Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Just read some very bad news. Tavis Smiley lost his gig as a commentator on the Tom Joyner Morning Show -- and according to the report it is because of his "let's wait and see" attitude about Barack Obama's candidacy.

How is pointing out voters' bitterness supposed to make them "sweet on you?" Seems like an uncharacteristic lapse on Obama's part. Could "battle fatigue" be setting in?

At this moment, Obama is speaking in Indiana,(available thru CNN) re-tooling the comments to his SF fundraisers--will it work to his advantage--I suspect with the able assistance of the media, he may well transform what appeared to be condescending & elitist into a plus-- may not necessarily help in PA--but the media will use every opportunity to praise his forthrightness--just review the first reports in various media this am--it has already begun.

this is an amazing moment in the primary season according to me!
My jaw dropped when I heard this. This is confirmation of what some people have been saying in the past. Obama is a black elite who wants to rule form his ivory tower. "Look at me, Look ta me, I am the black man that made it"..
This is why he twice has let down the black communuty by not showing up in Memphis among others..

More belief to me, that the Big B is just what I thought he was... A black Uncle Tom.

There...
I've said it......

Hope people wil start to realise that he is there because he has been put there. Hope you will get that the Kennedy's didn't just lent their support, it is a favour, for a return gift....He says these things when he is with the elite, the elite that formed him and the ones that will own him. They are the ones that want HRC to quit, because they know, she will NOT be that puppet!

Pfffffffffff
However this story will die down rather quickly...Messiah Obama has said it, so let it dwindle into the past.

We as African Americans will wake up when it is too late, when it will take us another 200 years to get a viable black candidate with a chance. These remarks and actions will haunt us for ages to come.
Thanks Barrack. Thank you!

HRC 08

By Paul Farhi
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, April 12, 2008; Page C01
One of Sen. Barack Obama's toughest African American critics is quitting his long association with a national radio show after facing a backlash from the program's listeners.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/11/AR2008041103056.html

Just imagine for one minute if Hillary Clinton had made a remark of this type about why she is not getting the AA vote. She did say that AA's were voting for Obama because they were proud of his candidacy and that she respected that. That was a respectful analysis unlike "bitter people resorting to guns and religion" but she was called a racist for that and less.

First paragraphs from the AP story by Jim Kuhnhenn that Craig links to:

TERRE HAUTE, Ind. (AP) -- In the midst of an assault from his rivals, a defensive Barack Obama said Friday that many working-class Americans are angry and bitter over economic inequalities and have lost faith in Washington - and, as a result, vote on the basis of other issues such as gun protections or gay marriage.

The Illinois senator's analysis of what motivates working-class voters came after chief rival Hillary Rodham Clinton accused him of looking down on such voters. Clinton rebuked Obama on Friday for similar remarks he made privately last Sunday to a group of donors in San Francisco.

"People don't vote on economic issues because they don't expect anybody is going to help them," Obama told a crowd at a Terre Haute, Ind., high school Friday evening. "So people end up voting on issues like guns and are they going to have the right to bear arms. They vote on issues like gay marriage. They take refuge in their faith and their community, and their family, and the things they can count on. But they don't believe they can count on Washington."

The Huffington Post Web site reported Friday that Obama, speaking of some Pennsylvanians' economic anxieties, told supporters at the San Francisco fundraiser: "You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years. ... And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

In Terre Haute, Obama said he did describe some voters as bitter when a donor asked why working-class voters in Pennsylvania were not getting behind his campaign.

"Well, that's not my experience," Clinton told a Drexel University crowd, describing the state's residents as resilient, optimistic and hardworking.

"Pennsylvanians don't need a president who looks down on them," she said. "They need a president who stands up for them."
===============

Rest of article is quotes from McCain and Clinton folks piling on.

OK: would you rather have a president who observes the disconnect voters feel from Washington -- where they vote on cultural issues since they feel unheard -- or someone who patronizes them?

Clinton has been telling them all along to feel very very afraid and she's the only one who can fight for them (because they sure can't fight without her) and now they're resilient, optimistic and hard-working?

Oh puhleez.

Craig; do you choose your headlines?

Like Clinton with "Shock and Awe" and Obama with "Fib" and "Bitter" on recent links?

What will Olbermann do, his guys are actually saying something negative about Obama. First Richard
Wolf and now Craig.....guess we won't be seeing you any time soon.

For the first time in my adult life, this bitter, clingy, typical white person wishes that the Obama's would just go away.

I heard that Hillary has a bobmshell waiting in the wings after the debate. What could that be?

Be interesting to see the next set of poll numbers in PA. See if there is any fallout from yesterday.

If Edwards would like to have an impact on this race, he should endorse someone after PA but before NC.

Well Craig does hit the story and please note the rebutal by Obama is not what he said in SF.

Please note the following as well

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/obamas-college.html

The comments are rather harsh, but let's be clear; Obama said his growing up abroad when he was very young is his best foreign policy credentials. 6 - 10 years old, and this experiance let him understadn the world and what people outside America think. So Rez, what was that about Frank Davis have zero impact on him because "who remembers things between the age of 10 -17?" Of course, I'm paraphrasing you.

Now why Obama just decided to go to that College Spring break in Pakistan is anyone's guess. I would love to know what he did and who he hung out with. Certainly the Taliban and AQ were not around and it is astonishing that Obama thinks this is foreign policy experiance. My guess is that he spun this now because he knows his passport was looked at and Pakistan fits in to the Obama WAS a Muslim THEN.

So Good Morning everyone and thanks Craig for highlighting yesterday's hot topic. Corey might be right, but perhaps it will be today's hot topic as well, that is, until Media finds some unimportant thiing to tar Hillary with. Perhaps Sinclair for boosting Hllary in PR.

I'm still bummed out that Tavis Smiley has been kicked under the bus.

Craig: I take it today is our "fertilizing the garden" tutorial?

Because even compost made from bitter, bitter coffee grounds can have a beneficial effect, out in the fresh air and sunshine.

I think Obama was showing empathy, not elitism with his remarks.

And that if he felt the average voter was that stupid, he would not have bothered with his thoughtful and heartfelt speech on a More Perfect Union a few weeks ago.

Hillary will take this and run with it, but the underlying truth behind Obama's remarks could use a good look.

Shall check back with you later. Quick rain has made the yard more pliable -- time to get after some early dandelions. (Not for any culinary purposes, KGC.)

Sorry dog....I stand by my post on the last thread. Obama was telling his San Francisco donors that he'd lose Pennsylvania because of ignorant rednecks.

Yeah Patsi, but that's likely to be your view.

I think he may have been trying to explain why it was hard for them to take a chance on a newcomer, and that their expectations of Washington and any possibility of change is very low.

It will be fascinating to see how this plays out; actual impact won't be apparent for a week or so. (Would suspect it will hurt him in early polling.)

This could work to his advantage if he gets in front of the story.

He's got a lot of people's attention, that's for sure.

Patsi: question from earlier thread: are you working on a new book or an article? Good luck if so.

Wow Tom -- that's quite an article you linked....this last paragraph!!!

"On the Huffington Post Web site yesterday, author and political analyst Earl Ofari Hutchinson suggested that Smiley was the victim of "the black Obama thought police," which had subjected him to "a verbal public lynching" for comments that ran counter to mainstream black opinion. "

I agree with Ivy to a point. Obama is fatigued; he's running out of steam. The longer the campaign drags on, the less glittery he appears. However, he was also playing to that particular audience. If he wasn't smart enough to realize that his comments would go beyond the confines of that room, well, he's either really off of his game or he's just incredibly arrogant.

Arrogant: Well, like attracts like which would explain KO.

ps - Typo alert - "...became public)." Yer knot gonna poynt out myne tho, rite?

a book, dog....just finishing.

Geez, we just finished prying Carlton Heston's gun from his cold dead fingers, and now it's them god fearing, gun totin', Pennsylvanians turn. You need a huge bus to get all these people under it.

The decendents of the Pennsylvania Volunteers that helped save the Union.

http://www.pa-roots.com/~pacw/infantry/143rd/143rdorg.html

Jason, don't know if you are still here...but I had a funny encounter yesterday. I was in line at a Quik Stop....the little white guy (almost skin head looking) in front of me was talking to a big black guy right behind me. The white kid was doing an almost Saturday Night Live "black" thing, "Yo! Bro! Ax me 'bout mayyyh new rap." He had all the hand and body moves.

The second black guy standing in line was looking at the white kid like he was an alien.

When the white kid left, the second black guy made a remark about the way the kid talked, and so I said "Yeah, what's up with that?"

The first guy said, "He talks like that all day long. I work with him."

Second guy: "Augggh."

Me: "Sounds like he's lookin' to be a brother."

First guy, almost falling down laughing: "REAL bad! He's wants it REAL bad. You ain't got any idea how many of those littler jive ass dudes there are running around! We laugh at him every day and he still don't get it."

Pats, Travis told Maher that he thought LBJ had MLK killed and that MLK's message was no different than Wright's. His excuse now is as funny as Rhodes who blames Air America wanting to break her contract as the real reason she was fired.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/09/jon-stewart-awards-obama_n_95875.html

Even Stewart is under attack for blasting Obama and I can only hope SNL keeps it up. Maybe a sketch about Obama getting a GI Joe as a child and that being his military experiance.

In any case, I'm hardly sad to see Travis get the boot no matter if it was related not to LBJ, but rather keeping the race alive.

Obama's message is running out of steam. He still makes the same blunders like not having an answer to the drivers license question or saying he would call first responded if we are attacked. There is a long list that Media was soft on.

Also please note that Obama better come up with a better excuse on Ayers. Saying they met because their children were in the same school is lame. In 1995, the Obamas had no children.

Dog,

If you're still around, I commented on your "Truth as its own defense" posting on the prior thread, but after Craig's new one was posted. Nothing earth-shaking, but I wanted you to know it's there.

Importing EdVB and burrito posts, since they were both on topic and illuminating. (PS: did not do this with link because both are short and linking takes you out of this thread to yesterday's.)

Ed's:

Dog,

I agree that truth is its own defense, and as soon as I read that in your post, I thought about President Clinton saying that Jesse Jackson had been victorious in South Carolina.

That was an historical fact that became spun into racism, probably by Obama supporters with the help of the media. Senator Obama's statement is more opinion than fact, but there are certainly voters, as Dexter indicated, who easily prove the Senator's point.

The risk in making the statement is the likelihood that it might convince more undecided voters to oppose him than to vote for him. My guess is the statement had no effect on his or Hillary's supporters. It also had no effect on the people he's talking about.

Posted by: EdVB | April 12, 2008 10:37 AM

burrito's post, which was last of previous thread:

“It's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

Obama's words speak to what Obama believes - not to the people he is stereotyping.

Maybe these proud people aren't so impressed with a rich arrogant Harvard lawyer politician -type telling them how they feel....and how they "bitterly cling" to their faith and weapons as a crutch.

Gray and cloudy here - have a great day everyone. I am going to the range for some target practice after church.

: )

Posted by: unlikely_burrito | April 12, 2008 10:58 AM

Better to grab at a straw than to snort cocaine through one.

t appears that most people who oppose Obama oppose him because they are afraid of change. This is a documented psychological disorder. (My advice: if you oppose Obama, unless you're really, really rich or a Washington insider, get counselling.)

For the first time in two generations, we have a presidential candidate who does understand & care about people's frustrations with their government(s), who really does understand what's wrong with our federal government (including the incestuous press, Craig) & who really does have a shot at changing the system for the better.

When you see the abject self-serving density of Obama's opponents Clinton & McCain, you see the real faces of bitterness (okay, even if they're rich, hypocritical faces) & panderers to bitterness.

People who love this country want a president who will lift us up. Neither Clinton nor McCain even has the desire to do that, but less the ability. A vote for either of those two is downright unpatriotic.

Craig...typo...second paragraph, third line...double 'they'.

typo....* I meant to say..."will assume that all the Hillary Supporters here at Craig's Trail Mix

Has the1981 Pakistan trip been mentioned in Obama's prior books, speeches or comments? If so, was there any reaction by MSM?

"would you rather have a president who observes the disconnect voters feel from Washington"

That's not what he was doing...he was calling them bitter, gun loving, bigots to explain why they don't support his candidacy...

Just because he's spinning it around the other way today in public doesn't mean he didn't say those things in private.

Taken together with Rev. Wright and the "typical white people" comment...I think it's time to stop saying these are blunders and ADMIT that these all point to how Barrack Obama really feels about whitey. "If I can't guilt you into voting for me like I can the rich white folk...then you are bitter, gun loving, bigots."

"appears that most people who oppose Obama oppose him because they are afraid of change. This is a documented psychological disorder. (My advice: if you oppose Obama, unless you're really, really rich or a Washington insider, get counselling.) "

This is either a joke or pathetic. Either way, it's funny as hell.

(Note to poster: if you are going to psychoanalyze, please remember that "counseling" only contains one "l". Damages your cred.)

Marie Burns: welcome and stick around. There is a bitter crew on this blog, and it ain't the Obama supporters!

Hey Max...on the I lived in Indonesia for 4 years story...besides the fact that he was 6 when he moved there . . . how about the fact that is was 40 years ago.

Had to laugh at that one..."I have foreign policy experience because I lived in Indonesia 40 years ago when I was 6."

Perhaps his appearance in San Francisco was him trying his new stand up routine rather than a speech. Maybe we have it all wrong - because most of what he said that night is a complete JOKE.

bowmanc,

Re: Your 10:57 post

I tried to open the link, but access was forbidden. Do I have to send them a copy of my DD214?

"There is a bitter crew on this blog, and it ain't the Obama supporters!"

This tone is exactly why so many Hillary Clinton supporters are sick to death of the way Barack Obama has "brought this country together." He has been divisive all along, attempting to destroy the Democratic party by developing a constituency of indies and Republicans that look adoringly at Mr. Tranformative Ronald Reagan and hate the Clinton presidency. It appears he has created a cult following to mimic him.

"Had to laugh at that one..."I have foreign policy experience because I lived in Indonesia 40 years ago when I was 6."

Wendy -- I lived in Germany for two years in my 20s -- maybe I could get an ambassadorship! Oh, but I like Spain so much better, and I did spend a week in Barcelona....

I don't believe the Pakistan trip was mentioned which leads to some strange questions. We do know Obama's passport files were recently looked at and I suspect Obama's spin was to prevent this from popping up later. It is curious why he went to Pakistan of all places for a college student on a break to go and that three weeks gave him foreign policy experiance. Again read the comment thread.

Obama points to his growing up as a very young boy outside America as the best experiance in establishing his foreign policy cred, yet Rez and others dismiss whatever impact Davis could have had on Obama despite the obvious link to the Soviet mantra of Yes We Can. The thread of Obama's thinking seems to run from Davis straight to Wright. When pressed, Obama betrays these inclinations, time after time giving him this rather phony air.

Wendy, you have email...don't laugh, 'cause nothing surprises me anymore....

if true, we can add really bad taste to the list...LOL

UPDATE: Obama Concedes Remarks Were Ill Chosen: MUNCIE, Ind. (AP) -- "Democrat Barack Obama on Saturday conceded that comments he made about bitter working class voters who 'cling to guns or religion' were ill chosen, as he tried to stem a burst of complaints that he is condescending."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OBAMA_CLINTON?SITE=CONGRA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Marie,

Dog's invitation to hang around was sincere. There is some unfortunate bitterness here, but I'm afraid it's not limited to one side re Clinton or Obama supporters. Heck, I'm about to take a friendly poke at you, and I'm still neutral on those candidates.

There's also a documented medical term for individuals who provide medical or psychological diagnoses of patients or groups from observing videos or analyzing blogs.

That term is "Bill Frist."

Please hang in and give your opinions. Most of the rancor here is because those on each side truly feel their candidate is the answer. Other than that broad-based defense, I'm not going to try to speak for anyone. Mr. Crawford is a generous host, and I'm hopeful that someday there will again be fun mixed with reasonable discussion on these pages.

thanks for the typo alerts, folks. all fixed. and by the way, we haven't given up on installing the edit function for comments. that is a top priority as IT searches for the right tool.

Welcome newbie Marie Burns. Stick around

Max...I responded to your e-mail earlier this a.m.

Not only were the comments "demeaning," but they will come back to haunt the Dems in the general if they are foolish enough to make him the nom. Considering that they put Kerry at the top of the last ticket instead of Edwards, it's possible.

Attacking your opposition may look bad to some voters, but to attack the voters was just tremendously stupid and/or arrogant.

"That term is "Bill Frist."

ROFL, Ed....I'll cop to doing the Frist Twist every so often.

""Guns and Religion" That would make a good album title. "

Corey --I hate a t-shirt that says:

Repent & Reload
GOP: The Official Party of the Apocalypse

EdVB - LOL. What is the correct use of the term? Fristification? To Fristiculate?

Marie - Welcome. Change can be good or bad, depending on how it effects you. If you get a tax break, it's good for you...even if the burden is put on someone else; the change seems bad to them.

I think it's kind of a reach to infer that if you don't vote for Obama, the terrorists win. Oh, that's why Obama reminds me of W so much; it's his arrogance.

Can't wait to see how the "bitter" remarks show up on SNL tonight.

Off to feed the ducks & turtles & see if I can coax that catfish to the top, again. He's gotta be 8 to 10 pounds & he has cataracts. Poor baby. I think he knows it's feeding time from all of the commotion from the turtles.

Have a good day y'all.

Maxtrue, thank you. It, indeed, is strange that such an exotic place for a college student to visit for three weeks would have been forgotten and left out of autobiographical material. Also strange why there was or is no follow-up by the MSM or opposition.

Praise the Lord and pass the ammo.

"Son don't you wade to deep, in Bitter Creek "- The Eagles

Craig, I am the most needing the spell check...LOL

Thanks for the update...

Wendy, thanks for your perspective, I replied.

So Obama this morning has a triple wammy. He is seen foolish in regard to Penn and those with "guns and religion" and he makes some absurd foreign policy credential claims promoting more questions than answers. Meanwhile, his Senate bill drowns from a complete disregard for how the Senate works.

Now if he finds a way to blame this all on Hillary with help from MSM, he'll be back spouting his high-road and "being the smartest and most intellectual" candidate running for President. by Monday. Yes He Can, God Damn it!!

I suspect that claim is based on another unflattering prespective of "we the people".

One last point: If Obama gained such foreign policy experiance in his three week stay in Pakistan sensing the vibe of the people, why were his remarks about Pakistan several months ago met with the unified condemnation of the Pakistani people, denouncing him by name? Could it be that his experiance isn't all that Obama thinks it is? And note that Japan, Australian, India, Israel are not far from Obama's first stop to visit his homeland. Instead he chose to visit Pakistan and did not write about such serious foreign policy experiance in his acclaimed books.

Blue,

I think the condition is Fristitis. I like "Fristiculate" for the verb, and can't argue with Patsi's Frist Twist label.

I tend to pontificate quite often at work (and elsewhere), and now that we have our 16th Pope Benedict, I label my efforts as Benedictions. Of course I only apply that label after the fact, when friends or others take me to task for them.

I read the CQ link to AP story by Kunnheim and Babington.

Read it yourself, folks, and then ask who is "authentic" and who is "elitist and out of touch."

I think this could help Obama a lot because there is truth underlying his remarks.

And it is high time to discuss that truth, instead of some mythology about the inherent nobility of working people left behind when the jobs leave.

Maybe one of the candidates actually was listening.

Regarding Marie's post. I am not an Obama supporter , but I am getting counseling. But , not for that reason. LOL!

Just do not let them counsel your sense of humor and perspective out of you, Corey. It is greatly appreciated.

Paid, it is strange that Obama doesn't reaaly discuss his Columbia University days either. Some believe that the activity and friends he was involved with there are better kept secret. I think Gordo has something to add to this.

Selective history is the best we can call Obama's autobiolographical endevors. BS is another view, but one voters will ultimately have to decide for themselves. Please note Obama ALWAYS alters course slightly AFTER objections break through the MSM barrier. Smarter judgment would have nipped these issue in the bud from the start. To imagine Wright and Rezko would not have become issues is the height of arrogance. At this point I would say Obama can dance better than Hillary, but it is the kind of dance that is troubling. The problems that beset Obama are of a qualitative difference than those hurting Hillary. Unfortunately MSM seems to be the one holding the score card. Let's hope Pennsylvania teaches Zogby and MSNBC another lesson.

One bit of music for the day and then I'm out. LOL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qCXug0XFOY&feature=related

"Obama was trying to explain his upcoming loss in Pennsylvania to his San Francisco donors: those pesky Pennsylvanians are just a bunch of down scale, ignorant, gun totin', religious nut racists."

Patsi - have you ever been to PA?

Anyways, Obama - didn't you learn anything from Carville. Never apologize!! (unless you lie....oops, I mean misspeak). Once you apologize - you admit you did something wrong.

(Actually - I am ok with him coming out and saying his words were ill chosen. New politics baby. Don't be afraid to admit when you are wrong....amazing that that is new.)

That is a shame about Tavis Smiley. He is one smart dude. At least he still has his show on PBS.

I totally agree some Obama supporters are over-the-top. But for some of these freaks - it is the first time in their lives they have really cared about who gets elected President - and not everyone knows how to deal with that feeling....

Warren you get the award today for posting a contradiction. I think Obama is rubbing off on you.

Obama said A

A is correct

Obama didn't learn not to do B when A is wrong

doing B is okay

Max must do C....later

Great post dude. Now we are all clear on that....

Travis a smart dude? So you agree that MLK is like Wright and that LBJ murdered MLK?

Well I guess you're as smart as Travis....

now I'm utta here....later people

I always enjoyed Tavis Smiley he has always been a class act and well worth anyone's time. Anytime I watched him I came away the better for it

--Heather

Well I went to HuPo and read the blivet on the speech. Here's the remark that really caught my attention (in a negative sort of way):

"When people tell me they've all stressed about racial discord, well, you know, try slavery for a while." (26:02)"

I not going to listen in their entirety, so I ask, is he talking about white people being stressed, or about black people?

In either case, as he's pretty much made race off-limits for the other candidates, he's placed himself as the only one who can make such pontifical pronunciations.

Now, back to his statement.

To the best of my knowledge the only people in this country who have experienced slavery emigrated here as a matter of humanitarian necessity or of choice. Either way, they left that vile institution behind.

And, I suspect that most of those here who experienced slavery directly are either European or Asian.

Perhaps I'm the only one who has reacted so viscerally to Mr Obama's remark. If so, that's my problem to reconcile which I shall try to do (in any case).

marie:

I agree that people resisting Obama are scared of change. They think one of these old Washington types is the safer choice. (And by "old" - I mean they have been in Washington and the "public eye" for a long time...).

But I think "therapy" is a bit drastic (unless they have other issues they need to work out...and judging from this blog - hah! just kidding peeps).

Anyways, the point is - they don't need counseling - they just need to listen to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtkVGClqrT4

Maxtrue:

Often...the truth is a contradiction.

(btw, get over yourself dude)

I do not have permission to repost this, but I am going to do it anyway. One of my MySpace friends (I think he is a Republican) had this to say:

"I went for a long walk in the early evening and thought about Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Of course we recently recalled his assasination and on August 28th we will observe the anniversary of his famous "I have a dream....." speech. August 28th. I kept thinking about that date.

"Last night after dinner with friends downtown overlooking the bay I went ont he internet and wanted to double check the dates of the Democrats convention--- August 25-28th! Interesting. I kept thinking that Howard Dean is NOT in such an impossible situation as I thought when you think about the duel between Hillary and Barack. I know that no democrat has ever won the White House without obtaining 60% of the african american vote and at least 40% of the white vote (I hate these terms but they lead to my point) .

Howard Dean knows that Obama must be the nominee if the Dems want to win the White House. Obama said, correctly too I think, that "I think her (Clinton) supporter's will vote for me but I am not so sure that my supporters will vote for her..." And Dean knows this is true. Dean will select the nominee and I believe I can predict who Obama will ask to be his VP. Hillary will not quit, but she will not win the nomination.

Howard Dean is working with Obama right now and I think they have already cut a deal with New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg (what a slap to Clinton) to be the VP nominee with Obama at the top of the ticket. And guess on what date the nomiee gives his acceptance speech.....August 28th....the anniversary of Dr. King's great speech........

Can you imagine Senator Obama on the 28th of August accepting his parties nomination, making references to the King speech, and running with the very popular Mayor of New York? I can. Its almost perfect I think. Unless McCain gets to Bloomberg first...which won't happen."

Thoughts?

(if my posts are a bit cranky today - blame the hangover - not the drinker. Kinda like "hate the racisim, not the racist.")

Flatus: could you put up the link to Huffington item you've mentioned (re 26:02 -- is that time on a speech excerpt?). Also, what's a blivet?

Would be interested to see any source material.

Many thanks.

There is so much on HuffPost that I find wading through it kind of difficult some times...

Thoughts, ET? I think it's so much of a stretch that it's BS.

Max,

"Obama said his growing up abroad when he was very young is his best foreign policy credentials." - Max

I think you're taking a lot of license with this one. As i recall it was about experience living AMONG people abroad as opposed to VISITING abroad.

"on the I lived in Indonesia for 4 years story...besides the fact that he was 6 when he moved there . . .Had to laugh at that one..."I have foreign policy experience because I lived in Indonesia 40 years ago when I was 6." - Wendy

Wendy/Patsi - (paraphrasing Max ) he believes at 6 a person is most impressionable and develops their lifelong political disposition.

Rez *standing atop a dead horse waving his 2X4*

And why are people so obsessed with Bloomberg. Webb would be a way better VP.

Sorry CNN...Foreign Policy is my #1 issue....

Obama's stereotyping of rural and small town Americans as gun-toting, bible-thumping, racist, uneducated folk waiting around for government to solve their problems shows a profound disrespect for rural culture in America. The 1st and 2nd amendments to the Constitution are not just something that Americans cling to when they are "bitter." The freedom to practice religion is one of the foundations of American culture. Guns represent not just self-defense but self-sufficiency in a rural environment.

Though America is only about 30% rural, the working class of small towns often come from rural roots, when families moved into town as a result of industrialization. Values of piety, freedom, hard work and self-sufficiency remain core working class values. To imply that the working class are bitter or whining because they decry irresponsible trade agreements or unfair job competition caused by illegal immigration is not only insulting to those core values, but also shows a complete ignorance of them.

EuroTom: I think it sounds plausible except I am not sure about the Bloomberg part. But an interesting observation and I hope you will share more of your friend's thinking. (Without getting said friend mad at you.)

Maybe friend was going with Bloomberg as a hopeful Republican guess?

Obama-Jim Webb is my dream ticket, although I will lose me one fine Virginia senator.

Interesting significance to August 28.

It's minutes into his speech, Dog. Here's the link:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-exclusive-audio-on_b_96333.html

A blivet is a thing that is either too simple or too complex for an easy to craft description. I've never heard it used outside of the military. Ah, when all else fails, turn to Wiki:)
http://www.google.com/search?q=blivets+site:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki+-inurl:%22User:%22+-inurl:Talk:+-inurl:%22User_talk:%22+-inurl:%22Template:%22+-inurl:%22Template_talk:%22&btnI=I%27m+Feeling+Lucky

"Though America is only about 30% rural . . . ."

Ins't that Bush's approval rating.

I know that there are people up in PA that have lost their jobs and use those guns to supplement their grocery shopping. I know many hunters that do say a prayer over the body of the animal that they have killed.

Killing a deer in the fall puts a lot of good food on the table. Being more self reliant and having the ability to fend for yourself is empowering. If there was a major disruption to the food supply chain who is more likely to be eating well? A person upcountry with a gun or hordes of people breaking into warehouses and grocery stores. Can't happen? Think about Katrina.

Don't worry dog. There will be much more progessive Senators to come. On both sides of the aisle.

If it ain't broke - don't fix it. But if it is broken...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tBHOuHolYw

I think you should ONLY be allowed to hunt if you are eating what you kill.

Killing animals for sport is rather crude....

"To IMPLY that the working class are bitter or WHINING. .

Carrie do you know Wendy? .lol

Flatus -- thanks! Will take a listen.

And I thought that might be a military term! Double thanks to you. Never heard that.

Blivet sounds like:

-- a techie's description of embedded audio link or some other internet content

-- yet another term for a rush of water

-- the young of some obscure animal or lifeform

-- a Scandinavian porn term

-- in punditry: cross between bloviating and bleeting, as with sheep, especially when you're speaking in sotto voce because you are not that sure of the accuracy of the information you are imparting (but hey, you're a pundit -- why should that stop you?) NOTE: Craig is immune to bliveting

-- a duvet cover for pets, sold in really expensive catalogs
....

gotta knock off the coffee

Off to walk the goose before it starts raining.

Carry on my friends.

*warren channels McCain*

(I can't wait for a debate between Obama and McCain. I think that will be great for our Country no matter who wins. Of course it will be better if my main man wins. And I am pretty confident given the record turn outs and the enthusiasim for "change" in this country.)

Hasta luego mi amigos...

Warren:

Two points less 28%

--Heather

Ok

My Favorite program is on NCIS! I can never get enough of that program or Mark Harmon!!!! he's easy on any woman's eyes :-))

Notice to all Yankees fans Yankees v Boston national game today on Fox :-)) 4 pm

--Heather

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1xSt7iganA

GO BOSOX!!

Careful, Heather. That's the second time you've mentioned Harmon in such, um, glowing terms!

Obama Event Coordinator: "Get Me More White People... We Need More White People"

“I didn’t know they would say, ‘We need a white person here,’ ” said attendee and senior psychology major Shayna Watson, who sat in the crowd behind Mrs. Obama. “I understood they would want a show of diversity, but to pick up people and to reseat them, I didn’t know it would be so outright.”

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/04/obama-event-coordinator-get-me-more.html

Sewer rats for sure, just like you would be in NYC. The Katrina reference was to the possibility of a major break down in the food supply chain. Just about anybody in an urban environment could end up in desperate circumstances in a pretty short period of time.

Except the Mormons, I am pretty sure their doctrine has them keep a years supply of food on hand. Let all head over to Mitt Romneys if a disaster strikes.

Kill it and eat it, thats what I say.

Warren, how do you feel about having low paid people kill and process animals so you can eat them? Or are you a strict vegan?

Oops, Corey, I meant to say "I have a t-shirt" -- not "I hate a t-shirt" -- it's my favorite shirt....

Looks like some here think it is a cardinal sin to criticize Saint Barack...The public is picking up on the sanctimony and sense of entitlement by the Obamas. Time is our best friend.

I find it quite ironic that those who vilify Senator and President Clinton on a daily basis, can't handle incoming criticisms which are an inherent part of a political campaign.

Here's wikipedia on Flatus's useage of "blivet" (edited for brevity):

US Army slang from \WWII: blivet defined as "ten pounds of manure in a five pound bag" (a proverbial description of anything egregiously ugly or unmanageable); applied to an unmanageable situation, a crucial but substandard or damaged tool, or a self-important person.

From Vietnam War, a blivet was a heavy rubber bladder in which aviation fuel or POL (petroleum, oil, and lubricants) was transported. Term in use today in US Afghanistan operations.

Also anything which, once unpacked, could not be replaced in its container.

In various US Air Force communities (e.g. Strategic Air Command), blivet may have referred to what are euphemistically called "Special Weapons" whose presence are officially neither confirmed nor denied. Usage apparently derived from the original cavalry definition.

In some areas of the U.S., it refers to a juvenile prank, clearly connected with the original military usage: a sack full of excrement is ignited on the victim's porch, while the pranksters ring the doorbell and run. The victim attempts to put the flames out by stamping on the bag. This may also be related to the term's claimed use as military slang for a land mine, not well-documented.

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Check out that last paragraph. Blivet is so much more genteel than calling it a flaming sack of ...

another usage, per Wiki:

"Blivet" is often used in the Southern United States as a self-descriptor when one has failed to adhere to a healthy and reasonably nutritious eating plan (e.g., "I feel like a stuffed blivet.").

The origin of this usage cannot be determined, but dates back certainly to the 1940s in the northern Alabama hill country. [citation needed]

http://gcnlive.com/ListenLive/realplayerfreeNtwk1.ram

If Obama assessment of certain voters is not correct, how did GW Bush win 2 prez elections? The only thing Obama missed in his assessment is "some" stupid voters are not just in small towns, they are everywhere!

OD......How many possum are in Oregon? None in Washington.....that is interesting....Blueberrys and hazelnuts and deer. ;0)

Have a great day!

Just looked and there really ARE possums in Oregon....learn knew things everyday!

That's "NEW" toy...although it really knew....

Rez, keep spinning

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/10/us/politics/10obama.html?bl&ex=1208059200&en=b73a8a7a2664d856&ei=5087%0A

NYT and Obama spin it too and say that 6 -10 were formative years and young adulthood...LOL

And then that VERY SIGNIFICANT three week stay in India/Pakistan that was SO SIGNIFICANT Obama never mentioned it in his two books.

Davis on the other hand was a political mentor reading poetry and befriending his communist dad and Barry's family. YOU decide that this could hardly have had any real impact on Obama though Davis and Wright share some obvious features and rhetoric. YES THEY DO GOD DAMN IT...LOL

And McCain didn't spend some hard time abroad? What utter bullshit. And what exactly was the Kenyan reaction to Obama's dad? I mean really, Barak even equates his WATCHING McCain in Iraq as somehow a substitute for HIS being there. Unlike JFK, Obama decided not to go to Europe and speak directly with European leaders and military experts. Instead, he found cheaper quarters in Karachi. Now you know Obama selected what things to leave out inhis bio and what mentors to put in. Your dismissing them defies even Obama's strange logic, or should I say "phoniness".

Obama also blasts Bush on proliferation but ignores the difficult and successful job Bush did securing the nuclear materilas in Kaz. Yes or No? And the Republican administrations of Reagan and Bush 1 continued by Clinton did a decent job as well spending a great deal of money.

Funny that Obama says nothing about the Syrian/NK/ Iranian project that Assad was/is working on. He says nothing about Bhutto's Party now reneging on their promise to let the CIA interview AQ Khan while lawyers beat protestors. Barak talks to Newsweek about how our failure to bring prosperity to poor Pakistanis is to blame for their rejecting helping us against getting OBL which he first realized when visiting Pakistan at 19...LOL

So you keep spinning it Rez. Defend not sanctioning Quds as they arm Sadr and meet with FARC. Defend a "no comment" about Zbig's trip to Assad where he used the photo op to hail "shared interests". Ignore Chavez who helps FARC ( a group recently caught with uranium and planning to use dirty bombs) while trashing Columbia trade agreement because of anti-union violence (not why Pelosi is mad at China). Yes, let's secure those nuclear stock piles and ignore regimes creating new ones. And who can lead us with his experiance? Obama can. He visited Pakistan when he was 19 and lived abroad between 6 and 10. That is certainly the Wright Stuff.

Forgive my sarcasm, but it is rather painful watching Democrats find excuses after years of blasting Bush's. The idea was for reason to return and for the US to reform US policy, not to send us in a new faith-led direction. Obama has struck so many diffrent lines of reasoning, it has diluted his whole policy picture. Added to that is the continual problems that shake the very foundation of what he wants us to BELEIVE is his better judgment.

Perhaps 2008 is really Obama's formative years and we should disregard the rest. Unfortunately, 2009 will put us all to the test and frankly, I wouldn't bet on Obama's great judgment or the inclinations he has formed through a whole slew of impressions. Smug, never really apologizing, arrogant and clumsy. Haven't we had enough of that for eight years Rez?

Its so long, I just give up....falling asleep

Just let Senator O keep talking and talking and talking..

A gorgeous day in Oregon..sunny mid-70's..Hillary's people are moving into their Salem office today..It is in the same block as Senator O's office..should be fun I think.

Max, despite what the loyal opposition has to say, I thought your post was pretty good. And, I would add pompous to your list of adjectives.

OD,
Have an exciting protest and campaign. its always fun when you believe in your cause!

OD, if you go by there often, let us know where the two campaigns go for their meals.

Word to the wise:

If you visit NYC - do it in the Spring. When this city wakes up after the long Winter - it is at its most alive.

(Plus, if you come at Christmas - it is crowded and cold. And NYC covers up some of its best assets - e.g., the ladies wear pants and big coats and of course no baseball.)

Thanks for the tip Heather. (I was out walking Lucy with my cap on : )

Let's go Yankees!!

"Haven't we had enough of that for eight years Rez?"

Max, surely you're not suggesting Obama will be another Bush! And please don't suggest that I would support another eight years like the last. In fact, like others, I'm lost on what you are suggesting.

Truly, I don't get into you foreign affairs "debate/rants" anyway, so leave me out of it. About all i've commented on is to strongly disagree with your notion of how much of Obama's or anyone's 6-10 years has to do formulating one's mature political stance, despite what Obama may or not have said about it.

Politicians—They're Just Like Us!
Michelle Obama and Bill Clinton campaign for their spouses in US Weekly.

By Morgan Smith
Posted Friday, April 11, 2008, at 2:48 PM ET

In separate pieces, Michelle Obama and Bill Clinton argue for their spouses. Obama says she initially opposed her husband's candidacy. "But when I took off my selfish hat, and I put on my mom hat and my professional hat and my woman hat and my citizen hat, I realized that if I weren't married to him I'd want a Barack Obama presidency right now—not in four or eight years." …

Clinton details his wife's public service and devotion to their family, noting, "Even in the White House, being mom always came first, until Chelsea went off to college. Then she had to worry about me! I was so lonesome for our daughter, she got me a dog named Buddy. She always seems to know the answer to every problem!" …

In case you were wondering the latest on celebrity endorsements, Obama counts Ben Affleck, Amy Smart, Kate Walsh, and Pete Wentz (who thinks the Illinois senator is "awesome") on his side. Portia de Rossi, Kelly Rutherford, Cheryl Hines, and Rose McGowan all support Hillary.

Sheila..There is so much excitement and interest out here.

People are pleased that our primary will have some meaning.

I took bottled water, Tillamook Cheese, and other things to the Portland headquarters last night. I then did some telephoning..That is someting I don't enjoy but people were very nice..lots of volunteers..lots of young people..I like seeing young people get involved whatever the campaign.

Just saw the Hill on CNN claiming she is the ONLY candidate that will re-negotiate NAFTA.

Jeez - this woman just can't help herself.

(I realize there is a difference between lying and hyperbole....but still.)

And if you Clintonites think you have a "gotcha moment" because Obama said the "bitter" truth....you got another thing coming.

(Don't overplay your hand Wolf-boy. I have already heard that Clinton was "taken aback" by these "demeaning" comments. Sheesh. Give me a break. And of course "Mrs. $109 M" is calling someone an elitist. Talk about the pot calling the black man a kettle! Hah!)

Chelsea appears @ Oregon State University in Corvallis today at the Memorial Union Building..Beautiful building..perfect place for a gathering..

What is Rose McGowan thinking?!

(Someone get me her number ; )

The sun is shining and the tide is turning. No degree of denial will change that..

Keep talking Senator O. You are turning into a very positive feature of the Clinton campaign.

I

Senator Obama is an elitist. Americans do not need or deserve a president that will look down on them. While it is true that many americans are frustrated due to the economy, it is not true that they turn to their faith, guns, anti-illegal sentiment, anti-trade sentiment because of bitterness. These folks turn to religion because of strong faith and the comfort it brings to them. These folks go hunting because it is a part of their culture. These folks are concerned with illegal immigration because they know some form of reform is needed. These folks are concerned with bringing jobs back to their state because they are hardworking, strong, courageous, and resilient survivors. They don't need and I'm sure do not appreciate being looked down on by an elitist junior senator running for president.

As I type, I am sue Senator Obama is spinning this blunder of a story. Many will not buy it, I don't. Senator Obama should remember that come November he cannot win without americans like me that support Senator Clinton. Perhaps, he has some elitist remark about this too.

http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=1.0.2058939507

Calm down Ahmadinejad, Obama wants to talk to you.

One more thing about Hillary sign holding..

If someone gives you thumbs down, etc. donate 50 cents to campaign..

Offensive yelling or profanity .donate $1..

Not much of this lately..Much much more positive response...

Thanks to blueINdallas | April 12, 2008 10:51 AM...long ago and far away already...

After seeing MSNBC's replays of Obama's comments #2, it's clear he's forging ahead "as if..." as if he meant to say what he said even if the words themselves were ill-chosen.

My BFF since F lives in the "Alabama part" of Pennsylvania (which James Carville says lies between Philadelphia and Pittsburgh.) This year, she finally gave up pretending to be Independent and registered Republican. NoBama for her...and NoHillary.

Didn't New York have a primary? What did you do then?

"As most of you already know, Barack Obama has gotten himself into another controversy regarding his apparent arrogance and apathy towards regular Americans. In a private and well shrouded fundraiser amongst the rich elite of San Francisco, and in the mansion of Pakistan native and ardently Muslim millionaire Sohaib Abbasi (CEO of Informatica)...

What makes Obama’s speech important, is that it helps us identify if his character and values fluctuate depending on his audience. The fact that these fundraisers, and the now controversial comments he made in them, were supposed to remain muted and partially unknown, underscores the nebulous and dishonest nature of his whole campaign. This is also demonstrated by the reality that his whole organization clearly understood that any mainstream reporting done about these events would tarnish Obama’s reputation of being a “change” and “new politics” agent, which explains why none of these events allowed any Media presence (and which also dramatizes why said speech had to be deviously recorded without his knowledge).

But his comments are also very damaging in another way. They underscore the Rev. Wright controversy, his wife’s comments about America being a mean Nation, and it digs deep into NAFTA GATE and IRAQ GATE, were his campaign has been proven to sell one policy promise to the American people and then send surrogates behind their back (and around the world) to spread the idea that his speeches are ONLY rhetorical. Therefore, these comments, and their context, cut into the heart of Barack Obama’s political pretensions and message."

http://savagepolitics.com/

smartvoter:

"These folks turn to religion because of strong faith and the comfort it brings to them."

Exactly. "Comfort" from their very real worries. Worries about trying to make ends meet, pay for their kids college or about when they will return from Iraq.

"These folks go hunting because it is a part of their culture."

Just because something is part of your "culture" does not automatically make it right.

"These folks are concerned with illegal immigration because they know some form of reform is needed."

And some are also filled with the hate speech that Mr. Lou Dobbs spews into that issue. Making it a politically-charged third rail issue that no one wants to touch.

"These folks are concerned with bringing jobs back to their state because they are hardworking, strong, courageous, and resilient survivors."

And Obama gets that too. You would not have any doubts if you listened to ALL that he has to say (instead of just sound bytes followed by a Clinton spin.)

Obama/Webb 08 - "a real change"

Man, the Bosox do have good pitching.

Have a nice day..Think I'll go out and enjoy the weather.

Memo to the "Greatest Generation" from the "Next Generation":

Someone said that if the Clinton administration was the "bridge to the twenty-first century" that an Obama administration would be a realization of the "twenty-first century."

We are not the "Baby Boomers." Now don't get us wrong. We greatly admire the Boomers and respect the stuggles they faced and the challenges they overcame.

And progress has been made. But now politicians have become polarized and entrenched. Divided into two camps - the Democrats and the Republicans. Fighting with each other over minor details in order to score political points instead of doing the people's business.

It is time for a change.

Obama/Webb 08

(And don't worry Boomers - we don't plan to simply cast you aside. In fact, we want your help and your ideas.)

high profile Obama supporter...another one of his Rev. buddies puts the smack down on Jews. Yet another Obama supporter spewing hate towards the Jewish community.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYf_xSrRSPE

Maxtrue:

"One could easily argue that 6 - 45 were Obama's formative years and the record does not show such a dignified collection of people, -certainly not reflecting the mainstream, centrist, uniting, moderate image Obama is trying to sell now."

Kinda like that time Jesus spent in the dessert that we don't know too much about...

*KA-POW!! warren's credibility with Patsi is destroyed by a lightening bold from above*

OD wrote, "One more thing about Hillary sign holding..

If someone gives you thumbs down, etc. donate 50 cents to campaign..

Offensive yelling or profanity .donate $1..

Not much of this lately..Much much more positive response..."

OD, if you think about it, give me your weekly contributions and, if I can afford it, I'll match them.

Doh!! I meant "desert"

Good idea Flatus.

(We can all to the same for the Obama campaign ; )

We will have to continue this through the general election.

(Especially when broke-ass McCain starts shouting that Obama is breaking his "pledge to the American people" to take public financing for the general. This so-called pledge is of couse an answer to a question on some form filled out awhile back that said Obama would take public financing if he could reach an acceptable agreement with the GOP candidate. No such agreement has been reached Mr. McCain. And if it has - please show it to me.)

Damn you Manny!!!

(that guy is good)

Wendy! at 4:40 has just rolled out what I think will be a general election meme against Obama -- the "he does not like the Jews" and "he is not a friend of Israel" and "his supporters don't like the Jews either."

Where is this coming from? Am sure you have all noted it in GORDO's and MaxTrue's posts (you can pick up the general theme even if you do not read G &M's lonnnng posts); now Wendy! too parrots it.

Who is behind so much of this feverish "Obama doesn't like Jews" business?

I would guess this is a "saved for the general but have to roll it out now" meme.

Wendy! actually said "hate towards the Jewish community" and associated it with Obama, by implication. Hello?

Who is behind this and why?

Warren,
Barack Obama is a baby boomer. Every Obama supporter I know is a baby boomer (possibly because I'm a boomer).

Get a clue. We boomers trust our kids. Like our parents trusted us.

I never said Obama didn't like Jews

I insinuated that his friends don't

Wright, Meeks, McPeak and now Lee have all been known to say not just anti-Israel statements but clearly anti-Jewish statements.

Now...what that says about obama...I don't know. He may be fine with Israel and the Jewish community...but when sooooo many of his friends and supporters are not...it does give one pause.

Warren gloss over the real divisons at your our ignorance.

The battle here is between New Democrats representing the progression from the greatest generation and the NeoLiberals who go back to the anti-war movement during world war 2. The former is dedicated to preserving the sacrife made in establishing a Western hegemony to guard against threats to Liberal Democray shared now by a greater number of nations than ever before. The Later, want to re-interpret the Constitution into a more socialist form extending cutural and political relativity across the globe. Underlying the NeoLiberals, whether you want to believe it or not, is the idea of the re-distribution of wealth and the establishment of global political correctness under the selective interpetation of human rights. That that these notions oppose what our Founding Fathers advocated is of little concern to such progressive minsets. They prefer idealistic notions of order over the empirical reality of genetic altruism underlying cooperation through the dynamic of punishment and mutual benefit. The UN can no more stop illegal arms transfers as it can thwart genocide in Darfur. Your implied suggestion is more like imagining Kirk suddenly waking up on the set of the Next generation where conflict and destruction has been transformed by techological prosperity and the lesson we have yet to learn as a species (that is by the activity of a screewriter).

The path to the NeoLiberal fantasies will be a long and hard road, so no, it is just silly to divide all Republicans into one camp and all Democrats into another. That is your magic show, not reality. Ahmadinejad is no more likely to listen to Obama than to Bush. He has actually states so. What you are really advocating is your sales pitch for all Democrats to back Obama and to pretend the policies he advocates will not undo what the greatest generation sacrifed their lives for. The blood of Americans and others were spilled at Normandy. Talking to Hitler was not an option. The Wall did not fall because we talked to Stalin, nor did talking to Arabs protect Israel during decades of bloody warfare. You are kidding yourself about global realities and you are kidding yourself that the America is divided as you suggest. We have a long way to go before we learn the art of conflict resolution without sacrificing principle or future security.

So to use your lown line, get over yourself and consider the smuggness by which you address the sacriice and ideology of the greatest generation and YOUR claim to be an extention of their effort. You offer only a slogan with little meat based on little evidence that the change promised will be the change delivered.

There is a reason why Presidents Republican and Democratic have taken the centrist line and understood the tension between Individual Rights and Democracy lies at the success and heart of our American experiment. The COnstitution doesn't change through coup or partisanship, nor does the self-interest that have guided us to our present prosperity and freedom.

Just some thoughts Warren, don't let them bother you too much....

Max,

On a final note as to Obama's childhood and adolescence years. If he said Davis was an "important " mentor or similar language then thats fine with me. But you saying that is a big difference Each of know who and what were life modeling or changing people and events in our lives. I don't know for certain about anyone else. I still stand by it that any one individual having a great impact on a 6-10 year old is . suspect. i was there when RFK did visited our tribe in the early 60's and it was extremely memorable, but probably my mother is the biggest reason i'm a YDD today.

I believe he does recognize Wright as someone important for him. Fine with me. I'm not buying all of Wright's statements, but obama is choosing what he wants to accept and that's also ok with me. As an American Indian, some of the America's policy towards us hasn't been something I've been proud of as a citizen, so I think i'm a little more tolerant of Wright's comments than most. That's really neither here nor there.

All your speculation and sleuthing about Rezko, Auchi, Ayers is also unimportant to me until we know the facts. I believe Fitzgerald or some court is digging into it. You and Gordo bringing them up over and over is not going to affect me in the least.

I'll do some reading up on my world history and current affairs so I can be more conversant .OK i must of skipped class that week.

dog hussein dog -----------------------

"Who is behind so much of this feverish "Obama doesn't like Jews" business?"

It's not just about Jews - there is more - connect the "dots". How much do Obama supporters need to hear, see and read to understand this? Please try to stop spinning and take an objective look at Obama. Just examine his history and friends. The Repubs can hardly wait to get their teeth and claws into him. There are so many ways to attack Obama. Some things most of you have not heard about - yet!

Like everyone else I have seen the tapes of the anti-American, anti-semitic, anti-white rhetoric of Obama's former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, and to some of us here maxtrue's posts are noteworthy and raise questions about BO's associations.

toast

So the spin is, I could have said it better. No, pal, words matter. You said what you thought and people clearly understand. I actually think the reference to religion is interesting. Do those unemployed, gun crazed zelots use it as a crutch to hold up their bitterness, or is it from the bitter wine in the chalis at communion, possibly " trampled out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored"

I would think that the junk that pastor Wright was preaching was bitter in the extreme.

Thanks Max.

(and I won't let them bother me too much...)

Tell you how out of touch Obama is, in his latest speech he said IF I offended anyone. He just does not get it. IF IF IF IF. He does not even get it that he DID offend people. I live in Ohio in a small town, and I am offended. My grandparents were coal miners in PA and my other relatives lived there also. I never saw them depressed or clinging to religion.This man needs to drop out of the race.
If he gets the nomination and I am sure he will not. This country is in big trouble and I, for one, will vote for McCain.
Go HILLARY!!!

"gun crazed zelots"

Words do matter and I don't think those were his!

Bowman sign up with Gordo and Max, they're always on for some recruits.

"This country is in big trouble and I, for one, will vote for McCain."

Go for it carol, since you "get it"!

Rez, Bow, Max, War(ren)
You guys are terrific! Like Jedi clashing and flashing their varying swords of truth in the darkness.

Rez,

Yes sir, those words were mine, translating his message of hope. Here is the problem for Obama, the words I used are what people in the population that he was talking about will hear. They understand that this was a put down. They have heard it before, hillbilly, hick, white trash, gun nut.

And even worse, they probably shop at Walmart. You can buy a bible and a gun at the same store. Awesome!

Hey Bow,

Glad you're aboard to help translate things for us uppity folks.

Bowmanc,

just thought you would like to know that Zelot is spelled Zealot.....I may be guilty of the same thing, but I at least like to help. ;0)

If you didn't read this post by, Carrie Asheville NC,
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/04/obamas-bitter-voter-analysis.html#comment-66230

then you missed the damage that Obama did to himself. Because Carrie post expresses just how it is playing with the rural, suburban and exurban independents in swing states. They are the independents that count unlike most of the "independents" in here.
So do you have a good counter argument that will fly and that isn't just as insulting to those voters?

Jack

Uppity? everyone is getting snippy, but what else is new?

"Kinda like that time Jesus spent in the dessert that we don't know too much about..."

ROFL -- Warren, glad you cleared that up. I envisioned a slice of your new Our Lord of the Holy Cheesecake.

Rez, I get your point as an American Indian. Didn't know that. There is much however, we do know about the association between Ayers, Khalidi, Rezko, Wright, Meeks, Davis -not that we know the whole truth. It is just the similarity of these obvious Leftist types and that must logically speak to Obama inclinations.

I don't have any doubts about Obama not
hating Jews. That is silly. Obama is not a terrorist-lover either. I have NEVER approached that position. I just think Leftist inclinations are not good at the moment and that Hillary has no such inclinations in the foreign policy area. Obama hangs with people who are emabrrassing and Leftist. Rezko was far more key than the Clinton backers. You may find my posts just unimportant nuances, but they will strike a note in the general. Reagan succeded because his patriotism and principle were fairly strong despite some screw ups. I am not an avid Reagan fan. But the stick we must use now to contain threats and reformulate our coalition doesn't come from a weak position. I think Obama is weak. His distancing from associations is weak. His comment today is weak. His racial play is weak. His strength is marketing aided by the MSM. That is hardly the best card for the US to play.

I do understand that some of the attacks are over the top. I just think Obama is phony and offers little hope that the change he promises will happen or even that it will be good change. And why would the central mentor be Wright? I can think of Indian Chiefs with a better rap. Obama is like Custer, Rez.

Do look into the foreign policy differences. If we screw up our position more, we will really have a tough climb back. You know what happens when you fail to understand the enemy. You end up on a reservation, yes?

And remember, Custer went down because Indians bought repeating rifles and the US government was too arrogant to field a weapon they didn't own the rights to. They also use arrows to fire over hills blockin the line of sight of Custer's men. Cheap weapons can still be more effective at times. Aq and others are no fools. So arrogance can come from the Left and Right and produce the same effect.

Max:

The decrease in America's status as the hegemont is not only due the bone-headed Foreign and Economic Policies of George W. Bush. It is also in part due to the rise of other super powers. And that is something that is beyond our control. (And this inevtiable rise of other nations that decreases the gap between us and them in terms of social conditions, defense, etc. - is not necessarily contrary to US interests.)

ROFL -- Warren, glad you cleared that up. I envisioned a slice of your new Our Lord of the Holy Cheesecake.

Posted by: Patsi | April 12, 2008 6:21 PM

A friend of mine sent me an online card that says "Jesus watches you masturbate".

I don't know, but if you believe the notion that God is everywhere and always with you, doesn't that sort of create an ewwww factor when doing the "horizontal love connection"?

Just thought I'd try to make the convo more profound than it's been lately...
inspired also by Warren and Patsi's Jesus posts :)

Patsi

I thought he left out a word. aisles

"Kinda like that time Jesus spent in the dessert aisles that we don't know too much about..."

Jack

Max:

Plus stepping out of the role as the sole hegemont is not such a bad thing.

Even though everyone tries to accuse America of being arrogant and messing in everyone's business. It is also true that things don't get done in this world without American money and manpower. (So every problem or crisis in the world requires our attention - even if we had nothing to do with creating that problem.)

(And I am including the ladies in our "manpower".)

Max...just sent you e-mail - want to get your take on something...

Warren--"hegemont"? is that the nadir of hegemonism?

Thanks for the spell check. My 8th grade teacher didn't like my spelling either.

But the one that really bothered me was my adjunct professor of Sociology in college that didn't like my politics.

Rez, where did you get the uppity from? I don't recall that in any of my posts. Whatever that is. I know what a Yuppie is, and they are not well respected by the bible thumping, gun loving, ZEALOTS bitterly cashing their unemployment checks.

LOL Glad I could add to the conversation.

"Since race is not working so well, I believe they have switched gears and are going about this from a class divide now.."

That's just silly, Rez. Obama's campaign injected race in this...uh, race....when he realised he had to win SC big. And he's the one who was dumb enough to slam small town America to a bunch of donors in SF. If Warren was insulted by me using the term "the great unwashed" -- how you think the folks in fly over country like being called ignorant rednecks?

I think it's interesting to remember that Obama's campaign cancelled his tv appearances before NH. I heard one campaign person say that they didn't want him making any misteps/mistakes. AND, they keep him away from the press. There's a reason for this. And it's the same reason his "people" have been drum beating Hillary to drop out quick. They know he may let some things slip.....

Spelldog here: it's hegemon. Have never seen it with a T on the end. (But maybe they do spell it that way somewhere...)

From Wikipedia: In International Relations, a hegemon may be defined as a state or power that can dictate the policies of all other powers in its vicinity, or that is able to defeat any other power or combination of powers that it might be at war with.

Examples of (potentially) hegemonic states in history are the United States, the British Empire, France during the era of Louis XIV and under Napoleon, and the united Germany that has existed from 1871 to 1945 and from 1990 onwards.

(Odd that they don't include the former USSR; it could be considered a hegemon too, couldn't it? And China is a rising hegemon, I would think...)

Bow,
If you're suggesting someone is putting down someone for any reason, aren't you implying they think they're better than them. "uppity" is a good expression of that is my book.

Sheila! You've discovered how to spell check?

Warren--"hegemont"? is that the nadir of hegemonism?

Posted by: Flatus | April 12, 2008 6:34 PM

No...An English manor in a Jane Austin book.... ;0)

" "uppity" is a good expression of that is my book. "

Rez resorts to racial code.....

Maxtrue:

"Ahmadinejad is no more likely to listen to Obama than to Bush."

Actually this is incorrect. And not because of any "jedi mind tricks" or psychological mumbo jumbo. Actually it has nothing to do with Obama really.

It is about process. And it is based on the simple fact that someone is more likely to listen to someone who takes the time to meet with them and lay out a detailed case as to what Iran SHOULD do - as opposed to barking out xenophobic threats across the airwaves. People don't take kindly to that, And it often makes countries take actions based on spite instead of reason.

Rez, interesting comment... Isn't the same true about your previous criticisms of Hillary? Doesn't that make u "uppity"?

Good afternoon folks. I'm back from making every Obama supporter in Pierce County Washington dislike me a WHOLE LOT. Of course the high fives from the Hillary supporters took away some of the sting as we adjourned from the convention without passing the resolutions that would have tried to give the Washington SDs to Obama whether they wanted to or not.

Hegemony:

http://dflorig.com/Hegemony.htm

(that was the quickest I could find - and I am sure I am dead with Maxtrue since there is a Marx quote in there ; )

"... Clinton campaign fueled the controversy in every place and every way it could, hoping charges that Obama is elitist and arrogant will resonate with the swing voters the candidates are vying for not only in Pennsylvania, but in upcoming primaries in Indiana and North Carolina as well.

They handed out "I'm not bitter" stickers in North Carolina, and held a conference call of Pennsylvania mayors to denounce the Illinois senator. In Indiana, Clinton did the work herself, telling plant workers in Indianapolis that Obama's comments were "elitist and out of touch.

At a campaign rally in Wilson, N.C., former state Democratic Party chairman and current Clinton adviser Tom Hendrickson said rural voters don't need "liberal elites" telling them what to believe."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OBAMA_CLINTON?SITE=SCCHA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Well Warren, I do believe thats the Most Pleasant read on Hegemony that I have ever gandered at. Very nice indeed!

Jamie, sounds as if it couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch. Well done!

"adjourned from the convention without passing the resolutions that would have tried to give the Washington SDs to Obama whether they wanted to or not."

Thank goodness...is this still on the table or is it dead now?

LOL Patsi
Offer me a better word then

Jamie,
Don't worry we pass one out of our convention next Sat.

please be specific ET

Rezdog...I think the word that everyone is using regarding Obama's speech is "condescending."

On the football field of meaning, that word is a whole hundred yards away from "uppity." Not even close. And BowC didn't use the word either.

"Uppity" is a racist/bigot term which implies that the object of criticism is somehow intrinsically less worthy than the rest, and is behaving "above his station in life." Usually, someone capable of characterizing someone in that way would be considered not only racist, but condescending. Hence, what Obama is being criticized for is being the exact opposite of uppity.

Evenin' Massa B. I'm just hangin' 'round the trailer park eating fried balogna sandwiches & listenin' to the dueling banjos from Deliverance.

US troops suffer worst week this year

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080412/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

That headline is tough to fit into any definition of "success"...

McCain is toast in the general election.

(We just need to make sure Bush does not do anything in his remaining months to shift the focus from Iraq and the Economy.)

Patsi,
We've been over the '"who started race issue first" many times. I'll just agree to diagree.

I believe this "bitter comment" is just a gotcha moment exaggerated as a campaign ploy. Both sides do it. I also think he gets a clarification remark rebuttal.
This all seems to be a dog whistle thing where some hear it, some don't , some what to hear and some don't. If her campaign strategy is to bank on Obama gaffes, then that's weak in my opinion.

ET...that piece absolutely nailed Chris Matthews to the wall didn't it? God, any normal person would blow his or her brains out in utter humiliation after being publicly gutted and mounted with such precision.

But with Chris, god love him, it'll probably only feed his ego.

He is Human Ego, taken to its logical extreme. So I guess in that sense, we all have something in common with him, in kind if not in degree.

I think i'll put up my Jedi sword and go out to the Casino for supper.
Hasta luego

Wendy,

It is dead for Pierce County. Now the Obama folks could try the same five resolutions at all the other country conventions, and unless the Clinton delegates can stop them, it goes up to the state. It's going to be a fight all the way.

Given that one of the favorite weapons is the intimidation factor, this movement to neutralize the SDs in all the caucus states while not interfering with the SDs that have gone to Obama in Clinton states is a major problem for the Clinton campaign.

Does anyone know if KGrahamCracker went on hiatus? I haven't seen her post lately, and am missing her.

Actually LaL,

I wasn't referring to Obama with the term, wrong as it may be, I was referring to us "uppity folks' which the Clinton Camp and supporters have been suggesting Obama was signaling with his remarks. But I'll go with a different choice of words cause it's not my purpose to start a race issue or to say Bow was.

Hey Bow,
Glad you're aboard to help translate things for us uppity folks.
Posted by: Rezdog | April 12, 2008 6:16 PM

KGC is missing and lamented. Although I am hopeful she's on a vacation or doing something really cool.
========

Wow. Gave my aged beagle the muscle relaxer her vet prescribed and we did not even make it 200 yards on our evening walk. She is just about pourable.

Gotta dial back that dose.

Carrying her downstairs now to start dinner. T bone steakbones for the pups, but maybe they get theirs tomorrow morning at this rate. Don't want any choking or for the younger pup rolling her for her bone.

Okay Rez. Thanks for untangling that for me. Understand now.

"God, any normal person would blow his or her brains out in utter humiliation after being publicly gutted and mounted with such precision.
But with Chris, god love him, it'll probably only feed his ego"

Ha! Too true.

Starting Monday, Colbert will be broadcasting from Philadelphia. Should be fun.

Good for you Patsi. Arguing with him is about as intellectually stimulating as arguing with a salt shaker.

Jamie...when's the debate? Tuesday?

Wednesday, April 16

KGC signed off.

12 reasons 'bitter' is bad for Obama

"A Clinton comeback was looking far-fetched. But operatives in both parties were buzzing about that possibility Saturday following the revelation that Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) told wealthy San Franciscans that small-town Pennsylvanians and Midwesterners “cling to guns or religion” because they are “bitter” about their economic status.

The remarks play into the hands of Republicans eager to portray him as a snob out of touch with working Americans."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9561.html

Thanks Jamie.

Sturg...did she sign off for good?

It appeared to be for good, yes.......

Jamie:

"Given that one of the favorite weapons is the intimidation factor, . . . ."

Taking a page right out of the Clinton's playbook.

(But of course it is tough for Obama to match Hillary's stare and Bill's red face and pointing finger - and of course they have Carville - the raging cajun a.k.a. the "terminator"....)

Crap

Si..............................crap.

"With the Pennsylvania primary nine days off, late-deciding voters are starting to tune in. Obama and Clinton are scheduled to appear separately on CNN on Sunday for a forum on, of all topics, faith and values. And ABC News is staging a Clinton-Obama debate in Philadelphia on Wednesday. So Clinton has the maximum opportunity to keep a spotlight on the issue. Besides sex, little drives the news and opinion industry more than race, religion, culture and class."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9561_Page2.html

"The remarks play into the hands of Republicans eager to portray him as a snob out of touch with working Americans."

Perhaps I would be more concerned if the attacks that Obama is "out of touch" with regular folks were not being leveled by two super-rich senators that have been in Washington longer than most people that are generally elected President.

(McCain is out of touch on the war and the economy. And the Clintons - surprisingly enough - are out of touch on how to run a campaign....)

"LOL Patsi
Offer me a better word then"

After much thought.....how about overweening? I kinda like that.

"But of course it is tough for Obama to match Hillary's stare and Bill's red face and pointing finger - and of course they have Carville - the raging cajun a.k.a. the "terminator"....)"

Doesn't quite beat being surrounded and SPOKEN to at Caucus or in my case today, being swarmed on in Safeway. They are very, very well trained if you like police states. One elderly man of color supporting Hillary today told us that he is literally frightened to put a bumper sticker on his car or a lawn sign out in his neighborhood.

I'm not saying that the Obama campaign is responsible, but they must be aware that their supporters are literally acting in a threatening manner towards people who don't support him.

I even played Leonard Cohen's "Everybody Knows" for her but she's not been back.
makes me want a xanax.........

Jamie........did you get the triple pun I sent you?

Sturgeone

I'm really try to Focus

Is That the One?

"Doesn't quite beat being surrounded and SPOKEN to at Caucus or in my case today, being swarmed on in Safeway. They are very, very well trained if you like police states. "

Jamie -- I read so many reports about this kind of thing happening at caucuses. I kept thinking of those Freeper-type thugs that Tom Delay sent to Florida to stop the recount. Same song, second verse.

I went back and found KGC's last comment from one day last week. And it was, of course, our favorite asshole who had insulted and demeaned her in some unconscionable, ultimately unknowable way that prompted her departure.

And, guess what? KGC just left.

She didn't pen some stupid drama queen attack on Craig and other commentors and then falsely vow never to come back. She just left. Like an adult who's fed up with this crap. That's how blogs REALLY die. When smart, good people leave.

Come to think of it...

Where's Tylenol?
Where's RebRenee?
Where's WhiskeyJack?

Did they let the sewage-spewing troll from New York drive them off too?

This guy is a total asshole. He is not an "Obama supporter", and the people who complain about him are not just "Clintonista." And I'm sick of the people who continue to defend and enable him, and make truces with him, and solicit him, just like he's another one of the sharp-elbowed bunch. He's not. He's the biggest asshole here, and his whole existence is based on playing that role and relishing it.

He is ruining your favorite blog, folks, whether you support Clinton or Obama. He's like a little baby with diarrhea, sitting in the middle of the living room floor, crapping all over the rug.

Congratulations, asshole, you are good at one thing: Making such a stink that smart people can't stand to be around you. And so this blog is no longer a place for smart people to congregate. Way to go.

I hope you're also proud of everything you said to Colorado Bob.

Yankees game is back on.

Let them play! Let them play!

Jamie............si.....i should have written the punch line as "sun's rays meet" but still and all, the same.......

Rez: Uppity? Overweening? Or just out-of-touch...ROFL!

Obama reaches out to ordinary folks by complaining about high prices at the health food (organic) store:

“'Anybody gone into Whole Foods lately and see what they charge for arugula?'” the senator said. 'I mean, they’re charging a lot of money for this stuff.' . .

Mr. Obama, perhaps sensing a lack of reaction from the crowd, moved along to the next topic."

Texans and anyone else with a heart. Shelly on one of my favorite blogs

http://thiseclecticlife.com/2008/04/09/i-dream-big-lets-send-some-kids-with-cancer-to-summer-camp/#comment-9385

is trying to send all the kids to Camp Sanguinity for free this summer. (About $150 per child) and she needs to raise $21,000 by June.

http://www.campsanguinity.org/

Check in out and then write her at least a ten dollar check for the fund.

Patsi:

Obama relates to the American people by talking about what he sees around him. That is the point. Rich people, poor people, black people and white people alike all want:

-Progress in Iraq
-To come out of this recession
-To make healthcare more affordable and accessible (and end the racket the insurance companies have created)
-Pass comprehensive immigration reform
-Improved education and better jobs

(And give me a break. Since when did it become a crime to eat "arugula".... If rich people cannot relate to the "great unwashed" than what is your explanation for the $109 M that the Clinton have earned in this century.)

And anyone who says that ANY of the 3 candidates still running for President - all who have campaigned all across this country for more than a year - is "out of touch" - is either crazy or is simply making the statement for political purposes (e.g., in this latter category you can find Clintonites who appear to be the ones most concerned about these remarks.).

Humans were made and molded for schisms. Environment vs Heredity is so incredibly mute and academic that basically WTF...........I must have schism.....were there no schism, man would make one........
I schism, therefore I am.

Schismatics Unite......you have nothing to lose but your raison d'etre.

Sturgeone,

It was a really great pun and I meant to comment and slid past with other things. You did well. My all time favorite pun has the punch line about the zoologist who was arrested for violating the Mann act because

he transported gulls across state lions for immortal porpoises.

Jamie.....I dont know many....but that one being a triple lodged in the crevices up yonder way.........a benny shaved is a benny urned........that one came from the Sat Evening Post probably in the lat e fifties......the sun's rays meet came from Lord Ashley Cooper's (Frank Gilbreth, writer of Cheaper by the Dozen)column in the Charleston News and Courier mid-sixties.

Quite honestly, I do not understand why SOME people (on this blog) have to take remarks made about candidates and their words and/or actions, and then turn it into a personal attack on the poster stating their opinion.

It is really ridiculous.

SO lets just put it this way - we are all dumb asses, and those of us who state an opinion opposite of yours are bitter. There now - you can quit - your work is finished.....

If I think a man is an arrogant @sshole, then I can say it, and damn you if you think that you can cut me down for speaking my mind! Wait , wait a minute, do you prefer "G- damn" you?

Carry on .... peace : )
I miss KGC too.

I skipped over most of this afternoon's posts. Most people do that anyway (s). Just a note of interest here. Apparently , the minister of my Mom's church used the pulpit last week to discuss the war in Iraq. His sermon was about the war in Iraq. Most of the Holland area is conservative and Republican , mind you. He basically went on an anti-war in Iraq rant. He said how we should have never gone there in the first place among other things. One parishoner yelled out "That's not true!" after one of his statements. Another woman who is German got offended by something else that the minister said and she got up and walked out. So , I guess this minister spent the week doing damage control.

Warren , you left out "To get laid".

I thought for sure that KGC would be back by now. When she left , she didn't say that it would be here last post here , did she? Maybe we could ask her what we need to do to get here to come back?

If a throwaway line at a fundraiser is what gets pundits & partisans offended to the point of hysteria, then it isn't the Obama campaign who needs to worry --it's the American people.

Everybody's ass is up for grabs.

--Lenny Bruce

Next to last Torchwood for the season.. Capt Jack and I are off doing unspeakable and entrancing stuff. :-)

Speaking of guns and religion , this is an excerpt from Wikipedia about Holland , Mi.

"The city has a strong religious base since its founding. Before the introduction of the Tulip Time festival, Holland was known as the "City of Churches." There are 170 churches in Holland, many of which are affiliated with the Reformed Church in America and Christian Reformed Church in North America denominations. The city is the home of the What would Jesus do? bracelets that kicked off the trend in 1989."

Yep , Holland is the "City of Churches". God only knows how many guns we have , too!

Corey,
If I followed correctly--
I beleive KGC felt that her privacy was at-risk, and that was just a line she did not want violated or abused.

Corey,
If I followed correctly--
I beleive KGC felt that her privacy was at-risk, and that was just a line she did not want violated or abused.

" He said how we should have never gone there in the first place among other things. One parishoner yelled out "That's not true!" after one of his statements. Another woman who is German got offended by something else that the minister said and she got up and walked out. So , I guess this minister spent the week doing damage control."

Wow....Corey....that's something. I guess I shouldn't be surprised though. I don't underestimate the warrior mentality still out there. Way back in October I wore a Hillary shirt to a local restaurant. A guy walked up to my table and REAMED me out for being against America....and it was all about her saying she wanted out of Iraq. What's even more bizarre is that this guy turned out to be the assistant manager. For him to go off at a customer over a political t-shirt was stunning to me.

sorry double mint gum posting

friend of mine played drums in this michigan joint for a bit.........one of the patrons was Del Shannon........Del would slip in during the night, sit in a corner and have his drinks........when the band went on break and stopped by his table to pay their respects as they always did, Del would ask, "Have you played it yet?" and the bandleader would say, No, Del, not yet.
when the band got back on at some point during the set they would play it........"Runaway".........and Del would bounce in his chair and dig it. Soon after, he would leave.

Lard,

I am with you on your post. I have read but rarely responded to the vile comments of BINYC. It is not worth the bother. That said, I am not leaving this blog.

He reminds me of this person that was in my work group. Constant drama, disruption, demanding attention. Fortunately, this person left the company. Now this group is able to accomplish much more without replacing the bad actor. We should be so luck here.

"If rich people cannot relate to the "great unwashed" than what is your explanation for the $109 M that the Clinton have earned in this century.)"

Ha! Obama supporters just HATE the fact that Bill Clinton finally made some money. You'd prefer he had to crawl back to Arkansas and rent a trailer. Since you obviously disrespected his presidency.

Corey......there's probably a great schism growing in that church.......the preacher was preaching.........about what's going around in his congregation, possibly......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OwkQPSsIx

runaway

Del speaks.

"Del would ask, "Have you played it yet?" and the bandleader would say, No, Del, not yet.
when the band got back on at some point during the set they would play it........"Runaway".........and Del would bounce in his chair and dig it. Soon after, he would leave."

What a great story! Thanks! (I just flipped channels to RFD-TV a while ago and caught Merle Haggard in a pink t-shirt and straw hat, singing "That's The Way Love Goes" at a little club in Myrtle Beach. Damn....I wish I'd been there.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKvCa5lkgUw

just to follow up:
On February 8, 1990, Shannon committed suicide by shooting himself in the head with a .22 caliber rifle. Shannon's wife, Bonnie, found his body at 11:25 P.M. in their Santa Clarita, California home, 35 miles north of Los Angeles. The rifle was found next to his body in the den. His wife has expressed the opinion that his death might have been related to his recent use of the prescription drug Prozac.[12] Newspaper reports also indicated that Shannon had been recovering from dental surgery, and also that he had a bad cold at the time of his death. His final album was released after his death, titled Rock On!.

that's the way love goes........Lefty Frizzel, Johnny rodrigues and merle........one of me favorite all time favoritest ditties.......

"There's a schism in the time mechanism...there's a schism in the time mechanism."

Lefty:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJoWuVCYF0s

Lefty answers his own question:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSNrbjiDaMg&feature=related

some of you may notice ol' buck trent flashing his big tooth gitar antics on that there clip..........

I apologize for the length of this...but Sturge....this came to mind. You know how people still talk about Patsy and Buddy's early deaths...here's one who stayed a long time and went out with his boots on:

"It was a few minutes till showtime on Friday, March 24 and Buck Owens was starting to have second thoughts.

He'd had a good meal at his supper club, the Crystal Palace -- his favorite, chicken-fried steak -- but by 7 p.m. he was tired. Maybe he had a touch of a cold, or maybe he was just feeling the weight of his 76 years a bit more than usual.

Nope, he told band members, he wouldn't go on. The Palace had packed them in again, but some things just couldn't be helped.

He headed out the door toward his car but on his way through the parking lot he ran into a couple who told him they'd come from Bend, Ore. They told him how much they were looking forward to hearing him sing.

"Aw, man," Buck said.

He turned around and headed back inside.

"He mentioned that onstage: 'If somebody's come all that way, I'm gonna do the show and give it my best shot,'" Buckaroo keyboard player Jim Shaw said. "'I might groan and squeak, but I'll see what I can do.'"

And the black-hatted hall-of-famer summoned up the will to go on. It wasn't his best performance. His voice was thin, his stage presence a little weak, but he stayed up there for 90 minutes.

Then he went home for the last time.

Owens, who died about seven hours later at his ranch north of Bakersfield, was both performer and businessman, and he took those roles seriously until the very end."

Corey are you contemplating the rift? Next week is the last episode for this season. Withdrawal symptoms begin the Saturday after.

As the subject today is bitter thoughts.

BRAD PAISLEY
"You'll Never Leave Harlan Alive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anPfTJyJVQY

"Where the sun comes up about ten in the morning
And the sun goes down about three in the day
And you fill your cup with whatever bitter brew you're drinking
And you spend your life digging coal from the bottom of your grave"

Jack

Patsi,

Seeing Merle Haggard should be at the top of everyones list. I saw him with Ray Price and Willie Nelson last summer on their Last Of the Breed tour. Now that was a show, Harborside Pavillion in Boston.

Also saw him with a bunch of the old Texas Playboys back in 76 or 77. Singer, songwriter, Fiddler and Great American Musician with a voice that is unique and true.

"some of you may notice ol' buck trent flashing his big tooth gitar antics on that there clip"

Sturg

Thanks,

Porter Wagoner had some great musicians backing him up.

Used to watch him every Sunday when I was a kid.

Jack

that's why so many performers get caught on stage in less than perfect conditions, and perhaps dont shine because they may be drunk or something like cash and miller so long ago and so many others.......it's that inate will to go on at the appointed time.......Except for Hank. Hank used to be kicked back with a guitar in Tootsie's Orchid Lounge when he could not be found at the Opry.......lol

Patsi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjIeqCe9f3A

Porter Wagoner is his Nudie Suits.

http://www.lelandrucker.com/PorterWagonerOpry.jpg

I contemplate a lot of things , Jamie. LOL! UK singer Robbie Williams did a song called "Never Touch That Switch". There is a line in the song that says "There's a schism in the time mechanism , there's a schism in the time mechanism"

Jack:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYQS1kHTCN0

Would Obama set a pre-condition for talks with Ahmadinejad that Iran aknowledge 9/11? Or is talking to a complete nutcase something Obama believes is a constructive idea?

http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=5179

Just thought I would keep ya'll on your toes...

Speaking of Merl Haggard, I always thought if the Democratic elites understood "Working Man Blues" they wouldn't have become the minority party.
I couldn't find Merl doing it but here is Diamond Reo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTdKbkbPu7o

Jack

"Except for Hank. Hank used to be kicked back with a guitar in Tootsie's Orchid Lounge when he could not be found at the Opry.......lol"

I like his attitude!

Wish I could watch any of the YouTube stuff....but even to try crashes my computer.

Just to give you all a glimpse into the man who raised me , here is what my Dad said to me as we were walking through the mall this afternoon:

"There sure are a lot of fat girls and fat women walking around the mall today."

Brad Paisley-Alcohol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df53LWQuezQ

For some reason I'm in a country mood

Sturge

I don't know which is worse Porters flat top or Later with his curley mullet.
LOL
Jack

corey......but all seriousness aside.........how many were there?

I've got some arugula growing in a container on my back deck...it grows pretty easily...really...you can do it yourself...and you don't even have to hide it from the cops.

Arugula might qualify as a "bitter herb." Maybe he was just thinking it's almost Passover?

Jack......that curly one was a sonnamagonna.......nobody knew what the hell to make of that one.......had a club owner in denver who did that to his hair after he broke his comb hand on a drunkster......at least that was his excuse........of course no one ever really mentioned it.......

Jack -- speaking of Democrats listening to Haggard lyrics....here's Merle's ode to his candidate, Hillary Clinton:

"This country needs to be honest
Our changes need to be large
What we need's a big switch of gender
Let's put a woman in charge."

Corey...ROFL about your dad in the mall. I can barely stand going to the mall anyway, fat/skinny/old/young people or not!

As I said to my Dad once before "I didn't even notice."

Buck Owens and the Buckeroos - I've Got A Tiger By The Tail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG4VO_cV-7M

Jack

Patsi:

I have not disrespected Bill's Presidency.

(I have called him out on obvious mistakes he has made on the campaign trail. I think those are fair game.)

And saying that Reagan Presidency - was more of a transformation - even if in many ways for the worse - that the Clinton Presidency - during which progess was stifled by GOP resistance (which grew underneath Clinton) - is not disrespectul. It is just true.

(And you better than most know that sometimes the truth hurts ; )

corey......how old's yer dad?

When music genres collide:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKgmsNZPhVo&feature=related

Or for you purists:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSPmo9rPhX8

My Dad is 76. You see , I could walk around the mall and think to myself "Wow , there are a lot of pretty women in here today!" My Dad would say "Wow. There are a lot of fat women in here today!"

Here is an odd couple

Ringo Starr & Buck Owens - Act Naturally

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHeRq6DdxHE

Jack

Corey.....it's all a matter of perspective.......honest is honest........

"There's no comfort in the truth , pain is all you'll find" - Careless Whispers by Wham!

he was 8 yrs old in 1940..........

the troof shall set yous free

------Jeebus

Sturgeone , Aunt Esther also said that a lot on Sanford and Son!

aunt esther was one of Redd Foxx's old show bizness buddies.......she and most of the other people on the show............

Jack -- Re: You'll Never Leave Harlan Alive....I love that tune, and didn't ever pay attention to who wrote it. As much as I like Paisley and respect his picking and writing, I was pretty sure he didn't. So I looked it up on ASCAP, and here's an amazing cat:

http://www.answers.com/topic/darrell-scott-1?cat=entertainment

Redd was a loyal guy.

Robt Mitchum plays and sings a song of his own write......just to show the mujicians how an actor does it..........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK_UPKk_2Q8

For today's thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc3qOp2WY9g&feature=related

Sturgeone

You didn't have to remind me that I saw that picture in the theater .....

"Redd was a loyal guy."

I loved that about him.

Patsi

Thanks for the correction
The Youtube video was a memorial to a miner who lost his life in the mine. It didn't give credit to either the singer or the writer.
I don't listen to modern country much or modern anything for that matter So I didn't recognize the tune. So I googled the hook phrase and found the lyrics. Like a lot of lyrics pages the singer got the credit.
So between you and youtube I might make it into the twentyfirst century.

Jack

From McClatchy news

Why are Republicans switching parties in N. Carolina?
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/33475.html

Jack

"Thanks for the correction"

Oh, I didn't even mean it as a correction, Jack. Most people just use the song and artist in reference... (I do too! Think Kenny Rogers and "Lucille." ) I was just interested in who actually wrote it. You really never know -- there is a fabulous song called The Highway that a friend of mine wrote. Both Willie and Mickey Newbury cut it....I'm going to search lyrics and see what shows up!

Goodness, it is quiet in here.

Play a little country music and all those radical Oboma supporter flee in terror. Even seems to have driven off a bunch of HRC supporter, They wouldn't be radical of course.

Jack, (what? Me troll? Never!)

Jack

I would stick around for country since I love good anything, but 3:00 a,m. was a long time ago and I'm climbing in the sack. Have a good rest of your evening.

Tomorrow is the last day of my wifes vacation. It is back to work for her monday. She is an early riser so she has a lot planned starting at 0,dark thirty , if I know her. So , I'm off to bed.
Good night everybody
Don't do anything I wouldn't do and If you do. For heaven sake don't name it after me.

Jack

Jaime

3 AM?

You and my wife must be kin.

Jack

A story about Spain's new government:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080412/wl_afp/spainpolitics_080412132434

Well, everyone's stated their opinions on the Barack-flap over why workers vote the way they do.
I was just stating my observations earlier. I don't think the setting in which Obama stated his thoughts makes any difference. They whole world's his stage now...every word he utters is news.
Only a small percentage of workers know how many deaths of US military personnel have occurred in the 2 wars.
Few can name the branches of government and fewer care.
That 16 year old South Carolina beauty queen who didn't know shit from Shinola knows more than than three-quarters of the people I used to work with. We could not even get more that 5% to attend union meetings .
Life is just too hard and busy for people who have to WORK for a living to spend hours a day studying politics like we Crawdads do. And it's a damn good thing to find a mechanic or a plumber who knows his/her business when you need them and who cares who they vote for, or don't?
Some people are passionate for one cause and vote that way, and that concept does not run strictly to hayseed-land.Tom Monaghan is goddam billionaire and he votes STRICTLY on abortion issues...he hates abortion.
It's nice to be passionate on one issue, nicer to be informed to some degree on more issues.
I tend to focus so hard on Iraq/Afghanistan I don't know as much as I should on other issues, but we all do that to some degree...we're not know-it-alls here...are we?
Hillary jumped all over Obama on this deal, I heard her on TV. But I also saw her on TV for about an hour in a Ft. Wayne restaurant playing patty-cake with her supporters and acting like a nice teacher of little kids.
Obama wins this fight on my card. I have many complex issues with him that I dislike, but I am starting to like him more.

what the hell..old, but good...MISS TEEN SOUTH CAROLINA!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R84a7njTd0

Good one Dex,

right arm brother!
I hate that he messed up a bit, and i have my issues with him but no enough to change my stance.

I had a busy,nice day..great weather, etc..I went to downtown to visit the opening Hillary office.
I ended up staying for several hours telephoning.
Excellent response. A nice person showed us around the building. He had an Obama button on. Just goes to prove that people supporting differing candidates can show respect for each other.
This person recommended restaurants to the out of town people..They were excellent recommendations.

Don't forget to read Frank Rich at NYT, and if you missed Dick Cavett's assessment of Petraeus/Crocker, his column is great.

I once saw a quote that read something along the lines of:

Each and every one of us is born an artist - the key to life is trying to figure out how to maintain that ability.

(Psst. - let me tell you a secret about "magic"...)

magic: (noun, verb, adjective, etc)

1. the power to put people under a "spell" to convince them to do something they once believed, in good faith, they should not do.

2. a technique often used by artists, politicians, lawyers, magicians, jedis, teachers, children, mothers, advertising agents, preachers, fathers, writers, three-card monty dealers, musicians...(you name it) - to convince people to think differently (and sometimes even contrary to reason).

The problem is that "magic" got a bad rap...

Almost inevitably, at some point in a child's lifetime, he or she is taught that "magic" can be "dangerous", "muy peligroso", etc. (And often scolded for employing such dark arts to get their way.) So the common association is that "magic" is "dark" - and it is practiced by "evil does".

Anyways, since people often associate "magic" with "darkness" - it is a great technique to use against your opponents.

(To put it in hyperbolic terms: That is how they killed all those witches in Salem. "Those crazy bitches are actually learning to think for themselves! We must put this to a stop! Drown the hags - and do it in public so we can teach everyone a lesson.")

(btw, even I agree that statement is "random" - but I figure if you are going to defend "magic" - you might as well mention some people that died for their belief in it.)

magic:

3. Often based on something intangible that we can't quite put our finger on . . . but which we all know exists. (Kinda like "female intuition" ; )

*warren is uncertain of his attempt to defend the concept of "the force" without really defending it...*

The Native Americans were not afraid of "magic"!!

*warren's credibility is placed into a hat and turned into two doves (and a partridge in a pear tree)*

Good night.

This is a strange story:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080413/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_explosion

Does not seem to "fair and balanced" to me. (But to be fair - it seems "undeveloped" at this stage). I think we need to get Fox News over in Iran. Hah! I would love to see those ratings....