Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Boo yeah!

Where did that fake clip originate? I know Drudge posted it but does anybody know how he received it?

Ally, Newsweek's Andrew Romano takes a shot here at an autopsy of the Kantor clip hoax: http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/05/02/the-kantor-clip-and-the-divided-democrats.aspx

Ally,

That clip was all over you tube until it was taken down. I commented on it yesterday with (I think) a link to the story about it being fake.

Craig,

No mention of Guam's four delegates? : )

oh my, jamie, how could i forget Guam: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/G/GUAM_CAUCUSES?SITE=CONGRA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Craig,

Are you sure you didn't mean to use the word "divisive"? I bet it will get that way around here sooner or later.

Thanks Jamie & Craig! I saw a blip on Huff yesterday that it was fake but couldn't figure out where it originated. I did receive the e-mail with the clip several days ago...seemed suspicious right out of the gate.

yes bowmanc, maybe it should be Decidedly Divisive

Ha! True, Ally, typical.

By the way, as an old 70s meat & potatoes feminist, I always read your thoughts about the next generation with interest. Years ago I wrote an editorial called "Premeditated Divorce" -- a provocative title for an article about women who suspect their marriages are falling apart needing to plan for the inevitable: jobs, living arrangements, schools, finances, basically getting a plan before the bottom dropped out. Several of my magazine's advertisers asked me to turn the op/ed into a workshop. They'd seen some of their female employees implode because of suddenly being left. And THOSE were the women who actually had jobs!

and calling out any and all Trailspotters in Indiana and North Carolina. tell us what's happening out there . . .

Did anybody see that Dan Abrams had a whole special on MSNBC last night about the Rev. Wright scandal? I only watched a few minutes but jeez...I would think the Obama campaign would just want it to quiet down. That's why I question him going on MTP to rehash it yet again.

Patsi: Ohmigosh, I really can't believe how we have come full circle and your perspective is so interesting. I have some friends who are really suffering right now and it troubles me that so many women are choosing not to remain vibrant, self-reliant and independent. But I do see your point that even if you have a job there can be big speed bumps. I just believe that my generation thought they would be different...their husbands wouldn't leave them for the younger model. And, as a result, they don't plan either...much like previous generations. Maybe you have to be a product of divorce to make different choices (as I was.)

One of my friends just finished the book "The Ten-Year Nap." She said it addresses some of these issues (I don't know about the divorce aspect, but more about the women halting their lives aspect.)

Obama voted for a gas tax holiday in Illinois - 3 times!!

He even wanted HIS NAME on the gas pumps so all would know he supported the gas tax suspension.

What a hypocrite!

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/2/215016/4476

And Obama also lies about Hillary's plan - claiming it would lose jobs and ignore infrastructure!

Obama LIES. Period.
Like the LIE he told about the Kennedys bringing his father to America.
But we don't see those Obama lying videos on Obamedia 24/7.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/30/13655/6958

Comments
You're welcome, Nick. I almost commented on Northern Dancer in the earlier post, but stopped short so not to wax and wane with my fond reminiscences. But you've led me there in spite of myself :)

I recall a huge wall-sized oil painting of Northern Dancer on the wall of a favorite restaurant in Chesapeake City, MD, the US site of Windfields Farm where he was bred and died. I haven't been back to the area in some time, and the restaurant has since closed. No idea where the painting ended up.

Whilst in college (first time), my summer jobs were as desk clerk at a hotel that was taken over by racing people as summer housing while commuting to tracks in Maryland and Delaware. All of them - owners, trainers, jockeys, et al, ate, slept and whatever'd there if they weren't at the tracks. In those days before computers and cell phones, I manned an old-fashioned phone system which meant I had to transfer in-coming calls or take down messages manually, plus sort all their mail. Sounds like drudgery, but there was always plenty of drama and intrigue connected with the sport of kings.

Yes....I do believe we're seeing a lot of women wearing blinders, Ally. It was the same actually, during the 70s. I saw a lot of women move home and fall apart because they had no clue it could happen to them. The astonishing thing was, you never knew what marriages might go south. One of my best college friends was a beauty queen and stayed looking like one. But when she was in her early 30s, damned if her doctor husband didn't start running around with a 21 year old nurse's aid....who looked like a younger but decidedly less beautiful version of my friend. The doctor husband had also been one of my closest college friends, and one day I told him (among other things), "You've got to be the dumbest damned f**ker who ever dropped his trousers." In the end the couple got back together. Certainly not because of me, by the way. But because he somehow cured his insanity.

Not only was that clip fake but remember the claim that Hillary spread the picture with Obama dressed in African garb? Did anyone prove that came from Hillary? Seems like some dirty tricks by Obamaniacs...funny that the media refuses to speculate when Obama is the target as they refused to do when the Obama camp first started the racist inuendos......

Yep,

Obama's mother was conservative

Obama's father was aided by JFK

Moss is a great replacement for Wright

His notes are not on a recommendation for a total gun ban

He never voted anywhere for a gas tax holiday

He never had a clue about the opinions of Wright

He didn't know that Rezko was indicted when he helped Obama get his house

He never spoke or met Auchi

He never promised AIPAC he would support new sanctions against Iran

He never talked about using nukes on Iran

I could go on, but I think you get the point. Obama lies, filters and deflects. He started his color-blind campaign with the back drop of MLK and Lincoln. The only reason he blasted Wright was that Wright said Obama is disingenuous and will do whatever a politician finds expediant. Joesy is right as well as others. I hope Flatus has a chance to read the end of the last thread.

Yeah, Ann Dunham was really conservative. And I ask you all to read Michelle's brilliant thesis. She claims among other things that Blacks who favor and experiance intergration have no clue about the lives of the poor Black community. No wonder she thinks Obama is the smartest and most intellectual candidate running for President...ah...that would be based soley on Americans being the dumbest voting block in the Free World.

How dry is the field at the Kentucky Derby?

Go Colonel John!

Post Time 6:04 PM EST on NBC (pre-coverage starts at 4p): http://www.boston.com/sports/other_sports/horse_racing/articles/2008/05/02/access_aplenty_at_derby/

My mom never made jam. That's how I always sum up my childhood. She was a career woman and while she was a talented chef, she didn't do a lot of the Martha Stewart-type things (including making jam.) But, she did teach me a valuable lesson: Always take care of yourself. So while I often resented being a latchkey kid while nearly all of my friends' moms were waiting after school, I now know that you can do both: I make jam and I'm self-sufficient. What I see from many of my friends is just making the jam (which is fine...I love that they have that option.) I just worry that it might come back to bite them in the butt, as has already happened to several of my friends in the last year.

Jamie, I asked yesterday if you could place my pick with Colonel John. I hadn't done any research when asked to pick by LL. I reviewed the field and decided Pyro, Big Brown, Colonel John and Cork had the best shot, but decided Craig had the best sense...

could you please place my pick with Colonel John or must I face Z Humor when he shows up last?

Thanks

last year's Derby for getting in the mood: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS6q36Xqcps

If you are an Obama supporter do not read this. It will make you angry. Deval as Mass governor: a preview of an Obama presidency.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120977620145164219.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

Craig, to show my respect, I will refrain from blasting Obama until after the race. Whether Jamie chances my pick or not, I think Colonel might win it. Big Brown better break free from the start......

Some say Bob Black will lead the first quarter mile, but only a few horses seem to have the engines to go the full track pushing the higher speeds.

I was going to bet, but I thought Hillary was the more important horse. She had better do better than Belle.

Bowmanc, I just promised to hold off the Obama vetting until later, but yes, Duval in a LIBERAL state shows the possibilites of Obama in a divided country. Not a good omen and it shows where unsupported rhetoric and hidden inclinations gets a politician after they are elected with high expectations. Patrick is Obama's twin, but I will let Gordo follow up on that as I relax....

Are they not changing the odds? Seems they are the same.

GO Pyro

Julie

I am watching the replay of the Tom Cruise interview with Oprah from yesterday and I will say one thing I like about Tom. Oprah asks him the trait he most values in a friend and he said: Loyalty. I am surprised how little loyalty there is in politics (and a few weeks ago I shared one of my favorite moments in Jerry Maguire about loyalty...I won't bore you again with the scene.) It's almost like the word "loyalty" is seen as a bad word in the political venue...that it makes you a lapdog. I think the word has gotten a bad rap.

Ally and Patsi

I once did an article on "How Women's Lib Destroyed America". It was kind of a corollary to the subject you are discussing.

Remember all the free labor stay at home women used to provide not to mention the two "approved" careers of nursing and teachings at rock bottom wages? They were in the classrooms, hospitals, civic organizations, charities etc. The most accomplished female brains were tied to the house, school, and bedpan.

Once the chains came off they fled for higher paying jobs and personally rewarding environments. It allowed the middle class to maintain its position while keeping down costs to compete with the world, but we paid with deteriorating schools and hospitals when once free services now needed paid employees.

You can only send a new crop of workers to the work place once and then you have to find a new crop. Now to keep competitive with lower wages around the world, the children aren't leaving home after school. They are staying to help with expenses and still middle class wages are slipping while 1/10th of 1% of the population make more money than the bottom 50%.

Jamie, thanks...what a great roster...the horses too!

When I visited Avalon at Yale to read about the Cuban Missile Crisis, I was struck by the role of loyalty. I think both the Democrats and Republicans have tarnished the importance of loyalty and how it is used. Loyalty should not be used to enforce group think, yet loyalty is critical in advancing important agendas despite the necessary debates over aspects of policies. Beneath any loyalty there should be loyalty to honesty, the Constitution and the interests of the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loyalty

Also there is a video today of a tornado. I was struck by how much that looked like the one I saw up close in Ohio decades ago. Imagine that twister up close with the funnel rising above the tree tops. It was only the afternoon, but it was as dark as this video. I t happened quickly, but the image made me remember. Had I drive in the wrong direction away from it, you all might have been spared my comments.

http://video.syndication.msn.com/v/Legacy.aspx?mk=en-ap&g=26093bda-6093-4d0e-b94f-50a34338cc96&f=WASEA&partner=en-ap

Jamie: Wow...another great perspective. The relationship between the disparate distribution of wealth/status and Women's Lib is fascinating.

What I find disturbing is the lack of dialogue on this issue. Women get very defensive when these topics are brought to the table (at least in my experience.) I see the talking heads blah blah blah'ing about how we don't have an honest discussion about race in this country. Well, we don't have honest discussions about women's issues either. And that lack of discourse cannot be blamed all on men. Women don't want to talk about it either.

Max

I moved you to Colonel John

Julie

I haven't checked the morning line. I'll do that now.

I use to listen to the Ed Schultz show from Mother Jones, now I turn it on occassionally as I am so tired on his bashing of Hillary Clinton. On Friday's show all he did was talk about this video clip, he wanted it shown on the cable networks and he was outraged by the remarks. He told his listeners to go to his website so they could watch the video. He was bashing James Carville and Mickey Kantor and of course Hillary.

Callers were calling in and saying how outraged they were and he ate it up. I use to love the progressive talk radio as that was the only source I had to save my sanity. The only one I am able to listen to is Bill Press. To me progressive radio has become just like right-wing radio, they twist the truth, bash Hillary and make Obama out the victim whenever anything negative comes out about him.

I have not watched MSNBC for a couple of months and now can't even turn on my radio.

Well I hope Ed Schultz plans on apologizing! I stopped listening to Air Obama a while ago.

Jamie, I spent a couple of months in Guam in the early 70s. It was an exceedingly beautiful place. Jungles so thick as to be impenetrable, wonderful beaches and a sheller's paradise.

One day a buddy and I were prowling around in a semi-jungle area and came across a Japanese tank. They had feral cats (called them boonie cats) that would approach you and then take a bite out of your finger if you went to scratch their heads. Monster iguanas, lots of B-52s and submarines, etc.

People call it a small island, Sure can't tell that once you are there. I'd sure hate walking around it.

Now, Wake, that's one small island. But, that's a story for another day.

Jamie -- Eight Belles for me.

I'm not seriously betting on the horse -- just supporting Hillary. Since I'm not going to the Gold Cup this year, might as well do juleps a home with the derby on the telly.

For those wondering about gas prices.. I found this article on Yahoo money

http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/104996/Why-Gas-in-the-U.S.-Is-So-Cheap

It states that the most expensive place to buy a gallon of gas is: Bosnia-Herzegovina at $10.86

In Belgium, we are the 8th most expensive with a gallon of gas costing $8.22

The United States, in contrast, is 111th most expensive out of 155 countries. Americans' lust for bigger and better things, (huge gas guzzling cars) houses with long commutes from work, rejection of public transport, etc. makes the effect stronger on the American lifestyle. And we have only ourselves to blame as we've seen warning signs for years (that's my own editiorializing btw).

I've read that there has been no campaigning in Guam... not even by any surrogates???

Patsi, what ever happened to the word 'cad'? When said with absolute scorn, it fit so perfectly in describing a, I'm at a loss for words, a CAD!!

Flatus - I have been to Wake Island. It was an emergency landing when our plane's engines caught fire. We were there for about three days waiting for another plan to pick us up. Beautiful beach, crystal water with tons of sea cucumbers, which were strange looking creatures.

I have a small about of real money for all my family members on

Cool Coal Man
Black Jack Bob
Tale of Ekati
Z Fortune

Any of them would pay well if they manage to get around the track first.

Obama is up in Guam!!

"With 7 out of 19 villages reporting, Obama leads with 497 votes (55.3 percent) to 401 votes for Clinton (44.7 percent)."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

I think the "kool-aid" metaphor is one of the most overused in blog discussions...

Divalicias, the memories are old enough that they're getting foggy. The shack that was the snack bar run by Pan Am was probably the most memorable thing. Surely a leftover from the clipper sea plane days.

Three days would have had to have been like two weeks.

Nick: Yes, the louder thing was in full display at my caucus. I have compared it to a pep rally. It was just all so, well, dumb. And, it served to intimidate many of the older caucus goers which really bothered me. Those people should be able to fill out a ballot without all the RAH RAH RAH, YES WE CAN jargin.

Here is the deal: I am not a dreamer and I never have been. I do think that my cynical side comes out when confronted with all of this warm and fuzzy speak. It reminds me of when I was researching preschools for my kids and we went to this one little Christian school. There was a lot of Jesus Makes Me Happy singing etc. The hair on my neck stood up a little because I didn't want my kids to think Jesus (or anyone or anything) would make them happy all the time. First of all, we aren't meant to be happy all the time. And when we set our kids up to think that they SHOULD be happy, it just fosters disappointment and then off to the medicine cabinet for Prozac. I see some parents doing that "happy talk" with their kids all the time (and very LOUDLY too.) It makes me want to scream.

You need to make yourself happy. No politician or movement is going to do that for you.

And, by the way, I know that Barack is calling on me to dispense with my cynisism and Believe. I got the memo.

Greetings from the desert:

We should have more horse races around here, the place seems almost normal.

Ivy Green welcome aboard "our" horse. Ivy, come on over to my blog and introduce yourself. Sometimes it's hard to get through the hundreds of posts here on CL for introductions.

Good luck everybody.

Max: Thanks for your thoughts on loyalty. I think it has gotten a bad rap. I am still in contact with all of the people who have given me breaks and helped me and mentored me along the way. I am forever grateful.

Well, let me add an usual comment. Gender roles are still deeply ingrained. I have heard many comments from female foreigners (India, France, Africa, Latinos, Russians) that female body hair here is harshly regarded as dirty, manly and generally frowned upon. It is completely censored by media and most film. This speaks to the issue of gender roles and male's expectation of what women should look like. Even most women are brainwashed into this conditioning. To say this is simply related to conscious aesthetics is rubbish as some men in NYC I notice remove most of their body hair and no one says that is unmanly.

I suppose when some actress finally accepts an Oscar with hairy armpits, we might well be on the way past the social conditioning that still drives the restrainsts on women and men. The fact this issue isn't even discussed speaks to the depth of the male/female divide. When our most bodily functions are regulated by silent decree, don't expect open and rational discussion about political and economic emancipation.

Nick:

The pubs came to me! We spent last weekend and earlier this week at a conference with nightly fare put on by our 50 closest friends and colleagues from London... (btw, they want Obama - they don't like McCain, and are afraid we'll set Bill loose in the White House again.)

Also, I couldn't get C-Span on my tv last night, so I ended up watching "That Mitchell and Webb Look" on BBCAmerica...that must've done it for me...!

Ally,

There is a great E. M. Forster quote about loyalty:

Given the choice between betraying my country and betraying my friend, I hope I would have the courage to betray my country.

Wino, Zoey

I sent a keg of beer over to the jockeys' lounge. Told the trainer to get with ours and let him know that we'd tar-and-feather him if he was so much as to touch a drop of it.

I figure we'll all be drinking Champaign around 6:30!

Thanks Ally and thanks Jamie.

I do find the quote a bit useless out of context. Would I betray a friend if that friend betrayed my country? We're not talking Billy Budd here. Again, if I had to pick between bretraying my contry by selling secrets to China or betraying my firend by telling his wife he was a treat, I would certainly choose the latter.

It is always in context, yes?

Loyalty to a Party or a candidate should never trump loyalty to what you believe are the best interests of the nationa. Just my thoughts. So far that has made me loyal at the voting booth to Democrats. Let us see if that changes.....

LOL.....Let's try that again.....

I do find the quote a bit useless out of context. Would I betray a friend if that friend betrayed my country? We're not talking Billy Budd here. Again, if I had to pick between bretraying my country by selling secrets to China or betraying my friend by telling his wife he was a cheat, I would certainly choose the latter.

It is always in context, yes?

Loyalty to a Party or a candidate should never trump loyalty to what you believe are the best interests of the nation. Just my thoughts. So far that has made me loyal at the voting booth to Democrats. Let us see if that changes.....

E Prof 2

I only do it for the triple crown. Anyone who wants to do imaginary races on their own can go here for the
entries

http://www.equibase.com/static/entry/index.html

and here for the results

http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/quick/index.html

A funny joke from Conan O'Brien:

"Former Governor Eliot Spitzer, you all remember him. He had a little problem not too long ago. He's back in the news, ladies and gentlemen. This is good news for me. Former New York Governor Eliot Spitzer is reportedly gonna write a book about his hooker scandal. Apparently, that's true. That's what I hear, yeah. Yeah, the good news about Spitzer's book: apparently, it has a happy ending." --Conan O'Brien

Max, if it's a choice of winning with another candidate or sticking with a friend who's going through a rough patch and may lose, then sticking is the only option.

Max:

I say its unmanly.

Jamie, I knew that having participated in past years. The three races are more than enough for me not being a horse race fan nor a bettor.

CQ predicts a slight lead for Hillary in Indiana, certainly not the blow-out most of us thinks she needs. Does anyone have more up-to-date information?

Flatus noted and agreed but I think my logic supports your idea...

Warren, not for me, but not because it is unmanly, but rather unnatural.

I remember the male swimmers at my college shaved and no one called them unmanly. I often notice the mean remarks men make in private about unshaven women and suspect this is more a reaction to what they see as threatening behavior than offenses to their sense of beauty...LOL Certainly just sixty years ago we wouln't find such a strong reaction and we should focus some of the conditioning on what was discussed in Brave New World Revisited. Don't underestimate the role of hormones and phermones. Testosterone is certainly on the rise in women........

perfume was originally promoted to disturb the natural communication of phermones. Men didn't like signals they couldn'y control.

Flatus,
Nice plan on the jockeys. They are so small it probably won't take much to get them drunk. I am hoping for some "Smooth Air" this afternoon.

Ally:

You do not have to buy into the "warm and fuzzy" inspiration aspect of the Obama campaign. That stuff is nice to get more people to pay attention - and I get a kick out of it myself - but that is not all there is to Barack Obama.

You may think that Obama is as polarizing and divisive as Hillary Clinton - but it just is not true. Obama is a calculating politician just like the rest of them. And he has calculated that the way to make real change in this Country is to move past the divisive partisan politics that has become the status quo in Washington. (This is not some new slogan cooked up for this campaign - it is what he spoke about at the 2004 Convention and what he wrote an entire book about.)

No one is saying dealing with the challenges this Country faces is going to be easy. But we sure as hell will be better served by our leaders in Washington working together to find the best sollutions instead of tearing down each other's ideas and credibility.

Obama has also shown incredbile political talents in tangling with the Clintons during this hotly contested nomination race. And McCain is no Hillary Clinton - plus McCain will have Bush's endorsement instead of Bill Clinton stumping all over the place for him.

So I think Obama can stand toe-to-toe with McCain after seeing him take on Hillary. I also think he puts a lot of so-called "Red States" in play. And gaining support for the Democratic agenda all over this Country - not just in the "big states" - is the only way to push that agenda through the inevitable Right Wing resistance.

Two weeks after Lamont announced his U.S. Senate bid in March 2006, Obama flew to Connecticut to loudly endorse Lieberman. As the keynote speaker at the Connecticut Democratic Party's $175-per-head Jefferson Jackson Bailey Dinner, Obama proclaimed: "I know some in the party have differences with Joe. I'm going to go ahead and say it. I am absolutely certain Connecticut is going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the U.S. Senate so he can continue to serve on our behalf."
http://www.minnpost.com/stories/2007/12/17/386/the_hidden_politics_behind_liebermans_endorsement_of_republican_mccain

And Ann Dunham was conservative...LOL. Love how you gloss over the top part of this thread. Drink up my boy....

So THAT was what he wrote an entire book about...I didn't realize...

I'll save my comments until after today's more ingenuos horse race.

Obama a chicken?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFArdWcqssc

Words matter...

http://pundits.thehill.com/2008/05/02/the-politics-of-poetry/#more-2938

Obama has also shown incredbile political talents in tangling with the Clintons during this hotly contested nomination race.

Posted by: warren | May 3, 2008 2:18 PM

Certainly he's done well with most of the MSM servicing him on bended knee. From the moment the Iowa caucus results were known, the MSM was basically writing Hillary's political obituary. I don't think arrogantly saying that he could get most of Hillary's supporters but the same couldn't be said for her about his supporters shows incredible political talents.

Obama irritates me because he sounds like a Sunday morning tele-evangelist. Maybe his "incredible political talents" has been to take most of Hillary's positions and claim them as his own. On the gas tax, I think Obama is right. I will almost certainly vote for him if he gets the nomination. Inspiring? Anything new is inspiring to young people... and they grow out of it RAPIDLY.

Big Brown will go wire to wire from the outside. if it' s sloppy; the only ones to worry about mud in their face are the 19 behind him.

Later all, you know where i'm headed!
Good luck suckers LOL

Oh yeah, I forgot Warren. Refusing to debate does not show incredible political talent. It shows fear.

Euro Tom -- With the gas prices so high in Belgium, how do you manage to make a living selling it? What makes it so high? Taxes?

I think Hill's No Gas Tax idea is a good one, politically. In Virginia we DEMs missed the boat and lost a governor's race when the GOP candidate discovered that the personal property tax on vehicles so unpopular. He came up with a three word slogan "No Car Tax" and won -- getting a lot of DEM votes in the process. People don't want to hear why a tax is good for them to pay, and DEMs lose everytime we try to advocate for higher taxes. Remember the Tsongas campaign -- "I stand for higher taxes?" What a disaster that was!

Alicia, yes it is mostly taxes. And the sad thing is, I make 1 euro cent per litre. But if someone drives away without paying, I have to pay it myself. With prices higher than ever, this can be a real disaster for the station operators such as myself. I've tried to get the company to do a "pay first" system but they won't hear of it. One of my colleagues actually started listing publicly license plates of people who have driven off without paying but that is against "privacy laws". The criminals are protected, not the franchise holders. It sucks... I've got good health care and a relationship, and a decent enough apartment, but I am frustrated by how much our little country is a vacation place for criminals and thieves.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, the more litres I sell the less per litre I get. So now it is under 1 euro cent. Go figure. I make my money on the shop and the litres are just enough to pay my salary.

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EuroTom:

"Refusing to debate does not show incredible political talent. It shows fear."

It show Obama is winning.

(You don't see John McCain debating Ron Paul - do you?)

Hey - did you hear Ron Paul saying that he could not endorse McCain because of his support for the Iraq War. Paul will support Obama - and he has still been getting about 10% of the votes against McCain in the primaries. Most of those votes are going to Obama.

warren ---------------------

Do you know that "Bush the First" was harassed by guys dressed up in chicken suits (92 campaign)?

Jamie
please see my post at 8:47 this am to you.
Max
the rain gauge measured 11/2 inches today just 60+ miles from the track... however, it's expected to dry out some before the big race. Only the inexperienced are scared of a little mud. Comes with the territory.
Go Eight Belles go!

nick:

You characterization of Obama as an "empty suit" is a gross under estimation of your opponent.

This is a mistake the Clinton campaign has made throughout this primary. What does that say about her judgment. (Toss in her over estimation of Bush's capacity to engage in meaningful diplomacy in Iraq - and there are serious questions about her judgment.)

Well Warren I disagree. Arrogantly proclaiming that Hillary's supporters will go to him if he gets the nomination but the same cannot be said for his supporters going to her was not "incredible political talent". In fact, recently polling suggests that his supporters are more likely to support Hillary than the other way around. Nonetheless, when this stage of the process is over, those of us who find it difficult to even conceive of voting for Obama, will need to find the strength to do so if we want to protect the Federal Courts. That is truly my one and only motivation. In other words, I feel totally blackmailed to support the default nominee.

I should add, "should he win the nomination" which I still think is likely.

Max:

Condeleez Rice was just on C-SPAN making some good points about dealing with terrorism at a talk to the American Jewish Committee.

She said that America does not agree with the statement that one person's terrorists are another's freedom fighters. She also said a political group needs to decide if it is going to be a political organization or a terrorist group - but it cannot be both.

I agree with those sentiments.

(And just because I supported Carter's private efforts to meet with the leaders of Hamas - does not mean I agree with everything Carter said when he got back.)

EuroTom:

If it is only your conscience that is the cause for your blackmail - then I can't say I am too concerned.

Warren -------------------------

"That is one of the stupidest things I have ever seen and it shows how childish some of the Clintonites can be."

From your reaction, it's clear that the "Chicken" attack is very effective - need more of this. Obama is an empty suit - he can read a prepared speech and con the gullible.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-ace3-2008may03,0,6475519,full.story

Clinton Consultant "Ace" Smith feared and admired.

Director of her crucial North Carolina campaign, he's equal parts opposition researcher and top-notch strategist.

By Robin Abcarian, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
May 3, 2008

Hillary's "experience":

http://www.charlotte.com/409/story/607790.html

Early programming for Churchill Downs now on ESPN. The network will take over for the big race.

Euro Tom -- Thanks for the info about the gas situation in Belgium. Can't believe your company won't even let you require that people pay first before they pump. When I first moved below the Sweet Tea line, it was pretty standard that you could pump then pay. Now it's the opposite. Plus people automatically lose their driver's licenses if they're caught driving off without paying.

On the gas tax holiday, criticizing a candidate because she is telling the voters what they want to hear -- because they have a need -- that's like the GOP criticizing DEMs for pushing for Universal Health Care. When people don't have health care and politicians tell them they will enact universal helath care -- isn't that pandering too?

Pander me baby, PANDER ME.

Hey gang... I found a couple of interesting articles ... This one from U.S. News and World Reports about the whole Superdelegate system:

The Superdelegate Showdown Might be Key to the Democratic Nomination
Both Clinton and Obama are fighting for support from this key group

By Kenneth T. Walsh
Posted May 2, 2008

At least once a week, each superdelegate to the Democratic National Convention gets a special phone call. It might be from Hillary or Bill Clinton. It might be from their daughter, Chelsea, or campaign honcho Harold Ickes, or some other big shot from Hillaryland. But someone will call. In fact, six staffers are assigned to make sure the contacts are made and to keep track of the delegates' mood swings. "You walk a fine line," Ickes says. "You don't want to be a pest, but on the other hand you don't want them to think you're ignoring them."

ttp://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/05/02/the-superdelegate-showdown-might-be-key-to-the-democratic-nomination.html

The other one is about right-wing attacks on Democrats and political symbolism:

POLITICAL MEMO
In ’88, a Lesson on Using Symbols as Bludgeons

By ROBIN TONER
Published: May 4, 2008
WASHINGTON — Sometimes, as Senator Barack Obama seemed to argue earlier this year, a flag pin is just a flag pin.

Senator Barack Obama, campaigning last week in Charlotte, N.C., may find himself portrayed by Republicans as unpatriotic.
But it can never be that simple for anyone with direct experience of the 1988 presidential campaign. That year, the Republicans used the symbols of nationhood (notably, whether schoolchildren should be required to recite the Pledge of Allegiance) to bludgeon the Democrats, challenge their patriotism and utterly redefine their nominee, Gov. Michael S. Dukakis of Massachusetts.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/04/us/politics/04memo.html?_r=1&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=all

As I post, I'm listening to another discussion of the Sinclair/ Young/Obama murder mystery on a netcast.

Obama's on CNN -- telling people he doesn't take one dime of lobbyist corporate money. Is he lying or did he not see the WSJ article delineating his extensive corporate donations.

He is also lying about the Clinton gas tax holiday -- saying it will take money out of infrastructure improvements and cost jobs. Her gas tax holiday will not do this -- McCain's will.

Alicia,

Judge Judy says it best, "Liar, liar pants on fire!!".

I wonder if the Guam reporting includes absentee from the Mainland and from military forces. Each are significant percentages of the population.

billy bush is doin a decent job of the Derby red carpet thing on NBC -- very low key compare to oscars, kinda nice -- and all the women wearin hats

took me forever to find espn......what network is it on?

ahh......NBC........never mind

NBC

joe piscopo fahcryin' out loud......

damn this opening package on costas coverage was totally amazing, wish i had taped it

my man, colonel john, has great pole position

watching these old races is nice......like seeing old Ali fights.......

owen hardy is a genius trainer btw, that's why i picked colonel john

camptown race track 5 miles long.......doo-dah, doo-dah
camptown racetrack 5 miles long, all doo-dah day....
going to run all night, going to run all day.
Bet my money onna bob-tail nag........somebody bet on the bay.

the greatest horse who ever raced was Man-O-War: http://z.about.com/d/horseracing/1/0/0/a/manowar2.jpg

now you tell us.

lol

One fleeting clip of Barbaro was all it took to send me to the "waterworks.' Now that's out of the way, maybe I can settle down to watch today's race...

"Visionaire - EProf2, Ivy Green - 8 - 20/1"

EProf2, looks like it's just me and you kid on this one...I'm pulling for Barbaro's trainer, Michael Matz...

I had several of those little board games where you thump the needle and whichever horse it stops on you advance your little plastic nag one space......I wore 'em out .....the names I remember are Whirlaway, Gallant Fox, and Man o' War.....

nobody loves me but my mother........and she might be jivin' too.........

---BB King

Man of War was a great horse, but my all time favorite was Big Red

http://www.secretariat.com/

what a head fake, everyone thinks colonel john hasn't raced on dirt. but they've been training him on dirt all along. big brown's gang took the bait

Jamie

Me too...every time I see the replay of the Belmont, I start crying. And forget watching the ESPN Greatest Athletes without a box of klennex.
Sniff.
~Gidget

Jamie -- I'm with you on Secretariat -- I drive by the Meadow Farm on my way to Kings Dominion every week during the summer. It's going to be the site of the VA State Fair now.

my dear old dying ma with her final breaths is praying for john mccain to win......

Interesting read on the "gas tax holiday".

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/03/opinion/03collins.html

And she makes a good point about McCain's claim that he is going to pay for "everything" by cutting pork barrel spending in Washington. It is his go to move no matter what the issue is.

and no..........she does NOT like John McCain..........

Whew! A 17 hands filly! What did they feed her as a baby?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yJaz74q05M

I'd like to know where they found that many tiny guys......

If you love me like you say...why you treat me like you do? - Albert Collins

that dappled grey was beautiful........

They are small only in height...their personalities fill up the room and make them seem bigger-than-life.

my hair's still curly and my eyes are still blue......so why dont you love me like you used to do......

well, I aint had a kiss since I fell out of my crib.....I feel like been cheated outa my rib......

--Hank Sr

The sun shines bright on my old Kentucky home,
Tis summer, and people are gay;
The corn-top's ripe and the meadow's in the bloom
While the birds make music all the day.

The young folks roll on the little cabin floor
All merry, all happy and bright;
By'n by hard times comes a knocking at the door
Then my old Kentucky home, Good-night!

Weep no more my lady. Oh! Weep no more today!
We will sing one song for my old Kentucky home
For my old Kentucky home, far away.

I swear......it just looked like one of those guys was riding sidesaddle.......

thank for that, Alice Knight

that u tube I posted back a ways was paul robeson singing "my old kentucky home"......i forgot to title it.....

That horse race earlier today was great! Who would have thought a horse that was that far behind could win?

ah, but corey, hanging behind is the secret to winning

Wonder how much the jockeys get paid to have NetJets splashed across their britches?

Give false hope to the others , Craig?

Indiana? Big deal. An upset in North Carolina? Who cares? Hillary takes Oregon? Yawn.

No, if she wants to stay in the race she needs to win those contest plus get on a motorcycle and jump a line of 16 cargo vans, a twenty foot long box of rattle snakes, and two mountain lions. And I want to see her do it with one hand tied behind her back. Wearing a pink pants suit.

Then MAYBE they'll stop hollering for her to get out.
At least for a few days.

as the horses get in their gates, a mint julep toast to Colorado Bob!

Corey

It's pacing. The horses on the lead seldom win. You sometimes get wire to wire, but the winner will usually be somewhere around 3 or 4 until ready to make their move. That way they don't tire themselves out until ready to fire.

Here we go!

Had a great time today as 25 volunteers visited the opening of the local Saturday Market.

Lots of fun..the Sun came out and people were eagerly snapping up Hillary stickers..

Lots of nice people, some friendly Obama folks.

My ballot arrived in the mail today. I wait until election day,May 20th, to deliver mine. About 40% hand them in the last two days of the cycle.

Hillary ads are finally on the air. We don't have the cash so volunteer power is essential..

oh darn, colonel john fell back to 16th early on. tough to overcome

Big Brown has a message for all of you...he can carry the weight!

YAY, BIG BROWN!!!

that number 2 horse looked like he coulda took him.....like marlon brando's coulda benna contenda

coulda took him.......it looked it.

Congrats Big Browners Rezdog, Emmy, Harborwoman - Good race. Uh oh 8 Belles is injured.

late, but SALUT

Coulda took him, sturg...but started falling back...or Big Brown surged forward at the end....

YAY, BIG BROWN!!!

And yes, Craig, a definite toast to C'Bob!

there ya have it foks, the frontrunner wins and the filly is down. it belongs to the ages

OMG. Eight Belles euthanized.

Oh no...

Poor Eight Bells!

..and yet another moment that makes me wonder why we do this...Eight Belles....

I appreciae it very much when people post links here. I have found much information.

Unfortunately, I don't have any idea how this is done.

Could someone explain for this computer challenged person, how to easily post a link or an excerpt from another posted message. There is no guarantee I will be able to do it, but I will try.

Thank you..OD

Sad.

I need another drink....this is too sad

Oh, no. I didn't see the race. I hate it when they get hurt like that. It's really sad.

AK-
Beat you to it...
and now I remember why I don't go to horse races anymore.

~ g

but then i guess it's much better for the animals than a spanish corrida de los toros.......

I don't see any stories about Eight Belles.

Does anyone have a link?

OD --It helps to have another window open. Right click, then copy the link from the browser window. Paste it in the comment box. Does that help?

GaK
It's still one NBCLive.

Nick
Meadow Farms is (or was) outside Richmond, VA...not sure after AK comment about the state fair.
~G

The happiness of Big Brown winning is saddened with the fate of Eight Bells.

Nick -- Meadow Farm is in Doswell, VA -- in Hanover County just north of Richmond.

make it turn blue with a right click and then click on "edit"and select "copy".........then get to where you wanna put the link and click "edit" and select "paste".....

Max,

You called it for Bob Black Jack. Out in front early then a fade.

if them horses hadda fight in iraq they'd have a much more higher mortality rate........

oops....make it turn blue but with a LEFT click....sorry

Thanks for the helpful hints..I'm sorry to hear about the racehorse. I grew up around racehorses but havent watched a race in years...too many sad stories..

Big Brown has a gear no other horse has. Man that guy turned it on in the straight away. He is a mighty powerful horse. This could be a triple crown winner.

toast to Colorado Bob myownself,

yo soy Horsedooty!

but there was one point before the front horse pulled away for good where the second horse whether reined somehow in or more likely .........accepted his position.....i could almost see the giving up......

It is against the law in Oregon to pump your own gas. I think New Jersey also has that law.

The voters have repeadedly,overwhelmingly voted no to a change..

wasnt there some kind of or another of a general massacre of folks in the vicinity of Fredricksburga bout a hundred fifty yrs ago thereabouts?

Oregon,

You might want to "practice" by cutting and pasting links into e-mails to yourself...if you can see and open them in your received message, we should be able to open when you post links on the site...just like any other skill...practice makes perfect --- or at least not so "scary..." :)

...very sad, Eight Belles...condolences to all including our posters who had picked her...she almost did it...

Big Brown on to Pimlico...back in my old Maryland Home....

When i was a kid the civil war was still after all that time, In SC, an open and gaping wound......now it's just kinda something like just some war which happened in the deep history of a "hunnerd fifty years ago". like a russian novel or something.....iinstead of people who remembered........when I was a kid there were people who remembered people who remembered things......

Did anybody see MOJO on Friday when Joe said that it would be terrible if after HIllary told everybody to root for Eight Belles something happened to that horse and it had to be put down? He must feel TERRIBLE. I cannot believe it...

Ally....that's spooky.

I am trying to find it on YouTube...he must have a pit in his stomach.

Franklin Roosevelt believed that short term relief + longterm reform could solve big problems.

Mr. Obama obviously didn't listen in class the day that was discussed.

sturg...

The horse who was giving Big Brown a run for it at the end was Eight Belles. She likely dropped off because she broke her ankles. This really is too sad.

Almost time for the Pistons game.

I cant remember all the terminology......I have to re-read bruce catton every couple of years or so just to retain a general idea of it.......but Fredricksburg......seems I remember a massacre of some sort.......

Sturgeone

I know what you mean about there were people who "remembered things". Two of my great grandfathers fought in the civil war, one on each side. My grandparents were born only 15 years after it finished, so even though the greats were gone by the time I came along, my grandmother was filled with the stories.

I hope MOJO feels terrible if he feels anything -- that's the problem, I can't tell with him. I hope the "power" doesn't go to his head.

power? scarborough? took over a format created by a disc jockey on a 3rd rate station and he's got power?

el schmuckola

It's like Dennis Miller taking over a Chevy Chase/Herb Sargent foolproof schtick and actually thinking that HE, Dennis Miller.....was a funny person..........lolol

Sturg, when I was growing up there were still a fair number of Civil War veterans alive. Every Memorial Day they would have a big ceremony out front of the GAR hall in Peninsula.. I'm talking Northern Memorial Day up in Ohio.

The last veteran died not long after I joined the Army. I think he was a Union bugler.

He may not be funny , but Dennis Miller was golden in the Monday Night Football booth! LOL!

well, I can admit that dennis miller has a few gifts, broadcast-wise.......but Funny aint one of them......

I have e-mailed the YouTube subscriber who posts the most MOJO clips to see if he has the MOJO clip of Joe pondering a tragedy with Eight Belles. I will post if it I see it come on. Huff Post already has a story of Hillary's horse dying but no mention of Joe's foreshadowing...

Flato......they took us to see gone with the wind like it was last week over at gramma's........

Sturg: Obviously you are not a MOJO fan but have you seen they hysterical thing they do when he starts talking about being in Congress? There is a little "ping" and then a little emblem appears over his shoulder that says something like "I was in Congress." Funny stuff.

ya know.....when you admire people like lenny bruce, mort sahl, richard pryor, dick gregory, bertrand russel, gore vidal, frank zappa, bill dana, marlo thomas, gloria steinem, barbara walters, and a couple thousand other people........there aint much room for folks like Beady-Eye .........

Nick --
I'm in Fred'burg. What brings you down here? I discovered the Meadow Farm when taking Rt. 301 as an alternative to I-95 south on a Friday in the summertime. (Never take 95 anywhere on a Friday in summer.)

Sturgeon -- Are you taking about the Battle of Fredericksburg? Yes, lots of death -- the Federal Irish Brigade was picked off by Confederates who were holed up on the Sunken Road in Marye's Heights. Factoid: David Letterman's great grandfather, Jonathan Letterman, was a federal surgeon during this battle. Letterman was positioned at Chatham a mansion overlooking Fredericksburg across the Rappahannock River. There Letterman devised the battlefield triage that is still pretty much in use today. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Letterman

oh.....and I made grape jelly wit me old gramma.......jelly, not jam.....not preserves.......

Jamie: Thanks for the E. M. Forster quote earlier. I had to tune out for a while...

OMG -- 50-50 in Guam -- Obama wins with 7 votes? Recount!

A poster on HuffPO wrote or quoted: "Eight Belles actually ended up finishing second in the race, just behind Big Brown. But in a shocking development, just as Eight Belles crossed the finish line, jockey Gabriel Saez "heard the worst sound possible - a pop."

Yikes, I know that "pop" sound from the time I broke my own ankle (I bet Craig does too!) Why can't they save horses from what ought to be a recoverable injury??

How do you get the "stuff" out and get it to be jelly?

yep....I always like to marvel over the difference between "death" and "carnage"..........

alley.....it was very long ago.......I remember paraffin under the lids......boiling stuff......straining stuff.....and afterwards for months there being grape jelly which I'd had a hand in........

They are showing a 60th anniverary special for WGN. Sounds like WGN invented everything in the history of tv news.

I just do freezer jam because I don't have the skills to tackle much more than that...

Here's the about the groundbreaking at Meadows Farm for the Va State Fair -- I'm happy the fair will be there -- better than tract mansions....

http://www.nbc12.com/news/state/18000659.html

old granny was born in 86 in mississippi......she died 98 yrs later in charleston sc..............she was borned twenty yrs after appomattox.......and it was like a fresh wound to her.......

okay.....21 years

Sturg: At least longevity runs in your family...not mine. It does in my husband's family too.

Nick -- Ah yes -- First Friday! Ever make it over to the Wounded Bookshop?

ally....yep.....if only i'd caught her side of the familia instead of the one with the rampant alzheimers......lol

Sturg -- Stafford County was occupied by 120,000 Union troop, who cuts down almost every tree in the county. Now 150 years later, the environmental devastation is still reflected by the poor soil quality around here. All the topsoil washed away and silted up the Rappahannock, where the formerly deep water port of Falmouth was no longer. The scars of war are deep and long-lasting indeed.

angelica huston is a babe.......

Ivy

It's complicated, but a horse needs to be able to stand on at least three legs even if they spend most time in a sling to reduce the weight. She broke both front ankles and one broke the surface of the skin that would allow germs to get in. Because of their very narrow ankles, the blood supply can be very limited, so even if they are able to repair the break with surgery, severe infection can set in followed by blood poisoning.

Because of Barbaro and all the money that was raised, there have been great strides made in the possible surgery and horse have been saved since who would have been put down in the past. Unfortunately Eight Belles couldn't be one of them.

Sturgeone

My grandmother was born in 1880 and passed away in 1969. Those old Southern Belles took that war very personally. : )

lol

There seems to be a lot of longevity in the CLists (or in the families of the Clisters)
My grandmonther was born in Altlanta in 1866 and lived until 1972. She was the 20th of 20 children, and had 3 brothers die in the Civil War. The 19th child was born in 1865 and lived to be 101. She had my father in 1918 at the age of 52...and was still fighting the Civil War until she died.
~G

Not so much , Gidget. My Mom's Mother died when she was 33. She died from pneumonia. She died 2 years before they invented penicilin. Her Mom died when she 25. My Mom grew up worrying a lot about dying young.

I can't remember my Grandfather's dates, but he was in France in WWI and he married a second time when he was 85. As usual, no one liked the second wife, who had brought a casserole over to Grammie's funeral reception.

Some things never change. : )

Nick -- Wounded Bookshop is on Amelia Street, just below Caroline Street. Wounded Bookshop is the home of the Fredericksburg Athenaeum. http://upcoming.yahoo.com/venue/19453/

nick.....i woulda used "famiglia" but i didnt wanna imply any kind of heritage italiano....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHD_L4GiQ3I

get busy living

Corey~
Those are very young ages and so sad.
Of course, while I appreciated the longevity I may have inherited from Grams....I also worry that I might have inherited the ability to get preggers at 52! : )
~ G

JKL, baby.

e

nick.....do you still have an adze?

John Mayer messing around in the studio.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8Q28zuvd6w&eurl=http://www.johnmayer.com/blog

I really want to know how Hillary can keep up this pace. What is she eating etc. She looks good most of the time, rarely looks beat. Can you imagine having to say the same stuff , more or less, day in and day out? Oh wait a minute.....that sounds familiar.

If I were her I would be dead tired.

I guess that's why i write this crap.......I love to see my name in print...........

How did your parents ever decide on the name "sturgeone" ?

: )

ha ha.....they didnt do dat.......dat was me..........they called me "wretched" er......richard..........

aww come on they loved you.... I can tell you were a charming son.

o. k. going to the city manana, so If anyone in NYC sees a mom and two kids, that's me....ok, more detail, my daughter has a green Mohawk and is about 5'8'' and no pounds...if you see us say "Hi" - we wont bite....picking her up from Pratt, you know, artists people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhecdhiokJo

I think I may have posted this prior, but I still love it
CS&N

I saw a girl yesterday with bright pink hair and 2 piercings in her bottom lip. Her Mom had blonde hair with a few purple streaks in it.

At least the Queen wasn't in the viewing stands this year to witness the Eight Belles tragedy...

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080503/COLUMNISTS01/805030326

Burrito--are you _sure_ it's green?

Oh , the girl with the pink hair was also wearing a headband with little cat ears on it as well.

Burrito: Hillary's stamina is amazing. Whatever she is doing to keep up this amazing pace she should bottle and sell (not that they need the money.)

I am beat...my son just had 17 friends over for pizza. I am going to be so lonely when these kids leave! Luckily I have a few years left with them.

As long as I am footing the bill at Pratt , no tattoos, and no piercings other then the ears.. after that she can do what she wants....

Funny thing is, she is a better student then I was. When I went to college, my mother said to me, " enjoy your four year vacation. " I took her seriously and did. lol

Flatus, well no, not at this point, she has naturally beautiful blonde hair and since 10th grade it's been anything but blonde.

We're watching History of Rock and Roll on VH1CR.
They just did the punk rock scene and new wave in NY at CDBGs. Juxtapose Patti Smith Group doing "Gloria" live with a Swiffer commercial using Blondie's "One Way or Another." I guess I'm happy Deborah Harry is making money, but oh how far we've fallen!

Ally how old are your children?

Burrito:

She says it's the daily hot chili peppers -- you know, the capsaicin and all...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capsaicin

Newsweek article on why Oprah left Wright's church. I know some of you have asked this question in the last few weeks:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/135392

a swiffer and Blondie singing "one way or another"....omg....talk about twisting words

OMG, you reminded me, I have to do my floors... dogs trailing mud and all...yuk.

I have a 13-year-old boy (7th grade) and a 14-year-old boy (freshman.) The 13-year-old is very social with a large group and they end up at our house about every other weekend...about 15-25 kids. My older son has a few close friends and they are always here too. I will miss the energy when they go. I have been preparing for it for a while...part of my cynical nature mentioned earlier today. I feel the need to prepare myself for sad times (bad childhood etc.)

Interesting about Oprah and the Church , but why is Newsweek running it as a story NOW in the May 12, 2008 issue.

Old news, being used for some other purpose.

The media once again, at work, trying to ifluence main stream opinions.

influence

I have been wondering why we haven't heard more about Oprah and the church. I have a feeling that getting people to talk about it is probably challenging. I am more appalled by MSNBC/Dan Abrams doing a full hour long special on it. Jeez louise.

Mine are: almost 16 , 17 and 18. You do have a few years, but hold on because these years fly by.

I like Ellen over Oprah. Oprah, because of wealth and power, is treated like royalty , she is just a person. I guess she has influence, so people do not want to cross her.

Just a correction from earlier, somebody e-mailed me the YouTube video of the doctored video yesterday (I thought it was a few days ago...I have been working like crazy all week and can't keep my days straight.) Anyhow, the friend who e-mailed it to me is an Obama supporter so I e-mailed it back to them with the Newsweek article link Craig posted earlier. My friend just e-mailed back and claims that the "hoax" story is a "hoax" invented by the Clinton campaign to combat this bombshell. Sometimes dealing with these people is just exhausting. All I want to do is take a big old nap.

I have not watched Oprah's show, or bought one of her magazines since she endorsed Obama....and I do not miss it at all....not even a tiny bit. Besides, she doesn't need my money.

Burrito: I have been off Oprah for a while (for the most part...I watched the Sex and the City show and the Tom Cruise show this week...first time I have watched in years.) I did go to see the Oprabama tour when they came through Iowa.

The last straw for me with Oprah was when Jennifer Aniston called in to say that the rumor she had broken up with Vince Vaughn wasn't true. I was just sitting in my living room going, "WHO CARES." It was just so self-indulgent and pretentious and icky. That and the James Frey episode. That interview she did with him after the scandal was, again, just icky.

And I adore Ellen. Even after the dog crying episode. I appreciate the fact that she had all of the candidates on her show, even though she endorsed Hillary. I mean, even Tyra Banks had all the candidates on, although she is an Obama supporter. Oprah's choice not to have the first serious female contender for President on her show hacked me off.

Contested Video Spreads Like Wildfire Online

"The 37-second clip was purportedly taken from "The War Room," the 1993 documentary about Bill Clinton's first presidential campaign...

D.A. Pennebaker, director of "The War Room," said today the clip is clearly doctored. It is longer than the original, for one, and Kantor never said anything like what is being ascribed to him. He was, in fact, talking about election turn-out and the panic that George H.W. Bush's White House must have been in.

"It's kind of terrifying," Pennebaker said of the wildfire spread of the clip, which has already been removed from some of the websites that were promoting it."That film has been around for 15 years. Many people have seen it, and that concept has never come up before."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/02/dirty_tricks_gone_viral.html

Ally, did you by chance read Frey's book? As a reader I thought it was a good read. About the truthfulness, well in general, I have come to believe that "truth" is a rare commodity.

I read Frey's book and as I was reading it I suspected that there was a fair amount of embellishment. The arc of the story was just too perfect. Too manufactured. I wish he had just published it as a novel based on his experience.

Ally,

Canning is really quite easy. It is a lot of prep work, but the process is simple

http://www.canning-food-recipes.com/canning.htm

That Guam vote is fascinating. It is like a miniature example of the whole party. No matter who finally takes the nomination, half of the Democrats are going to be pissed!

Frey openly rejected 12 Steps as the path to recovery...well, duh...they demand rigorous honesty...who wants to waste time with that when there's books to sell...?

Jamie: I have a friend who was raised Mormon and she had 12 brothers and sisters. They were also poor as church mice and canning was a way of life when she was a girl. Even though her husband is really successful and they are quite comfortable, she still cans all sorts of stuff from her garden every summer (in addition to sewing, upholstering etc.) I love to cook but I am just not precise enough for baking and anything that requires exactness. My husband used to be a pastry chef so, luckily, I don't have to do any baking in my house.

Curios whether Craig Crawford has been on Olbermann recently? It truly makes me sick to watch him overtly campaign for Obama, at the same time throwing Hillary under the bus every chance he gets. Since Craig is not a Hillary basher, I suspect that's why I haven't seen him on Countdown. I also see that Obama is spending the entire hour with Tim Russert tomorrow, no surprise there either.

Ivy: You hit the nail on the head.

Mike: Craig hasn't been on Olbermann for a while. He was on MOJO on April 25:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU0ElfBlGy8

Guam recount is imminent -- 500 ballots were not counted.
http://www.pacificnewscenter.com/default.asp?sourceid=&smenu=97&twindow=&mad=&sdetail=24109&wpage=1&skeyword=&sidate=&ccat=&ccatm=&restate=&restatus=&reoption=&retype=&repmin=&repmax=&rebed=&rebath=&subname=&pform=&sc=1718&hn=pacificnewscenter&he=.com

"Perez revealed she is also looking into the missing ballots.

More than 8,100 were printed in response to reports of shortages at precinct sites. But when the final tally came in, only a little over 4,500 ballots were used."

http://www.pacificnewscenter.com/default.asp?sourceid=&smenu=97&twindow=&mad=&sdetail=24109&wpage=1&skeyword=&sidate=&ccat=&ccatm=&restate=&restatus=&reoption=&retype=&repmin=&repmax=&rebed=&rebath=&subname=&pform=&sc=1718&hn=pacificnewscenter&he=.com

Katherine Harris

I'd gotten up early to catch Craig on MOJO that morning...still irksome to watch a second time... Andrea (in place of Mika for some reason) at her superficial worst..."Nobody said the process had to be democratic?," she said. What kind of insane remark is that for a responsible journalist???!!! And rudely to Craig, "...not my math!" Who died and made her Pythagoras?

I figured she was irritated at Craig who'd videoed her at the Clinton victory party hunched over her laptop in an unflattering camera angle wearing goofy glasses...

Hah! Right Gordo -- Susan Harris is a comedy writer/producer -- made "Golden Girls."

Jamie:

"No matter who finally takes the nomination, half of the Democrats are going to be pissed!"

Why? Because their candidate lost fair and square. The rules of this nomination process were laid out and all the campaigns agreed to them.

The Clinton campaign acknowledged this was a race about delegates over and over again (until it became apparent that Clinton could not overtake Obama in the race for delegates).

T. McAuliffe on Jan. 9, 2008:

"And at the end of the day it's getting a basket of delegates."

"I have always said that this thing would be over on February 5th. I believe it. With so many delegates in play on February 5th, I think that, barring something I can't foresee today, I think it's over on February 5th."

H. Wolfson on Jan. 25, 2008:

"And we have said since Iowa that this is a race for delegates. It's a race that we are ahead in. We have more delegates than Senator Obama."

H. Wolfson on Feb. 6, 2008:

"We think that we are in the poll position because we have a lead, overall, in delegates. We think it is going to be very difficult for Senator Obama to make up that lead because of the way in which the party allocates its delegates proportionately.

So we feel very good about that. But this is going to be a neck-and-neck contest for the foreseeable future.

Senator Obama does enjoy some advantages in the contests in the rest of February, but not in a way that should permit him to overcome our lead in delegates."

"And overall, we have a significant lead among delegates, overall, which, obviously, at the end of the day is what is going to positively determine which Democrat is our party's nominee."

http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/Mark%20Nickolas/blog/&blogId=1936

Clinton has been a formidable opponent. She has tremendous support, connections, name recognition and a long record. And to overtake her in the race for delegates, Senator Obama has had to win a record number of votes and smash all of the fundraising records with the help of millions of donors. If Obama defeats the Clinton Machine (despite a few gaffes and all the nonsense said by the media - Bill has been a great asset to Hillary out on the stump) - he will be ready to take on McCain.

Obama has campaigned hard in every state - and even if the remaining contests are close - we can't simply forget or write off Obama's big wins in Virginia, Georgia, Wisconsin, Maryland, Colorado, Minnesota, etc.

If after all of these contests - Obama has a lead in pledged delegates - and he receives enough Super Delegate support to reach 2025 - he has earned the nomination.

"BATON ROUGE, La. - A Democrat won a special congressional election here Saturday, bolstering his party's majority status on Capitol Hill by taking a seat Republicans have held since 1974."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080504/ap_on_el_ho/congress_louisiana

Pistons won by 19!

The Spurs are losing!

Obviously, the claims that the Republicans will win in November have been over-stated:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/02/mccain-implies-iraq-war-i_n_99866.html

I think either Democratic nominee will fare well against McCain.

Congrats, Corey on the Pistons!

The Spurs are loosing?

*runs to TV*

tt

Yep, the Spurs lost.

I watched some of it earlier, and there was something wrong with the floor due to rings of fire. I dunno what they were thinking.

tt

No one is pushing out Clinton - Obama is just winning.

After the last contest in June - I can't see any good reason for a Super Delegate to not announce who they will support.

This thing should be over in June if not sooner.

Dodgers won again , too. 8 in a row! Must be their new manager.

Love Peter, Paul and Mary!

Nite, y'all....

Here I am awake and all my USA friends are asleep !!! Well GOOD MORNING anyway!

Dan Abrams' re-hash of the Rev Wright/Obama drama
(HA! it rhymed!) has bothered me, also. It's been shown at least four times and I wonder if it will hurt Obama or help him. From what I saw, Abrams didn't give much commentary, and most of the talking heads say the continuation of the story will only hurt him, but I don't know. MTP is likely to be another Russert special
fluff piece. Isn't it amazing to see how many of these "journalists" have no pride in their profession?
A friend calls them "media pukes" which I never liked, but I have to say that Craig Crawford is just about the only one I can think of who doesn't qualify for that name.

Send Helen Thomas some flowers:

http://flowersforhelenthomas.chipin.com/helen-thomas-deserves-some-flowers

The Super Delegate Show Down

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/05/02/the-superdelegate-showdown-might-be-key-to-the-democratic-nomination.html

"If after all of these contests - Obama has a lead in pledged delegates - and he receives enough Super Delegate support to reach 2025 - he has earned the nomination."

Warren, why don't you state it correctly. Shouldn't it be:

If after the contests are completed, either candidate has 2025 total delegates, and it appears that there are no imminent changes in the delegate count that would lower the candidate's delegate count beneath that threshold, there is every reason to believe that the candidate will be declared the Party's nominee at the nominating convention.

This is a pro Obama blog discussing the problem with the Zogby poll numbers.

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/05/that-zogby-indi.html

Good morning...

An interesting read from Newsweek..."Was it ever going to be easy?"

http://www.newsweek.com/id/134322

From Karl Rove telling BHO he "won't get a pass on bluffing anymore." Just some insight into the repug response in the GE IF BHO get the dem nod. All SD should read.

I heard John Zogby on a radio program last night - he was in fast spin mode in favor of Obama. His brother is a SD for Obama.

ha.....stephanollypops had to stand up too......

Good morning all,

Big Browm didn't get mud in his face and did what he was given the odds to do and yes, Bob took the early lead. I was saddened by Belle..

Clinton won't break both her legs. She'll be close in NC and win Indi. The Democrats will be faced with nominating Obama who will ose to McCain as he continues to drop in credibility, or nominate Hillary who can beat McCain for the reasons she was recieved well on FOX.

I suspect Democrats might prefer defeat, but that is their decision to make. I listed the many lies of Obama including his own characterization of his mother as conservative. Obama supporters want to pick blind faith over facts, so be it.

With regard to the run Hillary Clinton has had in the last several States, Richardson just said on CNN that Obama is rebounding, "He just won Guam." Um, Guam by seven votes signals a turnaround?

as guam goes, so goes the nation........

--old Guamish proverb

I guess it's better to WIN Guam by 7 votes than it is to LOSE Guam by 7 votes. Besides , now Obama can say to Hillary, "Who won Guam? That's right. ME! Ha!"

a little brilliance to oppose the muddy fudgeousfare of politics:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPcnGrie__M

NEW THREAD

filmed proof that drinking beer, shooting pool, and smoking cigars will turn you into a jackass......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mypa-rmn5GE

any more word on the 500 spoiled and 3600 missing ballots in Guam? and what does "spoiled" mean? hanging chads again? wrong person voted for?

truemax said this, "I suspect Democrats might prefer defeat, but that is their decision to make."

so, am I reading this correctly Max, you are not a part of the Democrats like you have been saying for as long as you have been writing on this blog? If you misspoke, that is not like you or you have always been misspeaking. Are you a Republican?

yo soy Horsedooty!