what he wrote an entire book about...I didn't realize...

I'll save my comments until after today's more ingenuos horse race.

Well Loserman, that should stump Brian for a while and Warren too. Lieberman was Obama's mentor at the same time Wright was. Go figure.......

Seems Obama didn't strike out at Joe like he has at Hillary and Joe was far more vocal in support of going to Iraq. Yep, something for some posters here to chew on. Seems some standards of consitency don't apply to remarks Obama made "himselves".

Later all, estimates for others are calling. See you back at race time...

Obama a chicken?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFArdWcqssc

Words matter...

http://pundits.thehill.com/2008/05/02/the-politics-of-poetry/#more-2938

Obama has also shown incredbile political talents in tangling with the Clintons during this hotly contested nomination race.

Posted by: warren | May 3, 2008 2:18 PM

Certainly he's done well with most of the MSM servicing him on bended knee. From the moment the Iowa caucus results were known, the MSM was basically writing Hillary's political obituary. I don't think arrogantly saying that he could get most of Hillary's supporters but the same couldn't be said for her about his supporters shows incredible political talents.

Obama irritates me because he sounds like a Sunday morning tele-evangelist. Maybe his "incredible political talents" has been to take most of Hillary's positions and claim them as his own. On the gas tax, I think Obama is right. I will almost certainly vote for him if he gets the nomination. Inspiring? Anything new is inspiring to young people... and they grow out of it RAPIDLY.

Big Brown will go wire to wire from the outside. if it' s sloppy; the only ones to worry about mud in their face are the 19 behind him.

Later all, you know where i'm headed!
Good luck suckers LOL

Oh yeah, I forgot Warren. Refusing to debate does not show incredible political talent. It shows fear.

Euro Tom -- With the gas prices so high in Belgium, how do you manage to make a living selling it? What makes it so high? Taxes?

I think Hill's No Gas Tax idea is a good one, politically. In Virginia we DEMs missed the boat and lost a governor's race when the GOP candidate discovered that the personal property tax on vehicles so unpopular. He came up with a three word slogan "No Car Tax" and won -- getting a lot of DEM votes in the process. People don't want to hear why a tax is good for them to pay, and DEMs lose everytime we try to advocate for higher taxes. Remember the Tsongas campaign -- "I stand for higher taxes?" What a disaster that was!

The question is who did Obama support after the Democrats of Conn. picked their candidate, not in the primary battle.

"n any event, Obama, like Clinton, abandoned Lieberman in the general election after Lamont won the Democratic primary."

And max you might want to ignore the Shell Oil connection, the voters will not. The gas tax holiday is shabby, plain and simple, spin it anyway you like.

79% of the Guam vote in and Obama ahead by 6!

Brian --When DEMs push for taxes we lose.

Gordo:

That is one of the stupidest things I have ever seen and it shows how childish some of the Clintonites can be.

It reminds me of something Brian wrote awhile back...

*pink princess phone rings*

"Hello"

"Jenny!! Did you hear!! Barack and Michelle got voted king and queen of the prom!!"

"No way!! I thought it was supposed to be Hillary and Bill!!"

"I know!! I hate Barack and Michelle!!"

"Me too!!"

(this was re-created - it probably would have taken me 2 hours to find the actual post in the archives ; )

Alicia when politicians show such contempt for the electorate they lose. Hillary is promising something she cannot deliver on, disgusting.

Alicia, yes it is mostly taxes. And the sad thing is, I make 1 euro cent per litre. But if someone drives away without paying, I have to pay it myself. With prices higher than ever, this can be a real disaster for the station operators such as myself. I've tried to get the company to do a "pay first" system but they won't hear of it. One of my colleagues actually started listing publicly license plates of people who have driven off without paying but that is against "privacy laws". The criminals are protected, not the franchise holders. It sucks... I've got good health care and a relationship, and a decent enough apartment, but I am frustrated by how much our little country is a vacation place for criminals and thieves.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, the more litres I sell the less per litre I get. So now it is under 1 euro cent. Go figure. I make my money on the shop and the litres are just enough to pay my salary.

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EuroTom:

"Refusing to debate does not show incredible political talent. It shows fear."

It show Obama is winning.

(You don't see John McCain debating Ron Paul - do you?)

Hey - did you hear Ron Paul saying that he could not endorse McCain because of his support for the Iraq War. Paul will support Obama - and he has still been getting about 10% of the votes against McCain in the primaries. Most of those votes are going to Obama.

warren ---------------------

Do you know that "Bush the First" was harassed by guys dressed up in chicken suits (92 campaign)?

Jamie
please see my post at 8:47 this am to you.
Max
the rain gauge measured 11/2 inches today just 60+ miles from the track... however, it's expected to dry out some before the big race. Only the inexperienced are scared of a little mud. Comes with the territory.
Go Eight Belles go!

Alicia is also right Brian. Remember Walter Mondale said in his acceptance speech. "Let's tell the truth. It must be done, it must be done. Mr. Reagan will raise taxes, and so will I. He won't tell you. I just did."

Now I was inspired by that speech but if you endorse raising taxes from the get-go, it's a losing proposition. It only worked when Bill Clinton showed how little the rich paid taxes and he pushed an increase on them and middle class tax relief for the rest. Even then, many Democrats lost their seats in the mid-term election.

nick:

You characterization of Obama as an "empty suit" is a gross under estimation of your opponent.

This is a mistake the Clinton campaign has made throughout this primary. What does that say about her judgment. (Toss in her over estimation of Bush's capacity to engage in meaningful diplomacy in Iraq - and there are serious questions about her judgment.)

Well Warren I disagree. Arrogantly proclaiming that Hillary's supporters will go to him if he gets the nomination but the same cannot be said for his supporters going to her was not "incredible political talent". In fact, recently polling suggests that his supporters are more likely to support Hillary than the other way around. Nonetheless, when this stage of the process is over, those of us who find it difficult to even conceive of voting for Obama, will need to find the strength to do so if we want to protect the Federal Courts. That is truly my one and only motivation. In other words, I feel totally blackmailed to support the default nominee.

I should add, "should he win the nomination" which I still think is likely.

Max:

Condeleez Rice was just on C-SPAN making some good points about dealing with terrorism at a talk to the American Jewish Committee.

She said that America does not agree with the statement that one person's terrorists are another's freedom fighters. She also said a political group needs to decide if it is going to be a political organization or a terrorist group - but it cannot be both.

I agree with those sentiments.

(And just because I supported Carter's private efforts to meet with the leaders of Hamas - does not mean I agree with everything Carter said when he got back.)

EuroTom:

If it is only your conscience that is the cause for your blackmail - then I can't say I am too concerned.

So Tom you applaud Hillary's pandering and promising something she can't deliver?

Warren -------------------------

"That is one of the stupidest things I have ever seen and it shows how childish some of the Clintonites can be."

From your reaction, it's clear that the "Chicken" attack is very effective - need more of this. Obama is an empty suit - he can read a prepared speech and con the gullible.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-ace3-2008may03,0,6475519,full.story

Clinton Consultant "Ace" Smith feared and admired.

Director of her crucial North Carolina campaign, he's equal parts opposition researcher and top-notch strategist.

By Robin Abcarian, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
May 3, 2008

Brian? you mean the gas tax relief? Probably not. I prefer that the USA takes a "moon shot mentality" to find a real alternative to reliance on middle eastern oil. Easier said than done.

I was just saying that Alicia has a point. Promising to reduce gas taxes will at least appear more proactive to families already struggling to meet obligations.

Warren...

As if often the case in politics, Obama may well be "the lesser of two EVILS" and nothing more. I keep hoping for something better.

Hillary's "experience":

http://www.charlotte.com/409/story/607790.html

ET I'm not sure you're right, there is a reason Obama is pushing hard on the this issue and it goes to the very core of what people don't like about the Clintons.

Early programming for Churchill Downs now on ESPN. The network will take over for the big race.

Euro Tom -- Thanks for the info about the gas situation in Belgium. Can't believe your company won't even let you require that people pay first before they pump. When I first moved below the Sweet Tea line, it was pretty standard that you could pump then pay. Now it's the opposite. Plus people automatically lose their driver's licenses if they're caught driving off without paying.

On the gas tax holiday, criticizing a candidate because she is telling the voters what they want to hear -- because they have a need -- that's like the GOP criticizing DEMs for pushing for Universal Health Care. When people don't have health care and politicians tell them they will enact universal helath care -- isn't that pandering too?

Pander me baby, PANDER ME.

Hey gang... I found a couple of interesting articles ... This one from U.S. News and World Reports about the whole Superdelegate system:

The Superdelegate Showdown Might be Key to the Democratic Nomination
Both Clinton and Obama are fighting for support from this key group

By Kenneth T. Walsh
Posted May 2, 2008

At least once a week, each superdelegate to the Democratic National Convention gets a special phone call. It might be from Hillary or Bill Clinton. It might be from their daughter, Chelsea, or campaign honcho Harold Ickes, or some other big shot from Hillaryland. But someone will call. In fact, six staffers are assigned to make sure the contacts are made and to keep track of the delegates' mood swings. "You walk a fine line," Ickes says. "You don't want to be a pest, but on the other hand you don't want them to think you're ignoring them."

ttp://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/05/02/the-superdelegate-showdown-might-be-key-to-the-democratic-nomination.html

The other one is about right-wing attacks on Democrats and political symbolism:

POLITICAL MEMO
In ’88, a Lesson on Using Symbols as Bludgeons

By ROBIN TONER
Published: May 4, 2008
WASHINGTON — Sometimes, as Senator Barack Obama seemed to argue earlier this year, a flag pin is just a flag pin.

Senator Barack Obama, campaigning last week in Charlotte, N.C., may find himself portrayed by Republicans as unpatriotic.
But it can never be that simple for anyone with direct experience of the 1988 presidential campaign. That year, the Republicans used the symbols of nationhood (notably, whether schoolchildren should be required to recite the Pledge of Allegiance) to bludgeon the Democrats, challenge their patriotism and utterly redefine their nominee, Gov. Michael S. Dukakis of Massachusetts.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/04/us/politics/04memo.html?_r=1&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=all

As I post, I'm listening to another discussion of the Sinclair/ Young/Obama murder mystery on a netcast.

I'm enjoying the discussion today. I wanted to go watch this DVD set I bought of an old 1954 Sherlock Holmes TV series. It's def. dated but a bit of fun.

Brian, I just noticed your reply about the suit you wore. Thanks. Regardless, I thought you look very dapper in the picture, and your mother looks both very proud and very classy!

Obama's on CNN -- telling people he doesn't take one dime of lobbyist corporate money. Is he lying or did he not see the WSJ article delineating his extensive corporate donations.

He is also lying about the Clinton gas tax holiday -- saying it will take money out of infrastructure improvements and cost jobs. Her gas tax holiday will not do this -- McCain's will.

Thanks ET, my mother is the cloths horse from hell!

Alicia,

Judge Judy says it best, "Liar, liar pants on fire!!".

86% of Guam reporting, Obama still ahead by 6 points.

I wonder if the Guam reporting includes absentee from the Mainland and from military forces. Each are significant percentages of the population.

BTW Jamie,
At the age of 50 my mother returned to school and got her degree in nursing. She retired 3 weeks ago, over the past 27 years she has repeatedly returned to class to maintain her certification. I seriously think she'd find it odd that you think of her profession in such low terms.

billy bush is doin a decent job of the Derby red carpet thing on NBC -- very low key compare to oscars, kinda nice -- and all the women wearin hats

Brian,

I think very highly of nurses, my aunt was one. I was talking about the fact that in fairly recent history, nursing and teaching were the only socially "acceptable" professions for educated women.

You do have a talent for finding the negative.

Good for her Brian!

I didn't read Jamie's remarks as demeaning her profession and the teaching profession. I thought she was being very rightfully critical of American society that considered those the only two professions suitable for women who worked outside of the home.

It was especially demeaning of those women who had picked-up every vacant male manufacturing position as the men were called to active duty during WW-II.

Surely Mr Obama's grandmother would understand those feelings.

took me forever to find espn......what network is it on?

95% reporting, Obama still up by 6

ahh......NBC........never mind

And, Brian, I hope to heaven that your mom worked that long past normal retirement age as a matter of choice rather than necessity.

Where I lived in Florida there were many women on their own her were woefully unequipped for their retirement.

As an example, it was common for women to leave their husband's investment portfolio unchanged even after they had been widowed for years. Obviously, that was often a recipe for financial disaster.

And elderly people are often preyed upon by unscrupulous 'professionals' of every persuasion. It was more than once that the sons or daughters of elderly people would come to city hall asking what recourse they had after the fact. You know the answer to that without me telling you.

NBC

joe piscopo fahcryin' out loud......

Final List for network coverage in five minutes.

Horse Crawdads & Trailmixers Post Positions Odds

Cool Coal Man - Jamie, Brian - 1 - 20/1
Tale Of Ekati - Chris - 2 - 15/1
Anak Nakal - Renee - 3 - 30/1
Court Vision - EdVb, Heather - 4 - 20/1
Eight Belles - Jee Jee, Coreen, Ally, Divalicious, Patd - 5 - 15/1
Z Fortune - Sock Puppet - 6 - 15/1
Big Truck - Colorado Bob - 7 - 50/1
Visionaire - EProf2, Ivy Green - 8 - 20/1
Pyro - Sturgeone, Julie, Bear - 9 - 6/1
Colonel John - Craig Crawford, Gidget, Max True - 10 - 4/1
Z Humor - Pogo, Lani - 11 - 30/1
Smooth Air - Flatus, Blonde Wino, Zooey - 12 - 20/1
Bob Black Jack - Bowman C - 13 - 20/1
Monba - Pat D - 14 - 15/1
Adriano - Corey - 15 - 30/1
Denis of Cork - Blue In Dallas, Lardass Liberal - 16 - 20/1
Cowboy Cal - Whiskey Jack - 17 - 20/1
Recapturetheglory - Ruth - 18 - 20/1
Gayego - European Tom - 19 - 15/1
Big Brown - Rezdog, Emmy, Harborwoman - 20 - 3/1

Wouldn't know how Obama's grandmother would feel about it. My own maternal grandmother who was widowed in her 40s and left with a young child to support managed to work her way up to becoming the director of Cartier's NY store and didn't remarry until she was almost 60. This notion that so many of you seem to have about me as having a problem with Hillary because I have a problem with strong women is just absurd.

damn this opening package on costas coverage was totally amazing, wish i had taped it

my man, colonel john, has great pole position

watching these old races is nice......like seeing old Ali fights.......

owen hardy is a genius trainer btw, that's why i picked colonel john

camptown race track 5 miles long.......doo-dah, doo-dah
camptown racetrack 5 miles long, all doo-dah day....
going to run all night, going to run all day.
Bet my money onna bob-tail nag........somebody bet on the bay.

the greatest horse who ever raced was Man-O-War: http://z.about.com/d/horseracing/1/0/0/a/manowar2.jpg

now you tell us.

lol

Oh stewball was a racehorse, and I wish he were mine.
He never drank water, he always drank wine.

One fleeting clip of Barbaro was all it took to send me to the "waterworks.' Now that's out of the way, maybe I can settle down to watch today's race...

"Visionaire - EProf2, Ivy Green - 8 - 20/1"

EProf2, looks like it's just me and you kid on this one...I'm pulling for Barbaro's trainer, Michael Matz...

I had several of those little board games where you thump the needle and whichever horse it stops on you advance your little plastic nag one space......I wore 'em out .....the names I remember are Whirlaway, Gallant Fox, and Man o' War.....

Brian in NYC -- Your mother is supporting Hillary -- she just doesn't want to tell you.

nobody loves me but my mother........and she might be jivin' too.........

---BB King

Man of War was a great horse, but my all time favorite was Big Red

http://www.secretariat.com/

Wrong again Alicia, in my family my mother and me are the only one's supporting Obama, my other siblings and their spouses are supporting Hillary. However my 20 y/o is all out for Obama! He's a good kid

what a head fake, everyone thinks colonel john hasn't raced on dirt. but they've been training him on dirt all along. big brown's gang took the bait

20 y/o nephew is supporting Obama.

Jamie

Me too...every time I see the replay of the Belmont, I start crying. And forget watching the ESPN Greatest Athletes without a box of klennex.
Sniff.
~Gidget

Jamie -- I'm with you on Secretariat -- I drive by the Meadow Farm on my way to Kings Dominion every week during the summer. It's going to be the site of the VA State Fair now.

Brian -- My 18 year old son is a Clinton delegate. So there.

my dear old dying ma with her final breaths is praying for john mccain to win......

Interesting read on the "gas tax holiday".

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/03/opinion/03collins.html

And she makes a good point about McCain's claim that he is going to pay for "everything" by cutting pork barrel spending in Washington. It is his go to move no matter what the issue is.

and no..........she does NOT like John McCain..........

Whew! A 17 hands filly! What did they feed her as a baby?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yJaz74q05M

I'd like to know where they found that many tiny guys......

If you love me like you say...why you treat me like you do? - Albert Collins

that dappled grey was beautiful........

They are small only in height...their personalities fill up the room and make them seem bigger-than-life.

my hair's still curly and my eyes are still blue......so why dont you love me like you used to do......

well, I aint had a kiss since I fell out of my crib.....I feel like been cheated outa my rib......

--Hank Sr

The sun shines bright on my old Kentucky home,
Tis summer, and people are gay;
The corn-top's ripe and the meadow's in the bloom
While the birds make music all the day.

The young folks roll on the little cabin floor
All merry, all happy and bright;
By'n by hard times comes a knocking at the door
Then my old Kentucky home, Good-night!

Weep no more my lady. Oh! Weep no more today!
We will sing one song for my old Kentucky home
For my old Kentucky home, far away.

I swear......it just looked like one of those guys was riding sidesaddle.......

thank for that, Alice Knight

that u tube I posted back a ways was paul robeson singing "my old kentucky home"......i forgot to title it.....

That horse race earlier today was great! Who would have thought a horse that was that far behind could win?

ah, but corey, hanging behind is the secret to winning

Wonder how much the jockeys get paid to have NetJets splashed across their britches?

Give false hope to the others , Craig?

Indiana? Big deal. An upset in North Carolina? Who cares? Hillary takes Oregon? Yawn.

No, if she wants to stay in the race she needs to win those contest plus get on a motorcycle and jump a line of 16 cargo vans, a twenty foot long box of rattle snakes, and two mountain lions. And I want to see her do it with one hand tied behind her back. Wearing a pink pants suit.

Then MAYBE they'll stop hollering for her to get out.
At least for a few days.