Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

After watching the video of Obama this morning on MoJo speaking Sunday night, he looks even more arrogant, elitist, and cocky than he did in the original video. I hope the MSM plays this all day long.

Good Morning Craig, Everyone:

This is going to be a big week for me and I am looking forward to it although with ambivalent feelings of a new era for American Catholicism and it will be extremely fascinating how the backdrop of Pope Benedict XVI's visit will interact with the Presidential Candidates and the effect it will have.

I plan on being in NYC with my daughter during his visit to to NYC and also for the Yankee Stadium Mass. I wish I could have be at my alma mater for his impending visit there.

I have so much to say but will sound off later especially about the Catholic School Teachers will be on strike during the Pope's visit to New York

more later...

--Heather

"After watching the video of Obama this morning on MoJo speaking Sunday night, he looks even more arrogant, elitist, and cocky than he did in the original video."

I agree. He was jaw-droppingly arrogant.

Heather are you also Catholic?
I was at this years palm sunday mass in Rome. It was amazing.....Good to see it at least once in your lifetime.

You just gotta love Obama. I think as this goes on, the more the true colors will shine through. If he loses PA big, look for him to sharpen his blows.
You know what they say: "NECESSITY IS THE MOTHER OF INVENTION"

Holla......

With eight days to go before their next ballot showdown, the Democratic presidential rivals are getting personal, hurling insults back and forth like schoolyard kids.
---CC
they must be taking notes from the crawfordslist comment section.

I feel sorry for you , Sturge. LOL!

Still,
It is amazing if you read comments from the different sites from the candidates.
The harshness that comes from the BO website and the niceness coming from HRC´s. The difference between the supporters of the two is striking......

In the weekend I was at the pub and got blasted for being an HRC supporter. It is difficult as a black man to not support a brither, but a white woman... I said wake up people..We in 2009, it is not about colour or gender, it is about BEING! They didn´t get it though....

However we still HRC dedidacted....

Rise Hillary Rise....

By the way , I was at work earlier this morning and our fire alarm went off. I think the time was about 12:40 a.m. I thought to myself "Why are they having a fire drill at this time of night?" We walked out to the parking lot. It was cold and I didn't have my coat because it was not anywhere near me when the fire alarm went off. While we were standing outside in the cold we were told this was NOT a fire drill. There WAS a fire in the building. The fire department was on it's way. We could not enter the building until the fire department told us it was safe. It turned out that a machine on the east side of our building caught on fire. Some of us waited in cars in the parking lot during this time , the smokers took advantage of the extra smoke break. The fire was put out and we were allowed to go back into the building after 30 minutes of being outside. The fire wasn't anywhere near where I work , it was on the other side of the building.

Corey -- glad the fire wasn't in your section!

I was just watching Morning Joe and I was wondering when David
Axelrod would pop up to clean up Obama's messy chat at the San
Fran fund raiser. Sure enough, Obama's hit man is on the show.
Axelrod is so savvy, he scares me. Does anyone wonder who is really
running Obama-man?

News Flash: Barack Obama trashes Annie Oakley! Now he not only looks down on church-going small town folks, but COWGIRLS! :):)

"Sure enough, Obama's hit man is on the show.
Axelrod is so savvy, he scares me. Does anyone wonder who is really
running Obama-man? "

Yes....the guy just drips smarm. One of the reasons I have grown to despise Obama's campaign is that he was obviously advised early on that to win he had to destroy or at least do great damage to Bill Clinton's presidency. His disregard for the Democratic party is obvious.

What is the credibility on this report....

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/13/report-carter-and-gore-to-team-up-against-clinton-to-end-her-presidential-bid/

The MSM has written Sen. Clinton off many times before, and they've been predicting utter doom unless she gets every primary vote and superdelegate committment from now until kingdom come. PA may surprise some folks as to how much she's still in this race.

from that report, Jimmie Carter's words.

In an interview that aired Sunday on ABC News’ “This Week,” Carter said he will not endorse a candidate until the Democratic convention in August.

“The only thing I know is that, I have not made an endorsement, and don’t intend to, until the time of the convention, but so far as I know, all my children and grandchildren are supporting Obama,” Carter said. “I got permission, by the way, from my children and grandchildren, and their spouses, to reveal their intention. I haven’t yet revealed what my intention is directly, or my wife.”

The former president also said that superdelegates should be free to endorse whomever they feel is best able to lead — regardless of the popular choice in the caucuses and primary contests.

“Any superdelegate who wishes to deviate from that opinion should be perfectly free to do so,” Carter said. “My hometown, my county, my state went overwhelmingly for Obama. But if I decided later on to support Mrs. Clinton, I would feel free to do so.”

thanks sturgeone....

96 years ago today and what just may be a metaphor for this whole political season.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5le92UmPmU

"...hurling insults back and forth like schoolyard kids."

Come on Craig, they can do whatever they want on a weekend.

And it's better having the shoot-out now than after the convention.

I say, let them have at it.

For those who missed it on the last thread, calling Hillary Clinton "Annie Oakley" might have been a mistake. I can just see her walking out for a speaking engagement to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stF2mXucm_w

I just saw the Obama Annie Oakley clip on MoJo and to be honest: I threw up in my mouth. His demeanor was simply repulsive. I believe that when Senator Clinton spoke at the Compassion Forum last night about politics not being a "game," she was really referring to these Obama comments. I swear enough to make a pirate cry that I really wanted to knock that smirk off his face (and most of you know that I am usually pretty even-handed when it comes to my Obama comments...I am speaking from the heart here because I believe that many other people (women especially) will be as turned off as I was by these remarks by Senator Obama.

With regard to the same Obama comments, apparently he is the only one allowed to use the Republican playbook. Shame on Senator Clinton for acting like a Republican? What about those Harry and Louise ads Senator Obama flooded the Midwest with? How about calling Clinton "the most secretive politician in American?" How about the Senator from Punjab memo? (Whoops...forgot. He didn't see that one before it went out.)

Frankly I think the Clintons are holding way back in this campaign. There is a lot of "stuff" they could be using against Obama (mainly regarding his association with anti-Semites) and they aren't going for it. Don't think for a second that the Republicans have any reservations about using the real kitchen sink method. I would say the Clintons have been using more of a small kitchen junk drawer method so far.

Patsi:

I'm glad someone agrees with me about Darth Axelrod.
I thought I was alone in my observation.

Cheers!

Jamie, you're a sell out! Patsi, you're delusional. All of you Clintonites are going to be so depressed after your lying candidate has to drop out of the race. When you ask? After she gets her behind kicked in North Carolina and Indiana. Why can't you just face it? She's a terrible candidate who ran a terrible race. She has man issues (Bubba and Mark Penn) and can't tell the truth to save her life (still dodging them there bullets in Bosnia). Ah, it's so nice to watch her campaign go down in flames. The arrogance. The entitlement. The gender pandering. The racism. All came back like a karmic boomerang on her ass. Maybe she can have some more whiskey shooters to salve the wound of losing to Barack. LOL

Heather, what a wonderful opportunity for you and your daughter!

And, have you submitted her legacy admission application to ND?

Dear Jason:

I'm a cradle to grave catholic and glad to hear that you are a fellow catholic as well! Jason it is a great blessing to have been to the Vatican especially during Palm Sunday. I have been to both Vatican and The Holy City and consider myself truly blessed as a result.
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I hope we can have a moment of clarity here and and talk honestly about race and Obama. I have seen the term "arrogant" used recurrently and while that may be partially true it is not the truth in its totality.

Let the Obama supporters come at me with their ropes, tar and feathers, the truth is that Sen. Obama is a bigot to a certain extent. Simple basic common logic warrants it.

Obama for many years has attended Services at Pastor Wright's church and he has heard his ongoing rhetoric, so has his wife and through the ripple effect it has resonated in their personal feelings as they have clearly displayed in recent stumping events.

When people say this is the "real Obama" it's true. Lets not kid ourselves, where did he make this "embittered" speech? Yes he pulled a "Randi Rhoades" and said this little gem inside the bastion of depraved extreme left wing liberalism San Francisco because he knew full well that psychobabble would not fly in Peoria. All these Obama melodramas just add fuel to Hillary's case to the super-delegates for the nomination.

People that support Obama cannot see the forest for the trees, a recent Marist poll in NY had McCain/ Condoleezza Rice defeating any combination of Hillary/Obama soundly.

Obama supporters need a moment of sanity and reflect how can a Veep on the ticket such as Condi who is closely aligned with Bush and Bush policies... some have accused her of being less than honest during congressional hearings, plus, add the fact Bush's approval is at an all time low at 28% yet with her on the ticked with McCain they trounce the Democrats, what would it be like if things improve and become less favorable for the Democrats.

The GOP is ready... sure the democrats will say McBush and another four more years of Bush? The GOP will counter punch with with identifying Obama with words as "Liberal" "extremist" and "elitist" "tax and spend" in every sentence they say Sen. Barack Obama.

It's time for Obama supporters to mend the fences and get behind Hillary/Ford for 2008 that is a winning combination and the only path the Democrats have to the White House

It is time for the extreme left of our party to wake up before it is too late.

--Heather

"Clinton suggested that Obama's remark, which was made at a San Francisco fundraising event, was fresh evidence that he could not win the general election in the fall."

And that's when this really counts, people, in the fall.

"Obama lashed back, accusing Clinton of practicing the kind of politics in which "we tear each other down."

Exactly what does he expect the GOP would do to him if the Dems were short-sighted enough to give him the nom? He is coming unglued, making mistakes and imploding.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-forum14apr14,0,2285777.story

Bye Bye......your observations are a bit premature, eh?

Bye Bye Billary,

At least us Hillary folks seem to maintain a more civil discourse than the
rather ranting Obama cheerleaders. What you fail to realize, Bye Bye,
is that many Clinton supporters simply will not support Obama
in the November election if he wins the primary. Who will be depressed
then?

Hey Heather,

You're the perfect Clinton supporter. Okay, let me get this straight. Hillary Clinton is losing. She's going to continue losing by every single metric out there. But Barack is supposed to just drop out because you're terrified of the big bad Republicans? Get a grip and get out of fantasy world. Hillary knows she can't win, either the Democratic contest or a general contest, especially with 48% of the people saying they would NEVER vote for her. So let's drop the idea that she's even getting the nomination. Not...gonna...happen. But the dumb idea that Barack will drop out is LAUGHABLE. Sure, I'm in first place, won more delegates, total votes, fundraising and I'll just drop out. Maybe you should think your little editorials through before you write them. The next one should be that the NY Giants should give back the Super Bowl victory because the New England Patriots are more deserving.

Ally, I agree with you totally. They have shown restraint.

The Obama campaign has been shameless in reframing Clinton campaign remarks into divisive talking points that they then pass out to the MSM. They, in turn, shout in glee, "Breaking News, Breaking News!"

Time to take off the gloves.

If Clintonites are dumb enough (or bitter enough, HA!) to vote against their interests when Barack is the nominee, then you're not worth the time to go after as a voter. I honestly don't think Clintonites are that dumb. Delusional because of the false hope their candidate has given them, yes. But not dumb.

Sturg,

The only people who are interested in perpetrating this Clinton lie that she can win the nom are the Clintons and the media, who get more advertising rev from saying it's still close. It's not. Mars is close to the Earth, relative to other planets. But it's still far away. And that's how far the Dem nom is to Clinton. Far away.

clinton supporters are not dumb'' delusional'' or
bitter'' that's why they are clintont supporters

I agree with Flatus and Ally. I hope Clinton lands a knock-out punch soon!
She's holding back and I want her to fight like the tough woman the
MSNBC pretty boys keep accusing her of being.

bye bye.......a bit premature, old top........

So Bye Bye -- does this mean you'd get behind Hillary if she's the nominee? The hatred and ugly talk I see coming from Obama supporters on so-called progressive blogs is palpable.

One other point I have brought up before but noticed again at the Compassion Forum. Obama does that rock star walk when shaking hands and signing autographs. Hillary has perfected the pause and acknowledge while walking the line. I realize it is a minor thing but Obama's demeanor on the line bugged me in Iowa and it bugs me now.

And for the Obama supporters who don't believe that his comments have sealed his fate as a John Kerry-esque liberal, wake up and smell your lattés please. This may not derail Obama in the primary, but it sure as heck is going to be a losing issue in the Fall.

Dear Bye Bye

Where is your location.... oh oh yes yes ding ding...Boss de plane de plane ahhhh yes Tatoo come we have a very special guest Tatoo. Oh Boss who is it? Mr. Rourke replies Tatoo this is Mr Bye Bye from the USA. Really Boss? yes Tatoo .

And Boss what is his fantasy? Well Tatoo he has a fantasy that Senator Barack Obama can win the general election and since it cannot happen in the United States Mr Bye Bye has come here to Fantasy Island to Live out his fantasy. Oh wow Boss thats incredible. Ahhh Tatoo I'm not so sure, you see Tatoo even here in Fantasy Island extreme radical left wingers cannot win elections.

Oh no Boss what will you do? Well Tatoo I will have to refund Mr Bye Bye's money and send him back to the USA:-))

Okay Mr Bye Bye seriously in the last 50 years name me one extreme left candidate that won a general election and pulllllllllllease don't say JFK

---Heather

Oh Mr Bye Bye:

If you want to see a "Real Democrat " tune in MSNBC ASAP
Obama isn't fit to tie his shoelaces.

Harold Ford Jr. a Class Act!

--Heather

" This may not derail Obama in the primary, but it sure as heck is going to be a losing issue in the Fall."

Absolutely right, Ally. The astonishing this is that I see one commentator after another saying the EXACT same thing, all the while cheerleading for Obama to take down Hillary. Do they WANT the Democrats to lose the general? It sure sounds like it.

Goodness Did I actually manage to silence Mr Bye Bye LOL, nothing to say? maybe he's going though google or a lefty that won a general election lol

Heavens!

--Heather

What is so ironic about Obama's statements regarding bitter Small Town America is his choice in pastor and church. Demagogues like Jeremiah Wright take advantage of the problems and disadvantages of the black community to spew vitriol. If you want to see bitter, look no further than Obama's close circle of friends.

Well seems like I did my good deed for the day, I quieted a Hillary hater. Not all that easy to silence them they are very hyper lol

--Heather

Jamie said: "For those who missed it on the last thread, calling Hillary Clinton "Annie Oakley" might have been a mistake..."

I don't know if Bernadette Peters has endorsed a candidate but I saw her in "Annie Get Your Gun" on Broadway and loved it. Maybe she could reprise a performance at a rally!

Thank you for silencing the troll Heather!

Nope Heather, I'm just waiting for you to post something with an actual thought. When you do, I'll respond.

Ally, you hate the rock star walk. Yep, that's exactly how I make my choice for president. How they walk into a room. Jobs, health care, bah humbug. Small potatoes. But how he walks into a room, see right there is the key. And you say Clintonites aren't delusional?

Patsi, will Obama supporters get behind Clinton? Thankfully we'll never have to test that out.

Well MoJo is the only one to get it right. He noted that the MSM have only been focusing on one little aspect of what he said in order to give him a pass. They leave off the really offensive parts like where he calls small town Americans bigots.

I love the caller from FL (posted the link last night on last thread) who said "...he said what he meant the first time..."

He did say what he meant the first time because he was trying to explain to rich whitey why working class whitey won't vote for him.

As to all this Annie Oakley stuff...I'm not sure if I was Clinton I would mind it so much. Annie Oakley...tough lady.

And when ole Barrack tries to trash Hillary to cover up his own mistake...it just makes him look like a bigger jerk than he already does. The MSM will find his remarks about Hillary charming but I wonder how the small town Americans that he called bigots will find them.

" Goodness Did I actually manage to silence Mr Bye Bye LOL,"

Go Heather!

And Ally --another good point, RE: Wright. I'm still not recovered from his ugly comments about Natalie Holloway.

Right Ally,

But what words would Obama use to describe the urban unemployed people who have guns, and go to church?

- - - I think he'd call them Obama supporters

Oh Wendy! I like the exclamation point. I would hate to confuse you with just plain Wendy. I feel you on the MSM. I mean, why oh why don't they tell the real truth about Obama. They're so in the pocket and so hate that hardscrabble, salt of the earth, poverty stricken, Hillary. I mean, what's a girl to do when the whole wide world is against her?

"how many far left candidates have won in the last 50 years...."

pretty good question......why dont you attempt an answer instead of evading..... dodging ?

"However we still HRC dedidacted...."

Jason, you and Michael Nutter are great role models (for us ALL) - simply because you chose a candidate not based on color OR gender but on whether you think they are the right person for the job and in the face of A LOT of pressure, you stick by your convictions. Thank you.

Seriously Speaking Mr Bye Bye:

When you debate me you are going to have to do better than parroting sounbites you hear on MSNBC. First of all Obama would drop out not because he's leading in delegates fund raising etc. He'd drop out for the good of the Democratic Party.

He has a bright future in the Democratic Party and he is young and he will have plenty of time and resources to run again.
If he followed your advice he will get clocked in the general election and lose huge, Then he will go out to pasture with Mondale and Dukakis never to be seen or heard from again

--Heather

Bye Bye is so typical of the irrational hatred....I repeat, will he or won't he support Hillary if she's the nominee?

Yeah, ask Nutter (or Sheila Jackson Lee) how that works out for them when they're up for re-election. Long memories folks, long memories. You can't go against the wishes of your constituents and think everything's hunky dory. And as for Jason, what do you want? A medal for courage? A cookie? There's always been black folks who'll run to a white candidate, sometimes just so they'll appear special. Notice his woe is me post about how he is so special for fight against the black mainstream. And you guys pat him on the head for being not like those other black people who "mindlessly" support Obama. Look up, Jason. I just tossed you a grape for being special.

Monica Crowley is on Imus now.

She's really down on Mr Obama's campaign. Suggested that no one of his effete academic background has ever prevailed in the general.

And, I heard her as saying that people who supported him because they saw him as a blank slate on to which they could fit in their own views of his candidacy, are now becoming disillusioned and questioning of their own judgment.

This one's for Bye Bye!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JoJqID-wJY

Oh Heather, the person who holds the great crystal ball of the future. The good of the Democratic Party? Why then Hilary should never have run. See, she tends to come from a family that has scandals around it. A solid half of the country hates her. Bill cheats on her regularly. Getting clocked in the general election? Hillary will be so tied to everything bad about the Clinton administration it wouldn't be funny.

Barack on the other hand. Strength. Low negatives. New voters. No scandals (except the ones the Clintons are so DESPERATE to create).

Heather 8:17 comment

ROFLMAO!!!!

mornin' all -

Somehow I get the feeling that I know Bye Bye Billary. Sounds awfully familiar.

prof marcia - hope you become a regular here. You observations about Axelrod (from my perspective, he reminds me of Obama's Rove) alone make me look forward to your comments.

Everyone has their taxes done?

I have to laugh at the reverse elitism comments I've heard and read - poopooing Hillary's response (which while accurate IMHO, may be a bit of an over reaction) as not credible because she and Bill have more money than Obama. Obviously that is a campaign talking point that the Axelrod mafia has come up with, and does not reflect what elitism is all about. Believe me, money is not the starting point for elitism. The most elitist folks are not necessarily the ones with the most money - they're just the ones who think they are better than those around them. You can tell who they are - they affect being regular folk although they are anything but, don't actually engage with people (adopt that rock star walk, f'rinstance) and have to explain how their elitist comments were just accurate observations.

Remember, in the words of the immortal John Lennon (at least I think he wrote the line) happiness is a warm gun.

Hey Flatus,

Got a bit of info for you. Hillary went to Yale. Just a bit of info. Not that it matters. I guess.

ah, but it was Mother Superior who jumped the gun.....

Bye Bye Billary , why don't you use an actual name? What are you afraid of? Is this your secret identity?

Hey Bye Bye
Can you please respond to my most recent post. Take a deep breath Bye Bye and talk about the general stop talking about the primaries tell me what majority votes will your messiah Obama win the the general? Independent? No. Hillary supporters? No The Jewish vote? Not hardly Reagan Democrats? Not even close. He will get the depraved left wing radical Starbucks vote, the African American vote, the NARAL vote unfortunately for you that is nowhere near winning a general election

Call me after the second Tuesday in Nov. of your messiah gets nominated
You won't talk about the general will you BYE BYE and with good reason
--Heather

Bye Bye Billary, come out - come out, whoever you are.

Yes Pogo- I can recognize the caustic writing style and tone as well

Corey......that information in the wrong hands could lead to untold levels of devastation and mayhem.......

Heather, OMG, your 8:17 is frickin' wonderful.

Jason, I know I'm a little challeneged this early in the morning, but what the hell does "dedidacted" mean?

I'm glad you conceded the primary, Heather.

Pogo...I have the same feeling and would even venture to say the trolls name rhymes with Bye Bye

;-)

Scrolling past those posts until the coward has the guts to face us.

This is for the Hillary supporters out there! Unite!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7l250E5uM4

Dear Flatus:

I'm sorry...I got so wrapped up with Bye Bye I missed your comment Thank you so much and well she's tentatively scheduled for ND lol
I am ambivalent though. It's not the same ND I went to

--Heather

I wonder what large voting block Obama-man will insult today?

"You can tell who they are - they affect being regular folk although they are anything but, don't actually engage with people (adopt that rock star walk, f'rinstance) and have to explain how their elitist comments. . ."

Pogo you mean a comment like..."small town typical whitey won't vote for me because they are bitter, gun loving bigots" ?

You mean comments like that?

;-)

I am surprised how Democrats have allowed Obama to degrade, devalue and revise the William Jefferson Clinton presidency. Clinton was the only Democrat to be reelected since FDR. He left office with a 65% approval rating, the highest since WWII. But many Democrats were certainly happy to throw Bill under the bus when Obama announced that Bill didn't change the trajectory of the country. Whatever Obama says, right?

ByeByeBillary is just what I expect him to be. MEAN! Like most of the online Barrack bloggers. Mean, hateful...
But it is all good bro, be your mean ole self. This black brother stands by his ideas and by the year he lives in. My dad told me: Let everyone hate, but let God judge... he is right.

Wendy, please do not call me a role model. I am just a guy with a brain and a conscience...I do not let color decide for me.

Heather, I have to disagree with you on this one. Barrack needs to win, he is in this way to deep. If he loses this, he is over...and he knows it. That is why he pounds nowadays. he needs to. No point of return or retract anymore.

As I said last night , they were speaking at "Messiah College". Like THAT wasn't a coincidence! LOL!

Bye Bye:

You have no credibility other than talking points you repeat off MSNBC lol you have to do better than spewing that supercilious sanctimonious primary psychobabble nonsense and get real

--Heather

Yeah, U-B it does sound familiar doesn't it?

Yes, sturg, it was.

Flatus, I guess Monica's a bit young to remember JFK - I think he had one of those effete, northeastern liberal Ivy league educations. And I think he prevailed in a general election.

Hey, Bye Bye, how many times in the past 10 years has Bill cheated on Hillary? I've got an idea - make it 12 years. And welcome to the world of republican slime, you are now an official card carrying member of it.

MoJoe was right. When you combine the "bitter" remark of Sen. Obama with Michelle's

"[Michelle Obama] told a group gathered at a nursing home in Grinnell on Monday that “Barack is one of the smartest people you will ever encounter who will deign to enter this messy thing called politics.”

There is an arrogance and attitude of stooping to serve the lower masses quality.

@Pogo: lol
Sorry, I meant dedicated

Wendy proves that Clintonites hear voices. Would love to hear where Obama said "whitey" therefore making him a bigot. Oh that's right, didn't happen. Delusional? I prove my case.

Obama got a great big laugh out of the billionaires in SF, a big belly laugh, what a bunch of arrogant @ssholes. The joke will be on them when the GE comes around and their money will have been placed on the loser.

There's one thing I know about really rich people, they hate to lose ! - but more then that they hate to lose their money.

Corey, RFLMAO - really, LOL.

I was thinking that Obama could have the Dalai Lama as his running mate. Just think of it....

Obama/Lama '08!

Jamie: I don't really want someone to be my President with a clothespin on their nose. And, by the way, if we are going to have a contest to see who has the biggest brain, most people who know Hillary say that she is one of the smartest people they have ever met.

Ally: Bill degrades the Clinton legacy. He doesn't need Obama's help.
Jason: Nothing like being a martyr for your views, eh.
Heather: Whatever
Pogo: Republican slime machine? I'm guessing that Republicans unzipped Bill pants all those times?
Unlikely: At least we'll get the chance to test out an Obama GE campaign. Clinton can sip Crown Royal and think about how it all went wrong.

Hey Bye Bye,

WELL DONE! Stop by anytime.

Just call us before you do , Bye Bye.

Jason, I thought so, and so did IE when I tried to hunt up a definition. :-)

And Flatus - I do not mean to suggest JFK was an elitist, just taking a potshot at Monica.

Corey: Obama/Lama 08. That is high-larious! Belly laugh time!

Hey Burrito,

I agree with your rich people hating to lose comment. That's why old $100 million dollar Bill and HIll will REALLY be mad when they end up with the "thank you for playing prize.

No, BB, republicans came up with your lines about him.

Obama will end up with what ? first runner up.....talk about losing BIG!

Pogo: And the big, bad Repubs would use it against her in the GE. Thank God we'll never find out.

Oh, and BB, I'll take it from your avoidance of the question, you know of no instances of Bill's infidelity since Monica? Continue to criticize the marital aspects of the president Obama aspires to be, and hope to god your messiah's teflon layer doesn't wear thinner. He's going to need it.

And note - I do not aim the messiah comment at anyone other than you - there are many Obama supporters here with their heads on straight who support him as a candidate rather than worship him as a god.

Welcome Bye Bye! You are a breath of fresh air and a brave soul.

"And, I heard her as saying that people who supported him because they saw him as a blank slate on to which they could fit in their own views of his candidacy, "

Wow -- you know Flatus -- I think this is a very interesting thought.

Hey, how about the words from a former Clintonite: Robert Reich

http://www.robertreich.blogspot.com/

Spin this, delusionalites...er...Clintonites...

BB.....so far, aside from the insults, all you have are predictions......your opinion of how it's going to be.....

Thank you for playing.

A big WOOF to you dog!

dog hussein dog - Bye Bye Billary may seem like fresh air but used to post here under a different name.

That's not really a sign of bravery, do you think?

OK Pogo. Anybody voting in '61 knew well that he was a true war hero--hardly effete.

The Kennedys are such an amazingly complex family. Only in America. :)

or an "a"

Heather, my first stop was at Kenyon in Gambier, Ohio. Small, liberal arts, quality, coed (now), and well regarded. Worthy of your consideration and a campus visit if you are headed in that direction. Obviously, there's no rush. :))

Yes, the disingenuousness of blaming a wife whose husband cheated on her is a core trait of republicans - welcome to the club.

oh, well.......when people start signing posts with crap like "bye bye billary" it might just be time for a posting respite.......

bye bye.......arent you going to be late for school?

bye bye.

I think Mary Matalin was correct when she said the following on Meet the Press yesterday:

MS. MATALIN: Let, let me, can I say something more practical about this, getting out of the anthropological study of it? He's not the candidate that he's promised to be. This is a very important point. We know he's not been vetted properly because every week something comes out. He's--hasn't been tested properly. He's never run a tough race like this. The reason it's important that he said it so poorly is because he holds out the promise of being the "great articulator," the "great communicator" of the new Democratic Party. And when he's under--he, the, the longer he goes, the more he's exposed, and this is not an isolated incident, to be a not particularly overwhelming candidate. And that's when there's really no issues. You're not fighting over issues. Wait till he gets up against John McCain where there are real issue differences.

And yet he continues to beat Hillary. How weak is she?

"I'm guessing that Republicans unzipped Bill pants all those times? "

I'm guessing you despise and discount all leaders who have ever had affairs: FDR, Eisenhower, JFK, RFK, MLK -- gee, throw 'em all under the bus.

Flatus, no, JFK was neither effete nor elitist, in spite of his wealth and education - the descrition was meant to apply to his education, not to him. He was one of those enigmas in American politics - a have who could connect with have nots. (Of course considering the source of his father's wealth, elitism might not have been appropriate for him).

Ah Heather, just tossed you ten cents for using Hillary's "the boys are beating up on me" mimicry. You get a quarter if you say that it was unfair for her to have to start first during the Compassion Forum yesterday.

Heather,

Why the second Tuesday? Election Day is Nov 4th.

Other than that, enjoy your trip to NYC, and keep up the good fight. Go Yanks.

If you are going to post anonyous ad hominen attacks it is probably not a good idea to use the same insults previously posted under your normal posting name.

Of course when all you have is the same old load of crap...not surprising you want to use a different name.

SInce you are obviously a bitter and unhappy person we can only assume you are home ccleaning your gun collection and planning some odd religious event.

God's truth; I have no idea who Bye Bye is but enjoy the bracing wit, brevity and contrast BBB provides.

You would not notice it, but the pro-Clinton comments here are so stale.

With some interesting stuff thrown in: Corey: I enjoyed your account of the fire at work last night. Very glad you were not endangered or lost anything you were working on. Liked the "you are there" aspect of your narrative. You're a good reporter.

If she wins PA and by more than 10 points is she weak then?

Another one for Bye Bye...

http://new.music.yahoo.com/videos/--2162605

Patsi,

Many BHO voters voted prior to the Rev Wright issue, and there have been reports of them regretting their votes.

He looked like he was really enjoying his digs at Hillary, with that big grin on his face. That's the happiest I have ever seen him....

See if he is smiling during the debate on Wednesday.

Pogo, my guess is that you have to go back to Wilson.

You're gonna have to explain to me what "ad hominen" means. I don't speak Chinese.

Yeah , at least they got the fire at work under control. The fire here????

"(Of course considering the source of his father's wealth, elitism might not have been appropriate for him). "

Ha! Very true. The Kennedys have somehow not been branded elitists. I think it's that rowdy Irish Catholic image.

It's not on MSNBC this time. I don't Katie and Bob on on the Obama band wagon.

But you're pretty good at jive , Bye Bye.

Right you are, Patsi!

It's not on MSNBC this time. I don't think Katie and Bob are on the Obama band wagon.

And what was all that "Elite 8" crap about during the NCAA basketball tournament a few weeks ago?

Learned how to dance it in the eighth grade, Corey. Right along with the foxtrot.

I've tabulated all the comments this AM.

Critical of Obama: 11 nasty, 11 rational
Critical of Clinton: zero nasty, 1 rational

Crawfordslist has become an almost entirely a pro-Clinton site.

I did not include any postings by, or replies to, Bye Bye Billary, as he/she is an obvious troll. (Get a clue, folks. "Bye Bye" is NOT an Obama supporter but a troll who is just try to annoy you, and doing a pretty good job of it.)

Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 9:42 AM

As evidence by your other posts, an explanation would be lost on you as while you may be able to write --it appears you can neither think or read. Or keep your word.

People Please,
let us just not fal back on posters like Bye Bye Billary.... The name says enough. It is bashing Hillary and nothing more.
Let us try to focus on the big picture and that is, without stooping to lows like Bye Bye Billary, trying to discuss the candidates on a fair base.

Now,
Vadaryl, that is actually quite a nice post from Ms matalin.....

I meant , Jive talking. Like the Bee Gees.

"Welcome Bye Bye! You are a breath of fresh air and a brave soul.

Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 14, 2008 9:24 AM"

LOL

Dog

Dang it
Now I have to put you on the list for "whos bye bye?"

Your comment is a classic sock puppetry trick. :-)

Jack

I like you Nash.

Nash.....maybe it's just that most obama supporters sleep late?

Oh goody, a teaching moment.

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–adjective 1. appealing to one's prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one's intellect or reason.
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Pogo

"a have who could connect with have nots"

Certainly JFK was well aware of street politics from grandad Honeyfitz. With FDR, the testimony is that polio is what really gave him sensitivity to others after leading a life of privilege up to that time.

It isn't the money or status that makes you an "elitist". It is the attitude of superiority toward those who have not received or achieved as much.

jamie, expressed much more artfully than mine.

One of my favorite songs, Corey. Still wear a gold chain to my navel like Harold Ickes to celebrate the disco era.

There are Obama supporters here. I see them every day.

Pogo: Thanks for the definition. Now, if you can only explain the big words like "than" and "or"

Posted by: nash | April 14, 2008 9:46 AM

Are you jealous of the troll since posting annoying comments is something you usually like to do...especially inciting Clinton supporters.

wow, the HRC-BHO slugfest is off to an early start here today. anyone see John Adams last night? loved the scenes of him arguing with Jefferson, makes u realize nothing much has changed after all. now they would have loved blogging.

I guess I'll go to bed before Craig gets out his blogger-killer spray. LOL! I'm sure there will be plenty for me to read when I wake up later today.

Jason....when I went out this morning and smelled Spring, I thought of that trip lo those many years ago....on the road to Amsterdam and the endless fields of tulips....what an incredible sight! No wonder the Dutch produced and inspired so many great works of art.

Watched John Adams. Immediately thought that I could have made a killing by inventing Crest white strips.

nash, go get coffee before you count -

4 nasty comments in one post:
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/04/democrats-get-your-guns.html#comment-66988

The debate, to be held at the National Constitutional Center in Philadelphia will be moderated by "World News" anchor Charles Gibson and "This Week" host George Stephanopoulos.

So glad is isn't Russert

"Nash.....maybe it's just that most obama supporters sleep late?"

Ha....I've noticed that. The early morning is usually Hillary Country.

Why has Crawfordslist become a nearly 100% pro-Clinton site?

I think it's because of the audience Craig attracts. He tries to be neutral, but he unconsciously favors "middle-of-the-road" politicians. He doesn't really like extreme conservatives, and he doesn't really like progressives.

Since Obama is perceived as more "progressive" than Hillary, the people on this blog, with a few exceptions, have become strongly pro-Hillary. As Obama keeps winning, and she keeps losing, their antipathy towards him gets stronger.

Since there are no major policy differences between Obama and Clinton, this is a bit odd.

Craig -- you are so right. A couple of weeks ago I had lunch with a very political guy here in town....a big Obama supporter, but not glassy-eyed about it. He was laughing about people saying this is SO ugly. He said, "These critics need to read a little of the history of campaigns."

Yup Yup Yup Patsi....

It is a pretty sight. However it is still cold here. Spring is ducking, still, and not ready to come out in full bloom yet. Darn that winter.....

The slugfest is about to end CC. I want a grown ups discussion.
CCN intl. reporting that BO is narrowing in PA.... OMG...can someone tel me why I keep lokking to that hideous tv station? LOL

When you vote for President you are voting primarily for the person. No one ever knows what a president might face in the years in office, so the voters, pick who they think will be able to do the best job, regardless of circumstances.

The Democrats policy stances are very similar, so it makes their character, ethics, ability and history all the more important.

I think the two democrats are light years apart in this respect.

nash: Gender and age are a huge issue on this blog too. Identity politics; anger at someone playing out of turn.

Very on point analysis at 10:00 a.m.

Nash's comment about Bye Bye Billary is interesting, because unlike Dog, I find him/her irritating and aggressive and from that I start to think "with arrogance like this why SHOULD I vote for Obama if he is the nominee?" I realize that isn't a good response, or even an intelligent one, it's a knee-jerk reaction from troll postings. I thought he might be John R. in drag. Would Anon-Paranoid be so paranoid as to change his nick? Hell we can all change our nicks and write nasty little attacks the whole day long and where is the blog then? This isn't about having a discussion, this is about face slapping and knee-kicking, eye scratching an skin biting. If Bye Bye wants a serious dialogue, he would dialogue, not spew hatred around the blog.

I am convinced that Bye Bye is John R... though last time I saw him posting he was far more magnanimous that earlier. Of course with the bad press Obama has gotten in the last few days, the Obamanacs are probably angrier and more reactive. If I am wrong about John R, I am sorry. I know that anon goes over the deep end often but this seems far more nasty than what he would normally do.

But then... moods shift and some of us forget our meds...

I have always been left wing to the chagrin of my Dad, but I like Hillary. I don't think that makes me any less progressive. I believe that the real historic moment is for a strong, competent woman to lead our country. I think testosterone has led far long enough. We could certainly gain perspective from the estrogen crowd :-) ... but seriously, I like Hillary and I think she's got what it takes to be a leader. She was a FINE first lady, a good Senator and I think would make a great President.

Obama's comments on small town bitterness were an attempt to deal with a critical issue: how the GOP has historically managed to get lower and middle class people to vote against their own economic self-interest, by using issues like guns, abortion, religion, race, etc.

As has been well documented, Bill Clinton made similar comments when he was a candidate. Hillary had a chance to elevate the dialog. She could have responded to Obama’s comments thoughtfully, criticizing some aspects, but reinforcing the basic message. Instead, she adopted the GOP position and attacked Obama. This weakens the Democratic party, no matter who the candidate is, and made it much easier for McCain to win.

I didn’t think McCain has a chance this year, but now he does, thanks to Hillary. All he has to do is pay close attention to her attacks on Obama, and then use them against whoever the Dem candidate is. And it will work, because Hillary has legitimized that line of argument.

No BBB, but I can define sarcastic if you need me to.

Yep, Craig, saw it. What has changed, or at least appears to have changed, is the apparent outward civility between Adams and Jefferson (of course they were friends until then), despite their differences on the still rancourous basic political issues of the day and the impending war (thankfully averted to the political disadvantage of Adams), and serving together in the administration but as members of competing parties. Hamilton was not so constrained. Of course, not attending Jefferson's inauguration would be considered well byond gauche now.

Ah Nash, but according to Clintonites, Hillary has the good of the Democratic Party at heart.

a casual stroll thru an insane asylum will go a long way towards showing that faith doesnt prove much........

---FWN

ET, Craig is in the tank for HIllary - don't you know that yet? lol

Does anyone on this Blog live in a small town?

If so, do you feel that the people that live there are bitter?

Do they cling to guns? and religion due to their frustrations?

I really don't know. I have never lived in a small town. I am truly curious.

Hmm, living in a place called a Rust Belt? I think we're just a bit angry.

I didn’t think McCain has a chance this year, but now he does, thanks to Hillary. All he has to do is pay close attention to her attacks on Obama, and then use them against whoever the Dem candidate is. And it will work, because Hillary has legitimized that line of argument.

Posted by: nash | April 14, 2008 10:16 AM

Yes, Hillary should drop out, Hillary should shut up, Hillary should roll over and play dead... The MSM has been spoon-feeding this bull since Iowa !

Dems and Repugs have always gone for each other in Presidential nominating campaigns when there are real contests. You would have us believe the Hillary created the whole concept of attacking the opponent, even though the first attacks early on were from the Obama groupies.

It's all crap, but this is how politics works I guess. Complain about your opponent for attacking, while you've been attacking all along and actually started doing it first...

Hypocrisy.

The "New Politics" sure disappeared quickly.

It was all a fraud!

How about this? Run a competent campaign before asking voters to put you in office. Is that too much to ask?

IT IS A BEUTIFUL THING TO WATCH THE DRAGONLADY'S CAMPAIGN IMPLODING!!!! SHE IS TOTALLY AMORAL AND UNFIT FOR PUBLIC OFFICE !!!!!

I've been struggling to articulate my concerns about the Clinton response to the "small town bitterness" comments. This fellow does it much better than I could...

"Already, Hillary Clinton has gone too far with her criticism of Obama, and is beginning to frame the issue in a way she might actually lose."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dylan-loewe/a-bitter-pill-to-swallow_b_96454.html

Hey Oregon Demo, a "fraud" just like Hillary's ultra dangerous, sniper ridden, trip to Bosnia with Chelsea and...Sinbad?

prof Marcia,

Just catching up from last nite.

If I took the time I could solicit, record and relate here a least a dozen personal sketches from many family and friends I encounter each day throughout the week.These accounts would generally reinforce a sentiment for their support of Obama as the best candidate in their judgment for the nomination. Most of theses stories would be from well educated and traveled women (mostly white) all of whom had previously voted for Bill C. and consider themselves staunch democrats.
Would this collection of stories be credible as definitive of a trend towards women preferring to elect man over a women for the presidency. I think not. However, if you provided a well designed and thorough survey that sampled hundreds of like individuals, then their conclusions might be more substantial as proof of a trend or sentiment; in my opinion.
In the article I don't dismiss any of their comments , I just don't agree that it is reflective of most young women.

lol....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/04/democrats-get-your-guns.html#comment-67119

"he unconsciously favors "middle-of-the-road" politicians. He doesn't really like extreme conservatives, and he doesn't really like progressives. -- Posted by: nash"

that is correct, Nash, all except for the unconcious part.

nash - you should be a speech writer for Obama - had he spoken like you did in your 10:16 comment, the response by Hillary would not have happened and we wouldn't be embroiled in this bullsh*t. Now the 2nd paragraph - you've been around the block more than once, and you can't expect Hillary to react favorably to a perceived gaffe anymore than I can expect Obama to. Neither candidate has taken the high road in this kerfuffle. It's politics, and the bottom line is that the candidates speak and react, and the voters vote. In the end that's all there is to it. If Obama can't win in Nov., don't look to Hillary - her response to his inartful remarks is certainly not going to win the presidency for McCain. If Obama can't make his remarks ring with the voters, that's not Hillary's fault.

that's exactly what I wrote in my blog OD when I first noticed it... And it was Barack's campaign that started the nastiness...

From my blog 21 November 2007 (edited)

21 November 2007 (I can't get a link to work)

Obama Needs to Take the High Road as Promised
Current mood: discontent
Category: News and Politics

The following is a message I sent to the Barack Obama official MY SPACE. I like Barack, and I like Hillary. But I have been increasingly disturbed by Barack's attacks on other candidates, particularly Hillary. It isn't like no one else does this, but Barack was campaigning on the need for a "new politics", instead of all the usual attacks one sees in Presidential campaigns. He has apparently abandoned this goal after seeing his popularity figures dwindling and Hillary's skyrocketing. Here is the message:

"I have to say .. Obama has increasingly disappointed me. I really loved his keynote speech at the Democratic National Convention in 2004, and also his call for a "new politics" when he announced his interest in running for President. But, when he wasn't getting the numbers he hope for, he went on the attack on Hillary particularly. I am a Clinton fan from the days Bill and Hillary were in the White House. I have also watched with great interest and hope with Obama's run for the Presidency. But his vicious attacks on Hillary has taken away the moral high ground he pledged to walk on.

I am still open to Obama, but I need to see less attacks on Hillary and a return to the "new politics" he has given us much hope to see in this election cycle.

Hey Clintonites,

Gotta question for ya. Did it ever dawn on you that Hillary has no core values and that's why she's been rejected?

She's like a magnificent hollow tree, cored out by worms and blight. On the outside, she's got all this experience and yet when you go an inch deep, you find out that there's no there there. The experience is all exaggeration, hype and lies. So she collapses, under the weight of going for her own delusion, rather than her skill. But don't worry. She'll do well in the Senate.

I hope they never ever have another primary that goes on this long! It is just to long, too much time for the politicians, and too much time for the voters.

craig - :-)

omg

now Hillary is a freakin' tree.....

: (

EuroTom, don't confuse New Politics with some passive notion that your opponent gets to beat up on you and you just take it. New Politics is about eliminating lobbyists from the money stream. New Politics is about talking about the issues. But it's also about defending yourself and pointing out the hypocrisy of your candidate. And with the NAFTA supporting, Bosnia sniper "misremembered" (is that even a word?)Hillary, there's a lot of hypocrisy.

Nancianne, could you please stop using all caps. You have read basic netiquette rules?? If not, this might help: http://www.learnthenet.com/english/html/09netiqt.htm

Tom

burrito and EuroTom: short comment, because today has heaven's weather -- it's superb here! -- and have some work to do.

burrito: on character: I choose Obama on this point. (I know, surprise surprise.)

Aside from his personal character, David Axelrod and BHO's other advisors are leagues above Mark Penn and Howard Wolfson. Hillary retains some terrible attack dog type advisers (clumsy mutts, in Penn's case) and that's an enormous strike against her.

(I have a good impression of Bill's advisors and appointees. Robert Rubin and James Lee Witt -- among numerous other -- were capable and public-service minded.)

EuroTom: I am actually quite serene about the "bitter" issue. I think Hillary has overplayed, as she is wont to do. There was a lot of truth to Obama's remarks -- they are highlighting the venue and oversimplifying what he actually said.

It will be interesting to see this play out over the next few days. I think it might actually benefit Obama.

Off to Southern Oregon ..work..

Have a nice day !

BBB, my point is... when his numbers were in the toilet, Obama opened the attack floodgates and did it very effectively. So where's the morality here?

Throughout his campaign Obama has used arrogant, smart aleck comments to attack Hillary; the media usually just chuckles at his comments and thinks of them as clever. Hopefully, this time the media will not be able to bury his stupid comments re small town people being bitter and clinging to their guns, religion and anti-immigrant beliefs.

In response to Hillary's critique of his words, Obama couldn't keep his stupidity from boiling over and continued to put his foot in his mouth as most arrogant, smart aleck people do eventually by calling Hillary "Annie Oakley" with a derisive tone. Guess the oh-so-wonderful, God-like creature Obama temporarily forgot that Annie Oakley was a real person admired by many! In an attempt to cover up his insult to small-town America, he insulted Annie Oakley!

When Obama uses his "own words" that are not scripted for him, he frequently reveals a severe lack of depth in his knowledge of history and current affairs.
Earlier in the campaign, Obama was asked about his lack of foreign affairs experience comparied with Hillary's. Obama put down Hillary's foreign affairs experience and said Hillary had not been Secretary of State and that Madelene Albright might have something to say about Hillary's CLAIMS of foreign affairs expertise. The facts were that Madelene Albright not only had something to say but had already said it many times; she has been an outspoken supporter of Hillary Clinton and her foreign affairs expertise! The media gave Obama a pass on his "Bozo Moment". ("Bozo Moment" is a term once used by A.B. Stoddard, Editor of The Hill, to describe Obama's serious and illogical mistakes.) I could not believe that Obama was not aware that Madelene Albright was a fervent supporter of Hillary's; how could he not know! Since that time, I have watched Obama have several "Bozo Moments" and now have sincere doubts about his lack of depth in knowledge about most topics.

Obama gives great speeches as long as he sticks to the written speech. When Obama drifts away from the written speech or when he is in a debate or answering questions in an interview, his words frequently are not eloquent but inaccurate or arrogant. Obama, like most people who plagiarize, has difficulty expressing himself when he has to use his own words!

A hollow tree, pogo. A hollow tree.

good morning gang....

hope you all had as good a weekend as mine......

well.... I see you're all dancing the troll dance...... LOL.... it is amusing....

Craig..... this ain't gonna stop..... looks like you'll just have to get used to it....

GO DEMOCRATS.....
GO RED SOX.....

and BTW.... I have a sneaky suspicion the troll lives in northern Maine....
and now of course.... I will get a denial...... ROFL!

Tom, can you point to those attacks? When did the attacks originate from the Obama campaign? I'm truly interested.

An empty suit, BBB, an empty suit.

EuroTom: I am actually quite serene about the "bitter" issue. I think Hillary has overplayed, as she is wont to do. There was a lot of truth to Obama's remarks -- they are highlighting the venue and oversimplifying what he actually said.

It will be interesting to see this play out over the next few days. I think it might actually benefit Obama.

Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 14, 2008 10:38 AM

It doesn't bother me as much as it does other HRC supporters. I don't think Obama meant to be demeaning, but it comes across that way. Like I said, I don't hate Barack Obama, I like him... I just happen to like Hillary far more.

As for grabbing the comments and making it an issue, I think if the role was reversed numbers wise and the comment that opened a window for attack, Mr. Obama would have done the same thing... It's politics.. it's always been "down and dirty" He can say he isn't part of that, but he is! And he has been a very learned student of traditional attack politics. Frankly, that's where he's lost me because his keynote address in 2004 was SOO eloquent that I didn't expect him embrace the "traditional"

I hope Obama supporters can understand my POV.

BewareTheBelievers: Barack, uh, writes his own speeches. So that would mean, well, that his words in speeches and his extemporaneous words are the same. So your argument falls flatter than Hillary's Gallop poll numbers.

You Hillary people STILL don't get it.

Hillary & Obama have virtually IDENTICAL policy positions.

By calling Obama an "elittist," Hillary is undermining herself, if she ever gets to face McCain. McCain can use her own words against her.

Ah, but a winning suit, pogo.

"I didn’t think McCain has a chance this year, but now he does, thanks to Hillary. All he has to do is pay close attention to her attacks on Obama, and then use them against whoever the Dem candidate is. And it will work, because Hillary has legitimized that line of argument."

Nash, how can you honestly attempt to teach young minds with this sort of "analysis"? If you don't think the GOP already had their ducks in a row against Obama you are nutz. You think Karl & Co. needs Hillary's input? ROFL!

Like that fabled Hare was "winning" against the tortoise, BBB

BBB it was during the early debates. Granted John Edwards was also in on it, but Barack did too... It happened almost immediately after this editorial by Karl Rove on what Barack had to do if he wanted to close Hillary's numbers advantage, and it was basically attack..

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/dee0a6e8-a109-11dc-9f34-0000779fd2ac.html Frankly I think Obama took it to heart except the "respectfully" part.

ET...

No I am not Bye Bye. And why post when anything I say is taken as an attack against Hillary and I get personally attacked like so many Obama supporters when they leave comments.

And in the mean time we have acknowledged War Criminals in the Peoples House and all anyone can rag about is Hillary or Obama.

You all may think I'm nuts with my observations and I really don't care anymore. We will get the Government we Deserve in the long run and if I'm right like I believe I am we are all is serious trouble.

So go ahead and tear up a person whom I believe is good Christian who only has the Countries best interest in his heart.

You want to destroy someone who is trying to give us our Constitution back for someone who will retain the Powers of a Dictator or put another War Monger into the Peoples House.

Have fun.

That may be, BBB, but if so, it better fill quickly.

Yesterday BHO was talking about some guy who didn't have a job, BHO went on to say he had to give that guy some tax breaks...the man had no income....so he doesn't need tax breaks- geez - he needs a JOB.....but the crowd applauded anyway....lol

If you listen carefully to what BHO says un-scripted , I agree with BewareTheBelievers, he fumble often, and sometimes the topics do not connect. I am not sure why this happens to him, but it does.

well anon, I am sorry for implicating you. Sincerely. That's all I can say...

Best,

Tom

"Beware" is hysterical if he or she thinks Obama's words are "scripted" for him. What a clumsy way to try to take down the more eloquent candidate.

Obama is cerebral and actually thinks his answer through when asked questions, as opposed to spewing out focus group tested lines and arguments.

And yes, he is newer to this than Clinton, but it's a pleasure to see such a fine person coming into his own and meeting the challenges of a grueling campaign.

He has been chess to her "whack a mole."

His cerebral nature is a great part of his appeal -- and those looking for someone who will take a fresh appraisal of what we as Americans can and need to do are noticing.

Obama has more faith in Americans than Clinton does.

Patsi: Too bad the American people already knows the Hillary story and that's why they've rejected her. Dang, when Democrats reject you, why in the world would you think Republicans would suddenly embrace her?

You know the argument that I love from Clintonites? It's this one. Our candidate has so many scandals that she's been constantly attacked by Republicans for years. So these negatives are a POSITIVE because half the American voting population already know they can't stand her and won't vote for her. As a result, the Republicans can't hurt her anymore.

You have got to love that logic. She's so damaged as a candidate that it's a strength. Only from the mind of Billary.

anon-p....... I happen to think for the most part that you are very close to the truth most times......

Bye Bye: Uh, ever heard of Jon Favreau?

Barack Obama's flip side revealed

"... the comments were not a total departure: On the campaign trail, Obama can reveal moments of aloofness or tone deaf reactions that belie his image as the epitome of polished.

The remarks, recorded at the Sunday fundraiser by a Huffington Post blogger and published Friday, opened a fresh round of scrutiny about Obama’s ability to connect with blue-collar workers.

“What I found to be most revealing was that these remarks were made several thousand miles from us, at a very expensive fundraising campaign event in a very upscale location where he did not think any of us were going to hear what he would say,” said Harrisburg Mayor Stephen R. Reed, a Clinton supporter. “It invites the question of what else does this candidate think about all the different people who make up our redder, diverse nation."

At a New Hampshire roundtable in December, Obama betrayed little emotion as one participant sobbed while describing her situation: She lost her job on her 65th birthday, struggles to afford her $2,900 monthly prescription drug costs, and lives in 30-year-old trailer where the thermostat is set at 64 degrees.

At the same event, he later mentioned how the success of his book had allowed him to buy a big house. He was making a point about inequities in the tax system, but the story felt misplaced in the midst of such dire tales."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9567.html

Burrito -- I no longer live in a small town, but I still have very close ties. Most in my home town are Republican. Most go to church. Most own guns. Some are rabidly anti-illegal immigration to the point that it becomes bigoted. Others take a more thoughtful position. And still others depend of immigrant migrant workers for harvest.

I personally think they have voted against their own economic good many times. But I don't think they shoot those guns or go to church because they're bitter about the economy. What they DO -- is go down to the cafe for coffee and bitch about the government.

Tom,

You say Barack attacks Clinton and yet point to a Karl Rove memo? In fact, one written before the first primary? Where is the actually Obama attack you speak of, not some guilt by association type.

New poll out. http://americanresearchgroup.com/

Craig:

Your prerence for middle-of-the-road politicians is not "unconscious?" Well...you always SAY that you don't take sides, don't vote, etc, in order to be able to function as a journalist.

I was just noting the fact that you do sometimes reveal that you're not totally neutral. But it's never too obvious, unlike many of the "political commentators" on TV. And you're a lot funnier than most of them, who take politics WAY too seriously.

I mean, look at the crap we're arguing about today: are small town folks bitter? One HAS to laugh about that.

I would never consider quitting wih those numbers.

Since Obama is perceived as more "progressive" than Hillary, the people on this blog, with a few exceptions, have become strongly pro-Hillary. As Obama keeps winning, and she keeps losing, their antipathy towards him gets stronger.

Posted by: nash

As a Hillary supporter I take some pleasure in your lamentable incite, my criticism has always been about Barack Obama's weakness and his gifted dishonesty, and finally his associations listed daily by MAX. BO's winning or losing is NOT a factor, it is his arrogance and his admirable ability to deceive.

gets to face McCain. McCain can use her own words against her.
Posted by: nash

In an early debate BO questioned Clinton's honesty and was rebuffed by Dodd and Richardson. He was the first to go negative and saying someone is untrustworthy makes a quality sound bite.

toast

"There was a lot of truth to Obama's remarks -- "

Of course you don't dog....aren't you the one who made a comment about not having to worry about crime in your upscale neighborhood etc, etc. I remember thinking, Whoa...Obama better hope she isn't campaigning for him with that attitude....

There is a growing buzz that Obama is Marxist. I first heard about it a few weeks ago and now this latest William Kristol hit job.

This kind of attack is beyond the pale but not beyond what Obama can look forward to should he be the Democratic nominee in the fall. The whisper campaign is getting louder and louder in a crescendo of crap.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/14/opinion/14kristol.html?th&emc=th

Temple University poll just released:

Hillary Clinton: 47%
Barack Obama: 41%

John Murtha said Hillary will win by double digits!!! This must be Clinton math.

Thanks for the insight Patsi.

I always thought of small town people as being really proud, and for the most part kind. The only people I know in a small town is my dogs' breeder. I am sure they have guns, I know they are not bitter, and who knows about the church thing or their political views.

I know some really rich bitter people who cling to their cars, and their memberships. They aren't white or black they are orange......LOL

Who gets the orange vote?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/04/democrats-get-your-guns.html#comment-67184

"Your preference for middle-of-the-road politicians is not "unconscious? ... -- posted by nash"

not at all, nash, wrote most of a chapter about it in my first book

"someone who will retain the Powers of a Dictator "

Anon -- Hillary is the only candidate who has even addressed the need to roll back some of these powers.

Who cares if he is a Marxist? Marxist economic theory isn't a bad thing.

Hey Mimi,

I also heard that Obama was in the polygamy temple at the time of the raid...was the guy with the fire extinguisher during the Olympic torch run..and likes to Tazer little kids while on the campaign trail.

And since Bill Krystal said this Marxist thing, it must be taken seriously. I mean, this is the guy who help craft the neo con foreign policy Middle East plan that has been so successful. When you talk credibility, you talk Billy.

hey all, when you put poll numbers up try to find the undecideds and include. i am trying to remember to do that but often that is difficult to find in media reports of polls. usually you have to go to the pollster's site or dig in deep to find it. but the undecideds, especially if a high number, helps us see how fluid single-digit leads can be.

The NYT today has a devastating article about how the insurance industry is gleefully exploiting the "Tier IV" mess in Bush's Medicare prescription drug plan.

In short, the co-payments for critical drugs just rose to alarming levels. (And will most likely continue to.)

I know both Senators Clinton and Obama voted against the bill.

Does anyone here know what either candidate proposes to do about the growing Tier IV disaster? (Read the article -- you'll agree that is the state of things.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/14/us/14drug.html?hp

If Hillary quit a few weeks ago, look at all the fun we would of been missing. Keep it going until August, at least it will be entertaining.

Back tracking Barry Obama says he didn't mean bitter just like he and his Rev who is back in the news don't hate Amurica...just another misunderstanding by the voters who are too stupid to know what he really meant.

Kind of doubt the Republicans needed anyone to tell them what to say about baseless Barry. He has provided that roadmap himself. Mr. Latte te da..who only shops at wholefoods and didn't know they don't grow argula in Iowa..

Watch out Rev Wright said Hannity had a stupid fantasy that will keep him forever stuck on stupid when it comes to comprehending how you can love a brother who does not believe what you believe. He will be in full attack mode later.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/13/jeremiah-wright-sounds-off-at-eulogogy-for-chicago-judge/

Who said this? Answer will follow.

"Listen to this morning’s “Meet the Press” if you want an example. Tim Russert, one of the smartest guys on television, interviewed four political consultants – Carville and Matalin, Bob Schrum, and Michael Murphy. Political consultants are paid huge sums to help politicians spin words and avoid real talk. They’re part of the problem. And what do Russert and these four consultants talk about? The potential damage to Barack Obama from saying that lots of people in Pennsylvania are bitter that the economy has left them behind; about HRC’s spin on Obama’s words (he’s an “elitist,” she said); and John McCain’s similarly puerile attack.

Does Russert really believe he’s doing the nation a service for this parade of spin doctors talking about potential spins and the spin-offs from the words Obama used to state what everyone knows is true? Or is Russert merely in the business of selling TV airtime for a network that doesn’t give a hoot about its supposed commitment to the public interest but wants to up its ratings by pandering to the nation’s ongoing desire for gladiator entertainment instead of real talk about real problems.

We’re heading into the worst economic crisis in a half century or more. Many of the Americans who have been getting nowhere for decades are in even deeper trouble. Large numbers of people in Pennsylvania and across the nation are losing their homes and losing their jobs, and the situation is likely to grow worse. Consumers are at the end of their ropes, fuel and food costs are skyrocketing, they can’t go deeper into debt, they can’t pay their bills. They aren’t buying, which means every business from the auto industry to housing to even giant GE is hurting. Which means they’ll begin laying off more people, and as they do, we will experience an even more dangerous downward spiral.

Bitter? You ain’t seen nothing yet. And as much as people like Russert, Carville, Matalin, Schrum, and Murphy want to divert our attention from what’s really happening; as much as HRC and McCain seek to make political hay out of choices of words that can be spun cynically by the mindless spinners of the old politics; as much as demagogues on the right and left continue to try to channel the cumulative frustrations of Americans into a politics of resentment – all these attempts will, I hope, prove futile. Eighty percent of Americans know the nation is on the wrong track. The old politics, and the old media that feeds it, are irrelevant now."

Shhh...Annie Oakley's speaking...

Shes getting tepid applause at the AAM.

MSNBC became so bored with her speech, that the screen just went black.

obama better be ready for Hannity's stop Obama express. He's seen nothing yet.

msnbc down on hillary? Alert the media!

Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 11:22 AM

Oh look a dickhead is posting
hard to keep two screens for screeds open is it?

vadaryl: use some logic. Why would Hannity be so particularly intent on derailing Obama?

And Limbaugh advising his listeners to vote for Hillary?

Hello in there?

Good for ratings!

Damn that MSM! I just changed it to CNN to see if they were interested in Hillary but alas, they're running a dog bites boy story. Just another case of the MSM being in the tank for Obama.

Why is he on the William Ayers story everynight. No one else is.

Dog......they'd to that because they know you'd fall for it?

Any guesses on who is author of critique on MTP and talking heads not understanding "bitter"?

And...Annie Oakley's back! Whew. I was scared that I'd miss her double talk on NAFTA (you know, Penn/Columbia, Bill/NAFTA/Donors).

Bye Bye Billary's post to BewareTheBelievers: "Barack, uh, writes his own speeches. So that would mean, well, that his words in speeches and his extemporaneous words are the same. So your argument falls flatter than Hillary's Gallop poll numbers."

Bye Bye Billary, Obama writes his own speeches! Yeah, right! Guess Obama wrote the "just words" speech that was copied from Deval Patrick's speech and delivered almost word for word with the same intonations and inflections.

Come on BBB, surely you have noticed a major difference in Obama's off-the-cuff comments and his speeches. As long as he sticks word for word to a speech he's great; but, let him stop to speak in his own words and suddenly his body language changes and he's goofy, smart aleck, and arrogant in his statements or, worse, he's flat out wrong on what he states as a fact!

BBB, you should know that your using the term "Billary" does not reflect well upon you or your intellect.

but of course "BB" does apply to the intellectual power he is exerting......

Gore...guess Barry's sucking up didn't do any good.
Gore still not interested in Obama and we all already know he doesn't like the Clinton's. Kind of like Kerry blaming Bill for his defeat as well.

All the losers have coalesed around Obama.

"Obama Spin Level of Difficulty: 9.7"

ROFL - great headline...

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/obama-spin-leve.html

even better blog post...and from Tapper no less...

No fair Googling.

Did anyone besides me think of Gail Davis this morning?

4b: "All the losers have coalesed around Obama."

Well that statement's not bitter. Not even a little bit!

"the disingenuousness of blaming a wife whose husband cheated on her is a core trait of republicans"

as well as being a core trait of misogynists...no matter what party they belong to. There is plenty of evidence of it on this very blog.

Carl Berstein on the mess that would be the Hillary Presidency.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-bernstein/what-will-a-hillary-clint_b_96435.html

First let me state that I do not like the tone or name calling in the following article. I went hunting because of a passing reference this am over Sen. Obama's mother collecting welfare when he was a child and having that strike a sour note in connection to a second marriage when he was young, grandparents with a good income, and several other vague items.

What I found was this obviously right wing opinion piece with newspaper and speech references that you will need to wade through to figure out what might be real or in need of close fact checking, but it is interesting in light of his remarks getting all the news time.

http://www.pr-inside.com/why-did-barack-obama-s-mother-apply-r155612.htm

Huffingtonpost has a new poll showing Hillary 20 points ahead in PA.

(I'd post a link but I'm going to make you Hillary people work for it.)

it is the ARG poll
Hill is leading PA by 21 pointys..
told you twice last week, she is going to wipe him out

maybe also we could check in on Nora Ephron's assessment of Bernstein's judgement.......

Vad...Katie is most definitely on the Obama bandwagon...no doubt about it. She will coddle him...just like they all do...don't expect much from Katie...

From Andy Borowitz at HuffPo:

Sen. Clinton seemed to back off from her earlier claims of hunting experience, saying that she had "misspoke" about her hunting exploits as a child.

"I fired a gun once, but I didn't like it, and I didn't recoil," she said.

here's what HRC said at her presser yeserday, it's as far as she went (that i've found), stopped short of naming names -- would be an interesting folo to press her to name names, see if she includes Gore:

"You don't have to think back too far to remember that good men running for president were viewed as being elitist and out of touch with the values and lives of millions of Americans," Clinton said.

OK...I admit...this is one of the crappy polls but how come last week ARG had O and Hillary tied in PA and this week Hillary is up by 20...appears the poll was taken this weekend right around the time Obama's "people in small towns who don't vote for me are bitter, typical white, gun loving bigots" comment came to light.

I predict a bad week for Obama.

http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres08/padem8-705.html

I guess this is the first indication of what folks in those small towns in PA really think of what Obama thinks of them. Can't wait for some of the better polls (SurveyUSA) to do their polling this week.

:-D

Nash

Carl Bernstein? Another man who disses women with regularity. Ever read "Heartburn"?

http://www.amazon.com/Heartburn-Nora-Ephron/dp/0679767959

And that is nobility for you, dissing Bernstein with the ex wife who has endorsed Obama... lol

and for some local coverage we have:

"With signs of "I'm not bitter" posted near Obama's headquarters, many protesters said they were offended by his comment.

"(We're) just drawing attention to the fact that we are extremely offended by his remarks -- his characterization of Pennsylvania," Joyce Posel said."

As reported by a Pittsburgh TV station

:-D

I agree with Flatus on Kerry. He was a horrible choice of nominee. Even as long as it's been, far prefer this year's nominating race to 2004.

I stil think Edwards should have been the nominee. He connected, is fast on his feet and would have been a better candidate against GWBush. I think he could have beaten him. Kerry was his own albatross, and look how close he came. In our GOP leaning precinct, people came out of the woodwork to vote against W.

Perhaps Hillary's "time" was 2004 and she passed, thinking 2008 would be easier for her. Ya snooze ya lose.

Gore would have been an excellent president, but he never seemed himself during his campaign -- remember the phony populist attempt? -- and I think he erred in not using Bill Clinton more to campaign for him.

Bill Clinton was still a major asset and those people who detested WJC were not likely to vote for Gore anyway. They went with GWBush -- who, to his credit, has yet to become embroiled in any kind of personal sexual scandal, although his administration has run the table on the other kinds.

hmmm.....let's see......Adlai Stevenson, McGovern, Humphrey-McCarthy, Jimmie Carter 2nd run, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry......that's the choices......pick 3.

then there's the winners......JFK, LBJ ist run, Carter 1st run then whacked by far left Teddy Kennedy, and Wm Clinton two times a winner.

Wendy -- I heard a pollster over the weekend say that the impact of Obama's comments won't show up for a few days because it took a while for people to hear about it unless they were cable tv addicts.

oh.....LBJ knocked out of second run by RFK

Wendy!: I fully expect the initial polls to decline for Obama, but the ones done mid- and late week will be more accurate. Think I even said that over the weekend.

Honestly, who do you think will do with Independents in the general, Clinton or Obama?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/axsbe8n7wrre

actually.......it's those voting from here on out one has to watch.......not polls.....what did the polls say before New Hampshire?

Burrito,

I live in a small town in rural upstate New York. The three churches are well attended on Sunday mornings, but all have a decidedly older crowd. My Catholic parish is served by a priest, who also covers parishes in two neighboring towns.

The folks with gun racks in their pickups aren't normally in church. I'm sure many of them consider themselves God-fearing, but they feel they have more important things to do on Sunday morning.

All the political offices in the town and county are held by Republicans, except for the Town Clerk, who used to work as a teller in the same bank branch where I worked. The amazing thing is that Hillary was well-received when she campaigned for her Senate seat here. Not much bitterness here. Just folks living close to the land.

Wendy!: re polling:

the early polls will answer: do people have ears?

The later polls will tell: what's going on between them?

Ed -- Do you mean Gail Davies the singer/producer?

"and you can't expect Hillary to react favorably to a perceived gaffe anymore than I can expect Obama to."

And as he didn't. I don't know what all the whining by Obama, his supporters and the MSM is over Obama getting flack for his ignorant comment. His campaign was more than happy to create radio ads out of a stupid comment by Hillary (which she also backpedaled out of an apologized...but still said the stupid thing she said) and plastered them all over Mississippi running up to the primary.

Now Obama and his supporters are crying because Hillary is doing something similar to him over an ignorant comment he made? That is the height of hypocrisy. Obama needs to stop crying and carrying on and just suck it up and take.

On going negative first:

From the December 20 edition of CNN's Anderson Cooper 360:

COOPER: Jennifer, in New Hampshire is there the perception that Hillary Clinton is being singled out unfairly?

I want to read you something that Time magazine's editor at large mentioned to The Washington Post, Mark Halperin. He said: "She's just held to a different standard in every respect. The press rooted for Obama to go negative. When he did, he was applauded. When she does it, it's treated as this huge violation of propriety. It's not a level playing field."

PHIL DONAHUE: Well, they're doing it in an entirely different way.

When Barack Obama went negative on Hillary Clinton, he did it after Edwards did, first of all. He grilled it and got it ready. And then Obama flipped it, and he basically did it in a way that was policy-based, issue-based.

whinin and cryin and carryin on

suck up and take it

there's your country song

No Patsi,

I'm pretty sure I've got the spelling right. Gail Davis. You'd have to be in my age group to get the reference. Dex will likely know her, but he's probably not up yet.

hmmmmm......
it looks like Obama has stepped into a big pile of doo doo this past weekend....

I agree that with those that think Obama's statement wasn't meant to diss small town voters...... the problem is that's the way it was perceived.....

I took a look at Craig's last book's table of contents and came up with several titles to chapters that I think say quite a bit about Obama's misstep....

Rule #2.... Better to Boldy Assert Than Cautiously Deny...
Rule#11... Arrogance Makes an Easy Target....
Rule#12...Most Would Rather Follow a Leader Than Lead a Following...
Rule#13...Those Who Prefer to Lead a Following Cannot Be Trusted...
Rule #15...Leading the Way for Change Seldom Pays...

and this one is just for Patsi....
Rule#19... In Dealing with Passive Aggression, Be More Passive and More Aggressive.....

BTW.... I too live in a very small rural town in southern NH..... there's plenty of churches and lots of guns....... neither of which my hubby and I pay any attention to.....

Whatever Wendy. The comments were not ignorant and Obama should not even have apologized.

If there is going to be this type of outcry everytime a politician tells us a hard truth - this Country is going to take a real long time to get its act together.

We have had almost 8 years of a President telling us what he thinks we want to hear - and that my friends - needs to change.

I love how for weeks the Clintonites whine and complain about MSNBC playing "gotcha" politics - and then the moment it is their turn - Obama is the Crawford Trail Mix "WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD!!!!"

And finally - the man got "caught" telling an uncomfortable truth that a lot of people don't want to hear. He did not get caught telling a bald-faced lie to embellish his National Security bona fides. There is a difference in my book. A big one...

"Gail Davis"

Aha! I googled and found out the reference, Ed -- Annie Oakley! Good one. Loved that show...just didn't remember the name.

Yeah, I don't think the comment was ignorant. Not as well phrased as it needed to be for a wider audience, maybe. I still have not listened to the audio, and people hear what they are attuned to anyway.

Although in politics perception can be as important as reality.

Nash -- I don't recall Hillary talking about "hunting exploits." She spoke about being with her father on some of his hunts. I could say the same thing. What it means is that you have some understanding of that culture. I didn't much care for the hunt either. But I dang sure ate the pheasant.

Der Anti-christ: short little book should explain it........
http://www.fns.org.uk/ac.htm

"I agree with Flatus on Kerry. He was a horrible choice of nominee. Even as long as it's been, far prefer this year's nominating race to 2004.

I stil think Edwards should have been the nominee. He connected, is fast on his feet and would have been a better candidate against GWBush."

Dog...I have to say...this is a very good day...we agree. I thought Kerry was a horrible nominee but was happy Edwards was on the ticket even though he probably should have been at the top of the ticket. I'm not sure the outcome would have been different...but one never knows.

"I heard a pollster over the weekend say that the impact of Obama's comments won't show up for a few days because it took a while for people to hear about it unless they were cable tv addicts."

So Patsi...you mean it could get worse? Poor Obomie...

;-)

"Rule#19... In Dealing with Passive Aggression, Be More Passive and More Aggressive....."

ROFL!

Let’s see now:

Mrs. Clinton risked her life in Tiananmen Square

She shook Dr. King’s hand, which seems ironic being a “Goldwater Girl”

Oh, and she swung her book bag across the room when he was assassinated

Bosnia (you know that story)

Sir Edmund Hillary (you should know that story)

Was opposed to NAFTA when in fact she did speaking engagements to support it

She brought peace to Northern Ireland

Now she duck hunts (that one is so funny I’m still ROFLMAO)

Planted questions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgboYZgt-ag

On and on and on and on; so many lies

Such is the life of a pathological liar who we know will do anything to become president. Lies are what we have lived with for almost eight years. Isn't it time for the truth!

Happy to be in agreement, Wendy!

People kept telling me that Edwards did not have enough "experience", but look what he was up against!

Bush still wasn't qualified to be president yet he was running for re-election. Sorely lacking judgment and any concern for the Constitution he swore to uphold, protect and defend. (Except any parts dealing with impeachment or touching on executive privilege.)

Actually very glad to find a point of agreement.

I wonder if we will ever get the full story on Ohio or the exit polls discrepancy. At first I thought it was sour grapes whining; now I am less sure.

Thanks to EdVB - your town sound very nice.

RebelliousRenee - Thanks for your input , too.

you guys are so active today i'm going to have to put up a new thread sooner than usual. topic suggestions?

Dog...I think you might be right...there probably is a country song in there.

To say that rural people tote guns because they are bitter about the economy is extremely ignorant. Guys with gun racks in their pickups, and that would have included my dad, often needed those guns. For a long time -- though not much anymore -- the rattlesnake population around my hometown was huge. Guys riding tractors often took their rifles along for lower that population. My dad even had a big bull snake he liked to have around outside the house in hopes of keeping rattlers away.

Does anyone have FACEBOOK? To amuse myself I play TV trivia, having been a total television addict in my past... I am playing something called TV Squares. Anyway here is my profile:

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?

This may not be as invigorating as politics, but I find it a lot more fun !!!

Posted by: The Goldwater Girl | April 14, 2008 12:39 PM

Poster is a Bush voter.

"Whatever Wendy. The comments were not ignorant and Obama should not even have apologized."

Whatever Warren...the comments were ignorant...just because you agree with him that people in small towns are bitter typical white gun loving bigots doesn't mean other people don't see them as ignorant.

And he hasn't really apologized...so you should be happy about that since you clearly agree with him.

He should however apologize and say he didn't mean to call a very important democratic constituency come the general election bitter gun loving bigots.

It's also quite fun to watch Obomie's supporters run around trying to cover up his ignorance.

If this were an isolated incident with Obomie...I'd say it was a stupid comment but when I take all of it into consideration ("typical white people" Michelle Obama's comments...too many to list, her thesis - which I've now read and let's not forget his religious mentor for the last 20 years Rev. Wright and now this). It's a pattern...not a mistake. Taken all together one can see a distinct reflection of how he really feels about certain segments of of our society.

He meant what he said the first time. Those voters in PA won't vote for me because they are bitter, gun loving bigots. He used different words...but that's what he said and that is what he meant.

Now go back to spinning around the blog Warren.

Craig: topic: how much religion does belong in politics? At what point does appealing to those with religious faith endanger the goals of a secular state?

I was vaguely disturbed by the "Compassion Forum" last night -- seemed to be as much an opportunity to pander to the faithful as for voters to gain any insights.

It is sad that an atheist has very little chance of attaining national political office. Meanwhile Warren Buffett -- an agnostic -- is revered in the business world.

And if there were any Muslim or Buddhist reps in the audience last night, I did not see it. (Although I missed most of the program.)

pogo...

This link is for you and anyone else who may be interested.

"Under the Bush-Yoo theories, all Bush has to do is pronounce a detainee "an unlawful enemy combatant" -- whether a U.S. citizen or not, whether there is any credible evidence or not -- and the person loses all human rights.

As radical -- and as shocking -- as these theories may seem to many Americans, Bush is within one vote on the U.S. Supreme Court of having his vision enshrined as "constitutional.""

http://politicsplus.blogspot.com/2008/04/constitution-can-we-keep-it.html

I'll post another link later when I get home this afternoon which you also may find interesting.

well, dog, i must admit i opted for John Adams and Tracey Ullman over the compassion forum last night, but get your drift -- don't look for God in politicians, that's what churches are for -- or, as bobby knight once said, God doesn't give a damn about college basketball

"People kept telling me that Edwards did not have enough "experience", but look what he was up against!"

ROFL - I know - but GWB still won...ugh...if we could just go back and do it over again...perhaps Edwards would be running for re-election and we'd all probably be friends.

By the time the primary even got to CA it was over so my vote didn't count. I guess that does make this primary season a little bit exciting even if it is contentious.

[sigh]

Wendy:

You new catch phrase is pretty cool. I bet if you keep repeating in almost every post - some people will actually think Obama said that.

The politics of "distortion and distraction" are not going to win this year. Sorry Wendy. HRC better come up with an affirmative reason to vote for her - not just trumped up charges to drown out the news coverage of Bill Clinton's statement - that was actually untrue - as opposed to just not being politically correct.

OK...the gun comment and the religion comment isn't even the part of this that makes me maddest. Yes, it's what the MSM is focusing on and the only part of this Hillary has hit him on.

The part that makes me maddest is the "antipathy to people who are not like them" He called small town people bigots and insinuated that they take out their economic problems on immigrants and others that aren't like them. Am I naive enough to believe there are not bigots in this country...no...but why would you characterize everyone in a small town that way just because they don't vote for you. Why, when you need their support in a general election would you even admit you feel that way...even if you do and even if some smidgen of it might be true? The most offensive part of this is the part that is not getting talked about...it's that he went to the West Coast and stood around with a bunch of rich folks and called small town American's bigots. That's what the MSM should be discussing and he is DARN lucky Hillary decided not to go there and stuck with the guns and religion part. The Republicans will go there.

"Well do you want a President who thinks you're a bigot or someone who shares your cultural values?"

Andrea Mitchell just said Hillary was "beating up" on Obama.... my, my, my How could anyone think to accuse MSNBC of using "loaded" language when it comes to Hillary.

If it weren't so ugly, I might have to congratulate them on their A grade in propaganda. They would do well as a substitute for Pravda.

Hey, I would have been watching John Adams too if I had HBO.

Need to get a satellite dish; Cox charges through the nose for the hundreds of channels we already don't watch.

Dog

"The later polls will tell: what's going on between them?"

You've changed allegiance to Sen. Clinton?

I would have gladly supported Edwards if Hillary wasn't in the race. He is a decent man.

Warren...he did say it...he just used synonyms for the words I chose.

It will be interesting to see if the media starts to shift more toward Hil'ry after her slamdunk in PA.

Topic suggestion:
Trolls - Why not to respond directly to them.
Why Obama would be an impotent Dem nom.
Or my favorite topic, Boycott Beijing. (Yeah, I know, we've got a lot of advertising dollars and other investments at stake.)

When I lived in Texas, a person could have a gun in their car, and stop at a convenient store, pick up a single can of ice cold beer (waiting on ice in a bucket)...the store provided a perfectly sized brown paper bag...and off you go drinking and drinking with a loaded rifle.

That just blew my mind when I saw that.

However, you couldn't get a Bloody Mary at Sunday brunch before 1:00pm.

We've heard so many times that candidate X isn't qualified to be president or candidate Y is better qualified or candidate Z is best qualified.

If I was ever to run for president and I was asked why I thought I was qualified, I would say that, according to Article II of our Constitutional I meet every qualification to be president. And, because of that, I'm going to run and I ask each and every one of you for your support.

It would have been over the top if I asked for their unqualified support.

Wendy - If Edwards had been at the top of the ticket instead of that impotent, boob, Kerry, the Dems would've won. Doesn't give me much hope that they will pick the right nom this time.

Jamie: Nah, that's a very neutral statement.

But know you were teasing, anyway.

Btw, Wendy - I am from a small town....

blueNdallas

I hear ya. They think they know better...the Dems might just be "out of touch" which is why they keep losing.

ub - Things have changed. There's an open container law down here & lots of the dry areas are gone. Not sure about the Sunday blue law, though.

Somebody get Wendy a Bloody Mary - I think her head is about to explode...

Warren,

Do you think that small town people are like what Obama said?

Thanks Warren but I don't drink...that's why I have a clear head and can make sound choices about who would make a better President...unlike some (Warren) who show up with hangovers.

UB:

Absolutely. And I think Obama was spot on in terms of the immigration issue.

I have said this before - I don't attribute this to ignorance. I think it is that people is small towns often focus much more on work and their families (and of course sports) as opposed to politics. So when you don't pay attention to an issue like immigration - you often resort to quoting back a few sound bytes you hear. And many people in small town parrot Lou Dobbs since he is the most vocal on this issue.

"I don't drink"

Exactly what I thought Wendy - you are an elitist!!

(j/k)

"So when you don't pay attention to an issue like immigration - you often resort to quoting back a few sound bytes you hear."

Warren = apologist and finding new and creative ways to help Obama call small town American's bigots and now "ignorant" as well.

Earlier this morning rabid Obama supporters foaming at the mouth supporting Obama and just like their guru maharajah Obama there was lots of flowery speech with precious substance as to why we should vote for Obama. all they could do was cry and have childish tantrums of insulting anyone that disagrees with them and simply state Obama is the best fund raiser and delegate leader so therefore Hillary should bow out of the race and allow the messiah Obama to receive his anointment nomination and choose his "Heir Apparent"

I laid out in my blog site carefully a substantive valid reasons to vote for Hillary. I am sorry I could not post it here due to excessive length but anyone can read and comment on it if they so choose @ http://heathercuttie.blogspot.com/

Thank you.

--Heather

Never trust a person who self proclaims their own words as "substantive".

Yeah, I'm back.

"I don't drink"

Exactly what I thought Wendy - you are an elitist!!

(j/k)

Posted by: warren | April 14, 2008 1:23 PM

A lot of people don't drink Warren - it's called SOBRIETY

Heather:

foaming at the mouth

just like their guru maharajah Obama

cry and have childish tantrums

messiah Obama

receive his anointment nomination
=============

Where did you acquire your debate team experience?

GORDO's online U?

Bye Bye Billary how can i miss you if you never go away?

When varations on this Wall Street Journal op-ed start showing up in rural and small city news papers Obama is toast. Stick a fork in him he's done.

It is a devastating op-ed
It hits every point that will be used by the republicans to destroy Obama.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120813002456911531.html?mod=opinion_main_review_and_outlooks

Jack

9/11...

Finally caught up on this morning's posts, and went back to read the article you linked. What trouble! The pharmaceuticals 'own' people who must have their newer, overpriced drugs that have no generic equivalent. As evil as big oil is, big pharma is moreso. To place the medical care people need out of reach is beyond evil.

I pay attention to what's being talked about this political season (it really doesn't differ much from any other political season), and what frightens me is how easily we Americans are made to look at the spinning tops while the real disasters are taking place off-stage and out of sight.

Big business' ownership of our politicians and, therefore, our government, is dangerously out of control. Bush has made two Supreme Court appointments, both of whom have missed NO opportunities to side with big business over people.

If for no other reason than that the next president may have the opportunity to appoint up to THREE supreme court justices...

VOTE DEMOCRAT!
No matter who the nominee is.

Blue

"Boycott Beijing" Hillary had quite a lot to say about this in relation to shipping not only jobs but intellectual property to China so that companies with military contracts could save money with the end result that the Chinese improve their military and we have to buy back products that our military needs.

Apparently the Bush folk approved this move despite the industry here begging them not to. It's not just Tinker Toys anymore.

harborwoman,

Thanks for reading the article.

We can add to that the many insurers that have a bizarre six month delay on covering newly FDA approved meds.

I have been re-reading articles about the Medicare/prescription drug bill dating back to 1996. As I mentioned Senators Clinton and Obama both voted against the bill.

I'm trying to apply what's online about their plans to the Tier IV issue and not succeeding. What I'm finding are more claims about the effectiveness of the proposals (file under "happy endings") to the means to reversing this big pharmacentric free-for-all.

And, yes -- three quarters of every vote I cast in a primary or general election is about the Supreme Court.

AP, thanks - that takes us back to one common ground issue that most of us agreed on before the primary contests began. As you well know, I have been a staunch opponent of Guantanamo, military tribunals for civilian detainees, enemy combatant status and extraordinary rendition, as IMHO all those are contrary to and constitute end runs around the rights guaranteed by our Bill of Rights and the 14th Amendment. Indefinite detention because the president thinks you may have some connection to terr'ists is horrifying, and should be enough to make any voter give a hale and hearty f*ck you and the ass you rode in on to McCain, who from all appearances, would continue these practices as part of the WarOnTerra. Now there's an issue you and I agree on, and believe it reflects a certain, err, reichish quality to governance.

9/11...

If you want to go back to the beginnings of the pharmaceutical takeover, I think you need to look at the two Reagan terms, and the passage of bills such as Bayh-Dole. Reagan was convinced by big business that deregulation was the way to go, but I wonder if he truly understood what he was unleashing. For that matter, I wonder if some of our current politicians understand what they unleash with some of their choices...or if they only look at the large contributions and delightful perks big business provides them.

If you come to any conclusions about the effect either Clinton or Obama's health care proposals might have on the Tier IV issue, I'd love to read them.

Man he is such a jerk, that Billo.

whskyjack:

I hardly need to charm misogynistic rude males with an inferiority complex and are threatened by powerful women

Here's another link on Prescription Drugs you can read that talks about Tier IV drugs.

"Health insurance companies are rapidly adopting a new pricing system for very expensive drugs, asking patients to pay hundreds and even thousands of dollars for prescriptions for medications that may save their lives or slow the progress of serious diseases."

http://politicsplus.blogspot.com/2008/04/signs-of-times-class-warfare.html

Just want everyone to consider something today. There is a give and take, an ebb and flow to life, -but in this post - to a blog, and when it is going well, we should all try to enjoy it .

Peace everyone ~

dog hussein dog - what did you lace that biscuit with? : )

harborwoman,

There very few specifics on either site which address any reforming of the Medicare/prescription drug plan.

Again, results get claimed.

How they get achieved, I suppose, will result from either experience or hope.

Well... after Reagan I'll throw in the botched Health Care disaster which Senator Clinton and Ira Magaziner ran into the ground and straight through to the earth's molten core --

Which opened a hole big enough for the insurance industry to come up with "managed care" and HMOs which are reaching another zenith of degradation with these new co-pays..

Back to the present -- I'm looking for Senator Edwards' plan which, from what I remember I read, was more detailed.

I like powerful women.

I am surprised how Democrats have allowed Obama to degrade, devalue and revise the William Jefferson Clinton presidency. Clinton was the only Democrat to be reelected since FDR. He left office with a 65% approval rating, the highest since WWII. But many Democrats were certainly happy to throw Bill under the bus when Obama announced that Bill didn't change the trajectory of the country. Whatever Obama says, right?

Posted by: Ally | April 14, 2008 9:06 AM

Very good point !!! Obama has taken many pot shots at Bill Clinton's Presidency as a tactic to get to Mrs. Clinton.

burrito: Trader Joe's peanut butter snack, I think.

Least you forget that AARP which in my opinion is nothing more than a Insurance Broker pushed the Prescription Drug Plan that was passed by Our Government.

That is one of the many reasons that I throw their junk mail out when I get it. They sold out the elderly and their members when they endorsed this bogus plan for its members.

9/11, the basis for your voting is one thing we have in common.

And wrt the big pharma lock on name brand expensive drugs and lockout of generic equivalent manufacturers, we represent one of those generic equivalent manufacturers, and I can tell you from personal experience, the big boys are ruthless in enforcing their patent rights.

I like powerful women.

Posted by: warren | April 14, 2008 2:17 PM

Warren as in wearing black, face masks and carrying "accessories"?

NEW THREAD up in 3 minutes, gotta run

AP - another point of agreement re: AARP junk mail(you aren't 50, are you?). But I am a card carrying AARP member - their discounts are better than AAA (also a card carrying member).

pogo,

Yeah, the drug patent game has become too similar to Sonny Bono's Copyright 4 Evah laws, both his own and his memorialists.

How to fight this in a funny and direct way?

I've been looking to see who would be willing to draft and sponsor legislation banning ALL consumer prescription drug advertising in all media.

My thought (very peccable) is that this is where they throw their money to make their patents more valuable over more time.

Take away the advertising...

And the value of the patent ain't so great.

Which will reduce marketing costs. Which will reduce drug prices.

And which will lead to a more reasonable turnaround to generic drugmakers.

Plus, it may bring on a silver age of physicial drug samples and get more of The Most Indispensable People Ever -- Pharma Reps! -- hired.

We must not nominate Barack Obama.

He can't win..

A 20 point swing in 1 week in Pennsylvania..Wonder what that is about..hmmmmmm

Jason..Things are looking up for Hillary..Guage her success by the shrillness of the usual suspects on this blog.