Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

And about time.
Now let's see if the Obama camp realize how much they need the HRC camp. Or do they think they can do an end run by hiring the likes of Patti Solis Doyle and bring in Biden and other Democrats. Then try to leave the Clinton camp in the cold.

Jack

"Festivus for the Rest of Us. "

Right on!

Hi Jack

The other night you were posting some old Jimmie Rodgers songs. I found this and thought you might like it.

http:www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqc209-rwNI&feature=related

Louie Armstrong & Johnny Cash doing a JR Blues

Julie

Ruth -- I absolutely loved the story about your father. What part of the country is this bar in?

Also -- someone here posted a link to a son's club that looked so cool....who was that?

I think there's a lot the Obama camp doesn't realize.

Reality hasn't played a big part in this campaign, and I frankly think the cause lies with the media - no questions asked and more emotion than there was with the candidates. It has helped them keep the storyline going by giving them a new 'scandal' to talk about for weeks, when the 'scandal' would have been in the open from the beginning if they had asked. Reverend Wright was always there if they had asked, but then he wouldn't have been a 'scandal' they could talk about for months. They had to know better than to not ask - they must have salivated at the thought of stories to unfold during the primary season.

I hope the awakening for Camp Obama isn't a tale of disaster cuz we'll all suffer.

Julie

Good one , thanks
there are a lot mof good clips from the old Johnny Cash show out there.

Bed time see yun's later

Jack

Jack -- I will soon be able to get YouTube....a friend of mine in NY was having computer problems between her place in the city and the beach house (dang, what a problem to have!) -- so she started buying computers, and ended up with a new PC laptop she didn't need and sent it to me....Now I just have to get it hooked up into my cable system.

For those who expect today's Rules & By-laws Committee Meeting to be the last whimper of the Hillary Clinton Campaign, you will be sadly mistaken. The Clinton People will be in their element with articulate experts of the rules and solutions on their side. Finally, for the first time, we will see ardent supporters for Hillary that out number the BO supporters - not a majority but neverthless more. The Obama Campaign will, as usual be relying on their arrogance - with the world watching. I think the street fighters in this case, a.k.a. "Recount", will be the Clinton Campaign with the move-on.org and caucus thugs standing by helplessly watching as well. There will be some surprises because her campaign did not reveal all its cards in conference calls and interviews, etc. We know the 2026 delegates needed will change so Mr. Wonderful will NOT walk away with it after today's meeting. I, like all of you, will be watching in great anticipation.

The Obama camp is well aware it needs the Clinton voters and has been reaching out for some time now.

Between the two, Obama has been much more grounded in reality. That is why he prevailed.

The Chicago style politics -

No one should be suckered by the pure pablum propaganda of Barack Obama. His style of politics is as dirty as it gets. When the repubs start laying it on we are liable to see things we never thought about before. Lots of luck..
Had hopes of Hillary taking it to the convention. Next week is sure going to be eventful, one way or the other.

Patsi
With a laptop I would get a wireless connection
That way you can take it anywhere in the house.
When My laptop worked I enjoyed the freedom.

I think it is Ruths son who has the bar

Good night
Told my wife to wake me up early so we can go out and eat breakfast then walk the dogs in an ajoining neighborhood, without having to have them on a leash. If we wait till after nine then all the oldfolks will be out giving us dirty looks and lecturing us like we were teenagers.

Jack

"The Obama camp is well aware it needs the Clinton voters and has been reaching out for some time now"

A cite please, I haven't seen it and I've been looking for a little grown up behavior from the Obama Camp.

Jack

will be away for about 4 days, Patsi keep it going.
Wish I were going to be able to see tomorrows events.
I hope Stephanie Tubbs Jones gives em Hell.. She is scheduled to speak, either at an event or DNC meeting - not sure...

Night All

Julie

Oh Craig,
Not you too, say it isn't so, she's just gotta fight this all way to the convention. All she needs is more time to convince the SDs that's she's the better choice.

tick tock

"The Obama camp is well aware it needs the Clinton voters and has been reaching out for some time now."

The O-team will have much better chances with Hillary voters who absolutely NEVER read blogs.

Jack -- how much is a wireless connection? I still need my Mac/cable hookup.

Brian -- haven't the amoebas finished with you yet? It's interesting that you seem to have no problem with Teddy's having fought all the way to the convention...

"Stephanie Tubbs Jones"

Jule -- you know, if the AA community forces her, or Maxine or Sheila out over this primary, it will be their serious loss. They are acting like these women will not support Obama in the general, which they will -- and he will need them.

Oh boo hoo patsi.

"The O-team will have much better chances with Hillary voters who absolutely NEVER read blogs."

That would be most of them Patsi, hard working white people have so little time for things like blogging.

" hard working white people have so little time for things like blogging. "

Would that include you?

By the way -- no snark intended -- what's happened to Warren? I hope he's just between his gigs and everything's okay....

A reminder:

Rev. Wright's Greatest Hits!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AND-e_j28LY&feature=related

No patsi I'm not that hard working.

Big ad in last Sunday's NY Times - Hil'ry rally in DC for every vote to count. Since Craig was about the only person not to count McCain out months ago, I think he's got a pretty good bead on the Clinton campaign. Boy, I hope the BO-ers can tell me "I told you so," after the general...and again after he actually holds office.

VOTE FOR SEN OBAMA -- the agent of change

CHANGE FOR AMERICA

from ULTRACONSERVATIVE TO RADICAL LEFTIST

REMEMBER:
Rev Wright
Rezco
bitter
Ayers
Father Pfleger

Jonathan-Newsweek-"Hillary Needs to Get Out of the Race before the Texas/Ohio Primaries"-funny hair-Alter suggested on Thursday night that Nancy Pelosi putting an end to the Presidential Primary race by next week she said Thursday would be viewed differently with no charges of sexism since she is a woman herself. Bulls@$t! While it may not be sexism per se, it is one of those unfortunate things about women and competition sometimes. During the CA Primary, it was reported that NP's closest confidant in Congress (a man), had endorsed Obama, and it was highly speculated that this also meant NP was a supporter of BO as well. Over and over since then we have heard code words from NP that she in fact is a supporter of BO - "this is a delegate race", "whoever has the most delegates will win", never acknowledging SD's, etc. NP's daughter has written a book using themes from the BO campaign, but coyly saying she nor her mother had endorsed a candidate. Hmmm. I have been involved in the Women's Movement since the 70's. Women like Pelosi who break through the glass ceiling are NOT necessarily ever feminists, especially the ones in Corporate America. They do not credit women for their success since they got there without the help of women and have none of the same concerns that most women have. But, neither do they mentor other women or bring them along for fear they will get their jobs or get ahead of them. In fact, they become part of the good o'l boys system and pride themselves on male colleagues, friends, advisors as well as bosses. However, in politics, women's groups were organized primarily to lobby law makers on behalf of women's issues and to help get women elected to political office. Often after they have been there for a while, or in the case of NP whose political career was jumpstarted by her replacing someone, they too become part of the good o'l boys system as Ms. Pelosi seems to have done. Remember the congresswoman that hoped to be appointed to a position by Pelosi after she became Speaker of the House? Everybody said Pelosi would not choose this congresswoman (and she didn't!) because there was 'bad blood' between NP and this woman even though she was in line for this appointment. Well, obviously, Pelosi has something against Hillary Clinton as well or she would not have helped BO become the 'establishment' candidate which, by all rights, should have gone to Hillary. So, no, Jonathan Alter is wrong again! Whether it is sexism, competition, or raw jealousy, it is outrageous that as an Obama supporter, Pelosi has the gall to "try" to end this thing. I hope the Clinton Campaign defies her to the convention because she cannot tell a Presidential candidate, least of all, Hillary Clinton to go anywhere! There are no rules to support that.

I read about "They Shoot Horses, Don't They" on the last post and then I heard the same reference on the news tonight.

Interesting.

tt

Oh boo hoo Fran

Is that as good as you've got, Bri? "boo hoo"???

That and the fact my side wins!

tick tock

So Patsi why aren't you on a bus to DC at this very moment, sounds like tomorrow is going to be quite a gathering.

Did you sneer at the Million Man March or any other race-based demonstrations? Or are just women your enemy?

By the way -- since people have been talking movies....I'll have to mention that two of my favorites have been on tonight, Christine and The Fog.

McCain's Web gap is showing
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-onmedia30-2008may30,0,1308565.story

I only sneer at marches that attempt to steal nominations from the winner. So Patsi, think Hill want's the VP slot?

God I hope not. I would HATE to see her on that ticket.

McCain Campaign Manager's Firm Worked for Ukranian Billionaire with Ties to Iran

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/before_rick_davis_began_servin.php

So far McCain has really run a pretty bad campaign, in all candor I'm really surprised just how a bad a start he's gotten.

I'm certainly no McCain fan....although in 2000 I did kind of like him. Wouldn't have voted for him...but still had some respect. Now I think he's either senile or dying.

If Tennessee wasn't going Red no matter what, I'd have a dilemma, that of voting for my favorite Menendez brother. I'd probably end up voting Democrat even though I'd be about half sick.

But at least your guy have stopped with that "I am Joshua" crap. I DESPISED that tactic. Quasi-religious claptrap.

Bill Clinton’s enemies list?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10715.html

Boy bill sure asigns a lot of power to moveon.org, I'll should send them some more money next week.

Obama plans election kick-off at GOP convention site
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Obama_plans_election_kickoff_at_GOP_convention_site.html

Moveon has taken on an air of imperialism that offends me. Basicaly a bunch of rapidly aging frat rats.

Since all remaining candidates are staunch supporters of Zionism and none really care about the plight of the Palestinian people, and Obama has been rattling sabers at Iran for at least five years , and McCain is really McBush and will bomb Iran soon after election if he gets in, I feel it is a foregone conclusion that Iran will be bombed soon, ensuring never-ending US presence in that part of the world. McClellan hinted that Bush might yet bomb Iran.
Buckle your seatbelts, it's gonna be bumpy from here on out.

You know, Brian -- I keep hearing your pals on tv saying that Hillary MUST deliver her voting block to Obama -- basically half of all who voted...because if she doesn't, a Dem loss would be her fault. Yet I never heard them say same about the AA vote when Obama said he couldn't deliver it.

And here's the truth -- Bill and Hillary could come to my house with pizza and beer and it wouldn't sway my voteing or not. Because what I -- and a LOT of women -- have seen this cycle has larger implications.

"The fog is moving inland...."

Adrianne Barbeau

Patsi she doesn't have to do anything. I frankly think about 80% of those who voted for Hillary will naturally come to Obama's side of their own accord. Whatever is lost will be made up with new voters and very depressed repug turnout. I think the issue is really about what type of future Hillary wants in the party.

Dex being a Zionist doesn't not make anti Palestinian.

Ladies and Gentlemen, from the Houston Chonicle, I give you, The Obama Campaign -- meet the New Politics of Hope, Chicage-style:

An Obama mystery at state meet
By RICK CASEY

Texas Democratic Party Vice Chairwoman Roy LaVerne Brooks is a superdelegate who endorsed Barack Obama in March.

The longtime party activist from Fort Worth is also running to unseat
current state party Chairman Boyd Richie.

Imagine her surprise Tuesday when she received a disturbing phone call
from a national Obama operative who is
part of a group that parachuted into Texas to work on this weekend's state party convention.

Roy says the operative, Rudy Shank, told her that unless she drops her candidacy to unseat
Richie at the state convention she will not be going to the national convention as a superdelegate.

" I think the issue is really about what type of future Hillary wants in the party. "

I think it is really about what party we have left. If by some miracle the Mighty "O" wins the general, I smell a Jimmy Carter run....and instead of the rebirth of liberalism, we get another Ronnie Raygun era.

Good. Now I can go curl up with the cats and watch Puppet Masters with Paul Le Mat....

Former Bush donors now giving to Obama
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/39067.html

"Former Bush donors now giving to Obama
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/39067.html"

Meet the new "W".....

Jamie,
Reg. your tree post last night,

Saw it first thing this morning, and a great way to start the day.

What a beautiful tree and she did a really good job photographing i t - the way she caught the light .

I could happily spend the rest of my life under that tree.

Troll:

1. One who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers.

2. One who posts a deliberately provocative message with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.

3. A person who attacks and flames other members of the forum for any of a number of reasons such as rank, previous disagreements, sex, status, ect.

A troll usually flames threads without staying on topic, unlike a "Flamer" who flames a thread because he/she disagrees with the content of the thread.

Politics Chicago Style: For Julie; 12:35AM.......

Where is Mrs. O'Leary's Cow when you need it?

Patsi; I also would hate to see her on this ticket. They can malign Bill all they want but he came in handy with daddy Bush to settle things. Now, I hope both he and Hillary tell this particular DNC to FO in no uncertain terms, when they come whining for overseas help or her peoples votes.

We were told that we would forget about Pfleger's remarks in a little while. I personally will not forget what a bunch of sleazy creeps these are.

I'm also sick of hearing him be compared to JFK, who was war hero. This hand puppet doesn't know the meaning of the word service, unless it's sweetie, bring me a latte......

Mr. Crawford; pragmatism is so sad......

The Argument for Nominating Hillary
By LANNY J. DAVIS
May 31, 2008
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121219030144534313.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

Lanny has been Hillary's most loyal supporter throughout this campaign.

-how much is a wireless connection? I still need my Mac/cable hookup... Patsi

Patsi,
when we go wireless, AT&T was the cheapest.
And Jack's right, there's nothing like it.
You can check online to see the price and current deals.

oh, and Patsi,
They have a wireless adaptor at Best Buy for your desk top computer.

ATT really doesn't want to lose customers. I called a couple of months ago saying I wanted to drop my wire line because I was tired of them jacking up the prices. That would have left me with 'naked' DSL fast access extreme (or something like that) which I use for the internet and voip.

The CSR transferred me to a supervisor and before long I was getting local phone service (which I like as an emergency backup) _and_ the super DSL for less than the cost of DSL alone.

The other day I was out of the house when we decided to call overseas. Used my Sprint cell phone along with Skype and made the call using my local minutes. If I had been at a hot spot, I could have done it without using minutes.

When we were on the airplane coming home, I caught up on things using my Treo along with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse. It was as efficient as using a normal laptop but without the power management penalty and none of the size hassle. The BT keyboard folds to shirt pocket size, and the mouse bounces around in a trousers pocket.

I looked at the 'where they stand if...' chart in this morning's Times and wondered what the pledged delegate count would be if the party hadn't adopted that, what is it, 'proportional votes' rule to reward the most loyal precincts. Does anyone know where that question has been asked and answered?

follow up to LL : Yes I received my book, it is beautiful. I have just started and need to figure out a way to carve out a block of reading time in my busy days.

Have a wonderful weekend everyone.

peace~

(to Ally: "feat of strengths" .... "you have to wrestle your Father until you can pin me! ".... "Go Georgie you an do it!" )

Intimidate 08

Obama’s Campaign of Threats to Superdelegates ----
Specter of Violence Raised to Drive Lemmings

"A major fundraiser for the Obama campaign ... . Her organization has joined with a radical group that is threatening massive, unspecified protest actions in Denver if Hillary seizes the nomination. Now, Obama’s official mouthpiece warns that he could deploy these forces even sooner with the click of a button.

For the first time, a paid staffer of the Obama campaign appeared inspired by the ominous language of shadowy pro-Obama protest groups like “Recreate ‘68.”

While ironically accusing the Clinton campaign of “creating chaos,” Plouffe echoed the warnings by the Denver-based pro-Obama front group, Recreate ‘68, to stage massive protests, if not riots, if Clinton somehow attains the nomination.

Clearly Obama ‘08 is using the threat of protests — and even riots — to intimidate superdelegates."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/31/intimidate-08/

I'm really looking forward to the c-span coverage of the rules committee meeting (starts at 9:30 edt). Should be high drama interspersed with lengthy periods of boredom. On DirectTV it's on two contiguous segments so it will be easy to DVR--which I shall do.

I meant to say something the other day when I read someone's comment as saying that 'self censorship' was a desirable practice, at least in this blog.

I think self censorship is a terrible practice because it suggests that we are intimidated from speaking what's on our protected-speech mind.

That said, the ugly intimidation that we sometimes see here is probably protected-speech, but it sure is poor manners.

Golly, Dr Dean looks terrible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTr6Mleln4k

the slow talkers of america........Ray Goulding and Chris elliot's dad.......

Good morning peeps,
In the spirit of party unity I won't ask "has she quit yet".

In my opinion, Howard completely missed an opportunity to unite the two camps with that stupid story about Al Gore. What he could have said was something iike this:

"What I want each candidate's supporters to know is this: We VALUE each and every one of you. We know how difficult the end of this primary will be for the supporters of one candidate. And the passion you feel for your candidate is real and it is deserved. But I want you to know that we need your vote. We respect your vote. And we are going to earn your vote."

Instead he chose to portray those who feel slighted as ranting and raving lunatics (just like him.) And, actually, in this case it isn't about one person. It is about that one person and the 17 million people who support her.
Expecting people to fall in line for the "good of the country" isn't near as effective as ASKING and UNDERSTANDING.

And, Burrito, when I hear Howard Dean talk, it's like Yada Yada Yada.

I'm watching C-SPAN. Is anyone watching CNN or MSNBC?

I am on C-Span too Jamie.

msnbc

Jamie: Some early morning pics of Hugh Jackman frolicking in the surf for ya:

http://justjared.buzznet.com/2008/05/31/hugh-jackman-saturday-morning-swim/#more-48771

Yummy. 30 years younger and I would definitely be surfing.

Clinton supporters need a hug. Or some Stuart Smiley affirmations:

"You're good enough and gosh darn it, people like you."

Ally,

Well at least I'm not alone in thinking Dean's self serving little screed was another "poor me" from him and a slap at anyone in opposition.

Nothing about him has impressed me either as a candidate or in his role as DNC chair.

Garin: Not So Fast

Even though voting ends Tuesday, Clinton’s top strategist says “it’s very unlikely the nomination will be secured.”

http://thepage.time.com/2008/05/31/garin-not-so-fast/

Go Howie, go Howie, go Howie.

C-span, at least for now.

An observation about the Hillary group outside the
Marriott by Byron York at National Review.

"If there were a prize given for best sign at the noisy pro-Hillary demonstration outside the Marriott Wardman Park Hotel, Angela Church, of Henderson, Kentucky, would win it.

Church, who with a couple of friends set out yesterday afternoon and drove straight through to Washington, snagged a prime spot on Woodley Road so she could spin her sign to reveal both sides. The front said:

Democracy of the people
by the people
for the people
Count the Votes!
And the back said:

I have switched to FOX!"

It appears there may be more emerging "Fox viewers" in addition to those who have posted the same here.

Hard to believe that many now find FOX more suitable than the likes of msnbc & cnn.

Yes. Brian, far, far, far away.

As I listen to Howard Dean talk about party unity, I'm having visions of Obama looking down(literally and figuratively) at Hillary saying,"You're likeable enough"--and then we had to watch him strutting back and forth across the stage doing his Annie Oakley bit--the flicking off the shoulder--Michelle saying she would have to think about whether or not she would support Hillary if she became the nominee--and let's not forget about how he wouldn't want his daughter"to be punished with a baby."How can I vote for this man if he is the nominee?

Coreen,

I've switched to Fox. Four months ago, I would probably have choked over my words if I tried saying that.

Ok I see the tone has been set, the day is going to be spent by the hillary folks pissing and moaning all day.

*yawn*

Mr. Demonize and The moron are here --just wasted bandwidth.

They are going for 100% for the Florida Superdelegates. As he laid out the case, it sounds good.

"Instead he chose to portray those who feel slighted as ranting and raving lunatics (just like him.) And, actually, in this case it isn't about one person. It is about that one person and the 17 million people who support her. "

I thought the same thing. Dumb story.

FL. voters turned out in record numbers. We had an entire year to hear and see the candidates on TV. In normal election years, many states NEVER get to see the candidates. In fact, most voters don't get to see the candidates in person in any election year.
People in FL. did not stay home, they voted.

Dean is a liar

Flatus,

Have to admit, that I too find myself leaving the TV on
FOX on more occasions than I would ever have thought
before this primary season.

Who would have thought!

Sure Fox is appealing to you Clintonites. THE RIGHT WING WANTS TO RUN AGAINST CLINTON! Hell, I'd name the damn channel Clinton TV if I were a right winger looking to win in November. But nah, you guys just think Fox is being fair and balanced. Whew. Those surveys about Clinton voters being uneducated are pretty accurate...

"far, far, far away"

Reminds me of Fiddler On The Roof.

"Rabbi, Is there a blessing for the Tzar?"

"Yes. May the Lord bless and keep the Tzar ... far away from us."

As to Dean's opening remarks--he also said to
remember not only all those voters who came out
to vote in the primaries, but those who did not
turn out to vote because of the sanctions--(this
is one of the left wing blog arguments to not seat
the delegates) ---to me, a true cynic that was Dean's "code" to signal his view as to how he thinks this should go done.

Posted by: Mr. Democrat | May 31, 2008 10:46 AM

for someone who claims an education
you are an ignorant ass

This challenge is going to be lost, FL's SD will "suffer" the same penalty as the pledged. It's a clever challenge but totally baseless and smacks of back room deals.

MD

"Those surveys about Clinton voters being uneducated are pretty accurate..."

As usual, the gratuitous and unnecessary insult thrown in for good measure." If you don't worship at the shrine of St. Obama, you must be ignorant and uneducated.

Just for reference, I don't watch Fox but I have pretty well given up any viewing of MSNBC or NBC news as being nothing more than total Obama propaganda.

Typical Obama bullcrap
Spew insults not discuss the issues

The Obama supporters may be educated but they are exceptionally stupid. Why does this blog attract the idiot Obama supporters there must be smart ones someplace.

Had to leave for a few minutes to holler at a teenager. I'm glad Dean's remarks struck others as stuck on stupid.

There are some really silver-tongued attorneys in Florida. We just heard one. I heard a bunch when big-business was trying to shove it to our small city. They are good.

Poor , Poor FL mean ol GOP legislature.

Florida Democrats being treated as the enemy.

Pretty clear the Obama team has given up any "hope" for carrying Florida.

the day is going to be spent by the hillary folks pissing and moaning all day.

Posted by: BrianInNYC

While you'll be shitting and puffing and puffing and shitting.

And which end you use for what won't matter...

As years ago you ceased to tell them apart.

Clinton has stated many, many times on television (yelling at the top of her lungs) “they wanted us to get out after Iowa”. Who? When? Where? Can someone post a video clip or a statement from someone who asked her to get out after Iowa? That is completely absurd and most likely another “false over statement” by Clinton.

FL dems. They're sooo special

*best church lady impression*

The song title game is still in progress on my site for anyone who wants to fill in time during the hearings.

http://jdurward.blogspot.com/

Contempt for voters
The Obama slogan

You aren't good enough to vote for me

All they had to do was reschedule their elections like about 12 other State Dem parties have done who encountered unfriendly legislatures.

More myths and factless crap from Obamaland

Rez,

Aren't they the people they have been waiting for, too?

Just who aren't those wonderful, wonderful people?

And why aren't these ones good enough?

Former youth wants to know!

With Dean’s opening comments this morning he mentioned several counties and several states that had record turnout in the primaries for the Democrats. One he mentioned was Delaware County Ohio where the income per capita is one of the highest in the US. That is where my daughter and her husband live. She voted absentee this year due to having the baby, but in past years she has said “Mom, they had two lines…one for Democrats and one for Republicans. I was the only person standing in the Democrat line. She did this knowing many of the people in the Republican line”. That’s my girl! This year I’m betting those R’s voted for Obama.

I know many Republicans who changed and voted for Obama this year, and since these are pretty much high-income individuals, I’d say Obama can carry Ohio without Clinton in the race. Yes, there will be the bigots and racists I’ve mentioned before, but most intelligent individuals know that we cannot allow another Bush in the WH and go into another war in the Middle East, namely, IRAN. If we are sending our NAVY personnel to fight in “the sands” now (which is a fact), where will the additional troops come from for a fight in IRAN? I’d say the draft will start up and many older individuals will be having their lives disrupted severely, something the ones fighting now have encountered for five years. No McBush!

Are some of these statements part of the O-bots master plan to rally the party together?

"Whew. Those surveys about Clinton voters being uneducated are pretty accurate..."

"FL dems. They're sooo special"

" (yelling at the top of her lungs)"

9/11,

It's not the voters that caused these problems, it's their Party leaders.(FL)

killfile

Posted by: Karolenna | May 31, 2008 11:11 AM

Karoleena,

Here is a good "attack time line" complete with links to sources.

http://www.attacktimeline.com/

Bill Nelson is an annoying man.

The koolaide at Obama HQ is strong today.

res,

Thanks for explaining exactly who you were addressing.

I was surprised: you don't talk about voters in that way!

I wonder if anyone here ever had a love affair with party leadership at any time on any level...

"Bill Nelson is an annoying man"

Brilliant argument from the sock puppet

911,

Sorry for the broad brush. Thought it went without saying.

Voters have little control in the present but could for the future.

Normally top State party leadership changes with each cycle, my guess is that it will change more quickly in some states.

Re getting out after Iowa. Here is Carl Berstein in the Huffington Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-bernstein/an-analysis-on-clinton-af_b_79966.html

Yeah, he annoys the hell out of those in the fringe groups.

"When Johnson took office, 22.2 percent of Americans lived in poverty. When he left, only 13 percent were living below the poverty line -- the greatest one-time poverty reduction in U.S. history."

Joseph Califano in WAPO today on the importance of not just acknowledging but studying the LBJ presidency.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/30/AR2008053002445.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

EMILY’s List backs Rep. Cohen's primary opponent
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/emilys-list-backs-rep.-cohens-primary-opponent-2008-05-30.html

More disgraceful behavior from Emily's List!

911,
The WOP and civil rights were his biggest achievements, but Dems also credit those efforts with losing the Dixiecrats. So he gets villified and forgotten.

It makes me sad in my eye that Hillary won't be the democratic candidate.

But when Obama threatens primary opponents that is a good thing

More of it's only ok if Obama does it.
STFU

And this from an Obama supporter Griffin
"Not all voters are created equal?"
What the heck is she saying?

Typical of Obama supporters. Think they are better

Arthenia Joyner -- Woo Hoo! What a woman -- a great speech.

You may not be heard -- but speak anyway!

Love, love, love her.

Patsi
If you buy a wireless router it is around $75--$100 the last time I looked, probably cheaper now.
We get wireless router through the cable company for $5 a month. In the long run more expensive but if you have trouble you are able to get your tech support all in one place with no finger pointing. It helped with us. They couldn't find the problem so they replaced everything at no charge.
There is a plugin on the back of the wireless router for you to plug in your current computer or you can get a wireless adapter $70 or less. Mine is plugged directly into the router. Your laptop will also need a wireless connector, most newer ones come with them.

You will need to do a couple of security things, as I remember the instalation soft ware will walk you through them, or call tech support and they will.
One that a lot of people overlook is to password protect the network. that will restrict the network to only those that have the password. Otherwise that creepy neighbor may be using your connection to download his child porn.

Jack

Brian fails to mention that this is a predominantly black district with a white male congressman. So Emily's List, a group that supports ONLY female candidates, is supporting a black woman to represent a black Congressional district and the woman they are supporting came in second in the previous election to the man now holding the office.

"sad in my eye" ?

Obama supporter threatens primary challenges to those ...May 19, 2008 ... Obama supporter threatens primary challenges

Sunday, March 16, 2008
Obama Surrogate Threatens Super Delegates

Is anyone besides me tired of Obama surrogates threatening super delegates? On Meet The Press today Obama spokesperson, former Sen. Bill Bradley, basically threatened super delegates to support Obama ... or else face a challenger in their next election.

Obama supporters posting here are the dumbest

Jamie it's opposing a liberal democrat simply because he has penis. End of story, you want to rationalize bigotry that's your business, you're very good at it, have it.

Blond Wino for you

http://www.imeem.com/groups/QDIASkJ5,harry_belafonte//music/bEVzPGZJ/harry_belafonte_come_back_liza/

Posted by: BrianInNYC | May 31, 2008 11:39 AM

How do you rationalize your stupidity and ignorance
I heard the Obama campaign has asked you not to id yourself as a supporter

Brian

I am not EMILYS LIST

Take it up with them. That is THEIR charter.

As opposed to you who only supports people who have a penis..

still hoping to find one that likes you

So I guess your defense of them was just a knee jerk reaction to my post. I'll take it for what it's worth than.

Brian,

My response was based upon reading the article you posted (I assume you expected people to read it). The facts I posted were in that article and gave the reasons for their opposition to what you posted.

Did you hope to start a fire and then got doused when someone brought a pail of water to the party?

I meant to say something the other day when I read someone's comment as saying that 'self censorship' was a desirable practice, at least in this blog.

Posted by Flatus

I hope that wasn't my comment on civility. I just suggested that if we are going to continue to express anger at each other, we could try to do it once a day so the whole blog isn't drowning in finger pointing and chest pounding. Besides, I don't think anyone did it anyway, so c'ava!

Now Donna Brazile--

She also mentions protecting those that did not
vote (just as Dean made a point of)--again code speak for the same argument made by the left wing obama supporters to refuse to seat the delegations.

Jesse Jackson Jr. Threatens Colleagues

Where was the outcry?

Lame hypocrite liars

And I stated in my post Jamie I find their action disgraceful. I didn't fail to mention anything, the link was their for anyone to go read for further information. As you said, they are backing someone not based on issues, but on gender and race, the very essence of bigotry. Thanks for proving my point.

As to Dean's opening remarks--he also said to
remember not only all those voters who came out
to vote in the primaries, but those who did not
turn out to vote because of the sanctions--(this
is one of the left wing blog arguments to not seat
the delegates) ---to me, a true cynic that was Dean's "code" to signal his view as to how he thinks this should go done.

Posted by: Coreen | May 31, 2008 10:46 AM

Oh how weird. Well if we used the reasoning of who DIDN'T vote in primaries, why would we count any primaries at all? I realize it is slightly different, but that's a strange argument.

Posted by: BrianInNYC | May 31, 2008 11:54 AM

As opposed to the threats from the Obama campaign
Obama started this fight and wimps like you are now running from the fight claiming bigotry

The stupid here is amazing

Wexler is doing an outstanding job!

Wexler's great!

If Dean and Brazile keep this rhetoric up they certainly won't come anywhere close to bringing unity between Clinton and Obama supporters...

And I stated in my post Brian I find the action of the Obama campaign disgraceful. I didn't fail to mention . As you said, they are backing someone not based on issues, but on support for one candidate, the very essence of anti Democracy Thanks for proving my point. you are an idiot

Wexler's presentation was by far the most impressive. Wow.

Jamie it's opposing a liberal democrat simply because he has penis.

Posted by: BrianInNYC

I made a point yesterday about what frightens Brian most about HRC, Jamie, Patsi, OD, Alicia, Ally et al.

Panic. Rage. Stark terror.

DICK DOCKED!

No wonder he squeals in rage and insults ad feminem.

DICK DOCKED!
DICK DOCKED!
DICK DOCKED!

Now go suck on a doobie and find escape from you monstrosheties.

At some point in the future, let us hope that groups such as Emily's List will not be necessary and that ALL candidates will be financially supported based only upon their qualifications. That time has not yet come. Women candidates are still underfunded in such a way as to exclude them from effective campaigns against their male counterparts.

The chain of great Negro Colleges were established to allow the maximum number of African Americans to get degrees when the doors to most colleges and universities were closed to them. They are now able to admit all races because conditions have changed.

At some point when women can raise funds equal to their male counterparts with the same qualifications and experience, maybe Emily's List can donate to a man.

Also again --

"Tick tock" is Captain's Hook's terror of the crocodile.

With Brian...

It's his fear of the crotchodile.

9/11

"crotchodile"

I did not need that mental image. lol

9/11 doesn't it get confusing changing your nickname on this blog?

Hey all. So what's the consensus among the committee members? From what I understand Florida will be seated in full, but with only a half-vote, which means that HRC nets 19. The controversy involves what do with Michigan, right? Which is kind of crazy. You would think, given that she ran an uncontested race, thus it *isn't* really a race, that you would almost have to do a 50/50 split in that state.
Anyway, by my lights, anything other than a 50/50 split is unacceptable. Unless, of course, the null the state completely, which they should to both anyway. This isn't democracy. This is a primary, which is a system, which is in its own structural logic anti-democratic. Why else would you have delegates/superdelegates. All this HRC peeps crying foul on the grounds of democracy are kind of foolish in this context. Now the general election, that's another matter. There you actually have concerns about democracy.

Posted by: BrianInNYC | May 31, 2008 12:05 PM

That's more your style. Mr. sock puppet and his handjobs

My feeling Utopia is that Obama has decided to give em Florida and not MI. The DNC rules clearly state that the florida delegation be penalized by 50%, how that is enforced is up to the committee.

Sorry, I kind of caught up. So it looks like Clinton will only get 29 delegates out of the weekend. Apparently, once all the other candidates who were not on the ballot in Michigan agree to give their votes to Obama, this whole thing will come to a close and they will seat the state in full.

Brian, thanks. The above post was from information on the Huffingtonpost post which has "sources inside" evidently.

"9/11 doesn't it get confusing changing your nickname on this blog?"

How do you know and what disguise do you think he is using?

How many aliases do you have talking to yourself?

Jamie it's rather obvious.

Wexler just delivered a nice smack down to Ickes!

Let Us Unify!

Jamie it's rather obvious.

Posted by: BrianInNYC

Yes you are rather obvious.
You're an idiot and your sock puppets are too

"Let Us Unify"

Obama speak for "Do It My Way or Else"

Flatus,

Earlier in today's comments you mentioned the self-censorship post. That was me. In reflection I should have said self restraint. That is what I was thinking when I wrote that comment.

But now that the Summer of Love is over, lets use another 60's expression. Let it all hangout!

LOL
Somebody needs to tell Obama there is general election to win and his ego driven desire to destroy the Clintons is interfering with that goal.

Jack

Wexler is doing fantastic.

Yeah, how dare Obama want to win the nomination.

i never thought in my life that i would see an american politician break a sweat arguing that votes should not be counted (and to wild applause yet)! nice job wexler. i'm sure you'll go down in history...

a lot different from his speech in 2000

I never thought I'd see a candidate agree that an election didn't count and then turn around and assert that the same election should count when it became useful to her.

Do you people believe anything said in these hearings are real?
Come on, we're all adults here. Everybody is playing to the camera. It is about as real as reality TV or Pro Wrestling.

Jack

9/11 doesn't it get confusing changing your nickname on this blog?

Posted by: BrianInNYC

Bri-Bri Miss American Lie --

You never get anything about me right.

Aside from your diminished reading skills -- I post what I have to say under this name.

You claimed yesterday I wrote all day about you -- and then I listed the nearly two dozen topics about which I'd posted.

Again... you see only what you wish to see in your hall of broken funhouse mirrors.

What you see is who you hate -- you know his name like you know your own.

Wexler was outstanding! Ickes walked out! LOL

Excuse me. That candidate said that while she accepted the DNC decision she would do everything in her power to get the delegations seated. She is fulfilling that promise while the other candidate works to disenfranchise as many votes as possible just as he did in the caucuses and now before the committee.

FYI

A fundamental principle of delegate selection is expressed in the provision of the Charter requiring
that delegates be chosen through processes which “assure that delegations fairly reflect the division
of preferences expressed by those who participate in the Presidential nominating process.”14

Similarly, Rule 13(A) of the Delegate Selection Rules provides that, “Delegates shall be allocated in
a fashion that fairly reflects the expressed presidential preference or uncommitted status of the
primary voters….”

In this case, it can be argued, there is no basis for ensuring “fair reflection” of presidential
preference other than to use the results o