Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Lardasses are never first!

Again - Craig is the only one that analysis the facts in front of him w/o subscribing to the daily narrative or the Obamedia spin.

Nice article...I'm sure it will work again because the Obama camp knows they need a blow-out in North Carolina.

Clyburn's comments are veiled threats to attract Superdelegates. Nothing more. It sure doesn't help Obama get more white votes and actually might hurt him. I keep wondering: When is Obama going to try and get some of the voting blocs he doesn't currently have? Women over the age of 40? Working class? Elderly? I am told by the Obama supporters that he doesn't need them (us) because he will get Independents. Okie dokie. Sounds like a plan.

Darn...I almost got you LARD!

The 'old vote cement' at work again.

obama is also attracting HORDES of republicans, right?

Will Craig... meet Craig?

Wendy...Who knew? I just happened to log on and saw "0 Comments" up on the latest thread, so it must have been right when Craig posted it. I got lucky!

Sturg: Yup. Gazillions. In ginormous numbers.

Sr. Horse......are you also familiar with the Princess Drive-in in Las Cruces? Green chili cheeseboiger straight from heaven

If the party really wanted to make everybody happy (short of electing co-presidents - we could have a new civil war and decide who gets east and who gets west), the powers that be might consider the following:

Immediately after the completion of primary cycle, Sen. Clinton would withdraw leaving Sen. Obama as the candidate. She would throw her support and agree to work for his election.

Behind the scenes she would be part of the committee to vet a VP.

In public so that he couldn't reneg on it later, Sen. Obama would thank her and then say that if she chose to consider the offer, he would nominate her to the first vacancy on The Supreme Court.

(Sturm and Drang ends, She's removed from future competition and can't build a coalition in the Senate, Lifetime appointment of honor)

Any other suggestions?

For those who want to see the touts opinions about the Derby, just click on one of the names on the left

http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2008/contenders

For those traveling north of Truth or Consequences, New Mexico on I-25, the Owl Bar in San Antonio touts one of the best Green chile cheeseburger in the state. And Sturg...you may have noticed that in southern New Mexico, we use the 'chile' spelling instead of 'chili.' It was the first thing I noticed when I moved here.

Henceforth, chile it is, Chile.........gracias.......

Sturg...chile sounds pretty good right about now. I know it is not the same for most, but I do use chile on my veggie burgers. I'm headed to my freezer.

Clyburn's playing with fire. Although he may be trying to motivate the uncommitted delegates, he can quite easily upset the racial equilibrium which is becoming increasingly more fragile.

LL...a mirror image of Archie Bunker, the left mirror.

LL,

That works for people who like to be recognized for what they accomplish rather than what they declare ad nauseum.

Blonde...

Liberal, left-wing bigots are actually more insidious even than the conservative right-wing ones. At least the right-wingers are honest about their bigotry. The lefties cloak it in patronizing condescension and "political correctness"...meanwhile sitting in judgement on everyone else.

Anyone notice the cognitive dissonance there?

Jamie...

I think the word is "dildactic."

My massage therapist sent the following --

One of the purposes of your sinuses is to help regulate the temperature of the brain by cooling it. Studies in Europe have shown that after two minutes on a cell phone, the cerebrospinal fluid heats up to a point that the natural cooling systems of the body cannot adequately cool the brain. The consequences of this brain heatwave are still under research.

May explain a few "hot headed" comments.

Senor Pescado,

I have heard of it but never eating there. The way I understand the difference in spelling is Chile is the pepper and Chili is the soup or salsa. Chili could be made with Chiles. Is that how you understand it Blonde wino?

One of the best Green Chile hamburgers I have ever had is in Alpine, TX at a little hole in the wall joint off the main drag called Alicia's. Alicia's will seat about 14 people at the three tables and the lunch counter. They make the best breakfast burritos in Alpine.

yo soy Horsedooty!

you knew it was coming department:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE2fnYpwrng&feature=related

Craig,
Hillary is the one that has been siezing every opportunity to pounce on Obama for any little mistake. Let me give it to you from the horses mouth, or from an African American perspective. Hillary and Bill lost the African American vote in South Carolina and that has not changed. You can't blame blacks, Clyburn or anybody else for Bill Clinton sticking his foot in his mouth, and he continues to do that almost weekly.

The Clintons are powerhugry, cut throat politicians and have been malicious in their attacks against Obama. Attacks that go well beyond the issues. In the most recent debate for example, Hillary admited that regarding Bosnia that she had said things that she knew not to be the case, and she hoped voters could overlook that. In the next breath, she attacks Obama for the bitter mistatement. She wanted mercy for a lie while attempting to crucify Obama for a mistake.

What many whites miss is this. Obama is our brother. Even in your family you can fight with your own brother but when the kid across the street does something to your brother that is hurtful, thats a problem. That is what the Clintons have run into. Couple that with the fact that Barack's a viable candidate, and you have the answer to the Clinton's problem with African American voters. Clyburns remarks dont add to or take away from that equation no matter how you try to spin it Craig. I am African American, and discuss politics with family and friends on a regular basis. I know where of I speak.

That is the truth, from a black perspective. What better source!

Does hillary have any black supporters?

That is the truth, from a black perspective. What better source!

Posted by: andersting | April 25, 2008 7:02 PM

Picture please.

We all need to meet in Alpine, TX for breakfast burritos.

Stephanie Tubbs Jones and Maxine Waters have apparently been declared white.

"...McGovern led a commission to change the Democratic National Party’s approach to allocating delegates elected in state contests. The Party adopted the McGovern commission recommendations, abandoned a winner takes all approach to the state contests, and permitted states to allocate delegates according to a variety of formulas, each chosen by state parties themselves.

Whatever the intentions of the McGovern commission, the result was to create a process that made it more likely that the Democrat’s presidential nominee would be to the left of the party’s base and that meant being far to the left of most American voters.

Rather than return to the pre-Govern commission winner-takes-all approach, however, the party decided to introduce a different kind of check on its process. Balancing the legitimate concern of maintaining diversity of voice in state contests, the party introduced superdelegates, who were meant to block self-defeating nominees ..."

http://heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/

Sturg..I recognized myself in the video...the blonde with her back to the camera.

“African-American superdelegates are being targeted, harassed and threatened,” said Rep. Emanuel Cleaver II (D-Mo.), a superdelegate who has supported Clinton since August. Cleaver said black superdelegates are receiving “nasty letters, phone calls, threats they’ll get an opponent, being called an Uncle Tom.

“This is the politics of the 1950s,” he complained. “A lot of members are experiencing a lot of ugly stuff. They’re not going to talk about it, but it’s happening.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8762.html

" I said you are insensitive on the issue. "

And you are the only one capable of seeing and knowing all again without knowing anything about me or my life. It is amazing that you can accuse someone of insensitivity who has supported Rev. Wright, taken Gordo to task and innumerable messages indicating qualities I respected in your candidate.

This from the man who regularly insults and degrades others purely for pleasure. You may need to check your sensitivity detector.

I dont presume to speak for all blacks, but I am a black voter and I do have first hand knowledge with how many in the black community feel and the polls clearly reflect that a high percentage of blacks have left Hillary, present company included, for Obama.

I actualy started out supporting Hillary. The Clinton's have themselves to blame for my swithching. So.... I was merely attempting to shed some light on what many blacks are thinking and feeling about the election.... (get kinda tired of the white guys in the media telling me what I'm feeling about the election and why) Clearly a high percentage of Blacks support Obama just for the reasons I have stated. . But , for those of you who prefer to spin it and try to make it a Clyburn comspiracy..... I digress!!!! You probably believed Sadaam had WMD too.

Speaking of Heat Waves, Moonlight returns tonight. Mick St. John and vampire fans turn up your air conditioning.

Obama Co-Chair Jesse Jackson Jr. is THREATENING superdelegates (”Jesse Jackson Jr. Threatens Colleagues as Pandemonium Breaks Out Over Lewis“). Rep. Jackson is threatening to harm their own reelections!

“Many of these guys have offered their support to Mrs. Clinton, but Obama has won their districts. So you wake up without the carpet under your feet. You might find some young primary challenger placing you in a difficult position” in the future, he added. … (A.P./Google News)

Rep. John Lewis, the legendary Civil Rights hero, switched from Clinton to Obama, his staff told of immense pressure, and his district was blanketed with vicious robo-calls.

Sturgeone

Many black supporters including one of the most beautiful

http://womensspace.wordpress.com/2008/02/14/dr-maya-angelou-rise-hillary-rise/

“It was probably inevitable. The historic contest between a woman and an African-American for the presidential nomination is now all about white men.”

--Gail Collins

"I'm not going to rehash this with you. "

Of course not. You are hit and run. Statements with no proof. Claims without substance. When challenged on your behavior you either get all huffy and insulted about being so misunderstood or stalk off in a temper tantrum until you can't stand the absence of victims for your ugly blather to fill your empty life and are forced to return as if you never did a disappearing act.

nick,
you must be a Hillary supporter. Most understand exactly what I was saying. . If you didn't it's only because you dont want too. You accusing me of being racist doesn't change the fact that Obama is my brother. But if Hillary were being as nasty with a nice white guy, I'm pretty sure I would feel just the same. Hillary thinks being nasty and cut throat is the way to win, and as a registered voter I am tired of that kind of politics, and I know many that feel the same way. So.... sorry if you dont like it because Obama is my brother. If it eases your mind.... you can be my brother too.

Smooches:)!!!

Obama Snubs Black Media
Presidential Politics 2008 - Obama
Wednesday, 23 April 2008
by Betty Pleasant

The Black press is just as enthusiastic as African Americans in general at the prospect of a Black man becoming the next occupant of the White House. But Black newspaper owners also expected that they would be beneficiaries of what is already the most lavish campaign advertising budget in history: Barack Obama's bulging war chest. Instead, Black publishers say they have been locked out of Obama's advertising game plan - and even shunned in their attempts to cover the Obama operation. The Illinois Senator's handlers - and maybe the man himself - "think that we as black people are so anxious to get a black president that we'll support him no matter what," said one editor. "So why waste money on us?"

http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=599&Itemid=1

Jamie ------------------------------

Here is an update on that video we discussed a few days ago:

"Obama aide says he didn't mean to blaspheme Jesus

An Obama adviser denies he had blasphemous intent by including in his lectures a video of a 'gay' Jesus Christ sashaying nearly naked down a city street to the tune of Gloria Gaynor's "I Will Survive," only to get run over by a bus.

"I decided to stop using the video when one Christian whom I knew told me he thought it was unhelpful to the purpose for which I was using it," said Stanford University law professor Larry Lessig..."That seemed right, so I dropped it."

(Yes, I know it is WND)

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=62484

Obama supporter Russell Simmons said that there is a bottom-line assessment that Black people need to recognize: The approximately $240 million that Obama raised makes him "a controlled politician" (his words). Listen to how Simmons put it: "About one-fourth of his contributions came from small Internet donations, even though he collected more than any other democratic candidate from Wall Street people. At the end of the day, he is controlled too."
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_michael__080424_obamamania_3a_a_mixed_.htm

I thought it was timed to distract voters from the re-emergence of Reverand Wright on PBS Friday night.

Gordo

You may have been discussing it. I don't pay any attention to anything you post, so you are wasting your time directing the comments to me.

" I've explained many many times why I feel the way I do."

Why actually no you never have. You have accused. You have made statements as if they were fact. You have never posted a remark of mine that you find offensive. You have never once asked me anything about myself, my life, my attitudes about anything. You have never actually engaged in a conversationl. You just make judgements of no consequence comprised of empty noise.

Last Word (anybody taking bets on this)

While there, McCain sang along with the quilters, elders whose quilts have beem made through the years from cloth remnants, icons who have shown the world a swath of Deep South culture. McCain even bought three of the large quilts, writing a personal check for more than $14,000, according to published reports. On Monday afternoon, he went on to Birmingham for two fundraisers
http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/bawnews/movingamerica08/mccain424

When my best friends were going to college at Eastern Michigan University in Ypsilanti , Mi. I used to visit them a lot. I went to visit my friend on a Friday night and he suggested that we have dinner at the dining commons. We got our food and as we headed to a table two black girls walked by us. One of them was wearing a t-shirt that read: "Racism....It's a black thing , you wouldn't understand." What would she have said to me if I would have walked up to her and said , "Believe me , I understand what you are going through." I'm NOT black , so how could I understand what a black person has gone through? I can sympathize or be angry about it , but I will never know what it feels like. I have a black friend who used to tell me how he would go to the deli at the local grocery store and stand in front of the deli counter all by himself for 5-10 minutes while the workers in the deli basically ignored him. I don't think any white person should lecture another white person on the subject of raceial bias against african americans. Jesus wasn't gay , he just loved everybody. That was his thing.

Like his father and grandfather, McCain enrolled in the United States Naval Academy. There, he earned over 100 demerits. His reaction was that it was "bullshit."

But it was in his off-base activities that McCain truly excelled. According to one classmate, "being on liberty with John McCain was like being in a train wreck." It is unclear what being with McCain during his presidency would be like for the nation. Unfortunately, America has no direct experience from which to draw with a president who was a temperamental son of a distinguished military man and who in college was a temperamental fuckup who liked to party. What could possibly be so dangerous about that?

McCain graduated from the Naval Academy in 1958, ranked 894th out of 899. As historians have noted, there were five people in his class who were actually bigger fuckups than McCain, but none of them are running for president.

McCain, commissioned an ensign, spent two and a half years training as a naval aviator in Pensacola. There he earned a reputation as a party man, drove a Corvette, dated an exotic dancer named "Marie the Flame of Florida," and, as he would later say, "generally misused my good health and youth." But at least when it came to flying, he took his responsibilities seriously.

Just kidding. He didn't care about those either -- he was a below average flyer, and couldn't be bothered to read his aviation manuals. But, as many noted partying experts have asked, what good could possibly come of reading manuals? It's not like one might have a situation in which one's plane would quit while landing and crash into Corpus Christi Bay, or be flying too low in Spain and take out some power lines, or crash while en route to Philadelphia for an Army/Navy football game.

from JMac's dickipedia entry.

Jamie --------------------------

"I don't pay any attention to anything you post ..."

Question? How did you know to respond to my posts then and now? Did you read them - no. Maybe ESP? Please explain - this is mysterious. Twilight Zone!

McCain was a slacker?

Sturge , you are a voice of reason.

Thank you for this article. I thought I was alone in seeing that this is a political strategy.

I am black and I am voting for Hillary Clinton. I started out liking both, but it was Obama's campaign that turned me off starting in S.Carolina. I have no idea why so few see that the Obama's campaign (JJJr etc..) stirred up the anger against the Clintons to get votes.

I worry about the backlash against AA's. Things are tense enough. Barack Obama is dividing us.

Homer...what a great name for a cat. I admire RR for replacing her cat as soon as possible. I never replaced my cats, but did get a dog for my husband. A small dog...I guess like a cat dog. My husband really wants me to get a cat, but I still can't bring myself to do it. Grief cycle issues.

Isn't being President of the United States supposedly the most powerful job in the world? Don't you have to be a little power hungry to want that job?

Corey......well......way i figger it is if I was a voice of reason......I wouldnt be here.......but ok.....I like it.........I've got my reasons.......and I been known to get above my raisin...........

Olbermann just uttered a terse, stiff-lipped, obviously forced apology for his remarks the other night about some man taking Hillary into a room and showing her what's what.

So...I guess that clears that up. He painted some sort of sicko scenario with rape/domination overtones about a leading candidate for president on national TV, yes. But he apologized. So everything's okay now.

Next case.

Corey. You have the best stories from "real-life" of anyone on this blog. Has anyone ever told you that?

Welcome James - hope you stick around.

Gordo

REading your name is not the same as paying attention to or reading the links.

"Stephanie Tubbs Jones and Maxine Waters have apparently been declared white."

Michael Nutter too

msnbc has been taken over by the inmates.......those most irresponsible Ted Baxterish high profile figureheads who are being self-pompoused beyond their wildest dreams.....Abrams......Matthews........Beady-Eye......Carlson.......Olberman.......

and their minions..........Ms Mitchell.....David Gregory.....Mika........throw in all the peripheral usual suspects........Buchanan, Barnicle etc etc

I saw it in her eyes a bit this morning.......Amy Robach is backing stealthily towards the door........

The Detroit Free Press linked to an article the other day that was written by a Rocky Mountain News sportswriter. Here's the full article.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/apr/23/lincicome-hooeytown---it-will-be-avalanche-in/

President Clinton is adding more cities to his Oregon Schedule..

Tonight: North Bend on the Southern Oregon Coast
Saturday:
Junction City
Albany
Monmouth
McMinnville
Oregon City
Portland

I encourage people to attend these types of events. I have gone to many rallies for candidates I support and for those I don't. It is always interesting and you often learn something.

Clyburn, in the KO interview, insisted that he himself does not "necessarily" hold the view that the Clintons are deliberately destroying Obama and by extension the Democratic Party. He just says that's what people are telling him. Unnamed people. Amazing.

Also...KO didn't even ask Clyburn what it is that Bill Clinton is specifically doing, or that Hillary Clinton is specifically doing, that concerns these ostensibly "other people." Clyburn just repeated what he said during South Carolina -- that Bill Clinton just needs to "chill out."

Then KO referred back to the purportedly horrific Jesse Jackson comparison from going on three months ago, and cued the Gene Robinson soundtrack.

That was pretty much the sum of it. I hope I'm performing some sort of service to you folks by agreeing to watch Olbermann and reporting back the salient points. Because it's dirty, thankless work. I feel like I need to wear a Hazmat suit when I watch that show.

"Amy Robach is backing stealthily towards the door........"

Sturgeone that is hilarious. You have to post that message here:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/

"The Clinton's have themselves to blame for my swithching"

I sure would like to know specifics on what exactly they did/said that made this happen with links and complete quotes because to this day - aside from the Obama campaign propaganda taking quotes that had nothing to do with race and then telling the MSM they had everything to do with race and of course the MSM was all too happy to agree - I still don't have a clue as to what was said that was racist by the Clintons.

Have a good evening, all.

It just seems to me , that a lot of what is said by people on tv or on the internet is their own opinion. Just as that sports article link I posted was. But , that sportswriter got the Red Wings fans all pissed off. If that's what he was trying to do , mission accomplished. I was talking to my dentist yeterday about my Father. My Father often makes remarks to our dentist about him charging way too much money and that he wears a mask like bank robber. My dentist said to me, "Your Dad is a straight shooter. He doesn't pull any punches. I always know where I stand with him. I don't hold that against him." And all this time I just thought my Dad was being a jerk. The more you know.... Thanks LL. I just like your take on things , Sturge.

Corey, here's the secret of why your stories are so good. You are not the hero in any of them, or trying to be the hero, or trying to build yourself up in any way. You are just the normal person, the universal observer of life. That's what's so good about them.

Night Blondie. :)

If Amy is trying to escape, I'd never be the one to drop a dime on her.........

Maybe we could petition for the Amy and Craig show?

Jamie -------------------

"REading your name is not the same as paying attention to or reading the links."

Really? You get angry when not paying attention to or reading the links. Sure you don't sneak just a tiny peek? How did you know to respond to my last post with this post if you only read my name? Still don't understand how this is happening!

Thanks for the reporting Lardass...you are a braver watcher than I. I don't have the stomach for KO.

I am getting quite sick of this so called " race card " stuff.

I have not read the thread , I apologize for that, but can I say one thing.

Obama is a black man. There is no way around that. Hillary is a white female. I think that the voting public is well aware of those two facts.

So if anyone want to mention those two facts, so what!

He's black, she's white.....

Nick...you're certainly welcome. It truly is like radiation poisoning, watching that show. I really can only take it in 10 minute doses at a time.

I'm going to watch Bill Moyers/Jeremiah Wright next. Starts in just 7 minutes on the local PBS affiliate.

Giving up NBA Playoffs for just a night to do it.

Yep.....Im zeeeeroed in on the Rev and old Baptist Bill Moyers.......this should be good relaxiation........

Yep.....that man is strong......why'd he retire?

because they gave him a 1.6 million dollar house to retire

Gordo

You used my name. End of mystery. Other than passing by I just note it is the usual stuff and bypass.

I like him......he's got a lot on the ball.

Jamie --------------------------

"REading your name is not the same as paying attention to or reading the links."

"...I just note it is the usual stuff and bypass."

How do you know it's the usual stuff if you don't read it?

Oh get off it Gordo. The sources are what they are. Garbage.

I'm so glad that troubles dont last always........

I knew you couldn't resist.

Everyone knows Obama is going to have to reach out to women and get their support.

He needs a good theme song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyBffCiGr8c

Jack

Oh right Jack

Attract women with a song that says "thank heaven for little girls" :-)

Wow. That was a great interview. It really drives home what a funhouse-mirror world it is we live in, where media so easily shape and distort reality. The man is obviously anything but a "wackadoodle."

My questions:

--Why did it take Bill Moyers to do this? And why did it take this long? Was Wright simply refusing to see any reporters, or what? Couldn't someone like Tom Brokaw have done this back when the news was at its peak?

--Why did I, for the first time tonight, see footage from a 20-year-old Frontline documentary on Wright? (Did I just miss it before...lost somewhere between the millions of repetitions of the same 5-second clips?

I hate TV news. Forever.

This was a favorite "our song" song for a man who totally understood women

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPkDSTpiIps

Jamie -----------------------

"The sources are what they are. Garbage."

How do you know that the sources are garbage without checking them? Often, there are links within the articles to ABC News, CBS News, CNN, NYT, WP, LAT, etc. - wait, those are garbage sources - you are correct!

Jamie
Maybe it will get him the Texas polygamist vote;-)

Jack

Lard.....the firestorm started and everyone ducked for cover........if brokaw or someone had done it, it would have been "HARD HITTING" and "Brokaw speaks to the man who said GOD DAMN AMERICA" etc......

great interview.........

I like the pastor.....I'm still for hillary.

GORDO...why are you arguing with Jamie so much all of a sudden? You never interact with any of us, and now suddenly you are seeking communication, understanding and reconciliation?

It's like the spaceship has finally landed, the door has dropped open and GORDO his ownself is walking down the ramp to greet us. Or something like that.

LL

You just got a vision of Wright and the reason I have been defending him since all the brouhaha started.

Way back when Sen. Obama made his "race" speech my comment was that he missed the chance to really explain "liberation theology" to the rest of America and speak for the power that sometimes like any "ism" goes over the edge. Sen. Obama chickened out. He went for the political rather than the personal. While all the rest of the world was going gaga, I lost respect for him. It has never come back.

Sturge...I'm right there with you on both points. Amen.

I thought it would be "Forever In Blue Jeans" , Jamie. My Mom was a huge Neil Diamond fan!

Is that what you mean , LL?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWZo9rvWv_w&feature=related

Jamie...I understand what you're saying.

But I end up in the same place I always end up with these things. I don't blame Obama, because he's basically just a politician and he does what politicians always do. It's not really his job to explain Reverend Wright to the world.

Who I do blame are the news media, whose job it is to cover this shit and find the truth, especially when nothing less than the presidency is at stake. But the media does nothing but just replay the same video clips, over and over again...videos that amount to nothing more than dancing shadows reflected by flickering torchlight on the walls of our collective Cable TV cave.

That's why I'm so pissed.

Corey...LOL.

Hey Lard did you read that post on Huff Post about Keith Olbermann saying someone should take Hillary into a room and leave without her? Interesting comments there.

Carol

Lardass -
Thanks for taking on the god-awful task of watching KO and then reporting. I just can't stand watching myself. I even has to turn off Letterman a couple days ago, because KO was on.

Reverend Wright is able to compartmentalize Farrakhan's anti-Semitic views and his good works in prisons, getting AA men off drugs etc. However, many militant groups that preach hate do good works such as Hamas' schools, clinics and food banks. Some people do not condone this compartmentalization and this is the perception problem for Wright.

Nick...

I think a big part of Wright's point -- at least the way I heard it -- is that there's a lot of stuff that's right even though it's not written in the Bible. And a lot of stuff that's wrong, even though it is written in the Bible.

I thought it was a good interview. Maybe not the definitive treatment of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, as you say. But definitely a different view of him than we've had before. Even if that is "Rev. Wright In His Own Words" it's better than what we've gotten so far.

By the way Nick...are you from Jersey by chance?

LardassLiberal -----------------------

The campaign has put me in "Attack Mode". Nothing personal.

Nick...

I think a big part of Wright's point -- at least the way I heard it -- is that there's a lot of stuff that's right even though it's not written in the Bible. And a lot of stuff that's wrong, even though it is written in the Bible.

I thought it was a good interview. Maybe not the definitive treatment of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, as you say. But definitely a different view of him than we've had before. Even if that is "Rev. Wright In His Own Words" it's better than what we've gotten so far.

By the way Nick...are you from Jersey by chance?

LL

Of all the players in this mess, it really is the media I blame most (sorry about that Craig). They really have done a horrible disservice to the American public. during this primatry period. The glib and easy instead of the substantial and informative.

I know they have 15 minute repeating cycles with commercial schedules, but does that mean they have to repeat the same half truths every 15 minutes?

Morning Joe is on for three hours every day. They could have had the Reverend on and actually had a conversation with him. Pick and idea for each 15 minutes:

Bootstrap Economics
Pride of ethnicity
Anti Semetic causes
Heritage and Anger
Christianity vs. Muslim
Community Activism

If someone really wanted to do their homework, it would have made a great three hours, or spread it over a week.

Sorry about the double post, folks.

Carol...I'll check out the HuffPo thing. Thanks.

GORDO...even if you're in attack mode, I hope you don't get so mad you zap us all with your inter-galactic tractor beam. LOL

the reason the issue is pretty much now perhaps on its way to being defused is that they didnt RUSH to Scab-boro or any of those other ass clowns......it was good management and judgement.......great handling.

Jamie: Theological discussions don't sell commercials to Archer Daniels Midland or Proctor and Gamble.

Nick...I knew it!
The other night, when you used the word "Pennsy" for Pennsylvania. Only Jersey guys do that!!

but........how many goobers in america saw the bill moyers show? ya know, like what percentage of american tv viewers.......well.......the ones who didnt see it are going to be singing "Dod Gam Omerica" from dawn to dusk.....like he said....lotsa mericans think there was WMD and Saddam and Bin were buddies etc etc..........
oy.

but........how many goobers in america saw the bill moyers show? ya know, like what percentage of american tv viewers.......well.......the ones who didnt see it are going to be singing "Dod Gam Omerica" from dawn to dusk.....like he said....lotsa mericans think there was WMD and Saddam and Bin were buddies etc etc..........
oy.

He won't speak in front of real people that he wants to represent in fron of them about issues they consider important with his opponent in the room, but he will chat with a reporter who hates his opponent on a network that has been tearing her apart for more than a decade.

Nothing like diffusion
RIGHT

Sturg: That's my point. PBS watchers can handle theological discussions. Cable News? I don't think so. Ratings suicide. Not exactly appealing to advertisers. Did anybody watch that Faith Forum on CNN? What were the ratings like for that special?

Nick:

Aw shucks, I was hoping you were going to say from Oklahoma. My very first boyfriend when in 6th grade was named Nick....

Julie

Jamie ------------------------

"All you do is paste."

WRONG!!!

I could prove that by posting all my non-paste posts - but why bother. That's your story and you are sticking to it.

You still believe MSM?

LL

I agree with you about the media.
But the Obama campaign totally blew this one. This interview should have been done last fall. Obama knew Reverend Wright could be a problem but they just kept putting it off.

Imagine starting last October with a Bill Moyers softball lovefest , then Charly Rose and lastly 60 min with the personality interviews they do where they bring up a few embarassing things and pretend to be hard hitting but in the end let the subject charm the world. After that, it is over with. Hey, 60 min exposed the story, it was expained, no more story.

But not now, it is much harder to make it go away.
This is where I really had to question the political savey of Team Obama. And they have been making even more screwups in the last months.
They don't seem to get the big picture. The true goal is to be President, not just Democratic nominee.

Jack

When Jamie and Gordo fight, it's like Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor in "Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolfe?"

(Jamie...that's your cue to throw your scotch-on-the rocks in Gordo's face, fling your feather boa around your shoulder and head back to the bar to mix another one!)

I am in the minority here but I think it was smart of Obama to go on with Chris Wallace. However, I don't see any correlation between an interview and a debate with your opponent. And it certainly isn't going to diffuse anything in North Carolina and Oregon. These folks want a debate and I believe Obama will agree to at least one.

The DNC is methodically plotting their coronation of their King, voters be damned. He can afford to do a debate because it really doesn't matter what the rest of the voters have to say...the nomination is secure.

Nick: I have a funny feeling Chris is going to be sweet to Obama. I don't know why...call me kooky.

Jack...I agree with you on the tactical blunders on this by Obama, and I agree that your plan would have been brilliant. Hell...you ought charge him for that advice.

But again, politicians screwing up isn't what gives me heartburn so much. It's when journalists don't do their basic jobs. They shouldn't have to be "fed" these stories by the campaigns or by polemicists like Hannity. They should go dig them up and fully explore them on their own.

Ally:

Do not be too smug about that nomination being secure. "It ain't over till the fat lady sings". Lots can happen in a little over a month..

Do not count out Clintons.

Julie

Sturge
Good point, not many people watch Bill Moyers but they did do a good job of advertising it. So maybe there is a bit larger audience.
That said it will take more than one interview and one of them will have to be respectable mainstream broadcast tv. I don't count any cable show as respectable right now.

Jack

Classic Liz and Dick:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nInE5TITzE8

Julie: Dean and Pelosi make it pretty hard for me to believe that there is any chance they hold the will of the people (Democrats in particular) in high regard. Or, that they know how to win an election. I agree with Craig: Apparently the new definition of Winning is Being Ahead.

sorry to butt in ----- but

summertime

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yKgAEkCKxY

Corey

That song has a great story behind it. The gentleman in question was a musician. He would describe Neil Diamond as "four chords and a hook" and then be put in circumstances where he had to play loads of Neil Diamond songs. For years we looked for an "our song" that worked and I called him after almost a decade and said, "You are going to hate this, Neil Diamond wrote it". It became a major favorite and there is a voice other than Diamond's that I hear every time it is played.

This interview with Wright came out exactly as I predicted. I agree with much of what he has said. I still don't think it is Obama's turn to be president. Wait your turn son. Hillary will keep the seat warm for you.

Carol

I made the comment a while back that I thought Pelosi might be vying for VP - and it was brought up on the list again today. She is pushing Bo really hard. She certainly did not do the job in the house that she was put in the speakers position to do. Perhaps she knows if BO is not elected she may well lose her house position..& all that power.. I thought Dean was a Hillary Delegate. But it sure does not appear to be..

Julie

Burrito

With that song I guess I'll say goodnight.

Bill moyers is on the local station guess I'll go see whats the big deal. ;-)

Jack

Weird song lyric of the night:

Is it turkey sausage or real bacon?

(Jamie...that's your cue to throw your scotch-on-the rocks in Gordo's face, fling your feather boa around your shoulder and head back to the bar to mix another one!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7llu2aQRSQ

Night all. Gotta get up early in the moanin.
Enjoyed the interlude. It was fun.

Ahh....Lady Day will sing me to sleep. Thanks Jamie!

Julie: We used to have a crazy aunt who called us from the loony bin (literally.) She would say to my grandmother, "There's somethin' funny goin' on." You can say that twice and mean it.

takes nick awhile to get up to speed but then look out........

Anybody else looking for a conversation?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASKZLGwAdcw

Bluesman's epitaph: I didnt wake up dis mornin'.

I was born at night , but it wasn't LAST NIGHT!

Dr. Who and Moonlight.

Great writing and gorgeous men. I'm happy Goodnight all.

Well now the truth finally comes out.

Obama is dividing us. I knew it wouldn't be long before it was all the black mans fault.

I pretty much said that earlier that if Hillary got the nomination and lost the Hillary supporters would whine that the black man cost Hillary the election and now its out in the open.

By the way did you hear that major sports are changing the rules of the game in the middle and end of the season.

In Basketball now the winner will be determined not by which team has the most points, but by which team makes the most free throws.

Baseball is doing the same thing in a way. Now the team who has the most hits after nine innings will have won the game instead of the team who has the most runs.

And for the Football season its been suggested that the winner should be who gets the most yards instead of points at the end of the fourth quarter.

This should make for an interesting sports season, don't you agree? After all Hillary supporters don't believe in following the rules that are laid out before the start of the game.

Hillary like Obama signed off on the rules and agreed to them. Now when Obama is ahead she wants to change the rules in the middle of the game saying all votes should count.

How about those who didn't vote because they were told the vote wouldn't count because the States broke the rules that were agreed to I believe in August of 2007. What about their votes? That's right, Hillary didn't care about their votes until she found she was not going to be anointed Queen.

By the way at the end of March Hillary was 15 Million in debt which includes the 5 Million she loaned her campaign and not the 10 Million she claims. So the 10 Million she raised only covered part of her debt and not the whole debt.

Let her spend some of hers and Bill's 109 Million Dollars just like Romney used his own money to finance his campaign.

But that's right, to all you Hillary supporters its the Black Man's fault she's doing so badly that she's losing. Not hers and the way she ran her campaign.

Its not worth commenting here anymore since even though walls have ears they still don't hear anything.

God Bless.

FYI...

I brought home a 8 1\2 year old female cat by the name of Baby today. If I ever get a adapter or charger for my camera I take a pic and post it on my site.

God Bless.

Congratulations on your new Baby AP! Meow!

Congratulations, AP!

Ally and Flatus...

Thank you and ...

God Bless.

AP -----------------------

I've been thinking about you - glad you got Baby.

People here in Oregon are very excited about President Clinton's seven cities tour in 24 hours.

His presidency was very good for our state and we appreciate him very much.

I'm attending the Portland appearance.

Have fun OD! Get there early!

Good suggestion Ally..

On the news tonight,they interviewed people in Monmouth, home of Western Oregon University.

The people they interviewed said Democrats,Independents,Republicans, everybody is excited. No one can remember an American President ever visiting this small university town.

We did lots of telephonig today telling people about the visits..Strangely, virtually everyone knew about it ..It is the buzz of the Willamette Valley .

It is a good thing Bill likes to talk so much. Can you imagine having to visit 7 different cities and then talk in each one. Has to be tiring..

Julie

I actually have nothing to contribute to the conversation, I think all minutia has been explored, so at this point it is just splitting hairs.

Remember, in the end the is only one candidate that wins.

But for the rest of us, we have to wait and see if we have actually "won."

There is no free pass or magic pill.

Baroooock bock bock

Before I hit the hay once again thank you to all from Ginger.

GORDO...

Thank you.

Good night all and ...
God Bless.

wow

Are we in middle school now???

GGGGs US

Sorry,

I had an out-burst......

But really - everyone has a right to their opinion - try to respect that

for instance: I think the 4 out of 5 people are assholes

Anon...

Can't wait to 'meet' Baby! Congrats!

2 out of 5

Craig, you are exactly right about Rep. Clyburn. He thinks marginalizing Bill Clinton will be the shot that kills both Clintons'. Somebody needs to call the Obama Campaign on this . I am incensed myself that Obama's ego-mania that he is ready to be president has caused African Americans to desert the Clintons' then blame them for it - eventhough Jesus Christ could not get a vote if one of their own is running . What did they expect - a cakewalk, that Hillary would just step aside and let Obama have it. Insane. The Obama Campaign has been playing the race card since New Hampshire. David Axelrod who also ran the Massachusettes Governor's campaign, used the same tactics in that campaign. A white person who says anything negative, is then accused of racism, like Geraldine Ferrar - which is ludicrous. We have all been the liberals, speaking up for injustices suffered by black people. Every tactic possible is being used to threaten people if Obama does not win - all the young people will lose interest. What about Hillary's supporters who are a much larger number who say we will NOT vote for Obama if he is the nominee. If I can survive my devastation when McGovern lost and stay interested in politics, so can these followers of this almost cult-like leader. I am really, really, infuriated about what is being said about the Clintons'. Isn't it enough that the black voters have completely deserted them? Charges of racism is completely outrageous. Somebody needs to investigate the Obama Campaign for playing the race card and blaming the Clinton's. One of your bloggers put the website for the Sean Wilentz piece in the New Republic which talks about the Obama campaign playing the race card and blaming Bill Clinton. That was quite eye-opening.

I also heard that in golf , the person who wins the tournament is the person with the lowest score , not the highest score!

LaL,
Don't sweat the double posts, shit happens to the best of us.

LaL,
Don't sweat the double posts, shit happens to the best of us.:)

baroooock bock bock..what a chicken

barooock bock bock

President Clinton is adding more cities to his Oregon.

OD , please do your civic duty and tell everyone so they can hide the women and lock up the girls . a lecher is coming to town.

Darn. I'm buried at the end of this thread.

But, Craig, I wanted to thank you for answering my questions about the
Clyburn Effect in this morning's previous thread. I never thought you'd
acknowledge me.

It was smart of you to post your comments about Clyburn and to continue this
important topic--that of race baiting by Obama's campaign, (although you didn't call it that). You're so right that accusing President Clinton of being a racist has worked beautifully for Obama. The media seems to love to demonize Bill Clinton. I don't understand why. The irony of all this is that Bill Clinton was the first world-famous, U.S., white politician to so openly embrace the African American community. In the 90s, he was labeled the first black president. But, it makes sense that Camp Obama would have to destroy Bill Clinton's reputation with blacks, so that AAs would abondon him in favor of Obama. Going into North Carolina, Clyburn's nasty racial accusations against
President Clinton are sure to help Obama add to his already sizable lead.

This is one of those rare days when I really haven't had much to say ! I think Clyburn is an idiot to raise the race issue again because it's not a discussion middle America wants to confront. I think middle America can find it easier to support Barack Obama the candidate who is 1/2 black, than they can support Barack Obama the Black candidate who surrounds himself with Black nationalists and activists. In the beginning I thought Barack had this right. I don't think the Farrakan and Wright controversies have served him well. Clyburn's comments will, in my humble opinion, create a backlash because it again creates the impression he is the candidate of African-Americans, and not the candidate of all Americans. I don't think Clyburn will destroy Barack's chances to garner the nomination; it is still his to lose. But I do think comments like his will play out poorly in the general election.

In the same way, Hillary should not present herself as "the woman candidate" but a candidate who is a woman. Fortunately Hillary has largely avoided this, but the risk is always there that she will be perceived as just a woman candidate (which for me is great by the way but I am not indicative of middle America).

And I wish someone would get Alexis Carrington to Washington DC to "bitchslap" Nancy Pelosi. She's like a broken record that cannot stop... Who cares if she doesn't like a Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton ticket? How many times has she blathered about this now? 3? 4? -- I don't think it does much to add to the discussion on trying to find cohesion and unity between the supporters of Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton !!

Here's a great example...Just pretend Linda Evans is Hillary Clinton and Joan Collins is Nancy Pelosi, at a DNC high class party down by the Lily Pond !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELzjQ8F_2gE

Good Morning ,

BBC had this article on Obama.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/7362037.stm

Julie

saturday morning and everyone is out of gas.....lol

I'm troubled over Obama's campaign. The way he's run it.

first time I've ever seen a john wayne movie with roy rogers and gabby hayes innit........weird........

it's all pretty gruesome

Gabby Hayes? Yeah , I know him. My Dad used to love John Wayne movies. He used to ask me "Do you remember so and so , he used to be in a lot of westerns. He died today."

I'm still troubled by the Rev Wright thing. Here's the tie-in to the campaign. It's Mrs Obama's "For the first time in my adult life" remarks that seemed to emerge from Mr Wrights Black Liberation Theology.

I think within his household the pastor's effect has gone far beyond the archaic theology that the Obama campaign has sought to portray it.

And I can't help but think that he may not really be carrying a post-racial message. Which doesn't make him a bad human being.

had an uncle who was partial to Wild Bill Elliot movies........

Hell , my Dad thinks Tom Selleck makes a good cowboy! LOL!

I think youre right, Flate........the gop will find just the right way to present all the nuances......so that it comes out very damaging......

selleck made a good Hawaiian P.I. but I'm not so sure about cowboy.....lol.... for one thing Wouldnt he be too big for the horse?

I don't know. My Dad loved all the westerns he made starting with Quigley Down Under.

Corey/Sturgeone

Amanada McBroom wrote a great song about her father who was a B movie actor. If you have never heard it and have or have a daughter, listen to the lyrics

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85IxNVwpKrs

Hmmm I'm disappointed. I thought someone would find the Alexis and Krystle cat fight amusing... Not many Dynasty fans here probably :D

have or ever have

Sturgeone

Selleck is an excellent horseman. At least he was in the mid eighties and as far as I know he still has the ranch in Thousand Oaks. There was a major fire there, but the buildings and animals were safe.

Here's an interesting link. Lots of comments , too.

http://pantagraph.com/articles/2008/04/18/opinion/letters/131156.txt

I liked Selleck even though he is a staunch Repub. Grows a great mustache.

yo soy Horsedooty!

And that eyebrow thing , too! LOL!

I always thought Selleck was a hottie..

Good news! The Cleveland Indians will be on national TV today and tomorrow. They've been my team forever. I even remember when they won the World Series after beating you-know-who for the pennant. Go Indians!

american league 1948

This silly blog should know when I'm trying to google rather than comment.

I think the Mariners tied them at 116 in 2001 , but they didn't make it to the World Series , so nobody even remembers.

Never new they held it. I bet they might hold it for the most losses. Oh well, they're still my team. Even if I don't know the cast of characters.

"I liked Selleck even though he is a staunch Repub"

I'll forgive a man anything who is willing to get on a dance floor. He also happens to be a really nice guy.

The Republican bit (moderate) is mostly leftover from his dad and Woodland Hills Chamber of Commerce not to mention his degree as an accountant.

good take on Clyburn ...i've always said Obama is very good at playing the race card..but his strategy to bring out Wright is Wrong

I think there has been too much made of the race card.The real reason this race is so heated is because for the first time there is a viable woman running for pres.,something we women want to see in our lifetime.Something we never really thought much about until now.And it was almost a given until Barrack entered the race.There was no chance for a republican to get in.Being that Barrack is black it then became a race between a black man or a woman which split the vote in half.If he had been white the AA's would not have voted for him enmasse because the Clinton's were liked by them and she would have been way ahead.Barrack is just another man,another one of the good old boys.A lot of us women resent the fact that he is taking our one chance away.And that is why we will never vote for him.I am sure black women feel the same way about men thinking they are superior to women but they are in a dilema because it is also the chance for the first AA to be pres.It is just too bad they both are choosing the same year to run
Ruth

Flatus,

The Tribe's 111 wins in 1954 was the record for about 40 years, but today I'm rooting for their opponent.

Jamie,

Please put me down for Court Vision. Don't know anything about the horse, but it was the best part of my game---back when I had a game.

Ed, everybody has to have their own personal team. I deed the Yankees to you.

Ruth, it's not just the women who are upset. There are a fair number of men who don't believe their manhood will be diminished by having a woman president.

And, woman have to remember, no matter what their ethnicity, that their husbands aren't allowed to look over their shoulders as they vote!

I also don't think the reverand wright thing is so bad.The media has made it worse than it really is.I think a lot of middle class people of all races feel that way sometimes because the people in power do not really care about he working class.Not until they need our votes.The powerful just want to be more powerfull and could care less about the struggles of the rest of us.And when Wright said God Damn America I don't think he was talking about the people but the government.
Ruth

To the dinner Craig Crawford will go,
Ferg'son should be a good show,
but be careful, please, of the appletinis
and on Monday tell us what you know.

Have fun!

EdVb

I have you down for Court Vision. If you want to see him, here he is

http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2008/contenders/court-vision

another thing,I consider my husband a bigot,but he unlike me will vote for Obama because he does not want to see another Republican in office.And Flatus I am glad to hear you are willing to support Hillary You must be under the age of 60.
Ruth

Where's Patsi?

Flatus
You hit it on the head what you said about looking over the shoulder when we vote .That is why Caucuse should be abolished.There are many women who would vote the way their husbands want in order to avoid problems at home.And lots of voters are bullied into voting against their own preferences.
Ruth

Ruth

I think Flatus may be the oldest of the old farts club on this site.
He has me beat by a few years.

Jack

To get completely off the subject. I need advice from the legal minds.I got a jury summons from the Federal Court in Chicago.I live a hundred miles away and will not drive in the city.I live in a rural area by choice so I won't have to go to the cities.I got this yesterday and my blood pressure has been soaring because of the stress.What can I do short of cutting my wrists or moving to another countyThere are too many murders in that city for me to go their alone and not knowing exactly where I am going.Why can't the courts supply transportation if they insist we make that unsafe trip.
Ruth

h

Ruth

Here is the contact information for Cook County

Telephone Number: (312) 603-JURY [5879]
Fax Number: (312) 603-5460
TDD/TTY: (312) 603-6109
E-Mail: Juryadm@cookcountygov.com

There may be an exclusion for distance, age, health etc. You might as well go direct to get a ruling.

"You hit it on the head what you said about looking over the shoulder when we vote .That is why Caucuse should be abolished."

Ruth, you couldn't be more right. From your mouth to the DNC's ears.

I still can't follow the blog after I post even tho tech checked it out so I have to post blind lol
Ruth

Jamie,

Time to run out for a game.

Thank you for the picture. Just as I suspected, "big brown." Glad to see he's already won at Churchill Downs. I'll take that as a good omen.

See you all much later.

Thanks Jamie,
The age exclusion is 70.I am 68.They don't care about distance.I do take care of my brother who has alzheimers amd I have tp feed him and make sure he takes his meds 3 times a day.Don't know if they will accept that as an excuse.
Ruth

h

There used to be a saying that this is a free country.You don't have to do anything except death and taxes.They can also add jury duty to the list.
Lol.
ruth

Hi again, It is a warm sunny day in beautiful Ghent Belgium... and what am I doing? Washing clothes (in cold water temperatures to use less energy), cleaning my study, and watching the old Mary Tyler Moore Show on the DVDs I bought from Amazon.

Corey I checked out your website. Is that you in the one photo at a hotel?

Ruth my stepmother's mother used to say that the only thing you have to do is die and pay taxes. She also said that it costs nothing to keep yourself clean. I have found the last part to be totally untrue! soap, water, moisturizers, shampoos, wash clothes and towels, etc. etc. etc. I never understood why she said that! Anyway... I may have said this before, but a friend of mine is a children's librarian in the Anoka Country Library system.. (that's Minnesota). She has this bumper sticker that says "I Gladly Pay Taxes - America is Worth It". Interesting viewpoint, and I rather agree...

I am glad to see others noting what I called "the sentinel effect" (looking over the shoulder while voting) I felt was a big factor in the caucuses going to Obama, not to be "outed" as a Hillary-supporter. That started his momentum which carried over into the primary states.

Ivy a girl I knew from college in Olympia Washington went to her caucus and said she and her friend were like 2 of the 3 or 4 Clinton supporters there. She said it was "typical Olympia, so much White Guilt about everything". Ironically, she said, the only Hillary supporter who was there, besides them, was an African American man waving a Hillary sign.

will check back later

Yes, the MSM grills Clinton and overlooks the remarks from the Obama camp as Blacks already voted 92% for Obama in Penn. Racists are going to vote McCain anyway....LOL And those damn racists for for Hillary in Penn!

I find the fear-mongering/race playing from Obama disgusting. I suggest the following is the only way for Democrats to salvage a victory;

http://stubbornfacts.us/politics/2008_election/the_late_and_unlamented#comment-14201

Include Florida and Michigan, get real and have Obama step aside. Wright said it best a day ago that Obama says what ever a politician feels necessary to get elected. The stories will keep coming and with Obama at the head, Democrats are destined to snatch defeat from victory.

Only a candidate wearing a $1000 suit would stand in a gas station trying to appeal to blue collar workers as he claims others like Hillary are the cause of rising gas prices. He knows, of course, how many executives from Big Oil contributed to his camapign including the nefarious Auchi (Saddam's oil money). And small wonder why the Obama camp declared racists would vote Republican as McCain was visiting poor Black areas in Katrina land.

Obam has shown us all how to go from the high road to the low road and I am waiting for the gutter next.

Amazing, just amazing.

Max, if he's paying $1000, then he's getting them off the rack.

But, I would like to watch him check his oil or fill his windshield washer, or check his tire pressures. All of which Stinky did up to the time she turned-in her license. But, then she is WOMAN.

NEW THREAD

E-Tom:

I would love to visit beautiful Belgium. Have only set foot there once and that was no farther than the airport terminal. I'll get there again one day. It's warm and sunny here in San Diego too. We're visiting for the week - arrived just as the tragic shark attack news was breaking, and that's what they're talking about locally. Beaches are closed. It's such a remote risk, but still taps a primal fear...

Corey, the only "dems" concerned about how the Clintons have run their campaign are Obama supporters. No one is perfect. But when you have Moveon.org organizing the caucus states, people who have never participated in the nominating process taking over, high black voter states going 90% for their candidate, it is freightening to say the least. We ALL want change - Hillary IS a "Change" agent - just tell me anything going on now with the Bush Administration that she or Bill are out there pusing?? None of it. Obama is not only a change agent, he is a "secret" agent whose credentials are very unimpressive after you get past his education. If Hillary or any other woman were to offer similar credentials like BO as a reason to be the president of the most powerful nation on earth, she would be laughed off the political stage BY women. So, get over the idea we are supporting her because she is a woman. The only way HE has gotten away with this is he is a well-spoken, well educated black man with that little whistle in his voice when he says, "Votes" or any other word ending in an "s" and that is mistaken for brilliance! - a common error. I understand the black community voting for BO, I even understand immature college students who know nothing about life, but I do NOT understand the college educated, young professionals who are willing to go over a cliff with this guy. He cannot bring working class people to the GE, he will not get women over 50 who make up a huge part of the electorate he needs, he cannot bring Catholics or other religious voters because people don't even believe he is a "real" Christian and due to his moslem family connections (his father's family). He has the black vote and the Star Bucks crowd period. Super Delegates, I hope you are listening. If you choose Senator Obama, you are forming a suicide pack. My favorite part of politics is the strategy which I always study. We can never win with this candidate. Fran SC

I'm new here and thought I had posted a comment Friday night but don't see it. Is this just the norm? Anyway, it's nice to see there are so many people out there who can talk and argue about these things without getting sicko. It's also a surprise to see how many people have had the same thoughts I have and used the same reasonings - I feel a little alone at times. I'm for Hillary but will vote for Obama in order to save the supreme court, altho I'm afraid he will appoint a conservative pro-lifer as a sop to the reps to show what a unifier he is!

Craig,

You accuse Clyburn of being biased toward Obama. Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black because you certainly are biased toward Clinton.

No one played the "race card" on Clinton. Bill and Hilary got their own selves in trouble by the statements and comments they have made and continue to make. But anytime someone raises the unfairness and biased edge of Clinton's ads or statements, they are wrong. Bill and Hilary need to stop whining and take responsibility for their own actions and words. If they had not okayed the biased ad that appeared in South Carolina, no one would have had anything to say.

And for the record, Hilary is getting a pass from the media regarding her own questionable linkages to controversial spiritual leaders. The Clintons not only invited Rev. Wright to the White House for Prayer Breakfasts but they actually used both Jesse Jackson and Billy Graham as spiritual advisors. They used Jesse AFTER he made his controversial statements about Jews and used racial epithets. But the media isn't questioning her about this, are they?

Billy Graham has made his share of controversial and incendiary statements but the Clintons aren't being questioned about using him as a spiritual leader, are they?

John Hagee has made plenty of incendiary statements. But McCain isn't being hounded by the press over his linkage with Hagee.

One may argue that Graham and Jackson at least (not Hagee) made their controversial statements years ago. Well, so did Jeremiah Wright.

I want to say that I felt as a citizen that Clyburn is going out of his way to rile up the black community. Could it be that NC might be alot closer than he wants? After this weekend and Monday - Rev Wright - I am 90% sure that Hillary is going to get the nomination. If the delegates are that scared of Obama and his crew then we are in alot of trouble.

Mr. Crawford;
James Clyburn's remarks about the Clintons damaging Obama so badly that he wouldn't be able to win in the fall - alibis, alibis, It's just what a coach, who knew he was going to lose the game would do,"well, we could've won but the other side broke our star's foot", and all because Bill Clinton is so ungrateful, so much for being the first "black" president, we can see how much loyalty that got him. It was a good thing for Obama that his mouthy wife was there to put the Rev. Wright controversy to bed, Now we know how she keeps her "dog on the porch", she's had him neutered.