This morning, when I opened my mail, there was a message forwarded from my good friend George Z Bush, a three war veteran in his mid-80s who was just elected to his town council in coastal North Carolina.
I think George's email is instructive and has a connection to what we are now seeing in the primaries. Without further ado, here is what he sent me:
"Mrs. Davidson's dishwasher quit working. She called a repairman but he wasn't able accommodate her with an evening appointment.
Since she had to go to work the next day, she told him, "I'll leave the key under the mat. Fix the dishwasher, leave the bill on the counter and I'll mail you the check. By the way, don't worry about my Doberman. He won't bother you. But, whatever you do, ...do NOT under any circumstances talk to my parrot!"
When the repairman arrived at Mrs. Davidson's apartment the next day, he discovered the biggest and meanest looking Doberman he had ever seen.
But just as she had said, the dog just lay there on the carpet, watching the repairman go about his business. However, the whole time he was there, the parrot drove him nuts with his incessant yelling, cursing, and name-calling.
Finally the repairman couldn't contain himself any longer and yelled, "Shut up, you stupid ugly bird!" To which the parrot replied, "Get him, Spike!""
Well it looks like the Nazi's in the White House won't have any safe haven to hide out in very soon.
Der Fuhrer Adolph Bush bought property in Paraguay which is famous for allowing Criminals and Nazi's hide out in as they have no extradition treaty with us or many other countries.
* The Cuban news service reports that George W. Bush has purchased 98,840 acres in Paraguay, near the Bolivian/Brazilian border.
* Jenna Bush paid a secret diplomatic visit to Paraguayan President Nicanor Duarte and U.S. Ambassador James Cason. There were no press conferences, no public sightings and no official confirmation of her 10-day trip which apparently ended this week.
* The Paraguayan Senate voted last summer to “grant U.S. troops immunity from national and International Criminal Court (ICC) jurisdiction.”
* Immediately afterwards, 500 heavily armed U.S. troops arrived with various planes, choppers and land vehicles at Mariscal Estigarribia air base, which happens to be at the northern tip of Paraguay near the Bolivian/Brazilian border. More have reportedly arrived since then...
Actually, AP, the old practice followed by most South American countries of granting amnesty to dictators of neighboring countries went a long way in minimizing the bloodshed that would have occurred in violent changes of government.
(1) Too much analysis of polls and not enough thought about the significance of the HUGE crowds Obama attracts.
(2) Craig defends Stephanopoulos & Gibson for their wretched debate saying, "they were just doing their jobs." Voters want to hear about substantive issues not flag pins, no matter what the MSM mindset is.
(3) Rove's Marxian comments. Republicans are afraid of Obama so Rove is trying to help Clinton win the primary.
Clinton on Olbermann tonight. That should be interesting. He has turned into such an ass about her campaign, I wonder if he will keep it up to her face.
BlueinDallas: Yes, Craig needs to get on MOJO immediately. Schuster's talking points fell flat this morning and Joe was more than a little dismissive. Ouch.
Jamie: Frankly I was surprised to see her going on KO. On the other hand, you have to give her credit for at least attempting to make inroads with the voters she doesn't have.
Hillary over the weekend: "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. And I'm comfortable in the kitchen."
Ah, those tricky Clintons, so clever with words. Notice that she doesn't actually say that she COOKS anything. When she says she is "comfortable in the kitchen" she means she likes to go there and watch the SERVANTS work.
Fact: Since Bill became governor, they have had servants. She probably hasn't boiled an egg since the 1980s.
Nash-The kitchen comments are a metaphor. Do you think HST boiled eggs? Do you think Obama Cooks? My , the Obamas are getting agitated anticipating tomorrows results. What is up with taking a shot at HRC not boiling eggs? Is that all you got?
I imagine that Hillary will be very well prepared for what every nasty things KO will throw at her. I have a feeling she will be very "presidential" with humor, as that show really isn't prim and proper, but more of a joke.
Jamie & Flatus, Can't you still hear KO's ridiculous rant about Ferraro? What an ass he made out of himself. I guess he is trying to keep his job not DO his job.
AP, the dictator that comes to mind when I think about Paraguay is Alfredo Stroessner.
He of course was an active participant in accepting exiled dictators and he benefited from that practice when it was his turn to be ousted.
Stroessner on, I think it might have been Wednesdays, used to hold 'court' for any citizen who wanted to petition the government. That populist touch was appreciated.
And, of course, there was the Peron exile to Spain and Baby Doc's to France, etc.
Serious question. Why is it necessary to take pot shots at Sen Clinton for no reason whatsoever? Has she every personally injured you, your family, or the country that you find it necessary to be so hateful?
Can just see Bill off to the side of the set, watching every single word spoken, secret service swarming. KO will be on his best behavior, if not, the network will feel the wrath one more time.
My point was that Hillary's "kitchen" comment needs to be parsed, like everything the Clintons say. And yes, I think both of the Obamas cook. They haven't reached the lofty heights of the super-rich Clintons.
For goodness sake, CHELSEA probably has servants. The Clintons don't want the rednecks in western PA to know all this and, of course, the MSM never talks about it either.
But why not? It's at least as important as flag pins.
If you, and your candidate can't stand the heat...etc.
I started going negative on Hill/Bill when they and their surrogates started uttering racist code words after losing S.C.
You know, the racist code words that you and the other Hillary supporters can't seem to hear.
YOUR CANDIDATE'S STRATEGY SINCE IOWA HAS BEEN: SWIFTBOATING.
So stop whining. Grow up. You need to get these issues out in the open now, so they won't come up in the general. (OK. I've run out of rationalizations.)
The point is that you don't know. It is just saying mean things to be mean with no other purpose. I can say that Obama seemed snarky to me with his "brush off" comment, but that was a specific action that bothered me.
You could say that a wealthy politician talking about cooking seemed rather corny and forced, but why attack her as a human being?
As to the Obama's living conditions, when not compaigning they both have high powered jobs, are millionaires and have two children in private school. Chances are there is at least a nanny in that configuration somewhere just to make all the schlepping around work.
*chuckle*
Do you expect a truthful answer to that question?
The truth would be he does it because he has nothing of substance to offer. But Nash is not searching for truth or substance. like any 13 yr old adolescent, he is just searching for attention.
I really don't get it - how can people in a national survey change their minds to the tune of 10% or so in 6 days? Crappy answers in the debate? Maybe, but I don't think that would be enough - particularly since the slide was a 1-2% per day drop. I suppose the patina just isn't holding up so well with Obama getting the same or similar treatment the press has reserved for Clinton for the past 3 months.
Mika was particulary nitwitty this morning - somehow thinking that tossing down boilermakers is just too contrived, while apparently bowling, while wearing a tie and dress shirt isn't. Even Joe was mocking her this morning. It appeared to me at least that Hillary knew what she was doing in that bar. And was it contrived? You bet - just like every other campaign appearance either candidate has made.
Keeping an eye on the market - I don't expect things to look as peachy this week as they did last. Bank of America's report today is getting the week off to a bad start. - profits were about half what analysts thought they would be and oil just went over $117.
Amazing how the Obama supporters get ABLAZE ... have to laugh at this.
Calm down people....We know you are getting nervous, like your leader....We know, but clam down...take a beer, I mean a sip..
You know,
I watched a program a week ago, I was on a business trip in Frankfurt. The program was about how and when the campaign turned negative.
They went back to September 2007.... Amazing!
Anyway,
15+ for HRC tomorrow
Mark My Words.......
The start of the turnback has begun of March 4th. If PA was a week after that we would be singing a whole different tune now. Unfortunately we had to wait for six weeks. Nevertheless we are almost here. Gear up HRC gang, we getting there
As I noted earlier, just go to Huffingtonpost.com for a whole bunch of anti-Hillary critiques. There you will find the "Democratic wing" of the Democratic party.
I'm not sure what the Clintons are, but they sure as hell aren't Democrats.
Jack, I don't think nash is as you think he is. He's like many of the posters here, intelligent, in the tank for a candidate, and willing to go snarky at the drop of a hat.
As I said earlier, I will hold discontinue the ban with Larry King and watch his program, seen as HRC will be there. After tonight the ban will continue.....
You are right. I haven't heard any racist CODE words. I've heard analysis when race has had an effect or been an issue in the campaign, but nothing negative thrown at Sen. Obama because of his race.
What is wrong with saying that people who share his racial heritage are proud of him and have tended to vote as a block. Women have done the same for Hillary if not in as great a percentage.
Or I can say that race gave him an opening at national office that might not have existed for another six to ten years otherwise. Is there something you object to about that?
Swiftboating. There has been some far right garbage with the whole Muslim, flag pin, pledge blah blah but that didn't come from the Clinton campaign. There are some questions about Wright and Rezko (not Ayers) that I consider legitimate areas to question, but so far I haven't seen anything more than questions, and Sen. Obama has answered those with saying his judgement might have been poor (Rezko) or response not been strong enough (Wright)
It seems to me that the media is making a negative climate with the constant repetition of single remarks and that it is the 24 hour noise machine more than any actual actions on both sides.
Pay no attention to the sputtering sounds that come from Nash. He is just a little Piper Cub that ran out of actual fuel on this blog several weeks back, and had to make an emergency landing on the Adolescent Humor airstrip.
Late voters have broke for Hillary in 20 of 27 contests where exit polling data is available. On average she wins about 50% of those to O's 43%. Criag had it right...so if she keeps that up...she should do very well.
I seem to remember some of those more unreliable polls saying RI had closed to within a couple of points and she blew him out by 18%
ARG has her at 13% as of yesterday and Suffolk @ 10% (also been pretty reliable) other polls show movement in her direction over the weekend:
"Polls Show Possible Movement To Clinton In Pennsylvania"
I'm thinking SurveyUSA might release today...they'll be a pretty good indicator.
O' supporters should just prepare themselves for a bad night and a long week of everyone saying Obama's poor performance, whining after the debate and bitter comments being his downfall in PA.
"'m not sure what the Clintons are, but they sure as hell aren't Democrats."
The Clintons are Democrats. The Huffington, Kos etc group are the old Socialist/Progressive wing of the party that has existed since at least the 1920s with some strains going back to before the turn of the last century. They have never held the Presidency, darn few Senate seats and not all that many places in the House. Their purpose has always been to nag and push the bulk of the party into taking certain positions (work laws, unions, social security etc.).
As with any extreme wing whether the right or left, they tend to crash and burn after a few years of being effective.
I'll modify and say it'll be 10% like OH. Going purly off the fact that when everyone else had NH wrong Suffolk is the only poll that got it right. Let's hope this isn't one of those that SurveyUSA hits on the head.
Yes, I'll admit 10% doesn't make me happy. I hope she surprises us.
OK...I take it all back - tomorrow will be more of a nail biter than we think and let's keep our fingers crossed that she picks up her 50% of last minute voters like always to at least push her to that 10% + mark.
Since Obama has outspent Hillary $8.6 million to $3.6 million on advertising, flooding the PA market with his ads(11,788 to 4,955) as of April 17 (NYT) it would seem that Obama must win outright to establish his claims that he is the one who can win in November.
Anything less than a win by Obama, suggests a serious flaw in his campaign rhetoric.
While his media contingent is doing its best to put this on Hillary to win a huge victory & that as long as Obama reduces her margin of victory to less than (pick any # you want) he is the real winner,---if he can not win PA straight up , then the Dem. party has a real problem in November.
I'm not "ablaze." I'm just pointing out one more inconvenient truth. Hillary hasn't been in a kitchen for decades except to make sure that the "help" weren't stealing the silverware.
None of you has addressed the substance of my remarks, just fired off a bunch of random personal insults. Gee. I wonder where you learned to do that?
I don't mind the attacks; I just wish they were funnier. Isn't there at least one Oscar Wilde in Hillary's camp?
"I'm not sure what the Clintons are, but they sure as hell aren't Democrats."
Good...since I think the Democratic party has lost its collective mind...I'm glad to hear this...whatever they are...I want to be...cuz I don't want to be part of the joke they call the Democratic Party anymore.
I enjoyed your interview on C-Span far better than other communication venues because it is extremely polite and allow you a generous amount of time to make your point, so its a worth while investment of time.
I hadn't planned to post here but Craig the Obama supporters are the extreme radical embarrassing part of the democratic party. They are rude, obnoxious, belligerent, and most importantly politically ignorant. They do not deal in facts, rather they deal in distortion, canards, intimidation of more centrist enlightened elements of the Democratic party.
What I want to do is encourage the centrist part of our party especially those that support Hillary to stand up and take control of our party "GET OUR PARTY BACK!"
Hillary did not have it exactly right, there is a conspiracy, a vast left wing conspiracy that if not stopped will destroy the Democratic party. You think they are not racist because they back Obama...Ha! Guess again! There is a story unfolding that during Harold Ford Jr's campaign for the Senate some of Coker's 527's were paid for by none other than a very left wing radical political organization. Do not trust these radical left wingers, do not buy into this garbage that Obama will reach across the aisle,that will hardly be the case.
The radical left wants to perform a bloody coup of the DLC wing of the Democratic party, they did it with Harold Ford Jr. now they want to do it with Hillary, Wake up before its too late do not allow these radical people to destroy the Democratic party
They are called right wing Republicans which seems to be where all of the Obama folks are getting their ammunition. You have to wonder why they want to stop her so badly that they are willing to unite. Are the Obama folks secret Freepers? :-)
nash, huffpo has been probama and anti hillary for months. You know it, I know it, we all know it. Anytime I want to find columns that are anti Hillary, I can go there. I swore off the site in February because of the editorial bias there that mirrored Arianna's rabid probama views. There you find the Huffington wing of the democratic party - I can remember when you could find the Huffington wing of the Republican party, which was buitl on an antiClinton bias stated loud and often on every frickin' was before there was a Huffington Post, and it wasn't so many years ago. I wouldn't b e so smug about her as the defining standard for democrats.
And Bill and Hillary may not be far enough left for you, but they are decidedly Democrats.
The notoriously progressive, left wing Bloomberg.com on why Hillary can't win. (Unless she can capture the ring of power before Frodo throws it in Mount Doom.)
I thought the insight Craig shared re: Karl Rove starting to paint Obama as a "socialist" or "marxist" was very interesting. Of course I was rather amused as well. After living 10 years in Mainland Europe, I can tell you that socialists are very active in the coalition governments in most of the countries I know about. Here is Belgium, the split is between parties and also linguistic divide. The Flemish socialists have refused to join in coalition with the Christian Democrats, but the French socialists did join to push their agenda especially for their region.
Anyway, it's because of the socialists being a force in Belgium so long that we have such strong social security, health care, nearly 1 month vacation for everyone along with a 13th month salary. Oh, as a business owner I don't get as much social security and I don't get paid vacations or a 13th month salary.
But, interesting how different the viewpoints are in American culture compared to European nations. Sales taxes and income taxes are HIGH, but more people live with a comfortable financial standard.
You have to get a kick out of Ariana. She will go wherever the money is even if it means a swing from right to left that would give most people incurable motion sickness.
Perfect example of political ignorance...when Obama supporters are so intellectually lazy they resort to lame websites to support they flawed candidate. Obviously the process of thought and knowledge is a foreign concept for them ♪♪la la la la♪♪
Are the new poll numbers now really going to show what is happening in PA. Are they trying to do a little damage control here so they look good on Wednesday. After spending tons of money in PA and lose what message does this send?
I woke up to find six Amish boys/men ? in my neighbor yard. They are building an addition - Reminded me of that movie "The Witness"
"The Amish do not educate their children past the eighth grade, believing that the basic knowledge offered up to that point is sufficient to prepare one for the Amish lifestyle."
Like Obama hasn't used catch phrases LOL! "embittered" "cling to guns and religion"
Hillary has more guts, at least she says it in the open straight out, she doesn't act like a sissy and does it in stealth to a San Francisco crowd.
Jamie said "Are the Obama folks secret Freepers? :-)"
I am not a Freeper. The same could be said for your side Jamie with all the people that have said it is my girl or I either don't vote or will vote for McCain. I will vote for either candidate because I am a Democrat and I believe it most important that we elect a Democrat after 8 years of Repub slash and burn to this country.
AP, that might explain today's price to a point - the possibility of supply disruption can cause nervous futures traders to pay more - if we see more of this, I expect it will have an impact. But yesterday's price was only about a buck less, and no tanker had been attacked. Oil has been on a steady rise from $99 a barrel on March 28, and gasoline prices jumped more than 30 cents per gallon last week, before any tanker attack. I think Krugman's article today does a better job of explaining the pressures on oil than does a single attack on a tanker.
The Amish give their children what used to be the common eighth grade standard. That is darn close to second year college for most students now except that the math and science tends to be more basic and the history somewhat outdated.
One of my grandfathers only had formal schooling until the fifth grade. He was a great reader and something of a math whiz when it involved the basics of add, subtract, divide and multiply. When his children were bringing home algebra problems, he would tell them, "I'll tell you the answer but you will have to put in the X, Ys, and Zs on your own."
Vadaryl
The SD´s said that they are in no rush....
That should say enough.
After spending nearly 10Million, he still is incapable of wining? Come on.
He even brought the Kennedy´s to town. On the other hand I don´t know if it is a advantage, I mean look at CA and Ma. LMPO
He knows, he needs to deliver. Some SD´s are going to flock to HRC is he loses this one in double digits. If she wins in single, they will wait....But if she wins in DD the moving will start
You aren't in the group that I was speaking of. You are far to sane, kind, and thoughtful with actual reasons for supporting your candidate without attacking Sen. Clinton as a human being. That is way different than the virulant attacks from the wild eyed Huffington types.
"I hadn't planned to post here but Craig the Obama supporters are the extreme radical embarrassing part of the democratic party. They are rude, obnoxious, belligerent, and most importantly politically ignorant. They do not deal in facts, rather they deal in distortion, canards, intimidation of more centrist enlightened elements of the Democratic party."
Well we now know that Heather thinks the 90% of AA's who are voting for Obama are the radical embarrassing part of the Democratic Party.
I'm sure that they'll appreciate your thoughts if Hillary becomes the nominee. Do you think that if they feel all of Hillary's supporters feel like you do that they will vote for her?
I guess we will have to see if she gets the nomination if they will stay home or vote for Nader or McCain.
On the price of oil, there is a commercial running now about how they have fuel for 160 million (or something like that) for the next 60 years. Sounds like a lot until you say there are over 300 million people in the U.S., alone, almost 7 billion worldwide, and the earth's population even with population controls is increasing at a rate that will put us at 9 billion by 2025.
Right now there are twice as many people on earth as there were when I was born. Anybody getting hungry?
Fantastic interview on c-span, Craig. The comments re listening to Rove and co were right on. I do this all the time--listen to Rush as long as I can bear it or Hannity so I can see what they're saying. My own view, the right win is going to cream Obama in November if he's the nominee. He won't even win all the states Kerry and/or Gore won, and he's going to lose Ohio, Fla, MO, WV, NH, and PA. He can't possibly win the electoral college if he loses all of these states, can he Craig?
Talking heads last night still wanted Hillary to quit. Would any of you quit knowing that you may win by 10 or more points. No Way, take it to the end.
So if that's the case than I guess this also applies to the Hillary supporters.
"I hadn't planned to post here but Craig the Hillary supporters are the extreme radical embarrassing part of the democratic party. They are rude, obnoxious, belligerent, and most importantly politically ignorant. They do not deal in facts, rather they deal in distortion, canards, intimidation of more centrist enlightened elements of the Democratic party."
You notice I changed Obama to Hillary since you say you Hillary supporters won't vote for Obama in he's the nominee.
I don't think the size of the crowds in Pa. is what counts-what matters is how many of those people were registered as Democats a month ago as Pa. law requires.
If Obama had performed brilliantly in the debate, his supporters(that includesMSM) would not have complained about the questions asked. Because he was a disaster, supporters used a classic tactic--
"Attack The Messenger"--right Craig?
I heard that the PA gov only won 11 counties is that true?
The Pa TV & Radio stations must love all the money they got from Obama. They should thank Hillary for not getting out of the race. Also the network guys should too. Why would they want her to quit, look at all the ratings they are getting.
heather, make that an OPTIMIST. (I don't even kow what a potimist is - but I think it has something to do with either indoor gardening or sanitary waste disposal).
Happy to go out on that limb with you all--but will be pleased with any Hillary win--by whatever margin it may be.
LaLi---Glad to see you are still here--missed your comments--hope it wasn't because the Royals are hovering at .500, but then so are my (& Heather's) Yankees--isn't it great that baseball season is just starting.
The radical left wants to perform a bloody coup of the DLC wing of the Democratic party, they did it with Harold Ford Jr. now they want to do it with Hillary, Wake up before its too late do not allow these radical people to destroy the Democratic party
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
I became an independent after reeling from the hurtful stupidity and "intolerance" of the far left. Horrified by the religious right made this my only choice. I have lived amongst conservatives and the far left and found the latter to be the more injurious to the people and issues I care about.
Thank you, as for my Yankees, well they have problems first Jeter pulled a quad and was out a few days now A-Rod same injury, Posada still so so [shoulder] Cano, Giambi, Damon slumping, and the Yankees stupid resistance of putting Joba in the starting rotation but he is still out [bereavement leave] for his ill dad.
I look forward to things improving, Pope Benedict XVI celebrated Mass at Yankee Stadium, miracles do happen:-))
Note that the map looks a lot like the "insulting" description of PA that Carville described.
Heather, I hope you are right, and aside from Craig, this morning Chuck Todd suggested that the undecided vote in PA favors Clinton. That is hardly desperation, is it, notwithstanding the incisive analysis of our local observer?
It seems to me that there are unsaid reasons for many of the criticisms of Clinton and elevation of Obama by the democratic party leaders. (The reasons for Obama's and the conservatives are more obvious.) Statements extolling Obama for being "a special person", "the one to unite us", "a once-in-a-lifetime candidate", "he inspires us", and "the one" (to solve the Matrix? as Jon Stewart said) are vague hyperbole, especially given that Obama's campaign style and strategies seem pretty typical of those used by his endorsers when they ran campaigns. I can see how young voters could be influenced by this kind of talk, but the seasoned Dem. leaders know that there is way more to running the country than "inspiring" people." I've watched Rove and others lay out the "socialist" descriptions of Obama (& to a lesser extent, Clinton), and can not figure out why the dem. leaders are ignoring the benefit of having a more centrist candidate run against McCain. All I can conclude is that Bill Clinton's own centrist way of getting things done during his administration alienated the dems. who did not want to compromise with repubs. (which is what centrist is), I'd rather have something through compromise that nothing through demanding that all of the dem. agenda be adopted. Ironically, it seems the dem. leadership is supporting the candidate who is LESS likely to unite while using divisive tactics to do so (e.g., disenfranchising Mich. and Fla. voters - I do not think either Clinton or Obama should have agreed to do that, but their agreement should not be used to justify it.) I think a lot of "older" dem. voters see this as dem. leaders seriously risking the election because of their "egos", and at best, encouraging an unready candidate who may be a poor president and, in the long run, do harm for the dems. chances in the future.
I know Chuck Todd from his Miami days,
His theory of Fred Thompson holding the conservative coalition together fizzled into thin air, many other theories of his bit the dust. He has been in the tank for Obama from "jump street" so if said unfavored Clinton it must have killed him to admit that...was he gritting his teeth upon saying that :-))
I feel good about Hillary's showing in Pennsylvania
Heather - I expect his molars are ground to nubs now.
Coreen, I certainly would feel in good company out on that limb, but being a careful, cautious sort, I'll stay here near the trunk and just wait and watch for now.
French Fries, Dixie Chicks And ABC: A Frightening Revelation
"Then….suddenly…. Barack Obama was having rallies that appeared to have been organized directly out of the Hitler Youth Corps play book. Children were swooning. People were fainting. College students were chanting. And chanting. And chanting. Sexy young girls with serious boobage were making videos of their sexual fantasies about Barack Obama. Rappers suspended rapping about stabbing their bitches and killing women and cops to rap homage to The One. What an honor. Busloads of young people were pulling up to state caucus sites, hooting and chanting and drowning out or driving away their opponents.
At a debate last week, when ABC developed the cajones to ask the questions of Barack Obama that the mainstream press has consistently refused to deal with, the Obama backlash was akin to the Dixie Chicks’ professional assassination. Droves of frenzied, hate-spitting Obama zombies descended upon ABC’s web site to complain. They tied up their phone lines.
They wanted ABC dead, as if ABC were a person. A death threat video directed at George Stephanopoulos was placed on Youtube and thousands of wild-assed, wild-eyed Bush Obama sycophants posted the most vile and hateful remarks they could possibly pull from their bilious guts."
Hang in there, tomorrow is our time. 4 Wins in a row, Big states, democratic states, not republican territory and little states. It gets quite on the blog when Obama loses. Tomorrow should show he cannot close the deal, no matter how much money he throws at her.
Thanks Heather, for your postings. Tell it like it is.
Julie
I was shocked that George Stephanopoulos asked the William Ayers question. He appeared on Hannity's radio show the night before and Shawn brought it up. George even asked him if there is any other questions he should ask. I am glad he went back and looked into it and asked the question. If the media would do there job in the first place we might not of had a debate like that. If Obama and his team had problems with those questions just wait and see what might come at him next. He's seen nothing yet. The media and the reps will have a field day with him.
I can't wait to watch HRC on Olbarackermann tonight!! I wonder if she is going to be in the studio with him.
For all KO's tough trash talk against HRC...you know he will, more than likely, turn into a slobbering mess...just like Obamatthews does, when he is face2face with HRC!! 8~P
MSNBC really sounds as if they are trying to depress the vote.
Has to get over 10, looks like about 5 points, women may be leaving .... blah blah blah
There is something really ugly about their coverage. I would hate it if they were doing it to Sen. Obama. It is a public supported entity interfering with the outcome of an election. Very, very undemocratic.
I totally understand and sympathize with your post
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
It's nice to see your posts and I find them a breath of fresh air, and believe it is the women on this blog that give it the balance that is needed. Too many dems see only the right as hostile.
In response to the WSJ link provided by Flatus, I voted for Obama in that election and do recall those events. What was not mentioned is that after Ryan dropped out of the race, the repubs. imported from Maryland Alan Keyes (an African American) to run against Obama. Much adoo about this carpetbagging and Keyes' outlandish statements from repubs. and the African American community in Illinois. It was not a legitmate republican opposition. While I supported Obama and looked forward to seeing what he would do as a U.S. Senator, I voted for Clinton in the IL primary because, on so many levels, it is just too soon for Obama.
Obama concedes defeat in PA despite outspending 2-1
04-21) 08:38 PDT Scranton, Pa. (AP) --
Barack Obama predicted Monday that Democratic presidential rival Hillary Rodham Clinton would get the critical victory she needs in Tuesday's Pennsylvania primary, but said his goal is to keep it close.
"I'm not predicting a win," he told Pittsburgh radio station KDKA. "I'm predicting it's going to be close and that we are going to do a lot better than people expect."
Whenever someone tells me they are undecided, I tell them to flip a coin. Whichever side they were hoping to see land is the one they wanted even if they hadn't yet told themselves about the decision.
HRC & KO. Oh, I will have to cave & watch that interview. I doubt that he will get all, aw-shucks-goofy like he did during his interviews with Bill Clinton & Al Gore. I just hope his inner-misogynist doesn't make an appearance.
"Are the pro-Obama forces seriously trying to get their troops outraged over this latest ad from Hillary Clinton? Just because it contains a ten-second sequence of presidential crises (Depression, Pearl Harbor, gas crisis, Katrina, etc.) and flashes a half-second clip of Osama bin Laden as part of it? Spare me. Are Democratic political ads no longer even allowed to mention the fact that the next president is going to have to deal with the war on terror?"
Straight from Moron's Matthews Mouth:
If Hillary does not win by double digits it's a victory for Obama ummmmm geeeeee Chris how do you define a loss for Obama Hillary getting 100% of the vote?
PA is one of the important states and after spending a lot of money and lose by 6 points, I would not be so thrilled about it. I would be worried about what might happen in November. Also what we did with FL and MI. You need all the big states and he has not done so well with them. The states that had real votes did not go so well. Is there a pattern here.
That's a good point. I call myself undecided among C-Listers, but then again New York has already had our primary. Joe Biden was out of the race, but his name was on our ballot, so I didn't have to choose between the two active candidates.
I don't take a side here, but I almost always agree with reasonably stated pro-Hillary comments and am more apt to decry the low-brow personal attacks by Obama supporters. Just about that time along comes a fervent Hillary supporter to remind me that all the low-blows and insults don't come from one side.
My parents taught me that two wrongs don't make a right.
In later years, a driving instructor showed me that three lefts often do.
Some Obama supporters are so lame their whole day is spent trolling the net looking for anything whether factual or not...to link to Craig's blog to try to rationalize their their support of a flawed three card monte candidate has not got half the guts and courage of Hillary
Yes, Heather, and I think nash left "or" and "but" out. You left "Michelle" out. See, it's very easy to throw the"racist" accusation out there. It's not so easy to support it.
Posted by: Obnoxious Poster | April 21, 2008 1:55 PM
Self awareness is a good thing. You should have added liar. This is a chat board for political discussion not a home for people with no friends if you can't participate based on your own opinions then STFU.
An excerpt:
"We’re now in a situation that seems like the punch line of a joke told by a self-satisfied Republican on his way to the 2009 Inauguration. If you’re for Clinton, a friend or relative will tell you that she’s been nasty, ruthless, untruthful. If you’re for Obama, a friend or relative will tell you that he seems smug, and has shown some troubling judgment. Well, some people say, that sense of entitlement she has—it’s repulsive. To which the counter is: Yeah? Well, he obviously feels entitled, too—why else is he running? And on and on it goes..."
"Or I can say that race gave him an opening at national office that might not have existed for another six to ten years otherwise. Is there something you object to about that?"
I have heard a lot of people on heard that the Dems should have made John Edwards the nominee in 2004. At that point - he had one term as a Senator under his belt.
Obama has served for 11 years as an elected official – 8 years in the Illinois Legislature and 3 years in the US Senate.
Moreover, you people always tout HRC's Senate experience as some huge plus - even though it is very rare in our Country's history to elect a Senator as President. (Often because they have a long record of controversial votes and statements - like the Iraq vote for Clinton).
Obama's "opening" is not based on his race - it is based on his keen insight that this Country is ready for a change - along with his ability to inspire and organize.
Would You Like To Meet The Man The Weather Underground Paralyzed?
"...Richard Elrod, ... who was paralyzed by the Weather Underground.
The man, 72 now, lifts the photograph with a grip light as a soft pinch and draws it toward his eyes like a jeweler holding up an exquisite but slightly flawed stone. He is natty in a gray pinstriped suit with a pink pocket square and a pale pink tie. His crutches lie on the floor just behind his immaculately ordered desk. Through the window of his 25th-floor judge’s chamber a gray sky pulls a cheerless curtain across the late afternoon.
In the photo ... Judge Elrod on the left as a young man, on his back on the ground, with a broken neck. The piece of crap Flanagan is on the ground to the right. He would later be charged with attempted murder."
Warren, I don't think it's their voting records that make senators as presidents a rarity. I think a different skill-set is required for success as a senator as opposed to a president. Can a person possess both? Sure, but...
Could she pull off one of those moments that gets played over and over. The turkey is on the table and she should take the shot at it. She gets two chances to pull it off.
toast, I don't support Obama - anyone around here for any time knows this - but Kristol and Brooks are two right wing tools and are among two of the last people in the punditry world I would rely upon to quote in favor of my candidate or against the other candidate in the Dem party. Doesn't mean they never say anything that's true, but that would be an exception for them.
Wrong Toast. I think Clinton may win PA by double digits. The reason will be because the state is tailor-made for Clinton. The demographics favor her, PA neighbors NY and she has the very popular (and persuasive) Gov. Rendell (and his establishment) backing her.
(Money helps a lot more when candidates are unknown - and also when they are not all over the TV regardless of whether they are buying ads or not).
And so quite simply this is a state that favors her. (Kinda like how SC and VA favored Obama - remember those contests - when Obama "blew out" Clinton by very large margins). We won't see those kind of margins in PA - but of course they will be big enough for Clinton to claim victory by once again "beating expectations."
And the Clinton camp will use that victory and Ex. A as to why Obama can't be elected and how all these silly side issues really matter to voters. Total BS - because I think the factors I listed above will be the real reason for the victory.
But the real news will be the popular vote totals. If Clinton does not win by more than roughly 200K votes - she will have almost no shot of overtaking Obama in terms of the popular vote. And if she does not do that - then she has no shot of winning.
The biggest problem with Senators as opposed to say Governors, is that they have voting records. One thing that works in Sen. Obama's favor is that he doesn't have very much experience on the national level and therefor little voting record to analyze or vet for positions. He can say anything and there is nothing there to compare actions with words.
Male voters for Clinton - did you base you vote on:
1. The candidate who has the most experience
2. The candidate who can bring about a real change
3. The fact that your wife threatened to not sleep with you for weeks if you voted for Obama
Poor Report On Popular Vote Count From Bloomberg
By Big Tent Democrat, Section Media
Posted on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:49:13 AM EST
By Big Tent Democrat
The usually solid Greg Sargent fumbles his post on Bloomberg's shoddy article on the popular vote count. Sargent uncritically regurgitates Bloomberg's recitation of the popular vote count. What both Bloomberg and Sargent failed to do was discuss the issues of Florida and Michigan. As the RCP popular vote counter demonstrates, the 800,000 vote lead that Bloomberg assumes excludes the Florida and Michigan votes. It has been clear for some time that the Clinton popular vote argument includes counting Florida (Clinton won by 300,000 votes there) at the least, and Michigan as well.
jamie, apparently you've hidden whatever it is that is being alluded to too well. Maybe it's your covertness that is so well hidden by your directness. LOL
Warren: Considering the age of the majority of Hillary's female voters, I hardly think No. 3 is a real threat. I say this as a 38-year-old woman who has been married for 15+ years : )
I don't care who wins the Dem nomination, as long as he's the best man for the job.
Posted by: nash | April 21, 2008 1:43 PM
That reminds me when former California State Judge Rose Bird was voted out of office in a recall ballot because she was too liberal... She was asked how she was taking it... and she replied.
I dunno Jamie. In Mr Obama's case we have his touted legislative experience in Illinois. Surely those votes have meanings that people can relate to at the national level. You know, "Present" means...
Our (SC) Lt Gov is supposedly on 'everybody's' short-list for VP. He really has a record because of what he's vetoed, and the emphasis he's put on state programs he supports.
St. Obama is losing his halo his true nature is coming out, that of sexist male chauvinist ...seems like he is talking about Hillary throwing china and dishes like a frustrated emotional wife does when she catches her husband in an adulterous affair.
Is that the best you can come up with Barack, when the heat gets hot you resort to sexist garbage? I'm happy because garbage like that will unite women around Hillary in huge numbers, congratulations you just lost the female vote, in Pennsylvania ha ha. anymore sage advice from Mr Axelrod?
There is a really wonderful lady on the web who lives in Texas. She makes her living as a story teller traveling all over the state to visit libraries and places that serve children. Every once in a while she gets a bee in her bonnet about other ways to be nice to kids. Her most recent one is to pay for Camp Sanguinity where they provide a camping experience for children with Cancer. Shelly figures their parents probably have enough expenses and stress without finding the $150 supplement for the fees.
She needs $21,000 by june. She is asking for a minimum of $10 up to anything you can afford. The money can be paid through Pay Pal or by check and goes into a specific bank account and will be classed as a tax deductible charity. The bank will then issue a total check to the camp from the monies collected.
If you would like to be a part of this, you can read all about the original idea
Sexist attacks against Hillary in this campaign has become common fare Heather. It's a shame that it comes down to this. We read a lot about "racist code words" in this campaign, and it's worthy of discussion, but some of those who make such charges are not making "sexist code words", they are doing it PROUDLY and OUT IN THE OPEN...
Doesn't mean they never say anything that's true, but that would be an exception for them.
Posted by: pogo
I agree with you about both Brooks and Kristol, but I have seen Brooks praise Obama for the last three months every friday on PBS with Mark Shields almost in perfect harmony.
Regarding Kristol his column"The Mask Slipped'' I thought a clever way to express a view I share. I also have quoted Mattews, Russert, Dowd without comment and I hold Brooks in higher regard.
I agree, you are totally right...I would only add that the reason I mentioned that is because St. Obama put himself above all that and now that he is getting a little worried he is engaging in the sexist stuff, the hypocrisy is as important as the sexism in this context
Brooks and Kristol are conservative columnists. Would you people please stop with the tired argument that ONLY journalists that share your opinion are objective...
ET,
Stand corrected, I didn't mean to suggest that no one "cares" care. Wasn't being literal, more of "what diff does it make" would have been better.
I recognize there are undecided SDs. My point is that as a group, I don't believe they will override the elected 'pledged" delegates , irrespective of the popular vote count, which should remain in Obama's favor.
Warren...I know this has been pointed out to you before, but your habitual use of the phrase "you people" as a target of this or that complaint makes you look like a crazy old geezer on his front porch just blasting his shotgun at anything that moves.
It's not you against the world. Try counting to 10 before hitting "submit" on a message with that phrase in it.
Heather, think what they'd be saying if she was, like, fifteen years younger. Would they trust her with the red telephone, etc.?
Posted by: Flatus | April 21, 2008 3:53 PM
I remember when Hillary first became First Lady... I thought, she's such an attractive professional woman whose determined to juggle work in both the West and East Wings of the White House. I remember thinking also, "she's young like Jackie Kennedy was" and all I could do was compare her to Barbara Bush, or Nancy Reagan, and I thought "she brings a style of chic to the White House.
Oh and about age... she is 61 and so is Cher, until 20 may when she is 62. Just a thought about age ...
Jamie, I've never had a latte, or cappuccino, or Kona, or whatever. That's the nice thing about being enlisted--low maintenance.
Posted by: Flatus | April 21, 2008 3:57 PM
One of the things I miss about being in the states is the Lattes. I remember when my friend Marty and I would do walks around Green Lake, we'd stop at I think Haagen-Daz and I'd ordered iced lattes.. LOVELY... That's in Seattle by the way. In Olympia, I was always drinking those yummy coffees.
Given some of the insults and the angry tone of many of the posts on this blog - I reserve my right to express a little frustration now and then by using the term "you people".
(You people are just gonna have to get over it ; )
Tomorrow will be an exciting day, it will be hard having to wait until the polls close. I have a good feeling about tomorrow, female intuition is kicking in and all signs point to Hillary doing very well, perhaps better than what is expected.
If she wins huge tomorrow it HAS to give pause to super-delegates it MEANS something that Hillary has won almost every large state except Illinois. She has a valid argument before the super-delegates
Not telling you what to do, just telling you how you look when you do it.
I'm just suggesting it might be more in your self-interest to simply slap a specific offender or offenders, rather than make everyone who is reading at that moment feel slapped. It really is rather jarring.
Rez mate, it's cool... I appreciate the clarification. Look, I think Obama is going to be the nominee as well, but as someone "on the other side" of the LEFT Democrats, I hold out a small modicum of hope. Nonetheless, my foolishness of earlier suggesting I would vote for Nader or McCain is out the door. We have to undo 8 years of DISASTER in this country!
We have to deal with: SUPREME COURT and another conservative judge will destroy the small gains women and various constituencies have received over the years.
IRAQ , HEALTH CARE, SOCIAL SECURITY, STOPPING JOBS FROM LEAVING THE COUNTRY, OUR EARTH -- ENVIRONMENT (STOPPING GLOBAL WARMING), INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS , ALTERNATIVE ENERGIES, CLOSING GAPS BETWEEN RICH AND POOR, EDUCATIONAL REINVESTMENT, PUBLIC HEALTH FUNDING, REAL SAFE SEX EDUCATION.. I could go on and on. Just to give a picture of where I see things now.
Not so long ago someone said something to me about "your people"... and I was like "what do you mean? Minnesotans? Washintonians? Americans? " And she said "no the Gays". I started laughing. I said "well I am not the spiritual leader of this group, and they aren't really 'my people'." ...
We'll know tomorrow if Pennsylvanians are wanna-bee entitlelees waiting for the political mother's milk of Momma Hillary or if they identify themsleves as part of the Mutt Pedigree of America and identify with the movement attaching themselves to Obama.
And the Clinton camp will use that victory and Ex. A as to why Obama can't be elected and how all these silly side issues really matter to voters. Total BS - because I think the factors I listed above will be the real reason for the victory.
Posted by: warren
warren
I agree with you far more often than not but I take exception in that the "side issues" are merely "noise". Reminds me of Shakespeare's "Much Ado About Nothing" but I see it causing a great mischief in the fall GE. Your assessment of PA I believe is spot on. My comments reflect how I believe the Reagan Democrats and Independents are changing their view of Obama.
"you people" is considered racist with roots back to white supremacist groups referring to African Americans as "you people frequently in the third person.
Ross Perot used that term and was booed off stage and had to issue a formal apology for using that term
(Anyways, I have already said before that I think almost everyone is a racist to some degree. And acknowledging that - instead of overemphasizing political correctness - is a better way forward in my opinion.)
The GOP likes to pretend neither racisim nor sexism exists - that way nothing is done about it. And I could care less about whether someone uses the "polite" or "politically correct" terms - instead - I care about how people actually treat others.
Do these people do fact checking and double check stuff before making moronic comments "Hillary is flat broke" geeeeee Ms. Brewer hate to burst your bubble she is not flat broke" do some fact checking please!
Dear Warren:
I know you have a good heart and you are NOT a racist! I believe you to be a good person. You are just misguided, if you supported Hillary you'd be the perfect man ☺
I saw him on Larry King a couple of months ago and he said that, as a Catholic, he couldn't vote or someone who authorized the Iraq War so I don't think this is much of a shock...
I hope you've thrown away the other version of that response. It was okay while you were on active duty, and probably correcting GIs, but as someone who likes to use the term, "Sir" in civilian situations, I hope you aren't one of those guys who still says, "Don't sir me, I work(ed) for a living."
I use "sir" as a respectful term, and every now and then, I get that reflexive response spit back at me. My request is that you (and others) not show disdain for the person, who's trying to show you respect.
Conversely, on those rare occasions when I see a man or woman in uniform, I know which term to use, based on the insignia displayed.
warren, racist is not something that has ever occured to me that you might be. A tad gullible maybe, a little misguided perhaps, way too impressed with your own intelligence and sense of logic of course (but after all, you are a lawyer, and what lawyer isn't?) but not racist.
OK, you kids, put those sticks down. You're going to put somebody's eye out. Everyone play nice -
Here in South Carolina, I use 'sir' liberally, and ma'am as well. And I hold doors for whoever is right on my heels.
And, I've told my granddaughter that she should expect her dates to hold the car door for her when they're taking her out. And, that she should never expect someone to hold the door for her when she's in a work situation.
You're probably right to tell your granddaughter not to expect the door held at work, but if she's in my building, I'll be holding it for her, you too, if you're coming behind me, or heading through from the opposite direction.
Heather was wrong above. I'm nominating Flatus and me as the perfect men.
I love the irony in that...as a Catholic he cannot vote for someone that authorized the Iraq war...yet he can endorse a candidate that is closely aligned with planned parenthood as well as his wife, and is pro abortion on demand, pro partial birth abortion, considers pregnancy a punishment that does not bother Michael Moore, I guess Moore's logic is its better to die in the womb rather than a war
Dear Warren:
I know you have a good heart and you are NOT a racist! I believe you to be a good person. You are just misguided, if you supported Hillary you'd be the perfect man
warren
Warren you are now the measure of the perfect man [ with one flaw} a singular and lofty position.
Michael Moore is part of the Hollywood crowd. Rob Reiner has TV, Moore has documentaries, Robinson gets movies .. all the usual too rich to be practical crowd.
Fox messages running along bottom, says CBS has cancelled the NC debate. Obama will not do it. Poor thing , he can't take the heat. He lost so badly in the last one , he will not do another..
If you remember Claire McCaskill, Obama supporter from Missouri, said Hillary would win double digits in Pa.
James Carville on CNN, says if she wins tomorrow, she will be the Nominee.. on right now.
Awwww....Jamie, I think I might cry now! How sweet!
Flatus...re use of the word "Sir." I find it a great word when it's used sincerely as an indicator of true respect and deference.
But have you noticed an increasing frequency of its use as sort of a tempering rhetorical device to offset some over-the-top slam, as a way for the "slammer" trying to preserve the illusion that he has some modicum of civility and decorum, even as he savages the "slammee"? As in...
"You, sir, are a despicable and evil buffoon who can spout nothing but the worst kind of lies."
or...
"You, sir, are worse than Hitler himself."
or...
"You, sir, can kiss my ass."
Keith Olbermann is a master of this rhetorical tic It is so phony and pretentious. I hate it, and cringe whenever I hear someone speaking that way as a way to puff themselves up and sound more important and articulate and measured than they really are.
Hmmm, are we seeing a preview of an Obama presidency? Will he be just like his predecessor Little Lord Pissypants and will not have any press conferences because he thinks the press is being mean to him?
Once again Matthews is trying to do his best to depress Hillary supporters I hope baldy Michael Smerconish is on Matthews Wednesday trying to explain a Hillary blowout of St. Obama That will be so pleasurable as I enjoy a lobster dinner watching Michael Smerconish stutter and fumble for excuses for a huge Obama loss :-))
"Why did it take until Thursday March 13, 2008, for the nation to begin to learn about Barack Obama’s pastor, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright? The man whose Trinity United Church of Christ Obama has attended and generously funded for seventeen years?
Because, until then, we were in the midst of Phase I -- preventative medicine -- of the media’s version of campaign health care for the Senator’s Presidential bid. Call it the Plan to Protect Obama (PPO)."
As I sit here barely able to write this and at a loss for words, I wanted to thank all of you for your support and comfort last year when Ginger was poisoned by Hill's MD Dry Cat food.
Over the past week or so Ginger has not been eating very much and with my daughter visiting for my birthday I waited until she went home Saturday before calling the Vet.
Up until last week around Wednesday I noticed that she was barely eating. At the time I thought that perhaps she just had a cold or something or just wasn't feeling good.
By Friday when I got home from work I noticed that she had stopped eating all together and know I had to get her into the Vet to find out what the problem was. My daughter wanted me to take her in Saturday morning, but since her plane back home was a 2:30 pm flight I didn't want to have her miss the plane.
This morning I called my Vet and told her I thought that maybe Ginger had eaten contaminated food again, she was not eating or having a bowel movement since Wednesday and she said I should get her in so the Doctor could look at her.
I took the rest of the day off, headed home and put Ginger in her carrier and headed to the Vet's office. Once there the Doctor looked at her and the assistant took her temperature. She was unable to get a accurate one as the thermometer could barely be inserted.
They weighed her and she was down to 21LB's since her physical in December. They took her in the back to xray her to see if see may be constipated or if there could be any other problems.
When she came back in she had stopped doing the xray's because after they had done the chest and heart area it showed a Heart problem. Her chest was full of liquid and her heart was floating making it hard for her to breathe. She said i had to see a Specialist and called the Hospital so they would be ready to see her the minute I got there.
She gave Ginger a shot to help her breathe and I paid the bill and headed over to the hospital.
On arriving at the hospital they took her immediately to the back and I waited for a Doctor who was interning to become a Specialist while the Doctor and those assisting her looked at Ginger and the xray's I brought over.
The Doctor whom I saw the first time said Ginger had a Heart Condition and was in very bad shape. They had extracted about 100 Mililiters {I think that's the right work} and around 15ML was a tablespoon and they had done around 8 tablespoons so far. She then went back to assist those working on Ginger.
When she returned she told me that Ginger did have Heart Disease and they would have to get a electrocardiogram to see what was going on with her heart. They had her in a oxygen tent and I was informed of what they needed to do .
I was even ask if it was okay to resuscitate if she went under and I said yes. I was told that she would call me later to let me know what the current status was.
Well I just got off the phone with her and she said Ginger had DCM and it was congenital more than likely. She informed me that she might not make it out of the hospital and if she did Ginger might only last a month or two.
All her heart walls were thin and she had trouble pumping blood through her system because of this. I don't know if she will be home or not and if it looks like they are unable to get her home or if it appears that there is nothing they can really do for her I told them to put her down.
I paid the over two hundred dollars at my Vet's and two thousand dollars which was a little over the two thirds of her hospital cost which would exceed $2300 dollars.
I would give all I have if she would come home and be healthy, however at this time I don't think I'll be seeing her again.
To all of you who were very supportive last year I want to thank you as your support meant so much too me.
I can't go on anymore, but I wanted you all to know that Ginger and I thank you from the bottom of are hearts.
Dear AP: Please accept my best wishes across the Internets. Stay strong during this ordeal and best wishes for Ginger's recovery. Pets are truly part of our families and something we can all relate to.
I am so sorry to hear about Ginger. You went through so much with her last year and I know how precious she is to you. You have my best wishes whatever happens.
Please know that you are in my thoughts, please accept my sincere wish for you & your Ginger to come through this trauma. Those of us who share our lives with fur friends, who are family, share the depth of your pain at this time.
It's not fair. Those military guys always stay in better shape than us roly-poly desk jockeys.
Jamie,
"It's not you, it's me." You paraphrased both my ex-wives. The bad news is the second one waited so long to figure that out that I got too spongy, and now Flatus has a cuter butt than me.
The great thing about Craig is that he doesn't do cross-fire, he doesn't do mysogyny a la Matthews, and he doesn't shill for anybody. Let's get him back on MSNBC:
I can't argue with much of what you said in your 4:48 post. But of course being a lawyer - I think I can say it better...
"A tad gullible maybe" - no doubt - but it is based on an intellectual (and empirical) curiosity and a willingness to trust people until I am given a reason not to.
"a little misguided perhaps" - perhaps - but many of those "detours" can provide some awesome moments if your not afraid to be lost.
"way too impressed with your own intelligence and sense of logic of course" - no comment - but I will say that I am certainly not impressed by the intelligence and sense of logic of many who are considered "intelligent" in this society.
"but not racist" - I think you need to watch a couple of episodes of The Chappelle Show to get what I am saying. (Or perhaps All in the Family, Good Times, The Jeffersons, etc.) I think racism is more powerful underground - and is weakened and undermined when exposed.
(I also think we should focus less on off-color remarks made by people who are not racists - and more on actual prejudice and discrimination that still infects our society.)
Hillary was great on Keith. My word he even held his scathing tongue and did not belittle her as I expected.
Her answer about Richard Mellon Scaith (sp) was a good one I thought. Bridging the gulf and bringing around someone who did not believe in her and changed their mind. She will make an excellent President.
KO is twisting everything in the follow up specifically lying about what she said re attacking Iran. She specifically said in response to a NUCLEAR attack from Iran. Gotta give it back to him,
Keith was disappointed that Senator Obama couldn't fit him into his schedule. When asked to provide a surrogate to represent his campaign, the Senator replied, "Isn't Keith gpomg tp be there?"
Obama can't risk appearing w/ KO, because there are too many unknowns for him. What will the questions be? What will I say?
It would be like another debate. I bet from here on out all we see is prepared statements.....that is unless someone catches him on their cell phone at a private event.
Wow, I stepped on my own joke. The cat and I were fighting over the keys and he won. That was obviosly supposed to say, "Isn't Keith going to be there?"
KO knew better than to even attempt to belittle HRC. She would have made him look like the fool that he is.
As predicted... Olbarackermann is not so tough, after all...he talks a lot of trash...but when it came down to a face2face...he shriveled like, like...uhhhhh...(well, feel free to fill in the blank!!!!).
EdVB,
My daughter's cat does that all the time, and usually at a bad time. Last night, I was playing poker and she folded a KK on me. I was a bit ticked, because I needed that win.
"Hillary Clinton walked into a Pittsburgh Tribune-Review conference room last Tuesday to meet with some of the newspaper's editors and reporters and declared, "It was so counterintuitive, I just thought it would be fun to do."
The room erupted in laughter. Her remark defused what could have been a confrontational meeting.
Her meeting and her remarks during it changed my mind about her.
KO's phoniness was on full display--he undercuts her at every chance, but up close & personal, face to face-- he's doesn't have the courage to spew his venom.
And yes, once she was off screen & he had his henchman to play off, he was at it again misstating her responses. Mellon Scaife should be his idol, not
Edward R. Murrow.
I gotta keep an eye on this, but lately, Sen. Obama doesn't appear on a screen without a flag behind him. I liked him better when he told the lapel gazers to take a hike.
Keith Olbermann is the most reasoned, courageous commentator on television. He was the first to, for instance, challenge Mr. Bush and the other criminals in the current administration, and he continues to comment when other members of the MSM cower in fear. Apparently some members of this board forget Keith's many strong points simply because he has had the conscience to point out flaws in the Clinton campaign (and, yes, in the Obama campaign).
(Although I do question to policy of using the Strategic Oil Reserve to lower gas prices. I do not think the Dems should overestimate their prowess on the economy this year. Investigations are not always the sollution. It is all about efficiency.)
But she was good (and Obama should take some cues) about not always answering the questions asked. When asked a difficult question HRC was very good at reframing the issue - going on a fillibuster for a few minutes - and then giving a quick answer at the end to the question asked. Sometimes it can be frustrating, but tonight - It was very effective. Her laughing also eliminated any tension that Keith-O was trying to build up.
benjaminblue: I used to LOVE Olbermann, but he has come unhinged in this election. There is no balance in his show, and he only has guests who tell him what he wants to hear. Because these guests are paid by appearance, they suck up to him. The exception is Craig C, and you notice he hasn't been on in a while.
Everyone has come unhinged. We have been at this too long.
But this too - shall pass.
(but it would be nice if a consequence of this election season would be for the media to focus a bit more on issues - and a bit less on the page six of politics.)
Tony Snow's analysis doesn't accurately reflect what Mrs Clinton said, as an example, on energy policy and achieving energy independence.
Clinton was extremely strong on defense policy as it relates to the Middle East. She understands the (coercive) nuclear 'tool' and how it can be used to our advantage in that region. She also understands that the only way we can get true allies in the region is through mutual defense arrangements.
"Barack Obama, when he was safely ensconced in elite environs, opined that “bitter” smalltown white people — supposedly afraid because of economic uncertainty — “cling” to guns, God and bigotry. But, now, we suspect that Obama himself is scared. And, watching Barack’s actions in recent days, we’re spotting clues that he, his campaign and his surrogates are indeed consumed by fear."
Bill makes a compelling case. But I just don't buy the utopia he spins in Clinton Country. It inspires me as well - but I just don't think a large part of the America will buy it. That large part is called Bush Country.
I don't think a Clinton Presidency will decrease the partisan gridlock. I think Hillary could unite the Democrats and bind the Republicans. And the two parties will become even more entrenched.
And the politics of destruction and distraction will continue.
(btw, one jab at her otherwise good performance on prime time - HRC should let the pundits and the historians talk about who is the "worst President in history". It is a little too contemptuous - especially when you want to win the votes of people that voted for him.)
Other than the ever popular "white men" - I heard cable news identify a new demographic of swing voters: single mothers.
(Looks like I need to hit the campaign trail. Hey Lardass Liberal - any ideas where I can find a bunch of single moms who would be willing to listen to me talk about politics? Preferrably some place where I can get a drink ; )
*warren places number 2 in the CCTM Worst Person in the Worrrlllllddddd!!*
It is an aged old system. Good cop bad cop. She can be the muscle - he can be the front man.
(And do not for a minute think that is because he is a so-called "empty suit" - Obama is as sharp as any of these politicians in Washington - even if he is a bit more measured.)
I think such an arrangement is a long way off. It can't be done regionally. It would seem a bit off to only assure destruction of the Middle East.
And the big job would be getting the current nuclear powers to join - because starting with nations outside of such an umbrella would defeat the purpose.
If he doesn't win in PA - it is gonna be a good time until May 6 (and maybe even till June in PR!!).
I think Obama is going to "hope up" the campaign. If HRC takes PA - I think both candidates should be back on message with only 2 weeks for 2 big contests (the Campaigns and the media won't have so much damn free time on their hands).
We saw how the nominees can withstand an attack. Now lets see who is the best at attacking McCain and the GOP. Because there is plenty of material to work with...
It's bedtime. Parting thought--nuclear weapons are there for use only if all possible diplomatic options fail. We absolutely must reestablish our foreign service. Look at North Korea as an example of how difficult the problem is.
Craig, it was refreshing to see you on C-SPAN. For once, you weren't cut
off after 60 seconds the way you are MSNBC. One remark you made that I think is particularly important is when you mentioned Karl Rove. I've been doing exactly the same thing as you, tuning into Fox news to hear KR. At first, I felt guilty that I was spending time with a man I learned to fear
and dislike as the architect of Bush policies and as an Evil Genius. But,
listening to him clearly reveals Republican strategies. I relunctantly must
admit, too, that Karl Rove is quite brilliant in a way, although obviously
neo-con and hard right-wing. Surprisingly, he hasn't attacted Hillary Clinton
in the way MSNBC has. He also maintains a sort of objectivity in observing
this election that is more like a politically savvy scientist explaining who can
win and how they might navigate the land mines. I agree with Craig that
Democrats should listen to Karl Rove.
![[RSS]](http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/templates/images/rss_icon.gif){kind=icon}
![[ARCHIVES]](http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/templates/images/archives_icon.png){kind=icon}
Comments
I think Sen. Clinton is going to surprise the MSM tomorrow night with a >10% margin.
Posted by: Mary Kitt-Neel
| April 21, 2008 7:23 AM
Jason...
You pretend you are Obama and let someone slap you around for 4 weeks and than say how you won't fight back.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| April 21, 2008 7:37 AM
Mary Kitt-Neel
I think she will win by less than >5% if she wins at all.
God Bless
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| April 21, 2008 7:39 AM
This morning, when I opened my mail, there was a message forwarded from my good friend George Z Bush, a three war veteran in his mid-80s who was just elected to his town council in coastal North Carolina.
I think George's email is instructive and has a connection to what we are now seeing in the primaries. Without further ado, here is what he sent me:
"Mrs. Davidson's dishwasher quit working. She called a repairman but he wasn't able accommodate her with an evening appointment.
Since she had to go to work the next day, she told him, "I'll leave the key under the mat. Fix the dishwasher, leave the bill on the counter and I'll mail you the check. By the way, don't worry about my Doberman. He won't bother you. But, whatever you do, ...do NOT under any circumstances talk to my parrot!"
When the repairman arrived at Mrs. Davidson's apartment the next day, he discovered the biggest and meanest looking Doberman he had ever seen.
But just as she had said, the dog just lay there on the carpet, watching the repairman go about his business. However, the whole time he was there, the parrot drove him nuts with his incessant yelling, cursing, and name-calling.
Finally the repairman couldn't contain himself any longer and yelled, "Shut up, you stupid ugly bird!" To which the parrot replied, "Get him, Spike!""
Posted by: Flatus
| April 21, 2008 7:40 AM
Thanks Craig. Great job on C-span. I love listening and watching your appearances on T.V. You have kept me in turn with this race.
You have a great personality for t.v.. Can't wait till you have your own news program.....Everyone would welcome you into their homes.
Posted by: Tan | April 21, 2008 7:41 AM
Should have been less 5%.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| April 21, 2008 7:43 AM
What is up with David Schuster these days? It sounds like he went to Camp Olbermann.
Posted by: blueINdallas | April 21, 2008 7:53 AM
Well it looks like the Nazi's in the White House won't have any safe haven to hide out in very soon.
Der Fuhrer Adolph Bush bought property in Paraguay which is famous for allowing Criminals and Nazi's hide out in as they have no extradition treaty with us or many other countries.
* The Cuban news service reports that George W. Bush has purchased 98,840 acres in Paraguay, near the Bolivian/Brazilian border.
* Jenna Bush paid a secret diplomatic visit to Paraguayan President Nicanor Duarte and U.S. Ambassador James Cason. There were no press conferences, no public sightings and no official confirmation of her 10-day trip which apparently ended this week.
* The Paraguayan Senate voted last summer to “grant U.S. troops immunity from national and International Criminal Court (ICC) jurisdiction.”
* Immediately afterwards, 500 heavily armed U.S. troops arrived with various planes, choppers and land vehicles at Mariscal Estigarribia air base, which happens to be at the northern tip of Paraguay near the Bolivian/Brazilian border. More have reportedly arrived since then...
Read the rest at link below.
http://politicsplus.blogspot.com/
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| April 21, 2008 7:54 AM
Actually, AP, the old practice followed by most South American countries of granting amnesty to dictators of neighboring countries went a long way in minimizing the bloodshed that would have occurred in violent changes of government.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 21, 2008 8:03 AM
Flatus...
They have a new leader who is a former priest. The laws may be changed or the old rulers might want to try to eliminate him.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| April 21, 2008 8:10 AM
re: Craig's comments on CSPAN
(1) Too much analysis of polls and not enough thought about the significance of the HUGE crowds Obama attracts.
(2) Craig defends Stephanopoulos & Gibson for their wretched debate saying, "they were just doing their jobs." Voters want to hear about substantive issues not flag pins, no matter what the MSM mindset is.
(3) Rove's Marxian comments. Republicans are afraid of Obama so Rove is trying to help Clinton win the primary.
Posted by: nash
| April 21, 2008 8:12 AM
Clinton on Olbermann tonight. That should be interesting. He has turned into such an ass about her campaign, I wonder if he will keep it up to her face.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 8:16 AM
Huffingtonpost.com is full of anti-Hillary articles today.
Consensus: she can't win but she won't give up until she's destroyed the Democratic party.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/politics/
Posted by: nash
| April 21, 2008 8:19 AM
BlueinDallas: Yes, Craig needs to get on MOJO immediately. Schuster's talking points fell flat this morning and Joe was more than a little dismissive. Ouch.
Posted by: Ally
| April 21, 2008 8:20 AM
Jamie: Frankly I was surprised to see her going on KO. On the other hand, you have to give her credit for at least attempting to make inroads with the voters she doesn't have.
Posted by: Ally
| April 21, 2008 8:22 AM
Hillary over the weekend: "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. And I'm comfortable in the kitchen."
Ah, those tricky Clintons, so clever with words. Notice that she doesn't actually say that she COOKS anything. When she says she is "comfortable in the kitchen" she means she likes to go there and watch the SERVANTS work.
Fact: Since Bill became governor, they have had servants. She probably hasn't boiled an egg since the 1980s.
Posted by: nash
| April 21, 2008 8:26 AM
That's ridiculous. I made some toast in the fall of 1994. It took three tries, but I did it myself.
-Hillary
Posted by: nash
| April 21, 2008 8:30 AM
Nash-The kitchen comments are a metaphor. Do you think HST boiled eggs? Do you think Obama Cooks? My , the Obamas are getting agitated anticipating tomorrows results. What is up with taking a shot at HRC not boiling eggs? Is that all you got?
Posted by: Melanie | April 21, 2008 8:31 AM
Jamie, I sense that Olbermann is the type of person who can't look power in the eye without cowering.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 21, 2008 8:32 AM
I imagine that Hillary will be very well prepared for what every nasty things KO will throw at her. I have a feeling she will be very "presidential" with humor, as that show really isn't prim and proper, but more of a joke.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 21, 2008 8:35 AM
Jamie & Flatus, Can't you still hear KO's ridiculous rant about Ferraro? What an ass he made out of himself. I guess he is trying to keep his job not DO his job.
Posted by: Melanie | April 21, 2008 8:36 AM
Hillary on KO? She'll try to "charm" him.
As Craig said on C-SPAN, the newest Clinton tactic will be to go "positive."
Posted by: nash
| April 21, 2008 8:39 AM
AP, the dictator that comes to mind when I think about Paraguay is Alfredo Stroessner.
He of course was an active participant in accepting exiled dictators and he benefited from that practice when it was his turn to be ousted.
Stroessner on, I think it might have been Wednesdays, used to hold 'court' for any citizen who wanted to petition the government. That populist touch was appreciated.
And, of course, there was the Peron exile to Spain and Baby Doc's to France, etc.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 21, 2008 8:40 AM
Nash
Serious question. Why is it necessary to take pot shots at Sen Clinton for no reason whatsoever? Has she every personally injured you, your family, or the country that you find it necessary to be so hateful?
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 8:44 AM
Can just see Bill off to the side of the set, watching every single word spoken, secret service swarming. KO will be on his best behavior, if not, the network will feel the wrath one more time.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 21, 2008 8:44 AM
Melanie:
My point was that Hillary's "kitchen" comment needs to be parsed, like everything the Clintons say. And yes, I think both of the Obamas cook. They haven't reached the lofty heights of the super-rich Clintons.
For goodness sake, CHELSEA probably has servants. The Clintons don't want the rednecks in western PA to know all this and, of course, the MSM never talks about it either.
But why not? It's at least as important as flag pins.
Posted by: nash
| April 21, 2008 8:46 AM
Nash,
I am curious as to what your answer is to the question Jamie posed to you.
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/04/pennsylvania-predictions.html#comment-70366
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 21, 2008 8:53 AM
Jamie:
If you, and your candidate can't stand the heat...etc.
I started going negative on Hill/Bill when they and their surrogates started uttering racist code words after losing S.C.
You know, the racist code words that you and the other Hillary supporters can't seem to hear.
YOUR CANDIDATE'S STRATEGY SINCE IOWA HAS BEEN: SWIFTBOATING.
So stop whining. Grow up. You need to get these issues out in the open now, so they won't come up in the general. (OK. I've run out of rationalizations.)
Posted by: nash
| April 21, 2008 8:54 AM
Nash,
The point is that you don't know. It is just saying mean things to be mean with no other purpose. I can say that Obama seemed snarky to me with his "brush off" comment, but that was a specific action that bothered me.
You could say that a wealthy politician talking about cooking seemed rather corny and forced, but why attack her as a human being?
As to the Obama's living conditions, when not compaigning they both have high powered jobs, are millionaires and have two children in private school. Chances are there is at least a nanny in that configuration somewhere just to make all the schlepping around work.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 8:55 AM
Jamie
*chuckle*
Do you expect a truthful answer to that question?
The truth would be he does it because he has nothing of substance to offer. But Nash is not searching for truth or substance. like any 13 yr old adolescent, he is just searching for attention.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 21, 2008 8:55 AM
Mornin' all.
As I said last week, I'll be somewhat scarce for the next few weeks - but I'll look in from time to time.
Gee, I looked and looked and couldn't find it, so I'll provide it - in the form that we've all become so accustomed to.
Give us this day our daily Gallup.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/106609/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Holds-Slight-47-45-Advantage.aspx
I really don't get it - how can people in a national survey change their minds to the tune of 10% or so in 6 days? Crappy answers in the debate? Maybe, but I don't think that would be enough - particularly since the slide was a 1-2% per day drop. I suppose the patina just isn't holding up so well with Obama getting the same or similar treatment the press has reserved for Clinton for the past 3 months.
Mika was particulary nitwitty this morning - somehow thinking that tossing down boilermakers is just too contrived, while apparently bowling, while wearing a tie and dress shirt isn't. Even Joe was mocking her this morning. It appeared to me at least that Hillary knew what she was doing in that bar. And was it contrived? You bet - just like every other campaign appearance either candidate has made.
Keeping an eye on the market - I don't expect things to look as peachy this week as they did last. Bank of America's report today is getting the week off to a bad start. - profits were about half what analysts thought they would be and oil just went over $117.
Posted by: pogo
| April 21, 2008 8:58 AM
Amazing how the Obama supporters get ABLAZE ... have to laugh at this.
Calm down people....We know you are getting nervous, like your leader....We know, but clam down...take a beer, I mean a sip..
You know,
I watched a program a week ago, I was on a business trip in Frankfurt. The program was about how and when the campaign turned negative.
They went back to September 2007.... Amazing!
Anyway,
15+ for HRC tomorrow
Mark My Words.......
The start of the turnback has begun of March 4th. If PA was a week after that we would be singing a whole different tune now. Unfortunately we had to wait for six weeks. Nevertheless we are almost here. Gear up HRC gang, we getting there
15+.....
HOLLA........
Posted by: Jason | April 21, 2008 8:59 AM
Jamie, Melanie, U-B:
As I noted earlier, just go to Huffingtonpost.com for a whole bunch of anti-Hillary critiques. There you will find the "Democratic wing" of the Democratic party.
I'm not sure what the Clintons are, but they sure as hell aren't Democrats.
Posted by: nash
| April 21, 2008 9:02 AM
UB, let me know if you get that honest answer.
Jack, I don't think nash is as you think he is. He's like many of the posters here, intelligent, in the tank for a candidate, and willing to go snarky at the drop of a hat.
Posted by: pogo
| April 21, 2008 9:03 AM
LOL..
The new campaign tune for HRC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGHnuri0dF8
As I said earlier, I will hold discontinue the ban with Larry King and watch his program, seen as HRC will be there. After tonight the ban will continue.....
Posted by: Jason | April 21, 2008 9:03 AM
You are right. I haven't heard any racist CODE words. I've heard analysis when race has had an effect or been an issue in the campaign, but nothing negative thrown at Sen. Obama because of his race.
What is wrong with saying that people who share his racial heritage are proud of him and have tended to vote as a block. Women have done the same for Hillary if not in as great a percentage.
Or I can say that race gave him an opening at national office that might not have existed for another six to ten years otherwise. Is there something you object to about that?
Swiftboating. There has been some far right garbage with the whole Muslim, flag pin, pledge blah blah but that didn't come from the Clinton campaign. There are some questions about Wright and Rezko (not Ayers) that I consider legitimate areas to question, but so far I haven't seen anything more than questions, and Sen. Obama has answered those with saying his judgement might have been poor (Rezko) or response not been strong enough (Wright)
It seems to me that the media is making a negative climate with the constant repetition of single remarks and that it is the 24 hour noise machine more than any actual actions on both sides.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 9:07 AM
Here's part of the reason that oil is over $117 a barrel.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i5TtajgUpSm7KY5jf-lCJGHBB-tAD9065F9G1
or...
http://www.congoo.com/news/2008April21/Oil-spikes-tanker-attack
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| April 21, 2008 9:08 AM
pogo,
not holding my breath : )
There is a segment of society that loathe the Clintons, no matter what.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 21, 2008 9:09 AM
Jamie, Whiskey...
Pay no attention to the sputtering sounds that come from Nash. He is just a little Piper Cub that ran out of actual fuel on this blog several weeks back, and had to make an emergency landing on the Adolescent Humor airstrip.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 21, 2008 9:13 AM
I'm still feelin' a 12-15% win for Hillary in PA.
Late voters have broke for Hillary in 20 of 27 contests where exit polling data is available. On average she wins about 50% of those to O's 43%. Criag had it right...so if she keeps that up...she should do very well.
I seem to remember some of those more unreliable polls saying RI had closed to within a couple of points and she blew him out by 18%
ARG has her at 13% as of yesterday and Suffolk @ 10% (also been pretty reliable) other polls show movement in her direction over the weekend:
"Polls Show Possible Movement To Clinton In Pennsylvania"
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/polls_show_possible_movement_t.php
I'm thinking SurveyUSA might release today...they'll be a pretty good indicator.
O' supporters should just prepare themselves for a bad night and a long week of everyone saying Obama's poor performance, whining after the debate and bitter comments being his downfall in PA.
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 21, 2008 9:13 AM
Nash,
"'m not sure what the Clintons are, but they sure as hell aren't Democrats."
The Clintons are Democrats. The Huffington, Kos etc group are the old Socialist/Progressive wing of the party that has existed since at least the 1920s with some strains going back to before the turn of the last century. They have never held the Presidency, darn few Senate seats and not all that many places in the House. Their purpose has always been to nag and push the bulk of the party into taking certain positions (work laws, unions, social security etc.).
As with any extreme wing whether the right or left, they tend to crash and burn after a few years of being effective.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 9:17 AM
OK...I'll admit this worries me a little
SurveyUSA only plus 6% as of today
I'll modify and say it'll be 10% like OH. Going purly off the fact that when everyone else had NH wrong Suffolk is the only poll that got it right. Let's hope this isn't one of those that SurveyUSA hits on the head.
Yes, I'll admit 10% doesn't make me happy. I hope she surprises us.
http://www.nbc10.com/politics/15943088/detail.html
OK...I take it all back - tomorrow will be more of a nail biter than we think and let's keep our fingers crossed that she picks up her 50% of last minute voters like always to at least push her to that 10% + mark.
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 21, 2008 9:19 AM
Since Obama has outspent Hillary $8.6 million to $3.6 million on advertising, flooding the PA market with his ads(11,788 to 4,955) as of April 17 (NYT) it would seem that Obama must win outright to establish his claims that he is the one who can win in November.
Anything less than a win by Obama, suggests a serious flaw in his campaign rhetoric.
While his media contingent is doing its best to put this on Hillary to win a huge victory & that as long as Obama reduces her margin of victory to less than (pick any # you want) he is the real winner,---if he can not win PA straight up , then the Dem. party has a real problem in November.
Posted by: Coreen | April 21, 2008 9:21 AM
Come on Wendy....
getting scared?????
She wil win hands down.
Posted by: Jason | April 21, 2008 9:23 AM
I'm not "ablaze." I'm just pointing out one more inconvenient truth. Hillary hasn't been in a kitchen for decades except to make sure that the "help" weren't stealing the silverware.
None of you has addressed the substance of my remarks, just fired off a bunch of random personal insults. Gee. I wonder where you learned to do that?
I don't mind the attacks; I just wish they were funnier. Isn't there at least one Oscar Wilde in Hillary's camp?
"Either these curtains go, or I do."
Posted by: nash
| April 21, 2008 9:23 AM
Coreen,
Not a word to much.
The analysis is brilliant. Simple, but Brilliant!
Posted by: Jason | April 21, 2008 9:24 AM
"I'm not sure what the Clintons are, but they sure as hell aren't Democrats."
Good...since I think the Democratic party has lost its collective mind...I'm glad to hear this...whatever they are...I want to be...cuz I don't want to be part of the joke they call the Democratic Party anymore.
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 21, 2008 9:24 AM
Good Morning Craig.
I enjoyed your interview on C-Span far better than other communication venues because it is extremely polite and allow you a generous amount of time to make your point, so its a worth while investment of time.
I hadn't planned to post here but Craig the Obama supporters are the extreme radical embarrassing part of the democratic party. They are rude, obnoxious, belligerent, and most importantly politically ignorant. They do not deal in facts, rather they deal in distortion, canards, intimidation of more centrist enlightened elements of the Democratic party.
What I want to do is encourage the centrist part of our party especially those that support Hillary to stand up and take control of our party "GET OUR PARTY BACK!"
Hillary did not have it exactly right, there is a conspiracy, a vast left wing conspiracy that if not stopped will destroy the Democratic party. You think they are not racist because they back Obama...Ha! Guess again! There is a story unfolding that during Harold Ford Jr's campaign for the Senate some of Coker's 527's were paid for by none other than a very left wing radical political organization. Do not trust these radical left wingers, do not buy into this garbage that Obama will reach across the aisle,that will hardly be the case.
The radical left wants to perform a bloody coup of the DLC wing of the Democratic party, they did it with Harold Ford Jr. now they want to do it with Hillary, Wake up before its too late do not allow these radical people to destroy the Democratic party
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 9:25 AM
Nash- "the substance of myremarks?"
I'm sorry I didn't notice any.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 21, 2008 9:26 AM
"She wil win hands down."
Jason - I totally agree she will win but the narrative changes around 10%
Less than 10%...the narrative is that Hillary is done.
More than 10%...the narrative is that he outspent her and can't close the deal, debate hurt him, whining hurt him, etc.
To us, a win is a win and we move forward. But the reality is is that it is all about the narrative coming out of PA.
I'll keep my fingers crossed that we'll get a nice surprise like RI which I only expected her to win by 5% and she killed him at 18%.
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 21, 2008 9:30 AM
"segment of society that loathe the Clintons"
They are called right wing Republicans which seems to be where all of the Obama folks are getting their ammunition. You have to wonder why they want to stop her so badly that they are willing to unite. Are the Obama folks secret Freepers? :-)
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 9:31 AM
nash, huffpo has been probama and anti hillary for months. You know it, I know it, we all know it. Anytime I want to find columns that are anti Hillary, I can go there. I swore off the site in February because of the editorial bias there that mirrored Arianna's rabid probama views. There you find the Huffington wing of the democratic party - I can remember when you could find the Huffington wing of the Republican party, which was buitl on an antiClinton bias stated loud and often on every frickin' was before there was a Huffington Post, and it wasn't so many years ago. I wouldn't b e so smug about her as the defining standard for democrats.
And Bill and Hillary may not be far enough left for you, but they are decidedly Democrats.
Posted by: pogo
| April 21, 2008 9:32 AM
Back to reality: those darn "numbers."
The notoriously progressive, left wing Bloomberg.com on why Hillary can't win. (Unless she can capture the ring of power before Frodo throws it in Mount Doom.)
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aLDu9y9lW3EY&refer=politics
Posted by: nash
| April 21, 2008 9:33 AM
Hillary takes Pennsylvania by 15...I will go out on the limb with that but I feel confident I'm close :-))
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 9:33 AM
Heather,
I hope you are right or on the low side. : )
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 21, 2008 9:35 AM
I thought the insight Craig shared re: Karl Rove starting to paint Obama as a "socialist" or "marxist" was very interesting. Of course I was rather amused as well. After living 10 years in Mainland Europe, I can tell you that socialists are very active in the coalition governments in most of the countries I know about. Here is Belgium, the split is between parties and also linguistic divide. The Flemish socialists have refused to join in coalition with the Christian Democrats, but the French socialists did join to push their agenda especially for their region.
Anyway, it's because of the socialists being a force in Belgium so long that we have such strong social security, health care, nearly 1 month vacation for everyone along with a 13th month salary. Oh, as a business owner I don't get as much social security and I don't get paid vacations or a 13th month salary.
But, interesting how different the viewpoints are in American culture compared to European nations. Sales taxes and income taxes are HIGH, but more people live with a comfortable financial standard.
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 21, 2008 9:36 AM
Pogo
You have to get a kick out of Ariana. She will go wherever the money is even if it means a swing from right to left that would give most people incurable motion sickness.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 9:36 AM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/RCP_PDF/Suffolk_PADemsMarginals_4_20_08.pdf
Clinton by 12 or more
Posted by: POLLCAT | April 21, 2008 9:37 AM
Perfect example of political ignorance...when Obama supporters are so intellectually lazy they resort to lame websites to support they flawed candidate. Obviously the process of thought and knowledge is a foreign concept for them ♪♪la la la la♪♪
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 9:39 AM
U-B: The substance of my remarks?
Unless you listen carefully to what the Clintons say, they will trick you with carefull phrasing, designed to mislead.
You know, the old "Slick Wille" tactic.
Of course, they fool some of the people all of the time.
Posted by: nash
| April 21, 2008 9:40 AM
Are the new poll numbers now really going to show what is happening in PA. Are they trying to do a little damage control here so they look good on Wednesday. After spending tons of money in PA and lose what message does this send?
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 21, 2008 9:42 AM
Heather,
How did you do the musical notes? Send me an email
webthings at comcast dot net
Thanks
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 9:42 AM
I woke up to find six Amish boys/men ? in my neighbor yard. They are building an addition - Reminded me of that movie "The Witness"
"The Amish do not educate their children past the eighth grade, believing that the basic knowledge offered up to that point is sufficient to prepare one for the Amish lifestyle."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 21, 2008 9:44 AM
Nash:
Like Obama hasn't used catch phrases LOL! "embittered" "cling to guns and religion"
Hillary has more guts, at least she says it in the open straight out, she doesn't act like a sissy and does it in stealth to a San Francisco crowd.
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 9:44 AM
Jamie said "Are the Obama folks secret Freepers? :-)"
I am not a Freeper. The same could be said for your side Jamie with all the people that have said it is my girl or I either don't vote or will vote for McCain. I will vote for either candidate because I am a Democrat and I believe it most important that we elect a Democrat after 8 years of Repub slash and burn to this country.
Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.
Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!
Posted by: yo soy Horsedooty!
| April 21, 2008 9:45 AM
AP, that might explain today's price to a point - the possibility of supply disruption can cause nervous futures traders to pay more - if we see more of this, I expect it will have an impact. But yesterday's price was only about a buck less, and no tanker had been attacked. Oil has been on a steady rise from $99 a barrel on March 28, and gasoline prices jumped more than 30 cents per gallon last week, before any tanker attack. I think Krugman's article today does a better job of explaining the pressures on oil than does a single attack on a tanker.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/opinion/21krugman.html?_r=1&hp&oref=login
Posted by: pogo
| April 21, 2008 9:45 AM
on the price of oil I suspect it is because the dollar is so far down. Plus, nearly everything made uses a petroleum product in some form or fashion.
Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.
Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!
Posted by: yo soy Horsedooty!
| April 21, 2008 9:48 AM
NYT: Obama strikes back in PA. He blankets the state with negative ads. (Welcome to the kitchen, Hillary.)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/politics/21dems.html?ref=politics
Posted by: nash
| April 21, 2008 9:49 AM
Nash
The Amish give their children what used to be the common eighth grade standard. That is darn close to second year college for most students now except that the math and science tends to be more basic and the history somewhat outdated.
One of my grandfathers only had formal schooling until the fifth grade. He was a great reader and something of a math whiz when it involved the basics of add, subtract, divide and multiply. When his children were bringing home algebra problems, he would tell them, "I'll tell you the answer but you will have to put in the X, Ys, and Zs on your own."
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 9:49 AM
Vadaryl
The SD´s said that they are in no rush....
That should say enough.
After spending nearly 10Million, he still is incapable of wining? Come on.
He even brought the Kennedy´s to town. On the other hand I don´t know if it is a advantage, I mean look at CA and Ma. LMPO
He knows, he needs to deliver. Some SD´s are going to flock to HRC is he loses this one in double digits. If she wins in single, they will wait....But if she wins in DD the moving will start
Anywho,
15!
Posted by: Jason | April 21, 2008 9:50 AM
Horsedooty,
You aren't in the group that I was speaking of. You are far to sane, kind, and thoughtful with actual reasons for supporting your candidate without attacking Sen. Clinton as a human being. That is way different than the virulant attacks from the wild eyed Huffington types.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 9:52 AM
Heather...
"I hadn't planned to post here but Craig the Obama supporters are the extreme radical embarrassing part of the democratic party. They are rude, obnoxious, belligerent, and most importantly politically ignorant. They do not deal in facts, rather they deal in distortion, canards, intimidation of more centrist enlightened elements of the Democratic party."
Well we now know that Heather thinks the 90% of AA's who are voting for Obama are the radical embarrassing part of the Democratic Party.
I'm sure that they'll appreciate your thoughts if Hillary becomes the nominee. Do you think that if they feel all of Hillary's supporters feel like you do that they will vote for her?
I guess we will have to see if she gets the nomination if they will stay home or vote for Nader or McCain.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| April 21, 2008 9:53 AM
Dear Jamie:
I'd love to, but I do not have your email
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 9:54 AM
anon-paranoid:
The same rule applies to Obama
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 9:56 AM
On the price of oil, there is a commercial running now about how they have fuel for 160 million (or something like that) for the next 60 years. Sounds like a lot until you say there are over 300 million people in the U.S., alone, almost 7 billion worldwide, and the earth's population even with population controls is increasing at a rate that will put us at 9 billion by 2025.
Right now there are twice as many people on earth as there were when I was born. Anybody getting hungry?
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 9:56 AM
Interesting piece on Gore-Lieberman
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/weekinreview/20broder.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 21, 2008 9:57 AM
I just can't wait to hear the spin after hillary wins
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 21, 2008 9:58 AM
OK OK - Jason, Heather and Pollcat - I'm with you no more fretting...BIG WIN for Hillary in PA! You've convinced me.
;-)
Off to work...and busy today so won't be able to check in. See you all for the primary tomorrow..
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 21, 2008 9:59 AM
Heather,
It was in the message but set up so the robots couldn't grab it: Here it is again.
webthings at comcast dot net
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 9:59 AM
Dear Jamie:
How do I contact you or email you?
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 10:02 AM
Fantastic interview on c-span, Craig. The comments re listening to Rove and co were right on. I do this all the time--listen to Rush as long as I can bear it or Hannity so I can see what they're saying. My own view, the right win is going to cream Obama in November if he's the nominee. He won't even win all the states Kerry and/or Gore won, and he's going to lose Ohio, Fla, MO, WV, NH, and PA. He can't possibly win the electoral college if he loses all of these states, can he Craig?
Posted by: Lynn | April 21, 2008 10:03 AM
Oh okay:
Thank you Jamie
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 10:04 AM
Talking heads last night still wanted Hillary to quit. Would any of you quit knowing that you may win by 10 or more points. No Way, take it to the end.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 21, 2008 10:05 AM
Great to see Craig on c-span, but I for one would like to see him back on MSNBC. If you agree, post at:
http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/thread.aspx?threadid=635478
of email David Gregory (the only balanced show left on MSNBC::
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23580538/
Posted by: Lynn | April 21, 2008 10:06 AM
Heather...
So if that's the case than I guess this also applies to the Hillary supporters.
"I hadn't planned to post here but Craig the Hillary supporters are the extreme radical embarrassing part of the democratic party. They are rude, obnoxious, belligerent, and most importantly politically ignorant. They do not deal in facts, rather they deal in distortion, canards, intimidation of more centrist enlightened elements of the Democratic party."
You notice I changed Obama to Hillary since you say you Hillary supporters won't vote for Obama in he's the nominee.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| April 21, 2008 10:06 AM
Nash-
re: your comments about Craig's appearance-
I don't think the size of the crowds in Pa. is what counts-what matters is how many of those people were registered as Democats a month ago as Pa. law requires.
If Obama had performed brilliantly in the debate, his supporters(that includesMSM) would not have complained about the questions asked. Because he was a disaster, supporters used a classic tactic--
"Attack The Messenger"--right Craig?
Posted by: ubns
| April 21, 2008 10:06 AM
jamie, Ariana can certainly smell a dollar and pursue it with dogged determination. LOL
Heather, you are an potimist, and I hope you're right (I'm GUESSING it will be more like 8% with a 125,000 vote margin).
Posted by: pogo
| April 21, 2008 10:06 AM
I heard that the PA gov only won 11 counties is that true?
The Pa TV & Radio stations must love all the money they got from Obama. They should thank Hillary for not getting out of the race. Also the network guys should too. Why would they want her to quit, look at all the ratings they are getting.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 21, 2008 10:08 AM
heather, make that an OPTIMIST. (I don't even kow what a potimist is - but I think it has something to do with either indoor gardening or sanitary waste disposal).
Posted by: pogo
| April 21, 2008 10:08 AM
Jason, Heather, Wendy, Pollcat
Happy to go out on that limb with you all--but will be pleased with any Hillary win--by whatever margin it may be.
LaLi---Glad to see you are still here--missed your comments--hope it wasn't because the Royals are hovering at .500, but then so are my (& Heather's) Yankees--isn't it great that baseball season is just starting.
Posted by: Coreen | April 21, 2008 10:16 AM
vad, nope. Rendell won 31 counties against Lynn Swann.
http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/datagraph.php?year=2006&fips=42&f=0&off=5&elect=0
Posted by: pogo
| April 21, 2008 10:17 AM
http://www.nbc10.com/politics/15943088/detail.html
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 21, 2008 10:17 AM
Dear Pogo:
The undecided alone is 8% and he has a about a 7% lead in decideds so like I said I'll go on the limb and say about 15 hive or take 2 either way
-Heather :-))
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 10:19 AM
Thanks I thought that was to low.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 21, 2008 10:20 AM
What do he do the first time around?
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 21, 2008 10:21 AM
There are bright spots in the market - if you consider depresson and impotence bright spots.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/business/AP-Earns-Eli-Lilly.html
I want to know how many people are taking both - could set up a vicious cycle.
Posted by: pogo
| April 21, 2008 10:23 AM
The radical left wants to perform a bloody coup of the DLC wing of the Democratic party, they did it with Harold Ford Jr. now they want to do it with Hillary, Wake up before its too late do not allow these radical people to destroy the Democratic party
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
I became an independent after reeling from the hurtful stupidity and "intolerance" of the far left. Horrified by the religious right made this my only choice. I have lived amongst conservatives and the far left and found the latter to be the more injurious to the people and issues I care about.
toast.
Posted by: Milquetoast | April 21, 2008 10:24 AM
http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/board.aspx?BoardID=780
Posted by: Lynn | April 21, 2008 10:29 AM
Dear Coreen:
Thank you, as for my Yankees, well they have problems first Jeter pulled a quad and was out a few days now A-Rod same injury, Posada still so so [shoulder] Cano, Giambi, Damon slumping, and the Yankees stupid resistance of putting Joba in the starting rotation but he is still out [bereavement leave] for his ill dad.
I look forward to things improving, Pope Benedict XVI celebrated Mass at Yankee Stadium, miracles do happen:-))
Things will work out in time,
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 10:29 AM
vad - closer. Looks like 18 counties won by Rendell in '02.
http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/state.php?year=2002&fips=42&f=0&off=5&elect=0
Note that the map looks a lot like the "insulting" description of PA that Carville described.
Heather, I hope you are right, and aside from Craig, this morning Chuck Todd suggested that the undecided vote in PA favors Clinton. That is hardly desperation, is it, notwithstanding the incisive analysis of our local observer?
Posted by: pogo
| April 21, 2008 10:30 AM
I am surprised the undecided is so high this late in the game.
If Hillary wins those same 18 or so counties she could get that 10% win.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 21, 2008 10:38 AM
Heather are you having trouble reading my message?
webthings at comcast dot net
If so, just go to my blog and send me an email from there. Just click on "complete profile".
http://jdurward.blogspot.com
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 10:38 AM
It seems to me that there are unsaid reasons for many of the criticisms of Clinton and elevation of Obama by the democratic party leaders. (The reasons for Obama's and the conservatives are more obvious.) Statements extolling Obama for being "a special person", "the one to unite us", "a once-in-a-lifetime candidate", "he inspires us", and "the one" (to solve the Matrix? as Jon Stewart said) are vague hyperbole, especially given that Obama's campaign style and strategies seem pretty typical of those used by his endorsers when they ran campaigns. I can see how young voters could be influenced by this kind of talk, but the seasoned Dem. leaders know that there is way more to running the country than "inspiring" people." I've watched Rove and others lay out the "socialist" descriptions of Obama (& to a lesser extent, Clinton), and can not figure out why the dem. leaders are ignoring the benefit of having a more centrist candidate run against McCain. All I can conclude is that Bill Clinton's own centrist way of getting things done during his administration alienated the dems. who did not want to compromise with repubs. (which is what centrist is), I'd rather have something through compromise that nothing through demanding that all of the dem. agenda be adopted. Ironically, it seems the dem. leadership is supporting the candidate who is LESS likely to unite while using divisive tactics to do so (e.g., disenfranchising Mich. and Fla. voters - I do not think either Clinton or Obama should have agreed to do that, but their agreement should not be used to justify it.) I think a lot of "older" dem. voters see this as dem. leaders seriously risking the election because of their "egos", and at best, encouraging an unready candidate who may be a poor president and, in the long run, do harm for the dems. chances in the future.
Posted by: middle-aged, educated liberal who likes latte | April 21, 2008 10:39 AM
Pogo,
Come on out here on the limb with us--couldn't have better company.
Posted by: Coreen | April 21, 2008 10:42 AM
Dear Pogo
I know Chuck Todd from his Miami days,
His theory of Fred Thompson holding the conservative coalition together fizzled into thin air, many other theories of his bit the dust. He has been in the tank for Obama from "jump street" so if said unfavored Clinton it must have killed him to admit that...was he gritting his teeth upon saying that :-))
I feel good about Hillary's showing in Pennsylvania
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 10:45 AM
Heather - I expect his molars are ground to nubs now.
Coreen, I certainly would feel in good company out on that limb, but being a careful, cautious sort, I'll stay here near the trunk and just wait and watch for now.
Posted by: pogo
| April 21, 2008 10:49 AM
Dear Jamie:
LOL I just sent you a second email I hope you get this one :-))
Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 10:53 AM
Pogo
OK, I'll count on you to catch us--just in case we fall.
Heather--I agree, things will work out for the Yankees & yes, the Pope's mass at the Stadium can absolutely provide an assist.
Posted by: Coreen | April 21, 2008 10:59 AM
French Fries, Dixie Chicks And ABC: A Frightening Revelation
"Then….suddenly…. Barack Obama was having rallies that appeared to have been organized directly out of the Hitler Youth Corps play book. Children were swooning. People were fainting. College students were chanting. And chanting. And chanting. Sexy young girls with serious boobage were making videos of their sexual fantasies about Barack Obama. Rappers suspended rapping about stabbing their bitches and killing women and cops to rap homage to The One. What an honor. Busloads of young people were pulling up to state caucus sites, hooting and chanting and drowning out or driving away their opponents.
At a debate last week, when ABC developed the cajones to ask the questions of Barack Obama that the mainstream press has consistently refused to deal with, the Obama backlash was akin to the Dixie Chicks’ professional assassination. Droves of frenzied, hate-spitting Obama zombies descended upon ABC’s web site to complain. They tied up their phone lines.
They wanted ABC dead, as if ABC were a person. A death threat video directed at George Stephanopoulos was placed on Youtube and thousands of wild-assed, wild-eyed Bush Obama sycophants posted the most vile and hateful remarks they could possibly pull from their bilious guts."
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/20/french-fries-dixie-chicks-and-abc-a-frightening-revelation/
Posted by: GORDO | April 21, 2008 11:02 AM
Heather,Jamie,Jason,Wendy ,Pollcat -Hillary supporters.
Hang in there, tomorrow is our time. 4 Wins in a row, Big states, democratic states, not republican territory and little states. It gets quite on the blog when Obama loses. Tomorrow should show he cannot close the deal, no matter how much money he throws at her.
Thanks Heather, for your postings. Tell it like it is.
Julie
Posted by: Julie-Young73 | April 21, 2008 11:11 AM
I was shocked that George Stephanopoulos asked the William Ayers question. He appeared on Hannity's radio show the night before and Shawn brought it up. George even asked him if there is any other questions he should ask. I am glad he went back and looked into it and asked the question. If the media would do there job in the first place we might not of had a debate like that. If Obama and his team had problems with those questions just wait and see what might come at him next. He's seen nothing yet. The media and the reps will have a field day with him.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 21, 2008 11:12 AM
new polls out:
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/articles/undecideds-give-hillary-clinton-big-one-day-polling-zogby-042108001.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/pa/pennsylvania_democratic_primary-240.html
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 21, 2008 11:13 AM
"I hadn't planned to post here..."
--Heather
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKR3QU3dB0M
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| April 21, 2008 11:15 AM
oops - think that should have been quiet... note quite.
Julie
Posted by: Julie-Young73 | April 21, 2008 11:16 AM
Dear Toast:
I totally understand and sympathize with your post
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 11:16 AM
Interesting to watch the Zogby Tracking. They have been leaning towards Obama and now they are changing.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 21, 2008 11:17 AM
Jamie:
It seems like you did not get my email...
try this...
http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36784067&postID=5246918304760036624&isPopup=true
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 11:19 AM
Craig...enjoyed the interview.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| April 21, 2008 11:22 AM
I can't wait to watch HRC on Olbarackermann tonight!! I wonder if she is going to be in the studio with him.
For all KO's tough trash talk against HRC...you know he will, more than likely, turn into a slobbering mess...just like Obamatthews does, when he is face2face with HRC!! 8~P
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RUv5_WXgOnU&feature=related
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| April 21, 2008 11:22 AM
On the Drudge Report Headline now reads:
CLINTON INTERNALS SHOW 11-POINT LEAD IN PA
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 21, 2008 11:23 AM
stinky and I just sat down at the breakfast table for our lunch. She had me outside for most of the morning pruning trees, so I deserved the break.
At lunch, I finally had a chance to glance at the front page of this morning's Journal.
There was an article by Jonathan Kaufman:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120873956522230099.html?mod=todays_us_page_one
entitled, "For Obama, Chicago Days Honed Tactics".
I thought it was a really interesting read and it added to my understanding of what makes him tick.
I hope some Obama supporters look at it with a critical eye letting me, and other Clinton supporters, know if it is factually accurate and fair.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 21, 2008 11:29 AM
MSNBC really sounds as if they are trying to depress the vote.
Has to get over 10, looks like about 5 points, women may be leaving .... blah blah blah
There is something really ugly about their coverage. I would hate it if they were doing it to Sen. Obama. It is a public supported entity interfering with the outcome of an election. Very, very undemocratic.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 11:35 AM
Matt Man is going green for Earth Week. For some helpful (and very funny) suggestions on how you can join him
http://bagwine.blogspot.com/
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 11:40 AM
Jamie-------------------------
The " LBs "
Posted by: GORDO | April 21, 2008 11:44 AM
I totally understand and sympathize with your post
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
It's nice to see your posts and I find them a breath of fresh air, and believe it is the women on this blog that give it the balance that is needed. Too many dems see only the right as hostile.
toast
Posted by: Milquetoast | April 21, 2008 11:50 AM
In response to the WSJ link provided by Flatus, I voted for Obama in that election and do recall those events. What was not mentioned is that after Ryan dropped out of the race, the repubs. imported from Maryland Alan Keyes (an African American) to run against Obama. Much adoo about this carpetbagging and Keyes' outlandish statements from repubs. and the African American community in Illinois. It was not a legitmate republican opposition. While I supported Obama and looked forward to seeing what he would do as a U.S. Senator, I voted for Clinton in the IL primary because, on so many levels, it is just too soon for Obama.
Posted by: middle-aged, educated liberal who likes latte | April 21, 2008 12:00 PM
Obama concedes defeat in PA despite outspending 2-1
04-21) 08:38 PDT Scranton, Pa. (AP) --
Barack Obama predicted Monday that Democratic presidential rival Hillary Rodham Clinton would get the critical victory she needs in Tuesday's Pennsylvania primary, but said his goal is to keep it close.
"I'm not predicting a win," he told Pittsburgh radio station KDKA. "I'm predicting it's going to be close and that we are going to do a lot better than people expect."
Posted by: Lynn C | April 21, 2008 12:15 PM
Whenever someone tells me they are undecided, I tell them to flip a coin. Whichever side they were hoping to see land is the one they wanted even if they hadn't yet told themselves about the decision.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 12:23 PM
Obama is all ready with the excuses for losing (and it will be double digits.)
His campaign is saying he will lose by double digits because of the Bradley effect.
Posted by: Lynn C | April 21, 2008 12:27 PM
I'm getting ready to go telephoning for Hillary. Lots of excitement.
I don't have a prediction for Pennsylvania. I'm concentrating on Oregon right now.
Have a good day everybody. Hillary supporters..keep bandages handy. I notice the O's have their knives out again today.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | April 21, 2008 12:44 PM
HRC & KO. Oh, I will have to cave & watch that interview. I doubt that he will get all, aw-shucks-goofy like he did during his interviews with Bill Clinton & Al Gore. I just hope his inner-misogynist doesn't make an appearance.
Posted by: blueINdallas | April 21, 2008 1:05 PM
Cokie Roberts thought the "brush it off" thing Obama did was good. I think it was another immature and arrogant action. He is W.
Posted by: blueINdallas | April 21, 2008 1:08 PM
"Are the pro-Obama forces seriously trying to get their troops outraged over this latest ad from Hillary Clinton? Just because it contains a ten-second sequence of presidential crises (Depression, Pearl Harbor, gas crisis, Katrina, etc.) and flashes a half-second clip of Osama bin Laden as part of it? Spare me. Are Democratic political ads no longer even allowed to mention the fact that the next president is going to have to deal with the war on terror?"
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_04/013566.php
The last act of a desperate campaign
what's next mooning the voters?
Posted by: Lynn C | April 21, 2008 1:12 PM
I find concerning the increasing awareness of a number of black ministers who have signed on wholeheartedly and equally openly to anti-semitism and Obama. The Meek, Eric Lee and Wright crowd will have their man in the White House and only God knows what will be wrought!.
see: http://www.antisemitism.org.il/eng/events/30408/USA_-_Jewish_philanthropist_encounters_anti_Semitic_attack
Posted by: jean | April 21, 2008 1:29 PM
Straight from Moron's Matthews Mouth:
If Hillary does not win by double digits it's a victory for Obama ummmmm geeeeee Chris how do you define a loss for Obama Hillary getting 100% of the vote?
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 1:30 PM
After spending a lot of money and is already saying I lost but it will be close. Give me a break. Close only counts in horseshoes. A loss is a loss!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080421/ap_on_el_pr/democrats
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 21, 2008 1:33 PM
FYI: List of "Racist Code Words"
It
And
However
Aspirin
(OK. Has everyone got it now?)
Posted by: nash
| April 21, 2008 1:35 PM
New Obama theme song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KynpC1e9I9E
Posted by: Tell it to the New England Patriots | April 21, 2008 1:36 PM
Obama Supporters will have to deal with a double digit loss deal with that ☺
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 1:37 PM
PA is one of the important states and after spending a lot of money and lose by 6 points, I would not be so thrilled about it. I would be worried about what might happen in November. Also what we did with FL and MI. You need all the big states and he has not done so well with them. The states that had real votes did not go so well. Is there a pattern here.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 21, 2008 1:39 PM
It's all in the point spread...
NYTimes: If Hillary wins PA by less than 10%, she loses.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/politics/21caucus.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Posted by: nash
| April 21, 2008 1:40 PM
Here are racist words
"Obama" "Sharpton" "Jackson" "moveon.org" "daily kos" "Pastor Wright" "radical left wingnut extremist marxist elitests"
Wow those words are just dripping with hate and racism!
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 1:42 PM
I don't care who wins the Dem nomination, as long as he's the best man for the job.
Posted by: nash
| April 21, 2008 1:43 PM
Undecided Coin Flip
Jamie,
That's a good point. I call myself undecided among C-Listers, but then again New York has already had our primary. Joe Biden was out of the race, but his name was on our ballot, so I didn't have to choose between the two active candidates.
I don't take a side here, but I almost always agree with reasonably stated pro-Hillary comments and am more apt to decry the low-brow personal attacks by Obama supporters. Just about that time along comes a fervent Hillary supporter to remind me that all the low-blows and insults don't come from one side.
My parents taught me that two wrongs don't make a right.
In later years, a driving instructor showed me that three lefts often do.
Posted by: EdVB
| April 21, 2008 1:44 PM
Some Obama supporters are so lame their whole day is spent trolling the net looking for anything whether factual or not...to link to Craig's blog to try to rationalize their their support of a flawed three card monte candidate has not got half the guts and courage of Hillary
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 1:48 PM
Yes, Heather, and I think nash left "or" and "but" out. You left "Michelle" out. See, it's very easy to throw the"racist" accusation out there. It's not so easy to support it.
Posted by: pogo
| April 21, 2008 1:50 PM
LOL!
Thank you Pogo!
I stand corrected ☺
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 1:53 PM
Casey, Kennedy downplay Obama’s Pa. chances
Who is playing defense?
Posted by: Hold that line | April 21, 2008 1:54 PM
Bill is filling in time at market square in Pgh, since Hillary's plane is late. Not a bad fill in trying to keep people there so they don't leave.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 21, 2008 1:59 PM
Posted by: Obnoxious Poster | April 21, 2008 1:55 PM
Self awareness is a good thing. You should have added liar. This is a chat board for political discussion not a home for people with no friends if you can't participate based on your own opinions then STFU.
Posted by: You suck | April 21, 2008 2:00 PM
Bill is having a ball. He's on a roll!
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 21, 2008 2:04 PM
Yawn @ Obnoxious Poster :-))
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 2:08 PM
Blue,
"Roberts thought the "brush it off" thing Obama did was good"
Some women find arrogant sarcasm cute and appealing. I think it just smacks of covert hostility that no sane woman wants in her life.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 2:10 PM
Not going to win is now making news on all the networks like FOX:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/21/clinton-obama-head-into-final-hours-in-pa/
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 21, 2008 2:14 PM
dear hold that line - I think in the psych biz they call that projection.
Posted by: pogo
| April 21, 2008 2:17 PM
Great Nancy Franklin piece in the latest New Yorker that everyone on this blog should be able to relate to...
http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/television/2008/04/28/080428crte_television_franklin
An excerpt:
"We’re now in a situation that seems like the punch line of a joke told by a self-satisfied Republican on his way to the 2009 Inauguration. If you’re for Clinton, a friend or relative will tell you that she’s been nasty, ruthless, untruthful. If you’re for Obama, a friend or relative will tell you that he seems smug, and has shown some troubling judgment. Well, some people say, that sense of entitlement she has—it’s repulsive. To which the counter is: Yeah? Well, he obviously feels entitled, too—why else is he running? And on and on it goes..."
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 21, 2008 2:25 PM
“Obama Is Comfortable With People Who Hate This Country”
Lou Dobbs discusses Obama - Ayers connection
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIJIyMyqAwQ
Posted by: GORDO | April 21, 2008 2:25 PM
Jamie:
"Or I can say that race gave him an opening at national office that might not have existed for another six to ten years otherwise. Is there something you object to about that?"
I have heard a lot of people on heard that the Dems should have made John Edwards the nominee in 2004. At that point - he had one term as a Senator under his belt.
Obama has served for 11 years as an elected official – 8 years in the Illinois Legislature and 3 years in the US Senate.
Moreover, you people always tout HRC's Senate experience as some huge plus - even though it is very rare in our Country's history to elect a Senator as President. (Often because they have a long record of controversial votes and statements - like the Iraq vote for Clinton).
Obama's "opening" is not based on his race - it is based on his keen insight that this Country is ready for a change - along with his ability to inspire and organize.
Posted by: warren
| April 21, 2008 2:28 PM
Lou Dobbs is a disgusting POS
yo soy Horsedooty!
Posted by: yo soy Horsedooty!
| April 21, 2008 2:29 PM
What a fill she just arrived.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 21, 2008 2:31 PM
Would You Like To Meet The Man The Weather Underground Paralyzed?
"...Richard Elrod, ... who was paralyzed by the Weather Underground.
The man, 72 now, lifts the photograph with a grip light as a soft pinch and draws it toward his eyes like a jeweler holding up an exquisite but slightly flawed stone. He is natty in a gray pinstriped suit with a pink pocket square and a pale pink tie. His crutches lie on the floor just behind his immaculately ordered desk. Through the window of his 25th-floor judge’s chamber a gray sky pulls a cheerless curtain across the late afternoon.
In the photo ... Judge Elrod on the left as a young man, on his back on the ground, with a broken neck. The piece of crap Flanagan is on the ground to the right. He would later be charged with attempted murder."
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/20/would-you-like-to-meet-the-man-the-weather-underground-paralyzed/
Posted by: GORDO | April 21, 2008 2:40 PM
Hillary is going to have a busy night, first with Keith on MSNBC and then on Larry King. Should be interesting.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 21, 2008 2:43 PM
Good move seen by more people than at a rally.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 21, 2008 2:44 PM
Warren, I don't think it's their voting records that make senators as presidents a rarity. I think a different skill-set is required for success as a senator as opposed to a president. Can a person possess both? Sure, but...
Posted by: Flatus
| April 21, 2008 2:46 PM
Could she pull off one of those moments that gets played over and over. The turkey is on the table and she should take the shot at it. She gets two chances to pull it off.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 21, 2008 2:47 PM
Is the daily show live or tape. He's got a chance also.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 21, 2008 2:50 PM
Thanks, Latte. Keyes' 'participation' in that election will be one of those always interesting footnotes in anecdotal history.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 21, 2008 2:53 PM
It would be fun if Stewert threw him a hard question instead of a softball. See his reaction!
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 21, 2008 2:54 PM
toast, I don't support Obama - anyone around here for any time knows this - but Kristol and Brooks are two right wing tools and are among two of the last people in the punditry world I would rely upon to quote in favor of my candidate or against the other candidate in the Dem party. Doesn't mean they never say anything that's true, but that would be an exception for them.
Posted by: pogo
| April 21, 2008 3:12 PM
Wrong Toast. I think Clinton may win PA by double digits. The reason will be because the state is tailor-made for Clinton. The demographics favor her, PA neighbors NY and she has the very popular (and persuasive) Gov. Rendell (and his establishment) backing her.
(Money helps a lot more when candidates are unknown - and also when they are not all over the TV regardless of whether they are buying ads or not).
And so quite simply this is a state that favors her. (Kinda like how SC and VA favored Obama - remember those contests - when Obama "blew out" Clinton by very large margins). We won't see those kind of margins in PA - but of course they will be big enough for Clinton to claim victory by once again "beating expectations."
And the Clinton camp will use that victory and Ex. A as to why Obama can't be elected and how all these silly side issues really matter to voters. Total BS - because I think the factors I listed above will be the real reason for the victory.
But the real news will be the popular vote totals. If Clinton does not win by more than roughly 200K votes - she will have almost no shot of overtaking Obama in terms of the popular vote. And if she does not do that - then she has no shot of winning.
Posted by: warren
| April 21, 2008 3:14 PM
Flatus,
The biggest problem with Senators as opposed to say Governors, is that they have voting records. One thing that works in Sen. Obama's favor is that he doesn't have very much experience on the national level and therefor little voting record to analyze or vet for positions. He can say anything and there is nothing there to compare actions with words.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 3:16 PM
Curb your enthusiasim:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080421/pl_bloomberg/a2iykr2d8zgk
Posted by: warren
| April 21, 2008 3:17 PM
Exit poll question I would like to see answered:
Male voters for Clinton - did you base you vote on:
1. The candidate who has the most experience
2. The candidate who can bring about a real change
3. The fact that your wife threatened to not sleep with you for weeks if you voted for Obama
Posted by: warren
| April 21, 2008 3:27 PM
Poor Report On Popular Vote Count From Bloomberg
By Big Tent Democrat, Section Media
Posted on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:49:13 AM EST
By Big Tent Democrat
The usually solid Greg Sargent fumbles his post on Bloomberg's shoddy article on the popular vote count. Sargent uncritically regurgitates Bloomberg's recitation of the popular vote count. What both Bloomberg and Sargent failed to do was discuss the issues of Florida and Michigan. As the RCP popular vote counter demonstrates, the 800,000 vote lead that Bloomberg assumes excludes the Florida and Michigan votes. It has been clear for some time that the Clinton popular vote argument includes counting Florida (Clinton won by 300,000 votes there) at the least, and Michigan as well.
Posted by: Curb your stupidity | April 21, 2008 3:28 PM
jamie, apparently you've hidden whatever it is that is being alluded to too well. Maybe it's your covertness that is so well hidden by your directness. LOL
Posted by: pogo
| April 21, 2008 3:28 PM
Warren: Considering the age of the majority of Hillary's female voters, I hardly think No. 3 is a real threat. I say this as a 38-year-old woman who has been married for 15+ years : )
Posted by: Ally
| April 21, 2008 3:31 PM
I don't care who wins the Dem nomination, as long as he's the best man for the job.
Posted by: nash | April 21, 2008 1:43 PM
That reminds me when former California State Judge Rose Bird was voted out of office in a recall ballot because she was too liberal... She was asked how she was taking it... and she replied.
"LIKE A MAN!"
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 21, 2008 3:32 PM
15+
RIE HILLARY RISE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Jason | April 21, 2008 3:35 PM
I dunno Jamie. In Mr Obama's case we have his touted legislative experience in Illinois. Surely those votes have meanings that people can relate to at the national level. You know, "Present" means...
Our (SC) Lt Gov is supposedly on 'everybody's' short-list for VP. He really has a record because of what he's vetoed, and the emphasis he's put on state programs he supports.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 21, 2008 3:37 PM
15+
RISE HILLARY RISE..........
After a two week ban, my tv remote will halt tonight for 56 minutes on CNN.....
Posted by: Jason | April 21, 2008 3:37 PM
Hmmm Wow.
St. Obama is losing his halo his true nature is coming out, that of sexist male chauvinist ...seems like he is talking about Hillary throwing china and dishes like a frustrated emotional wife does when she catches her husband in an adulterous affair.
Is that the best you can come up with Barack, when the heat gets hot you resort to sexist garbage? I'm happy because garbage like that will unite women around Hillary in huge numbers, congratulations you just lost the female vote, in Pennsylvania ha ha. anymore sage advice from Mr Axelrod?
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 3:44 PM
There is a really wonderful lady on the web who lives in Texas. She makes her living as a story teller traveling all over the state to visit libraries and places that serve children. Every once in a while she gets a bee in her bonnet about other ways to be nice to kids. Her most recent one is to pay for Camp Sanguinity where they provide a camping experience for children with Cancer. Shelly figures their parents probably have enough expenses and stress without finding the $150 supplement for the fees.
She needs $21,000 by june. She is asking for a minimum of $10 up to anything you can afford. The money can be paid through Pay Pal or by check and goes into a specific bank account and will be classed as a tax deductible charity. The bank will then issue a total check to the camp from the monies collected.
If you would like to be a part of this, you can read all about the original idea
http://thiseclecticlife.com/2008/04/09/i-dream-big-lets-send-some-kids-with-cancer-to-summer-camp/
and the humorous follow up on getting Pay Pal approval here
http://thiseclecticlife.com/2008/04/20/were-pals-again/#comments
Latte's are getting too expensive anyway, so cut a couple out of your week.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 3:47 PM
Sexist attacks against Hillary in this campaign has become common fare Heather. It's a shame that it comes down to this. We read a lot about "racist code words" in this campaign, and it's worthy of discussion, but some of those who make such charges are not making "sexist code words", they are doing it PROUDLY and OUT IN THE OPEN...
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 21, 2008 3:47 PM
P.S.
The way he describes it, it sounds like he had first hand experience of china being thrown at him
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 3:47 PM
Doesn't mean they never say anything that's true, but that would be an exception for them.
Posted by: pogo
I agree with you about both Brooks and Kristol, but I have seen Brooks praise Obama for the last three months every friday on PBS with Mark Shields almost in perfect harmony.
Regarding Kristol his column"The Mask Slipped'' I thought a clever way to express a view I share. I also have quoted Mattews, Russert, Dowd without comment and I hold Brooks in higher regard.
toast
Posted by: Milquetoast | April 21, 2008 3:50 PM
Dear ET:
I agree, you are totally right...I would only add that the reason I mentioned that is because St. Obama put himself above all that and now that he is getting a little worried he is engaging in the sexist stuff, the hypocrisy is as important as the sexism in this context
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 3:52 PM
Heather, think what they'd be saying if she was, like, fifteen years younger. Would they trust her with the red telephone, etc.?
Posted by: Flatus
| April 21, 2008 3:53 PM
Brooks and Kristol are conservative columnists. Would you people please stop with the tired argument that ONLY journalists that share your opinion are objective...
Posted by: warren
| April 21, 2008 3:54 PM
Jamie, I've never had a latte, or cappuccino, or Kona, or whatever. That's the nice thing about being enlisted--low maintenance.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 21, 2008 3:57 PM
Warren where did the Brooks and Kristol reference come in ?
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 21, 2008 3:58 PM
ET,
Stand corrected, I didn't mean to suggest that no one "cares" care. Wasn't being literal, more of "what diff does it make" would have been better.
I recognize there are undecided SDs. My point is that as a group, I don't believe they will override the elected 'pledged" delegates , irrespective of the popular vote count, which should remain in Obama's favor.
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 21, 2008 3:58 PM
Oh My!
Flatus you are so right on I could just see all the midol jokes being trotted out in the 527's
YUCK!
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 3:59 PM
Warren...I know this has been pointed out to you before, but your habitual use of the phrase "you people" as a target of this or that complaint makes you look like a crazy old geezer on his front porch just blasting his shotgun at anything that moves.
It's not you against the world. Try counting to 10 before hitting "submit" on a message with that phrase in it.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 21, 2008 3:59 PM
I get to reply to two Flatus comments at once
Heather, think what they'd be saying if she was, like, fifteen years younger. Would they trust her with the red telephone, etc.?
Posted by: Flatus | April 21, 2008 3:53 PM
I remember when Hillary first became First Lady... I thought, she's such an attractive professional woman whose determined to juggle work in both the West and East Wings of the White House. I remember thinking also, "she's young like Jackie Kennedy was" and all I could do was compare her to Barbara Bush, or Nancy Reagan, and I thought "she brings a style of chic to the White House.
Oh and about age... she is 61 and so is Cher, until 20 may when she is 62. Just a thought about age ...
Jamie, I've never had a latte, or cappuccino, or Kona, or whatever. That's the nice thing about being enlisted--low maintenance.
Posted by: Flatus | April 21, 2008 3:57 PM
One of the things I miss about being in the states is the Lattes. I remember when my friend Marty and I would do walks around Green Lake, we'd stop at I think Haagen-Daz and I'd ordered iced lattes.. LOVELY... That's in Seattle by the way. In Olympia, I was always drinking those yummy coffees.
what do you mean being "enlisted" flatus? :-)
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 21, 2008 4:04 PM
LL:
Given some of the insults and the angry tone of many of the posts on this blog - I reserve my right to express a little frustration now and then by using the term "you people".
(You people are just gonna have to get over it ; )
Posted by: warren
| April 21, 2008 4:06 PM
Tomorrow will be an exciting day, it will be hard having to wait until the polls close. I have a good feeling about tomorrow, female intuition is kicking in and all signs point to Hillary doing very well, perhaps better than what is expected.
If she wins huge tomorrow it HAS to give pause to super-delegates it MEANS something that Hillary has won almost every large state except Illinois. She has a valid argument before the super-delegates
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 4:07 PM
ET enlisted as opposed to being a military officer.
When people ask me if I was an officer, I say "no, I worked for a living!"
Posted by: Flatus
| April 21, 2008 4:09 PM
Warren...
Not telling you what to do, just telling you how you look when you do it.
I'm just suggesting it might be more in your self-interest to simply slap a specific offender or offenders, rather than make everyone who is reading at that moment feel slapped. It really is rather jarring.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 21, 2008 4:10 PM
Rez mate, it's cool... I appreciate the clarification. Look, I think Obama is going to be the nominee as well, but as someone "on the other side" of the LEFT Democrats, I hold out a small modicum of hope. Nonetheless, my foolishness of earlier suggesting I would vote for Nader or McCain is out the door. We have to undo 8 years of DISASTER in this country!
We have to deal with: SUPREME COURT and another conservative judge will destroy the small gains women and various constituencies have received over the years.
IRAQ , HEALTH CARE, SOCIAL SECURITY, STOPPING JOBS FROM LEAVING THE COUNTRY, OUR EARTH -- ENVIRONMENT (STOPPING GLOBAL WARMING), INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS , ALTERNATIVE ENERGIES, CLOSING GAPS BETWEEN RICH AND POOR, EDUCATIONAL REINVESTMENT, PUBLIC HEALTH FUNDING, REAL SAFE SEX EDUCATION.. I could go on and on. Just to give a picture of where I see things now.
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 21, 2008 4:13 PM
"Crazy old geezer" or young whipper-snapper drunk on kool-aid and with no idea about the real world.
Looks like I am screwed either way....
Posted by: warren
| April 21, 2008 4:15 PM
Hey...I was trying to throw you a bone. I thought "crazy old geezer" carried a sense of gravitas. :)
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 21, 2008 4:17 PM
Warren, are you having a bad day?
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 21, 2008 4:17 PM
Lard, I find the "you people" really pretentious. And so, so dated.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 21, 2008 4:17 PM
Not so long ago someone said something to me about "your people"... and I was like "what do you mean? Minnesotans? Washintonians? Americans? " And she said "no the Gays". I started laughing. I said "well I am not the spiritual leader of this group, and they aren't really 'my people'." ...
And so it goes....
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 21, 2008 4:21 PM
We'll know tomorrow if Pennsylvanians are wanna-bee entitlelees waiting for the political mother's milk of Momma Hillary or if they identify themsleves as part of the Mutt Pedigree of America and identify with the movement attaching themselves to Obama.
Abagad-diablo@excite.com
Posted by: bugsy | April 21, 2008 4:22 PM
And the Clinton camp will use that victory and Ex. A as to why Obama can't be elected and how all these silly side issues really matter to voters. Total BS - because I think the factors I listed above will be the real reason for the victory.
Posted by: warren
warren
I agree with you far more often than not but I take exception in that the "side issues" are merely "noise". Reminds me of Shakespeare's "Much Ado About Nothing" but I see it causing a great mischief in the fall GE. Your assessment of PA I believe is spot on. My comments reflect how I believe the Reagan Democrats and Independents are changing their view of Obama.
toast
Posted by: Milquetoast | April 21, 2008 4:22 PM
"you people" is considered racist with roots back to white supremacist groups referring to African Americans as "you people frequently in the third person.
Ross Perot used that term and was booed off stage and had to issue a formal apology for using that term
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 4:25 PM
You people don't think I am a racist do you?
(Anyways, I have already said before that I think almost everyone is a racist to some degree. And acknowledging that - instead of overemphasizing political correctness - is a better way forward in my opinion.)
The GOP likes to pretend neither racisim nor sexism exists - that way nothing is done about it. And I could care less about whether someone uses the "polite" or "politically correct" terms - instead - I care about how people actually treat others.
Posted by: warren
| April 21, 2008 4:32 PM
Silly Contessa Brewer:
Do these people do fact checking and double check stuff before making moronic comments "Hillary is flat broke" geeeeee Ms. Brewer hate to burst your bubble she is not flat broke" do some fact checking please!
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 4:32 PM
ET:
When did you stop beating your wife?
(I am in a fine mood today.)
Posted by: warren
| April 21, 2008 4:33 PM
Dear Warren:
I know you have a good heart and you are NOT a racist! I believe you to be a good person. You are just misguided, if you supported Hillary you'd be the perfect man ☺
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 4:36 PM
And, here is another indication that Bush has built the best military ever:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080421/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/military_felons_5
Posted by: Flatus
| April 21, 2008 4:36 PM
Michael Moore endorsed Obama today:
http://www.michaelmoore.com
I saw him on Larry King a couple of months ago and he said that, as a Catholic, he couldn't vote or someone who authorized the Iraq War so I don't think this is much of a shock...
Posted by: Ally
| April 21, 2008 4:40 PM
Enlisted vs. Officer:
Flatus,
I hope you've thrown away the other version of that response. It was okay while you were on active duty, and probably correcting GIs, but as someone who likes to use the term, "Sir" in civilian situations, I hope you aren't one of those guys who still says, "Don't sir me, I work(ed) for a living."
I use "sir" as a respectful term, and every now and then, I get that reflexive response spit back at me. My request is that you (and others) not show disdain for the person, who's trying to show you respect.
Conversely, on those rare occasions when I see a man or woman in uniform, I know which term to use, based on the insignia displayed.
Posted by: EdVB
| April 21, 2008 4:46 PM
warren, racist is not something that has ever occured to me that you might be. A tad gullible maybe, a little misguided perhaps, way too impressed with your own intelligence and sense of logic of course (but after all, you are a lawyer, and what lawyer isn't?) but not racist.
OK, you kids, put those sticks down. You're going to put somebody's eye out. Everyone play nice -
manana.
Posted by: pogo
| April 21, 2008 4:48 PM
Nah, Ed. I only use it when it's appropriate. :)
Here in South Carolina, I use 'sir' liberally, and ma'am as well. And I hold doors for whoever is right on my heels.
And, I've told my granddaughter that she should expect her dates to hold the car door for her when they're taking her out. And, that she should never expect someone to hold the door for her when she's in a work situation.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 21, 2008 4:55 PM
"Warren Clintonista have yet to learn "He who lives in glass houses...."
More no content pronouncements from Oscar's cousin.
http://www.pimpyourshirts.com/catalog/oscartransfer.jpg
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 4:57 PM
Is Obama Arrogant? Analysis By Karl Rove
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqZP8Ww59D4
Posted by: GORDO | April 21, 2008 4:59 PM
Flatus,
You're probably right to tell your granddaughter not to expect the door held at work, but if she's in my building, I'll be holding it for her, you too, if you're coming behind me, or heading through from the opposite direction.
Heather was wrong above. I'm nominating Flatus and me as the perfect men.
Posted by: EdVB
| April 21, 2008 5:00 PM
"well I am not the spiritual leader of this group, and they aren't really 'my people'
Gee, I was going to ask where you were meeting to work on the agenda. :-)
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 5:00 PM
I love the irony in that...as a Catholic he cannot vote for someone that authorized the Iraq war...yet he can endorse a candidate that is closely aligned with planned parenthood as well as his wife, and is pro abortion on demand, pro partial birth abortion, considers pregnancy a punishment that does not bother Michael Moore, I guess Moore's logic is its better to die in the womb rather than a war
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 5:01 PM
Dear Warren:
I know you have a good heart and you are NOT a racist! I believe you to be a good person. You are just misguided, if you supported Hillary you'd be the perfect man
warren
Warren you are now the measure of the perfect man [ with one flaw} a singular and lofty position.
toast
Posted by: Milquetoast | April 21, 2008 5:02 PM
Ally,
Michael Moore is part of the Hollywood crowd. Rob Reiner has TV, Moore has documentaries, Robinson gets movies .. all the usual too rich to be practical crowd.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 5:05 PM
Sorry Ed, You are wonderful, but my heart belongs to 9/11 and Lardass.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 5:07 PM
Fox messages running along bottom, says CBS has cancelled the NC debate. Obama will not do it. Poor thing , he can't take the heat. He lost so badly in the last one , he will not do another..
If you remember Claire McCaskill, Obama supporter from Missouri, said Hillary would win double digits in Pa.
James Carville on CNN, says if she wins tomorrow, she will be the Nominee.. on right now.
Julie
Posted by: Julie-Young73 | April 21, 2008 5:16 PM
Obama is smart not to do another debate. The more he stays "on script" the better. The nomination is his to lose.
Posted by: Ally
| April 21, 2008 5:19 PM
Awwww....Jamie, I think I might cry now! How sweet!
Flatus...re use of the word "Sir." I find it a great word when it's used sincerely as an indicator of true respect and deference.
But have you noticed an increasing frequency of its use as sort of a tempering rhetorical device to offset some over-the-top slam, as a way for the "slammer" trying to preserve the illusion that he has some modicum of civility and decorum, even as he savages the "slammee"? As in...
"You, sir, are a despicable and evil buffoon who can spout nothing but the worst kind of lies."
or...
"You, sir, are worse than Hitler himself."
or...
"You, sir, can kiss my ass."
Keith Olbermann is a master of this rhetorical tic It is so phony and pretentious. I hate it, and cringe whenever I hear someone speaking that way as a way to puff themselves up and sound more important and articulate and measured than they really are.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 21, 2008 5:22 PM
Jamie & Heather: Yes, apparently Moore couldn't vote for someone who voted to authorize the war but can vote for someone who funded it.
Posted by: Ally
| April 21, 2008 5:22 PM
No problem, Jamie,
I'm not asking for love, just please agree that I'm perfect, so I can go on loving myself for it.
Posted by: EdVB
| April 21, 2008 5:26 PM
So Obama will not engage in any more debates.
Hmmm, are we seeing a preview of an Obama presidency? Will he be just like his predecessor Little Lord Pissypants and will not have any press conferences because he thinks the press is being mean to him?
Poor widdle Obama ... boo hoo.
Posted by: GAKaren
| April 21, 2008 5:27 PM
Lard, I think you are right on all counts.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 21, 2008 5:43 PM
Politico.com now has the story up on the NC no debate
.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/No_debate_for_Couric.html
4 straight loses, now no debate, opposed to letting the voters of Fla and Mi stand. He only wants it his way. Arrogancy shows in a hugh way.
Julie
Posted by: Julie-Young73 | April 21, 2008 5:44 PM
Based on Obama's performance last week, I think he'd argue that 20 debates were more than enough.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 21, 2008 5:47 PM
Dear Ed:
(((((((((((((((Ed Perfect Man))))))))))))))))))))) and I mean that as I will be more specific in my email to you later on
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 5:48 PM
Once again Matthews is trying to do his best to depress Hillary supporters I hope baldy Michael Smerconish is on Matthews Wednesday trying to explain a Hillary blowout of St. Obama That will be so pleasurable as I enjoy a lobster dinner watching Michael Smerconish stutter and fumble for excuses for a huge Obama loss :-))
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 5:55 PM
Thanks, Heather
I feel better already. Of course, it's hard to feel better when you're already perfect, but you know what I mean.
Don't forget though, I'm counting Flatus in there with me. I'm not so perfect, I can't share the title.
Posted by: EdVB
| April 21, 2008 5:56 PM
awwwwwwwww
Ed you are very sweet and considerate, a huge plus! ☺
Posted by: Heather
| April 21, 2008 6:00 PM
It's too late, Ed. By omission the damage has been done.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 21, 2008 6:00 PM
Did someone already post this here? If so, I missed it and it's pretty dang funny. And...it's candidate neutral.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/where-people-know-the-meaning-of-the-word-smackdown/
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 21, 2008 6:00 PM
Okay...Ed has a nice smile, I think we can all agree. But I think Flatus has a cuter butt.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 21, 2008 6:03 PM
Obama’s Reverent Wright-Wing Media
"Why did it take until Thursday March 13, 2008, for the nation to begin to learn about Barack Obama’s pastor, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright? The man whose Trinity United Church of Christ Obama has attended and generously funded for seventeen years?
Because, until then, we were in the midst of Phase I -- preventative medicine -- of the media’s version of campaign health care for the Senator’s Presidential bid. Call it the Plan to Protect Obama (PPO)."
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=25659
Posted by: GORDO | April 21, 2008 6:07 PM
Lard, that must be why Stinky is always telling me to get off my ass!
Posted by: Flatus
| April 21, 2008 6:07 PM
For all Ginger's and my friends...
As I sit here barely able to write this and at a loss for words, I wanted to thank all of you for your support and comfort last year when Ginger was poisoned by Hill's MD Dry Cat food.
Over the past week or so Ginger has not been eating very much and with my daughter visiting for my birthday I waited until she went home Saturday before calling the Vet.
Up until last week around Wednesday I noticed that she was barely eating. At the time I thought that perhaps she just had a cold or something or just wasn't feeling good.
By Friday when I got home from work I noticed that she had stopped eating all together and know I had to get her into the Vet to find out what the problem was. My daughter wanted me to take her in Saturday morning, but since her plane back home was a 2:30 pm flight I didn't want to have her miss the plane.
This morning I called my Vet and told her I thought that maybe Ginger had eaten contaminated food again, she was not eating or having a bowel movement since Wednesday and she said I should get her in so the Doctor could look at her.
I took the rest of the day off, headed home and put Ginger in her carrier and headed to the Vet's office. Once there the Doctor looked at her and the assistant took her temperature. She was unable to get a accurate one as the thermometer could barely be inserted.
They weighed her and she was down to 21LB's since her physical in December. They took her in the back to xray her to see if see may be constipated or if there could be any other problems.
When she came back in she had stopped doing the xray's because after they had done the chest and heart area it showed a Heart problem. Her chest was full of liquid and her heart was floating making it hard for her to breathe. She said i had to see a Specialist and called the Hospital so they would be ready to see her the minute I got there.
She gave Ginger a shot to help her breathe and I paid the bill and headed over to the hospital.
On arriving at the hospital they took her immediately to the back and I waited for a Doctor who was interning to become a Specialist while the Doctor and those assisting her looked at Ginger and the xray's I brought over.
The Doctor whom I saw the first time said Ginger had a Heart Condition and was in very bad shape. They had extracted about 100 Mililiters {I think that's the right work} and around 15ML was a tablespoon and they had done around 8 tablespoons so far. She then went back to assist those working on Ginger.
When she returned she told me that Ginger did have Heart Disease and they would have to get a electrocardiogram to see what was going on with her heart. They had her in a oxygen tent and I was informed of what they needed to do .
I was even ask if it was okay to resuscitate if she went under and I said yes. I was told that she would call me later to let me know what the current status was.
Well I just got off the phone with her and she said Ginger had DCM and it was congenital more than likely. She informed me that she might not make it out of the hospital and if she did Ginger might only last a month or two.
All her heart walls were thin and she had trouble pumping blood through her system because of this. I don't know if she will be home or not and if it looks like they are unable to get her home or if it appears that there is nothing they can really do for her I told them to put her down.
I paid the over two hundred dollars at my Vet's and two thousand dollars which was a little over the two thirds of her hospital cost which would exceed $2300 dollars.
I would give all I have if she would come home and be healthy, however at this time I don't think I'll be seeing her again.
To all of you who were very supportive last year I want to thank you as your support meant so much too me.
I can't go on anymore, but I wanted you all to know that Ginger and I thank you from the bottom of are hearts.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| April 21, 2008 6:18 PM
Dear AP: Please accept my best wishes across the Internets. Stay strong during this ordeal and best wishes for Ginger's recovery. Pets are truly part of our families and something we can all relate to.
Posted by: Ally
| April 21, 2008 6:24 PM
KO likes to imagine a kinship with Murrow. A sample of the real thing immediately shows how far away he is from the original.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYVn0hzcSs0&feature=related
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 6:25 PM
You made the right decision. And it sounds like no matter what happens - you and Ginger have each enriched one another's lives.
Posted by: warren
| April 21, 2008 6:27 PM
Ed
Dear, It's not you ... It's me. Of course you are perfect. In another world at another time (well you've probably heard all the lines before) ☺
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 6:28 PM
AP, your message is sad beyond words. Our positive thoughts are among the many headed in your and Ginger's direction.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 21, 2008 6:29 PM
AP
I am so sorry to hear about Ginger. You went through so much with her last year and I know how precious she is to you. You have my best wishes whatever happens.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 6:34 PM
AP
Please know that you are in my thoughts, please accept my sincere wish for you & your Ginger to come through this trauma. Those of us who share our lives with fur friends, who are family, share the depth of your pain at this time.
Posted by: Coreen | April 21, 2008 6:56 PM
LLib,
It's not fair. Those military guys always stay in better shape than us roly-poly desk jockeys.
Jamie,
"It's not you, it's me." You paraphrased both my ex-wives. The bad news is the second one waited so long to figure that out that I got too spongy, and now Flatus has a cuter butt than me.
Posted by: EdVB
| April 21, 2008 7:08 PM
AP,
I'm sorry to hear about Ginger. It didn't feel right to include this in my nonsense item above.
Posted by: EdVB
| April 21, 2008 7:11 PM
Anon...
My thoughts are with you and Ginger. God bless, my friend.
Posted by: harborwoman
| April 21, 2008 7:19 PM
Great article re the unwatchable Chris Matthews:
http://mediamatters.org/columns/200804160002?f=h_column
The great thing about Craig is that he doesn't do cross-fire, he doesn't do mysogyny a la Matthews, and he doesn't shill for anybody. Let's get him back on MSNBC:
http://mediamatters.org/columns/200804160002?f=h_column
Posted by: Lynn | April 21, 2008 7:23 PM
Pogo:
I can't argue with much of what you said in your 4:48 post. But of course being a lawyer - I think I can say it better...
"A tad gullible maybe" - no doubt - but it is based on an intellectual (and empirical) curiosity and a willingness to trust people until I am given a reason not to.
"a little misguided perhaps" - perhaps - but many of those "detours" can provide some awesome moments if your not afraid to be lost.
"way too impressed with your own intelligence and sense of logic of course" - no comment - but I will say that I am certainly not impressed by the intelligence and sense of logic of many who are considered "intelligent" in this society.
"but not racist" - I think you need to watch a couple of episodes of The Chappelle Show to get what I am saying. (Or perhaps All in the Family, Good Times, The Jeffersons, etc.) I think racism is more powerful underground - and is weakened and undermined when exposed.
(I also think we should focus less on off-color remarks made by people who are not racists - and more on actual prejudice and discrimination that still infects our society.)
Posted by: warren
| April 21, 2008 8:19 PM
Wow - I thought Hillary did great !
Anyone else watch her on KO?
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 21, 2008 8:21 PM
Hillary was great on Keith. My word he even held his scathing tongue and did not belittle her as I expected.
Her answer about Richard Mellon Scaith (sp) was a good one I thought. Bridging the gulf and bringing around someone who did not believe in her and changed their mind. She will make an excellent President.
Julie
Posted by: Julie-Young73 | April 21, 2008 8:26 PM
I think HRC did well with KO, of course!!
Wonder why BHO declined to appear for his own, personal Olbarackermann slurpfest??
Interesting...
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| April 21, 2008 8:28 PM
Of Course,
KO is twisting everything in the follow up specifically lying about what she said re attacking Iran. She specifically said in response to a NUCLEAR attack from Iran. Gotta give it back to him,
Finally, Sir, Have you no shame?
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 8:31 PM
Keith was disappointed that Senator Obama couldn't fit him into his schedule. When asked to provide a surrogate to represent his campaign, the Senator replied, "Isn't Keith gpomg tp be there?"
Posted by: EdVB
| April 21, 2008 8:32 PM
Obama can't risk appearing w/ KO, because there are too many unknowns for him. What will the questions be? What will I say?
It would be like another debate. I bet from here on out all we see is prepared statements.....that is unless someone catches him on their cell phone at a private event.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 21, 2008 8:37 PM
Wow, I stepped on my own joke. The cat and I were fighting over the keys and he won. That was obviosly supposed to say, "Isn't Keith going to be there?"
Posted by: EdVB
| April 21, 2008 8:37 PM
KO knew better than to even attempt to belittle HRC. She would have made him look like the fool that he is.
As predicted... Olbarackermann is not so tough, after all...he talks a lot of trash...but when it came down to a face2face...he shriveled like, like...uhhhhh...(well, feel free to fill in the blank!!!!).
ROTFLMAO!!! 8~D
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| April 21, 2008 8:38 PM
craig - your comments were terrific on c-span. I enjoyed them and hope to hear more from you.
Posted by: seen this picture | April 21, 2008 8:39 PM
The "Where Is Craig Crawford?" thread has 48 responses
http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/thread.aspx?threadid=635478&boardsparam=Page%3D1
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 8:45 PM
EdVB,
My daughter's cat does that all the time, and usually at a bad time. Last night, I was playing poker and she folded a KK on me. I was a bit ticked, because I needed that win.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 21, 2008 8:47 PM
AP,
I am really sorry to hear about Ginger. I know how tough it is.
Sending our thoughts your way.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 21, 2008 8:51 PM
Hillary, reassessed By Richard M. Scaife
Sunday, March 30, 2008
"Hillary Clinton walked into a Pittsburgh Tribune-Review conference room last Tuesday to meet with some of the newspaper's editors and reporters and declared, "It was so counterintuitive, I just thought it would be fun to do."
The room erupted in laughter. Her remark defused what could have been a confrontational meeting.
Her meeting and her remarks during it changed my mind about her.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/s_559659.html
Posted by: GORDO | April 21, 2008 8:52 PM
Hillary KO's KO.
She was superb. He couldn't shake her at all.
KO's phoniness was on full display--he undercuts her at every chance, but up close & personal, face to face-- he's doesn't have the courage to spew his venom.
And yes, once she was off screen & he had his henchman to play off, he was at it again misstating her responses. Mellon Scaife should be his idol, not
Edward R. Murrow.
Posted by: Coreen | April 21, 2008 8:59 PM
I gotta keep an eye on this, but lately, Sen. Obama doesn't appear on a screen without a flag behind him. I liked him better when he told the lapel gazers to take a hike.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 9:00 PM
Keith Olbermann is the most reasoned, courageous commentator on television. He was the first to, for instance, challenge Mr. Bush and the other criminals in the current administration, and he continues to comment when other members of the MSM cower in fear. Apparently some members of this board forget Keith's many strong points simply because he has had the conscience to point out flaws in the Clinton campaign (and, yes, in the Obama campaign).
Posted by: benjaminblue | April 21, 2008 9:05 PM
Hillary was good on Keith-O tonight.
(Although I do question to policy of using the Strategic Oil Reserve to lower gas prices. I do not think the Dems should overestimate their prowess on the economy this year. Investigations are not always the sollution. It is all about efficiency.)
But she was good (and Obama should take some cues) about not always answering the questions asked. When asked a difficult question HRC was very good at reframing the issue - going on a fillibuster for a few minutes - and then giving a quick answer at the end to the question asked. Sometimes it can be frustrating, but tonight - It was very effective. Her laughing also eliminated any tension that Keith-O was trying to build up.
Posted by: warren
| April 21, 2008 9:08 PM
Anon
You and Ginger are in my thoughts and prayers.
Cats Musical - Memory
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4-L6rEm0rnY
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 21, 2008 9:08 PM
I wasn't criticizing I was saying that he was more impressive when he didn't cave in to all the wackos asking why he wasn't wearing one.
Hillary stands in front of a flag too, but no one ever asked her why she wasn't wearing a lapel pin.
IOW, it's a stupid issue and they are both equally guilty of doing the patriotism polka.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 9:10 PM
e
Posted by: painter
| April 21, 2008 9:12 PM
All I Ask Of You ... Andrew Lloyd Webber
Phantom of the Opera
http://youtube.com/watch?v=h43VhgiYQgI
Posted by: whskyjack | April 21, 2008 9:15 PM
I also don't like the sound of "windfall" profits tax for the general election.
Some interesting Q&A's
http://pundits.thehill.com/2008/04/21/q-and-a-with-coach-k-the-presidential-candidates/
Posted by: warren
| April 21, 2008 9:23 PM
benjaminblue: I used to LOVE Olbermann, but he has come unhinged in this election. There is no balance in his show, and he only has guests who tell him what he wants to hear. Because these guests are paid by appearance, they suck up to him. The exception is Craig C, and you notice he hasn't been on in a while.
http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/thread.aspx?threadid=635478&boardsparam=PostID%3D17443574
Posted by: Lynn | April 21, 2008 9:26 PM
We Love Our USA Polka
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xgn0VRe4xMQ
Grab your flags and polka
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 21, 2008 9:26 PM
Well, Mrs Clinton batted 1000 tonight--two dynamite presentations.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 21, 2008 9:32 PM
Everyone has come unhinged. We have been at this too long.
But this too - shall pass.
(but it would be nice if a consequence of this election season would be for the media to focus a bit more on issues - and a bit less on the page six of politics.)
Posted by: warren
| April 21, 2008 9:34 PM
"(and, yes, in the Obama campaign)..."
--benjaminblue
surely you jest???
(seriously)LMAO!!!
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| April 21, 2008 9:35 PM
Thank you all for your kind thoughts for Ginger and a special thanks for Jack and Memories.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| April 21, 2008 9:36 PM
Tony Snow's analysis doesn't accurately reflect what Mrs Clinton said, as an example, on energy policy and achieving energy independence.
Clinton was extremely strong on defense policy as it relates to the Middle East. She understands the (coercive) nuclear 'tool' and how it can be used to our advantage in that region. She also understands that the only way we can get true allies in the region is through mutual defense arrangements.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 21, 2008 9:40 PM
Tony Snow looks great!!
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| April 21, 2008 9:44 PM
Fer all them young pups out there.
Frankie Yankovich
http://youtube.com/watch?v=O2so01-s5fg
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 21, 2008 9:45 PM
Quite a surprise - Tony Snow now on Cnn. I thought Hillary was even better on King than she was on KO.
Hillary is in the race for the people.
BO is in the race for himself.
Julie
Posted by: Julie-Young73 | April 21, 2008 9:46 PM
Flatus...
IIRC it has been said that Der Fuhrer Bush threatened to bomb Pakistan back to the stone age if he didn't help us.
Is this what you mean be "She understands the (coercive) nuclear 'tool' and how it can be used to our advantage in that region."?
So that's how to win friends and influence those countries who don't agree with us. Threaten them with Nuclear Weapons.
Yeah, just what we need, another War Monger in the Peoples House.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| April 21, 2008 9:46 PM
Good night, I am worn out and my mind just isn't into this tonight.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| April 21, 2008 9:48 PM
AP
A pet is as precious to us as any family member. I will be thinking of you and ginger..
Julie
Posted by: Julie-Young73 | April 21, 2008 9:51 PM
What happens when you’re afraid, Barack?
"Barack Obama, when he was safely ensconced in elite environs, opined that “bitter” smalltown white people — supposedly afraid because of economic uncertainty — “cling” to guns, God and bigotry. But, now, we suspect that Obama himself is scared. And, watching Barack’s actions in recent days, we’re spotting clues that he, his campaign and his surrogates are indeed consumed by fear."
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/21/whos-bitter-now-and-whos-race-baiting/
Posted by: GORDO | April 21, 2008 10:00 PM
I am back on board for the Dream Ticket.
Obama/Clinton 08
Sec. of State - Biden
Sec. of Defense - Webb (or Hagel)
Posted by: warren
| April 21, 2008 10:10 PM
I thought HRC was better on Keith. She was bending the truth a bit more on Larry King.
Posted by: warren
| April 21, 2008 10:13 PM
C-SPAN now
Posted by: GORDO | April 21, 2008 10:20 PM
Talk about a red face - Bill is fired up.
Posted by: warren
| April 21, 2008 10:23 PM
So some flag waving is in order
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyPc_sZTZUs
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYVrlBMDb0M
Posted by: Jamie
| April 21, 2008 10:51 PM
Bill makes a compelling case. But I just don't buy the utopia he spins in Clinton Country. It inspires me as well - but I just don't think a large part of the America will buy it. That large part is called Bush Country.
I don't think a Clinton Presidency will decrease the partisan gridlock. I think Hillary could unite the Democrats and bind the Republicans. And the two parties will become even more entrenched.
And the politics of destruction and distraction will continue.
(btw, one jab at her otherwise good performance on prime time - HRC should let the pundits and the historians talk about who is the "worst President in history". It is a little too contemptuous - especially when you want to win the votes of people that voted for him.)
Posted by: warren
| April 21, 2008 10:56 PM
I love how you Clintonites accuse us over in Obama-land of drinking the Kool-Aid. Yet her rallies sound like pep rallies with promise after promise.
(She does much better with interviews and debates - that is why she is more suited for Cheney's role ; )
Posted by: warren
| April 21, 2008 11:02 PM
Other than the ever popular "white men" - I heard cable news identify a new demographic of swing voters: single mothers.
(Looks like I need to hit the campaign trail. Hey Lardass Liberal - any ideas where I can find a bunch of single moms who would be willing to listen to me talk about politics? Preferrably some place where I can get a drink ; )
*warren places number 2 in the CCTM Worst Person in the Worrrlllllddddd!!*
Posted by: warren
| April 21, 2008 11:15 PM
nick:
It is an aged old system. Good cop bad cop. She can be the muscle - he can be the front man.
(And do not for a minute think that is because he is a so-called "empty suit" - Obama is as sharp as any of these politicians in Washington - even if he is a bit more measured.)
Posted by: warren
| April 21, 2008 11:19 PM
Flatus:
I think such an arrangement is a long way off. It can't be done regionally. It would seem a bit off to only assure destruction of the Middle East.
And the big job would be getting the current nuclear powers to join - because starting with nations outside of such an umbrella would defeat the purpose.
Posted by: warren
| April 21, 2008 11:32 PM
Obama was good on the Daily Show. Very gracious.
If he doesn't win in PA - it is gonna be a good time until May 6 (and maybe even till June in PR!!).
I think Obama is going to "hope up" the campaign. If HRC takes PA - I think both candidates should be back on message with only 2 weeks for 2 big contests (the Campaigns and the media won't have so much damn free time on their hands).
We saw how the nominees can withstand an attack. Now lets see who is the best at attacking McCain and the GOP. Because there is plenty of material to work with...
Posted by: warren
| April 21, 2008 11:45 PM
It's bedtime. Parting thought--nuclear weapons are there for use only if all possible diplomatic options fail. We absolutely must reestablish our foreign service. Look at North Korea as an example of how difficult the problem is.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 21, 2008 11:48 PM
Flatus:
In recent times - there seems to be more diplomatic options that fail (and a few that even seem designed to fail).
And nuclear proliferation is a global problem - not just an Iran or North Korea problem.
Get some sleep. It is going to be a big day tomorrow either way!
Posted by: warren
| April 21, 2008 11:56 PM
Hi Craig and Trail Mix bloggers,
Craig, it was refreshing to see you on C-SPAN. For once, you weren't cut
off after 60 seconds the way you are MSNBC. One remark you made that I think is particularly important is when you mentioned Karl Rove. I've been doing exactly the same thing as you, tuning into Fox news to hear KR. At first, I felt guilty that I was spending time with a man I learned to fear
and dislike as the architect of Bush policies and as an Evil Genius. But,
listening to him clearly reveals Republican strategies. I relunctantly must
admit, too, that Karl Rove is quite brilliant in a way, although obviously
neo-con and hard right-wing. Surprisingly, he hasn't attacted Hillary Clinton
in the way MSNBC has. He also maintains a sort of objectivity in observing
this election that is more like a politically savvy scientist explaining who can
win and how they might navigate the land mines. I agree with Craig that
Democrats should listen to Karl Rove.
Posted by: prof marcia
| April 22, 2008 12:18 AM
marcia:
Dems should listen to Rove - but do not think for a second that he is objective.
Posted by: warren
| April 22, 2008 12:54 AM
Post A Comment