Here bygynneth the Book of the Tales of Caunterbury
Whan that Aprill, with his shoures soote
The droghte of March hath perced to the roote
And bathed every veyne in swich licour,
Of which vertu engendred is the flour;
Whan Zephirus eek with his sweete breeth
Inspired hath in every holt and heeth
The tendre croppes, and the yonge sonne
Hath in the Ram his halfe cours yronne,
And smale foweles maken melodye,
That slepen al the nyght with open eye-
(So priketh hem Nature in hir corages);
Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages
And palmeres for to seken straunge strondes
To ferne halwes, kowthe in sondry londes;
And specially from every shires ende
Of Engelond, to Caunterbury they wende,
The hooly blisful martir for to seke
That hem hath holpen, whan that they were seeke.
I think its more like where stragedy and opportunity collide.
A tragedy of mountainous proportions filtered an opportunity for two, while one was planning an eventual run since before 9/11.
Arrogance is also in play here. Has to be in politics. However, the spotlight on New York's drama during 9/11 and its recovery propelled all three into the spot light.
"..but still she ought to know what a live wire topic she is and be prepared for such things......she had to have seen how they used her in 04........"
Yeah -- It will be used for sure....and I also wish she'd stayed out of it. I don't have much faith in the electorate, I'm sorry to say. When the Rethugs can make John Kerry a coward & a traitor and Max Cleland soft on defense, you gotta wonder.
I talked with my ex (in Vietnam during '67-'68) more during that election than I had in years, because we both remembered cheering John Kerry and other Vietnam vets who were speaking out.
But the feelings were hot enough during the election that my tire got slashed right where my Vietnam Vets for Kerry sticker was...)
I read the WSJ opinion. Not really a very flattering piece. Especially the last line. What would Jesus have done? Left the cheuch. Zing. What suprised me was that this was written by a NPR reporter.
I am just wondering if we really are starting to see the vetting that has been avoided.
sturge - It's too early for Middle English. It was too early when we read "A Parson's Tale, " etc. in school and it's still too early. Howeverr, methinks thatt anee typos todaye canne be seene as an ode to Chaucer, so thanks be to thee for taking offff the preshurrr.
cheurch??? Everyone better stay away from me, I expect a bolt of lightening will be heading my way soon, if my typing doesn't improve. I hate the keyboards on laptops.
Jamie, from your comment early this morning (well after my bedtime) all I can say is, Stinky is a member of the class of '36. It is truly a special group composed of women who are strong, determined, loving, and deserving of our complete admiration!
Patsi, it went just fine. A year ago, her liver panel was hinky so her oncodoc started seeing her every three months. Now she'll revert to semi-annual visits. It's been nine years since her bilateral event; we are so lucky!
I think the doc will continue seeing her as long as she is capable of making the journey (age, not illness). And, I hope that is a long, long, time.
Thanks Craig, the Chaucer was much appreciated, and to you too Chef Hussien- I needed that U2 piece to wake my eyes before the wanderings through WSJ's take on April 4th.
If this didnt get a giggle in your high school class, you were in the wrong high school.......
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As greet as it had been a thonder-dent,
That with the strook he was almoost yblent;
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And Nicholas amydde the ers he smoot,
Oh, and I forgot. Now the toughest Manhatten gets is that brass bull near Wall Street hooking his horns through the oil-soaked butressed air as the Fed comes to stuff his already over-stuffed belly at 2% interest.
EdVB..... so I take it that the Yankees won........ DAMN......
Maxtrue.... I skimmed the posts from last night...... saw your long rant and stopped to read it..... glad that I did..... it was excellent, IMO....
Craig..... hope you're in NYC for a vacation...... and hope you're having fun..... try not to spend too much money.... I know... impossible to do in NYC, but try anyways...
"surprisingly, the Times/CBS poll shows Americans don't agree with their government's priorities:
In assessing possible responses to the mortgage crisis, Americans displayed a populist streak, favoring help for individuals but not financial institutions. A clear majority said they did not want the government to lend a hand to banks, even if the measures would help limit the depth of a recession. . . .
Respondents were considerably more open to government help for home owners at risk of foreclosure. Fifty-three percent said they believed the government should help those whose interest rates were rising, while 41 percent said they opposed such a move.
And Congress' response? Senate Democrats agreed to give Republicans credit for helping struggling homeowners by accepting a "bipartisan" package of measures strongly tilted towards . . . bailing out lenders and builders! As for homeowners, a key measure Democrats had been pushing to allow bankruptcy courts to restructure mortgages was stripped from the package at Republican insistence and then quickly killed on a 58-36 motion to table, screwing consumers but pleasing the lenders. "
via firedoglake.com
The only way there will be Republican cooperation with Democrats is if there are no Republicans left.
Oops! Sorry Flatus! (My ex was an army man, too. And three uncles were Air Force -- WW II fighter pilots....)
My cousin was a Navy pilot, Captain, and a grad of the War College. He'd just married for the third time when he was offered an Admiralcy. He turned it down and retired, saying, "The Navy has already cost me two wives, and it's not going to cost me a third!"
"Of course you've seen rude people in Chicago. They were New Yorkers there on business."
Ha! Good one Ed. One time years ago I was treated rudely by a cab driver in Los Angeles. I got pissed and said (indignantly): "Who the hell do you think you are? A New Yorker?"
"Republicans have been successful at painting Democratic candidates like Al Gore in 2000 and John Kerry in 2004 as too liberal and out of step with everyday voters. But part of Obama's appeal has been his promise to rise above partisan divisions.
Fabrizio said there were dangers for Republicans in Obama's ability to attract new voters and increase turnout, but his record in Illinois on topics like sex education, crime and spending would be fertile territory for researchers.
"In order to bring out those new voters, you have to maintain the same level of excitement. If Obama gets tarnished, that excitement is going to wane" among those voters, Fabrizio said.
"What more are you going to tell the American people about Hillary Clinton? But most Americans didn't even know Barack Obama eight months ago, and there is so much more for them to know."
(If Obama gets tarnished --- there is so much more for them to know. The 527s would educate the voters about Obama, does not have to be true. Rev Wright - GD America, Farrakhan, Ayers, flag pin, pledge of allegiance, hates America, secret muslim, name - Barack Hussein Obama, MO's comments, cocaine, Larry Sinclair, Rezko, extreme liberal, etc.)
You know I love the New York vid Craig being NY born and bred Irish Catholic and die hard Yankees fan. NY is near and dear to my heart and well Hillary is still hanging in if only barely so, but as long as she is there is still hope no matter how slim.
Craig I thought her appearance on Leno was pretty good, I thought her self deprecating humor was pretty funny
I'm sure the vid is great - only wish I could view it.
I went back and couaght up with some of the posts from 5:00 yesterday - Heather, I am glad I could inject a little joy into your day. As I tell my boss, I live to serve.
I still think that some folks are underestimating the voting effect of boomers - now aged 45-63 - and folks older (of course those are falling away due to the natural processes that eventually turn us back to dirt). Remember, boomers were born between 46 and 64, so drawing a line at age 55 si a bit arbitrary and omits half of the boomers from the "oldster" voting demo.
Here's a link to some interesting population graphs from the '00 census.
Boomers and olders were 50% of the population and 57% of the voters. Now I know more younger voters are registering and voting in the primaries - a good thing I reckon, but we still hold the power.
Sturg, goode lorde, you are on this fine morning. lol
On the previous thread there was some mention of vetting for Sen Obama and I do have one question that has been nagging at me from the beginning. This isn't snark, if anyone knows the answer I would really be interested.
Political campaigns are expensive. Politicians wanting to run on a state or national level spend years building up war chests, particularly if they are changing from one level to another (House to Senate for example). Sen Obama ran for Il Senate 1996, ran for U.S. House 2000 (failed), ran for U.S. Senate 2004 and is running for President in 2008.
To my knowledge neither he nor his wife are independently wealthy, yet it has been written that a year before this latest campaign began, after only two years in the Senate, he was setting up state organizations in preparation for the run for the Presidency. Where has the money come from for 12 years of non stop campaigning? Were the state organizations based in the churches and basically free at the beginning? How did he put it together or who put it together for him?
Anybody have any details? (Stop waving your hand Gordo, I'm not calling on you).
Doesn't seem like arrogance so much as a bad case of the gimme gimmes ... and she could've picked that bad habit up in Arkansas and DC too.
No matter where you're from, I can't imagine you develop a taste for being knocked around by "inexperienced" upstarts after you spend eight years being a member of the First Family and the Dem standard for the "golden years" pre-Bush Administration.
The Accuracy Police are always willing to give a Hyperbole Hall Pass as long as casual readers can see the footnote.
Renee,
No gloating. Just happy with the win. We got to see Joba the Great, and then have Mariano close them out with the tying run on third. Sports radio's talking heads call them meaningless games in April, but they all count in the final standings.
I've got a full schedule from now through June, but my crazy cousin can't wait to get back down there. Of course he's got the perfect formula for Yankee Stadium trips. He drinks, and I drive. I'm going to read a while here, then go take a nap.
Obama Adviser Calls for 60,000-80,000 U.S. Troops To Stay in Iraq Through 2010
"In “Stay on Success: A Policy of Conditional Engagement,” Mr. Kahl writes that through negotiations with the Iraqi government “the U.S. should aim to transition to a sustainable over-watch posture (of perhaps 60,000–80,000 forces) by the end of 2010 (although the specific timelines should be the byproduct of negotiations and conditions on the ground).”
The political ramifications of the disclosure are yet to be seen. The perception of a harder line in Iraq could help Mr. Obama combat charges by Senator McCain in a general election that Mr. Obama favors a hasty surrender and retreat in Iraq. But it could hurt the Obama campaign with anti-war voters in the Democratic primaries. "
So much for the longest continual period of job growth since the nation has kept such figures that Dumya loves to brag about. I wonder if Wall
Street will continue yesterday's insanity and react positively to this report?
Jamie, for examle, is here supporting a candidate.Not trying to control the party. Max and Warren both assume they can determine the fate of a party they've already rejected.
By the way, the place that Randi Rhodes said the following was at an Obama supporters event, advertised on Obama's website. Why isn't the media demanding an apology from him? Can you IMAGINE the outcry if something similar had happened at a Hillary rally?
Rhodes: "What a whore Geraldine Ferarro is! She's such a f**king whore. . Hillary is a big f**king whore, too. You know why she’s a big f**king whore?"
"The Navy has already cost me two wives, and it's not going to cost me a third!"
Patsi, military life is terribly hard on families. I thought things were better when most families lived on base; there was always someone right there who understood and could share a person's misery.
I never talked about work at home. Our kids thought I was a cook, which really impressed them, and accounted for my odd hours.
Every once in a while we'd have a get together, with the spouses, where we'd all get snockered--the spouses in one room and the rest of us in the kitchen. It was a major opportunity to decompress.
"Jamie, for examle, is here supporting a candidate.Not trying to control the party. Max and Warren both assume they can determine the fate of a party they've already rejected."
Talk about hyperbole - you should be a freaking lawyer Patsi. I thought I was just trying to support the candidate I believe will make the best President (and the Democratic candidate that I think has the best chance to get elected).
And the only thing I have rejected Patsi is blind partisan-ship.
Yes....in my cousin's case, he was gone ALL the time. And he knew that being an Admiral meant ship duty. Although I never quite understood how going from pilot to a ship quite made sense.....
You've got an all day pass from me, but my jurisdiction is pretty small. If you get caught exaggerating below Yonkers, I'll help you make bail, but you could be in trouble.
Warren & Heather,
We have some other Yankee fans hanging around C-List, and should hear from them as the year goes on. I urge cautious optimism. Renee, Bear, and other Sox fans, have a lot more to brag about in the 21st century than we do.
Sign that the apocalypse may be near: The Yankee fans in front of me last night had strong Boston accents. Either that, or they were speaking French.
"Where has the money come from for 12 years of non stop campaigning?"
Jamie...I don't have details...but clearly much of it has come from friends like Rezko...note that over time every time he talks about how much money he got from Rezko...the number goes up...sometimes doubles. Of course Rezko is not the only one...I'm sure there are other shady friends that financed all those campaigns (what is it 6 in 12 years?).
There is a large and sinister group behind Obama. But why try to explain - would just get the "tin foil" comments. This group has power because people are not willing to just open their eyes and look at events. You asked important questions. If Obama became POTUS, this country and planet would experience "Hell on Earth".
I have been a lifelong Yankees fan. My first trip to the Stadium was in 63 or 64 for Old Timers Day. I still have my plastic batting helmet from that day. Joe Pepitone was my hero, lefty playing first base. If my memory is correct he hit two homers that day. Mantel, Maris, Tresh, it was probably the most exciting day of my young life.
obama recieved twice the amount in donations
he is spending twice as much in pa.
and he is still behind in penn polls and losing ground
in national polls ''
that should be the story
"Senator Barack Obama’s support among Democrats nationally has softened over the last month -- particularly among men and upper-income voters," the Times reported on its Web site.
The paper suggested that Obama hit "something of a peak in February" and his seen a slow decline since then.
Obama's large lead with Democratic male voters has totally evaporated."
In connection with MLK's loss: NYTimes story on the Penn Center on St. Helena's Island, South Carolina, a respite for Dr. King during the turbulent 60s. Penn Center founded to educate freed slaves in 1862, predates Emancipation; provided education, social services and solace over the years.
Slide show worth the click if you never read the full article.
Hi everyone. My Royals are incredibly off to a 3-0 start after a road sweep of the Tigers. Even though it's only April 4, the standings showing them in first place in the AL Central is for sure clip-n-save material! I'll be in KC next Tuesday to watch them take on the Yanks in their home opener.
"What gives Lardass the right to take Sheila to task for her vote...in any election? "
Harborwoman...saw your post from 2:26 a.m. on the other thread, and wanted to clarify that I wasn't "attacking" or "taking to task" Sheila last night for voting for Ronald Reagan back in 1980. I just seemed to recall that she had, and thought it appropriate and fair that she make that qualifier part of her latter-day odes to Jimmy Carter. That's all. We traded a couple punches over it, she explained what happened, and that was that. Not sure if you read the dayside threads, but I just wanted to make sure you didn't think I was ignoring you.
Warren....
nope..... you can't get the goat of this Red Sox and Patriot fan......
EdVB..... I strongly resemble that Yankee fan.... well..... except for the French speaking part..... I know, I know..... when I was in Quebec last week, I bought a pair of shoes and paid with my credit card..... after signing it, the clerk noticed my VERY French name.... she started teasing me about the fact that I was speaking English......
Ruling Finds EEOC Misclassified Workers As Exempt
Portfolio Media, New York (April 3, 2008)--In an ironic turn of events for the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, an arbitrator has found that the agency violated a federal labor law by misclassifying some of its own investigators and mediators as exempt from overtime compensation.
Arbitrator Stephen M. Wolf determined that the EEOC made a mistake when it changed the status of certain investigators and mediators to exempt under the Fair Labor Standards Act's administrative exemption, according to a March 23...
Sorry I don;t have a link.
In national polls, it looks to me like Obama is leading Clinton by 3% for the Dem nomination, and both Clinton & Obama are leading McNumnuts by 5% in polls for the general. Obama and Clinton have been within 7 pts of each other since early February, the day after SuperDuper Tuesday.
obama raised 55 million in febuary''' 40 million in
march'''is that a trend down?
looks like the college kids and young people have
just about maxed out thier parents credit cards
"18 and 1" is clever, but I'm afraid I didn't do a good job delivering my message. I like to kid with Renee and other friends, who are Red Sox fans, but actual trash talk is not my style. I root for my team, not against the other guys.
Seeing the passion you show for your candidate here on C-List, my way probably sounds boring to you, but I recommend it as a secret to living a long and healthy life.
A bad decision by one of my kids may raise my blood pressure, but if a Yankee pitcher grooves a fastball in Manny's wheel-house, I've usually forgiven the pitcher's mistake by the time Manny touches home. Of course that gives me about three minutes for rage. That's plenty.
My earliest baseball memory is seeing the newscast announcing that Joe D was retiring. That puts me a few years ahead of Bowmanc. On my first trip to the stadium I think I was 9 or 10, which would have made it 1955 or '56. Jackie Jensen was in Centerfield for the Red Sox and Vic Wertz was in their lineup playing first base. I could tell you the entire Yankee line-up but I don't want to bore our other readers. I'll just mention the lesser knowns, Joe Collins at first and Andy Carey at third.
After this brief interlude, feel free to get back to politics.
nash, you been asleep? That was run up and down the flagpole here yesterday. HuffGobama keeps looping it because the like the sound of anyone calling Hillary anything unflattering. Air America wasn't so amused - and it takes a lot to get their dander up.
pogo: Hillary's support in PA is trending downward and there's still two weeks to go. We'll probably start hearing spin from her campaign about why a loss there won't be so bad.
I really don't know exactly what to make of this - but I've never heard of a candidate's campaign manager asking a p.r. firm to help a church out witth its p.r. mess or of a p.r. firm doing pro bono work - although I expect hat they may from time to time. I know thi isn't a constitutional church-state violation, but it's sure a church-politics connection that's a bit hinky.
Your way does not sound boring to me. I am for the most part a pretty easy going guy. And I agree it is the key to a long and healthy life. Stress is the biggest killer if you ask me. I think it has a horrible impact on the body and also leads to bad habits.
But I also like to mix it up - especially when it comes to over-zealous Red Sox fanatics or rabid Clintonites.
(And I am going to keep that passion up for the general election no matter which Dem gets the nominee - because my strong belief that McCain's Foreign Policy will keep us on the misguided and short-sighted path that Bush and Co. has set us down.)
nash, I agree that the polls show her support trending downward in PA. I guess that bus tour is helping - along with the profligate campaign spending, but for whatever reason, Obama does appear to be narrowing the race there.
"(And I am going to keep that passion up for the general election no matter which Dem gets the nominee - because my strong belief that McCain's Foreign Policy will keep us on the misguided and short-sighted path that Bush and Co. has set us down.)"
warren - 10:39
NOW you're talking warren - throw in the judiciary angle and you've got 2/3 of a g.e. trifecta.
I became a Yankees fan during the Mattingly and Winfield days (in FL of all places). But my family was from the NE and I used to visit my grandmother on Long Island and watch the Yankees on WPIX (11). I loved going up there cause the Yankees were on TV all the time. (In FL, I only got Cubs and Braves games on a regular basis).
And the best thing was that the family of my best friend was from Boston - so I have been engaged in that rivalry from my early days. Back in the days when Mattingly was battling for the batting title with Wade Boggs (and often losing....that Boggs was pretty good).
Anyways, the rivalry is much more bitter these days than it was in the past. And often gets pretty nasty at Yankee stadium. I still try to keep my verbal jabs humorous and do my best to not be too offensive (since there are plenty of young Yankee fans at the stadium).
(I can be as good a defusing tension as I am at creating it ; )
Thanks I had read one of the articles, but not the Harpers. I'll need more data, but it looks as if the super liberal and/or politically naive are being heavily manipulated by those with huge dollar signs in their eyes.
Everytime I hear "civilian casualty" - I think - oh boy - we have just created at least 20 lifelong enemies of the US (i.e., all the family and friends of that individual - not too mention all the additional people they can convince to hate the US with their horrible story).
And McCain can call out Obama all he wants for "distorting" his position. McCain can't hide from the fact that he said we may be in Iraq for 100 years. And McCain is also no better than Bush at articulating what the hell "victory" in Iraq means.
And back to his 100 years comments. Does he really think we can keep a US presence in the Iraq - which will be wrongly or rightly characterized as an "occupying force" by enemies of the US - and NOT take casualties. Talk about naive....
You see Pogo,
A 21 point difference and NO FUCKING MSM IS REPORTING THAT!
If is were reversed...everyone would be jumping up and down saying: Hillary should quit now... CNN has now headline that they are tied in Indiana, but not reporting that King Obama was ahead for many months by double digits...if it were reversed.....
feel the anger coming back on...maybe I need a
kumbaya moment now.
Don't get your hopes up Obamakids about PA...Hillary has taken a little hit in a couple of polls due to Bosnia flack...she's making light of it, it's dying down, she has two weeks before PA primary and will bounce back.
SurveyUSA has one of the best track records going and has her up 12% - post Bosnia.
Remember a couple of polls had Obama taking CA by double digits...that didn't happen.
Remember a couple of polls had Obama beating Hillary by 9% in New Hampshire...that didn't happen.
Bosnia thing will die down...Obamabowl-a-rama will make those working class guys think twice and Hillary will take PA
I agree with Jason...the story is about Obama losing in IN.
:-D
Must go get the classroom technology up and running.
Take a chill jason, and go to Pollster.com and look at the upcoming primary links - they will make you feel better.
See, warren, more common ground, although I became a Yankees fan in the Mantle, Maris, etc. era., but started following the Red Sox in the 80s when I lived in NH, and then the Tribe when I married a southern belle from Cleveland in the 90s - and have never dropped one of those from my list of favorite teams - when they play each other, I just drink an extra couple of beers and smile no matter who wins. I obviously have a high capacity for cognitive dissonance - at least when it comes to baseball (and to politics, albeit to a much lesser degree).
I'm not getting too excited about IN although I like the trend there. Obama will blitz the place and cover it with money - lord knows he's got plenty to do that with -between now and the election, and I expect those polls to change like PA's are doing.
PS -- EuroTom -- I have a great postcard that I designed and sent out hundreds for Harold during his senate campaign -- if I email it to you could you put it somewhere on your blog for a few days so Flatus and some other Harold fans could see? I think they'd get a kick out of it.
Posted by: Patsi | April 3, 2008 8:07 PM
Patsi, send it on! You got my email right? eurotom At GEE MAIL dot com
I am not getting my hopes up for PA (too much). I don't put too much stock in polls - especially this far out from the actual election.
(That is why I think it is assinine to look at polls re: the general election right now and attempt to make hard and fast conclusions).
Despite what you may think, I am a realist (even though I am also an eternal optimist). I think HRC is still in the driver's seat in PA. And although a win or a close one in PA would almost wipe out HRC's chances for the nomination - I will be satisfied with Obama just preventing a blow out.
The biggest thing to watch coming out of PA will be the popular vote. HRC needs a big win to give her a chance to catch up to Obama in terms of the popular vote. And someone tell Wolfson - making it close ain't gonna cut it. She will need to finish with more votes to even have a chance at getting a super majority of super D's.
warren, McCain misses a few of the distinctions between Iraq and the other places we left occupying or peacekeeping forces. We defeated and disarmed Germany and Japan, had ceremonies and all that stuff, and settled into peaceful co-existence after that occurred - we defended South Korea against North Korea, and drew a demarcation line between the two Koreas and stay behind it as a defensive force for SK despite the fact that SK has avery large, strong army of its own. We also have become one of if not the most important market for each of those country's goods in international commerce. There are no warring factions, large scale militias run by fanatics or serious religious divides in those countries, and they all have relatively strong central governments, all forged in the aftermath of WWII (and in Korea's case, during the Cold War under our tutelage). They are all major industrial nations, and among the largest and strongest economies in the world.
Iraq has oil, three strong and opposing factions seeking to control the country or a large part of it, a central government without enough strength to get out of its own way, an army that can't stand up to the militias even under our support and is dominated by religious strife. We will be taking causalties for the foreseeable future if we stay there.
Ms. Huffington may have a point in this article - but the Dems really need to stay away from such flip comments re: McCain like the one above.
I think Rachel and Keith-O are plenty smart - but they always go overboard on McCain because they are blinded by hatred for anything related to Bush. (btw, I am not defending Bush - just thinking about strateegery...).
Oh well - I guess pundits are paid to over-react....
But the Dems have enough legitimate ammunition against the GOP and McCain - and should stay away from petty and insulting points....(leave that to us folks on the blogs ; )
The media should be neither Democratic or Republican. You should have been complainng about their behavior all along. But when it was working you and your candidate...crickets.
"Iraq has oil, three strong and opposing factions seeking to control the country or a large part of it, a central government without enough strength to get out of its own way,"
Which is why Biden will prove to be right in the end. Iraq was an artificial British construct basically held together by a series of dictators.
Now that we have taken down Saddam, the construct is falling apart. The only way we will get out is to either put "our guy" in place to stomp on the citizens and act as the opposition to Iran (right back where we started except for 4,000 American deaths, a few trillion American dollars, and 100,000 + Iraqi deaths) or we can act as the moderator to let it divide up naturally into three or four parts.
I am simply giving some suggestions as to how the media can keep working for my candidate.
I want Obama to have as much support in the media as possible. That way they can help de-bunk all the misinformation contained in the eventual 527's and GOP attacks.
I am just saying that when they go overboard (as they have done with Clinton as well) they are counter-productive.
(Having an "objective media" is about as big a pipe dream as Bush being a "compassionate conservative.")
The only way the media will not be either Dem or Repub - is when the American people become a little less partisan. Until then - the media will keep serving up red and blue meat since that is what the people want....
warren, that's Arianna's schtick - she was one of the original modern snarky commentators. She takes a side and peppers the other other side alternately with facts and putdowns. She did it as a conservative, did it as a liberal when she became one, and has done it as an Obama supporter. The majority of the content of the piece is sound, but the soundbites are the takeaways, and while they might appeal to her readers, up her hit rate and ad revenue, they are not good strategically for dems in the upcoming election.
I want Obama to have as much support in the media as possible. That way they can help de-bunk all the misinformation contained in the eventual 527's and GOP attacks
jamie, that's probably exactly right - and that final option will absolutely not happen under a McCain presidency, and I'm not sure it will happen under either a Clinton or Obama presidency, either.
And warren, if you get Arianna - and you have - that's what you're going to get. She sees the world in extremes as badly as Bush - even though she's been on both sides of the dichotomy she sees. You would think that might result in moderation - and you would be wrong. Her value is with the base - his need is in the middle - he'll have to look to other commentators to appeal to his need.
It is somewhat amusing that the same people who have been pontificating about the impending end of the Hillary campaign for many months, don't learn from their past blatantly inaccurate pronouncements.
Perhaps they should learn from their past mistakes and be a little less certain.
Morning all...well, good afternoon to all you east coasters...
Patsi...I'm genuinely curious as to your psych credentials. Every time anyone disagrees with you, we get some sort of diagnosis that's "very troubling" to you. I spent 28 years working in juvenile corrections, and have had a lot of training that included much on what constitutes enabling behavior, but I don't recall that it included pointing out when people make remarks they KNOW will restart something they claim they want to END.
Lardass...I did see the back and forth between you and Sheila yesterday. You were simply an example in my little tirade last night. But I will say that, given my (high) opinion of your intellect, your comments to Sheila surprised me. It just seems to me that she should be praised for her openness to information, instead of being taken to task for NOW thinking someone she didn't vote for way back when is a really good human being. I know I regret some of my votes from decades past, and wish I'd been as well-informed then as I think I am now.
It always surprises me that those who are registered party members think that those of us who are not should somehow have less say in who is going to govern us. I get that the two parties want to control who their nominee is, and I agree with that intellectually, but NOT if it means those of us who choose to remain independent are left out of the process.
Randi Rhodes - wow - and she only got suspended?
It really is disconcerting to me when women speak like pigs. (No offense toward the pig animal intended)
Air America, including Randi Rhodes, has become a vulgar, out-of-control pro-Obama, Anti-Hillary rant.
Earlier this week I took my HIllary signs and walked outside the Clear Channel in Southwest Portland. The Air America station and the right wing station are Clear Channel here.
I was unaware of the latest Randi Rhodes incident.
I'm going back this afternoon with sign and umbrella in hand.
I'm going to Hillsboro tomorrow, hoping to get into the Hillary rally at Libverty High School. She will be in Eugene later in the day.. Hillsboro is a Portland suburb in Washington County..a swing county here.
It is avery good decision to go to Washington County.
I'm getting more and more disillusioned with Barack Obama.
This week he appeared on the Ed Shultz show on our local Air America station.
Shults has become part of the anti-Hillary fringe nuts who attack her on a daily basis...personal attacks, using terms like Clintonista referring to Hillary supporters, etc..
Obama heaved praise and appreciation on Shultz, the former? Reagan Republican..
Schultz told Obama that Schultz is is here fighting for him every day..No wonder the station,like the now defunct Sacramento station, is losing advertisers and is running more and more public service announcements.
"Dereck Cummings is an openly gay man and a former Jehovah's Witness who says he isn't in the habit of judging other people on their lifestyles or religion.
But Cummings can't shake the feeling that there's something worrisome in the incendiary sermon highlights, something that keeps nagging at him as he tries to decide how to vote in his state's Democratic primary election in April.
If that's been your priest for that many years, it affects who you are," said Cummings, an assistant store manager in this suburban shopping mecca outside Philadelphia. "Those thoughts come across, Sunday after Sunday, and that just scares me."
Pats, I am loyal to the New Democrats as envisoned by Clinton, I am not loyal to the NeoLiberals who have highjacked the party. Unlike some, I do have my principles and no amount of partisanism is going to make me renounce them. I Left a post last night to answer your comments. Perhaps such "Independence" can pressure the Party to return to sanity rather than set the stage for a GOP take-over in 2012.
I rather doubt Warren will vote for McCain over Hillary, do you?
" I get that the two parties want to control who their nominee is, and I agree with that intellectually, but NOT if it means those of us who choose to remain independent are left out of the process."
HW, Should actual multi parties ever be formed, there would be nothing to prevent them from nominating and endorsing the chosen candidate of one of the other parties. This is really quite common in countries with parliaments.
It really isn't fair for those who do not support a party platform to be able to select the standard bearer for that party.
This almost happened with The Reform Party and Ross Perot. Unfortunately, the two major parties have such a death grip on the electoral process that it is very hard for third parties to form and remain viable on the national level though a few such as green, independent, and even Socailist (good ol' Bernie Sanders) manage at the house or state level.
Diagnosis, please. What psychological condition do you have that you respond to inquiries with snotty one-liners designed to continue the very conversations you decry?
"(Having an "objective media" is about as big a pipe dream as Bush being a "compassionate conservative.")"
I don't care if they are objective, I just want them to be like the old newspapers they replaced. Their news should be "news", but all their editorial stuff should be easily identifiable. If MSHBO wants to drool for Sen. Obama, just don't pretend that isn't spindrool dripping off of KO's chin. That way CNN can give up any pretense of balance and jump whole hog into being the Clinton News Network while that wiley coyote FOX McCain can slash and burn to their hearts content.
The realists amongst us can just watch original footage on C-SPAN
Classic example just happened on MSNBC ... Hillary "poached" an anecdote from Ronald Reagan. The FACT that the joke was probably older than Reagan when HE used it, doesn't keep them from slamming Hillary.
As long as my tax dollars are used to pay for the primary process, I demand the right to have a say in who may become the leader of my country...parties or no parties. The Republicans and Democrats, in their rush to garner ever more dollars for their campaigns, have already effed this country up to the point that there may be no recovering it. And you're having a fairly substantial say in party politics without being registered, aren't you?
FWIW: that joke is too much identified with Reagan, even if he did not originate it.
The pony in manure joke and the compelling story about the brave WWII pilot (?) going down with the wounded airman on a doomed fighter plane, rather than abandoning him. (Leaving people to wonder: OK, so who was left to tell the story?) Stories relayed optimism and "I'll stay with you" to Reagan's audiences.
Hillary would get as much grief if she'd joked her mother was about to buy her an election, but don't spend too much on it.
Tone deafness was issue there, and maybe it was a dog whistle NOT to the Reagan Democrats -- you liked the Gipper? Then you will like me telling this story, remember those good times?
I thought it was a legitimate issue. I was amazed to see Hillary telling that joke, because it's just too associated with Reagan.
You made a point about the media the other day that bears repeating, IMO. Those who are so obviously FOR one candidate over another, like MSNBC, really should just go ahead and endorse. That would be only fair to the candidates, and to the many voters who don't follow politics closely.
Not to me it wasn't. The version I heard in the 60s (and maybe the one Hillary knew) involved a psychologist trying to even out a set of twins, one that was a complete pessimist and one that was a complete optimist.
The pessimist woke up to find his room filled with every imaginable toy a child could want. "Nothing is the right model and it will all break anyway".
The optimist woke to the fragrance of a room full of horse manure. "Where there's this much shit, there has to be a pony".
It was an old joke when I heard it. The point is that they accused her of plagiarism of a joke that has been around nigh on to forever. It was neither right nor fair, and it was done purely to injure her.
IMO, I'm confusing nothing. You, however, are desperately trying to change the topic back to me in order to make yourself look more intelligent and powerful. Bless your heart.
"what is so bad about typing in a fevered response to whatever slight you see, and then erasing it and not hitting "submit." Your own private "edit" function."
I can't afford round trip air fare to NY in order to separate his head from his carcass. HItting "submit" is the only available if unsatisfying alternative.
Most recently the pony joke was the title of a book about the Time Warner Debacle and it was movie with Elizabeth Taylor and I did not see a single credit to Ronnie Raygun in either of the credits.
OK, now I'm going to admit straight up that I don't understand economics or the market - so could someone explain to me how the market could RISE in the wake of today's jobs report? The Dow is now UP 47 points.
Mad: fabulous catch with the Richard Whalen CQ column.
Heather was moaning yesterday about the "radical leftist" Obama supporters taking over the Democratic party, and I have yet to meet ANY of them. But plenty of what Whalen has ID'd as antiwar and anti- what passes for the GOP these days.
Pertinent from Whalen column: (And mind you, I do not see Obama as "ultra-liberal." Far from it.):
"Anti-war conservatives are rallying around ultra-liberal Barack Obama. He promises to “get out of Iraq as carefully as we went in carelessly,” and that’s enough for Andrew J. Bacevich, professor of history and international relations at Boston University.
... Bacevich, a Vietnam vet and a gold star father, whose beloved son and namesake was killed in Iraq is our generation’s Charles Beard. The Obama movement swells daily with traditional political figures of the first rank. Kevin Phillips, an old rightist, says he expects to vote for Obama. Another likely Obama supporter may be retired General Bill Odom, the leading anti-war strategist. In 2005, General Odom, former head of the National Security Agency under Reagan, called the Iraq War “the greatest single strategic mistake in our nation’s history.” A younger Reagan-era colleague, Doug Bandow and many of The American Conservative’s writers and editors are also leaning toward Obama.
Are anti-war conservatives “disloyal” to the good old GOP? I think the endless War Party deserted them long ago. The conservative cause was the life’s work of the late Bill Buckley. And he, too, at the end, concluded that Iraq would destroy it all. ..."
(1) All those companies that laid off all those people are now in a better profit position due to a reduction in expenses.
(2) It isn't across the board, but in the key members of the Dow, the purchase price may have dropped enough in early trading to make purchasing them in the afternoon profitable thus sending the overall numbers up.
"C Listers: what is so bad about typing in a fevered response to whatever slight you see, and then erasing it and not hitting "submit." Your own private "edit" function."
Well, for many of us simply ignoring a scoundrel tends to indicate that we are weak and willing to be trampled upon.
Everyone who has ever done on-line 'discussing' certainly knows that perceived weakness in a correspondent begets violence. So it's entirely reasonable and appropriate that we strike whoever attacked us with the the nearest sharp instrument.
But, maybe there's an alternative response. How about:
Noted ;-)
That brief response including the emoticon certainly connotes a feeling of disdain for what the other person has said.
Agree with dog, interesting piece. I'm not completely sold on a new coalition model that includes too many righties. Maybe for election purposes, but not for governance. I do believe he needs to bring in more repugs to counter the redneks and racists he won't get.
Oh, and Pats, I registered Independent when I thought "we" had become the Progressive Party. In that sense, I'm more of a Democrat than some of the posters here. Maybe I should call Obama supporters Independents and myself a true Democrat. I guess that is what this nomination is about.
Also please make another Republican group --Assholes. And another Democratic one --Nutcases
Thinking about MLK's life today, it makes me wonder how so many can continually sneer at Bill Clinton's women problems and say nothing of King's. Maybe they just say ugly things about him in private.
Second long excerpt from RWhalen's CQ column today.
"Bacevich, writing in The American Conservative, says: “Barack Obama is no conservative. Yet if he wins the Democratic nomination, come November principled conservatives may well find themselves voting for the senator from Illinois. Given the alternatives—and the state of the conservative movement—they could do worse.
“Granted, when it comes to defining exactly what authentic conservatism entails, considerable disagreement exists even (or especially) among conservatives themselves. My own definition emphasizes the following:
a commitment to individual liberty, tempered by the conviction that genuine freedom entails more than simply an absence of restraint;
a belief in limited government, fiscal responsibility, and the rule of law;
veneration for our cultural inheritance combined with a sense of stewardship for Creation;
a reluctance to discard or tamper with traditional social arrangements;
respect for the market as the generator of wealth combined with a wariness of the market’s corrosive impact on humane values;
a deep suspicion of utopian promises, rooted in an appreciation of the sinfulness of man and the recalcitrance of history.
“Accept that definition and it quickly becomes apparent that the Republican Party does not represent conservative principles. The conservative ascendancy that began with the election of Ronald Reagan has been largely an illusion. During the period since 1980, certain faux conservatives—especially those in the service of Big Business and Big Empire—have prospered. But conservatism as such has not.”
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Isn't it just perfect that many thinking conservatives realize they will have to turn to Barack Obama and the Democrats to save much of what they value of American conservatism?
The Whelan piece says Obama is a possibility because he promises to remove troops carefully
How will the antiwar left react when he has promised to remove the troops immediately.
Also although almost the entire column was posted
not this paragraphy
“So why consider Obama?” Bacevich asks. “For one reason only: because the liberal Democrat has promised to end the U.S. combat role in Iraq. Contained within that promise, if fulfilled, lies some modest prospect of a conservative renewal.”
To me that says, Obama will help conservatives grow stronger. Why would I want to do that.
Patsi,
Personally, I criticize slick only because of who he was at the time, who was he target and where it it happened and on my dime. Plus, as you hold Carter responsible for Reagan, I hold Bill, responsible for Bush II.
jamie, my question was semantic. :-) No one can really adequately explain he market responding positively to a jobs report that suggests we are halfway into the jobs side of a recession - other than as a hangover from Bernanke's "we saved capitalism" testimony to Congress yesterday and expectations of even lower interest rates.
btw, gasoline jumped 19 cents per gallon here yesterday - that's a 7% or so jump in one day - any die hard free market theorists out there who believe that either supply or demand changed enough to expain that price change? And the big oil producers increase profits yet again. This is 2, count 'em, 2 days after Congress chided the big oil execs about their profits and lack of development of alt. fuel technology. That wsa effective. And is this price jump being reported by big media? I don't see it on the Times' or Post's front page.
According to article the only reason they would vote for him is the because of the war. My question is--if the conservatives like him because he has a measured response to ending the war --how does that balance with his promise to the end the war immediately.
Not making any judgements...but that looks like two pretty different statements to me
Rez, and I hold Gore and the Supreme Court responsible for Bush II. Either could have prevented his ascendency had they removed their heads from their asses for about half a second.
As to MLK, there was no such thing as cable news or the internet, and the media didn'tcareany more about his pecadillos than they cared about JFK's.
dog, Bacevich is saying what Ann Coulter has been saying for months - don't think for a second that the repugs, conservative or not, are turning to Obama to save conservatism in government. The right wing of the Rep party doesn't see McCain as a conservative, and they simply see a disaster on the horizon and want to let it occur on the Dems' watch and be around to take advantage of it in the next election cycles.
Hold Baker responsible. Hold the Supremes responsible. Hold Bush responsible, Hold that ferret who was Bush's campaign manager responsible. Hold the pseudo repug who was his running mate responsible. Or, ohmygod, hold Gore responsible.
Oh, and ruminating about infidelities that happened 40 years ago or more by a dead hero and icon of the racial movement is about as stupid as ruminating about a blow job a decade ago on someone whose wife is running for president. None of this makes any difference except as a distraction.
Additional parties would be great, however, they will never happen until there is money in it. Once money is available people will follow.
Maybe the internet fund raising machine, and message delivery system will be the tool able to organize more citizens ( and supporting funds ) that would like to have their own party separate from the "nut-cases" and "@ssholes"
Who was Parade magazine's cover boy with last Sunday's newspaper supplement? Hint: cover is usually territory for Mariah Carey level celeb or TV celebrity du jour. Plus the occasional altruist.
Second hint: you are going to feel really old, if you did not already see it.
"(Those of you who still don't think that the Clintons speak in "racist code" just aren't paying close attention.)"
Nash,
So everybody who has commented on the historic quality of this campaign including Senator Obama, multiple office holders, and all of the news commentators are closet racists and only you can determine what is in their heart of hearts by one sentence that accurately describes the situation.
"This is a screenshot of THE “sold-out” Green360 event in San Francisco at which Randi Rhodes uttered those disgusting remarks. It was an event apparently fully SANCTIONED by the Obama campaign as a fundraiser. It is on his official site.
"A key adviser to Senator Obama’s campaign is RECOMMENDING in a confidential paper"
Both Mr. Kahl and a senior Obama campaign adviser reached yesterday said the paper DOES NOT represent the campaign’s Iraq position."
Caps added for emphasis.
I hope he does what he says and reviews various opinions prior to making decisions , which I'm not sure our current guy does.
Posted on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 11:47:00 AM EST
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A new PA poll by Muhlenberg College and the Morning Call show Hillary ahead by 11 points. Full poll results are here.
Key findings:
1. With the Pennsylvania Presidential Primary under three weeks away, Senator Hillary Clinton maintains a double digit lead over Senator Obama in the Democratic race.
2. Democratic voters in the Keystone State were most likely to rank the economy as the key issue in terms of their vote in the Democratic Primary, with the Iraq War and health care also prominently mentioned.
3. Pennsylvania Democrats have generally favorable views of both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. However, Obama receives a larger percentage of unfavorable ratings than Clinton among likely voters in the state.
4. Keystone State Democrats are evenly divided on which of their candidates is more likely to beat John McCain in the general election.
dog, it makes me feel terribly old to think that Mick Jagger could have been on the AARP magazine cover 10 years ago. As I always said of the Stones, there are better R&R bands, but the Stones are still the greatest.
Even Claire McCaskill thinks Obama will lose PA by double digits. 4/04/08
McCaskill thinks Obama will lose PA by double digits
Why would Barack Obama superdelegate Claire McCaskill forecast a huge Hillary Clinton victory in the Keystone state? How does this help her guy?
And what is it with Missouri pols saying things that can cause consternation for their preferred presidential candidate?
Earlier this week, it was Clinton supporter, Congressman Emanuel Cleaver who predicted Barack Obama will be the Democratic nominee and will win in November. (Although other comments weren't flattering to Obama and his aspirations).
Today it was the Missouri junior senator's turn. She was on CNN this morning talking up her guy about 7:30 a.m.
She declined to echo comments from other Obama superdelegates and suggest that Clinton should drop out. She talked about Clinton as a formiable opponent.
She dutifully said Obama will lose Pennsylvania (good strategy for lowering expectations). But then she went further. She said he will probably lose by double digits .
Win in Pa? No wonder people call Obama a fairy tale.
Gee we can save the Obama team a lot of trouble and just repost all their claims about Ohio. Sounds a like their claims about PA....we are winning we are winning
Despite spending 4 million dollars in Pa, Obama has only picked up a few points. Pennsylvania Democrats have generally favorable views of both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. However, Obama receives a larger percentage of unfavorable ratings than Clinton among likely voters in the state.
Obama has already lost. He peaked in February. Indiana and NC once thought safe states are now in jepoardy and Clinton is widening the lead in KY.
The Pa polls that are reliable show her with a double digit lead.
I agree with the comments of dog and Rezdog about the Whalen piece.
I can imagine that some conservative Republicans could view Obama as only a strategic move to strengthen their brand. If Obama won and proved to be ineffective, their prospects would greatly improve for 2012.
Less cynical conservatives may view Obama as much more likely than Clinton to appoint Republicans, thus securing some room for coalition building. As a result of the contentious convention, Clinton will likely be more indebted to the old-guard of the Party (select superdelegates and their allies) and less favorable to inclusion.
Should McCain win, he will sing the same Bush songbook and the death spiral of the conservative movement will continue.
Victory in politics, as in anything, requires a certain confluence of shared interests even if your only goal is to secure your self-interests.
warren - No. 1, may go some toward explaining the phenom, No. 2 might as well - at least it moderates US forces on stock prices - but this runs countery to the usual trends in the market in my limited experience. btw, I note that the Dow has now slipped into negative territory, which is what I would have expected. Frankly, I think the afterglow from the Fed/Bear Stearns coupling is the most likely explanation.
Blaming Clinton for Gore's loss is rediculous.If he had let BC campaign for him he may have done better and if he had won his home state of Tenn. Bush couldn't have stolen the election because Fla. wouldn't have mattered.And he folded on his Eliah Gonzales position
I agree we need to change the party system.I think we need to change the names to:
Conservative
Moderate
Liberal
Guess where every candidate will want to run!
anyone having trouble watching videos on dial up,.i found a way to see them.When the video loads I hit play then I pause it and go about whatever I was doing then check back in an hour and it will play.Sometimes it may take longer but if you really want to see it,that is one solution.I did that with MadMustard"s video of the movie stars and it was beautiful.
Ruth
now if I could only figure out how to keep this site rolling along without having to post a message.
,that would be great.When I first come on this site I can only read the messages up until the time I sign on so if you see me post with just the word testing it is so I can continue reading or maybe trolling as some of you call it
clinton's tax returns are in .....have fun obamaniacs
World Exclusive: 4/4/08 15:43:06 ET
2000-2007 Returns
Feds Taxes Paid: $33.7 million
Charity: $10.2 million
Thanks tz -- hadn't seen that. Joint returns, $109 million income over 7 years; filed extension for 2006.
Per Ben Smith in Politico:
"Long-awaited, they arrive — when else — at 4:00 p.m. Friday.
The Clintons' joint returns show them earning more than $109 million over a period of seven years.
The biggest source of income is Bill Clinton's speeches — source of $51 million. He made another $30 million from books; Hillary made about $10 million from her book.
....
Per spokesman: "What the Clintons' tax returns show is that they paid more than $33,000,000 in federal taxes and donated more than $10,000,000 to charities over the past eight years. They paid taxes and made charitable contributions at a higher rate than taxpayers at their income level."
You can download them, and see a summary, here. They include detailed returns for 2000 through 2006, and the request for an extension for last year.
.....
This is great. Associated Press is running a story about McCain and his wife's money. If your local newspaper allows comments, please post about his current troubles at the FEC and ask people to sign the petition at http://firedoglake.com/
tz, agreed re extensions. I have used them myself, although not recently, ergo the question.
But how long does one get before one has to file the schedules, etc. for 2007? Was not sure it was 6 months; if one got another extension, if need be...
Know you have to pay taxes due upfront, but extensions are a nifty way as well of not having to fully disclose for a while.
OR just a good thing to do while awating further info on the Clintons' investment income details, as they aver in their 2007 summary statement. They expect about $20.4 million in income for last year.
dog
usually its 6 months ....but can be extended again....according to 2007 filings they gave over 2 mil to charity and she donated all he income frome it takes a village to charity
dog, I believe extensions are for 3 months, but can be renewed, essentially indefinitely. The extension is only for filing the return - you have to pay the tax by Apr. 15 or be penalized. The only real impact of an extension is that it reportedly increases your chances of receiving an audit after you file. Makes sense since you are no longer just one of the tidal wave of returns between Jan. 31 and Apr. 15. Their 06 and 05 returns weren't filed until October '07 - don't expect the '07 return before the convention. Tough - I'm sure they aren't going to bend over backward to provide Obama supporters more fodder for snarky comments, but let me know when Obama donates 10% of his gross income to charity.
And dog, they don't administer the trust - that's normally done by bankers or accountants - so they don't control when they get the information, and unlike W-2s, that information doesn't have to be provided by Jan. 31.
OK, we better see grounds for indictments by Monday or STFU.
51 mill for speeches over 7 years ......reagan got 4 mil for 2 speech's and GW's father got 1 mil from kuwait for i speech......thier net income was approx 7 mill per year .....
Like the Bushes learned long ago, one of the best ways to get rich (and stay rich) is to hold high public office. All sorts of people are eager to pay you outrageous sums of money, for a few quiet favors.
(Just ask Marc Rich.)
It's nice to know that Chelsea will never have to work, or her children, or her grandchildren.
They can be senators or governors, if they want, but they'll never have to WORK.
THIS is how Rome degenerated from a republic to an empire: the only way to stop the destructive corruption of the political elites was for an emperor to seize power.
Bush & Cheney just couldn't pull off a coup this time around. But if the Clintons are the best we can do, it's only a matter of time.
pogo: pleading guilty to snarkmongering on the tax returns. I was pleasantly surprised they are joint returns and never expected the full 2007 would be filed at this time.
Subject: FLASH: Congress Votes to Outsource Presidency
Congress Votes to Outsource
Presidency
Associated Press
April 1, 2008
Washington , DC --
Congress today announced that the office of President of the United States of America will be outsourced to India as of April 3, 2008. The move is being made in order to save the President's $500,000 yearly salary, and also a record $521
billion in deficit expenditures and related overhead that his office has incurred during the last seven years. It is anticipated that $231 billion can be saved to the end of the President's term. "We believe this is a wise financial
move. The cost savings are huge," stated Congressman Thomas Reynolds (R-WA). "We cannot remain competitive on the world stage with the current level of cash
outlay," Reynolds noted.
Mr. Bush was informed by e-mail this morning of
his termination. Preparations for the job move have been underway for some time.
Gurvinder Singh of Indus Teleservices, Mumbai , India will assume the office of President as of April 3, 2008. Mr. Singh was born in the United States while his Indian parents were vacationing at Niagara Falls , NY , thus
making him eligible for the position. He will receive a salary of $320 (USD) a month, but no health coverage or other benefits.
It is believed that Mr. Singh will be able to handle his job responsibilities without a support staff.
Due to the time difference between the US and India , he will be working primarily at night. "Working nights will allow me to keep my day job at the Dell
Computer call center," stated Mr. Singh in an exclusive interview. "I am excited about this position. I always hoped I would be President."
A Congressional spokesperson noted that while Mr. Singh may not be fully aware of all the issues involved in the office of President, this should not be a problem as President Bush had never been familiar with the issues either.
Mr. Singh will rely upon a script tree that will enable him to respond effectively to most topics of concern. Using these canned responses, he can address common concerns without having to understand the underlying issue at all. "We know
these scripting tools work," stated the spokesperson. "President Bush has used them successfully for years, with the result that some people actually thought he knew what he was talking about."
Bush will receive health coverage, expenses, and salary until his final day of employment. Following a two-week
waiting period, he will be eligible for $140 a week unemployment for 26 weeks.
Unfortunately he will not be eligible for Medicaid, as his unemployment benefits will exceed the allowed limit.
Mr. Bush has been provided with the outplacement services of Manpower, Inc. to help him write a resume and prepare
for his upcoming job transition. According to Manpower, Mr. Bush may have difficulties in securing a new position due to a lack of any successful work experience during his lifetime. A greeter position at Wal-Mart was suggested.
Once the snow melts up in Maine, your symptoms will improve.
From Wikipedia
Cabin fever is a condition that produces restlessness and irritability caused from being in a confined space. The actual term is slang for a claustrophobic reaction that takes place when a party is isolated and/or shut in, alone or together, for an extended period.
The term originated in the United States at the time when settlers would be snowed into their log cabins and had to wait for the spring thaw in order to travel to town.
Wow - the Clintons gave nearly 10% of their income to charity and the Obamas only around 1%...shoot...Reuters says the average is 3.1%...what's wrong with those Obamas...
My 87 YO mother sent that to me. And she isn't fooled by you know who, she is for Hillary all the way. Follow this link to see one of her favorite pictures.
"Wow - the Clintons gave nearly 10% of their income to charity and the Obamas only around 1%...shoot...Reuters says the average is 3.1%...what's wrong with those Obamas..."
Wendy, weren't they sending it to his grandmother in Kenya to help raise her and her village from poverty?
My 87 YO mother sent that to me. And she isn't fooled by you know who, she is for Hillary all the way.
Posted by: Bowmanc Author Profile Page | April 4, 2008 6:02 PM
Nephew & daughter taken when Hillary was in Nashua campaigning for Bill. A few years later my mom met with Hillary, probably when she was running for Senator in NY, and had her sign the picture.
My mother doesn't hate anyone, that is why she has been an activist democrat all her adult life. That is why she volunteered for the Red Cross during WWII and spent four years on hospital trains helping wounded soldiers as they were transported home from Europe. That is why she was a director of Planned Parenthood in upstate NY helping poor young girls that had no one to turn to. That is why she was mayor of a small rural village in Upstate. That is why we hosted kids from NYC during the 1960's for the Fresh Air Fund. The list goes on. Usually I chose not to engage it the crap slinging that goes on here, but your lousy attempt at humor has pissed me off. You chickenshit post under your real name.
Maybe next time a woman (of any race) or African American man (or any non-white man) runs for president we won't have to belabor the race card and/or the gender issue.
That alone would make this election worth it for me. I can not imagine having to go through all these same issues and arguments again in 4 years.
"But Obama's estimated lead of 164 pledged delegates, when fairly analyzed, is not what it appears to be. Out of that margin, only 16 delegates were earned in primaries, while 148 delegates - fully 94 percent of his lead - were earned through caucuses."
This is not a political statement...it is merely my opinion. Both Hillary and Chelsea have benefited greatly, in the looks department, from Bill's presidency. Whether of necessity or serendipity, both have learned to make the most of their looks. Both can look quite attractive at times, though both can also look quite homely at times. And not one word of that is important in the slightest!
Jamie ,
It seems to work wonders for men....the richer they are, they seem to be more attractive, and they think the women really like them, not the money. Ha!
I heard this old saying once: ( think it's from Jackie O - but not sure)
Marry first time for love
Marry second time for money
Marry third time for companionship
I think they would have to be a regular to keep up with all the posts, and just be here so many times, like on cue. Maybe it's a split personality disorder....or even a multiple personality disorder.
Unlikely...I hope it's Option Three on your list. I'd hate to think anyone is actually out there boiling bunny rabbits based on the stuff that goes on in this space.
Lardass...Thank you for your 7:39 post. I, like you, am heartily sick of our phantom crapper...er, I mean poster.
OD...I think you're being a bit thin-skinned about Chelsea. No one here has come anywhere close to Rush Limbaugh's vile spewings...nor intended them in the same way he does. Rush Limbaugh is a nasty, nasty man...who is to be pitied.
Harbor...like I said a few days back, cutesy anonymous posting has not only jumped the shark at this point, it's been eaten and crapped out by the shark. :)
harborwoman..you are wrong..the personal attacks, insults about physical characteristics, etc. by a small group of people on this site, are as disgusting as Mr.Limbaugh.
You might be amused by these people. I am not.
Todays news has an open letter to McCain - from conservative repubs saying do not use Romney as VP running mate.. They plain do not like Romney..
Yesterday on News and internet- not sure now just which blog I saw it. (TM)? Had article on Lieberman praising McCain and bashing Bo ( Now wasn't Bo supposed to be Lieberman protege?) Lieberman bashed Bo on Iraq position and praised McCain Iraq
position.
Anyone have any ideas as to what cabinet positon Lieberman is sponging for? He sure to be buttering up McNumbnuts.
OD...I am wrong in your eyes.( And, BTW, are your eyes male or female? I can't tell.) But I am not wrong in my eyes. I'm sure it's simply a personality difference, but I let an awful lot of words just roll away, like water off a duck's back. When my buttons get pushed, however, I come out barking, just like you and most everyone else on this blog.
Rez. Thanks for the link. I hadn't heard about that one.
But seriously, I think they've definitely put her on a leash that might even be tighter than Bill's post-South Carolina leash. I'll be curious to see if we get any unscripted soundbites from her at all -- let alone interchanges with press corps.
Please keep me posted on the subject. I do appreciate it.
I am sure that if any of the candidates, their spouses and/or children were in a room with the Trail Mix Blog group that they would be treated with respect and kindness.
Reality is different then a blog......we all know that.
Remember, the rules here are at the discretion of the owner. Over at Stubborn Facts the owner is a Republican. Though not a SOCON, there are some ground rules. If you don't like them, then adios. While I think Free Speech serves a blog like this, the ultimate decision is up to the owner. Dubious links, uncivil disruption and hate speech all constitute things a smart owner prevents. I wouldn't lose sleep over idiots. In fact idiocy is something we need to be reminded of as we debate which dandidate has the best chance to win and unite moderates on both sides of the great divide.
I question the representational value of caucuses. I wonder how much lower the popular vote would be for Obama had Media not played such an unfair role. I guess obscenity is in the eye of the beholder.
Rusia is selling three subs to Chvez to reward NATO for not advnacing into the Georgia and Ukraine. May its time for them to restart their enrichment programs as long as Iran is continuing theirs.
After being silly. The answer to your question is not only yes but they hold regular reunions at Mt. Vernon and are involved in the whole historical recreation program at Mt. Vernon
BTW...I'm hoping Hugo Chavez loves his shiny new Russian submarines so much, he just goes L. Ron Hubbard on us...and leaves the rest of the world alone forever.
And we can rely on Tom Cruise for updates on his whereabouts.
Hi Jamie. Glad you're still in here swinging. I just wish I could be as optimistic as you.
I'm afraid that even if Hillary manages to get elected president, they're still going to be talking about how Obama has all the momentum and should really BE the president!
"L. Ron Hubbard on us...and leaves the rest of the world alone forever."
Chavez will have two more ships in his navy than the Sea Org has in theirs unless they have added to the fleet since buying the La Boheme and renaming her Freewinds.
Craig's rules have always been, personal morality and civility would be a good thing to display in a community.
However, he is one of the most liberal and patient men I have ever encountered and he's only kicked one person off this blog....sorry for the Wince Craig.
The guys was over the top and actually, nothing has compared since.
So, live and let live, work things out, ignore if you don't like, and comment on Craigs Commentaries....oh and "Agree to Disagree". These are the rules.
I'll be dragging myself out of the house at 6:30 am on a Saturday tomorrow to go play Hillary delegate at the county caucus as well as registering the other delegates for four precincts. Busy day and then I get to do it all over again for the County Convention next Saturday.
That is really early Jamie.....wow....very commendable
I really have not even contemplated the idea that BHO could actually win the presidency. I know it can happen, I just, until lately, didn't even want to consider that as an option.
Sheila...I don't think Craig actually "kicked" Fritz out. He just suggested to Fritz that the option of leaving was available. That's different.
Honestly, I don't see what would be lost if Craig instituted a rule of Typekey registration and no anonymous posting. Or...if people want to post anonymously, then don't even let them assign themselves a "clever" name. Just make it a random number or random set of alpha-numeric characters, and then the rest of us can treat it for what it is. Crap.
I wouldn't even mind drive-by posts from truly anonymous folks. It's just the idea that a "regular" here would choose to occassionally cloak posts in that extra layer of anonymity that drives me nuts.
Even back when "free speech" was invented, it still involved actual human beings standing up their malnourished asses on actual soapboxes in poverty-stricken corners of London and taking responsibility for what they said. There was no such thing as "anonymous free speech." Hell, just the fact that most of us here get to post under fake (but still recognizable) handles is anonymity enough for me, way beyond anything the Founders had in mind.
I know I rant about this issue too much. But it drives me crazy.
My Father used different names when he would write to the newspapers, because he said they wouldn't publish the commentaries if they believed they all were written by the same person.
It wasn't a contest. I agree with you and have complained before. The anonymous eponynmous drive me crazy as well since I do believe they are bullies and like most bullies are cowards as well.
You are right that ol' Ben would have registered with Typekey.
Jamie...that's cool. No sweat. I didn't mean to make it a contest either. I found your Ben Franklin links instructive and interesting, and realized my care-worn rant about anonymity is probably full of shit and futile, not to mention anti-American. So I respectfully recede.
You learn something new on Crawfordslist every day. That's why I like it here.
Craig was forced to kick Fritz off. I was there. Not trying to be a know it all and in fact, all of us put our two cents in on the situation. it was a very hard choice for Craig, but he did it.
1952
Thanks Jamie. Did you read this part....from your link:
Debbie Reynolds a star, she had some mixed feelings about the actual making of the film. "Gene Kelly made me work so hard," she revealed in a 1998 interview, "that I'd almost pass out trying to keep up." In another interview she added, “The two hardest things I ever did in my life are childbirth and “Singin' in the Rain”.
I do understand about how you feel. We all do and I bet most of us have emailed Craig about it. But Craig has a sense of what is right for his Blog/our Blog and in the end,
After all this time, it has work. this is why we are a community above all. He makes us get along by say, "This too Shall Pass..." ;0)
The mean spirited jerk face that passes themselves off as three different people....well you have to feel real pity for someone so cowardly and fearful all wrapped into one. Must be a hard place to live.
Sheila...I'll certainly defer to you on that point. I'm sure you remember the particulars better than I do. I must have just misinterpreted some of the nuances of the situation with Fritz.
I am of the belief that every day should be Mothers Day. Forget all the other holidays........they do not compare....and it is btw my most favorite holiday of all .
: )
LL given the track record on the subs they're selling, maybe Hugo should go for a ride and sink. The silent ones Russia is building are the dangerous ones. This might however be an opening for Russia to set up that sub base JFK prevented. I noticed that Hugo nationalized the cement industry.
Sorry for the dual posts about Jamie's Abrams comment. My computer was behaving strangely, and I couldn't see that my comments were posting...or I temporarily (I hope!) lost my mind....
Funny that the early writers like Franklin and Paine used pen names. Wasn't Franklin pretending to be a woman early on? We have a history of this. And it was a game to figure out who might actually be the author.
A political blog should be pretty open, but even Franklin encountered problems and had to set some ground rules. He proposed writers should not try and hurt another...LOL. I guess Randi would be off his paper as well as Wright. As I said, Washington figured out Jefferson's pen name at one point and never forgave him for the libel he printed. Franklin's son was rather extreme too. Franklin was America's first media barron. I think the bill that passed giving journalist protections and not us "unprofessionals" wrong-headed. Madison clearly felt such rights were for the people and a computer constitutes a press these days. Can't say professionals have acted very professional.
Sorry for sounding dumb, but are any of you here cable or news personalities? Forgive my lack of knowledge, but sometimes it sounds you all are rather connected to media in a rather direct way. I haven't taken much time to get beyond your usernames.
"Judge Henry Kennedy, who presides over District Court in Washington, D.C., has granted Larry Sinclair’s motion for discovery and signed an order for subpoenas regarding Sinclair’s defamation lawsuit against three Internet posters.
Sinclair filed suit in March against the posters, whom, he claims, made up and spread lies about his mental state and character after he posted allegations about Sen. Barack Obama in January on YouTube. Sinclair claims to have used drugs and had sex with Obama in 1999.
The judge’s order, Sinclair tells Big Head DC, signals “a whole new inning and a whole new ball game.” The suit, filed in March, reiterates claims Sinclair has made in the past about Obama."
Walt Whitman was an ardent user of pseudonyms.......in letters to editors, reviews of his own poetry.....promotion of himself and his poetry his general aim.......
I'm not in any way connected to the media, Max. And, if your question was prompted by my congratulating Jamie on getting Abrams to respond to her comment, I can tell you that Jamie isn't, either. But she's very good at sending in comments to news programs that the on-air personalities choose for a response. Jamie is very bright, and has excellent writing skills.
Oh Jamie and others are quite smart. Given my comments about media's unprofessionalism, I didn't want to step on any toes. As for my typos it is a bad reflection of my graduating Horace Mann. Better I keep my real name out of it...LOL
bowmanc: the first major league baseball I ever got was hit into the lower box seats during bp at Chicago. Your hero Joe Pepitone hit it: September 12, 1965.
Pepitone 1b 3 0 1 0
White Sox won, 4-1
Greta on Fox tonight says the Mark Penn story is going to have legs.
For those of you who do not know what the mark Penn story is, real clear politics has the story - forgot to get the marker.. Anyhow seems he talked to Columbia about their nafta situation. He says he was talking with them as a member of his Marston - B Company and not as Campaign member as he knew Clinton is dead set against nafta for columbia... And he apologized.
Greta asked what would you do = 76% said he should be fired, as he had a direct conflict of interest.. only a minor amount said no he should not be fired as he had apologized..
Greta seems to think this story will hurt Hillary campaign and will definitely have legs..
I can see Bo already hitting her with it, but then she should make him apologize for Rhodes.
I lost all respect for him with the first name calling of her a B*****. The first Ferraro name calling and Now this - too much.. Sleaze not class.
Julie
"To support the scenario that a lone assassin (Oswald) could fire the purported number of shots within an allotted time frame, the Warren Commission concluded that one of the bullets fired that fateful day hit both Kennedy and Connally. This conclusion came to be known as the "single bullet theory." However, given the location of Kennedy's and Connally's wounds, for the "single bullet theory" to be correct, the bullet would have had to change course several times, behaving in the manner shown in the diagram (below left). The chief architect of the "single bullet theory" was the Warren Commission's ambitious junior counsel, Arlen Specter, now U.S. Senator from Pennsylvania. In the reenactment photo (below right) Specter, with his pointer in hand, attempts to make the "single bullet theory" appear more plausible by deceptively indicating a straight line trajectory for the bullet. "
"The mean spirited jerk face that passes themselves off as three different people....well you have to feel real pity for someone so cowardly and fearful all wrapped into one. Must be a hard place to live. "
ROFL! I don't know who's posting under the fake names, nor do I care, but whoever it is hasn't come close to the ugliness I've seen from some....OR the passive aggressive horsecrap.
>>>>Yawns........Good Morning all.....wait....waving my morning paper till kill that bitter wind.... Better now.
Sturg, here's something for your creative juices. written by a Blog guy. David Allen Waters.
John McCans Running Mate List
John McCain says he's compiling a list of potential running mates that includes "every name imaginable." I think not. Here are a few options he might overlook. Are there others?
1. Dick Cheney. Actually younger than McCain and he's got nearly 8 years of experience as chief executive.
2. Chuck Norris. Mess with us now, bin Laden.
3. Abel Herrero. Texas legislator. A Democrat, but a 'McCain and Abel' ticket would take Texas, Florida and New York.
4. Methuselah. Actually older than McCain.
5. George Clinton. McCain/Clinton ticket would confuse Hillary and Obama voters and put the P-Funk in GOP.
6. Clint Eastwood. Go ahead, bin Laden. Make his day.
7. Ann Coulter. Would prove that McCain isn't just talking like a born-again, right-wing conservative. He's acting like one.
8. Lee Raymond. Retired chairman of Exxon. Can show us all how to make record profits and bonuses in a declining economy.
9. Jon Stewart. Could help McCain find his old straight-talking, maverick self. And if not, at least we'll be able to laugh about it.
10. Donald Trump. If McCain isn't up to the job: "You're fired."
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General Prologue
Here bygynneth the Book of the Tales of Caunterbury
Whan that Aprill, with his shoures soote
The droghte of March hath perced to the roote
And bathed every veyne in swich licour,
Of which vertu engendred is the flour;
Whan Zephirus eek with his sweete breeth
Inspired hath in every holt and heeth
The tendre croppes, and the yonge sonne
Hath in the Ram his halfe cours yronne,
And smale foweles maken melodye,
That slepen al the nyght with open eye-
(So priketh hem Nature in hir corages);
Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages
And palmeres for to seken straunge strondes
To ferne halwes, kowthe in sondry londes;
And specially from every shires ende
Of Engelond, to Caunterbury they wende,
The hooly blisful martir for to seke
That hem hath holpen, whan that they were seeke.
Posted by: sturgeone | April 4, 2008 6:12 AM
Morning Craig,
I think its more like where stragedy and opportunity collide.
A tragedy of mountainous proportions filtered an opportunity for two, while one was planning an eventual run since before 9/11.
Arrogance is also in play here. Has to be in politics. However, the spotlight on New York's drama during 9/11 and its recovery propelled all three into the spot light.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 4, 2008 6:32 AM
Have a grea day ya'll.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 4, 2008 6:32 AM
People seem to forget that Fonda doesn't have a motor in the back of her Honda! LOL!
In honor of April 4th....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rmGGlznSz8
Posted by: Corey
| April 4, 2008 7:20 AM
Two things people might find worthwhile this morning:
--Juan Williams' WSJ op-ed contrasting Mr Obama and Dr King:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120726732176388295.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries
--Imus' broadcast this morning largely focusing on Dr King and the non-violent movement.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 4, 2008 7:29 AM
"..but still she ought to know what a live wire topic she is and be prepared for such things......she had to have seen how they used her in 04........"
Yeah -- It will be used for sure....and I also wish she'd stayed out of it. I don't have much faith in the electorate, I'm sorry to say. When the Rethugs can make John Kerry a coward & a traitor and Max Cleland soft on defense, you gotta wonder.
I talked with my ex (in Vietnam during '67-'68) more during that election than I had in years, because we both remembered cheering John Kerry and other Vietnam vets who were speaking out.
But the feelings were hot enough during the election that my tire got slashed right where my Vietnam Vets for Kerry sticker was...)
Posted by: Patsi
| April 4, 2008 7:37 AM
NY is tough , but I have friends who live there and I think they are nice people. I have seen rude people in Chicago , however.
Posted by: Corey
| April 4, 2008 7:37 AM
I read the WSJ opinion. Not really a very flattering piece. Especially the last line. What would Jesus have done? Left the cheuch. Zing. What suprised me was that this was written by a NPR reporter.
I am just wondering if we really are starting to see the vetting that has been avoided.
Posted by: Bowmanc
| April 4, 2008 7:39 AM
sturge - It's too early for Middle English. It was too early when we read "A Parson's Tale, " etc. in school and it's still too early. Howeverr, methinks thatt anee typos todaye canne be seene as an ode to Chaucer, so thanks be to thee for taking offff the preshurrr.
Posted by: blueINdallas | April 4, 2008 7:42 AM
cheurch??? Everyone better stay away from me, I expect a bolt of lightening will be heading my way soon, if my typing doesn't improve. I hate the keyboards on laptops.
Posted by: Bowmanc
| April 4, 2008 7:44 AM
Even tennis star Roger Federer is following the race for US President.
http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylt=ArEJEH5jftUQEoAXjI_zO0Q4v7YF?slug=ap-federer-politics&prov=ap&type=lgns
Posted by: Corey
| April 4, 2008 7:44 AM
Jamie, from your comment early this morning (well after my bedtime) all I can say is, Stinky is a member of the class of '36. It is truly a special group composed of women who are strong, determined, loving, and deserving of our complete admiration!
Posted by: Flatus
| April 4, 2008 7:44 AM
Flatus -- How did your wife's doctor's visit go?
Posted by: Patsi
| April 4, 2008 7:46 AM
Patsi, it went just fine. A year ago, her liver panel was hinky so her oncodoc started seeing her every three months. Now she'll revert to semi-annual visits. It's been nine years since her bilateral event; we are so lucky!
I think the doc will continue seeing her as long as she is capable of making the journey (age, not illness). And, I hope that is a long, long, time.
Thanks for asking. :))
Posted by: Flatus
| April 4, 2008 7:55 AM
"It's been nine years since her bilateral event; we are so lucky!"
Yes indeed! VERY happy for you! (Can't remember -- weren't you a Navy man? -- if so, I have a funny story)
Posted by: Patsi
| April 4, 2008 7:58 AM
Thanks Craig, the Chaucer was much appreciated, and to you too Chef Hussien- I needed that U2 piece to wake my eyes before the wanderings through WSJ's take on April 4th.
Posted by: w3cubed
| April 4, 2008 8:01 AM
If this didnt get a giggle in your high school class, you were in the wrong high school.......
This Nicholas anon leet fle a fart,
As greet as it had been a thonder-dent,
That with the strook he was almoost yblent;
And he was redy with his iren hoot,
And Nicholas amydde the ers he smoot,
Posted by: sturgeone | April 4, 2008 8:01 AM
Oh, and I forgot. Now the toughest Manhatten gets is that brass bull near Wall Street hooking his horns through the oil-soaked butressed air as the Fed comes to stuff his already over-stuffed belly at 2% interest.
Posted by: w3cubed
| April 4, 2008 8:14 AM
This picture is worth a thousand word
http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2008/04/03/nytfrontpage/20080403POD_6.html
81% of Americans think George Bush sucks (EdVB I know that ii's not what the poll says but if they had asked that question it would be true)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/04/us/04poll.html?_r=1&hp=&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1207311358-E5VRDmd4ZZ+D51zdGp5m5w
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 8:17 AM
Oh, Patsi, bite your tongue. I had six years in the Army and another sixteen in the Air Force. But, I really like jokes at the Navy's expense!
Posted by: Flatus
| April 4, 2008 8:19 AM
good morning gang....
sturg..... LOL!.... gotta love that Chaucer....
EdVB..... so I take it that the Yankees won........ DAMN......
Maxtrue.... I skimmed the posts from last night...... saw your long rant and stopped to read it..... glad that I did..... it was excellent, IMO....
Craig..... hope you're in NYC for a vacation...... and hope you're having fun..... try not to spend too much money.... I know... impossible to do in NYC, but try anyways...
Posted by: RebelliousRenee
| April 4, 2008 8:22 AM
KGC,
The perfect caption for that picture is "Who farted?"
Posted by: Bowmanc
| April 4, 2008 8:25 AM
Sturgeone
Do you read the whole thing in Middle English or just the intro before switching to the stories?
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 8:25 AM
KGC,
The perfect caption for that picture is "Who farted?"
Posted by: Bowmanc
| April 4, 2008 8:25 AM
"surprisingly, the Times/CBS poll shows Americans don't agree with their government's priorities:
In assessing possible responses to the mortgage crisis, Americans displayed a populist streak, favoring help for individuals but not financial institutions. A clear majority said they did not want the government to lend a hand to banks, even if the measures would help limit the depth of a recession. . . .
Respondents were considerably more open to government help for home owners at risk of foreclosure. Fifty-three percent said they believed the government should help those whose interest rates were rising, while 41 percent said they opposed such a move.
And Congress' response? Senate Democrats agreed to give Republicans credit for helping struggling homeowners by accepting a "bipartisan" package of measures strongly tilted towards . . . bailing out lenders and builders! As for homeowners, a key measure Democrats had been pushing to allow bankruptcy courts to restructure mortgages was stripped from the package at Republican insistence and then quickly killed on a 58-36 motion to table, screwing consumers but pleasing the lenders. "
via firedoglake.com
The only way there will be Republican cooperation with Democrats is if there are no Republicans left.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 8:26 AM
bowmanc
and a big smelly one .
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 8:29 AM
Oops! Sorry Flatus! (My ex was an army man, too. And three uncles were Air Force -- WW II fighter pilots....)
My cousin was a Navy pilot, Captain, and a grad of the War College. He'd just married for the third time when he was offered an Admiralcy. He turned it down and retired, saying, "The Navy has already cost me two wives, and it's not going to cost me a third!"
Posted by: Patsi
| April 4, 2008 8:29 AM
"Of course you've seen rude people in Chicago. They were New Yorkers there on business."
Ha! Good one Ed. One time years ago I was treated rudely by a cab driver in Los Angeles. I got pissed and said (indignantly): "Who the hell do you think you are? A New Yorker?"
Posted by: Patsi
| April 4, 2008 8:33 AM
GOP Thinks Obama Has Glass Jaw (Reuters)
"Republicans have been successful at painting Democratic candidates like Al Gore in 2000 and John Kerry in 2004 as too liberal and out of step with everyday voters. But part of Obama's appeal has been his promise to rise above partisan divisions.
Fabrizio said there were dangers for Republicans in Obama's ability to attract new voters and increase turnout, but his record in Illinois on topics like sex education, crime and spending would be fertile territory for researchers.
"In order to bring out those new voters, you have to maintain the same level of excitement. If Obama gets tarnished, that excitement is going to wane" among those voters, Fabrizio said.
"What more are you going to tell the American people about Hillary Clinton? But most Americans didn't even know Barack Obama eight months ago, and there is so much more for them to know."
http://newsmax.com/headlines/clinton_GOP_obama_weak/2008/04/03/85369.html
(If Obama gets tarnished --- there is so much more for them to know. The 527s would educate the voters about Obama, does not have to be true. Rev Wright - GD America, Farrakhan, Ayers, flag pin, pledge of allegiance, hates America, secret muslim, name - Barack Hussein Obama, MO's comments, cocaine, Larry Sinclair, Rezko, extreme liberal, etc.)
Posted by: GORDO | April 4, 2008 8:34 AM
"caption for that picture is "Who farted?""
See Sturgeone's little poem and change Nicholas to George
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 8:37 AM
On my blog I did a reprint of the BBC article from this day 40 years ago as well as the clip of the RFK announcement.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 8:39 AM
"The only way there will be Republican cooperation with Democrats is if there are no Republicans left."
You got that right, KGC. Maybe we can sweep both houses....I sure as hell hope so.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 4, 2008 8:41 AM
(ô¬ô)Dear Craig, Everyone:
You know I love the New York vid Craig being NY born and bred Irish Catholic and die hard Yankees fan. NY is near and dear to my heart and well Hillary is still hanging in if only barely so, but as long as she is there is still hope no matter how slim.
Craig I thought her appearance on Leno was pretty good, I thought her self deprecating humor was pretty funny
Sincerely,
♪(*’-^)-☆ New York New York
Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 4, 2008 8:46 AM
KGC & Patsi....
what we really need is Democrats with a backbone!
god..... it's too early in the day for me to come down with Nashitis......
Posted by: RebelliousRenee
| April 4, 2008 8:47 AM
mornin', all.
I'm sure the vid is great - only wish I could view it.
I went back and couaght up with some of the posts from 5:00 yesterday - Heather, I am glad I could inject a little joy into your day. As I tell my boss, I live to serve.
I still think that some folks are underestimating the voting effect of boomers - now aged 45-63 - and folks older (of course those are falling away due to the natural processes that eventually turn us back to dirt). Remember, boomers were born between 46 and 64, so drawing a line at age 55 si a bit arbitrary and omits half of the boomers from the "oldster" voting demo.
Here's a link to some interesting population graphs from the '00 census.
http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/c2kbr01-12.pdf
And Table C of the following from '04 is also interesting.
http://www.census.gov/prod/2006pubs/p20-556.pdf
Boomers and olders were 50% of the population and 57% of the voters. Now I know more younger voters are registering and voting in the primaries - a good thing I reckon, but we still hold the power.
Sturg, goode lorde, you are on this fine morning. lol
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 8:51 AM
On the previous thread there was some mention of vetting for Sen Obama and I do have one question that has been nagging at me from the beginning. This isn't snark, if anyone knows the answer I would really be interested.
Political campaigns are expensive. Politicians wanting to run on a state or national level spend years building up war chests, particularly if they are changing from one level to another (House to Senate for example). Sen Obama ran for Il Senate 1996, ran for U.S. House 2000 (failed), ran for U.S. Senate 2004 and is running for President in 2008.
To my knowledge neither he nor his wife are independently wealthy, yet it has been written that a year before this latest campaign began, after only two years in the Senate, he was setting up state organizations in preparation for the run for the Presidency. Where has the money come from for 12 years of non stop campaigning? Were the state organizations based in the churches and basically free at the beginning? How did he put it together or who put it together for him?
Anybody have any details? (Stop waving your hand Gordo, I'm not calling on you).
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 8:55 AM
Doesn't seem like arrogance so much as a bad case of the gimme gimmes ... and she could've picked that bad habit up in Arkansas and DC too.
No matter where you're from, I can't imagine you develop a taste for being knocked around by "inexperienced" upstarts after you spend eight years being a member of the First Family and the Dem standard for the "golden years" pre-Bush Administration.
Hope NYC was fun!
Posted by: kristina
| April 4, 2008 8:56 AM
KGC,
The Accuracy Police are always willing to give a Hyperbole Hall Pass as long as casual readers can see the footnote.
Renee,
No gloating. Just happy with the win. We got to see Joba the Great, and then have Mariano close them out with the tying run on third. Sports radio's talking heads call them meaningless games in April, but they all count in the final standings.
I've got a full schedule from now through June, but my crazy cousin can't wait to get back down there. Of course he's got the perfect formula for Yankee Stadium trips. He drinks, and I drive. I'm going to read a while here, then go take a nap.
Posted by: EdVB
| April 4, 2008 8:56 AM
Pogo -- I can't view videos or YouTube either. Dang!
Posted by: Patsi
| April 4, 2008 8:57 AM
Obama Adviser Calls for 60,000-80,000 U.S. Troops To Stay in Iraq Through 2010
"In “Stay on Success: A Policy of Conditional Engagement,” Mr. Kahl writes that through negotiations with the Iraqi government “the U.S. should aim to transition to a sustainable over-watch posture (of perhaps 60,000–80,000 forces) by the end of 2010 (although the specific timelines should be the byproduct of negotiations and conditions on the ground).”
The political ramifications of the disclosure are yet to be seen. The perception of a harder line in Iraq could help Mr. Obama combat charges by Senator McCain in a general election that Mr. Obama favors a hasty surrender and retreat in Iraq. But it could hurt the Obama campaign with anti-war voters in the Democratic primaries. "
http://www.nysun.com/news/national/obama-adviser-calls-60000-80000-us-troops-stay-iraq-through-2010
Posted by: GORDO | April 4, 2008 8:58 AM
Hyperbole Hall Pass
May I have one for the day?
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 8:59 AM
So much for the longest continual period of job growth since the nation has kept such figures that Dumya loves to brag about. I wonder if Wall
Street will continue yesterday's insanity and react positively to this report?
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/business/politics-usa-economy-jobs.html?hp
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 9:03 AM
Jamie, for examle, is here supporting a candidate.Not trying to control the party. Max and Warren both assume they can determine the fate of a party they've already rejected.
Posted by: warren
| April 4, 2008 9:04 AM
By the way, the place that Randi Rhodes said the following was at an Obama supporters event, advertised on Obama's website. Why isn't the media demanding an apology from him? Can you IMAGINE the outcry if something similar had happened at a Hillary rally?
Rhodes: "What a whore Geraldine Ferarro is! She's such a f**king whore. . Hillary is a big f**king whore, too. You know why she’s a big f**king whore?"
Posted by: Patsi
| April 4, 2008 9:05 AM
"The Navy has already cost me two wives, and it's not going to cost me a third!"
Patsi, military life is terribly hard on families. I thought things were better when most families lived on base; there was always someone right there who understood and could share a person's misery.
I never talked about work at home. Our kids thought I was a cook, which really impressed them, and accounted for my odd hours.
Every once in a while we'd have a get together, with the spouses, where we'd all get snockered--the spouses in one room and the rest of us in the kitchen. It was a major opportunity to decompress.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 4, 2008 9:07 AM
As they stand up, we will stand down.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/04/world/middleeast/04iraq.html?hp
Right.
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 9:09 AM
[damn - mistake up there]
Patsi:
"Jamie, for examle, is here supporting a candidate.Not trying to control the party. Max and Warren both assume they can determine the fate of a party they've already rejected."
Talk about hyperbole - you should be a freaking lawyer Patsi. I thought I was just trying to support the candidate I believe will make the best President (and the Democratic candidate that I think has the best chance to get elected).
And the only thing I have rejected Patsi is blind partisan-ship.
Posted by: warren
| April 4, 2008 9:10 AM
EdVB, Heather, and anyone else - Let's Go Yankees!!
Posted by: warren
| April 4, 2008 9:13 AM
" military life is terribly hard on families."
Yes....in my cousin's case, he was gone ALL the time. And he knew that being an Admiral meant ship duty. Although I never quite understood how going from pilot to a ship quite made sense.....
Posted by: Patsi
| April 4, 2008 9:23 AM
KGC,
You've got an all day pass from me, but my jurisdiction is pretty small. If you get caught exaggerating below Yonkers, I'll help you make bail, but you could be in trouble.
Warren & Heather,
We have some other Yankee fans hanging around C-List, and should hear from them as the year goes on. I urge cautious optimism. Renee, Bear, and other Sox fans, have a lot more to brag about in the 21st century than we do.
Sign that the apocalypse may be near: The Yankee fans in front of me last night had strong Boston accents. Either that, or they were speaking French.
Posted by: EdVB
| April 4, 2008 9:25 AM
Glad I taught Li'l Pogo better - I bought him his strat.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2008-04-03-guitar-pants_N.htm
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 9:27 AM
"Where has the money come from for 12 years of non stop campaigning?"
Jamie...I don't have details...but clearly much of it has come from friends like Rezko...note that over time every time he talks about how much money he got from Rezko...the number goes up...sometimes doubles. Of course Rezko is not the only one...I'm sure there are other shady friends that financed all those campaigns (what is it 6 in 12 years?).
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 4, 2008 9:27 AM
Jamie -----------------------
There is a large and sinister group behind Obama. But why try to explain - would just get the "tin foil" comments. This group has power because people are not willing to just open their eyes and look at events. You asked important questions. If Obama became POTUS, this country and planet would experience "Hell on Earth".
OK everyone, start with the snide remarks.
Posted by: GORDO | April 4, 2008 9:30 AM
I have been a lifelong Yankees fan. My first trip to the Stadium was in 63 or 64 for Old Timers Day. I still have my plastic batting helmet from that day. Joe Pepitone was my hero, lefty playing first base. If my memory is correct he hit two homers that day. Mantel, Maris, Tresh, it was probably the most exciting day of my young life.
Posted by: Bowmanc
| April 4, 2008 9:35 AM
Jamie,
Last month the Obama campaign got $40 million. There were something like 400,000 donations.
Posted by: Nancy | April 4, 2008 9:38 AM
EdVB:
The new bronx cheer to rile up those Red Sox fans (since a lot of them also like the Pats) is - 18 and 1!!!
Just to remind them that another New York team ripped away their perfect season.
(I know it is not half as good at 1918....that was a sad day when we lost that cheer - but it should piss off plenty of Red Sox fans nonetheless ; )
Posted by: warren
| April 4, 2008 9:44 AM
obama recieved twice the amount in donations
he is spending twice as much in pa.
and he is still behind in penn polls and losing ground
in national polls ''
that should be the story
Posted by: mqw | April 4, 2008 9:46 AM
The only thing I like about NYC is "Law and Order."
Sam Waterson should have run.
Posted by: nash
| April 4, 2008 9:46 AM
Nancy
I'm aware of the on line sources for this past year. What I am questioning is the support before he became a nationally known commodity.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 9:47 AM
mqw:
Obama "losing ground in national polls"? Is that based on the last 15 minutes?
Get real buddy - HRC was the one with 20-30 points leads when this primary race began....
HRC will not lose her hard core supporters (a lesson I have learned over and over again from this blog) - but she topped out a long time ago.
Posted by: warren
| April 4, 2008 9:50 AM
CBS/Times Poll: Obama's Support Erodes
"Senator Barack Obama’s support among Democrats nationally has softened over the last month -- particularly among men and upper-income voters," the Times reported on its Web site.
The paper suggested that Obama hit "something of a peak in February" and his seen a slow decline since then.
Obama's large lead with Democratic male voters has totally evaporated."
http://newsmax.com/insidecover/times_poll_obama_cbs/2008/04/03/85364.html
Posted by: GORDO | April 4, 2008 9:58 AM
In connection with MLK's loss: NYTimes story on the Penn Center on St. Helena's Island, South Carolina, a respite for Dr. King during the turbulent 60s. Penn Center founded to educate freed slaves in 1862, predates Emancipation; provided education, social services and solace over the years.
Slide show worth the click if you never read the full article.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/04/us/04retreat.html
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 4, 2008 10:00 AM
Warren
I guess Indiana doesn't count where he had a ten point lead. And now she has closed the gap in SC
You must have flunked rules of evidence several times.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 10:05 AM
Jamie, neither of these articles is in Gordo's tin foil hat territory:
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2006/11/0081275
Barack Obama Inc.:
The birth of a Washington machine
http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=529&Itemid=1
Holding Barack Obama Accountable
Posted by: Patsi
| April 4, 2008 10:05 AM
Hi everyone. My Royals are incredibly off to a 3-0 start after a road sweep of the Tigers. Even though it's only April 4, the standings showing them in first place in the AL Central is for sure clip-n-save material! I'll be in KC next Tuesday to watch them take on the Yanks in their home opener.
"What gives Lardass the right to take Sheila to task for her vote...in any election? "
Harborwoman...saw your post from 2:26 a.m. on the other thread, and wanted to clarify that I wasn't "attacking" or "taking to task" Sheila last night for voting for Ronald Reagan back in 1980. I just seemed to recall that she had, and thought it appropriate and fair that she make that qualifier part of her latter-day odes to Jimmy Carter. That's all. We traded a couple punches over it, she explained what happened, and that was that. Not sure if you read the dayside threads, but I just wanted to make sure you didn't think I was ignoring you.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 4, 2008 10:05 AM
Warren....
nope..... you can't get the goat of this Red Sox and Patriot fan......
EdVB..... I strongly resemble that Yankee fan.... well..... except for the French speaking part..... I know, I know..... when I was in Quebec last week, I bought a pair of shoes and paid with my credit card..... after signing it, the clerk noticed my VERY French name.... she started teasing me about the fact that I was speaking English......
Posted by: RebelliousRenee
| April 4, 2008 10:06 AM
One contender for today's irony award.
Ruling Finds EEOC Misclassified Workers As Exempt
Portfolio Media, New York (April 3, 2008)--In an ironic turn of events for the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, an arbitrator has found that the agency violated a federal labor law by misclassifying some of its own investigators and mediators as exempt from overtime compensation.
Arbitrator Stephen M. Wolf determined that the EEOC made a mistake when it changed the status of certain investigators and mediators to exempt under the Fair Labor Standards Act's administrative exemption, according to a March 23...
Sorry I don;t have a link.
In national polls, it looks to me like Obama is leading Clinton by 3% for the Dem nomination, and both Clinton & Obama are leading McNumnuts by 5% in polls for the general. Obama and Clinton have been within 7 pts of each other since early February, the day after SuperDuper Tuesday.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/104695/Gallup-Daily-Tracking-Election-2008.aspx
http://www.gallup.com/poll/105529/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Edges-Ahead-Clinton.aspx
Anything before that is bullsh*t.
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 10:07 AM
obama raised 55 million in febuary''' 40 million in
march'''is that a trend down?
looks like the college kids and young people have
just about maxed out thier parents credit cards
""buddy""
Posted by: mqw | April 4, 2008 10:07 AM
This little shit for brains is always talking about the troops and standing up for them.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/04/rep-mchenry-calls-us-soldier-in-iraq-a-two-bit-security-guard/
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 10:14 AM
Most recent polls have Hillary & Obama tied in PA.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/03/pennsylvania-primary-poll_n_94943.html
Posted by: nash
| April 4, 2008 10:16 AM
But just for grins, since the beginning of February the largest gap was 13 points, on SDT.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/104437/Gallup-Daily-Tracking-Election-2008.aspx?version=print
And Clinton did indeed have a 20 point edge for 2 days - in mid January, up from 8 points a week and a half before.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/104107/Gallup-Daily-Tracking-Election-2008.aspx
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 10:16 AM
Here is a link to the PA polls - from January forward.
http://www.pollster.com/08-PA-Dem-Pres-Primary.php
As nash said, they are tied - w/n the MOE in the last 2 polls reported.
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 10:22 AM
And now for today's contribution to civilized politcal discourse, Air America's Randi Rhodes calls Hillary a "big fucking whore."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/03/air-america-host-randi-rh_n_94863.html
Posted by: nash
| April 4, 2008 10:25 AM
btw, nash, 2 of 4 over 3 days isn't usually characterized as "most".
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 10:26 AM
Warren,
"18 and 1" is clever, but I'm afraid I didn't do a good job delivering my message. I like to kid with Renee and other friends, who are Red Sox fans, but actual trash talk is not my style. I root for my team, not against the other guys.
Seeing the passion you show for your candidate here on C-List, my way probably sounds boring to you, but I recommend it as a secret to living a long and healthy life.
A bad decision by one of my kids may raise my blood pressure, but if a Yankee pitcher grooves a fastball in Manny's wheel-house, I've usually forgiven the pitcher's mistake by the time Manny touches home. Of course that gives me about three minutes for rage. That's plenty.
My earliest baseball memory is seeing the newscast announcing that Joe D was retiring. That puts me a few years ahead of Bowmanc. On my first trip to the stadium I think I was 9 or 10, which would have made it 1955 or '56. Jackie Jensen was in Centerfield for the Red Sox and Vic Wertz was in their lineup playing first base. I could tell you the entire Yankee line-up but I don't want to bore our other readers. I'll just mention the lesser knowns, Joe Collins at first and Andy Carey at third.
After this brief interlude, feel free to get back to politics.
Posted by: EdVB
| April 4, 2008 10:29 AM
nash, you been asleep? That was run up and down the flagpole here yesterday. HuffGobama keeps looping it because the like the sound of anyone calling Hillary anything unflattering. Air America wasn't so amused - and it takes a lot to get their dander up.
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 10:29 AM
pogo: Hillary's support in PA is trending downward and there's still two weeks to go. We'll probably start hearing spin from her campaign about why a loss there won't be so bad.
Posted by: nash
| April 4, 2008 10:32 AM
pogo: I missed the Randi Rhodes discussion yesterday. I just saw it on HuffPo and thought it was a new posting.
I just think it's really nice that liberals can make complete asses of themselves too. Why let Limbaugh and his buddies have all the fun?
Now I have to get back to sleep.
Posted by: nash
| April 4, 2008 10:35 AM
I really don't know exactly what to make of this - but I've never heard of a candidate's campaign manager asking a p.r. firm to help a church out witth its p.r. mess or of a p.r. firm doing pro bono work - although I expect hat they may from time to time. I know thi isn't a constitutional church-state violation, but it's sure a church-politics connection that's a bit hinky.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/top_obama_adviser_suggested_ou.php
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 10:37 AM
EdVB:
Your way does not sound boring to me. I am for the most part a pretty easy going guy. And I agree it is the key to a long and healthy life. Stress is the biggest killer if you ask me. I think it has a horrible impact on the body and also leads to bad habits.
But I also like to mix it up - especially when it comes to over-zealous Red Sox fanatics or rabid Clintonites.
(And I am going to keep that passion up for the general election no matter which Dem gets the nominee - because my strong belief that McCain's Foreign Policy will keep us on the misguided and short-sighted path that Bush and Co. has set us down.)
Posted by: warren
| April 4, 2008 10:39 AM
nash, I agree that the polls show her support trending downward in PA. I guess that bus tour is helping - along with the profligate campaign spending, but for whatever reason, Obama does appear to be narrowing the race there.
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 10:39 AM
Could also be the Big Fat Lies he is telling about how he doesn't take money from lobbyists.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 10:41 AM
"(And I am going to keep that passion up for the general election no matter which Dem gets the nominee - because my strong belief that McCain's Foreign Policy will keep us on the misguided and short-sighted path that Bush and Co. has set us down.)"
warren - 10:39
NOW you're talking warren - throw in the judiciary angle and you've got 2/3 of a g.e. trifecta.
I think they call this common ground.
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 10:42 AM
kc, or that. ;-)
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 10:43 AM
Pennsylavaniua is gonna be the 2nd Ohio..
Big lead, evaporating (according to pollsters) and then winning by 10+ poinst.
The big story today imo is Indiana.....wasn´t he ahead there?
Posted by: Jason | April 4, 2008 10:46 AM
Jason,
Yep - by 15 points in Feb..
http://www.pollster.com/08-IN-Dem-Pres-Primary.php
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 10:48 AM
I became a Yankees fan during the Mattingly and Winfield days (in FL of all places). But my family was from the NE and I used to visit my grandmother on Long Island and watch the Yankees on WPIX (11). I loved going up there cause the Yankees were on TV all the time. (In FL, I only got Cubs and Braves games on a regular basis).
And the best thing was that the family of my best friend was from Boston - so I have been engaged in that rivalry from my early days. Back in the days when Mattingly was battling for the batting title with Wade Boggs (and often losing....that Boggs was pretty good).
Anyways, the rivalry is much more bitter these days than it was in the past. And often gets pretty nasty at Yankee stadium. I still try to keep my verbal jabs humorous and do my best to not be too offensive (since there are plenty of young Yankee fans at the stadium).
(I can be as good a defusing tension as I am at creating it ; )
Posted by: warren
| April 4, 2008 10:49 AM
oh hell' mccain won't be so bad''
maybe he won't nuke anybody
Posted by: mqw | April 4, 2008 10:49 AM
Finally - some hard news:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080404/ap_on_en_mu/people_kevin_federline
Posted by: warren
| April 4, 2008 10:50 AM
Patsi,
Thanks I had read one of the articles, but not the Harpers. I'll need more data, but it looks as if the super liberal and/or politically naive are being heavily manipulated by those with huge dollar signs in their eyes.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 10:53 AM
mqw:
You don't have to nuke people to create enemies.
Everytime I hear "civilian casualty" - I think - oh boy - we have just created at least 20 lifelong enemies of the US (i.e., all the family and friends of that individual - not too mention all the additional people they can convince to hate the US with their horrible story).
And McCain can call out Obama all he wants for "distorting" his position. McCain can't hide from the fact that he said we may be in Iraq for 100 years. And McCain is also no better than Bush at articulating what the hell "victory" in Iraq means.
And back to his 100 years comments. Does he really think we can keep a US presence in the Iraq - which will be wrongly or rightly characterized as an "occupying force" by enemies of the US - and NOT take casualties. Talk about naive....
Iraq is not turning into Germany anytime soon...
Posted by: warren
| April 4, 2008 10:56 AM
You see Pogo,
A 21 point difference and NO FUCKING MSM IS REPORTING THAT!
If is were reversed...everyone would be jumping up and down saying: Hillary should quit now... CNN has now headline that they are tied in Indiana, but not reporting that King Obama was ahead for many months by double digits...if it were reversed.....
feel the anger coming back on...maybe I need a
kumbaya moment now.
Best political team on TV my #$%&
Posted by: Jason | April 4, 2008 11:04 AM
Don't get your hopes up Obamakids about PA...Hillary has taken a little hit in a couple of polls due to Bosnia flack...she's making light of it, it's dying down, she has two weeks before PA primary and will bounce back.
SurveyUSA has one of the best track records going and has her up 12% - post Bosnia.
Remember a couple of polls had Obama taking CA by double digits...that didn't happen.
Remember a couple of polls had Obama beating Hillary by 9% in New Hampshire...that didn't happen.
Bosnia thing will die down...Obamabowl-a-rama will make those working class guys think twice and Hillary will take PA
I agree with Jason...the story is about Obama losing in IN.
:-D
Must go get the classroom technology up and running.
TTFN
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 4, 2008 11:12 AM
Take a chill jason, and go to Pollster.com and look at the upcoming primary links - they will make you feel better.
See, warren, more common ground, although I became a Yankees fan in the Mantle, Maris, etc. era., but started following the Red Sox in the 80s when I lived in NH, and then the Tribe when I married a southern belle from Cleveland in the 90s - and have never dropped one of those from my list of favorite teams - when they play each other, I just drink an extra couple of beers and smile no matter who wins. I obviously have a high capacity for cognitive dissonance - at least when it comes to baseball (and to politics, albeit to a much lesser degree).
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 11:14 AM
BTW
SurveyUSA got CA exactly right
;-)
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 4, 2008 11:14 AM
Wendy! - :-)
I'm not getting too excited about IN although I like the trend there. Obama will blitz the place and cover it with money - lord knows he's got plenty to do that with -between now and the election, and I expect those polls to change like PA's are doing.
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 11:18 AM
PS -- EuroTom -- I have a great postcard that I designed and sent out hundreds for Harold during his senate campaign -- if I email it to you could you put it somewhere on your blog for a few days so Flatus and some other Harold fans could see? I think they'd get a kick out of it.
Posted by: Patsi | April 3, 2008 8:07 PM
Patsi, send it on! You got my email right? eurotom At GEE MAIL dot com
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 4, 2008 11:19 AM
Since Sturgeone started us off with the Prologue, I'll toss in a referential line tribute to The Miller's Tale courtesy of Procol Harem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMH4XOoYxmQ
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 11:19 AM
Wendy:
I am not getting my hopes up for PA (too much). I don't put too much stock in polls - especially this far out from the actual election.
(That is why I think it is assinine to look at polls re: the general election right now and attempt to make hard and fast conclusions).
Despite what you may think, I am a realist (even though I am also an eternal optimist). I think HRC is still in the driver's seat in PA. And although a win or a close one in PA would almost wipe out HRC's chances for the nomination - I will be satisfied with Obama just preventing a blow out.
The biggest thing to watch coming out of PA will be the popular vote. HRC needs a big win to give her a chance to catch up to Obama in terms of the popular vote. And someone tell Wolfson - making it close ain't gonna cut it. She will need to finish with more votes to even have a chance at getting a super majority of super D's.
Posted by: warren
| April 4, 2008 11:23 AM
chill pill taken....
All is ok.. Going ot start chapter two of my dissert.
Stay good gang.
Groeten vanuit Amsterdam
(Greetings from Amsterdam)
Posted by: Jason | April 4, 2008 11:28 AM
warren, McCain misses a few of the distinctions between Iraq and the other places we left occupying or peacekeeping forces. We defeated and disarmed Germany and Japan, had ceremonies and all that stuff, and settled into peaceful co-existence after that occurred - we defended South Korea against North Korea, and drew a demarcation line between the two Koreas and stay behind it as a defensive force for SK despite the fact that SK has avery large, strong army of its own. We also have become one of if not the most important market for each of those country's goods in international commerce. There are no warring factions, large scale militias run by fanatics or serious religious divides in those countries, and they all have relatively strong central governments, all forged in the aftermath of WWII (and in Korea's case, during the Cold War under our tutelage). They are all major industrial nations, and among the largest and strongest economies in the world.
Iraq has oil, three strong and opposing factions seeking to control the country or a large part of it, a central government without enough strength to get out of its own way, an army that can't stand up to the militias even under our support and is dominated by religious strife. We will be taking causalties for the foreseeable future if we stay there.
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 11:34 AM
"John McCain may not have a clue about what's going on in Iraq, but he's certainly seen those poll numbers."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/want-a-taste-of-the-mccai_b_94759.html
Ms. Huffington may have a point in this article - but the Dems really need to stay away from such flip comments re: McCain like the one above.
I think Rachel and Keith-O are plenty smart - but they always go overboard on McCain because they are blinded by hatred for anything related to Bush. (btw, I am not defending Bush - just thinking about strateegery...).
Oh well - I guess pundits are paid to over-react....
But the Dems have enough legitimate ammunition against the GOP and McCain - and should stay away from petty and insulting points....(leave that to us folks on the blogs ; )
Posted by: warren
| April 4, 2008 11:35 AM
http://www.cartoonistgroup.com/store/add.php?iid=22720
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 11:44 AM
The media should be neither Democratic or Republican. You should have been complainng about their behavior all along. But when it was working you and your candidate...crickets.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 11:44 AM
"Iraq has oil, three strong and opposing factions seeking to control the country or a large part of it, a central government without enough strength to get out of its own way,"
Which is why Biden will prove to be right in the end. Iraq was an artificial British construct basically held together by a series of dictators.
Now that we have taken down Saddam, the construct is falling apart. The only way we will get out is to either put "our guy" in place to stomp on the citizens and act as the opposition to Iran (right back where we started except for 4,000 American deaths, a few trillion American dollars, and 100,000 + Iraqi deaths) or we can act as the moderator to let it divide up naturally into three or four parts.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 11:48 AM
KGC:
I am simply giving some suggestions as to how the media can keep working for my candidate.
I want Obama to have as much support in the media as possible. That way they can help de-bunk all the misinformation contained in the eventual 527's and GOP attacks.
I am just saying that when they go overboard (as they have done with Clinton as well) they are counter-productive.
(Having an "objective media" is about as big a pipe dream as Bush being a "compassionate conservative.")
The only way the media will not be either Dem or Repub - is when the American people become a little less partisan. Until then - the media will keep serving up red and blue meat since that is what the people want....
Posted by: warren
| April 4, 2008 11:52 AM
warren, that's Arianna's schtick - she was one of the original modern snarky commentators. She takes a side and peppers the other other side alternately with facts and putdowns. She did it as a conservative, did it as a liberal when she became one, and has done it as an Obama supporter. The majority of the content of the piece is sound, but the soundbites are the takeaways, and while they might appeal to her readers, up her hit rate and ad revenue, they are not good strategically for dems in the upcoming election.
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 11:54 AM
No doubt pogo. Smart people often fall into the trap of thinking everyone that does not agree with them must be stupid.
Posted by: warren
| April 4, 2008 11:59 AM
I want Obama to have as much support in the media as possible. That way they can help de-bunk all the misinformation contained in the eventual 527's and GOP attacks
Do you still believe in Santa
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 12:01 PM
jamie, that's probably exactly right - and that final option will absolutely not happen under a McCain presidency, and I'm not sure it will happen under either a Clinton or Obama presidency, either.
And warren, if you get Arianna - and you have - that's what you're going to get. She sees the world in extremes as badly as Bush - even though she's been on both sides of the dichotomy she sees. You would think that might result in moderation - and you would be wrong. Her value is with the base - his need is in the middle - he'll have to look to other commentators to appeal to his need.
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 12:01 PM
It is somewhat amusing that the same people who have been pontificating about the impending end of the Hillary campaign for many months, don't learn from their past blatantly inaccurate pronouncements.
Perhaps they should learn from their past mistakes and be a little less certain.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | April 4, 2008 12:03 PM
Morning all...well, good afternoon to all you east coasters...
Patsi...I'm genuinely curious as to your psych credentials. Every time anyone disagrees with you, we get some sort of diagnosis that's "very troubling" to you. I spent 28 years working in juvenile corrections, and have had a lot of training that included much on what constitutes enabling behavior, but I don't recall that it included pointing out when people make remarks they KNOW will restart something they claim they want to END.
Lardass...I did see the back and forth between you and Sheila yesterday. You were simply an example in my little tirade last night. But I will say that, given my (high) opinion of your intellect, your comments to Sheila surprised me. It just seems to me that she should be praised for her openness to information, instead of being taken to task for NOW thinking someone she didn't vote for way back when is a really good human being. I know I regret some of my votes from decades past, and wish I'd been as well-informed then as I think I am now.
It always surprises me that those who are registered party members think that those of us who are not should somehow have less say in who is going to govern us. I get that the two parties want to control who their nominee is, and I agree with that intellectually, but NOT if it means those of us who choose to remain independent are left out of the process.
Posted by: harborwoman
| April 4, 2008 12:03 PM
warren, yer right about that - I know when I'm thinkin' I'm pretty smart, I think that way.
Now to lunch.
As they say, TTFN.
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 12:04 PM
EdVB, Renee, and baseball fans everywhere...
Yankees? Red Sox? Diamondbacks?
Pffftttt................................
GO, MARINERS!!!!!
Posted by: harborwoman
| April 4, 2008 12:07 PM
No York, indeed!
It looks as if the term ‘subway series’ will only apply to baseball.
Thankfully for the remainder of the country it’s like a shot of ‘roids.
Posted by: MadMustard
| April 4, 2008 12:07 PM
Randi Rhodes - wow - and she only got suspended?
It really is disconcerting to me when women speak like pigs. (No offense toward the pig animal intended)
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 4, 2008 12:13 PM
Air America, including Randi Rhodes, has become a vulgar, out-of-control pro-Obama, Anti-Hillary rant.
Earlier this week I took my HIllary signs and walked outside the Clear Channel in Southwest Portland. The Air America station and the right wing station are Clear Channel here.
I was unaware of the latest Randi Rhodes incident.
I'm going back this afternoon with sign and umbrella in hand.
I'm going to Hillsboro tomorrow, hoping to get into the Hillary rally at Libverty High School. She will be in Eugene later in the day.. Hillsboro is a Portland suburb in Washington County..a swing county here.
It is avery good decision to go to Washington County.
I
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | April 4, 2008 12:20 PM
I'm getting more and more disillusioned with Barack Obama.
This week he appeared on the Ed Shultz show on our local Air America station.
Shults has become part of the anti-Hillary fringe nuts who attack her on a daily basis...personal attacks, using terms like Clintonista referring to Hillary supporters, etc..
Obama heaved praise and appreciation on Shultz, the former? Reagan Republican..
Schultz told Obama that Schultz is is here fighting for him every day..No wonder the station,like the now defunct Sacramento station, is losing advertisers and is running more and more public service announcements.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | April 4, 2008 12:25 PM
Another Pennyslyvania voter speaks
"Dereck Cummings is an openly gay man and a former Jehovah's Witness who says he isn't in the habit of judging other people on their lifestyles or religion.
But Cummings can't shake the feeling that there's something worrisome in the incendiary sermon highlights, something that keeps nagging at him as he tries to decide how to vote in his state's Democratic primary election in April.
If that's been your priest for that many years, it affects who you are," said Cummings, an assistant store manager in this suburban shopping mecca outside Philadelphia. "Those thoughts come across, Sunday after Sunday, and that just scares me."
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 12:30 PM
And here's some perspectives from American Thinker
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/04/rezko_sleaze_engulfs_governor.html
Pats, I am loyal to the New Democrats as envisoned by Clinton, I am not loyal to the NeoLiberals who have highjacked the party. Unlike some, I do have my principles and no amount of partisanism is going to make me renounce them. I Left a post last night to answer your comments. Perhaps such "Independence" can pressure the Party to return to sanity rather than set the stage for a GOP take-over in 2012.
I rather doubt Warren will vote for McCain over Hillary, do you?
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 4, 2008 12:36 PM
Some questions I have been asking too.
http://www.pr-usa.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=93208&Itemid=31
Think Obama can answer clearly and honestly?
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 4, 2008 12:39 PM
" I get that the two parties want to control who their nominee is, and I agree with that intellectually, but NOT if it means those of us who choose to remain independent are left out of the process."
HW, Should actual multi parties ever be formed, there would be nothing to prevent them from nominating and endorsing the chosen candidate of one of the other parties. This is really quite common in countries with parliaments.
It really isn't fair for those who do not support a party platform to be able to select the standard bearer for that party.
This almost happened with The Reform Party and Ross Perot. Unfortunately, the two major parties have such a death grip on the electoral process that it is very hard for third parties to form and remain viable on the national level though a few such as green, independent, and even Socailist (good ol' Bernie Sanders) manage at the house or state level.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 12:42 PM
Balanced reporting in the media?
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2008/04/04/mlk-shooting-day-krauthammers-stories-slay-saint-obama
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 4, 2008 12:44 PM
And he is frequently bitterly funny -- not bitterly mean. There is a difference.
Posted by: dog hussein dog
Posted by: NOT ROFLMAO | April 4, 2008 12:48 PM
Patsi...
Diagnosis, please. What psychological condition do you have that you respond to inquiries with snotty one-liners designed to continue the very conversations you decry?
Posted by: harborwoman
| April 4, 2008 12:49 PM
McCain gets booed today during MLK speech
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/04/mccain-mlk-heckle/
McCain is having a bad day. He also is returning money due to his problems with the FEC
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 12:51 PM
"(Having an "objective media" is about as big a pipe dream as Bush being a "compassionate conservative.")"
I don't care if they are objective, I just want them to be like the old newspapers they replaced. Their news should be "news", but all their editorial stuff should be easily identifiable. If MSHBO wants to drool for Sen. Obama, just don't pretend that isn't spindrool dripping off of KO's chin. That way CNN can give up any pretense of balance and jump whole hog into being the Clinton News Network while that wiley coyote FOX McCain can slash and burn to their hearts content.
The realists amongst us can just watch original footage on C-SPAN
Classic example just happened on MSNBC ... Hillary "poached" an anecdote from Ronald Reagan. The FACT that the joke was probably older than Reagan when HE used it, doesn't keep them from slamming Hillary.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 12:52 PM
Jamie...
As long as my tax dollars are used to pay for the primary process, I demand the right to have a say in who may become the leader of my country...parties or no parties. The Republicans and Democrats, in their rush to garner ever more dollars for their campaigns, have already effed this country up to the point that there may be no recovering it. And you're having a fairly substantial say in party politics without being registered, aren't you?
Posted by: harborwoman
| April 4, 2008 12:56 PM
"I don't find him mean and malevolent.
And he is frequently bitterly funny -- not bitterly mean."
Dog,
You have obviously never been on the receiving end of one of his rip someone to shreds vile and malevolent tirades.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 12:58 PM
Jamie
I guess you didn't get the rule book that exempts the behavior of select Obama supporters.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 1:00 PM
FWIW: that joke is too much identified with Reagan, even if he did not originate it.
The pony in manure joke and the compelling story about the brave WWII pilot (?) going down with the wounded airman on a doomed fighter plane, rather than abandoning him. (Leaving people to wonder: OK, so who was left to tell the story?) Stories relayed optimism and "I'll stay with you" to Reagan's audiences.
Hillary would get as much grief if she'd joked her mother was about to buy her an election, but don't spend too much on it.
Tone deafness was issue there, and maybe it was a dog whistle NOT to the Reagan Democrats -- you liked the Gipper? Then you will like me telling this story, remember those good times?
I thought it was a legitimate issue. I was amazed to see Hillary telling that joke, because it's just too associated with Reagan.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 4, 2008 1:00 PM
Like this one: " the bitter, old, lonely, sore losing, shrew wing of the party. "
Posted by: Patsi
| April 4, 2008 1:00 PM
Another thought, Jamie...
You made a point about the media the other day that bears repeating, IMO. Those who are so obviously FOR one candidate over another, like MSNBC, really should just go ahead and endorse. That would be only fair to the candidates, and to the many voters who don't follow politics closely.
Posted by: harborwoman
| April 4, 2008 1:01 PM
" I was amazed to see Hillary telling that joke, because it's just too associated with Reagan. "
Since I was one who turned a deaf ear to Ronnie Raygun, I only remember it as something the farmers around my hometown said.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 4, 2008 1:02 PM
There must be a pony was a joke and a book before Reagan every uttered the words.
It just shows how lazy the media is.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 1:07 PM
Liberal bloggers such as Atrios have been using the pony line whenever Shrub's popularity drops.
It's like the flag, just because the rightwing tries to wrap itself in it..it doesn't belong to the fake patriot.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 1:09 PM
"because it's just too associated with Reagan. "
Not to me it wasn't. The version I heard in the 60s (and maybe the one Hillary knew) involved a psychologist trying to even out a set of twins, one that was a complete pessimist and one that was a complete optimist.
The pessimist woke up to find his room filled with every imaginable toy a child could want. "Nothing is the right model and it will all break anyway".
The optimist woke to the fragrance of a room full of horse manure. "Where there's this much shit, there has to be a pony".
It was an old joke when I heard it. The point is that they accused her of plagiarism of a joke that has been around nigh on to forever. It was neither right nor fair, and it was done purely to injure her.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 1:10 PM
In case you guys haven’t read Richard Whalen’s CQ column today, take a look.
He writes of the thoughts of some conservatives in an Obama/McCain match up.
Maybe a new paradigm is afoot?
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/whalen/2008/04/antiwar-conservatives-for-obam.html
Posted by: MadMustard
| April 4, 2008 1:10 PM
Patsi...
IMO, I'm confusing nothing. You, however, are desperately trying to change the topic back to me in order to make yourself look more intelligent and powerful. Bless your heart.
Posted by: harborwoman
| April 4, 2008 1:17 PM
"what is so bad about typing in a fevered response to whatever slight you see, and then erasing it and not hitting "submit." Your own private "edit" function."
I can't afford round trip air fare to NY in order to separate his head from his carcass. HItting "submit" is the only available if unsatisfying alternative.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 1:21 PM
Most recently the pony joke was the title of a book about the Time Warner Debacle and it was movie with Elizabeth Taylor and I did not see a single credit to Ronnie Raygun in either of the credits.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 1:21 PM
Link for the McCain returns money
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/04/04/mccain_returns_3m_in_checks_as_he_considers_public_funding/?rss_id=Boston.com+%E2%80%93+National+news
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 1:25 PM
There must be a pony around here somewhere.
Posted by: Nancy | April 4, 2008 1:26 PM
OK, now I'm going to admit straight up that I don't understand economics or the market - so could someone explain to me how the market could RISE in the wake of today's jobs report? The Dow is now UP 47 points.
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 1:27 PM
Mad: fabulous catch with the Richard Whalen CQ column.
Heather was moaning yesterday about the "radical leftist" Obama supporters taking over the Democratic party, and I have yet to meet ANY of them. But plenty of what Whalen has ID'd as antiwar and anti- what passes for the GOP these days.
Pertinent from Whalen column: (And mind you, I do not see Obama as "ultra-liberal." Far from it.):
"Anti-war conservatives are rallying around ultra-liberal Barack Obama. He promises to “get out of Iraq as carefully as we went in carelessly,” and that’s enough for Andrew J. Bacevich, professor of history and international relations at Boston University.
... Bacevich, a Vietnam vet and a gold star father, whose beloved son and namesake was killed in Iraq is our generation’s Charles Beard. The Obama movement swells daily with traditional political figures of the first rank. Kevin Phillips, an old rightist, says he expects to vote for Obama. Another likely Obama supporter may be retired General Bill Odom, the leading anti-war strategist. In 2005, General Odom, former head of the National Security Agency under Reagan, called the Iraq War “the greatest single strategic mistake in our nation’s history.” A younger Reagan-era colleague, Doug Bandow and many of The American Conservative’s writers and editors are also leaning toward Obama.
Are anti-war conservatives “disloyal” to the good old GOP? I think the endless War Party deserted them long ago. The conservative cause was the life’s work of the late Bill Buckley. And he, too, at the end, concluded that Iraq would destroy it all. ..."
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 4, 2008 1:30 PM
(1) All those companies that laid off all those people are now in a better profit position due to a reduction in expenses.
(2) It isn't across the board, but in the key members of the Dow, the purchase price may have dropped enough in early trading to make purchasing them in the afternoon profitable thus sending the overall numbers up.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 1:32 PM
Harbor. Read what I said. You are absolutely confusing two things within an argument.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 4, 2008 1:33 PM
"C Listers: what is so bad about typing in a fevered response to whatever slight you see, and then erasing it and not hitting "submit." Your own private "edit" function."
Well, for many of us simply ignoring a scoundrel tends to indicate that we are weak and willing to be trampled upon.
Everyone who has ever done on-line 'discussing' certainly knows that perceived weakness in a correspondent begets violence. So it's entirely reasonable and appropriate that we strike whoever attacked us with the the nearest sharp instrument.
But, maybe there's an alternative response. How about:
Noted ;-)
That brief response including the emoticon certainly connotes a feeling of disdain for what the other person has said.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 4, 2008 1:33 PM
Patsi...
No thanks. I don't feel confused, but I do feel tired of this back and forth about what amounts to nothing.
Posted by: harborwoman
| April 4, 2008 1:34 PM
dog, you're the kid in the room full of horse shit!!
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 1:39 PM
Not such a stretch, Bri - considering that she has to wade through so much of it.
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 1:40 PM
Mad,
Agree with dog, interesting piece. I'm not completely sold on a new coalition model that includes too many righties. Maybe for election purposes, but not for governance. I do believe he needs to bring in more repugs to counter the redneks and racists he won't get.
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 4, 2008 1:45 PM
Sen. Clinton re Gays on Ellen
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080404/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_ellen_degeneres
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 1:47 PM
Oh, and Pats, I registered Independent when I thought "we" had become the Progressive Party. In that sense, I'm more of a Democrat than some of the posters here. Maybe I should call Obama supporters Independents and myself a true Democrat. I guess that is what this nomination is about.
Also please make another Republican group --Assholes. And another Democratic one --Nutcases
Then perhaps your list would be complete.
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 4, 2008 1:50 PM
Thinking about MLK's life today, it makes me wonder how so many can continually sneer at Bill Clinton's women problems and say nothing of King's. Maybe they just say ugly things about him in private.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 4, 2008 1:51 PM
Second long excerpt from RWhalen's CQ column today.
"Bacevich, writing in The American Conservative, says: “Barack Obama is no conservative. Yet if he wins the Democratic nomination, come November principled conservatives may well find themselves voting for the senator from Illinois. Given the alternatives—and the state of the conservative movement—they could do worse.
“Granted, when it comes to defining exactly what authentic conservatism entails, considerable disagreement exists even (or especially) among conservatives themselves. My own definition emphasizes the following:
a commitment to individual liberty, tempered by the conviction that genuine freedom entails more than simply an absence of restraint;
a belief in limited government, fiscal responsibility, and the rule of law;
veneration for our cultural inheritance combined with a sense of stewardship for Creation;
a reluctance to discard or tamper with traditional social arrangements;
respect for the market as the generator of wealth combined with a wariness of the market’s corrosive impact on humane values;
a deep suspicion of utopian promises, rooted in an appreciation of the sinfulness of man and the recalcitrance of history.
“Accept that definition and it quickly becomes apparent that the Republican Party does not represent conservative principles. The conservative ascendancy that began with the election of Ronald Reagan has been largely an illusion. During the period since 1980, certain faux conservatives—especially those in the service of Big Business and Big Empire—have prospered. But conservatism as such has not.”
============
Isn't it just perfect that many thinking conservatives realize they will have to turn to Barack Obama and the Democrats to save much of what they value of American conservatism?
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 4, 2008 1:51 PM
The Clintons are VERY careful with words. Every phrase is carefully designed. But for what purpose?
Latest example: yesterday, Hillary said 2008 was historic because the Dems were running "a black man and a woman."
Think about that. She could have said...
"a black man and a white woman."
or...
"a black and a woman."
But she didn't. So, what was this carefully constructed phrase designed to do?
(Those of you who still don't think that the Clintons speak in "racist code" just aren't paying close attention.)
Posted by: nash
| April 4, 2008 1:55 PM
The Whelan piece says Obama is a possibility because he promises to remove troops carefully
How will the antiwar left react when he has promised to remove the troops immediately.
Also although almost the entire column was posted
not this paragraphy
“So why consider Obama?” Bacevich asks. “For one reason only: because the liberal Democrat has promised to end the U.S. combat role in Iraq. Contained within that promise, if fulfilled, lies some modest prospect of a conservative renewal.”
To me that says, Obama will help conservatives grow stronger. Why would I want to do that.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 1:57 PM
Patsi,
Personally, I criticize slick only because of who he was at the time, who was he target and where it it happened and on my dime. Plus, as you hold Carter responsible for Reagan, I hold Bill, responsible for Bush II.
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 4, 2008 1:58 PM
jamie, my question was semantic. :-) No one can really adequately explain he market responding positively to a jobs report that suggests we are halfway into the jobs side of a recession - other than as a hangover from Bernanke's "we saved capitalism" testimony to Congress yesterday and expectations of even lower interest rates.
Here's Reuters' take on why the markek is rising.
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/business/business-markets-stocks.html
btw, gasoline jumped 19 cents per gallon here yesterday - that's a 7% or so jump in one day - any die hard free market theorists out there who believe that either supply or demand changed enough to expain that price change? And the big oil producers increase profits yet again. This is 2, count 'em, 2 days after Congress chided the big oil execs about their profits and lack of development of alt. fuel technology. That wsa effective. And is this price jump being reported by big media? I don't see it on the Times' or Post's front page.
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 2:00 PM
Michigan no do over at all.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 2:03 PM
Patsi:
Why do people sneer at Bill Clinton's sexual activity and not at MLK's?
* Because MLK is dead? (And Bill is still chasing interns.)
* Because MLK devoted his life to facing down a great evil? (And Bill devoted his life to the pursuit of power, wealth, and Big Macs.)
*Actually, the racist Republicans DO sneer at MLK, all the time. Just listen to Limbaugh.
In any case, thanks for reminding us of all this. J. Edgar Hoover would be proud of you.
Posted by: nash
| April 4, 2008 2:05 PM
So KGC: maybe that means Obama's appeal is not solely to the antiwar left? Unlike what Heather would have you believe?
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 4, 2008 2:05 PM
According to article the only reason they would vote for him is the because of the war. My question is--if the conservatives like him because he has a measured response to ending the war --how does that balance with his promise to the end the war immediately.
Not making any judgements...but that looks like two pretty different statements to me
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 2:07 PM
Hey it was Bobby Kennedy who ordered the wiretaps of MLK not JEdgar Hoover
Posted by: Credit Bobby | April 4, 2008 2:10 PM
Nash must not be getting any
John and I did.
Posted by: Credit Bobby | April 4, 2008 2:12 PM
Rez, and I hold Gore and the Supreme Court responsible for Bush II. Either could have prevented his ascendency had they removed their heads from their asses for about half a second.
As to MLK, there was no such thing as cable news or the internet, and the media didn'tcareany more about his pecadillos than they cared about JFK's.
dog, Bacevich is saying what Ann Coulter has been saying for months - don't think for a second that the repugs, conservative or not, are turning to Obama to save conservatism in government. The right wing of the Rep party doesn't see McCain as a conservative, and they simply see a disaster on the horizon and want to let it occur on the Dems' watch and be around to take advantage of it in the next election cycles.
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 2:16 PM
Rezdog
Hold Baker responsible. Hold the Supremes responsible. Hold Bush responsible, Hold that ferret who was Bush's campaign manager responsible. Hold the pseudo repug who was his running mate responsible. Or, ohmygod, hold Gore responsible.
But holding Clinton responsible? Nonsense.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 4, 2008 2:16 PM
How the MSM STILL censors MLK's speeches.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-cohen/40-years-later-the-late-m_b_95043.html
Posted by: nash
| April 4, 2008 2:17 PM
If no one believes Monica-gate hurt hurt the dems(Gore) then I think you're kidding youselves.JMO
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 4, 2008 2:20 PM
Oh, and ruminating about infidelities that happened 40 years ago or more by a dead hero and icon of the racial movement is about as stupid as ruminating about a blow job a decade ago on someone whose wife is running for president. None of this makes any difference except as a distraction.
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 2:23 PM
Pogo,
I was responding to a question which I do not think was rhetorical. If it was, then sorry if my comment it hit a nerve.
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 4, 2008 2:26 PM
Additional parties would be great, however, they will never happen until there is money in it. Once money is available people will follow.
Maybe the internet fund raising machine, and message delivery system will be the tool able to organize more citizens ( and supporting funds ) that would like to have their own party separate from the "nut-cases" and "@ssholes"
I would like to see that happen.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 4, 2008 2:30 PM
http://www.nysun.com/politics/obama-adviser-calls-troops-stay-iraq-through-2010
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 2:32 PM
Sat Feb-23-08 02:02 AM
Original message
"Polarizing" Bill Clinton left office with a 65% approval rating, higher than anyone post-FDR
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 2:44 PM
Pogo: thought of you when I saw this today.
Who was Parade magazine's cover boy with last Sunday's newspaper supplement? Hint: cover is usually territory for Mariah Carey level celeb or TV celebrity du jour. Plus the occasional altruist.
Second hint: you are going to feel really old, if you did not already see it.
http://www.parade.com/contents.jsp?edition=/articles/editions/2008/edition_03-30-2008/
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 4, 2008 2:45 PM
"(Those of you who still don't think that the Clintons speak in "racist code" just aren't paying close attention.)"
Nash,
So everybody who has commented on the historic quality of this campaign including Senator Obama, multiple office holders, and all of the news commentators are closet racists and only you can determine what is in their heart of hearts by one sentence that accurately describes the situation.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 2:45 PM
Barack & Randi, Cozy As Can Be
"This is a screenshot of THE “sold-out” Green360 event in San Francisco at which Randi Rhodes uttered those disgusting remarks. It was an event apparently fully SANCTIONED by the Obama campaign as a fundraiser. It is on his official site.
Click on the image to see the full view.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/04/barack-randi-cozy-as-can-be/
Posted by: GORDO | April 4, 2008 2:47 PM
From the artcle KGC:
"A key adviser to Senator Obama’s campaign is RECOMMENDING in a confidential paper"
Both Mr. Kahl and a senior Obama campaign adviser reached yesterday said the paper DOES NOT represent the campaign’s Iraq position."
Caps added for emphasis.
I hope he does what he says and reviews various opinions prior to making decisions , which I'm not sure our current guy does.
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 4, 2008 2:50 PM
Posted on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 11:47:00 AM EST
Tags: Pennsylvania '08, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama (all tags) Share This:
A new PA poll by Muhlenberg College and the Morning Call show Hillary ahead by 11 points. Full poll results are here.
Key findings:
1. With the Pennsylvania Presidential Primary under three weeks away, Senator Hillary Clinton maintains a double digit lead over Senator Obama in the Democratic race.
2. Democratic voters in the Keystone State were most likely to rank the economy as the key issue in terms of their vote in the Democratic Primary, with the Iraq War and health care also prominently mentioned.
3. Pennsylvania Democrats have generally favorable views of both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. However, Obama receives a larger percentage of unfavorable ratings than Clinton among likely voters in the state.
4. Keystone State Democrats are evenly divided on which of their candidates is more likely to beat John McCain in the general election.
http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-a6_5poll.6343125apr04,0,5694650.story
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 2:51 PM
dog, LOL - I'm neither as old or as rich as Mick, but I stilllike to rock 'n roll.!!! I am deeply honored that you thought of me when you saw that.
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 2:55 PM
Rez, our current guy doesn't seem to be concerned with any opinions other than his own, and Dick tells him what those opinions are, of course.
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 2:58 PM
Casino buffet beckons, DW treats today, her per cap lol
ttfn
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 4, 2008 2:58 PM
pogo: I thought it was horrifyingly close to AARP territory.
And the Stones are STILL the world's greatest rock and roll band.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 4, 2008 2:59 PM
dog, it makes me feel terribly old to think that Mick Jagger could have been on the AARP magazine cover 10 years ago. As I always said of the Stones, there are better R&R bands, but the Stones are still the greatest.
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 3:08 PM
"Philadelphia Daily News" political columnist:
Obama could win in PA.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/elections/20080404_John_Baer__Obama_could_actually_win_this_thing__the_Pa__primary_.html
Posted by: nash
| April 4, 2008 3:09 PM
Even Claire McCaskill thinks Obama will lose PA by double digits. 4/04/08
McCaskill thinks Obama will lose PA by double digits
Why would Barack Obama superdelegate Claire McCaskill forecast a huge Hillary Clinton victory in the Keystone state? How does this help her guy?
And what is it with Missouri pols saying things that can cause consternation for their preferred presidential candidate?
Earlier this week, it was Clinton supporter, Congressman Emanuel Cleaver who predicted Barack Obama will be the Democratic nominee and will win in November. (Although other comments weren't flattering to Obama and his aspirations).
Today it was the Missouri junior senator's turn. She was on CNN this morning talking up her guy about 7:30 a.m.
She declined to echo comments from other Obama superdelegates and suggest that Clinton should drop out. She talked about Clinton as a formiable opponent.
She dutifully said Obama will lose Pennsylvania (good strategy for lowering expectations). But then she went further. She said he will probably lose by double digits .
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 3:16 PM
Win in Pa? No wonder people call Obama a fairy tale.
Gee we can save the Obama team a lot of trouble and just repost all their claims about Ohio. Sounds a like their claims about PA....we are winning we are winning
oh well we only lost by ten points.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 3:22 PM
pogo:
"could someone explain to me how the market could RISE in the wake of today's jobs report? The Dow is now UP 47 points."
1. The price of a security is based on rumors, spin and nonsense - more so than it is based on actual facts.
2. Plus, a lot of the companies on the Dow are international - so they are not just tied to the American economy.
Posted by: warren
| April 4, 2008 3:31 PM
Despite spending 4 million dollars in Pa, Obama has only picked up a few points. Pennsylvania Democrats have generally favorable views of both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. However, Obama receives a larger percentage of unfavorable ratings than Clinton among likely voters in the state.
Obama has already lost. He peaked in February. Indiana and NC once thought safe states are now in jepoardy and Clinton is widening the lead in KY.
The Pa polls that are reliable show her with a double digit lead.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 3:33 PM
I agree with the comments of dog and Rezdog about the Whalen piece.
I can imagine that some conservative Republicans could view Obama as only a strategic move to strengthen their brand. If Obama won and proved to be ineffective, their prospects would greatly improve for 2012.
Less cynical conservatives may view Obama as much more likely than Clinton to appoint Republicans, thus securing some room for coalition building. As a result of the contentious convention, Clinton will likely be more indebted to the old-guard of the Party (select superdelegates and their allies) and less favorable to inclusion.
Should McCain win, he will sing the same Bush songbook and the death spiral of the conservative movement will continue.
Victory in politics, as in anything, requires a certain confluence of shared interests even if your only goal is to secure your self-interests.
You exploit what you can; everybody does.
Posted by: MadMustard
| April 4, 2008 3:36 PM
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Stewart_mocks_media_coverage_of_Obama_0402.html
John Stewart mocks Obama for calling for Clinton to drop.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 3:41 PM
warren - No. 1, may go some toward explaining the phenom, No. 2 might as well - at least it moderates US forces on stock prices - but this runs countery to the usual trends in the market in my limited experience. btw, I note that the Dow has now slipped into negative territory, which is what I would have expected. Frankly, I think the afterglow from the Fed/Bear Stearns coupling is the most likely explanation.
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 3:42 PM
Blaming Clinton for Gore's loss is rediculous.If he had let BC campaign for him he may have done better and if he had won his home state of Tenn. Bush couldn't have stolen the election because Fla. wouldn't have mattered.And he folded on his Eliah Gonzales position
I agree we need to change the party system.I think we need to change the names to:
Conservative
Moderate
Liberal
Guess where every candidate will want to run!
Posted by: painter
| April 4, 2008 3:45 PM
anyone having trouble watching videos on dial up,.i found a way to see them.When the video loads I hit play then I pause it and go about whatever I was doing then check back in an hour and it will play.Sometimes it may take longer but if you really want to see it,that is one solution.I did that with MadMustard"s video of the movie stars and it was beautiful.
Ruth
Posted by: painter
| April 4, 2008 3:54 PM
http://politicalhumor.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/10/stewart%2Dvs%2Dmatthews%2Droun%5Fn%5F80941.html
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 3:58 PM
CNN website reporting a B-1 bomber has crashed at US airbase in Qatar.
Didn't we just lose another one in Guam a few weeks ago, thankfully with no loss of life?
No details yet on Qatar crash.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 4, 2008 4:03 PM
now if I could only figure out how to keep this site rolling along without having to post a message.
,that would be great.When I first come on this site I can only read the messages up until the time I sign on so if you see me post with just the word testing it is so I can continue reading or maybe trolling as some of you call it
Posted by: painter
| April 4, 2008 4:05 PM
clinton's tax returns are in .....have fun obamaniacs
World Exclusive: 4/4/08 15:43:06 ET
2000-2007 Returns
Feds Taxes Paid: $33.7 million
Charity: $10.2 million
Posted by: tz | April 4, 2008 4:07 PM
Thanks tz -- hadn't seen that. Joint returns, $109 million income over 7 years; filed extension for 2006.
Per Ben Smith in Politico:
"Long-awaited, they arrive — when else — at 4:00 p.m. Friday.
The Clintons' joint returns show them earning more than $109 million over a period of seven years.
The biggest source of income is Bill Clinton's speeches — source of $51 million. He made another $30 million from books; Hillary made about $10 million from her book.
....
Per spokesman: "What the Clintons' tax returns show is that they paid more than $33,000,000 in federal taxes and donated more than $10,000,000 to charities over the past eight years. They paid taxes and made charitable contributions at a higher rate than taxpayers at their income level."
You can download them, and see a summary, here. They include detailed returns for 2000 through 2006, and the request for an extension for last year.
.....
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/The_Clintons_taxes.html
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 4, 2008 4:16 PM
testing
Posted by: painter
| April 4, 2008 4:18 PM
Forgive me, filed extension for 2007. Typo there.
However, that would be an interesting year to see too.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 4, 2008 4:19 PM
Like Obama did with Rezko information
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 4:19 PM
OK, so how long does one get with an extension? 3 months? 5 months? Long past the convention? Which is it?
PS: realize Clintons have been very busy in 2007 and early 2008. But how convenient, for not having to disclose info that usually goes on schedules.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 4, 2008 4:22 PM
not as rich as everyone tried to make the clintons ....JFK was worth more in 1960.....kerry the jigalo has more money.....40 mil came from there books
Posted by: tz | April 4, 2008 4:23 PM
Obama's Reszko release was on a Friday ..well actually it's been about three different fridays
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 4:24 PM
dog
extensions are common amongst taxpayers .....thats not a issue ....i used top ask for them all the time before i retired .....
Posted by: tz | April 4, 2008 4:27 PM
From the same people who claimed she was hjding things in her presidential papers.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 4:28 PM
This is great. Associated Press is running a story about McCain and his wife's money. If your local newspaper allows comments, please post about his current troubles at the FEC and ask people to sign the petition at http://firedoglake.com/
link to the SF Chronicle version but look in your local paperr
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/04/MNKRVVATR.DTL
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 4:34 PM
tz, agreed re extensions. I have used them myself, although not recently, ergo the question.
But how long does one get before one has to file the schedules, etc. for 2007? Was not sure it was 6 months; if one got another extension, if need be...
Know you have to pay taxes due upfront, but extensions are a nifty way as well of not having to fully disclose for a while.
OR just a good thing to do while awating further info on the Clintons' investment income details, as they aver in their 2007 summary statement. They expect about $20.4 million in income for last year.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/returns/2007est.pdf
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 4, 2008 4:35 PM
dog
usually its 6 months ....but can be extended again....according to 2007 filings they gave over 2 mil to charity and she donated all he income frome it takes a village to charity
Posted by: tz | April 4, 2008 4:43 PM
dog, I believe extensions are for 3 months, but can be renewed, essentially indefinitely. The extension is only for filing the return - you have to pay the tax by Apr. 15 or be penalized. The only real impact of an extension is that it reportedly increases your chances of receiving an audit after you file. Makes sense since you are no longer just one of the tidal wave of returns between Jan. 31 and Apr. 15. Their 06 and 05 returns weren't filed until October '07 - don't expect the '07 return before the convention. Tough - I'm sure they aren't going to bend over backward to provide Obama supporters more fodder for snarky comments, but let me know when Obama donates 10% of his gross income to charity.
And dog, they don't administer the trust - that's normally done by bankers or accountants - so they don't control when they get the information, and unlike W-2s, that information doesn't have to be provided by Jan. 31.
OK, we better see grounds for indictments by Monday or STFU.
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 4:50 PM
51 mill for speeches over 7 years ......reagan got 4 mil for 2 speech's and GW's father got 1 mil from kuwait for i speech......thier net income was approx 7 mill per year .....
Posted by: tz | April 4, 2008 4:53 PM
Cash to fund the Clinton dynasty...
Like the Bushes learned long ago, one of the best ways to get rich (and stay rich) is to hold high public office. All sorts of people are eager to pay you outrageous sums of money, for a few quiet favors.
(Just ask Marc Rich.)
It's nice to know that Chelsea will never have to work, or her children, or her grandchildren.
They can be senators or governors, if they want, but they'll never have to WORK.
THIS is how Rome degenerated from a republic to an empire: the only way to stop the destructive corruption of the political elites was for an emperor to seize power.
Bush & Cheney just couldn't pull off a coup this time around. But if the Clintons are the best we can do, it's only a matter of time.
Posted by: nash
| April 4, 2008 4:56 PM
Nope, it's 6 months, as tz pointed out.
Well, unless I see something I just have to comment on when I post this, TTFN.
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 4:56 PM
"it was the over all soap opera tone of the Clinton years, Monica was just the last straw."
The right wingers turned his presidency into a soap opera.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 4, 2008 4:57 PM
i think we are all forgetting bush's tax cuts must have helped their net .....bill clinton was right when he said they dont need bush's tax cuts
Posted by: tz | April 4, 2008 4:58 PM
snarky, nash. This campaign seems to have gotten to you. The Bushes were fabulously wealthy before entering politics, and you know it. Bye.
Posted by: pogo
| April 4, 2008 4:59 PM
"Unless he gets caught in bed with the likes of Michael Jackson Obama is going to be the Democratic nominee."
He's waaaay too old for Michael.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 4, 2008 5:00 PM
McCain still hasnt released his .....
Posted by: tz | April 4, 2008 5:01 PM
pogo: pleading guilty to snarkmongering on the tax returns. I was pleasantly surprised they are joint returns and never expected the full 2007 would be filed at this time.
Do you know an attorney who could represent me?
TTFN. Happy hour beckons.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 4, 2008 5:14 PM
KGC--------------------------
Obama had a Rezko Doc Dump on Saturday, March 22 - the day before Easter.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-obama_.1mar23,0,2958057.story
Posted by: GORDO | April 4, 2008 5:14 PM
" I was pleasantly surprised they are joint returns "
I was surprised at that, too.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 4, 2008 5:19 PM
Matthews is such a pig. Now it's all about 2007 taxes. Good God. Half the people I know -- and almost all rich people -- file extensions.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 4, 2008 5:21 PM
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/rezko-arama-iii.html
Obama Rezko march 14 hidden in the middle of Wright turmoil
I second Pogo's remarks on the Clinton returns.
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/04/no-york-no-york.html#comment-63176
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 5:23 PM
Oh my bad this one is on Tuesday
http://www.suntimes.com/news/766605,CST-NWS-obama30.article
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 5:26 PM
Craig, you're such a gem! Yo always make my day.
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| April 4, 2008 5:28 PM
Tweety is doing his usual "Why would you think I was endorsing Sen. Obama" Cinton bashing. He is such a garbage meister.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 5:32 PM
The famous John Stewart Chris Matthews book interview
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=104548&title=chris-matthews
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 4, 2008 5:37 PM
Subject: FLASH: Congress Votes to Outsource Presidency
Congress Votes to Outsource
Presidency
Associated Press
April 1, 2008
Washington , DC --
Congress today announced that the office of President of the United States of America will be outsourced to India as of April 3, 2008. The move is being made in order to save the President's $500,000 yearly salary, and also a record $521
billion in deficit expenditures and related overhead that his office has incurred during the last seven years. It is anticipated that $231 billion can be saved to the end of the President's term. "We believe this is a wise financial
move. The cost savings are huge," stated Congressman Thomas Reynolds (R-WA). "We cannot remain competitive on the world stage with the current level of cash
outlay," Reynolds noted.
Mr. Bush was informed by e-mail this morning of
his termination. Preparations for the job move have been underway for some time.
Gurvinder Singh of Indus Teleservices, Mumbai , India will assume the office of President as of April 3, 2008. Mr. Singh was born in the United States while his Indian parents were vacationing at Niagara Falls , NY , thus
making him eligible for the position. He will receive a salary of $320 (USD) a month, but no health coverage or other benefits.
It is believed that Mr. Singh will be able to handle his job responsibilities without a support staff.
Due to the time difference between the US and India , he will be working primarily at night. "Working nights will allow me to keep my day job at the Dell
Computer call center," stated Mr. Singh in an exclusive interview. "I am excited about this position. I always hoped I would be President."
A Congressional spokesperson noted that while Mr. Singh may not be fully aware of all the issues involved in the office of President, this should not be a problem as President Bush had never been familiar with the issues either.
Mr. Singh will rely upon a script tree that will enable him to respond effectively to most topics of concern. Using these canned responses, he can address common concerns without having to understand the underlying issue at all. "We know
these scripting tools work," stated the spokesperson. "President Bush has used them successfully for years, with the result that some people actually thought he knew what he was talking about."
Bush will receive health coverage, expenses, and salary until his final day of employment. Following a two-week
waiting period, he will be eligible for $140 a week unemployment for 26 weeks.
Unfortunately he will not be eligible for Medicaid, as his unemployment benefits will exceed the allowed limit.
Mr. Bush has been provided with the outplacement services of Manpower, Inc. to help him write a resume and prepare
for his upcoming job transition. According to Manpower, Mr. Bush may have difficulties in securing a new position due to a lack of any successful work experience during his lifetime. A greeter position at Wal-Mart was suggested.
Posted by: Bowmanc | April 4, 2008 5:44 PM
Nash,
You seem to have a bit of "Cabin Fever"
Once the snow melts up in Maine, your symptoms will improve.
From Wikipedia
Cabin fever is a condition that produces restlessness and irritability caused from being in a confined space. The actual term is slang for a claustrophobic reaction that takes place when a party is isolated and/or shut in, alone or together, for an extended period.
The term originated in the United States at the time when settlers would be snowed into their log cabins and had to wait for the spring thaw in order to travel to town.
Posted by: Bowmanc
| April 4, 2008 5:51 PM
ROFL, Bowmanc!
Posted by: Patsi
| April 4, 2008 5:52 PM
Wow - the Clintons gave nearly 10% of their income to charity and the Obamas only around 1%...shoot...Reuters says the average is 3.1%...what's wrong with those Obamas...
;-)
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 4, 2008 5:57 PM
Patsi,
My 87 YO mother sent that to me. And she isn't fooled by you know who, she is for Hillary all the way. Follow this link to see one of her favorite pictures.
http://mudgeling.blogspot.com/2007/12/elizabeth-nathaniel-and-hillary.html
Posted by: Bowmanc
| April 4, 2008 6:02 PM
"Wow - the Clintons gave nearly 10% of their income to charity and the Obamas only around 1%...shoot...Reuters says the average is 3.1%...what's wrong with those Obamas..."
Wendy, weren't they sending it to his grandmother in Kenya to help raise her and her village from poverty?
Posted by: Flatus
| April 4, 2008 6:10 PM
That's a great picture, Bow! A couple of cuties!
Posted by: Patsi
| April 4, 2008 6:11 PM
"That's a great picture, Bow! A couple of cuties!"
Indeed, indeed!
Posted by: Flatus
| April 4, 2008 6:27 PM
My 87 YO mother sent that to me. And she isn't fooled by you know who, she is for Hillary all the way.
Posted by: Bowmanc Author Profile Page | April 4, 2008 6:02 PM
Does she hate blacks too!
Posted by: ROTFLMAO | April 4, 2008 6:30 PM
Nephew & daughter taken when Hillary was in Nashua campaigning for Bill. A few years later my mom met with Hillary, probably when she was running for Senator in NY, and had her sign the picture.
Posted by: Bowmanc
| April 4, 2008 6:31 PM
A little late afternoon levity from the folks at The Onion.
Cheers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9AH-ufAkCU
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 4, 2008 6:36 PM
ROTFLMAO,
My mother doesn't hate anyone, that is why she has been an activist democrat all her adult life. That is why she volunteered for the Red Cross during WWII and spent four years on hospital trains helping wounded soldiers as they were transported home from Europe. That is why she was a director of Planned Parenthood in upstate NY helping poor young girls that had no one to turn to. That is why she was mayor of a small rural village in Upstate. That is why we hosted kids from NYC during the 1960's for the Fresh Air Fund. The list goes on. Usually I chose not to engage it the crap slinging that goes on here, but your lousy attempt at humor has pissed me off. You chickenshit post under your real name.
Posted by: Bowmanc
| April 4, 2008 6:43 PM
My guess is you will be Waiting for Gogot.
Posted by: Bowmanc | April 4, 2008 6:57 PM
Bowmanc,
Take a chill pill. Haven't you read my previous posts?
Posted by: ROTFLMAO | April 4, 2008 7:00 PM
None that made an impression. But there is a first for everything.
Posted by: Bowmanc
| April 4, 2008 7:05 PM
ROTFLMAO...
I've read your previous posts. Most of them are rude...which is why you post under your chosen acronym, I'm guessing.
Posted by: harborwoman
| April 4, 2008 7:09 PM
"Wendy, weren't they sending it to his grandmother in Kenya to help raise her and her village from poverty?"
I thought they were using it for piano lessons and summer camp for the kids
:-D
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 4, 2008 7:12 PM
"I thought they were using it for piano lessons and summer camp for the kids"
And, of course, they had those horrendous college loans.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 4, 2008 7:18 PM
Maybe next time a woman (of any race) or African American man (or any non-white man) runs for president we won't have to belabor the race card and/or the gender issue.
That alone would make this election worth it for me. I can not imagine having to go through all these same issues and arguments again in 4 years.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 4, 2008 7:20 PM
I, like most Americans admire Chelsea Clinton. She is a lovely, intelligent young woman.
Those who attack her reveal their own inadequacies.
It is easy for cowardly people to puff up their chests and seem strong on the internet.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | April 4, 2008 7:21 PM
Jamie:
I think you'll appreciate this article
"But Obama's estimated lead of 164 pledged delegates, when fairly analyzed, is not what it appears to be. Out of that margin, only 16 delegates were earned in primaries, while 148 delegates - fully 94 percent of his lead - were earned through caucuses."
http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-opfritop5637213apr04,0,5097143,print.story
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 4, 2008 7:21 PM
This is not a political statement...it is merely my opinion. Both Hillary and Chelsea have benefited greatly, in the looks department, from Bill's presidency. Whether of necessity or serendipity, both have learned to make the most of their looks. Both can look quite attractive at times, though both can also look quite homely at times. And not one word of that is important in the slightest!
Posted by: harborwoman
| April 4, 2008 7:25 PM
" 148 delegates - fully 94 percent of his lead - were earned through caucuses.""
Yep. How to become president without bothering with democracy.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 7:25 PM
Wendy,
I think that is why many people feel he can not win the general, because what he has won so far, won't amount to anything in November.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 4, 2008 7:27 PM
I can look really homely at times too...... : )
Usually when I go out to grab something at a store and run into someone I haven't seen for like 20 years....and they always look great !
We have all been there
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 4, 2008 7:29 PM
HW
It is amazing how money improves anyone's appearance. :-)
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 7:31 PM
Agreed. I should have added that I can also look quite homely.... It's a gift.
Posted by: harborwoman
| April 4, 2008 7:33 PM
Agreed, Jamie! Didn't we have a conversation about that recently?
Posted by: harborwoman
| April 4, 2008 7:34 PM
I remember Rush Limbaugh making cruel remarks about Chelsea Clinton..
Obviously, we have at least one person with the same character and ethics as Mr. Limbaugh.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | April 4, 2008 7:34 PM
Jamie ,
It seems to work wonders for men....the richer they are, they seem to be more attractive, and they think the women really like them, not the money. Ha!
I heard this old saying once: ( think it's from Jackie O - but not sure)
Marry first time for love
Marry second time for money
Marry third time for companionship
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 4, 2008 7:36 PM
LardassLiberal
I think they would have to be a regular to keep up with all the posts, and just be here so many times, like on cue. Maybe it's a split personality disorder....or even a multiple personality disorder.
Or just plain old-fashioned @ssholeness.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 4, 2008 7:44 PM
"Marry first time for love
Marry second time for money
Marry third time for companionship"
-Posted by: unlikely_burrito | April 4, 2008 7:36 PM
I'm stuck somewhere between love and money where the only companionship is cyber in nature.
Posted by: MadMustard
| April 4, 2008 7:45 PM
Unlikely...I hope it's Option Three on your list. I'd hate to think anyone is actually out there boiling bunny rabbits based on the stuff that goes on in this space.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 4, 2008 7:47 PM
Hey LaL,
Keep up brother, she was at a rally in Pittsburgh a couple days ago.
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 4, 2008 7:48 PM
Lardass...Thank you for your 7:39 post. I, like you, am heartily sick of our phantom crapper...er, I mean poster.
OD...I think you're being a bit thin-skinned about Chelsea. No one here has come anywhere close to Rush Limbaugh's vile spewings...nor intended them in the same way he does. Rush Limbaugh is a nasty, nasty man...who is to be pitied.
Posted by: harborwoman
| April 4, 2008 7:49 PM
Rez...did they let her hold a microphone?
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 4, 2008 7:49 PM
http://www.wpxi.com/politics/15770750/detail.html
sorry here's a link
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 4, 2008 7:50 PM
Harbor...like I said a few days back, cutesy anonymous posting has not only jumped the shark at this point, it's been eaten and crapped out by the shark. :)
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 4, 2008 7:51 PM
harborwoman..you are wrong..the personal attacks, insults about physical characteristics, etc. by a small group of people on this site, are as disgusting as Mr.Limbaugh.
You might be amused by these people. I am not.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | April 4, 2008 7:51 PM
Subject change
Todays news has an open letter to McCain - from conservative repubs saying do not use Romney as VP running mate.. They plain do not like Romney..
Yesterday on News and internet- not sure now just which blog I saw it. (TM)? Had article on Lieberman praising McCain and bashing Bo ( Now wasn't Bo supposed to be Lieberman protege?) Lieberman bashed Bo on Iraq position and praised McCain Iraq
position.
Anyone have any ideas as to what cabinet positon Lieberman is sponging for? He sure to be buttering up McNumbnuts.
Posted by: Julie-Young73 | April 4, 2008 7:54 PM
OD...I am wrong in your eyes.( And, BTW, are your eyes male or female? I can't tell.) But I am not wrong in my eyes. I'm sure it's simply a personality difference, but I let an awful lot of words just roll away, like water off a duck's back. When my buttons get pushed, however, I come out barking, just like you and most everyone else on this blog.
Posted by: harborwoman
| April 4, 2008 7:54 PM
Rez. Thanks for the link. I hadn't heard about that one.
But seriously, I think they've definitely put her on a leash that might even be tighter than Bill's post-South Carolina leash. I'll be curious to see if we get any unscripted soundbites from her at all -- let alone interchanges with press corps.
Please keep me posted on the subject. I do appreciate it.
--Lard.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 4, 2008 7:55 PM
I am sure that if any of the candidates, their spouses and/or children were in a room with the Trail Mix Blog group that they would be treated with respect and kindness.
Reality is different then a blog......we all know that.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 4, 2008 7:57 PM
Off to Portlnd for Fish and Chips and some Hillary sign holding..Have a good evening.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | April 4, 2008 7:58 PM
Remember, the rules here are at the discretion of the owner. Over at Stubborn Facts the owner is a Republican. Though not a SOCON, there are some ground rules. If you don't like them, then adios. While I think Free Speech serves a blog like this, the ultimate decision is up to the owner. Dubious links, uncivil disruption and hate speech all constitute things a smart owner prevents. I wouldn't lose sleep over idiots. In fact idiocy is something we need to be reminded of as we debate which dandidate has the best chance to win and unite moderates on both sides of the great divide.
I question the representational value of caucuses. I wonder how much lower the popular vote would be for Obama had Media not played such an unfair role. I guess obscenity is in the eye of the beholder.
Rusia is selling three subs to Chvez to reward NATO for not advnacing into the Georgia and Ukraine. May its time for them to restart their enrichment programs as long as Iran is continuing theirs.
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 4, 2008 8:02 PM
Max,
"Does anyone know if any of them are alive today and doing well?"
I presume you mean their descendants .. :-)
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 8:05 PM
Max...I hope Craig reads your last post!
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 4, 2008 8:05 PM
Canned Heat,
on the road again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51WRjFflz44
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 4, 2008 8:05 PM
Max,
After being silly. The answer to your question is not only yes but they hold regular reunions at Mt. Vernon and are involved in the whole historical recreation program at Mt. Vernon
http://www.mountvernon.org/mountvernon/pressroom/index.cfm/pid/885/
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 8:10 PM
Max...
BTW...I'm hoping Hugo Chavez loves his shiny new Russian submarines so much, he just goes L. Ron Hubbard on us...and leaves the rest of the world alone forever.
And we can rely on Tom Cruise for updates on his whereabouts.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 4, 2008 8:10 PM
Hi Jamie. Glad you're still in here swinging. I just wish I could be as optimistic as you.
I'm afraid that even if Hillary manages to get elected president, they're still going to be talking about how Obama has all the momentum and should really BE the president!
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 4, 2008 8:15 PM
"L. Ron Hubbard on us...and leaves the rest of the world alone forever."
Chavez will have two more ships in his navy than the Sea Org has in theirs unless they have added to the fleet since buying the La Boheme and renaming her Freewinds.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 8:18 PM
Max,
Craig's rules have always been, personal morality and civility would be a good thing to display in a community.
However, he is one of the most liberal and patient men I have ever encountered and he's only kicked one person off this blog....sorry for the Wince Craig.
The guys was over the top and actually, nothing has compared since.
So, live and let live, work things out, ignore if you don't like, and comment on Craigs Commentaries....oh and "Agree to Disagree". These are the rules.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 4, 2008 8:19 PM
I'll be dragging myself out of the house at 6:30 am on a Saturday tomorrow to go play Hillary delegate at the county caucus as well as registering the other delegates for four precincts. Busy day and then I get to do it all over again for the County Convention next Saturday.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 8:20 PM
That is really early Jamie.....wow....very commendable
I really have not even contemplated the idea that BHO could actually win the presidency. I know it can happen, I just, until lately, didn't even want to consider that as an option.
Total denial - like living in the Twilight Zone
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 4, 2008 8:27 PM
Sheila...I don't think Craig actually "kicked" Fritz out. He just suggested to Fritz that the option of leaving was available. That's different.
Honestly, I don't see what would be lost if Craig instituted a rule of Typekey registration and no anonymous posting. Or...if people want to post anonymously, then don't even let them assign themselves a "clever" name. Just make it a random number or random set of alpha-numeric characters, and then the rest of us can treat it for what it is. Crap.
I wouldn't even mind drive-by posts from truly anonymous folks. It's just the idea that a "regular" here would choose to occassionally cloak posts in that extra layer of anonymity that drives me nuts.
Even back when "free speech" was invented, it still involved actual human beings standing up their malnourished asses on actual soapboxes in poverty-stricken corners of London and taking responsibility for what they said. There was no such thing as "anonymous free speech." Hell, just the fact that most of us here get to post under fake (but still recognizable) handles is anonymity enough for me, way beyond anything the Founders had in mind.
I know I rant about this issue too much. But it drives me crazy.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 4, 2008 8:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2sfelvHAlU
does the first rift ( is that what it is called?)make you smile. I'd recognize it anywhere
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 4, 2008 8:35 PM
LaLi
" is anonymity enough for me, way beyond anything the Founders had in mind."
Poor Richard and Silence Dogood did fairly well in the commentary department.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 8:36 PM
Jamie...
I bet Poor Richard would also have had the balls to register with TypeKey.
Just sayin'
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 4, 2008 8:40 PM
Blogger Ben
http://www.pbs.org/benfranklin/l3_wit_name.html
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 8:40 PM
Okay Jamie. You win. I give up.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 4, 2008 8:43 PM
Burrito
Riff
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riff
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 8:44 PM
That's a great riff, buritto! Lovely Clapton solo at the end too.
Posted by: MadMustard
| April 4, 2008 8:46 PM
There are also Vamps which are recognizable intros to well known songs such as the lead in to "Singing In The Rain"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkEvy-9yVyQ
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 8:47 PM
My Father used different names when he would write to the newspapers, because he said they wouldn't publish the commentaries if they believed they all were written by the same person.
Thank
riff it will be from now on...thanks
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 4, 2008 8:47 PM
Well... burrito, it looks like I need to add an 'r' and drop a 't' while I admire Clapton's 'C's' and 'G's'.
Posted by: MadMustard
| April 4, 2008 8:50 PM
Lali
It wasn't a contest. I agree with you and have complained before. The anonymous eponynmous drive me crazy as well since I do believe they are bullies and like most bullies are cowards as well.
You are right that ol' Ben would have registered with Typekey.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 8:51 PM
I wonder how many takes that clip took? Tossing the umbrella while dancing in the rain, and singing?
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 4, 2008 8:53 PM
Jamie...that's cool. No sweat. I didn't mean to make it a contest either. I found your Ben Franklin links instructive and interesting, and realized my care-worn rant about anonymity is probably full of shit and futile, not to mention anti-American. So I respectfully recede.
You learn something new on Crawfordslist every day. That's why I like it here.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 4, 2008 9:00 PM
Burrito
A Day and a Half and Kelly had a high fever from the flu
http://www.pictureshowman.com/articles_films_singinginrain.cfm
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 9:01 PM
Lal,
Craig was forced to kick Fritz off. I was there. Not trying to be a know it all and in fact, all of us put our two cents in on the situation. it was a very hard choice for Craig, but he did it.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 4, 2008 9:02 PM
1952
Thanks Jamie. Did you read this part....from your link:
Debbie Reynolds a star, she had some mixed feelings about the actual making of the film. "Gene Kelly made me work so hard," she revealed in a 1998 interview, "that I'd almost pass out trying to keep up." In another interview she added, “The two hardest things I ever did in my life are childbirth and “Singin' in the Rain”.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 4, 2008 9:04 PM
Tells you a little bit about child - birth...lol
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 4, 2008 9:06 PM
I do understand about how you feel. We all do and I bet most of us have emailed Craig about it. But Craig has a sense of what is right for his Blog/our Blog and in the end,
After all this time, it has work. this is why we are a community above all. He makes us get along by say, "This too Shall Pass..." ;0)
The mean spirited jerk face that passes themselves off as three different people....well you have to feel real pity for someone so cowardly and fearful all wrapped into one. Must be a hard place to live.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 4, 2008 9:08 PM
Sheila...I'll certainly defer to you on that point. I'm sure you remember the particulars better than I do. I must have just misinterpreted some of the nuances of the situation with Fritz.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 4, 2008 9:09 PM
It is just the ying and yang of life - without the bad you can not fully appreciate the good.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 4, 2008 9:14 PM
Amen Burrito! Good saying.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 4, 2008 9:15 PM
" Both can look quite attractive at times, though both can also look quite homely at times. "
Good God. What a thing to say.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 4, 2008 9:21 PM
"Tells you a little bit about child - birth"
Glad no one asked me to dance while doing it.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 9:21 PM
See you all in a few days, gang. I'll resurface sometime next week after I've returned from my Kansas City pilgramage to watch my Royals' home opener.
Love you all (at least most of you, part of the time).
--Lard.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 4, 2008 9:24 PM
no kidding - about the dancing and child birth
I am of the belief that every day should be Mothers Day. Forget all the other holidays........they do not compare....and it is btw my most favorite holiday of all .
: )
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 4, 2008 9:25 PM
Waving @ Lard!
Have a great time!!
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 4, 2008 9:25 PM
......and some of you only half the time, and others only when I'm drunk.......
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 4, 2008 9:26 PM
I meant..."Pilgrimage".
(I can't believe I screwed that spelling up on a thread that began with such awesome Chaucer references)
See you next week!
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 4, 2008 9:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMM7ckbzDRY
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 4, 2008 9:29 PM
Jamie!
Just saw Dan answer your comment on Verdict! Congratulations!
Posted by: harborwoman
| April 4, 2008 9:59 PM
Jamie!
Just saw Dan Abrams respond to your comment on his program! Congratulations!
Posted by: harborwoman
| April 4, 2008 10:01 PM
Thanks Jamie for the link and that was funny...
LL given the track record on the subs they're selling, maybe Hugo should go for a ride and sink. The silent ones Russia is building are the dangerous ones. This might however be an opening for Russia to set up that sub base JFK prevented. I noticed that Hugo nationalized the cement industry.
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 4, 2008 10:05 PM
Sorry for the dual posts about Jamie's Abrams comment. My computer was behaving strangely, and I couldn't see that my comments were posting...or I temporarily (I hope!) lost my mind....
Posted by: harborwoman
| April 4, 2008 10:06 PM
Funny that the early writers like Franklin and Paine used pen names. Wasn't Franklin pretending to be a woman early on? We have a history of this. And it was a game to figure out who might actually be the author.
A political blog should be pretty open, but even Franklin encountered problems and had to set some ground rules. He proposed writers should not try and hurt another...LOL. I guess Randi would be off his paper as well as Wright. As I said, Washington figured out Jefferson's pen name at one point and never forgave him for the libel he printed. Franklin's son was rather extreme too. Franklin was America's first media barron. I think the bill that passed giving journalist protections and not us "unprofessionals" wrong-headed. Madison clearly felt such rights were for the people and a computer constitutes a press these days. Can't say professionals have acted very professional.
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 4, 2008 10:20 PM
Sorry for sounding dumb, but are any of you here cable or news personalities? Forgive my lack of knowledge, but sometimes it sounds you all are rather connected to media in a rather direct way. I haven't taken much time to get beyond your usernames.
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 4, 2008 10:23 PM
BREAKING NEWS
Larry Sinclair Update:
New Inning: Judge Grants Sinclair Order
"Judge Henry Kennedy, who presides over District Court in Washington, D.C., has granted Larry Sinclair’s motion for discovery and signed an order for subpoenas regarding Sinclair’s defamation lawsuit against three Internet posters.
Sinclair filed suit in March against the posters, whom, he claims, made up and spread lies about his mental state and character after he posted allegations about Sen. Barack Obama in January on YouTube. Sinclair claims to have used drugs and had sex with Obama in 1999.
The judge’s order, Sinclair tells Big Head DC, signals “a whole new inning and a whole new ball game.” The suit, filed in March, reiterates claims Sinclair has made in the past about Obama."
http://bigheaddc.com/category/larry-sinclair/
Posted by: GORDO | April 4, 2008 10:26 PM
Walt Whitman was an ardent user of pseudonyms.......in letters to editors, reviews of his own poetry.....promotion of himself and his poetry his general aim.......
Posted by: sturgeone | April 4, 2008 10:29 PM
I'm not in any way connected to the media, Max. And, if your question was prompted by my congratulating Jamie on getting Abrams to respond to her comment, I can tell you that Jamie isn't, either. But she's very good at sending in comments to news programs that the on-air personalities choose for a response. Jamie is very bright, and has excellent writing skills.
Posted by: harborwoman
| April 4, 2008 10:38 PM
I didn't mean reveal names, just a general answer.
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 4, 2008 10:39 PM
Oh Jamie and others are quite smart. Given my comments about media's unprofessionalism, I didn't want to step on any toes. As for my typos it is a bad reflection of my graduating Horace Mann. Better I keep my real name out of it...LOL
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 4, 2008 10:44 PM
Maxtrue, based only on all the MSNBC-bashing that I have observed recently... maybe they are associated with CNN or Fox.
This NPR crowd has certainly turned anti-media, all things considered.
Posted by: MadMustard
| April 4, 2008 10:47 PM
GORDO= Ann Coulter
j/k
Posted by: Bring it on | April 4, 2008 10:48 PM
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0742538168
Posted by: sturgeone | April 4, 2008 10:54 PM
bowmanc: the first major league baseball I ever got was hit into the lower box seats during bp at Chicago. Your hero Joe Pepitone hit it: September 12, 1965.
Pepitone 1b 3 0 1 0
White Sox won, 4-1
Posted by: Dexter
| April 4, 2008 10:56 PM
Greta on Fox tonight says the Mark Penn story is going to have legs.
For those of you who do not know what the mark Penn story is, real clear politics has the story - forgot to get the marker.. Anyhow seems he talked to Columbia about their nafta situation. He says he was talking with them as a member of his Marston - B Company and not as Campaign member as he knew Clinton is dead set against nafta for columbia... And he apologized.
Greta asked what would you do = 76% said he should be fired, as he had a direct conflict of interest.. only a minor amount said no he should not be fired as he had apologized..
Greta seems to think this story will hurt Hillary campaign and will definitely have legs..
I can see Bo already hitting her with it, but then she should make him apologize for Rhodes.
I lost all respect for him with the first name calling of her a B*****. The first Ferraro name calling and Now this - too much.. Sleaze not class.
Julie
Posted by: Julie-Young73 | April 4, 2008 11:05 PM
To answer your question , Max , I'm connected to the media. Well , I mean , I'd like to be connected to Maggie Rodriguez of CBS! Heh heh.
Posted by: Corey
| April 4, 2008 11:07 PM
Arlen "Magic Bullet" Specter?
Posted by: sturgeone | April 4, 2008 11:12 PM
Link to Mark Penn story
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aT5kJ_heKgnI&refer=politics
Julie
Posted by: Julie-Young73 | April 4, 2008 11:28 PM
Maigc Bullet?
Posted by: Corey
| April 4, 2008 11:28 PM
Magic Bullet , I mean.
Posted by: Corey
| April 4, 2008 11:31 PM
I missed Abrams because of watching NBC news from Memphis
Did I get another few minutes of fame? Tell me Tell me.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 4, 2008 11:32 PM
Corey-----------------------
ARLEN SPECTER AND THE JFK ASSASSINATION
The Single Bullet Theory
"To support the scenario that a lone assassin (Oswald) could fire the purported number of shots within an allotted time frame, the Warren Commission concluded that one of the bullets fired that fateful day hit both Kennedy and Connally. This conclusion came to be known as the "single bullet theory." However, given the location of Kennedy's and Connally's wounds, for the "single bullet theory" to be correct, the bullet would have had to change course several times, behaving in the manner shown in the diagram (below left). The chief architect of the "single bullet theory" was the Warren Commission's ambitious junior counsel, Arlen Specter, now U.S. Senator from Pennsylvania. In the reenactment photo (below right) Specter, with his pointer in hand, attempts to make the "single bullet theory" appear more plausible by deceptively indicating a straight line trajectory for the bullet. "
http://www.geocities.com/justicewell/specter.htm
Posted by: GORDO | April 4, 2008 11:42 PM
Julie. ...I think Hillary should apologize for you and your comments.
Posted by: Give me a break | April 4, 2008 11:42 PM
Oh! Thanks , Gordo. I was thinking of the Magic Bullet kitchen appliance! LOL!
Posted by: Corey
| April 4, 2008 11:45 PM
Corey, this is probably the best explanation of the 'single bullet theory' that I have ever seen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEzBeP6pRoY
Posted by: MadMustard
| April 4, 2008 11:50 PM
Good old Seinfeld! Ha! Anybody up for a tour of Fenway Park?
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/04/hawk_nest_remov.html
Posted by: Corey
| April 5, 2008 12:05 AM
Beetlejuice!
Posted by: Corey
| April 5, 2008 12:43 AM
"The mean spirited jerk face that passes themselves off as three different people....well you have to feel real pity for someone so cowardly and fearful all wrapped into one. Must be a hard place to live. "
ROFL! I don't know who's posting under the fake names, nor do I care, but whoever it is hasn't come close to the ugliness I've seen from some....OR the passive aggressive horsecrap.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 5, 2008 12:59 AM
Or this one ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGf0sZEB6Pc
Posted by: Give me a break | April 5, 2008 1:57 AM
>>>>Yawns........Good Morning all.....wait....waving my morning paper till kill that bitter wind.... Better now.
Sturg, here's something for your creative juices. written by a Blog guy. David Allen Waters.
John McCans Running Mate List
John McCain says he's compiling a list of potential running mates that includes "every name imaginable." I think not. Here are a few options he might overlook. Are there others?
1. Dick Cheney. Actually younger than McCain and he's got nearly 8 years of experience as chief executive.
2. Chuck Norris. Mess with us now, bin Laden.
3. Abel Herrero. Texas legislator. A Democrat, but a 'McCain and Abel' ticket would take Texas, Florida and New York.
4. Methuselah. Actually older than McCain.
5. George Clinton. McCain/Clinton ticket would confuse Hillary and Obama voters and put the P-Funk in GOP.
6. Clint Eastwood. Go ahead, bin Laden. Make his day.
7. Ann Coulter. Would prove that McCain isn't just talking like a born-again, right-wing conservative. He's acting like one.
8. Lee Raymond. Retired chairman of Exxon. Can show us all how to make record profits and bonuses in a declining economy.
9. Jon Stewart. Could help McCain find his old straight-talking, maverick self. And if not, at least we'll be able to laugh about it.
10. Donald Trump. If McCain isn't up to the job: "You're fired."
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 5, 2008 5:42 AM
Im not so sure that Methuselah is older than McCain.....I better google it......
Posted by: sturgeone | April 5, 2008 7:00 AM
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