Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Dear Craig, Everyone
A good top 'o the 'mornin to all! :-))

--Heather

Dear Craig:
You make a great point in your article! Loved it :-))

Later I have a post that sort of ties in with your last point about media and its contradictions and Senator Obama's speech on racism. It's rather lengthly but not too much so I tried to compress it as much as i could without defaulting from it's value and interest, but all my words and a good read even if one disagrees.

Sincerely,
Heather

Yoo hooo for HEATHER !!

Craig, keep up as one of the voices speaking the truth - or at least we find agreement. Heather I look forward to reading your post.

By the way I will have a post on my soon new and improved website / blog --- Obama - the great distraction

more later

Obama and Change, If you want Change stick with Obama - as a Man with no direction beyond simplistic rose colored lavish offerings, will be a constant voice of change. As with little to put your hands around better get used to change.

I prefer someone founded with a ruder and keel, not someone that will be blown with the wind

ah.....a great list of gop offenders......

http://www.republicanoffenders.com/

The Other Original Sin Senator Obama Will Not Speak Of

Senator Obama was graceful in his speech about racism but it was very limited in scope and vision, it focused primarily in Anglo-African American relations while ignoring other minorities, in my opinion if you discuss racism you need to discuss it in its entire genesis.
The one I would like to discuss here is sexism and how little if at all it is discussed. Certainly I may have my detractors when I consider it an equal component to racism and perhaps a few scoffs and giggles, or a thought entering a person’s mind thinking “oh here we go, another eccentric feminist” I can assure you such is not the case.
What Senator Obama failed to mention in his lofty flowery speech on racism was any mention on the subject of sexism. Senator Obama’s speech on racism was extremely flawed and limited in scope vision and unity. He predominantly focused on racism on the African American community while practically ignoring other minorities and their struggles of oppression. Ignored were the Chinese, who were basically imported as slave labor for the construction of American railroads. The constitution of California was rewritten in 1879 forbidding any man or woman of "Chinese or Mongolian" ancestry from earning a living by working for a white man. And the legislature delegated "all necessary power" to towns and cities "for the removal of Chinese." The state constitution declared that the Chinese people were "dangerous to the well-being of the State.

In 1882 the Congress enacted the Chinese Exclusion Act, which decreed that a Chinese man who worked with his "hands," who was a "manual" laborer, would be prohibited from coming to America. And the people from China who were already residents were barred from becoming citizens. Chinese, like Black people and Indians, were not allowed to testify against whites in court. They were barred from public schools and forbidden to own real estate or get business licenses or government contracts. In San Francisco, laws were passed against the Chinese like a "queue tax," a "cubic air ordinance" requiring that every residence have so many cubic feet of air per inhabitant, and a "pole law" prohibiting the use of carrying baskets on poles. Laws that specifically targeted Chinese immigration stayed on the books until 1965. The Chinese Exclusion Act was not repealed until 1943--and even then immigration of Chinese was given a quota of only 105 per year!

The white labor movement in California became a major force behind the racist campaigns to drive the Chinese out. Mobs stormed through towns where Chinese immigrants lived, burning homes and looting shops. Chinese were lynched and scalped. They had their pigtails cut off and were branded with hot irons. In one incident a mob caught a Chinese miner and sliced off his genitals. In one Nevada town a Chinese laundryman was tied to a wagon wheel and the buckboard was driven at high speed through the town until the man's head fell off. One Chinese crab fisherman who was beaten to death was branded by hot irons, his ears sliced in half with a knife and his tongue cut off. You see Senator Obama it’s not just about what African Americans endured in Selma.

In order to keep this condensed there is a whole litany of horrible atrocities America engaged in as far as brutal oppression towards the Native American Indian that I would love to go into chapter and verse on but will refrain from suffice to say it was not focused on by Senator Obama.
I would really like to concentrate the focal point of my post on sexism and how it has affected Senator Hillary Clinton and her campaign for the presidency juxtaposed to Senator Obama’s flawed speech on racism in America.

It has become palpably obvious that Hillary is suffering, covert, and subtle sexism. What I mean by that is covert sexism is defined as unequal and unfair treatment of women that is recognized but purposefully hidden from view, which seems to be the case with Hillary and ties in with Craig's point of the media ignoring Obama's half-truths relating to lobbyists.

An example I can use is a current one, Hillary’s lies are unduly and unfairly focused on, yet when Obama lies it is virtually ignored by msm, which is one example of covert or subtle sexism. It is easily disguisable because the flaws that Hillary has as a candidate are unfairly exploited and exacerbated because the powers that be use those flaws to hide their sexist hatred toward women and women in power particularly. In my opinion this is the only plausible and logical theory that can explain the unfair treatment that Hillary has received. It has not been critical, fair or equal; it has been for lack of a better term venomous and hateful at its core.

It is time Americans wake up, women in particular and stop allowing this to continue. We must demand its ending, to sit back and do nothing we have become conspirators in feminine injustice.
While Obama’s speech applauded by many, I simply see as misleading and self-serving just a ploy to appeal and get sympathy from super-delegates and maintain the ones he has. It certainly does not come close to any of the great speeches of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. The last time I checked I never saw in any of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr’s speeches where he would throw any members of his family “under the bus” for his own self-serving agenda.

In closing, I just wanted to express my personal opinions on Senator Obama’s ridiculously overvalued speech on racism. You see Senator Obama if you are going to have a speech on racism it has to be inclusive of all races, minorities and women that have suffered. For a man that claims a lineage of all colors of the rainbow and multiple continents your speech was sadly black and white.

Sincerely,
Heather

Is that a lobbyist in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?

Obama caught lying? Does happy dance JUST LIKE THIS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GeA1QVb3DE

OMG! ROFL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QipAqdomO3I&feature=related

Afternoon everyone..

Nice blog Craig
Good one Heather

Heather, your view point brings another aspect on the fluff that is barack.
Add that to the timing and failure to answer the questions which prompted his speech and you get more questions.
But afterall BHO is about change,

Good, old "watchdogs of politics." On the case, again, with Obama. It seems the problem is systemic.

Boycott Beijing & Have A Nice Day.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080407/ap_on_re_eu/olympic_torch

Names of the DC Lobbyists Obama “Doesn’t” Take Money From

"I would like to follow up on Barack Obama’s TV spot about how he doesn’t take money from lobbyists.

Now let’s take a look at known Federal Lobbyists who are referred to as Bundlers For Barack Obama. You see, unlike the other candidates in this race, Barack Obama is far more surreptitious about his relationships with lobbyists, so that you might be able to see a sweet lovable TV commercial like the one we just saw. He is very clever. Known lobbyists collect “bundled” money for him so that the money doesn’t actually “look” like it came from the lobbyist himself. Now why would a lobbyist do this? Two reasons:

1) So Barack Obama could pretend he doesn’t take money from lobbyists

and

2) So the lobbyist will still later get “credit” for collecting all this cool cash for their “Man”

.Barack Obama appears to have mastered many old tricks for a man who claims to be “different”. Here is a most recent list of Registered Federal Lobbyists who have bundled money for Barack Obama. "

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/06/names-of-the-dc-lobbyists-obama-doesnt-take-money-from/

Excellent post, Heather! Thanks.

Mornin', all.

Craig, how dare you do the job the MSM refuses to do!! You are so in the tank for Hillary (:-). Of course Obama lies, if he didn't, that would be some sort of hopeful change to new postracial politics, or something like that.

Of course, I for one am glad to see a departure from the old politics - where with enough money you can buy enough media advertising to drum up enough votes to buy an election. Obviously Obama took The Media is the Message to heart.

sturg, great link - that could come in handy in a few months.

Yes, indeed, I do not expect to see Chris Matthews and crew tear this story apart with the same visceral zeal with which they would have devoted had the story been about Senator Clinton.

The anti-Chinese racism was one major factor in determining that the 14th amendment to the constitution applies to anyone living in America, whether citizen or not. (The Chinese were not permitted to become citizens during that time.) If I can find the court case, I'll come back with a link. Anyway, very important stuff.

Heather:

I would just say that you are always going to be able to nitpick a speech on race by arguing that it does not address all of the injustices that exist.

Keep in mind that Obama's speech was about an hour - which is a life-time given the attention span of many Americans. Plus - it was designed to be the START of a conversation - not the entire conversation.

(Go Yankees!)

Here's a link to a good survey of the anti-Chinese racism/14th amendment case written by Joy Hakim, who wrote the History of Us series of American history texts. I used these when I home schooled my children when they were younger, and they're so well written I've kept them ever since as a terrific set of reference books.

www.pbs.org/wnet/historyofus/web08/segment6_p.html

Dear Warren:
It was not nitpicking lol it was a valid argument.
Secondly it was designed to to appeal to super-delegates not start of a conversation on racism. But lets grant that it was supposed a start on a conversation on racism, thats exactly what I did, have a conversation on racism via blog. :-))

(Go Yankees! :-)) )

Heather lol

Fair enough Heather.

(And just because the speech had an impact on Super Delegates does not mean that the speech was designed only for them. I suspect that the speech was designed for several purposes - and I don't think either me or you can proclaim with certainty what it was designed to do.)

"Plus - it was designed to be the START of a conversation - not the entire conversation"

LOL
Warren it was designed to slow the bleeding nothing more.

Let's get real here.

Jack

Mary Kitt - that case you mentioned probably is Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356 (1886). Had to do with a ordinance that was facial neutral but discriminatory in application. It was a followup to Plessy v. Ferguson - the ridiculous case that was finally overruled by Brown v. Board of education.

Jack, you are soooooo cynical. The fact that the race speech came just after the Wright anti-Ameircian rap hit the news is just a coincidence. In Obama world one does not question the message of the messiah, even when the message is ludicrous on its face. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Obama Deals the Slave Card

"A while ago, the racist, Farrakhan-linked New Black Panther Party posted a page on the official Obama Web site. That page was pulled after complaints were lodged, with the Obama campaign implying that it would more closely monitor its site. Now, not only has the NBBP reposted its page, but the Obama Web site has become the friendly home for vicious race baiting of African Americans who support Hillary Clinton. The Obama campaign has repeatedly played the race card, at the same time that is has tried to blame the Clinton campaign — see Princeton historian Sean Wilentz’s devastingly factual articles on the subject ..."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/06/obama-deals-the-slave-card/

Dear Warren:

Generally we share the same or similar political ideology and core values and principles. We are simply traveling different roads to achieve the same goal.
I tend to be outspoken on issues but I speak from my heart and what I believe in as you do as well and because of our honesty people know exactly where we stand and I see that as an asset, besides you a Yankees fan and as such holds a special place in my heart :-))

Sincerely,
Heather

Savage Chickens take on the candidates

Obama

http://www.savagechickens.com/blog/2008/04/barack-obama.html

Clinton

http://www.savagechickens.com/blog/2007/01/first-lady.html

As i've said several times when choosing a prsident you are not picking a person but a team.
McClatchy come through again with a good article that is not horse raced base.

Clinton's economic advisers served her husband

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/32316.html

Jack

Funny, but I don't think I would want the next topic of discussion in the conversation on race to be my ties to racist organizations if I were running the first post racial presidential campaign.

Anybody hear that Mark Penn left HIllary's campaign? I understand that might be newsworthy - in fact I got an e-mail from Terry McAuliffe just this morning. My only question is what took so long to get rid of the guy who engineered an obviously flawed primary strategy that seemed to forget that February had 4 weeks instead of just one?

And here's a little gift for my fellow Hillary supporters - a Salon op-ed that I doubt many Obama supporters will endorse.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/04/07/hillary/

From my morning read.

A new twist in the ongoing civil war in Iraq. Someone is deploying shite volunteers against the Mahdi army militia. But the report was uncertain as to who.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/32852.html

Jack

Well so much for all that progress in the war since the surge began. The ISG says we're no closer to being able to leave Iraq than we were a year ago.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/04/05/ST2008040502204.html?sid=ST2008040502204

Whatever happened to "declare victory and leave" as a strategy?

Hey Rezdog (if you're around) you finally going to click on the Politifact.com link now that Craig made it part of the story?

Yep, Jack, Iraq is now Shiite v. Shia. Now if in your country your two major factions are Shiite and Shia, and they are at war with each other (and really appear for the present to be ignoring the US forces that are supposedly there to bring peace and reconciliation to the country), isn't that what you would call a civil war?

Alrighty, this is the one thing that could keep me from voting for Barrack or McCain, they need to stop demonizing the Lobbyists!!! I still won't vote for Hillary, so I guess I may half to abstain.

Missed y'all while I was on vacation, still not smoking- 16 days!

Reporter without Borders : Beijing journalists in prison

http://www.rsf.org/

Heather - btw, great post.

Craig - great post -

And you're right about the media...I've given up getting angry about it and just accept it.

On an informal CNN poll last week 73% of people thought her coverage was unfair compared to Obamas.

What I find amazing is that with having to fight the Obama lies then perpetuated by the media that she's virtually tied with him in the popular vote (counting ALL the votes) and leading in many of the upcoming states. Just goes to show that Hillary supporters can't be duped by the Obamamaniacs or the media.

:-D

Ok so it's like Obama says half-truths or all out lies as well as Hillary being accused of the same. So why does the MSM still want to treat Obama as if he is the second coming of Christ?

The most important link in the No Quarter story is this one:

http://www.whitehouseforsale.org/

Where it shows Obama leading all other candidates.

:-D

I'd say they need to change that from half true to barely true...but I'm not going to question the Politifact folks - I hear them on POUTUS08 from time to time and I know they do a lot of digging and discussing to make these calls.

Here's a Krugman article about food and biofuels that deserves consideration and thought.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/07/opinion/07krugman.html?em&ex=1207713600&en=f68d7cc278e61be9&ei=5087%0A

He points out the reasons I have refused to buy a flexfuel vehicle and why I look for fuel that does not have high levels of ethanol in it.

Ally, don't waste your breath. You may as well be Sisyphus rolling that damned rock up the hill - again and again and again....

Lily, and Obama's speech was the start of a discussion about race in America, not the obvious attempt it was to deflect criticism about Wright.

Ally, read the link in my 8:58 post - I think you will enjoy it.

Pogo

"Yep, Jack, Iraq is now Shiite v. Shia"

From the Article it looks like someone is trying to start the Shiite v Shiite part of the civil war, by employing Shiite militia groups against Sadar's Mahdi Army in Sadr city. If we are doing this it is a very questionable tactic. If the Iraqi government is doing it then the main phase of the Shiite civil war is on and the result will be a long period of anarchy. With our people targets by everybody. Time to get the f**k out.

Jack

If the system made sense, Clinton would be far ahead

"Under a winner-take-all primary system, Hillary Clinton would have a wide lead over Barack Obama -- and enough delegates to clinch the Democratic presidential nomination by June.

In 2004, Democrats lost most of the states where Obama's delegates come from now. The Democrats are likely to lose most of those states again in 2008, no matter how much his supporters speak of winning crossover votes. Of the remaining states that Obama has won, only one is a large state with a considerable number of electoral votes -- his home state of Illinois. Clinton has won the popular vote in all of the other large states -- and has done so in primaries, not caucus decisions. The arithmetic here is simple: Because of the flawed system, the delegates from the states that Obama has won, many of which vote strongly Republican, represent far fewer Democratic voters than those from the states Clinton won."

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/04/07/hillary/index1.html

Brye...you didn't read my entire post...so your response is misguided...as usual...

Lil Brye Brye - my comment wasn't about rules and what does or doesn't count. It was about how many people actually have voted for Hillary despite the Obamamaniacs and the Obamamedia lies. You can't hoodwink and bamboozle us.

Ally's comment: " I wish that all of the Obama supporters could do a wee bit of soul searching and realize that if the situation was reversed, and Obama was down by 100+ delegates and could diminish Clinton's lead by counting his wins in Florida and Michigan, that you would be hooting and hollering at the injustice of it ..."

Nope Ally, I would not. I would think so much worse of Obama if he was playing Hillary's game. Which she would NOT be playing if the votes had gone Obama's way.

Florida and Michigan voters cast their ballots knowing they were voting in non-binding primaries for which no delegates would be awarded.

It is not fair to change the rules after the fact. For political reasons, the Dems will come to some accomodation on seating the two state's delegates (or some portion of them.)

But tethering my campaign to a call for "all the votes to be counted?"

Nope, that's a shiny object dangled by Hillary to keep people from noticing her badly run campaign and the fact that her "inevitable" nomination has been derailed. Probably terminally, but got to see what the upcoming states' voters decide.

I just hope that after this election the Dems sit down and agree on a better way to run their nominating process, complete with rotating regional primaries and far fewer caucuses.

In this day of so many independent voters, the party-building aim of caucus participation has got to take a back seat to allowing as many voters as posible to have their say in selecting their preferred candidate.

By absentee ballot and from Iraq or aboard ships in the Mediterranean, when necessary.

Of course what I can't help but wonder with the polls are still running as close as they are is what are the polls like in the states that have already voted.

Any second thoughts and changes of heart out there? Any discrepancies between the caucus percentages and the general population? Will we ever hear this information?

Pogo - Salon article was very good. I did enjoy it.

Thanks Pogo. Just read it. The Obama campaign brilliantly exploited the system put in place by the Democrats and whoever came up with the plan should be the new head of the DNC because they are hella smart. I may not like the end result but I can't deny the brilliance of the plan...as opposed to supreme planning of that moron Mark Penn.

Craig,

I noticed MoJoe was using your "trust" story from yesterday. Are the two guys from Florida chatting amongst themselves?

Dog: I'm sorry, I am just not buying what you are selling. However, if I assume you are being honest, then you would agree that the Superdelegates are entitled to use their individual judgment when making their choice of nominee, correct?

"It is not fair to change the rules after the fact. "

Nobody is changing the rules. Even Obamamediamaniac Donna Brazille acknowledges that the same rule that disqualified the two states allows for the two states to come up with plans to have their votes count. This includes re-vote and credentials committee options. Both states have been trying to get their votes to count. Just recently the DNC and Hillary campaign singed off on a plan in MI - the Obamamaniacs stopped it.

Again - Obama supporters w/o all their facts straight.

Thank you
To Jason, Patsi, Ping Pong, and all for your response and compliments to my 7.15 am post.

deeply appreciated :-))

Sincerely,
Heather

Gordo,
This is a subject that has been sent to all MSM, but they do not seem to grasp it.
If Barrack o the other would have led there, we would have a total different view...

We can squabble all we want about MSM, they will continue to hassle Hillary till the end..... That is their job and that is what they will do

On another note:
Was looking at a Larry King show last week and was shocked. The topic was the election of course and a woman named Kamala whatever, was on. They were discussing the Rhodes story and the woman said: "Seen as the fight is taking so long (referring to the Hilary Barrack primaries), it is taking its toll on everybody, we should not let all these sayings bother us. It is the heat of the moment. It is taking too long.
To that comment Larry King said: WELL SAID, WELL SAID.
I was shocked!!!!! So we can say anything we want, and get away with it, because we are tired of this election??????
Larry King, give me a break!

I switched off the tv and laughed out loud. Damn...where are we headed

dog, Obama has played a different game in FL, and won it. His lawyers threw a disingenuous antidemocratic monkey wrench into the consideration of the Florida situation - claiming that voter fraud is a problem with mail in voting systems, which is wholly inconsistent with Obama's public support of mail-in voting, then suggested a 50/50 split of the delegates, which is inconsistent with the voting that took place there. (I doubt that this is featured on the ObamaForPresident website). I hope he has a general election strategy that doesn't rely on FL - 'cuz he ain't gonna win that state.

And there is certainly a better way to nominate a candidate, and they need to get Howie Dean out and implement it - I have set out one way, better in my opinion, numerous times - compress the primary season and get rid of preference for the dinky states, winner take all by state, secret ballot primary voting, no caucuses, one person, one vote, and no superdelegates (among a few other changes).

btw, I agree with you about Hillary's poorly run campaign - actually, it is more of a well executed boneheaded strategy, but that's just my view. It's also why I say of Penn, too little, too late. (btw, Mark, in the law they call those things conflicts of interest - in PR, they just call it stupid and disloyal).

jason, after 7 marriages to 6 women, you don't expect Larry King to think clearly do you? lol

Jason:

Everyone always says big deal when the name calling is directed at Hillary. Everyone is up in arms when the name calling is at Barack. Goes back to Craig's post - Obamamedia has a double standard.

This same comment also goes back to the excellent comment by Heather today - degrading women is acceptable and we should just all get over it and not worry about it.

I'll admit...I've taken my "feminism" for granted - I know I've suffered here and there being a woman - especially a woman working in the IT field. But never to the point of activism. I think this election has proven to me that we're not even close and there is a lot of work to do on behalf of women. I know Hillary has spent a lifetime being dedicated to women's rights and women's issues and perhaps it's time for me to take it all a little more serious as well.

Jason ------------------------

Larry King has always been anti - Clinton (both). In 92, he was involved in an effort to deny Bill Clinton the nomination at the convention. He wanted delegates to back his friend Mario Cuomo.

Hillary's Strategy:

(1) After she loses the primary, convince the superdelegates to hand her the nomination.

(2) After she loses the general election, convince the electoral college to hand her the Presidency.

" So why does the MSM still want to treat Obama as if he is the second coming of Christ?"

Tom -- I honestly believe it is because he set his campaign up -- complete with the rhetoric and "branding" techniques -- to appear that he is very nearly a religious figure. I feel it more all the time. It's to the point that I can envision O'supporters backing him 100% if he went off the deep end like W and started invading other countries. We'd see the same blind support.

I don't think he WOULD do that though. But I'll bet he's get support for it.

"btw, I agree with you about Hillary's poorly run campaign - actually, it is more of a well executed boneheaded strategy, but that's just my view. It's also why I say of Penn, too little, too late. (btw, Mark, in the law they call those things conflicts of interest - in PR, they just call it stupid and disloyal)."

Pogo - well said - agree 100%

dod: "I just hope that after this election the Dems sit down and agree on a better way to run their nominating process, complete with rotating regional primaries and far fewer caucuses."

Absolutely agree. It is starting to look like which ever way this goes, the Democrats will have an illigitimate presidential nominee.

Wendy: I have felt for some time that feminism is dead. I am making no judgments but would like to simply state a fact: Out of ALL of my close female friends from high school and college, I am the only one who works outside the home for wages (I really work out of my home but you know what I mean). As I said a few weeks ago, I also have had 3 friends who's husbands have left them over the last few months.

And so, the feminist movement must re-ignite: Women have been under some misguided perception that this would be the first generation of men who didn't leave their wives. Well guess what, not gonna happen. The key to a woman's independence is maintaining her own financial freedom. I do not disagree with a woman staying home for a few years after they have kids to care for them in a hands on manner. I applaud it. But why in the world would you stay home when they are in school? My advice to women: Keep your day job.

And we need to start acting like sisters again. I work with so many women who are competitive and petty. One in particular always tells me that her older female boss is "jealous" of her and that's why she is so unfair. UGH. Enough. Respect women who are older than you, learn from them. Don't try to compete with them and don't think they want to compete with you. I wouldn't go back to my twenties again if you paid me.

I have always adored older women. Whenever my kids would get teacher placements and it was a woman in her twenties I would cringe. Nightmare. Whenever they had a woman in her forties or fifties I would smile. I like a little something I can sink my teeth in to. I like edges. Give me experience any day of the week!

Hey, why aren't we talking about Mark Penn?

I guess to be "fair and balanced" we have to have a "beat up Obama" day.

So Obama takes lobbyist money. They all do. But the Clintons are STILL the biggest pigs at that trough.

Jason: "To that comment Larry King said: WELL SAID, WELL SAID.
I was shocked!!!!! So we can say anything we want, and get away with it, because we are tired of this election??????"

Yes. It is now permisssable to call women whores if they have the "audacity" to run for office.

Nash: I don't think you are going to find any Mark Penn fans here. Good riddance to bad rubbish is what I say.

"I'll admit...I've taken my "feminism" for granted - I know I've suffered here and there being a woman - especially a woman working in the IT field. But never to the point of activism. I think this election has proven to me that we're not even close and there is a lot of work to do on behalf of women. I know Hillary has spent a lifetime being dedicated to women's rights and women's issues and perhaps it's time for me to take it all a little more serious as well."

Hear, Hear! Wendy! I think we are all nearly shell shocked by what has happened during this campaign.
And I think we are going to see a lot of women paying attention again.

pogo:

And just what was so "ludicrous" about Obama's speech on race?

Is Barack Obama the Messiah?

http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/2008_03_01_archive.html

Patsi:

Yes..."shell shocked"...that's really it.

Hillary the feminist icon?

Hillary supported Bush's war plans because she ASSUMED that, as a woman, she'd be labled "weak on defense. (Not presidential material.) Thus, we have Hillary the Hawk.

This war-mongering posture would have been a winner for her if Bush hadn't mis-managed the war from day #1. She bought into a complete disaster, and that's why she's losing the primaries.

Sexism has nothing to do with this, unless you want to consider the sexist logic of her own assumption: that she had to prove that she was "just as good as a man" by supporting an ill-conceived war.

I thought feminism had gotten beyond that sort of primitive logic. Of course, I've never thought Hillary was much of a feminist. I've never even heard her use the word.

Hillary supporters. Have you ever heard her call herself a feminist?

I used to think that most people were good, good at heart, now I think that there are good people and bad people. I know this is a huge generalization, but I just can't even imagine saying the things that have been said by various people, I do not think that way, so those words would never come out of me.

It is so foreign to me, I would be mortified, if I was on video calling Senator Clinton, (or anyone for that matter) a "#@#$^%&"- %$#@$.

I believe in free speech but, equally I also believe in mutual respect and kindness. Senator Clinton said nothing to that woman to deserve such vile anger.

(For clarification "bad" can mean many things not just speaking words, ie cheating, stealing, raping...you get the idea)

Gordo...or even better

http://obamaisnotthemessiah.blogspot.com/

Ditto on the more active role toward women rights. This campaign has certainly brought it to my attention. I have been starting to read more , and am looking to see what I can do to help and become more active in the cause.

Ally:

"I believe that Wendy said if you counted all the votes (meaning that we include Florida and Michigan votes), the count comes within approximately 94,000 votes out of 27 million votes cast. That's pretty darn close, yes?"

This is a big piece of misinformation being spread by Clinton supporters like that Salon guy. I will give you FL - because at least Obama's name was on the ballot and he was able to get some votes. But any calculation that adds in the MI popular vote is way off base.

HRC gets +328K from the current MI totals (which is more of a bump that she gets even from NY). If there was a revote - there is no possible way that she would get anywhere near close to that.

btw, including Florida - Obama is up 422K in popular vote - which will be no easy task for Clinton to overtake.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

(plus, that number could increase to over 500K once all the votes that have been cast are finalized).

Waren: Well I guess the only way to find out who would win in Michigan would be to have a new vote, yes? I think Hillary would be willing to take her chances. As I have always said, let's allow the voters to vote.

Meant to say "Warren".

OK....
Than I know it.

Is this the reason why Hillary is at this moment still refusing to go on Larry King? She hasn´t accepted the offer yet and Larry has said hat the invitation is still open.

My question: why are we continuing to watch, read and listen to media outlets that continue to be biased? Is it because it is easy...or is it because we are to lazy to take a stand and refuse to bend for an action we fiercely belive in.....???

Ally:

The good news is that this argument about the popular vote could very well be moot after PA. If HRC does not get a big boost in the popular vote from PA - it will become clear that she will not be able to overtake Obama in the popular vote - even if there were re-dos in MI and FL.

And despite what some Clinton advocates are saying - getting "close" in the popular vote will not convince many Super Delegates to side with her - especially because she will lose in terms of pledged delegates and contests won.

Don't worry Jason - Hillary and her supporters still have Fox News...

Warren: Certainly Hillary's best chances lie in winning the majority of the remaining contests. If Obama only wins North Carolina post-Wright, it is going to be a tough sell for him at the Convention. I for one would not be willing to wager on Hillary winning the remaining states...only pointing out that this may be the only chance she has of winning the nomination.

Nash:

Your view on Hillary is misguided. She has a very long, well documented track record (dating back to Wellesley days) of speaking up and speaking out on behalf of women's rights and women's issues. She has long been a champion for both women and children. In her well documented diplomatic work - some of which pointed out here: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/apr/04/more-than-sightseer-diplomacy/

had to do with actually bringing women to the table and having their voices be heard on important issues such as the peace process in Ireland.

Her speech in Beijing I believe speaks for itself.

The FACTS are clear when it comes to Hillary's track record on being a voice for women around the world. They are indisputable.

Warren:

Speaking of Fox News...I noticed you quoted a Fox News pundits talking point about Hillary's taxes yesterday. Looks like you do a little Fox News watching yourself

;-)

"There is no doubt about the basic reality in Iraq: we are no longer staring into the abyss of defeat, and we can now look ahead to the genuine prospect of success."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080407/ts_alt_afp/usvoteiraq

Wow - thanks McCain. I feel better now. All those stories coming out of Iraq were getting me down. But now I know everything will be OK and we will achieve "success".

I thought Obama was the candidate of "hope".

(Of course there are still those sticky details about the definition of "success" and how long it will actually take to achieve...)

The straight-talk express is off the track again.

These politicians need to start outlining some actual goals in Iraq - instead of using empty terms such as "success" and "defeat".

Nash: So now Hillary is not a Feminist? That's rich.

Warren:

The quote you attributed to me what not my quote.

But I'm not surprised many Obama supporters often get it wrong.

Wendy:

I watch all the news. And I don't complain when they say mean things about Obama. Instead, I try to address any misinformation that may be contained in the reports. And if it is accurate - than I take note of it.

The Clinton campaign should have adopted a similar strategy...

You know, when I read about Mark Penn it just pisses me off to NO END... Of course I am in a SHITTY mood anyway, but that's got nothing to do with it.

Read this:

"But for Clinton's aides and advisors, the meeting was just the latest in a list of complaints about Penn that began with his strategic decision last year to focus on a message of strength and electability rather than inspiration, and his insistence on highlighting policy over passion. His $13 million in campaign billing and his insistence on maintaining his salary as worldwide CEO of the firm Burson Marsteller were also sources of tension within the campaign. "

That creep has earned $13 million dollars on a crappy campaign and even if it was going great that's just fricken outrageous. THIS is why I think politics is so corrupt and why people should just REFUSE to give money to any campaign because all it is used for is creating this mega-rich political advisory class that sucks up the donations of everyday people and lines their pockets while they LAUGH all the way to the bank.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Wendy:

Get it together. I copy and pasted a quote from Ally - so I AM surprised that you are now attacking your fellow Clinton supporters...

They have...and as you can see here...we Hillary supporters do a darn good job of batting down misinformation...wherever it is coming from including misguided and ill-informed Obama supporters.

Have to go now...I'm off work today but have a full calendar...since I have class tonight doubtful i'll be able to catch up. Will leave it in the hands of Pogo, Jamie, Patsi, Heather, Ally, Burrito, ET and others - all far more capable than myself in stamping out misinformation wherever it rears its ugly head.

Non political news: finally a verdict in the Princess Diana Paris inquest: Per Reuters:

"Princess Diana was unlawfully killed by the grossly negligent driving of chauffeur Henri Paul and paparazzi photographers pursuing their limousine into a Paris road tunnel in 1997.

The jury, which had spent almost six months listening to more than 250 witnesses from around the world, reached their majority decision on Monday after deliberating for four days."

========

I wonder if there's any recourse against the papparazzi now? Financial or punitive? It has always seemed to me that they bore more of the moral guilt for Diana's death -- had they not pursued so frantically, there would not have been the diversion driver and a drunk (who'd been told he was off duty earlier) behind the wheel. Terrible price to pay for celebrity.

Now: back to Clinton vs Obama.

Warren:

You're right...I apologize.

Tom, you are right on the money with your 11:44 am post! What else could've been done with money instead lining some fat cat's pockets.

Craig: Thanks for trying to debunk the Obama ads in PA and elsewhere. Know Olbermann's hopeless (can't even watch that Obama infomercial anymore), but do you think Matthews, Gregory et all will ever realize that this is a story? Hope you'll talk about this on their shows.

Nash -- You get weirder by the day. I'd love to know how you presume to speak for feminists. Furthermore, you can't know what all went into her decision to vote to give the POTUS the power to move militarily if needed. Your hatred of her borders on pathology.

"I thought feminism had gotten beyond that sort of primitive logic."

I don't think you have ANY idea how sexist and offensive that bullshit comment is.

Patsi

Nash knows all about feminism just like he knows all the racial code words in the world.

Down in the hills we would call it "pulling it out your ass"

In Maine they must call it professorial reasoning.

Jack

"I thought Obama was the candidate of "hope".

Warren -- take a serious look at the photo of the bus stop "poster" of Obama at the top of the page. Now that's Mao-worthy.

"I wonder if there's any recourse against the papparazzi now? Financial or punitive? It has always seemed to me that they bore more of the moral guilt for Diana's death -- had they not pursued so frantically"

Ditto this sentiment. What a bunch of a-holes -- and never even seemed to feel bad about what happened.

JennBe

Congratulations on your 16 days of being a non-smoker!!

Don't let your guard down; the nicodemon is lurking right around the corner.

Now that you've got the smoke out of your system and you've aired-out the house and sent your clothes to the cleaners, it's time to start your withdrawal from the patches and gum (if you're still using them).

You can do it, everyone here knows you can!

Princess Diana was unlawfully killed by the grossly negligent driving of chauffeur Henri Paul and paparazzi photographers pursuing their limousine into a Paris road tunnel in 1997.

The jury, which had spent almost six months listening to more than 250 witnesses from around the world, reached their majority decision on Monday after deliberating for four days."

Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 7, 2008 11:51 AM

Does that include Dodi al-Fayed as well?

Wendy:

I apologize as well since my post was a bit harsh. (But I figured you could take it ; )

Hillary supporters. Have you ever heard her call herself a feminist?

Posted by: nash | April 7, 2008 10:50 AM

Another NASH drive-by posting...

If Gloria Steinem and other leaders in the feminist movement say she's a "feminist", that works for me. They speak with much more authority than you could ever pretend to muster Nash. You start to remind me of the old saying ...

"those who CAN, do.. those who CAN'T become professors"....

Line #3: those who cant teach become critics......

Hello there ETom. Posting longer story -- and must correct my error -- this was verdict of LONDON coroner's jury.

From more complete AP story:

"London -- A coroner's jury ruled Monday that Princess Diana and boyfriend Dodi Fayed were unlawfully killed through the reckless actions of their driver and the paparazzi in 1997.

The jury had been told that a verdict of unlawful killing would mean that they believed the reckless behavior of the driver and paparazzi amounted to manslaughter. It was the most serious verdict available to them.

New criminal charges were unlikely because the incident happened in France outside the British authorities' jurisdiction, a court spokesman said.

Nine photographers were charged with manslaughter in France, but the charges were thrown out in 2002. Three of the photographers were convicted of invasion of privacy in 2006 for taking pictures of the couple. ...."

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Britain-Diana.html?hp
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I would say those photographers got away with manslaughter.

it is sickening! Diana was very special...

Diana's handwritten letters to Dodi are posted here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/07/ndiana307.xml

I never really believed the theory of Dodi's father that it was a conspiracy to stop Diana from marrying a muslim.

ine #3: those who cant teach become critics......

Posted by: sturgeone | April 7, 2008 12:34 PM

Well presumably Nash can "teach" and he is certainly well practiced in the art of criticism. Then again, we all are.

Anyone who has ever gone over her career knows she's a genuine, dyed in the wool feminist. She needs no vetting by anyone.

And yes, feminism may be dead. Seems like young women today often seem content with their stations in life.

Probably the strongest message I have for my granddaughter is to never let someone else define her role in the scheme of things--that she is capable of doing any damned thing she wants to do and capable of doing it better than most others.

From reading the posts on this subject today, i know i have stepped right in the middle of the ANTI-OBAMA social club of America. nothing about the issue of when Obama's guy did this, Team Clinton, jumped on Obama as if he was related to the Rosenbergs trading secrets. Folks seem to be looking for our President To be GOD. And when the high expectations are not met, then everyone want to call the person the Anticrhist. First and foremost, Obama is a HUMAN, he is not perfect, he is not the Masiah, just a man, a politican,HE WILL LIE, HIS TEAM WILL LIE, so will any of us who are running for the biggest seat in the house(thats what humans have been doing for a long time) the question is who is willing to sell their soul for the White House. I know one thing, Team Clinton has lied to the American people, under oath, and it looks like been prostituting themselves at the tune of 109 million dollars, no big thing, I dont judge. It appears if anyone no matter how far down the food chain a person with Obama's point of view, if they say something wack, we want to blaime Obama, I read someone's post about Obama's speech on race, just because the man didnt mention any of the other Hundreds of races that make up this great country, we are a great country with flaws.We have a history,and people that sometimes make me want to throw up, but we are still great, and i dont want to be anywhere else. I dont expect Obama,Hillary,or John McCain to be perfect, just put America, and it's citizens first. no matter what color,race sexual orientation , feminist or not. I am not not perfect and i dont have all the answers, Both of the major parties, are eating from the same trough, so it's going to be real nasty, but we can still be civil.As for the Fl/Mi debacle, all the candidates did sign off on this, and Obama's name wasnt even on the ballot in Mich. so how is this far? earlier in the race Hillary even said, the votes didnt matter, now that we are living in desperate times down at Team Clinton, it's time to change the goalposts AGAIN!!.

I cant understand how a bunch of photogs on motorbikes can cause you to go way to fast for conditions.......maybe it's totally annoying to have someone shoving a camera at you all the time.....but it beats the hell out of driving your car into concrete.......

way too fast......

in defense of my long time pal Nash, to this witticism by EuroTom I would add the following:

""those who CAN, do.. those who CAN'T become professors"....and those that can't do either, run a gas station.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

Patsi:

What's wrong with Mao?!?

(j/k ; )

Kind of ironic that diplomacy may be spurred by Al-Sadr as opposed to the Americans...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080407/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq;_ylt=Aqm_TWCEpDtyaMB.fVQta3KGWo14

A little comic relief...

Mo-bama, Mc-Curly and Hil-Larry

http://commonsenselogic.blogspot.com/2008/03/picture-of-day-three-stooges-obama.html

warren,

The content of the race speech was fine, even laudable. The timing of it and ts purpose are what is ludicrous. Had Wright's anti-american rant not been on the 24 hour newsers nonstop, what is the chance that "discussion on race" would have started then or ever from the post racial politics candidate?

And eddieboyd ... you sound a bit trollish, but nonetheless, Clinton supporter bloggerss aren't the only ones who've noticed the religious bent,

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2008/04/obamas-believer.html

pogo:

I think it was inevitable that some story re: race was going to hit the news during Obama's campaign. And he took this opportunity to confront the issue head on.

And I think the timing was appropriate for several reasons.

-Everybody was listening because of the Wright story. If he made this speech without all the controversey - his speech would have received far less coverage.

-Also, it was timely. Obama was responding to some of the issues raised by the Wright story. If he would have made the same speech without such a prompt - he would have been written off as "injecting race into the campaign." And probably would have been written off as the "black candidate" by some who would argue why doesn't he stick to issues like Iraq and the economy.

Dooty

In here Nash live and dies by what he posts in here. So far, imo, there is no reason to give his opinion any more creedence than the HS dropout who works at the local junk yard where I get parts for my truck. In fact the young man in question seems to have a better grasp of how the world functions than Nash does.

I was impressed, when a youth, by Nash like statements. They are at least 35 years old now. The world has totally changed but the words are still the same, just trying to tear down a different group of people.
Call me much less impressed

Jack

sturg - put a few too many drinks into a chauffeur and I bet the chauffeur thinks driving way too fast is just fine to avoid having your passengers photographed - even if one of them is one of the most photographed people in the world. I would think that tinted glass would be a better alternative - of course this is in retrospect.

yeah......I was thinking more like.....drapes........

http://www.coldbacon.com/pics/kliban/bkgofuck.gif

might as well get used to it.......the only show in town......

MSM being aggravating again today. I know the Mark Penn story is interesting, but the non stop Clinton bashing without so much as one negative word about Obama is a major drag. The woman is obviously about to bring the known western world down around our ears.

Somewhere, at some time, with some person, Sen. Obama must have said or done some thing that would necessitate a gentle word of mild disapproval. At worst he gets a little hand tap and a "no no not nice honey".

n defense of my long time pal Nash, to this witticism by EuroTom I would add the following:

""those who CAN, do.. those who CAN'T become professors"....and those that can't do either, run a gas station.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!
Posted by: yo soy Horsedooty! | April 7, 2008 12:42 PM

Well I am sure mobil people around the globe are glad some people do run gas stations. Then again, I am also an employer, a buyer, a seller, a negotiator, and a great boss. :-) I certainly don't look down on my career... though it is interesting that your comment comes at a time when I am questioning whether I am in the right place or not. Strange...

Anyone here believe that running a gas station/shop as an independent franchise holder is something that is for incapable people? :-)

Oh and I do have a Master's Degree in Public Administration and was Development Director of KAOS Olympia Community Radio for 7 years. Oh yeah, I also cleaned toilets for a summer in The Netherlands.

dear much less impressed,

Tough toenails, buddy. We can all give our opinions here not just you and your fellow Clinton followers. That is the way free speech works as it is supposed to be a two way street.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

warren, you have a point (or two). It probably was inevitable - I guess the timing was predictable if nothing else - the odd thing to me was the failure to acknowledge that Wright prompted the speech. It really ain't that big a thing - it just strikes me as opportunistic, which is one of my concerns about Obama. He has other issues with a racial theme that at one time or another he's going to have to confront, but I suppose that will happen when and if they come up somewhere other than blogs. No need to bat this back and forth - regardless of my misgivings, if he wins the nomination, I'll be voting for him.

Somewhere, at some time, with some person, Sen. Obama must have said or done some thing that would necessitate a gentle word of mild disapproval. At worst he gets a little hand tap and a "no no not nice honey".

Posted by: Jamie | April 7, 2008 1:18 PM

Hmmm Jamie, good point. Do you attribute that to the fact the press serve Obama "ON BENDED KNEE"? Or is it the continued portrayal of him being the most exciting leader since Jesus Christ himself walked the Earth? Or is it because he is also treated as if he is the Messiah come back to save his wayward flock and help them find their way to their heavenly reward? Oh who knows, maybe it's white guilt...

Btw, I reference "On Bended Knee" because of a book I once read:
On Bended Knee: The Press and the Reagan Presidency (Paperback)
by Mark Hertsgaard (Author)

Here is a short write up: "From Publishers Weekly
Based on some 175 interviews with top administration officials, senior journalists and news executives, plus analyses of newspaper articles and television stories, Hertsgaard ( Nuclear Inc. ) argues that the Reagan White House not only tamed the media but transformed it into "a willing mouthpiece of the government" in its coverage of issues ranging from economic policy to arms control. In addition to providing examples of the media's "accommodating passivity" on major issues, he contends that the Reagan propaganda apparatus (or "Deaver & Co.," as he also calls it, referring to the president's former image wizard) chose the First Lady's pet project (i.e., the dangers of drugs) for her to draw attention away from her lavish lifestyle, which the public was beginning to notice and resent. Hertsgaard also claims that evidence suggests a 1980 deal with Iran to delay the hostage release until inauguration day, and that this alleged deal was the genesis of the Iran-contra affair. But these are mere sidelights in this charge-packed attack on the media's "subservience to state authority" and the "witless malevolence" of recent presidential image-making. Hertsgaard's most controversial indictment is that the nation's press lords deliberately reined in their troops.
Copyright 1988 Reed Business Information, Inc."

Opportunistic is another word for good timing.

And timing is everything my friends....

sturg, when I think drapes in a vehicle, I think conversion van - and I don't see Dodi Fayed in one. Better drop this - it could get really tasteless really quickly.

Posted by: eddieboyd2001 | April 7, 2008 12:40 PM

Hi eddieboy.. could you possibly put in a paragraph or two in your next post? Thanks and welcome!

Oh and I do have a Master's Degree in Public Administration and was Development Director of KAOS Olympia Community Radio for 7 years. Oh yeah, I also cleaned toilets for a summer in The Netherlands.

I assume that the Master's Degree is from an accredited institute of higher learning? You did not mention the name of the university is the reason I ask.

One would think someone with higher degrees from a University would value free speech and ideas more than you do here. You seem to think that your ideas are the only ones that count and are free to denigrate any one else because they post thoughts you don't happen to like or agree with. Small minded petty people are sometimes like that.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

For Sturg and Pogo:

Sammy Johns:

"'Cause like a princess she was layin' there
Moonlight dancin' off her hair
She woke up and took me by the hand
She's gonna love me in my Chevy van
And that's all right with me"

ET, LOL!!

you Horsedooty, dial it in a bit... It seems that you're projecting an awful lot here... Of course I value free speech and ideas. Nash's attack on whether Hillary called herself a feminist or not didn't make the grade of a fresh idea, it was just a cheap attack, and he seems to do a lot of that...

My degree is from The Evergreen State College in Olympia Washington. Google it if you wish further information.

Cheerio.

Jamie,

I don't feel any more angry than I always am. I am tired of the sniping by your side and feel it is time to either join the sniping or quit the blog. I am not ready to follow KCG or OD. There are quite a few people here that it seems to me to go out of their way to shit in our nest and it pisses me off.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

For every minute you are angry, you lose sixty seconds of happiness. ~Author Unknown

"I am tired of the sniping by your side"

Would you care to say a word or two about the name calling, put downs, and generally mean, off color and viscious comments from some on your side?

I would totally support a cease fire, but it would be nice if certain folks over there would stop shooting as well.

Thanks Flatus!! Been only using the patch a bit, not everyday though now.

I really enjoyed Eddieboyd's post, they do all drink from the same trough.

About this Feminist thing- I went to college, have worked and been successful in 2 different careers and have chosen to stay home with my kids now and do freelance work at my choosing. I thought that that was what the movement was supposed to offer us, choices, to do what we want do, not to mean that we had to work forever if we choose not to. Okay, stepping down now. : )

thank you UB.. I actually appreciate that comment... xoxoxox

"I am tired of the sniping by your side"

Would you care to say a word or two about the name calling, put downs, and generally mean, off color and viscious comments from some on your side?

I would totally support a cease fire, but it would be nice if certain folks over there would stop shooting as well.

Posted by: Jamie | April 7, 2008 1:37 PM

Amen FEMINIST sister !!!
I suppose I'm not helping much...

sowwy.

Jenn, how is it going with the patch? I see so many people trying to stop smoking and it's bloody hard. Like me with my diet.. today it's really a downer, and i want to totally quit, but I'm plugging on...

Stick with it sweetie... your lungs will thank you over and over again.

humans are pre-programmed to have this unstoppable drive towards civil strife......."The Tower of Babble" one jesus........catholicism, baptists, methodists, lutherans, on and on into smaller groups splitting in half till it winds up with everyone might as well build their own personal church in the back yard, or a corner of the rec room.......

Fred's Church

Strug... is your name Fred?

first thing that crossed my mind was "when two or more are gathered in His name" they are a "church"... I am not a church goer, but if there was a Lutheran one here I'd go primarily for the cultural aspects of it being somewhat of Norwegian descent among other nationalities....

I'ma no Fred.......have just liked the sound of The Church of Fred and the concept of personal church for a long time now......

And........... when two or more are gathered in his name there's soon to be a falling out and an argument over the dough followed by separate bldgs.........

JennBe: Yes, Feminism is about choice. You state that you continue to freelance. I also work from my home. It is not about WHERE you work, it is about maintaining financial freedom and an identity beyond that of your husband and children. I believe that women put themselves in jeopardy when they don't stay current, vibrant and independent. If they "keep their day job" and their husband does leave them for his secretary or a work associate, they have the ability to succeed on their own. Previous generations of women suffered as a result of this lack of independence and I am afraid that history is repeating itself (again, this is an observation based on several of my close friends being left by their husbands in the last few months.)

And staying home while your children are young is completely understandable...I just wonder why so many of my friends who have school age children are not choosing to go back to some form of work. Personally, I think my husband likes the fact that he doesn't bear the sole financial responsibility in our marriage because, I can tell you, teenagers are really expensive!

Mark Penn's decision to step down as Hillary Clinton's chief strategist comes after months of bitter campaign infighting over disappointing performance and questionable judgment.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/07/clinton.campaign/index.html?eref=rss_politics

And this woman thinks she should be entrusted with running the federal government. I don't think so, her first time in a managerial position in her life and she has failed miserably, squandered money, poor planning, and an angry staff. Well done Hillary, well done.

addendum to my last post to Euro Tom,

I meant to add that there are snipers after Clinton from the Obama side.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

HD, oof course most marriages aren't conducted over the internet, although I'd bet many marital partners wish theirs was!

"and before we knew it........EVERYBODY was sniping........."

http://www.ahajokes.com/crt877.html

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is calling on President Bush to stay away from the Olympics opening ceremonies in Beijing this summer.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080407/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_olympics

Totally disagree with HRC on this one. I hope Obama does not cave to the political pressure.

the chinese might get mad and raise the price on all the stuff in Wal-Mart.......

either that or they might want some of their money back they've been lending us.......oy

warren, this is one we agree on - I thought Carter was wrong to boycott the Moscow Olympics in 1980 under his watch, and like to think the Olympics is something that should be de-politicized as much as possible. Pelosi was among those who have urged Dumya to boycott the opening ceremonies in protest of China's human rights and Tibet policies, and I disagree strongly with her on this issue.

Actually - if we move China from the ally category - and into the enemy category - this is not good. The so-called enemies will have a world power that can galvanize American resistance - and present the US with an opponent that makes Iran and Syria look like small potatoes.

There are plenty more reasons to improve US-Chinese relations - than there are to drive a wedge into them.

Also - the real way to get China to start doing some of the things we want is to engage them and increase their ties with America - not by pissing on their Olympic ceremony or by calling them out again and again in public.

Dumb politicians...

I just hope the Dems get their act together by November. If we elect another Republican president I am looking for property in Costa Rica....pronto!!

I dont think there's any danger of our doing anything to anger our chinese friends.........

About the Olympics, Carter's decision to boycott he Moscow Olympics penalized athletes who had a dream of greatness and it widened the rift between the USA and the USSR. Bad idea all around. The whole point of the Olympics is to bring countries together to compete and maybe develop some understanding of each other...

I hear Costa Rica is nice - I had a couple of friends way back when who used to go do volunteer coordination for a couple of months each year at the Monteverde Cloud Forest - couldn't get them to shut up about the place. If you inquire - see if there are a couple of places available reasonably there - I kinda like the tropics and kinda hate living under a Republican president.

confederates in brazil:
http://www.patsabin.com/lowcountry/confederados.htm

"""those who CAN, do.. those who CAN'T become professors"....and those that can't do either, run a gas station."

Doots -- My father-the-farmer also ran a gas station. Let's not talk class. Because it will get very ugly very fast. I don't take kindly to people trashing my father.

Chinese are already taking their money out of U S treasury bills.

Even tho the dollar did go up today vs/Euro. It still is not worth very much. Chinese could buy us out in a heartbeat..

Julie

Warren,

Guilt doesn't work well on the Chinese, losing face does and by not attending the Opening ceremonies, the nations of the world are shaming China. If it gets them to ease up on Darfur, Sudan, Tibet, and even their own citizens, it will be worth it.

That way you don't injure the games or the athletes. You don't interfere with the economics. It's worth a try.

Ally, I understand what you are saying. I do my my freelance work solely for myself. It is not a big money maker more like creative outlet and on my schedule. I have no doubt in my mind though that if circumstances happened that I could go back to a career very easily and support my family. I also worked until my oldest was about to go to kindergarten and made my choice to stay home for thier school years because for me that is what I consider the critical years where they need parental guidence the most.

I may not be the norm, as I say a bunch, because, well I'm pretty self-invovled ; ) , and my marraige has been and is a 50/50 deal when it comes to raising the kids, home issues, etc. regardless of who is making the money. Luckily my husband agrees with me this.

I just find it discouraging at times to hear famous women in the Feminist movement disparage younger women who have made different choices. That's all.

BTW, to all the women (and men) on this blog, even though we do disagree about issues at times, I appreciate everyone's input.

Thanks Tom, the patch has helped to keep my emotions in check. The gum tasted awful so that didn't last long. You are doing great also, so don't give up! Your heart will be very happy!

Oh that was funny. Noron saying, "You have to check because sometimes people have stories in their head or biases" ... This from one of MSNBC's major Clinton bashers (or at least news reader of Clinton bashing dialogue).

It just amazes me with all this excruciating bashing of Hillary and her tax release the MSM is totally ignoring "Nadhmi Auchi, a British-Iraqi billionaire lent millions of dollars to Barack Obama's fundraiser just weeks before an imprudent land deal that has returned to haunt the presidential contender, the Britain/Iraq businessman that helped Obama buy his mock Georgian mansion in Chicago; and Joseph Aramanda a Syrian-born millionaire’s whose extensive fundraising operations, central to the prosecution’s case against Rezko is a $375,000 payoff - called a “finder’s fee” - that is alleged to have been skimmed illegally from investment fees paid by the Illinois state teachers’ pension fund. The media has down played the ongoing trial and investigations connected with Obama."

Why is this not discussed on MSNBC or Faux news? Has the MSM become that jaded and "in the tank" for Obama that it has become impossible for the MSM to give objective fair analytical critiquing of Obama? Does the media have that much fear and hatred for a woman in charge that it has become impossible for the media to treat Hillary fairly and Obama with far more scrutiny?

--Heather

Some fun stuff

http://eviljwinter.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/attention-far-right/

"The guy who wrote The Purpose-Driven Life is an Evangelical who believes in, or at least gives a fair hearing to, Darwin and the Big Bang because, dude, God’s just awesome enough to pull that off. He’s also a Democrat because, apparently, if you read those red letters in the New Testament, that’s WWJD."

Go read the whole thing
LOL

Jack

Jenn: There should be no bashing but there should be education and there should be a reminder of history and the reasons why the Women's Movement happened. My comments come out of concern for women, not to be critical. I have one friend in a really, really bad marriage and she has no power in the relationship. I am confident that a big part of the issue is her lacking financial independence and her husband asserting control over her because he is the breadwinner.

Don't get me wrong: Not all men are like this. I happened to be married to a saint (as my mother reminds me every time we talk on the phone.)

I also feel that the sisterhood women had during the Women's Movement has evaporated a bit. Instead many women choose to tear each other down (call each other whores, for instance) and I just don't get it. I don't think we need to agree all the time, as you say, but we should at least respect each other. After all, we've come a long way baby!

I mean "I happen to be married to a saint." We are still married! Hopefully that wasn't a Freudian slip.

"Doots -- My father-the-farmer also ran a gas station. Let's not talk class. Because it will get very ugly very fast. I don't take kindly to people trashing my father". As said by Patsi.

Patsi, If I remember your father or class never entered the conversation with myself and Euro Tom. But don't you agree that Euro Tom in his snipe at Nash was attempting to trash his profession? Don't you? That is all I meant.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

Here is an interesting site for the computer, photographer, and photoshop folks amongst us. The rest can just enjoy the wild pictures

http://www.worth1000.com/default.asp?display=photoshop

I get it Jamie. You are channelling HRC....

"Shame on you China."

I don't buy it. I don't think shame works. Especially when you are pissed off at the people who are shaming you.

If people who I am angry at start shaming me - my reaction will be to tell them to "Go f*ck themselves."

But, I would have a different reaction if people that I like and respect (i.e., people that I want to stay friends with) - start putting pressure on me to do something.

I don't think countries are much different than people...

Jack,

"fair hearing to, Darwin and the Big Bang because, dude, God’s just awesome enough to pull that off."

I severely upset an evangelical once by saying, "I'm willing to give God credit for the creation. I'm just not conceited enough to tell him how he did it!"

Dear Jamie:

I visited your blog site and loved it love your 8-ball widget, sticky fingers me I may have to steal your cute widget lol
I am humbled you added my blog to your blogroll Jamie thank you! I will keep it more current since I am aware of that.
Since I don't smoke, drink or do drugs that leaves me with my addiction to widgets :-)) shhhhhhh don't tell Craig but I stole his CQ widget , If I could, I'd steal Craig and take him home and adopt him, and provide him with a Steinway Piano and a Candelabra :-))

Just kidding Craig heehee

Sincerely, Heather

Obama Bashers, maybe Team Clinton misspoke about this as well.

www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/05/clinton-under-fire-over-f_n_95218.html

Jamie:

One more point. I would be much more likely to do what my friends are urging me to do - if they pull me aside and tell me in private why they believe I should change my behavior.

Again, my reaction may be different if they call be out in public.

Relating to your post, if I cave in to public pressure - I may lose face.

china has been fairly eloquent in their rebuttals to our past criticisms......our current administration might be overly sensitive to that point.......

Good heavens there is an unbiased article on BHO on Huffington post.

BHO says he does not need a foreign policy adviser as VP . The article states that his cockiness is showing.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-says-no-to-foreign_b_95357.html

Julie

Back when I worked, I had (what I considered) the most wonderful cartoon posted on my bulletin board. Showed a little person in an office saying...

"Around here, we can name our own salaries!
I call mine Fred...."

Loved that cartoon! Thanks for reminding me of it, sturg! Like Church of Fred a lot, too!

to LushisLinda
(And eddieboyd ... you sound a bit trollish, but nonetheless, Clinton supporter bloggerss aren't the only ones who've noticed the religious bent, ) your 12:57pm is lovely, trollish? well, we trolls hate to crash this WASP, ELITIST picnic, but bashing Obama or HILLCO, all day is not great way of showing unity Iam one of those independent voters that Team Clinton is trying to woo. i find it amazing that one candidate's lie, is another one's "misspoke" , with so much hate, i wouldnt be surprised if in your zest to destroy eachother the so-call "Party of the People" allow McBush to slip right on by for a 3rd term of CRAP.
so I apologize Lushish Linda, for not being as uptight sheep with blinds as some of posts i have read today. I am just a hard working blue collar guy who's fighting cancer and needs a laugh, and got one today from reading this thread.

Understanding the differences between US an Chinese culture, ethics and morality is crucial. World politics is not a coca-cola commerical.

Lip service is paid to Tibet and Myanmar but when the tough choices come situational ethics prevail.

http://www.globecartoon.com/china/

ya cant throw a rock without hitting one of those "independent voters that team clinton is trying to woo".

Eddie: you have got this blog PEGGED!

And good luck with fighting that cancer. We need all the non-uptight sheep with blinds that can be found.

Having trouble wading through all the stuff posted on your various blogs.
My favorite columnist/crime fiction writer, Dusty Rhodes has some ideas to help you make it through your day.

"Learn How to Skip Over the Inane and Senseless"

http://www.thepilot.com/stories/20080406/opinion/columns/20080406Senseless.html

Jack

Jamie, I love that site!! Thanks, I think I may try and enter one of the contests.

I know what you saying Ally, and agree with much of it. As for calling other women whores, etc. my friends and I say it to each other jokingly, we have rather foul mouths, but do not refer to other women that way. Hopefully that makes sense.

Oh, I just heard Contessa say that Sen. Clinton will be on MoJo tomorrow. I won't be watching but those who want to thought I'd let you know.

Someone call me tomorrow morning. Clinton on MoJoe at 6:20 A.M. EDT

3:20 is early even for me.

That article gave me a good laugh, Whisky! Off to baseball for a while, try to check in later.

Take care y'all,
Jenn

I feel so much better since I quit watching msnbc and cnn.This morning I watched abc for some of the news then turned off the tv and went out to my small greenhouse and did some transplanting.What a relief not to have to listen to the Obama love fest and all the Hillary bashing.Of course there is still plenty of that here but I can skip over the nastier stuff.I gained 6 lbs. this winter because of watching all the politics on tv.I'm free I'm free at last Lol! Now I need to spend less time on this pc.Maybe then I could paint.But I will still follow the election but not full time

When I sign on at aol I take the weekly poll.Must be all old people on AOL because Hillary won every state last week and is ahead in every state today on the first day of new poll.She's 20 points ahead today.Hope that is a new trend.

Ruth

Dear Ruth:
LOL if you are on the pc lees you will miss my posts I am the refreshing Oasis of Pro-Hillary support including Wendy, Jamie, Patsi, EuroTom, Jason among many others :-))

Please tune in same Craig Time same Craig Channel:-))

Sincerely,
Heather

testing

Jamie , if you want I can give you a call at 3 a.m. so you won't miss Clinton on tv. Or maybe Hillary can do that?

Heather I still check and read all the posts,skip Warren's,He's too negative and he's drinking the Kool-aid.

Also want to thank everyone for the good links I get here.That way I don't have to spend time researching.I copy the good ones for my friend who does not have a pc.Glad to hear about Hillary on Mo jo.I can t-vo it and can skip all the other crap.
Ruth

eddieboyd2001

I am glad the pic made you laugh!! 8~D

To Pogo,
I apologize for the runnig off post, i forgot to downshift.

my husband is out getting ready to plant radishes and lettuce and onions and spinach,Gonna go see how he's doing will check back in here tonight.I still can not read any posts after mine unless I repost.That is pretty annoying
Ruth

Whiskey Jack: your link to Dusty Rhoads' post is excellent.

Dusty even has some wise words on dealing with the GORDOs of the world:

"Fear is the tool of the intellectually deficient, and the intellectually deficient are a waste of time."

=====

So true.

Interestingly...this is from someone I consider to be one of the Obamamediamaniacs

"Is Hillary's Much-Maligned Hospital Story Fundamentally True"

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/is-hillarys-muc.html?cid=109814178#comment-109814178

And the video that will make Obamamaniacs across the country weep

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wqpEt_CdBk&e

"Asked to rank the presidency of George W. Bush in comparison to those of the other 41 American presidents, more than 61 percent of the historians concluded that the current presidency is the worst in the nation's history"

http://hnn.us/articles/48916.html

AOL still exists?

(just kidding Ruth ; )

Wendy

How long do you think we will have to wait to hear that side of the story on cable news?

Obama's "race speech" included a line about Hillary playing the Race Card.
That's when I stopped listening.

Yes Heather - it appears many can "see" a racist comment in non-racist comments - but can't identify sexism and misogyny.

Obama has successfully played the Race Card with his race baiting tactics and used it as a weapon.

Scary.

The media is concealing info about Obama LYING about his father's connection to the Kennedy family!!

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/30/13655/6958

WaPo exposed this last Sunday with much available documentation - but since it conflicts with the goals of Obamedia - it's concealed from the public.

Jamie - I doubt it'll get much attention - but the do love video evidence...let's see if they do anything with this video. MoJo seems to want to defend her - I think if he's given an opening...he might go for it.If she is indeed going to be on there tomorrow...who knows. Since Tapper is ABC...that might help get it some mainstream attention. That all sounds optimistic...doesn't it? I don't mean for it to because I'm about 80% that they'll continue the Hillary bashing narrative rather than the truth.

JoseyJ - I agree about Obama's race speech...as soon as he took a swipe at Hillary and Ferraro it became nothing more than a typical stump speech.

JennBe: Joking around with your friends is totally different than the kind of whore-calling I am talking about. I call my best friend a bee-ahtch daily.

Jamie and Wendy: I am not wondering if the family was horrified to see their daughter's name in print as not having $100 and reacted by asserting that the whole story is false. According to accounts I've read she also had unpaid medical bills and this may also explain if she was actually turned away.

When I was young I had a cat who was very ill. I had no money and my parents had pretty much cut me off. The cat died. Later my mom said, "I would have given you the money to save the cat! I can't believe you let the cat die!" I am not equating this woman's life with a cat but I know that sooner or later many of us stop asking our parents for help and this could be what happened to this woman. And her parents might be embarrassed that they didn't help her (or couldn't if they didn't know)

Ally,

What I find amazing is that Sen. Clinton never mentioned either the name of the patient or the hospital and it was only the hospital's response that made that information public.

All of it doesn't take anything away from the fact that Sen. Clinton has the only health plan that covers everyone and that if it had been in effect, this lady would have been treated immediately.

a dose of reality

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wqpEt_CdBk&e

Taking a swipe at Ferraro or Hillary or accusing Clinton of playing the race card....really? I read his speech as urging us to move beyond all that.

"Some will see this as an attempt to justify or excuse comments that are simply inexcusable. I can assure you it is not. I suppose the politically safe thing to do would be to move on from this episode and just hope that it fades into the woodwork. We can dismiss Reverend Wright as a crank or a demagogue, just as some have dismissed Geraldine Ferraro, in the aftermath of her recent statements, as harboring some deep-seated bias.

But race is an issue that I believe this nation cannot afford to ignore right now. We would be making the same mistake that Reverend Wright made in his offending sermons about America — to simplify and stereotype and amplify the negative to the point that it distorts reality.

The fact is that the comments that have been made and the issues that have surfaced over the last few weeks reflect the complexities of race in this country that we've never really worked through — a part of our union that we have not yet made perfect. And if we walk away now, if we simply retreat into our respective corners, we will never be able to come together and solve challenges like health care or education or the need to find good jobs for every American."

...

"For we have a choice in this country. We can accept a politics that breeds division and conflict and cynicism. We can tackle race only as spectacle — as we did in the O.J. trial — or in the wake of tragedy — as we did in the aftermath of Katrina — or as fodder for the nightly news. We can play Reverend Wright's sermons on every channel, every day and talk about them from now until the election, and make the only question in this campaign whether or not the American people think that I somehow believe or sympathize with his most offensive words. We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she's playing the race card, or we can speculate on whether white men will all flock to John McCain in the general election regardless of his policies.

We can do that.

But if we do, I can tell you that in the next election, we'll be talking about some other distraction. And then another one. And then another one. And nothing will change."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88478467

Hillary state headquarters opens in Portland tonight.

my congresswoman, Darlene Hooley, to speak.

this is pretty straightforward...doesn't favor either candidate...well...unless you look at who has done a lot of stuff to help people and who hasn't done much stuff at all.

http://www.diversityj.com/HillaryObamaComparison.html

Hillary picks up super delegate

:-D

I remember as a little girl a German neighbor used to cook beef tripe [ughhh] I could smell that awful stink in the entire hallway it was dreadful and when Chris Mathews comes on it's ironic that he reminds me of that with his incessant Hillary bashing.

On the bright side I'm helping my daughter with her homework enjoying the Yankee game before getting her ready for bed.
LOL Sparkey is watching he is like the homework Czar observing making sure all is going properly lol.

Later :-))

--Heather

the Sunday Secrets...

http://postsecret.blogspot.com/

KGC: if you are lurking, please come back.

Hey Warren,
500,000 voted last week on aol poll so I guess it still exists.My son always complains because I still have aol.It's just so easy for me to use.
Ruth

Maybe he had an employment contract, stating that she would have to pay 100% regardless of whether he sucked or not.

So what is Penn doing now?

"We can dismiss Reverend Wright as a crank or a demagogue, just as some have dismissed Geraldine Ferraro, in the aftermath of her recent statements, as harboring some deep-seated bias"

Warren, This is a classic propaganda speech technique. You tie one thing to another to make them equal to each other. The idea stays behind that Ferraro is a crank and demagogue ... Sen. Obama is incredibly good at this. You have to give him credit. It just happens to be dishonest.

If he really wanted to move beyond race, he would have left the sentence out or praised both parties for their contributions despite ill chosed words.

When Karl Rove calls you arrogant, you just may have a problem in that respect. :-)

Don't need historians to tell me George Bush is the worst president ever.He was bad from the start but look at all the people who voted for him again.Probably the same ones who think Obama is so great.
Ruth

KGC.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4SxQ5BSJPc

I think that Geraldine Ferraro's comment were for the most part benign. I think they were perceive incorrectly, and used in a political battle, and in 20 years they will - oh never mind - history has never been taught in this country accurately.

If I were Hillary, I'd make him get my coffee. No wait, he might poison it.

Thank you -- totally disgusted with the MSM. You can see how it's ground down Senator Clinton who's doing her best under these circumstances. No other candidate is being ground through meat grinders all day long. She's the only decent candidate who will do anything for people, in the field, too.

LOL unlikely-burrito ...

KO is disgusting tonight. For 15 minutes he bashed Sen. Clinton for her "untrue" story and then in minute 16 mentions in passing that she might get a "mulligan" on this one since there seemed to be another hospital involved. In the tank, going down for the third time ... glug glug glug

Jamie: regarding your 6:48 PM post, maybe she was naive to trust a story that came from a law enforcement officer and I guess you just can't trust anyone these days but you're right, it doesn't negate the reality of the health care issue and her commitment to getting everyone insured or BETTER insured. Sicko just came out last year...have we forgotten about that movie already? (Because you know I like to relate everything to the movies!)

r

Week after week the Economist proves itself to be the best English language news magazine. People can visit all the web sites they want to searching for the most 'palatable truth' which, in fact, is probably no more than fantasy or fiction.

Here's this week's take on how the Economist sees our campaign:

http://www.economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10961825

Jamie : "KO is disgusting tonight."

His is just being his own disgusting self. Eventually he will wear out his welcome, like he has done so many time before.

Barack Obama - Operation Board Games For Slumlords

"If Obama had an ounce of respect for Democratic voters, he'd drop out of the race before the details of the corruption in Illinois spread to the rest of the country. If the leaders of the Democratic party had a lick of sense, they would inform Obama right now that under no circumstances will his name be on the ballot come fall."

http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/genera_evelyn_p_080404_barack_obama___opera.htm

am fairly certain that KO's audience doesnt contain many GOP.........now he's alienating half the democrats......what the hell is HE thinking?

maybe he's just following orders.........

Painter/Ruth: look at all the people who voted for him again.(meaning GWBush) Probably the same ones who think Obama is so great.
Ruth

====
That is an asinine statement.

I'm sad that you are so disappointed, Ruth. I am just sad for you.

I don't think Hillary has made that many mistakes.It's just that the media plays them over and over and over and hardly even a mention to The Saint Obama.I'm sure he has made as many if not more but you will never hear about them.Hillary always said she could beat the Republicans.Her biggest problem is that she didn't think that the media would be a bigger enemy than the Republicans.but then the media is owned by those who favor Rep.'s so that is how they planned to beat her,By using media to push Obama who they know will be easier to beat.Otherwise the Rep.'s had no chance of winning this time and they knew it.And the media fell right in line.They had to if they wanted to keep their jobs.Andrea Mitchell's husband just endorsed McCain.Do you smell a rat.
Ruth

sturgeone --------------------------

KO is a JW "LB"

Dog.
Don't be sad for me,be sad for the country.
Ruth

ok ok.......what is a JW "LB"?

KO thinks that he, himself , can save the world with his words.

He thinks we will all come around, and say, "Wow- Keith you were right!"

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/04/obamas-lobbyist-fib.html#comment-64247

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/04/obamas-lobbyist-fib.html#comment-64226

Impersonating another poster is wrong and only a disturbed person would engage in this activity.

Everyone just get a key.

Dog.
Don't be sad for me,be sad for the country.
Ruth

Posted by: painter | April 7, 2008 9:00 PM

Not Dog. A sicko

sturgeone -----------------------

Clue: CEO

What's up with the picture of Terry McCaullif holding an Obama 08 sign posing with different people.Is this for real or fake photography.Or was it supposed to be a joke
Ruth

gordo _ don't you have a key?

no key, no response....that is easy...No?

I couldn't post without a key.Thought everyone had to have one

I gotta brand new pair of roller skates

You've got a brand new key

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd7MVwET0QY

Jack

no that's where the problem is, people can take your name and sign on as you without a key

Painter,

I wish Dog hadn't been so brutally honest with you, but it should be clear to all of us that the folks least likely to have voted for President Bush in '04 are probably the more zealous Obama supporters today. I can understand Dog being insulted by that one.

As for your other statement about smelling a rat with Alan Greenspan's endorsement of Senator McCain, Greenspan is a lifelong Republican, so there's no surprise there either. Ms. Mitchell's bosses are the one's who have to be wary of her credibility, if they care.

n

Evening all.

I did put up that post, calling Ruth's statement asinine.

(Sorry Ruth, but it struck me that way.)

No impersonating going on. Nothing to see here, Move along.

I think dog was a fake dog

I am player poker at the same time , so excuse me if I mess up.

oh o.k. never mind

Video of Mark Penn on the phone with Hillary yesterday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zOhG0XCOKw

EdVB,
I knew Greenspan is a Republican.That was my point about the media being controlled by them.And I shouldn't have been so insulting to dog Sorry

Rush - Lock And Key

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_XDLWfdz9w

Jack

Bertie Higgins Key Largo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2uWELa0ziI

Jack

I guess when I made that comment I was thinking about something my husband said when I told him that I could not believe that people were falling for the rhetoric of Obama and he said they (not meaning Obama supporters) voted for Bush twice didn't they.
Ruth

Brye...wrong regarding super delegate...

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html

check the add list for today at the bottom...David Wilcox added today.

Thnx

Hannity & Colmes just did an article on Obama/Ayers connection and are going to talk about Obama's half truths next .

At least there is one msm station that will talk about Obama without fawning..

Julie

Yes Ruth, there seems to be a pattern there. My dumb ass friends that voted Bush last time...like Obama this time.

Yep! these are people who, do nothing more to get their news then watch a morning show.

They are out there and they vote!

Sorry, I did a you tube search on key those were bad

But this one makes up for the previous ones

JEFF BECK with B.B. KING - Key To The Highway

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fuMF3Bjr84

Jack

h

best for the last

Night all
More BB King
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcH-jmmaY7Q

Jack

Ed to Painter: "I wish Dog hadn't been so brutally honest with you, but it should be clear to all of us that the folks least likely to have voted for President Bush in '04 are probably the more zealous Obama supporters today. I can understand Dog being insulted by that one."

Well, what I took Painter to be saying was that it's the same blind follower mindset. And dog, SPARE me the usual "Oh, dear, I'm just so sad" for everybody that doesn't agree with me response. I might throw up if I see that one floated again.

there are a bunch of blind followers - that is exactly what make candidates win

Burrito,
My husband said he will vote for Obama if Clinton loses because we get his union pension and he says it would be at risk if the Republicans get in again.And also living in Illinois it would be to our advantage to have a president from our state.Look what Bush did for Texas and the oil companies.But I'm an idealist not a realist and would have a hard time voting for someone I don't trust or like.
Ruth

I did not know Phil Donahue was still alive.

In my home it's going to be a tough call if it is between Obama and McCain......

Burrito,Being from Illinois I can write in hillary's name because he will probably carry the state anyway,but I'm not giving up on Hillary.If the msm starts to do their job instaed of pushing a candidate then who knows what could happen.It's not over til its over.
Ruth

Phil Donahue has a very sharp documentary on the war in Iraq being released this week, I think......

I've got a stack of Sudoku puzzles to catch up on from Chicago Trib so gotta say good night.Don't fight too much.Go Hillary!

Patsi,

I figured Painter probably meant it the way she said it the second time, and I wanted to give her a chance to re-phrase it if she chose to.

I really like that the Obama people like their candidate. It's nice to see them happy supporting someone. And the Hillary supporters are the same, but their candidate has been shit on every insy bitsy tiny turn of events.

I really wonder who is the best candidate...if you have a loved one in the service?

Right , but there is no way of "knowing" who will do that.

They all lie, or extend the truth, they don't know what the future holds...it's a crap shoot....

It's like trying to build a building without knowing the specs.

It's all a guessing game.

That would be a nice turn of events....but it just seems unlikely to me.

And by the way what is a "whole lot" ?

j/k

I sincerely hope the MSM loses a lot of their audience. I think they have feared that blogs may become more popular than they are and for me that has happened.

Cable news has just become opinion news and misinformation. Their coverage of this campaign made me lose any trust I had in them.

I was a hard core cable news addict for year but I quit watching everything but the local news, PBS and reading what I want to read on the Internet. I read the blogs I want to read and skip what I don't want to read. I love having that kind of control and I am sure I am not alone.

Burrito,

I have to say Sen Clinton is probably the best choice.

Our military commitments are much broader than Iraq and Afghanistan. We have treaty obligations all over the world that have the potential of forcing our military into combat action. A consistently competent diplomatic presence in those countries is probably the best way of avoiding a military option.

Also, out military infrastructure is in a horrendous state. Our people in uniform deserve better. Having a more centrist Administration would make it easier to get desperately needed upgrades.

It's my bedtime so I not going to pursue this further tonight, but, in order, I think Clinton, McCain and then Obama are the best ranking.

Thanks Flatus, That is the order of candidates in this home so far. I just hope we end up having that choice.

Still far short of what you shoveled all day my boy.....

I just assemble it into a coherent whole...your's is more like the runs...

get some sleep. They say lack of deep sleep causes aging.....

Biological aging in humans is accelerated in part by the increasng lack of deep sleep. There are other factors, but often we have to work with what we've got.

The health of our mitochondria also plays a big role...

Rock Chalk Jayhawk!

Ha! My son just called me from a Washington DC sports bar to say, "Rock Chalk Jayhawk!"

NEW THREAD

I did not know Phil Donahue was still alive.

Posted by: unlikely_burrito | April 7, 2008 10:04 PM

I love Marlo Thomas

WTF does "Rock Chalk Jayhawk" mean? That's about the stupidest thing I've ever heard!

This will not be mentioned on MSNBC nor CNN and lso Craig you did a gr8t job on Imus giving your thoughts on the primary race on Thurs? if you could post that for ev1 to see or hear it was a very interesting take on whats happening as far as the RULES are concerned in the democratic party. Which just keeps changing, changing, changing.

great article!

Guys- anyone interested in politics/presidential race should definitely check out http://www.savagepolitics.com
Their articles are like nothing I have read in any of the current media outlets. It is brilliant writing plus it offers a great community in which to discuss. The editor actually takes time to answer and the political humor section is awesome!!!

Check out the article “We are the puppets”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://savagepolitics.com/?p=271

Who wants a nigger president anyway?

Thank you Craig. You're one of the few journalists I can count on for fair and honest reporting.
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