Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

And about time.
Now let's see if the Obama camp realize how much they need the HRC camp. Or do they think they can do an end run by hiring the likes of Patti Solis Doyle and bring in Biden and other Democrats. Then try to leave the Clinton camp in the cold.

Jack

"Festivus for the Rest of Us. "

Right on!

Hi Jack

The other night you were posting some old Jimmie Rodgers songs. I found this and thought you might like it.

http:www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqc209-rwNI&feature=related

Louie Armstrong & Johnny Cash doing a JR Blues

Julie

Ruth -- I absolutely loved the story about your father. What part of the country is this bar in?

Also -- someone here posted a link to a son's club that looked so cool....who was that?

I think there's a lot the Obama camp doesn't realize.

Reality hasn't played a big part in this campaign, and I frankly think the cause lies with the media - no questions asked and more emotion than there was with the candidates. It has helped them keep the storyline going by giving them a new 'scandal' to talk about for weeks, when the 'scandal' would have been in the open from the beginning if they had asked. Reverend Wright was always there if they had asked, but then he wouldn't have been a 'scandal' they could talk about for months. They had to know better than to not ask - they must have salivated at the thought of stories to unfold during the primary season.

I hope the awakening for Camp Obama isn't a tale of disaster cuz we'll all suffer.

Julie

Good one , thanks
there are a lot mof good clips from the old Johnny Cash show out there.

Bed time see yun's later

Jack

Jack -- I will soon be able to get YouTube....a friend of mine in NY was having computer problems between her place in the city and the beach house (dang, what a problem to have!) -- so she started buying computers, and ended up with a new PC laptop she didn't need and sent it to me....Now I just have to get it hooked up into my cable system.

For those who expect today's Rules & By-laws Committee Meeting to be the last whimper of the Hillary Clinton Campaign, you will be sadly mistaken. The Clinton People will be in their element with articulate experts of the rules and solutions on their side. Finally, for the first time, we will see ardent supporters for Hillary that out number the BO supporters - not a majority but neverthless more. The Obama Campaign will, as usual be relying on their arrogance - with the world watching. I think the street fighters in this case, a.k.a. "Recount", will be the Clinton Campaign with the move-on.org and caucus thugs standing by helplessly watching as well. There will be some surprises because her campaign did not reveal all its cards in conference calls and interviews, etc. We know the 2026 delegates needed will change so Mr. Wonderful will NOT walk away with it after today's meeting. I, like all of you, will be watching in great anticipation.

The Chicago style politics -

No one should be suckered by the pure pablum propaganda of Barack Obama. His style of politics is as dirty as it gets. When the repubs start laying it on we are liable to see things we never thought about before. Lots of luck..
Had hopes of Hillary taking it to the convention. Next week is sure going to be eventful, one way or the other.

Patsi
With a laptop I would get a wireless connection
That way you can take it anywhere in the house.
When My laptop worked I enjoyed the freedom.

I think it is Ruths son who has the bar

Good night
Told my wife to wake me up early so we can go out and eat breakfast then walk the dogs in an ajoining neighborhood, without having to have them on a leash. If we wait till after nine then all the oldfolks will be out giving us dirty looks and lecturing us like we were teenagers.

Jack

"The Obama camp is well aware it needs the Clinton voters and has been reaching out for some time now"

A cite please, I haven't seen it and I've been looking for a little grown up behavior from the Obama Camp.

Jack

will be away for about 4 days, Patsi keep it going.
Wish I were going to be able to see tomorrows events.
I hope Stephanie Tubbs Jones gives em Hell.. She is scheduled to speak, either at an event or DNC meeting - not sure...

Night All

Julie

"The Obama camp is well aware it needs the Clinton voters and has been reaching out for some time now."

The O-team will have much better chances with Hillary voters who absolutely NEVER read blogs.

Jack -- how much is a wireless connection? I still need my Mac/cable hookup.

"Stephanie Tubbs Jones"

Jule -- you know, if the AA community forces her, or Maxine or Sheila out over this primary, it will be their serious loss. They are acting like these women will not support Obama in the general, which they will -- and he will need them.

" hard working white people have so little time for things like blogging. "

Would that include you?

By the way -- no snark intended -- what's happened to Warren? I hope he's just between his gigs and everything's okay....

A reminder:

Rev. Wright's Greatest Hits!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AND-e_j28LY&feature=related

Big ad in last Sunday's NY Times - Hil'ry rally in DC for every vote to count. Since Craig was about the only person not to count McCain out months ago, I think he's got a pretty good bead on the Clinton campaign. Boy, I hope the BO-ers can tell me "I told you so," after the general...and again after he actually holds office.

VOTE FOR SEN OBAMA -- the agent of change

CHANGE FOR AMERICA

from ULTRACONSERVATIVE TO RADICAL LEFTIST

REMEMBER:
Rev Wright
Rezco
bitter
Ayers
Father Pfleger

Jonathan-Newsweek-"Hillary Needs to Get Out of the Race before the Texas/Ohio Primaries"-funny hair-Alter suggested on Thursday night that Nancy Pelosi putting an end to the Presidential Primary race by next week she said Thursday would be viewed differently with no charges of sexism since she is a woman herself. Bulls@$t! While it may not be sexism per se, it is one of those unfortunate things about women and competition sometimes. During the CA Primary, it was reported that NP's closest confidant in Congress (a man), had endorsed Obama, and it was highly speculated that this also meant NP was a supporter of BO as well. Over and over since then we have heard code words from NP that she in fact is a supporter of BO - "this is a delegate race", "whoever has the most delegates will win", never acknowledging SD's, etc. NP's daughter has written a book using themes from the BO campaign, but coyly saying she nor her mother had endorsed a candidate. Hmmm. I have been involved in the Women's Movement since the 70's. Women like Pelosi who break through the glass ceiling are NOT necessarily ever feminists, especially the ones in Corporate America. They do not credit women for their success since they got there without the help of women and have none of the same concerns that most women have. But, neither do they mentor other women or bring them along for fear they will get their jobs or get ahead of them. In fact, they become part of the good o'l boys system and pride themselves on male colleagues, friends, advisors as well as bosses. However, in politics, women's groups were organized primarily to lobby law makers on behalf of women's issues and to help get women elected to political office. Often after they have been there for a while, or in the case of NP whose political career was jumpstarted by her replacing someone, they too become part of the good o'l boys system as Ms. Pelosi seems to have done. Remember the congresswoman that hoped to be appointed to a position by Pelosi after she became Speaker of the House? Everybody said Pelosi would not choose this congresswoman (and she didn't!) because there was 'bad blood' between NP and this woman even though she was in line for this appointment. Well, obviously, Pelosi has something against Hillary Clinton as well or she would not have helped BO become the 'establishment' candidate which, by all rights, should have gone to Hillary. So, no, Jonathan Alter is wrong again! Whether it is sexism, competition, or raw jealousy, it is outrageous that as an Obama supporter, Pelosi has the gall to "try" to end this thing. I hope the Clinton Campaign defies her to the convention because she cannot tell a Presidential candidate, least of all, Hillary Clinton to go anywhere! There are no rules to support that.

I read about "They Shoot Horses, Don't They" on the last post and then I heard the same reference on the news tonight.

Interesting.

tt

Is that as good as you've got, Bri? "boo hoo"???

Did you sneer at the Million Man March or any other race-based demonstrations? Or are just women your enemy?

By the way -- since people have been talking movies....I'll have to mention that two of my favorites have been on tonight, Christine and The Fog.

God I hope not. I would HATE to see her on that ticket.

I'm certainly no McCain fan....although in 2000 I did kind of like him. Wouldn't have voted for him...but still had some respect. Now I think he's either senile or dying.

If Tennessee wasn't going Red no matter what, I'd have a dilemma, that of voting for my favorite Menendez brother. I'd probably end up voting Democrat even though I'd be about half sick.

But at least your guy have stopped with that "I am Joshua" crap. I DESPISED that tactic. Quasi-religious claptrap.

Moveon has taken on an air of imperialism that offends me. Basicaly a bunch of rapidly aging frat rats.

Since all remaining candidates are staunch supporters of Zionism and none really care about the plight of the Palestinian people, and Obama has been rattling sabers at Iran for at least five years , and McCain is really McBush and will bomb Iran soon after election if he gets in, I feel it is a foregone conclusion that Iran will be bombed soon, ensuring never-ending US presence in that part of the world. McClellan hinted that Bush might yet bomb Iran.
Buckle your seatbelts, it's gonna be bumpy from here on out.

"The fog is moving inland...."

Adrianne Barbeau

Ladies and Gentlemen, from the Houston Chonicle, I give you, The Obama Campaign -- meet the New Politics of Hope, Chicage-style:

An Obama mystery at state meet
By RICK CASEY

Texas Democratic Party Vice Chairwoman Roy LaVerne Brooks is a superdelegate who endorsed Barack Obama in March.

The longtime party activist from Fort Worth is also running to unseat
current state party Chairman Boyd Richie.

Imagine her surprise Tuesday when she received a disturbing phone call
from a national Obama operative who is
part of a group that parachuted into Texas to work on this weekend's state party convention.

Roy says the operative, Rudy Shank, told her that unless she drops her candidacy to unseat
Richie at the state convention she will not be going to the national convention as a superdelegate.

" I think the issue is really about what type of future Hillary wants in the party. "

I think it is really about what party we have left. If by some miracle the Mighty "O" wins the general, I smell a Jimmy Carter run....and instead of the rebirth of liberalism, we get another Ronnie Raygun era.

Good. Now I can go curl up with the cats and watch Puppet Masters with Paul Le Mat....

"Former Bush donors now giving to Obama
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/39067.html"

Meet the new "W".....

Jamie,
Reg. your tree post last night,

Saw it first thing this morning, and a great way to start the day.

What a beautiful tree and she did a really good job photographing i t - the way she caught the light .

I could happily spend the rest of my life under that tree.

Troll:

1. One who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers.

2. One who posts a deliberately provocative message with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.

3. A person who attacks and flames other members of the forum for any of a number of reasons such as rank, previous disagreements, sex, status, ect.

A troll usually flames threads without staying on topic, unlike a "Flamer" who flames a thread because he/she disagrees with the content of the thread.

Politics Chicago Style: For Julie; 12:35AM.......

Where is Mrs. O'Leary's Cow when you need it?

Patsi; I also would hate to see her on this ticket. They can malign Bill all they want but he came in handy with daddy Bush to settle things. Now, I hope both he and Hillary tell this particular DNC to FO in no uncertain terms, when they come whining for overseas help or her peoples votes.

We were told that we would forget about Pfleger's remarks in a little while. I personally will not forget what a bunch of sleazy creeps these are.

I'm also sick of hearing him be compared to JFK, who was war hero. This hand puppet doesn't know the meaning of the word service, unless it's sweetie, bring me a latte......

Mr. Crawford; pragmatism is so sad......

The Argument for Nominating Hillary
By LANNY J. DAVIS
May 31, 2008
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121219030144534313.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

Lanny has been Hillary's most loyal supporter throughout this campaign.

-how much is a wireless connection? I still need my Mac/cable hookup... Patsi

Patsi,
when we go wireless, AT&T was the cheapest.
And Jack's right, there's nothing like it.
You can check online to see the price and current deals.

oh, and Patsi,
They have a wireless adaptor at Best Buy for your desk top computer.

ATT really doesn't want to lose customers. I called a couple of months ago saying I wanted to drop my wire line because I was tired of them jacking up the prices. That would have left me with 'naked' DSL fast access extreme (or something like that) which I use for the internet and voip.

The CSR transferred me to a supervisor and before long I was getting local phone service (which I like as an emergency backup) _and_ the super DSL for less than the cost of DSL alone.

The other day I was out of the house when we decided to call overseas. Used my Sprint cell phone along with Skype and made the call using my local minutes. If I had been at a hot spot, I could have done it without using minutes.

When we were on the airplane coming home, I caught up on things using my Treo along with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse. It was as efficient as using a normal laptop but without the power management penalty and none of the size hassle. The BT keyboard folds to shirt pocket size, and the mouse bounces around in a trousers pocket.

I looked at the 'where they stand if...' chart in this morning's Times and wondered what the pledged delegate count would be if the party hadn't adopted that, what is it, 'proportional votes' rule to reward the most loyal precincts. Does anyone know where that question has been asked and answered?

follow up to LL : Yes I received my book, it is beautiful. I have just started and need to figure out a way to carve out a block of reading time in my busy days.

Have a wonderful weekend everyone.

peace~

(to Ally: "feat of strengths" .... "you have to wrestle your Father until you can pin me! ".... "Go Georgie you an do it!" )

Intimidate 08

Obama’s Campaign of Threats to Superdelegates ----
Specter of Violence Raised to Drive Lemmings

"A major fundraiser for the Obama campaign ... . Her organization has joined with a radical group that is threatening massive, unspecified protest actions in Denver if Hillary seizes the nomination. Now, Obama’s official mouthpiece warns that he could deploy these forces even sooner with the click of a button.

For the first time, a paid staffer of the Obama campaign appeared inspired by the ominous language of shadowy pro-Obama protest groups like “Recreate ‘68.”

While ironically accusing the Clinton campaign of “creating chaos,” Plouffe echoed the warnings by the Denver-based pro-Obama front group, Recreate ‘68, to stage massive protests, if not riots, if Clinton somehow attains the nomination.

Clearly Obama ‘08 is using the threat of protests — and even riots — to intimidate superdelegates."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/31/intimidate-08/

I'm really looking forward to the c-span coverage of the rules committee meeting (starts at 9:30 edt). Should be high drama interspersed with lengthy periods of boredom. On DirectTV it's on two contiguous segments so it will be easy to DVR--which I shall do.

I meant to say something the other day when I read someone's comment as saying that 'self censorship' was a desirable practice, at least in this blog.

I think self censorship is a terrible practice because it suggests that we are intimidated from speaking what's on our protected-speech mind.

That said, the ugly intimidation that we sometimes see here is probably protected-speech, but it sure is poor manners.

Golly, Dr Dean looks terrible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTr6Mleln4k

the slow talkers of america........Ray Goulding and Chris elliot's dad.......

In my opinion, Howard completely missed an opportunity to unite the two camps with that stupid story about Al Gore. What he could have said was something iike this:

"What I want each candidate's supporters to know is this: We VALUE each and every one of you. We know how difficult the end of this primary will be for the supporters of one candidate. And the passion you feel for your candidate is real and it is deserved. But I want you to know that we need your vote. We respect your vote. And we are going to earn your vote."

Instead he chose to portray those who feel slighted as ranting and raving lunatics (just like him.) And, actually, in this case it isn't about one person. It is about that one person and the 17 million people who support her.
Expecting people to fall in line for the "good of the country" isn't near as effective as ASKING and UNDERSTANDING.

And, Burrito, when I hear Howard Dean talk, it's like Yada Yada Yada.

I'm watching C-SPAN. Is anyone watching CNN or MSNBC?

I am on C-Span too Jamie.

Jamie: Some early morning pics of Hugh Jackman frolicking in the surf for ya:

http://justjared.buzznet.com/2008/05/31/hugh-jackman-saturday-morning-swim/#more-48771

Yummy. 30 years younger and I would definitely be surfing.

Clinton supporters need a hug. Or some Stuart Smiley affirmations:

"You're good enough and gosh darn it, people like you."

Ally,

Well at least I'm not alone in thinking Dean's self serving little screed was another "poor me" from him and a slap at anyone in opposition.

Nothing about him has impressed me either as a candidate or in his role as DNC chair.

Garin: Not So Fast

Even though voting ends Tuesday, Clinton’s top strategist says “it’s very unlikely the nomination will be secured.”

http://thepage.time.com/2008/05/31/garin-not-so-fast/

C-span, at least for now.

An observation about the Hillary group outside the
Marriott by Byron York at National Review.

"If there were a prize given for best sign at the noisy pro-Hillary demonstration outside the Marriott Wardman Park Hotel, Angela Church, of Henderson, Kentucky, would win it.

Church, who with a couple of friends set out yesterday afternoon and drove straight through to Washington, snagged a prime spot on Woodley Road so she could spin her sign to reveal both sides. The front said:

Democracy of the people
by the people
for the people
Count the Votes!
And the back said:

I have switched to FOX!"

It appears there may be more emerging "Fox viewers" in addition to those who have posted the same here.

Hard to believe that many now find FOX more suitable than the likes of msnbc & cnn.

As I listen to Howard Dean talk about party unity, I'm having visions of Obama looking down(literally and figuratively) at Hillary saying,"You're likeable enough"--and then we had to watch him strutting back and forth across the stage doing his Annie Oakley bit--the flicking off the shoulder--Michelle saying she would have to think about whether or not she would support Hillary if she became the nominee--and let's not forget about how he wouldn't want his daughter"to be punished with a baby."How can I vote for this man if he is the nominee?

Coreen,

I've switched to Fox. Four months ago, I would probably have choked over my words if I tried saying that.

Mr. Demonize and The moron are here --just wasted bandwidth.

They are going for 100% for the Florida Superdelegates. As he laid out the case, it sounds good.

"Instead he chose to portray those who feel slighted as ranting and raving lunatics (just like him.) And, actually, in this case it isn't about one person. It is about that one person and the 17 million people who support her. "

I thought the same thing. Dumb story.

FL. voters turned out in record numbers. We had an entire year to hear and see the candidates on TV. In normal election years, many states NEVER get to see the candidates. In fact, most voters don't get to see the candidates in person in any election year.
People in FL. did not stay home, they voted.

Dean is a liar

Flatus,

Have to admit, that I too find myself leaving the TV on
FOX on more occasions than I would ever have thought
before this primary season.

Who would have thought!

Sure Fox is appealing to you Clintonites. THE RIGHT WING WANTS TO RUN AGAINST CLINTON! Hell, I'd name the damn channel Clinton TV if I were a right winger looking to win in November. But nah, you guys just think Fox is being fair and balanced. Whew. Those surveys about Clinton voters being uneducated are pretty accurate...

"far, far, far away"

Reminds me of Fiddler On The Roof.

"Rabbi, Is there a blessing for the Tzar?"

"Yes. May the Lord bless and keep the Tzar ... far away from us."

As to Dean's opening remarks--he also said to
remember not only all those voters who came out
to vote in the primaries, but those who did not
turn out to vote because of the sanctions--(this
is one of the left wing blog arguments to not seat
the delegates) ---to me, a true cynic that was Dean's "code" to signal his view as to how he thinks this should go done.

Posted by: Mr. Democrat | May 31, 2008 10:46 AM

for someone who claims an education
you are an ignorant ass

MD

"Those surveys about Clinton voters being uneducated are pretty accurate..."

As usual, the gratuitous and unnecessary insult thrown in for good measure." If you don't worship at the shrine of St. Obama, you must be ignorant and uneducated.

Just for reference, I don't watch Fox but I have pretty well given up any viewing of MSNBC or NBC news as being nothing more than total Obama propaganda.

Typical Obama bullcrap
Spew insults not discuss the issues

The Obama supporters may be educated but they are exceptionally stupid. Why does this blog attract the idiot Obama supporters there must be smart ones someplace.

Had to leave for a few minutes to holler at a teenager. I'm glad Dean's remarks struck others as stuck on stupid.

There are some really silver-tongued attorneys in Florida. We just heard one. I heard a bunch when big-business was trying to shove it to our small city. They are good.

Poor , Poor FL mean ol GOP legislature.

Florida Democrats being treated as the enemy.

Pretty clear the Obama team has given up any "hope" for carrying Florida.

Clinton has stated many, many times on television (yelling at the top of her lungs) “they wanted us to get out after Iowa”. Who? When? Where? Can someone post a video clip or a statement from someone who asked her to get out after Iowa? That is completely absurd and most likely another “false over statement” by Clinton.

FL dems. They're sooo special

*best church lady impression*

The song title game is still in progress on my site for anyone who wants to fill in time during the hearings.

http://jdurward.blogspot.com/

Contempt for voters
The Obama slogan

You aren't good enough to vote for me

All they had to do was reschedule their elections like about 12 other State Dem parties have done who encountered unfriendly legislatures.

More myths and factless crap from Obamaland

Rez,

Aren't they the people they have been waiting for, too?

Just who aren't those wonderful, wonderful people?

And why aren't these ones good enough?

Former youth wants to know!

With Dean’s opening comments this morning he mentioned several counties and several states that had record turnout in the primaries for the Democrats. One he mentioned was Delaware County Ohio where the income per capita is one of the highest in the US. That is where my daughter and her husband live. She voted absentee this year due to having the baby, but in past years she has said “Mom, they had two lines…one for Democrats and one for Republicans. I was the only person standing in the Democrat line. She did this knowing many of the people in the Republican line”. That’s my girl! This year I’m betting those R’s voted for Obama.

I know many Republicans who changed and voted for Obama this year, and since these are pretty much high-income individuals, I’d say Obama can carry Ohio without Clinton in the race. Yes, there will be the bigots and racists I’ve mentioned before, but most intelligent individuals know that we cannot allow another Bush in the WH and go into another war in the Middle East, namely, IRAN. If we are sending our NAVY personnel to fight in “the sands” now (which is a fact), where will the additional troops come from for a fight in IRAN? I’d say the draft will start up and many older individuals will be having their lives disrupted severely, something the ones fighting now have encountered for five years. No McBush!

Are some of these statements part of the O-bots master plan to rally the party together?

"Whew. Those surveys about Clinton voters being uneducated are pretty accurate..."

"FL dems. They're sooo special"

" (yelling at the top of her lungs)"

9/11,

It's not the voters that caused these problems, it's their Party leaders.(FL)

killfile

Posted by: Karolenna | May 31, 2008 11:11 AM

Karoleena,

Here is a good "attack time line" complete with links to sources.

http://www.attacktimeline.com/

The koolaide at Obama HQ is strong today.

res,

Thanks for explaining exactly who you were addressing.

I was surprised: you don't talk about voters in that way!

I wonder if anyone here ever had a love affair with party leadership at any time on any level...

"Bill Nelson is an annoying man"

Brilliant argument from the sock puppet

911,

Sorry for the broad brush. Thought it went without saying.

Voters have little control in the present but could for the future.

Normally top State party leadership changes with each cycle, my guess is that it will change more quickly in some states.

Re getting out after Iowa. Here is Carl Berstein in the Huffington Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-bernstein/an-analysis-on-clinton-af_b_79966.html

Yeah, he annoys the hell out of those in the fringe groups.

"When Johnson took office, 22.2 percent of Americans lived in poverty. When he left, only 13 percent were living below the poverty line -- the greatest one-time poverty reduction in U.S. history."

Joseph Califano in WAPO today on the importance of not just acknowledging but studying the LBJ presidency.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/30/AR2008053002445.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

911,
The WOP and civil rights were his biggest achievements, but Dems also credit those efforts with losing the Dixiecrats. So he gets villified and forgotten.

It makes me sad in my eye that Hillary won't be the democratic candidate.

But when Obama threatens primary opponents that is a good thing

More of it's only ok if Obama does it.
STFU

And this from an Obama supporter Griffin
"Not all voters are created equal?"
What the heck is she saying?

Typical of Obama supporters. Think they are better

Arthenia Joyner -- Woo Hoo! What a woman -- a great speech.

You may not be heard -- but speak anyway!

Love, love, love her.

Patsi
If you buy a wireless router it is around $75--$100 the last time I looked, probably cheaper now.
We get wireless router through the cable company for $5 a month. In the long run more expensive but if you have trouble you are able to get your tech support all in one place with no finger pointing. It helped with us. They couldn't find the problem so they replaced everything at no charge.
There is a plugin on the back of the wireless router for you to plug in your current computer or you can get a wireless adapter $70 or less. Mine is plugged directly into the router. Your laptop will also need a wireless connector, most newer ones come with them.

You will need to do a couple of security things, as I remember the instalation soft ware will walk you through them, or call tech support and they will.
One that a lot of people overlook is to password protect the network. that will restrict the network to only those that have the password. Otherwise that creepy neighbor may be using your connection to download his child porn.

Jack

Obama supporter threatens primary challenges to those ...May 19, 2008 ... Obama supporter threatens primary challenges

Sunday, March 16, 2008
Obama Surrogate Threatens Super Delegates

Is anyone besides me tired of Obama surrogates threatening super delegates? On Meet The Press today Obama spokesperson, former Sen. Bill Bradley, basically threatened super delegates to support Obama ... or else face a challenger in their next election.

Obama supporters posting here are the dumbest

Blond Wino for you

http://www.imeem.com/groups/QDIASkJ5,harry_belafonte//music/bEVzPGZJ/harry_belafonte_come_back_liza/

As opposed to you who only supports people who have a penis..

still hoping to find one that likes you

I meant to say something the other day when I read someone's comment as saying that 'self censorship' was a desirable practice, at least in this blog.

Posted by Flatus

I hope that wasn't my comment on civility. I just suggested that if we are going to continue to express anger at each other, we could try to do it once a day so the whole blog isn't drowning in finger pointing and chest pounding. Besides, I don't think anyone did it anyway, so c'ava!

Now Donna Brazile--

She also mentions protecting those that did not
vote (just as Dean made a point of)--again code speak for the same argument made by the left wing obama supporters to refuse to seat the delegations.

Jesse Jackson Jr. Threatens Colleagues

Where was the outcry?

Lame hypocrite liars

As to Dean's opening remarks--he also said to
remember not only all those voters who came out
to vote in the primaries, but those who did not
turn out to vote because of the sanctions--(this
is one of the left wing blog arguments to not seat
the delegates) ---to me, a true cynic that was Dean's "code" to signal his view as to how he thinks this should go done.

Posted by: Coreen | May 31, 2008 10:46 AM

Oh how weird. Well if we used the reasoning of who DIDN'T vote in primaries, why would we count any primaries at all? I realize it is slightly different, but that's a strange argument.

Wexler's great!

If Dean and Brazile keep this rhetoric up they certainly won't come anywhere close to bringing unity between Clinton and Obama supporters...

Wexler's presentation was by far the most impressive. Wow.

At some point in the future, let us hope that groups such as Emily's List will not be necessary and that ALL candidates will be financially supported based only upon their qualifications. That time has not yet come. Women candidates are still underfunded in such a way as to exclude them from effective campaigns against their male counterparts.

The chain of great Negro Colleges were established to allow the maximum number of African Americans to get degrees when the doors to most colleges and universities were closed to them. They are now able to admit all races because conditions have changed.

At some point when women can raise funds equal to their male counterparts with the same qualifications and experience, maybe Emily's List can donate to a man.

9/11

"crotchodile"

I did not need that mental image. lol

Hey all. So what's the consensus among the committee members? From what I understand Florida will be seated in full, but with only a half-vote, which means that HRC nets 19. The controversy involves what do with Michigan, right? Which is kind of crazy. You would think, given that she ran an uncontested race, thus it *isn't* really a race, that you would almost have to do a 50/50 split in that state.
Anyway, by my lights, anything other than a 50/50 split is unacceptable. Unless, of course, the null the state completely, which they should to both anyway. This isn't democracy. This is a primary, which is a system, which is in its own structural logic anti-democratic. Why else would you have delegates/superdelegates. All this HRC peeps crying foul on the grounds of democracy are kind of foolish in this context. Now the general election, that's another matter. There you actually have concerns about democracy.

Sorry, I kind of caught up. So it looks like Clinton will only get 29 delegates out of the weekend. Apparently, once all the other candidates who were not on the ballot in Michigan agree to give their votes to Obama, this whole thing will come to a close and they will seat the state in full.

"9/11 doesn't it get confusing changing your nickname on this blog?"

How do you know and what disguise do you think he is using?

How many aliases do you have talking to yourself?

"Let Us Unify"

Obama speak for "Do It My Way or Else"

Flatus,

Earlier in today's comments you mentioned the self-censorship post. That was me. In reflection I should have said self restraint. That is what I was thinking when I wrote that comment.

But now that the Summer of Love is over, lets use another 60's expression. Let it all hangout!

LOL
Somebody needs to tell Obama there is general election to win and his ego driven desire to destroy the Clintons is interfering with that goal.

Jack

Wexler is doing fantastic.

Yeah, how dare Obama want to win the nomination.

i never thought in my life that i would see an american politician break a sweat arguing that votes should not be counted (and to wild applause yet)! nice job wexler. i'm sure you'll go down in history...

a lot different from his speech in 2000

I never thought I'd see a candidate agree that an election didn't count and then turn around and assert that the same election should count when it became useful to her.

Do you people believe anything said in these hearings are real?
Come on, we're all adults here. Everybody is playing to the camera. It is about as real as reality TV or Pro Wrestling.

Jack

Excuse me. That candidate said that while she accepted the DNC decision she would do everything in her power to get the delegations seated. She is fulfilling that promise while the other candidate works to disenfranchise as many votes as possible just as he did in the caucuses and now before the committee.

FYI

A fundamental principle of delegate selection is expressed in the provision of the Charter requiring
that delegates be chosen through processes which “assure that delegations fairly reflect the division
of preferences expressed by those who participate in the Presidential nominating process.”14

Similarly, Rule 13(A) of the Delegate Selection Rules provides that, “Delegates shall be allocated in
a fashion that fairly reflects the expressed presidential preference or uncommitted status of the
primary voters….”

In this case, it can be argued, there is no basis for ensuring “fair reflection” of presidential
preference other than to use the results of the January 29 primary.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/05/_democratic_national_committee.html

Mr. Demonize

The Obama way to victory -voter suppression and disenfranchising voters
Luv ur new politics

Yes we have no bananas

Ah, voter suppression. Like caucuses don't matter? Or counting elections where voters are told the results don't matter, so people don't show up? Nah, that's Clintonian politics.

2000
Robert Wexler's lawsuit against county Elections Supervisor Theresa LePore and ... "We must be sure that every vote cast is tabulated fairly and accurately

what a hypocrite

In article Rez posted: Most recent request by MI to the committee. It sounds reasonable to me

May 12, 2008
Through State Chair Mark Brewer, Michigan State Executive Committee filed a challenge seeking the reinstatement of Michigan’s delegates. The challenge
sought the reinstatement of all delegates (pledged and unpledged) with a full vote each. The challenge requested the 128 pledged delegates be allocated 69
to Sen. Hillary Clinton and 59 to Sen. Barack Obama.

At the same time, Joel Ferguson formally withdrew his challenge filed on April 17, 2008.

Mr. Wexler at least twice refused to answer the direct
question regarding whether he opposed the seating of the entire FL delegation if that were to be allowed.

It is clear, contrary to all of his theatrics that he as
the obama representative to the proceedings would be
willing to only seat a minimal number of delegates, a number that in no way would impact obama's total pledged delegate number.

There is no other way to read his refusal to actually answer the questions posed by 2 of the RBC members

Ms Huffman nicely exposed his claim of wanting to
"unify" the party by allowing half the delegation to be
seated, when she asked in what way would seating the entire delegation be construed as "disunity" if that were to be decided. Again Mr. Wexler refused to answer the question.

Presidential primary was not the only matter on the Florida ballot and Floridians showed up in record numbers

the only people saying votes don't count are obamabots

can't win in a fair fight so have as few people vote as possible...voter suppession how GOP of you
Not surprising as your sock puppet Karlobagofhate
says it's the Republicans who will elect Obama
real Democrats don't want him

MD

Many people don't "show up" at a caucus because they are elderly, disabled, working, lack transportation, out of town, in the military etc.

It is not a lack of desire to vote. It is being disenfranchised because they are unable to participate at a given time and place.

There is no provision given for them to vote by mail or even by proxie. As such, the caucus system is a total refutation of the one man one vote principle and totally undemocratic.

"There is no other way to read his refusal to actually answer the questions posed by 2 of the RBC members"

Coreen,

For some RBC members who voted to disallow ALL FL delegates. This is a compromise and seeks party unity.

Some Dems believe a State party must be penalized for violating rules; which by the way was stipulated by both camps.

Whatever happens, I hope Dean gets thrown out on his ear as chairman.

Alex Koppleman of Salon finds a very different nature and purpose to the protestors than cable geniuses do --

When I walked into the crowd of protesters outside the Democrats' rules committee meeting on Saturday, I was ready to jot down some pro-Clinton quotes. I figured that's what I'd get. After all, that's what this protest is about, isn't it? That's what I saw on cable TV.

Make no mistake. A lot of people there voted for Hillary Clinton. There were some Hillary signs held aloft in the crowd. I could wrestle an anti-Obama quote out of a few folks. With a little pushing, I got a middle-aged white woman to go on about the whiff of sexism wafting over the race for the White House.

But if you just walk up to the protesters and ask them why they are there, the people who traveled from across the country that I talked to said they were angry because the Florida/Michigan debacle gives them sinking feeling that that America democracy is broken. Clinton didn't pay their bus fare, or even tell them to show up, they said.

Either Hillary Clinton has deployed hundreds of disciplined robots in front of the Marrriot Wardman Park Hotel in Washington (a headline I expect to see on Drudge) or cable TV is getting it at least partially wrong.

"We are here because we want every vote counted," said Wesley Taylor, who traveled by bus from Coral Springs, Florida to air his bad feelings. Taylor, who voted for John Edwards in the primary, served 14 years in the Army, including service in Bosnia. "I didn’t fight not to have my vote counted," he said.

Hey Bri-Bri -- go call Wesley and tell him "boo hoo".

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/

Dean is doing a great job. Fifty state strategy is paying off big time. Internet fundraising is breaking records. Clinton folks are so stuck in the 90s, that they don't understand that Dean has gotten the Democrats out of the old "if we just win Florida or Ohio, we'll win" strategy and now we make Republicans compete everywhere, including places like Mississippi and Louisiana.

"Many people don't "show up" at a caucus because they are elderly, disabled, working, lack transportation, out of town, in the military etc."

Jamie,

Those kind of issues can be worked out. Having control of your elections is paramount. Details can be hammered out. Conducting a Caucus, like we do in WA assures that in light of FL.
In our Caucus, we sent a rules change request for just those concerns.

Obama’s Support Is Cracking and — Frankly — It Is In FREEFALL!

RASMUSSEN REPORTS TODAY:

"Obama’s numbers are 45% favorable and 53% unfavorable (see recent daily ratings). Those figures represent Obama’s lowest ratings of the year. His favorability ratings peaked at 56% in mid-February. Twenty-five percent (25%) have a Very Favorable opinion of Obama while 37% have a Very Unfavorable view."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/31/obamas-support-is-cracking-and-frankly-it-is-in-freefall/

Bowmanc, ET
I must have thought we were all reading off the same sheet--that was probably why I didn't say anything at the time. But somehow it kept bouncing around in my head so I brought it up. Since we all agree, glad I did.

Rez,

I can actually see a caucus/primary split of some sort. Even with changes that permit other votes to be admitted via proxie, the caucus is still open to blatant intimidation and there are those who dislike the public nature of the vote and prefer the privacy of the voting booth.

For the most part, the caucus, county convention/state convention is just a fund raising mechanism for the party and there are other ways to accomplish that. Still if that is what the party wants, they should be allowed a caucus.

The Republican Party in the state opted for the 50/50 split and that strikes me as the fairest possible way to treat all voters.

Gordo,
I think his numbers have fallen but I question Rasmussen. That just highlights what many (not you) have been saying : this intra-party fighting and prolonged campaign are hurting our party and giving your Gramps a head start.

Clinton Campaign Announces the Endorsement of 22 South Dakota Native American Leaders

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=7870

Rez,

Respectfully, Wexler's failure to answer the questions regarding seating all of fl delegates highlighted just how disengenuous his over-the-top commentary was

Wexler was actually arguing AGAINST the interests of Florida.

He was arguing for a compromise Coreen as I heard him, which is in the best interest of FL.

Some is better than none in my book.

Situational ethics
The hallmak of the Obama campaign

If the votes were the other way, Obama and his pig supporters would be squealing all over the place

DeC,

is that : He who has the gold, rules.

btw, how's the weather down there.

REMEMBER: Obama Spent $1.3 MILLION (not counting TV ads) in Florida

Feb 18, 2008

"Hillary Clinton and Obama each spent about $130,000 in Michigan while Obama spent $1.3 million in Florida–more than any other Democratic candidate and more than eight Republican candidates, who were eligible to win delegates from the state.

Update [2008-2-20 12:11:51 by Jerome Armstrong]: Harold Ickes just remarked, in a press conference, that Obama has spent “around a million” on television ads in Florida."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/31/remember-obama-spent-13-million-not-counting-tv-ads-in-florida/

Trying to claim victory when you haven't won is not only pathetic but being a bad sport,

Obama supporters dupes of the media

G Man,

I waiting for the new signature:

I know it's noquarter

I think it worse to claim a big victory in a race in which you are the only runner. LOL

Yeah Gordo only Obama rags are worthy
a man who helped uncover the Plame cover up and hasdone more to recover from Bush excess is BADDDDDDDDDDDD because he supports Clinton

Censorship, voter suppression and hate speech
the new politics of hope and change

"I think it worse to claim a big victory in a race in which you are the only runner. LOL"

you mean like when Obama forces everyone out of his primary for state senate?

And to be factually correct Clinton was not the only name on the ballot of course lies and stupid cheap shots are all Obama supporters have

Oh that's right she beat Gravel, Dodd , and ole what's their name! Like i said big victory.

I say give the MI delegates, maybe some of her supporters will quite whining.

No one told Obama to take his name off the ballot

Live with the consequences the coast of pandering to Iowa

"I write my own talking points Flatus."

I never thought otherwise. I was more curious about the existence of an 'official' list circulated to active supporters.

Don't bet on it Rez. : )

Jamie,

It's your/(her) way or the highway. I figured that way back there.

It was a joke Rez. I just argue for what I believe it.

The trouble is that the Obama folks aren't happy with a concession of primary victory. They seem to want abject groveling sorry we dared to impede your master's progress to bringing Nirvana to the poor bedraggled masses and a confession of benighted ignorance for even daring to think he might be merely human in his capacities.

Jamie,

Sorry but I think it was the other way around. Hillary was the anointed one, disrupted on her coronation by some ridiculous upstart.

Most Obama supporters just want to call it what it is and move on to the GE. Valuable time and resources are being wasted and Gramps is getting a pass while we're fighting.

Rez, I've not asked for a pass.

Sorry Gramps :) My bad

All this was totally predictable - the Clinton campaign will use opposition research info to "destroy" Obama before the roll call vote. If they don't, the Repubs will by Nov.

later all, gotta go play grease monkey on my rig:(

RE: My Blog...

I've set my blog to private because I am a bit spooked by this article:

Because of information in this article, I have decided to make my profile private.

Snippet from article:

In addition, teens [people] are increasingly using social networking sites such as MySpace and Facebook to create blogs and post photos, videos and music. A 2007 report by the Pew Internet & American Life Project concluded that 55 percent of all online teens had a profile on a social networking site.

When teens put too much personal information out in the virtual world, they give real-world con artists the opportunity to steal their identities.

File-sharing software, which allows users to download music and videos, is particularly risky, experts say.

"The biggest identity theft threat posed by peer-to-peer software such as LimeWire, etc., is that people who use it don't often realize that they have documents with sensitive information in the same folders as the files that they are sharing with the world," says Paul Ferguson, network architect with Trend Micro, an Internet security solutions provider.

To read the entire article, go to:

http://finance. yahoo. com/banking-budgeting/article/105159/Identity-Theft-Through-a-Lifetime

IF YOU WANT TO READ MY BLOG, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SEND ME AN EMAIL...

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I say give the MI delegates, maybe some of her supporters will quite whining.

Posted by: Rezdog | May 31, 2008 1:49 PM

Rez, that is pretty dismissive of Clinton supporters. It's a tactic out of the Republican nasty play book to call Democrats "whiners" when the recount in Florida was in process. Remember the signs? "Sore Loserman" ???

Looks like Larry Johnson may be the way to get the Obama "dirt" out . He can claim that he got it from Repub sources who are opposed to McCain (like the Repub billionaire). This method will get past the "fingerprint" problem for Hillary.

Larry Johnson has mentioned a Repub billionaire more than once - LJ seems to be laying the public groundwork for a source of anti-Obama info. I suspect he is working with Sydney Blumenthal of the Clinton campaign.

This was posted on May 19:

"Obama Freakout Over Michelle Video: The Ticking “Whitey” Time Bomb

And I’ve learned that a right-wing Republican billionaire has put a $1 million bounty on the video. He doesn’t want John McCain to win, like a number of conservatives, and thinks Obama is a pathetically weak candidate. The billionaire wants that video released now."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/19/obama-freakout-over-michelle-video-the-ticking-whitey-time-bomb

Well, it seems like it's almost over. The Clinton camp has run out of arguments. Once the superdelegates decide, the circus will finally leave town.

I know I'm an Obama supporter, but I'm getting really tired of this whole sad affair.

Let's finish it and cheer on Obama!

So sorry Democracy bores you.

QUestion ... What's Craig's email address?

I was going to send in my picture, but can't find the paper I wrote it on & not sure what day he mentioned it to look it up ...

!:^}
viv

So, after all is said and done, Donna and other Obama supporters on the rules committe want to take votes from Hillary, and give them to Obama. They want to give Obama votes from uncommitted voters and consider giving Obama votes from exit polling. And, since they can read minds, they want to somehow represent people who did not vote.

C-Span is replaying Sen Nelson's testimony. He was good the first time around; he's even better the second time.

It's really refreshing hearing someone speak from the heart rather than replaying the same stump-speech, or mouthing the words, written by G knows whom, displayed on a teleprompter.

cqtrailmix@verizon.net

Bowmanc : Thanks for the address !:^}

Flatus : YES, I enjoyed his testimony more the second time around too .. I wasn't quite awake before & think Imust have missed some, probably with me dozing off .. !:^lzzzz

POU : this IS Democracy!! this is what it's about .. I'm just sorry you & others can't see that ....

" what do you the rest of you think?"

Frankly, Scarlett.....

John McCain is trusted more that Barack Obama on National Security, Taxes, Economy and Iraq and Obama leads McCain on Government ethics..
The results of the latest Rasmussen polling report shows that little has changed from a month ago when they asked the same questions.

Mccain is trusted more than Obama on a variety of issues, his favorable ratings are better than Obamas and he is seen as the candidate more likely to reach across party lines to work with both Republcans and Democrats
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/255435

Looks like Obama supporters have a lot of work to do.
Better get off the blog and into the real world or come November you are going to have a lot of 'splainin' to do.

From the Daily Presidential Tracking Poll published on May 31, 2008:

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows that John McCain attracting 46% of the vote nationwide while Barack Obama earns 43%. This marks the fifth straight day that McCain has enjoyed at least a three-point advantage over Obama.

On a generic basis Democrats are still trusted more than Republicans but when the issues are divided, McCain takes the lead against Obama in 4 out of the five areas.

Another interesting statistic from last month's Rasmussen's report about this issue showed that when party label is inserted instead of individual names, the Democrat is chosen, but when the names are replaced with the party label, McCain takes the lead over Obama.

Then we get to the favorable ratings, in which John McCain takes the lead over Barack Obama as well.

McCain is viewed by 52 percent of the voters as favorable and 46 percent unfavorable and Obama is viewed favorably by 45 percent of the voters and unfavorably by 52 percent.

These are the lowest ratings for Obama all year.

GOP nominates the one candidate who can win
The Democrats are set to nominate the who can lose.

Hey

what a circus
No ladies in tights
Dancing pretty.
Car loads of Clowns

What a sad day
For a Democrat

Cheer up Democrats
Sure Obama is going to tank
But divided government is going to rule
North Carolina
Kentucky
Mississippi
Virginia
Alaska

Moderate to conservative Democrats
are threatening the Republicans

Nationally may be disaster.
Locally, looks good
Makes Democrats
look more like America

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote Divide government
Vote McCain

A Clinton Hurricane Hits Outside the DNC Hearing Room

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/a-clinton-hur-1.html

Karoleena

If any of my children or grandchildren were as foul mouthed and ill behaved as you are, I wouldn't get in the car much less go for a drive with them.

Now there is a large NObama movement forming. Groups on Facebook & My Space are getting more members all the time. This is mostly a younger demographic. We are bound to see more activity on these networking sites.

Here is a sample from Facebook

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It is our intention to pass along information gathered from mainstream and alternative media sources to expose Senator Obama for who he was, is and wants to be. Whether you agree with our conclusions or sources is of no consequence to us. We may step in some mud puddles along the way, but politics is messy.

Obama’s slogans are ‘hope’ and ‘change’. What hope? What change? Can this man be trusted to execute the office of United States President?

We do have some concerns about Obama’s background and influences, but will refrain from offering opinions so you can form your own.

Quote from Barack Obama’s book “The Audacity of Hope” –
“...I will stand with them (Arab and Pakistani Americans) should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

Project Islamic Hope - http://islamichope.org

"I opposed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996. It should be repealed and I will vote for its repeal on the Senate floor. I will also oppose any proposal to amend the U.S. Constitution to ban gays and lesbians from marrying." (Windy City Times - 2004)

Obama’s connection with the Weather Underground terrorist group -
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/15/obamas-terrorist-ties/

The Tony Rezko connection: http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/353829,CST-NWS-rez23.article

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1960154/replies?c=98

Frank Marshall Davis - Obama’s communist mentor -
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/

Obama’s big government economic plan will kill the middle class
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MGYxYWM4NjkxMjUwMzBhZDAwNTg2NjZmYmU5MWU2ZmQ

Obama's support of infanticide --
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59702

Obama's plan to disarm America http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs

Commentary on Obama from Ken Blackwell (who is Ken Blackwell? http://www.kenblackwell.com/)

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/KenBlackwell/2008/03/04/run,_hillary,_run!?page=full&comments=true

And so on.

Ken Blackwell - far right Republican Here's his WIKI

Ken Blackwell

Oops

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Blackwell

Forgot this wasn't blogger.

Obama forced the closed door meeting because his campaign did not want the public to see them in action

Obama resigning from Trinity

Obama resigns from Trinity

Now that he has already benefited from the hate speech.

Yep. Sen. Obama is about at "new school" as a Chicago gang machine gun.

Jamie,

If he is knowing about his machinations and ploys, then sort of good for him.

If he is naive and deluded about himself...

Pray.

As we might have two variations on Duhya ahead of us.

However, sometime around nine years from now... another press secretary might publish another No. 1 Amazon bestseller.

Until then...

We'll just have to re-read Macbeth.

And Hillary's place at the convention SHOULD be the same as Banquo's Ghost at that triumphant banquet...

Yep. Sen. Obama is about at "new school" as a Chicago gang machine gun.

Posted by: Jamie | May 31, 2008 5:49 PM

Happy Happy Demonization Day

One trick pony
Happy to jump in without knowing what is going on

Happy irrelevant posting day

And Happy Happy Back To You!

Irrelevent is not enough courage to show your who you really are.

And with that, this irrelevent Type Key Person is going to go back to work.

CIO!

CNN is reporting that Obama just dropped his membership in his church. The meeting may start up in a few minutes.

You can dish it out or let your pet troll dish it out but
you can't take it

Run away

They seem to be happy so I think they will make a decision.

vadaryl,

Michelle must be thrilled.

Wonder what the bill for that one will be?

This church story could steal the headlines later on tonight.

could be high, also this happiness could be a little show.

Again Obama made a political move by quitting his church.

Interesting some don't have smiles, so maybe it is a little show going on.

You are the one who showed up and attacked without
even bothering to read the thread

You can dish it out but you cannot take it

This doesn't make the "Pastor Problems" disappear - raises more questions. There is much more out there.

9/11,

You really know how to make a girl blush...Thank you for knowing me.

Here's something I just posted on Daily Kos...

Both candidates divide the party (0+ / 0-)
This one-sided aiming at only Mrs. Clinton because she didn't bow to the presumed winner is totally unfair.

Mr. Obama sneered at Hillary early enough, dismissively saying "you're likable enough Hillary". He arrogantly claimed he could get most of her supporters to vote for him, but couldn't make the same claim for his supporters to vote for her if she was the nominee. What was that? DIVISIVE. He basically said "if I don't get the nomination, my supporters won't support Hillary and the Republicans will win".

Appeaser, I don't know if we have the same goals in mind. The Obama supporters are constantly trashing Mrs. Clinton and her supporters. The MSM are chastising the "little lady" for not knowing HER place and dropping out when told she should. Bad bad girl! Now reverse this. If all the MSM had been constantly trashing Mr. Obama and his supporters and suggesting he didn't know his place because he even dared run against her, wouldn't you be pissed?

The fanciful charges Obama supporters have lodged toward Hillary Clinton are not only divisive, they are shameful. I think the lowest is the suggestion that her reference to Robert Kennedy was a veiled call to have Obama assassinated. And now the Obama supporters are expecting the Clinton supporters to kiss and make up?

Ms. Appeaser ... ( excuse me if the gender is wrong). Your statement about needing each other and finding ways to heal the divide is laudable and necessary. Things aren't going to "heal" however if 1 out of 100 Obama supporters try to say "we all need to stop alienating fellow Democrats" and the other 99 say what a fucking bitch Hillary is and how Obama basically is the saviour of the 21st Century. I haven't seen footage of him walking on water yet, but I am sure it won't be long in coming.

This is how absurd the whole thing has become. And it is one reason that I am soooo conflicted about being able to vote for Obama in the general... "I can get HER votes" ... that speaks directly to me, and I don't want to be treated as a foregone conclusion.

Sorry Obama supporters. Not all of us are in love with your candidate. However, not many of us HATE him like you hate Hillary.

Tonyb39,

I truly respect your position and I welcome any discussion we have. Your so new, I forgot that we had a very nice back and forth the other day. Thanks for reminding me!

BHO resigning his church membership shows me, once again, that BHO is just another politician doing/saying what he has to do/say to try to get elected.

tick tock, Barack...

Great Idea

http://crybabiesforhillary.blogspot.com/

Here you go.

Chef
Thankyou!! if we ever do heal it will be because of peaple like you and many others here!! Jamie 2
Euro Tom
Brilliant So Much of what you wrote is like its coming out of my head.Especially about when Sen Obama said he could get her voters that was also a turning point for me!!!

Everyone has an interesting life story

If you show up and make an inflamatory charge
then you should expect reaction. If you can only dish it out -then just serve it at home.

Wish I could watch. it sounds like this Rules Committee meeting is being fair! I would like to have heard the Michigan delegation. I am wondering if they at least mentioned how screwed up the primary was.

My vote doesn't count because I wrote in Obama.... But I am hoping all the uncommitted will be.

Here's a gift to a bunch of very smart and thoughtful people.

Also to anyone else who wants a great, rare chance to listen to a lost masterpiece.

In 1976 there was something which was assumed to be a great disaster in the American theater.

Two authentic geniuses who never should have been seated next to each other at a dinner party let alone collaborate on a play whose originality would have tested anyone created it --

Leonard Bernstein and Alan Jay Lerner.

Here is the complete play as recorded pretty darn well at one of its few performances.

The stars are Ken Howard (from The White Shadow and 1776) and Patricia Routledge (from a lot of Pinter and Britcoms)... along with Gilbert Price, Emily Yancy and the late great Bruce Hubbard.

You will quite likely NEVER see this performed as the Bernstein kids have banned it from performance.

The most you will get of it elsewhere is a sort of tepid White House Cantata which squeezed Lerner's vision out of it.

The original plan was a play within a play in which two actors play every president and first lady up to TR... and two actors play a married pair of black servants, the male of whom was found by Abigail Adams after he escaped to the free zone of the District of Columbia..

In the original the play would break up frequently as the actors stepped out of character and into each other's faces to speak and argue about race and history.

This one isn't that one. It is pretty much a straight piece of narrative with only one number at the start where the actors break character without too many sharp shards flying around.

It is still great.

These are among Lerner's greatest lyrics. And if you love any of Bernstein's musicals and classical works, this is as good as any of them... including that uncommon gift he had to combine idealism and sentimental emotion and come up with something you can never let go of.

As a lot about race, power and government gets thrown around here (along with Presidents and their spouses)...

This one's a timely thing to share.

The full title is 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue: A Musical About The Problems of Housekeeping.

(Great, huh?)

Just listening to the song that begins...

"Oh, the future's looking bright...
Bright and black!"

http://www.thesingingstage.com/2008/05/1600-pennsylvania-avenue-1976-original.html

9/11

Ditto about Sheila. She is a truly wonderful person. Our current differences are not political. I respect both her and her accomplishments.

Clinton supporters are really showing their class.

anyone remember claudius' last word about his marriage to caligula's sister?

As always, Mr. Democrat...

You keep showing your ass...

Which with you seems like your complete topography.

Wouldn't it be good if there was a little more dimension to you and a little (well, a lot) less dementia?

EuroTom,

There's an awful lot of hatred toward Obama. From your Pug's weird divided government. To Patsi echoing Geraldine Ferraro. To GORDO being uh, GORDO. Then you have the NOBAMA folks, and that's just from this thread.

Hey, I don't hate Hillary. I just dislike how she's run her campaign and how the actions have been underhanded toward Obama.

sturgeone,

I don't. Looking through both books...

But remembering Derek Jacobi, the coin and the ferryman.

Thiis is one of my favorite political jokes...but it really isn't funny. 8~(

Everything sounds so wonderful, while candidates are campaigning...

While walking down the street one day a US senator is tragically hit by a truck and dies.

His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance. "Welcome to heaven," says St. Peter. "Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts, you see, so we're not sure what to do with you." "No problem, just let me in," says the man. "Well, I'd like to, but I have orders from higher up. What we'll do is have you spend one day in hell and one in heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity." "Really, I've made up my mind. I want to be in heaven," says the senator. "I'm sorry, but we have our rules." And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell.

The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a clubhouse and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him. Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run to greet him, shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the expense of the people.

They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster, caviar and champagne. Also present is the devil, who really is a very friendly guy who has a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are having such a good time that before he realizes it, it is time to go.

Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator rises... The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him. "Now it's time to visit heaven." So, 24 hours pass with the senator joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns.

"Well, then, you've spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now choose your eternity." The senator reflects for a minute, then he answers: "Well, I would never have said it before, I mean heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in hell."

So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell. Now the doors of the elevator open and he's in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage. He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags as more trash falls from above.

The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulder. "I don't understand," stammers the senator. "Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and clubhouse, and we ate lobster and caviar, drank champagne, and danced and had a great time. Now there's just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable. What happened?"

The devil looks at him, smiles and says, "Yesterday we were campaigning. Today you voted."

Oh, and I forgot about the loony 9/11...

hint.......he was quoting sophocles........

Oh, Mr. Democrat.

You make me blush.

You think I'm just like you!

It's love! I swear it!

Here is the post that started it.
She made an inflamatory attack and when called on it
acted like she had done nothing.

Yep. Sen. Obama is about at "new school" as a Chicago gang machine gun.

Posted by: Jamie | May 31, 2008 5:49 PM

Happy Happy Demonization Day

Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun | May 31, 2008 5:57 PM

Chef
I wish your vote for Sen.Obama would have counted to!!! I blame the DNC for there Rules Rules Rules it seems to me that there should have been other penalies imposed that didn't include taking away votes.What those penalties should have been I don't know?

according to graves, of course......

Let all the poisons which lurk in the mud hatch out.

Looks like love is in the air at Trailmix today...(more or less)

And June Is Bustin' Out All Over

That's what we like to see.

sturgeone,

Ach.

Still looking and can't remember.

But look what I found!

"The I, Claudius Project: From Antiquity to the BBC -- Fact or Fiction?"

Very rich stuff.

Hey

what's the song?

"you've got to stand for something or you will fall for anything"

What does Obama man
Stand for?

Pure ambition?

power?
Bye bye, Trinity

Another one bites the dust

Friends don't let friends vote a straight ticket
Vote divided government
Vote McCain

Friends d

Let all the poisons which lurk in the mud hatch out.

Posted by: sturgeone

sturge,

Why, that's love, too!!!!

Sheila

It was in response to a message by Karoleena higher up on the page and a reflection of the way Sen. Obama had campaigned in Illinois.

9/11 and Jamie,

Old Friends, It is almost over.....relaxing my shoulders and rubbing my temples.

I thank you for the vote of confidence. This has been one heck of a year and a half. Lets go on to victory now, after rubbing some salve on the wounds.

I know we still have the convention, but lets get beyond that too.

I just made some eggplant rollitini and have lamb shanks in the oven.

I made oatmeal raison cookies, roasted a chicken, made red lentil soup and hummus. Toasted pita chips, and marinated lamb chops today.

All in the name of having tomorrow and monday off.

just about to make some caesar dressing and grill some chicken for chicken caesar salad tonight.

Whew!! keep writing the results. I want to know.

There's an awful lot of hatred toward Obama. From your Pug's weird divided government. To Patsi echoing Geraldine Ferraro. To GORDO being uh, GORDO. Then you have the NOBAMA folks, and that's just from this thread.

Hey, I don't hate Hillary. I just dislike how she's run her campaign and how the actions have been underhanded toward Obama.

Posted by: Mr. Democrat | May 31, 2008 6:44 PM

Jamie, you're a sell out! Patsi, you're delusional. All of you Clintonites are going to be so depressed after your lying candidate has to drop out of the race. When you ask? After she gets her behind kicked in North Carolina and Indiana. Why can't you just face it? She's a terrible candidate who ran a terrible race. She has man issues (Bubba and Mark Penn) and can't tell the truth to save her life (still dodging them there bullets in Bosnia). Ah, it's so nice to watch her campaign go down in flames. The arrogance. The entitlement. The gender pandering. The racism. All came back like a karmic boomerang on her ass. Maybe she can have some more whiskey shooters to salve the wound of losing to Barack. LOL

Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 7:51 AM

Corey...didn't see your name on this thread. But if you read this later, I'm sorry about your Pistons...not because I was rooting for them, but because you were such a good fan.

Here's why Obama folks are leery of Clinton folks. Ickies was one of the leading advocates of making sure Michigan and Florida were stripped of votes. NOW, he's calling for democracy. Wow. That's some balls.

Ickies just sealed Clinton's fate. The spectacle is going to persuade SD's to come out right after June 3rd.

Ickes? damn good.

There's an awful lot of hatred toward Obama. From your Pug's weird divided government. To Patsi echoing Geraldine Ferraro. To GORDO being uh, GORDO. Then you have the NOBAMA folks, and that's just from this thread.

Hey, I don't hate Hillary. I just dislike how she's run her campaign and how the actions have been underhanded toward Obama.

Posted by: Mr. Democrat | May 31, 2008 6:44 PM

Oh, where did it all go wrong? Mark Penn? Mismanagement of campaign funds? Thinking that the race would be over in February? Bosniagate? Chronic liagra disease? Come on, you've got to think that Bill has been going to these small towns and getting numbers from the local townies. He's got to be anxious for Hillary to stop being high profile so he can make a "return visit", if you know what I mean.

Don't be sad Clintonites. I'm sure Billary will figure out a place to use all of that "35 years of experience". LOL

Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 25, 2008 10:18 AM

Mr. Democrat
I say No Obama but I have never said I hate Sen.Obama!!! Theres a huge difference.I don't HATE that just makes a persons life worthless!! But you can not like a person for what you percieve they stand for thats Ok especially in Politcs.

Sheila...I hope our relationship here can get back to normal as well long in advance of Election Day. The only issue causing friction between you and I has been the 900-pound-gorilla...maybe he'll tone it down and we all can move on together. :)

Ickies just sealed Clinton's fate. The spectacle is going to persuade SD's to come out right after June 3rd.

Posted by: Mr. Democrat | May 31, 2008 6:57 PM

Put it on a tape loop. Every week the flood is coming.

I can't remember if it was Lardass or Linda who mentioned Love is in the Air... But here's Cher's version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUzUHo0mkjo

"Lest We Forget"

No we won''t forget, but we are going to put it behind us in unity. Lets NOT forget that.

Jamie I feel the same way about you girl. Lots of truth.

Mr bye bye demogoofus......shouldnt we leave that to said SD's?

Hey TonyB,

Why no Obama if you're a Democrat? What issues are so different between your candidate and Obama?

ET...thanks. That is great.
I'm leaving it to 9/11 to locate the definitive version of June Is Bustin' Out...

Sheila,

What lali said and the recipe for the lentil soup. : )

Wow, this guy just called Ickes a liar without calling him a liar. Just like how they do it in the British Parliament. Nice.

Ickes is a super dick. The Clinton people are doing what they've always done, which is appealing to utter ignorance among the electorate. To appeal to the higher principles of democracy in this case, is not absurd, it's also irresponsible. I almost can't believe it.

I hope HRC does try to appeal this decision because if she does she's out of the party and her legacy is gone.

Decision made... all delegates from Florida seated with 1/2 vote each.

hey p o' u........prepare for losing.

dick tawk

oops I see you guys already got the news.. time for bed here... until another time...

Is it just me, or does anyone else think the much-ballyhooed "Politico" website sucks when it comes to covering live events/breaking news like this DNC Rules Committee meeting. I like the stories and analysis there...but on a day like today you'd think they'd be all over this story and they're not...not really.

EuroTom...you are a better reporter than the entire Politico website today. Congratulations!

Can't spank him ... He likes it.

Looks like the democratic party will have another bushlike candidate. Unqualified and arrogant. Four more years

I just realized i only post about one out of every ten posts i type into that box........weird........

LOLOLOLOL Great restraint Sturg!

Mr.Democrat
I was a lifelong lunch bucket G.M. assembly line worker but as of last week left the party or should i say the party left me when it decided not to count votes!!! The same thing we said the Republicans did down here in Florida in 2000. Shame.I don't support Sen. Obama not because the issues are so different from Sen.Clinton but because in my gut I dont trust or like the guy!! I started out liking them both but have been so effected by this blog and Obama supporters gut feelings of dislike for all thingsHillary Clinton including B.C. who I just LOVE .You as Bye Bye really got to me along the way.This may sound to simple a reason not to vote for someone but I dont go against what i feel in my gut!!!

Spank him just right and he might be your fiend jamie. ;0)

2118 delegates needed to win

ya oughta get a load of some of those rejects, though......a laugh a minute......

This book was mentioned by one of the testifying members. It looks fascinating. Has anyone here read Nixonland

http://www.amazon.com/Nixonland-Rise-President-Fracturing-America/dp/0743243021/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212275754&sr=1-1

Sturge...save them up and publish them years from now, like Dylan did with all those Basement Tapes.

You don't half you Lard.

I don't want to spank Patsi either. I just ignore her when she is spitting nails.....which is most of the time if an Obama supporter is in the room. But some times......very few, she comes in talking like the most intelligent person.....I wish I could comment on those days, but my left cheek is still growing back. lol

I mean........I wrote a scathing rebuke of that kabuki doll puke andrea mitchell.......and simply had to delete it.......

Tony,

Look, I've voted for Democrats that didn't strike me as being the best candidates all my life. Dukakis? Kerry? Hey, if me as Bye Bye got you mad, I apologize. Remember, this is just a blog of people who don't know each other, spouting stuff without reprecussions. Don't take me seriously, nor should you take anyone who agrees with you seriously.

So can someone write what the bottom line was and what the theory is for the next two months?

http://crybabiesforhillary.blogspot.com/

Okay, I liked the Summer of Love day. How about on Sunday, we each post a favorite recipe?

Bottom Line.

Hillary.........convention ...........Denver.

Obama-boomers..........apoplectic.

Must. Be. Cryptic.

Yes, Patsi can be caustic and mean when she gets angry.

But I like her and defend her because she also can display these qualities:

1 SHARING
2 MULTI-DIMENSIONAL
3 WARM
4 FUNNY
5 ENGAGING
6 SELF-DEPRECATING
7 INTROSPECTIVE

And she displays those qualities right here, where most of us experience her -- not in some mythical "real life" that no one has access to and therefore cannot appreciate firsthand.
So, in my mind, that's where the comparisons leave off between her and the other one. At most, the only positive quality on that list he seems capable of from time to time is number 3. But never even gets close to the other six.

That's why creating "moral equivalence" between the two is so infuriating to me, and gets that "bee buzzing in my bonnet" as you say.

Anyway...I'm learning to deal with it Sheila and don't want to rehash it further and certainly don't want to nurse any anger over it. After all, if all the personalities on this blog were in perfect synch 100 percent of the time, we'd be very, very boring.

Here is a recipe for Humble Pie.

http://www.culinaryartsblog.com/index.php/2006/05/22/sour_grapes_humble_pie_eating_crow_and_a

No thanks Sheila,

There is only one way to be his friends and that is to agree with every single thing he says no matter how vile and kow tow to his every opinion no matter how vicious. Anything less gets you a flood of emails telling you what a horried human being you are for daring to disagree.

Red Lentil Soup

1 cup of red lentils
1 quart of chicken broth.
1 cube Knor Chicken broth
2 large carrots fine dice
1 large onion fine dice
1 T tomato paste
1 T of Cumin
1 T of chopped Cilantro
1 T Olive oil
Juice of 1 lemon

S & P to taste.

with the olive oil, saute the veg until fragent.

add the tomato paste and saute until the veg is more tender.
Add the Chicken broth and the chicken cube and lentils.

Cook slowly until the lentils are tender. add more water if necesary.

Before serving, add the Cilantro and the lemon. stirring until just incorporated.

serve immidiately.

For a reheat, add more lemon.

LL

And his idea of funny is ALWAYS to insult or injure someone else. It is never humor.

Obama's nightmare begins after next week.

Lard,
I agree about Patsi. I never understood it either.

jamie, please don't think I am trying to change your mind. I am not.

just trying to forge my own relationships again.

Mr.Democrat
I am truly shocked by you.Thankyou.The truth is we have months for this to play out and the way I feel now is just a snap shot in time.My Gut may change and it may not?Thats up Sen.Obama does he want us Lunch Bucket types by that I mean I know he wants the votes but will he do what it takes to urn it!!! Go to Flint,Michigan and do the work?

I was just trying to give him a little bit of credit. I guess he's kind of a poor man's Don Rickles.

Obama's nightmare begins after next week.
--GORDO

uh huh...tick tock, Barack

Sheila...just reading that lentil soup recipe was almost like cyber-porn!
God...I love vegetables!

Somehow I don't think the Macy's marketing people will be on board with that plan.

"I don't want to spank Patsi either. I just ignore her when she is spitting nails.....which is most of the time if an Obama supporter is in the room."

I have a great idea then. I'll make sure you don't have to ignore anything.

Lard,

That one is magic and its the lemon that puts it over the top.

NEW THREAD

I have a great idea then. I'll make sure you don't have to ignore anything.

Posted by: Patsi | May 31, 2008 7:38 PM

Posting frrequently is the best revenge
Ignore the hypocrites

aww.....poor baby.....hates for the pretty boy to lose......dont cry till the pillow gets there.....I swear I'll send it........

Sheila,

Dump the cilantro and the cumin and use caraway seeds instead. Don't know about the tomato paste--how about a lesser amount of ketchup?

NEW THREAD