Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Well Craig,

Lets get this over with too because, thats a big stretch! He may be tall, but Obama's figure isn't as pronounced as Fondas.....

I think it is said that because a person supports Hillary Clinton Obama supporters will castigate and try to humiliate you because you do not like or support the messiah Obama.

Some of us are enlightened and are not brainwashed by the guru maharajah Obama, some of us can see him for what he truly is.

I do not suffer from the white guilt complex that some do. I also do not feel that by voting for the first African I am somehow absolved from hmmmmm how did the messiah Obama put it...oh the "Original Sin" of slavery.

I tend to be a little more pragmatical about it if the best man for the presidency is African American thats great I will proudly vote for him, but Obama is not that man, at least by my standards

Once again the radical extremists in the Democratic Party the vocal minority will once again get their way and their candidate and once again our party will go down in flames and centrist democrats will have to suffer.

What Obama supporters cannot get through their heads is that A-M-E-R-I-C-A as a whole is Center-Right it not a bastion of liberalism but they cannot ever understand that .

But no problem, Obama and his megalomania and ego will risk hurting his own party out of ego arrogance and pride.

I love and respect Mario Cuomo but he had the class, grace, dignity and common sense to realize as a liberal he could not win the presidency and spared his party the turmoil of losing, he unlike the messiah Obama put his ego and pride aside.

All I can do now sit and watch with an aching heart as you extreme radicals destroy the Democratic Party
I know I will be hated and despised by the Obama supporters here. I'd rather be honest and stand by my principles and be hated, then be dishonest and be loved
So be it.

--Heather

From last thread; Air America host:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfdhWi5MILo

http://tcarter.blogspot.com/2005/04/forgive-jane-fonda.html

Heather,

Excellent post, 3:31, I agree wholeheartedly.

Huge clapping hand for you..

Julie

People who were too young or just never even saw Klute or On Golden Pond and either didn't know about or don't remember the Hanoi Jane days will learn to be pissed at Fonda if Barack is the nominee - the far righties certainly won't be changing their opinions but it's some of the tender middle that may be at risk. How much it might hurt Obama if at all will all depend on how often and how loud the taunts are. Them boys who produced the Swiftboat Ads are still around I'm sure, and they do make one mean ad.

And Craig, I expect that Nancy will come out and invoke memories of that great patriot and hawk Ronnie on behalf of Johnny to counter Jane.

"t not a bastion of liberalism but they cannot ever understand that ."

Plus, I noticed that most of the little twerps who now believe they speak for the party were the first to run from the word liberal and call themselves progressives.

One positive from this clusterf##ked primary season -- I'll bet a lot more women now will call themselves feminists.

OMG
Jimmy Cater hints at supporting Obama, LOL like there was any doubt... his National Security Adviser is helping his campaign and as we all no Zibig wont take a breath unless Jimmy says so.

MSNBC stop treating Americans like they are politically ignorant!

--Heather

The suspended Air America host (has she been fired now?) was Randi Rhodes.

Pogo,
If you're referring to a Reagan endorsement, it happened a couple weeks ago.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23797059/

Dear Patsi
Totally right on the mark :-))

Sincerely,
Heather

Clair should get a nice jab. Maybe she would be a little less witchy.

I used to listen To Randi before she sold out Hillary for Obama I did not know she was fired. Yikes Pogo

--Heather

Air America host called them F__ W___s?

Fox Watchers?

Hey, birthday boy. Your dream ticket ain't gonna happen. So sorry.

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN0336718220080403?sp=true

Edwards says not this time.

Rez, I was aware of that - now they'll have to come up with ads invoking the ghost of Ronnie.

"no one believes I'm as old as I am anyway"

Most of us had you pegged as being in the middle of the "terrible twos"

From the Bill Simmons Mail Bag...

Q: I can confirm your buddy Sully's Twelve Percent Theory from the last mailbag (about mothers getting 12 percent crazier after each childbirth), although your Hillary Clinton example is wrong because it misses another key data point: Every time a man cheats on his wife, the wife loses another 33 percent of her sanity. So, you figure Hillary lost 12 percent from giving birth to Chelsea, 33 percent from Paula Jones, another 33 percent from Monica, and if you throw in a few more that we never found out about, she's operating at approximately minus-530 percent sanity these days, right?

-- John M., Providence, R.I.

SG: I'm Barack Obama, and I approve this message.

jamie, LOL!!!

Pogo,
For those swiftboat boys, Nancy would be taking the highroad.I would be looking more for step and fetch ads.

Craig

Vietnam is ancient history, Most voters in the US weren't born when we first got involved in Vietnam. That includes one presidential candidate.

I tried to find the Median voting age and found it to be 45 I don't know how reliable the number is but.........

At 55 I am either the last class that had to worry about the draft or next to the last.
I guess my point is there are not a lot of people still alive that worry about Jane Fonda.

Jack

Anti-missile defense.

Anti-missile defense systems kill arms reduction because the country ,(A), with the systems achieves a comparative advantage over the country, (B), without the systems.

The balance can be restored by country (A) eliminating a disproportionately large number of offensive weapons, or country (B) either deploying its own defense systems, or deploying increased numbers of offensive weapons.

The United States has reneged on an agreement that was of vital importance to the all inhabitants of this planet.

The U.S. argument that, despite their location, the defenses were only to protect against missiles from the Middle East is absurd.

Hmmmm
Edward not accepting Veep role interesting...I believe he sees the writing on the wall... Translation: Obama losing in general and and gearing up for a 2012 run

--Heather

Flatus , I was done with that topic, but like I said, with this move we've lost what little credibility we had on that issue.

Heather, perhaps so.

Obama/Webb, huh? Interesting prospect, I guess. And somehow I'm not surprised about you not knowing Bob Evans - or as we call it around here "the Bob."

Fonda

There are enough of us Vietnam veterans around who view Ms Fonda's actions during her visit to North Vietnam as treasonous.

Treason is one of those crimes that I don't forgive.

It makes no difference that she is a fine actor.

Heather, you do crack me up. I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything - keeps me from having to clean the keyboard.

How odd the hall monitor is nowhere to be found.

The problem with Webb as VP is that we need every Democratic senator we have. There is a good chance he would be repaced with a Republican in an election.

Besides he is going to have to do something to get the HRC supporters on board.

Jack

Rez,

Lincoln Perry (Stepin Fetchit) was a brilliant performer. The character he created has been lambasted from all sides for perpetuating stereotypes and Ben Vereen caught holy hell for his dance tribute to him for his talent.

In real life he was a masterful performer who carved out a career in a very racist world

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepin_Fetchit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f69GdiSZ-NA

Hi Jack,

See as how a Military type with deep knowlege is probably a good idea for both candidates this time, I can think of Wesley Clark, Jim Webb.....can you or FLATUS think of any other?

Chuck Hegal would be a great cross over.

The voting rate was higher among
the older citizen population than
the younger citizen population.
The rate for citizens 55 and older
was 72 percent in the 2004 presidential
election, compared with
47 percent among 18- to 24-yearold
citizens.

A key difference between these
age groups was registration. While
79 percent of citizens 55 years and
older were registered to vote in
2004, 58 percent of the younger
citizens were.

Young adults, especially
people in their twenties, are
the most transient, which may lead
to lower levels of registration
because moving usually requires
re-registering.5

Jamie-------------------------

Process thrusts panel in spotlight

"Twenty-five Democratic activists named to an obscure party committee face the prospect of doing what millions of primary and caucus voters across the country so far haven't — choose their party's presidential nominee.

A law school dean, a car dealer and a college student are among the 25 people appointed by Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean to the Convention Credentials Committee, a body that could swing the election when settling the brouhaha over seating Florida and Michigan's delegates.

The bulk of the 186-person committee will be chosen by the candidates, Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton, using a proportional formula that generally reflects the results of the primary contest — meaning neither one is expected to have enough votes to control it.

The committee is responsible for refereeing any questions regarding the seating of delegates and alternates that aren't resolved by the party's rules and bylaws committee. In most presidential election years, this means settling small disputes regarding individual delegates that have no bearing on the party's presidential nominee.

But the panel, which isn't expected to meet until July or early August, was thrust into spotlight after the Florida and Michigan Democratic parties last month abandoned plans to hold do-over primaries.

The committee still could avoid having to rule on the disputed delegates if the national party's rules and bylaws committee — the group that stripped Florida and Michigan of a combined 367 delegates after the states moved their primaries to January — reopens the case."

http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080402/NATION/823571737/1001

Dear Pogo

Don't know if cracking you up is good or bad or perhaps not taking what i say seriously.
It's all good
Time will prove me right or wrong,
We will see
Sincerely,
Heather

Sheila, the other Sen Kerrey comes to mind. But, Webb has the most passion.

See, Jack. To you Vietnam may be ancient history, but to me it's not, and I'm only 2 years older than you. I believe the Fonda connection could have legs. Think of it this way - taking Virginia, Illinois and New York as examples, 59% of the VA Dem voters were 45 or older, with 25% over 60; Illinois was 55%, 23% respectively; and NY was 66%, 30%. Ohio looked like IL, and you can guess that FL had may more older voters at 72%, 39%. So that average age you cite may be right, but between about a fourth and a third of voters are 60 or older - and you can bet they remember Vietnam, were either for it or against it, and won;t likely be very dismissive of Jane's actions back then. To some it won't make a damn. To others, it will.

Craig,

Even with the republicans....jack is right. The Jane Fonda deal concerning her vote is a nothing....

Of course maybe 10% of the population is going to fuss in the general. But 90% of that ten will be republican also and extreme right wingers.

I just think we are all desparate enough to wave this pesky nat away and squish it!

I don't particularly like what Fonda did too, but its vietnam and this is not. This is a kettle of fish that Jane Fonda hasn't touched except for her vote.

Flatus,
Are you suggesting NK, Iran or even the build-up of Chinese ballistic missiles was promoted by our missile defense? That's a page out of Biden's book. While I understand that missile defense for Europe doesn't target present threats, no doubt eventual Iranian missiles will be considered a deterrent factor for the Mullahs against retaliation for their likely sponsorship of terror. Missile defense in Europe does negate that.

I also wouldn't be too certain that China isn't advancing missile defense. They do have programs that go back decades. The gorilla in the room will turn out to be rail and laser technology that all sides will study regardless of the number of missiles. The Russians also have violated some of the strategic understandings with new designs for warheads. And missile defense can be used against most air borne threats which are also growing and not a consequence of missile defense. Our carrier groups are sitting targets. Silent subs introduce coastal threats and NK has remote launched medium range missiles designed to fire from cargo containers or other sea platforms. It would be crazy not to keep working on missile defense. I think the South Koreans and Israelis, even the Saudis and Indians see that.

Your comment about Europe does make some sense, but it will take years to deploy missle defense, so if we want to be ready, how can we not start now? Russia does not want to reduce missile numbers because that is their major deterrent. Again, to conclude missile defense provokes more missiles over-looks the factors pushing Syria, Iran, NK and China. Such considerations have neither stopped India and Pakistan who likely have neutron bombs because of their proximity to each other in case of a tactical exchange. I would however, take your point about Europe seriously and add that we had better guard against cruise missiles, drones and medium to short range missiles if we want to protect theaters including the US against the more likely clandestine threats. NO nation is about to lauch pre-emptive missile strikes except perhaps Hamas and Hizb'Allal.

As far as Fonda and Carter, has one ever witnessed a candidate distance himself from so many Liberal endorsements and personal friends? Fonda was hanging out with Viet Cong and not too long ago apologized for that. Again, there will be that Woods Fund connection where one group at least supported the Viet Cong and received funding when Obama served as a director. Carter and Zbig....hhhmmmm. MCCain will ask if we want Reagan or Carter. Yes, Heather, it didn't have to be like this. Trash Clinton and restore Carter, the true friend of Israel and defender of Western Hegemony.....ha

Heather - I look for humor in everything, and I often find it in your posts - and I'm pretty sure I know when it was intentional. I thoroughly enjoy most people's posts here, and yours are among some of my favorites - a high compliment given how much of a Crawford whippersnapper you are.

FLATUS,

Bob Kerry is a great one..,Medal of Honor winner,,but he's been out for a while and while that is a good thing....wasn't there some slime there? Or was the just republican slime.....can't remember.

While I believe in free speech and think Randi Rhodes has every right to support Obama in any way she sees fit...and of course express her views about Hillary...this is just a good example of how many Obama supporters are the complete opposite of what the profess to love about the candidate they support.

"Randi Rhodes Suspended; Calls Hillary 'Big F---ing Whore'"

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2008/04/03/randi-rhodes-suspended-calls-hillary-big-f-ing-whore

I know Rachel Maddow is also in the tank for Obama (even though she pretends not to be) but at least she has some class about it and is genuine. I get mad at Maddow for pretending to still be unbiased in the race but you have to respect that she's not going off the deep end like poor Randi obviously has.

I don't know if there's an effect or not, but I do know that when I first opened the site page and caught the name Jane Fonda I was SO relieved it wasn't Hillary she endorsed.

No excuses for Randi Rhodes who I have enjoyed everyday.

I wondered where she was.....but she deserves to be fired. Nuff said.

Gordo

The point is that all of these people are legal delegates, appointed according to party rules as established for many years.

You may perceive favortism this time around, but it is not some vast conspiracy to do some esoteric bidding of unknown or arguable powers. It is just the rules.

You don't like it? Change the rules.

" caught the name Jane Fonda I was SO relieved it wasn't Hillary she endorsed"

Heather,

Me too. You may not agree, but I was almost equally relieved that Pres. Carter might endorse or at least support Sen. Obama.

The starry eyed wing of the Democratic party are ganging together.

Bob Kerrey was slimed by the Obama campaign.

Another Democrat demonized.

How many kisses of death can he survive?

Posted by: Maxtrue | April 3, 2008 4:51 PM

Well.....as long as you've brushed your teeth Max, I'm sure we'll all be all right ;0)

Many, many years ago I was is a dispute with another employee at a radio station. He just adored Microsoft and I was equally adment about Apple

My contention: MS was for people who liked to play with computers and Apple was for people who liked to get a job done.

Barack Obama is Bill Gates. Hillary Clinton is Steve Jobs.

Showy bells and whistles vs. ease and competence

Gotta run, it's been fun. later, hon.

Oh That's right.

Bob Kerry mistakenly said that Obama was taught in a Madrasa.......igniting the Muslim War......I remember now.

He would be a great pick for Senator Clinton as Veep, but not so much for Senator Obama.

TTFN Pogo!

Shall we try adamant

In 2007 Jane Fonda made an appearance at a DC peace rally and some vets went ballistic to protest her involvement. Like Patsy I'm glad that she came out for Dowd's "effete" wonder.

toast

I don't think a Fonda endorsement is going to hurt him any more than him being black will.

I brush regularly Shelia, but reading the daily info on Obama, I often find a bad taste in my mouth. Don't worry, I'm not planning to kiss anyone here.

is about the best I can do.........

Bob Kerry ignited the Muslim War?, I must have missed that one.....

The Kennedy clan didn't help Obama in MA. I think everyone over rates endorsements anyway.

Sen, Barack Obama, attended a "secular madrassa" as a child.

Kerrey was in the process of lauding Obama's capacity to connect with the Muslim world when he made the claim, which has been discredited.

"I've watched the blogs try to say that you can't trust [Obama] because he spent a little bit of time in a secular madrassa," the Nebraska Democrat said on the Situation Room with John King. "I feel quite opposite. I think it's a tremendous strength whether he's in the United States Senate or whether he's in the White House."

In January, CNN reported that allegations that Obama was educated in a madrassa were inaccurate, after Insight Magazine had first spread the rumors. Weeks ago, the Washington Post resurfaced the story in a front page article that painted the madrassa rumors as part of a greater smear campaign against Obama. The paper was widely criticized for failing to point out that the allegations were proven false.

In a technical sense, Kerrey's words were not entirely untrue. According to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, the term madrassa means a "Muslim school, college or university that is often part of a mosque." And Obama has acknowleged that as a child in Indonesia he did attend a "Muslim school."

Some Obama supporters have asked why former Sen. Bob Kerrey, D-Neb., who endorsed Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., today, mentioned her opponent Sen. Barack Hussein Obama's middle name in remarks published in The Washington Post. (LINK)

"I like the fact that his name is Barack Hussein Obama, and that his father was a Muslim and that his paternal grandmother is a Muslim," Kerrey is quoted as saying. "There's a billion people on the planet that are Muslims, and I think that experience is a big deal."

carter will hurt him with the jewish vote//////

he said in his book the jews were performing aparthied on the pallestinions

Rex,

I think your right. The best endorsements are still the American people.

Chex Sheila, you got a spasm in the left little finger.. :-)lol. . or maybe you hunt and peck like me.

Your Right WTF.

its a big deal.

Dear Pogo:
Thank you, You added some joy to to my life today and truly appreciate it.
Its been another depressing Hillary Bashing day.

In any event Hillary supporters my take solace in Michael Barone's article very well written and researched...
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/

LOLOLOL Woops @ Sheila....

I've got the frustrations and problems of "One Life To Live" on the mind. lol Alas, "REX" doesn't know he's a father....

;0) I haven't watch the whole winter, of course. ;0)

SO please forgive me.

One more endorsement for BHO! I have quit watching anything political...I have been depressed since the Richardson endorsement. It is like a flood. Why does the thought of a BHO presidency make me so unhappy?

So, I solved my problem...no news, is great news. But, I cannot resist reading Trail Mix.

Patsi,

Curiously, Why do think she didn't?

"Jane Fonda I was SO relieved it wasn't Hillary she endorsed."

The Obama attacks on Kerrey seem childish and petty.

All I have to say about Randi Rhodes is that what she did was rude vile and disgusting and certainly beyond free speech.

there is an old saying that women are there own worst enemies and Randi Rhodes just proved that theory correct.
I quit listening to her months ago when she went in the tank for Obama when she lied to her audience saying that she would not endorse anyone and stay neutral and support the Democratic nominee...so much for her word

--Heather

Shelia, its only a big deal if you're a candidate trying to run away from the perception your administration will Carter all over again. Hillary doesn't have that baggage. First Bush/Nixon, then hearings calling for a reform of government policy while more crap unrolls on the international front. People bashing America for far more reasons thatn Nixon/Bush. Our adversaries feel they're winning. The economy in the dump. Amerca so divided and angry they elect Obama to move in the opposite direction. But of course, the opposite direction isn't the answer, a different direction is.

So as I have said, vote for Obama if you want a new spin on Carter. Hell, Carter had some good qualities and is no dummy. Maybe someone else will urinate on the lawn, but the perception as troubles unfold globally is that Obama is just the set-up for a new Reaganism in 2012 which I do not think is a particularly wonderful idea.

I was hoping for a Black RFK and it will depress the nation to get a Black Carter. Yes, the Jewish vote is getting mighty questionable. Maybe McCain won't have to campaign. He can just sit back and watch the Democrats disintergrate. I'm with K on this one. The Clintons should take a long vacation after the primaries if Hillary loses. THe DLCers have been purged. Let Meeks, Wright, Jackson, Carter, Zbig, McPeak, Malley, Rice, Goolsbee, Fonda, Ted, Casey, Leahy, Pelosi, Reid, have their day. Someone else can pick up the pieces later.

ATM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080403/ap_on_re_af/zimbabwe_elections

"Bill Keller, executive editor of The New York Times, said Times correspondent Barry Bearak, a winner of a 2002 Pulitzer Prize, was one of those taken into custody. "An American consular official who visited him at the central police station reported that he was being held for `violation of the journalism laws,'" Keller said."

Here are the numbers for the 2004 election from the census folks.

2004 election

Voters
total voting----------- 125,736,000

Older than 55------- 44,438,000

All Veterans--------------17,367,000

Veterans are less than 15% of the voters.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2006pubs/p20-556.pdf

Us old farts are in a distinct minority of the voting population.
If there is a record turnout of young voters then look for it to get worse.

Jack

Dinner Time with my daughter
I'm tired today I had all the Hillary bashing I can handle today.
I can tell you this, I will have a talk with my daughter and make sure that when she reaches adulthood she will not behave like Ms.Randi Rhodes and when she makes a promise to live up to it.
Unbelievable how all these people that support the messiah Obama with all of his preaching and moralizing he has the rudest supporters of and candidate I have ever seen
--Heather

Chris Dodd backtracks big time. Today he says,

In an interview with CNN's John Roberts, Dodd — a supporter of Barack Obama — said he thinks the race will end when "the candidates decide they can't go any further.

"The last thing you want to do is lecture candidates to get out of the race," Dodd also said.

Last week he said,

"Over the next couple of weeks, as we get into April, it seems to me then, that the national leadership of this party has to stand up and reach a conclusion," he added.

Jack,,

Very telling information. this will be the second year for the Youngsters voting. If this happens, I believe the batton will be officially passed.

then is up to them to pick up the pieces. Heck, my son has done 3 tours over there all ready. I think they should have a bigger say in their life or death decisions. just my opinion.

Dear Wendy:
I sent a reply to you...not sure if you received it if not I will resend
Wendy (･_･ )

Sincerely,
Heather

Someone else can pick up the pieces later.
Posted by: Maxtrue

I admire your posts. I posted weeks ago that BO is Carter only more divisive.

toast

The Vets....I thought we were 16%....who knew.

Shelia,
I deplore the situation your son finds himself in and I can understand the anger. I think FIASCO sums it up. Bush should have LISTENED to Hillary's floor speech in 2002. Had Saddam rearmed and sport WMD now, removing him would cost many more US lives than it has. Letting the region spin out of control also endangers future soldiers. Somewhere there is a line between stupidity and passivity.

My sympathy for you as you worry. I cannot express my contempt for Rumsfeld and others who dropped the ball. You don't play the Patriots without a game plan. If the game is so necessary to win you go in prepared and Bush will alawys be remembered for the stubborn incompetence with which he played this game. It took years before we applied the lessons of Vietnam. Just friggin amazing.

Where were the Republicans Frydaddy? They could have collectively demanded accountability and teamed with Democratic moderates to slow the stupidity. Sure McCain and Hagel shouted, but not loudly enough. Arrogance turned Iraq into the mess it is along with the venom of so many Iraqis who want to murder each other. I wouldn't have taken your son's life so lightly Shelia. Just wanted you to know that.....

I was confused by some peoples dislike of Former President Carter earlier. I mean, I thought maybe I had misunderstood Jiimy Carter's standing in the Democratic party. So I email some of my friends and one answered me with a nice comment.

"I admire Jimmy Carter. Strong military commander in the subs in the Navy after his time as President went home and started working with Habitat for Humanity. Has written several books has been to witness free elections. What more could he do? There were some things that happened when he was POTUS that were mishandled but was it really his fault? I don't know about that. Biggest problem is he is a genuinely nice guy

If more people had listened to Fonda, and fewer had listened to John Wayne, they never would have been suckered, like naive fools, into Bush's Iraq War mess.

What's worse, the John Wayne types (like McCain) don't even know how to get OUT of Iraq. They want "us" to stay there for 100 years.

And by "us" they mean "other people's kids."

Another much admired friend wrote this;

As I've said ad nausium, the two most honorable presidents in the last 50 years were Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter. Both faced daunting circumstances and both were in no-win situations. They both put their country before personal or party ambition. We are a better country for these two men.

Why Thank You Max,

I do appreicate your feelings.

And Nash,

I agree with you. The biggest problem with McCain? He really IS too old. His old Politics Undies are showing.

Sheila just off the top of my head,
2 things come to mind. the WWII vets are getting fewer and fewer.
Also we have had the volunteer army with longer enlistments than the draft army so there is less movement through the system.

I have a nephew in the Navy. as his mother said "Having a child in the military makes you pay a lot more attention to what the idiots are doing in Washington"

Jack

Wow jack, I just didn't think of a generational shift in LIFER's either. Good Point.

That mother echo's me and I was in myself. I remember being terrified when he enlisted because My Gut was telling me that IT was coming.

and of course, His daddy was a Seal....traditions and all that. Well I got a special forces sailor, but at least he's not a seal. ;0) one victory on that one. But live fire is still in play here so I want this over.

"Curiously, Why do think she didn't?"

I think Jane Fonda has been enamored of cultish-like behavior her entire life. This one was perfect for her.

"the two most honorable presidents in the last 50 years were Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter"

I have to agree.
I do have to add that Carter and Clinton have much the same problem.
They are the punching bags for both the Republican partisans and the Democratic left.

Jack

With all due respect to your email pals, Sheila, the Carter administration most assuredly paved the way for Ronald Reagan who single handedly did more to destroy the fibre of America than anyone before or since. Maybe even more than W.

Carter was a great guy -- I loved him -- but not a good administrator. And if you loved Carter, why did you vote Reagan in?

And Another for Carter;

I don't care if some people view Carter as a cantankerous old man. He's damn well earned it. The fact is that he's one smart hombre who has done a lifetime of service for his country and the world. If he'd have endorsed Hillary, I'd respect that. If he endorses Obama, I'd respect that. Either way, I respect President Carter

Nash you mischaracterize McCain's words as did Obama, but to Shelia's point.

Carter did in fact start some weapon programs that helped Reagan. Carter however, fumbled the ball in Latin America. He allowed Zbig to bait the Russians into Afghanistan and then simply armed OBL forming a coalition with the Saudis and Pakistanis who beheaded Russian soldiers. So much for human rights. Meanwhile, Pakistan sought the bomb as we bribed them to join us against the Russians. The idea was to let others fight our battles regardless of the consequences. Carter also pulled the rug from under the Shah without an adequate moderate party to take over, History has shown that he allowed a certain dovishness to unravel the Gulf and then left an unsupported Carter Doctrine as mere words for Reagan to actualize. And look at Reagan. He sold weapons to Iran (Was that okay Senator Hamilton?) and armed Saddam. He prevented the Isralis and India from taking out Pakistan's nuclear facility. I'll leave the Peace agreement between Eygpt out of it for the forces unleashed in Afghanistan eventually killed Sadat. Kissinger has a place here having forbid Israel to completely destroy the Egyptian army on the banks of the Suez. They traded land for peace and bought some time.

Carter did advance the idea of a rapid deployment force, but didn't give it much muscle. I am sure Carter is a pleasant guy. His take on Israel is slanted and he has said Darfur is not genocide. Does Obama agree?The point is that a repeat of his economic and foreign policies at this time would be harmful and quite possibly lead to another we-need-a-Reagan situation. Imagine the trashing of Obama as the new Carter coupled with Rezko and Wright. Can he really win with this? Add many angry Hillary supporters. This situation is exactly what I've be warning about with my pushing Hillary. Then again, at this point, Hillary getting the nod will anger the Obama supporters. Had Obama simply waited and became the VP, this mess would not have happened, yes? You may not have liked this option, nor he but Hillary was the front-runner for good reason. His decison to bolt the Senate and run was a poor choice. That's just my opinion. Now he can't bow out, nor can Hillary. What a mess and Shelia, I'm hardly laughing.

I respect your opinion Patsi.

We are both old enough to understand that when I emailed these people I said,

"I'm confused, some on the blog seem to not like Carter and I thought he was an elder statesman for the Democratic Party with many admirers. I'd like to know your opinion...is there something I don't understand?"

Exactly that.

I respect Clinton too....I'm not sure why you would always think I am being snarky

flatus:

There are plenty of Viet Vets (like me) who think Fonda was right.

40 years later and you STILL don't get it, do you? Fonda didn't cause us to "lose" the war in Vietnam. It was lost by the nitwits who planned and excuted it.

Just like Iraq.

If you want to look for for "traitors" today, how about Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, and Rice?

And let's not forget the Republicans in Congress.

And the war-profiteers like Haliburton and Blackwater.

And Limbaugh and all the other right-wing gas bags.

Max,

I truely Appreciate your opinion.

However, I think the bottom line here is this; REALLY. Obama is strong enough (for better or worse) to accept Carter's endorsement and then run his own administration without Carter's immediate help.

Although I even saw Former President Carter have consultation meetings with Reagan and the first Bush while I was in the White House. This is what ALL Presidents do.......

LOL Althought I fear poor Dumya will be ignored in that exclusive group.

The "youth vote" in 2008 is 14%

There have been progressive increases since 2004.

The 2004 elections marked the largest increase in young voter turnout since 1972. Over 20 million young people ages 18-29 case a ballot (42 million were eligible to vote), an increase of 4.3 million voters. This was a 9 point increase in turnout over 2000, more than double that of any other age group. In 2004, there were more voters under 30 years old than voters over 65 years old.

Less then a third of the eligble young voters turn out even in 2008

Nash incorrectly quotes Flatus post in order to make a point.

Fonda

There are enough of us Vietnam veterans around who view Ms Fonda's actions during her visit to North Vietnam as treasonous.

Treason is one of those crimes that I don't forgive.

It makes no difference that she is a fine actor.

Posted by: Flatus | April 3, 2008 4:16 PM

All this talk about endorsements and Carter made me think of a funny blog post over at No Quarter...

"Dispelling The Obama Moose Poop About Super Delegates"

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/02/dispelling-the-obama-moose-poop-about-super-delegates/

Nash's respose about vietnam reminds me of the young Obama supporter who are just sick of the old arguments.
For 24% of the voters Vietnam is ancient history they were born after the war.

Jack

I'm not sure we could have "won" Vietnam without playing to win. Even then, it was inane in think Ho Chi Min wanted to be a vassel of China. He was a former ally of the US and very nationalistic. I just don't think the dominos would have fallen, but the French convinced Ike that we had to stay. It was all about ideology. Chomsky has said we stayed to make sure Japan would steer West and other Leftists even claim we went their for oil. In any case, Vietnam was very different than Iraq. Nash is certainly right to point to incompetence in both, but that doesn't address the strategic difference between Saddam and Ho Chi Min. Our exit from Vietnam left millions dead as a consequence and a retreat from global leadership that Left Carter the only option of arming OBL instead of reversing the slide of American resolve.

How ironic that first issue of the Comminist Party newspaper proclaimed the US was their natural friend, They above all others had been an ally in two world wars and had never attacked them. History is full of blown chances. Islamic extremist are unfortunately a different pathology. They have a far different agenda than Ho Chi Min.

Given our less in infinite resources, we need to be much smarter in how we fight extremism. I suspect most Americans don't want another Carter or another Bush. Hillary perhaps? This was my logic from the start to build upon the Clinton referendum, not destroy it. A renewed move to center to bridge the void. I just don't see how Barak is this bridge and at this point how and why he beats McCain. There is nothing here that surprises me after Iowa and NH.

"Less then a third of the eligble young voters turn out even in 2008"

In 2004
18--24 yr old 46.5 % voted

Of those registered 81.2 %

http://www.census.gov/prod/2006pubs/p20-556.pdf

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

CITES: George Santayana, The Life of Reason or The Phases of Human Progress: Reason in Common Sense 284 (2nd ed., Charles Scribner's Sons, New York, New York 1924 (originally published 1905 )

What do you all think about the return of the draft, and how would you implement it in today's America?

Think it's an issue that should come up, because all of the country has to share sacrifice for this and any future wars.

It's terrible we have allowed our military and national guard (and contractors too) -- and only them -- to be in harm's way.

The census site you provide does not make up the statement you made

Age
The voting rate was higher among
the older citizen population than
the younger citizen population.
The rate for citizens 55 and older
was 72 percent in the 2004 presidential
election, compared with
47 percent among 18- to 24-yearold
citizens.
A key difference between these
age groups was registration. While
79 percent of citizens 55 years and
older were registered to vote in
2004, 58 percent of the younger
citizens were.4 Young adults, especially
people in their twenties, are
the most transient, which may lead
to lower levels of registration
because moving usually requires
re-registering.5
While young adults had the lowest
voting and registration rates in
2004, they had the largest increase
in both rates since the 2000 presidential
election compared with all
other age groups. The registration
rate for 18- to 24-year-old citizens
http://www.census.gov/prod/2006pubs/p20-556.pdf

Heather

Got your first reply...didn't get a reply to my reply...not sure if you sent a reply to my reply

;-)

hi Dog!

the Draft still instills terror in me and I was just a kid. But I can tell you, that if this is not solved very soon, our military will buckle and right after that our country.

So a draft may be all thats left if the republicans get the presidency again. afterall, occupation for an extended period of time will require so many more military than what we presently have.

Wonder if Warren still thinks Jake Tapper is such a great reporter. ABC News 4/3/08

"Last August, I ran into Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, outside the Senate chamber in the Capitol. We chatted for a second. . . .

. . . As any close friend or family member can attest, I have an unusually keen sense of smell and immediately I smelled cigarette smoke on Obama. Frankly, he reeked of cigarettes.

Obama ran off before I could ask him if he'd just snuck a smoke, so I called his campaign.

They denied it. He'd quit months before, in February, they insisted. . . . But I knew what I'd smelled and I asked his campaign to double-check and to ask him if he'd had a cigarette.

They reported back that he had told them he hadn't had a cigarette since he quit. . . .

Except…. last night on MSNBC's Hardball, Obama admitted that his attempt to wean himself from the vile tobacco weed had not been entirely successful.

“I fell off the wagon a couple times during the course of it, and then was able to get back on," he said."But it is a struggle like everything else.”

Now I wonder about last August.

It's not a big deal in the scheme of things -- the war on Iraq, a major economic crisis -- indeed, it's miniscule. Hardly worth mentioning.

Except that I don't like feeling that I wasn't being dealt with honestly. And as much as citizens who are suspect of the media might scoff at such a notion, many of us consider ourselves to be your representatives to help make sure our leaders are telling us the truth, and leading the country down a path we're confident is the right one. (Corny, I know.)"

Good article - from across the Pond!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/apr/03/barackobama.uselections2008

If a draft is put into place, and I have thought about this, I will do all in my power to keep my children from going to war.

The one point that I have heard in the past, is that a country of our size, should not have any trouble manning an military force. They just have to make it more desirable through GI incentives and benefits.

KGC:

I have always thought J. Tapper is a tool (or at least in the tank for HRC). Just ask Wendy....

Burrito,

Putting food in yours and your family's mouth is too. Why do you think the job losses aren't a priority for the republicans....nothing like an al volunteer force.

Plus - I think smoking is cool!!!

(just kidding ; )

Burrito,

Besides that is part of the problem. As long as our citizens don't have to sacrifise for the war, the war will continue....

So just give more incentives to the more unfortunate and your children are safe from a war? Not trying to make you or anyone feel bad, just wanting to make that point before it slides by silently.

Many people think that way wihtout thinking the whole thought through. What is wrong with a country if a mother like yourself has to think that way?

The Warrior and the Eloquent Fool

"US News has a very important and extremely enlightening article about the strength of the respective candidacies of Hillary and Obama. While no one can deny that Obama has carried more states, his actual strength in many of the states has been very concentrated, not widespread as the campaign would have you believe. Michaeal Barone states that Obama Appeals to Academics and Clinton Appeals to Jacksonians. And yes, the title speaks for itself. Obama’s support is largely concentrated in areas where among other things he has vast African American support. While Hillary’s support is more widespread across the country.

Obama is of course the Academic.

Like Stevenson, he speaks fluently and often eloquently but does not exude a sense of command. He is an interlocutor, not a fighter.

And Hillary is obviously the Warrior.

In contrast to Obama, Clinton has given herself the image of a fighter. And it’s not entirely inauthentic. Against very unfavorable odds, she is continuing to campaign and to insist—and for Jacksonians, this is among the most admirable of qualities—that she is not a quitter.

That’s our gal. She never gives up, never gives in. She projects strength and seasoned experience. Exactly the qualities we need in our President. And Barone agrees, he believes that because Hillary is a warrior she stands a very good chance of getting the popular vote, with or without Michigan and Florida."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/03/the-warrior-and-the-eloquent-fool/

Nash

I chose my words carefully. I said I thought her acts in North Vietnam were treasonous. I did not attack her for any of the free speech actions she took part in within our country.

Don't put words in my mouth or thoughts in my head.

Shelia, I don't seriously think Carter will personally guide Obama. His endorsement is just symbolic. I have pointed to Obama's more Liberal approach, the similarity of their Dignified Foreign Policy, the advisors (including Obama's hand-picking of human right advocate Powers) and the reflection of Carter's more recent pro-Palestinian sentiment underscored by Obama's mentors and associations. These are the things that give the Carter comparison wind, not Carter's actual endorsement. I am not sure that Obama can convince America he means what he says as he pvots to center given the problems that increase daily. The long list I have put out there is something Carter did not have on his back and Carter was a white southern peanut farmer with a Navy background. He did flip-flop that much and would never remain at the Trinity, nor sign letters for a Rezko. As some have said, like him or not, Carter was fairly honest and principled, or at least nejoyed that perception. Carter did not call himself a professor when he was not. I don't want to get into that here, but certainly Carter's mere endorsement is NOT why the claims will come. Obama has done that all by himself without any support from Carter.

Just a thought.

KGC...

I'm neither here nor there with smoking. So I won't judge Obama's sincerity or struggles with quitting. But I will bet my bank account that you'll be seeing lots of this photo in the GE ad campaign with RNC soft money and 527s. McCain's campaign, itself, won't touch it directly of course. But....

The ciggie will only be the ostensible excuse for running it, if Obama's veracity about quitting becomes an issue. But the real reason they'll use it will be to send America the subliminal and racist message that they shouldn't elect a "Negro streetcorner hustler" to be their president. And the message will resound with lots of ignorant voters.

Just watch and wait. It's gonna happen. And no matter what Obama's supporters think, like it or not, White America will not elect the man in this image to be their president.

http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/windowslivewritersmokeemifyougotem-12634obama-smoking2.png

I have to say I have family in the military, and history of elder family members that served in the military, I have two dear friends in Iraq now, one station in Japan, and two killed so far.

I understand the idea about a draft making politicians more accountable, and I agree with that. If we had a draft maybe we would not be where we are now.

Flip side, if our Government is responsible about conflicts, and provides well for those who choose to serve - all the better and I believe that the military would regain it's respect as a career choice.

Everything is wrong with a country when a mother thinks like I do...

I have posted before, about the country on a whole , not respecting this current war, most nights on TV it isn't even covered. I feel deeply for the proud soldiers who have said , they do not feel the support from their homeland. we sit around and bitch about someone tax returns while they are getting blown up because of our Government.

Sheila's email to friends: "I'm confused, some on the blog seem to not like Carter and I thought he was an elder statesman for the Democratic Party with many admirers"

Sheila -- I actually do see Jimmy Carter as an elder statesman. And I repeat -- I loved him and still do. My sister was an early Carter campaigner, Carter delegate, went to the whole deal, convention, inauguration, et al.

But he came to Washington with no understanding of how things worked, and with many enemies within (and without) his own party. The truth is, two of his biggest enemies were Tip O'Neill and Robert Byrd. They often sandbagged him. In some ways, Carter made the mistakes that Hillary made when she worked out her health care plan -- she didn't play politics and they crucified her for it.

So I don't blame Carter's heart or brain for the failure of his administration -- I blame his lack of Washington experience.

And regarding what your one friend said, I do think that Ford and Carter were two of the best "people" we have had in office.

Burrito,

Well said. Well said.

And not for an instant do i think that there will be another draft, because WE, the DEMS are going to get into office, pull up the sleeves and get dirty to solve this.

The draft is as close as another republican President though.

Sheila,

There are so many admirable things Mr Carter has done during his life. He is truly a hero.

That said, I spent much of my time trying to protect sources and methods that his executive orders had effectively put at risk, and in some cases, lethal peril.

I worry constantly over the men and women serving our country across our dangerous world. We just have to have confidence that your son's training and fellow soldiers will keep all in his unit safe until they return.

I agree Patsi,

I think we both aggree.

"Clinton has given herself the image of a fighter. And it’s not entirely inauthentic. Against very unfavorable odds, she is continuing to campaign and to insist—and for Jacksonians, this is among the most admirable of qualities—that she is not a quitter. "

Gordo, I have not read most of your rants....but I do agree with this. I am one who wants a fighter. And I mean a tough fighter. I don't want to hold hands with Repugs. I want somebody to answer for the last eight years -- and I don't even mean Iraq in particular. I mean all the pro-business, anti-American worker deals that Bush struck under the radar. I don't think Obama will go after those.

But he's still better than McCain....

Anyone get the feeling that the politicians are liking all this attention, especially the super delegates ?

Before this year, I do not think the majority of voters even knew super delegates existed.

Sheila...did I miss the post where you reconciled your Jimmy Carter tributes with your previously stated claim that you voted for Ronald Reagan? Or did you just vote for Reagan in the 1984 re-elect?

Carter is a member of the "Brezenski Gang" - don't need to know any more!

Did anyone see "the race for the white house " tonight? Or whatever that show is called - I thought that H Ford Jr. was making an indirect case to be considered as Clinton's running mate....it seemed a little odd to me.

Lard,

I was 18 and he was a movie star and my dad was taken with him too. So i voted for him. First year in the Navy too. ;0)

BUT! i can say that as a person who tends to pay attention to injustice, I was really paying attention to the marked increase in homelessness during his first four and never ended up voting for a republican again. that is the truth.

As far as Carter. A few here got a bit overtaken with demonizing the thought of Obama "Becoming another Carter" and I said I was confused. So I wrote to some other party faithful that I know to get their opinions.

I am with FLATUS, having seen very clearly seeing the sturggles the military had with Carter and thought that my perspective could have been very colored.

So I asked. I think Carter got a raw deal on some and got many other issues right before his time.

"Obama ran off before I could ask him if he'd just snuck a smoke, so I called his campaign.
They denied it. He'd quit months before, in February, they insisted. . . . But I knew what I'd smelled and I asked his campaign to double-check and to ask him if he'd had a cigarette."

Oh, somebody lock me up now. If being a smoker is a national crime then it's three strikes (of the match) and I'm out. I smoke. I'm sure I smell like smoke. Thank God Mr. Tapper isn't sniffing around me.

If being a smoker is the worst Obama is about, then I say elect him tomorrow.

Jane Fonda is hated by vets but she at least tried to get the war to end.She may have went about it in the wrong way.She didn't have to do anything.She could have stayed in Hollywood making money,but she felt strongly that our soldiers should be brought home.Our government didn't care the same way they don't care now.They don't have their families getting killed and maimed.Going to North Viet Nam was a mistake,but I think her heart was in right place.

And about Carter.He tried to get our hostages rescued but something happened and I believe the Republicans had something to do with it because the same time Reagan was taking oath of office the hostages were released.I believe that was the arms for hostages deal that was investigated.So if it hadn't been for this funny business and Old Teddy boy Kennedy ,Cartes would have probably been reelected

Burrito -- I watched Harold and didn't get that he was shilling for the VP gig --- but Hillary could sure do worse.

PS -- EuroTom -- I have a great postcard that I designed and sent out hundreds for Harold during his senate campaign -- if I email it to you could you put it somewhere on your blog for a few days so Flatus and some other Harold fans could see? I think they'd get a kick out of it.

Jake Tapper is an ass and the piece is typical. Just one more example of why the main stream media should be given no credibility at all.

They suck 7 days a week.

Tapper has written the same kind of crap about the Clinton's only more so

Failing to see the political media and their role is failing to recognize the true enemy.

Okay. Thanks Sheila. That helps me understand you better. So back in 1980, you basically went for the messianic hero Reagan who was bamboozling the media and ended up ruining America, as far as most Democrats are concerned.

Stupidly, in that same year, I actually cast my first-ever presidential VOTE for Jimmy Carter. And I've spent a lot of time defending Carter in barrooms, living rooms and meeting rooms ever since. But even given all that, I have to say...my actual VOTE for him back in 1980 is what mattered most.

I just think it's a bit rich that you are casting yourself as his great defender today, when you didn't support him at all back when it mattered most.

LOL. :)

Patsi

Tapper's piece is only slightly about smoking. Instead he is building the case that Obama is a liar.

true Patsi

Did you hear Ford make the un-patriotic point, as a point of weakness for BHO, while Ford, himself, never shows up without his flag on his lapel.

I sensed a bit of a dig there, but maybe I was too wound up at the moment.

Up thread or yesterday someone suggested the "other side" might portray Obama as"Stepnfetchit"

I think Lardass Liberals suggestion is more likely the truth, "But the real reason they'll use it will be to send America the subliminal and racist message that they shouldn't elect a "Negro streetcorner hustler" to be their president. And the message will resound with lots of ignorant voters."

I don't know the best way to send Tapper a message but someone should.

Patsi, KGC...

Laugh all you want about "smoking" as an issue. But what you're seeing with the Tapper piece is the nascence of an entree into allowing 527s and RNC soft-money sources to run the Obama ciggie-hanging-cynically-out-of-mouth-photo in an ad.

I've got framed photos on my wall of FDR with his dainty cigarette holder, and JFK puffing pensively on a cigar...but this is different. That photo kills Obama, if it can be used in a national TV Ad. It would be the equivalent of a photo of Bill Clinton smearing chicken-wing grease off his lips while he ogled a Hooters Girl, back in 1992.

But luckily for Clinton, such a photo did not exist at that time.

Lardass: oh no! I might be one election older than you! Voted for Gerald Ford in 1976 and John Anderson in 1980 (stupidly not realizing a vote for the third party was a vote for Ronald Reagan; would vote for Carter if had a do-over). To this day proud of vote for Ford -- he was an honorable man and good president in a difficult time.

But recall: Carter had so much bad luck in office, was pilloried for incompetence that would be a sheer relief today (vs. criminal incompetence of Bush - Gonzalez - Rumsfeld - Yoo -Cheney admin.), and NIghtline got its start with "day 54" of the Iranian hostage drama.

So go lightly on Chef Sheila.

PS: agree with Patsi that Carter needed to adapt better to Washington -- hindsight says have advisors skilled in DC ways too -- but that is NOT a reason to vote for HRC, because BHO would do just as well.

Look at how savvily he has run his campaign. Not a babe in the woods, and everyone learned from Carter's misfortunes.

LardassLiberal -

Bill Clinton thanks God every night that when he was younger there was no You-Tube or video cameras on cell phones.

WTF ,
what statement ?
I've been mouthing off all afternoon.
You gotta give me a clue.

Jack

And I think Geraldine Farrarro was right about the fact that if Obama wasn't black he wouldn't be where he is now.Do you really think that if he was an unknown young white man he would have even been considered.Look at all the other white men that were running.They couldn't buy a vote but the media fell in love with the fact that an African American could run for president.And if Obama and the media hadn't pushed the race card Hillary would have run away with the nomination.And if Obama was white do you think all the AA would be voting for him.I don't think so.They would have stuck with Clinton.So when Geraldine said being black was an advantage at this time she was right..And it was not racial like the media paints it.
Ruth

I just think it's a bit rich that you are casting yourself as his great defender today, when you didn't support him at all back when it mattered most.

LOL. :)

Posted by: LardassLiberal | April 3, 2008 8:09 PM

And I think its a bit rich that you are in fact vilifying an 18 year old naive girl for voting....someone who was in completely diferent culture than you as I am from many generations of military......and of course you are soooo narrow minded and arrogant, well read between the lines.

You know, Carter has been one of my heros. I didn't like the demoniszing that he was recieving by some here.

Earlier when YOU wern't here with your expertise, I was just trying to get some perspective from some old party faithful and I thought what they wrote me was worth sharing.

So thanks for slapping my face Lard. Thank you very much.

UnlikelyB, I totally agree. That said...

Think about all the shitstorms the Ken Starrs and Newt Gingriches of the world were able to stir up about Slick Willie -- and that was all WITHOUT much photo or video support. And even with Hillary, the main photo mockery of her involves shots of her looking haggard or annoyed, or her ever-changing hairstyles and debatable fashion choices over the years.

But none of that compares to a photo of a guy which will say to White America: Cross the street, whitey. I'm what you fear most.

Totally racist, of couse. But totally within what we've seen are the capabilities of the GOP.

Obama will be fish in a barrel. It's like the Willie Horton ad, except Horton can actually be the candidate...not just the guy the "dumb liberal" candidate let out of jail.

Alot of commentators say yes a woman can be elected president but not this woman.I feel the same way about Obama.Yes a black man can be elected president but this black man.
Ruth

bad bad Barack:

"Before Barack Obama was a United States senator and a presidential hopeful, he was a Harvard University law student living in Somerville who parked in bus stops and accumulated hundreds of dollars in parking tickets. And for nearly two decades those parking tickets went unpaid, until a representative of Obama’s settled all his outstanding debts with Cambridge’s Traffic, Parking and Transportation Department Jan. 26."

http://somervillenews.typepad.com/the_somerville_news/2007/03/obama_finally_p.html

ROFL

oops left out not

Well, that's fine Ruth. I guess we can all enjoy President McCain.

Dog my friend,

I have know Idea what you mean about go lightly unless you think I am a villain for voting for reagan too?

I have no right to defend Carter either? I am half an American because only good Americans get it right the first time and the first time only according to some here.

LardassLiberal,
It is indeed an unflattering photo. Have you seen the clip of Obama telling someone that "you're getting on my nerves bro" ?....I saw it on tv only once.

"BUT! i can say that as a person who tends to pay attention to injustice, I was really paying attention to the marked increase in homelessness during his first four and never ended up voting for a republican again. that is the truth. "

Well, good for you. And I have to say that my first vote was not a wise one. In 1968 I was so pissed atthe Democrats that I wrote in Barry Commoner.

Sheila...I didn't mean it as a personal slap. I like you better than to do that to you.

But I also respect you enough to call bullshit on you when you need it.

If you're going to gush about Jimmy Carter, please at least admit that you voted AGAINST him back in the day, when it mattered most, for whatever reason. I won't pass judgement on the reasons you had back then. I'll assume they were authentic.

"Did you hear Ford make the un-patriotic point, as a point of weakness for BHO, while Ford, himself, never shows up without his flag on his lapel."

I must have missed that one. I do think that in his heart of hearts, Harold supports Hillary though.

Jack -- I haven't seen the smoking picture. I do remember that people followed Jackie Kennedy around to make sure she wasn't photographed with a cig in hand....

Lard, Your wrong.

I have as much right to defend the man as you. I will never stop in defending just because you or someone else thinks I'm wrong because I didn't vote for him.

I at least admit my mistake and had an open enough mind to build on my admiration of President Carter and be public about it.

Wendy!: have you ever lived in a city with really tight parking? Maybe you do now.

I got ticketed so much in downtown DC I eventually moved to the suburbs. We're talking being ticketed at (allegedly) 7:01 a.m. in front of my apartment building, where you would emerge at 7:02 and the tickteter would be nowhere in sight. And if you parked on a side street, your radio got knicked and your car window broken. (I lost 3 radios in 2 years; friends looking out their apt window spotted thieves with flashlights casing cars for preferred radios.) Got to where the police did not even want to see you personally to take a loss report. They just issued you a number for your insurance claim.

About 18 months later, the city manager issued an order to stop enforcing the parking restrictions so stringently. But I was already gone from the city.

Boston is apparently also a nightmare to park in.

Cost of doing business, or living in a desirable area.

By the way,

I'm calling you on your bull shit. lol Standing up for what is right, is the right thing to do.

You jumped the gun.

As for Bill Richardson and the Clintons - as the saying goes -

It is easier to forgive an enemy than to forgive a friend.

It's not that he got the tickets. It that he didn't pay the tickets until he ran for office.

Sheila...cool down.

All you had to do was remind us up front that you voted against Carter back when he was running, especially since you've made it no secret here that you were a Reagan supporter back in the 1980s.

I think the reasonable people on this board can accept that. All I'm saying is that you should have been the one to say it -- instead of having a "narrow-minded, arrogant" person such as Lardass Liberal point it out. But you didn't. So that's why I asked you to reconcile.

It's what you see on any given day, in any given article, described as "full disclosure." It's not personal.

Fair enough? Just relax.

Politicians believe they can get away with anything, as history has proven over and over again.

"...and of course you are soooo narrow minded and arrogant, "

Come on....Lard isn't narrow OR arrogant. He's funny as hell.

Some posts back LL makes a great case. (my rant of the night follows...sorry)

Black, more Liberal than Hillary, beset with Rezko, Wright and a host of other issues, the endorsements and advisors seem to doom Obama. Hell, I have never seen Republicans as happy as they are lately thinking they'll face him. And is one asking all Hillary supporters and Independents with real doubts to see McCain as Bush and vote their party line? It ain't gonna happen people. Believing won't make it so. If you think Bill has turned Democrats off, so has the Media turned of Cllinton supporters. Once again, Liberal over-reach is screwing the pooch. Unless Iraq blows up, the economy crashes or McCain dies choking on his own foot, Obama will lose. Those Red States will stay Red and McCain will likely win some Blue.

Now had Obama forseen this coming with better judgment, he would have acted a year or more ago to pivot center and disown the bullshit of his own creation, but he wanted to navigate as he always has around the center via his Left. Yes of course Chicago has the largest Palestinian population. Yes, Rezko came recommended and Wright is adored by many. But Obama should have predicted this mess and acted Presidential long ago instead of starting a Super Star color-blind campaign against Lincoln's backdrop somehow to vaildate his short record of achievement. Obama's rhetoric pales beside Lincoln's (and so does Hillary's). Had Obama played the centrist and embraced the middle, would he have won the internet Left? Would he have refuted those saying he wasn't black enough or Liberal enough? I don't know, but this way, he runs the risk of destroying the Party while losing and extending Republican control. Hillary bet McCain would win his nomination years ago. Did Obama bet on Romney?

I very much wanted the Democrats to bridge the gap and bring this country together. Obama's tact has divided things unnecessarily and diverted attention to race, lying, too Liberal an approach when the opposition IS McCAIN!!! It kills me to watch the Democrats do this over and over and over. It's like a bad dream. I turn on the TV and there it is. I listen to Maher and hear how God Damn America isn't really that bad, that MLK said the same thing. I listen to the ten opening minutes of Stewart and hear why McCain is too old to be President as Jon sniffs McCain's make-believe high school socks. Carter, Fonda, Ted, Casey, Richardson, on and on. . Okay, serenity now, serenity now.....

Wasn't Obama taking a huge risk by going gutter ballistic when he was down to Hillary? In my book, this mess is on his shoulders. You all can drink the Kool Aid, but I'll stick with mu Cranberry and Palmegranite juice.

Democrats are crapping in their historical moment and in my inexpert Independent view, Obama is leading the way. Curse me if you wish, but this is my Liberal side talking, not my conservative side. I don't even think I have a conservative side save my Jeffersonian sentiment and that was once called LIBERAL.

My dad who passed away last year served in WW2. He landed in Italy and ended up relaying secret documents to Eisenhowers HQ. His found liberating France the highlight of his youth. He hoped America did not unravel the sacrifice of blood and forget the realism about the world we were one willing to sacrificef or as a nation and even die for indivdually. He usually voted Democrat, but as the Senior Financial officer of DC later in his life, he was worried were Liberalism was wandering. He had to work with Mayor Barry (will he endorse Obama too?) He wasn't a war hero, but he was the unique mix of his generation -Liiberalism and toughness. He was proud to buried amoung veterans under the Palm Beach Sun. He was no lover of Fonda or Ted, but voted for JFK, FDR, Truman and Eisenhower. I wonder if the Democrats are purging his soul from the Party. That is why have taken this primary rather personally. It is indeed about the soul of the Party, not about race, or Iraq, but about the importance of the center, that we are a nation of conservatives and liberals working for our greater self-interest. Obama may have a case that he can unite the Further Left amd many Liberals. Hillary makes the case she can unite Liberals with moderate Republicans. If Obama wins the nomination, McCain can make the case he might best unite moderate Republicans with moderate Democrats. Maybe I'm wrong, but my heart tells me I'm right.

Dog

LOL - I've always lived in cities with tight parking. I too have gotten parking tickets...but I paid them...and not 17 years later paid them...I paid them in a timely fashion.

Anyway...I don't really care about his parking tickets. I just thought it was funny. I was trying to imagine the meeting where he says to someone...hey...I almost forgot...I have a bunch of unpaid parking tickets...if we want to get Teddy's endorsement...someone should go down and pay those. OR maybe Teddy called him and said...buddy I want to endorse you but I see you have all these unpaid parking tickets...

ROFL

Lard,

And i think you are wrong. What in the world makes it off limits for me to even discuss Carter when voting wasn't the position that was being discussed?

As a matter of fact, the point was being made that Obama was going to turn into Carter and it was being argued like it was a very bad thing.

Now I was just wanting to understand the point before I either threw the notion away or accepted that Carter was bad.....

So, Lardass Liberal, I got a good idea now. But, i will still be asking questions and sharing information no matter what you think.

if you've got a question about what I am writing, I think you should read the whole thread first next time.

Now I'm finished.

Actually most people feel they have to pay their tickets, it's the law, so they follow it and pay.

Can you imagine if the whole country started acting like politicians, and only following the laws that suited their life-styles?

Patsi...I don't mind if Sheila calls me names when she's pissed off at me for something or other. I know I can be annoying as hell. But I definitely won't back down if I think something needs to be said. I'm not into dysfunctional relationships, even if they're only abstract, online meta-relationships. So hopefully, working through disagreements and unpleasantries like these with Sheila will only make our relationship stronger. Sheia? Do you agree?

testing

Wendy!: noted. You are a more admirable person. Suspect I might still be a parking ticket fugitive in DC.

Anyhoo: here's CNN on one of my favorite charities, kiva.org.

PLUS: this is one of Bill Clinton's favorites too. Believe he wrote about it in his most recent book? (Or an urban legend? Anyway, it's the best $25 or more you will ever spend. Way more fun than paying **$$%% parking tickets.)

"Premal Shah founded Kiva three years ago. The Web site posts profiles of entrepreneurs from 80 countries looking to start a business. Visitors can click through the pictures and personal stories to choose the business they want to fund, whether it's a dairy farmer in Bolivia or a young woman in Peru who wants to open a grocery store.

The entrepreneur generally repays the loan within six months to a year, the company says. During repayment, investors can see individual progress reports as they are posted to the site."

www.kiva.org

CNN: For $25 you can start a business, change a life

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/04/03/microfinance/index.html

Only if you kiss my butt too babe..... lol

Sorry Sheila. Butt-kissing is not part of the package.

" I paid them...and not 17 years later paid them...I paid them in a timely fashion."

What this episode tells me is that the Mighty "O" doesn't think he has the same rules as everybody else.

to the outsid observer : Headline reads :

Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun and Lardass Liberal seen kissing butt.

"Well, that's fine Ruth. I guess we can all enjoy President McCain. "

Dog -- how can you question what Ruth said and ignore the fact that Obama supporters say the same about Hillary EVERY day?

The double standard is staggering.

Max, the last paragraph of your 8:56 rant is good, really good.

" in my inexpert Independent view, "

See, Max -- this is why I take what you say and what Warren says with a grain of asbestos: you are indies. You have no party loyalties. Next time around you may be backing a Rethug. And "you people" want us to SHUT-THE-F-UP and get out of your way? The Dems are doomed if either of you are what we pin our "hope" on....

"What this episode tells me is that the Mighty "O" doesn't think he has the same rules as everybody else."

Well...given the way the media treats him...he kind of doesn't.

:-/

Maxtrue - "Hillary makes the case she can unite Liberals with moderate Republicans. If Obama wins the nomination, McCain can make the case he might best unite moderate Republicans with moderate Democrats."

I think that is right. I think if Obama wins the nomination, he has little chance of winning the GE. But there a lot of time between now and then, and VPs have not been picked, so we will see.

"That is why have taken this primary rather personally. It is indeed about the soul of the Party, not about race, or Iraq, but about the importance of the center, that we are a nation of conservatives and liberals working for our greater self-interest."

Max...well said!

Ok...I admit, it could be a bit jarring for both of us, so a make believe kiss on the cheek as a makeup gesture will make our relationship stronger. ;0)

I'm going to bed now. the last two weeks of Palm Beach from Hell Ahead and then home. Thank goodness.

What an evening I had. My apartment key broke in two. I was locked out without my wallet. I did have my car keys and my cellphone. I couldn't get a replacement key made because the break in my key wasn't clean. I had a key made at Ace Hardware , but it didn't work. I was finally able to get a maintenance guy to unlock my door. he suggested that I have a new lock put on my door. What a headache!

Corey, y

Your story could have read, "....My apartment was broken into, and I lost my wallet and keys. My car was taken and my cellphone, too..."

Now, isn't life great!?!

"Max, the last paragraph of your 8:56 rant is good, really good."

Yes, by the way....I do agree that the "new Democrats" are trying to bury the old base of the party.

Elvin Bishop : Travelin' shoes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn43E7GXHwY

Jack

"You have no party loyalties. Next time around you may be backing a Rethug"

Patsi, I'm one of them as well though I do consider myself a Democrat. I just happen to be a Democrat from 40 years ago which does not have a lot in common with the far left wing. There was a space where I considered the Repugs but their far right wing scares the beejesus out of me.

About all that us old Dems now moderates can do is go Independent. That usually means Dem at the national level but Congress can be a whole different matter. I honestly have trouble this year simply because I can't see my way to vote for either Obama or McCain.

Not a wonderful election for me if Sen. Clinton isn't on the ticket.

Dog

Thanks for the KIVA link. I did a short blog article and I'll put them on my side bar as a permanent link later.

Lard: "But I definitely won't back down if I think something needs to be said. I'm not into dysfunctional relationships, even if they're only abstract, online meta-relationships."

That's why we luv ya, Lard!

Lard: "Sorry Sheila. Butt-kissing is not part of the package."

And that's another reason.

Jerry Jeff Walker ; Mr Bogangles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p_seCs6iGw

"About all that us old Dems now moderates can do is go Independent. That usually means Dem at the national level but Congress can be a whole different matter."

Jamie -- I'll tell you what I told my Republican sister when she got so disgusted with the Repubs and the religious fundamentalism it was displaying the past few years. She said she didn't know what to do, maybe not be a member of any party. Or, she said, register Democrat although she disagreed on many things. I told her to stay with her party and fight like hell for it. She and her late husband were respected in the local party. And I think she's better off coming out swinging.

Just in case you were too young or not yet born

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbUtL_0vAJk

I Have A Dream Speech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPYNb4ex6Ko

RFK announcing death of MLK

More Jerry Jeff

Up against the wall redneck mother.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYQevzz3aRM

Elvis Presley-Heartbreak Hotel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPjEFvr4-_A

Jack

Hope you don't like Salmon. Fishing is likely to be shut down for most of the west coast for at least two years in hopes of restoring populations.

Between pollution and over fishing, the salmon are disappearing in most of their habitats.

Sammy doing the same song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-5bkCkQ3V0

The night I saw him in the round, there were signs saying "no cameras". When he did this number, he said ... "All of you people who snuck in cameras please come down by the stage. I don't want to end up looking like a tootsie roll"

People filled the aisles and around the stage and as he struck the final pose he froze in the spotlight for a whole revolution of the theater in the round stage so that everyone could get their picture.

PURE PRAIRIE LEAGUE / I'LL FIX YOUR FLAT TIRE,MERLE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXqHZk19owc

Jack

I like his cover of it too.

I found it interesting how many covers of bogangles there are on youtube from very good ones to just plain bad. lol
Jack

About the most exciting convention I remember is the 1952 one when Estes Kefauver from Tennessee was trying to get the nomination. I still remember listening to him on the radio, in the middle of the night, singing the Tennessee Waltz while Truman was working behind the scenes to take the nomination away from him. High drama! And a few years before we had our first 12-inch black and white TV.

Jack,

When Heartbreak Hotel came out, juke boxes still played 78 speed versions of songs. A friend of my family whose job was loading the machines gave me the record. I try not to think how much that record would be worth today since I sat on it 54 years ago. :-)

52 years .... :-)

Trivia Time

Without clicking the link first (for those who remember what a "B Side" was), what was the B Side to Heartbreak Hotel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egb21Pujd5o

Shelia, I'm sorry. I know you are sincere am my fortune protect what you hold dear.

Flatus thanks, at my dad's funeral. I said something to this effect, but better. Maybe one day I'll have the strength to post it. I hadn't really admitted to myself what he had imprinted in me until after he departed. My Grandfather was a German POW for more than two years and his reflection on war and peace was that being captured saved his life --from the plague. Some say an inadvertent WMD that changed the course of history.

Pats, that's why I became an Indepndent. Oh, and by the way Maher said nothing really as Travis Smiley implied that LBJ had MLK killed after he came out against the Vietnam war. I simply cannot be a part of that. New Democrat was what Bill was trying to bring about. This is neoLiberalism or smart people acting like idiots as though that was cool. .

Wendy, the pictures are 1. birds of a feather flock together especially when its very cold, yes? and 2. this is custer's last stand, yes?

Buritto, if you're really Latin, you should be proud. Hispanics have by and large stood by their girl. In NYC illegals have stood by Hillary as their LIberal Obama employers exploit them. Ironic, yes? Give em some drivers licenses eh amigo? That that's the ticket. You can't beat a $500 per week illegal Latino. No one works harder with a smile. NYC would shut down without them.

Shelia, I'm sorry. I know you are sincere and may fortune protect what you hold dear.

God put spell check here....

This is why Obama would lose the GE:

"Pennsylvania Crowd Says It Doesn’t Trust Obama: ‘President Named Barack'

PHILADELPHIA—“We need her,” Barbara Vizzini, a 46-year-old equipment operator from Middletown, said before Hillary Clinton took the stage at a rally in Fairless Hills Monday night. “If we don’t get her, we’re going to end up with John McCain."

What about Barack Obama? Why couldn’t he beat the Republican nominee?

“The race thing,” interjected her colleague Daniel Kirner, 52, from Tullytown.

By the end, some of the people in the crowd found it frankly inconceivable that she could lose to Mr. Obama.

“She’s got this one locked,” said Mary Yates, a 67-year-old retired worker in a chemical factory. “No Muslim is going to be president. No drug addict. If Hillary isn’t the one, everyone I know will vote for John McCain."

For Mike Tangradi, a 44-year-old union representative, “Any way we get her in, we’re better off.” He said he didn’t trust Mr. Obama’s eloquence, and considered it a cloak for his weakness on the issues. The longer Mrs. Clinton ran, he said, the more time Mr. Obama would have to stumble. “This is about the working people of America, like me,” he said. “She’s the better leader for us.”

http://www.observer.com/2008/gonna-fly-now-clinton-runs-rocky-philly

"most exciting convention I remember is the 1952"

Sheesh Flatus. I just celebrated the 36th anniversary of my 36th birthday .... but you are down right OLD!! :-)

The earliest convention I remember is 1956 and Adlai Stevenson.

Oh and Pats. I became an Independent as a warning to Democrats. I have never actually voted for a Republican in my life. I am so stressed about Obama v McCain I may not vote at all rather than to break my voting record. I may vote for McCain. That does not mean I don't have a Democratic heart as my posts over at Stubborn Facts will reveal. It may be in the best interests of the Democrats for Obama to lose rather than a failed adminstration give rise to another Reagan (not that he wasn't a decent President). I am loyal to principle not pretenders or the neoLiberal bullshit. I'll return when sanity returns. If you don't think my rants reveal that, what can I say? Have I every rejected the social Liberal slant? I rejected the dogs that Dean has let in. Tell me. would a merc spend as much time supporting Hillary? Do you get it now? I think I speak for some of the Democratic soul here, not Republicans.

Louie Armstrong - What a wonderful world.

At least in this country we are free to vote as we wish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnRqYMTpXHc&feature=related

Julie

Wow! Gordo

That is one whale of a mix of stupidity and reason. It's amazing they are supporting the same person.

There are times when I doubt that

Stupid is permanent
Ignorance is curable

Let's hope all the people in your example were just ignorant.

Patsi:

A "grain of asbestos"?! Now my feelings are hurt....

OK - I'm over it. And I don't see why my views should be discounted because I am registered as an Independent. At the end of the day - we are all Americans....right?

(what do I know anyways... ; )

Max, I understand what you are saying. Just don't say it on behalf of the party. Because you are an Independent, not a Democrat. And believe me, I do understand getting fed up with the party.

Right now, there's a part of me wishing both parties would split into two. (And I mean officially, a four party system with different primaries.)

Republicans: The right wing & religious fundies, V. the Rockefeller Repubs, like my sister.

Democrats: The self-professed progressive blog types like Josh Marshall and Kos, "elite" latte liberals V. the working class and old line rest of us.

And in that mix, there would be four people on the ballot for the presidential election:

Hillary Clinton: Democratic Party
Barack Obama: Progressive Party
Mike Huckabee: Fundamentalist Party
John McCain: Republican Party

Who do you think would win?

I remember a bulletin being read on television the evening of forty years ago. I lived close enough to Detroit in 1967 to pay attention to the bloody riots there that year.
After Dr. King was murdered , and the cities broke out into more fire and bullets, I wondered what kind of a world was out there for my generation. Vietnam raging, a presidential administration about to crumble, and I was wondering not if, but when, the draft board was going to snatch me.
It's amazing , the strides African Americans have made since Dr. King was taken from all of us.
There are still miles to go before the march to freedom and equality ends.
How nice it would be to see a grey haired Dr. MLK , age 79, preach one more sermon.
I only saw him "live" on television, and a friend of mine , as a kid, marched withe Dr. King in Selma.
My memories live on, though, stronger today, as we mark the 40th anniversary of his murder at The Lorraine Motel in Memphis , TN.

Morning y´all...

Nowhere can I find the endorsement of the Hoosiers for Hillary...No CNN, No FOX ,No MSNBC..
It was however mentioned on Dutch TV last night

Getting really sick of this. I am ready to throw the towel in the ring.....Let the messiah be the nominee, this black man is tired of this biased media. It is not even fun anymomre. And I mean it.

Sorry guys, I said it once, I will say it again. I cannot vote for McCain. But will never vote for BO. In the GE I am gonna sit this one out!

ANGRY is my middle name today!

Come on, ladies. I want an answer. Why is this acceptable?

Okay. No answer. I didn't think so.

"Patsi said: Okay. No answer. I didn't think so."

Patsi...It's the middle of the night for most of C-list's posters, so don't you think the above comment is a bit specious? You try to command people to answer an angry question at 1:58, then 12 minutes later...in the middle of the night...declare that no one is willing to respond. How silly. For a bright woman, I think you've skipped putting on your thinking cap for this one.

"But the real reason they'll use it will be to send America the subliminal and racist message that they shouldn't elect a "Negro streetcorner hustler" to be their president.

Show me the money!

And now I'll post on what I'm really thinking about, and the reason I came to the list again at this late hour....

I've given a lot of thought to what Oregon Democrat and I were talking about last night...Jenny McCarthy's (and others') appearance last night on Larry King. I agreed with OD that Jenny's language and demeanor were over the top, and that vulgarity wouldn't further her cause. On further thought, I believe I'm wrong. I don't think her language or demeanor will make any difference in the long run. But the questions she's asking, and the issues she raises, will make ALL the difference! And she has every right and every reason to be mad as hell! What was taken from her...and what was taken from her son, Evan, along with countless other families and children...is unforgivable. The truth has been hidden for too long...and it's been hidden for political and financial reasons. The complicity of our government with the duplicity of big business MUST be stopped! God! What's a little anger and vulgarity in the face of the theft of your child's previously typically functioning brain? Try walking a mile in the shoes of the families of autistic children...or autistic adults, for that matter. Or...don't criticize what you cannot hope to understand....

Finally...FINALLY...some of the right questions regarding the autism epidemic are being asked. And some very brave people are at the forefront in asking. That Jenny McCarthy or Holly Peete or Toni Braxton are there is owed to their fame. I wish Bernie Rimland, who gave his life to this cause, were still living and at the forefront. If anyone ever deserved to be there, he does! I'm glad David Kirby is there. He's the one who exposed Bill Frist's middle of the night work to grant indemnity from product liability to vaccine manufacturers. And I'm glad Deirdre Imus is there. Childrens' health and environmental causes are her life's work.

Anyway...before you condemn Jenny McCarthy, or declare that she did nothing to help her cause last night, be grateful that you have no cause to know who Julie Gerberding or Paul Offit or even David Tayloe are. David Tayloe is the soft-spoken doctor who kept saying he'd never referred a case to the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program system. He's the newly elected president of the American Association of Pediatricians. And he's the son of Dr. David Tayloe, Sr., who lost the largest medical malpractice suit in NC history...$3.5 million...for negligent administration of a second DPT vaccine to a little boy who was sick, and who had already had an adverse reaction to his first DPT vaccine. That case was part of the reason the NVICP was established in the first place. Full disclosure of that information would be nice for the general public to have as they listen to programs like the one Larry King aired last night. But we rarely get full disclosure. The ties between the media outlets and the pharmaceuticals are just too strong.

Earlier this week I took my Hillary sign and went to Clear Channel in Portland.

With Randi Rhodes vile,disgusting rant...very consistent with her tasteless program..

Rhodes is stupid, crude, rude to listeners, and often appears under theinfluence of something when on the
air.

Air America was a good idea,but has become just another gathering of crackpot talk.

I like Jenny McCarthy and she can say whatever she wishes and however she wishes to say it as far as I'm concerned......I only wish more people were more angry about autism.......

autism and pharmaceutical companies that is.

I realize you guys are discussing a serious topic, but I just got home from Yankee Stadium and need to say, "What a game!!!" before I trundle off to bed.

HW,

Hard to disagree with anything you've said regarding the autism conspiracy, and the heartache that condition is causing innocent families everywhere.

Good night for awhile.

the first joke I remember ever having heard.....

Why did Truman shoot his dog?

He stepped on the dog's tail and the dog said, "Ike".

I have to say, I always get energized when I read the blogs on Hillaryclinton.com.
Never seen so many spirited individuals together.
Never yelling, cursing or whatever..
It is uplifting..

Anyway, I think I will go everytime so my anger gets turned into optimism

Question to all:
Hypothetically speaking:
If Hillary wins let us say 8 of the last 10, FL en MI get seated and she wins the popular vote....what is the situation then with SD´s?

Sorry, if I ask too much stupid questions y´all..:))

But be fair to me...I am the baby in the group... LOL

black and white still shot slide show of Jean Luc Goddard and Francois Truffaut....

http://www.newyorker.com/online/2008/04/07/slideshow_080407_godard?slide=1#showHeader

Jason......who knows? I damn sure don't.....

godard with one "d"......rats.........

I dont think Ms Fonda is one of the brightest bulbs on the tree, so to speak.......but what she did back then still resonates with both sides......some hate her and some think she was "right on" . regardless......doesnt anyone remember the flak caused when the picture surfaced of Kerry in the same frame (real picture or not) as Jane in the 04 race? What kind of endorsement is she offering, exactly? It's really stupid of her to think her "endorsement" carries any weight except negative.....I mean, the left would support Obama anyway, but the right will use it ad infinitum, ad nauseum....and over and over too........like constantly.....and those who dont actually remember her will have their education about her completed by the HannityLimboO'Reilly combine.........

Hanoi Jane they call her.

Good morning Sturg,

Its really very benign. A clip of a camera crew for an entertainment outlet at a premier of something.

they yelled, "Jane who are you voting for." She yelled back, "I'm voting for Obama!"

That is the clip. I believe she fell for it and now it will have legs untl Obama knock that one down.

But like my friends say, "Let it All Come Now", then right after the convention. That will be hard enough for either of them. Lets get this over wtih

hmmmmm.....Mark Penn needs to leave the Clinton campaign.....This looks bad enough to put her in an akward position.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120726769569388303.html?mod=hps_us_whats_news

Clinton Aide Met on Trade Deal
Penn Held Talks
On Colombia Pact
Opposed by Senator

By SUSAN DAVIS
April 4, 2008; Page A3

Hillary Clinton's chief campaign strategist met with Colombia's ambassador to the U.S. on Monday to discuss a bilateral free-trade agreement, a pact the presidential candidate opposes.

Attendance by the adviser, Mark Penn, was confirmed by two Colombian officials. He wasn't there in his campaign role, but in his separate job as chief executive of Burson-Marsteller Worldwide, an international communications and lobbying firm. The firm has a contract with the South American nation to promote congressional approval of the trade deal, among other things, according to filings with the Justice Department. (Please see related article.)

well......that certainly is more benign than an "endorsement"....I guess we'll see what happens......but still she ought to know what a live wire topic she is and be prepared for such things......she had to have seen how they used her in 04........
but what the hell.......quien sabe.......

I know.....But she is the type that says what she thinks. She's always been that way.

Its a free country and I think most understand that Obama can't be held responsible for the mistakes or bad judgements or even the triumphs of everyone that votes for him.

Just rediculous......of course tabloids can and will try something for money.

April is a momentuous month!
Sheila

Hillary And Obama To Debate In North Carolina

By Eric Kleefeld - April 3, 2008, 2:44PM

Get ready for Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama to debate in North Carolina. The Hillary campaign just announced via press release that she's accepted an invitation to debate in the state on April 27, on CBS.

Obama had previously challenged her to a North Carolina CBS debate, at the same time as he accepted her challenge to meet in Philadelphia, but apparently it was held up until the proposed meeting could be rescheduled. The new date would put the debate after the Pennsylvania primary, with Hillary likely to have just won a big contest and be heading into the debate with some momentum

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