Hoosiers on the Horizon

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Is Pennsylvania already old news? Indiana’s May 6 primary could be the really REALLY big showdown, as political buzz makers ponder the probabilities that Hillary Rodham Clinton wins Pennsylvania on April 22 and Barack Obama bags North Carolina.

After that, we start to run out of states. Unless Puerto Rico settles the Democratic feud, maybe Europe should vote. Clinton and Obama could travel the globe looking for a nation state of interested citizens who are willing to provide final resolution. How about the Lichtenstein Primary?

Ah, but wait -- if Democrats are not counting Florida and Michigan, foreigners are definitely out. Indiana will have to do.  

 

Craig in studio on “Imus in the Morning”
Thursday (4/3) 7:30 AM EST
RFD-TV / WABC-AM / WJZW-FM

 

    Comments

  1. Hoosier daddy.......

    Posted by: sturgeone | April 3, 2008 6:15 AM

  2. Sturgeon -- You're all by your lonesome! Are we the only ones here? Where's everyone at?

    Posted by: Divalicias | April 3, 2008 7:07 AM

  3. They're all congregated around the old radio set waiting for CC to be on Imus, I think.......

    Posted by: sturgeone | April 3, 2008 7:11 AM

  4. I'm here with you guys but Craig on Imus at 7:30 is making me change my morning routine. Gotta get into the shower so I can leave for work after Craig's appearance.

    Posted by: EdVB Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 7:13 AM

  5. *Yawn*

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 7:14 AM

  6. We are waiting with bated breath for Craig on Imus.

    Posted by: Ivy Green | April 3, 2008 7:17 AM

  7. this time of the morning it's more like "baited" breath, but I wait, just the same.......

    Posted by: sturgeone | April 3, 2008 7:22 AM

  8. Are there any debates scheduled between Clinton and Obama, or are they both just going all out with the individual campaigning? Seems that a good debate could help some of the non-committed voters coalesce around one of the candidates and perhaps give the Dems some direction.

    Posted by: Mary Kitt-Neel Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 7:24 AM

  9. He's there LIVE! In person! Breathing baitedly down the I-Man's neck!

    Posted by: Ivy Green | April 3, 2008 7:41 AM

  10. why not let Europe vote? lol

    Posted by: sturgeone | April 3, 2008 7:47 AM

  11. Yes, Craig's giving this morning's blog lines to Imus and Chuckles...

    Posted by: Ivy Green | April 3, 2008 7:49 AM

  12. Craig is on Imus now...they're giving him enough time to do a job. Humorous, insightful and feisty--not Imus, Craig!

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 7:49 AM

  13. Mary-Kitt

    I don't think there can be another debate. That would make it look like Senator Clinton was still a viable candidate.

    Posted by: EdVB Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 7:55 AM

  14. mornin', all.

    Craig, You've outdone yourself!!! Brilliant!

    and sturg, you get two CSs for your opening comment.

    Is this a great country or what?

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 7:57 AM

  15. NO MORE CONFETTI! But , ONE MORE COW! Nice pic of your parents , Craig. You're gonna get your Mom famous Like David Letterman's Mom!

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 7:57 AM

  16. I hereby accept and I'd like to thank all the little people for my 2 CSs........What's a CS?

    Posted by: sturgeone | April 3, 2008 8:00 AM

  17. Rare Imus guest who gets to hang around through the commercial break to the next hour.

    Posted by: Ivy Green | April 3, 2008 8:02 AM

  18. yep.....McCain's knockin' 'em dead down at the funeral home..........

    Posted by: sturgeone | April 3, 2008 8:10 AM

  19. Here's a little bit of Happy this morning. ;0)

    NRCC Now Trying To Recruit Democrats As Candidates — And Failing
    By Eric Kleefeld - April 2, 2008, 5:35PM

    Here's a case study in the problems that the Republicans have been having recruiting House candidates: The man they thought would be a top get for an open Dem-held seat decided that not only is he not running, but also that for now he's not even becoming a Republican.

    It all started when Rep. Bud Cramer (D-AL), a relatively conservative Dem representing a district that President Bush carried with 60% of the vote, announced his retirement a couple weeks ago. The Republicans looked for a candidate, and had nearly found one in conservative Democratic state Sen. Tom Butler, who was on the verge of switching parties to make the race.

    However, Butler announced yesterday that he's not running after all, and he's staying as a Democrat for at least the remainder of this legislative session. He'd scheduled his press conference and written his announcement speech, with the intention of switching parties, but decided at the last minute that he didn't want to go through the rigors of fundraising for a high-stakes race.

    We've left a message with Butler's office, and hope to get in touch and find out more about his experience as an almost-candidate.

    Good luck, NRCC — the filing deadline is this Friday

    Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 8:12 AM

  20. sturg - Chuckle Snort

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 8:14 AM

  21. Sturg, Congrats! I hope my brain is as sharp and wonderful as yours when I hit it! of course.....I'm sure your physical appearance is just as sexy. ;0)

    Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 8:16 AM

  22. pigs...sluts...free breakfasts...Vince Gill...annnnnnnnnd CC on 3 segments with DI!!!!! My day is off to a great start...ohhhhyeahhhhh!!!! 8D

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 8:17 AM

  23. Craig...
    great interview!.... it's nice to hear your cheerful voice in the morning....

    too many commercials, though.....

    oh well....... GO DEMOCRATS!

    Posted by: RebelliousRenee Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 8:17 AM

  24. And really Craig shouldn't today's trailmix read:

    "as political buzz makers ponder the probabilities that Barack Obama wins Pennsylvania".

    Why would a good "do be" like Craig repeat a lie from the "don't be's" at the Obama Romper Room

    Posted by: Ms Nancy | April 3, 2008 8:17 AM

  25. Corey - Bian has in all likelihood been getting AARP membership mailers for the past two years - I think my trash rates went up because of them in my run up to the big five-o.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 8:21 AM

  26. AARP. Gave my son-in-law a gift membership for his birthday. Really felt good. Nothing like payback.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 8:26 AM

  27. Craig
    Finally! You gave a good explanation on Imus about how we choose a nominee.If everyone in the msm understood the process they wouldn't be calling for an end to this race.In Rummy the game isn't over until someone gets 500 points.In this race you need 2024 delegates and if no one gets those numbers on first vote,then they revote until enough delegates change sides until they do get the required amount.That's where super delegates come in.And that is playing by the rules.Otherwise why have a convention and why have super delegates.This is not a coronation.And Craig you are right they are virtually tied.Neither of them have enough delegates.And anything can happen in the next 4 months.On either side.So lets not get our panties in a knot and let the game contunue
    Ruth

    Posted by: painter Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 8:33 AM

  28. Happy Birthday...

    Doris Day!

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 8:35 AM

  29. You think fifty's bewildering? Just wait until you begin to realize what others already have about how addled your thoughts get as the precious few functioning brain cells and connections between them die off at an ever increasing rate. :) Oh, and Tide to Go works very well on drool stains.

    She you think that's a sonnet? now that's funny. lol

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 8:36 AM

  30. Don Corleone paid homage to his fellow Don......Don Tazemebro.........LOL

    Posted by: sturgeone | April 3, 2008 8:36 AM

  31. painter - with your name you have appropriately painted a huge bullseye on yourself. I'd prepare to duck if I were you.

    btw, I don't recall seeing your answer to the inquiries about your name - is it just a name or is you one, and if so, landscapes or houses?

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 8:39 AM

  32. She you think that's a sonnet? now that's funny. lol

    Posted by: pogo | April 3, 2008 8:36 AM

    I knew you'd appreciate the humor my friend!

    Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 8:42 AM

  33. oh, and sturg - I sometimes also give out GSs (Giggle Snorts) - a close kin to CSs but lower keyed. Both are meant to be compliments for humorous postings.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 8:42 AM

  34. Since Craig is done I van go back to the weather channel.No more msm

    Posted by: painter Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 8:43 AM

  35. Indeed I do, She. Two GSs.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 8:47 AM

  36. pogo;
    I explained a while back,I paint for fun in oil.Mostly landscapes but I tried a few portraits.My dad for one and I did a great picture ,if I do say so myself of John Lennon and yoko Ono for my son and it hangs in his bar

    Posted by: painter Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 8:47 AM

  37. Can anyone tell me why when I post I can not read the posts after mine until I post again.I've tried refreshing the page but that doesn't work
    Ruth

    Posted by: painter Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 8:51 AM

  38. Ruth,

    All I can say is, it happened to me for while too. Don't understand really. But its not happening to me anymore.

    Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 8:55 AM

  39. yes, only Lennon was naked 8~P

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9729637/

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 8:55 AM

  40. Great the sun is finally shining again.Now if it would just warm up . Maybe my tomato plants in my small green house will start to grow so they will be big enough to plant in garden in May.Had to replant them because they all died for some reason.The peppers are doing ok but still using heater.
    Ruth

    Posted by: painter Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 9:01 AM

  41. being 60 may be a bit of a drag, but having lived thru the fifties is priceless......

    Posted by: sturgeone | April 3, 2008 9:02 AM

  42. I saw this yesterday and thought "how appropriate a tribute to a president who has really turned so much of the country to sh*t." I didn't post it here, although I may have read it through a link.

    http://sfist.com/2008/03/31/presidential_me_1.php

    If someone else posted a link to this or a similar article, I apologize for purloining your work.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 9:02 AM

  43. And from a tin foil hat wearer let me also wish you a Happy Birthday.

    God Bless.

    Posted by: anon-paranoid Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 9:11 AM

  44. Probably has to be low budget. Hillary doesn't have as many big defense contractor connections as your guy....

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 9:13 AM

  45. yes we should'nt speak of 'barack the beloved' in a demeaning fashion''' he does have some big ears though

    Posted by: mqw | April 3, 2008 9:13 AM

  46. I'm not trying to get anything started, just providing info. Looks like there is an effort to push the "secret Muslim" story. It's the first headline at WND. The Right wing is not going to stop using this line of attack.

    Posted by: GORDO | April 3, 2008 9:15 AM

  47. Sturgeon
    I'll be sixty eight Saturday and and the 50's were the best too bad we couldn't have today's technology and the 50's mindset.It was such a mellow time.You could walk down the street late at night and feel safe.No one locked their doors.Obesity was rare.Men didn't swear in front of women.Now it's the women with the foul language.Your sexual life was behind closed doors or as in many cases in the back seat.Now if they feel the urge they go in the bathrooms of the local bar or in Larry Craig's case the airport bathrooms.I guess that's progress.

    Posted by: painter Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 9:18 AM

  48. Great political ad parody from last night's Jimmy Kimmel show.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghcXKArPrH0

    Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 3, 2008 9:21 AM

  49. Clinton's ad may have poor production qualities but in Obama's ad the content is a lie according to Fact Check.

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 9:23 AM

  50. "I'm not trying to get anything started"

    Of course you are Gordo. Stop beating this dead camel.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 9:24 AM

  51. Pogo,
    I can paint on canvas but I leave the other stuff to ny husband.My kitchen needs painting and I did it once but I'm waiting him out,hoping he will do it..But maybe when I can open windows again I'll take a stab at it.

    Posted by: painter Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 9:27 AM

  52. Up thread a question about debates

    Obama Clinton Debate in Philadelphia
    UNITED STATES
    PHILADELPHIA • National Constitution Center • 16 April 2008

    In anticipation of the Pennsylvania primary on April 22, democratic presidential candidates Senators Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton will participate in a televised ABC News debate.

    The National Constitution Center in Philadelphia will host the democratic presidential candidates debate on Wednesday, April 16, 2008. No public tickets will be available for this event.

    At least the maroons from nothingbutcrap aren't involved

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 9:30 AM

  53. Did you put the Corzine remark in the proper context NO ...geee what a suprise

    lies deception and distortion are the stock in trade of Obama

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 9:32 AM

  54. I think you have to be 55 to join AARP ...

    Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 9:34 AM

  55. See, painter, I can paint on drywall, but leave any painting on canvas to folks with decent senses of color and proportioin, and who, by the way, I am in awe of.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 9:34 AM

  56. This is not a good thing to happen to any candidate for security reasons. It should of not gone on as long as it did. If Bill or Hillary had done this it would be a front page story for days.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/02/visibly-annoyed-obama-refuses-to-pose-for-picture/

    Posted by: vadaryl Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 9:34 AM

  57. Patsi--------------------

    Talk to WND - I'm sure they will obey your command.

    Posted by: GORDO | April 3, 2008 9:36 AM

  58. "I think you have to be 55 to join AARP ... "

    Nope...they sent me The Letter when I turned 50. Made me a bit ill.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 9:37 AM

  59. I think you have to be 55 to join AARP ...
    --EuroTom

    no, at age 50, one can join AARP(lite)... 8~)

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 9:37 AM

  60. ET, you're obviously not on AARP's recruitment list - I'll make sure that oversight gets corrected.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 9:40 AM

  61. Now that NATO approves of a Missile Defense System in Europe on Russia's border I think we may be seeing Russia counter acting by placing their Missile Defense System in Cuba and staging their Missiles in Venezuela with Chavez.

    Will we have another Cuban Missile Crisis?

    Posted by: anon-paranoid Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 9:41 AM

  62. You know, I read Patsi's 9:29 post and don't see anything in it that suggests any man hating tendencies. Patsi, are you really a man hater? You've always been nice to me. You don't hate me because I'm a man do you? Besides, I think the best song Chicago (Transit Authority) did was "I'm a Man." No...must...not... Note to self - civility at Craig's site on 4/3/08 ended at 9:38 AM, EDT. What a crock.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 9:51 AM

  63. Gore response to Obama's attempt to pretend Al Gore has made a sub rosa endorsement

    "No thanks and No endorsement."

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 9:53 AM

  64. ET, the AARP recruitment materials should begin arriving at your door by August 6, 2008. I recommend you consider purchasing an industrial grade shredder to fight identity theft from your trash.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 9:54 AM

  65. April 3rd, 2008 9:17 am ET

    From Mike Allen @ Politico.com:

    "THE ARGUMENT — George Stephanopoulos on "World News": "Sources with direct knowledge of the conversation between Sen. Clinton and Gov. Bill Richardson … prior to the governor's endorsement of Obama, say she told him flatly, 'He cannot win, Bill. He cannot win.' "

    It gets a Drudge banner and is the cover of the N.Y. Post: " 'Obama can't win' - Hill made brazen claim to sway Barack backer."

    ***PLAYBOOK EXCLUSIVE - PAUL HARVEY'S THE REST OF THE STORY: It turns out it was Governor Richardson who told the Clintons that he did not think Obama could win when he promised them he would not endorse Obama. According to a source with knowledge of the conversation, the governor said then that Obama was too inexperienced. "

    Posted by: tz | April 3, 2008 9:57 AM

  66. Source: Richardson said Obama can't win

    "New Mexico Governor, in talks with both Clintons about his endorsement, is said to have been the one to argue that Obama did not have the experience necessary to beat McCain.

    A Clinton associate reacts: “Bill Richardson is clearly embarrassed that he broke his promise to them.”

    http://thepage.time.com/2008/04/03/source-richardson-said-obama-cant-win/

    Posted by: GORDO | April 3, 2008 9:58 AM

  67. the above is a perfect why we cant trust a ciased media

    Posted by: tz | April 3, 2008 9:58 AM

  68. AP, we'll have to keep tabs on that missile defense deal and Russia & Cuba's response. This is not one of your more unlikely scenarios, although I don't know how cozy Russia and Cuba are these days. I do know that this badly compromises any credibility we might have in an argument against the installation of defensive missile systems in Cuba.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 10:01 AM

  69. repost

    the paul harvey article proves you cant trust the MSM because they are biased and dont investigate the story ...only want to bash clinton...dont give a dam if its the truth or not

    Posted by: tz | April 3, 2008 10:02 AM

  70. This is an even better AARP site...

    http://www.aarp.org/

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 10:10 AM

  71. Rezko/Meeks/Obama

    and scroll down for a comment on the Auchi gift

    http://www.chicagopride.com/news/article.cfm/articleid/5603104

    Posted by: Maxtrue | April 3, 2008 10:10 AM

  72. Speaking of dishonest crappy media the Washington Post (comost) continues its dive to the bottom

    http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2008/04/casey-myth-once-again.html

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 10:19 AM

  73. Mike Allen in Politico: Obama pulls in $40 million in March; average contribution $96.00; 218,000 new donors.

    Politico: "The Obama campaign announced Thursday morning that more than 442,000 contributors gave his campiagn more than $40 million in March.

    The campaign, which did not release an exact total, said more than 218,000 donors contributed to the campaign for the first time, and the average contribution level was $96.

    ... The campaign's figures:

    Total Raised in March: More than $40 million

    Contributors in March: More than 442,000

    First-Time Contributors in March: More than 218,000

    Average Contribution: $96

    Total Contributors to Date: More than 1,276,000

    Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 3, 2008 10:20 AM

  74. Dear Nancy:
    50 is for men, once we are 21 we stop aging:-))
    WOOOOOHOOOOOOO

    Sincerely,
    Heather

    Posted by: Heather Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 10:24 AM

  75. pogo...

    I posted this back on June 17th., 2007 and it still stands today.

    An open letter to Russia's Vladmir Putin
    http://america-weeps.blogspot.com/2007/06/open-letter-to-russias-vladmir-putin.html

    And the post before this:

    A Rogue Nation Rekindles Cold War
    http://america-weeps.blogspot.com/2007/06/rogue-nation-rekindles-cold-war.html

    This is where we may be heading very soon. I do expect us to be involved in a War with Iran before the elections and the Dark Lords visits to the same regions and countries this time around could mark the beginning of it.

    While our attention is turned to the nomination contest going on they are planning the next war.

    While everyone bickers about who's electable and who's not the wheels of War ratchet up and before anyone realizes it it will be to late to stop.

    Hope it doesn't happen, however it appears very likely now.

    Posted by: anon-paranoid Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 10:25 AM

  76. Politico website: that's interesting. Pulled it up about 10 mins. ago to research Mike Allen story "tz" referenced.

    Very briefly, they had up story on Jimmy Carter "all but endorsing" Obama, as reported by a Nigerian paper; might have mentioned Carter has met some of Obama's relatives in Africa ... I clicked on Allen story; in meantime the JCarter story has disappeared and not reappeared on Politico's homepage.

    April Fool's joke? Another erroneous Nigerian email?

    Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 3, 2008 10:29 AM

  77. 50th Birthday Quotes

    The years between fifty and seventy are the hardest. You are always being asked to do things, and yet you are not decrepit enough to turn them down.
    - T.S. Eliot

    Looking fifty is great--if you're sixty.
    - Joan Rivers

    At age 50, everyone has the face he deserves.
    - George Orwell

    The man who views the world at fifty the same as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.
    - Muhammad Ali

    You take all of the experience and judgment of men over 50 out of the world and there wouldn't be enough left to run it.
    - Henry Ford



    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 10:32 AM

  78. LOL
    Am I the only 30 year old cat here?

    Anyway
    Happy Birthday B.

    Can someopne enlighten me about the Richardson story. Don´t understand who said what when..... A bit clueless

    Posted by: Jason | April 3, 2008 10:32 AM

  79. Interesting look at Media bias and the Obama campaign from Europe

    http://www.newstatesman.com/200804030028

    I would recommend the last Maher Show to get Obamniacs latest spin on Wright and Hillary.

    Savage and Smiley were particularly enlightening though Maher did not protest and Klein looked like he might vomit at times. Even the Spitzer episode was a case against the Patriot Act and not immorality....

    Posted by: Maxtrue | April 3, 2008 10:32 AM

  80. Jason....I have sox that are older than you!!

    ROTFLMOAO!!!

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 10:34 AM

  81. what do the latest poll say guys?

    @Max: Here in Holland people laugh at the media circus. My colleagues that I meet in the lunchroom constantly ask me: No offense man, but how do they prefer an inexperienced cheap talker over a hard working experienced woman...Here in Holland Hillary would have won before any primary would start...

    I just sit, and say: THE MEDIA!

    They do not understand though....

    Posted by: Jason | April 3, 2008 10:37 AM

  82. LL.
    Can´t be....Come on LL. You and I need to go buy you some fresh sox
    LMPO.....

    If it is any comfort...I will turn 31 in July!

    Posted by: Jason | April 3, 2008 10:39 AM

  83. GORDO PLEASE!!!!!

    HAVE MERCY ON US!!!!

    GO TROLL IN OTHER WATERS!!!!!

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 10:39 AM

  84. Max & AP, no, really, I do think that Cuba and Venezuela present prime opportunities for Russia to stage its own missile defense system in the west, and Raul and Chavez would just love to stick it to the US. It does indeed bear watching. In this case, Nato is not necessarily our friend as we attend to the world but ignore our own back yard.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 10:40 AM

  85. Craig, again, I think you're simply keeping the story alive in a really reprehensible, and uncreative, way - how many "showdowns" does this election need? I understand it's in the media's best interest to keep the narrative of the race alive, but come on, can you at least be original about your coverage? Another showdown (cue bright lights, explosions)? Really? isn't this race, other than through some technicality on the part of the Clinton campaign and the super delegates, over for all intents and purposes?

    Posted by: Aaron | April 3, 2008 10:41 AM

  86. Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 10:42 AM

  87. I need to be in Portland today so will fit in a couple hours of Hillary sign holding.

    More and more people are talking here about Obama's inexperience.

    We see this all the time..the slick, new product gets lots of attention..Time is HIllary's best friend as the Audacity of Hype becomes more clear.

    Posted by: Oregon Democrat | April 3, 2008 10:50 AM

  88. jason, I envy you your youth - at your age I had just gotten married the first time (of only 2, thankfully), was an avid cyclist, dirt bike racer and whiitewater kayaker. Now I fondly recall those days and order sweet peppers on my steak hoagies. I'd say the average age here is, well, more than 50. Sometimes the posters here are so old you can almost hear the virtual creaks as we lean toward our keyboards.

    Lush - I always say shorts or t-shirts ( in this case, probably truthfully).

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 10:53 AM

  89. Allthough in the primaries TIME was always on his side, in the end TIME will be on her side
    The only thing she needs to do, is not give up.

    He outraises her
    He outspents her
    He leads her

    Yet still, he cannot close the dealll

    And now the deterioration starts...Hmmmmm
    Maybe Oprah needs to come to the rescue

    Rise Hillary Rise....

    Posted by: Jason | April 3, 2008 10:55 AM

  90. I think you people are going a little overboard on claiming Obama has "trashed" the Clinton legacy. I am not sure about all of the nasty things you claim Obama has said (but I think many are attributing statements to Obama that have been made by pundits or Obama supporters - to the extent there is any difference ; )

    I am familiar with the Reagan comments - and I don't think that statement was so bad (and it was also true).

    Moreover, the Clinton legacy IS NOT trashed. I agree it has been tarnished during this campaign - but that has a lot more to do with the way the former President has conducted himself and the media - than anything Obama has said. (Of course the fact that Obama is beating the Clintons might hurt their legacy - but he can't be blamed for that).

    And listen, the real problem with Bill - is that he is acting like an over-enthusiastic spouse of a candidate - as opposed to acting like a former President. So I don't think he can be faulted TOO much for that.

    Plus, look on the bright side - once Obama wins and the Clintons back him as the Democratic nominee - much of this nonsense will be forgotten and the Clintons will get back to adding to their legacy - rather than detracting from it.

    Posted by: warren | April 3, 2008 10:55 AM

  91. When you claim someone is a racist why would you want them campaigning for you

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 10:57 AM

  92. Pogo, I agree and NATO resists a new vision that would increase Cybersecurity and protect energy supplies. I think however, Russia would not have much of a case that US ballistic missles threaten Cuba or South America. Also the BBC reports that South America has increased their positive take on the US despite US Media spin. Even Chavez was defeated by his own people.

    Also, please note the Gore deal that let Russia continue to supply Iran with arms and technology in order to protect US arm exports to NATO and other US allies. This is a fact. Adding Gore to an Obama team might be questionable if it involves foreign policy. Also Gore made some pretty harsh rants about removing Saddam and the consequence of Saddam re-armed.

    One other point: Russia has been testing a manueverable re-entry warhead, though they call it a capsule. Clear violation of anti-ballistic treaty. As the world awaits Iranian sats in space, the question if whether their launch vehicle to do this constitues a ballistic missile capable of reaching Europe or even the US is strange. Personally, I think Iran lauching a nuke at us is absurd, but such a reality serves as a deterrent against bad moves they make. The real danger is fingerprintless delivery systems and radioactive material which is exactly what FARC wants.

    Posted by: Maxtrue | April 3, 2008 10:57 AM

  93. "I'd say the average age here is, well, more than 50." pogo

    Hey Pogo, when I do the math - my average age is way lower then that.... : )

    Now -I have to go they are howling (dogs)

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 10:59 AM

  94. Sam Stein
    The Huffington Post

    2008
    Obama Camp's Memo on Clintons' Politicizing Race
    January 12, 2008 01:15 PM
    !Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign has prepared a detailed memo listing various instances in which it perceived Sen. Hillary Clinton's campaign to have deliberately played the race card in the Democratic primary.

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 10:59 AM

  95. Chris Matthews may have seen something yesterday that worried him or MSNBC called him on the carpet. For the first time, I actually heard him question whether or not Sen. Obama had the "fiber" to be president. Not exactly an about face but at least not drooling in abject adoration while lambasting Hillary.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 10:59 AM

  96. Pogo..

    You killin´ me bro; ya killin me....LMPO

    I am old allready. I mean 30...I need to finish my dissertation soon or I will go crazy.. then finally I can really enjoy life. Been studiying too long now. Have enough titles. LOL

    Anyway, some one give me some polls that I can laugh about.....
    I am here untill 6 (one hour form now) and then off to tennis lessons...

    Posted by: Jason | April 3, 2008 10:59 AM

  97. "Patsi, are you really a man hater? You've always been nice to me. You don't hate me because I'm a man do you?"

    Ha! No, I hate you because you're beautiful! (KIDDING!)

    I grew up around cowboys, how could I hate men?

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 11:01 AM

  98. I agree with K and the spin that 1. Obama did not trash the Clintons and 2. this is the greatest fodder for Republicans is simply wrong. Another example of Obamniacs wanting it both ways. If I were the Clintons my support would be little at best and Hillary SHOULD not tarnish herself with what will follow an Obama administration by taking the VP. Bill has every reason to be red-faced as he has been tarred and feathered, called a racist and placed along side of Nixon.

    Warren time to see the eye-doctor.

    Posted by: Maxtrue | April 3, 2008 11:03 AM

  99. Rasmussen National Poll Yesterday..

    Hillary Leads Obama by 1 point..

    I shared Maya Angelou "Rise Hillary Rise" to friends..very good reaction..

    Campaign should e-mail to all supporters to share..

    Off to Portland...gorgeous day

    Posted by: Oregon Democrat | April 3, 2008 11:04 AM

  100. Jason:

    Time is not on Hillary's side. Her best chance to win this thing was on Feb. 5. And one of the most clear trends from this campaign - is that when Obama has time - he is able to close the gap in states that favor Clinton.

    He outspends her because he gets more donations - which is a good sign of enthusiasim - especially the way Obama raises money.

    And once again - with feeling - there is no secret problem or inadequacy with Obama that - "prevents him from closing the deal." (which I think was a phrase coined by Mary Matlin - the GOP is using Clinton supporters like GORDO to do their dirty work so that McCain can keep his hands clean).

    Anyways - back to the point. Obama will not "close the deal" or "deliver a knock out blow" because Clinton has very loyal supporters that will not vote for Obama with her still in the race. This explains Obama's supposed "problem with white voters." These people aren't racist - they just love the Clintons!!

    So I guess we will just have to be patient and continue to watch Obama win more delegates, votes and states.

    Patience is a virtue....

    Posted by: warren Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 11:04 AM

  101. If Obama is the candidate President and Senator Clinton should go on a long and restful vacation and do as Obama supporters have suggested and not be involved.

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 11:04 AM

  102. OK, getting locked out. Trying for third time here:

    Jason at 10:32 a: Can someopne enlighten me about the Richardson story. Don´t understand who said what when..... A bit clueless
    ====

    Jason and tz: have been looking into the Richardson story and am wondering myself if it should have ever hit the airwaves. Can find no attribution of sources whatsoever. (Drudge and NY Daily News offer no named sources either.) Can other C List readers help here?

    RE ABC News report last night by George Stephanopoulos, per ABC Political Radar site today:

    NOTE: I will list link in next post. Wondering why C List won't accept this post so left it out of this one.

    Pertinent parts: "Sources with direct knowledge of the conversation between Sen. Clinton and Gov. Bill Richardson, D-N.M., prior to the Governor's endorsement of Obama say she told him flatly, "He cannot win, Bill. He cannot win."

    Richardson, who served in President Clinton's cabinet, disagreed. [FIRST ITEM, MULTIPLE SOURCES, NONE NAMED]

    .... Yet here's a wrinkle, from a source with direct knowledge of Richardson's conversations with the Clintons: Richardson himself told Sen. Clinton and former President Clinton that he didn't think Obama could win, back when he was (according to the Clintons) telling them earlier this year that he wouldn't endorse Obama. [

    "Too inexperienced," Richardson said, the source tells ABC News. [SAME OR ANOTHER UNIDENTIFIED SOURCE RE CONVERSATION EARLY THIS YEAR]

    =====
    tz was grousing about no MSM coverage, but here's what Mark Halperin put up in Time mag online:

    Labeled: Comment from Clinton Associate: “Bill Richardson is clearly embarrassed that he broke his promise to them. He should come out and tell the truth and admit that he told both Clintons that Obama wasn’t ready and can’t win.”

    ========
    I am mystified why ABC or Time went with these stories, when no one was willing to speak for attribution.


    Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 3, 2008 11:05 AM

  103. Here is the ABC site link re Political Radar referenced in my 11:05 a post.

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/candidate-clint.html

    Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 3, 2008 11:06 AM

  104. Jenny McCarthy's behavior, her disrespect, and vulgar language interfere with her message.
    --Oregon Democrat

    I agree. I was shocked and saddened by her behavior, on Larry King. 8~(

    HBO is now showing a documentary about 5 children with autism...it is called, "Autism: the Musical".

    http://www.autismthemusical.com/index.php?session=myhomepage&id=

    Check it out...

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 11:07 AM

  105. Chris M asked Obama to explain the pastor near the end of the interview and Obama said something about spending to much time on the subject and then something else I could not hear and it stopped Chris from asking anymore questions about it , does anybody know what he said to get Chris off the subject?

    Posted by: vadaryl Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 11:09 AM

  106. Show me the memo - as opposed to some reporter's characterization of it.

    Right after SC, I saw Tucker Carlson read a few quotes from very straight-forward memo from the Obama campaign - and then paraphrase them and inject charges of racism that I did not see in the statements.

    So consider your sources...a lot of these conservatives anlayzing the Democratic race have a "hidden agenda" - and that is no conspiracy theory my friends...

    Posted by: warren Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 11:09 AM

  107. Thnx.....

    I wanna see sources. Clearly there are none; or do not want to be quoted.

    @warren: Partly right.
    But time is on her side. U know why: Poeple looking past the amounts raised and looking at the cattle. My guess. And frankly I do not love the Clintons, I just thin HRC will be a better president than Barrack.

    We will see in the end.

    Posted by: Jason | April 3, 2008 11:11 AM

  108. "That’s right folks. As you know this race is close, so 25 delegates can mean a lot. Well, you can rest well tonight knowing that 25 appointed delegates, the names and affiliations unknown to us, are going to pick our Democratic candidate–all of them appointed by Howard Dean with Donna Brazile’s blessings. Now who do you suppose will be the beneficiary of those 25 obscure and magical votes, that are not acquired through ANY primary or caucus?"

    http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/03/a-car-dealer-a-college-student-and-a-lobbyist-were-sitting-in-a-bar/

    Posted by: GORDO | April 3, 2008 11:11 AM

  109. There have been plenty of "no attribution" stories about Senator Clinton.

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 11:11 AM

  110. Wsrren

    You can pretend it didn't eist but it does.
    And Tucker Carlson didn't write the memo or make the charges. The Obama campaign did.

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 11:14 AM

  111. I think however, Russia would not have much of a case that US ballistic missles threaten Cuba or South America.

    That's not the point. The point is that we didn't want Russian Missiles on our doorstep and now were putting our Missiles on there doorstep.

    Russia putting a Missile Defense Shield in Cuba and staging the actual war heads in Venezuela is no different than what we are doing.

    Russia would be putting them there to protect and aide Russia and there allies were we to launch a Nuclear Missile at them from the the new base Bush wants to build on their doorstep.

    Posted by: anon-paranoid Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 11:14 AM

  112. Posted by: vadaryl Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 11:15 AM

  113. Ladies Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

    We do not age after 21, thats reserved for men only\(^ ^)/

    (  ゚,_ゝ゚) Heather

    Posted by: Heather Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 11:18 AM

  114. KGC: thanks for finding the Politico Jimmy Carter story; it did not come up when I searched for "Jimmy Carter". Good to find it in Ben Smith's blog.

    FYI: http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/

    PS: his first item now is on the Florida and Michigan debacle: "There's some polling suggesting that voters in Florida and Michigan will be less likely to vote for Democrats if their votes aren't counted, though you might expect that to fade over the course of a long general election fought on more concrete issues. ..."

    Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 3, 2008 11:18 AM

  115. though you might expect that to fade over the course of a long general election fought on more concrete issues. ..."

    or become more entrenched depending upon the attitude of the candidates about their votes.

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 11:20 AM

  116. Jason - I forgot to add - I was and ABD at that time. (And I hesitate to ask, but is your "P" what I think it probably is?)

    U-B, I like your math (but I question it).

    Patsi, one thing I've never thought about you is that you are a man hater. (What is the reverse of misogyny called anyway?) How are the beanie weaneys coming?

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 11:24 AM

  117. Here's item from Talking Points Memo: putting it up because reporter says "Shipley" wouldn't return calls, and that's first time a name has surfaced ...

    "Top Hillary Adviser: Richardson Privately Said Obama Is Unelectable
    By Greg Sargent - April 3, 2008, 9:59AM

    This morning, Mark Halperin quoted a Clinton "associate" saying that Bill Richardson privately had confided to the Clintons that he thought Obama couldn't win a general election.

    Now I've got more. A top Hillary adviser confirms this, telling me:

    "Bill Richardson repeatedly promised he would not endorse Obama -- and the reason he gave was that Obama wasn't ready -- he couldn't be elected."

    After the news broke yesterday that Bill Clinton grew angry in a meeting with California super-delegates, and asserted that Richardson had promised five times not to endorse Obama, a Richardson spokesperson denied that Richardson ever promised Hillary any endorsement.

    But that isn't what is being reported. Rather, what's being reported is that Richardson promised he wouldn't endorse Obama. Shipley didn't return my call asking for comment on that.

    Now a top Hillary adviser has asserted to me that this happened, and claims that Richardson said the reason for this was that he didn't think Obama could win.

    We'll be reporting this out more today."


    Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 3, 2008 11:27 AM

  118. Another crane just collapesed this time in FL.

    Posted by: vadaryl Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 11:32 AM

  119. Pahl Shipley is a Richardson spokesperson.

    From January press release on Richardson's exploratory committeee:

    Pahl Shipley: Shipley was most recently the Communications Director and Chief Spokesperson in the Office of Governor Bill Richardson. Shipley is a 25-year award-winning veteran of television news and prior to working for Richardson, he served as the News Director at KOAT-TV in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
    ==========

    So, sadly, maybe not a slip on the "source."

    Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 3, 2008 11:32 AM

  120. Anon, you're acting nutty again. First JFK put American Jupiter nuclear missiles in Turkey and that figured greatly in the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    Russia is not objecting to Missile Defense in Europe because it tagets new nukes at them, but rather reduces the threat of their nukes they use for pychological reasons (see threats to target Ukraine).

    Your analysis is completely wrong as usual and in the end MissileDefense will come because of the proliferation of short range, intermediate rang and long range missiles. NK is producing a medium range missile that can be fires clandestinely from cargo containers on ships or from others small sea-based platforms. And Obama should remember this push for defensive technology came from Reagan and has been supported in a bipartisan way.

    Do your homework and if you are confused about the Cuban Missile Crisis, see Avalon archives over at Yale. Read what JFK and Russia actually said, not what you imagine.

    Posted by: Maxtrue | April 3, 2008 11:34 AM

  121. Max, the argument would likely go something like this - we have to position the defensive missiles so that they could intercept and destroy the US nucs before they reach Europe, where they would be intercepted by the US and NATO missile defense system. It might not be compelling, and may not even be plausible based on the systems involved, but it's an argument I'd expect to hear.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 11:36 AM

  122. And Max, don't misunderstand me - I am not saying that I expect any of this to occur or even that Russia would float the idea as a trial balloon to see how the West would react, just that it bears watching.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 11:42 AM

  123. pogo...

    At least you get it. The defense shield were putting in is in the Chec {not sure of the spelling} Republic and the Missiles would be in Poland on Russia's doorstep.

    That makes for a first strike by us hard to stop. If Russia puts a defense shield in Cuba and stages their Missiles in Venezuela they would still be able to retaliate against a first strike against us.

    They would also be able like you said to stop any Missiles launched at Europe by us and becomes a deterrent against America using Nuclear Missiles in a first strike against any foreign government we intend to do Nation Building in.

    Posted by: anon-paranoid Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 11:43 AM

  124. "If Obama is the candidate President and Senator Clinton should go on a long and restful vacation and do as Obama supporters have suggested and not be involved."

    Agreed.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 11:46 AM

  125. " does anybody know what he said to get Chris off the subject?"

    Obama told Matthews that HE (Matthews) also said outrageous things....Matthews then said, "But I'm not your preacher and you didn't give me $27,000" -- then sort of backed off.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 11:50 AM

  126. Can the Clintons survive the release of their tax returns? In the last 7 years Bill made $47 million "giving speeches." (That's the smart way to buy influence these days.)

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4581608&page=1

    Posted by: nash Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 11:53 AM

  127. KGC:

    Show me the memo. Until that, based on the journalistic standards of this blog, your comments are just "spindrool."

    (Actually "spindrool" based on an article by some media flak is actually "spindrool squared.")

    Posted by: warren Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 11:56 AM

  128. "Right after SC, I saw Tucker Carlson read a few quotes from very straight-forward memo from the Obama campaign - and then paraphrase them and inject charges of racism that I did not see in the statements.
    So consider your sources...a lot of these conservatives anlayzing the Democratic race have a "hidden agenda" - and that is no conspiracy theory my friends..."

    I think you are right about that, Warren. I heard many of the same kinds of things that were absolutely twisted until they were nothing like the original statement.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 11:57 AM

  129. Warren
    Whatever.

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 11:58 AM

  130. Patsi - that was about all of the interview I saw ( Li'l Pogo and I were studying math). I thought it was an artful dodge - and I was also surprised (sarcasm here) that (1) CM didn't push the issue with another couple of questions, and (2) that Abrams thought CM had been aggressive in his questionning. His failure to press the issue is the equivalent of a lawyer just saying "OK" after a witness tries to dodge his question by making a snarky comment in response to a question.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 11:59 AM

  131. "Can the Clintons survive the release of their tax returns? In the last 7 years Bill made $47 million "giving speeches." (That's the smart way to buy influence these days.)"

    Why the hell shouldn't he make money giving speeches, Nash? Or do you only like people like Bush, who either stole his money or inherited it? Or McCain & Kerry, who married it.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 12:02 PM

  132. "Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign has prepared a detailed memo listing various instances in which it perceived Sen. Hillary Clinton's campaign to have deliberately played the race card in the Democratic primary. [

    The memo, which was obtained by the Huffington Post and has been made public elsewhere, is believed to have been given to an activist and contains mostly excerpts from different media reports. It lists the contact info and name of Obama's South Carolina press secretary, Amaya Smith, and is broken down into five incidents in which either Clinton, her husband Bill, or campaign surrogates made comments that could be interpreted as racially insensitive.

    The document provides an indication that, in private, the Obama campaign is seeking to capitalize on the view - and push the narrative - that the Clintons are using race-related issues for political leverage. In public, the Obama campaign has denied that they are trying to propagate such a perception, noting that the document never was sent to the press."

    Sam Stein
    The Huffington Post
    Sam Stein is a Political Reporter at the Huffington Post, based in Washington, D.C. Previously he has worked for Newsweek magazine, the New York Daily News and the investigative journalism group Center for Public Integrity. He has a masters from the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism and is a graduate of Dartmouth College. Sam can be reached at stein@huffingtonpost.com.
    well known rightwinger at the anti obama huffpo :)

    Right they pretended not to make it public


    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 12:05 PM

  133. Of course, warren and KC, memo or no, Axelrod isn't so careful or reticent in his comments.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Axelrod_Clinton_campaign_has_insidious_pattern_on_race.html

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 12:08 PM

  134. Axelrod....gee projection much.
    He's the guy who stole court documents relating to an oponent and made them public

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 12:12 PM

  135. The long Dem primary battle has some advantages. McCain has been shoved off the news most days as the MSM focuses on the latest daily update in the Obama/Clinton death match. McCain isn't getting a free ride; he's being ignored.

    Every bit of dirt that can be dug up on either Dem candidate is being thrown around now. The Republicans won't have much to work with in a general election swiftboat campaign.

    Finally, a longer general election campaign would favor McCain. He's got an uphill battle to sell "conservative" solutions to our problems, after 7 years of conservative Bush policy disasters.

    So, let the battle rage on. It's good for Dems.

    Posted by: nash Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 12:14 PM

  136. Didn't read the link on Bill Clinton's making $47 million in speech income, but that sounds fine by me. He'd be an interesting speaker, has done a lot since leaving office, and has lots to say.

    How much do you think GWBush will ever make from lecture fees? That might be a figure none of us ever sees released. He could raise more money from people who want him to just go away.

    Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 3, 2008 12:15 PM

  137. How we became a country that Tortures. From the White House down all these individuals in this article our War Criminals.

    http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/05/guantanamo200805

    So do we hang the lawyers now or after they stand trial in the Hague for their War Crimes?

    And to be fair all those in the Executive Branch as well who were involved in this.

    Posted by: anon-paranoid Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 12:16 PM

  138. David Axelrod a pattern of rage and accusations.

    "Always in search of a hero, he idolized Simon, the bowtie-wearing Downstater known for his earnestness, decency and commitment to principle--virtues Axelrod had stressed in previous campaigns.

    But, in 1991, Axelrod was handling the media for Hofeld, another Democrat seeking a U.S. Senate seat. Hofeld was running in the primary against incumbent Sen. Alan Dixon, and in a brass-knuckles ad blitz, Axelrod bludgeoned Dixon as the tool of lobbyists.

    Simon came to the aid of his longtime friend and colleague, endorsing Dixon on TV and stumping for him throughout the state.

    Axelrod responded with venom.

    Simon--the man whose decency Axelrod had trumpeted, whose principles had been his inspiration--had, by defending Dixon, whom Axelrod considered a politics-as-usual candidate, shown himself to be nothing more than "an aspiring hack trapped in a reformer's body."

    In 1998, for instance, the campaign aides for Glenn Poshard, one of four candidates for the Democratic nomination for U.S. senator, were incensed at a commercial that Axelrod, working for a foe, John Schmidt, aired against him. It showed a grainy clip of Poshard giving a passionate speech, slowed to exaggerate his body movements and facial expressions.

    Poshard's people cried foul, contending it was made to resemble newsreel footage of Adolf Hitler. Axelrod said blandly he had no idea what they were talking about."
    Chicago Tribune

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 12:20 PM

  139. Patsi: People making near-minimum wage, who have no health insurance, are not going to be very happy to hear how much loot the Clintons are raking in.

    This reinforces the belief that the Clintons are just too cozy within the existing power structure to ever do anything to fundamentally change it.

    Posted by: nash Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 12:23 PM

  140. As opposed to the amount of money the Obama's are making? Compared to the Clinton's income at the same age, the Obama's are doing very well.

    Also Obama became a Senator got special funding for his wife'e emplloyer and she got a $200,000.00 raise

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 12:25 PM

  141. Obamas Gave Less Than 1% of Their 2000-2004 Income to Charity
    March 25, 2008 4:06 PM

    This is why politicians don't like to release their tax returns!

    Bloomberg News crunches the numbers on Sen. Barack and Michelle Obama's newly-released tax returns and finds:

    "The Obamas' donations to all recipients totaled $2,350 in 2000, $1,470 in 2001, $1,050 in 2002, $3,400 in 2003, and $2,500 in 2004. They also paid federal taxes totaling $311,044 during the same period on their $1.2 million of income."
    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/obamas-gave-les.html

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 12:28 PM

  142. dog: What's wrong with making $47 million giving speeches?

    * It's an obscene amount of money. No one needs that much.

    * The people paying for the speeches have been indirectly currying favor with Hillary, because everyone has known she was running for President since the day she announced her run for the Senate. The speaking fees are bribes: money paid for future "access."

    * Just because the Bush family has used the same scam does not make it right. It's called corruption.

    Posted by: nash Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 12:33 PM

  143. See Pogo, you just end up feeding Anon's dellusions. US intercontinental ballistic missiles are the last thing we'll fire and stopping them from South America is more than a stretch. Something lost on Anon. Any first strike on Russia would come from Subs where the launch to strike time is faster than present Russian missile defense systems, or ours. I know you understand this, but Anon does not. Stealth air craft and mobile missiles closer to Russia would be used.

    Anon is clueless. What the Russians could do would be to produce a missile defense system of their own and place it on their border. Still, they have potential launch sites encircling them, so this would be costly and difficult. Their best choice would be to make more dummy warheads, but the latest US technology promises to "see" dummy warheads from real ones and speed of light systems that will be coming within a decade or two can handle many warheads.

    The problem is the proliferation of missiles, but the Russians can't limit them too much because much of their deterrence credibility lies in nukes on missiles. Again, this is their concern -that missile defense takes away their deterrence, not endangers them through our placing more missiles near them. I suggest they act on limiting new nuclear nations and preventing new regimes with long range capabilities. Instead they are planning to sell silent subs to Iran and Chavez. This is wonderful and pushes us to have missile defense here in the US to gaurd against rogue launches by terrorists who don't care about being killed. And should these subs be linked to Russia, will we nuke them in retaliation? If the Iranians or the Koreans gave them radioactive material, would we nuke them too, or would we be able to tell through nuclear forensics?

    These are the real issues and missile defense is going to grow, not decrease until we collectively solve these problems -thus the Russians yielding a bit.

    The problem with the Democrats is that they want to reverse everything Bush, while envoking Reagan..LOL and JFK. It is just a matter of time before 1000 kw lasers will make it hard for air born threats to work.

    Posted by: Maxtrue | April 3, 2008 12:35 PM

  144. Michelle Obama's hospital: On senator's wish-list


    by Mike Dorning

    Among the pork-barrel spending requests Barack Obama has made since arriving in the U.S. Senate is $1 million for the hospital where his wife worked at the time and $8 million for weapons technology made by a big defense contractor with close ties to a major fundraiser.

    Obama released on Thursday a list of all his requests for earmarked federal spending in 2005 and 2006. He already had released a list of spending requests made in 2007
    Chicago Tribune

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 12:35 PM

  145. B'rye - I'ts beautiful over the hill...or so I hear. (No worries. We will all find out soon enough if we aren't already there.) Enjoy your special day!

    I am so happy that Hil'ry is tough enough not to allow herself to be forced out of the race. Too bad there isn't a Dutch primary.

    W does seem intent on instigating Armegeddon and, thereby, the second coming before he leaves office. Arrogant, little feller, isn't he?

    Posted by: blueINdallas | April 3, 2008 12:42 PM

  146. "How much do you think GWBush will ever make from lecture fees? That might be a figure none of us ever sees released. He could raise more money from people who want him to just go away."

    ROFL! True!

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 12:43 PM

  147. "This reinforces the belief that the Clintons are just too cozy within the existing power structure to ever do anything to fundamentally change it."

    Bull. And as far as it being corrupt....then every damn politician or statesman or anyone else who makes money from a book, a speech or any company they are connected to is corrupt.

    There's a good analysis about why some people hate the Clintons, Nash, and I believe you are one of those. I'm gonna find it and paste just a bit here for you...because, you see, under it all, you don't mind the Kerrys or Bushes being rich....but for "Bubba" -- Southern son of a trailer trashy mom....guy who made it on his own....I think you hate that.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 12:48 PM

  148. maxtrue said this, "Anon, you're acting nutty again."

    Listen to him Anon, he is an expert on acting nutty.

    Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

    Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

    Posted by: yo soy Horsedooty! Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 12:48 PM

  149. 47 million over eight years. Chump change when you compare it to Goopers like the Plunger.

    In the same time Clinton has raised over 500 million for charity, And the Plunger gives even less than the Obama's.

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 12:56 PM

  150. http://anglachelg.blogspot.com/

    Partial article re: class and the Dems --

    In the minds of the liberal elite, the problems and failures of the progressive agenda could be laid at the feet of bigoted whites, the “Archie Bunkers” of the North, and the “Bubbas” of the South.

    --snip--

    Onto the scene came Bill Clinton, equal parts Bubba and Rhodes Scholar, the walking, talking embodiment of where the South, as geography, as history, as cultural imagination, could go. He was the New South. He had the Elvis. He liked fried food and NASCAR and wonkish policy papers in German.

    --snip--

    It is important that political cartoonists who hate Clinton, especially those on the left, emphasize him being a Bubba – a hillbilly, a hick, an untutored rube, someone who can’t speak good English, who dresses in overalls, chews on grass stems, and eats varmints for food.

    Oh, yeah, and he fucks a lot. Can’t forget that. Hillary becomes the foil, an uptight shrew who hates the slob she married and throws things at him. These two brilliant, educated, well-traveled, scary-smart people denigrated as Southerners.

    Pundits who write critically about the Clintons have no compunction against speaking of them as coming from a lower class than the deserving DC politicos.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 12:56 PM

  151. Obama's lackluster record on education.

    http://www.slate.com/id/2188010

    Posted by: GORDO | April 3, 2008 1:04 PM

  152. Why shoudn't she file individually, dog? I know a lot of married couples who do, especially ones who have big incomes.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 1:17 PM

  153. "The return does not say who owned the other half of the painting, which sold in 2003 for a total of $1,350,000, but it was presumably Kerry's multimillionaire heiress wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry. The two file separate tax returns, and the campaign did not release any information about Mrs. Kerry's income or taxes"

    I haven't heard anyone here asking for McCain's return and whether he and Cindy file jointly or separately.

    John Edwards stated he would not release his returns.

    This is just another stunt.

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 1:19 PM

  154. For the the hue and cry over the Clinton's presidential papers...the sum total of the coverage was where was she on the days, her huband was with Lewinsky.

    The Tax Returns will net only the same gotcha coverage.

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 1:22 PM

  155. Bill Richardson's WaPost op ed "Loyalty to the My Country" on his endorsement choice and relationship with the Clintons; includes link to related op ed by James Carville.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/01/AR2008040100885_pf.html

    Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 3, 2008 1:39 PM

  156. A very Thoughtful piece by Bill Richardson. One of the best of the party.

    Richardson Reponds To Carville

    http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/2008/04/bill-richardson-responds-to-carville.html

    Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 1:40 PM

  157. LOL Sorry Dog, I think we are thinking alike again....hmmm must be your friendship that is sticking to me!

    Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 1:41 PM

  158. Tivo + Imus = perfect combo.

    FF through the boring to get to the good stuff...like Craig...who was in fine form today.

    Posted by: "John Galt" | April 3, 2008 1:43 PM

  159. Sheila: I think that says we checked our inbox at about the same time!

    But it was an excellent op ed. Bonus for those who like Hillary but don't like the unattractive Mrs. C (Mrs. Carville) -- she does not get off unscathed either.

    Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 3, 2008 1:45 PM

  160. Yes Dog,

    I thought it was so notable that I just couldn't let it pass without sharing with others. Bill Richardson has become one of my heroes this year. He has really been a great peacemaker in the Primary and he didn't deserve the swipe from Carville.

    Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 1:47 PM

  161. On my lunchtime drive, I heard El Rushbo lay out one more line of attack that will be used against Obama if he gets the nomination - Jane Fonda told TMZ she supports him, and El Rushbo said we can expect to see her in her Hanoi Jane persona at the controls of the AA gun installation in Hanoi during Vietnam, with the suggestion that she may have been at the very AA gun that shot JMc down. This is certainly a step above the Swiftboat Liars' campaign against Kerry IMHO.

    Max, we talk here. Idiocy , insanity and ignorace are suffered here, but who's to say which of us have those qualities? It's now been over 20 years since Ronnie talked about ray guns to shoot missiles out of the air - and their development is still somewhere over the horizion. Yeah, I know that nucs are likely be launched from planes, mobile missiles and subs. That's a technical detail. The fact is, just as in physics, in diplomacy for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Russia will not confine its activities in response to its own soil - it may not try Cuba or Venezuela, but then again it may. I'm done with this topic because you, me and anon are all just speculating.

    And good for Bill. Becker was paid 5 mil last year to watch other guys paid a lot less play soccer. So what?

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 1:54 PM

  162. Sheila...

    Carville's wife worked with Scooter Libby and the Iraq Study Group out of the Dark Lords office to commit Treason by outing a NOC CIA Spy and the front company she ran Brewster, Jennings and Associates.

    If he thinks Bill Richardson is a Judas than what does that make his Wife? Oh thats right a Traitor.

    Outta here, maybe I'll catch you all later.

    God Bless.

    Posted by: anon-paranoid Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 1:54 PM

  163. Heather: so sorry to hear that.

    Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 3, 2008 1:54 PM

  164. Richardson is worse.

    He did it to serve his own interests, thinking
    Obama will lose and he will run in 2012
    Richardson will be in the Senate two years at that point.

    Posted by: Judas | April 3, 2008 1:59 PM

  165. Dear Dog:
    Thank you, much appreciated <3
    @--}----}---

    Sincerely,
    Heather

    Posted by: Heather Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 2:02 PM

  166. Unemployment figures ar ehighest in almost 4 years.

    http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/business/business-usa-economy-jobless.html

    How does Wall Street respond? Right now the Dow is up 30 points.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 2:22 PM

  167. Heather, dear, where do you come up with those great emoticons - they are a quantum leap above anything I've seen before.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 2:24 PM

  168. Gordo,

    "25 appointed delegates, the names and affiliations unknown to us, are going to pick our Democratic candidate–all of them appointed by Howard Dean with Donna Brazile’s blessings."

    Do you understand how the SDs become SDs?

    Before assuming some sort of conspiracy, you might find out how they are elected and/or chosen. Accuracy is important. NO Quarters is twisting the process for their own slant not to inform their readers.

    I may not like the system, but the way the rules exist Dean and Brazile among others are the officers in charge of the process.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 2:34 PM

  169. From the Trailmix Legal Dept., Desk of Pogo, Esq.

    Re: Good grief, you've got to be kidding

    Six year old branded sexual harasser by Prince William County school officials.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/02/AR2008040203463.html

    So in PWC, when they say they're going to put something in your permanent record, you'd better believe it.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 2:35 PM

  170. Heather,

    Don't mind me. I am afterall, "Holyer Than Thou" according to Patsi. ;00

    I am an equal opportunity commenter on rudeness, believe me.

    Good day to all!

    Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 2:39 PM

  171. Heather & Patsi - it's just this primay election that has otherwise nice, sane people like us acting crazy.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 2:41 PM

  172. Jamie.

    All always there's a tinge of truth to what the artcle G-man was referring. I think it's about the Credentials Committee. Dean gets to appoint some 25 or so members to fill out the balance of the 180+ committee membership. here's an except i found googling.

    “So who is the Credentials Committee? Every standing committee of the Convention has three chairs and its membership includes twenty-five party leaders/elected officials nominated by Howard Dean and 161 other members elected by the state delegations. The three chairs for the 2008 Credentials Committee are Alexis Herman, James Roosevelt Jr., and Eliseo Roques-Arroyo. None of the three donated to any of the presidential campaigns, though Alexis Herman did donate to Clinton’s Senate campaign. All three are also unaffiliated super delegates. More interesting however, is that Alexis Herman was Labor Secretary under President Clinton and Roosevelt was an Associate Commissioner in the Clinton-era Social Security Administration. Of the 25 party leaders and elected officials, three were Clinton super delegates at the time of this writing. The chairs and party leaders/elected officials will not have full control over the outcome of committee decisions, but they will have a lot of influence.”

    Posted by: Rezdog Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 2:50 PM

  173. "Pundits who write critically about the Clintons have no compunction against speaking of them as coming from a lower class than the deserving DC politicos."

    And Matthews this morning in describing Sen. Obama called him "elegant" .... I guess he is Channeling Nat "King" Cole

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFyKAUBkdOs

    Actually this comment is just an excuse to put up my favorite Hoagy Carmichael songs by one of my favorite performers. :-)

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 2:55 PM

  174. Rex,

    Very interesting. I was just wondering about looking into the process. Thanks for starting me out.

    Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 2:58 PM

  175. A musical dedication to all the otherwise nice, sane people acting crazy...

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=IKIQSo7JbKQ

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 2:58 PM

  176. LOLOL I mean REZ! Sorry. Watching "One Life To Live"

    Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 3:01 PM

  177. You're welcome Chex..:-)

    Posted by: Rezdog Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 3:02 PM

  178. Hillary is doing a GREAT interview ... no dodging about anything, just answering anything they want to ask.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 3:02 PM

  179. LOLOLOL

    Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 3:03 PM

  180. By the way, I Love Chex.

    Toasted in the oven with Butter and salt..... addicting.

    Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 3:05 PM

  181. Fox news announced that Hllary has agreed to CBS debate in NC. No comment from Obama campaign.

    CBS is wanting a debate badly.

    Also - Air America fired an announcer for calling Hillary and Geraldine Ferraro F****** W****.*.

    Julie

    Posted by: Julie-Young73 | April 3, 2008 3:10 PM

  182. Not my recipe. Went to www.chex.com for it.

    Original Chex Mix

    Ingredients:
    6 tablespoons butter or margarine
    2 tablespoons Worcestershire sauce
    1 1/2 teaspoons seasoned salt
    3/4 teaspoon garlic powder
    1/2 teaspoon onion powder
    3 cups Corn Chex® cereal
    3 cups Rice Chex® cereal
    3 cups Wheat Chex® cereal
    1 cup mixed nuts
    1 cup bite-size pretzels
    1 cup garlic-flavor bite-size bagel chips or regular-size bagel chips, broken into 1-inch pieces


    Preparation Directions:
    1. Heat oven to 250°F. In ungreased large roasting pan, melt butter in oven. Stir in seasonings. Gradually stir in remaining ingredients until evenly coated.
    2. Bake 1 hour, stirring every 15 minutes. Spread on paper towels to cool, about 15 minutes. Store in airtight container.
    Microwave Directions: In large microwavable bowl, microwave butter uncovered on High about 40 seconds or until melted. Stir in seasonings. Gradually stir in remaining ingredients until evenly coated. Microwave uncovered on High 5 to 6 minutes, thoroughly stirring every 2 minutes. Spread on paper towels to cool. Store in airtight container.

    Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 3:12 PM

  183. And for those of us who have totally lost it

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzHtm1jhL4

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 3:13 PM


  184. NEW THREAD

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 3:15 PM

  185. "Also - Air America fired an announcer for calling Hillary and Geraldine Ferraro F****** W****.*. "

    Whoa! Julie, when did this happen?

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 3:16 PM

  186. Also - Air America fired an announcer for calling Hillary and Geraldine Ferraro F****** W****.*.

    Julie

    Posted by: Julie-Young73 | April 3, 2008 3:10 PM

    GOOD! Horrible....horrible

    Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 3:16 PM

  187. Patsi & Sheila

    Must have just happened today. The lady on Fox was humming & hawing when she was trying to spit it out.
    Must have been more and not good..

    Julie

    PS Geraldine going to be on Hannity/Colmes tonight.
    I know it is Fox, but have gotten really tired of MSNBO
    and CNN is getting tiresome..

    Posted by: Julie-Young73 | April 3, 2008 3:24 PM

  188. I think it is said that because a person supports Hillary Clinton Obama supporters will castigate and try to humiliate you because you do not like or support the messiah Obama.

    Some of us are enlightened and are not brainwashed by the guru maharajah Obama, some of us can see him for what he truly is.

    I do not suffer from the white guilt complex that some do. I also do not feel that by voting for the first African I am somehow absolved from hmmmmm how did the messiah Obama put it...oh the "Original Sin" of slavery.

    I tend to be a little more pragmatical about it if the best man for the presidency is African American thats great I will proudly vote for him, but Obama is not that man, at least by my standards

    Once again the radical extremists in the Democratic Party the vocal minority will once again get their way and their candidate and once again our party will go down in flames and centrist democrats will have to suffer.

    What Obama supporters cannot get through their heads is that A-M-E-R-I-C-A as a whole is Center-Right it not a bastion of liberalism but they cannot ever understand that .

    But no problem, Obama and his megalomania and ego will risk hurting his own party out of ego arrogance and pride.

    I love and respect Mario Cuomo but he had the class, grace, dignity and common sense to realize as a liberal he could not win the presidency and spared his party the turmoil of losing, he unlike the messiah Obama put his ego and pride aside.

    All I can do now sit and watch with an aching heart as you extreme radicals destroy the Democratic Party
    I know I will be hated and despised by the Obama supporters here. I'd rather be honest and stand by my principles and be hated, then be dishonest and be loved
    So be it.

    --Heather

    Posted by: Heather Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 3:25 PM

  189. NEW THREAD

    RELOAD

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 3:26 PM

  190. Craig, thanks for educating Imus this morn about how the SuperD's function; people need to realize "democracy" does not exist where a candidate attempts to corral enough delegates to snag the nomination.
    All the scare tactics about "tearing the party apart in Denver"do not reflect the nature of the nominating process(es).
    Imagine the excitement if nothing is worked out by late August and the delegates converge on Denver with a job, not a coronation, to attend to!
    I am rather shocked more people don't want to see that. I know I do.

    Posted by: Dexter Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 3:26 PM

  191. There's a U-Tube on the Randi Rhodes spiel

    Posted by: Rezdog Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 3:26 PM

  192. HEY!!! NEW THREAD!!!

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | April 3, 2008 3:29 PM

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