Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

There is no sound on MSNBC! Is anyone else having trouble or is it just my cable company? I can't believe it!

so glad you are back on MSNBC..i will be watching...and this is a great idea having all 3 candidates to debate or Clinton and McCain.....what's your take on Preacher Wright speaking out?

if you have no sound..put the caption on your tv

Morning Craig pending! No sound problem here.

I can't find it on my remote! It is still off! I am on the phone with Mediacom. I can't believe this is happening. They say it is a problem with the broadcaster.

Except it's past 6:30 and they're doing Shuster, not Craig... :(

Now they are saying it is maintenance in my area. They are working on the fibers. NO SOUND!

Good.....Craig just keeps on talking when they try to interrupt........lol

now THAT was TV worth seeing........he backed both of those creeps up to somewhere near the truth.......

Has it finally arrived

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/24/media-jump-ship-from-obam_n_98545.html

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I LOVE YOU, CRAIG!

What a fantastic appearance on Morning Joe. Andrea Mitchell
looked like she had eaten a tart apple as you articulated your
reasons as to how and why Clinton can still win.

Wow! You were on your game this morning. You blew
away Joe and Ms. Sour Puss.

if it's on huffington post......it's trash talking clinton one way or the other................

Good Morning Craig-

Loved your conversation with Joe and Andrea this morning even though they kept interrupting. One question--why don't you have your own show?
One more question-how was your dinner with Helen?She's a classic.

One more thing--you looked fabulous, dahling.
Was that a Gucci suit? You are becoming very GQ.

Back to Morning Joe--I was literally in bed and jumped
up to write you to let you know how impressed I
was when you held your ground against know-it-all
Joe and Andrea as they continued blathering on
about how "Hillary Clinton CAN'T win."
I wasn't even aware of the method you explained for
how Senator Clinton can win without Michigan and Florida.
Wow! I'm impressed.

He was GREAT!! Note to ANDREA back off, don't talk over people~~~RUDE.

By the way, your idea to have Senator Clinton and McCain debate
is a great one. It would make Hillary look presidential and Obama
seem like he's not up to the challenge.

Andrea Mitchell wants to challenge Craig's math? I can't believe they gave him such a "hard time" especially in view of the good 'ole boy backslapping they've got going on right now with Barnicle.

This is an example of what I was saying about the difference between Craig's appearances on Imus and anywhere else, especially MSNBC. First, less time. Second, no friendliness. Where do we get to see Craig's unique personality in this type of brass tacks exchange? Thanks goodness he interrupted or he wouldn't have gotten to say anything at all!

Andrea Mitchell wants to challenge Craig's math? I can't believe they gave him such a "hard time" especially in view of the good 'ole boy backslapping they had going on with Barnicle.

This is an example of what I was saying about the difference between Craig's appearances on Imus and anywhere else, especially MSNBC. First, less time. Second, no friendliness. Where do we get to see Craig's unique personality - the "real Craig" - in this type of brass tacks exchange? I wouldn't want to see all banter all the time, but Craig's humorous-and-accurate ability to read the tea leaves is what makes him so interesting. Thank goodness he interrupted or he wouldn't have gotten to say anything at all!

First time this "acting up" has caused me to re-post...sorry.

Dynamite appearance Craig!

Those of you who have watched American Chopper will know what I mean when I say Andrea looked just like Paul Sr with the smoke coming out of his ears.

Krugman's oped in the Times really lays it on the line, too:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/25/opinion/25krugman.html?ref=opinion

CC,

On Morning Joe, when you were asked about your reaction to the NY Times article in which Rep. James E. Clyburn criticizes Bill Clinton, your response was forceful. It was important that someone sane point out that this man has become merely another Obama supporter.

I have two questions for you, Craig.

1. In the article, The Times calls Bill Clinton's campaign behavior "bizarre." But, I cannot remember any of President Clinton's actions as bizarre or racist. To what are they referring?

2. Clyburn states, "black people are incensed (at Bill) over
all this?" Over what?

I don't get it.

Thank you for clarifying.

Ivy, I echo you....What Up with the interaction with Craig..I had to say What Up because if anyone watched when Hillary was on Andrea jump to mention the New York paper slamming her and she (Andrea said What Up with that)lol

Craig,
You are the best! I've emailed both Viewer Services and Morning Joe letting them know how I feel.

During the discussion, that line from "A Few Good Men" kept coming to mind, "You can't handle the truth!"

Keep it up!

hey all, thanks for the comments. ha, guess i'm lucky the Obama folks here get up later than the Clintonites.

Tan,

You are right...the friendly banter was cut off by Joe after the first syllable...what was up with that? Andrea was curt. Craig did a great job holding his own. I think they have axes to grind because Craig always shows them up when his predictions prove out, and theirs turn out to be hype.

Craig,

You know we all support you!!!

I think some media folks are scared you have people that turn to you to get the facts straight and you cut threw the crap storms...THEIR scared YOU will take their Job. This is my thoughts.Most important your character is Real and Honest.

"what's your take on Preacher Wright speaking out? --Posted by: emmy"

-- might help Obama if Wright can come across as more reasonable than those clips

"One question--why don't you have your own show?
One more question-how was your dinner with Helen?She's a classic. -- Posted by: ubns"

-- 1) no one has asked me to, but i'm too lazy for that much work anyway, 2) she's the best, probably my best friend in DC

and to prof marcia, Clyburn was the ring leader for Obama camp in marginalizing BC, something they saw a need to do after losing NH and they did it quite well

Come of as more reasonable? Not from the clips I've seen so far. I hope Rev Wright was asked how he justified taking God's name in vain on the pulpit.
Rev Wright is to Obama as Bill is to Hil'ry. Maybe HRC & BO could agree to send them off on a special mission.

Craig, Glad to see you back on MoJo. I don't think Andrea Mitchell shares my sentiment. She seemed a little miffed by your math. The truth hurts.

McCain's pastor endorser was much more specific......he only said God damned New Orleans......the rest of the gulf coast was just collateral damage, as someone pointed out earlier.......

Ivy,

Your right he shows them up!!!

MORNING CRAIG. Great Job.

Craig

OMGoodness...that was the best interview...good questions....great answers!!!!

Mrs. Greenspan was definitely channeling her "inner snarky Mika"!!

The look on Andrea's face, after you answered her question("...and what is her shot at winning the popular vote, Craig, how does she do it?"), was priceless!! AM is the new "mini Mika"...LMAO!!!!

"Scurrilous” and “disingenuous” were among the words a top Democrat in the U.S. House of Representatives used on Thursday to describe Hillary Clinton’s campaign tactics in her bid to defeat Barack Obama for their party’s presidential nomination.

House Democratic Whip James Clyburn, of South Carolina and the highest ranking black in Congress, also said he has heard speculation that Clinton is staying in the race only to try to derail Obama and pave the way for her to make another White House run in 2012.

“I heard something, the first time yesterday (in South Carolina), and I heard it on the (House) floor today, which is telling me there are African Americans who have reached the decision that the Clintons know that she can’t win this. But they’re hell-bound to make it impossible for Obama to win” in November, Clyburn told Reuters in an interview.

It's hard to describe how damaging it is to the Clintons' long-term reputation to get repudiated like this by someone with Clyburn's stature and civility. The only thing that would hurt more is if John Lewis were to say the same things. And John Lewis has already de-endorsed Clinton and thrown his weight behind Obama.

For Clyburn to openly suggest that Clinton is engaging in a strategy to throw the election to McCain implies that there is now an almost complete lack of good-will between the Clintons and the Congressional Black Caucus. Given the stellar regard with which the CBC held the Clintons prior to the onset of this nominating process, this fall from grace is staggering.

Read the whole article at link below.

http://www.boomantribune.com/

No Democrat can win the White House without the AA community. Looks like not only have the Clinton's lost the AA vote, but the Democratic Party may have also lost it for years to come.

Thank you Hillary for destroying the Democratic Party.

That was equally as bad. These church leaders aren't lifting up their congregations, they are playing on fear and hatred to unify their flock instead of love. Unfortunately, playing on strong emotions works...survival instincts, ya know. However, it has a built-in backlash because it is a inherently flawed way of thinking and being. Like attracts like, hate attracts hate, fear attracts fear. Love would be a better choice.

Craig: I am waiting patiently for your appearance to go up on YouTube. There is no sound on MSNBC in my region of Iowa (perhaps all of Iowa, who knows?) If anyone sees the appearance go online, please let me know! Mediacom sucks!

So lets just give Hillary the nomination even though Obama is winning by all the measures, most votes, most pledged delegates and if this does go to convention and the nomination is given to Hillary no more Democratic Party.

Then when McCain wins in November {That's if there are elections} you can all come back here and bash Obama and whine about how a Black Man kept Hillary from winning because he wouldn't drop out and Hillary had to forced the Super Delegates to take the nomination away from him.

still have'nt seen what bill clinton has done or said that
was racsist '''just a made up narrative by obama
supporters to get 95% of the black vote

anon......the word is "winning" as opposed to "has won"

Hil'ry did not structure the Dem party. I find it interesting that the Obama-ites are now nervous that, if given the nom, he really won't be able to win in November. They are already starting to blame Hil'ry for Obama losing the general. So, let's see...if she is the nom and she loses, she should've gotten out & let BO have the nom & if he gets the nom & loses it's still her fault. Why don't you just own up to the fact that you fell for a pretty package with nothing inside to offer. Really, I think BO only looked good because his speeches made him so competent to W in comparison...when he actually is just another arrogant, hollow version of Bush. This is the main reason he doesn't want to debate Hil'ry, again. He can't think on his feet.

"and to prof marcia, Clyburn was the ring leader for Obama camp in marginalizing BC, something they saw a need to do after losing NH and they did it quite well"

Craig, you better believe it. After the smoke settles, I bet you see a bunch of scholars here in Columbia dissecting how the marginalization of Mr Clinton was orchestrated. I think many of his past supporters will be angered at how crassly they were manipulated.

Rev Wright may be Mr Obama's uncle, but, Rep Clyburn is his stepfather.

for most of the race.......the Hare was "winning".

slow and steady wins the race.

My thoughts, not worth much to anyone but my dog and she just pretends.

I am not a big Obama fan. I don't think I could vote for him at this time. It would be too much of a shot in the dark. I think he needs 4-8 more years so get experience and give us an opportunity to get to know and trust him.

I don't think this interview with Wright will be a bad thing. I don't think Moyers would be involved with anything like that. It will most likely humanize the man and I don't really think he would do anything to hurt Obama. The media will be able to snag bits and pieces to hurt Obama just like they have done to Hillary. Obama is just starting to get what Hillary has been getting for 15 years.

The sound bites I heard from Wright that sounded so radical before had some hints of truth in them. Certainly not what any politician would say unless he/she was suicidal but still somewhat true. We have created much of the mess we are facing.

The problem Wright complains about results from our electing people who we don't know enough about. Yes the white man is more responsible for these problems but then Barack Obama is closer to being a white man than Hillary is and we don't know enough about him.

Just some groggy morning thoughts.

Carol

Craig - the Clinton v. McCain debate is a brilliant idea!!!

You were great on MoJo today - you are always the only one that makes sense when the MSM spins things in Obama's direction, you basically smash your foot down on the top - you shut Andrea Mitchell down and but good today.

Kerry Kennedy was also great this morning as she was able to talk about Hillary's history of fighting for women's rights as human rights.

Sending MoJo an e-mail this morning giving him a pat on the back for having fair and balanced coverage this morning.

Funny thing is that I woke up to Craig's voice on MSNBC but before I woke up, I was dreaming that Craig was on a panel for some news show analysing the race with a bunch of Obama celebrity supporters - probably some MSM supporters too. All I can remember about it is that Craig was making his usual sense and the celebrities didn't like it because it didn't follow the "we love Barack Obama" they are used to and started to get up and walking off the set. At least 2 or 3 got up and walked out before I woke up - unfortunately, the only one I can vividly remember walking out on you, Craig, is Jane Fonda. Anyway, I realize now, I had this dream because you were indeed talking in the background on the TV...fortunately nobody walked out on you in real life. LOL...unfortunately, it's clear I've been following the campaign coverage too closely.

Craig, your an impressive chap

On MOJO this morning Craig your substantive comments regarding Jim Clyburn and the MSM was a profile in courage, My high estimation of you is well placed as is the diminution of the Obama shill Andrea Mitchell.

toast

ms mitchell should be pregnant with toothpicks

The critics sleep late , Craig. LOL! I've been messing with my blog this morning. I added a music player this morning. Just a selection of various songs I like.

Wow Craig , sorry I missed you on this morning's Mojo. Sounds like you were way on top of your game. Hope to see it either on you-tube or posted here over the weekend.

Happy Friday everyone !

Wendy......seek help

: )

j/k

Nah, we're here. We just like to let the brown nosers get in all of their accolades first before we start with the rational comments.

Wow Craig...dinner with Ms. Thomas last night and several appearances on MSNBC today!!

Who has more fun than you???

Today, MSNBC is "Must See Nothing But Craig"!!

Okay MSNBC is doing something right. They are at least bringing in John Riddley to try to explain the "Liberation Theology" of Rev. Wright in a positive light to counteract the usual brain dead "we don't know what we are talking about so we will just yammer" coverage of the PBS interview clips.

You may not agree with a great deal that he says, but the idea of individual action and self reliance in a world and country that has often abused the weakest among us is worth hearing and trying to understand.

If you missed the interview Riddley will have an editorial up on Huffington Post later today.

Of course having said that, I do have a vision of Sen. Obama in the middle of the road looking up and saying, "So this is what the bottom of the bus looks like."

"On Morning Joe, when you were asked about your reaction to the NY Times article in which Rep. James E. Clyburn criticizes Bill Clinton, your response was forceful."

Yes...I thought this was awesome. Getting them to agree that clearly Clyburn was an Obama supporter and not objective at all and then laying out the complete character assassination the Obama camp has done on Bill Clinton (noting that it was effective in South Carolina so of course they would revisit it in North Carolina). Love how you focused the "negative" campaigning on Obama where the rest of the MSM blame Hillary. It was quite objective, nicely done, and very true.

Nah, we're here. We just like to let the brown nosers get in all of their accolades first before we start with the rational comments.

Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 25, 2008 8:16 AM

bye bye's idea of a rational comment.......LOL

I bet Mrs Obama is flat in Axlerod's face right about now.

Ohhhhh...John Ridley was on?? I am glad I decided to record Scarborough today!!

A McCain/Clinton debate is most definitely what is needed now. Two grownups, how refreshing that would be. Clinton would take the day of course but at least McCain would get points by showing up.
One thing certain about McCain, HE isn't a coward.

Thanks!

"hey all, thanks for the comments. ha, guess i'm lucky the Obama folks here get up later than the Clintonites."

I don't know why because your analysis is fair based on the facts in front of you - why would Obama folks be upset with you?

[shrugs]

"So this is what the bottom of the bus looks like."
--Jamie

OMG...LMAO...you are hilarious!!!

Hillary debates McCain? Um...she isn't the nominee yet. In fact, she's in second place with NO HOPE of winning.

Hillary needs to get 67% of the pledge delegates from the remaining states. Even her best spinners admit that she can do that. Thus, the focus on stealing the nomination by conning the super-delegates.

The entire crew of MoJo, Craig included, were pushing the "a black man can't win" theme. Listening to Mojo this AM is sounded like the whole show was scripted by the Clinton campaign.

Race, race, race. Just keep talking about race 24/7.

Burrito...I know huh...

We usually start talking about race when you show up here each morning , Nash.

"Even her best spinners admit that she can do that."
--nash

and her best spinners are right!!

Race, race, race. Just keep talking about race 24/7.
Posted by: nash | April 25, 2008 8:30 AM

Hmmm, other than your own post above I haven't seen anyone else mention race here... Oh wait, I get it now!
If you aren't for Obama you're a racist. That insulting the voters strategy really worked well for your candidate in PA; I am sure it will be just as successful for him going forward.

The Clinton campaign themes:

"A white woman is better than a black man."

"Primaries don't matter. Voters don't matter. Let politicians choose the nominee."

"Anyone in the MSM who doesn't just repeat our talking points, and tries to think, is our enemy."

Everyone on Mojo was talking about race.

Some music for right now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr7USTe0EmQ

"Anyone in the MSM who doesn't just repeat our talking points, and tries to think, is our enemy."

Posted by: nash | April 25, 2008 8:39 AM

Don't you have a school bus to catch?

What are the Obama campaign themes?

Latest polls have Obama winning Indiana by a little, SC by a lot.

Spin that, Hillary people.

I enjoyed your comments on Morning Joe. I don't understand why Andrea gets so angry when people are for Hillary. She tried to get in your face a few times, but Joe helped run interference. Apparently you can't be neuteral in this world anymore.

comparison...when he actually is just another arrogant, hollow version of Bush. This is the main reason he doesn't want to debate Hil'ry, again. He can't think on his feet.

Posted by: blueINdallas

Obama can stammer with eloquence though...

Rev Wright may be Mr Obama's uncle, but, Rep Clyburn is his stepfather.

Posted by: Flatus

very perceptive

toast

Clyburn has obviously become a total partisan for the Obama team instead of being fair.

For the PA primary every political analyst on the air both before and after was discussing the areas around Philadelphia and everything hinging on the AA turnout. Just as women support Sen. Clinton to a greater degree, black people are proud of and support Sen. Obama. Why is it racist to say so?

Yes the Obama campaign painted the Clintons in that light following SC and the media swallowed their version of the story whole and should be ashamed of themselves, particularly in light of their doing exactly the same thing as Pres. Clinton.

If you're losing on substantive issues, how to use race to try to turn things around.
(1) Have surrogates make racist comments.
(2) When uproar develops, have them deny that their statements were racist.
(3) Accuse the other side of "playing the race card."
(4) Argue that, given the furor, "race is an issue that needs to be addressed."
(5) If MSM starts to talk about substantive issues again, repeat the cycle.

There you go again Nash - blaming Obomie's inability to connect with voters (no matter how you slice it more HAVE voted for her than HAVE voted for him...whether the Democratic Party chooses to count them or not) and answer reasonable policy questions w/o stuttering and stammering through his answers on Hillary.

Poor wittle Obomie doesn't know the answers so everyone is being mean.

The facts are the facts - as Craig laid them out on MoJo this morning to Andrea Mitchell...He doesn't have 2025 delegates and she doesn't have 2025 delegates. Neither will be able to get to 2025 delegates through the so called "pledged" delegate process. They will need the remaining delegates (super delegates) to get to the magic number. The superdelegates like the other delegates can vote however they darn well please - as Craig pointed out - thems the rules. You Obamaniacs are all about the rules unless they don't benefit you. Hey I think choosing delegates through caucus' is as undemocratic and unfair as letting superdelegates vote however they want...can we throw those out too?

[yawns]

Typical Whiny Obomie supporter to go right along with typical whiny Obomie.

Hey Nash, it is the white man half of Obama I don't like. It is too bad that Barbara Jordon is no longer with us. She was black and a woman and I would vote for her in a minute.

Ya know

Nash is starting to remind me of Max,

One point over and over and over.

Jack

"Primaries don't matter. Voters don't matter."

Ahhhh....but they do...Hillary's won more of both

;-)

NYT: Highest ranking black Democrat accuses Clintons of racism.

The third-ranking Democrat in the House of Representatives and one of the country’s most influential African-American leaders sharply criticized former President Bill Clinton this afternoon for what he called Mr. Clinton’s “bizarre” conduct during the Democratic primary campaign.

Representative James E. Clyburn, an undeclared superdelegate from South Carolina who is the Democratic whip in the House, said that “black people are incensed over all of this,” referring to statements that Mr. Clinton had made in the course of the heated race between his wife, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, and Senator Barack Obama.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/24/black-congressman-denounces-b-clintons-remarks/

"I don't understand why Andrea gets so angry when people are for Hillary."

That's interesting because I never get the impression that Craig is "for Hillary" - I believe he just analysis the facts as they sit in front of him in a logical and rational way w/o relying on the MSMs narrative of the day and w/o the typical spin. Of course, that would come out appearing to be "for" Clinton because facts and logic are on her side...LOL

;-)

Craig: Great listening to you on MSNBC today. The idea of Clinton challenging McCain to a debate is AWESOME. Thanks, once again, for thinking outside the talking heads box.

Would love to hear your thoughts on this article. Think everyone who cares about keeping McCain out of the White House should read this:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/anatole_kaletsky/article3803520.ece

Indiana, Obama drops from 5% to 1% ahead

North Carolina drops from 15% to 9% ahead
(I eliminated the 25% outlier)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/

Gallup Daily national narrows to 5%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/106801/Gallup-Daily-Democratic-Gap-Narrows-Obama-Keeps-Advantage.aspx

mornin' all.

Bye, bye, you ran across a rational thought to put in a comment? Be interesting to see that.

nash, I watched it and did not see anyone pushing "a black man can't win." If anything, the message is "this black man can't win." Apparently, his accolytes are beginning to believe that, and of course are blaming Bill and Hillary - so what else is new? They are now getting on the RWNM bandwagon. Well, I think he can win, and if he's the nominee, I think he will. At least we know what his followers will blame his loss on if it happens - racism and the Clintons.

Oh, here's a thought - maybe we could talk about something else. Anyone see the Dem commercial about McCain's delusional thinking? I thought it was excellent.

North Carolina drops from 15% to 9% ahead
(I eliminated the 25% outlier)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/

Posted by: Jamie | April 25, 2008 8:56 AM

Yup, that outlier being ppp, the only "poll" constantly showing Obama ahead by 3 in PA. Those guys are always right on the money. :)

Another trick from the Rove playbook.
Clinton uses negative push polling in SC.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-loeb/is-hillary-clinton-push-p_b_98446.html

Craig, you are so right! I think BOTH candidates should ignore each other and do the Rovian thing - act AS IF they have the nomination ala Dubbya picking and leaking his cabinet to the press before the Florida chad recount was over. Fait accompli! It's good to see you more on tv. I've been surfing the big 3 cable news shows looking for you forever. You're the best because you bring NEW info to the table every time instead of plagiarizing the pundits as they all do with each other. Snore.

Please address another issue. I think Reid and Pelosi want Hillary out because they're ticked that the donors to each campaign are keeping the campaigns alive instead of giving money to the massively ineffectual Howard Dean for the local contests. Not exactly Democratic, Nancy and Harry. I'm sick of the whining that the Dem Party is so weak and vulnerable. Their attitude not only spread that perception, it may cause it to come true. They need to support the process.
Thanks! Keep up the good work!
Margaret

Barack still takes in oil money:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-money24apr24,1,2328541.story?track=rss

Steve...

Keep defending Joe S. The same Joe S that said to Mica one day "don't make me give you the back of my hand". Yes Joe S. the sexist.

Has everyone noticed that Nash seldom reads others. He just rages and repeats his meme of the moment?

Nash, re Clyburn. See above your entry

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/04/hey-sen-clinton-ask-mccain-to.html#comment-72590

nash, kinda what jamie said - latest polls have Indiana within the MOE, SC was contested in Feb. - Obama's lead in NC has been cut in half in the past week, according to the polls. I'd say your comment reflects spin.

From HuffPo: MSM now backs Clinton.

In a blink of an eye, the media has jumped ship from the Obama campaign and become a crucial Clinton ally, pressing just the message -- that Obama is a likely loser in the general election -- that Hillary and her allies have been promoting for the past six weeks.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/24/media-jump-ship-from-obam_n_98545.html

Not only can't the Democrats win without the AA vote they also need the Independent Vote as well.

I want to see how all the Hillary supporters spin this when she loses the general to McCain if she drags this to the convention.

And if she damages Obama enough thinking she'll run to 2012 {That's still if we even have any more elections} she will not get the AA vote than either.

The Democratic Party will be no more.

Thanks Hillary for destroying the Democratic Party.

Better Debate:

Craig's suggested debate is interesting, but not likely to happen, so here's my suggestion. Craig debates Andrea Mitchell on the various likely outcomes of the Democrats nominating process and the quality of the media's election coverage so far, AND Hillary is the moderator.

If Andrea doesn't want to show up, Craig and Hillary can talk to her empty chair.

Nash,

This one I'll give you. I HATE push polls. If someone wants to call and tell me wonderful things about their candidate, that's fine, but to use the polling format is disgusting.

Next question, is the Obama team doing anything similar?

How about a cardboard stand-up of Andrea?

Clinton has the MSM and the GOP on her side.

Obama has the democratic primary voters.

We'll see who will prevail.

It' s just one of the those fascist propaganda vs democracy things.

Jamie what did you mean by "I eliminated the 25% outlier?"

Tom Cruise returning to Oprah!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080425/ap_en_mo/people_cruise_winfrey;_ylt=AkBMHNvmrjhDMjpLlQCvzI1xFb8C

Craig's appearance on MOJO is up on YouTube! Wahoo!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU0ElfBlGy8

Now really, assuming Clyburn is speaking for black folks - rather than just for himself - with Obama getting >90% of the black vote, how much can the black folks being incensed over what Bill said hurt Hillary?

And Steve, feel free to ignore ap - since you didn't mention Joe S, I really can't see how you could be accused of defending him.

anon-paranoid---------------------------------

"No Democrat can win the White House without the AA community. Looks like not only have the Clinton's lost the AA vote, but the Democratic Party may have also lost it for years to come.

Thank you Hillary for destroying the Democratic Party."

Superdelegates shouldn’t ignore the odds

"Which brings us to the forbidden issue of electability. Is it realistic to think that a gifted novice like Obama can win enough states to prevail in the Electoral College ? Among Democrats, it’s possible to avoid the question by crying racism, as Obama supporters did early and often.

Let’s talk demographics. Making himself the black candidate has definitely worked for Obama in the primaries. But the unfortunate fact is that most African American voters reside in states that Democrats either can’t win (the Deep South ) or almost can’t lose (New York, Illinois, California )."

http://www.nwanews.com/story.php?paper=adg§ion=Editorial&storyid=223629

Any news from Edwards if he is going to endorse anybody? If he waits to long it may not mean a thing. This weekend would be the best time for him to do so. If he does not endorse anybody, that shows me he's like the rest of the voters and is not sure which one is the best to beat McCain.

VAdaryl

Whenever you have a group of polls by a variety of pollsters, most of them cluster in the "reasonable" range. Every once in a while you will get one that because of methodology will come up with a number wildly different from the others.

You then have to decide if that pollster has a good previous track record and you should keep your eye on it in case they are on to something, or discount it because you don't trust the poll itself.

The "Outlier" in this case was 25% ahead was produced by PPP which has consistently been favorable and wrong towards Obama by 5 to 10 points so I discounted it, and just quoted the clustered polls.

Latest polls have Obama winning Indiana by a little, SC by a lot.

Spin that, Hillary people.

Posted by: nash | April 25, 2008 8:43 AM

Um, rip van winkle, either your webpage or your brain (or perhaps both) needs a bit of refreshing.

Although a revote in SC might be a grand idea!

PPP has been out to lunch in all their polls

Craig

No doubt that whenever you are added to the msnbc mix, you provide the most honest opinions, which as Ms. Mitchell's efforts by interrupting you illustrated, is not the game plan (particularly on msnbc). Later in the show, Mort Zuckerman was saying similar comments as you had & she did not interrupt him once!

Anyway, you are the best--all of us here know that & hope that at some point you will be recognized & rewarded with more time.

I'd like to point out a line that keeps cropping up--if the sd's were to deny a black man the nomination--it would "make Chicago 68 look like a walk in the park" said by Joe today, other versions of it have been stated by pundits as well--to me this implies a less than charitable opinion of obama supporters & a not so subtle attempt to intimidate the sd's in the event they are considering not voting for obama.

Craig did well this morning, just watched it

Jamie: I don't respond to schoolyard taunts. That is what I get from most of the Hillary people here.

When I make a critical comment about the Clintons I usually get something like, "Don't you have a school bus to catch?" (That was from ainnj, this AM)

How would you respond to that, Jamie? What would you say? I just ignore it.

I found surveyUSA poll numbers to be pretty close.

I loved how Andrea said under her breath, "Not my math" or "Not any math that I have done" to completely undermine Craig's point. The only math she has seen has been in the press releases from the Obama campaign, trust me.

When I make a critical comment about the Clintons I usually get something like, "Don't you have a school bus to catch?" (That was from ainnj, this AM)

How would you respond to that, Jamie? What would you say? I just ignore it.

Posted by: nash | April 25, 2008 9:37 AM

Perhaps if you posted something even close to resembling a mature rational argument for your candidate instead of claiming this is all about race you would be treated like a grownup.

Coreen

"if the sd's were to deny a black man the nomination--it would "make Chicago 68 look like a walk in the park""

I'm with you. Here they are supporting the first AA candidate with a real shot at the Presidency and what is the comment about if he doesn't get the nomination: "Those white kids and black folk will be rioting in the streets, throwing rocks, and shooting guns."

People saying such things might want to rethink how this reflects on the candidate.

Craig, like most of the MSM pundits, is now an overt Hillary supporter. (So much for objective journalism.)

But he's just waiting for the general election campaign so he can tilt towards McCain, who is the real media favorite.

Will you Hillary people follow along with him when he makes that transition?

"Not only can't the Democrats win without the AA vote they also need the Independent Vote as well."

AP, this is utter bullshit. You, or at least the Obama supporters here, have argued on one hand that NY and CA, along with the other big dem states that Hillary has won, will vote for whoever the dem nominee is - and rightly so I reckon, because NY, and CA to a lesser extent, and the other big dem states that Obama could not win are dem states. The swing states, your own state included, which is where the independent vote that is needed for a victory actually matters, were also won by Hillary - and Obama got 90+% of the black vote in them. Not to be considered taking the black vote for granted, but do you think the black vote is going to turn to the Republican party? Give em a frickin' break.

This is not the first time that the inference has been made regarding rioting in the streets if Obama doesn't get the nomination. I brought this up several weeks ago. I find those types of remarks racist and, quite frankly, a scare tactic all its own.

This user has many videos posted from MOJO this morning including the Barnicle interview and the Kerry Kennedy interview:

http://www.youtube.com/user/cancelledbysbc

Another Ms. Mitchell comment that not only suggested her bias "the sd's are there to ratify the will of the party", but illustrated her utter lack of knowledge of what she talks about. Craig's correcting of her left her as was said above as if she was sucking on a lemon.

Ally.... thanks for linking the utube of Craig's appearance this morning.....

I've been reading the comments and saying to myself... "rats!... of all mornings to sleep later than usual".....

now that I've seen it..... Craig.... you were spectacular!

and someone asked last night about what Lou Dobbs said..... I haven't watched cable news for months...... there was no ball game last night, so I watched CNN and caught the last half hour of Dobbs..... basically he was saying that the Democratic race was so close it was a virtual tie..... then he gave the NYTimes hell for trashing Clinton the day after her big win in PA even though the paper had endorsed her.....

he was pissed at what he saw as unfair coverage of Clinton by the media...
said he wanted the media to cover the race fairly..... his panel agreed that it looks like the media's "love fest" with Obama may be over.....

MSNBC has been in Obama's camp all along but I was shocked when Chris M said some nice things about Hillary.

Many states already appear to be in recession

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/STATE_FINANCES?SITE=WIFON&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Nash

I wouldn't lump people together. My comment was about the same issue that you mentioned quite a few posts below it. Instead of commenting or disputing you posted as if no one had noted it before. It was reflective of the fact that you don't seem to read others or carry on conversations, just plop in you opinion as if it were incontravertible fact and then depart until the next plop.

Bad Idea....Just because this campaign is bazaar doesn't mean it should become even more of a media circus. You talking heads are getting annoying. I even take Chris Mathews off now and as a political junkie that's a big deal!!!!!

Mr Crawford-
Your absence on Hardball is noticeable. I could tell you were not going to get too many invitations back after you started talking objectively about the Sen. Clinton. The Oboma campaign have outsourced their negative campaigning to MSNBC, namely Hardball & Countdown. Both shows I Tivoed but not anymore. It is ironic that they have become the very caricature of Fox that they loath…

I saw you on Morning Joe this morning and wanted to send this long over due email so bare with me.

I'm a 35 year old African American living in San Francisco. I don't associate myself with political parties because of their simplicity. But I like Ms Clinton and Obama. And Sen. McCain for that matter. I think Oboma holds promise as a great future leader of these United States. That said I think him having not been around on the national scene for very long makes him a risky candidate to top the ticket this time around. There are people in the middle of the country like those in PA who don't take too easily to strangers. They live close to the place they were born, love their god and their country with a passion. You have to be around for a while in the national scene before they worm up to you. I think with time Mr. Oboma's promise will be evident to this sector of the electorate. As a point in fact; this is the only argument needed by the Super delegates to vote for Ms Clinton. Not popular votes, not delegates counts, not states won. Just simply that with Hilary on top of the ticket and Oboma as VP we will win states like PA and OH going away. With Oboma on top of the ticket there is a serious chance that the Dems will loose to McCain.

The national Media acting as the Super of Super delegates think they can will Sen. Oboma into the white house. This is the folly of the people on the coasts like miself who went away to college and relish the avantgarde. We easily worm up strangers and think everyone should think and act like we do. Despite their best efforts Jackson Hole will never be Manhattan, and thank god for that. The Democratic Party will be ill served by their byass. With Senators Clinton and Oboma they have a chance to run the country for the next 16 years if they just don't bend to the Clinton haters in the MEDIA and blow it.

Finally on the issue of race; The 1st person to bring up race in this election cycle was Jessie Jackson Jr on MSNBC who subtly feed it to a brewing Chris Mathews, reeling after a disappointing Clinton victory in New Hampshire. The Oboma campaign has strategically injected race into the news cycle anytime there is a primary in the south. Is it a coincidence the Congressman clyborn is talking about race again now that the NC primary is afoot.

Ta for your time

There was some comments above about the Rev. Wright's soon to be seen moyers interview and the snippets played so far.

Craig commented that it "might help Obama if Wright can come across as more reasonable than those clips"

Cynic that I am, it would seem that the release of those snippets was intended to do just that---defuse any lasting wright effect against obama.

Coreen: Agreed on Andrea's SD comment. Craig definitely gave her the, "Are you crazy?" look.

No pogo...

They will either sit out or vote third party, maybe nader.

Top the morning

Craig,
Went flower shopping yesterday and by accident saw a plumbago - thought of you. So I purchased it. What beautiful blue flowers. Hope it works for me as the only place I have is a trellis/fence where it might not get enough sun. Old old trees in this neighborhood,a lot of shade.

ALso, I saw on politico a notation that Helen Thomas is receiving a shower of flowers, due to her questioning of Dana Perino ( Bush press secretary). Yes Helen is one of the best reporters around. She lets them have it full force.

Great idea of Hillary/McCain debate. I wish they would really approach it..

Julie

Thanks for your comments Mike!

Sigh. Nine more contests and then this whole Billary charade is over. No more lying. No more pantsuits. No more weird calculations. No more screechy speeches. In June, Barack will have all of the right metrics and Clinton will be trying to count votes from her NY Senate race. Billary will slink on back to the whole they crawled out of, bitter that the Democratic Party rejected a candidate that not only makes Republican skin crawl, but their own party members skin.

Oh, where did it all go wrong? Mark Penn? Mismanagement of campaign funds? Thinking that the race would be over in February? Bosniagate? Chronic liagra disease? Come on, you've got to think that Bill has been going to these small towns and getting numbers from the local townies. He's got to be anxious for Hillary to stop being high profile so he can make a "return visit", if you know what I mean.

Don't be sad Clintonites. I'm sure Billary will figure out a place to use all of that "35 years of experience". LOL

NEW DREAM TICKET

Hillary Clinton & Harold Ford Jr.

I think someone here mentioned that before-it's a win/win

nash, Thomas Edsall is a victim of selective reading. While there has been a shift from all positive coverage for Obama all the time in the msm, and (finally) questions being asked about his inevitability, even the Times continued trashing Hillary following PA, although apparently some of its writers have gotten off the Obama bandwagon. If anything, coverage is pretty evenhanded now - with Hillary 's chances to overcome Obama's pledged delegate advantage being questioned in all quarters, along with Obama's dimming gloss.

I love how you Clintonites take a liking to Harold Ford, Jr. It's the liberal version of "why can't all blacks be like him" that the conservatives use with Condi and Clarence. He doesn't threaten you. He doesn't have the "arrogance" that Obama has. I mean, the nerve of that black man challenging our white woman. What in the name of Geraldine Ferraro is happening? But Harold, he's so nice. Never seems to have any ambition. He's a nicer version of Obama. Not a meanie. Oh, I get the added bonus of being able to claim that I'm not a racist because I CAN find a black man I like.

AP

Nader has NEVER draw any AA vote percentage. They would vote Republican first.

Ah Pogo,

But the whole delegate game is over. As Rachel Madow continues to beat into the heads of her fellow commentators, these remaining primaries are a charade.

What's driving this is the media's desire to have more advertising money spent by the campaigns. Think Indiana and North Carolina media is happy about this charade? Millions in their pockets. So what the incentive to say that Hillary can't win? Not a damn thing. So for Obama supporters, we have to simply understand that while Billary are annoying, conniving and destructive, ultimately they're harmless. No one remembers the McCain v. Romney debates and by the convention, Billary will be as relevant as Gravel. And it will amaze people that they even were concerned about it.

Andrea Mitchell is living proof that botox indeed seeps into the brain.

AP, I can't see much of anyone - particularly blacks, to whom he doesn't pretend to appeal - voting for Nader. You could be right about them not going to the polls in the droves they might if Obama is the nominee, but there are larger blocs of voters that Obama has not attempted to appeal to who may do the same if Obama wins the nomination - old folks, women and the white working class, and to a lesser extent, Hispanics, just for example, and many of them just might vote reublican - they have done so before. So don't try and use that "can't win without the black vote" saw as if it's the only vote that wins elections for dems.

African Americans will sit out aggressively. See how Clinton wins Pennsylvania without black votes. It'll be the greatest magic trick ever.

And looking at history, I would think that you just might see African Americans in future elections splitting 60-40 toward the Dem, which is where they were during the Kennedy/Nixon election. This is one election where the line in the sand has been drawn. Take blacks for granted this election and steal the nomination from a black man, get ready for Pres. McCain.

Your comments were the most astute I have heard and read. Keep up the good work. Too bad that Keith Olbermann doesn't recognize your brilliance as a pundit. He has lost his credibility.

I used to believe Andrea Mitchell was an incredibly bright woman, but that view has changed greatly this poitical season. I have referenced this remark before, but the link was not available in March.

http://www.nmmagazine.com/50missing.php

Many defended Andrea's geographic compass, but c'mon folks, she is political expert and stares at a map of the US everyday. When you are in political theater, you need to know the stage.

Craig, I thought your suggestion that Hillary debate McCain was fantastic! As a matter of fact, when I read it, I literally got goosebumps on my arms—as opposed to a thrill up my leg. I hope the Clinton camp heeds your idea and makes the challenge. What a brilliant idea and a great post! Thank you!

Byebye, can someone be simultaneously destructive and harmless? You are apparently the lone Obama supporter who does not believe that Hillary is destroying Obama's ability to beat McCain. I will save this sentiment of yours to bring out in November if you change your tune an dblame Hillary if Obama loses in the general.

And did I argue delegates? If I said anything about them it was in passing. That's Obama argument. But since Rachel says it's over, it must be so. She's that one voice of truth - since she's echoing Axelrod.

re: Clinton debates McCain?

They'd probably spend 2/3 of the time trashing Obama, then they'd agree with each other on everything else.

Clinton, Channeling Rocky, Just Won't Quit: Margaret Carlson

"Clinton won by making herself the message: She will never stop fighting for you because look how she'll never stop fighting for herself. Talk to anyone who's run for office. It's almost impossible to get up day after day to face another 16 hours of backslapping supporters, mouthing inanities, finger pointing at some imaginary long-lost friend from childhood spotted in the crowd, embracing long-held beliefs (Nafta) or rejecting them (Nafta). And that's if you're winning. Try it when you're not.

Fighting is an especially potent message in Pennsylvania, with its towns of heartbreaking unemployment that Starbucks forgot because coffee is a luxury. In Scranton, Clinton won almost 80 percent of the vote. She won among weekly churchgoers (and temple-goers), white men, blue-collar workers, oldsters, Hispanics, everyone but the very young, the very educated and blacks. "

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_carlson&sid=aFNkgEkdK1Tw

And why not have Obama debate Huckabee?

This makes just as much sense as Clinton vs McCain.

Pogo

And as pointed out by Craig this morning. Sen. Obama does not have enough delegates to get the nomination. Neither candidate does. Once all the contests are over, each will have to make their case to the remaining Super Delegates as to who most reflects the will of the voting public. That means resolving Michigan and Florida, popular vote count, weight to be given to caucus vote counts, momentum ... all sorts of considerations.

Actually Nash, it should be Huckabee/Wright.

By the way, just sent an email to "Ask Andrea" wanting to know "why" Craig Crawford doesn't have his own show on her network.

"African Americans will sit out aggressively. See how Clinton wins Pennsylvania without black votes. It'll be the greatest magic trick ever. "

Posted by ByeByeBillary

You give African Americans much less credit than I do. Given the choice between voting for the nominee of the party that has and will pursue policy that benefits the lowest economic rung of the American economic ladder, where blacks are found disproportionately, or staying home and watching the party who has pursued policy that benefits the top rung of the American economic ladder, where blacks are disproportionately absent, be elected to continue to promote the policies that have to a great extent created that division, I'm betting that African Americans will vote their own interests. I am astounded at how little faith you have in black americans to put aside presumed personal affronts to Obama and vote in their own interests should Hillary pull off a miracle and win the nomination.

Julie and Amy are back on the Inevitable Obama bus. I swear MSNBC only brings on Craig for 15 minutes a week so they can say, "see we were balanced ... we gave her 15 minutes out of 7140

Other debates I'd like to see...
* Edwards vs Giuliani
* Bloomberg vs Thompson
* Nader vs Buchanan
* Ann Coulter vs the Pope
* Spiderman vs Dr. Octopus
* Entropy vs the Weak Nuclear Force

There is a very good reason I think the pundits who predict the Dems will lose in Nov. are wrong - and it is what we heard in '92 - it's the economy, stupid.

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/business/business-usa-economy-sentiment.html?hp

jamie - you're preaching to the choir - but you knew that.

Nash...you sound bitter. If your guy is winning and so well loved by everyone, you should be in a better mood.

The Weak Nuclear Force just played the race card.

Someone earlier said that they hoped for an Edwards endorsement before the week's out in order to influence Tuesday's primary in NC. I'm hoping he doesn't endorse anyone and holds onto his 23 or 26 delegates and uses them in Denver for the only endorsement that will count by then: naming the Democratic nominee. As Craig and others have correctly pointed out, neither candidate has a lock on the nomination and will not have it before Denver. So folks can use their statistics and data all they want right now but none of it really counts as the two wannabies will be virtually tied before Denver. It's been a long time since a brokered convention. The perfect storm for making it one is right now.

Pogo...I agree with you and even with people sitting home or revenge voting, the dems will prevail. HRC said it best to the audience in the LA debate -- on stage tonight is the next President of the United States. I remember that gave me more than a warm feeling down my leg.

Jamie------------------------------

The " LBs " control what we see and hear!

I'm not bitter. I'm rational.
Have some more Klinton Koolaid. (It's sweet.)

Jamie

Girl you misread the name. I am not an Obama fan.
I am a Clinton died in the wool yellow dog democrat.

Julie

Nah Pogo,

You're falling for the same "blacks will vote for us because they have nowhere else to go" type of thinking. Sorry, it ain't happening this year. Notice how all of the black Clinton surrogates have been the least effective surrogates in history? If she doesn't lose the black vote by 90 percent, she loses it by 95 percent. Well, they'll have absolutely no sway in turning out the black vote during a GE if Obama's not the candidate. Think I'm wrong. Go search YouTube and check out Sheila Jackson Lee's reception in her own district.

Nash..Go to time-out..

BBB

Turnout for the dem primaries has been so great, there really isn't any way the repugs can prevail in November. Oh yeah, I forgot you are a student of 'Obamath.' He does not have enough delegates to win the nomination. And ignoring the Michigan and Florida numbers isn't a way to win.

Vadaryl said of John Edwards,

"If he does not endorse anybody, that shows me he's like the rest of the voters and is not sure which one is the best to beat McCain."

Another factor that Vadaryl left out is that Senator Edwards looks in the mirror every morning and sees the one Democrat that he knows would beat Senator McCain.

ByeBye, I'll take my chances. The black folks I know aren't as petty or stupid as racist whites assume - and they don't see themselves as part of a voting bloc. I am stating what I think will happen in November based upon what has happened in the past, you are stating what will happen based upon conjecture only - I've found that predicting the future as if it has already happened is dangerous.

Hey Blonde Who,

Ever hear Billary on NPR talk about the value of the Michigan primary? Oops, forgot her words mean nothing.

eprof2: Virtual tie?

BO HC
Pledge Ds 1490 1334
Super-Ds 238 262
Total 1728 1596

That's Obama ahead by 8.3% if you count the super-Ds.
If you just count the pledge delegates, his lead is 11.7%

This is NOT a "virtual tie," except in the Alice-in-Wonderland delusional world that the Clinton supporters seem to inhabit these days.

By the same logic you might say that Gore & Bush had a "virtual tie" in 2000 and it was OK for the Supreme Court to stop the recount in Florida and select Bush as the winner.

Either votes count, or they don't. And if they don't, democracy is dead.

Then, and Now

(the marginalization (me learn new word too) of Bill Clinton, formerly referred to in many circles as "Big Dog" for his steadfast and un-yeilding refusal to bow down before the GOP's meat grinder version of politics as did both messers Gore and Kerry in the wake of their respective losses at a time when it mattered most to our country......ie......Now, and then.)

I'd like to see a purely political editorial on race as it applies to Bill Clinton's comment after the SC dem primary that Jessie Jackson also won. Jessie did win, didnt he?
Racist? It was a purely political observation from this man who is generally acknowleged to be a "political animal" about the over all relevance of the SC democratic primary......ie......ZIP. SC may well be a make-or-break state for the GOP nominee but it's merely lipstick on a pig for whatever democrat happens to win the SC democratic primary. Jessie was the starkest example of how little it matters who wins demo in SC.....the state goes red.

Obama fell far short of a hill of beans with his win in SC except for successfully playing the race card against BIll Clinton.

or something like that.

Craig....how does it "work" this afternoon when you are on 'varous times' on Decision '08? Are you on call and sitting and waiting in a studio? Do you have an idea of the appearance times and if they can squeeze you in, you are on?

I am ignorant of how this works.

except Mr Gore stopped bowing and came back.

and Mr Gore, who stopped bowing and came back has yet to endorse.

"And why not have Obama debate Huckabee?"

Why not except for the fact that he's too big a chicken to debate anyone - and frankly - since he stutters and stammers through all of the policy questions and looks like a complete amateur - and would probably make ole Huck look like a policy wonk - I can't say I blame him.

Well, that "table" of numbers didn't come out right.
Let's try it this way...

Obama. Pledge: 1490 Super-Ds: 238 = 1728

Clinton. Pledge: 1334 Super Ds: 262 = 1596

Obama's Lead = 8.3% (with super-Ds)
Obama's lead = 11.7% (pledge Ds only)

OK, Nash, I stand corrected: tied for second as neither candidate has the nomination locked up yet -- and probably won't prior to Denver.

Nash, you, too are a student of 'Obamath.' You left out Michigan and Florida.

BBB...BHO did not have his name on the ballot in Michigan for political pandering to Iowa and NH. If he was so rule oriented, then 'why' was his name on the Florida ballot and he did an ad buy in the state?

MSNBC has been in Obama's camp all along but I was shocked when Chris M said some nice things about Hillary.

Posted by: vadary

Last week in a response to warren I mentioned a dramatic tone shift on MSNBC after the dismal debate performance by BO especially Mattews and Russert. I said that the exit poll data from PA would determine if the MSM bias for BO would hold firm. Matthews was confronted by the very blue collar democrats in PA that Obama was courting, and time and again the questions they were most concerned about were the "bitter" remarks and Wright. Mike Barnacle a pernicious Clinton hater said yesterday on MOJO the questions most asked by the Reagan democrats he shared a beer with in Boston was from the very list that ABC was pilloried for. Those "side issues" have resonance with "those people" that "Scarborough merrily refers to as his tribe. Obama's failure in PA was a jolt to the Obama biased pundits that something was not quite right with their resplendent Obama.

toast

pogo......if it werent for wishful predictions we'd probably never get over a hundred posts a day.......

McCain called a halt to the out of touch ad.......how touching.......except it has now been seen by millions of goobers everywhere.........that mccain, he's a square shooter.........lolol

Greg Sargent on Senator Obama's Sunday FOXNEWS appearance:

A senior Obama adviser vows that he will "take Fox on" when he appears on the network this Sunday, though it's unclear yet just how.

Obama's decision to go on Fox News has prompted a lot of discussion about the Illinois Senator's relationship with Rupert Murdoch and whether Obama is trying to "court" the media mogul in advance of the general election.

It's also been met with some dismay in the blogosphere, where folks had worked hard to push Dems to boycott Fox as a way of snuffing out whatever is left of the network's credibility.

But how do Obama and his advisers view this? What do they have to say about it?

The senior Obama adviser insists that Obama is under no illusions about Fox and what it represents, and that this isn't about courtship at all, and vows a confrontational approach on Sunday.

Here is what the adviser IM-ed me about this today:

We are clear-eyed about Fox’'s role in the dissemination and amplification of Republican talking points this election. They have been the tip of the spear when it comes to repeatedly broadcasting some of the most specious of rumors about Obama. He is going on their Sunday show to take Fox on, not because we have any illusion about their motives or politics in this election.

The Obama adviser declined to detail how he'd be taking on Fox. But if Obama does this, it could end up playing to his advantage. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

Chris Wallace to interview Obama on Sunday. That will be a lot of fun

eprof2: 2nd place is 2nd place. No "tie."

If the super-Ds want to overturn the will of the voters and pick the less popular candidate, they may do so.

And then the "democratic" party would cease to exist.

Hell. Why even BOTHER to have primaries? Let's just let the top Democratic politicians caucus with a group of top lobbyists and MSM pundits, and let them pick the candidate.

Blondie, nash left out FL & MI because their delegates won't count and all the other reasons the Obama supporters cite for not counting either their delegates or their votes. Remember, FL & MI broke the rules. But we've heard that before - again and again and again. Plus, expressing a percentage margin in terms of delegates makes a much larger number than the votes that yielded those delegates. Hang around, you'll get the percentage margin expressed in terms of states won soon.

Got an idea for them, bring in Hillary and let them go at each other.

I would hope that "taking FOX on" means a lot more than the Miffy McMiffster-style "disdain is the new rapid response to swiftboating (even though it is also the old rapid response to swiftboating)" reaction yesterday to the NC GOP attack ad launch.

Obama got barely heard or acknowledged. The candidate who got featured (and won) was McCain in his Pontius Pilot handwashing gig... which was strategically timed to coincide with his rejection of Bush's Katrina response.

Pogo

BHO will sit down and talk with any dictator in the world, but he is afraid of another debate and was never able to workout a re-vote in Michigan and Florida. Some negotiator. I know I keep hearing the talking heads telling me he is the nominee -- more smoke and mirrors and hats-off to Axelrod. He must have studied Rove.

Pontius "Pilot" lol

I agree with most of Margaret Carlson's article. I, like Hillary, am a middle aged female professional. I busted my ass for over 36 years in a female dominated profession. I have two master's degrees in that profession and worked more than one job for most of my career.

I sacrificed a social life because I was too busy trying to improve my profession and open doors for those who followed. I am one of those bitter people Obama talks about even though for not the same reason he mentions. I can't find the little gun I own and have had to give up most of my church going to accomplish what I have accomplished.

I understand Hillary's frustration of having to watch some male newbe, looking all cool and sophisticated, who hasn't made these sacrifices, dance in a grab all the gravy. I don't blame Hillary for using everything and anything she can in this fight.

Hillary is the best chance for the Dems to win. The MSM has done everything they can do to knock her down and like Weebles, she wobbles but doesn't fall down. Use everything you have Hillary.

FOX should bring in all their top guns for that interview, Hannity and Colmes, O'Reilly. Let them all ask questions. Why not! I would say that for any other network too.

nash, by your logic, hasn't it already ceased to exist by creating superdelegates, giving them a role independent of the results of the primaries and by applying the rules to remove the FL & MI voters' voices in the process. Selective rule application again.

How about this as a compromise - which is applying the SD rule change you espouse but don't acknowledge - require the SDs to vote as their districts (or state - let the DNC make that call), and let FKL and MI count?

He thinks ABC was hard on him. If this network acts like they have in the past it should be a lot harder on him.

Blonde wino: Clinton is clearly more popular with Republicans. Why not give the Republicans a few hundred delegates to the Dem convention so they can vote for her also?

Or how about this, we count all Clinton delegate votes twice? Or maybe we just let the Clinton folks COUNT the votes? (Gee. It's FUN to cheat.)

Remember when Bill Clinton took on Fox News via Chris Wallace? I am sure BHO will get 'kid glove treatment' as he always does with the media.

Maybe Obama should of accepted Hillary's debate with Katie C instead of going on FOX. It could get ugly

That would be FL & MI (damn typos).

how should bill richardson have come down given the votes in his own state of New Mexico.....he has paved a yellow brick road for the other SDs to traipse down.....

Vote for the person you think should win, Mr or Ms SD

Nash...I am not a student of Obamath, so your silly examples are just that. HRC does not have to cheat to win, but subtracting Michigan and Florida from the equation is just crappy arithmetic.

Hey Nash,

I agree. Clinton delegates should be worth two times as much. Why? Well because Hillary says so. That's all we need. I hear that Hillary is counting toes and is about to declare a lead over Obama.

Julie-young

I didn't mean you. I was talking about the news reader on MSNBC named Julie

Nash, you stated

"Clinton is clearly more popular with Republicans. Why not give the Republicans a few hundred delegates to the Dem convention so they can vote for her also?"

I see you are finally coming around...this is why she is a better candidate in November.

Jamie

Thanks, last thing I could be called is an Obama supporter. Do not watch msnbo .

Julie

nash, the dem nominating process is so f*cked up any accusation of cheating is little more than tilting at windmills. There is so little credibility left in the process after the diddling in the 70s to prevent another Mcgovern disaster and to give more voice to those whose voices were perceived as being too faint that arguing about "cheating" is ridiculous. And, please, stop acting as if Clinton's attempts to get SDs to vote for her is cheating when you know full well that Obama is working them just as hard.

Nash,

Since Obama refused a revote in Michigan, let's go for this scenario.

In Michigan the Obama supporters were instructed to vote "Uncommitted" if they wanted to elect him. So take all the other candidates out of the race and give him all the "uncommitted" and give her the votes she won. That way you don't disenfranchise a lot of very necessary voters come November who are decidedly unhappy now.

Can anyone explain to me "why" the super delegates MUST decide before convention? I have heard a ton of reasons, but none of any substance IMO. Isn't that what a a convention is for? As I stated, you can rip the party in two and the dems can still win in November. Why spoil the fun at convention? To me, it seems so undemocratic...just like asking HRC to step aside when she is winning the big state primaries.

oh, and pogo......i doubt there is a "Slick's" in Cocoa now.......that was ' 82.........

Nash

"Hell. Why even BOTHER to have primaries? "

Doesn't it bother you even a little bit that if the Democratic party wasn't trying to make everything "fair" and just used the same system as the Republicans, Sen. Clinton would have been the nominee a long time ago?

Even if the vote was proportional but still one person one vote, she would be the nominee.

It is the Democratic party's arcane "everybody gets a participation ribbon" rules that have caused this mess.

Bitter movie fans...

A Catered Affair gets shown on TCM today at 12:30 EDT...

ct

Wouldn't you love to have a nickle for every woman who had to train a Junior Executive who just got promoted to being her boss?

Nash: Has any Democratic candidate received the 2,025 delegate level yet? Will any candidate receive the 2,025 delegate level before Denver?

Hillary people beware: the MSM and GOP are fickle allies.

While they are now supporting Hillary's move to steal the nomination, the MSM will cover every detail of the grotesque process with glee, causing revusion by Obama supporters, independents, and those few Republicans who were thinking of crossing over.

The GOP would then say, "Hillary couldn't even win the support of democratic voters. Do you want to vote for someone who was chosen by party big-shots? Or would you rather vote for John McCain, a man who was chosen by the people?"

Blond

It is because of the length of time between the last primary and the late date of the convention. All sorts of potential problems in the down time and too short a campaign period following.

I'm with you, I would love to see an old fashioned brokered convention again, but I understand the party's desire to have it settled in order to give the candidate running time.

how much time do you need only to lose? Kerry and Gore had all the time they needed......and they....lost.

jamie,

Yes. It's helpful to read up on how Dem Dels get apportioned... often by how "successful" each C.D. is at electing its Dem candidates.

So it is far from One Man, One Vote. It may like to remember itself as The Party of the People. But that's murky nostalgia no matter which candidate a person may support.

Jamie....with two running against JMc, I think it only hurts him, not the dems. However, it must be about campaign money for the GE.

I am going to fill-out my DNC survey now...just wanted to really see if there is a good reason for the Super delegates to decide now.

eprof2: By your logic, the Dem convention could nominate Edwards. Or Ralph Nader. Or ME.

If I'm elected, my agenda: withdraw all the troops from Iraq and have them invade Cancun. (They need some R & R.) Troops from Afhghanistan get sent to Aruba. (Get some sun and look for that missing girl. Waterboard that Dutch prick who killed her, until he talks.)

Next, "nationalize" the oil industry, make basketball free throws worth 5 points, and appoint Joan Baez Secretary of Defense.

I'm willing to negotiate all this with Congress, except the free throws.

Hey Pogo,

Not wishful thinking about black voters being resentful. Read this for more info:

http://www.theroot.com/id/46025

Hey Blonde Who,

Ever hear Billary on NPR talk about the value of the Michigan primary? Oops, forgot her words mean nothing.

Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 25, 2008 11:22 AM
____________________________________________________________

Bye Bye: I remember what Hillary told NHPR in October of 2007. Is that the interview you are referring to? Hillary reinforced the difficult position the people of Michigan are in ("they are flat on their backs") and then she went on to say this:

"It's clear this election they're having is not going to count for anything but I just personally didn't want to set up a situation where the Republicans are going to be campaigning between now and whenever and then after the nomination you know we have to go in and repair the damage to be ready to win Michigan in November 2008. I'm not going to campaign there before the you know deadlines and the February 5th window. I'm not going to spend any money there. But I did not believe that it was fair to just say "Goodbye Michigan" and not take into account the fact that we're going to have to win Michigan if we're going to be in the White House in January of 2009."

Funny how most pundits (including Tim Russert) usually cut off the quote after the first 13 words. I prefer to judge what people say in context and not pull out partial phrasing for a "gotcha" moment.

Thanks for bringing it up though! It is an excellent example of how Hillary knows what it takes to win the White House in November.

Blonde

There is absolutely NO REASON for them to decide now. Let the process run. Let the people have their say. Force the party to deal with Michigan and Florida (there is a credential committee).

THEN let the SDs do what the SDs are supposed to do.

If there is a spot on the survey, you might consider telling them to dump the caucus format or if not that then a real one man one vote proportional system.

from the root article:

But before Democratic superdelegates get too itchy to snuff the Obama campaign, they should consider the new animal that move might spawn: the Obama Republican.

hoo boy. snuff? the Obama republican?

shoot me now.

Ally - thank you for sharing Hillary's FULL AND COMPLETE quote regarding the Michigan matter.

pesky things facts...

Jamie...anything can happen until August. Why back the super delegates into a corner when the political landscape may change?

Since the Obama supporters love rules...here are more pesky facts about "the rules":

"Any attempt to seat 100% of the pledged or unpledged delegates of Florida and Michigan at this point is “changing the rules.”

FALSE: The DNC Rules explicitly contemplate that excluded delegates will eventually be seated at the Convention. For states in violation of the timing rules, the DNC Delegate Selection Rules provide remedies to reinstate all of their delegates, both pledged and unpledged."

More FACTS about THE RULES can be found here:

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/24/a-talking-points-memo-rules-provide-for-the-florida-and-michigan-delegations-to-be-seated/

Wendy: Prior to the quote I provided she goes into detail about what the people of Michigan face from an economic perspective. It's a great example of how she is in touch with so many Americans. I was more than happy to provide her eloquent words.

I saw you on MSNBC this morning and as usual you turned in a good appearance, I love the way you strangled Andrea "I'll say anything Chris Matthews wants" Mitchell without ever touching her throat. Your remark about the media helping Obama play the race card against Clinton almost caused the MSNBC princess to swallow her teeth. Way to go Craig, I love it when someone snatches the witches broom.

"Craig I predict a bright future for you at Fox."- Bow

That fit makes more sense to me. I use to accuse him of being bias towards Hillary, but have since changed my view.

Nash

Theoretically if it went to a brokered convention, you could be nominated. It wouldn't be the first time favorites were shoved aside and a consensus candidate put forward instead.

Once that first vote is taken, if nobody gets the necessary delegates, all bets are off, let the arm twisting, threats, and bribery begin. FUN FUN FUN.

sturgeone: If the super-Ds steal the nomination for Hillary, I won't vote for McCain, but I won't vote for Hillary either. If my vote doesn't count in the primary, then it isn't going to count in the general either.

AND I'm not going to vote for, or donate money to, ANY Maine super-delegate who goes along with this fraud, now, and until the end of their careers. Maine is a small state, and I will make it my business to confront them with this every time they show up in public.

And it's not just me. It's every Obama supporter that I've talked to.

BBB...I feel your hate. What's up with that? I support HRC, but do not hate BHO. I just feel he is not seasoned (a little more pepper and a lot more garlic, please) and peeps keep shoving him down my throat (he still is too raw for me).

Ally - yes - it is clear from her proposals that she is in touch with what Americans are going through right now and after OH and PA - $10 million and 80,000 new donors that she is connecting with Americans in a way Obama is not.

He can try and blame Hillary - and as a political strategy is is smart of him to attempt to do so - but his glib aloofness and bitter, typical white, gun loving bigots comments are what really are doing him with average Americans - making them feel as if he doesn't get them and their problems.

Of course stuttering and stammering through the policy questions of the debate the other night doesn't help either. Not only doesn't he get them, but clearly he doesn't understand the details of the problems that face the country or how to resolve them.

But I don't blame him for spinning it around on Hillary and the media - that's politics - not NEW politics - but that's politics and that's how it works.

Blonde,

What is really weird is that any of the SDs who have already committed are free to change their minds any time before that first vote at the convention. If they wanted to do a massive shift tomorrow they could.

How would you like to watch that news cycle?

Et tu Nancy? Does Pelosi want to be BO's veep? Does she think the Dems are going to lose in Nov no matter what & she doesn't want to put all of her viable candidates in the same egg basket? Am I reading too much into this?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080425/ap_on_el_pr/pelosi_campaign

Jamie: I just want to know one thing. What is your position on the 5-point free throw rule?

Answer correctly and you could get a cabinet post. How about Homeland Security?

Nash.......that'll show 'em........

". . . if the Democratic party wasn't trying to make everything "fair" and just used the same system as the Republicans, Sen. Clinton would have been the nominee a long time ago?"

Jamie, I sense Hillary would be arguing for an apportionment system if she was losing in a winner take all one.
We need to follow the one and rules we have and modify them for the next cycle.

Only Clintonites can point to $10 million (one third of what Obama brings in each month) as being a sign that Clinton is touching people and Obama isn't. LOL

Wendy: Yes, I think we can all relate to the disappointment we feel when that "new car smell" finally comes to an end. Our baby isn't new and shiny anymore...it's just the thing that gets us from A to B. That's what the media (and, in some measure, the public) are now experiencing with Obama. My concern is that he might not even be able to get us from A to B. He is starting to resemble a Pinto...could implode at any moment.

Nash...I didn't realize you were a professional pollster and if it is true that ALL BHO supporters feel that way, let them sit home in November. What a sorry bunch. When GWB called the dems "haters," I was in such denial. Why all the hate from BHO supporters?

Nash........can you explain to me how it is a "theft" for the SD's to vote for anyone but Obama? Especially given Bill Richardson's having gone against his own state in his endorsement?

Nash

I want the Court of St. James just for being me.

Blue: That's exactly what I told my hubby this morning...Nancy wants to be Veep. It is just painful to watch her in interviews. The mouth moves...but not much else. Personally...I am going to wear my forehead wrinkles with honor. I think I've earned them!

For states in violation of the timing rules, the DNC Delegate Selection Rules provide remedies to reinstate all of their delegates, both pledged and unpledged."

Nothing wrong with that rule. If called upon, let the credential committee do it's job.

BBB

With all of his money and high cost per vote, he still hasn't cinched the nomination. What does that say about good use of all of that money he is raising? It didn't work for Romney, why should BHO be any different.

"Together Forever"
By Senator Orrin G. Hatch & Philip Springer

"America is the country we all love
We believe our destiny
Comes from god above
Let's link our hands for all to see
Our country's majesty

Forever together
America is the land we're fighting for
There's a time in history
For a hero's destiny
Together forever more

Hey John
Say John
They're gonna hit you hard with ev'ry thing they've got

Hey John
Come on
They'll be calling you
Everything you're not!

But sure as heaven
We're gonna win
Start celebrating
Now let's begin

Together forever
America is the country we all love
Let's link our hands for all to see
Our country's majesty

Forever together
America is the land we're fighting for
There's a time in history
For a hero's destiny
Together for evermore"

Ally....Pelosi is another example of botox leak.

Wino,

Yeah. Imagine the genius of someone undergoing a series of toxic bacterial subcutaneous injections and NOT wondering, "Gee, I wonder how they get that to stay all in one place and not -- say -- migrate to my brain?"

nancy is at that tender age some women reach where the blush is so far off the rose that nothing will pretend it's not but spray paint and hard resins. "Some women" because many just choose to be able to accept the ageing process in all its forms.....
Hell..........Men too, as far as that goes.

now where'd I put my nehru jacket and that gold-chained medallion..........

9/11

Especially when the shots have to be given over and over again...where does the stuff go?

Some observations on this Friday...

1. 2 Nobel winning economists said on CNBC this morning, that a President Obama would be the best option for economy. One of the 2 men was Joseph Stiglitz, an economic advisor to Bill Clinton in the 90's. Both cited that McCain and Clinton were stuck in economic policies rooted in the past climate, that would be ill served going forward.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=722561891

This second link is his take on the economy right now and the economic stimulus package. He thinks unemployment benefits would have worked better than the rebate...

http://www.cnbc.com/id/24311464

Craig,

I love your debate ideas. This is certainly an outside the box election and your idea should be seized upon by one of the networks and made to happen immediately.

If Clinton got an agreement with McCain, Obama would have no choice but to beg his way onto the stage or else risk looking irrelevant and further fading.

Sturg...maybe turtlenecks will come back in style...or better yet...dickies? Ascots?

Wino and 9/11: I said THAT to my husband last night while watching Larry King.

It just looks so painful (not the injections themselves...well that too) to have your skin stretched soooooo tiiiiiiigggggggghhhhhhttttt. I keep expecting their faces to crack open like an egg. I also think it looks weird when your eyebrows jump up several feet on your face.

Better yet...hippie headbands!

Jamie,
i know you've stated that you will "write in" for Hillary if Obama gets the nom.. It probably makes little difference if I do the same for Obama since we are both in WA (bright blue). I think it important how the process plays out because I think Emanuel is correct., as I posted this yesterday.

The way the loser loses will determine whether the winner wins in November." said Representative Rahm Emanuel of Illinois.

I got my mom that Nora Ephron book "I Feel Bad About My Neck" for Christmas because I loved it so much. However, she was really offended. Whoops!

Well, Nancy may want to be veep, but I think that was Richardson's reason for jumping on the BO wagon. Lots of other tasty cabinet positions to go around, though. Problem for both of them is that they've joined a team that would ultimately lose in the fall. Fortunately, they've already figured out how to blame Hil'ry. (Waiting for someone to change the lyrics of South Park's "Blame Candada," to "Blame Hillary.")

It's a good thing there's no 10-run rule in politics, otherwise, what we do?

Ally...in the movie the Devil's Advocate, Charlize Theron saw the faces of all the satan-types in a weird distorted way...sort of the way satellite tv can distort a face when it freezes and the digital blocks contort the facial features in some groteseque way. Yep, bring back the hippie headband.

a sprinkling of hippie headbands.......

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=hippie+headbands&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2

those Headbands worked wonders for McGovern

Wino: I just want to keep it real. All of this tightening is related to how women interact with each other in today's world: Competition instead of sisterhood. Appearance as opposed to substance. I call it "Skinny Bitch Syndrome." It affects many of my clients. I was born in the wrong generation. I was meant to burn my bra : )

Thanks, Sturg...I liked the one with the long hippie hair to cover those sagging breasts.

sturgeone: Damn right.

Blue

Both Pelosi and Richardson (my judas governor) set off my bullshit-o-meter to its highest readings.

Nash: If the Democratic nominee is, indeed, decided by a convention, I'd be glad to see your name placed in nomination. I'll support your platform, including the five point free throw.

And, yes, anyone could be nominated. Personally, I'm still an Al Gore supporter. You remember: "Re-Elect Al Gore!"

For the record and I'm repeating myself, I'm not much of a fan of either of these two wannabies.

Did you ever answer my question? Do either of the wannabies have 2,025 committed delegates yet?

Has anyone seen Hillary's face close-up? She's got so much make-up she looks like a Kabuki actor. Her face has been sanded, polished, and buffed.

I'll admit, she looks good, but whatever happened to the "natural" look? She looked better in the late 70s when she wore hippie headbands. (But then didn't we all?)

"We need to follow the one and rules"

Rez - yes - good point - and the point Clinton supporters having been making all day and Craig made to Andrea Mitchell this morning on MoJo...we need to follow the rules as laid out by the DNC not just the rules that benefit Obama.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/24/a-talking-points-memo-rules-provide-for-the-florida-and-michigan-delegations-to-be-seated/

in case you missed the rules analysis earlier.

Nash

What if Maine votes for Sen. Clinton?

Ally...my motto is don't panic, I am organic. It is so unrealistic for anyone to believe they can freeze time by freezing their face. There are even techniques now to laser the vocal cords so one's voice sounds younger. I have to admit, Dusty Streets, on Sirius radio sure sounds like her dentures are slipping. Maybe one should change careers or retire before pretense takes ahold of their bodies. Acceptance is the key to happiness.

Tribecca Film Festival:

Anyone able to hit the festival, please give some consideration to "Ball Don't Lie". It's the screen version of a book, written by one of my son's buddies.

I think McCain wears a corset.

I'd bet pogo another buck on this, but how do we figure out who the winner is?

What was the name of that call girl that got Spitzer? We could take up a collection and hire her.

"Especially given Bill Richardson's having gone against his own state in his endorsement"

add to that:

Kerry

Kennedy

Brad Henry (OK)

Janet Napolitano (Gov. AZ - who also happens to be here on our campus today for an event)

I'm sure the list goes on...so really...Obama supporters should get over this will of the people superD argument...they'll end up losing a lot of superDs if they persist in "trying to change the rules".

When you tally all the votes cast, to date, in this Dem Primary season, Clinton has the most votes! FL and MI each had legal elections! By Law and Rule, it is the responsibly of each state’s legislatures to set the time and place for each election. The national committees CANNOT overrule this!! The fact that the DNC does not recognize them does not make the votes disappear. In Michigan, Obama took his name off the ballot, VOLUNTARY!!! Thus what Clinton is saying is true!! MORE PEOPLE VOTED FOR CLINTON THAN OBAMA!!!

Wendy, Read the TPM article. I agree with any and all of the rules .Did you see my 1:01 comment.

could all you that can see Obama failing to beat McCain in the GE mail me the correct numbers for this Sat night Lottery. I need some help please.

yo soy Horsedooty!

I am just thinking how I can turn this hippie headband idea into a cash cow to ride out this economic depression...maybe have the candidate of choice printed on each headband...catch phrases, too.

9/11

My version is more fun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcWQNP0ISqU

"By Law and Rule, it is the responsibly of each state’s legislatures to set the time and place for each election. The national committees CANNOT overrule this!!

Daryl, FL has already lost one Court challenges on this.

Rez - yes - late - so we agree.

Horsedooty...the Princess Drive-In is open per the sign in the window.

Rez,

I genuinely believe that Sen. Clinton deserves the nomination more than Sen. Obama. The combination of media bias, a truly wacko delegate selection proces, and YES her own campaign missteps and stupidity.

When push comes to shove if Sen. Obama gets the nomination, I will be sorry because nothing convinces me he will be a good president, I won't vote for McCain. At present, I'm all the way to just leaving the space blank. See me later about actually voting FOR him, even though it would be horridly painful and against my better judgment.

The Next McGovern?
by John B. Judis

"...Obama's weaknesses as a general election candidate grow more apparent with each successive primary.

Obama even seems to be acquiring the religious profile of the old McGovern coalition. In the early primaries and caucuses, Obama did very well among the observant. In Maryland, he defeated Clinton among those who attended religious services weekly by 61 to 31 percent. By contrast, in Pennsylvania, he lost to Clinton among these voters by 58 to 42 percent and did best among voters who never attend religious services, winning them by 56 to 44 percent. There is nothing wrong with winning over voters who are very liberal and who never attend religious services; but if they begin to become Obama's most fervent base of support, he will have trouble (to say the least) in November."

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=ec466d61-a900-414c-8daf-16ff27ccf85c

Here's some poll news about IND.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/25/campaign.wrap/index.html

sturg, rats.

BBB, do you read the stuff you link? There are more contrasts than parallels between the MD race that you linked to and the dem Pres race. And I certainly don't see McNumnuts selecting a black VP to attract black voters to the GOP - although Condi's name has been bandied about.

And nash, your theft, steal, etc. rap is getting tiresome. Even under your tortured view of the process, any theft will be by the SDs, not by Clinton. She doesn't have the ability to steal anything - all she can do is convince them she is the better candidate - if she gets the nomination through the votes of SDs, it will have been given to her.

Sr. Horse........if Obama wins the nomination I hope he wins against McCain.......as quite possibly he can. Im perhaps not in the "Obama cant win in Nov. " column.....I just like Hillary better and naturally want her to win if she can........a lot now depends upon Gore, Edwards and Mrs Edwards, and maybe even Carter.
If she wins, she wins; if Obama wins, he wins......up with democrats in november.......

Rez - I don't think that was the point Daryl was trying to make. The point Daryl was trying to make was that they were "legal" primaries...not whether the DNC can/should recognize them...clearly that's something the DNC needs to work out based on the rules they have currently set forth.

Daryl's point was simply to say the primaries were held, a record number of Dems voted in FL and Hillary won the majority of votes.

The facts are clear - more people have voted for Hillary than Obama.

The way the DNC will reconcile the votes in MI and FL based on the rules they have to do that is another issue.

I think that's all Daryl was saying

"He thinks unemployment benefits would have worked better than the rebate..."

Duh!

Several people recommended that the money be put into unemployment, job creation, education ... you know all the stuff that helps people actually get back on their feet.

Rebates that will fill your gas tank or pay the electric bill are so much more splashy and flashy while billions go to war contractors and interest to China on the national debt.

Blonde......if youre referring to the princess drive-in in Cruces, that was me asking after that......I'd be curious if it were the same family who ran it in 84.

if so there's some good food going on in that joint.......

Wendy, You may disagree, but, I learned to read many years ago.

"The national committees CANNOT overrule this!!"

I never said that the votes would count towards the nomination!! I just stated that more people voted for HC than BO!!

He said they cannot overrule when they vote...which clearly they can't...they can, however, decide what to do with the vote...which clearly they are in the process of doing.

Daryl - perhaps I read what you were saying wrong - can you clarify.

wow.... look at all the attention Nash has garnered on this board....

Jamie.... have you forgotten how we'd all hash some subject to death..... move to another subject the following day.... and then have Nash come screaming in to tell us the latest news on something he just learnt and it'd be the subject we discussed the day before..... someone (I know I did it a few times).... would tell him he was late and to look at yesterday's thread...... then of course... he'd admit that he wasn't reading the threads before posting..... happened over and over again...... nothing's changed.....

he also has admitted more than once that he loved to throw "bombs" at the blog just to see everyone's reaction..... nothing's changed....

he's always posted 3 times as many complaints about the Democrats as he has about the Republicans..... the only difference now is that he's taken all his complaints and put them on Hillary....

for you newbies...... Nash likes to play..... he really doesn't have a mean bone in his body..... if you want substantive discussion.... don't count on him...... but if you want frisky horseplay.... he's your guy.....

Nash.... you lovable goatman.... you....
seen any good Monty Python lately?.....

excuse me Wendy, meant to copy this quote:
"The fact that the DNC does not recognize them does not make the votes disappear."

April 25, 2008
Gallup Daily: Obama and Clinton Tied at 48% to 47%

Most superdelegates leaning towards Obama. Will not wait until convention to declare.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9862.html

REz

" FL has already lost one Court challenges on this"

I understand that the party could insist that the state party abide by the national rules. What I couldn't understand is how the national could insist on that but refuse to pay for an election since the state set the date and wouldn't go to the added expense just for the party? It really showed some sort of bias at the top of the national party that I now see in Pelosi, Reid, and Dean.

what needs to be clarfied and who is he.

hi renee: I'm just a bit manic these days. How's the craft business?

It is better to have one fine, handcrafted item, then a houseful of Wal-Mart crap.

Wendy..thanks for the Gallup information.

Weather is improving here so I'm going to do an hour of phone stuff at headquarters and then signs to the streets.

Have a good day everyone.

Obama has blown a ten point lead in Indiana

In every contest the late deciders have broken for Clinton

Craig is on!

"Most superdelegates leaning towards Obama. Will not wait until convention to declare."

And, BTW, that's another rule.

nash, I'm always up for a friendly bet - I'm not clear what you're betting on, though - is the bet whether Clinton or Obama would sleep with Spitzer's "escort"?

vad - thank you for expressing that. The national committees can refue to seat and count the delegates, but the votes did occur.

Jamie,
Don't know all the details, but to me, that's part of the penalty for jumping the gun.

Jamie:
Florida & Michigan will probably be granted delegations, but in such a way as to not change the proportion of pledge delegates already won by Clinton & Obama. This way, the voters in those states will not feel left out, but it won't change the outcome.

The matter will still have to be decided by the super-Ds.

My prediction: Obama will be the nominee and Clinton will be his VP. (We've got to heal the wounds within the party.)

I'm willing to bet a buck on this. Any takers?

"Especially given Bill Richardson's having gone against his own state in his endorsement"

add to that:

Kerry

Kennedy

Brad Henry (OK)

Janet Napolitano (Gov. AZ - who also happens to be here on our campus today for an event)

I'm sure the list goes on...so really...Obama supporters should get over this will of the people superD argument...they'll end up losing a lot of superDs if they persist in "trying to change the rules".

Posted by: Wendy! | April 25, 2008 1:37 PM
___________________________________________________________

Wendy: I'll add our favorite interviewee David Wilhelm to the list.

Sorry, Sturg...it really looks the same...run down and not many cars. So many other regional food places now...Whataburger and Blakes...not just McDonalds and Burger King.

Rezdog

They had no choice. Republican control of State government. REpublican Party agreement to the date. The state party didn't have the money to pay for their own election (it costs millions).

The State party did the only thing they could do, they petitioned the party for a waiver just like five other states did. The national party refused the waiver for Florida while granting them to other states.

It was either vote on election day or don't have a primary at all. The voters might have really objected to that.

What is your solution?

pogo: No. We get the call girl to find out if McCain is wearing a corset.

Sturg...sorry about that my memory isn't what it used to be. : )

The Indiana poll saying Obama holds a narrow lead is a statistical tie - the margin is within the MOE.

"The poll showed that Obama -- helped in particular by strong backing from black voters -- is leading Clinton 41 percent to 38 percent among likely Democratic primary voters. But given the poll's margin of error of plus or minus 4.2 percentage points, this race is either candidate's to win or lose."

Research 2000's poll, a day later, put the margin at 1%.

http://www.pollster.com/08-IN-Dem-Pres-Primary.php

Both candidates have held leads as much as 15 pts. there. Hoosiers appear to follow the popular winds.

Or my headband is too tight.

Oh no the thrill is gone. It must have been restless leg syndrome all along.

MATTHEWS: Chuck, let's talk about race. Let's mix in with class. I've said before -- people have criticized me for this -- he doesn't seem to have the knack for walking into a dinette [sic] with regular people in it and just having fun, just connecting.
TODD: Right. I mean, I think this is as much of that as it is the overall race issue. I mean, look, there are some people who say race is a factor who -- because it's prejudice, and there are some who say race is a factor because they think their next-door neighbor won't support a black candidate, but they are hoping a Democrat wins and that's one reason they voted. So, I think somewhere in those numbers, there's a little bit of accountability for that.

Jamie,
What is your solution?
Not like we haven't beat this dead horse lately.

DNC, Stick to your guns! If your rules are to mean anything.

In 2004, MI threatened to do what they did this year and Terry McCauliffe (DNC Chair) told them not to bother to reserve rooms in Boston. Guess my MI did? Keep their original primary date.

FL had the choice of holding a caucus. which they voted down.

BTW, TM, that's the same BF hypocrite who's finance chair for HRC

HEY CRAIG..great job on MSNBC..so glad you are back and i am watching again...i wonder if they saw the MSNBC message boards because the headlines have been WHERE IS CRAIG CRAWFORD? and CRAIG CRAWFORD'S OPINION with links to CQPOLITICS...so now they know people want to see you and hear your fair and balanced opinions

Jamie,
Speaking of horses. I think Big Brown is a lock for the derby.
DW and I have an online account with youbet.com just for the triple crown races.
Emerald Downs is an all day affair and we have to board our dogs when we go and stay up in Seattle. Got to have a few cocktails you know! :)

nash, LOL - I'm clear now - I was having a chipotle chicken sandwich hangover and wasn't paying close enough attention. You find the call girl and you can take yea or nay - I'll cover the other for that buck. I'll even cover that Obama/Clinton bet - although my heart really isn't in it.

Well, y'all have a good weekend - I'm taking L'il pogo and a couple of his buddies to see the Pirates and the Phillies.

Nash...
the craft business has been up and down....
I had the worst summer sales ever last year..... followed by the best fall sales..... followed by the worst November sales..... followed by the best December sales..... when I did my final books for last year in February.... I made only $300 less from the previous year...... I count that as lucky.....

I don't sell much until June.... so I can't really tell you how this year is going yet......

guess I should wander back into my studio and put on MSNBC.....

Rez

Fl turned down a caucus because as with the majority of states they have found the caucus system undemocratic and prefer the primary. Why trade in a system that allows everyone to vote for one that only gives voice to the excited?

Okay REzdog

I have you down for Big Brown

Anybody else?

jamie,

I know the rationale for HRC. As with the apportionment rules, I firmly believe she would not have any problem with caucuses if she won them, which btw we would probably not be talking about Obama if she had done better planning for after Super Tuesday.
We could argue all day about the pros and cons of poll voting vs caucus voting.

Jamie,

I'm not ready to pick yet, but doesn't Big Brown describe about 90% of all thoroughbreds?

Just heard where that a Clinton fundraiser has defected to Mr Obama. I know that must make Mrs Clinton feel bad, so I just sent her another $100 to help console her.

"Rozita Swinton, the woman arrested today for falsely tipping off the police that she was an abused child bride at the FLDS polygamy cult in Texas is a PLEDGED BARACK OBAMA STATE DELEGATE!! "

http://rsmccain.blogspot.com/2008/04/obama-delegate-in-cult-hoax.html

Do you recall the MSM's up-roar in 2000 when GWB made a speech at Bob Jones University. That up-roar was over BJU's policy of interracial dating. That was Bush's only visit. The MSM was saying that by Bush going there he was condoning such a policy. But my have how times have changed. Barry Obama can go to a church for 20 years who's minister preaches hate from the pulpit, but here if you try to connect the two, you are accused of playing the race card. Interesting.

Well I am off for 10 days, and I am hoping all workout on the heavy body-bag will payoff for HRC. BHO is similar to Floyd Patterson, just can't take a hard shot, a glass jaw type of guy. OMG was that racist statement, did I just play the race card by comparing BHO to Floyd Patterson the x-heavyweight champion who was black.

Methane, methane/
Goin' round your brain!

Hehehe..

Rez

In regard to how we fix the nominating structure:

I think the first thing is the national party has proved they can't dictate to the states as to when they can have their elections. It was all bluff from the begining. All they can do is determine delegate seating rules. Seat them or not and pay the political price.
Or quit worrying about it and let the states all pick when ever they choose. The party can suggest starting dates but if they all want to.

Rule changes I would like to see is, one man one vote. None of this some votes are more equal than others.
Get rid of the 15% rule, just count the votes at a caucus and send them in.
Secret ballots .
Either a primary or caucus not both. Primary votes count.

Jack

Craig is welcome back on BONBC on Monday....Wright is protecting his legacy instead of BHO's candidacy. May be a manufactered rift. It will be interesting how this plays out, but Wright may have been upset about the cancelled award dinners, speeches, etc. in Florida and Texas. I guess Wright won't be the Billy Graham of the much hoped BHO presidency. Who knows? Wright does appear to have ego and his soft spoken voice on the Moyer's interview seems like a ploy. Re-packaging.

Josh Marshall just featured this study which Newhouse's Jonathan Tilove just published --

The header tells the story:

"White 'Resistance' To Obama More Pro-Woman Than Anti-Black"

Marshall, who is pro-Obama and no supporter of Senator Clinton, found the article not only credible but positive and a LOT less divisive in its revelations.

This is not going to end the nomination campaign any sooner.

But it really undoes the racism issue and brings up a great deal of concern and anger women feel to how Clinton's candidacy is treated.

The author, Tilove, covers race for Newhouse. He is the author (with photographer Michael Falco) of "Along Martin Luther King: Travels on Black America's Main Street" -- a study of 500 streets named after MLK in black communities across America.

Given that this blog is stuck in an exhausting and damaging taffy pull over this theme, I respectfully urge all posters (and lurkers) to read it:

http://www.newhouse.com/white-resistance-to-obama-may-be-more-pro-woman-than-anti-black-2.html

EdvB

But only one of them got the name

Adriano
Anak Nakal
Big Brown - Rezdog
Big Truck
Bob Black Jack - Jamie
Colonel John
Cool Coal Man - Jamie
Court Vision
Cowboy Cal - Whiskey Jack
Denis of Cork
Eight Belles
Gayego
Monba
Pyro
Recapturetheglory
Smooth Air
Tale Of Ekati
Visionaire
Z Fortune
Z Humor

"Phil Donahue and Arianna on Bill Maher tonight"

Are they going to burn Hillary in effigy or just go straight to the assassination plot?

Nash

"This way, the voters in those states will not feel left out, but it won't change the outcome."

It I were a voter in one of those states, I would be royally pissed and changing my registration to Independent, but the insiders sent as delegates will just roll over to hang on to their brown nose moment of glory.

FryDaddy......
where the hell you've been....... have you been lurking and laughing your ass off at the Dems beating themselves up..... don't lie.... I bet you have.....

Jamie..... I see you took 2 picks for the Derby.....
put me down for Big Truck and Anak Nakal.....
I pick Big Truck in honor of CBob.... who loved to tell us stories about his truck driving days...... and I just like that other name..... sounds kinda Eskimoish to me.....

The return of our resident far right Republican ... aim the spotlight over there ... FRYDADDY .... applause, applause. Now we can have a fight with the other guys. :-)

Makes a short appearance and announces he's leaving for ten days. Is that anyway to treat the loyal opposition?

Oklahoma Governor just endorsed Obama. Didn't even have a good reason for why he did it. He went agains't his state voters so I guess the other SDs can do what they want. They don't have to go with who is ahead.

he-he-he-he-he

http://www.appeal-democrat.com/pictures/jzv9ed-untitled1copy.jpg

Ed,

I can understand that it's a pro female Clinton thing rather than an anti AA Obama one.

I make no bones about it. I'm a feminist, and an Eleanor Roosevelt Democrat.

I believe this country desperately needs a woman president to show all its daughters what they can really be.

We've had lots of male presidents. Mr Obama can wait a little longer; he will be better for it.

Phil Donahue did a show about my former hometown about 20 years ago. There was a large group of men who were using a hollowed-out oak tree at a local park on a regular basis for a big sexfest with each other and they got busted by police. So, Phil contacted these men and they got to appear on his show and explain why they did what they did.

Cnn just did an item on the Hamas endorsement of Obama. However I just saw the name of the item they were doing. Did anyone else see this?

Julie

Corey...how big was that tree? Is it still there?

Rep Clyburn has every right to his opinion, but never has a man been so wrong about so much. It's a shame. He is a man I've respected but he has done a horrible disservice to the Clintons who truly supported him.

All this uproar over that very soft NC Rev Wright attack ad. It is nothing compared to what the Right Wing is prepared to use against Obama. "Sheltered" Dems need to look and listen - don't hide from the RW. There are so many ways to attack him - you've heard about some. These attacks would peel off key demographic groups the Dems need to win the WH. If nothing else, the attacks would suppress the turnout. Obama is fatally flawed.

It was big tree. The park was a place where they played little league baseball. The tree was a huge old tree. If I remember right , one of the men who got arrested worked with my Dad. When Phil asked why he was having sex with men at this park he said , "I was curious. Haven't you ever been curious?" Neddless to say , there was a lot of jokes about the old oak tree!

I'm shocked! In an oak tree?? Truly, a crime against nature.

Tree huggers???

Gordo:

You are exsctly right about the rw swift boating of BO.
They will not even have to lie or even stretch the truth.
All they have to do is tell the truth...

Julie

Look at the newshole page and Smirky Pelosi standing behind Rep. Clymer while he slanders the Clintons.

Good going Nancy. You just took the Wicked Witch of the West honors

http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/25/947311.aspx?CommentPosted=true#commentmessage

"did I just play the race card"-FD

not a problem Fry, we expect that from the repugs.

Julie- yellow dog dem votes the ticket regardless of the candidate. Glad to see Obama will work for you.

From wiki:The term arose from the notion that loyal Southern Democrats would vote for a yellow dog before voting for a Republican.

I just received one of those thank you letters from the DNC along with a solicitation for more money. I'm not going to send them money. And, I'm wondering if it's worth my time sending a letter of 'explanation', or will it just go into the circular file.

Corey...Tony Orlando with his new thinner body can now fit into that old, oak tree instead of just tying the yellow ribbon around it!

Renee. I have your picks. Make up your mind on a final choice before next Saturday. I'm still waffling which is why I have two as well.

Tony Orlando will be in Holland in the week of May 5th. LOL!

If the tree is still there, maybe he will visit?

julie,

The sources on that "endorsement" so far are Newsmax and Powerline.

Caveat emptiness.

Rez, I'm from the Blue Dog wing of the party. When we're in town, those yeller dogs stay on their own side of the street.

Rezdog
While true the yellow dog democrat is supposedly a person who would vote for an old yellow dog-( which I used to have )- rather than a republican.. which I will adhere too.

However as for voting for Obama - no way - I know all the things involved in not voting for a democrat. But if it is Obama, I will either not vote or write in Hillary. I am one of those % of people they talk about that will not vote for him. Just cannot make that decision after what I have seen of the man. And at first I did consider him, but it did not take long to see exactly what he is. I admire ou for your support of the man, but not me..

Julie

Flatus

http://www.democrats.org/contact.html

They may not read, but they can count so encourage everyone you know who shares your opinion to blister their behinds. I already wrote today.

Julie------------------------------------

"Hamas all out for Obama, believes he will end isolation of terror group"

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12791.htm

Fine Julie,
I must of misunderstood you calling yourself a yellow dog dem.

Craig,
I have seen you do commentary on MSNBC before and have always thought you to be fair, until recently. I am a 48 yr. old, degreed, African American female. Your comments regarding Bill Clinton, race,and Obama, bother me almost as much as the ignorance of white men in the media always attempting to tell the masses what blacks are thinking and feeling. If you want to know how blacks are feeling, interview blacks.

I was poised to support Hillary if she turned out to be the nominee until I began to see how nasty and power hungry a politician she is. Hillary is the reason I no longer support Hillary. Not the fact that Obama is black. If your theory and that of many in the media were so, all the blacks I know would have voted for Jessie and Al in the past. We didn't!!!
Regarding Rev. Wright, sure wish those in television media would make the entire sermons available to the voters and not just clips. I hear many talk as though every time Wright mounted the pulpit that was the nature of his message. Unless those that make the claims can prove that, it is unfair to make that assupmption. Also wish you would write extensively about the Tuskegee Experiment. Black men were in fact used as guinea pigs by the U.S. Govt., so why the outrage when a small percentage of blacks question whether the govt might be behind HIV? The outrage should be over the fact that any human being in America even has to wonder! I

It is past time that America deal with the issue of race in a truthful and credible way. We should begin by teaching our children cultural sensitivity in schools. Those in the media who have the power to educate and inform credibly, but fail to do so, only enable the perpetuation of the problem. Some parts of American history are ugly. Until or unless we deal with it we will never heal. Finally if Obama really believed the worst of what Rev. Wright had to say, dont you think he would have expressed those sentiments in his books, or voiced those sentiments during a public speaking event (among witnesses) somewhere in time before he had politcial ambitions? Or do you buy into the myth that Obama has held life long political ambition? This is the same kind of naive, tenuous, smoke screen and mirrors thinking that led this nation into the Iraq war. When will white America wake up and realize we are all better off, when we are all better off?

Corey...although some may see it as frivolous focusing on the old, oak tree, it is Arbor Day today.

From Newsweek -- Obama: Can't 'Swift Boat' Me.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/132874

Horsedooty...the Princess Drive-In is open per the sign in the window. said the Blond wino.

excellent news

yo soy Horsedooty!

P.S.
If Hillary is the nominee.... I'll stay home!

Thanks, Jamie! I've just let them know how I feel, and now I feel much better about the whole thing.

nice article 9/11, two things;

Looks like it's mainly the over 30 women or at least the "blue collar" over 30 gals that are the diehards for her.

And there is some silver lining for the GE.

"Instead, his poor fortunes with white women may be of a piece with Hillary Clinton's dismal showing with black voters, male and female. If Clinton just hasn't been able to compete effectively for black votes with a man poised to become the first black president, so too Obama, to a lesser extent, may have trouble with white women voters as he attempts to close out the candidacy of the person who would become the first woman president in history."

Vote or don't vote. But , if you don't vote , you don't really have a right to complain about how the election turned out.

Andersting

Virtually no one in here except possibly Gordo, gives any credence to the slams against Rev. Wright nor the worst of the guilt by association for Sen. Obama with Chicago activities (well maybe Rezko but I'm sure you could find worse on the Clintons). You are right that the media simply does sound bites without context.

I do sincerely, believe that calling either of the Clintons racist is equally untrue. Most of us who support Sen. Clinton do so simply because we feel she is, at this time, the most qualified and competent person for the job and are disheartened that conditions as they are seem to preclude a Clinton/Obama team that well could have kept the Democratic party in the White House for the next 12 - 16 years.

Matthews just asked if the Democratic loser would be decimated? Instead of a pound of flesh are we going to lop off 10% as punishment?

Democrats and youth organizers have been crowing for four months about the record turnout among voters under 30. Despite that, voters over 60 are still a much more reliable voting bloc, and they don't need to get a text message to remind them to go to the polls.

The over-60 set has comprised at least a third of the voters in most of this year's primaries, according to exit polls, and 40 percent or more in states such as Ohio, Massachusetts and California. The percentage of the turnout of voters under 30 - while increasing since 2004 - has generally been half that of the older voter bloc.

"The battle over the senior vote will be one of the most intense in the fall because they do come out and vote," said Lawrence Jacobs, director of the Center for the Study of Politics at the University of Minnesota, who has researched patterns among older voters.

n a Pew Research survey taken last month, Obama (44 percent) and McCain (45 percent) were roughly even among voters over 65. But voters of that vintage vastly preferred Clinton (51 percent) over McCain (40 percent), according to the survey.

However, Gary Langer, a pollster for ABC News, said Thursday that while age has been a dividing line among Democrats in the primaries, "it's equally clear that socioeconomic status, as measured by education and income alike, is independently a factor, and a big one."

Writing on his blog (blogs.abcnews.com/thenumbers/ 2008/04/is-it-age.html) Thursday, Langer said that "among less well-off white seniors (those with less than $50,000 in household incomes), Clinton has beaten Obama by 70 to 22 percent.

Andersting...I do like the point you make about cultural sensitivity and no other group in American history has been the butt of intense racism as the American Indian (I am proud that the Navajo chief in my state is supporting Hillary Clinton). Racism is not all about black or white.

Jamie------------------------------

It's NOT about the truth - it's about the Right Wing throwing all this "stuff" against Obama and making it stick.

Why Clinton won Pennsylvania
Clinton split the youth vote among other factors.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080423/pl_politico/9812

Jamie,

Andersting can speaks for herself, but i saw her comments as directed to CC as someone in the media who has a voice and the exposure,
"Those in the media who have the power to educate and inform credibly, but fail to do so, only enable the perpetuation of the problem."

Also I disagree about only Gordo too.

Andersting, stop in again.

Ya know

Nash is starting to remind me of Max,

One point over and over and over.

Jack

Posted by: whskyjack | April 25, 2008 8:51 AM

Jack, that's funny because I was just thinking "Nash is sounding like a broken record" and voila! your post !!!

We usually start talking about race when you show up here each morning , Nash.

Posted by: Corey | April 25, 2008 8:32 AM

OMG Corey, it's true what you wrote but I was a bit floored by your direct honesty! I am impressed !!!

I never called Hillary a racist, but she is an opportunist that will do or say anything to win. I find that troubling. And who gets shot at and doesn't remember? If she lied about Bosnia, an event documented on film what else will she lie about.? I cant trust her and I am upset with the way she has treated Obama as a man. She has shown me who she really is and in my mind, there's not a dimes worth of difference between Hillary and Bush. (In character). That is a sad commentary.

Blonde wino... I did say we should teach cultural sensitivity, not African American sensitivity. Cultural represents many.

Politics is about defining your opponent. The Clintons defined Obama as inexperienced and without a proven track record of change. Anyone who attempted to contrast plans or experience with Obama was going to be defined as "racist" or "playing the race card" because it is a much easier defense than staying with the issues at hand (experience and results.) What is laughable about all of this is who they are targeting: The Clintons? Bill Clinton? Racist? It's a joke.

If anybody is offended, it should be Bill Clinton who has been a true friend to the African American community. The speech he gave on the day of the Million Man March was the most honest and frank speech on race since MLK, contrary to the opinions of the panting talking heads on cable news.

And yet, we are tearing this man down and smearing his reputation and Clyborne is worried about the damage Clinton has done? Give me a break! How is Clyborne helping matters with these veiled threats? How is he bringing the party together? How dare he say he cares about unity. How dare he.

"And, I'm wondering if it's worth my time sending a letter of 'explanation', or will it just go into the circular file."

Flatus - there is a very large group of Hillary supporters that send every e-mail/every letter back to DNC with explanation of why they cannot support them financially. I encourage you to do this if you are so inclined.

Andersting..

This is exactly what I posted --

Andersting...I do like the point you make about cultural sensitivity

I thought we were agreeing.

Rezdog,

Thanks for reading that piece.

And if anyone hasn't read it, his remark is totally on base with the context of that article.

NEW THREAD

9/11: That is an excellent article and points out the obvious to many of Hillary's female supporters: Obama is a man, after all, so regardless of his race he still doesn't represent real change to many women. Only a woman would be something new. Something different from the status quo.

J"amie you and most around here, including our host have turned a blind eye to Clinton's race baiting"

I think I addressed this well the other day so I'm going to cut and paste it again.

LOL

Clinton was polling 50% with African Americans, while running against a black man.
So she said to herself, "I think I will run a racist campaign and blow off my 50% support among African Americans. I will more than make it up from all the white racist in the Democratic party. I can even win in South Carolina with a racist campaign. Who needs the black vote? We have sooooooo many racist whites in the party."

LOL

All the folks who keep claiming the Clintons are racist are not using the brain that God gave them.

Jack

If the party really wanted to make everybody happy (short of electing co-presidents - we could have a new civil war and decide who gets east and who gets west), the powers that be might consider the following:

Immediately after the completion of primary cycle, Sen. Clinton would withdraw leaving Sen. Obama as the candidate. She would throw her support and agree to work for his election.

Behind the scenes she would be part of the committee to vet a VP.

In public so that he couldn't reneg on it later, Sen. Obama would thank her and then say that if she chose to consider the offer, he would nominate her to the first vacancy on The Supreme Court.

(Sturm and Drang ends, She's removed from future competition and can't build a coalition in the Senate, Lifetime appointment of honor)

Any other suggestions?

For those who want to see the touts opinions about the Derby, just click on one of the names on the left

http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2008/contenders

NEW THREAD !!!!!

Continue telling the truth Craig, we love you+++++

More power to you !!!!

Yes, Craig, why don' t you have your own show?