I listened to Curtis Sliwa on WABC this morning, and he was misrepresenting Rev. Wright's speech to the Detroit NAACP as making fun of Presidents Kennedy and Johnson.
On Imus they noted that "people" are misrepresenting the tone of the speech, but didn't out Sliwa, who is on the air in New York before and after Imus.
Yaaay. The WH-press dinner curse is broken…‘cause Craig isn’t!
It looked like a lot of people who were, to paraphrase Craig Ferguson, not actually celebrities but just sort of from Hollywood, showed up. What was up with the screaming teens the hotel let line up in the lobby? Amusing but sad that they are yelling for the Jonas Brothers, but Kissinger and the like walk by with, perhaps, a mocking or just uniformed shout out.
It also appeared that W had a Scottish-to-Texan translator sitting next to him. The Prez was on a time delay.
Rev. Wright was in Dallas this weekend. Everyone the locals stations showed being interviewed afterward had a favorable view of him. Apparently, he’s not responsible for saying anything in those soundbites.
The media wasn’t allowed in, but one church had streaming video on the net and they aired a portion of it (another pesky soundbite) of the Rev. stating that his offer of a doctorate in theology had been yanked because he was unpatriotic per the aforementioned soundbites. Personally, I would imagine that it had a lot to do with using God’s name in vain and preaching hate instead of love from the pulpit. Oh, but he has to be a victim in all of this; he can’t be held responsible.
Jason, since I didn't get any recognition at all for being numero uno in the last thread, I want to make sure you are honored for your achievement this time. Well done!
Craig, bet that wasn't the only soaking you took Saturday night. :}
Thank you for your video coverage of the correspondence dinner.
Your witty, irreverent, self-deprecating take on official affairs makes
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McCain's War Words: Obama's Relations with Wright Beyond Belief
"I saw yesterday some additional comments that have been revealed by Pastor Wright, one of them comparing the United States Marine Corps with Roman Legionnaires who were responsible for the death of our savior. I mean being involved in that, it's beyond belief. And then of course saying that al-Qaida and the American flag were the same flags," McCain told reporters.
McCain pointed out that Obama told Fox News Sunday that he thought criticism of his involvement with Wright was fair.
"But Senator Obama himself says it’s a legitimate political issue, so I would imagine that many other people would share that view and it will be in the arena,” McCain said.
"I can understand why Americans, when viewing these kinds of comments, are angry and upset," McCain said, adding, "Just like they view Senator Obama’s statements about why people turn to their faith and their values. He believes that it’s out of economic concerns. We all know it’s out of a fundamental belief, a fundamental faith in this country and its values and its principles."
One summer when I was in high school there were enough weddings in my family that I ended up with my own tux, which is probably still in my closet. It wasn't until a couple of years later that I understood why After Six bragged about their's being wash 'n wear.
Regarding last night's crayon discussion....here is what Redd Foxx once said , "I'm black. Ain't no negro in the crayon box!" While I was at the grocery store today I saw a picture of Barack and Michelle on the cover of the National Enquirer. Apparently , they are having marital problems and Michelle is fuming. She is accusing Barack of cheating on her. Has anyone heard anything about this? LOL!
Thanks for the video---your genuine nature comes across--sure that is one of the reasons that so many are here so often. When you were a guest on the
John & Paul radio shows several years ago, I thought you were great--you have maintained that level of excellence.
Ruth, I don't know whether you ever got any advice about requesting relief from jury duty, but you should draft a letter explaining the obligations you have for your brother (was it?) and the undue hardship that jury service would place on you. If you would have to hire a sitter or incur any other expense (gasoline, f'rinsstance) you should include the cost of those expenses in your letter to the court. Explaining what you actually have to do for your ward woud also be persuasive if it requires considerable time in the course of the day. You will want to let the court know that jury service will impose an undue hardship on you and your family and request that you be released from your summons. One other thing you might do as a threshold matter is call the secretary or clerk of the court that issued the summons, explain in great detail the real effects jury service will impose (remember, it would mean at least a 13 hour day including travel time sinc e you would be coming ang going to Chicago during rush hour for every day you have to appear for court). Then cross your fingers and hope an understanding judge considers the request.
Craig, I trust you have dropped the sweet stuff from your martinis. If not, don't concern yourself with the brand of gin (or vodka if you're a vodkatinin person).
Lardass breaking-news bulletin: I adopted a 9-month-old rescue pup Saturday, and have had my hands full ever since. Chopper is a cute little Jack Russell with a sweet disposition who's already settled in and is running Chez Lard. (insert sound of squeaky toy here).
Having lots of fun...and hope to continue posting on and reading about politics here with what energy Chopper leaves me.
Craig...you looked great at the Correspondents Dinner. But you should have pointed out in the video that that's the same ballroom where they have the Miss Adams-Morgan contest every year!
Congrats on your new baby Lard! Take your vitamins...you are going to need the energy. Puppies keep you busy.
Regarding the media coverage this AM on Wright: As I correctly predicted last night, the NAACP speech is yet another big old crap sandwich for Obama. I am going to send $10 to Obama for the Wright Cruise Fund. The guy needs to go on a long vacation. We are killing our chances in the general with every additional speech he gives (if Obama is the nominee.)
I have a feeling that Wright did not cause to much of a problem so far but trying it three times is pushing it. I have a feeling he is going to say something today.
Lard, LOL at the squeaky toy. I've got a black lab/elkhound mix- coming up on 3 years old (rescued from a cardboard box in the WalMart parking lot) who runs into the kitchen, grabs her ball and steps on her squeaky hot dog to make it make noise - she kinda destroyed the squeaky hamburger, which now is just a prop for her to hold in her mouth while she makes snorting sounds.
"Hello Julie, it's 2008, no one says colored anymore"
Brian,
Bzzzt! Wrong again. There is a huge percentage that actually prefers "people of color" to AA, and I'm sure that if they didn't want it used, the NAACP would change its name.
Imus makes a good point about sen obama......when Imus faced his problems last april and got fired, obama was one of those jumping up and down saying that he should be fired he should be fired.....no context, no taking in the history of the man, no considering the whole person and his story......he said a dumb thing--fire him.......but now with obama's wright......the sound bite is not to be considered, consider the whole thing....etc..........
that's crap on obama's part. In his defense, Hillary jumped onto the same fire him bandwagon.....
I think not, (but could be wrong)......but she recently touted that she had stood up against "hate talk" during the imus affair......to which imus replied, "I hate YOU...how's that for hate talk."
lol
Craig, Congratulations on surviving the evening intact.
Lard - Enjoy your new baby, the trials and triumphs lie ahead.
Axelrod is not a happy camper today. Mika is doing her usual, "I will repeat something over and over because conversation is so difficult routine". It's fun hearing the Ax Man on the receiving end.
Whatever his slightly odd conspiracy leanings might be, I'm enjoying the Rev. Wright. It's been quite a while since I've been to a black church and the networks are certainly giving us a good dose. Wish he would bring in a choir to go along with the speeches.
Well Imus has been calling her "The Devil" for years and years, and that was when he was in a good mood. Not sure of the root causes, but if someone insults your constantly in the filthiest possible way, it might be a little difficult to come to their defense when they insert foot in mouth once too often.
Craig...thank you for the video...especially Ben and Jennifer (was that Gary Busey lurking behind them? -- the video was a bit dark and I couldn't make out the faces that well).
I think it started at the big dinner where Imus was the featured entertainment way back then......those cats have to run that string out themselves......Im for Hillary, I listen to Imus, and I wouldnt vote for john mccain for anything anywhere.
Have been listening to Gregory over wabcradio.com. Goodness, they have a lot of commercials on that station! But, Gregory is worth it. Should be required listening for white folk and black folk alike.
Lardass....
happy..... happy..... here's to you and puppydom.....
you do know they're no longer called Jack Russells..... the AKC now recognizes them as Parson's terriers...... Chopper is one lucky dog, IMO....
sturg.... I've noticed you've taken to using my style of posting.... I like all these "........." welcome to the fold...... it makes writing stream of consciousness so much easier.....
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Wright is a bright man with an ego...I guess I can understand he would want to protect his legacy....on the same line of thinking, HRC has the same right to protect her 30+ years of experience.
Racism is a conundrum...victims of segregation seemingly wanting to segregate themselves even more. Uniters claiming to unite while dividing.
I really felt when Andersting was posting this weekend about how BHO was her brother, she was truly speaking from her heart. It really hit home for me and I totally respect her for that feeling. I understand it. I also feel HRC is my sister. I have the same powerful feelings about her. Now can the dem extended family get it together by August to determine who is going to win the "photo finish" race of the dem nomination?
Good morning everyone,
Just point to share from my perspective, many I know people are just plain losing interest in the whole political primary debacle. I personally have not watched any political news for three weeks. I know I am a political novice but I am an interested and active in politics none the less. Even my elderly Mother, who has been political her whole life, is burned out. Our state Ohio, has already voted, so that could be a contributing factor to political burn out.
Life continues, the weather is better, children are returning from college, proms and weddings abound. I feel there is a huge flaw to the theory that later in the GE issues such as Rev. Wright will not be as effective against BHO because it will be “old news.” I believe it will be fresh news to those of us who have turn off the political media machines. And not only will it seem new, but more importantly these issues will actually carry more weight because people are voting for POTUS not just a party nominee.
Have a wonderful day.
~peace
LL - I love the name you picked for your puppy....Chopper : )
( you need to show a pic )
Damned if they do, damned if they don't. This is from HuffPo on Will Hillary may be unelectable.
*****
Clinton has long been perceived as unelectable because half the voting population would not cast a ballot for her under any circumstance. This used to be an unfair assessment, as her husband demonstrated by winning with 43% of the vote in 1992, and George W. Bush did with 48% in 2000. In recent months, however, this presumed inelectability has come to pass, as attitudes towards Clinton have hardened and deteriorated to the point that 60% of Americans find her dishonest and untrustworthy.
They are all politicians including BHO. The LA Times article (Wendy posted the link yesterday) that ended with BHO's quote from his book that he didn't have good credit in 2000...made me wonder how he was able to get a loan for a 1.75 million dollar home a few years later? His campaign financial manager, Penny, may have arranged for 100% financing from her bank (which later failed as one of the first sub-prime 'house of cards' banks to fail).
It is still my cynical nature to think politicians have to be full of sh*t...nature of the beast.
On some personal notes...LL great news about Chopper. Sturg...before I went to bed last night, thinking about the dem family...if BIG RICH had a son, would he be called "little dick?"
Exactly Blonde w,
Therefore why is it any news to report that a politician is seen as dis-honest by a group of people that have been told that politician lies. It is moronic at best.
Morning peeps,
Well Wright is nothing is nothing if not entertaining. I thought he brought things up that we as a nation really need to start addressing. One thing that I'm struck by while listening to Wright is that we are not only dealing with a racial divide here but also a generational one. I certainly agree that his timing sucks, but I can understand why he feels the need to speak out, he's a man who feels wounded and that he's been treated unfairly and he's not the type of man who would sit back and let this happen to him. But certainly one thing the whole Wright story reinforces for me too much religion in American politics.
Brian...on that we most definitely agree. As I have always said, thank God for separation of church and state. (I know this excluded the atheists -- I guess I should replace "God" with "the glue that holds this all together.") So, thanks to the "glue that holds this all together" for separation of church and state.
Yahoo had an article (which is gone now) on H Dean saying that one of the candidates must (note must) drop out after last primary June 3rd. Even though the dnc rules say that they can stay in until the convention.
Said they would know which one mus drop out.
Yes, like either one is going to drop out if neither one has the required number of delegates.. Some sd's may not declare until convention.
The good news:
*Dems are registering hundreds of thousands of new voters and raising incredible amounts of cash.
* Bush's arrogant refusal to change ANYTHING is hurting the GOP.
*McCain is a flawed candidate.
Yesterday on the russert show, Dean also said that Fl and Mi would be seated at the convention ** in some way**. Wonder what he meant? Thought that they would be seated or not seated. May 29th is day the committee is supposed to hold meetings to decide.
In all honesty, I do not think Dean has done the dnc a good job - other than trying to get grasswork voters.
Julie
Here's a article on some of BO finances if you'r e interested.It mentions book advances and other incomes. btw , the house deal was in 2004/05 after he sold his other house for @400K.
julie - that article is the lead article over at HuffPo (forgive me, glue, for I have sinned).
Sturg - Li'l Pogo's band played their first gig Saturday - they done good - with their song (Green Day's "Basket Case"). I told the little guy they need to learn a couple more songs before their next gig - the school talent show. As the band's manager and road crew, setting up is too damn hard for one song.
I sure hope that William Ayers is not next on the stump to try to clear his name. I know a quick way Obama can change the media coverage and agree to a one on one debate right away.
Rez....just more on how BHO is not a working class hero. And Julie...just more on how Dean wants a candidate BEFORE he has to seat Florida and Michigan...still negating the vote in those states.
Nash, about Reverend Wright... his prominence among the NAACP and Black clergy, Donna Brazile made the important point on THIS WEEK that his reappearance has nothing to do with Barack Obama, but with the Black community's identity with the Black Church. The attacks on Rev. Wright is seen as an attack on the collective Black identity because the Black Church is the single most important institution in their culture. (I know you know this). Before other institutions were available by and large to Black people, the Black Church was the meeting place, not only for spirituality, but also fellowship, and planning .. i.e. the civil rights movement. So the attack on Reverend Wright is seen as an attack on the Black Church, and this is outside of politics or Barack Obama
julie & blondie, dean appears oblivious to the effect the MI & FL kerfuffle is having on dem voters - or at least a good number of dem voters who support Hillary. The problem with the DNC drawing a line in the sand is that it has made dean harden a position that should be addressed flexibly. His approach has been something between Pollyanna and the Terminator - and those are two roles that are pretty difficult to reconcile.
The media states over and over that whites are racial because they are not voting for the black candidate. It is not that some whites would not vote for a black candidate, it is that some whites won't vote for THIS black candidate. I wish someone would say that to the talking heads!!! They are making this racial. I think there is more reluctance to vote for a generic woman that a generic black, even among women.
Donna Brazille (sp?) also responded on This Week roundtable about the role of SD's in the nomination of the Democratic candidate for Prez. George Stephanopoulos asked if it is even conceivable that Hillary can win the nomination because as it stands, she will be behind in popular vote and delegates. Donna said she's been talking with a lot of SDs and the end vote is not going to be their deciding factor. They are going to be looking at both Barack and Hillary and deciding which one is most likely to defeat John McCain in the fall. It won't come down to who is in first or second place, but who is the strongest in the general election. Everyone agreed it's gonna get ugly and bloody. I was surprised that no one suggested the "Dream Team" ticket again, because as Donna said, the Dems need both the African American vote and the Women's vote to win.
Matthew Dowd kept referring to Barack as the candidate of the 21st century and Hillary as the candidate of the 20th century. I thought that was weird, but ok.
blondie, or at least have the same belief system. (I do go to church - catholic of all things - it's a family thang -but you can see my level of belief). :)
Sorry Wigs but in PA a sizable block of the voter population admitted that race was an issue for them. As Gwen Ifill pointed out yesterday on MTP we spend a lot of time in this society talking about race, and very little time talking about racism.
Rez...did you miss the interview with Chris Wallace yesterday? BHO made an effort to position himself as a working class hero...and Axelrod will be trying to champion this cause over the next few weeks. I know these guys do not follow polls, but are pure of heart and cause. Politicians!
I don't know how much it sticks - it's more like the old woman who took her laundry to the river in the basket and dipped it in without doing anything else to clean the clothes - can't hurt. Plus it makes the wife and kid happier than if I went out & did something without them.
You all have converted me. I really like "glue". It fits right in with my basic belief that the universe is wondous and whatever is responsible for the prime cause is too far beyond my ken for me to issue instructions on how to make it all work.
"Asked about Coe’s influence on Hillary Clinton, people close to her told NBC News that she does not consider him one of her leading spiritual advisors. They added that Senator Clinton has never contributed to Coe’s group, is not a member of The Fellowship and has never heard the sermons obtained by NBC News. And, they said, Doug Coe is not Hillary Clinton’s minister.
Coe declined repeated requests for an interview. But a close friend told NBC News that Doug Coe invokes Hitler only to show the power of small groups -- for good and bad. And, the friend said, Coe spends “99 percent” of his time during the sermons talking about the leadership model set by Jesus Christ. "
The "who's most electable" argument is silly because one of the things we have learned from Karl Rove is that you can attack anyone, with anything. No one is safe. You can even make stuff up, and the MSM will cover it.
blondie, I think howie may be right - hillary or barack will know when it's time to fold without dean's input - of course ole howie is probably burning up his anytime minutes with uncommitted SDs, telling them they better declare before mid june or he'll hold his breath until he turns blue.
Let's poll everyone, if the SD's job is to pick the person they fell has the best chance of winning in the November no matter if we feel that is correct or not, then help them out.
Well, it is clear this is a horse race to the end. Nobody wants a photo finish, but it seems the most likely outcome unless someone stumbles. I sure know that each side is trying to muddy the track. And another sure thing...lots of $$ spent on betting.
Wright has hurt Obama again and signals what to expect if Obama wins the nomination. Wright wants his problems to be about the Black Church and not about himself. What an absurd response to the question about his claims regarding AIDS. No, his view isn't about different, but about deficient in rational thinking. He deflects, has a huge ego, avoids tough questions and blames others in much the same Obama has done.
Wright was nasty to the questioner and belittles Obama's rejection of the remarks Wright made. He implies that Obama did not read his sermons and says what a Politician needs to say to get elected. Wright doesn't even have the good sense to keep quiet and compares attacks on his words as beating his mother. Quite a display.
And of course hew was allowed to fill the hall with his supporters. As I said, Obama will be his own undoing while Obama clams he has the temperment and intelligence to be the President. I think he is simply comparing himself to Bush 2
Dean did an outstanding job yesterday on MTP and was right on the money. Trying to navigate a path between two strong candidates who are almost tied cannot be an easy task. And as he said repeatedly his job is enforce the rules and do what he can to make sure a Democratic is elected in November.
Hours after Senator Barack Obama of Illinois and former Senator John Edwards of North Carolina agreed to sign a loyalty pledge put forward by party officials in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York followed suit. The decision seemed to dash any hopes of Mrs. Clinton relying on a strong showing in Florida as a springboard to the nomination.
“We believe Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina play a unique and special role in the nominating process,” Patti Solis Doyle, the Clinton campaign manager, said in a statement.
Black, white, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Italian, Irish, etc. We are all children on God's earth. There are good And Bad in all of the races. Can't it just be said that we do not like the man as a politician rather than be called racist if we do not embrace him..
One of my fondest memories, a childhood friend lived across the street from a black family (only one in the neighborhood) , every Fri & Sat night they would gather and sing acapella(sp) ,religious and old songs of the black people. Sometimes the two of us whities would join on the outskirts of the circle and sing with them, & eat BBQ after the singing. Most beautiful music in the world. This 1940's small town in Oklahoma..
I have a problem voting for a candidate that does not want all the votes counted. Forget the rules, don't blame the voters for their mess up. I don't blame the FL and MI voters if they don't vote for either candidate in November.
Oh, to LardassLiberal: good luck to you, sir. My former mother-in-law likened raising her Jack Russell to having four or five children under the age of 5, all with ADHD, all at the same time. That doggie is now 8 and is just now beginning to settle down. But smart! That breed is smarter than some humans I know.
vad - I wouldn't hold my breath - hard to find funding for polls after the contests they predict have occured. You can be pretty confident, based on the national polls and tracking polls, that they would not be like they were before. And if you want to try and keep your head from exploding, go check out the various polls over the past week or two re: dem candidate preference. And one very interesting poll to check out is newsweek - it's about the 5th poll down. Tends to throw cold water on the "most popular vote, most delegates, most states won" argument. Apparently dems want the most qualified candidate if the SDs have to decide it.
Dean was interviewed this morning by CNN and failed to answer the tough questions. He looked stupid and you could see his anger boiling under his skin. When asked about the Republicans moving up the Democratic primary in Florida, he still blamed Democratic voters. I got a call from the DNC last night and told them for now my money was for Hillary. The caller said he understood as he too, was a Hillary supporter.
I am still shocked that no one asked Wright if he believes Jesus was a Black Palestinian and he defended Farrakhan as making his most troubling remarks years ago. Well, Gaddafi just days ago said Gaza was like a Nazi concentration camp and that Israel does not have any claim to pre-1967 borders. This is the guy Farrakhan and Wright met. Again, Wright dug a deeper hole and McCain has jumped all over it. Now Obama is forced to reject Wright again, but this time, people might consider what Wright said about Obama -that he will say what ever he must to get elected.
Well vadaryl did you email Senator Clinton your concerns when she signed a pledge stating something different to the stand she's taken now. And no we won't forget the rules thank you very much they were put in place for a reason. And as Dean pointed out yesterday part of the reason the calendar was set the way it was was to insure that minority voices would be part of the nomination process. And what do you tell the 48 states that have followed the rules? And come on, this self righteous stand taken by HillCo in defense of voters right is a crock of shit, it's not selling.
BW,
i don't think Obama is being pretentious about his beginnings or his lifestyle up until 2005. I do think he's trying to improve his image and favorableness with blue collar voters, but WCH is a bit too much and not a meme of his campaign, in my opinion.
yes, jamie, welcome - know that some of us gluians suspect that gravity is actually the one true glue, but it was too complicated for primitive human minds to accept, so glue seemed like a good symbol. Other schools of thought are that the strong force or weak force is the one true glue. Happily, gluism has no belief system that specifies adherance to any doctrine concerning what is or is not the one true glue and is open to any speculation of what the one true glue is, so no need to worry about having to form an offshoot church to follow one or the other line of thinking.
"More than a half century later, “McCarthyism” was joined in the lexicon by “Swiftboating,” the art of the smear campaign mounted with the intention not of documenting a wrong, but of covering the victim with slime enough to cast doubt on his or her integrity. Now, in 2008, after a primary season increasingly marked by dirty pool and low blows, “McCarthyism” and “Swiftboating” have come together in a particularly lethal and despicable form. I refer to the startling revelation — proclaimed from the housetops by both the Clinton and McCain campaigns — that Barack Obama ate dinner at William Ayers’s house, served with him on a board and was the honored guest at a reception he organized."
Thanks everyone for the warm welcome for Chopper...
Unlikely...the story on the name is funny. The rescue place listed his name as "Chopper", but when I got there they told me that was just a computer-generated name and they hadn't really been using it to call him. But I told them, hell, I love that name -- it's perfect for him. So I kept it.
RebRen...I saw the Parson's Terrier nomenclature in several of the informational sites I visited in advance of adopting Chopper, and it sort of confused me. Thanks for explaining.
Mary Kitt...if you're right about this dog getting any smarter than he already seems to be, I may just have to register him with a TypeKey screen name so he can post here. He's for Hillary, by the way.
Obama did more with Ayers than what someone described above..He had fund raisers with him, gave speeches together, shared similar views on who would get funding at Woods Fund and by his own admission, was friendly towards him. So let's be real.
McCarthy had a logical basis for his witch hunt and history has shown the Soviets did get vital secrets from Americans. There was nothing wrong in uncovering real espionage. Certainly the bitter rubbish Davis wrote was not exactly pro-American and why would a university hire this guy?
The problem with McCarthyism was the extent he went in trying to make criminal one's political sentiment. Just because one is a memeber of the communist party does not mean they engaged in spying for the Soviets. There is no law that bans the expression of political thought. Such witch hunt behavior is unAmerican.
The idea however, that voters and media do not have a right to question a candidate's claims to centrism because their history shows friendships with radicals is a joke. Any employer can refuse to hire a person that advocates the victory of an anti-American regime or State. A person gravitates towards people who share similar thinking and Obama's long list shows a strong tendency to associate with people who stand in stark contrast to the image he is trying to sell. No one is suggesting Obama has done something illegal by being friends with one of the clumsiest of terrorists or a Pastor with radical thinking including America creating AIDs to kill Black people. No one is saying Obama broke the law by asking Zbig, McPeak or Malley to be his advisors. No one is saying Obama should be incarcerated for lifting Yes We Can from the Soviet Era.
No, don't be fooled by those people who want to exaggerate what is really going on in order to defect reasonble judgments of character. A persidential candidate with a small resume ought to be examined closely. Friends, advisors, financial backers, mentors matter. And if they share a common thread, then it is reasonable to assume Obama was drawn to them because of a shared view of the world. Nothing criminal about this, but fair observations by which to judge whether that candidate should be the next President and whether his campaign rhetoric should be believed. Obama wants us to reason that his associations do not matter and yet he goes to some length to distance himself from them when exposed. It is getting rather ugly at this point and Obama has only himself to blame.
Calling such vetting "Swift-boating" is BS. Show me where these associations are lies?
(Also, I'm sure you could get a bunch of us to stand in the Peanut Gallery and cheer when you showed up, a la the rest of the screaming little fangirls.)
In a time of youtube and the media "sound byte", we are often force fed only one side of a person. This video shows just a small sample of what Jeremiah Wright has done for America! The media and their agenda has grossly distorted this mans legacy!
The Dem voters have spoken and Obama is their choice. The last few remaining primaries will not change that. Even though many have doubts about Obama, if the super-delegates overturn the will of the voters, and install Hillary, there will be hell to pay.
The way to deal with Rev Wright problem is to ignore him and go on the attack against McCain, on the issues.
We must trust that the voters in the general election (for once) will not be fooled by the GOP swiftboating that brought them eight years of Bush.
China announced today that judges at the 2008 Olympics would be allowed to award the gold medal to the #2 competitor in any event, if, in the opinion of the judges, the #1 competitor "had too much baggage, went to a church with a controversial pastor, or refused to run dirty race."
The SD's were created to decide which candidate they think has the best chance of winning, not what the voters say. Like it or not!!!!! if they play a rule then let them make their decision based on why they were created.
I have never been a big fan of H Dean. Didn't vote for him in 04, and don't think he's handled this primary cycle well. But, one good thing I can say; he came to Kerry's support after the convention in a big way and campaigned many places for Kerry, etc. . Plus, more importantly, he didn't vilify Kerry during the campaign.
I can't say this about Hillary and I don't envision her (them) being on the stump for Obama in the fall, because they would have to eat to many words and back peddle to far to campaign for him.
I beginning to believe those who suggest that these last few months of the primary have and will be about her shot in 2012.
Move over G-man, I'm joining the conspiracy party.
In the future this should be changed, count all the votes and winner take all. But this is what we have this year and we all have to live with it. So if one candidate wins over the other then so be it and hopefully they make the right decision and win in November.
Disenfranchisement of voters in Indiana in 2008 and elsewhere now that the SCOTUS upheld the need for voters to have a government issued ID to vote.
"As Adam B points out, the Supreme Court has just disenfranchised thousands and thousands of black and Latino people. In upholding Indiana's picture ID voter requirement, they've assured that all states controlled by Republicans will immediately pass similar laws. If you have ever spent time in the inner city, you know that very few people have driver's licenses or passports, and that it costs $60-$80 to go down to the Division of Motor Vehicles or Secretary of State and get a photo ID. Most young people either have no picture ID, or use a student ID for identification purposes."
jamie, either we all hang (actually, stick would be a better choice) together or we fly apart (gravity) or disintegrate (strong or weak force). That hanging stuff is soooo 18th century.
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Posted by: Jason | April 28, 2008 6:01 AM
Nice video Craig, you look great in your tux!
Posted by: Divalicias | April 28, 2008 6:41 AM
I listened to Curtis Sliwa on WABC this morning, and he was misrepresenting Rev. Wright's speech to the Detroit NAACP as making fun of Presidents Kennedy and Johnson.
On Imus they noted that "people" are misrepresenting the tone of the speech, but didn't out Sliwa, who is on the air in New York before and after Imus.
Posted by: EdVB
| April 28, 2008 6:45 AM
that was short and sweet..always enjoy your videos Craig..hope to see you on the tv today
Posted by: emmy | April 28, 2008 6:48 AM
Craig....
it was worth watching that just to see that tree.....
I'm glad nothing is broken...... but you know what we really want to know is what were you drinking this year..... and how many......
Posted by: RebelliousRenee
| April 28, 2008 7:12 AM
Yaaay. The WH-press dinner curse is broken…‘cause Craig isn’t!
It looked like a lot of people who were, to paraphrase Craig Ferguson, not actually celebrities but just sort of from Hollywood, showed up. What was up with the screaming teens the hotel let line up in the lobby? Amusing but sad that they are yelling for the Jonas Brothers, but Kissinger and the like walk by with, perhaps, a mocking or just uniformed shout out.
It also appeared that W had a Scottish-to-Texan translator sitting next to him. The Prez was on a time delay.
Rev. Wright was in Dallas this weekend. Everyone the locals stations showed being interviewed afterward had a favorable view of him. Apparently, he’s not responsible for saying anything in those soundbites.
The media wasn’t allowed in, but one church had streaming video on the net and they aired a portion of it (another pesky soundbite) of the Rev. stating that his offer of a doctorate in theology had been yanked because he was unpatriotic per the aforementioned soundbites. Personally, I would imagine that it had a lot to do with using God’s name in vain and preaching hate instead of love from the pulpit. Oh, but he has to be a victim in all of this; he can’t be held responsible.
Posted by: blueINdallas | April 28, 2008 7:37 AM
Jason, since I didn't get any recognition at all for being numero uno in the last thread, I want to make sure you are honored for your achievement this time. Well done!
Craig, bet that wasn't the only soaking you took Saturday night. :}
Posted by: Flatus
| April 28, 2008 7:39 AM
Craig,
Thank you for your video coverage of the correspondence dinner.
Your witty, irreverent, self-deprecating take on official affairs makes
Trail Mix the definitive postmodern blog for slightly quirky intellectuals
and political junkies.
You looked dashing in your tux.
Posted by: prof marcia
| April 28, 2008 7:40 AM
McCain's War Words: Obama's Relations with Wright Beyond Belief
"I saw yesterday some additional comments that have been revealed by Pastor Wright, one of them comparing the United States Marine Corps with Roman Legionnaires who were responsible for the death of our savior. I mean being involved in that, it's beyond belief. And then of course saying that al-Qaida and the American flag were the same flags," McCain told reporters.
McCain pointed out that Obama told Fox News Sunday that he thought criticism of his involvement with Wright was fair.
"But Senator Obama himself says it’s a legitimate political issue, so I would imagine that many other people would share that view and it will be in the arena,” McCain said.
"I can understand why Americans, when viewing these kinds of comments, are angry and upset," McCain said, adding, "Just like they view Senator Obama’s statements about why people turn to their faith and their values. He believes that it’s out of economic concerns. We all know it’s out of a fundamental belief, a fundamental faith in this country and its values and its principles."
(Yes, I know it is Newsmax)
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/wright_mccain_obama/2008/04/27/91420.html
Posted by: GORDO | April 28, 2008 7:42 AM
One summer when I was in high school there were enough weddings in my family that I ended up with my own tux, which is probably still in my closet. It wasn't until a couple of years later that I understood why After Six bragged about their's being wash 'n wear.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 28, 2008 7:50 AM
Regarding last night's crayon discussion....here is what Redd Foxx once said , "I'm black. Ain't no negro in the crayon box!" While I was at the grocery store today I saw a picture of Barack and Michelle on the cover of the National Enquirer. Apparently , they are having marital problems and Michelle is fuming. She is accusing Barack of cheating on her. Has anyone heard anything about this? LOL!
Posted by: Corey
| April 28, 2008 7:52 AM
Was it the tux that got tree'd or is that one new? Did you run into Morgan Fairchild, again?
Posted by: blueINdallas | April 28, 2008 7:58 AM
Golly, Corey, if it's in National Enquirer, it has to be true! Snort, chuckle, snort!
Posted by: Flatus
| April 28, 2008 7:58 AM
Dick Gregory coming up on Imus in a few minutes.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 28, 2008 8:06 AM
Craig
Thanks for the video---your genuine nature comes across--sure that is one of the reasons that so many are here so often. When you were a guest on the
John & Paul radio shows several years ago, I thought you were great--you have maintained that level of excellence.
Posted by: Coreen | April 28, 2008 8:11 AM
Ben Affleck and Jennifer Garner??? Wow! I'm jealous , Craig.
Posted by: Corey
| April 28, 2008 8:26 AM
Blue in Dallas:
"preaching hate instead of love from the pulpit"
Please give an example of Wright preaching hate from the pulpit, I don't believe I have seen any time that occurred
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 28, 2008 8:26 AM
mornin' all.
Ruth, I don't know whether you ever got any advice about requesting relief from jury duty, but you should draft a letter explaining the obligations you have for your brother (was it?) and the undue hardship that jury service would place on you. If you would have to hire a sitter or incur any other expense (gasoline, f'rinsstance) you should include the cost of those expenses in your letter to the court. Explaining what you actually have to do for your ward woud also be persuasive if it requires considerable time in the course of the day. You will want to let the court know that jury service will impose an undue hardship on you and your family and request that you be released from your summons. One other thing you might do as a threshold matter is call the secretary or clerk of the court that issued the summons, explain in great detail the real effects jury service will impose (remember, it would mean at least a 13 hour day including travel time sinc e you would be coming ang going to Chicago during rush hour for every day you have to appear for court). Then cross your fingers and hope an understanding judge considers the request.
Craig, I trust you have dropped the sweet stuff from your martinis. If not, don't concern yourself with the brand of gin (or vodka if you're a vodkatinin person).
Posted by: pogo
| April 28, 2008 8:27 AM
Mornin' all...
Lardass breaking-news bulletin: I adopted a 9-month-old rescue pup Saturday, and have had my hands full ever since. Chopper is a cute little Jack Russell with a sweet disposition who's already settled in and is running Chez Lard. (insert sound of squeaky toy here).
Having lots of fun...and hope to continue posting on and reading about politics here with what energy Chopper leaves me.
Craig...you looked great at the Correspondents Dinner. But you should have pointed out in the video that that's the same ballroom where they have the Miss Adams-Morgan contest every year!
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 28, 2008 8:39 AM
Corey
I like the playlist feature you added to your blog...very cool!!
I wanna create a blog...I would play Christine Lavin music on it!! 8~D
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| April 28, 2008 8:43 AM
Thanks Linda. I'll change it up from time to time as well. Just something more to play with! LOL! Congrats on the new doggie , LL!
Posted by: Corey
| April 28, 2008 8:49 AM
Congratulations to you, Lard!
Posted by: Flatus
| April 28, 2008 8:49 AM
Gosh, Gregory is a marvelous guest!
Posted by: Flatus
| April 28, 2008 8:51 AM
When is wright scheduled to talk today at the Press Club?
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 28, 2008 8:52 AM
Congrats on your new baby Lard! Take your vitamins...you are going to need the energy. Puppies keep you busy.
Regarding the media coverage this AM on Wright: As I correctly predicted last night, the NAACP speech is yet another big old crap sandwich for Obama. I am going to send $10 to Obama for the Wright Cruise Fund. The guy needs to go on a long vacation. We are killing our chances in the general with every additional speech he gives (if Obama is the nominee.)
Posted by: Ally
| April 28, 2008 8:54 AM
awwwww...lucky you and lucky puppy, LaL!!
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| April 28, 2008 8:55 AM
I have a feeling that Wright did not cause to much of a problem so far but trying it three times is pushing it. I have a feeling he is going to say something today.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 28, 2008 8:55 AM
I just checked CNN Live video and they are running it but he has not started to talk yet.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 28, 2008 8:59 AM
Lard, LOL at the squeaky toy. I've got a black lab/elkhound mix- coming up on 3 years old (rescued from a cardboard box in the WalMart parking lot) who runs into the kitchen, grabs her ball and steps on her squeaky hot dog to make it make noise - she kinda destroyed the squeaky hamburger, which now is just a prop for her to hold in her mouth while she makes snorting sounds.
Posted by: pogo
| April 28, 2008 9:00 AM
"Hello Julie, it's 2008, no one says colored anymore"
Brian,
Bzzzt! Wrong again. There is a huge percentage that actually prefers "people of color" to AA, and I'm sure that if they didn't want it used, the NAACP would change its name.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 28, 2008 9:05 AM
this should be good after the introduction he just got
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 28, 2008 9:06 AM
Imus makes a good point about sen obama......when Imus faced his problems last april and got fired, obama was one of those jumping up and down saying that he should be fired he should be fired.....no context, no taking in the history of the man, no considering the whole person and his story......he said a dumb thing--fire him.......but now with obama's wright......the sound bite is not to be considered, consider the whole thing....etc..........
that's crap on obama's part. In his defense, Hillary jumped onto the same fire him bandwagon.....
Posted by: sturgeone | April 28, 2008 9:15 AM
Sturg, didn't she go and talk with him??
Posted by: Flatus
| April 28, 2008 9:20 AM
I think not, (but could be wrong)......but she recently touted that she had stood up against "hate talk" during the imus affair......to which imus replied, "I hate YOU...how's that for hate talk."
lol
Posted by: sturgeone | April 28, 2008 9:22 AM
Craig, Congratulations on surviving the evening intact.
Lard - Enjoy your new baby, the trials and triumphs lie ahead.
Axelrod is not a happy camper today. Mika is doing her usual, "I will repeat something over and over because conversation is so difficult routine". It's fun hearing the Ax Man on the receiving end.
Whatever his slightly odd conspiracy leanings might be, I'm enjoying the Rev. Wright. It's been quite a while since I've been to a black church and the networks are certainly giving us a good dose. Wish he would bring in a choir to go along with the speeches.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 28, 2008 9:22 AM
He's is entertaining.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 28, 2008 9:25 AM
So I'll just bring my own. The Harlem Gospel Choir with "Up On The Mountain"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBjNF7C4adI&feature=related
Posted by: Jamie
| April 28, 2008 9:27 AM
Sturg, you're exactly right. She went to Rutgers and talked with the university community. There's never been any love lost between the pair.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 28, 2008 9:28 AM
Well Imus has been calling her "The Devil" for years and years, and that was when he was in a good mood. Not sure of the root causes, but if someone insults your constantly in the filthiest possible way, it might be a little difficult to come to their defense when they insert foot in mouth once too often.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 28, 2008 9:31 AM
I'll see you and raise you an Amazing Grace , Jamie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMzs7ZW2tMs
Posted by: Corey
| April 28, 2008 9:33 AM
Craig...thank you for the video...especially Ben and Jennifer (was that Gary Busey lurking behind them? -- the video was a bit dark and I couldn't make out the faces that well).
I am listening to the Wright Q&A.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| April 28, 2008 9:36 AM
Watch Wright answer these questions.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 28, 2008 9:37 AM
I think it started at the big dinner where Imus was the featured entertainment way back then......those cats have to run that string out themselves......Im for Hillary, I listen to Imus, and I wouldnt vote for john mccain for anything anywhere.
Posted by: sturgeone | April 28, 2008 9:38 AM
Have been listening to Gregory over wabcradio.com. Goodness, they have a lot of commercials on that station! But, Gregory is worth it. Should be required listening for white folk and black folk alike.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 28, 2008 9:40 AM
That woman is making me so nervous...she needs to ask Wright the questions off camera.
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| April 28, 2008 9:41 AM
This is getting ugly
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 28, 2008 9:44 AM
Wright is certainly full of himself...no?
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| April 28, 2008 9:47 AM
I agree, he's putting on a good show.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 28, 2008 9:49 AM
it's been a treat for me too......brings back the days of Lenny Bruce ............
nostalgia aint what it used to be.........
Posted by: sturgeone | April 28, 2008 9:50 AM
who is the person asking the questions and who wrote them?
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 28, 2008 9:51 AM
Lardass....
happy..... happy..... here's to you and puppydom.....
you do know they're no longer called Jack Russells..... the AKC now recognizes them as Parson's terriers...... Chopper is one lucky dog, IMO....
sturg.... I've noticed you've taken to using my style of posting.... I like all these "........." welcome to the fold...... it makes writing stream of consciousness so much easier.....
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Posted by: RebelliousRenee
| April 28, 2008 9:52 AM
Corey
If you are going to do that, let's get up on our feet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9uEq9Sjefg&feature=related
Posted by: Jamie
| April 28, 2008 9:57 AM
Mika looks like she is gonna puke
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| April 28, 2008 9:57 AM
Today's question:
Can the Clintons use Rev Wright to gain superdelegates, or not?
Will the Democratic party risk losing the support of blacks, or risk the inevitable GOP racist assault with Wright as Willie Horton?
Damned if they do, and damned if they don't.
Posted by: nash
| April 28, 2008 9:58 AM
Wright is a bright man with an ego...I guess I can understand he would want to protect his legacy....on the same line of thinking, HRC has the same right to protect her 30+ years of experience.
Faux News analysis is interesting....
No matter what, I do not think this helps BHO.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| April 28, 2008 10:00 AM
Racism is a conundrum...victims of segregation seemingly wanting to segregate themselves even more. Uniters claiming to unite while dividing.
I really felt when Andersting was posting this weekend about how BHO was her brother, she was truly speaking from her heart. It really hit home for me and I totally respect her for that feeling. I understand it. I also feel HRC is my sister. I have the same powerful feelings about her. Now can the dem extended family get it together by August to determine who is going to win the "photo finish" race of the dem nomination?
Posted by: Blonde wino
| April 28, 2008 10:07 AM
Good morning everyone,
Just point to share from my perspective, many I know people are just plain losing interest in the whole political primary debacle. I personally have not watched any political news for three weeks. I know I am a political novice but I am an interested and active in politics none the less. Even my elderly Mother, who has been political her whole life, is burned out. Our state Ohio, has already voted, so that could be a contributing factor to political burn out.
Life continues, the weather is better, children are returning from college, proms and weddings abound. I feel there is a huge flaw to the theory that later in the GE issues such as Rev. Wright will not be as effective against BHO because it will be “old news.” I believe it will be fresh news to those of us who have turn off the political media machines. And not only will it seem new, but more importantly these issues will actually carry more weight because people are voting for POTUS not just a party nominee.
Have a wonderful day.
~peace
LL - I love the name you picked for your puppy....Chopper : )
( you need to show a pic )
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 28, 2008 10:10 AM
Damned if they do, damned if they don't. This is from HuffPo on Will Hillary may be unelectable.
*****
Clinton has long been perceived as unelectable because half the voting population would not cast a ballot for her under any circumstance. This used to be an unfair assessment, as her husband demonstrated by winning with 43% of the vote in 1992, and George W. Bush did with 48% in 2000. In recent months, however, this presumed inelectability has come to pass, as attitudes towards Clinton have hardened and deteriorated to the point that 60% of Americans find her dishonest and untrustworthy.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-jenkins/clinton-not-exactly-the-g_b_98789.html
Posted by: nash
| April 28, 2008 10:12 AM
Nash...I thought Arian looked really stupid on Bill Maher on Friday night...Huffpo is becoming so blase.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| April 28, 2008 10:17 AM
Make that Ariana...dropping letters again.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| April 28, 2008 10:19 AM
Rev Wright is not doing Obama any good. Wright's ego is a big turnoff and his style of oratory is too much for most people.
This is why the Dem super-Ds have to settle this thing fast. If it goes all the way to the convention undecided, McCain will win.
Posted by: nash
| April 28, 2008 10:19 AM
Is she dis-honest or just being a politician. The questions asked in polls are usually very "leading", I think we already know how that works.
Too bad that the desire to mis-lead is greater then the desire to simply report.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 28, 2008 10:21 AM
burrito
They are all politicians including BHO. The LA Times article (Wendy posted the link yesterday) that ended with BHO's quote from his book that he didn't have good credit in 2000...made me wonder how he was able to get a loan for a 1.75 million dollar home a few years later? His campaign financial manager, Penny, may have arranged for 100% financing from her bank (which later failed as one of the first sub-prime 'house of cards' banks to fail).
It is still my cynical nature to think politicians have to be full of sh*t...nature of the beast.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| April 28, 2008 10:28 AM
On some personal notes...LL great news about Chopper. Sturg...before I went to bed last night, thinking about the dem family...if BIG RICH had a son, would he be called "little dick?"
Posted by: Blonde wino
| April 28, 2008 10:31 AM
Exactly Blonde w,
Therefore why is it any news to report that a politician is seen as dis-honest by a group of people that have been told that politician lies. It is moronic at best.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 28, 2008 10:32 AM
Morning peeps,
Well Wright is nothing is nothing if not entertaining. I thought he brought things up that we as a nation really need to start addressing. One thing that I'm struck by while listening to Wright is that we are not only dealing with a racial divide here but also a generational one. I certainly agree that his timing sucks, but I can understand why he feels the need to speak out, he's a man who feels wounded and that he's been treated unfairly and he's not the type of man who would sit back and let this happen to him. But certainly one thing the whole Wright story reinforces for me too much religion in American politics.
Posted by: BrianInNYC
| April 28, 2008 10:33 AM
I wonder if Wright was McCain's or Clinton's pastor how would the media treated it.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 28, 2008 10:36 AM
In light of Rep. Clyburn's statement of last week the Clinton campaign would do well to stay away from the Wright story.
Posted by: BrianInNYC
| April 28, 2008 10:37 AM
Brian...on that we most definitely agree. As I have always said, thank God for separation of church and state. (I know this excluded the atheists -- I guess I should replace "God" with "the glue that holds this all together.") So, thanks to the "glue that holds this all together" for separation of church and state.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| April 28, 2008 10:39 AM
Yahoo had an article (which is gone now) on H Dean saying that one of the candidates must (note must) drop out after last primary June 3rd. Even though the dnc rules say that they can stay in until the convention.
Said they would know which one mus drop out.
Yes, like either one is going to drop out if neither one has the required number of delegates.. Some sd's may not declare until convention.
Julie
Posted by: Julie - Young 73 | April 28, 2008 10:41 AM
Julie...Dean will say and do anything not to face the Florida and Michigan delegate problem.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| April 28, 2008 10:44 AM
" Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace "
I wish John Lennon was still alive.
Off to work, have a great day,
~ peace
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 28, 2008 10:45 AM
The good news:
*Dems are registering hundreds of thousands of new voters and raising incredible amounts of cash.
* Bush's arrogant refusal to change ANYTHING is hurting the GOP.
*McCain is a flawed candidate.
Posted by: nash
| April 28, 2008 10:45 AM
JMc's win or lose in November will depend upon his choice for VP. If he would pick Bloomberg, I may look at him in a different light.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| April 28, 2008 10:48 AM
Roland Martin and David Gergan are saying on CNN that Wright is really hurting Obama with his National Press Club speech.
If Wright had gotten his ego under control and just stressed the good works of his ministry, things might be different.
Wright's arrogance is present in every presentation. I wouldn't have lasted two sermons, much less 20 years in his church.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | April 28, 2008 10:52 AM
Blonde W:
Yesterday on the russert show, Dean also said that Fl and Mi would be seated at the convention ** in some way**. Wonder what he meant? Thought that they would be seated or not seated. May 29th is day the committee is supposed to hold meetings to decide.
In all honesty, I do not think Dean has done the dnc a good job - other than trying to get grasswork voters.
Julie
Posted by: Julie - Young 73 | April 28, 2008 10:53 AM
BW & UB,
Here's a article on some of BO finances if you'r e interested.It mentions book advances and other incomes. btw , the house deal was in 2004/05 after he sold his other house for @400K.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3499430.ece
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 28, 2008 10:54 AM
I thought his speech was OK this morning but he got a little wound up answering the questions.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 28, 2008 10:54 AM
julie - that article is the lead article over at HuffPo (forgive me, glue, for I have sinned).
Sturg - Li'l Pogo's band played their first gig Saturday - they done good - with their song (Green Day's "Basket Case"). I told the little guy they need to learn a couple more songs before their next gig - the school talent show. As the band's manager and road crew, setting up is too damn hard for one song.
Posted by: pogo
| April 28, 2008 10:59 AM
Hey OD,
I agree no one should vote for Wright. He would make a terrible prez.
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 28, 2008 10:59 AM
I sure hope that William Ayers is not next on the stump to try to clear his name. I know a quick way Obama can change the media coverage and agree to a one on one debate right away.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 28, 2008 10:59 AM
Rez....just more on how BHO is not a working class hero. And Julie...just more on how Dean wants a candidate BEFORE he has to seat Florida and Michigan...still negating the vote in those states.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| April 28, 2008 11:02 AM
Nash, about Reverend Wright... his prominence among the NAACP and Black clergy, Donna Brazile made the important point on THIS WEEK that his reappearance has nothing to do with Barack Obama, but with the Black community's identity with the Black Church. The attacks on Rev. Wright is seen as an attack on the collective Black identity because the Black Church is the single most important institution in their culture. (I know you know this). Before other institutions were available by and large to Black people, the Black Church was the meeting place, not only for spirituality, but also fellowship, and planning .. i.e. the civil rights movement. So the attack on Reverend Wright is seen as an attack on the Black Church, and this is outside of politics or Barack Obama
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 28, 2008 11:02 AM
The media just created a new media star in Wright. he should not of been given this much air time.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 28, 2008 11:03 AM
Pogo...I see we go to the same church. : )
Posted by: Blonde wino
| April 28, 2008 11:05 AM
BW, '"working class hero" ? Guess i missed that campaign slogan.
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 28, 2008 11:06 AM
julie & blondie, dean appears oblivious to the effect the MI & FL kerfuffle is having on dem voters - or at least a good number of dem voters who support Hillary. The problem with the DNC drawing a line in the sand is that it has made dean harden a position that should be addressed flexibly. His approach has been something between Pollyanna and the Terminator - and those are two roles that are pretty difficult to reconcile.
Posted by: pogo
| April 28, 2008 11:07 AM
The media states over and over that whites are racial because they are not voting for the black candidate. It is not that some whites would not vote for a black candidate, it is that some whites won't vote for THIS black candidate. I wish someone would say that to the talking heads!!! They are making this racial. I think there is more reluctance to vote for a generic woman that a generic black, even among women.
Posted by: Wigs | April 28, 2008 11:09 AM
LL...just read your post about Mika...morning sickness? Maybe she is carrying the love child of Mojo.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| April 28, 2008 11:09 AM
Donna Brazille (sp?) also responded on This Week roundtable about the role of SD's in the nomination of the Democratic candidate for Prez. George Stephanopoulos asked if it is even conceivable that Hillary can win the nomination because as it stands, she will be behind in popular vote and delegates. Donna said she's been talking with a lot of SDs and the end vote is not going to be their deciding factor. They are going to be looking at both Barack and Hillary and deciding which one is most likely to defeat John McCain in the fall. It won't come down to who is in first or second place, but who is the strongest in the general election. Everyone agreed it's gonna get ugly and bloody. I was surprised that no one suggested the "Dream Team" ticket again, because as Donna said, the Dems need both the African American vote and the Women's vote to win.
Matthew Dowd kept referring to Barack as the candidate of the 21st century and Hillary as the candidate of the 20th century. I thought that was weird, but ok.
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 28, 2008 11:11 AM
blondie, or at least have the same belief system. (I do go to church - catholic of all things - it's a family thang -but you can see my level of belief). :)
Posted by: pogo
| April 28, 2008 11:12 AM
Pogo...with Dean the head of the DNC and Pelosi the chair of the convention...maybe the dems are doomed?
Posted by: Blonde wino
| April 28, 2008 11:12 AM
Pogo..it sort of "sticks" to you, huh?
Posted by: Blonde wino
| April 28, 2008 11:13 AM
not necessarily doomed, but it makes it harder than it has to be.
Posted by: pogo
| April 28, 2008 11:14 AM
Sorry Wigs but in PA a sizable block of the voter population admitted that race was an issue for them. As Gwen Ifill pointed out yesterday on MTP we spend a lot of time in this society talking about race, and very little time talking about racism.
Posted by: BrianInNYC
| April 28, 2008 11:15 AM
"I wonder if Wright was McCain's or Clinton's pastor how would the media treated it."
For Clinton, we already know how the media dealt with that nest of people plotting world domination, better known as the Capitol Hill prayer group.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 28, 2008 11:15 AM
Rez...did you miss the interview with Chris Wallace yesterday? BHO made an effort to position himself as a working class hero...and Axelrod will be trying to champion this cause over the next few weeks. I know these guys do not follow polls, but are pure of heart and cause. Politicians!
Posted by: Blonde wino
| April 28, 2008 11:18 AM
Brian, visualizing her graphic, race is a much more significant factor for black voters than white.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 28, 2008 11:19 AM
I don't know how much it sticks - it's more like the old woman who took her laundry to the river in the basket and dipped it in without doing anything else to clean the clothes - can't hurt. Plus it makes the wife and kid happier than if I went out & did something without them.
Posted by: pogo
| April 28, 2008 11:19 AM
I think we are seeing the Obama press slowly beginning to backtrack as they get a sneaking suspicion that they may have bet on the wrong horse.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | April 28, 2008 11:20 AM
And, black voters can choose to stay at home instead of voting. How did that work out for Sunni voters?
Posted by: Flatus
| April 28, 2008 11:21 AM
Pogo...another conundrum...if the dem political process is so manufactured, how can we let it go its natural course to convention?
Posted by: Blonde wino
| April 28, 2008 11:22 AM
This is intesting: http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/28/ap-poll-clinton-has-better-chance-at-beating-mccain/
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 28, 2008 11:24 AM
You all have converted me. I really like "glue". It fits right in with my basic belief that the universe is wondous and whatever is responsible for the prime cause is too far beyond my ken for me to issue instructions on how to make it all work.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 28, 2008 11:25 AM
"Asked about Coe’s influence on Hillary Clinton, people close to her told NBC News that she does not consider him one of her leading spiritual advisors. They added that Senator Clinton has never contributed to Coe’s group, is not a member of The Fellowship and has never heard the sermons obtained by NBC News. And, they said, Doug Coe is not Hillary Clinton’s minister.
Coe declined repeated requests for an interview. But a close friend told NBC News that Doug Coe invokes Hitler only to show the power of small groups -- for good and bad. And, the friend said, Coe spends “99 percent” of his time during the sermons talking about the leadership model set by Jesus Christ. "
http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/03/857959.aspx
Posted by: BrianInNYC
| April 28, 2008 11:25 AM
The "who's most electable" argument is silly because one of the things we have learned from Karl Rove is that you can attack anyone, with anything. No one is safe. You can even make stuff up, and the MSM will cover it.
Posted by: nash
| April 28, 2008 11:26 AM
I would like to see new polls taken in the states that already voted and see if they would turn out the same.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 28, 2008 11:26 AM
blondie, I think howie may be right - hillary or barack will know when it's time to fold without dean's input - of course ole howie is probably burning up his anytime minutes with uncommitted SDs, telling them they better declare before mid june or he'll hold his breath until he turns blue.
Posted by: pogo
| April 28, 2008 11:27 AM
vadaryl, In the caucus states, you can only poll those who went to the caucuses.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 28, 2008 11:30 AM
Is Dean out there today trying to get attention away from the Wright story?
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 28, 2008 11:30 AM
Let's poll everyone, if the SD's job is to pick the person they fell has the best chance of winning in the November no matter if we feel that is correct or not, then help them out.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 28, 2008 11:34 AM
Well, it is clear this is a horse race to the end. Nobody wants a photo finish, but it seems the most likely outcome unless someone stumbles. I sure know that each side is trying to muddy the track. And another sure thing...lots of $$ spent on betting.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| April 28, 2008 11:34 AM
Wright has hurt Obama again and signals what to expect if Obama wins the nomination. Wright wants his problems to be about the Black Church and not about himself. What an absurd response to the question about his claims regarding AIDS. No, his view isn't about different, but about deficient in rational thinking. He deflects, has a huge ego, avoids tough questions and blames others in much the same Obama has done.
Wright was nasty to the questioner and belittles Obama's rejection of the remarks Wright made. He implies that Obama did not read his sermons and says what a Politician needs to say to get elected. Wright doesn't even have the good sense to keep quiet and compares attacks on his words as beating his mother. Quite a display.
And of course hew was allowed to fill the hall with his supporters. As I said, Obama will be his own undoing while Obama clams he has the temperment and intelligence to be the President. I think he is simply comparing himself to Bush 2
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 28, 2008 11:34 AM
I attended a Howard Dean rally in Portland in 2004. was impressed with him, but..
Not dealing with Mich. and Florida will be a terrible mistake in the Nov. election..
The fairest would be to re-vote in Mich. and to honor the Florida primary vote..
Also acceptable to me would be re-votes in both states.
Anything less than these alternatives will leave really bad taste in supporters' mouths.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | April 28, 2008 11:35 AM
Dean did an outstanding job yesterday on MTP and was right on the money. Trying to navigate a path between two strong candidates who are almost tied cannot be an easy task. And as he said repeatedly his job is enforce the rules and do what he can to make sure a Democratic is elected in November.
Hours after Senator Barack Obama of Illinois and former Senator John Edwards of North Carolina agreed to sign a loyalty pledge put forward by party officials in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York followed suit. The decision seemed to dash any hopes of Mrs. Clinton relying on a strong showing in Florida as a springboard to the nomination.
“We believe Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina play a unique and special role in the nominating process,” Patti Solis Doyle, the Clinton campaign manager, said in a statement.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/02/us/politics/02dems.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Posted by: BrianInNYC
| April 28, 2008 11:36 AM
Black, white, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Italian, Irish, etc. We are all children on God's earth. There are good And Bad in all of the races. Can't it just be said that we do not like the man as a politician rather than be called racist if we do not embrace him..
One of my fondest memories, a childhood friend lived across the street from a black family (only one in the neighborhood) , every Fri & Sat night they would gather and sing acapella(sp) ,religious and old songs of the black people. Sometimes the two of us whities would join on the outskirts of the circle and sing with them, & eat BBQ after the singing. Most beautiful music in the world. This 1940's small town in Oklahoma..
Julie
Posted by: Julie - Young 73 | April 28, 2008 11:36 AM
Fabulous! I'm covering my town's volunteer appreciation banquet Thursday ... maybe I should do something similar. Nah, probably not.
Posted by: Mary Kitt-Neel
| April 28, 2008 11:37 AM
I have a problem voting for a candidate that does not want all the votes counted. Forget the rules, don't blame the voters for their mess up. I don't blame the FL and MI voters if they don't vote for either candidate in November.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 28, 2008 11:40 AM
Oh, to LardassLiberal: good luck to you, sir. My former mother-in-law likened raising her Jack Russell to having four or five children under the age of 5, all with ADHD, all at the same time. That doggie is now 8 and is just now beginning to settle down. But smart! That breed is smarter than some humans I know.
Posted by: Mary Kitt-Neel
| April 28, 2008 11:43 AM
vad - I wouldn't hold my breath - hard to find funding for polls after the contests they predict have occured. You can be pretty confident, based on the national polls and tracking polls, that they would not be like they were before. And if you want to try and keep your head from exploding, go check out the various polls over the past week or two re: dem candidate preference. And one very interesting poll to check out is newsweek - it's about the 5th poll down. Tends to throw cold water on the "most popular vote, most delegates, most states won" argument. Apparently dems want the most qualified candidate if the SDs have to decide it.
http://pollingreport.com/wh08dem.htm
And to throw more uncertainty into the mix, here's the general election poll page.
http://pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm
Posted by: pogo
| April 28, 2008 11:43 AM
Dean was interviewed this morning by CNN and failed to answer the tough questions. He looked stupid and you could see his anger boiling under his skin. When asked about the Republicans moving up the Democratic primary in Florida, he still blamed Democratic voters. I got a call from the DNC last night and told them for now my money was for Hillary. The caller said he understood as he too, was a Hillary supporter.
I am still shocked that no one asked Wright if he believes Jesus was a Black Palestinian and he defended Farrakhan as making his most troubling remarks years ago. Well, Gaddafi just days ago said Gaza was like a Nazi concentration camp and that Israel does not have any claim to pre-1967 borders. This is the guy Farrakhan and Wright met. Again, Wright dug a deeper hole and McCain has jumped all over it. Now Obama is forced to reject Wright again, but this time, people might consider what Wright said about Obama -that he will say what ever he must to get elected.
Goof job Wright.....
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 28, 2008 11:45 AM
Well vadaryl did you email Senator Clinton your concerns when she signed a pledge stating something different to the stand she's taken now. And no we won't forget the rules thank you very much they were put in place for a reason. And as Dean pointed out yesterday part of the reason the calendar was set the way it was was to insure that minority voices would be part of the nomination process. And what do you tell the 48 states that have followed the rules? And come on, this self righteous stand taken by HillCo in defense of voters right is a crock of shit, it's not selling.
Posted by: BrianInNYC
| April 28, 2008 11:47 AM
vadaryl I'm curios, are you a registered Dem, Repub, or Ind?
Posted by: BrianInNYC
| April 28, 2008 11:49 AM
Jamie...all are welcome in the church of the glue...our universal hope is that the glue won't fail.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| April 28, 2008 11:53 AM
Flatus,
"And, black voters can choose to stay at home instead of voting. How did that work out for Sunni voters?'
And so to, can dems vote for McCain when Obama wins the nom, and see what that gets them if JM is elected.
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 28, 2008 11:55 AM
Got to go...have a great day, be careful out there and watch out for the other guy.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| April 28, 2008 11:59 AM
BW,
i don't think Obama is being pretentious about his beginnings or his lifestyle up until 2005. I do think he's trying to improve his image and favorableness with blue collar voters, but WCH is a bit too much and not a meme of his campaign, in my opinion.
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 28, 2008 12:01 PM
yes, jamie, welcome - know that some of us gluians suspect that gravity is actually the one true glue, but it was too complicated for primitive human minds to accept, so glue seemed like a good symbol. Other schools of thought are that the strong force or weak force is the one true glue. Happily, gluism has no belief system that specifies adherance to any doctrine concerning what is or is not the one true glue and is open to any speculation of what the one true glue is, so no need to worry about having to form an offshoot church to follow one or the other line of thinking.
Posted by: pogo
| April 28, 2008 12:05 PM
I'm off to telephone for Hillary..Have a good day!
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | April 28, 2008 12:05 PM
"More than a half century later, “McCarthyism” was joined in the lexicon by “Swiftboating,” the art of the smear campaign mounted with the intention not of documenting a wrong, but of covering the victim with slime enough to cast doubt on his or her integrity. Now, in 2008, after a primary season increasingly marked by dirty pool and low blows, “McCarthyism” and “Swiftboating” have come together in a particularly lethal and despicable form. I refer to the startling revelation — proclaimed from the housetops by both the Clinton and McCain campaigns — that Barack Obama ate dinner at William Ayers’s house, served with him on a board and was the honored guest at a reception he organized."
http://fish.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/much-ado/?8ty&emc=ty
Posted by: BrianInNYC
| April 28, 2008 12:08 PM
"our universal hope is that the glue won't fail."
We all hang together or we all hang separately?
Posted by: Jamie
| April 28, 2008 12:15 PM
Thanks everyone for the warm welcome for Chopper...
Unlikely...the story on the name is funny. The rescue place listed his name as "Chopper", but when I got there they told me that was just a computer-generated name and they hadn't really been using it to call him. But I told them, hell, I love that name -- it's perfect for him. So I kept it.
RebRen...I saw the Parson's Terrier nomenclature in several of the informational sites I visited in advance of adopting Chopper, and it sort of confused me. Thanks for explaining.
Mary Kitt...if you're right about this dog getting any smarter than he already seems to be, I may just have to register him with a TypeKey screen name so he can post here. He's for Hillary, by the way.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 28, 2008 12:19 PM
I can envision that adhereing to gluism could incline one to fatalism, since we are all so obviously stuck.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 28, 2008 12:26 PM
Obama did more with Ayers than what someone described above..He had fund raisers with him, gave speeches together, shared similar views on who would get funding at Woods Fund and by his own admission, was friendly towards him. So let's be real.
McCarthy had a logical basis for his witch hunt and history has shown the Soviets did get vital secrets from Americans. There was nothing wrong in uncovering real espionage. Certainly the bitter rubbish Davis wrote was not exactly pro-American and why would a university hire this guy?
The problem with McCarthyism was the extent he went in trying to make criminal one's political sentiment. Just because one is a memeber of the communist party does not mean they engaged in spying for the Soviets. There is no law that bans the expression of political thought. Such witch hunt behavior is unAmerican.
The idea however, that voters and media do not have a right to question a candidate's claims to centrism because their history shows friendships with radicals is a joke. Any employer can refuse to hire a person that advocates the victory of an anti-American regime or State. A person gravitates towards people who share similar thinking and Obama's long list shows a strong tendency to associate with people who stand in stark contrast to the image he is trying to sell. No one is suggesting Obama has done something illegal by being friends with one of the clumsiest of terrorists or a Pastor with radical thinking including America creating AIDs to kill Black people. No one is saying Obama broke the law by asking Zbig, McPeak or Malley to be his advisors. No one is saying Obama should be incarcerated for lifting Yes We Can from the Soviet Era.
No, don't be fooled by those people who want to exaggerate what is really going on in order to defect reasonble judgments of character. A persidential candidate with a small resume ought to be examined closely. Friends, advisors, financial backers, mentors matter. And if they share a common thread, then it is reasonable to assume Obama was drawn to them because of a shared view of the world. Nothing criminal about this, but fair observations by which to judge whether that candidate should be the next President and whether his campaign rhetoric should be believed. Obama wants us to reason that his associations do not matter and yet he goes to some length to distance himself from them when exposed. It is getting rather ugly at this point and Obama has only himself to blame.
Calling such vetting "Swift-boating" is BS. Show me where these associations are lies?
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 28, 2008 12:53 PM
Awesome video, Craig, as always!
(Also, I'm sure you could get a bunch of us to stand in the Peanut Gallery and cheer when you showed up, a la the rest of the screaming little fangirls.)
Posted by: Julia | April 28, 2008 12:54 PM
BrianinNYC I am a registered DEM.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 28, 2008 1:00 PM
definitions,
Swiftboating: See Maxtrue
Posted by: LOL | April 28, 2008 1:01 PM
SurveyUSA just released a new IND. poll
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 28, 2008 1:04 PM
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=fbedb864-ec9d-47ab-87f2-c41203a87585&q=45558
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 28, 2008 1:05 PM
In a time of youtube and the media "sound byte", we are often force fed only one side of a person. This video shows just a small sample of what Jeremiah Wright has done for America! The media and their agenda has grossly distorted this mans legacy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSasdw6-llk
Posted by: Go Reverend Wright!!!! | April 28, 2008 1:09 PM
"He had fund raisers with him" . . singular not plural.
" gave speeches together". . at a conference on education not bomb making.
"shared similar views on who would get funding at Woods Fund" . . along with seven other prominent Chicago area individuals.
" was friendly towards him" met him when Ayers was a professer. i'm sure he didn't slap him at that first meeting.
Get it right without the insinuation if you're going to BS about it.
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 28, 2008 1:13 PM
Actually, that would be pretty funny, sort of along the lines of Monty Python's political groupies sketch:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xgAihJ5WVEA&feature=related
"A good debate is just FABULOUS!"
Posted by: Julia | April 28, 2008 1:13 PM
If someone is just about to win the nomination then why is there numbers dropping so fast? Is this a signal that something going wrong.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 28, 2008 1:14 PM
One more time...
Actually, that would be pretty funny, along the lines of Monty Python's political groupies sketch:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xgAihJ5WVEA&feature=related
"A good debate is just FABULOUS!!!"
Posted by: Julia | April 28, 2008 1:16 PM
Sorry for the double post. Computer/brainfart. D=
Posted by: Julia | April 28, 2008 1:18 PM
Max I didn't realize you're such a fan of the late disgraced senator from Wisconsin. I can't say I'm surprised though.
Posted by: BrianInNYC
| April 28, 2008 1:20 PM
Rev. Jeremiah Wright... Fox Lies! Show the whole story!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbEzHdV24AU
Posted by: Go Reverend Wright!!!! | April 28, 2008 1:20 PM
Obama has been saying I have been running for 15 months now, it's getting a little old, It may take a few more months. Next primary it will be 16.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 28, 2008 1:23 PM
The Dem voters have spoken and Obama is their choice. The last few remaining primaries will not change that. Even though many have doubts about Obama, if the super-delegates overturn the will of the voters, and install Hillary, there will be hell to pay.
The way to deal with Rev Wright problem is to ignore him and go on the attack against McCain, on the issues.
We must trust that the voters in the general election (for once) will not be fooled by the GOP swiftboating that brought them eight years of Bush.
Posted by: nash
| April 28, 2008 1:28 PM
Have they spoken then why is this happening.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080428/ap_on_el_pr/presidential_race_ap_poll;_ylt=Aukdr39gn.MeC0O4MlcAqPes0NUE
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 28, 2008 1:31 PM
Clinton rules at the Olympics?
China announced today that judges at the 2008 Olympics would be allowed to award the gold medal to the #2 competitor in any event, if, in the opinion of the judges, the #1 competitor "had too much baggage, went to a church with a controversial pastor, or refused to run dirty race."
Posted by: nash
| April 28, 2008 1:33 PM
The SD's were created to decide which candidate they think has the best chance of winning, not what the voters say. Like it or not!!!!! if they play a rule then let them make their decision based on why they were created.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 28, 2008 1:33 PM
I have never been a big fan of H Dean. Didn't vote for him in 04, and don't think he's handled this primary cycle well. But, one good thing I can say; he came to Kerry's support after the convention in a big way and campaigned many places for Kerry, etc. . Plus, more importantly, he didn't vilify Kerry during the campaign.
I can't say this about Hillary and I don't envision her (them) being on the stump for Obama in the fall, because they would have to eat to many words and back peddle to far to campaign for him.
I beginning to believe those who suggest that these last few months of the primary have and will be about her shot in 2012.
Move over G-man, I'm joining the conspiracy party.
Hopefully, I'm wrong about her.
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 28, 2008 1:36 PM
In the future this should be changed, count all the votes and winner take all. But this is what we have this year and we all have to live with it. So if one candidate wins over the other then so be it and hopefully they make the right decision and win in November.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 28, 2008 1:36 PM
vadaryl: I think if you look back in history, you'll find that the super-Ds were created primarily to prevent a black man from being nominated.
Posted by: nash
| April 28, 2008 1:38 PM
Disenfranchisement of voters in Indiana in 2008 and elsewhere now that the SCOTUS upheld the need for voters to have a government issued ID to vote.
"As Adam B points out, the Supreme Court has just disenfranchised thousands and thousands of black and Latino people. In upholding Indiana's picture ID voter requirement, they've assured that all states controlled by Republicans will immediately pass similar laws. If you have ever spent time in the inner city, you know that very few people have driver's licenses or passports, and that it costs $60-$80 to go down to the Division of Motor Vehicles or Secretary of State and get a photo ID. Most young people either have no picture ID, or use a student ID for identification purposes."
Read more at link below.
http://www.boomantribune.com/
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| April 28, 2008 1:38 PM
jamie, either we all hang (actually, stick would be a better choice) together or we fly apart (gravity) or disintegrate (strong or weak force). That hanging stuff is soooo 18th century.
Posted by: pogo
| April 28, 2008 1:38 PM
We might say if the other is selected I won't vote, but come November most people will vote for the selected candidate.
Posted by: vadaryl
| April 28, 2008 1:41 PM
BTW Max I keep meaning to ask you, what's your stand on the JDL and the settlements.
Posted by: BrianInNYC
| April 28, 2008 1:42 PM
nash I guess you haven't heard, second is the new first.
Posted by: BrianInNYC
| April 28, 2008 1:46 PM
Yeah Jamie those nooses hung from the tree in the school yard were playful nostalgia, not acts of terrorism.
Posted by: BrianInNYC
| April 28, 2008 1:50 PM
hanged, not hung, silly mistake.
Posted by: BrianInNYC
| April 28, 2008 1:51 PM
FYI pogo hanging is a legal form of execution in both Deleware and Washington.
Posted by: BrianInNYC
| April 28, 2008 1:53 PM
The nooses were hung; people were hanged by the nooses that hung from the tree. It's hell being a pedant..
Posted by: F