Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

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No schedule conflicts for me Wednesday am...should be there for Craig in the Morning! Six-thirty (5:30 my time) is always the show's first interview after the news and "nonsense." Craig, do you get a choice as to what time you'll be on? ...does it bother you to "always get the first question?" ...does it make you feel picked on? I'm just wondering since it really has bothered some people to always get the first question. :)))

Hi Craig and other Trail Mixers,

Craig, you started a new thread just when I responded to your last post and my reply had some typos, so, I thought I'd re-send my comments and also respond to your new video. I hope that's okay.
It was refreshing to see you on C-SPAN. For once, you weren't cut
off after 60 seconds the way you are on MSNBC. One remark you
made that I think is particularly important is when you mentioned Karl
Rove. I've been doing exactly the same thing as you, tuning into Fox
news to hear KR. At first, I felt guilty that I was spending time with a man
I learned to fear and dislike as the architect of Bush policies and as an
Evil Genius. But, listening to Rove clearly reveals Republican strategies. I
reluctantly must admit, too, that Karl Rove is quite brilliant in a way, although obviously neo-con and hard right-wing. Surprisingly, he hasn't attacked Hillary Clinton in the way MSNBC has. He also maintains a sort of objectivity in observing this election that is more like a politically savvy scientist explaining who can win and how they might navigate the land mines.
I agree with you, Craig, that Democrats should listen to Karl Rove.
In your new post, you mention that winning PA is a must for Hillary and
you're right. But, as far as the margin she wins by, that's all relative.
If Obama loses even by a thin margin, it hurts him because, once again,
he cannot seem to put this primary away and win those all important
"bitter" middle class voters.

Today is Earth Day. Google told me. Did someone mention bong?

Craig, good observations in your C-SPAN interview.

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This will be a great day for Hillary.

All the morons on this site who denigrate her will be embarrassed as they should be.

15+

Holding on to this one......

Craig, I do not agree with you that a poor showing will not shake Obama´s nod. It will invigour more discusssion, and that will lead to people scrutinizing him more and the stumble will be more stumbles and more rambles....

He has now declined the NC debate.... People will take notice.

A double digit win for HRC will be further proof that the open caucusses with peopel voting form all over were probably a deflection......

HRC has been down, but not out. Never count her out.

Today will be another big one uphill.

Will not donate today, but tomorrow after the victory speach. Go Hill

OD,

Don´t be angry.... As I have learned in life, the best thing to do is treat people with kindness even if they are denigrating you, scoldig you or whatever...
Turn and leave

When I listen to what my parents had to go through as african americans in the uS in the late 60´s, early 70´s and what I had to beat up against sometimes in the financial sector as a black high educated man, I am hardened... But, I know that when you serve people with kindness even if you don´t get it back, you feel great....And the big guy upstairs gives it back to you

Stay cool.

We wil prevail

HRC 08
PA15+

15%...or more for HRC.
Lucky for me ..I'm on the West Coast so I don't have to wait as long....: )

More news:
Zogby released her final poll: HRC by 10%....

More news:
BO spent $12mln, Hill spent $ 4mln for PA primary

More news:
NC debate cancelled. BO would not confirm

The cracks in the palace are getting more and more evident. But we still not bitter, we do not cling to our guns and religion. Although maybe Annie O can come and rescue us..... LMPO

Keep it up OD, I am giving you the big HRC hug

HRC 15+

Jason.

Tomorrow morning I will start calling Pennsylvania voters.

The Hillary campaign here in Oreon is very well organized and is making progress.

I'm very tired..keep thinking I'll take a day off..but Hillary doesn't take a day off..The nuts on this site can keep taking potshots at her, but that only makes us stand even more strong.

I wish you could be here in America,,but your supportive thoughts keep us going..

OD
I am in awe of you ...you are working so vigoroursly for HRC, even though the polls in Oregon are not in our favor...I had it much easier here in Northern California...
But, I'm on a call network working the remainding primaries..so hope is still alive...
Thank you for all your work for our candidate!
!\~Gidget

Gidget.. The 11 point Obama lead has been cut in half in 2 weeks.

The Hillary campaign doesn't have the money that Obama has, but we are out hustling him.

If we keep working every day, seven days a week, we can have a primary victory.

I don't know how Hillary does it every day..She is a few years older than I am and the challenges she faces each day pale in comparison to what we volunteers face..it just amazes me.

I watched her on Larry King and Olberman tonight..She is such a fighter..I respect her so much.
The least I can do is put in a few hours each day on her behalf.

Yeah,
OD is a true example of all work... I admire her ethics and her hard work. That is why I always give her the warm shoulder.
The only thing I can do is pray ad donate. And I know I am doing that. Pray and donate...

And you know what?

it is working!

I know we will win big in PA. Just know it.

People like OD need to be on front pages. Giving, giving giving...

Anyway,
Let us continue. As I said earlier, I will not donate today, but tomorrow after the voctory speach I will.

Who si with me... For every percentage point difference with BO, I will put $20...... Can I get an AMEN?
Who is with me.....

PA 15+

OD
what are the polls saying in Oregon (is there a trend)and what is your gut feeling for Oregon......

OD
I have been on the call bank to Oregon for the last few days...my response has been very positive...I have hope!
BTW, I thought she was terrific on both, but her speech on CSAN tonight was terrific...she attacked the true evil..GWB!
Hillary!
Keep up the good work, OD, the country will thank you!
~Gidget

Oregon Democrat and Gidget, you both deserve my respect and
gratitude. Thank you for working for Hillary Clinton. I voted for her.
I give money to her campaign. But, I haven't actually worked for her
in a real way. I feel cut off here in the small California town where I live.
There are no Clinton headquarters within three hours of me. But, I have made a few calls for Hillary and plan to make more tomorrow and in the weeks to come.
Hillary was great on Larry King and Olbermann today. I was struck by
how confident and presidential she looked.

Two weeks ago,therace had Obama ahead by 11. Right now is about five..

There is a noticable difference as the Hillary supporters are excited.

The visits of Hillary, Bill, and Chelsea, were very important.

I have noticed a significant increase in Hillary support.

Today I was in Portland, supposedly an Obama place..Wearing my Hillary sticker, every business I visited..people said they were for hILLARY. If we keep working every day..she could win this state..I need to go to bed now..at nine, I begin calling Pennsulvania voterws for Hillary.

Marcia-
Can I call you Marcia ?I
I canl only raise money at this point...my occupation doesn't allow me to do muuch more...I'd love to be able to go off to the next states but alas, the ugly head of commerce... :) BUT..after she is the nominee...I have 4 weeks vacation...and it's all HRC's.
Go Hillary!
~Gidget

Hi Gidget,

Yes. You can call me Marcia. Your dedication to Hillary is fantastic.
If I can coordinate with some Hillary supporters near me, maybe
I'll be able to get more involved in the weeks to come.

I won't lose spirit!

The Obama pundits are already gearing up to dampen Hillary support
even if she wins in PA, especially is it's not "double digits." A win is a win is what I say.

Cool guys....That is the spirit....

I will be in the USA in August / September. I will then vigorously campig for HRC. Trying to finish chapter three of my dissertation in early June, so my corrector will have a month to challenge and then I can make corrections and move on to the US

Then it will be GE campaigining, which will be amazing to do for HRC in Fla.

O, I forgot to mention...she WILL BE the nominee!

I'm so there , Marcia..
The worst thing about this race is that I was so hopeful at the beginning...I was always for Hillary, but if it wasEdwards I won't have slit my wrists...but I think what we have in Obama is another Carter...and I've already done that. And it didn't turn out well.
I hope OD is right...if Oregan goes against BHO, it's almost be a bellweather.

I'm so there , Marcia..
The worst thing about this race is that I was so hopeful at the beginning...I was always for Hillary, but if it wasEdwards I won't have slit my wrists...but I think what we have in Obama is another Carter...and I've already done that. And it didn't turn out well.
I hope OD is right...if Oregan goes against BHO, it's almost be a bellweather.

I still feel however that Hillary will have Edwards as VP. Don´t know why this thought keeps lingering in my head.....

She would have probably asked Richardspn, but seen as he wanted to opt for the hit-and-run theory, he is out.... The black community let her down this primary. So maybe she should try to embrace them again...start fresh, anew. Harold Ford Jr was mentioned here.... However, I still think she will go with Edwards as Veep...

Don´t know about you guys but after tonight I am allready at the next stop, which is GE....

A quitter gives up, A fighter never quits!

HRC 08

JASON-
I know you didn't resond to my post , but i'm parinoid..I post ...and the thread stops.
I would love JE as VP but I don't thik thats what JE wants (just guessing) Ford has a lot of issues that are not in HRC's beliefs.
But we agree...HRC in 2008!!!!!!!!

You go Jason, Oregon Democrat and Gidget!

I'm with you!

Hillary for President.

Hey Gidget...

Don´t know, but the recent flirtings with HRC and the appearances made my believe stronger that he will be the man she is going to take along. Elizabeth is a regular on news items and is the one who is turning for HRC recently.

And Widget, we need you to call also...Find people...help us get NC.... I am happy that Indiana and Oregon are turning around, but we need NC also, we need at least a to be very very close....We need to work NC, that is why I will continue donating.....

Thank you Marcia...
Wow,I was getttihg paranoid. There is little response if you're not nasty or outright offensive...so I hang out before they wake up...I think there are a lot of thngs we could discuss...but name calling etc makes me go away.
Let's meet tomorrow when the PA rsults are in, OK?
Go Hillarry!
~Gidget

If PA breaks for HRC tonight, look for the pressure on Edwards to endorse before the showdown in his homestate......
If he doesn´t endorse BO after PA, in my eyes it is a silent endorsement for HRC.

You gotta love tis race.... The more I look at it, the more I see that indeed democracy at its best and at ist worst.

Who would have known who the real BO was if HRC had dropped out two months ago? Now we know
The more the Nancy Pelosi´s and Howard Dean´s of this world try to dictate, the more people preach continuation. PRICELESS.....

Anyway,
people enjoy yourselves today and let us make this one of the nights to remember!!!!!!!!!

HRC 15+

True Gidget,
But you just gotta block these people. Come on... The name calling is a sign of weakness..... let them continue, it is all good. Bad Karma attracts Bad Karma

HRC said it right: "If ya can´t stand the heat, baby get out of the kitchen"
And at the moment the kitchen is very hot, and it will probably not cool down for weeks to come.

We as HRC supporters know that we need to take the high road, that will bring us this victory.

At what time can we expect the first results? I need to set my alarm. It is now a quarter after 10 in the morning here in Asterdam

Okay, Gidget and thanks for your words. I'll try to come back to Craig's blog tomorrow to get reinforcement from
you, Jason and Oregon Democrat and, if Wendy is on or Pogo,
they'll usually cheer me up, too.

I agree. Nasty comments and mean-spirited bloggers drive me
away from responding. Let's not let the bullies get to us.

Jason-
I'm so low key no one notices me...but i have opinions that have made me argumentive in the past on other blogs,not to name names but the initials are(HP, DKos) but I'm on my best behavior here because I really don't want to insult Craig.
But, to tyour question, what time and dare is is it there?
(I know you are in Europe but not sure which time zone?.

We differ 6 hours.....It is nearly 11 here in Amsterdam

Jason~
It's 2:Am here west coast so:your 9 hours ahad, right?

Jason-
55 trips to the Orient and 33 trips to Europe/ England and I can't do the time change...possibly because I have had too much wine ( good wine though, it's from th Napa Valley) Anyway, the vote ends at 8:00 EST have resulted n Europe by 2:00 am , right?) Sorry, you don;t know me..that was a sarcastic remark at the expense MSM.

LOL
No worries.

I will put my alarm to 3 in the morning....Oefffff...That will be a long night and then morning for me. :))

But, HRC will be worth it

PA 15+

Matching every percentage point difference with $ 20 donation to her camapign.....

Jason:
You are such a breath of fresh air... I'm staying awake as long as I can..it''s almost three am here...so i can sleep late tomorrow...and wake up to less of the pudintry...something you are probably safe from in Europe.
Anyway, if we don't get to "talk" again...I have enjoyed, appreciated and ageedy with your posts.
IWhen HRC wins tomorrow night, I'll hoist a glass in your honor.
Go Hillary~
Gidget

Carville's on Imus today......

You can put the champagne allready on ice, .... It will be a GOOD night for us today. Rest assured.

I am going out to have lunch now. It is allready noon over here. The sun is shining and spring has come....

My parents are finally getting of their lazy behinds and going ot do some work. :)) They plan on driving form Fl to NC to stay with relatives and volunteering with the HRC campaign...... Love it......

Sur-
Please let us know
what he says...without the tuttering, j/k.

I don't care if Billary wins by 10%. It still won't matter. about ten days after this whole Pennsylvania deal, she'll lose by 15% in North Carolina and Indiana will probably be a split. Add the steady erosion of super delegates and this is simply an exercise in feeding the delusions of Clintonites. Enjoy this night Clintonites, you've only got about six more weeks before the Billary campaign is history.

Jason:
Have a great lunch!
Your parents are doing a good thing. I wish mine were here to contribute. They were such Dems and my Mom was a womens rights person before they had a name . My Dad got it really early too. If you can, I'd like to toast with you....let's try , ok?
Go Hillary!
~Gidget

boy oh boy.......now I'm worried......"Bye Bye Billary" thinks the clinton campaign will be history.......
ha ha ha ha ha
just kidding......

I’m so confident that HRC will win in double digits… I convince by husband ( a Republican) to put a really good bottle of Crsitol on ice(no small feat!)

Sturg
What did Carville sa?

He's not been on yet.......but you can access the show at wabcradio.com

http://wabcradio.com/

I thought Senator Clinton shone on last night's Countdown, too. My gut feeling is that many, if not most of her weaknesses have been either manufactured or wildly exaggerated by the MSM. I stand by my prediction yesterday of Clinton by >10%. Accuse me of smoking whatever, but that is what I really think will happen.

Chris Wallace on with Imus now...Carville must be in the last hour...

Just reading thru the early morning comments. Nice thread. Jason, you're special and I bet I'd really like your parents.

I looked at the three videos Craig linked from the WWE. The one that was clearly the best was Sen McCain's.

My intuition tells me that Mrs Clinton will do extremely well with the 'undecideds'. I don't see better than +12 as out of the realm of possibility.

ABC makes nice with BHO...
So who decides the back drops for the one on one interviews? Do they also script with the candidates?
And who decides to run the "What they will look like in 4 years" photo make over.......

Good morning...

I have not heard from the Doctor at the hospital yet and will probably not comment much this morning, but for those interested below is a link about Ginger's heart condition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilated_cardiomyopathy

Though the link talks more about this disease in humans it does mention it about dogs and cats.

Well I'm off of here for now and if I hear anything from the Doctor I'll let you know.

God Bless.

BHO, did you read the fine print on the signs that say CHANGE? Look really close... also many versions..
one says "I have the right to CHANGE my answers"
another says "why of course I can CHANGE the meaning of your questions"

Obama will WIN PA.

Hillary's desperate "Bin Laden is under your bed" ad was the last straw. PA voters will reject her Bush/Rove "politics of fear" tactics.

predictions are so tedious

Dream on, nash, dream on.

Go, Hil'ry, go!

Happy Earth Day!

Take aways from last nights Hillary interviews:

A win is a win (and she will win by 10+%)

Everyone needs to vote in remaining contests

Superdelegates will make up their minds

FL and MI need to be resolved

what does that equal: "I'm not dropping out of the race as long as I win tomorrow because Obama is outspending 3-1 and can't close the deal so shut your pie hole about it."

Go Hilary!!!

Flatus,

I agree with you that McCain's video was the best of the three...most "authentic." Clinton's ranked next, except for "call me HilRod" which was strange... Obama's would've been fine, except at the very end when he laughed, chuckled, or smirked, whatever that was...it made everything preceding seem insincere or acted out...like we didn't know that was the case with all of them, but that made it obvious. I wonder if any or all of the ads "made the grade" with actual WWE fans?

4/23 Associated Press

Clinton Campaign Shake-up

After her unexpected loss in Pennsylvania, Hillary Clinton has announced yet another change in her campaign staff.

John Edwards will replace William Jefferson Clinton as spouse-surrogate. Reached at his home, Edwards said, "My wife has her pain meds and she said it was OK for me to abandon her, again, to feed my bottomless ego and blinding ambition." Former President Clinton announced he was "going on spring break" and "trying to locate the Girls Gone Wild crew."

In a surprise move, Jenna Bush will replace Chelsea as daughter-surrogate. A campaign spokesperson said, "Jenna is younger and much better looking."

In a phone interview, Jenna Bush said that she was, "Delighted to be working for the candidate whose policies and ethical standards most resemble my father's."

I won't just SAY Obama will win, I'll put MONEY on it.

I'm willing to bet a dollar.

Any takers?

(Loser has to send a buck to the OTHER candidate.)

Nash, wake up and smell the coffee.

Good morning Craig.

"Opposition politicians said Sarkozy was reacting too slowly - nearly two weeks after the relay in Paris.

"I have the impression that the president and the government are trying to cling to the branches after the calamitous episode when the flame came through Paris," said Communist Party lawmaker Andre Gerin.

"It's a way of restoring France's image when it comes to the respect that we owe China," said Gerin, who is also vice president of the Friendship China group at the National Assembly AP

Anyone note the use of the word cling? Obama has indeed had a global impact. The subtle finger flipping has become a rage....

Carter really did a lot of good. His trip was even worse than his Sudan trip. We got NOTHING, except stupid comments from Hamas that now they are recognized and they used the occasion to launch a wave of fresh attacks.

A few days back I pointed out very specific positions regarding Obama's foreign policy and I note no one disputed the problems with them.

So I understand that until Obama wins (and it won't be today) there will be no serious vetting of policy. Then if Obama wins the nomination, the deflection will be "well, he's better than McCain". What garbage and unfortunately, not good enough. That might be political savy, but not good enough.....

Goodness, even the Obama shills like Zogby can't fudge the numbers enough

"In Final Zogby Tracking Poll, Hillary Leads By 10 In Pennsylvania"

FYI - up from 6 yesterday

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/in_final_zogby_tracking_poll_h.php

Looks like the late breakers are breaking for Hillary just as Craig indicated yesterday could happen.

mornin' all.

nash, WAKE UP, WAKE UP!!! You're having that dream again where Obama wins PA. LOLOL

Now that you're awake, I'll take that bet. O wins - I'll send you a buck - you can send it to Oo if he wins.

Well another day of nose to the grindstone - I'll go browse the overnight posts for a few minutes, mostly just to get a postmortem on the HRC appearances on Keith and LK (Cavs were playing and one has to have priorities), then see you from time to time.

OD, you are a gem - your insights about folks on the site are spot on, and thank you for your hard work.

Ping....lol

The reason Obama will win is TURNOUT. Just like his rallies draw huge crowds, his voters will show up to vote in huge numbers.

MANY of his supporters have been missed by the poll-takers due to their lifestyle which has not been accounted for in old-fashioned land-line telephone polls.

Obama people are NOT at home at "dinner time." Their idea of a nice evening is NOT "dinner and then fall asleep in front of the TV."

So, you hide your fear with arrogance?

"[A]t a diner Thursday morning, a reporter slipped in a question about former President Jimmy Carter’s meeting with Hamas, but Obama responded by saying he just wanted to eat his waffle. Later that afternoon while taping an interview for “The Daily Show,” a reporter tried to ask Obama about a new Clinton ad and the Obama ad that came as a response. According to a pooled report, the White House hopeful asked the reporter if she was “supposed to be” asking a question then. He added that he would consider answering but that it would depend “on how well behaved you are.” In the end, he did not take the question."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/21/so-you-hide-your-fear-with-arrogance/

Max..,you flippin' everyone the Obama this morning?

;-)

LOL

Nash I'll also get in on that action. Just a buck or can we make it $5?

I was watching Fox News this morning, yes, Fox News. I never watch Fox News but under the circumstances they seem more fair than any of the other media outlets these days.

It seems that Rush L. is planning on taking credit for any Hillary win today. They mentioned several times that Rush has been asking Repubs to register Dem. and vote Hillary. How pityful.

Pogo: OK. It's a bet.

Crawfordslist has now become a "gaming" site.

Craig will have to hire lawyers to make sure we are not in violation of federal & state statutes. Oh, wait. He IS a lawyer.

Just remember that the winner has to declare the income to the IRS, and political contributions are NOT deductible.

Nash, how about if we send the money to OD and he can use it for the volunteers snack fund? If by some quirk of fate BHO should win, OD said that campaign's hq is just down the street so he could deliver to them.

Nash - one large rally in a city he WILL win does not mean that people all over PA will rush to vote for Obama.

Let me just remind you of another 10% win for Hillary...OH...

Look what a pretty shade of light "Hillary" blue MOST of the map is compared to a couple of areas around large cities.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/county/#OHDEMMAPprimary

I expect PA map to be just as pretty a shade of light "Hillary" blue - except for maybe one or two little spots on the left and right of that map.

Let me revise your comment to be more rational:

"Obama will in Philadelphia"

Larry King said last night that they invited Obama to be on but he declined due to scheduling issues. I don't believe that for a minute. You can't take a few minutes out to tape a segment. What message are you sending out, also to decline another debate in NC. What he so scared about.

Sorry, Wendy.

A $1.00 bet is all I can afford.

(I'm probably going to lose.)

Obama hasn't talked to his own press pool since April 11. When one of his reporters shouted out a question to him on the tarmac as they were leaving for another event, he answered it, but at the next stop, they pushed the reporters back so far they couldn't even shout a question to him.

Hillary's latest ad is right - There are a lot of questions for Senator. Instead of acting like an arrogant jerk, maybe he should answer them.

[OK that was slightly rephrased for my own purposes]

;-)[

Yesterday to say that you may lose but closer than people think. Why and the world would you ever say that. After spending all that money and to say that the day before does not make sense to me. What is he saying to his supporters.

nash. Done. I'll declare the income if Hillary loses - make sure to issue a 1099 so I'll remember. I'll do the same. lol.

All I can say is Ohio and Texas - same setup - he and his followers here expected him to win with a big showing by his inspired folllowers. Didn't happen. If he loses by double digits in PA after spending 6 weeks and 3 times as much on the effort, I don't think it's Clinton's campaign I would be questioning. I still believe he is going to have to convince the party hoi poloi that after losing every big state other than his own to Clinton, he is the man to be the candidate in the general.

warren, caught your response to my last post yesterday. I also don't disagree with anything you said.

Nash

ROFL

OK - love your honesty and I also love your belief in your candidate. I'm the same way so can't say I blame you.

And frankly, as you know, Hillary can use that $1 more than Obama

;-)

You guys are just so MEAN to Obama.

Happy EArth Day. You have a lot of company

http://www.poodwaddle.com/worldclock.swf

Pretty soon with the price of gas going up the refund will only be spent on gas and who does that help. Thanks GWB! I wish these candidates would go back to their day jobs and do something about this now! By the time January comes around we will all be broke.

Ivy League Education

No Foreign Policy Experience

Arrogant

Won't talk to the press

Horrible debater

Who am I describing:

A. George W. Bush (circa 2000)

B. Barack Obama

C. All of the Above

Hillary on KO last night.

Subdued (but still weird) cackle.

"I'll get you Olbermann, and your little dog too!"

"Fly Monkeys, fly!"

(I'm pretty sure that one of the flying monkeys was George Stephanopoulos.)

Well Nash...after seeing Wicked...I would say you may have just paid Hillary a compliment...did you mean to do that?

Obama adviser gets laughs from 'gay' Jesus

"Video shows him introducing YouTube piece that mocks Christ"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL1Z7_IMFs4

"Another Barack Obama adviser is under scrutiny for showing disdain for America's mainstream, this time after the unearthing of video footage in which the candidate's key technology guru gleefully introduced a YouTube piece that mocks Jesus Christ.

Larry Lessig is shown at a 2006 seminar for Google employees introducing a clip that depicts an effeminate Jesus singing Gloria Gaynor's "I Will Survive." The Jesus figure throws off his robe, revealing a diaper-like covering, and eventually is run over by a bus as he sashays through city streets, ...

Lessig has campaigned for Obama and described him as a friend and former colleague.

...Warner Todd Huston of the blogsite Newsbusters said Lessig is "another close Obama supporter and adviser that seems to hate the things that the average American holds dear. The list of America hating Obama associates is getting longer every day, and now we can add a Christian hating, communist to that list."

"It's really hard to believe that any real American can support a man for president of the United States of America who surrounds himself with people who so hate this country and all it stands for," Huston said."

(Yes. I know it is WND)

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=62204

Wendy says, "Hillary's latest ad is right - There are a lot of questions for Senator. Instead of acting like an arrogant jerk, maybe he should answer them."

Wendy: Can't you just let the man eat his waffle?

Hate to be voice in the wilderness, but the price of oil should stay up unless we lower it by lowering demand.

http://wecansolveit.org/

vad - it will help Exxon, Chevron, BP, OPEC, etc. Look for a new push to drill in ANWR.

We're MEAN to Obama? GMAFB We point out him wussying out from an Olberman guest spot, poor debate performance, avoidance of answering questions, outspending HRC 3 to 1 in PA over 6 weeks with damned little return on the money, point out his lack of FP experience and inability to win big states while you respond by damning HRC with faint praise talking about her subdued CACKLE and about flying fucking monkeys? Right, I get it - substantive criticism is MEAN - snarky personal bullshit isn't. Just want to make sure I got this straight. You can shoot back - I'm sure Wendy!, jamie, flatus, Vad, and all the others who show up later can handle the responses.

I gotta go - NTTGS time. TTFN.

Gordo. It's not only WND, it's stupid. This guilt by association with no real association proven is just the sort of tactics that were used on the Clintons.

I may not think Sen. Obama deserves to be president, but he doesn't deserve to be subjected to being guilty of everything ever done by anyone he has ever known.

Moving the goal posts

Attacking the "liberal" media

Changing the definition of success

Refusing to acknowledge that the results are a train wreck

Using the politics of fear and division

What am I describing?

1. Bush's handling of the Iraq War

2. Clinton's campaign

3. All of the above

Jamie: You are not alone. I couldn't agree more. My husband and I both work from home, we drive a hybrid and our kids walk to school (weather permitting.) We shop for groceries once a week (might supplement here and there). I realize not everyone can take the steps we have but we do feel lucky that we have not been affected by the rise in prices directly at the pump. Of course, we are affected by the overall increase in prices at the grocery store (etc.) However, we have always experienced higher grocery prices than some due to our product choices. I justify this because we eat out only on rare occasions (this is due as much to the fact that there is nowhere to eat in this town by the fact that we love to cook.)

I thought I would mention a funny story about living in a fly-over state. Over the weekend I was at Target doing some shopping and, as usual, I used my canvas bags from LL Bean to load my goods (I use the large size with the shoulder straps...I highly recommend them.) Anyhow, there was a small boy in the next checkout lane and I heard him say to his mother, "How come that lady is putting her stuff in those bags?" The mother's response: "Because she is crazy."

Hillary's resume

*Goldwater supporter

* Went to Yale Law to find a husband

* When husband became Arkansas Attorney General, joined the biggest union-busting corporate law fim in the state.

* Wal-Mart Board member. Helped design strategy to deny promotions to women and blacks and to deny all employees health insurance. (Wal-Mart now #1 on Fortune 500.)

* Made a lot of money on shady commodities trades and real estate deals.

* When husband became President, coordinated major disaster of first term: health care bill.

*During second term, agreed not to divorce Bill over Monica, if he would help her to become President.

*Ran for Senate in NY State, saying it was not a stepping stone to the White House. Everyone KNEW she was lying, but she won anyway, with a ton of corporate donations.

*Voted for Iraq war to look "tough."

*Put together worst presidential campaign team in modern history, consisting of incompetent but loyal toadies. Since victory in primaries was "inevitable" began by moving to the right, to position self for general election. (Big mistake as Dem primary voters were moving to the left.)

*Faced with significant competition, launched racist swiftboat campaign, fully embracing Rove tactics.

*Still losing.

That was charming Nash. Just as snarky, demeaning, and rude as the candidate you support.

In case you are wondering why Hillary is hanging in there, look in a mirror.

I forgot to mention the internship she did in her junior year when she went up to Canada to club baby seals.

nash,

Very good. I still miss the song parodies -- one of the factors that made Ed Schultz mock the posters on the old Crawfordslist as too smart for him. (The Trix rabbit is too smart for him, too.)

Just so people here now... I wish my daughter had had at least ONE teacher like Nash when she was in high school.

One question. Do you think if Obama's elected that he will follow the Clinton and Bush way of having Axelrod move into the White House with him?

Gutted Fish no seal clubbing.

Jamie:

It's all true. Really.

Except the thing about the baby seals. I made that up.

9/11: Thanks. Who's Axelrod?

Jamie: I would, but I cast no reflection.

nash,

He plans and runs Obama's campaigns. By the first Wednesday in November he will either be the Dem's Karl Rove or their new Bob Shrum.

As has been pointed out, the dem nominee will face attacks froom the RWNM unlike any seen in the primary season. The first one is being readied - target, Obama.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1733873,00.html

Get ready Bs&Gs, this is going to get ugly.

Now really, back to work.

O/T Interesting Times article about editorial freedom under Murdoch:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/22/business/media/22dow.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Jamie---------------------------

The Repubs have NO interest in being fair, this is about defining Obama in the most negative way possible. This is just one more thing to add to the "HATE AMERICA" narrative. This video from Obama supporter Lessig, Ayers, Rev Wright (GD America), the flag pin, hand not on chest during national anthem, BO's remarks, Obama's Bitter/Cling explanation about small town America, the "whisper" campaign about Obama being a "secret Muslim", and much more all can be woven into a very unflattering picture of Obama. This is the sort of thing SDs need to consider. Do you believe the Repubs are going to play nice?

pogo,

I kinda think the Carter/Hamas issue was serious enough for a candidate to lower his fork for half a minute.

Which other candidate this year would do shtick over that? Huck? Sure as (insert word of choice here) not Biden or Dodd.

I truly HATE saying this but that was a GWB moment.

And if it wasn't Casey but Rendall who was his backer in PA, I'm sure he would have gotten something ranging from a toe tap to a free kick under the table.

"I'm cute!" ain't the answer to ANYTHING just now.

9/11: Agreed on the waffle thing. I am off sugar so if somebody put a waffle in front of me, I wouldn't lower the fork for a million dollars. But I am not running for President.

Now let's see how Obama can handle the attack machine. If he thinks Hillary was rough, it's nothing compared to what's next.

Latest report from Philadelphia: the dead are rising from the grave to vote. This primary could be decided by the long-neglected "deceased-zombie demographic." Michael Jackson has been leading the "get out the vote" drive.

Initial reports have them breaking 2 to 1 for Obama, and then chasing teenaged girls down the street.

There's video on youtube.com

Vadaryl
He will not experience it seen as he will NOT, and I do repeat NOT be the nominee.

Gordo,

The point is that Democrats don't help Republicans. This is the chief complaint of the Hillary forces that Democrats are tearing her down with gossip and innuendo.

I have no problem with criticizing him for things he has actually done or the seeming attitudes that make me uncomfortable in someone trying to become a world leader.

For instance does he actually believe the tenets of "Black Liberation Theology" as preached by his pastor of 20 years or what parts do he and his wife support and encourage in their children? (There is wisdom, encouragement, good and bad in there and it wasn't covered in the "great speech on race").

That is the question that should have been asked, not the 30 second nonsense of the cobbled together Wright sermons and the lofty words of little meaning produced by Senator Obama that followed.

Carter really did a lot of good. His trip was even worse than his Sudan trip. We got NOTHING, except stupid comments from Hamas that now they are recognized and they used the occasion to launch a wave of fresh attacks.

Posted by: Maxtrue

Max, he did get Hamas to offer Israel a 10 year truce if only Israel would be kind enough to return to their pre 1967 borders while they rearm and regroup to destroy them. Cater works another policy coup.

toas

Dear OD:

Like you I have also invested a lot in Hillary and I know Obama supporters can be extremely rude as I have been a victim of it. I made the mistake of allowing it to effect me, but I learned and evolved from that.

Just remember the radical extremist left of our party is a tiny minority always angry and rude void of all manners and refinement. They just sadly get off on hurting and insulting people, they are frustrated they never get their way or their extremist candidates so they resort to anger insults and threats.

OD just hold your head high and fight the good fight and remember they are all mouth and insults and that will never change, its their nature to be that way.

Be honored that you are fighting the good fight on Hillary's behalf and that it will be fruitful and the result of your labor will be a Hillary nomination

--Heather

Nash
I guess if anyone would know how to get the dead to vote it would be an old style, poker playing, Chicago Politician.

Jack

Nash

"It's all true. Really"

So you know for an absolute uncontrovertible fact that her only reason to attend Yale was to get a Mrs. degree? It couldn't have had anything to do with being an intelligent and ambitious young woman?

You know for a fact that the Wal-mart insurance and pay policy was discussed and passed while she was on the board of directors?

I'll give you the health care even though there were other constraints over which she had no control.

You know for a fact that she wanted a divorce but gave it up in exchange for political support?

She served a full term as a Senator before running for senator (unlike her opponent who thinks 2 undistinguished years at the national level is enough of a qualification and not a slap in the face of his constituents)

Voted for an "authorization" after being lied to by the President. It was a mistake.

There have been no racist attacks on Sen Obama from the Clinton campaign other than that which exists in the fantasies of the Obama supporters.

I sure hope the dead are not rising from the grave to vote in Philly.

w-jack: In Boston, the Irish used to drive wagon-loads of unemployed men from precinct to precinct on election day, and give them a drink each time they voted.

Is there any video of Hillary with Keith yesterday. I missed it.

Heather said: "Like you I have also invested a lot in Hillary and I know Obama supporters can be extremely rude as I have been a victim of it. I made the mistake of allowing it to effect me, but I learned and evolved from that."

Well said, Heather. Understand that all of us who demand the opportunity to engage in protected speech are at your side.

Jamie: That rant by Nash was a scroll-over. It went in one eyeball and out the other.

when do the polls close in PA 7 or 8

Nash said: "w-jack: In Boston, the Irish used to drive wagon-loads of unemployed men from precinct to precinct on election day, and give them a drink each time they voted."

One of Grandpa Ohlfahrt's relations, by marriage, was Irish, rest his soul. God bless the Boston Irish who thought voting so important that they did it many times.

Vadaryl:

This person has a YouTube account with the KO interview (and lots of other media snippets.)

http://www.youtube.com/user/cancelledbysbc

Thanks for the Keith links

Watching Fox right now and they show Hillary at the polls greeting voters. They're giving her a fantastic morale boost!

Lets not forget that Ed Randell praised Louis Farakan not to long ago. They showed the video last night on Dan Abrams show.

Has Randell renounced his praise. Randell is a big supporter of Hillary so maybe she should also rebuke Ed Randell for the praise he heaped on Farakan.

Yes, guilt by association is a bitch isn't it?

Jamie------------------------------

You are being thoughtful, reasonable, fair, etc. The Repubs will not be like that in the GE. Their approach would be to use anything that is effective - I think this "HATE AMERICA" attack line will work on enough voters. All the "sheltered" Dems here might try watching/listening/reading the Right Wing. The RW is very good at attack & destroy.

Nash

Does that mean this is Obama's theme song for PA

Beer barrel polka
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LwPdL3jXDw

Jack

Dear Flatus:

My being Irish I love my Irish culture and heritage but I appreciate and love those that love it even more.
Thank you also for your kind words also☺

--Heather

Not to be left out the HRC supporters do their own version of Beer Barrel campaigning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kIXzJH646s

GDR

Jack

Gordo

"The Repubs will not be like that in the GE."

This is not the GE. There are ways to draw differences in positions and point out the weapons that Republicans will use that don't involve using them for a source. The trouble with importing garbage is that it tends to splash. This is what the Obama forces have been doing to Clinton. We don't need to return the favor in order to point out weaknesses in Sen. Obama.

Bush's disapproval rating worst of any president in 70 years
By Susan Page
USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — President Bush has set a record he'd presumably prefer to avoid: the highest disapproval rating of any president in the 70-year history of the Gallup Poll.

Like I care.
-GW Bush

Me neither.
-Darth Cheney

Oregon Democrat, Heather, and Flatus

It's admirable that you compliment one another on taking the high road while you view Senator Obama supporters as being mean-spirited. However, one of you, very early this morning, called Obama supporters "nuts" and "morons." I am a person diagnosed many years ago with mental illness. One of the children in my family is developmentally disabled. We are both disturbed by these words. Maybe in the future you will consider that when expressing your anger or frustration.

The spin from PA should be:

1. Of course whoever wins is the greatest thing since sliced bread and did everything right to win

2. The big winner.....the Democratic Party!! (the turn out numbers will be impressive - and should have Rove quaking in his loafers - despite his false bravado....)

I hope story #2 does not get drowned out by story #1.

Jamie------------------------

"There are ways to draw differences in positions and point out the weapons that Republicans will use that don't involve using them for a source."

I don't know how to "wake up" Dems without posting the garbage. So many Dems are not aware of what the Repubs are up to because they don't follow the RW. You heard Craig on Sunday, he makes a point of listening to Rove. Many voters don't get into policy, it's about how the "feel" toward the person - that's why smear campaigns work. Rembember that article about people at a Hillary rally in PA and what some of them believed about Obama?

Could have over 2 million voters. That is great! it's hurting the party. No way!

kiki, I don't believe I've ever characterized another candidate's supporters in that way, no matter how I might feel.

Courtesy is contagious.

Why did you pick my name for your attack?

"Heather said: "Like you I have also invested a lot in Hillary and I know Obama supporters can be extremely rude as I have been a victim of it. I made the mistake of allowing it to effect me, but I learned and evolved from that."

Well said, Heather. Understand that all of us who demand the opportunity to engage in protected speech are at your side."

I may joke around about this contest being like Star Wars - but I think this Us vs. Them mentality is counter-productive.

Everyone here has invested a lot of time and energy in their candidate. And the opponent's supporters do not have a monopoly and rude and spiteful comments.

There is no need to demonize the other side in order to justify your support for one of these two great candidates (although I sure as hell admit it can be loads of fun - as long as you don't take it too seriously ; )

Good morning warren & kiki:

We have enough Obama supporters on-line right now to form a coven.

I'll draw a pentagram. Someone get the silver chalice and the sacrificial dagger.

Nash: If Hillary wins big, it isn't going to be about delegate count. It's going to be the sick feeling that the super delegates get in their stomach that if Obama can't win in the big swing states, he can't win the election.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/realclearpolitics/20080414/cm_rcp/mccains_electoral_college_math

Even McGovern won Mass. How can Obama possibly be tied with mcCain up there? This is the kind of stuff that makes anti-mcCain Dem voters VERY nervous about Obama's chances in November

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?articleid=1088709

The new spin tomorrow should be interesting.

Speaking of Star Wars - the current cast:

Sen. Palpatine = Sen. Lieberman

Darth Sidious = John McCain

Darth Vader = Hillary Clinton

Luke Skywalker = Barack Obama

(still looking for Yoda - let me know if you have any suggestions....)

Flatus, first, I don't believe I attacked anyone. Second, I included you only because of your comment to Heather, who prior to that was complimenting Oregon Democrat. It was Oregon Democrat who used those words, yet they were overlooked. Both camps are guilty. I was merely imploring those people posting to reach for their compassion before commenting.

nash, my amulet filled with liberal democratic blood is already around my neck.

Gordo

"So many Dems are not aware of what the Repubs are up to "

Consider where you are posting. There are very few here who are not aware of the issues, the candidates positions, and the whole host of Republican sites out there. All you do is irritate us with stuff we have seen repeatedly. If your goal is to irritate people who might otherwise support Sen. Clinton, you are being quite successful.

Before I leave for tennis, I dare to ask....has anyone seen the final ARG poll from today

I think it as the following result

Clinton by 16

HRC 56
BHO 40

Did I said 15+ (since two weeks ago)? I am indeed sticking to that........

Lynn:

"It's going to be the sick feeling that the super delegates get in their stomach that if Obama can't win in the big swing states, he can't win the election."

I think the record turn outs might help those poor Super D's sleep at night. Especially when they consider how many Republicans not only voted in the Dem primary - but actually officially changed what party they were registered in to do so.

Oops, getting too excited.
I meant: "Did I say" instead of "Did I said"....(terrible grammar)

What you're saying is that the super-Ds could thwart the will of the majority of Dem voters, and hand the nomination to Hillary.

If they did that, there would be an outcry so powerful, it would shatter the Democratic party establishment. Dem voters would once again see and election "stolen," this time by their own "leaders."

We would not rest until ALL OF THOSE BASTARDS were driven from office. If it takes a generation, so be it.

If she wins by 15 or more after he spent all that money. Then that is a big slap in the face for him.

The voters are sending out a new message, if she wins by 15 or more and I was a SD I have to look at this and wonder what is going on here.

One of the most truly VILE things to come out of the Clinton campaign is the idea that the super-Ds should help Hillary steal the nomination.

Many times on this blog, Hillary supporters have calmly discussed this as a perfectly acceptable strategy.

It makes you wonder just what kind of person is drawn to the Clintons. Do they even understand what the term "democracy" means?

Nash talked about unemployed Irish men being driven from precinct to precinct so they could pad election results. Possibly urban legend, but it also sounds plausible. My father always told me about $5 votes in Albany. (What Mike Barnicle called "walking around money this morning.)

I don't know how it was in Massachusetts, but I remember the bars in New York State being closed, while the polls were open. I had a few different theories for why they kept the bars closed. Boston's "motor voter" idea fits nicely into what I already believed.

"The voters are sending out a new message, if she wins by 15 or more and I was a SD I have to look at this and wonder what is going on here."

BS vad. PA was built for a Clinton victory. So don't start saying that somehow what happens in PA allows us to simply forget what has happened in the 42 other contests.

Trust me, if primaries were held today in Virginia, Maryland, Minnesota and Georgia - Obama would beat HRC AGAIN in all of those states by a greater margin than she (might) win in PA.

"Voting Machines in PA malfunctioning"
-Huffingtonpost

It seems the Hillary people have discovered yet another way to steal an election.

Latest popular vote totals:
Obama: 139,012
Clinton: 2,089,087,101,082

Now THAT'S a big turnout.

"Democracy"

Nash,

You're living in the past. Democracy lost 5-4 in December 2000 and hasn't been heard from since.

Of course, your use of the term "steal the nomination" overlooks the fact that the super-delegates are part of the Democratic Party's nominating process. Their votes wouldn't matter if either candidate had sealed the deal already.

I think everyone would agree that if the Super D's vote for the candidate that has won the most delegates, states and votes - it cannot be credibily argued that the nomination was stolen.

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Gordo:

Stupid attacks like this one will only hurt the GOP in the fall with swing voters.

http://www.wyff4.com/news/15948849/detail.html

(Anyone who buys into such attacks would not have been voting for HRC or Obama in the general no matter what.)

warren,

Would Luke tell Vader to let him eat his waffle?

That's how a young 'un gets his hand sliced off.

Vader would tell him that he should have thrown his waffle against the wall - smashed his plate on the floor - and screamed with rage that "we will blow Hamas and anyone that supports them back to the stone age!!"

(but I am glad Skywalker chose a more diplomatic path. And Obama has made his position on this issue quite clear for anyone that really cares to know.)

Warren----------------------------

From your link: "When asked if he believes that Barack Obama is Muslim, Byrd said, "I don't know. See it asks a question: Are they brothers? In other words, is he Muslim ? I don't know. He says he's not. I hope he's not. But I don't know. And it's just something to try to stir people's minds. It was never intended to hurt feelings or to offend anybody."

This is all about planting "seeds of doubt & fear". It works.

Um... Warren?

Would you look at your schedule and tell me when in life you will be prepared to be objective about the candidate you support?

You will one day. You see, it turns out there actually are rites of passage. And some of them come rather expensively.

Um... Warren?

Would you look at your schedule and tell me when in life you will be prepared to be objective about the candidate you support?

You will one day. You see, it turns out there actually are rites of passage. And some of them come rather expensively.

hi everyone

i havent posted for a while and hate to admit im totall disgusted

clinton wins new jersey obama wins idaho he gets more delagates
mar 4 clinton wins 3 of 4 and if she wins PA it will be 4 of 5 and will gain only 19 delagates

i have to wonder what genius came up with this undemocratic system

he wasnt an expert with math thats for sure ....because nothing adds up

so im just going to sit back and watch the far left lose another election ....as per stevensen ....mcgovern.......mondale .....dukakus ......

Give me a break 9/11. I don't see too much "objectivity" coming from Clinton Country - which is supposedly so much more mature and well-informed. ("Older" is not synonymous with "mature" - and trust me - I have had moments in my youth where I could be described as a "sage" and recent moments where I could be described as a "juvenile jack-ass".)

I see little distinction between the two camps of supporters except that one camp has a winning argument and a clear path to victory.

tz:

I think it was the same genius that is running Clinton's campaign.

In Philadelphia they call it street money

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-streetmoney11apr11,0,6553901.story

warren,

I have made it clear that I will be voting for Obama in November.

Please give a moment's consideration to my lack of so-called Clintonista postings here.

And that I wrote I am a voter and neither a supporter nor a partisan.

So you have no point in addressing me as that.

I look at Three Senators equally as people who can either do good or bad for this country or the world.

Victory is not where this election ends, warren.

It is where whatever will happen to all of us next begins.

And I will remind you of the beauty and glory of the first two years of the Bush II, Clinton, Reagan and Carter adminstrations.

Things do indeed happen once the love affairs end.

tz

This delegate apportionment system was set up several years ago for a noble reason to encourage minorities to participate in the political process in the Democratic party. Thus any Congressional district with a majority of minority voters is granted greater weight. Instead of one man one vote you have things such as one man, one and a half votes in those areas. Sen. Obama has taken advantage of this in the caucus system and in states with multiple stages such as Texas. This time around it has made a major difference in the delegate count which is why Sen. Clinton is placing so much weight on the total votes cast (even though that can't really be determined in the caucus states).

IOW, because of special conditions , Sen. Obama actually has a major advantage in the way delegates are counted, and he was well advised to make the most of it. Sen. Clinton as well as the other candidates, didn't analyze this situation correctly and now she is the only one left standing against Sen. Obama.

9/11 - I don't disagree with anything you said. And I support Obama because I see this election as more than just getting the most votes in November.

As nominee, I think Obama will have a respectful debate with McCain - that will move the ball forward on many issues.

As President, I think Obama will decrease some of the partisanship that has gridlocked Washington. Obama will of course be pushing a Democratic agenda - but I think he will be enlisting GOP ideas and support whenever possible.

As President, I also think Obama's position of having direct talks with all world leaders will place America back at the top of the totem pole on the diplomatic front.

Finally, I think many of these Obama-maniacs will not simply forget about politics after Nov. - and we will see a "surge" in civic duty.

(And with the mess Bush has left - I have no misconceptions that any President is going to have it easy.)

Obama has had many chances to close the door on Hillary and did not. Ohio, Texas, now PA. If you let someone back in the game, then anything can happen. The SD's were created to help the party decide who they thought was the best candidate to win in November, and could override what the voters said. So we all can get mad if they override the voters choice but rules are rules, just like they say about FL and MI.

TZ...

To supplement Jamie's great explanation of the micro-machinations of the Dem primary rules, here's a quick but comprehensive overview from today's Wall Street Journal that gives you the full historical context about how and why these rules evolved to begin with:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120881878986032809.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news

Anon: May you be granted the strength you need to get through this difficult time. You and your beloved Ginger are in my prayers.

God Bless.

Wow, Obama seems to be morphing into GWB right before our eyes.

How long will it take the MSM to turn on him if he keeps avoiding them? Do you think Tweety Matthews will lose that "tingle" in his leg?

I will predict OBAMA will win PA by 2%.

Heavy turnover, all polls don't poll the people having cell phone and so the polls underestimate the philly and surrounding area. All there was a large crowd in Scranton in the last days.. So i think it will be a suprise.

warren,

Just remember -- for what it's worth, I think you're a terrific person.

Yes, you're clever.

Yes, you're witty.

But you have so much intelligence and warm decenty under, over, around and throught hat.

So if I bring up anything... I'm talking to all of those qualities of yours.

Jamie & LaL,

I read the article along with others
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P04/D.phtml#Terr

and do not find a hint of WHY minorities had any major part in the decision to reformulate the delegate alloc. we currently live under today. Please share that specific info regarding" to encourage minorities to participate in the political process in the Democratic party."
i bring this up because this "Balke" justification is always dumped on minorities even among liberals.TIA

For the Horse racing fans, A new york times blog
" The Rail"
"A race for the triple crown"

http://therail.blogs.nytimes.com/?hp

Jack

AP, let me echo GAKaren and all the others who have expressed their concern to you over Ginger. Those of us who are pet owners and lovers know what you are going through, and know how hard it is. My best thoughts to you.

Jamie/LL - typo Balke = Bakke = affirmative action

Something to chew on:

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080422_Chris_Satullo__Obama_is_better-equipped_to_lead_country_through_change_it_craves.html

(I am off to the gym)

Btw, Ruth - Clinton had quite a stare on at the beginning of her interview on Keith-O. Looks like Obama's words can send a feeling up Matthews leg and Hillary's stare can send a chill down my spine....

warren,
As President, I also think Obama's position of having direct talks with all world leaders will place America back at the top of the totem pole on the diplomatic front.

Regarding President Ahmenijhad I disagree and think it only strengthens the cunning and malevolent Robin Goodfellow.

Finally, I think many of these Obama-maniacs will not simply forget about politics after Nov. - and we will see a "surge" in civic duty.

Posted by: warren

An excellent reason to support Obama. Well said.

toast

Warren: KO better look out! You do realize that Hillary can control minds with that icy stare. (Well, everyone except Bill, that is.) LOL

I think isolating a country and imposing heavy economic sanctions on it only strengthens a nationalistic leader such as President "A-jax" from Iran.

It allows such leaders to unite the people around him - by arguing (falsely) that their suffering is the fault of the infidels like the US who are imposing sanctions and causing innocent Iranians to starve. And there is nothing like a little "Us vs. Them" to exploit nationalistic pride to your own selfish ends....

GAKaren:

I admit it - "the force" within the Clintons is strong.

(I had to muster up a lot of will power to not be taken in by their "jedi mind tricks" last night on CSPAN, especially Wild Bill. Good thing Obama came on afterwards to jolt me back into reality ; )

Last night, Obama even spoke about "the force" contained within the American people. A smile sure broke out on my face after that line....

warren, you make a credible case and on this we simply diverge.

toast

Rezdog

It was an evolving process that stemmed from several causes. First because of the civil rights battles and the efforts to depress minority turn out, there needed to be a way to give the ones who did vote greater weight to reflect the people who didn/t

The because of segregation either de facto or de jure, it meant that more minority where confined to fewer districts so that even if you did have massive turn out they would receive less impact for their votes so they were given a significant multiplier.

These conditions have been steadily changing but minorities still tend to be clustered around city centers, so those smaller geographic areas are given more delegates to reflect the total number of votes than the multiple areas with less population.

This is one of the reasons that I think at least within the states it should just be popular vote.

He was speaking figuratively of course - I don't want Gordo to start spreading rumors that Obama sees this election on "inter-galactic" terms....

(now I am really off)

Downloading warren's messages and wrapping a little doll in the paper. Now where are those pins or should I just start twisting the limbs?

I am surprised that Obama has around 140,000 vote lead in the popular vote without counting FL and the caucuses. That could swing Hillary's way tonight. I am not sure how to count the caucuses in the popular vote. With FL she is in the lead around the same amount.

it would be interesting to see what the counts would be if they did not have any caucuses. But in any case the popular vote is very close and is going to get tighter tonight.

Sen. Obama can't win without the women. If he can't win the female vote why should we assume he can win in Nov.?

See how silly that question really is? Either group will vote their self interest come November and that will probably mean voting for whomever wins the Democratic nomination whatever hard feelings might exist right now.

Best bet is still the Dream team to keep everyone happy.

Warren---------------------------

"...I don't want Gordo to start spreading rumors that Obama sees this election on "inter-galactic" terms...."

What is the explanation for Obama's ability to mesmerize so many people? Maybe he is an alien (disguised as a human) from "out there" or another dimension. Could be! How do we know? Voters need to consider this possibility. It's another reason to support Hillary instead of Obama.

Again, That would depend on how angry they are. With defenders such as you, Sen. Obama would be lucky to be elected dog catcher.

I was going to catch up on everyone's posts but I only got 5 deep before the monkey's started throwing poop so I am skipping to the bottom.

My prediction is HRC 54 BHO 45.

O.D. when I read your 1:21 AM post, I was reminded of Bunny Rabbit's final freestyle in the movie 8 Mile. Here are the lyrics...
http://www.stlyrics.com/songs/m/mew9226/brabbitfinalbattle8milefreestyle310231.html

If Obama ever just let it go, I could envision his using a variation of the following in an upcoming speech...

2 notes: please excuse the language and for the purposes of this thought...HRC or JM would be the free world...

"This guy ain't no motherfucking MC,
I know everything he's got to say against me,
I am white, I am a fucking puck,
I do live in a trailor with my mum,
My boy Future is an uncle tom,
I do have a dumb friend named cheddar Bob
who shoots himself in the leg with his own gun...
I did get jumped, by all six of you chumps...
And Wink did fuck my girl,
I'm still standing here screaming fuck the free world!
But don't ever try to judge me dude,"

No coincidence -- regular viewers of ABC News voted with their remotes after the debate.

Update: 12:12 p.m.: “NBC Nightly News” beat ABC’s “World News” by over 600,000 viewers last week — “an unusually wide margin for the dueling newscasts,” Rachel Sklar of The Huffington Post reports. She suggests that “the angry viewers claiming that they would no longer watch ABC after last week’s poorly-received debate made good on their promise.”

buncha mickey mouse debates, anyway.......

Jamie,
I agree many blacks ended up segregated in clusters in the big cities for many different reasons. However, from what I gather the allocation of del is based more upon the voting records from previous cycles than race, and heavily LD & CD are rewarded and bonused for dem strength, somewhat like frequent fliers. Blacks, for good reasons are historically strong dem voters.
I'm not sure how Obama is advantaged, based upon the above, in places like NH. IA, and upper midwest.

btw, we strongly supported the caucus, with refinements, over the poll system only at our convention.

I wasn't saying it to be insulting. Sen. Obama is already showing a strong streak of petty temper and arrogance. The same qualities seem to be present in a great many of his supporters. You and others have done everything possible to insult and demean those who support Sen. Clinton. If he does get the nomination and continues to display that temperment or engages in the kind of egotistical crowing that has marked so much of both his and his supporters attitudes, then a whole lot of women who feel dismissed and belittled will vote their self interest and sit home. An attitude adjustment is defintely in order.

Hendrik Hertzberg on the ABC debates....

"Bitter Patter"

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/04/28/080428taco_talk_hertzberg

Rez,

I really don't understand the devotion to the caucus system. Sure it is a good fund raiser for the party, but primary states manage to support their party without it.

For the most part it is undemocratic, unrepresentative of the voting public, open to a great deal of manipulation, and gives power to insiders rather than the population. Totally undemocratic system for a party that is supposed to believe in the widest possible extension of freedom.

sturgeone,

Who's the bearer of the club that's aimed at you and me?

For all who care... their Pixar schedule (which used to be a creative thing, particularly under their late creative director Joe and Brad Bird) is a bunch of sequels and unofficial remakes.

What a great thing Steve Jobs wrought with that merger, huh?

I wasn't saying it to be insulting. Sen. Clinton is already showing a strong streak of petty temper and arrogance. The same qualities seem to be present in a great many of her supporters. You and others have done everything possible to insult and demean those who support Sen. Obama. If she does get the nomination and continues to display that temperament or engages in the kind of egotistical crowing that has marked so much of both her and her supporters attitudes, then a whole lot of people who feel dismissed and belittled will vote their self interest and sit home. An attitude adjustment is definitely in order.

lol

this baby seal walks into a club.........

Dear Good for the Goose,

Show examples. The Obama folks on this blog have been unusually rude and insulting while giving little credit to Sen Clinton for any favorable qualities.

The Clinton folks (other than the cut and pasters) while holding their position in space have said many flattering things about Sen. Obama

Cafferty has good question. Do Clinton/Obama owe each other a place on the ticket?

Respond here: http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/22/do-clinton-obama-owe-each-other-spot-on-ticket/#comment-250877

Jamie,

We had three 1 minute for and against comments from the floor, by whoever happened to be at the mic.; not a very good concerted effort by either side. I believe they take it up more deliberately at State. By from what i recall the 3 main points were: 1) face to face discussion/debate with neighbors from the same political persuasion, in that there is better wisdom collectively, 2) forces the voters to become more informed and takes the media out of it for those not so inclined, 3) discourages initiative and the referendum-happy method of governmental process.

Our resolution included provisions for improving absentee and unavailable voters

Rez

The caucus push seemed much like the ultimate initiative and referendum in the sense that people who traditionally don't vote were the driving force in the outcome to the apparent exclusion of traditional voters.

Flatus,
I was standing at our county convention last Sat with over 2,000 dem caucus goers from both campaigns and these people are hardly those who don't traditionally vote. Most were our age and are the most strident democrats in town, many having voted in every election since the 60's. So, it this case I beg to disagree.

sturg...

btw, does anyone else have to repeatedly sign in with typekey or is it our new system on this end?

Rez,

For the traditional caucus states, maybe a combination of caucus/primary system that enfranchises both groups of voters.

There are lots of people who for various reasons (work, age, disability etc.) who have trouble being involved in the caucus process not to mention the ones who just don't like crowds.

A caucus is much more appropriate for small populations. As population increases, you have a smaller and smaller percentage of people making decisions for more and more of their fellow citizens.

Jamie . . Flatus,
i know this is old turf we're covered and I see the pro and cons of both sides. I'm 10 years new here and this Rome, a place we don't plan on remaining for life. I was excited by the enthusiasm of it all.
I think if Hillary's crew had planned for it and done well in the caucus states, we would not be discussing this.

Pogo,
I've lost a couple rather long posts due to sign error submissions that I neglected to save before submitting. It's a pisser. Not doing anything different that i know.

Just came in my in-box..LOL

I went into the gas station today and
asked for five dollars worth of gas.....

The clerk farted and gave me a receipt.

hey if I'm wrong at least I probably made a few clintinsta around her nervous, LOL.

exactly my thoughts!

The CNN commentary and exit poll data is being done much better than on MSNBC.

The misogynistic mob fielded by MSNBC have just become too hard to stomach.

CNN just had an excellent discussion on the primary being decided by the White Male vote.

In case you don't have CNN on, they just showed the DNC Convention website with details on "what will happen"

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/04/convention-101.html

NEW THREAD

NEW THREAD !!!!