Craig, why don't you come down here and help Stinky with the yard while l work on one of the trucks? We'll even feed you dinner and get out some of the best wine. And, then, before you leave in the morning, I'll hold the ladder while you clean the gutters.
I don't understand why KO thought the Elton John remark was that big of a deal. Why was he discussing Elton John anyway? No new Britney Spears incidents? Of course , I never understood all the uproar about what Natalie Maines said either. In other news , police have finally arrested the marine who was suspected of killing the pregnant marine a few months ago.
I woke up to having 3 big beautiful wild turkeys in my front yard.....
I too thought of the "political theme"..... and was going to name them Hillary, Barack, and John..... but turkeys in their natural state are not only beautiful... they're also elegant......
I live in the southeast, where 2007 saw the worst drought conditions in a century. Everything was dead and dried out. That's the best analogy I can think of to how us Dems have felt living through 8 years of Bush and co.
Craig - That was wonderfully insightful & funny. My laughter took the edge off of my worry at the sight of you wielding those hedge clippers. Make sure you put the safety back on. It's getting awfully close to the WH correspondents dinner & I get a little nervous for you this time of year. How is that shoulder anyway?
Did you guys see the 3 candidates bits on "American Idol Gives Back"? In order of appearance: Hil'ry did the best of the three.
Then came McCain, the GOP sorbet between the Dem candidates, who bookended his bit with awful humor. His only purpose, as I could tell, was to make the person who went before him seem even stronger & to make the person who followed him, Obama, seem good in comparison.
On its own, Obama's appearance was pretty lackluster.
I guess McCain needed a laughtrack & Obama needed a live audience. Hil'ry was fine "as is."
My Friends:
(ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha)
We have to win this war
(ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha)
Democrat surrender monkeys
(ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha)
and now.....here's Lindsay Graham:
( ha ha ha ha scream ha ha ha snort ha ha ha)
oh.... and Craig....
you know that you and I share the fact that "Being There" is our favorite movie....
I've said it before...... but it needs to be said again.....
Peter Sellers is a god!.....
Blue..... yes... McCain's attempt at humor on AI was awful.....
I agree.... Hillary was best....
Patsi...thanks for the link...that was a good article...I particularly thought this was something we here know a lot about.
"It was particularly sad to see a number of Obama supporters (though not the Obama campaign itself) join enthusiastically in the catcalls against Mrs. Clinton’s good-faith effort to put a human face on the cruelty and injustice of the American health care system."
The last paragraph was also very good and I think many made a similar argument when the essence of the story was in question. It's about Universal Health Care for all so that things like this don't happen.
Does anyone think, as I do, that Elizabeth Edwards is out and about doing an endorsement/non-endorsement of Hillary Clinton.
Her language seems very endorsement like...w/o making a real endorsement. Hillary has a better health care plan. Hillary should take it to the convention. This is good for the party. She think Hillary and O' should be on the same ticket. Aren't these all Clinton campaign surrogate talking points?
I have 2 theories. 1) She's endorsing Hillary indirectly or 2) she's building the case for why they will endorse Hillary when the time comes so it's not such a shocker since everyone assumed the Edwards' would be more inclined to endorse Obama.
Hey Max...I read them before I went to bed. The 2 kinds of Indies?
Yes...I think you may have a point there about the 2 kinds of Indies. I think I'm going Indie after all this is over no matter what happens. Dem party is crazy. Of course...it remains to be seen which kind of Indie I'll be.
I thought Barr made a good point about running as a Libertarian on HC last night. He knows he's not going to win and even when Hannity screamed at him about it....he said it's about opening it up to more choices and getting rid of the two party system. I'm all for that. It might seem like this is some far off possibility but with the way one can get their message out over the Internet and raise money...it might not be that far fetched.
ABC fails to point out some added details of the Ayer/Obama story such as the fund raiser Ayers had for Obama or their serving together on the board at Woods Fund. And after Ayers comments to the NYT one would think Obama would be careful about this "good friendship". Do I sense some arrogance when dealing with the litany of associations?
Yeah, I saw that too. Hannity need prunning too, but I thought Barr had a point. I suspect Obama might pick Bloomie to try and win back some Indies. Now remember to put you veil on........
According to the principles of sustainable landscaping, “weeds” are actually hardy native species that ought to be occupying those niches. “Gardeners" introduce fragile, non-native purely decorative plants, and maintain them with synthetic fertilizers, herbicides, and pesticides. This totally disrupts the indigenous ecosystem.
Craig's garden is a metaphor for the U.S. in Iraq.
Craig, what a wonderful metafora as they say in Italian. Do more of those because they get your points across about each candidate very effectively, in my opinion. It is so true that a picture is worth a thousand words!
"I'd urge people who are minimizing the sexism Clinton faces, or who are trying to argue that racism against Obama has been just as public and disabling, to make a YouTube video that's comparable to this, and that features media stars -- not Clinton surrogates, not Obama critics, but guys paid by major news networks -- using comparable slurs against Obama. Maybe it's possible. I doubt it, but maybe. If anyone succeeds, I promise I'll post it here!"
Yes...how true...go for it...the clips don't exist.
Once again - I'll have to watch the vid tonight. From your comments, it sounds like Peter Sellers would be proud of Craig. See, I've come up with another approach to pruning - at least pruning tulips - plant the bulbs and the deer will eat the foliage.
Wendy!, Barr is pissing Hannity off because he could be the fly in the Georgia ointment - and warren - this could actually be what makes your prediction about Georgia being in play have some merit - without Barr in the race, not so much.
And yes, Wendy!, Elizabeth Edwards is definitely either suggesting or foreshadowing an endorsement - question is whether it is only hers or hers and John's. They are smart enough to at this point wait until the fat lady is warming up her vocal chords to formally endorse either candidate, if they do so at all.
TZ: I mean the Obama clips. Lord knows the Hillary clips exist. i've seen that Mad as Hell video...seems like it's starting to go viral. Tapper linked to it from his blog as well.
It won't see the light of day since it doesn't bow and scrape before the shrine that is Olbermann, but I had fun blasting him for the Elton John Bronze last night.
Blue reminded me that the dinner is almost upon us. First the collar bone and then the ankle. You are somewhat accident prone and don't have too many undamaged appendages left. Should we have an ambulance escort you too and from the event?
Allies of Palestinians see a friend in Barack Obama
"CHICAGO -- It was a celebration of Palestinian culture -- a night of music, dancing and a dash of politics. Local Arab Americans were bidding farewell to Rashid Khalidi, an internationally known scholar, critic of Israel and advocate for Palestinian rights, who was leaving town for a job in New York.
A special tribute came from Khalidi's friend and frequent dinner companion, the young state Sen. Barack Obama. Speaking to the crowd, Obama reminisced about meals prepared by Khalidi's wife, Mona, and conversations that had challenged his thinking.
...I'm hoping that, for many years to come, we continue that conversation -- a conversation that is necessary not just around Mona and Rashid's dinner table," but around "this entire world."
...the warm embrace Obama gave to Khalidi, and words like those at the professor's going-away party, have left some Palestinian American leaders believing that Obama is more receptive to their viewpoint than he is willing to say.
Their belief is not drawn from Obama's speeches or campaign literature, but from comments that some say Obama made in private and from his association with the Palestinian American community in his hometown of Chicago, including his presence at events where anger at Israeli and U.S. Middle East policy was freely expressed."
Clinton's latest spin is that people who oppose her are just "sexist." Why else would any Democrat oppose her?
How about her six years on Wal-Mart's board of directors?
*****
It was during those six years that Clinton served with the notoriously anti-union Rose Law firm in Little Rock, defending Wal-Mart against workers who tried to unionize. It was also during those six years that Clinton served with fellow board member John Tate, whose favorite saying was: "Labor unions are nothing but blood-sucking parasites living off the productive labor of people who work for a living."
I see that no one is concerned about the War Crimes committed by this current administration and have not let there representatives know that they need to take appropriate steps to start the process of holding them responsible through impeachment hearings.
"In dozens of top-secret talks and meetings in the White House, the most senior Bush administration officials discussed and approved specific details of how high-value al Qaeda suspects would be interrogated by the Central Intelligence Agency, sources tell ABC News."
Also when will the International Community step up to the plate and uphold their obligations under International Law and the Geneva Conventions.
None of them should be allowed to set foot in any Country that are signatories to the Conventions without being arrested and tried for their War Crimes.
But then over half the country think Torture is okay and see no problem with us being a Country that Commits Acts of Torture and other War Crimes.
Maybe after all the Reverend Wright is correct and God has Damned America.
well our long national nightmare is over and i've ended my boycott of my own blog. just read yesterday's thread and much appreciate the improved decorum. thanks to do those who made an effort (btw, MaxTrue, i was NOT asking anyone to leave other than myself).
i realize that debating the finer points of the Monroe Doctrine is not sexy or anything, but i enjoyed reading all of your thoughts
and yes, blue and jamie, the big dinner is coming april 26. maybe i'll wear my various orhopod equipment (arm sling and ankle boot) for better protection
oh and thanks for your comments on the video (told you i was off to do yard work yesterday). again, it sure helps to have a creative producer -- thanks Andrew!
Wal-Mart is notorious for denying promotions to women, and paying women lower salaries than men doing the same job. (After all, men have to support a family.)
Wal-Mart's clothing comes from Asian sweat shops were teenaged girls work 16 hour days, for about $2.00 a day. Sexual abuse by male supervisors is common.
Wal-mart is also notoriously racist, denying promotions to minorities, but I don't suppose that the "feminists for Hillary" care about that either.
Sen. Obama sees no hypocrisy in his wife's post at a firm that does business with Wal-Mart
"Barack Obama made national headlines last month when he loudly enlisted in the campaign to get Wal-Mart Stores Inc. to treat its workers better.
Which raises a question — not about corporate values but about Mr. Obama's values. Specifically, while Mr. Obama bashes Wal-Mart, why does his wife, Michelle, make $45,000 a year serving on the board of a Chicago-area company that pays its executives a very hefty amount of money while laying off mostly minority workers in an economically deprived area, a company whose No. 1 customer is — you guessed it — Wal-Mart? "
Renee: Obama's wife serving on the board of a company that sells products to Wal-Mart is not even close to being the same as serving on the board of Wal-Mart.
In any case, you are ducking the issue. If Hillary is such a feminist icon, why did she serve for six years on Wal-Mart's board? During those six years hundreds of thousands of female Wal-Mart employees were discriminated against. It wasn't an accicident; it was corporate policy. That's what the board does; it sets policy.
No Nash. It isn't the criticism. It is the constant drum beat of Hillary, bad bad bad; Barack good good good.
No politician is all good or all bad. You can't get to where they are in the political pecking order without a whole lot of things to view with alarm and point with pride. The Clinton supporters just get more than a little tired to the Golden Man or Hope, Change, and Vision who has just as many faults and questionable associations as the past middle aged angry bitch running against him.
Off to purchase my own Black & Decker Alligator Loppers for some serious pruning of dog's garden. And it is a stretch to apply "garden" to this situation! Woodland detritus, maybe.
From Wal-Mart. (Horrors, I know. But they're nearest purveyor; Home Depot no longer carries the lopper and I will not settle for less. If it's a chain saw relative, I want a known manufacturer.)
Jamie: That NYT piece on Hillary & Wal-Mart alleges that she tried to be a progressive force on Wal-Mart's board. How do they know that? Because that's what Hillary and her friends say. (And they wouldn't lie.)
Nice spin, but the fact is that Wal-Mart was, and still is, the most notorious racist,sexist, and virulently anti-union corporation in the USA.
Clinton had NO, repeat, NO impact on their policies, but she was well-paid for her board membership.
Craig: I was hoping you might be having better luck with Plumbago, cities often being warmer with reflected heat off brick and sidewalks! It's a beautiful plant; was thinking you tried it to remind you of your boyhood home.
I shall be happy if I don't kill a hydrangea this year. (Planting the damn thing instead of forgetting it in its little pot might help there.) Have been coveting big fluffy hydrangea flowers for 2 years now.
Used to want to sneak about at night in Richmond with scissors and rustle a few from my neighbors' long established plants.
Yes Nash we know. She couldn't have possibly tried to make any changes in their policies. After all she is that Witch of the Western World named Hillary Clinton.
That testimony did not come from Hillary. It came from the people who worked with her on The Children's Defense Fund. The article mentions that she wasn't as effective as she hoped to be, and yes it does mention her salary. But go ahead, only point out the negatives. We wouldn't want to risk any Obama supporter actually admitting that just maybe she had accomplished anything worth doing in her 60+ years of existence.
Jamie is growing hyperbole in her garden this morning. (Hint: one's reservations about Hillary Clinton are not all explained away by misogyny. Any more than any about Obama are entirely products of racism.)
I'd be one of the last to endorse any sexist practices at WalMart - and I do not support their approach to purchasing or their control of their supply chain vendors. But one thing I can tell you from personal experience is that working for a client of your law firm is something you do or you get thehell out. I don't tar Michelle Obama for her ties (albeit less direct than Hillary's) to WM any more than I tar Hillary for hers. Both of them have severed those ties - in Hillary's case that occurred 16 years ago, about the time Sam Walton - who is probably alternately cheering and rolling over in his grave over WalMart's current growth, sexist reputation and pipeline to China. Michelle severed her ties to TreeHouse Foods last year.
The NYT did an article on Hillary's WalMart years last May. It's linked below.
I believe a fair reading of the Times article is that while on Walmart's board, Hillary picked the areas she thought she could improve (specifically women in management and environmentally sensitive issues), moved the company some in those areas, but not as much as she would have liked, and left alone those areas that she felt she could not change but that the effort to do so would lessen whatever power the youngest and only female board member of the corporation had to effect some change in the company. And while Walmart was certainly not the best of corporate citizens while Hillary was on the board and the problems that would come to light later were undoubtedly occuring while she was on the board, it bears noting that Walmart's most rapid period of growth and the exposes of the problems with Walmart's Asia connection occurred in the mid 90s to early 2000s, after Sam Walton died and after Hillary was off the board.
Hopefully the end of the Primary will liven the place up and press people's happy buttons too.
Have a great day Ya'll!
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun | April 11, 2008 6:10 AM
Sheila do you think that will really happen? I wasn't here before the whole primary season began, but I've read it was a nicer place then. But... will people who have gone back and forth at each other really see the possibilities of being friends again? I know that politicians often put aside differences for their own common good, i.e., John F. Kennedy choosing Lyndon Johnson as his running mate. But the rest of the political junkies like us? I don't know...
I thought Craig was really clever today... and I loved the weeds analogy, though I'd say the worst of all would be the money grubbing, greedy, political advisors and handlers.
If you could not be at the Protest Campaign against Media bias and in support of Hillary and The Michigan and Florida voters, you are asked to please write to
msnbc - letters or Hardball
evening at cbs
Jack Cafferty on CNN
Democratic National convention
The correct addresses are on Taylor Marsh. I cannot put them on here, due to rules.
oh.... and Craig....
you know that you and I share the fact that "Being There" is our favorite movie....
I've said it before...... but it needs to be said again.....
Peter Sellers is a god!.....
Posted by: RebelliousRenee | April 11, 2008 8:12 AM
"I like to watch EVE"....
heheheh, I will never forget Shirley McClaine in that scene... even if I found it all a bit bewildering!
" I cannot put them on here, due to rules. -- Posted by: Julie-Young73"
Rules? We have rules? Do you mean the link limit? If so, anyone can post two links per comment (our spam filter holds comments with 3 or more, an unfortunate necessity to keep the porn merchants away)
all of this plant talk has me thinking it would be fun to make a video of yours sometime. send me your favorite plant photo (preferably with you in it) and we'll slap together a nice little montage, our own salute to spring
Maybe after all the Reverend Wright is correct and God has Damned America.
Posted by: anon-paranoid | April 11, 2008 9:56 AM
Anon, he did say that God HAS damned America. He said "I SAY GAHHHD DAMMMMMMM America!". In other words, he was doing the 'damning' or you could perhaps interpret it to mean that he was calling ON God to "damn" America.
Either way, it's a pretty negative judgment call. I do think if Wright would have said something like "if we do not address what we've done around that world, then we live in a tenuous situation where our God could end up DAMNing America..." That would have gotten the point across without him calling on God to do it...
While posting links to Taylor Marsh will get you confused with Gordo, I don't see any problem with posting public addresses to news organizations.
Private or personal information would be another story, IMNSHO(in my not so humble opinion)
Rules? We have rules? Do you mean the link limit? If so, anyone can post two links per comment (our spam filter holds comments with 3 or more, an unfortunate necessity to keep the porn merchants away)
Posted by: Craig Crawford | April 11, 2008 11:06 AM
ET - I'm just one person who has been here for a long while and my perspective is only my own, but I can say without reservation that the past 3 or so months have been unlike anything that has ever occured here. The norm before was Dems or Libs versus Reps or Conservatives (who were much fewer in number than the lib/dems), issues were discused pretty regularly as they arose in the media or as a result of Craig's posts, and the rancor was WAAAAYYYY less than what you see here now day in and day out. I suspect that when the nomination fight is done and there is a broader unifying theme at play in the form of inter reather than intra party argument, things will settle down again, and all the world - or at least our little corner of it - will return to a state of sweetness and light.
Craig, good to see you back. Once again, thank you for letting me use your bandwidth to vet my frustrations. I suggest everyone read Willianm Swann's new book about the marginalized Centerfield
I am sure if you drop in and post to William directly, Craig, he would be happy to send you a book for free.
I see Gordo had a Khalidi watch post and before it gets blasted, let me add that Rashid is very vocal about his support of Hamas. He worked with the PLO when they were conducting terror operations. I posted weeks ago the pro-Hamas article that appeared in the Trinity newsletter. Now we all know about Zbig and Carter's inclination for Obama. We also know that AAAN, Khalidi's group that Obama funded at Woods Fund, collaborates with CAIRS, another pro-Hamas group. So how disingenuous is it that after FOX blasted the newsletter and pointed to Carter's trip to Syria to talk to the terrorist leader of Hamas, that Obama suddenly declares he will not talk to Hamas until they renounce violence and accept the existence of Israel? Of course he has made no such flip-flop over Ahmadinejad who does not renounce such violence. Hillary does not have this problem. She is quite conistent on her position toward terror, Israel and the need for the US to keep pressure on Iran and even create no-fly zones to thwart the air craft China sells to the Sudan.
Again the Wal-Mart bashing of Hillary by Obama reflects such hypocrisy as RR points out. Michele sat on the board of a major food supplier to Wal-Mart for years making thousands of dollars and then left giving a rather lame excuse. To independents, I suspect, this hypocritical behavior reflects on the character and consistency of Barak Obama. While I doubt this has any impact on Obama supporters, as Wendy points out, this might not play so well in the general.......
Sorry, I did not mean to sound critical. Just that there were 5 addresses to post..
There was a protest in NYC this morning to protest the media bias of Hillary and disenfranchised Michigan and Florida voters. I know that you must be neutral Craig and fair to all three presidential runners. But I am sorry that you did not promote this more. Realize it is hard to appease us all, hee hee. As if you could.
Seriously, you all please , all Hillary supporters write.
Love your blog Craig, you're the best..
we weeds do need to be closely watched over.
Sharing my perspective...pogo's right. The current tone of the blog is far different than it was a short year ago. I found the blog during the Imus debacle and, while there was disagreement amongst us as to whether Imus was good or bad, it didn't result in badly hurt feelings or enmity deep enough that it may end some once very good cyber-friendships...as I think has already occurred during this political season.
As one whose intent is to vote for the Democrat nominee in November, I'm shocked and saddened to see how some here demonize one or the other of the Dem candidates. Seems unproductive to me.
I'm also saddened that it's so easy for the media to divert our attention from what's important. We spend so much time on the topic d'jour. Meanwhile, our country is being taken from us, bit by bit. Focus, please...
Supreme Court!
Constitution!
Feel free to add to the list of what we need to focus on....
How the Clintons got elected and then got rich: part II. (Exploiting war refugees and union-busting.)
Here's how Bill Clinton helped thousands of Bosnian refugees come to the USA to work for Tyson corp, another notorious anti-union company. (Tyson was Bill's first big-business political contributor when he ran for governor.)
Today's video is wonderful...and the metaphor painfully accurate!
I love playing in the dirt. Have a big back yard that is always a work of art in progress. Aren't they all!?! But I'd never heard of a plumbago before. Don't think it would grown happily in WA state, either, but it's beautiful. Did you see the picture Linda posted of a plumbago in full flower? Gorgeous!
And, dog...I choose skyflower. Love that name for the plumbago (which sounds a bit like a painful medical condition)....
Okay Nash, you take Rezko and Auchi and I'll take Tyson. Two indicted criminals v a guy who looks like the product he sells. And Rez can trade me two run down churches for slumlord housing. Yep, I can live with that score card.
And did those Bosnians hate coming here and working for Tyson?
Well, time for lunch - I'm feeling the need to head south of the border to Las Trancas for some chips, salsa and whatever the special is today. Arriba! Andale!!
Yes! Yes! Yes! And yes! To everything you added! And the Supreme Court and our Constitution should lead the way to the best decisions regarding all of these issues!
Jamie, I remember before that when Larry Hagman was Anthony Nelson on I Dream of Jeannie... I bought several seasons on DVD, though now I am moving back to "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" since I have watched all 3 released seasons of THAT GIRL... MTM was based in Minneapolis where I grew up. It's still so much fun to watch...
If anyone is into tv trivia I am playing tv squares on facebook.. Join in with the fun... Here is the link to my profile:
As much as I recognize your distaste for Hillary, I don't consider you to be demonizing her. I consider you to be posting your opinions, often coupled with documentation to back them up. Those are the kinds of posts we need in order to make reasoned decisions, because none of us can keep up with all the information that's available...or vet it.
We need your voice...and kgc's...and bunches of others who do such a good job of enlightening us...even when we may not like what we're reading. I'm always pleased to see your posts.
If there are any TV "historians" in the room today...I need help finding the name of a program that aired on ESPN.
It was the skeet shooting show that paired a celebrity with a professional shooter. Their goal was to shoot targets within certain areas of a grid to score points.
I thought it was Star Shots but I am not sure and the google is letting me down.
Big deal. Rich people support Obama. So do poor people, middle-class people etc. And it is crazy to pick on this point - when there is no denying that Obama's campaign has been supported by more small donors than any other in history...
Another Boycott Beijing moment. (Not 'being there' would be your safest bet.)
"More than 100 staff at 21 stations surrounding the city will have 10 minutes' notice to fire rockets or cannons containing silver iodide at approaching clouds in the hope of making them rain before they reach the stadium."
"The Office of Environment, Health and Safety, UC Berkeley, rates silver iodide as a Class C, non-soluble, inorganic, hazardous chemical that pollutes water and soil.(8) It has been found to be highly toxic to fish, livestock and humans.(6,7,8,9) Numerous medical articles demonstrate that humans absorb silver iodide through the lungs, nose, skin, and GI tract.(7,8,9) Mild toxicity can cause GI irritation, renal and pulmonary lesions, and mild argyria (blue or black discoloration of the skin). Severe toxicity can result in hemorrhagic gastroenteritis, shock, enlarged heart, severe argyria, and death by respiratory depression.(8)"
The point is Obama goes around telling everyone that they don't. He's lying.
SurveyUSA shows Hillary up to 18% again after a narrowing last week. Another poll has her up by 10% after it was also narrower last week. The polls...how are they looking...like Hillary's minor glitch with Bosnia is behind her and she's now pulling away from him again. That's how they're looking.
Didn't it used to be like 16 or 20 points? Man, looks like Obama does well when he gets out and meets the voters.
Don't worry - I am sure Clinton will fight on even if she does not get a big win in PA. It will dive-bomb her chances to win the popular vote - but the Clintons will come up with some other argument...
(Like Hillary does better with people who vote before 12:00 pm - and THOSE are the MOST important voters in the general elections - that Mr. or Mrs. Super D - is EXACTLY why you should vote for Senator Clinton!!)
I have never heard Obama say rich people don't support him. That would be silly.
And just because Obama focuses on the record number of small donors he has...well...wouldn't you?
(I think it is a great point.)
(And Bosina WAS behind her - until Wild Bill brought it up again along with some "misstatements" of his own. Plus, even if people are not talking about it - no one has forgotten it.)
I'll see yours with 15 million from Ron Burkle plus raise you 31 million from Frank Giustra funneled to Hillary via Bubba. The QPQ will be forthcoming if they can get her elected. They'll make W/Cheney scam look like a monopoly game LOL
No...he says he doesn't take money from certain industries when in fact...he does...the money is simply laundered through family members to make it look as if he doesn't.
You can't spin it with me Warren. Perhaps you'll convince a lurker...
And what does it say about someone that is outspending his opponent by 4-1 in a state and just when it looked like he was going to catch up to her...she PULLS away from him and widens the margin again...Dude can't close the deal.
"even if people are not talking about it - no one has forgotten it."
clearly...given her lead is widening in PA again...they have.
Now go on...go spin Obama's sinking PA poll numbers until you barf...I'll be out of the office for a couple of hours.
"You know, I got tickled the other day. A lot of the way this whole campaign has been covered has amused me. But there was a lot of fulminating because Hillary, one time late at night when she was exhausted, misstated — and immediately apologized for it — what happened to her in Bosnia in 1995 [sic]. Did y'all see all that? Oh, they blew it up."
One time Bill - really? "Immediately apologized" (as soon as she saw the video-tape).
And "fulminating"? Who talks like that? (at least he threw in a "y'all"...)
Warren..Please read my post carefully. I alluded to the previous drop.
Your heightened sense of distress is very encouraging for Hillary supporters.
Gorgeous, sunny day in the Willamette Valley. I'm going to go to Portland and do 15 minutes of sign holding for Hillary in Salem, Keizer, Woodburn, Canby, Wilsonville,
Oregon City, Gladstone, Gresham, and several stops in Portland.
"And what does it say about someone that is outspending his opponent by 4-1"
It says he has more money that her because he is more popular and his campaign is better managed.
And would you lay off the "can't close the deal" argument. It was created by the GOP and it is pure sophistry.
Obama could not win over the loyal Clintonites - even if he really was the second coming. So until she drops out - he will not win over those voters no matter how much he spends.
I sure don't remember seeing the outrage over Pat Robersons remarks regarding God punishing NOLA because of the Gays like I see the outrage over Rev. Wrights remarks.
Nor over his calling for the killing of a foreign leader. And as far as I know no one has left his church.
So does that mean that all those who attend Robertson's Church or even Jerry Falwell's church should be condemned for not leaving it?
Seems to be quite selective when it comes to preachers of so called Christian Churches whether or not someone should disassociated themselves from them.
And yes in the Bible God does condemn them who do not do right. Many nations were destroyed because God condemned them for how they treated others, so why should we consider ourselves better than those nations God did damn?
Obama does not care about the Joint Chiefs personal positions - he would rather just change their official position:
The Democratic presidential front-runner told The Advocate, a gay magazine, that he wants to repeal the "don't ask, don't tell" policy on gays, which was instituted during the Clinton administration.
He said his priority for the Joint Chiefs will be that they make decisions to strengthen the military and keep the country safe, not their position on the policy.
Arabic is hard.
It's much easier to translate "liberal perfesser wannabe"
I only need to understand 2 or 3 phrases with the most common being " I can______ but you are a ________________ when you do."
Max, Roberts and Alito got past a Judiciary Committee and Democratic Senate that is for all intents and purposes the same Democratic Senate we can expect to see over the next 4 years. I'd take my chances with Obama nominees as opposed to McCain nominees.
As to PA, warren, I'll correct your typo - Man, looks like Obama does well when he gets out and
outspends Hillary four to one. Today's PA polls were 6 and 10 pint Clinton leads - increased over the 4 point lead of a couple days ago. usaelectionpolls.com does a nice analysis of the ping ponging polls in PA (is that alliterative or what?)
Funny, where I heard the "can't close the deal" statement was on MSGObama - from Chris Matthews, who I seem to recall warren heaping praise on a couple months ago. And you're right - who does say fulminating? When I need to have my house fulminated, I call Orkin. No, wait, that's not right, is it?
ful·mi·nate: verb, -nat·ed, -nat·ing, noun
–verb (used without object)
1. to explode with a loud noise; detonate.
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Very honestly, it seems that Hillary's health care plan may be better, and I see no reason why President Barack Obama cannot press to have it enacted into law and give her full kudos when he does.
You gotta get elected by the whole country -- not just big blue states -- and he has a better chance of becoming president.
Gorgeous day here in northern VA. Changing into shorts to work in the yard and try out the new Alligator Loppers. Hope I have all typing fingers when I return.
ok I don't agree with DOMA either... but my understanding was to pass the bill in order to protect the U.S. Constitution to be used to make same sex marriage unconstitutional... Is this not so?
Warren said "Obama does not care about the Joint Chiefs personal positions - he would rather just change their official position:
The Democratic presidential front-runner told The Advocate, a gay magazine, that he wants to repeal the "don't ask, don't tell" policy on gays, which was instituted during the Clinton administration.
He said his priority for the Joint Chiefs will be that they make decisions to strengthen the military and keep the country safe, not their position on the policy."
Accepting that you've reported the position of the candidate accurately then his position should serve to crystallize the military vote.
Pogo, the Democrats will pick up seats in Congress and will certainly be in position to block any wacko nominee McCain proposes. On the other hand, it might be hard to stop another one of Obama's friends from getting the job.
Rez, you're funny. I don't think Hillary got money from the likes of Rezko and the trial will be full throttle in a few months. I don't think Hillary has to give money back from bombers either. And how mush did Ayer's fund raiser net for Obama? How much did Khalidi's net? Until Obama comes clean, we might never know.
It is clear Obama makes a big deal about how "clean" he is but it is just another phony story. Oil money and the BIG Saddam Oil MONEY via Auchi. The irony is not lost.
And comparing the Clinton association with two run down churches doesn't really compare to that letter of endorsement for what became partially built slum dwellings. Now where was Obama's outrage? He was so angry at Rezko, he let him help him by a fancy house. I'm sure Michele was never GAWD DAMN prouder.
We were backing Edwards. We're still trying to find out what went wrong with our equipment. This is what happens when you outsource to electronic component suppliers in China.
-The aliens from the galaxy in Andromeda
I think we are too divided right now, and yet, even the folks whom I get so irritated with, I know that in normal circumstances I would be in solidarity with them. I try to release any bitterness.. it's too destructive. And I have abandoned the idea of a 3rd party candidate to vote for. I have always been a Democrat and just can't abandon it as much as I try... I try to think of this blog as sort of a slightly dysfunctional, highly energized, passionate family. Our bark is far worse than our bite...
Max, I hope you'e right - but it will run counter to such experts as CQ if that happens to any significant degree. Best case - dems pick up maybe 5 seats in the Senate (7 are possible, but not likely). That won't change the balance or the power on the judiciary committee and doesn't give dems enough votes for cloture.
Nader did mention this re-positioning by Obama when he first thought of running for President. Now how long ago was that? Maybe Obama's sudden distancing from Khalidi gives us a much more honest answer than what Obama claims......
Pogo, if Dems only win the seats you predict, the race for President will be even tighter than that. Another reason to see how Hillary stacks up better against McCain. Based on Obama supporters expecting some sea change turnout you should not worry.
But I think you are playing it both ways....we need Obama over McCain because the Dems won't have much advantage in Congress and then discounting the disaster an Obama nomination will bring by touting the signs that he represents some great tidal wave.
Sorry if I've mischaracterized your position. Personally, I think Dems win a bit more in the Congressional races and McCain beats Obama because the voters once again elect divided government because both pick are rather lame.......One questionable person blances out a Congress with terrible ratings.
The hospital says she deserved it, but I don't know too many people who get a $200,000 a year boost followed by a paid leave of absence for campaigning
Great video, CC. My rose bushes are still slumbering ...no sign of life yet. It's still all brown here (northern Ohio) and everything's under water AGAIN. Hard, steady rain for the last say and a half, but today's nice.
I follow the trail of Moqtada al-Sadr as closely as I can. There is big trouble now after this latest assassination. To Moqtada al-Sadr's credit, he is urging his Mahdi Army to not go on all-out offensive ...yet...here's the update:
I know the high and mighty types here are offended whenever they are told that people in other country's hate the US, or they think that 9/11 was a case of the US getting what it deserved.
Here is a local example of the hell this country has wrought upon a neighbor because we propped a dictator and funded him because he was Anti Communist.
For all of you who hate the idea of gays in the millitary...why haven't you embraced the idea of making gay soldiers to be the lead bullet catchers or IED catchers? Don't you want to spare your hetero soldiers that cruel fate? Isn't it God's will to dispense the world of gays?
The King of Saudi Arabia is building slum dwellings in Chicago? Is he Hamas or Hizb'Allah? I don't see Obama ranting about him or even Pelosi. Raise you Auchi.
Max,
I never read much about SA in your spiels. I'm sure Iran supports the Shiites, but doesn't SA fund and support the Sunnis. Should we not be more demonstrative towards them too.
Then there was another $3 million for nano technologies
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, College of Engineering, for Nanomedical Technologies, $3,000,000
Funding will be utilized to equip the new addition to the Micro and Nanoelectronics Laboratory in order to carry out advanced research in Nanomedical Technologies. Activities will include the discovery or invention of new nanoparticles for targeting and imaging cancer; how cells are affected by infectious diseases, and how to detect pathogens.
Max,
The amounts of money from Rezko et al is peanuts compared to Burkle and Giustra. These guys are reaping billions from their connection to the Clinton twins.
"Yes it is, because on ideas, Hillary and Barack are pretty much on the same page... except Hillary's health care is far better..."
Perhaps - but it will never get past the Republicans in Congress. So therefore, Obama's plan will have an impact sooner - and if we need mandates - we can pass them later.
Saudi Arabia treats women like crap but neither Obama or Pelosi say much. And SA would rather fund extremists in Iraq to go after the Shia than send peacekeepers or curb their home-grown bombers.
But to bash the King of SA misses the point of advancing the Reformation of Islam and the delicate struggle to isolate Iran. The Saudis have moved to recognize Israel's pre-1967 borders. Iran has not. So I would argue that the Saudis have played things both ways but at least advnace some Western interests. They are slowly creeping towards Reformation having recently declared they will re-edicate all their clerics and begin stopping the hate spewing out of their madrasses. We can only hope.
Realsim leads us to pick between the lesser of evils, but it doesn't mean giving up principle. The world cried when the Saudis were going to punish a rape victim. There is a semblance of reform in SA.
What should we do? Well as LL and I discussed last night, we should try and use our leverage to get China and Russia on board a joint agreement regarding terrorism, criminal networks, the reformation of Islam and a coalition to enforce international agreements including basic human rights and WMD proliferation. IF SA understands the major powers are united, Reformation will proceed and regimes like Iran's and Syria's will be on notice. By simply attacking a sometimes-allie like SA, we may loses Lebanon, fail to contain Iran and even see the Royals fall to extremists which is OBL intent.
SA and Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon need to be nudged. So while we should protest loudly the deplorable things SA does, we should also support the right things. We should be asking however, why the world doesn't unify it's message to a region that oppresses women. My suggestion is a HUGE push towards alternative energy to break the grip of oil. That would send shock waves to the various regimes that use oil to mask their pretense of Democracy.
Robin Wright is wrong. It is not the US that has discredited Democracy more than any other nation. Clobert missed his chance for centrist cred last night. Sorry Colbert, you aren't funny when kssing someone's ass unless it's your own.
these are the kinds of deals the Clintons get involved in, not some 40K grant or help with a home mortgage.Billions!
Giustra also happens to be close to the Canadian PM office, remember NaftaGate, a little qpq or what?
"And would you lay off the "can't close the deal" argument. "
Ummmm...no...1) because it's true and 2) free speech. At least I didn't call him a . . . Big F*#@ W#@$...so you should always think to yourself...well what she said could have been worse.
Max, those aren't my predictions - that is outside any sense I have for the races in such exotic climes as Minnesota. Those are CQ's predictions and my application of the "You can't always get what you want" theory of politics. As I said, I hope you're right. I do expect the Dems should win in Nov., and I hope they can take some of the open seats that folks like Warner are retiring from. I really don't think I'm trying to have anything both ways - I prefer Hillary to Obama, I prefer either dem candidate to McCain and expect the dem candidate will win in a close contest in Nov. And I don't see Dem. gains beyond about 5 senators, with maybe 8 or nine in the House.
I have certainly not touted signs of a great Obama tidal wave - you'd have to look long and hard to find any such statement from me - and your efforts would be in vain. I think both Obama and Hillary face significant challenges holding at least a portion of the others' supporters, which increases the pressure to attract the middle and a few crossovers. Do I think Hillary iswellpositionedtodo that? Yep. Obama? Maybe. I fully expect the pres race to be close and hinge on half a dozen or so of the traditional swing states, and I think Hillary has a better chance to win the ones of those states with the largest number of electoral vottes.
And do I have reservations about Obama supporters who might be USSCt nominees? I might if I thought I knew who those nominees might be. I know I'm not likely to see moderate candidates come from McCain - and I don't trust this Senate to stand up to his nominees any more than it did to Bush's.
"Funny, where I heard the "can't close the deal" statement was on MSGObama - from Chris Matthews"
Ah...Pogo whenever someone says something negative...yet truthful...about Obama Warren always claims it's a GOP talking point. It's the old "If you're not for us you're against us" coming from Warren if you ask me. Now THAT is a GOP talking point.
Before I go Rez, you over-look the history. Kaz gave up its enrichment activites which won Bush some praise around the world. They let us remove their dangerous stock piles which they could easily have sold. See the acclaim Bush got from the IAEA. Kaz then let us use their countries for operation in Afghnaistan. Despite this, Bush and Democrats blasted them over human rights but since then we have been trying to patch things up. THen the deal happened (no criminality) and guess what? Kaz opened themselves up for NATO to again use their country for military operations in Afghanistan and continued to follow through on proliferation agreements. This is a highly complicated situation and is NOTHING like Auchi making billions off of Saddma's food for oil scam and funneling some money into Rezko. At least Clinton's effort helped our national interests rather than Auchi. Would you rather Putin secure Kaz uranium. and the Clinton Library is hardly slum dwellings. Are you suggesting Hillary's foreign policy will be swayed by the Kaz deal or the money the Clinton library got? Criminal charges? So I think you paint the wrong picture even if there was some qpq. NATO has a base, Kaz is back on track on proliferation and Putin or China does not mine the urnaium fields. Would you fell better if Obama landed Auchi an exclusive on Chavez's uranium fields and donated millions to AAAN or CAIRS?
I think we are talking apples and oranges again. But laterm that was my quich answer.
P.S. Warren I know my Israel history pretty well and note that before WW2, Sunnis wanted European Jews to flock to Palestine because they knew the educational and economic institutions they would bring. The Nazi Grand Mufti changed all of that, but that is a long story. Jordan was part of Palestine, so please remember that when you claim perhaps, that the West Bank and Gaza are not enough for today's Palestinians. There was ample reason Jordan threw them out.
"Jamie every aspect of this argument that you keep stabbing at just rings hollow to me. There is no smoke, there is no fire. "
I didn't say there was. Just because something happens to be true doesn't mean that it is necessaryily some evil conspiracy or the result of nefarious dealings. Sometimes it is an investment in the future sometimes it is totally benign.
Michelle might be worth $300,000 a year. The earmarks for the University could all be wise and necessary expenditures without any quid pro quo. The same could be absolutely true about the Clintons and their investments.
Maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle. They are all benefitting by their professional positions while doing some good for society in the process.
One evening in Oct 2007 the #2 USC Trojans took the field against...well the very unranked Stanford Cardinals. Should have been a scrimmage for the mighty USC Trojans and for the first half of the game...it pretty much was. USC took a small lead into half time. But nobody realized the USC QB had broken his finger and when he came out for the second half...he was awful. The small lead USC had dwindled until there were only seconds left in the game and Stanford was only behind by 1. But Stanford was down to one play left. 4th and 10 against one of the best defenses in the country...game over...yes? No. Stanford converted a 4th and 10 pass to the corner of the end zone to take a one point lead in the game and knock the mighty Trojans off their pedestal and win the game.
Anyone want to guess the moral of the story?
Oh...heck...I'll just tell ya.
It ain't over till it's over. How I wish we could have ended the game with 10 primaries - I mean yards - to go. USC Trojans might just be the 2007 National Champions.
But your point was also nonsensical...because you heard Matalin say it...it's a GOP talking point? I think lots of people have been saying it...not because it's a talking point but because it is true.
Max, I know you're out of here now, but just for you to look over and noodle when you return and if you look back this far - here's why I'm a little less than convinced of the Dem congressional gains many are predicting.
Note that the great majority of open seats are in jurisdictions won handily by Bush in '04. 27 of the 34 "transitional house seats were in districts won by Bush, and all of the 5 transitional senate seats were in states won by Bush.
I just want to say that I don't think anyone is worth $300,000 a year... Obamas, Clintons or so-called medical professionals or lawyers. Not to mention corporate leaders and oil hacks...
The problem with your analogy isn't that it ain't over until it's over.
The Trojans on paper were a lot better than USC. In this race that is HRC. The Trojans QB was hurt and their over rated receiving corps underperformed....sounds like the Clinton Campaign hierarchy here.
Stanford played a scrappy and gritty game. They realized early on that they could hang with the Trojans and they fed off the burst of confidence this realization brought them...sounds like Obama to me.
If you want to use another analogy, maybe you can use Greg Norman's choke at the 96 Masters...but I think Clinton plays that part as well.
I'm not even going to pop out a quote from this...just suffice it to say...proof that Obama shouldn't be President because he really doesn't know what he's talking about MOST of the time.
If you review the scouting reports for your USC Trojans, home of OJ Simpson by the way, you will see that while they lacked experience, the receivers were labeled great talents.
The "experts" pointed to Booty as the weakness on offense. But who cares...
I can boil the conversation in this page to the following Orwellian statements
War in Iraq is Peace in Iraq
Voter Ignorance is My Strength
Obama's Slavery is My Freedom
No matter what, I laugh when I realize that you Americans here are supposed to be amongst the educated elite...lol
Posted by: Wendy sees the "Troll" when she looks in the mirror... | April 11, 2008 5:05 PM
Maybe it is an indirect way to get the pundits talking about un-truths made on th campaign trail by all candidates Seeing as the "bosnia mis-speak" has already played out , on current political shows they would have to cover all candidates on the topic the untruths. Thus bringing into the discussion mis-truths told by BHO or McC.
I really have to ask purely for clarification of network policy. We are now in to the tenth or eleventh hour of every ten to fifteen minutes of bashing Hillary for a Bill stupid remark.
During this whole period the only mention of Sen. Obama has been whether or not the numbers are narrowing in Pennsylvania. There has been no mention of McCain. There was one mention of the fact that the fire in the new Clinton headquarters may have been arson.
Is there a news director with a brain? No wonder the ratings and income for NBC are in the toilet.
Except that most of the "walking around money" tends to go to black social groups and churches. They may not like the fact that Sen. Obama doesn't care any more about them than he does in the Rezko housing projects.
A great deal of his life seems to be, "I've got mine aren't you impressed!"
I'm not even going to pop out a quote from this...just suffice it to say...proof that Obama shouldn't be President because he really doesn't know what he's talking about MOST of the time.
Posted by: Wendy! | April 11, 2008 4:45 PM
Wendy: Um, I think this may be the dumbest remark of the last month. Even dumber than the vibrating cell phone comment.
At the begiining of Shawn Hannity's radio show he said that Hillary is going to release some kind of bombshell news about Oabam but she is going to wait until after the CBS deate in Philly so Katie and Bob don't ask her about it. He mentioned where he read it but I did not get the name. Did anybody else hear about this.
Jack, OMG that was funny... but ... also a bit mean-spirited. If I can laugh at Joan Rivers saying Elizabeth Taylor is the only person she knows who stares at the microwave and screams "HURRY!!!", well I guess i can laugh at this too :-D
Tom
Your statement quoted above is 100% correct. It is mean spirited but it is one of the levers that Republicans are trying out on Obama. If you can't smear the candidate the smear the supporters.
Pogo has presented the most cogent arguement for sticking with the Democrats. I will look over the entire Congressional race. I will consider it, but every Democrat should listen up. This country is plit down the Middle and the bombastic and racial remark by Obama that he would defeat Republican opposition to Democratic ideas like "busting down the doors of segregation" shows you the marbles be playing with.
If Hillary drops out, this will certainly be a pathetic choice between lame and lamer. What's worse, a Cartereque slide into squandered global leadership and increased threats or a conservative SCOTUS? Tough call if Pogo is right. Let's hope he's not GAWD DAMN WRIGHT.
Pogo has presented the most cogent arguement for sticking with the Democrats. I will look over the entire Congressional race. I will consider it, but every Democrat should listen up. This country is plit down the Middle and the bombastic and racial remark by Obama that he would defeat Republican opposition to Democratic ideas like "busting down the doors of segregation" shows you the marbles be playing with.
If Hillary drops out, this will certainly be a pathetic choice between lame and lamer. What's worse, a Cartereque slide into squandered global leadership and increased threats or a conservative SCOTUS? Tough call if Pogo is right. Let's hope he's not GAWD DAMN WRIGHT.
It's getting fun out there. The blogs are doing what the press used to do. Obama had a closed thing but whatever was said got out on the blog and Hillary just responded to it. CNN is all over it now.
1. When you mentioned Chomsky I hadn't noticed that the link I posted was by ELI CHOMSKY. At first I thought you were talking about NORM CHOMSKY, hense my words about NORM.
2. Then when you quoted ELI, at first, I thought that maybe NORM had written that article and I responded in defending who I thought was NORM...LOL Of course, NORM would never say those things and I realized the article had in fact, been written by ELI. So I hope that clears up my response. I;m sure Chomsky would vote for Obama.
Norm was the guy on Cheers......shouldnt mr world knowlegeable guy at least know who Chomsky is?
As an Independent I agree with your reasoning on foreign policy but think your thoughts have little chance to change the fixed positions of those on the left. I believe if BO were elected it would strengthen the position of Hamas by the weakness he has shown as regards his honesty and character and his penchant to obfuscate his true intentions. Barack "Neville Chamberlain" Obama frightens the hell out of me, and I for one think the lesser of two evils is McCain. That is the way I shall vote if Hillary is not the nominee.
Independents can kiss my burro.....vote as you will.....tired of hearing about your will to vote for a republican if its not this that or the other.....carramba....you wanna play games with the last 7 years........scheissa del toro........take it to the gop....they're waiting for you with open arms.....they got a big tent you know.......right?
BARACK OBAMA HID HIS FATHER'S SOCIALIST AND ANTI-WESTERN CONVICTIONS FROM HIS READERS
"There's a big mystery at the heart of Barack Obama's Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance. What was Barack Obama doing seeking out Marxist professors in college? Why did Obama choose a Communist Party USA member as his socio- political counselor in high school? Why was he spending his time studying neocolonialism and the writings of Frantz Fanon, the pro-violence author of "the Communist Manifesto of neocolonialsm", in college? Why did he take time out from his studies at Columbia to attend socialist conferences at Cooper Union?"
Now is the time for all good men and women to come to the aid of their party. that party would now be democrat. People get ready there's a train a'coming......picking up passengers from coast to coast......obama or clinton.......it's democrat city or bush get s 4 more years........I had to hide my burro......the crush of "independents" was causing him to feel inadequate to the task...........
this is time for fish or cut bait, independents.....dont be a'dangling that "oy, I'll vote for McCain" in front of anyone after the last seven years.........get on board or swill with the republicans........vote honestly as you will but make no mistake......the contest is Democrat vs. Republican.........so CHOOSE, lads and lassies........Choose.
WHo cares if Obama was a socialist or not? And who cares what political leanings his father had? My dad is a total moron repug and my brother is too, except less of a moron. I am a Dem... the sins of the father does not indict the next generation...
Bill Clinton.......a veritable giant among men....Why, man, he doth bestride the narrow world like a colossus......if he were for Obama.........what a monsoon that would be.....but he's for his wife.......and Gore is Silent......and Edwards is silent........Bill Press is neutral.....take a good hard look ladies and germans.
"Clinton and a top McCain aide both pounce on Obama’s remark, reported Friday, that economic woes make small-town Pennsylvanians “cling to guns or religion.”
Rove says on Fox that this will “doom” any chance he has at winning Pennsylvania, while conservative Grover Norquist goes further, telling ABC News: “That sentence will lose him the election.”
GORDO I am totally for Hillary but when our side starts paying serious attention to monsters like Karl Rove and Grover Norquist, then this is a truly messed up election.
ET...it's not about who is pointing it out...the comment he made about PA was truly bone head. . . in fact it was very reminiscent in some ways to the kinds of ignorant crap he pointed out in his race speech. He was stereotyping people to explain why they perhaps "don't get him" and won't vote for him. It was truly stupid.
Juro Tomas.........I admit to being an english major in various yrs of my un-discarded youth pero twas muchos anos pasado.......i carry the vestiges like babies born with gills.......
and 100% is some kind of fiction borne of desperation.
Hey...BTW...I guess I should have realized but I just heard today that Rove never even graduated from college. After I heard that I thought to myself...that explains soooo much.
PS...I didn't fact check this I heard it on POTUS this morning so I could be wrong or misheard.
I think I was saying that if bill endorsed obama there would be no question of who the next president would be.....ie obama
english lit? fahcrying out loudermilk...........just a line from Julius Caesar/Snakesheiss...........
but bill is for Hillary, like me.......so we just hope.....hope for change.........
bear in mind i was a democrat in 68 72 76 80 84 90 92 etc etc......ie.....Im a democrat............and I will be until a further left outlook is viable. rubbery potatoes.
ET -- What Obama said about small town America has ZIP to do with Rove or Norquist's thoughts about it. The comments were insulting and incredibly stupid.
Mr Whiskey Jack.......I am mortified and remiss in not having thanked you far earlier for your bounteous musics you've posted on the blog.....Lest you feel that somehow they were overlooked or simply non-attended I extend to you the great beeg South Carolina muchississimas gracias....y possamore.
Actually, I think I'll give Obama a pass on this one. I read the comments, and in the context of a private fundraiser he's basically speaking as a "political pro" to well-heeled supporters in a backroom environment. So he's just giving an honest, professional political assessment -- sort of like Bill Clinton did about the black vote in South Carolina. Whether you agree with him or not, or think it'll have a huge impact politically, or want to debate the stupidity of saying anything honest in today's world and not thinking it will get out there -- have at it.
I'm just saying I don't think the fact that a professional politician made these observations is all that horrendous.
sturg you must be much older than me... I couldn't vote til 1980... ;-)
Patsi, Wendy, when I read Obama's comments on their own, I don't feel he was trying to be insulting... I think he was trying to say that these people have been let down. But, after reading Hillary's spin on it, she talks about the optimism and strength of Pennsylvania communities and you can't help but appreciate that. Problem for Obama is that he equated frustration and anger and let-downs to an over-reliance on guns, anti-immigration and religion. I agree with Patsi that the comments were "incredibly stupid". Small town people often have even more communal pride than larger places and they don't like to have outsiders advise them of the reasons they have their "biases"... I know this because my Mother lives in a small Northern Minnesota town of 320 people or so...
I don't think Obama meant to be insulting, but he was by default... and yes, dear Patsi, that does make the comments "incredibly stupid"...
Second sturg's comment on your music posts. I sure miss them when your not here.. In fact I had never used you tube before I saw your posts . Now I find myself humming a song you have posted.. Keep em coming.
Mr Lardass......I am thinking that if there were a way to clean up the language on the blog......ie, perhaps somewhatly reduce the frequence of vulgate expressions and doble ententres etc on the blog which must by definition turn off myriad new out-checkers of Crawfordlist.....well......permit me to say that your screen name might be exponentially more effective if you could perhaps have your moniker as Lardmass.
it's not set in stone and certainly the committee for proper pseudonyms has not weighed in, nor indicated that they might at this point be concerned.......nevertheless it is a point which might be considered........I mean, what If i called myself Sturgeone-boonkie........you can imagine the confusion.
You mean people struggling to pay the bills, living with the constant anxiety that if the encounter a serious injury or disease - any savings they might have with be taken by the hospital. And of course mothers and fathers spending every day worrying about sons or daughters in wars on the other side of a globe. (And they don't see anybody doing a thing about it.)
All this - and all politicians do is take positions and say things to get elected - instead of actually getting anything done.
Guess what - you don't have to live in a small town to be bitter and frustrated at the shape Mr. George W. Bush has left this Country in.
(And of course the elite liberal media is SCHOCKED that Obama - in the middle of a heated political contest - would actually tell the TRUTH.)
(They talked about Iraq for a couple of days and now cable news is back talking about what it does best - GOSSIP!).
Sturg...Sounds like you're having FUN tonight! I wish I was there to share a toast with you! :)
Posted by: LardassLiberal | April 11, 2008 7:47 PM
I wish I could even have a toast. I could toast a diet coke or something... This damned diet! grrr... I think I am down 13 kilos which I believe is 28.6 lbs, but not sure.. .
Also, LarLib, the comments by Mr. Obama don't bother me that much, and the partisan side of me thinks "well good, something that he's messed up so now the media can focus on his faux paus and not constantly on the bosnia shit. " I think this will definitely be advantage CLINTON... it will be interesting to see how Pennsylvania plays out in the primary... I, although confessing to much nervousness, still believe it will be a SIGNIFICANT win for Hillary....
My advice to Mrs. Clinton?? Have someone write Bill's speeches and keep him "on the leash" so to speak.
"Obama speaking at a fundraiser for wealthy donors in San Francisco, CA, on Sunday — about what people are like in small-town Pennsylvania (those “typical white people”):
You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them…And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.
And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
Hillary Clinton delivered the following statement at a “Solutions for the Urban Economy” town hall in Philadelphia, PA earlier today, via press release:
“I saw in the media it’s being reported that my opponent said that the people of Pennsylvania who faced hard times are bitter. Well, that’s not my experience.
“As I travel around Pennsylvania, I meet people who are resilient, who are optimistic, who are positive, who are rolling up their sleeves. They are working hard everyday for a better future, for themselves and their children.
“Pennsylvanians don’t need a president who looks down on them, they need a president who stands up for them, who fights for them, who works hard for your futures, your jobs, your families.”
In his arrogance he looks down on people who turn to God and guns when they are in the middle of hard times. In his heightened nobility he won't spend money to get elderly to the polls even while shelling out millions on advertising.
MSNBC worries for 12 hours about Bill Clinton saying something stupid. Will they give 12 minutes to Sen Obama for saying something even more stupid and condescending.
Ok now I see a line in Obama's comments that I find quite stupid... "they cling to..."anti-trade sentiment"... wait, that is a big issue for unions and American workers. to put it in a list of "cling to guns or religion ... anti-immigrant sentiment" diminishes the real concerns of how trade has damaged the U.S. economy. The multinationals have become SO powerful that the nation-state itself is in danger of being made more irrelevant over time.
Jamie...I hear what you're saying and agree with your sentiments.
But in a weird way, I find it comforting whenever Obama reveals that he has any other politician's feet of clay. Makes me think he might actually be capable of running the country, should he be elected.
(someone must be reading this blog - remember the "Obamawan learners". And of course Sen. Lieberman as Palpitine, which makes McCain...you guessed Darth Vader!! "Luke, we will have 100 more years of war...").
Now all we need to do is figure out who Yoda is...
I don't think Obama's childhood leaves him open to this attack that he is some type of elitist.
(Obama may have a lot elite supporters. And of course they are the most visible because the media is Exhibit A. But his support does end there.)
Anyways, growing up as a bi-racial kid without a dad is hardly being born with a silver spoon in your mouth. The fact is that he worked hard to get where he is today. And he is working hard to be the next President of the United States.
I always worry about arrogance in a politician if it looks down on voters. It is one thing for an FDR or a JFK to put for an image for others to rise to meet (sort of like mighty mouse singing opera). It is another for someone like our present WH resident who is insensitive to the needs and feelings of others.
The Clintons may make errors but I don't think they dislike others who don't think the way they do or have what they have. I get the feeling neither Michelle nor Barack want to spend a moment more than absolutely necessary for votes with anyone who isn't in their class or higher.
Warren -- you are trying to change the subject. Just like your candidate changed the subject from Rev. Wright to liberals' love of white guilt. What Obama SAID was that small town Americans unhappy with their plight WHICH IS THE FAULT OF BILL CLINTON AND "W" -- are now bitter and turning to guns, religion and bigotry. READ the statement. He has given the Republicans a guided missle in the general. You are the one who chastised me for using the term "the great unwashed." I have also made the statement that Tenesseans who voted in Bob Corker were a bunch of crackers. But I'm not running for office. Think about it.
"just a constant stream of anti-obama sewage flows from your keyboard. "
And you spew forth nothing but sweetness and light towards Sen. Obama.
No I will not say something positive about Sen. Obama. I find him arrogant and unready for the office he seeks. He is probably a perfectly nice person who loves his wife and family and has all sorts of wonderful qualities.
This is a political blog. If I want someone pleasant to join me for lunch, I'll call Michelle. If I want a President, I'll vote for Hillary.
Jamie...on one blog or another last week (was it this one?) I saw a cool article about how Sean Connery is fully engaged in the cause of Scottish independence from UK. Isn't that awesome? I mean, the guy is a decades-long Hollywood legend and he's still out there in the foggy dew shouting at the English battle lines, like a latter day William Wallace.
Scotland's old noblemen were like the original House of Saud. They were happy to just sell out to the highest bidder.
Sturg. My bad. It's just that I was starting to get a complex about my own name...and that was kinda scary for a minute. I'm out of the defensive crouch now.
Speaking of funny, I was at a bar last night that had a mechanical bull. Me and my friends were hooting and hollaring near the rail. A bunch of girls were riding - and this one girl stepped up and had trouble getting on the bull. She was tall enough and perfectly able but after trying a few times (and we cheered for that) - she gave up and walked away. So I let out a big: BOOOOOO!!!! (all in good fun mind you...this is NYC). And her friend - a typical Westchester snooty type - turns to me and says: "I'd like to see your fat ass get up there and try!" Hah!!
(It was a well-delivered line and she was the perfect one to do it. Anyways, I had to laugh at that one...hence the halibut tonight ; )
Btw, no protests in Buenos Aires when the Olympic torch came through....those people know how to live!!)
The day the new Scottish parliament opened, Sean was there in full tartan when the honors were returned by the British crown and escorted in to the pipes playing Robert Burns "A Man's A Man for A That". The hymn to the equality of man.
See my blog as this is Tartan week in honor of the signing of the Declaration of Arbroath ... a few words of which found their way into a later document called The Declaration of Independence about 400 years later.
Actually, I'm considering starting a new blog called "I'm Gone", which will have an exclusive membership consisting only of posters and commentors from the blogs I boycott in a moronic hissy fit..but will also have steady-stream links back to those selfsame blogs so that, in fact, everything I post on "I'm Gone" will continue to appear there, on all the blogs and among all the people I despise and deride and profess to be above.
In a strange way, my new "I'm Gone" blog will be a way for me to preserve my personal sense of mental integrity as an individual while allowing me to continue engaging with and provoke and insult the people who are, in fact, the center of my pathetic, isolated existence.
And I can still be naked and smoke pot while posting.
It's quite entertaining to see how Obama supporters react when a misstatement by O is taken out of context and blown out of proportion...quite interesting indeed.
Glad I decided to eat my dinner before I finished reading today's thread. First off: Walmart: I don't shop there. I remember when Sheryl Crow wrote a song called "Love Is A Good Thing" that included the line "Watch our children while they kill each other with a gun they bought at Walmart disount stores..." Walmart told Sheryl Crow that if she did not remove that lyric from her song , they would not sell her cd. In return she basically said that Walmart was a corporate bully that goes into small towns and forced local stores out of business. I would never work for them , but I would also never work for a tobacco company. Considering how evil I think tobacco companies are. Regarding the "DOMA". There are a lot of people in West Michigan who would love to see an amendment passed on this. West Michigan is very conservative. I remember when the DOMA was passed. We were talking about it at work and we all said "I guess that means Theresa can't get married now." Theresa was a boss of ours at work. Personally , I don't care. As for Obama , he may be the first politician in history to not have any faults of any kind.
Blowing a statement out of context in one thing. Heck - it is what we all do with McCain's 100-year war comment. It is the candidates job to explain the context.
Lying is a different thing altogether. In those cases, you should just apologize and move on. Trying to explain away a lie just gets you into more trouble.
LL , drugs are bad. Some people I worked with had a party about 7 years ago. I went to it. I didn't know what I would be seeing there. I just expected alcohol. People were smoking marijuana there. Believe it or not , I had never been to a party where people were smoking weed. And then another friend of mine from work reached into his coat pocket and pulled out a bag of pills. My eyes bugged out. He was selling ecstasy. Another co-worker/friend of mine laughed at me when he saw my reaction. Drugs just aren't my thing. To top things off , the girl who hosted the party started making out with her girlfriend during the party. Everybody called her girlfriend "Sammy" because she looked like Sammy Hagar. I told a woman I worked with about the party and she said "That's why I didn't go to the party." I said "Why the hell didn't you warn me?"
Most don't. That's part of the problem.. Whole areas that used to be thriving towns are down to one person. The kids leave, but the retired tend to stay behind unless they can live with children. The towns are dying ... If you have funds, are self sufficient you can pick up large areas of land for next to nothing.
Some call you weeds and some of us call you wild flowers. Only a few I would like to prune out.
If it wasn't for this little bouquet on this blog I wouldn't be able to keep up with the important news since I am boycotting cable news. Thanks for all the links.
I had to run for the blood pressure meds after trying to watch the youtube video provided by Walsh. I couldn't even finish watching it, afraid I would have a stroke. It is exactly why I quit the news.
I still think the MSM will suffer from all this. I think that many of the Obama supporters are not people who were loyal news watchers before. They may tune in for a while, some probably still haven't, but they will soon lose interest and it may take a good while before the Hillary supporters come back. This supporter has found healthier things to do with her time.
Senator O's arrogance and sanctimony, something I've addressed before , was front and center with his San Francisco remarks.
These remarks will be toxic in Oregon. Lots of moderate, hard-working , religious people who don't like being condescended to, people who love the great outdoors for fishing and hunting, people who don't like being referred to by some Obamaniacs as "gun nuts".
Watching a few of you attempt to defend these remarksis very ingteresting.
"A lot of these people who keep a gun at home for safety are the same ones who refuse to wear a seat belt." - George Carlin
Regarding dying towns: When I moved to West Michigan in 1995 , I first worked for a division of Herman Miller. Herman Miller makes office furniture. This area is full of office furniture makers. Herman Miller , Haworth and Steelcase. These companies used to be thriving , however that has changed over the years. While these companies still employ a lot of people here , it's not nearly the same as it was 13 years ago. After 2 months at the furniture place , I switched Prince Corp and began working in the automotive industry. Both the auto industry and furniture industry's declines have greatly affected this area where I live.
Here in USA we tend to be very self centered, most of us know the importance of the up coming election to us but we forget about the effect we have on the rest of the world. In a world of instant global news the world is also interested in our election.
This post by Steve Clemons over at the Washington Note addresses the interest the Arab world has in our election.
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2008/04/ditto_on_james/#more
a quote
"I received questions and comments, not only about the Middle East positions of each of the three remaining candidates, but also about the role of superdelegates, whether delegations from Michigan and Florida would be seated at the Democratic Convention, and whether or not Americans were really ready to elect an African American with a Muslim parent. "
What if you don't have a degree - and you just lost a job you had at a factory you had for years. Do you just look up steel factory in the world wide white pages - pack up your family and leave. Plus - it costs money to move.
ok, I have thought about this , I would go to Las Vegas, every time they start work on a new hotel, they need approximately 20, 000 workers. That is where I would go.
Plus, if you are really poor and hungry, you could eat off the plates in the hallways.
But I will tell ya one thing. I don't know what the bums are doing in NYC over the winter! I would go without smokes and beer for a few weeks (even months) to get a greyhound ticket to Miami or LA.
(And I don't sympathize with the "voluntary homeless." They flock to the East Village when the weather gets good. It seems like they put on their jeans, got on a bus, and decided to come to NYC (because anywhere would be better than where their from).
Some of them look like they came with friends, dogs, guitars (i.e., they took their favorite things from their apt. in their parents' basement - and did not just get laid off....).
(Anyways, sometimes I come home after working till 11:30 pm (or some god-awful hour) and they are loitering around drinking and smoking and having a grand ole time.... So I don't feel too bad for the "voluntary homeless." But real "homeless" people...that is a different story.)
Speaking of tulips...the annual Tulip Festival starts in the first week of May. This year's big musical acts include: Johnny Lang , Ronnie Milsap and Tony Orlando.
""At my poorest point, I had eleven cents."
Think about people, with families to take care of, that don't have that and owe thousands...."
Warren, I love ya, pal....but you are clueless about the real world. Once, when my daughter was in college, and I was working free lance, I had no money for the weekend. NONE. I was due a pretty good check from a big record company. But....well, they just put me on the back burner. So I found a place where I could do a "test survey"of household cleaning products, and my high school age son and I trucked over there. I did the test, got $25 in cash and a bottle of Clorox, and my son and I laughed our butts off in the car, singing "We're in the money!"
We ate that weekend and I got my check on Monday. That's the real world of a divorced/single mother, sonny. And I think Barack Obama looks down on that world. Does he think I owned a gun because I didn't always have enough money? Or that I believe in God because I sometimes had to scrape for a dollar?
And by the way, as I have noted, that son now has a PhD and very good job in DC. He won't forget the day we were laughing about our $25 windfall.
Lots of people who care deeply, which is so important....smart people which is appreciated, and others who want to mess with each other.....I think you are all really great.
I don't know anything - but actually I like the people here - that includes the bad, the ugly and the good.
That is a good story. But not all Americans are like you. A lot of them are lazy. Always waiting for some type of "break" instead of picking themselves up by the bootstraps (or whatever).
Warren, I also worked a demolition job with an all-black crew when the head of the label I worked for quit unexpectedly. A friend of mine owned the company and it was the best money I could get while looking for another job. The guys hated me the first couple of days because they knew I was a friend of the owner. I didn't ask for anybody's help...just toted bags and worked my butt off like the whole crew. That's why French Fry and June Bug became my lifelong friends. Barack Obama would hate French Fry and June Bug. Too black.
You're right , burrito. I was thinking the same thing at work last night. We have a new guy working in our department. Each night , we do stretches before we begin working. One stretch is a stretch where we sorta flex our hands and wrists. Each night as we've done this stretch , I've looked over at the new guy. Each time I looked at him , he was doing his own stretch. Basically stretching his arms in the air one at a time. I think to myself "Is this guy raising the roof?" Last night , he walked into a our stretching circle and he was carrying a half-eaten burrito from Taco Bell in his hand. But , I guess we need people like that to make us laugh. Jamie , I have the Randy Newman version of that song. In his words "Three Dog Night changed it around so the chorus would be more of a hook."
“No, I’m in touch. I know exactly what’s going on. I know what’s going on in Pennsylvania, I know what’s going on in Indiana, I know what’s going on in Illinois,” Mr. Obama said, his voice rising. “People are fed up, they’re angry, they’re frustrated, they’re bitter and they want to see a change in Washington. That’s why I’m running for president of the United States of America.”
"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." -B. Obama
Out of touch? Out of touch? I mean, John McCain -- it took him three tries to finally figure out that the home foreclosure crisis was a problem and to come up with a plan for it, and he's saying I'm out of touch? Senator Clinton voted for a credit card-sponsored bankruptcy bill that made it harder for people to get out of debt after taking money from the financial services companies, and she says I'm out of touch? No, I'm in touch. I know exactly what's going on.. . .
LATimes interview with Bill Richardson on endorsement; he was at one point close to endorsing Hillary. Sounds like calls from Clinton affiliates may have backfired and persuaded Richardson of need for change in DC. Plus he'd grown to know Obama better by then.
I was shocked at Obama's "small town" story. Why? Because he's HONEST and he hit it on the head...he's EXACTLY right.
I worked with many people who voted on what the NRA said. They didn't give a damn what the UAW said, who they endorsed---it was guns, guns, guns.
Obama is dead-right on this story.
Just finished watching a good, thought-provoking, sad movie...Lions for Lambs. I recommend it. Then came online to catch up on the blog...what a fun night of posts!
Warren...Was shocked to hear of your being named for a Three Dog Night song. I was just sure you were named after that famous Tolstoy novel...Warren Pease....
SANTA FE, N.M. -- Before he endorsed Barack Obama, before he drew the wrath of the Clintons and was likened to Judas, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson nearly endorsed Hillary Rodham Clinton for president.
But Richardson hesitated, and as the Democratic campaign turned ugly, he grew angry.
There was that "3 a.m." TV ad, in which Clinton questioned Obama's personal mettle. "That upset me," Richardson said.
I've already read the Richardson article. Not much interesting there for me... though it's worth people getting a sense of what was in his head. Needless to say I disagree with his endorsement but respect his right to choose the candidate he most likes.
I really don't fall for the BS of why Richardson endorsed Obama. I think he, like many others, thinks Obama has the big Mo and thinks it is the cool thing to do and will make him more popular with the masses. It just amazes me how those politicians try to flow with the way they feel the tide is moving.
It is a fad, just a fad. Obama is just the favor of the month. I think he would have been smart to wait his turn, when he has more experience. The media kept warning him that he should strike while the iron is hot so he did. He may just have ruined both his and Clinton's chances because no matter how good he may be in the future, once you lose you just become a loser. I think that is what happened to Edwards.
Regrding the 3:00 AM ad,,,,it was done during the time that Obama had made comments about Hillary's experience being about "tea parties" -- and Michelle had said "if you can't run your own house, how can you run the White House." (translation: if your husband cheats on you, then you are a bad wife & can't be trusted with the country.) I wasn't surprised at the 3:00 AM ad.
Another stupid Chris Matthews moment. This time it was directed against Obama. Chris was shocked, I tell you, shocked that in a diner, when the owner offered Obama coffee, he asked instead for a glass of orange juice. Matthews was HORRIFIED and used it as a reason Obama didn't connect with working class America. Matthews is very strange.
ET, you said something about if Americans used less gas and conserved energy, worldwide oil prices would decline.
Absent the giant Asian petrol sponge, China, you might be right.
I always chuckle when Europeans compare their (outrageously) high petrol prices to ours. I want to grab them and shake them by the shoulders shouting, "It's your country's tax policy, stupid!"
In any case if there is anything that boggles Europeans' minds it is taking a train or bus trip across our country. Suddenly they understand why, with the vast distances we routinely travel, our tax policy doesn't force $10 a gallon petrol.
And, really, why are crude oil prices so high? It's the cartels, stupid! (not you ET, you're thoughtful.)
Flatus, I've been wondering about something and maybe you have some insight to it. I heard a panel on NPR a couple of months ago, talking about the end of big oil as we know it. These guys said that oil will soon all be controlled by countries, not companies. And that the unrest we see is nothing compared to what is coming because of this. I confess, I'm no oil expert.....do you know anything about this?
Mary Matalan was on one of the programs and was asked about Richardson in the context of her husband's remarks.
She was almost as scathing as James was in her criticism of Richardson for having broken the unwritten code of honor amongst politicians. (yeah, I know)
Those two get it. Trust and loyalty are the glue that holds politicians and parties together.
What Richardson did, insisting that Clinton travel to his football-fest-fundraiser, then endorsing a competing candidate, was tawdry.
Flatus, yes the taxes are high, but so is the social security and health care systems in mainland Europe. This is a large part of where that money comes from ! Of course now, industry and individuals are suffering over exaggerated price increases. I always tell Europeans who laugh at U.S. gas prices that they have to remember that 1) American cars are not as gas efficient, and 2) People have lived paycheck to paycheck with a basic understanding of how much money would be needed on a monthly basis for fuel and energy. So even though it's cheaper in the USA, the ramifications of price increases are certainly just as devastating for Americans. Oh, and with the EURO so strong, we have been able to lighten the burden, just a bit, on gasoline prices since they are sold in the international market in U.S. Dollars, though I hear that might change.
As for China... yes the great red bear is the biggest threat. Suffice it to say they have absolutely no "conservation" policy or plans for any. Car growth in China is phenomenal. Number of cars in China to rise seven-fold by 2020
September 3, 2004 http://www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=565&fArticleId=2211763
Patsi, I thought it already was controlled by countries. That said, in the lesser developed oil producing countries the lines between company and state are really blurred.
That was why, back in the 70s, we had those abortive attempts to bust-up OPEC.
I'm sure there's a lot of 'grease' going between policy makers in the different countries to keep the cartels strong.
I would like to see the media do a documentary on sexism in America. It is time to do it and the only person I would trust to do it is Bill Moyers. I do trust him, I think.
I have been a nurse for 36 years and have had many different professional roles as a nurse starting as a RN, then Asst. Prof. of Nursing, Clinical Nurse Specialist, and now Nurse Practitioner.
Working in a female dominated profession it has been interesting to see the good, bad and ugly of having more men enter the profession. One example of the good is that it took more men coming into the profession to improve the salaries for nurses. Women were just too tolerant of being underpaid.
The bad is that many of those men were not as competent and too often lazy, allowing their female counterparts to do their work, but still made more money and were more likely to get the better jobs.
The sexism we see is not just the fault of men, it is more the fault of women. I just don't understand why women are still allowing themselves to be screwed.
Clinton and Obama are both intelligent competent choices for the Democratic nomination. They both have baggage but we just have examined Clinton's baggage longer and more thoroughly. Obama's baggage is just starting to arrive at the station.
Clinton has the better experience at this time and she has sincerely dedicated more of her life for this cause. She deserves this nomination.
When I lived in DC, the Metro made it truly simple to do without a car. On the west coast though mass transit is improving (almost back to 1950s standards now), it is impossible to do without a car or even cut back much.
Perhaps Obama should just stop...similar to WJC opening his mouth about Bosnia again yesterday...the more you scratch a sore...the worse it's going to get.
"Note the difference between what Obama said in an unguarded moment in San Francisco, and the cleaned-up version he tried to sell tonight.
San Francisco:
So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
Indiana:
So people end up voting on issues like guns and are they going to have the right to bear arms. They vote on issues like gay marriage. They take refuge in their faith and their community, and their family, and the things they can count on."
OK...remember when the Obama campaign took the boneheaded misstatement that Hillary said about Mississippi and made radio ads out of it and played it all over MS?
Is it now fair for Hillary to take the audio of this and make a radio ad out of it and play it all over PA and IN?
Obama was trying to explain his upcoming loss in Pennsylvania to his San Francisco donors: those pesky Pennsylvanians are just a bunch of down scale, ignorant, gun totin', religious nut racists. They're "not like us."
Good luck Jamie...keep up the good fight. See if in light of the Obama blunder you can convince a few delegates to cross over, see the light and join Hillary's team.
Well Well Well,
The truth finally comes out now we are seeing the real Obama I feel somewhat vindicated but I'm sure as the sun rises in the east that Obama supporters will try to spin his latest dare I say mildly racist controversial comment stumping in PA yesterday.
Looks like all those years in Pastor Wright's sermons has had an affect on his feelings toward the hmmmmm what was the term he used????? Oh yes the "typical white person"
There is a common thread here if all get woven together you have to controversial comments from Michelle his wife, the bashing of America in general and whites in particular.
As of this typing its getting little media play and a slight tap on the wrist but Oh Boy! had Hillary said that it would have been the end of the free world as we know it!
"I was shocked at Obama's "small town" story. Why? Because he's HONEST and he hit it on the head...he's EXACTLY right.
I worked with many people who voted on what the NRA said. They didn't give a damn what the UAW said, who they endorsed---it was guns, guns, guns.
Obama is dead-right on this story.
Posted by: Dexter | April 12, 2008 2:34 AM"
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What happened to Craig's theory that truth is its own defense?
While you Obama detractors are slinging words like "elitist" and "out ot touch", maybe Obama understands these voters better than you give him credit for. Think how many voters he met throughout Illinois while campaigning for Senate, back when he was an unknown quantity, and listening intently to their concerns. A lot of Illinois is not that different from Pennsylvania.
Obama is a great listener.
If he expands on these remarks, maybe Pennsylvania voters will glean the empathy behind his observation, and not just see the slam you detractors are so quick to jump on to.
Don't forget, you have underestimated him at every turn, and the media is the kids on the bus on this one -- they have missed more than they have reported.
There's a hunger out there for authenticism.
RE Wendy!'s comment on not closing the deal -- truth to that. Hillary will be very hard to win against since she brings her core of hardcore supporters, and people often fear "the new."
Will be very interesting to see how this plays out.
"maybe Obama understands these voters better than you give him credit for. "
You mean Pennsylvanians ARE just a bunch of ignorant rednecks?
(Just kidding, dog)
Here's the problem -- as I said yesterday, I was quick to bitch about the NRA anti-Gore contingent in TN during the 2000 election. I called Bush voters a bunch of crackers. But I'm not running for anything. People do tend to cling to things like religion and love for the gun culture. But this is red meat for the general. Especially the implied slam at religion.
Having said that -- I do think Obama is "elitist" although I hate that word. Reminds me too much of Spiro.
I agree that truth is its own defense, and as soon as I read that in your post, I thought about President Clinton saying that Jesse Jackson had been victorious in South Carolina.
That was an historical fact that became spun into racism, probably by Obama supporters with the help of the media. Senator Obama's statement is more opinion than fact, but there are certainly voters, as Dexter indicated, who easily prove the Senator's point.
The risk in making the statement is the likelihood that it might convince more undecided voters to oppose him than to vote for him. My guess is the statement had no effect on his or Hillary's supporters. It also had no effect on the people he's talking about.
“It's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
Obama's words speak to what Obama believes - not to the people he is stereotyping.
Maybe these proud people aren't so impressed with a rich arrogant Harvard lawyer politician -type telling them how they feel....and how they "bitterly cling" to their faith and weapons as a crutch.
Gray and cloudy here - have a great day everyone. I am going to the range for some target practice after church.
Craig, thanks for this little bit if whimsy. You garden analogy was quite revealing. Can we look forward to seeing your garden in full bloom this summer? Especially the "Hillary" plant. tx
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Good Morning Craig, Everyone
Dear Toast I want to thank you for your kind words and encouragement, I deeply appreciate them
LOL Craig when you're done you can prune my beautiful roses so cute you are in your ball cap:-))
Sincerely,
Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 11, 2008 6:06 AM
Oh Criag, lolol
I loved it and you've made my month! I haven't laughed like that in a month!
Thank you for lightening up this morose place. Hopefully the end of the Primary will liven the place up and press people's happy buttons too.
Have a great day Ya'll!
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 11, 2008 6:10 AM
I love it so much, I had to watch multiple times...
hhahaahah
Posted by: Jason | April 11, 2008 7:01 AM
Jamie.....3 boys inherited their father's hog farm....they named it "Focus" because it's where the sons raise meat........
Posted by: sturgeone | April 11, 2008 7:02 AM
Craig, why don't you come down here and help Stinky with the yard while l work on one of the trucks? We'll even feed you dinner and get out some of the best wine. And, then, before you leave in the morning, I'll hold the ladder while you clean the gutters.
Oh, your video--you did GOOD!
Posted by: Flatus
| April 11, 2008 7:10 AM
I don't understand why KO thought the Elton John remark was that big of a deal. Why was he discussing Elton John anyway? No new Britney Spears incidents? Of course , I never understood all the uproar about what Natalie Maines said either. In other news , police have finally arrested the marine who was suspected of killing the pregnant marine a few months ago.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080411/ap_on_re_us/missing_marine
Posted by: Corey
| April 11, 2008 7:29 AM
Corey, because it was a sold-out Clinton fundraiser. That really grated on KO.
p.s. Good catch on that scumbag marine!
Posted by: Flatus
| April 11, 2008 7:33 AM
Good Krugman article in totay's NY Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/11/opinion/11krugman.html?ref=opinion
Posted by: Patsi
| April 11, 2008 7:33 AM
KO should stick with sports. That's what he does best.
Posted by: Corey
| April 11, 2008 7:34 AM
Craig...... ROFL!
I woke up to having 3 big beautiful wild turkeys in my front yard.....
I too thought of the "political theme"..... and was going to name them Hillary, Barack, and John..... but turkeys in their natural state are not only beautiful... they're also elegant......
they deserved much more dignified names......
I called them Larry, Curly, and Moe.....
Posted by: RebelliousRenee
| April 11, 2008 7:36 AM
why's buchanan talking about Aaron Neville strikes against Iran?
Posted by: sturgeone | April 11, 2008 7:36 AM
"Thank you for lightening up this morose place. Hopefully the end of the Primary will liven the place up and press people's happy buttons too. "
Actually, I thought things were pretty positive until I read this. What a depressing way to start the day.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 11, 2008 7:37 AM
I live in the southeast, where 2007 saw the worst drought conditions in a century. Everything was dead and dried out. That's the best analogy I can think of to how us Dems have felt living through 8 years of Bush and co.
Posted by: Mary Kitt-Neel
| April 11, 2008 7:37 AM
I'm just happy that Craig didn't hurt himself during the filming of this video. LOL!
Posted by: Corey
| April 11, 2008 7:38 AM
Craig - That was wonderfully insightful & funny. My laughter took the edge off of my worry at the sight of you wielding those hedge clippers. Make sure you put the safety back on. It's getting awfully close to the WH correspondents dinner & I get a little nervous for you this time of year. How is that shoulder anyway?
Did you guys see the 3 candidates bits on "American Idol Gives Back"? In order of appearance: Hil'ry did the best of the three.
Then came McCain, the GOP sorbet between the Dem candidates, who bookended his bit with awful humor. His only purpose, as I could tell, was to make the person who went before him seem even stronger & to make the person who followed him, Obama, seem good in comparison.
On its own, Obama's appearance was pretty lackluster.
I guess McCain needed a laughtrack & Obama needed a live audience. Hil'ry was fine "as is."
Posted by: blueINdallas | April 11, 2008 7:51 AM
McCain's laugh track:
My Friends:
(ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha)
We have to win this war
(ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha)
Democrat surrender monkeys
(ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha)
and now.....here's Lindsay Graham:
( ha ha ha ha scream ha ha ha snort ha ha ha)
Posted by: sturgeone | April 11, 2008 7:56 AM
This is hot today:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/?hpid=topnews
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 11, 2008 8:00 AM
Bloggers the real problem in the garden of politics? I suggest several talking heads need prunning, though you're not on my list Craig.
Yeah, Pays I agree
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 11, 2008 8:01 AM
Bloggers the real problem in the garden of politics? I suggest several talking heads need prunning, though you're not on my list Craig.
Yeah, Pats I agree,,,oopps
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 11, 2008 8:02 AM
Craig:
ROFL. Love today's VLog. LIke Being There...this one just might be an instant classic.
;-)
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 11, 2008 8:06 AM
oh.... and Craig....
you know that you and I share the fact that "Being There" is our favorite movie....
I've said it before...... but it needs to be said again.....
Peter Sellers is a god!.....
Blue..... yes... McCain's attempt at humor on AI was awful.....
I agree.... Hillary was best....
stutg.... LOL!...... snort, snort......
Posted by: RebelliousRenee
| April 11, 2008 8:12 AM
Now I know what's bugging Obama supporters
http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Politics/?id=1.0.2060269060
Now that must explain it
Hey Wendy, what's shakin?
Left you some thoughts on Indies last night.....
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 11, 2008 8:21 AM
Patsi...thanks for the link...that was a good article...I particularly thought this was something we here know a lot about.
"It was particularly sad to see a number of Obama supporters (though not the Obama campaign itself) join enthusiastically in the catcalls against Mrs. Clinton’s good-faith effort to put a human face on the cruelty and injustice of the American health care system."
The last paragraph was also very good and I think many made a similar argument when the essence of the story was in question. It's about Universal Health Care for all so that things like this don't happen.
Does anyone think, as I do, that Elizabeth Edwards is out and about doing an endorsement/non-endorsement of Hillary Clinton.
Her language seems very endorsement like...w/o making a real endorsement. Hillary has a better health care plan. Hillary should take it to the convention. This is good for the party. She think Hillary and O' should be on the same ticket. Aren't these all Clinton campaign surrogate talking points?
I have 2 theories. 1) She's endorsing Hillary indirectly or 2) she's building the case for why they will endorse Hillary when the time comes so it's not such a shocker since everyone assumed the Edwards' would be more inclined to endorse Obama.
Any other theories out there?
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 11, 2008 8:23 AM
Hey Max...I read them before I went to bed. The 2 kinds of Indies?
Yes...I think you may have a point there about the 2 kinds of Indies. I think I'm going Indie after all this is over no matter what happens. Dem party is crazy. Of course...it remains to be seen which kind of Indie I'll be.
I thought Barr made a good point about running as a Libertarian on HC last night. He knows he's not going to win and even when Hannity screamed at him about it....he said it's about opening it up to more choices and getting rid of the two party system. I'm all for that. It might seem like this is some far off possibility but with the way one can get their message out over the Internet and raise money...it might not be that far fetched.
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 11, 2008 8:30 AM
heather
check out this small article by joan walsh at salon and watch the video......really hits home
http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/
Posted by: tz | April 11, 2008 8:37 AM
actually everyone should see this video
Posted by: tz | April 11, 2008 8:39 AM
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/stormy-weather.html
ABC fails to point out some added details of the Ayer/Obama story such as the fund raiser Ayers had for Obama or their serving together on the board at Woods Fund. And after Ayers comments to the NYT one would think Obama would be careful about this "good friendship". Do I sense some arrogance when dealing with the litany of associations?
YES WE DO
That was for you Wendy.....off to work
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 11, 2008 8:39 AM
Yeah, I saw that too. Hannity need prunning too, but I thought Barr had a point. I suspect Obama might pick Bloomie to try and win back some Indies. Now remember to put you veil on........
Later
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 11, 2008 8:43 AM
Craig as Chance the Gardener. That was THE BEST, especially the last lines when the weed killer came out.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 11, 2008 8:49 AM
One person who can't walk on water -
Bush lowest rating of Presidency. Gallup down to 28%
http://www.gallup.com/
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 8:49 AM
According to the principles of sustainable landscaping, “weeds” are actually hardy native species that ought to be occupying those niches. “Gardeners" introduce fragile, non-native purely decorative plants, and maintain them with synthetic fertilizers, herbicides, and pesticides. This totally disrupts the indigenous ecosystem.
Craig's garden is a metaphor for the U.S. in Iraq.
Posted by: nash
| April 11, 2008 8:53 AM
Krugman is angry because he knows he will NEVER get a job in the Obama administration.
Get back to your desk and grade those term papers, Paul.
Posted by: nash
| April 11, 2008 8:55 AM
"The more you prune away the dead...the more life ya find..."
--Craig
uh huh...ain't that the truth??
*******************************
So...this will be HRC, in late summer...
http://www.valentine.gr/plumbago_en.htm
beautiful!! 8~)
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| April 11, 2008 8:57 AM
Craig, what a wonderful metafora as they say in Italian. Do more of those because they get your points across about each candidate very effectively, in my opinion. It is so true that a picture is worth a thousand words!
Posted by: Clemmieo | April 11, 2008 9:04 AM
"I'd urge people who are minimizing the sexism Clinton faces, or who are trying to argue that racism against Obama has been just as public and disabling, to make a YouTube video that's comparable to this, and that features media stars -- not Clinton surrogates, not Obama critics, but guys paid by major news networks -- using comparable slurs against Obama. Maybe it's possible. I doubt it, but maybe. If anyone succeeds, I promise I'll post it here!"
Yes...how true...go for it...the clips don't exist.
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 11, 2008 9:17 AM
mornin' all.
Once again - I'll have to watch the vid tonight. From your comments, it sounds like Peter Sellers would be proud of Craig. See, I've come up with another approach to pruning - at least pruning tulips - plant the bulbs and the deer will eat the foliage.
Wendy!, Barr is pissing Hannity off because he could be the fly in the Georgia ointment - and warren - this could actually be what makes your prediction about Georgia being in play have some merit - without Barr in the race, not so much.
And yes, Wendy!, Elizabeth Edwards is definitely either suggesting or foreshadowing an endorsement - question is whether it is only hers or hers and John's. They are smart enough to at this point wait until the fat lady is warming up her vocal chords to formally endorse either candidate, if they do so at all.
Posted by: pogo
| April 11, 2008 9:21 AM
wendy
this clip does
http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/
Posted by: tz | April 11, 2008 9:22 AM
TZ: I mean the Obama clips. Lord knows the Hillary clips exist. i've seen that Mad as Hell video...seems like it's starting to go viral. Tapper linked to it from his blog as well.
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 11, 2008 9:25 AM
wendy
sorry i misinterpeted your post
Posted by: tz | April 11, 2008 9:28 AM
In case you didn't catch it earlier, this Erica Jong article is really worth reading
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/erica-jong/misogyny-momism-and-milit_b_96062.html
It won't see the light of day since it doesn't bow and scrape before the shrine that is Olbermann, but I had fun blasting him for the Elton John Bronze last night.
All comments go here:
http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 9:32 AM
Craig,
Blue reminded me that the dinner is almost upon us. First the collar bone and then the ankle. You are somewhat accident prone and don't have too many undamaged appendages left. Should we have an ambulance escort you too and from the event?
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 9:40 AM
Allies of Palestinians see a friend in Barack Obama
"CHICAGO -- It was a celebration of Palestinian culture -- a night of music, dancing and a dash of politics. Local Arab Americans were bidding farewell to Rashid Khalidi, an internationally known scholar, critic of Israel and advocate for Palestinian rights, who was leaving town for a job in New York.
A special tribute came from Khalidi's friend and frequent dinner companion, the young state Sen. Barack Obama. Speaking to the crowd, Obama reminisced about meals prepared by Khalidi's wife, Mona, and conversations that had challenged his thinking.
...I'm hoping that, for many years to come, we continue that conversation -- a conversation that is necessary not just around Mona and Rashid's dinner table," but around "this entire world."
...the warm embrace Obama gave to Khalidi, and words like those at the professor's going-away party, have left some Palestinian American leaders believing that Obama is more receptive to their viewpoint than he is willing to say.
Their belief is not drawn from Obama's speeches or campaign literature, but from comments that some say Obama made in private and from his association with the Palestinian American community in his hometown of Chicago, including his presence at events where anger at Israeli and U.S. Middle East policy was freely expressed."
http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-obamamideast10apr10,0,1488910.story?page=1&track=ntothtml
Posted by: GORDO | April 11, 2008 9:41 AM
Clinton's latest spin is that people who oppose her are just "sexist." Why else would any Democrat oppose her?
How about her six years on Wal-Mart's board of directors?
*****
It was during those six years that Clinton served with the notoriously anti-union Rose Law firm in Little Rock, defending Wal-Mart against workers who tried to unionize. It was also during those six years that Clinton served with fellow board member John Tate, whose favorite saying was: "Labor unions are nothing but blood-sucking parasites living off the productive labor of people who work for a living."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zp-heller/wal-mart-for-president_b_96160.html
Posted by: nash
| April 11, 2008 9:51 AM
I see that no one is concerned about the War Crimes committed by this current administration and have not let there representatives know that they need to take appropriate steps to start the process of holding them responsible through impeachment hearings.
"In dozens of top-secret talks and meetings in the White House, the most senior Bush administration officials discussed and approved specific details of how high-value al Qaeda suspects would be interrogated by the Central Intelligence Agency, sources tell ABC News."
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/LawPolitics/story?id=4583256&page=1
Also when will the International Community step up to the plate and uphold their obligations under International Law and the Geneva Conventions.
None of them should be allowed to set foot in any Country that are signatories to the Conventions without being arrested and tried for their War Crimes.
But then over half the country think Torture is okay and see no problem with us being a Country that Commits Acts of Torture and other War Crimes.
Maybe after all the Reverend Wright is correct and God has Damned America.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| April 11, 2008 9:56 AM
well our long national nightmare is over and i've ended my boycott of my own blog. just read yesterday's thread and much appreciate the improved decorum. thanks to do those who made an effort (btw, MaxTrue, i was NOT asking anyone to leave other than myself).
i realize that debating the finer points of the Monroe Doctrine is not sexy or anything, but i enjoyed reading all of your thoughts
and yes, blue and jamie, the big dinner is coming april 26. maybe i'll wear my various orhopod equipment (arm sling and ankle boot) for better protection
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| April 11, 2008 10:00 AM
Michelle Obama and her link to Wal-Mart
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2007/05/23/michelle-obama-cuts-a-wal-mart-link/
gee..... politicians and their links to big business........ who'd a thunk it.... :)
Posted by: RebelliousRenee
| April 11, 2008 10:00 AM
oh and thanks for your comments on the video (told you i was off to do yard work yesterday). again, it sure helps to have a creative producer -- thanks Andrew!
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| April 11, 2008 10:01 AM
Hillary the Wal-Mart feminist?
Wal-Mart is notorious for denying promotions to women, and paying women lower salaries than men doing the same job. (After all, men have to support a family.)
Wal-Mart's clothing comes from Asian sweat shops were teenaged girls work 16 hour days, for about $2.00 a day. Sexual abuse by male supervisors is common.
Wal-mart is also notoriously racist, denying promotions to minorities, but I don't suppose that the "feminists for Hillary" care about that either.
Posted by: nash
| April 11, 2008 10:03 AM
Sen. Obama sees no hypocrisy in his wife's post at a firm that does business with Wal-Mart
"Barack Obama made national headlines last month when he loudly enlisted in the campaign to get Wal-Mart Stores Inc. to treat its workers better.
Which raises a question — not about corporate values but about Mr. Obama's values. Specifically, while Mr. Obama bashes Wal-Mart, why does his wife, Michelle, make $45,000 a year serving on the board of a Chicago-area company that pays its executives a very hefty amount of money while laying off mostly minority workers in an economically deprived area, a company whose No. 1 customer is — you guessed it — Wal-Mart? "
http://www.wherethemoneygoes.com/off_message.htm
Posted by: GORDO | April 11, 2008 10:04 AM
When I criticize Hillary's support of Wal-Mart's mistreatment of women, I am merely revealing what a sexist pig I am.
Apparently, it is sexist to criticize a female politician's actions or policies, because, if she is female, she must be a feminist.
Thus, by inductive logic we may conclude that the exploitation of women is a core feminist principle.
Posted by: nash
| April 11, 2008 10:09 AM
This NYTimes article gives the good, bad, and ugly on the Clinton relationship with Wal-Mart. As with everything, it isn't black and white
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/us/politics/20walmart.html
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 10:20 AM
Plumbago's other name is leadwort.
Also skyflower. Take your pick!
http://www.floridata.com/ref/P/plumbago.cfm
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 11, 2008 10:21 AM
Renee: Obama's wife serving on the board of a company that sells products to Wal-Mart is not even close to being the same as serving on the board of Wal-Mart.
In any case, you are ducking the issue. If Hillary is such a feminist icon, why did she serve for six years on Wal-Mart's board? During those six years hundreds of thousands of female Wal-Mart employees were discriminated against. It wasn't an accicident; it was corporate policy. That's what the board does; it sets policy.
Posted by: nash
| April 11, 2008 10:21 AM
No Nash. It isn't the criticism. It is the constant drum beat of Hillary, bad bad bad; Barack good good good.
No politician is all good or all bad. You can't get to where they are in the political pecking order without a whole lot of things to view with alarm and point with pride. The Clinton supporters just get more than a little tired to the Golden Man or Hope, Change, and Vision who has just as many faults and questionable associations as the past middle aged angry bitch running against him.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 10:25 AM
Dog, thanks for the Plumbago link -- now i know why mine is having so much trouble, it's a subtropical plant not well suited for my planting zone
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| April 11, 2008 10:27 AM
Hey there Nash. Good to see you posting. TGIF.
Off to purchase my own Black & Decker Alligator Loppers for some serious pruning of dog's garden. And it is a stretch to apply "garden" to this situation! Woodland detritus, maybe.
From Wal-Mart. (Horrors, I know. But they're nearest purveyor; Home Depot no longer carries the lopper and I will not settle for less. If it's a chain saw relative, I want a known manufacturer.)
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 11, 2008 10:27 AM
Jamie: That NYT piece on Hillary & Wal-Mart alleges that she tried to be a progressive force on Wal-Mart's board. How do they know that? Because that's what Hillary and her friends say. (And they wouldn't lie.)
Nice spin, but the fact is that Wal-Mart was, and still is, the most notorious racist,sexist, and virulently anti-union corporation in the USA.
Clinton had NO, repeat, NO impact on their policies, but she was well-paid for her board membership.
Posted by: nash
| April 11, 2008 10:31 AM
Craig: I was hoping you might be having better luck with Plumbago, cities often being warmer with reflected heat off brick and sidewalks! It's a beautiful plant; was thinking you tried it to remind you of your boyhood home.
I shall be happy if I don't kill a hydrangea this year. (Planting the damn thing instead of forgetting it in its little pot might help there.) Have been coveting big fluffy hydrangea flowers for 2 years now.
Used to want to sneak about at night in Richmond with scissors and rustle a few from my neighbors' long established plants.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 11, 2008 10:33 AM
Being a gardener myself, that was so funny. It was laugh out loud funny, and your choices for the candidates were dead on.
We are blogweed, and just like a weed we can get ugly, we rarely give up, and sometimes you think we are gone and then
"poof" the blogweed reappears!
But -we also need to remember that one man's weed is another man's plant.
Really funny, thanks, happy Friday!
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 11, 2008 10:36 AM
Yes Nash we know. She couldn't have possibly tried to make any changes in their policies. After all she is that Witch of the Western World named Hillary Clinton.
That testimony did not come from Hillary. It came from the people who worked with her on The Children's Defense Fund. The article mentions that she wasn't as effective as she hoped to be, and yes it does mention her salary. But go ahead, only point out the negatives. We wouldn't want to risk any Obama supporter actually admitting that just maybe she had accomplished anything worth doing in her 60+ years of existence.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 10:37 AM
Jamie is growing hyperbole in her garden this morning. (Hint: one's reservations about Hillary Clinton are not all explained away by misogyny. Any more than any about Obama are entirely products of racism.)
Burrito: charming post.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 11, 2008 10:45 AM
yep, Dog, i am not giving up on my Plumbago. It had a great season last year.
thanks, Burrito, we're all just weeds in the yard of life
and how about those tulips, folks? don't they look great
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| April 11, 2008 10:47 AM
How funny...instead of dueling banjos...we have dueling Wal-Mart stories.
In honor of that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esl2NNOtHQE
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 11, 2008 10:52 AM
"yep, Dog, i am not giving up on my Plumbago."
Craig...me either!!!
;-)
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 11, 2008 10:53 AM
Nash..... you old goatman.... you..... lol.....
nope..... you can't get my goat either......
getting ready to go out to my favorite Italian restaurant with girlfriends.....
I'll be drinking a glass of old Vine Zin in honor of KCG....
everyone take care and try to play nice this weekend.....
Posted by: RebelliousRenee
| April 11, 2008 10:55 AM
But the worst of all... BLOGGERS ! I was sure Craig was going to say something like that !!! How funny ! :-)
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 11, 2008 10:57 AM
I'd be one of the last to endorse any sexist practices at WalMart - and I do not support their approach to purchasing or their control of their supply chain vendors. But one thing I can tell you from personal experience is that working for a client of your law firm is something you do or you get thehell out. I don't tar Michelle Obama for her ties (albeit less direct than Hillary's) to WM any more than I tar Hillary for hers. Both of them have severed those ties - in Hillary's case that occurred 16 years ago, about the time Sam Walton - who is probably alternately cheering and rolling over in his grave over WalMart's current growth, sexist reputation and pipeline to China. Michelle severed her ties to TreeHouse Foods last year.
The NYT did an article on Hillary's WalMart years last May. It's linked below.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/us/politics/20walmart.html?ei=5090&en=fafaac090e276942&ex=1337313600&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print
I believe a fair reading of the Times article is that while on Walmart's board, Hillary picked the areas she thought she could improve (specifically women in management and environmentally sensitive issues), moved the company some in those areas, but not as much as she would have liked, and left alone those areas that she felt she could not change but that the effort to do so would lessen whatever power the youngest and only female board member of the corporation had to effect some change in the company. And while Walmart was certainly not the best of corporate citizens while Hillary was on the board and the problems that would come to light later were undoubtedly occuring while she was on the board, it bears noting that Walmart's most rapid period of growth and the exposes of the problems with Walmart's Asia connection occurred in the mid 90s to early 2000s, after Sam Walton died and after Hillary was off the board.
Posted by: pogo
| April 11, 2008 10:58 AM
jamie - it's that great minds thing again. :-)
Posted by: pogo
| April 11, 2008 11:00 AM
Hopefully the end of the Primary will liven the place up and press people's happy buttons too.
Have a great day Ya'll!
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun | April 11, 2008 6:10 AM
Sheila do you think that will really happen? I wasn't here before the whole primary season began, but I've read it was a nicer place then. But... will people who have gone back and forth at each other really see the possibilities of being friends again? I know that politicians often put aside differences for their own common good, i.e., John F. Kennedy choosing Lyndon Johnson as his running mate. But the rest of the political junkies like us? I don't know...
I thought Craig was really clever today... and I loved the weeds analogy, though I'd say the worst of all would be the money grubbing, greedy, political advisors and handlers.
Cheers,
Tom
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 11, 2008 11:01 AM
{{{ All Clinton Supporters }}}
If you could not be at the Protest Campaign against Media bias and in support of Hillary and The Michigan and Florida voters, you are asked to please write to
msnbc - letters or Hardball
evening at cbs
Jack Cafferty on CNN
Democratic National convention
The correct addresses are on Taylor Marsh. I cannot put them on here, due to rules.
Please Write, Thank You
Julie
Posted by: Julie-Young73 | April 11, 2008 11:02 AM
My winter gardening project has been a staghorn fern. Very interesting and requiring much nurturing. It is thriving!
Posted by: Flatus
| April 11, 2008 11:03 AM
oh.... and Craig....
you know that you and I share the fact that "Being There" is our favorite movie....
I've said it before...... but it needs to be said again.....
Peter Sellers is a god!.....
Posted by: RebelliousRenee | April 11, 2008 8:12 AM
"I like to watch EVE"....
heheheh, I will never forget Shirley McClaine in that scene... even if I found it all a bit bewildering!
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 11, 2008 11:05 AM
" I cannot put them on here, due to rules. -- Posted by: Julie-Young73"
Rules? We have rules? Do you mean the link limit? If so, anyone can post two links per comment (our spam filter holds comments with 3 or more, an unfortunate necessity to keep the porn merchants away)
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| April 11, 2008 11:06 AM
interesting report for those counting the popular vote.
Don't Be Fooled: Obama Is Actually Leading Hillary By 1-2 Million Votes
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shawn-christensen/dont-be-fooled-obama-is-a_b_96118.html
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 11, 2008 11:06 AM
all of this plant talk has me thinking it would be fun to make a video of yours sometime. send me your favorite plant photo (preferably with you in it) and we'll slap together a nice little montage, our own salute to spring
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| April 11, 2008 11:09 AM
email for your plant photos (take your time, this won't be a rush job): cqtrailmix@verizon.net
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| April 11, 2008 11:10 AM
Maybe after all the Reverend Wright is correct and God has Damned America.
Posted by: anon-paranoid | April 11, 2008 9:56 AM
Anon, he did say that God HAS damned America. He said "I SAY GAHHHD DAMMMMMMM America!". In other words, he was doing the 'damning' or you could perhaps interpret it to mean that he was calling ON God to "damn" America.
Either way, it's a pretty negative judgment call. I do think if Wright would have said something like "if we do not address what we've done around that world, then we live in a tenuous situation where our God could end up DAMNing America..." That would have gotten the point across without him calling on God to do it...
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 11, 2008 11:13 AM
Julie
While posting links to Taylor Marsh will get you confused with Gordo, I don't see any problem with posting public addresses to news organizations.
Private or personal information would be another story, IMNSHO(in my not so humble opinion)
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 11, 2008 11:15 AM
All this talk of plants & gardens, we are just having the last of the snow melting off of the shaded areas. I hadn't seen my lawn in months.
Posted by: Bowmanc
| April 11, 2008 11:19 AM
Rules? We have rules? Do you mean the link limit? If so, anyone can post two links per comment (our spam filter holds comments with 3 or more, an unfortunate necessity to keep the porn merchants away)
Posted by: Craig Crawford | April 11, 2008 11:06 AM
http://www.hotlezziemommas.com
http://www.maketipuur.com
just to name a couple possible porn merchants...
I remember that whitehouse dot com was a porn site, much to the chagrin of the official white house government site.
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 11, 2008 11:20 AM
Good article
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/04/obama_wins_petraeus_primary_fo.html
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 11:24 AM
ET - I'm just one person who has been here for a long while and my perspective is only my own, but I can say without reservation that the past 3 or so months have been unlike anything that has ever occured here. The norm before was Dems or Libs versus Reps or Conservatives (who were much fewer in number than the lib/dems), issues were discused pretty regularly as they arose in the media or as a result of Craig's posts, and the rancor was WAAAAYYYY less than what you see here now day in and day out. I suspect that when the nomination fight is done and there is a broader unifying theme at play in the form of inter reather than intra party argument, things will settle down again, and all the world - or at least our little corner of it - will return to a state of sweetness and light.
Posted by: pogo
| April 11, 2008 11:26 AM
Bowman - feel free to come look at my lawn - it's beginning to grow so fast I can hear it, and the noise keeps me up at night.
Posted by: pogo
| April 11, 2008 11:30 AM
Craig, excellent analogy, especially that very last part. LMAO!
BTW, nice tulips.
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| April 11, 2008 11:38 AM
McCain can run for President:
http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/obama-clinton-co-sponsor-measure-saying-mccain-can-run-2008-04-10.html
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 11:41 AM
Bush is moving to Dallas. *gag*
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| April 11, 2008 11:43 AM
Craig, good to see you back. Once again, thank you for letting me use your bandwidth to vet my frustrations. I suggest everyone read Willianm Swann's new book about the marginalized Centerfield
.http://www.centristcoalition.com/blog/archives/004210.html
I am sure if you drop in and post to William directly, Craig, he would be happy to send you a book for free.
I see Gordo had a Khalidi watch post and before it gets blasted, let me add that Rashid is very vocal about his support of Hamas. He worked with the PLO when they were conducting terror operations. I posted weeks ago the pro-Hamas article that appeared in the Trinity newsletter. Now we all know about Zbig and Carter's inclination for Obama. We also know that AAAN, Khalidi's group that Obama funded at Woods Fund, collaborates with CAIRS, another pro-Hamas group. So how disingenuous is it that after FOX blasted the newsletter and pointed to Carter's trip to Syria to talk to the terrorist leader of Hamas, that Obama suddenly declares he will not talk to Hamas until they renounce violence and accept the existence of Israel? Of course he has made no such flip-flop over Ahmadinejad who does not renounce such violence. Hillary does not have this problem. She is quite conistent on her position toward terror, Israel and the need for the US to keep pressure on Iran and even create no-fly zones to thwart the air craft China sells to the Sudan.
Again the Wal-Mart bashing of Hillary by Obama reflects such hypocrisy as RR points out. Michele sat on the board of a major food supplier to Wal-Mart for years making thousands of dollars and then left giving a rather lame excuse. To independents, I suspect, this hypocritical behavior reflects on the character and consistency of Barak Obama. While I doubt this has any impact on Obama supporters, as Wendy points out, this might not play so well in the general.......
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 11, 2008 11:44 AM
Here's my garden: http://www.keukenhof.nl/nm/english.html
Or should I say, one of the most beautiful gardens I've ever visited?
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 11, 2008 11:44 AM
Craig,
Sorry, I did not mean to sound critical. Just that there were 5 addresses to post..
There was a protest in NYC this morning to protest the media bias of Hillary and disenfranchised Michigan and Florida voters. I know that you must be neutral Craig and fair to all three presidential runners. But I am sorry that you did not promote this more. Realize it is hard to appease us all, hee hee. As if you could.
Seriously, you all please , all Hillary supporters write.
Love your blog Craig, you're the best..
we weeds do need to be closely watched over.
Julie
Posted by: Julie-Young73 | April 11, 2008 11:45 AM
I suggest everyone read William Swann's new book about the marginalized Centerfield
http://www.centristcoalition.com/blog/archives/004210.html
Now that's right
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 11, 2008 11:47 AM
How did the protest go?
(I decided not to go disrupt it...)
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 11:47 AM
ET...
Sharing my perspective...pogo's right. The current tone of the blog is far different than it was a short year ago. I found the blog during the Imus debacle and, while there was disagreement amongst us as to whether Imus was good or bad, it didn't result in badly hurt feelings or enmity deep enough that it may end some once very good cyber-friendships...as I think has already occurred during this political season.
As one whose intent is to vote for the Democrat nominee in November, I'm shocked and saddened to see how some here demonize one or the other of the Dem candidates. Seems unproductive to me.
I'm also saddened that it's so easy for the media to divert our attention from what's important. We spend so much time on the topic d'jour. Meanwhile, our country is being taken from us, bit by bit. Focus, please...
Supreme Court!
Constitution!
Feel free to add to the list of what we need to focus on....
Posted by: harborwoman
| April 11, 2008 11:47 AM
Shawn Christensen clearly failed math...which is why he's now writing blogs.
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 11, 2008 11:51 AM
hw, you are a gem, and a study in succinctness.
"Focus, please...
Supreme Court!
Constitution!"
There's something else worth focusing on?
Posted by: pogo
| April 11, 2008 11:54 AM
How the Clintons got elected and then got rich: part II. (Exploiting war refugees and union-busting.)
Here's how Bill Clinton helped thousands of Bosnian refugees come to the USA to work for Tyson corp, another notorious anti-union company. (Tyson was Bill's first big-business political contributor when he ran for governor.)
http://www.organicconsumers.org/irrad/tysontakeover.cfm
Posted by: nash
| April 11, 2008 11:54 AM
Craig...
Today's video is wonderful...and the metaphor painfully accurate!
I love playing in the dirt. Have a big back yard that is always a work of art in progress. Aren't they all!?! But I'd never heard of a plumbago before. Don't think it would grown happily in WA state, either, but it's beautiful. Did you see the picture Linda posted of a plumbago in full flower? Gorgeous!
And, dog...I choose skyflower. Love that name for the plumbago (which sounds a bit like a painful medical condition)....
Posted by: harborwoman
| April 11, 2008 11:55 AM
I agree - cept I would add Iraq.
Remember - a major S. Ct. decision often has an impact that lasts well beyond 4 years.
(Another Pres from the GOP would tip the scales way over to the right....)
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 11:56 AM
of course Pogo...
Iraq War
Unilateralism
Allies
Economy
Health Care
:-)
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 11, 2008 11:57 AM
Pogo!
A gem? Thank you! What a kind thing to say! We will clearly still be friends when this political season is over!
Posted by: harborwoman
| April 11, 2008 11:58 AM
Okay Nash, you take Rezko and Auchi and I'll take Tyson. Two indicted criminals v a guy who looks like the product he sells. And Rez can trade me two run down churches for slumlord housing. Yep, I can live with that score card.
And did those Bosnians hate coming here and working for Tyson?
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 11, 2008 11:59 AM
Well, time for lunch - I'm feeling the need to head south of the border to Las Trancas for some chips, salsa and whatever the special is today. Arriba! Andale!!
Posted by: pogo
| April 11, 2008 11:59 AM
It is not "demonizing" to criticize a candidate's record.
It's called political free speech.
Posted by: nash
| April 11, 2008 11:59 AM
"Bush is moving to Dallas. *gag*
Why does this make me think of Larry Hagman?
(you gotta remember old TV to get this one)
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 12:01 PM
Warren and EuroTom...
Yes! Yes! Yes! And yes! To everything you added! And the Supreme Court and our Constitution should lead the way to the best decisions regarding all of these issues!
Posted by: harborwoman
| April 11, 2008 12:01 PM
hw, we never haven't been.
ET, those are all topics worthy of our consideration (I've gotta broaden my view beyond my office walls). lol
Now, I'm gone - back later to fight off the triptofan.
Posted by: pogo
| April 11, 2008 12:03 PM
Jamie, I remember before that when Larry Hagman was Anthony Nelson on I Dream of Jeannie... I bought several seasons on DVD, though now I am moving back to "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" since I have watched all 3 released seasons of THAT GIRL... MTM was based in Minneapolis where I grew up. It's still so much fun to watch...
If anyone is into tv trivia I am playing tv squares on facebook.. Join in with the fun... Here is the link to my profile:
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=787693367
Tom
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 11, 2008 12:04 PM
I wouln't be so quick to play the SCOTUS card.
We might have a McCain nominee that has to get past a Democratic Congress v one of Obama's associates.
Given his friends, associates, mentors and advisors, that my not be a thrilling prospect. Again, one doesn't have that problem with Hillary.
Something for Indies to think about....
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 11, 2008 12:05 PM
nash...
I wuzzn't talkin' to you!
As much as I recognize your distaste for Hillary, I don't consider you to be demonizing her. I consider you to be posting your opinions, often coupled with documentation to back them up. Those are the kinds of posts we need in order to make reasoned decisions, because none of us can keep up with all the information that's available...or vet it.
We need your voice...and kgc's...and bunches of others who do such a good job of enlightening us...even when we may not like what we're reading. I'm always pleased to see your posts.
Posted by: harborwoman
| April 11, 2008 12:05 PM
pogo...
I know we never haven't been friends...I'm just sayin' how nice your compliment felt...and directing another big grin your way....
And now...I'm hauling my toes (and, well, the rest of my feet...along with all of me) off for the first pedicure of spring. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh....
Posted by: harborwoman
| April 11, 2008 12:09 PM
If there are any TV "historians" in the room today...I need help finding the name of a program that aired on ESPN.
It was the skeet shooting show that paired a celebrity with a professional shooter. Their goal was to shoot targets within certain areas of a grid to score points.
I thought it was Star Shots but I am not sure and the google is letting me down.
Posted by: Bear
| April 11, 2008 12:12 PM
Obamamaniacs are pretty upset today. It must be the Rasmussen Obama lead over Hillary shrinking from double digits to 3 points today.
What I find most ironic is the "new politics" of Mr. Obama is a fraud as evidenced by his supporters I see on this site and in daily personal contact.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | April 11, 2008 12:14 PM
"It is not "demonizing" to criticize a candidate's record.
It's called political free speech"
Translation:
"The only free speech I value is mine, You should just STFU"
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 11, 2008 12:14 PM
Max:
You constant anti-Obama paranoia is becoming tiresome...
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 12:24 PM
Craig:
I agree with you completely!!
"Being There" is a great movie!!
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 12:25 PM
"Big Donors Among Obama's Grass Roots
'Bundlers' Have a Voice in Campaign"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/10/AR2008041004045.html?hpid=topnews
just one more example of saying one thing and doing another.
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 11, 2008 12:31 PM
Craig,
BEST. VIDEO. EVAR!!!
Great "Being There" commentary, too.
Posted by: Julia | April 11, 2008 12:32 PM
Wendy:
Big deal. Rich people support Obama. So do poor people, middle-class people etc. And it is crazy to pick on this point - when there is no denying that Obama's campaign has been supported by more small donors than any other in history...
How are those PA polls looking?
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 12:35 PM
Craig,
I just posted a message with only two links, but one of them was really long so your protective mechanism ate it.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 12:36 PM
Another Boycott Beijing moment. (Not 'being there' would be your safest bet.)
"More than 100 staff at 21 stations surrounding the city will have 10 minutes' notice to fire rockets or cannons containing silver iodide at approaching clouds in the hope of making them rain before they reach the stadium."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080411/sc_nm/olympics_weather_dc
"The Office of Environment, Health and Safety, UC Berkeley, rates silver iodide as a Class C, non-soluble, inorganic, hazardous chemical that pollutes water and soil.(8) It has been found to be highly toxic to fish, livestock and humans.(6,7,8,9) Numerous medical articles demonstrate that humans absorb silver iodide through the lungs, nose, skin, and GI tract.(7,8,9) Mild toxicity can cause GI irritation, renal and pulmonary lesions, and mild argyria (blue or black discoloration of the skin). Severe toxicity can result in hemorrhagic gastroenteritis, shock, enlarged heart, severe argyria, and death by respiratory depression.(8)"
http://www.ranches.org/cloudSeedingHarmful.htm
Posted by: blueINdallas | April 11, 2008 12:40 PM
Try this again
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Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 12:45 PM
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/5468/rhododendronsxk2.th.jpg
Dorothy Clive Garden
What to do with a spare quarry
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 12:47 PM
Pennsylvania:
After decreasing the previous week, Hillary has slowly, each day, rebuilt her RCP Average lead from 6.0 to 7.8 in last several days.
MSNBC of course is giving a very different spin to these numbers.
Hope that helps Warren.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | April 11, 2008 12:49 PM
More than one way to skin this cat. Top picture from The Dorothy Clive Garden
http://jdurward.blogspot.com/2006/06/boats-and-blossoms.html
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 12:50 PM
Warren:
The point is Obama goes around telling everyone that they don't. He's lying.
SurveyUSA shows Hillary up to 18% again after a narrowing last week. Another poll has her up by 10% after it was also narrower last week. The polls...how are they looking...like Hillary's minor glitch with Bosnia is behind her and she's now pulling away from him again. That's how they're looking.
;-)
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 11, 2008 12:52 PM
OD:
Didn't it used to be like 16 or 20 points? Man, looks like Obama does well when he gets out and meets the voters.
Don't worry - I am sure Clinton will fight on even if she does not get a big win in PA. It will dive-bomb her chances to win the popular vote - but the Clintons will come up with some other argument...
(Like Hillary does better with people who vote before 12:00 pm - and THOSE are the MOST important voters in the general elections - that Mr. or Mrs. Super D - is EXACTLY why you should vote for Senator Clinton!!)
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 12:54 PM
Wendy:
I have never heard Obama say rich people don't support him. That would be silly.
And just because Obama focuses on the record number of small donors he has...well...wouldn't you?
(I think it is a great point.)
(And Bosina WAS behind her - until Wild Bill brought it up again along with some "misstatements" of his own. Plus, even if people are not talking about it - no one has forgotten it.)
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 12:59 PM
Max,
I'll see yours with 15 million from Ron Burkle plus raise you 31 million from Frank Giustra funneled to Hillary via Bubba. The QPQ will be forthcoming if they can get her elected. They'll make W/Cheney scam look like a monopoly game LOL
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 11, 2008 1:00 PM
No...he says he doesn't take money from certain industries when in fact...he does...the money is simply laundered through family members to make it look as if he doesn't.
You can't spin it with me Warren. Perhaps you'll convince a lurker...
And what does it say about someone that is outspending his opponent by 4-1 in a state and just when it looked like he was going to catch up to her...she PULLS away from him and widens the margin again...Dude can't close the deal.
"even if people are not talking about it - no one has forgotten it."
clearly...given her lead is widening in PA again...they have.
Now go on...go spin Obama's sinking PA poll numbers until you barf...I'll be out of the office for a couple of hours.
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 11, 2008 1:04 PM
New slogan:
Two liars for the price of one!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080411/pl_politico/9535
"You know, I got tickled the other day. A lot of the way this whole campaign has been covered has amused me. But there was a lot of fulminating because Hillary, one time late at night when she was exhausted, misstated — and immediately apologized for it — what happened to her in Bosnia in 1995 [sic]. Did y'all see all that? Oh, they blew it up."
One time Bill - really? "Immediately apologized" (as soon as she saw the video-tape).
And "fulminating"? Who talks like that? (at least he threw in a "y'all"...)
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 1:04 PM
Warren..Please read my post carefully. I alluded to the previous drop.
Your heightened sense of distress is very encouraging for Hillary supporters.
Gorgeous, sunny day in the Willamette Valley. I'm going to go to Portland and do 15 minutes of sign holding for Hillary in Salem, Keizer, Woodburn, Canby, Wilsonville,
Oregon City, Gladstone, Gresham, and several stops in Portland.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | April 11, 2008 1:04 PM
Jack: Bush needs translators in Iraq.
Posted by: nash
| April 11, 2008 1:05 PM
"And what does it say about someone that is outspending his opponent by 4-1"
It says he has more money that her because he is more popular and his campaign is better managed.
And would you lay off the "can't close the deal" argument. It was created by the GOP and it is pure sophistry.
Obama could not win over the loyal Clintonites - even if he really was the second coming. So until she drops out - he will not win over those voters no matter how much he spends.
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 1:10 PM
ET...
I sure don't remember seeing the outrage over Pat Robersons remarks regarding God punishing NOLA because of the Gays like I see the outrage over Rev. Wrights remarks.
Nor over his calling for the killing of a foreign leader. And as far as I know no one has left his church.
So does that mean that all those who attend Robertson's Church or even Jerry Falwell's church should be condemned for not leaving it?
Seems to be quite selective when it comes to preachers of so called Christian Churches whether or not someone should disassociated themselves from them.
And yes in the Bible God does condemn them who do not do right. Many nations were destroyed because God condemned them for how they treated others, so why should we consider ourselves better than those nations God did damn?
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| April 11, 2008 1:11 PM
Obama vs Clinton = Philadelphia vs Pittsburg
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/20080411_Pa__race_may_be_a_tale_of_two_cities.html
Posted by: nash
| April 11, 2008 1:15 PM
Obama does not care about the Joint Chiefs personal positions - he would rather just change their official position:
The Democratic presidential front-runner told The Advocate, a gay magazine, that he wants to repeal the "don't ask, don't tell" policy on gays, which was instituted during the Clinton administration.
He said his priority for the Joint Chiefs will be that they make decisions to strengthen the military and keep the country safe, not their position on the policy.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/10/obama.gay.ap/index.html
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 1:18 PM
See Pittsburgh people know a good thing when they see it. Go Pens!!!!
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 11, 2008 1:19 PM
Nash
Arabic is hard.
It's much easier to translate "liberal perfesser wannabe"
I only need to understand 2 or 3 phrases with the most common being " I can______ but you are a ________________ when you do."
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 11, 2008 1:19 PM
How to get rich, the Clinton way.
Bill takes $800,000 from Columbia to lobby for a free trade deal that Hillary says she opposes.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-schmeltzer/colombia-and-bill-the-una_b_96167.html
Posted by: nash
| April 11, 2008 1:24 PM
Why oh why Bill...
No one was "fulminating" about Bosnia until Bill decided to bring it back up.
Any lying to justify Hillary's "misstatements" is just plain stupid.
HRC ran a fine campaign up to Feb. 5. After that, she became desparate and her campaign has made mistake after mistake.
Obama has run a fine campaign this whole primary. And that is why he has won more delegates, states and votes.
(I am off to the gym. 30 minutes of cardio and then off to the steam room to try and sweat out all the toxins I put into my body last night ; )
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 1:35 PM
Jack: I'm glad that you know how to engage in a spirited debate, without resorting to name-calling.
And I'm not a "liberal."
Posted by: nash
| April 11, 2008 1:37 PM
Max, Roberts and Alito got past a Judiciary Committee and Democratic Senate that is for all intents and purposes the same Democratic Senate we can expect to see over the next 4 years. I'd take my chances with Obama nominees as opposed to McCain nominees.
As to PA, warren, I'll correct your typo - Man, looks like Obama does well when he gets out and
outspends Hillary four to one. Today's PA polls were 6 and 10 pint Clinton leads - increased over the 4 point lead of a couple days ago. usaelectionpolls.com does a nice analysis of the ping ponging polls in PA (is that alliterative or what?)
Funny, where I heard the "can't close the deal" statement was on MSGObama - from Chris Matthews, who I seem to recall warren heaping praise on a couple months ago. And you're right - who does say fulminating? When I need to have my house fulminated, I call Orkin. No, wait, that's not right, is it?
Posted by: pogo
| April 11, 2008 1:37 PM
Reality Bites!!
But i do admire OD's perseverance. I need to get off my ass and help the Obama campaign. I think I am going to PA next weekend.
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 1:39 PM
pogo:
I heard Mary Matlin use the phrase "can't close the deal" awhile back on Tim Russert's Sat. show. It was the first time I had heard anyone say it.
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 1:41 PM
ful·mi·nate: verb, -nat·ed, -nat·ing, noun
–verb (used without object)
1. to explode with a loud noise; detonate.
2. to issue denunciations or the like (usually fol. by against): The minister fulminated against legalized vice.
–verb (used with object)
3. to cause to explode.
4. to issue or pronounce with vehement denunciation, condemnation, or the like.
–noun
5. one of a group of unstable, explosive compounds derived from fulminic acid, esp. the mercury salt of fulminic acid, which is a powerful detonating agent.
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 1:45 PM
Iraq Was Not A Preemptive War
http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20080410/cm_huffpost/096040
(ok - now I am really out of here)
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 1:47 PM
Hillary Clinton and LGBT issues
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=2196
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 1:48 PM
Fact: Obama is winning, Hillary is losing.
This is not because of sexism, or a hostile MSM, or the supposed naivete of Obama supporters.
It's because the VOTERS like Obama's IDEAS more than Clinton's.
(Is this a difficult concept to grasp?)
Posted by: nash
| April 11, 2008 1:49 PM
Fact: Obama is winning, Hillary is losing.
This is not because of sexism, or a hostile MSM, or the supposed naivete of Obama supporters.
It's because the VOTERS like Obama's IDEAS more than Clinton's.
(Is this a difficult concept to grasp?)
Posted by: nash | April 11, 2008 1:49 PM
Yes it is, because on ideas, Hillary and Barack are pretty much on the same page... except Hillary's health care is far better...
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 11, 2008 1:58 PM
Obama could not win over the loyal Clintonites - even if he really was the second coming.
Posted by: Warren
You mean he ISN'T the second coming???????????????
You mean his supporters and the MSM has been lying to us all along??? I am crushed! ;-)
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 11, 2008 2:02 PM
Very honestly, it seems that Hillary's health care plan may be better, and I see no reason why President Barack Obama cannot press to have it enacted into law and give her full kudos when he does.
You gotta get elected by the whole country -- not just big blue states -- and he has a better chance of becoming president.
Gorgeous day here in northern VA. Changing into shorts to work in the yard and try out the new Alligator Loppers. Hope I have all typing fingers when I return.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 11, 2008 2:06 PM
ok I don't agree with DOMA either... but my understanding was to pass the bill in order to protect the U.S. Constitution to be used to make same sex marriage unconstitutional... Is this not so?
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 11, 2008 2:06 PM
Warren said "Obama does not care about the Joint Chiefs personal positions - he would rather just change their official position:
The Democratic presidential front-runner told The Advocate, a gay magazine, that he wants to repeal the "don't ask, don't tell" policy on gays, which was instituted during the Clinton administration.
He said his priority for the Joint Chiefs will be that they make decisions to strengthen the military and keep the country safe, not their position on the policy."
Accepting that you've reported the position of the candidate accurately then his position should serve to crystallize the military vote.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 11, 2008 2:07 PM
Where do you GET tinfoil these days?
All I can find is this aluminum crap, and I don't think it's working.
Posted by: nash
| April 11, 2008 2:13 PM
"Hope I have all typing fingers when I return."
dog,
I'm sure that the way I'd feel after shaking hands with some of the shysters the Clinton's do business with. Have to count my fingers. LOL
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 11, 2008 2:16 PM
Pogo, the Democrats will pick up seats in Congress and will certainly be in position to block any wacko nominee McCain proposes. On the other hand, it might be hard to stop another one of Obama's friends from getting the job.
Rez, you're funny. I don't think Hillary got money from the likes of Rezko and the trial will be full throttle in a few months. I don't think Hillary has to give money back from bombers either. And how mush did Ayer's fund raiser net for Obama? How much did Khalidi's net? Until Obama comes clean, we might never know.
It is clear Obama makes a big deal about how "clean" he is but it is just another phony story. Oil money and the BIG Saddam Oil MONEY via Auchi. The irony is not lost.
And comparing the Clinton association with two run down churches doesn't really compare to that letter of endorsement for what became partially built slum dwellings. Now where was Obama's outrage? He was so angry at Rezko, he let him help him by a fancy house. I'm sure Michele was never GAWD DAMN prouder.
Okay, my shots for the afternoon.
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 11, 2008 2:17 PM
We were backing Edwards. We're still trying to find out what went wrong with our equipment. This is what happens when you outsource to electronic component suppliers in China.
-The aliens from the galaxy in Andromeda
Posted by: nash
| April 11, 2008 2:18 PM
Hi Eurotom,
I have no doubt that the Clinton and Obama supporters by a large margin will come back together and the happy button will be pressed in again.
There ARE some who were bitter to begin with and are very bitter now, but even that bitterness will replace itself eventually.
Time heals all wounds.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 11, 2008 2:20 PM
It just gets worse...
http://www.rrstar.com/homepage/x224952256
And what if the Govna spills the beans?
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 11, 2008 2:22 PM
How to get rich, the Obama way.
Michelle gets a huge raise when her husband is elected to the senate and he returns the favor with a generous "Earmark" for her hospital.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 2:25 PM
Sheila, I sincerely hope you are right !!!
I think we are too divided right now, and yet, even the folks whom I get so irritated with, I know that in normal circumstances I would be in solidarity with them. I try to release any bitterness.. it's too destructive. And I have abandoned the idea of a 3rd party candidate to vote for. I have always been a Democrat and just can't abandon it as much as I try... I try to think of this blog as sort of a slightly dysfunctional, highly energized, passionate family. Our bark is far worse than our bite...
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 11, 2008 2:26 PM
Where'd ya find that Jamie? I'd like to read.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 11, 2008 2:26 PM
And speaking of the Oympic Games, here is another irony;
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=13042
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 11, 2008 2:27 PM
Eurotom,
That is the very reason why we will come back together. Bottom line for a lot of us is friendship forged some years ago. ;0)
Someday you will be saying the same thing.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 11, 2008 2:28 PM
Max, I hope you'e right - but it will run counter to such experts as CQ if that happens to any significant degree. Best case - dems pick up maybe 5 seats in the Senate (7 are possible, but not likely). That won't change the balance or the power on the judiciary committee and doesn't give dems enough votes for cloture.
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=ratings-senate
Posted by: pogo
| April 11, 2008 2:34 PM
An interesting look at Obama's Pro-Israel stance.
http://poligazette.com/2008/04/11/barack-obama-and-israel-palestine/
Nader did mention this re-positioning by Obama when he first thought of running for President. Now how long ago was that? Maybe Obama's sudden distancing from Khalidi gives us a much more honest answer than what Obama claims......
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 11, 2008 2:36 PM
Looked all over and couldn't find a still of Jack Lemmon over his head in soap bubbles from blowing up the laundry room with "fulminate of mercury"
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 2:37 PM
Pogo, if Dems only win the seats you predict, the race for President will be even tighter than that. Another reason to see how Hillary stacks up better against McCain. Based on Obama supporters expecting some sea change turnout you should not worry.
But I think you are playing it both ways....we need Obama over McCain because the Dems won't have much advantage in Congress and then discounting the disaster an Obama nomination will bring by touting the signs that he represents some great tidal wave.
Sorry if I've mischaracterized your position. Personally, I think Dems win a bit more in the Congressional races and McCain beats Obama because the voters once again elect divided government because both pick are rather lame.......One questionable person blances out a Congress with terrible ratings.
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 11, 2008 2:44 PM
Sheila,
The hospital says she deserved it, but I don't know too many people who get a $200,000 a year boost followed by a paid leave of absence for campaigning
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/09/hospital_offici.html
Obama Requested $1 Million For Construction Of A New Hospital Pavilion At The University Of Chicago. In 2006,
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 2:46 PM
Great video, CC. My rose bushes are still slumbering ...no sign of life yet. It's still all brown here (northern Ohio) and everything's under water AGAIN. Hard, steady rain for the last say and a half, but today's nice.
I follow the trail of Moqtada al-Sadr as closely as I can. There is big trouble now after this latest assassination. To Moqtada al-Sadr's credit, he is urging his Mahdi Army to not go on all-out offensive ...yet...here's the update:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/12/world/middleeast/12iraq.html?hp
Posted by: Dexter
| April 11, 2008 2:48 PM
I know the high and mighty types here are offended whenever they are told that people in other country's hate the US, or they think that 9/11 was a case of the US getting what it deserved.
Here is a local example of the hell this country has wrought upon a neighbor because we propped a dictator and funded him because he was Anti Communist.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp=24053039�
For all of you who hate the idea of gays in the millitary...why haven't you embraced the idea of making gay soldiers to be the lead bullet catchers or IED catchers? Don't you want to spare your hetero soldiers that cruel fate? Isn't it God's will to dispense the world of gays?
Posted by: Bear
| April 11, 2008 3:10 PM
Sorry about that...
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 11, 2008 3:13 PM
The King of Saudi Arabia is building slum dwellings in Chicago? Is he Hamas or Hizb'Allah? I don't see Obama ranting about him or even Pelosi. Raise you Auchi.
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 11, 2008 3:16 PM
Max,
I never read much about SA in your spiels. I'm sure Iran supports the Shiites, but doesn't SA fund and support the Sunnis. Should we not be more demonstrative towards them too.
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 11, 2008 3:18 PM
Then there was another $3 million for nano technologies
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, College of Engineering, for Nanomedical Technologies, $3,000,000
Funding will be utilized to equip the new addition to the Micro and Nanoelectronics Laboratory in order to carry out advanced research in Nanomedical Technologies. Activities will include the discovery or invention of new nanoparticles for targeting and imaging cancer; how cells are affected by infectious diseases, and how to detect pathogens.
Good idea ... hmmmmmmm wife's place of employment
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 3:25 PM
Max,
The amounts of money from Rezko et al is peanuts compared to Burkle and Giustra. These guys are reaping billions from their connection to the Clinton twins.
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 11, 2008 3:28 PM
The total for the University was about $30 million for different projects. All of them sound worthy, but why is the U.S. taxpayer picking up the tab?
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 3:31 PM
"Yes it is, because on ideas, Hillary and Barack are pretty much on the same page... except Hillary's health care is far better..."
Perhaps - but it will never get past the Republicans in Congress. So therefore, Obama's plan will have an impact sooner - and if we need mandates - we can pass them later.
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 3:31 PM
Saudi Arabia treats women like crap but neither Obama or Pelosi say much. And SA would rather fund extremists in Iraq to go after the Shia than send peacekeepers or curb their home-grown bombers.
But to bash the King of SA misses the point of advancing the Reformation of Islam and the delicate struggle to isolate Iran. The Saudis have moved to recognize Israel's pre-1967 borders. Iran has not. So I would argue that the Saudis have played things both ways but at least advnace some Western interests. They are slowly creeping towards Reformation having recently declared they will re-edicate all their clerics and begin stopping the hate spewing out of their madrasses. We can only hope.
Realsim leads us to pick between the lesser of evils, but it doesn't mean giving up principle. The world cried when the Saudis were going to punish a rape victim. There is a semblance of reform in SA.
What should we do? Well as LL and I discussed last night, we should try and use our leverage to get China and Russia on board a joint agreement regarding terrorism, criminal networks, the reformation of Islam and a coalition to enforce international agreements including basic human rights and WMD proliferation. IF SA understands the major powers are united, Reformation will proceed and regimes like Iran's and Syria's will be on notice. By simply attacking a sometimes-allie like SA, we may loses Lebanon, fail to contain Iran and even see the Royals fall to extremists which is OBL intent.
SA and Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon need to be nudged. So while we should protest loudly the deplorable things SA does, we should also support the right things. We should be asking however, why the world doesn't unify it's message to a region that oppresses women. My suggestion is a HUGE push towards alternative energy to break the grip of oil. That would send shock waves to the various regimes that use oil to mask their pretense of Democracy.
Robin Wright is wrong. It is not the US that has discredited Democracy more than any other nation. Clobert missed his chance for centrist cred last night. Sorry Colbert, you aren't funny when kssing someone's ass unless it's your own.
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 11, 2008 3:38 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?
Max,
these are the kinds of deals the Clintons get involved in, not some 40K grant or help with a home mortgage.Billions!
Giustra also happens to be close to the Canadian PM office, remember NaftaGate, a little qpq or what?
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 11, 2008 3:42 PM
Burkle and Giustra indicted? Supporting Middle East bullshit? Soros is helping Obama and he is wonderful isn't he?
Got to run but I'll return
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 11, 2008 3:44 PM
"And SA would rather fund extremists in Iraq "
You don't think Sunnis are killing GIs?
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 11, 2008 3:45 PM
Yes, they have, but that is different than saying SA is directly killing GIs.
Iran is directly killing GIs. AQ is directly killing GIs. Former Sunni Ba'athists are directly killing GIs. Shia are directly killin Gis.
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 11, 2008 3:49 PM
"And would you lay off the "can't close the deal" argument. "
Ummmm...no...1) because it's true and 2) free speech. At least I didn't call him a . . . Big F*#@ W#@$...so you should always think to yourself...well what she said could have been worse.
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 11, 2008 3:50 PM
Max, those aren't my predictions - that is outside any sense I have for the races in such exotic climes as Minnesota. Those are CQ's predictions and my application of the "You can't always get what you want" theory of politics. As I said, I hope you're right. I do expect the Dems should win in Nov., and I hope they can take some of the open seats that folks like Warner are retiring from. I really don't think I'm trying to have anything both ways - I prefer Hillary to Obama, I prefer either dem candidate to McCain and expect the dem candidate will win in a close contest in Nov. And I don't see Dem. gains beyond about 5 senators, with maybe 8 or nine in the House.
I have certainly not touted signs of a great Obama tidal wave - you'd have to look long and hard to find any such statement from me - and your efforts would be in vain. I think both Obama and Hillary face significant challenges holding at least a portion of the others' supporters, which increases the pressure to attract the middle and a few crossovers. Do I think Hillary iswellpositionedtodo that? Yep. Obama? Maybe. I fully expect the pres race to be close and hinge on half a dozen or so of the traditional swing states, and I think Hillary has a better chance to win the ones of those states with the largest number of electoral vottes.
And do I have reservations about Obama supporters who might be USSCt nominees? I might if I thought I knew who those nominees might be. I know I'm not likely to see moderate candidates come from McCain - and I don't trust this Senate to stand up to his nominees any more than it did to Bush's.
I hope that clarifies my position.
Posted by: pogo
| April 11, 2008 3:55 PM
"Funny, where I heard the "can't close the deal" statement was on MSGObama - from Chris Matthews"
Ah...Pogo whenever someone says something negative...yet truthful...about Obama Warren always claims it's a GOP talking point. It's the old "If you're not for us you're against us" coming from Warren if you ask me. Now THAT is a GOP talking point.
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 11, 2008 3:57 PM
Before I go Rez, you over-look the history. Kaz gave up its enrichment activites which won Bush some praise around the world. They let us remove their dangerous stock piles which they could easily have sold. See the acclaim Bush got from the IAEA. Kaz then let us use their countries for operation in Afghnaistan. Despite this, Bush and Democrats blasted them over human rights but since then we have been trying to patch things up. THen the deal happened (no criminality) and guess what? Kaz opened themselves up for NATO to again use their country for military operations in Afghanistan and continued to follow through on proliferation agreements. This is a highly complicated situation and is NOTHING like Auchi making billions off of Saddma's food for oil scam and funneling some money into Rezko. At least Clinton's effort helped our national interests rather than Auchi. Would you rather Putin secure Kaz uranium. and the Clinton Library is hardly slum dwellings. Are you suggesting Hillary's foreign policy will be swayed by the Kaz deal or the money the Clinton library got? Criminal charges? So I think you paint the wrong picture even if there was some qpq. NATO has a base, Kaz is back on track on proliferation and Putin or China does not mine the urnaium fields. Would you fell better if Obama landed Auchi an exclusive on Chavez's uranium fields and donated millions to AAAN or CAIRS?
I think we are talking apples and oranges again. But laterm that was my quich answer.
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 11, 2008 4:03 PM
Now those typos are because I have biking gloves on and GOD DAMN it , I have to run out of here.....
LOL
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 11, 2008 4:07 PM
Wendy:
I actually addressed the point about the nonsensical argument re: closing the deal. But you ignored my answer and found a way to slam me anyways.
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 4:08 PM
P.S. Warren I know my Israel history pretty well and note that before WW2, Sunnis wanted European Jews to flock to Palestine because they knew the educational and economic institutions they would bring. The Nazi Grand Mufti changed all of that, but that is a long story. Jordan was part of Palestine, so please remember that when you claim perhaps, that the West Bank and Gaza are not enough for today's Palestinians. There was ample reason Jordan threw them out.
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 11, 2008 4:13 PM
"Jamie every aspect of this argument that you keep stabbing at just rings hollow to me. There is no smoke, there is no fire. "
I didn't say there was. Just because something happens to be true doesn't mean that it is necessaryily some evil conspiracy or the result of nefarious dealings. Sometimes it is an investment in the future sometimes it is totally benign.
Michelle might be worth $300,000 a year. The earmarks for the University could all be wise and necessary expenditures without any quid pro quo. The same could be absolutely true about the Clintons and their investments.
Maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle. They are all benefitting by their professional positions while doing some good for society in the process.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 4:20 PM
"Fact: Obama is winning, Hillary is losing."
Yes...so far this is true.
A little story...
One evening in Oct 2007 the #2 USC Trojans took the field against...well the very unranked Stanford Cardinals. Should have been a scrimmage for the mighty USC Trojans and for the first half of the game...it pretty much was. USC took a small lead into half time. But nobody realized the USC QB had broken his finger and when he came out for the second half...he was awful. The small lead USC had dwindled until there were only seconds left in the game and Stanford was only behind by 1. But Stanford was down to one play left. 4th and 10 against one of the best defenses in the country...game over...yes? No. Stanford converted a 4th and 10 pass to the corner of the end zone to take a one point lead in the game and knock the mighty Trojans off their pedestal and win the game.
Anyone want to guess the moral of the story?
Oh...heck...I'll just tell ya.
It ain't over till it's over. How I wish we could have ended the game with 10 primaries - I mean yards - to go. USC Trojans might just be the 2007 National Champions.
;-)
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 11, 2008 4:20 PM
Warren
I hadn't gotten that far
But your point was also nonsensical...because you heard Matalin say it...it's a GOP talking point? I think lots of people have been saying it...not because it's a talking point but because it is true.
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 11, 2008 4:25 PM
Max, I know you're out of here now, but just for you to look over and noodle when you return and if you look back this far - here's why I'm a little less than convinced of the Dem congressional gains many are predicting.
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=40
Note that the great majority of open seats are in jurisdictions won handily by Bush in '04. 27 of the 34 "transitional house seats were in districts won by Bush, and all of the 5 transitional senate seats were in states won by Bush.
Now, I've had enough of the office today - TTFN
Posted by: pogo
| April 11, 2008 4:31 PM
I just want to say that I don't think anyone is worth $300,000 a year... Obamas, Clintons or so-called medical professionals or lawyers. Not to mention corporate leaders and oil hacks...
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 11, 2008 4:31 PM
I gotta think for every "Little Engine that Could" story there are 100 or more stories that says the odds are very great against her.
Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.
Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!
Posted by: yo soy Horsedooty!
| April 11, 2008 4:33 PM
Wendy,
The problem with your analogy isn't that it ain't over until it's over.
The Trojans on paper were a lot better than USC. In this race that is HRC. The Trojans QB was hurt and their over rated receiving corps underperformed....sounds like the Clinton Campaign hierarchy here.
Stanford played a scrappy and gritty game. They realized early on that they could hang with the Trojans and they fed off the burst of confidence this realization brought them...sounds like Obama to me.
If you want to use another analogy, maybe you can use Greg Norman's choke at the 96 Masters...but I think Clinton plays that part as well.
Posted by: Wendy you don't know the moral to your own story? | April 11, 2008 4:35 PM
ET, I agree. It should max out at ten times what the person on the shop floor makes.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 11, 2008 4:36 PM
[Yawns @ the troll]
Nobody overrated the USC receiving corps...in fact most experts said it was the Trojans biggest weakness going into the season.
another example of not having all the facts straight before putting fingers to the keys
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 11, 2008 4:40 PM
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/obama-explains.html
I'm not even going to pop out a quote from this...just suffice it to say...proof that Obama shouldn't be President because he really doesn't know what he's talking about MOST of the time.
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 11, 2008 4:45 PM
Here is a song i used to play very often on my radio show at KAOS...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuEWBlChry4
Wasteland of the Free .. Flatus' reply about "max out at 10 times what the person on the show floor makes " made me think of this.
EVERYONE SHOULD LISTEN TO THIS SONG!
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 11, 2008 4:45 PM
Hey ET...just shot you a note via myspace...
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 11, 2008 4:48 PM
ok will read now...
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 11, 2008 4:50 PM
ok Wendy, TAG, your it !!!
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 11, 2008 4:56 PM
If you review the scouting reports for your USC Trojans, home of OJ Simpson by the way, you will see that while they lacked experience, the receivers were labeled great talents.
The "experts" pointed to Booty as the weakness on offense. But who cares...
I can boil the conversation in this page to the following Orwellian statements
War in Iraq is Peace in Iraq
Voter Ignorance is My Strength
Obama's Slavery is My Freedom
No matter what, I laugh when I realize that you Americans here are supposed to be amongst the educated elite...lol
Posted by: Wendy sees the "Troll" when she looks in the mirror... | April 11, 2008 5:05 PM
Maybe it is an indirect way to get the pundits talking about un-truths made on th campaign trail by all candidates Seeing as the "bosnia mis-speak" has already played out , on current political shows they would have to cover all candidates on the topic the untruths. Thus bringing into the discussion mis-truths told by BHO or McC.
it's a reach, I know
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 11, 2008 5:10 PM
Craig,
I really have to ask purely for clarification of network policy. We are now in to the tenth or eleventh hour of every ten to fifteen minutes of bashing Hillary for a Bill stupid remark.
During this whole period the only mention of Sen. Obama has been whether or not the numbers are narrowing in Pennsylvania. There has been no mention of McCain. There was one mention of the fact that the fire in the new Clinton headquarters may have been arson.
Is there a news director with a brain? No wonder the ratings and income for NBC are in the toilet.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 5:11 PM
Of coarse another reason would be just to keep the Clinton name in the news , with a non-event event.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 11, 2008 5:13 PM
Then again, maybe Bill just learned how to inhale?
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 11, 2008 5:14 PM
Except that most of the "walking around money" tends to go to black social groups and churches. They may not like the fact that Sen. Obama doesn't care any more about them than he does in the Rezko housing projects.
A great deal of his life seems to be, "I've got mine aren't you impressed!"
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 5:31 PM
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/obama-explains.html
I'm not even going to pop out a quote from this...just suffice it to say...proof that Obama shouldn't be President because he really doesn't know what he's talking about MOST of the time.
Posted by: Wendy! | April 11, 2008 4:45 PM
Wendy: Um, I think this may be the dumbest remark of the last month. Even dumber than the vibrating cell phone comment.
Posted by: Ally
| April 11, 2008 5:32 PM
For the entertainment of the Clintonistas ONLY.
http://videos.newsobserver.com/index.php?a=player&id=1816319
Obamamaniacs DO NOTclick on the link, you won't find it entertaining.
Found this while cruising over in Republican land.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 11, 2008 5:33 PM
Well I want to read some comments on Wasteland of the Free dammit !!!!
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 11, 2008 5:36 PM
At the begiining of Shawn Hannity's radio show he said that Hillary is going to release some kind of bombshell news about Oabam but she is going to wait until after the CBS deate in Philly so Katie and Bob don't ask her about it. He mentioned where he read it but I did not get the name. Did anybody else hear about this.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 11, 2008 5:39 PM
Vadaryl: you actually can listen to Sean Hannity?
Wow. I've never gotten past the 20 second mark.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 11, 2008 5:42 PM
Jack, OMG that was funny... but ... also a bit mean-spirited. If I can laugh at Joan Rivers saying Elizabeth Taylor is the only person she knows who stares at the microwave and screams "HURRY!!!", well I guess i can laugh at this too :-D
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 11, 2008 5:47 PM
"but ... also a bit mean-spirited"
Tom
Your statement quoted above is 100% correct. It is mean spirited but it is one of the levers that Republicans are trying out on Obama. If you can't smear the candidate the smear the supporters.
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MWIzNWE3NzI2NTFhMWZiZDc0NTFlZGVhODVhNDUzOTM=.
As Obama appears to be the Democratic nomimnee folks had better get used to it.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 11, 2008 6:03 PM
Pogo has presented the most cogent arguement for sticking with the Democrats. I will look over the entire Congressional race. I will consider it, but every Democrat should listen up. This country is plit down the Middle and the bombastic and racial remark by Obama that he would defeat Republican opposition to Democratic ideas like "busting down the doors of segregation" shows you the marbles be playing with.
If Hillary drops out, this will certainly be a pathetic choice between lame and lamer. What's worse, a Cartereque slide into squandered global leadership and increased threats or a conservative SCOTUS? Tough call if Pogo is right. Let's hope he's not GAWD DAMN WRIGHT.
Now let's scan the news......
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 11, 2008 6:09 PM
Pogo has presented the most cogent arguement for sticking with the Democrats. I will look over the entire Congressional race. I will consider it, but every Democrat should listen up. This country is plit down the Middle and the bombastic and racial remark by Obama that he would defeat Republican opposition to Democratic ideas like "busting down the doors of segregation" shows you the marbles be playing with.
If Hillary drops out, this will certainly be a pathetic choice between lame and lamer. What's worse, a Cartereque slide into squandered global leadership and increased threats or a conservative SCOTUS? Tough call if Pogo is right. Let's hope he's not GAWD DAMN WRIGHT.
Now let's scan the news......
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 11, 2008 6:10 PM
Hey max.....what's this fascination with the God Damn thing you got going on?
Posted by: sturgeone | April 11, 2008 6:14 PM
It's getting fun out there. The blogs are doing what the press used to do. Obama had a closed thing but whatever was said got out on the blog and Hillary just responded to it. CNN is all over it now.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 11, 2008 6:15 PM
oh......i just got it.....Wright's Tourettes.....ok.....never mind.........Did you find out who Noam Chomsky was?
Posted by: sturgeone | April 11, 2008 6:16 PM
noam chomsky IS.......that is......
Posted by: sturgeone | April 11, 2008 6:17 PM
Maxtrue wrote:
First to clear up some confusion.
1. When you mentioned Chomsky I hadn't noticed that the link I posted was by ELI CHOMSKY. At first I thought you were talking about NORM CHOMSKY, hense my words about NORM.
2. Then when you quoted ELI, at first, I thought that maybe NORM had written that article and I responded in defending who I thought was NORM...LOL Of course, NORM would never say those things and I realized the article had in fact, been written by ELI. So I hope that clears up my response. I;m sure Chomsky would vote for Obama.
Norm was the guy on Cheers......shouldnt mr world knowlegeable guy at least know who Chomsky is?
just asking......
Posted by: sturgeone | April 11, 2008 6:22 PM
on the lighter side what is revealed in Cheney's sun glasses?
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 11, 2008 6:24 PM
Laura Bush? Nah!!!
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 11, 2008 6:25 PM
probably some target.
Posted by: sturgeone | April 11, 2008 6:26 PM
how about cheney's daughter?
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 11, 2008 6:27 PM
if you look from the side it's interesting.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 11, 2008 6:28 PM
Let's hope he's not GAWD DAMN WRIGHT.
Now let's scan the news......
Posted by: Maxtrue |
As an Independent I agree with your reasoning on foreign policy but think your thoughts have little chance to change the fixed positions of those on the left. I believe if BO were elected it would strengthen the position of Hamas by the weakness he has shown as regards his honesty and character and his penchant to obfuscate his true intentions. Barack "Neville Chamberlain" Obama frightens the hell out of me, and I for one think the lesser of two evils is McCain. That is the way I shall vote if Hillary is not the nominee.
toast
Posted by: Milquetoast | April 11, 2008 6:35 PM
I cant believe my Emily LaTella moment went by unscathed: buchanan talking about Aaron Neville strikes in Iran........
ok........never mind.
Posted by: sturgeone | April 11, 2008 6:37 PM
Milque.....really.....that's a stretch of giant magnitudinals......
Posted by: sturgeone | April 11, 2008 6:39 PM
Independents can kiss my burro.....vote as you will.....tired of hearing about your will to vote for a republican if its not this that or the other.....carramba....you wanna play games with the last 7 years........scheissa del toro........take it to the gop....they're waiting for you with open arms.....they got a big tent you know.......right?
Posted by: sturgeone | April 11, 2008 6:42 PM
BARACK OBAMA HID HIS FATHER'S SOCIALIST AND ANTI-WESTERN CONVICTIONS FROM HIS READERS
"There's a big mystery at the heart of Barack Obama's Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance. What was Barack Obama doing seeking out Marxist professors in college? Why did Obama choose a Communist Party USA member as his socio- political counselor in high school? Why was he spending his time studying neocolonialism and the writings of Frantz Fanon, the pro-violence author of "the Communist Manifesto of neocolonialsm", in college? Why did he take time out from his studies at Columbia to attend socialist conferences at Cooper Union?"
http://gregransom.com/prestopundit/2008/04/gregs-guide-to-barack-obamas-d.html
Posted by: GORDO | April 11, 2008 6:48 PM
Now is the time for all good men and women to come to the aid of their party. that party would now be democrat. People get ready there's a train a'coming......picking up passengers from coast to coast......obama or clinton.......it's democrat city or bush get s 4 more years........I had to hide my burro......the crush of "independents" was causing him to feel inadequate to the task...........
Posted by: sturgeone | April 11, 2008 6:49 PM
this is time for fish or cut bait, independents.....dont be a'dangling that "oy, I'll vote for McCain" in front of anyone after the last seven years.........get on board or swill with the republicans........vote honestly as you will but make no mistake......the contest is Democrat vs. Republican.........so CHOOSE, lads and lassies........Choose.
Posted by: sturgeone | April 11, 2008 6:54 PM
hear, hear @ sturgeone
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 11, 2008 6:58 PM
WHo cares if Obama was a socialist or not? And who cares what political leanings his father had? My dad is a total moron repug and my brother is too, except less of a moron. I am a Dem... the sins of the father does not indict the next generation...
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 11, 2008 7:01 PM
what is this about Bill Clinton foot in mouth?
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 11, 2008 7:02 PM
Bill Clinton.......a veritable giant among men....Why, man, he doth bestride the narrow world like a colossus......if he were for Obama.........what a monsoon that would be.....but he's for his wife.......and Gore is Silent......and Edwards is silent........Bill Press is neutral.....take a good hard look ladies and germans.
Rhetoric is cheap.
Posted by: sturgeone | April 11, 2008 7:13 PM
"Clinton and a top McCain aide both pounce on Obama’s remark, reported Friday, that economic woes make small-town Pennsylvanians “cling to guns or religion.”
Rove says on Fox that this will “doom” any chance he has at winning Pennsylvania, while conservative Grover Norquist goes further, telling ABC News: “That sentence will lose him the election.”
http://thepage.time.com/
Posted by: GORDO | April 11, 2008 7:14 PM
Sturgeone, I admit that English lit isn't my strong point, but I am not 100% sure what your meaning is in this post...
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 11, 2008 7:15 PM
Juro.......what post?
Posted by: sturgeone | April 11, 2008 7:16 PM
GORDO I am totally for Hillary but when our side starts paying serious attention to monsters like Karl Rove and Grover Norquist, then this is a truly messed up election.
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 11, 2008 7:17 PM
"this will “doom” any chance he has at winning Pennsylvania"
Yea after that bone head comment...Zogby may not even be able to fix the polls in his favor in PA
ROFL
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 11, 2008 7:18 PM
your last one about Bill if he endorsed Obama... etc... and the neutral folks
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 11, 2008 7:19 PM
Well said, EuroTom.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 11, 2008 7:19 PM
ET...it's not about who is pointing it out...the comment he made about PA was truly bone head. . . in fact it was very reminiscent in some ways to the kinds of ignorant crap he pointed out in his race speech. He was stereotyping people to explain why they perhaps "don't get him" and won't vote for him. It was truly stupid.
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 11, 2008 7:21 PM
Juro Tomas.........I admit to being an english major in various yrs of my un-discarded youth pero twas muchos anos pasado.......i carry the vestiges like babies born with gills.......
and 100% is some kind of fiction borne of desperation.
Posted by: sturgeone | April 11, 2008 7:22 PM
Ok Wendy, I haven't read the comment yet... but still... Rove and Norquist... that gives me the heebees..
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 11, 2008 7:24 PM
John Zogby's brother James is a SD (DNC) for Obama.
http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.ht
Posted by: GORDO | April 11, 2008 7:26 PM
ET...I know what your saying.
Hey...BTW...I guess I should have realized but I just heard today that Rove never even graduated from college. After I heard that I thought to myself...that explains soooo much.
PS...I didn't fact check this I heard it on POTUS this morning so I could be wrong or misheard.
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 11, 2008 7:27 PM
I think I was saying that if bill endorsed obama there would be no question of who the next president would be.....ie obama
english lit? fahcrying out loudermilk...........just a line from Julius Caesar/Snakesheiss...........
but bill is for Hillary, like me.......so we just hope.....hope for change.........
bear in mind i was a democrat in 68 72 76 80 84 90 92 etc etc......ie.....Im a democrat............and I will be until a further left outlook is viable. rubbery potatoes.
Posted by: sturgeone | April 11, 2008 7:29 PM
ET -- What Obama said about small town America has ZIP to do with Rove or Norquist's thoughts about it. The comments were insulting and incredibly stupid.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 11, 2008 7:37 PM
Mr Whiskey Jack.......I am mortified and remiss in not having thanked you far earlier for your bounteous musics you've posted on the blog.....Lest you feel that somehow they were overlooked or simply non-attended I extend to you the great beeg South Carolina muchississimas gracias....y possamore.
Posted by: sturgeone | April 11, 2008 7:44 PM
Actually, I think I'll give Obama a pass on this one. I read the comments, and in the context of a private fundraiser he's basically speaking as a "political pro" to well-heeled supporters in a backroom environment. So he's just giving an honest, professional political assessment -- sort of like Bill Clinton did about the black vote in South Carolina. Whether you agree with him or not, or think it'll have a huge impact politically, or want to debate the stupidity of saying anything honest in today's world and not thinking it will get out there -- have at it.
I'm just saying I don't think the fact that a professional politician made these observations is all that horrendous.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 11, 2008 7:45 PM
Sturg...Sounds like you're having FUN tonight! I wish I was there to share a toast with you! :)
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 11, 2008 7:47 PM
sturg you must be much older than me... I couldn't vote til 1980... ;-)
Patsi, Wendy, when I read Obama's comments on their own, I don't feel he was trying to be insulting... I think he was trying to say that these people have been let down. But, after reading Hillary's spin on it, she talks about the optimism and strength of Pennsylvania communities and you can't help but appreciate that. Problem for Obama is that he equated frustration and anger and let-downs to an over-reliance on guns, anti-immigration and religion. I agree with Patsi that the comments were "incredibly stupid". Small town people often have even more communal pride than larger places and they don't like to have outsiders advise them of the reasons they have their "biases"... I know this because my Mother lives in a small Northern Minnesota town of 320 people or so...
I don't think Obama meant to be insulting, but he was by default... and yes, dear Patsi, that does make the comments "incredibly stupid"...
That's my take on it...
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 11, 2008 7:48 PM
Jack,
Second sturg's comment on your music posts. I sure miss them when your not here.. In fact I had never used you tube before I saw your posts . Now I find myself humming a song you have posted.. Keep em coming.
Julie :-) :-)
Posted by: Julie-Young73 | April 11, 2008 7:54 PM
Mr Lardass......I am thinking that if there were a way to clean up the language on the blog......ie, perhaps somewhatly reduce the frequence of vulgate expressions and doble ententres etc on the blog which must by definition turn off myriad new out-checkers of Crawfordlist.....well......permit me to say that your screen name might be exponentially more effective if you could perhaps have your moniker as Lardmass.
it's not set in stone and certainly the committee for proper pseudonyms has not weighed in, nor indicated that they might at this point be concerned.......nevertheless it is a point which might be considered........I mean, what If i called myself Sturgeone-boonkie........you can imagine the confusion.
Posted by: sturgeone | April 11, 2008 7:55 PM
NEWSFLASH:
Extra! Exrta!
Obama says people in small towns are "bitter".
Holy Mackeral!!
You mean people struggling to pay the bills, living with the constant anxiety that if the encounter a serious injury or disease - any savings they might have with be taken by the hospital. And of course mothers and fathers spending every day worrying about sons or daughters in wars on the other side of a globe. (And they don't see anybody doing a thing about it.)
All this - and all politicians do is take positions and say things to get elected - instead of actually getting anything done.
Guess what - you don't have to live in a small town to be bitter and frustrated at the shape Mr. George W. Bush has left this Country in.
(And of course the elite liberal media is SCHOCKED that Obama - in the middle of a heated political contest - would actually tell the TRUTH.)
(They talked about Iraq for a couple of days and now cable news is back talking about what it does best - GOSSIP!).
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 7:55 PM
Sturg...Sounds like you're having FUN tonight! I wish I was there to share a toast with you! :)
Posted by: LardassLiberal | April 11, 2008 7:47 PM
I wish I could even have a toast. I could toast a diet coke or something... This damned diet! grrr... I think I am down 13 kilos which I believe is 28.6 lbs, but not sure.. .
Also, LarLib, the comments by Mr. Obama don't bother me that much, and the partisan side of me thinks "well good, something that he's messed up so now the media can focus on his faux paus and not constantly on the bosnia shit. " I think this will definitely be advantage CLINTON... it will be interesting to see how Pennsylvania plays out in the primary... I, although confessing to much nervousness, still believe it will be a SIGNIFICANT win for Hillary....
My advice to Mrs. Clinton?? Have someone write Bill's speeches and keep him "on the leash" so to speak.
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 11, 2008 7:56 PM
"Obama speaking at a fundraiser for wealthy donors in San Francisco, CA, on Sunday — about what people are like in small-town Pennsylvania (those “typical white people”):
You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them…And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.
And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
Hillary Clinton delivered the following statement at a “Solutions for the Urban Economy” town hall in Philadelphia, PA earlier today, via press release:
“I saw in the media it’s being reported that my opponent said that the people of Pennsylvania who faced hard times are bitter. Well, that’s not my experience.
“As I travel around Pennsylvania, I meet people who are resilient, who are optimistic, who are positive, who are rolling up their sleeves. They are working hard everyday for a better future, for themselves and their children.
“Pennsylvanians don’t need a president who looks down on them, they need a president who stands up for them, who fights for them, who works hard for your futures, your jobs, your families.”
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/11/interpret-this-obama-speak/
Posted by: GORDO | April 11, 2008 7:56 PM
In his arrogance he looks down on people who turn to God and guns when they are in the middle of hard times. In his heightened nobility he won't spend money to get elderly to the polls even while shelling out millions on advertising.
MSNBC worries for 12 hours about Bill Clinton saying something stupid. Will they give 12 minutes to Sen Obama for saying something even more stupid and condescending.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 7:59 PM
Sturg...I do like you a whole lot, but I think I'll keep my maiden name...thanks very much. ;-)
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 11, 2008 7:59 PM
English major crap which i picked up in the eighth grade
"If I WERE" subjunctive mood, condition contrary to fact.....
Posted by: sturgeone | April 11, 2008 8:00 PM
Sturg, maybe it is supposed to be LAR DASS ... :)
Ok now I see a line in Obama's comments that I find quite stupid... "they cling to..."anti-trade sentiment"... wait, that is a big issue for unions and American workers. to put it in a list of "cling to guns or religion ... anti-immigrant sentiment" diminishes the real concerns of how trade has damaged the U.S. economy. The multinationals have become SO powerful that the nation-state itself is in danger of being made more irrelevant over time.
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 11, 2008 8:01 PM
politicians prefer un-armed peasants.
Posted by: sturgeone | April 11, 2008 8:04 PM
Jamie...I hear what you're saying and agree with your sentiments.
But in a weird way, I find it comforting whenever Obama reveals that he has any other politician's feet of clay. Makes me think he might actually be capable of running the country, should he be elected.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 11, 2008 8:04 PM
Jack:
This video is awesome!!
http://videos.newsobserver.com/index.php?a=player&id=1816319
(someone must be reading this blog - remember the "Obamawan learners". And of course Sen. Lieberman as Palpitine, which makes McCain...you guessed Darth Vader!! "Luke, we will have 100 more years of war...").
Now all we need to do is figure out who Yoda is...
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 8:07 PM
I am outta here... it's 2:10 am and it was a terrible day.. take care all
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 11, 2008 8:10 PM
yoda fellah, da rocky-fellah........
Posted by: sturgeone | April 11, 2008 8:11 PM
Jamie:
I don't think Obama's childhood leaves him open to this attack that he is some type of elitist.
(Obama may have a lot elite supporters. And of course they are the most visible because the media is Exhibit A. But his support does end there.)
Anyways, growing up as a bi-racial kid without a dad is hardly being born with a silver spoon in your mouth. The fact is that he worked hard to get where he is today. And he is working hard to be the next President of the United States.
And I think he can do it.
Si Se Puede!!
Obama/Webb 08
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 8:14 PM
Night ET. Get some sleep!
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 11, 2008 8:15 PM
Oh brother. Let the personal attacks begin.
Craig...maybe you should just re-name this thread "There Will Be Blood."
That's where things always seem to lead.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 11, 2008 8:17 PM
How about those Pens! They lead 2 - 0.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 11, 2008 8:17 PM
Great point by a GOP guy on Hardball.
The problem with Bill Clinton is why they don't let surgeons perform operations on their family members.
Good point.
(P.S. - I am glad Michelle isn't in the news, although I would mind seeing a little more of Cindy - she looks like a viking queen ; )
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 8:19 PM
Wow, I missed that! I thought your first name was being changed to Lardm.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 11, 2008 8:21 PM
Lali
I always worry about arrogance in a politician if it looks down on voters. It is one thing for an FDR or a JFK to put for an image for others to rise to meet (sort of like mighty mouse singing opera). It is another for someone like our present WH resident who is insensitive to the needs and feelings of others.
The Clintons may make errors but I don't think they dislike others who don't think the way they do or have what they have. I get the feeling neither Michelle nor Barack want to spend a moment more than absolutely necessary for votes with anyone who isn't in their class or higher.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 8:25 PM
"politicians prefer un-armed peasants."
Amen brother! Just give em some blunt objects.
(Plus, people don't need to hunt anymore - that is what supermarkets and restaurants are for...)
(If you want to hunt - go to Africa. At least there - the animals have a fighting chance ; )
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 8:25 PM
"Obama says people in small towns are "bitter".
Warren -- you are trying to change the subject. Just like your candidate changed the subject from Rev. Wright to liberals' love of white guilt. What Obama SAID was that small town Americans unhappy with their plight WHICH IS THE FAULT OF BILL CLINTON AND "W" -- are now bitter and turning to guns, religion and bigotry. READ the statement. He has given the Republicans a guided missle in the general. You are the one who chastised me for using the term "the great unwashed." I have also made the statement that Tenesseans who voted in Bob Corker were a bunch of crackers. But I'm not running for office. Think about it.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 11, 2008 8:26 PM
I agree Obama is confident. He is also confident in the American people. That is why he is running this year. We can do better.
(Hell - how can we do worse after two terms of Bush...)
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 8:27 PM
Yep. Guns can be a problem when the peasants get revolting
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/18503/18503-h/images/p138.jpg
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 8:29 PM
I think your over-reacting Patsi.
(Democrats tend to do that sometimes ; )
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 8:29 PM
Flatus...
The day that this blood-and-guts blog gets too prissy for the word "Lardass" is the day I sign out for good.
Count on it.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 11, 2008 8:29 PM
Flatus...
The day that this blood-and-guts blog gets too prissy for the word "Lardass" is the day I sign out for good.
Count on it.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 11, 2008 8:30 PM
And when I sign out for good, I'll be sure to double-post it..
:-)
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 11, 2008 8:32 PM
Warren,
Sen Obama had more than a little elitism in his life. The home in Indonesia was in a gated community. Punahou is hardly a bastion of the common man
http://www.punahou.edu/
Then add in University and law school. He may have had to work for it, but he has always been pretty high on the totem poll.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 8:32 PM
"First off all Obama is a master at getting his voters to the polls"
Yes his PAID people are coming in to do it. No money for the neighborhood guys, only the true believers.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 8:35 PM
uhoh.
This was a typo that changed the substance:
(P.S. - I am glad Michelle isn't in the news, although I would[n't] mind seeing a little more of Cindy - she looks like a [hot] viking queen ; )
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 8:36 PM
" LAR DASS "
Is he a relative of ZAR DOZ?
Do you look like Sean Connery?
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 8:37 PM
Warren...
You're actually getting funnier in your old age.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 11, 2008 8:37 PM
Jamie:
"He may have had to work for it, but he has always been pretty high on the totem poll."
It is all about where you came from. I grew up in a small town - and way I was brought up is not changed by how much money I make.
(Anyways, I will be taking a paycut next year. I need to get my "street credibility" back ; )
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 8:39 PM
I like getting old.
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 8:41 PM
"just a constant stream of anti-obama sewage flows from your keyboard. "
And you spew forth nothing but sweetness and light towards Sen. Obama.
No I will not say something positive about Sen. Obama. I find him arrogant and unready for the office he seeks. He is probably a perfectly nice person who loves his wife and family and has all sorts of wonderful qualities.
This is a political blog. If I want someone pleasant to join me for lunch, I'll call Michelle. If I want a President, I'll vote for Hillary.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 8:41 PM
Jamie...on one blog or another last week (was it this one?) I saw a cool article about how Sean Connery is fully engaged in the cause of Scottish independence from UK. Isn't that awesome? I mean, the guy is a decades-long Hollywood legend and he's still out there in the foggy dew shouting at the English battle lines, like a latter day William Wallace.
Scotland's old noblemen were like the original House of Saud. They were happy to just sell out to the highest bidder.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 11, 2008 8:43 PM
lard.....I trust you know I jest.....
Posted by: sturgeone | April 11, 2008 8:43 PM
"And when I sign out for good, I'll be sure to double-post it.."
Multiple times over several days with weekly reminders that you really have left until you have to return because no one actually missed you.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 8:45 PM
Sturg. My bad. It's just that I was starting to get a complex about my own name...and that was kinda scary for a minute. I'm out of the defensive crouch now.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 11, 2008 8:48 PM
Ordering halibut tonite.
Speaking of funny, I was at a bar last night that had a mechanical bull. Me and my friends were hooting and hollaring near the rail. A bunch of girls were riding - and this one girl stepped up and had trouble getting on the bull. She was tall enough and perfectly able but after trying a few times (and we cheered for that) - she gave up and walked away. So I let out a big: BOOOOOO!!!! (all in good fun mind you...this is NYC). And her friend - a typical Westchester snooty type - turns to me and says: "I'd like to see your fat ass get up there and try!" Hah!!
(It was a well-delivered line and she was the perfect one to do it. Anyways, I had to laugh at that one...hence the halibut tonight ; )
Btw, no protests in Buenos Aires when the Olympic torch came through....those people know how to live!!)
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 8:50 PM
Lali
The day the new Scottish parliament opened, Sean was there in full tartan when the honors were returned by the British crown and escorted in to the pipes playing Robert Burns "A Man's A Man for A That". The hymn to the equality of man.
See my blog as this is Tartan week in honor of the signing of the Declaration of Arbroath ... a few words of which found their way into a later document called The Declaration of Independence about 400 years later.
http://jdurward.blogspot.com
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 8:50 PM
Forgot a link. The Honours of Scotland
http://www.leadminingmuseum.co.uk/images/The_Honours_of_Scotland_small_image.jpg
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 8:53 PM
Off for the night. Meet David Wilson is up on MSNBC next and it looks fascinating unlike most of their documentarys.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 8:55 PM
Jamie...
Actually, I'm considering starting a new blog called "I'm Gone", which will have an exclusive membership consisting only of posters and commentors from the blogs I boycott in a moronic hissy fit..but will also have steady-stream links back to those selfsame blogs so that, in fact, everything I post on "I'm Gone" will continue to appear there, on all the blogs and among all the people I despise and deride and profess to be above.
In a strange way, my new "I'm Gone" blog will be a way for me to preserve my personal sense of mental integrity as an individual while allowing me to continue engaging with and provoke and insult the people who are, in fact, the center of my pathetic, isolated existence.
And I can still be naked and smoke pot while posting.
Does that make any sense?
:)
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 11, 2008 8:55 PM
It's quite entertaining to see how Obama supporters react when a misstatement by O is taken out of context and blown out of proportion...quite interesting indeed.
;-)
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 11, 2008 8:58 PM
Gotta go folks. Baseball happens.
See you tomorrow.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 11, 2008 8:59 PM
Why do those people stay in the towns where all the jobs are gone?
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 11, 2008 9:01 PM
Glad I decided to eat my dinner before I finished reading today's thread. First off: Walmart: I don't shop there. I remember when Sheryl Crow wrote a song called "Love Is A Good Thing" that included the line "Watch our children while they kill each other with a gun they bought at Walmart disount stores..." Walmart told Sheryl Crow that if she did not remove that lyric from her song , they would not sell her cd. In return she basically said that Walmart was a corporate bully that goes into small towns and forced local stores out of business. I would never work for them , but I would also never work for a tobacco company. Considering how evil I think tobacco companies are. Regarding the "DOMA". There are a lot of people in West Michigan who would love to see an amendment passed on this. West Michigan is very conservative. I remember when the DOMA was passed. We were talking about it at work and we all said "I guess that means Theresa can't get married now." Theresa was a boss of ours at work. Personally , I don't care. As for Obama , he may be the first politician in history to not have any faults of any kind.
Posted by: Corey
| April 11, 2008 9:02 PM
Blowing a statement out of context in one thing. Heck - it is what we all do with McCain's 100-year war comment. It is the candidates job to explain the context.
Lying is a different thing altogether. In those cases, you should just apologize and move on. Trying to explain away a lie just gets you into more trouble.
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 9:02 PM
LL you are funny. :) thanks.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 11, 2008 9:03 PM
Go Yankees!!
Big series this weekend....
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 9:03 PM
"Why do those people stay in the towns where all the jobs are gone?"
Often - the poorer you are - the less options you have.
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 9:05 PM
Actually I think the opposite, no ties, no mortgages, get a ticket and leave.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 11, 2008 9:12 PM
LL , drugs are bad. Some people I worked with had a party about 7 years ago. I went to it. I didn't know what I would be seeing there. I just expected alcohol. People were smoking marijuana there. Believe it or not , I had never been to a party where people were smoking weed. And then another friend of mine from work reached into his coat pocket and pulled out a bag of pills. My eyes bugged out. He was selling ecstasy. Another co-worker/friend of mine laughed at me when he saw my reaction. Drugs just aren't my thing. To top things off , the girl who hosted the party started making out with her girlfriend during the party. Everybody called her girlfriend "Sammy" because she looked like Sammy Hagar. I told a woman I worked with about the party and she said "That's why I didn't go to the party." I said "Why the hell didn't you warn me?"
Posted by: Corey
| April 11, 2008 9:12 PM
At my poorest point, I had eleven cents.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 11, 2008 9:13 PM
"where all the jobs are gone?"
Most don't. That's part of the problem.. Whole areas that used to be thriving towns are down to one person. The kids leave, but the retired tend to stay behind unless they can live with children. The towns are dying ... If you have funds, are self sufficient you can pick up large areas of land for next to nothing.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 9:13 PM
Lali
I shall miss you and look forward to your regular goodbye messages.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 9:16 PM
I graduated college came home to 13 % unemployment and left, move to a town that was smoking, got a job and went on.
Sometimes you can't go home.
There is no guarantee for anyone, anywhere.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 11, 2008 9:19 PM
Eleven cents? That's good , Burrito. Some people don't have any cents.
Posted by: Corey
| April 11, 2008 9:20 PM
Corey , you made me laugh, that was cute.
But I still need a gun.....especially since I have no religion. :)
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 11, 2008 9:22 PM
O.k. I am the only idiot who will say this, but don't you think the boxwood, (in Craig's video) look like an afro?
just shoot me now.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 11, 2008 9:25 PM
Some call you weeds and some of us call you wild flowers. Only a few I would like to prune out.
If it wasn't for this little bouquet on this blog I wouldn't be able to keep up with the important news since I am boycotting cable news. Thanks for all the links.
I had to run for the blood pressure meds after trying to watch the youtube video provided by Walsh. I couldn't even finish watching it, afraid I would have a stroke. It is exactly why I quit the news.
I still think the MSM will suffer from all this. I think that many of the Obama supporters are not people who were loyal news watchers before. They may tune in for a while, some probably still haven't, but they will soon lose interest and it may take a good while before the Hillary supporters come back. This supporter has found healthier things to do with her time.
Posted by: ct | April 11, 2008 9:25 PM
Senator O's arrogance and sanctimony, something I've addressed before , was front and center with his San Francisco remarks.
These remarks will be toxic in Oregon. Lots of moderate, hard-working , religious people who don't like being condescended to, people who love the great outdoors for fishing and hunting, people who don't like being referred to by some Obamaniacs as "gun nuts".
Watching a few of you attempt to defend these remarksis very ingteresting.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | April 11, 2008 9:26 PM
"I think your over-reacting Patsi."
Do you mean "you're"?
Posted by: Patsi
| April 11, 2008 9:27 PM
so true ct ......
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 11, 2008 9:27 PM
"Anyways,"
Tell me, is Anyways a word?
Posted by: Patsi
| April 11, 2008 9:29 PM
"But I still need a gun.....especially since I have no religion. :)"
ROFL, burrito....I've been down to the last eleven cents several times.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 11, 2008 9:33 PM
"A lot of these people who keep a gun at home for safety are the same ones who refuse to wear a seat belt." - George Carlin
Regarding dying towns: When I moved to West Michigan in 1995 , I first worked for a division of Herman Miller. Herman Miller makes office furniture. This area is full of office furniture makers. Herman Miller , Haworth and Steelcase. These companies used to be thriving , however that has changed over the years. While these companies still employ a lot of people here , it's not nearly the same as it was 13 years ago. After 2 months at the furniture place , I switched Prince Corp and began working in the automotive industry. Both the auto industry and furniture industry's declines have greatly affected this area where I live.
Posted by: Corey
| April 11, 2008 9:34 PM
o.k. , no.
There is anyway
There are many "ways"
there is no anyways...Thank you Patsi
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 11, 2008 9:34 PM
What about "Anyhoo"?
Posted by: Corey
| April 11, 2008 9:37 PM
lol Corey come on....that is too funny.....are there any whos?
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 11, 2008 9:38 PM
Here in USA we tend to be very self centered, most of us know the importance of the up coming election to us but we forget about the effect we have on the rest of the world. In a world of instant global news the world is also interested in our election.
This post by Steve Clemons over at the Washington Note addresses the interest the Arab world has in our election.
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2008/04/ditto_on_james/#more
a quote
"I received questions and comments, not only about the Middle East positions of each of the three remaining candidates, but also about the role of superdelegates, whether delegations from Michigan and Florida would be seated at the Democratic Convention, and whether or not Americans were really ready to elect an African American with a Muslim parent. "
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 11, 2008 9:40 PM
life is really funny if you do not take is too seriously...... :)
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 11, 2008 9:40 PM
Burrito:
Where you gonna go?
What if you don't have a degree - and you just lost a job you had at a factory you had for years. Do you just look up steel factory in the world wide white pages - pack up your family and leave. Plus - it costs money to move.
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 9:40 PM
lol Corey come on....that is too funny.....are there any whos?
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | April 11, 2008 9:38 PM
....maybe in Whoville..... ;0)
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 11, 2008 9:41 PM
lardass
you give obama a pass on this ????
how many passes have you given clinton
to all you people trying too defend his statement ....it was not taken out of context read the full statement .....
nothing out of context
Posted by: tz | April 11, 2008 9:43 PM
ok, I have thought about this , I would go to Las Vegas, every time they start work on a new hotel, they need approximately 20, 000 workers. That is where I would go.
Plus, if you are really poor and hungry, you could eat off the plates in the hallways.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 11, 2008 9:44 PM
"At my poorest point, I had eleven cents."
Think about people, with families to take care of, that don't have that and owe thousands....
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 9:44 PM
ET,
BEAU-ti-ful gardens at Keukenhof. The summer bulb weekend is today until the 13th. If we hurry, we can still make it.
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| April 11, 2008 9:47 PM
Well my 11 cents would not really help them would it?
Are you trying to discount that I had no money, or try to say those people would be better off with my 11 cents?
I am confused: what is your point?
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 11, 2008 9:50 PM
But I will tell ya one thing. I don't know what the bums are doing in NYC over the winter! I would go without smokes and beer for a few weeks (even months) to get a greyhound ticket to Miami or LA.
(And I don't sympathize with the "voluntary homeless." They flock to the East Village when the weather gets good. It seems like they put on their jeans, got on a bus, and decided to come to NYC (because anywhere would be better than where their from).
Some of them look like they came with friends, dogs, guitars (i.e., they took their favorite things from their apt. in their parents' basement - and did not just get laid off....).
(Anyways, sometimes I come home after working till 11:30 pm (or some god-awful hour) and they are loitering around drinking and smoking and having a grand ole time.... So I don't feel too bad for the "voluntary homeless." But real "homeless" people...that is a different story.)
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 9:52 PM
BTW, that reflection in Cheney's sunglasses is a hand, A man's hand. Is he gay?
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| April 11, 2008 9:53 PM
Speaking of tulips...the annual Tulip Festival starts in the first week of May. This year's big musical acts include: Johnny Lang , Ronnie Milsap and Tony Orlando.
Posted by: Corey
| April 11, 2008 9:58 PM
"are there any whos?"
Of course there are Whos. Horton hears them and the Grinch tried to steal Christmas from them.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 9:59 PM
I saw that word again........anyway (sssssssssssssssss)
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 11, 2008 9:59 PM
Cindy Lou Who
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkDELa8YSqY&feature=related
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 10:02 PM
*Corey goes to a co'worker's party*
And then...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1jB7RBGVGk
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 10:04 PM
Damn - I shoulda used this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM_vLk1I6G4
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 10:05 PM
So....we were talking about anyways and anyhoo and yadda , yadda , yadda......people started posting videos.
Posted by: Corey
| April 11, 2008 10:07 PM
""At my poorest point, I had eleven cents."
Think about people, with families to take care of, that don't have that and owe thousands...."
Warren, I love ya, pal....but you are clueless about the real world. Once, when my daughter was in college, and I was working free lance, I had no money for the weekend. NONE. I was due a pretty good check from a big record company. But....well, they just put me on the back burner. So I found a place where I could do a "test survey"of household cleaning products, and my high school age son and I trucked over there. I did the test, got $25 in cash and a bottle of Clorox, and my son and I laughed our butts off in the car, singing "We're in the money!"
We ate that weekend and I got my check on Monday. That's the real world of a divorced/single mother, sonny. And I think Barack Obama looks down on that world. Does he think I owned a gun because I didn't always have enough money? Or that I believe in God because I sometimes had to scrape for a dollar?
And by the way, as I have noted, that son now has a PhD and very good job in DC. He won't forget the day we were laughing about our $25 windfall.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 11, 2008 10:11 PM
You know this blog is funny.
Lots of people who care deeply, which is so important....smart people which is appreciated, and others who want to mess with each other.....I think you are all really great.
I don't know anything - but actually I like the people here - that includes the bad, the ugly and the good.
This is a good thing ---- keep it going
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 11, 2008 10:11 PM
No you should have posted this one for Corey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWMt5Hk0E-g
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 10:12 PM
Jamie:
If Hillary steals the election - she will be like the Grinch...
*warren causes OD to donate another $25 to the Clinton campaign*
(Damn - I need to work on these "Jedi mind tricks" ; )
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 10:14 PM
Nice one Jamie!
(I was named after a Three Dog Night song)
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 10:15 PM
This documentary "Meeting David Wilson" is fascinating. If you have missed it, try and catch it later.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 11, 2008 10:16 PM
Patsi:
That is a good story. But not all Americans are like you. A lot of them are lazy. Always waiting for some type of "break" instead of picking themselves up by the bootstraps (or whatever).
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 10:19 PM
Patsi:
I was raised by a "divorced/single mother" - and I know a thing or two about the "real world" . . . despite what you may think.
(Heck, I have been watching it on MTV ever since they did that first episode in NYC ; )
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 10:22 PM
Burrito:
You shoulda said the good, the bad and the ugly.
(it has a nicer ring to it and you should always put your best foot forward....)
I am off to walk the goose!
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 10:24 PM
UB:
But I get your point. Despite all the bad things we feel about this blog and some of the posts - at the end of the day . . . it is a good thing.
(except in terms of keeping my ass off the couch)
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 10:26 PM
And in the real world today:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080411/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_iraq
Lucy is done stretching and now she is whining - time to go!!
Posted by: warren
| April 11, 2008 10:29 PM
Warren, I also worked a demolition job with an all-black crew when the head of the label I worked for quit unexpectedly. A friend of mine owned the company and it was the best money I could get while looking for another job. The guys hated me the first couple of days because they knew I was a friend of the owner. I didn't ask for anybody's help...just toted bags and worked my butt off like the whole crew. That's why French Fry and June Bug became my lifelong friends. Barack Obama would hate French Fry and June Bug. Too black.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 11, 2008 10:33 PM
Thank God for stupid polygamists in a news cycle .LOL
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 11, 2008 10:36 PM
You're right , burrito. I was thinking the same thing at work last night. We have a new guy working in our department. Each night , we do stretches before we begin working. One stretch is a stretch where we sorta flex our hands and wrists. Each night as we've done this stretch , I've looked over at the new guy. Each time I looked at him , he was doing his own stretch. Basically stretching his arms in the air one at a time. I think to myself "Is this guy raising the roof?" Last night , he walked into a our stretching circle and he was carrying a half-eaten burrito from Taco Bell in his hand. But , I guess we need people like that to make us laugh. Jamie , I have the Randy Newman version of that song. In his words "Three Dog Night changed it around so the chorus would be more of a hook."
Posted by: Corey
| April 11, 2008 10:41 PM
here we go !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdCfcjmxouo
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 11, 2008 10:45 PM
Dang, I'd hate to be the court reporter when Michael Eric Dyson was on the stand. lol
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 11, 2008 10:53 PM
speaking of whining. . .
“No, I’m in touch. I know exactly what’s going on. I know what’s going on in Pennsylvania, I know what’s going on in Indiana, I know what’s going on in Illinois,” Mr. Obama said, his voice rising. “People are fed up, they’re angry, they’re frustrated, they’re bitter and they want to see a change in Washington. That’s why I’m running for president of the United States of America.”
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 11, 2008 10:54 PM
Wendy!: Are you by chance holding yourself up as an American who is not bitter?
Not convincing.
dog in touch
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 11, 2008 11:07 PM
For you late night online folks:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/tiptoe221/FBI.jpg
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| April 11, 2008 11:09 PM
Whining? Sorry Wendy, I guess we're on different planes . NBD
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 11, 2008 11:09 PM
tip toe
funny
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 11, 2008 11:12 PM
LOL @ Dog.
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 11, 2008 11:14 PM
"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." -B. Obama
Out of touch? Out of touch? I mean, John McCain -- it took him three tries to finally figure out that the home foreclosure crisis was a problem and to come up with a plan for it, and he's saying I'm out of touch? Senator Clinton voted for a credit card-sponsored bankruptcy bill that made it harder for people to get out of debt after taking money from the financial services companies, and she says I'm out of touch? No, I'm in touch. I know exactly what's going on.. . .
Let's do this right if we have too.
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 11, 2008 11:28 PM
I think becoming 50 years old is somewhat daunting.
Cut the guy some slack.....just for the birthday period....and my rule book says that only lasts 7 days.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 11, 2008 11:29 PM
Tiptoe: great link.
LATimes interview with Bill Richardson on endorsement; he was at one point close to endorsing Hillary. Sounds like calls from Clinton affiliates may have backfired and persuaded Richardson of need for change in DC. Plus he'd grown to know Obama better by then.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-richardson12apr12,0,4575331,full.story
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 11, 2008 11:31 PM
" Patsi more than 24 hours without calling me names, withdrawal is a bitch aye? "
And I've watched you call women names the whole time.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 11, 2008 11:35 PM
I think Bill Richardson is an ass.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 11, 2008 11:36 PM
I highly doubt Clinton supporters will ever grow to love Obama and I also highly doubt Obama supporters will ever grow to love Hillary.
Posted by: Corey
| April 11, 2008 11:40 PM
"Cut the guy some slack.....just for the birthday period"
Burrito...if he'd spell my name correctly...I'd consider it...
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 11, 2008 11:42 PM
true Corey - they (Obama & Clinton) are worlds apart on so many levels, not so much issues, but deeper issues.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 11, 2008 11:44 PM
Yikes...I can see it's getting late.
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 11, 2008 11:44 PM
I missed that mis- spelling...
no excuses birthday boy!!
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 11, 2008 11:48 PM
sleep tight everyone........
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 11, 2008 11:50 PM
Corey, I'll LOVE which ever Dem gets the nod.
I maybe the only one, but I will.
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| April 12, 2008 12:04 AM
I was shocked at Obama's "small town" story. Why? Because he's HONEST and he hit it on the head...he's EXACTLY right.
I worked with many people who voted on what the NRA said. They didn't give a damn what the UAW said, who they endorsed---it was guns, guns, guns.
Obama is dead-right on this story.
Posted by: Dexter
| April 12, 2008 2:34 AM
Dexter..Obama is a sanctimonious, elitist. He is toast...
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | April 12, 2008 2:51 AM
Just finished watching a good, thought-provoking, sad movie...Lions for Lambs. I recommend it. Then came online to catch up on the blog...what a fun night of posts!
Warren...Was shocked to hear of your being named for a Three Dog Night song. I was just sure you were named after that famous Tolstoy novel...Warren Pease....
Posted by: harborwoman
| April 12, 2008 3:02 AM
Obama is toast...the fraud is revealed
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | April 12, 2008 3:15 AM
If Americans would use automobiles less, and find ways to reduce further their energy consumption, oil prices would have to fall.
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 12, 2008 3:45 AM
Actually, quite a good recap of the developing story and some addtions from another interview of retrospective from Richardson.
Why Gov. Bill Richardson didn't endorse Clinton
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/campaign08/la-na-richardson12apr12,0,311877.story
SANTA FE, N.M. -- Before he endorsed Barack Obama, before he drew the wrath of the Clintons and was likened to Judas, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson nearly endorsed Hillary Rodham Clinton for president.
But Richardson hesitated, and as the Democratic campaign turned ugly, he grew angry.
There was that "3 a.m." TV ad, in which Clinton questioned Obama's personal mettle. "That upset me," Richardson said.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 12, 2008 5:35 AM
I've already read the Richardson article. Not much interesting there for me... though it's worth people getting a sense of what was in his head. Needless to say I disagree with his endorsement but respect his right to choose the candidate he most likes.
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 12, 2008 5:52 AM
That is all that matters Tom.
Reading availible information and making an informed decision. ;0) The truth shall set us free. ;0)
Have a wonderful Nothern European day and I hope you are tahwing out.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 12, 2008 6:21 AM
I really don't fall for the BS of why Richardson endorsed Obama. I think he, like many others, thinks Obama has the big Mo and thinks it is the cool thing to do and will make him more popular with the masses. It just amazes me how those politicians try to flow with the way they feel the tide is moving.
It is a fad, just a fad. Obama is just the favor of the month. I think he would have been smart to wait his turn, when he has more experience. The media kept warning him that he should strike while the iron is hot so he did. He may just have ruined both his and Clinton's chances because no matter how good he may be in the future, once you lose you just become a loser. I think that is what happened to Edwards.
Posted by: ct | April 12, 2008 7:53 AM
Regrding the 3:00 AM ad,,,,it was done during the time that Obama had made comments about Hillary's experience being about "tea parties" -- and Michelle had said "if you can't run your own house, how can you run the White House." (translation: if your husband cheats on you, then you are a bad wife & can't be trusted with the country.) I wasn't surprised at the 3:00 AM ad.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 12, 2008 7:54 AM
Another stupid Chris Matthews moment. This time it was directed against Obama. Chris was shocked, I tell you, shocked that in a diner, when the owner offered Obama coffee, he asked instead for a glass of orange juice. Matthews was HORRIFIED and used it as a reason Obama didn't connect with working class America. Matthews is very strange.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 12, 2008 8:01 AM
ET, you said something about if Americans used less gas and conserved energy, worldwide oil prices would decline.
Absent the giant Asian petrol sponge, China, you might be right.
I always chuckle when Europeans compare their (outrageously) high petrol prices to ours. I want to grab them and shake them by the shoulders shouting, "It's your country's tax policy, stupid!"
In any case if there is anything that boggles Europeans' minds it is taking a train or bus trip across our country. Suddenly they understand why, with the vast distances we routinely travel, our tax policy doesn't force $10 a gallon petrol.
And, really, why are crude oil prices so high? It's the cartels, stupid! (not you ET, you're thoughtful.)
Posted by: Flatus
| April 12, 2008 8:06 AM
Hers is a nice picture of Obama & Richardson
http://albanysinsanity.wnymedia.net/blogs/files/2007/10/obama-no-patriot.thumbnail.jpg
Anybody think that a picture like this won't be used in the general election if Obama is nominated?
Posted by: Bowmanc
| April 12, 2008 8:11 AM
Flatus, I've been wondering about something and maybe you have some insight to it. I heard a panel on NPR a couple of months ago, talking about the end of big oil as we know it. These guys said that oil will soon all be controlled by countries, not companies. And that the unrest we see is nothing compared to what is coming because of this. I confess, I'm no oil expert.....do you know anything about this?
Posted by: Patsi
| April 12, 2008 8:13 AM
And just to be fair
Here is Hillary & Bill appealing to the gun owners of PA.
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb184/endclintonismnow/Bonnie_Clyde_Clinton.jpg
Posted by: Bowmanc
| April 12, 2008 8:15 AM
Richardson
Mary Matalan was on one of the programs and was asked about Richardson in the context of her husband's remarks.
She was almost as scathing as James was in her criticism of Richardson for having broken the unwritten code of honor amongst politicians. (yeah, I know)
Those two get it. Trust and loyalty are the glue that holds politicians and parties together.
What Richardson did, insisting that Clinton travel to his football-fest-fundraiser, then endorsing a competing candidate, was tawdry.
He deserves the scorn he's received.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 12, 2008 8:15 AM
Flatus, yes the taxes are high, but so is the social security and health care systems in mainland Europe. This is a large part of where that money comes from ! Of course now, industry and individuals are suffering over exaggerated price increases. I always tell Europeans who laugh at U.S. gas prices that they have to remember that 1) American cars are not as gas efficient, and 2) People have lived paycheck to paycheck with a basic understanding of how much money would be needed on a monthly basis for fuel and energy. So even though it's cheaper in the USA, the ramifications of price increases are certainly just as devastating for Americans. Oh, and with the EURO so strong, we have been able to lighten the burden, just a bit, on gasoline prices since they are sold in the international market in U.S. Dollars, though I hear that might change.
As for China... yes the great red bear is the biggest threat. Suffice it to say they have absolutely no "conservation" policy or plans for any. Car growth in China is phenomenal. Number of cars in China to rise seven-fold by 2020
September 3, 2004 http://www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=565&fArticleId=2211763
And who makes the best cars according to Consumer Reports? Ford and General Motors have improved but... http://autos.yahoo.com/articles/autos_content_landing_pages/549/who-makes-the-best-cars/;_ylc=X3oDMTFla2VjZzMzBF9TAzI3MTYxNDkEc2VjA2ZwLXRvZGF5BHNsawN3aG8tbWFrZXMtdGhlLWJlc3Q-
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 12, 2008 8:17 AM
Patsi, I thought it already was controlled by countries. That said, in the lesser developed oil producing countries the lines between company and state are really blurred.
That was why, back in the 70s, we had those abortive attempts to bust-up OPEC.
I'm sure there's a lot of 'grease' going between policy makers in the different countries to keep the cartels strong.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 12, 2008 8:20 AM
Craig,
I would like to see the media do a documentary on sexism in America. It is time to do it and the only person I would trust to do it is Bill Moyers. I do trust him, I think.
I have been a nurse for 36 years and have had many different professional roles as a nurse starting as a RN, then Asst. Prof. of Nursing, Clinical Nurse Specialist, and now Nurse Practitioner.
Working in a female dominated profession it has been interesting to see the good, bad and ugly of having more men enter the profession. One example of the good is that it took more men coming into the profession to improve the salaries for nurses. Women were just too tolerant of being underpaid.
The bad is that many of those men were not as competent and too often lazy, allowing their female counterparts to do their work, but still made more money and were more likely to get the better jobs.
The sexism we see is not just the fault of men, it is more the fault of women. I just don't understand why women are still allowing themselves to be screwed.
Clinton and Obama are both intelligent competent choices for the Democratic nomination. They both have baggage but we just have examined Clinton's baggage longer and more thoroughly. Obama's baggage is just starting to arrive at the station.
Clinton has the better experience at this time and she has sincerely dedicated more of her life for this cause. She deserves this nomination.
Posted by: ct | April 12, 2008 8:26 AM
Well, Stinky has just finished her morning prayers so that means she's ready to put me to work. Later!
Posted by: Flatus
| April 12, 2008 8:27 AM
When I lived in DC, the Metro made it truly simple to do without a car. On the west coast though mass transit is improving (almost back to 1950s standards now), it is impossible to do without a car or even cut back much.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 12, 2008 8:28 AM
Obama Disrespecting the Flag and US Anthem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8QCkgg5Kjo&feature=related
(This video would be great in a 527 attack ad. )
Posted by: GORDO | April 12, 2008 8:28 AM
GORDO...more importantly about that video...the singer was horrible.
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 12, 2008 8:35 AM
" Obama's baggage is just starting to arrive at the station. "
Ha! Great line....
Posted by: Patsi
| April 12, 2008 8:45 AM
Perhaps Obama should just stop...similar to WJC opening his mouth about Bosnia again yesterday...the more you scratch a sore...the worse it's going to get.
"Note the difference between what Obama said in an unguarded moment in San Francisco, and the cleaned-up version he tried to sell tonight.
San Francisco:
So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
Indiana:
So people end up voting on issues like guns and are they going to have the right to bear arms. They vote on issues like gay marriage. They take refuge in their faith and their community, and their family, and the things they can count on."
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/04/020276.php
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 12, 2008 8:46 AM
Wendy: Yes, they might need to take him off the speaking circuit same as they did with David Wilhelm and Kirk Watson.
Obama has solidified his John Kerry-esque liberal elite identity—just perfect for McCain in the GE. Good times.
Posted by: Ally
| April 12, 2008 8:56 AM
OK...remember when the Obama campaign took the boneheaded misstatement that Hillary said about Mississippi and made radio ads out of it and played it all over MS?
Is it now fair for Hillary to take the audio of this and make a radio ad out of it and play it all over PA and IN?
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 12, 2008 8:58 AM
Obama was trying to explain his upcoming loss in Pennsylvania to his San Francisco donors: those pesky Pennsylvanians are just a bunch of down scale, ignorant, gun totin', religious nut racists. They're "not like us."
Posted by: Patsi
| April 12, 2008 9:07 AM
Patsi
ROFLMAO
Yep...I think he might pull a muscle trying to back pedal out of this one...
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 12, 2008 9:08 AM
I think Obama and his surrogates should steer clear of San Francisco...bad sound bites are coming out of that town.
Posted by: Ally
| April 12, 2008 9:13 AM
Have fun today. I'm off to the County Convention to foil the nefarious plots of Obama supporters.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 12, 2008 9:14 AM
Artist: Big River soundtrack
Album: Big River
Song: Worlds Apart
Jim and Huck
JIM:
I see the same stars through my window
That you see through yours
But we're worlds apart
Worlds apart
And I see the same skies through brown eyes
That you see through blue
But we're worlds apart, worlds apart
Just like the earth, just like the sun
Two worlds together are better than one
I see the sun rise in your eyes
That you see in mine
But we're worlds apart, worlds apart
HUCK:
I see the same stars through my window
That you see through yours
But we're worlds apart, worlds apart
BOTH:
And you see the same skies through brown eyes
That I see through blue
But we're worlds apart, worlds apart
Just like the earth, just like the sun
Two worlds together are better than one
I see the friendship in you eyes
That you see in mine
But we're worlds apart, worlds apart
Together, but worlds apart
And a mockingbird sings in an ol' yonder tree
Twaddle-ee ah dee dee dah dee dee dee
Posted by: sturgeone | April 12, 2008 9:16 AM
Good luck Jamie...keep up the good fight. See if in light of the Obama blunder you can convince a few delegates to cross over, see the light and join Hillary's team.
;-)
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 12, 2008 9:26 AM
Good Morning Craig Everyone:
Well Well Well,
The truth finally comes out now we are seeing the real Obama I feel somewhat vindicated but I'm sure as the sun rises in the east that Obama supporters will try to spin his latest dare I say mildly racist controversial comment stumping in PA yesterday.
Looks like all those years in Pastor Wright's sermons has had an affect on his feelings toward the hmmmmm what was the term he used????? Oh yes the "typical white person"
There is a common thread here if all get woven together you have to controversial comments from Michelle his wife, the bashing of America in general and whites in particular.
As of this typing its getting little media play and a slight tap on the wrist but Oh Boy! had Hillary said that it would have been the end of the free world as we know it!
Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 12, 2008 9:32 AM
Dexter's comment last night bears another post:
"I was shocked at Obama's "small town" story. Why? Because he's HONEST and he hit it on the head...he's EXACTLY right.
I worked with many people who voted on what the NRA said. They didn't give a damn what the UAW said, who they endorsed---it was guns, guns, guns.
Obama is dead-right on this story.
Posted by: Dexter | April 12, 2008 2:34 AM"
========
What happened to Craig's theory that truth is its own defense?
While you Obama detractors are slinging words like "elitist" and "out ot touch", maybe Obama understands these voters better than you give him credit for. Think how many voters he met throughout Illinois while campaigning for Senate, back when he was an unknown quantity, and listening intently to their concerns. A lot of Illinois is not that different from Pennsylvania.
Obama is a great listener.
If he expands on these remarks, maybe Pennsylvania voters will glean the empathy behind his observation, and not just see the slam you detractors are so quick to jump on to.
Don't forget, you have underestimated him at every turn, and the media is the kids on the bus on this one -- they have missed more than they have reported.
There's a hunger out there for authenticism.
RE Wendy!'s comment on not closing the deal -- truth to that. Hillary will be very hard to win against since she brings her core of hardcore supporters, and people often fear "the new."
Will be very interesting to see how this plays out.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 12, 2008 9:36 AM
Dear Patsi?
Are you here?
Posted by: Heather
| April 12, 2008 9:40 AM
dog edits:
Hunger out there for authenticity.
Still on first cup of joe this morning.
Oh for the return of that "edit" button.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 12, 2008 9:41 AM
Hi Heather -- Yep....I'm trying to get up the inclination to actually do some work!
Posted by: Patsi
| April 12, 2008 9:44 AM
oh good please click link my email addy is there you can email me anytime :-))
http://profile.typekey.com/Heather1974/
Sincerely,
Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 12, 2008 9:47 AM
Dog, I like 'authenticism'. Kind of strikes a chord, you know, like the other 'isms' that people try to get us to believe in.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 12, 2008 9:48 AM
Dog...really...he understands the voters better than we give him credit for?
He called them gun loving bigots...I highly doubt if you ask any of them they will say that Obama "gets them"
ROFL
ridiculous.
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 12, 2008 9:48 AM
"maybe Obama understands these voters better than you give him credit for. "
You mean Pennsylvanians ARE just a bunch of ignorant rednecks?
(Just kidding, dog)
Here's the problem -- as I said yesterday, I was quick to bitch about the NRA anti-Gore contingent in TN during the 2000 election. I called Bush voters a bunch of crackers. But I'm not running for anything. People do tend to cling to things like religion and love for the gun culture. But this is red meat for the general. Especially the implied slam at religion.
Having said that -- I do think Obama is "elitist" although I hate that word. Reminds me too much of Spiro.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 12, 2008 9:50 AM
Flatus: precisely re "authenticism" -- you saw that one immediately!
dog sips from second cup of coffee
Patsi: are you working on a new book? Or an article? Good luck.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 12, 2008 10:10 AM
Tavis Smiley Will Cut Ties With Joyner Radio Show
Listeners Have Been Critical of Commentator's Tough Stance on Obama
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/11/AR2008041103056.html
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 12, 2008 10:20 AM
Craig's put up a new thread.
Warning: it's a bitter brew.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 12, 2008 10:30 AM
Dog,
I agree that truth is its own defense, and as soon as I read that in your post, I thought about President Clinton saying that Jesse Jackson had been victorious in South Carolina.
That was an historical fact that became spun into racism, probably by Obama supporters with the help of the media. Senator Obama's statement is more opinion than fact, but there are certainly voters, as Dexter indicated, who easily prove the Senator's point.
The risk in making the statement is the likelihood that it might convince more undecided voters to oppose him than to vote for him. My guess is the statement had no effect on his or Hillary's supporters. It also had no effect on the people he's talking about.
Posted by: EdVB
| April 12, 2008 10:37 AM
“It's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
Obama's words speak to what Obama believes - not to the people he is stereotyping.
Maybe these proud people aren't so impressed with a rich arrogant Harvard lawyer politician -type telling them how they feel....and how they "bitterly cling" to their faith and weapons as a crutch.
Gray and cloudy here - have a great day everyone. I am going to the range for some target practice after church.
: )
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 12, 2008 10:58 AM
Craig, thanks for this little bit if whimsy. You garden analogy was quite revealing. Can we look forward to seeing your garden in full bloom this summer? Especially the "Hillary" plant. tx
Posted by: Pat Johnson
| April 13, 2008 5:35 PM
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