It’s not just words anymore. It’s fighting words between Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton.
With eight days to go before their next ballot showdown, the Democratic presidential rivals are getting personal, hurling insults back and forth like schoolyard kids.
Clinton portrays her foe as elite, out of touch and unelectable on the order of the party’s past failures, such as 2004 nominee John Kerry (who has endorsed Obama). In a fierce counter-offensive on Sunday, Obama sought to belittle Clinton for embracing gun rights in response to his recent remarks that such beliefs are the refuge of economically hard pressed voters
"She is running around talking about how this is an insult to sportsmen, how she values the Second Amendment,” Obama said. “She's talking like she's Annie Oakley."
Obama could not resist more firearm references. “Hillary Clinton is out there like she's on the duck blind every Sunday. She's packing a six-shooter.”
Their duel of words has finally turned to gunpowder.
Comments
After watching the video of Obama this morning on MoJo speaking Sunday night, he looks even more arrogant, elitist, and cocky than he did in the original video. I hope the MSM plays this all day long.
Posted by: ubns
| April 14, 2008 6:11 AM
Good Morning Craig, Everyone:
This is going to be a big week for me and I am looking forward to it although with ambivalent feelings of a new era for American Catholicism and it will be extremely fascinating how the backdrop of Pope Benedict XVI's visit will interact with the Presidential Candidates and the effect it will have.
I plan on being in NYC with my daughter during his visit to to NYC and also for the Yankee Stadium Mass. I wish I could have be at my alma mater for his impending visit there.
I have so much to say but will sound off later especially about the Catholic School Teachers will be on strike during the Pope's visit to New York
more later...
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 14, 2008 6:18 AM
"After watching the video of Obama this morning on MoJo speaking Sunday night, he looks even more arrogant, elitist, and cocky than he did in the original video."
I agree. He was jaw-droppingly arrogant.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 14, 2008 6:38 AM
Heather are you also Catholic?
I was at this years palm sunday mass in Rome. It was amazing.....Good to see it at least once in your lifetime.
You just gotta love Obama. I think as this goes on, the more the true colors will shine through. If he loses PA big, look for him to sharpen his blows.
You know what they say: "NECESSITY IS THE MOTHER OF INVENTION"
Holla......
Posted by: Jason | April 14, 2008 6:45 AM
With eight days to go before their next ballot showdown, the Democratic presidential rivals are getting personal, hurling insults back and forth like schoolyard kids.
---CC
they must be taking notes from the crawfordslist comment section.
Posted by: sturgeone | April 14, 2008 6:51 AM
I feel sorry for you , Sturge. LOL!
Posted by: Corey
| April 14, 2008 6:57 AM
Still,
It is amazing if you read comments from the different sites from the candidates.
The harshness that comes from the BO website and the niceness coming from HRC´s. The difference between the supporters of the two is striking......
In the weekend I was at the pub and got blasted for being an HRC supporter. It is difficult as a black man to not support a brither, but a white woman... I said wake up people..We in 2009, it is not about colour or gender, it is about BEING! They didn´t get it though....
However we still HRC dedidacted....
Rise Hillary Rise....
Posted by: Jason | April 14, 2008 7:04 AM
By the way , I was at work earlier this morning and our fire alarm went off. I think the time was about 12:40 a.m. I thought to myself "Why are they having a fire drill at this time of night?" We walked out to the parking lot. It was cold and I didn't have my coat because it was not anywhere near me when the fire alarm went off. While we were standing outside in the cold we were told this was NOT a fire drill. There WAS a fire in the building. The fire department was on it's way. We could not enter the building until the fire department told us it was safe. It turned out that a machine on the east side of our building caught on fire. Some of us waited in cars in the parking lot during this time , the smokers took advantage of the extra smoke break. The fire was put out and we were allowed to go back into the building after 30 minutes of being outside. The fire wasn't anywhere near where I work , it was on the other side of the building.
Posted by: Corey
| April 14, 2008 7:05 AM
Corey -- glad the fire wasn't in your section!
Posted by: Patsi
| April 14, 2008 7:11 AM
I was just watching Morning Joe and I was wondering when David
Axelrod would pop up to clean up Obama's messy chat at the San
Fran fund raiser. Sure enough, Obama's hit man is on the show.
Axelrod is so savvy, he scares me. Does anyone wonder who is really
running Obama-man?
Posted by: prof marcia
| April 14, 2008 7:11 AM
News Flash: Barack Obama trashes Annie Oakley! Now he not only looks down on church-going small town folks, but COWGIRLS! :):)
Posted by: Patsi
| April 14, 2008 7:13 AM
"Sure enough, Obama's hit man is on the show.
Axelrod is so savvy, he scares me. Does anyone wonder who is really
running Obama-man? "
Yes....the guy just drips smarm. One of the reasons I have grown to despise Obama's campaign is that he was obviously advised early on that to win he had to destroy or at least do great damage to Bill Clinton's presidency. His disregard for the Democratic party is obvious.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 14, 2008 7:17 AM
What is the credibility on this report....
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/13/report-carter-and-gore-to-team-up-against-clinton-to-end-her-presidential-bid/
Posted by: Jason | April 14, 2008 7:17 AM
The MSM has written Sen. Clinton off many times before, and they've been predicting utter doom unless she gets every primary vote and superdelegate committment from now until kingdom come. PA may surprise some folks as to how much she's still in this race.
Posted by: Mary Kitt-Neel
| April 14, 2008 7:24 AM
from that report, Jimmie Carter's words.
In an interview that aired Sunday on ABC News’ “This Week,” Carter said he will not endorse a candidate until the Democratic convention in August.
“The only thing I know is that, I have not made an endorsement, and don’t intend to, until the time of the convention, but so far as I know, all my children and grandchildren are supporting Obama,” Carter said. “I got permission, by the way, from my children and grandchildren, and their spouses, to reveal their intention. I haven’t yet revealed what my intention is directly, or my wife.”
The former president also said that superdelegates should be free to endorse whomever they feel is best able to lead — regardless of the popular choice in the caucuses and primary contests.
“Any superdelegate who wishes to deviate from that opinion should be perfectly free to do so,” Carter said. “My hometown, my county, my state went overwhelmingly for Obama. But if I decided later on to support Mrs. Clinton, I would feel free to do so.”
Posted by: sturgeone | April 14, 2008 7:25 AM
thanks sturgeone....
Posted by: Jason | April 14, 2008 7:32 AM
96 years ago today and what just may be a metaphor for this whole political season.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5le92UmPmU
Posted by: Jamie
| April 14, 2008 7:37 AM
"...hurling insults back and forth like schoolyard kids."
Come on Craig, they can do whatever they want on a weekend.
And it's better having the shoot-out now than after the convention.
I say, let them have at it.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 14, 2008 7:41 AM
For those who missed it on the last thread, calling Hillary Clinton "Annie Oakley" might have been a mistake. I can just see her walking out for a speaking engagement to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stF2mXucm_w
Posted by: Jamie
| April 14, 2008 7:43 AM
I just saw the Obama Annie Oakley clip on MoJo and to be honest: I threw up in my mouth. His demeanor was simply repulsive. I believe that when Senator Clinton spoke at the Compassion Forum last night about politics not being a "game," she was really referring to these Obama comments. I swear enough to make a pirate cry that I really wanted to knock that smirk off his face (and most of you know that I am usually pretty even-handed when it comes to my Obama comments...I am speaking from the heart here because I believe that many other people (women especially) will be as turned off as I was by these remarks by Senator Obama.
With regard to the same Obama comments, apparently he is the only one allowed to use the Republican playbook. Shame on Senator Clinton for acting like a Republican? What about those Harry and Louise ads Senator Obama flooded the Midwest with? How about calling Clinton "the most secretive politician in American?" How about the Senator from Punjab memo? (Whoops...forgot. He didn't see that one before it went out.)
Frankly I think the Clintons are holding way back in this campaign. There is a lot of "stuff" they could be using against Obama (mainly regarding his association with anti-Semites) and they aren't going for it. Don't think for a second that the Republicans have any reservations about using the real kitchen sink method. I would say the Clintons have been using more of a small kitchen junk drawer method so far.
Posted by: Ally
| April 14, 2008 7:43 AM
Patsi:
I'm glad someone agrees with me about Darth Axelrod.
I thought I was alone in my observation.
Cheers!
Posted by: prof marcia
| April 14, 2008 7:46 AM
Jamie, you're a sell out! Patsi, you're delusional. All of you Clintonites are going to be so depressed after your lying candidate has to drop out of the race. When you ask? After she gets her behind kicked in North Carolina and Indiana. Why can't you just face it? She's a terrible candidate who ran a terrible race. She has man issues (Bubba and Mark Penn) and can't tell the truth to save her life (still dodging them there bullets in Bosnia). Ah, it's so nice to watch her campaign go down in flames. The arrogance. The entitlement. The gender pandering. The racism. All came back like a karmic boomerang on her ass. Maybe she can have some more whiskey shooters to salve the wound of losing to Barack. LOL
Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 7:51 AM
Heather, what a wonderful opportunity for you and your daughter!
And, have you submitted her legacy admission application to ND?
Posted by: Flatus
| April 14, 2008 7:52 AM
Dear Jason:
I'm a cradle to grave catholic and glad to hear that you are a fellow catholic as well! Jason it is a great blessing to have been to the Vatican especially during Palm Sunday. I have been to both Vatican and The Holy City and consider myself truly blessed as a result.
======================================================
I hope we can have a moment of clarity here and and talk honestly about race and Obama. I have seen the term "arrogant" used recurrently and while that may be partially true it is not the truth in its totality.
Let the Obama supporters come at me with their ropes, tar and feathers, the truth is that Sen. Obama is a bigot to a certain extent. Simple basic common logic warrants it.
Obama for many years has attended Services at Pastor Wright's church and he has heard his ongoing rhetoric, so has his wife and through the ripple effect it has resonated in their personal feelings as they have clearly displayed in recent stumping events.
When people say this is the "real Obama" it's true. Lets not kid ourselves, where did he make this "embittered" speech? Yes he pulled a "Randi Rhoades" and said this little gem inside the bastion of depraved extreme left wing liberalism San Francisco because he knew full well that psychobabble would not fly in Peoria. All these Obama melodramas just add fuel to Hillary's case to the super-delegates for the nomination.
People that support Obama cannot see the forest for the trees, a recent Marist poll in NY had McCain/ Condoleezza Rice defeating any combination of Hillary/Obama soundly.
Obama supporters need a moment of sanity and reflect how can a Veep on the ticket such as Condi who is closely aligned with Bush and Bush policies... some have accused her of being less than honest during congressional hearings, plus, add the fact Bush's approval is at an all time low at 28% yet with her on the ticked with McCain they trounce the Democrats, what would it be like if things improve and become less favorable for the Democrats.
The GOP is ready... sure the democrats will say McBush and another four more years of Bush? The GOP will counter punch with with identifying Obama with words as "Liberal" "extremist" and "elitist" "tax and spend" in every sentence they say Sen. Barack Obama.
It's time for Obama supporters to mend the fences and get behind Hillary/Ford for 2008 that is a winning combination and the only path the Democrats have to the White House
It is time for the extreme left of our party to wake up before it is too late.
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 14, 2008 7:54 AM
"Clinton suggested that Obama's remark, which was made at a San Francisco fundraising event, was fresh evidence that he could not win the general election in the fall."
And that's when this really counts, people, in the fall.
"Obama lashed back, accusing Clinton of practicing the kind of politics in which "we tear each other down."
Exactly what does he expect the GOP would do to him if the Dems were short-sighted enough to give him the nom? He is coming unglued, making mistakes and imploding.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-forum14apr14,0,2285777.story
Posted by: blueINdallas | April 14, 2008 7:55 AM
Bye Bye......your observations are a bit premature, eh?
Posted by: sturgeone | April 14, 2008 7:55 AM
Bye Bye Billary,
At least us Hillary folks seem to maintain a more civil discourse than the
rather ranting Obama cheerleaders. What you fail to realize, Bye Bye,
is that many Clinton supporters simply will not support Obama
in the November election if he wins the primary. Who will be depressed
then?
Posted by: prof marcia
| April 14, 2008 7:58 AM
Hey Heather,
You're the perfect Clinton supporter. Okay, let me get this straight. Hillary Clinton is losing. She's going to continue losing by every single metric out there. But Barack is supposed to just drop out because you're terrified of the big bad Republicans? Get a grip and get out of fantasy world. Hillary knows she can't win, either the Democratic contest or a general contest, especially with 48% of the people saying they would NEVER vote for her. So let's drop the idea that she's even getting the nomination. Not...gonna...happen. But the dumb idea that Barack will drop out is LAUGHABLE. Sure, I'm in first place, won more delegates, total votes, fundraising and I'll just drop out. Maybe you should think your little editorials through before you write them. The next one should be that the NY Giants should give back the Super Bowl victory because the New England Patriots are more deserving.
Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 8:01 AM
Ally, I agree with you totally. They have shown restraint.
The Obama campaign has been shameless in reframing Clinton campaign remarks into divisive talking points that they then pass out to the MSM. They, in turn, shout in glee, "Breaking News, Breaking News!"
Time to take off the gloves.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 14, 2008 8:05 AM
If Clintonites are dumb enough (or bitter enough, HA!) to vote against their interests when Barack is the nominee, then you're not worth the time to go after as a voter. I honestly don't think Clintonites are that dumb. Delusional because of the false hope their candidate has given them, yes. But not dumb.
Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 8:06 AM
Sturg,
The only people who are interested in perpetrating this Clinton lie that she can win the nom are the Clintons and the media, who get more advertising rev from saying it's still close. It's not. Mars is close to the Earth, relative to other planets. But it's still far away. And that's how far the Dem nom is to Clinton. Far away.
Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 8:09 AM
clinton supporters are not dumb'' delusional'' or
bitter'' that's why they are clintont supporters
Posted by: mqw | April 14, 2008 8:10 AM
I agree with Flatus and Ally. I hope Clinton lands a knock-out punch soon!
She's holding back and I want her to fight like the tough woman the
MSNBC pretty boys keep accusing her of being.
Posted by: prof marcia
| April 14, 2008 8:11 AM
bye bye.......a bit premature, old top........
Posted by: sturgeone | April 14, 2008 8:11 AM
So Bye Bye -- does this mean you'd get behind Hillary if she's the nominee? The hatred and ugly talk I see coming from Obama supporters on so-called progressive blogs is palpable.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 14, 2008 8:12 AM
One other point I have brought up before but noticed again at the Compassion Forum. Obama does that rock star walk when shaking hands and signing autographs. Hillary has perfected the pause and acknowledge while walking the line. I realize it is a minor thing but Obama's demeanor on the line bugged me in Iowa and it bugs me now.
And for the Obama supporters who don't believe that his comments have sealed his fate as a John Kerry-esque liberal, wake up and smell your lattés please. This may not derail Obama in the primary, but it sure as heck is going to be a losing issue in the Fall.
Posted by: Ally
| April 14, 2008 8:13 AM
Dear Bye Bye
Where is your location.... oh oh yes yes ding ding...Boss de plane de plane ahhhh yes Tatoo come we have a very special guest Tatoo. Oh Boss who is it? Mr. Rourke replies Tatoo this is Mr Bye Bye from the USA. Really Boss? yes Tatoo .
And Boss what is his fantasy? Well Tatoo he has a fantasy that Senator Barack Obama can win the general election and since it cannot happen in the United States Mr Bye Bye has come here to Fantasy Island to Live out his fantasy. Oh wow Boss thats incredible. Ahhh Tatoo I'm not so sure, you see Tatoo even here in Fantasy Island extreme radical left wingers cannot win elections.
Oh no Boss what will you do? Well Tatoo I will have to refund Mr Bye Bye's money and send him back to the USA:-))
Okay Mr Bye Bye seriously in the last 50 years name me one extreme left candidate that won a general election and pulllllllllllease don't say JFK
---Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 14, 2008 8:17 AM
Oh Mr Bye Bye:
If you want to see a "Real Democrat " tune in MSNBC ASAP
Obama isn't fit to tie his shoelaces.
Harold Ford Jr. a Class Act!
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 14, 2008 8:23 AM
" This may not derail Obama in the primary, but it sure as heck is going to be a losing issue in the Fall."
Absolutely right, Ally. The astonishing this is that I see one commentator after another saying the EXACT same thing, all the while cheerleading for Obama to take down Hillary. Do they WANT the Democrats to lose the general? It sure sounds like it.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 14, 2008 8:23 AM
Goodness Did I actually manage to silence Mr Bye Bye LOL, nothing to say? maybe he's going though google or a lefty that won a general election lol
Heavens!
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 14, 2008 8:28 AM
What is so ironic about Obama's statements regarding bitter Small Town America is his choice in pastor and church. Demagogues like Jeremiah Wright take advantage of the problems and disadvantages of the black community to spew vitriol. If you want to see bitter, look no further than Obama's close circle of friends.
Posted by: Ally
| April 14, 2008 8:29 AM
Well seems like I did my good deed for the day, I quieted a Hillary hater. Not all that easy to silence them they are very hyper lol
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 14, 2008 8:30 AM
Jamie said: "For those who missed it on the last thread, calling Hillary Clinton "Annie Oakley" might have been a mistake..."
I don't know if Bernadette Peters has endorsed a candidate but I saw her in "Annie Get Your Gun" on Broadway and loved it. Maybe she could reprise a performance at a rally!
Posted by: Ally
| April 14, 2008 8:32 AM
Thank you for silencing the troll Heather!
Posted by: Ally
| April 14, 2008 8:33 AM
Nope Heather, I'm just waiting for you to post something with an actual thought. When you do, I'll respond.
Ally, you hate the rock star walk. Yep, that's exactly how I make my choice for president. How they walk into a room. Jobs, health care, bah humbug. Small potatoes. But how he walks into a room, see right there is the key. And you say Clintonites aren't delusional?
Patsi, will Obama supporters get behind Clinton? Thankfully we'll never have to test that out.
Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 8:33 AM
Well MoJo is the only one to get it right. He noted that the MSM have only been focusing on one little aspect of what he said in order to give him a pass. They leave off the really offensive parts like where he calls small town Americans bigots.
I love the caller from FL (posted the link last night on last thread) who said "...he said what he meant the first time..."
He did say what he meant the first time because he was trying to explain to rich whitey why working class whitey won't vote for him.
As to all this Annie Oakley stuff...I'm not sure if I was Clinton I would mind it so much. Annie Oakley...tough lady.
And when ole Barrack tries to trash Hillary to cover up his own mistake...it just makes him look like a bigger jerk than he already does. The MSM will find his remarks about Hillary charming but I wonder how the small town Americans that he called bigots will find them.
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 14, 2008 8:34 AM
" Goodness Did I actually manage to silence Mr Bye Bye LOL,"
Go Heather!
And Ally --another good point, RE: Wright. I'm still not recovered from his ugly comments about Natalie Holloway.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 14, 2008 8:35 AM
Right Ally,
But what words would Obama use to describe the urban unemployed people who have guns, and go to church?
- - - I think he'd call them Obama supporters
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 14, 2008 8:37 AM
Oh Wendy! I like the exclamation point. I would hate to confuse you with just plain Wendy. I feel you on the MSM. I mean, why oh why don't they tell the real truth about Obama. They're so in the pocket and so hate that hardscrabble, salt of the earth, poverty stricken, Hillary. I mean, what's a girl to do when the whole wide world is against her?
Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 8:37 AM
"how many far left candidates have won in the last 50 years...."
pretty good question......why dont you attempt an answer instead of evading..... dodging ?
Posted by: sturgeone | April 14, 2008 8:39 AM
"However we still HRC dedidacted...."
Jason, you and Michael Nutter are great role models (for us ALL) - simply because you chose a candidate not based on color OR gender but on whether you think they are the right person for the job and in the face of A LOT of pressure, you stick by your convictions. Thank you.
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 14, 2008 8:40 AM
Seriously Speaking Mr Bye Bye:
When you debate me you are going to have to do better than parroting sounbites you hear on MSNBC. First of all Obama would drop out not because he's leading in delegates fund raising etc. He'd drop out for the good of the Democratic Party.
He has a bright future in the Democratic Party and he is young and he will have plenty of time and resources to run again.
If he followed your advice he will get clocked in the general election and lose huge, Then he will go out to pasture with Mondale and Dukakis never to be seen or heard from again
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 14, 2008 8:42 AM
Bye Bye is so typical of the irrational hatred....I repeat, will he or won't he support Hillary if she's the nominee?
Posted by: Patsi
| April 14, 2008 8:44 AM
Yeah, ask Nutter (or Sheila Jackson Lee) how that works out for them when they're up for re-election. Long memories folks, long memories. You can't go against the wishes of your constituents and think everything's hunky dory. And as for Jason, what do you want? A medal for courage? A cookie? There's always been black folks who'll run to a white candidate, sometimes just so they'll appear special. Notice his woe is me post about how he is so special for fight against the black mainstream. And you guys pat him on the head for being not like those other black people who "mindlessly" support Obama. Look up, Jason. I just tossed you a grape for being special.
Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 8:45 AM
Monica Crowley is on Imus now.
She's really down on Mr Obama's campaign. Suggested that no one of his effete academic background has ever prevailed in the general.
And, I heard her as saying that people who supported him because they saw him as a blank slate on to which they could fit in their own views of his candidacy, are now becoming disillusioned and questioning of their own judgment.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 14, 2008 8:48 AM
This one's for Bye Bye!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JoJqID-wJY
Posted by: Corey
| April 14, 2008 8:49 AM
Oh Heather, the person who holds the great crystal ball of the future. The good of the Democratic Party? Why then Hilary should never have run. See, she tends to come from a family that has scandals around it. A solid half of the country hates her. Bill cheats on her regularly. Getting clocked in the general election? Hillary will be so tied to everything bad about the Clinton administration it wouldn't be funny.
Barack on the other hand. Strength. Low negatives. New voters. No scandals (except the ones the Clintons are so DESPERATE to create).
Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 8:49 AM
Heather 8:17 comment
ROFLMAO!!!!
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 14, 2008 8:50 AM
mornin' all -
Somehow I get the feeling that I know Bye Bye Billary. Sounds awfully familiar.
prof marcia - hope you become a regular here. You observations about Axelrod (from my perspective, he reminds me of Obama's Rove) alone make me look forward to your comments.
Everyone has their taxes done?
I have to laugh at the reverse elitism comments I've heard and read - poopooing Hillary's response (which while accurate IMHO, may be a bit of an over reaction) as not credible because she and Bill have more money than Obama. Obviously that is a campaign talking point that the Axelrod mafia has come up with, and does not reflect what elitism is all about. Believe me, money is not the starting point for elitism. The most elitist folks are not necessarily the ones with the most money - they're just the ones who think they are better than those around them. You can tell who they are - they affect being regular folk although they are anything but, don't actually engage with people (adopt that rock star walk, f'rinstance) and have to explain how their elitist comments were just accurate observations.
Remember, in the words of the immortal John Lennon (at least I think he wrote the line) happiness is a warm gun.
Posted by: pogo
| April 14, 2008 8:50 AM
Hey Flatus,
Got a bit of info for you. Hillary went to Yale. Just a bit of info. Not that it matters. I guess.
Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 8:52 AM
ah, but it was Mother Superior who jumped the gun.....
Posted by: sturgeone | April 14, 2008 8:52 AM
Bye Bye Billary , why don't you use an actual name? What are you afraid of? Is this your secret identity?
Posted by: Corey
| April 14, 2008 8:55 AM
Hey Bye Bye
Can you please respond to my most recent post. Take a deep breath Bye Bye and talk about the general stop talking about the primaries tell me what majority votes will your messiah Obama win the the general? Independent? No. Hillary supporters? No The Jewish vote? Not hardly Reagan Democrats? Not even close. He will get the depraved left wing radical Starbucks vote, the African American vote, the NARAL vote unfortunately for you that is nowhere near winning a general election
Call me after the second Tuesday in Nov. of your messiah gets nominated
You won't talk about the general will you BYE BYE and with good reason
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 14, 2008 8:57 AM
Bye Bye Billary, come out - come out, whoever you are.
Yes Pogo- I can recognize the caustic writing style and tone as well
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 14, 2008 8:57 AM
Corey......that information in the wrong hands could lead to untold levels of devastation and mayhem.......
Posted by: sturgeone | April 14, 2008 8:58 AM
Heather, OMG, your 8:17 is frickin' wonderful.
Jason, I know I'm a little challeneged this early in the morning, but what the hell does "dedidacted" mean?
Posted by: pogo
| April 14, 2008 8:59 AM
I'm glad you conceded the primary, Heather.
Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 9:00 AM
Pogo...I have the same feeling and would even venture to say the trolls name rhymes with Bye Bye
;-)
Scrolling past those posts until the coward has the guts to face us.
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 14, 2008 9:01 AM
This is for the Hillary supporters out there! Unite!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7l250E5uM4
Posted by: Corey
| April 14, 2008 9:02 AM
Dear Flatus:
I'm sorry...I got so wrapped up with Bye Bye I missed your comment Thank you so much and well she's tentatively scheduled for ND lol
I am ambivalent though. It's not the same ND I went to
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 14, 2008 9:03 AM
I wonder what large voting block Obama-man will insult today?
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 14, 2008 9:04 AM
Sounds like somebody got into Brian's stash. LOL!
Posted by: Corey
| April 14, 2008 9:04 AM
"You can tell who they are - they affect being regular folk although they are anything but, don't actually engage with people (adopt that rock star walk, f'rinstance) and have to explain how their elitist comments. . ."
Pogo you mean a comment like..."small town typical whitey won't vote for me because they are bitter, gun loving bigots" ?
You mean comments like that?
;-)
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 14, 2008 9:04 AM
I am surprised how Democrats have allowed Obama to degrade, devalue and revise the William Jefferson Clinton presidency. Clinton was the only Democrat to be reelected since FDR. He left office with a 65% approval rating, the highest since WWII. But many Democrats were certainly happy to throw Bill under the bus when Obama announced that Bill didn't change the trajectory of the country. Whatever Obama says, right?
Posted by: Ally
| April 14, 2008 9:06 AM
ByeByeBillary is just what I expect him to be. MEAN! Like most of the online Barrack bloggers. Mean, hateful...
But it is all good bro, be your mean ole self. This black brother stands by his ideas and by the year he lives in. My dad told me: Let everyone hate, but let God judge... he is right.
Wendy, please do not call me a role model. I am just a guy with a brain and a conscience...I do not let color decide for me.
Heather, I have to disagree with you on this one. Barrack needs to win, he is in this way to deep. If he loses this, he is over...and he knows it. That is why he pounds nowadays. he needs to. No point of return or retract anymore.
Posted by: Jason | April 14, 2008 9:06 AM
As I said last night , they were speaking at "Messiah College". Like THAT wasn't a coincidence! LOL!
Posted by: Corey
| April 14, 2008 9:07 AM
Bye Bye:
You have no credibility other than talking points you repeat off MSNBC lol you have to do better than spewing that supercilious sanctimonious primary psychobabble nonsense and get real
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 14, 2008 9:07 AM
Yeah, U-B it does sound familiar doesn't it?
Yes, sturg, it was.
Flatus, I guess Monica's a bit young to remember JFK - I think he had one of those effete, northeastern liberal Ivy league educations. And I think he prevailed in a general election.
Hey, Bye Bye, how many times in the past 10 years has Bill cheated on Hillary? I've got an idea - make it 12 years. And welcome to the world of republican slime, you are now an official card carrying member of it.
Posted by: pogo
| April 14, 2008 9:08 AM
MoJoe was right. When you combine the "bitter" remark of Sen. Obama with Michelle's
"[Michelle Obama] told a group gathered at a nursing home in Grinnell on Monday that “Barack is one of the smartest people you will ever encounter who will deign to enter this messy thing called politics.”
There is an arrogance and attitude of stooping to serve the lower masses quality.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 14, 2008 9:08 AM
@Pogo: lol
Sorry, I meant dedicated
Posted by: Jason | April 14, 2008 9:08 AM
Wendy proves that Clintonites hear voices. Would love to hear where Obama said "whitey" therefore making him a bigot. Oh that's right, didn't happen. Delusional? I prove my case.
Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 9:09 AM
Obama got a great big laugh out of the billionaires in SF, a big belly laugh, what a bunch of arrogant @ssholes. The joke will be on them when the GE comes around and their money will have been placed on the loser.
There's one thing I know about really rich people, they hate to lose ! - but more then that they hate to lose their money.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 14, 2008 9:09 AM
Corey, RFLMAO - really, LOL.
Posted by: pogo
| April 14, 2008 9:11 AM
I was thinking that Obama could have the Dalai Lama as his running mate. Just think of it....
Obama/Lama '08!
Posted by: Corey
| April 14, 2008 9:13 AM
Jamie: I don't really want someone to be my President with a clothespin on their nose. And, by the way, if we are going to have a contest to see who has the biggest brain, most people who know Hillary say that she is one of the smartest people they have ever met.
Posted by: Ally
| April 14, 2008 9:13 AM
Ally: Bill degrades the Clinton legacy. He doesn't need Obama's help.
Jason: Nothing like being a martyr for your views, eh.
Heather: Whatever
Pogo: Republican slime machine? I'm guessing that Republicans unzipped Bill pants all those times?
Unlikely: At least we'll get the chance to test out an Obama GE campaign. Clinton can sip Crown Royal and think about how it all went wrong.
Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 9:14 AM
Hey Bye Bye,
WELL DONE! Stop by anytime.
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 14, 2008 9:14 AM
Just call us before you do , Bye Bye.
Posted by: Corey
| April 14, 2008 9:15 AM
Jason, I thought so, and so did IE when I tried to hunt up a definition. :-)
And Flatus - I do not mean to suggest JFK was an elitist, just taking a potshot at Monica.
Posted by: pogo
| April 14, 2008 9:15 AM
Corey: Obama/Lama 08. That is high-larious! Belly laugh time!
Posted by: Ally
| April 14, 2008 9:16 AM
Hey Burrito,
I agree with your rich people hating to lose comment. That's why old $100 million dollar Bill and HIll will REALLY be mad when they end up with the "thank you for playing prize.
Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 9:17 AM
No, BB, republicans came up with your lines about him.
Posted by: pogo
| April 14, 2008 9:18 AM
Obama will end up with what ? first runner up.....talk about losing BIG!
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 14, 2008 9:20 AM
Pogo: And the big, bad Repubs would use it against her in the GE. Thank God we'll never find out.
Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 9:22 AM
Oh, and BB, I'll take it from your avoidance of the question, you know of no instances of Bill's infidelity since Monica? Continue to criticize the marital aspects of the president Obama aspires to be, and hope to god your messiah's teflon layer doesn't wear thinner. He's going to need it.
And note - I do not aim the messiah comment at anyone other than you - there are many Obama supporters here with their heads on straight who support him as a candidate rather than worship him as a god.
Posted by: pogo
| April 14, 2008 9:24 AM
Welcome Bye Bye! You are a breath of fresh air and a brave soul.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 14, 2008 9:24 AM
"And, I heard her as saying that people who supported him because they saw him as a blank slate on to which they could fit in their own views of his candidacy, "
Wow -- you know Flatus -- I think this is a very interesting thought.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 14, 2008 9:24 AM
Hey, how about the words from a former Clintonite: Robert Reich
http://www.robertreich.blogspot.com/
Spin this, delusionalites...er...Clintonites...
Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 9:25 AM
BB.....so far, aside from the insults, all you have are predictions......your opinion of how it's going to be.....
Thank you for playing.
Posted by: sturgeone | April 14, 2008 9:26 AM
I don't think Bye Bye is Brian. I haven't seen Brian able to put that many sentences together at once.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 14, 2008 9:26 AM
A big WOOF to you dog!
Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 9:27 AM
OK Pogo. Anybody voting in '61 knew well that he was a true war hero--hardly effete.
The Kennedys are such an amazingly complex family. Only in America. :)
Posted by: Flatus
| April 14, 2008 9:28 AM
dog hussein dog - Bye Bye Billary may seem like fresh air but used to post here under a different name.
That's not really a sign of bravery, do you think?
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 14, 2008 9:28 AM
No it's not Brian. I think it starts with an "A"
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 14, 2008 9:29 AM
or an "a"
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 14, 2008 9:31 AM
Heather, my first stop was at Kenyon in Gambier, Ohio. Small, liberal arts, quality, coed (now), and well regarded. Worthy of your consideration and a campus visit if you are headed in that direction. Obviously, there's no rush. :))
Posted by: Flatus
| April 14, 2008 9:31 AM
Yes, the disingenuousness of blaming a wife whose husband cheated on her is a core trait of republicans - welcome to the club.
Posted by: pogo
| April 14, 2008 9:33 AM
oh, well.......when people start signing posts with crap like "bye bye billary" it might just be time for a posting respite.......
bye bye.......arent you going to be late for school?
bye bye.
Posted by: sturgeone | April 14, 2008 9:33 AM
I think Mary Matalin was correct when she said the following on Meet the Press yesterday:
MS. MATALIN: Let, let me, can I say something more practical about this, getting out of the anthropological study of it? He's not the candidate that he's promised to be. This is a very important point. We know he's not been vetted properly because every week something comes out. He's--hasn't been tested properly. He's never run a tough race like this. The reason it's important that he said it so poorly is because he holds out the promise of being the "great articulator," the "great communicator" of the new Democratic Party. And when he's under--he, the, the longer he goes, the more he's exposed, and this is not an isolated incident, to be a not particularly overwhelming candidate. And that's when there's really no issues. You're not fighting over issues. Wait till he gets up against John McCain where there are real issue differences.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 14, 2008 9:35 AM
LOL w/ Patsi :-))
Bye Bye has no cred all... he has are retread Hillary hating talking points he gets from Chris Matthews and KO which doesn't surprise me because he is just another closet male misogynist same goes for Brian
--Heather
Posted by: Heather
| April 14, 2008 9:36 AM
And yet he continues to beat Hillary. How weak is she?
Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 9:37 AM
"I'm guessing that Republicans unzipped Bill pants all those times? "
I'm guessing you despise and discount all leaders who have ever had affairs: FDR, Eisenhower, JFK, RFK, MLK -- gee, throw 'em all under the bus.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 14, 2008 9:37 AM
Flatus, no, JFK was neither effete nor elitist, in spite of his wealth and education - the descrition was meant to apply to his education, not to him. He was one of those enigmas in American politics - a have who could connect with have nots. (Of course considering the source of his father's wealth, elitism might not have been appropriate for him).
Posted by: pogo
| April 14, 2008 9:38 AM
Ah Heather, just tossed you ten cents for using Hillary's "the boys are beating up on me" mimicry. You get a quarter if you say that it was unfair for her to have to start first during the Compassion Forum yesterday.
Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 9:39 AM
Heather,
Why the second Tuesday? Election Day is Nov 4th.
Other than that, enjoy your trip to NYC, and keep up the good fight. Go Yanks.
Posted by: EdVB
| April 14, 2008 9:39 AM
If you are going to post anonyous ad hominen attacks it is probably not a good idea to use the same insults previously posted under your normal posting name.
Of course when all you have is the same old load of crap...not surprising you want to use a different name.
SInce you are obviously a bitter and unhappy person we can only assume you are home ccleaning your gun collection and planning some odd religious event.
Posted by: Adam Hominen | April 14, 2008 9:39 AM
God's truth; I have no idea who Bye Bye is but enjoy the bracing wit, brevity and contrast BBB provides.
You would not notice it, but the pro-Clinton comments here are so stale.
With some interesting stuff thrown in: Corey: I enjoyed your account of the fire at work last night. Very glad you were not endangered or lost anything you were working on. Liked the "you are there" aspect of your narrative. You're a good reporter.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 14, 2008 9:40 AM
If she wins PA and by more than 10 points is she weak then?
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 14, 2008 9:40 AM
Another one for Bye Bye...
http://new.music.yahoo.com/videos/--2162605
Posted by: Corey
| April 14, 2008 9:40 AM
Patsi,
Many BHO voters voted prior to the Rev Wright issue, and there have been reports of them regretting their votes.
He looked like he was really enjoying his digs at Hillary, with that big grin on his face. That's the happiest I have ever seen him....
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 14, 2008 9:40 AM
See if he is smiling during the debate on Wednesday.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 14, 2008 9:41 AM
Pogo, my guess is that you have to go back to Wilson.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 14, 2008 9:41 AM
You're gonna have to explain to me what "ad hominen" means. I don't speak Chinese.
Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 9:42 AM
Yeah , at least they got the fire at work under control. The fire here????
Posted by: Corey
| April 14, 2008 9:42 AM
"(Of course considering the source of his father's wealth, elitism might not have been appropriate for him). "
Ha! Very true. The Kennedys have somehow not been branded elitists. I think it's that rowdy Irish Catholic image.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 14, 2008 9:42 AM
It's not on MSNBC this time. I don't Katie and Bob on on the Obama band wagon.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 14, 2008 9:43 AM
But you're pretty good at jive , Bye Bye.
Posted by: Corey
| April 14, 2008 9:44 AM
Right you are, Patsi!
Posted by: Flatus
| April 14, 2008 9:45 AM
It's not on MSNBC this time. I don't think Katie and Bob are on the Obama band wagon.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 14, 2008 9:45 AM
And what was all that "Elite 8" crap about during the NCAA basketball tournament a few weeks ago?
Posted by: Corey
| April 14, 2008 9:46 AM
Learned how to dance it in the eighth grade, Corey. Right along with the foxtrot.
Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 9:46 AM
I've tabulated all the comments this AM.
Critical of Obama: 11 nasty, 11 rational
Critical of Clinton: zero nasty, 1 rational
Crawfordslist has become an almost entirely a pro-Clinton site.
I did not include any postings by, or replies to, Bye Bye Billary, as he/she is an obvious troll. (Get a clue, folks. "Bye Bye" is NOT an Obama supporter but a troll who is just try to annoy you, and doing a pretty good job of it.)
Posted by: nash
| April 14, 2008 9:46 AM
Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 9:42 AM
As evidence by your other posts, an explanation would be lost on you as while you may be able to write --it appears you can neither think or read. Or keep your word.
Posted by: Adam Hominen | April 14, 2008 9:46 AM
People Please,
let us just not fal back on posters like Bye Bye Billary.... The name says enough. It is bashing Hillary and nothing more.
Let us try to focus on the big picture and that is, without stooping to lows like Bye Bye Billary, trying to discuss the candidates on a fair base.
Now,
Vadaryl, that is actually quite a nice post from Ms matalin.....
Posted by: Jason | April 14, 2008 9:47 AM
I meant , Jive talking. Like the Bee Gees.
Posted by: Corey
| April 14, 2008 9:47 AM
"Welcome Bye Bye! You are a breath of fresh air and a brave soul.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 14, 2008 9:24 AM"
LOL
Dog
Dang it
Now I have to put you on the list for "whos bye bye?"
Your comment is a classic sock puppetry trick. :-)
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 14, 2008 9:47 AM
I like you Nash.
Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 9:47 AM
Nash.....maybe it's just that most obama supporters sleep late?
Posted by: sturgeone | April 14, 2008 9:48 AM
Oh goody, a teaching moment.
ad ho·mi·nem Audio Help /æd ˈhɒmənəm‑ˌnɛm, ɑd-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ad hom-uh-nuhm‑nem, ahd-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. appealing to one's prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one's intellect or reason.
2. attacking an opponent's character rather than answering his argument.
Posted by: pogo
| April 14, 2008 9:48 AM
Pogo
"a have who could connect with have nots"
Certainly JFK was well aware of street politics from grandad Honeyfitz. With FDR, the testimony is that polio is what really gave him sensitivity to others after leading a life of privilege up to that time.
It isn't the money or status that makes you an "elitist". It is the attitude of superiority toward those who have not received or achieved as much.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 14, 2008 9:48 AM
jamie, expressed much more artfully than mine.
Posted by: pogo
| April 14, 2008 9:50 AM
One of my favorite songs, Corey. Still wear a gold chain to my navel like Harold Ickes to celebrate the disco era.
Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 9:50 AM
There are Obama supporters here. I see them every day.
Posted by: Corey
| April 14, 2008 9:51 AM
Pogo: Thanks for the definition. Now, if you can only explain the big words like "than" and "or"
Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 9:52 AM
Posted by: nash | April 14, 2008 9:46 AM
Are you jealous of the troll since posting annoying comments is something you usually like to do...especially inciting Clinton supporters.
Posted by: Adam Hominen | April 14, 2008 9:52 AM
wow, the HRC-BHO slugfest is off to an early start here today. anyone see John Adams last night? loved the scenes of him arguing with Jefferson, makes u realize nothing much has changed after all. now they would have loved blogging.
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| April 14, 2008 9:54 AM
I guess I'll go to bed before Craig gets out his blogger-killer spray. LOL! I'm sure there will be plenty for me to read when I wake up later today.
Posted by: Corey
| April 14, 2008 9:54 AM
Jason....when I went out this morning and smelled Spring, I thought of that trip lo those many years ago....on the road to Amsterdam and the endless fields of tulips....what an incredible sight! No wonder the Dutch produced and inspired so many great works of art.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 14, 2008 9:57 AM
Watched John Adams. Immediately thought that I could have made a killing by inventing Crest white strips.
Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 9:59 AM
nash, go get coffee before you count -
4 nasty comments in one post:
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/04/democrats-get-your-guns.html#comment-66988
Posted by: pogo
| April 14, 2008 9:59 AM
The debate, to be held at the National Constitutional Center in Philadelphia will be moderated by "World News" anchor Charles Gibson and "This Week" host George Stephanopoulos.
So glad is isn't Russert
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 14, 2008 9:59 AM
"Nash.....maybe it's just that most obama supporters sleep late?"
Ha....I've noticed that. The early morning is usually Hillary Country.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 14, 2008 10:00 AM
Why has Crawfordslist become a nearly 100% pro-Clinton site?
I think it's because of the audience Craig attracts. He tries to be neutral, but he unconsciously favors "middle-of-the-road" politicians. He doesn't really like extreme conservatives, and he doesn't really like progressives.
Since Obama is perceived as more "progressive" than Hillary, the people on this blog, with a few exceptions, have become strongly pro-Hillary. As Obama keeps winning, and she keeps losing, their antipathy towards him gets stronger.
Since there are no major policy differences between Obama and Clinton, this is a bit odd.
Posted by: nash
| April 14, 2008 10:00 AM
Craig -- you are so right. A couple of weeks ago I had lunch with a very political guy here in town....a big Obama supporter, but not glassy-eyed about it. He was laughing about people saying this is SO ugly. He said, "These critics need to read a little of the history of campaigns."
Posted by: Patsi
| April 14, 2008 10:02 AM
Yup Yup Yup Patsi....
It is a pretty sight. However it is still cold here. Spring is ducking, still, and not ready to come out in full bloom yet. Darn that winter.....
The slugfest is about to end CC. I want a grown ups discussion.
CCN intl. reporting that BO is narrowing in PA.... OMG...can someone tel me why I keep lokking to that hideous tv station? LOL
Posted by: Jason | April 14, 2008 10:03 AM
When you vote for President you are voting primarily for the person. No one ever knows what a president might face in the years in office, so the voters, pick who they think will be able to do the best job, regardless of circumstances.
The Democrats policy stances are very similar, so it makes their character, ethics, ability and history all the more important.
I think the two democrats are light years apart in this respect.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 14, 2008 10:08 AM
nash: Gender and age are a huge issue on this blog too. Identity politics; anger at someone playing out of turn.
Very on point analysis at 10:00 a.m.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 14, 2008 10:09 AM
Nash's comment about Bye Bye Billary is interesting, because unlike Dog, I find him/her irritating and aggressive and from that I start to think "with arrogance like this why SHOULD I vote for Obama if he is the nominee?" I realize that isn't a good response, or even an intelligent one, it's a knee-jerk reaction from troll postings. I thought he might be John R. in drag. Would Anon-Paranoid be so paranoid as to change his nick? Hell we can all change our nicks and write nasty little attacks the whole day long and where is the blog then? This isn't about having a discussion, this is about face slapping and knee-kicking, eye scratching an skin biting. If Bye Bye wants a serious dialogue, he would dialogue, not spew hatred around the blog.
I am convinced that Bye Bye is John R... though last time I saw him posting he was far more magnanimous that earlier. Of course with the bad press Obama has gotten in the last few days, the Obamanacs are probably angrier and more reactive. If I am wrong about John R, I am sorry. I know that anon goes over the deep end often but this seems far more nasty than what he would normally do.
But then... moods shift and some of us forget our meds...
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 14, 2008 10:10 AM
Just to set the record straight it wasn't just John Kerry Hillary decided to slam last night, she included Al Gore in her disgusting remark.
"Someone goes to a closed-door fund-raiser in San Francisco and makes comments that do seem elitist, out of touch and, frankly, patronizing. That has nothing to do with him being a good man or a man of faith.
We had two very good men and men of faith run for president in 2000 and 2004. But large segments of the electorate concluded that they did not really understand or relate to or frankly respect their ways of life."
I guess Craig feels it's better for Hillary if he only tells half the story.
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC
| April 14, 2008 10:15 AM
I have always been left wing to the chagrin of my Dad, but I like Hillary. I don't think that makes me any less progressive. I believe that the real historic moment is for a strong, competent woman to lead our country. I think testosterone has led far long enough. We could certainly gain perspective from the estrogen crowd :-) ... but seriously, I like Hillary and I think she's got what it takes to be a leader. She was a FINE first lady, a good Senator and I think would make a great President.
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 14, 2008 10:15 AM
Obama's comments on small town bitterness were an attempt to deal with a critical issue: how the GOP has historically managed to get lower and middle class people to vote against their own economic self-interest, by using issues like guns, abortion, religion, race, etc.
As has been well documented, Bill Clinton made similar comments when he was a candidate. Hillary had a chance to elevate the dialog. She could have responded to Obama’s comments thoughtfully, criticizing some aspects, but reinforcing the basic message. Instead, she adopted the GOP position and attacked Obama. This weakens the Democratic party, no matter who the candidate is, and made it much easier for McCain to win.
I didn’t think McCain has a chance this year, but now he does, thanks to Hillary. All he has to do is pay close attention to her attacks on Obama, and then use them against whoever the Dem candidate is. And it will work, because Hillary has legitimized that line of argument.
Posted by: nash
| April 14, 2008 10:16 AM
Why has Crawfordslist become a nearly 100% pro-Clinton site?
I think it's because of the audience Craig attracts. He tries to be neutral, but he unconsciously favors "middle-of-the-road" politicians. He doesn't really like extreme conservatives, and he doesn't really like progressives.
Posted by: nash | April 14, 2008 10:00 AM
***********************************************************************************
I guess Craig feels it's better for Hillary if he only tells half the story.
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC | April 14, 2008 10:15 AM
See Craig? Two Obama supporters say it's all your fault !! Goddamn centrist!
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 14, 2008 10:18 AM
No BBB, but I can define sarcastic if you need me to.
Yep, Craig, saw it. What has changed, or at least appears to have changed, is the apparent outward civility between Adams and Jefferson (of course they were friends until then), despite their differences on the still rancourous basic political issues of the day and the impending war (thankfully averted to the political disadvantage of Adams), and serving together in the administration but as members of competing parties. Hamilton was not so constrained. Of course, not attending Jefferson's inauguration would be considered well byond gauche now.
Posted by: pogo
| April 14, 2008 10:19 AM
Ah Nash, but according to Clintonites, Hillary has the good of the Democratic Party at heart.
Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 10:19 AM
a casual stroll thru an insane asylum will go a long way towards showing that faith doesnt prove much........
---FWN
Posted by: sturgeone | April 14, 2008 10:20 AM
ET, Craig is in the tank for HIllary - don't you know that yet? lol
Posted by: pogo
| April 14, 2008 10:20 AM
Does anyone on this Blog live in a small town?
If so, do you feel that the people that live there are bitter?
Do they cling to guns? and religion due to their frustrations?
I really don't know. I have never lived in a small town. I am truly curious.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 14, 2008 10:21 AM
Hmm, living in a place called a Rust Belt? I think we're just a bit angry.
Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 14, 2008 10:22 AM
I didn’t think McCain has a chance this year, but now he does, thanks to Hillary. All he has to do is pay close attention to her attacks on Obama, and then use them against whoever the Dem candidate is. And it will work, because Hillary has legitimized that line of argument.
Posted by: nash | April 14, 2008 10:16 AM
Yes, Hillary should drop out, Hillary should shut up, Hillary should roll over and play dead... The MSM has been spoon-feeding this bull since Iowa !
Dems and Repugs have always gone for each other in Presidential nominating campaigns when there are real contests. You would have us believe the Hillary created the whole concept of attacking the opponent, even though the first attacks early on were from the Obama groupies.
It's all crap, but this is how politics works I guess. Complain about your opponent for attacking, while you've been attacking all along and actua