Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

I think Hillary should have kept playing the video of Obama mocking her as Annie Oakley. That angered a lot of women--it perfectly portrays exactly what people don't like about him. I only saw that once or twice on MSM--instead they are repeatedly showing his cleaned up versions of "what he really meant to say"

Craig - you're not channelling Oberman are you? Headline was close to his promo about tonight's Hill-bashing, - I mean show. I say kick him in the teeth and to hell with the dem leaders, she's already basically told them where to put their opinions. The 'Big O' can't teleprompt his way out of this one, he's stepped in it, and the media can't spin this one around onto her to the audience that matters right now.

Amazing how most of the coverage has been the almost inaudible recording, and not the clear video that's been going around the web. Guess the msm just can't put their great invesitgative reporting skills to work find that one.

I don't think the Anne Oakly remark casts that much anger from a majority of females. Me for one. This is politics.

Craig, I am wondering the same thing about this chapter in her campaign.

I keep waiting for the magnamonous brilliant person. Her high road has come and gone now.

If anything, she and her strategists should be looking to the future and her "electibility"..

I'm just sitting here in awe, wondering if she understands that these coup de gras will be remembered and she may suffer in the future.

Well, would love to stay and play, but have to get back on the road to the great frozen north!

Here's a very good article from Salon that talks about this controversy, and why liberals often have a vote problem with much of blue collar America. It's true, this trashing of segments of the population has damaged our party -- and it is a symptom of EVERYTHING we say we don't believe in.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/04/15/elitism/

Should anyone doubt that dissing rather than flattering the "rubes" is an aberration, examples of liberal snobbery are not hard to find in progressive publications. Sometimes it's genteel, sometimes it's raw. In an essay titled "The Urban Archipelago" a few years ago, the editors of Seattle's alt-weekly the Stranger wrote: "... And we are the real Americans. They -- rural, red-state voters, the denizens of the exurbs -- are not real Americans. They are rubes, fools, and hate-mongers ... We can secede emotionally ... by turning our backs on the heartland ... We're everywhere any sane person wants to be. Let them have the shitholes, the Oklahomas, Wyomings, and Alabamas. We'll take Manhattan."

Good morning!
I'd hope PA voters would check out HRC's facts. This whole tizzy is so distorted. See another perspective, which includes BHO calling his children before going into the event.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-coleman/i-was-there-what-obama-re_b_96553.html

Hillary -- and the Democratic party --MUST come out hard on this. We've lost too many elections because of horseshit statements like Obama made. You just cannot call people ignorant redneck bigots because they aren't voting for you. Look how some of the Congressional candidates are having to run from the statement. This stuff bites you back hard.

Before I turn this contraption off.

Grannieannie, Thank you for linking that and THANK YOU for being here. Please come more often!

Craig,
I do not like that you always make my comments the last comments and start again right after me with a new thread.
Not only does it make me very bitter and want me go to get my Anny Oakley gun and start the duckunt, but it also makes me want to cling to my faith for a lack of other things to cling on to..... :))

I am dying over here....LMPO.....

Patsi: Thank you for the link to the Salon article...very astute.

What is intriguing (annoying) to me about the Annie Oakley tirade is Obama's difference in tone and tenor than when he spoke in San Francisco and then again yesterday in D.C. He doesn't seem to bring out his "normal folk talk" when speaking to big city elites. Instead he speaks in what I believe is his normal diction (well-educated, obviously extremely intelligent.)

And yes, I cringed along with everyone else when Hillary did her southern drawl in Selma last year.

To Chef Sheila-
Perhaps Obama mocking Hillary doesn't anger the majority of females, but I do think it angers the female voters that he is trying to appeal to--white-blue collar-earning under $50,000-not college educated.That would include me and many of my friends.

Who are the two SD´s who are coming out today in support of HRC. From NJ I heard?
Dutch/UK media on the news this morning......

Try putting the bitterness thing along with the other newbie mistakes he has made.

The WSJ had one of their columnists write a fairly dispassionate op-ed about the whole subject:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120821921853714665.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

Meanwhile, back at the war
dick cavett on petraeus and crocker:

But I must hand it to his generalship. He did say something quite clearly and admirably and I am grateful for his frankness. He told us that our gains are largely imaginary: that our alleged “progress” is “fragile and reversible.” (Quite an accomplishment in our sixth year of war.) This provides, of course, a bit of pre-emptive covering of the general’s hindquarters next time that, true to Murphy’s Law, things turn sour again.
Back to poor Crocker. His brows are knitted. And he has a perpetually alarmed expression, as if, perhaps, he feels something crawling up his leg.
Could it be he is being overtaken by the thought that an honorable career has been besmirched by his obediently doing the dirty work of the tinpot Genghis Khan of Crawford, Texas? The one whose foolish military misadventure seems to increasingly resemble that of Gen. George Armstrong Custer at Little Bighorn?
Not an apt comparison, I admit.
Custer sent only 258 soldiers to their deaths.

http://cavett.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/11/memo-to-petraeus-crocker-more-laughs-please/index.html?ref=opinion

Jon Stewart slammed Hillary last night? Tina Fey slammed Jon Stewart a few weeks ago. Hillary on Colbert this Thursday? Obama should have compared Hillary to Foxy Brown. Now THAT would have been comedy!

HILLARY CLINTON IS SO ANGRY AND MORALLY CORRUPT THAT BARCK SHOULD HAVE CALLED HER MADAME DUFARGE!!!!!!

What I want to know is why the media keeps letting him get away with the "I was raised by a single mother" line. At best it is an exageration at worst it is a lie pandering to create an "up by his bootstraps" image.

Between the time his father deserted them and she remarried was less that two years (food stamp period?). She went to Indonesia and then sent him back to Hawaii when he was 10 to live with her parents and attend Punahou.

His mother came back to Hawaii five years later where his half sister was born. Somewhere in there her second marriage failed but she returned to Indonesia when he was 16 while he stayed with the grandparents.

Deserted by father, seemingly loved but dumped by mother in favor of her independent life while he attended a privileged prep school. Hardly the single mother with no resources.

When I first got a computer and internet access I decided to send my best friend an e-mail. It was the 1st e-mail I had ever sent to anyone. As I started typing my e-mail to my friend I thought "Gee , this font is kind of small. Maybe if I type my e-mail in all capital letters it will be easier for Mark to read it. So that's what I did. A little while later my friend wrote me back. The first thing he wrote was "Why are you shouting? When you type in all capital letters , people think you are shouting." I never forgot that. A few weeks later , I got an e-mail from another friend. She typed the entire e-mail in capital letters , just like I had done before. I wrote her back. I said , "Why are you shouting?" LOL!

mornin' all.

Look, Obama said what he said. He can explain it all he wants, and he will, but the video makes his comments look like he was being condescending. The question I would ask is will Hillary's ad win or lose more voters for Barack? I think focusing on whether it will win more votes for Hillary is the wrong focus on the street. It's not a positive ad intended to attract voters - it's a negative ad intended to drive voters from Obama.

Sturg, you are absolutely right about Petraeus' remarks. After 6 years of the most powerful military in the world fighting a "war" in a large, relatively sparsely populated country, the best we have been able to achieve is a fragile and reversible reduction in the violence? I say declare victory, pack up and come home. Negotiate a good oil contract wiht the Iraqi government to give it an incentive to settle the place down and tell Americans who aren't military to get the hell out. Enough.

And sturg - yo familiar with Melancon guitars? I saw a band Saturday with a couple of guys who had them. Man, they are gorgeous instruments. Here's a link if you're interested. http://www.melanconguitars.com/index.shtml

BTW , Jamie. There is a new Frank Sinatra cd out today. It's called "Sinatra At The Movies".

" doing the dirty work of the tinpot Genghis Khan of Crawford, Texas"

What a fantastic line!!!!!

Skylark

It is Madame Thérèse Defarge and Hillary is hardly sitting around knitting while the press guillotines Sen. Obama.

Dont' know if I'm doing this right, however here is the comment I left about Hillary slamming Al Gore. I guess everyone here who supports Hillary has no problems with her Slamming Al.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/04/caution-polls-ahead.html#comment-67634

Yep...and all the pundits criticized, mocked and laughed at her 3:00 a.m. ad leading up to OH - didn't matter because it was timed perfectly and helped her win OH.

That said, I don't think she should have done a TV ad, I think she should have done radio ads (exactly like Obama did in Mississippi with Hillary's misstatement about Mississippi) - TV might be a bit much.

ubns...I agree with you about the Annie Oakley thing. I was shocked yesterday that more people seemed upset about that than the original comments. Go figure. "Call us bigots but don't you pick on Annie Oakley".

"I keep waiting for the magnamonous brilliant person. Her high road has come and gone now.
If anything, she and her strategists should be looking to the future and her "electibility".. "

Hey, this IS politics. You play to win because you believe you can do the best job -- or you don't run in the first place.

Any day now, I expect to go into a public restroom and see a sign above the hot air hand drying machine: Press button for a message from Barack Obama.

Well...the words Al Gore didn't come out of her mouth. Did you hear Al Gore come out of her mouth? Did she say Al Gore? Maybe she meant Michael Dukakis and John Kerry. I mean Michael Dukakis is the one who famously talked about Belgian endives painting himself as an elitist who was out of touch.

So...you don't know WHO she was really talking about. But it's fair game to keep pushing it...so enjoy. I'm just putting my alternate theory out there.

;-)

LOL

First comes the fake MSM-fueled furor when Obama dares to speak the truth. (It was a slow newsday says Dan Abrams.)

Then comes the cynical swiftboating from Hilla-Rove.

Finally, comes the backlash when people think about what Obama actually said, and when they notice that Hilla-Rove and McCain are saying EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS.

AP

She didn't slam Al, that is the way the media painted it.

Her exact comment was, "You don't have to think back too far to remember that good men running for president were viewed as being elitist and out of touch with the values and lives of millions of Americans".

The Republicans were able to make them look "elite" to the voters. This is something they will do to Sen. Obama as well just by stringing his own and his wife's public statements together.

Hey, Jamie, you're feisty this morning!

Another Poll to look at:

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1327.xml?ReleaseID=1168

"See another perspective, which includes BHO calling his children before going into the event."

How nice...he called his children before he went into an event an told a bunch of rich white folks that people in PA won't vote for him because they're "bitter, typical white, gun loving bigots". That's very touching.

Anon -- read your spin the last thread. The WRITER put Gore's name in and so did Obama. And as a point of fact, the elitist meme DID damage both those candidates badly. Read that Salon article I posted. This sort of image has killed us in elections.

RE: Annie Oakley

ubns and Jamie -- That footage of him made me want to puke. It was so over the top snotty.

Nash, if you think he's being swift-boated, then so be it.

In my mind to be swift-boated he would have to had served someplace, had his documented accomplishments tarnished by totally fabricated lies, and stood by calmly waiting for MSM revelations of how strong his combat record actually was.

I don't think any of that is even close to Mr Obama's situation.

Reality Infection Program (codename Obama)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys68HEA1DLA

Fresh from AP, courtesy of HuffPo...

"Yes, some Democrats in Pennsylvania's Rust Belt communities were upset by Barack Obama's suggestion that voters there "cling to guns or religion" because of bitterness about their economic lot. But many more seem to think it was no big deal _ and if there's a problem it's with the political slapfest that has followed."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/14/pa-voters-divided-over-ob_n_96686.html

The local FOX station here used to runs these commercials where they talked about the way they reported the news. That said "We just report the news stories and let the viewers form their own opinions." Basically , their anchors just report the news and don't give the viewer their personal opinion on any news stories. I think that is pretty much how things are with Hillary and her remark the other night. People are try to interpret just what she meant when she said that and they figured she HAD to be slamming Gore.

"over the top snotty." He has been doing that through the whole campaign. No one ever calls him on the "you're good enough" snarky remarks or when he loses his temper with news people. There is a constant sarcastic tone to a great deal of his off the cuff remarks.

At first I was willing to give him some slack as that just being his style of humor, but there is a mean edge to it that has become more and more irritating as the campaign has gone on.

the most damaging part of the bitter is ..".antipathy toward people who arent like them" thats not getting the coverage ...but the GOP will surely make that the issue ......

anon - she never mentioned al gore .....the media started that and she said the GOP made them look like elitest..she didnt say they were elitest.....thatt has been GOP strategy for years

That's another thing. It seems that this campaign is not so much about WHAT is said , it's been about WHO said it!

Annie Oakley - The way Hillary should have handled it was to thank him for comparing her to Phoebe Ann, the first woman superstar who through her own efforts took on the men and beat them at their own game.

http://www.lkwdpl.org/WIHOHIO/oakl-ann.htm

I think of myself as one of those "bitter" people, but guns and religion are hardly my pacifiers of choice. I really don't think God's going to make it so that jerks and selfish people don't prosper, and going out and firing off a gun would only make me feel like Dick Cheney. I'm bitter and my focus is where it should be: on the policies and egos that turned this economy into crap and has sent thousands of our sons and daughters to their deaths in an ill-conceived, unilateral war. The person who can fix those things will get my vote.

Flatus: "Swiftboating?"

Hillary is losing. She's out of ideas. She can't raise enough money, so she distorts Obama's comments and relies on the typically shallow and stupid "analysis" by the MSM to spread the manure.

But the voters are wising up. They are sick of Bush/Rove tactics and now Hillary is seen as a practitioner of a classic swiftboating scam.

This is the END for Hillary.

tz - I'm with you...EVERYONE except for Lou Dobbs and MoJo a little bit yesterday are not even touching that statement because it is the most damaging. He called them bigots - nice way to win over voters the Dems are going to need in November...good job O'.

When reporters interview people on the street...they don't tell them the whole statement. They ask "are PAers bitter?" "Do they cling to faith and guns"

Instead of reading them the entire statement and asking them how they feel about it - those who haven't heard what he actually said are only getting the cleaned up version MSNBO is giving them. Of course about half of them think it's not so far from the truth.

But the GOP...will play the entire thing in a pretty little 527 ad and blanket the country with it. When they hear the whole thing...they'll enjoy it. He wrapped up a gift and handed it to the GOP and their 527s with a pretty little BHO on top.

obama caught in another fib ..but MSM hasnt even mentioned it

http://blogs.suntimes.com/rezko/2008/04/obama_bomb_dropped.html

wendy

you said it better than i did

"The way Hillary should have handled it was to thank him"

I agree. I would be quite happy with a comparison to Annie Oakley.

Her exact words.

"We had two very good men, and men of faith, run for president in 2000 and 2004. But large segments of the electorate concluded that they did not really understand or relate to or frankly respect their ways of life," Clinton said at Messiah College, referring to former vice president Al Gore and Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.). She repeated her view that Obama had been "elitist . . . and, frankly, patronizing."

So was Michael Dukakis running in 2000?

I think not. It was Al Gore who ran in 2000, nice try though.

warren, re: your comment yesterday (4:49) - of the primary states that remain, she seems to be doing pretty well in PA, IN, KY, PR and WV, but of course to NYers, those states probably don't represent average Americans.

AP - nice pickup of the MSNBC and Repug TPs about throwing Gore under the bus. Let me tell you something about thaqt comment - Gore lost WV in '00 for one simple reason - people here though GWB understood them and the things that were important to them better than Gore did, because he didn't appear to them to be regular folks. He was portrayed here as a Washington liberal who wanted to take their guns away. It wasn't true, but it was what the voters thought. Hillary was not throwing Gore under the bus. She was right and wrong - what she was wrong about was that he won overall, although in the "gun states" for the most part he lost. Sort of an inconvenient truth, so to speak. Learn from history, please.

If you missed it, check out Vadaryl's 8:32 link.

Latest PA poll (post "bitter-gate"): Hilla-Rove is only 6 points ahead of Obama.

For those of you who actually care about democratic processes (and don't think Hilla-Rove should just steal the election by bullying superdelegates) this is not going to be enough.

SHE'S STILL LOSING.

Nash...in honor of your last post...I just donated a few more bucks to Hillary. I left her note telling her she should thank you for your fundraising efforts.

;-)

wendy
i am surprised craig left that part of his remarks out

Well, duty calls - I have to hit the road. Have anice day, all.

Although it's true that Mrs. Clinton did not specifically say "Al Gore" and "John Kerry" I do believe she did state the years 2000 and 2004, and that would be them.

When she was speaking to the Manufacturers' Association in Pennsylvania and was met with negative groans, she might well have cut her losses and changed the subject. It shows that she is out of touch as she forged forward, with a few more "you knows" and "uhs" than usual, I counted 6 in 60 seconds, and she could not look at the crowd, just bobble-heading her way through her scripted message. She is walking on thin ice by pushing the bitter message. Even Ed Rendell, Democrat hack extraordinaire and one of her biggest supporters, is backpedaling.

pogo...

So are you saying that Al Gore didn't respect there way of Life?

Sorry, but I don't agree.

Reliable Sources:

Has anyone heard the rumor that the man in the Marilyn Monroe porn film is John McCain? Probably not, since I just started it here, on Crawfordslist.

Laugh if you want, but it will probably show up on DrudgeReport within the next half-hour.

"I'm bitter and my focus is where it should be: on the policies and egos that turned this economy into crap and has sent thousands of our sons and daughters to their deaths in an ill-conceived, unilateral war. The person who can fix those things will get my vote."

Ditto what Mary said!

Nash, you've been trying to swiftboat Hillary since day-one.

Wendy: Hillary may use your contribution to pay all those small businesses that her campaign has stiffed.

God forbid she should have to dip into the $109 million she's earned by peddling influence.

"SHE'S STILL LOSING."

Yes, Nash, I'm sure your alliance with some indies and Repubs -- as well as caucus thugs --- will hand this nomination to a man who is certainly not now electable. Thanks for McCain.....

AP...just went back and watched the video and you're right. She said 2000 so she meant Al Gore.

[shrugs]

He's not and isn't going to support her anyway...so who cares. And...I'm sure she would say about it:

"“Obviously, if I worded things in a way that made Al offended, I deeply regret that. But the underlying truth of what I said remains, which is simply that people [think the Democratic Party is out of touch because of their elitist and dismissive attitudes towards small town America].”

:-D

Stinky and I watched MM in Some Like it Hot the other day. We thought it was a real hoot.

If she did a risque flick, so be it. She certainly isn't available to offer any insight as to why.

Patsi: "You have been against Hillary from the beginning."

Actually, I was neutral until Hill-Bill started using racist tactics after S. Carolina. As The Clintons started morphing into Bush/Rove, I began to turn against them. (And so did the majority of Democrats, if you haven't been paying attention.)

What's amazing to me is how many loyal followers are still hanging in there as they slowly take one last swirl around the toilet bowl.

Nash how does leading in the polls in PA = Losing

Twisted...as usual...

And note that the poll remains unchanged from last week and "bittergate" probably isn't factored in.

SurveyUSA comes out today as well...better record this primary season that Quinnipiac so that will be interesting.

So what do we have - yesterdays poll shows an 18 point swing from 2 weeks ago to this week in the same poll

And todays poll shows not change at all from a week ago

Looks like O' has run out of MO.

Flatus -- I always loved Marilyn Monroe. What a great comic actress! Her performance in How To Marry a Millionaire was hysterical. I still can see her in those horn rim glasses.

And yes -- if she did a sex video -- what the hell?

Thinking of great film beauties....which was what someone, maybe Renee, was looking for the other day...I guess my vote would go with Ava Gardner. I always heard that Ava was the only woman whose looks intimidated Elizabeth Taylor.

What if Hillary or Mccain would of said what Obama said about voters in SC, how would that been received?

"So are you saying that Al Gore didn't respect there way of Life?"

AP - you didn't read Pogo's entire comment

He said:

"He was portrayed here as a Washington liberal who wanted to take their guns away. It wasn't true, but it was what the voters thought."

So he says it wasn't true what they thought about him...it's just that there was a certain perception.

[stepping in because me thinks Pogo is on the road]

Don't you just love the line that Pastor Wright used, stuck on stupid! What a great line.

Imus was using the line all morning on his show.

Hillary comes across as a shape-shifter.

vadary
he has a lot of great lines ......how about GD america
the general in new orleans coined that phrase during katrina fiasco where have you been

"I was neutral until Hill-Bill started using racist tactics after S. Carolina."

Bull. Neither of them were racist. It was racist for everyone to pile on Jesse Jackson as if he was chopped chitlins. You ain't seen racist, my friend.

"Actually, I was neutral until Hill-Bill started using racist tactics after S. Carolina."

This just means your a gullible fool. But then you are a left wing nut, so I am just being repetitious.

Nash, I live in South Carolina and I watched what transpired here before, during, and after our primary.

To say, "... Hill-Bill started using racist tactics after S. Carolina." isn't just wrong, it's intellectually dishonest.

Thanks to Obama's statement he is going to make tomorrow's debate more interesting. Great timing! I guess we can thank the Huntingtonpost for putting it out there. I hope it's not another lovefest. I hope they have a real debate this time.

"Both Clinton and Obama spoke today at a forum sponsored by the American Alliance for Manufacturing in Pittsburgh.

But someone who was in the room at the time (and doesn’t back either candidate) said the videos exaggerate the response. In the roomful of 1,600 people, only “a handful” were making noise. “I think it was a pocket of a few ladies near the microphone who happened to be very vocal,” he said. Also, NBC’s Andrea Mitchell reports, per the Clinton campaign, that the objectors were a group of pro-Obama SEIU members."

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/trailhead/

Thinking of great film beauties....which was what someone, maybe Renee, was looking for the other day...I guess my vote would go with Ava Gardner. I always heard that Ava was the only woman whose looks intimidated Elizabeth Taylor.

Posted by: Patsi

a trivial topic suits my propensity.

Perhaps my opinion is biased by my profession but I prefer Audrey Hepburn and Grace Kelly to both.

toast

Maybe the line has been used before and he has uttered a lot of other lines but this one we can all have a little fun with. It's not that hurtful of a line like some of his others.

Imus was using the "stuck on stupid" line as from Rev. Wright because he was referring to Wright's using it to describe Sean Hannity......he knew the general used it during Katrina......

I did know that ABC has the debate tomorrow. Charles Gibson did a great job when he hosted the last one. This one should be good.

On the CBS front for the NC debate:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04152008/tv/obama_could_snub_katie_106563.htm

Notice how whenever anyone quotes Obama directly his supporters claim he is being unfairly portrayed and misunderstood.

The bitter voters are indeed Obama supporters...you sure see that here. Mr. Latte te da seems to have run out of gas.

LOL

Goodness Nash, Slapped down three times in a row.
To use one of those bitter, gunlover, folk sayings

I don't think that dog hunts, better trot a new one out.

Jack

dikipedia entry for mccain

http://dickipedia.org/dick.php?title=John_McCain

Good Morning. I think you have to connect the dots with Obama from start until now and it shows a very scary man. As for Anne Oakley, how sad and desperate he is, he knows he is going down.
Interesting that the word Marxism has been mention several time in the media.
Obama needs to keep talking, the more he does the more we see what a pathetic man he is. And people want him as president, shame on them.
Keep in mind it was what he said BUT also who he was talking to when he said it. It truly showed who he really is.

Flatus: Of course you can't hear the Clinton racist code words. They're designed to slip by educated white liberals and go right to the remaining rednecks who still vote for Democrats. That's the Clinton "base."

You know, the bitter, church-going gun-nuts who just got laid off when Wal-Mart gave their job to a Mexican.

More than anyone else, they want SOMEONE TO BLAME.

Jews? (Hasn't worked since 1932.)
Blacks? (Too obvious.)
Elitists? (Perfect, assuming they know what it means.)

Imus was just having fun with it during the show. I think even Hannity laughed a little about the line.

God forbid Clinton should upset The Precious!

Quick, somebody get him another pillow!

To say, "... Hill-Bill started using racist tactics after S. Carolina." isn't just wrong, it's intellectually dishonest.

Nash and intellectual dishonesty --sun rises.

Who can forget the famous book of racist code words Nash posted
...oh and one of the listed ones for angry whites to know when someone supports racial equality is Bill Clinton. .

SurveyUSA: Clinton Ahead By 14 Points In Pennsylvania

Wait until the end of the month when Pastor Wright is the keynote speaker at a NAACP event in MI. We may have some more lines to have fun with.

Loved Ava Gardner. My favorite of her movies was Barefoot Contessa, but you don't get much more beautiful than she was in Bhowani Junction

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/graphics/slideshows/ava/abhowani2.jpg

from the entry:

Like his father and grandfather, McCain enrolled in the United States Naval Academy. There, he earned over 100 demerits. His reaction was that it was "bullshit."

But it was in his off-base activities that McCain truly excelled. According to one classmate, "being on liberty with John McCain was like being in a train wreck." It is unclear what being with McCain during his presidency would be like for the nation. Unfortunately, America has no direct experience from which to draw with a president who was a temperamental son of a distinguished military man and who in college was a temperamental fuckup who liked to party. What could possibly be so dangerous about that?

McCain graduated from the Naval Academy in 1958, ranked 894th out of 899. As historians have noted, there were five people in his class who were actually bigger fuckups than McCain, but none of them are running for president.

McCain, commissioned an ensign, spent two and a half years training as a naval aviator in Pensacola. There he earned a reputation as a party man, drove a Corvette, dated an exotic dancer named "Marie the Flame of Florida," and, as he would later say, "generally misused my good health and youth." But at least when it came to flying, he took his responsibilities seriously.

Just kidding. He didn't care about those either -- he was a below average flyer, and couldn't be bothered to read his aviation manuals. But, as many noted partying experts have asked, what good could possibly come of reading manuals? It's not like one might have a situation in which one's plane would quit while landing and crash into Corpus Christi Bay, or be flying too low in Spain and take out some power lines, or crash while en route to Philadelphia for an Army/Navy football game.

.".................the Clinton racist code words............
Elitists? (Perfect, assuming they know what it means.)"

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Nash,
Stop it man, you are killing me
LOL

I think you ready for big time comedy
LOL

Jack

Before all you Hill-heads get muscle sprains from giving each other high-fives....

(1) The backlash against Hillary's swiftboating has only just begun. Watch how it grows as we approach the PA primary. Obama could actually win it.

(2) Even if she won PA by 5%, Hilla-Rove still can't win the nomination. She won't be able to get enough pledge delegates.

And...

(3) The superdelegates are running away from the stench that is the Clinton campaign.

You guys are like the band on the Titanic. You won't stop playing until the water is washing around your ankles.

Hi and bye ~ play nicely

http://i30.tinypic.com/fub3u0.gif

tz

Don't bother mentioning the polls that show Hillary gaining or winning. Only the ones showing a narrowing or win by Sen. Obama will be quoted on air even if they are the most inaccurate so far.

If you go back and look at SurveyUSA polls in other states they have been pretty accurate compared to some of the others. Here is their survey on Obama's copmment:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=64213e7a-6e7b-469a-b962-3ffdf68fe86b

pogo.....thanks for the melancon guitar link.....it is indeed a pretty instrument......I cant afford any such thing as a new guitar so I have learned to stick with my old telecaster

"SurveyUSA: Clinton Ahead By 14 Points In Pennsylvania'

TZ...you have a link...not seeing it on SurveyUSA site...

why do people persist in making wishful predictions....que sera sera basically.....predictions are for bozos on tv......but then, we're all bozos on this bus.......

Do you have a link for SurveyUSA 14 point lead in PA. I can't find it on their site. I found the last one they did last week.

Posted by: nash | April 15, 2008 9:52 AM

lololol
One might say the same of Obama supporters who cannot accept their guy cannot close the deal and has hit the wall.

Oh and puleese don't quote him accurately --it might hurt someone's feelings.

Nash: "You guys are like the band on the Titanic. You won't stop playing until the water is washing around your ankles."

Please realize Nash has given you a promotion, to a luxury liner in the Atlantic. A few posts back, you were aboard the SS Hillary for some final swirls around the toilet bowl ...

I concur with Nash. Hillary's overplayed this one.

Good Morning Craig, Everyone:-))

I wonder if all the disciples of the messiah Obama will be out today, they are a feisty lot they remind me of those little mischievous little gremlins in the movie of the same name. Just spreading chaotic mischief all over the place wreaking havoc wherever they go.

You cannot debate them simply because the facts and evidence all are on our side so they resort to insults defamation of character and all round vituperative behavior.

They love to talk about the Primaries because Obama has the advantage in money, and delegates but it ends there.
First there is no guarantee that he will win the nomination, now having prefaced that let's move onward .

At this point in time Obama due to his arrogance/ extreme left wing radical / Marxist agenda he has effectively shot himself in the foot. If and it is a big "if" he should win the nomination he is a lame or dead duck in the general election and it will not be because McCain is such a great candidate it will be because of Obama's isolationist left wing elitist agenda will be so out of line with mainstream America it will cause him to lose and McCain to win the election, not so much because of popularity but simply by default because McCain's policies will be more in line with mainstream America.

I am going to try to explain this as guilelessly as possible for extremist radical minds to understand.

In order to win a general election, in polling [a science extreme liberals cannot or refuse to understand] you need to be polling ahead of your opposition in some major demographics or constituencies, so now let's take a look at the messiah Obama's demographics due to his Marxist anti religious rantings that cost him the Hispanic vote Catholicism is a very important part of Latin Hispanic culture they will trend toward McCain and that's a given now with his last debacle, Cubans are predominantly republican and already were in the McCain camp. He lost the Jewish vote thanks to his assault on religion but more importantly he is surrounded by many borderline anti Semitic advisors inside his foreign policy camp with Jimmy Carter, Zbigniew Brzezinski and a few others that can be put in thee pro Islamists category. With Jimmy Carter's meeting of Hamas leaders suffice to say that Jimmy Carter's endorsement of Obama Will be the gift to McCain that will keep on giving just imagine the ammunition the GOP war machine has Jane Fonda and Carter meeting with Hamas endorsing you, so now the messiah as lost the Jewish vote, when Reagan ran he received approximately 40% of the Jewish vote, latest internal polling suggests McCain may very well double that.

Now independents, Obama was going to have a difficult time with them from the git go...the bad news for Obama is the largest growth in Independents has Ben in the non deep and deep south by up to 40%.

In the last 30+ years Independents have voted in ratios of almost 2-1 for republicans, Independents tend to be libertarian-like socially yet fiscally conservative on average and generally they vote with a fiscally conservative pedigree. The latest internals show McCain very appealing to Independents with him holding a 20+ lead over Obama with Independents.

Finally there are the Reagan Democrats I do not have to to go into great detail here because we know they will hop the other side of the fence and Vote McCain.

Obama Is in trouble with his own base 24% of Hillary supporters will vote McCain. Obama has yet to show he can dominate any major demographic in any internal poll.

These are valid arguments Hillary must make to the super-delegates. We need to put all this Obamamania aside and look at what is best for the Democratic party and do everything possible to maximize our chances to win in the general election.

It is time for the Democratic Party to wake up, we cannot and should not nominate a candidate that preaches a Marxist agenda straight out of Karl Marx handbook and this "communist manifesto" psychobabble. Basically what Obama was saying to the left wing freak a zoids in S.F. was that capitalism will lead to internal struggles and breakdown Obama tried to disguise phrasing it differently..."a rose by any other name should smell as sweet"

In good news for Hillary supporters that you will not hear on MSNBC....A new poll of likely voters in the Pennsylvania Democratic primary shows Sen. Hillary Clinton skyrocketing from a deadlock to a 20-point lead over Sen. Barack Obama in just one week. An American Research Group survey April 5-6 had the candidates in a 45-45 tie. But the group's latest polling, April 11-13, has Clinton leading 57-37.

Hillary supporters stay the course don't give in victory is in our grasp :-))

--Heather

U.S. Rep. Geoff Davis, a Hebron Republican, compared Obama and his message for change similar to a “snake oil salesman” [at a Northern Kentucky Lincoln Day dinner].
He said in his remarks at the GOP dinner that he also recently participated in a “highly classified, national security simulation” with Obama.

“I’m going to tell you something: That boy’s finger does not need to be on the button,” Davis said. “He could not make a decision in that simulation that related to a nuclear threat to this country.”

from crooksandliars.com

Survey usa poll
http://www.nbc10.com/politics/15884424/detail.html?dl=headlineclick

at a "Lincoln Day Dinner"

lolol.......cant make it up.......

The "I never met Auchi" line is going to hurt and one can only wonder why Rezko's lawyer brought it up. The closeness to the house sale smells and this all feeds the qpq suspicions. By connecting Rezko/Obama/Auchi, I suppose investigators now have reason to explore even more. Unlike Rich, this is a rather large web and only serves to hound Obama all the way forward. 2005, a broke Rezko, an controversial Auchi and the an Obama house.

Trouble is Obama says he never met Auchi, let alone spoke to him. Why would he say this when it wasn't true?

wendy

TPM has an article about it in election central

I admired Annie Oakley. I loved the musical ANNIE GET YOUR GUN...

Trouble is Obama says he never met Auchi, let alone spoke to him. Why would he say this when it wasn't true?

Posted by: Maxtrue

Obama says whatever he feels like and then his apologists and spinners come in and tell us what he really means. He meant he never met him in the spiritual sense or knew him in a "real" way.

Thanks for the poll link

Max
Obama is doing a good enough job screwing himself. You don't have to go looking for tenuous connections that in the end just make you and your cause look silly.

Jack

if pointing out that someone has lost is a "slam" the democrats gotta lotta "slammin' " to do.......but not at Bill Clinton.......

Obama tried albeit somewhat unsuccessfully to answer a question in a heartfelt way that like Negros of slavery time who also turned to Religion & Music due to oppression and hard times and that small town America has very little to look forward to and so too turned to religion and hunting as a normal outlet and sometimes blamed their plight on immigrants! This excercise in "honest" judgment has been blown out of all proportions and taken up by Hillary & McCain and some in the Media to exploit for political gain, albeit with dishonesty and distorted statements to demean Obama for being honest. We have to asks ourselves as Americans "would we rather have politicians that lie to us or ones that tell us the truth no matter what?" Hillary's current assertion that her father taught her to "shoot ducks" behind the cottage that her grandfather built on Lake Winona as a little girl smells alot like "Bosnian Sniper Fire!" And, now we have Bill Clinton going around with his current False take on "bitterness" as another example of another -- excuse my blatantness -- "lying politician", with the following performance...

B. Clinton "[s]ays at campaign railly in Corydon, Indiana that throughout seven stops in North Carolina, 'Everywhere I go there are all these people with signs, saying I’m not bitter - I’m not bitter.' ABC’s Sarah Amos says his comments were well-received but 'not entirely accurate.' For instance, she says there were no signs at his rallies saying 'I’m not bitter,' as he claimed." -- This political couple has No Shame!

However, in light of the current fire storm and questionning and psychoanalyzing about the "bitterness" of small town America, maybe Obama has done us some good and we can finally bring or shed some light on just how bitter (or not) we really are and better yet -- the "Root Cause"!

Corey,

Re: ALL CAPITAL LETTERS

I got the same reply from a co-worker when we first got access to email and instant messaging. I felt it was a stupid concept, but figured "when in Rome" yada yada.

So, here's my question: Craig often ignores custom and types his comments to us in all lower-case letters. Does that mean he's whispering? Or is he just channeling e.e. cummings?

or don marquis......

http://www.donmarquis.com/readingroom/archybooks/song.html

EdVB: craig types in capitol letters.

This is the END for Hillary.

Posted by: nash | April 15, 2008 8:50 AM

People have been saying that since the Iowa caucus results. Nothing new here.

Obama made his remarks at a big bucks San Francisco California fundraiser as an attempt to explain why people in Pa don't like him so much -there was no heartfelt attempt to do anything. And to pander to the anti gun and anti organized religion sentiment of the crowd

There is no need for conversation on this issue except to point out his hypocrisy. Still waiting for the second paragraph in his conversation on race.

Speaking of bitterness, do you all remember the case in Texas when a guy got angry because he couldn't wear a gun in church?

Maybe that's what Obama was talking about.

note for youngsters: when don marquis wrote, gay meant happy.......

AP - nice pickup of the MSNBC and Repug TPs about throwing Gore under the bus. Let me tell you something about thaqt comment - Gore lost WV in '00 for one simple reason - people here though GWB understood them and the things that were important to them better than Gore did, because he didn't appear to them to be regular folks. He was portrayed here as a Washington liberal who wanted to take their guns away. It wasn't true, but it was what the voters thought. Hillary was not throwing Gore under the bus. She was right and wrong - what she was wrong about was that he won overall, although in the "gun states" for the most part he lost. Sort of an inconvenient truth, so to speak. Learn from history, please.

Posted by: pogo | April 15, 2008 8:59 AM

Pogo, had he understood his OWN state of Tennessee and carried it in the election, Gore would have been President regardless of the Florida debacle. That said, I admire him greatly!

WARNING:
POLL: Marist New York General
McCain 48, Obama 46...
This is a state the Democrats should dominate and the messiah Obama is losing the extreme left dems will never learn and are willing to destroy the Democratic Party for selfish reasons

--Heather

Obama supporters seem to think the best strategy is to say "It's true ! We are bitter!"
But that's not what Americans want to hear.
For those of you who can remember, Jimmy Carter's "Malaise" speech did not go over very well.
Obama's pop sociology explanation of why some working-class Americans are not yet supporting him will sink his campaign.
Here's why:
Over the next days and weeks, Americans in Pennsylvania, Indiana and North Carolina will see the video ( Clinton attack ads) of wealthy Obama supporters chortling over clinking champagne glasses, as Obama explains why working class Americans are not smart enough to support him.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/Video_from_San_Francisco.html

Watch the video clip. What are they laughing at ? What’s so funny?

Well Craig obviously your trailmix today pretty much is a self fulfilling prophecy. The only part of it I agree with is that yet again Hillary is over playing this issue. Even Ed Rendell knows Hillary is over playing it, hence his remarks yesterday.

Maybe that's what Obama was talking about.

Posted by: nash | April 15, 2008 10:23 AM

We never really know what he is talking about until KO or Tweety tells us so I guess you will just have to tune in.

But I am sure they would appreciate this as a possibility.

Actually, I was neutral until Hill-Bill started using racist tactics after S. Carolina.
-Nash

That is just such crap...

Hilarious how everything MUST BE BAD FOR CLINTON. No matter the blunder. There must be some angle about any story in this election that is BAAAAD for Hillary.

A backlash from voters who have been insulted by Obama???
Yes, rural Americans are all going to rise up and demand that the Evil Hillary stop being unfair to poor misunderstood Obama!

Sure they will. And then Obama will win Pennsylvania and Indiana and vanquish the evil witch forever!

Can I have some of what you're smoking?

The Survey USA poll is interesting in that no only does Hillary have a big lead with Pennsylvania women, but she also has a small lead with men.

With recent Hillary poll leadsof 6, 14, and 20%, I expect to see the continuation of Obama supporters flailing about on this site, spreading anger,distortions, etc..

I'm to watch with bemusement as the posts reveal the lack of confidence these people have in their candidate.

Off to work..Have a nice day..

Well this is entertaining and all, but I am off to play TV Squares and then watch my DVD of the 1954 television series Sherlock Holmes. Cheerio

i'll send out another invite to join me on Facebook...

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?

or myspace

http://www.myspace.com/eurotom

or don marquis......

Posted by: sturgeone

sturgeone,

Of anyone I read anywhere, you are so so so the most worthy of citing don marquis.

I love you.

One of the best things the NYT did in the last ten years was hire Don Herbert from the Daily News.

He is a Senator Obama supporter who responds rather than reacts.

He's not concerned with anyone's response to all of this except Obama's.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/15/opinion/15herbert.html?hp

Euro-T:

In your last posting you complained about Bush/Rove calling Gore an elitist, and said that "it wasn't true."

That is exactly what Hillary did to Obama, and she then did it to Kerry and Gore too, just for laughs.

Hillary and all of her followers have morphed into Rovian Republicans.

You will do ANYTHING to win. Or, as with the war in Iraq, you will do anything rather than to admit you made a mistake.

When the real Democrats throw out Bush & Cheney, we're going to throw out the Clintons too.

No cabinet seats for these two reptiles.

Hillary supporters stay the course don't give in victory is in our grasp :-))

--Heather

Posted by: Heather

I think your posts are extremely thoughtful and make my rambling unnecessary. Although your magnanimous and modest in your critique of Barack Obama and make a strong case for Hillary it is a larger issue than what's best for the Democratic Party, as an independent I think it best for our country,

toast

"You guys are like the band on the Titanic. "

Yeah, and you, Nash, are among those who arrogantly steered us into the iceberg.

Nash,

Jews? (Hasn't worked since 1932.)
Blacks? (Too obvious.)
Elitists? (Perfect, assuming they know what it means.)

Odd statement. Obama's associates including the playful anti-semite the Hon. Rev.Wright, and James Meeks are trying their best to resuscitate it

toast

I resent your characterization of the Clintons as reptiles.
-the Geico Gecko

(And they are both smarter than a caveman.)

"Hillary and all of her followers have morphed into Rovian Republicans"

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Nash
Man my sides are hurting
You gotta stop man I'm dieing here.
Your comedey is just too good

LOL

Jack

toast....you mentioned that your profession made you prefer Hepburn and Kelly (two greats by the way) -- am wondering what it is?

Patsi:

Is it arrogant to insist that the Democratic nominee should be the candidate who wins the most pledge delegates? (Chosen by the voters).

Your candidate keeps saying that the superdelegates should allow her to steal the nomination.

Hmmmmm
Inneresting over here peeps
Like tha way some people get so worked up over....frankly...nothing.

But alas...We ok. The sun is shining, the weather is ok, and HRC has the polls that give some hope.

We ok here in Amsterdam..... :))

Heather, I like your post....

toast....you mentioned that your profession made you prefer Hepburn and Kelly (two greats by the way) -- am wondering what it is?

Posted by: Patsi

I was an NYC fashion photographer who now only photographs women in conjunction with my wife who is a Fine Arts Painter of women.

toast

Steal?
If someone steals they should get punished for something they should not have done!

If the SD´s want to vote for her, it is their conviction... If they were supposed to vote the way their constituents vote, why the hell do we need those SD´s???

You are scared as hell that HRC will walk away with this because the SD´s will have no choice but to nominate her..get over it... he has come this far. Time to back up and go listen to his bitter pastor Wright. maybe they can go duckhunting while clinging to their faith and their guns, and meet the ghost of Annie Oakley

Mean while a bit of light for Obama as he continues having his stupidity crises.
One of the most important things to winning most elections is to pick the right opponent. Obama has been extremely lucky in this.
It looks as if McCain is choosing to run with Bush the Elders economic strategy, You know the one that did so well in 92.
Looks like this election is shaping up to be a battle of the stupids.

Its enough to make this atheist pray for a God. It may be our only hope.
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Yzc3MDA1NmIzMzYyYzA3M2U1MzA5N2QyNjY0NDgxOWI=

Jack

Calling Senator Obama "the messiah" is just ignorant.

Wendy

Here are the Survey USA numbers with all the cross tabs

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReportEmail.aspx?g=c79e5bab-a424-49f6-86d6-50c61cf729b7

has anyone seen the Indiana poll numbers from SUSA? The lead has grown to 16 points.....

It triggers me to donate yet again
Today I am happy...So I am donating $100 in memory of Anny Obama, I meant Okalley

Wake me up, I am dying here.....

Interesting that the latest two polls from the 12 -14 are now showing a big lead for Hillary in PA.

On Friday I heard that Hillary may release a bombshell sometime after the debate but before the Primary in PA. Has anybody else heard more about this or has it already been released or it's now a dead issue.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/pa/pennsylvania_democratic_primary-240.html

"Your candidate keeps saying that the superdelegates should allow her to steal the nomination."

If he gets the delegates and the popular vote and hasn't absolutely imploded, he'll be the nominee. I personally think he's already imploded, but we'll see.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/in/indiana_democratic_primary-639.html

Hey Jamie...Thanks for the link. I think that is the 4/8 poll? I know SurveyUSA is coming out with new PA poll at some point today will be interesting to see if numbers have changed. That's what I was wondering i