Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Not only is the phone ringing, but after someone answers it there are other people listening to the conversation.

Hey, in an economy like this one, who can sleep?

8~)

Al Gore won't endorse Obama so Obama endorses him. An old and kind of cheap political stunt.

You're not gonna add *teacher* to your name now are you , Sheila? By the way Sheila , way back in August I did sign up for that "Quechup". However , I've never done anything with it. Today , I got a message from some 31 year-old woman from Sweden who said she is traveling to the U.S. this Summer. She is looking to make new friends.

Political Stunts are kind of his stock in trade.

bad economy ....say hello to Margaritaville

Well drink the margaritas, but where you gonna go when ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxuaUaS4rU0&feature=related

Anyone know the status of the housing bill in the senate? I've had C-SPAN on for 30 min. or so waiting, but it seems they've not given the results of the smoky back room meeting that was supposed to hash this thing out. It just says that the Banking Cmte. leaders were supposed to present a bill outline "today."

Ooh. The Simpsons just came on. Never mind.

THE AGE OF THE NOVEL: A golden age of novelization began in 1992.

...Michael Gerson begins his column with one of this era’s earliest tales. Please enjoy the “dramatic moment” as we get to hear, once again, the dramatic tale in which the vile, imperious Bill Clinton “humiliates” a great good man:

GERSON (4/2/08): Sen. Robert P. Casey Jr.’s endorsement of Barack Obama last week...recalled another dramatic moment in Democratic politics. In the summer of 1992, as Bill Clinton solidified his control over the Democratic Party, Robert P. Casey, Sr., the senator's father, was banned from speaking to the Democratic convention for the heresy of being pro-life.

But the story is not so simple. According to those who actually doled out the 1992 convention speaking slots, Casey was denied a turn for one simple reason: his refusal to endorse the Clinton-Gore ticket. "It's just not factual!" stammers James Carville, apoplectic over Casey's claims. "You'd have to be idiotic to give a speaking role to a person who hadn't even endorsed you." "Why are you doing this to me?" moans Paul Begala, who, with Carville, managed two Casey campaigns before joining Clinton's team in 1992. " I love Bob Casey, but my understanding was that the dispute was not about his right-to-life views, it was about the Clinton-Gore ticket."

http://dailyhowler.com/

The more lies that were told about Al Gore, the more the media accused him of dishonesty. John Kerry's wartime heroism became a liability in comparison to the signature draft-dodging of the Bush administration. Clinton's exaggerated account of bravery in Bosnia was reprehensible, and dumb, but the pundits howling in rage were unmoved by the casual and continual fictions of Ronald Reagan. Concentration-camp liberations, imaginary black friends, millionaire welfare queens — Reagan manufactured them monthly, and whenever it was revealed they had no basis in fact, he grinned his engaging grin and said, in effect, “You didn't take me seriously, did you?” The media loved him for it.

The media does not love Hillary Clinton. (Unlike Reagan, she usually makes it impossible for them to believe they're smarter than she is.) And they're determined to keep her from winning the nomination
http://www.arktimes.com/Articles/ArticleViewer.aspx?ArticleID=09abea3a-3379-4fa4-9aff-e0f5154aa97c

I hope she won't be too fatigued and make a mistake (or misspeak) at 3 a.m.

The last time she was so fatigued, she imagined having been in a fire fight in Bosnia after the war had pretty much ended. She spoke about it as if it really, truly happened.

digs buffet's short shorts in that video.....

I guess we'll go where--- it .. don't.. snow !!!!

.....such ...happy time music....senseless brainless..

http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/02/lieberman-stabs-obama/

KGC------------------------------

The last paragraph from your link:

"It happens that the Democrats have another attractive candidate; the media seem to love him. Will they love him as much when he's running against a white male Republican? We hope so. We doubt it."

(It's all about stopping Hillary.)

As a follow up to the last thread, let me add -I actually have no clue who you all are individually. Of course, I know who Craig is. I have an idea that I annoy K and a few others, sorry. I thought bringing up my questions in this forum would yield some answers. Not many Hillary fans on the internet. You are all usually quite civil and Shelia always a doll. I see Jack has some great music picks and LL usually spot on. Even Brian can be pleasant at times and I don't mind the jabs. Here are a few requests:

Shelia,

Do me a favor and find out the answers to my questions. Doesn't it bother you that what Gordo and others have been calling attention to regarding Khadili, Auchi, AAAN, Rezko could simply be something the Media does not want to dig into? What if the suspicions are right that there is some troubling stuff? Your depending on Media to vet this is refuted by the fact that FOX had to MAKE the Wright story news. At least admit the Media doesn't vet much bad stuff on Obama and is loath to uncover troubling Islamist connections. One day was the time they spent on Al-Hanooti with no mention to Cairs. I had to dig that up myself. Let's say I'm right and there is some troubling connections with Middle Eastern Islamists and Ba'athists that Obama sported around with and that involved money. Wouldn't that connect to the anti-Israel and anti-American stuff coming from Wright and Meeks and certainly from Farrakhan? Rumor has it the Republicans don't want to show all their knives. Then add the fact that McPeak, Malley, Power and Zbig are not associated with very pro-Israel sentiment and what do you get? Please ask your sources and be honest to report what you hear. Why have this come up later? It seems you don't even want to grant the idea this stuff could be lethal.

Gordo,

Many things you say ring true. WND is something that requires vetting through other sources. Yes, they hit some correct facts, but have a credibility issue that requires vetting. I saw one story on Obama at five different blogs are leading back to WND. As far as your comments on Media, their slant is nothing like I've ever seen -even my young memories of the Vietnam War. At least Cronkite said his words were his opinion, not fact.

Jamie,

You have the link to Woods Fund and through it you can easily see the AAAN bio. Doesn't it say they collaborate with Cairs? I showed you a reputable report on Cairs. Not all the funding to AAAN is public. Why? Perhaps Woods Fund can list the sources. Wouldn't a disclosure make sense.? And will the Rezko trial bring some of these issues up. Doesn't this matter spill into Michigan? Rezko helps Obama and Obama gets funding for Khalidi. There is certainly a reasonable question of quid pro quo, yes? And if that witness who saw Obama and Auchi meet? This has nothing to the story that Obama is a secret Muslim. I could care less. It is more about the ideology and collaboration by Obama with those the American voters would find troubling and inconsistent with his public positions. One could imagine Obama supporters floating the Barak is Muslim story just to numb the public to the deeper question of past associations. Could you also follow this story up so it doesn't become an October surprise?

That said, I will leave this matter until any news I find pops up.

Burrito,

Get a head start on the weekend

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib8nH4kHjxk

Could someone explain to me what type of economic crisis would warrant waking the president at 3:00 AM?

K,
What did they mean, kill him? The voters in CT. obviously didn't want to "take him out". You know, Jews don't take kindly to this kind of talk. Lieberman was Obama mentor in Congress. Maybe he should have "taken out Obama". Now MSNBC would love that remark had it been made by the McCain camp.

Umm....it's 3 a.m. and the vending machine where I work took my money and did not give me my bottle of pop and that was the only dollar I had?

JP Morgan Pays $2 a Share for Bear Stearns

By ANDREW ROSS SORKIN
Published: March 17, 2008
In a shocking deal reached on Sunday to save Bear Stearns, JPMorgan Chase agreed to pay a mere $2 a share to buy all of Bear — less than one-tenth the

Mark Lennihan/Associated Press
The headquarters of Bear Stearns on Madison Avenue in Manhattan.

Related
Fears That Bear Stearns’s Downfall May Spread (March 17, 2008)
Fair Game: Rescue Me: A Fed Bailout Crosses a Line (March 16, 2008)
Fed Chief Shifts Path, Inventing Policy in Crisis (March 16, 2008)
Run on Big Wall St. Bank Spurs Rescue Backed by U.S. (March 15, 2008)
News Analysis: A Wall Street Domino Theory (March 15, 2008)
News Analysis: F.D.R.’s Safety Net Gets a Big Stretch (March 15, 2008)
Times Topics: Bear Stearns Companies
Times Topics: J. P. Morgan Chase & CompanyAs part of the watershed deal, JPMorgan and the Federal Reserve will guarantee the huge trading obligations of the troubled firm, which was driven to the brink of bankruptcy by what amounted to a run on the bank

The agreement ended a day in which bankers and policy makers were racing to complete the takeover agreement before financial markets in Asia opened on Monday, fearing that the financial panic could spread if the 85-year-old investment bank failed to find a buyer
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/17/business/17bear.html

Lieberman was Obama's mentor? huh?

Max

The point is that the Woods Fund is a legitimate charitable group that has done good work in Chicago, particularly in slum areas. Quite truthfully, I'm worried less about any potential Arabic associations that I am by Rezko. That involves money in direct support of Sen Obama. Are the charges true about his failure to cleanup slum properties? Did Sen Obama (whether knowingly or unknowingly get Rezko special treatment) etc.

Money is almost always the source of corruption. The whole religious/middle east potential conspiracy blah blah is just pretty darn far fetched. Now a lot of these charities were front organizations for Saudi funds into possible terrorist organizations. All of that came out after 9/11 but it doesn't look as if the Woods Fund was one of the ones shut down.

IOW - There just doesn't seem to be any there there other than possible financial shenanigans.

Lieberman became Obama's mentor when Obama was sworn into the Senate in 2005. They stayed close at Thursday night's event, too, entering the room together and working the crowd in tandem.

By Stephanie Reitz, Associated Press Writer | March 31, 2006

HARTFORD, Conn. --U.S. Sen. Barack Obama rallied Connecticut Democrats at their annual dinner Thursday night, throwing his support behind mentor and Senate colleague Joe Lieberman.

Obama, an Illinois Democrat who is considered a rising star in the party, was the keynote speaker at the annual Jefferson Jackson Bailey Dinner.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2006/03/31/obama_rallies_state_democrats_throws_support_behind_lieberman/

More from our favorite Times' columnist.

The Hillary Waltz
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/02/opinion/02dowd.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

http://mediamatters.org/columns/200702200003

Brian,

It's a 24 hour a day financial world. I play a game on line that involves imaginary investments on the Nikkei and the CAC. In the morning, I wake up to find out if I've made the right choices in the ovrnights. Something horrific could happen in Japan or France that would cause a major impact on US Financial markets. You can bet somebody is getting rousted out of bed.

I stand corrected.

BTW

It's not just financial. You can do sports, entertainment, politics, and news events as well

http://us.newsfutures.com/

Brian...

Crash of stockmarket in Tokyo maybe?

Collapse of European banking system?

Or -- just to toss a bone your way -- Bill is hanging out buying all the girls drinks at SCORES in NYC and he forgets the P.I.N. for his ATM card?

Those are all financial issues, I think.

Jamie even at it's best it's a stretch to think the president is going to be awakened for a market down turn in the far east.

Ooops...Jamie beat me to the "financial teaching moment."
But at least I got the scoop on SCORES.

Sheila are you going to put "Teacher" on the end of your name now?"

No Corey you snarky little butt head.... ;0)

I was trying to make a point with out getting 'A Pile On" from hurt feelings and stepped on toes. Did pretty good, I thought.

A lot more Bear Stearns Weekends are coming

http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2008/02/fdic-bracing-for-bank-failures.html

And BTW exactly what experience in high finance does Hillary have that makes her anymore qualified to deal with economic issues than Obama or for the matter McBush?

just tried to watch Tweety and BHO.....that was painful. Has anyone seen the whole show yet? Does it get better?

"What experience in high finance does Hillary have?"

C'mon Brian...you're Waaayyyy off your game tonite:

How bout cattle futures?
How bout Whitewater?
How bout Lippo group contributions?

There's all kinds of material there for you to mine based on that commercial. Do I have to write your jokes for you now?

It has been my experience as a 3rd shifter that if something happens at 3 a.m. and you call a big boss , they usually do not arrive until at least 6 a.m. Of course , if you DON'T call them , they wonder why you DIDN'T call them.

Jamie,

I just want you on the record. You can reply with a yes or no. If the following is true, will it hurt Obama?

1. Khaldi and Obama were old buddies from Columbia and Barak knew exactly what Rashid advocated.

2. Rezko met Khadili (through Obama?) and gave him money.

3. Rezko gave Obama money.

4. Rezko got some of his money from Auchi. Certainly the money to land Obama's house deal.

5. Obama knew Auchi, was aware of the money Auchi gave Rezko and the history of Auchi. (met Auchi?)

6. Obama directed money towards AAAN (Khalidi) and knew AAAN collaboarted with Cairs (despite the record and charter of Cairs at the time).

7. Obama got Trinity money through Woods Fund

8. Jesse Jackson Jr. had a relationship with Cairs

9. Jesse Jackson Jr. was appointed as co-chairman to Obama's campaign

10. Al-Hanooti arrested (spy for Saddam) and others deported, arrested and indicted from Cairs (even before 2002)

None of this will appear as Nader has claimed to be at best Pro-Palestian (Hamas)? There will be no grounds to explore Woods Fund, Khadili. Auchi in relationship to Rezko and Obama for quid pro quo? None of this will hurt the credibility of Obama in regards to Jewish voters, his foreign policy advisors or the perception that both Obama's Middle Eastern friends and his Pastor connections sport anti-Israeli positons he should have none about and which he helped fund?

This from a person who Lieberman mentored all the way to his convention speech? And during this time, Obama voiced hawkish over Iran and opposition to Hamas?

So will this hurt Obama should more evidence back this up?

LL I was looking for a serious response, so I decided not to bring those issues up. Seriously what qualifies her in this regard? She's brought the issue up, can't any of you her most ardent supporters answer the question?

Asleep At The Wheel - My Baby Thinks She's A Train lyrics

It's 3am in the morning
That train whistle is blowing
It sounds like some lonesome song
Got in my soul
My baby flipped the blanket
She won't be back no more
She makes a whistle stop
Then she's gone again
Sometimes it's hard
Hard on a poor boy's brain
Poor boys brain
I'm telling you boys
My baby thinks she's a train

[Chorus]
Lawd lawd lawdy the way she moves
Drags me round like an old caboose
I'm telling you boys thats girl's insane
My baby thinks she's a train

Choo choo ain't just some train sound
It's the noise that you hear
When my baby hits town
With her long hair flying
Man she's hard to tame
What you s'pposed to do when
Your baby thinks she's a train

She eats money like a train eats coal
She burns it up and leaves you in the smoke
If you wanna catch her ride
You wait till she unwinds
She's just like a train
She always gives some bum a ride

[Chorus]
My baby thinks she's a train

tweety asked obama why after hearing wrights remarks did he stay in the church and donate 27,000
obama said he never heard those remarks until they hit the media

LOL...habits are hard to break. I think I spelled Khalidi three different ways...LOL Sorry, I wasn't proof checking.

Max your GOP colors are showing again.

Brian...

Not sure the point of the commercial is to prove that Hillary knows how to spell "subordinated debenture."

Think it's just a standard, boilerplate political ad that says a leader like Hillary will be a capable steward of the economy. She'll hire good people, listen the right advice, yada-yada-yada. I think it's a pretty reasonable and fair claim for anyone who deigns to run for president and has gotten this far.

Nothing too sinister in any of that. What...you want security-cam footage of her working as a bank teller?

BTW...given McCain's on the record statements about not know much about the economy, it shouldn't be too hard for either Hillary OR Obama to run against him on that subject.

LL the commercial implies that she is the most qualified and has the best judgment to deal with an economic crisis, at 3:00 AM or any other the time of the day. I'd like to see something to back that up. As you've so aptly pointed out, her history proves just the opposite.

I also find it odd that she choice a format that many people found has racial undertones (though frankly I don't), but her choice to run it again does give me reason to wonder.

burito what exactly was so painful for you watch?

People vote for people they like. Then they arrange the candidates good points and bad points by way of mental rationalization so that their choice ends up making absolute perfect sense.

So whatever the tid-bit of the day is, I have yet to see anyone "budge" from their current candidate of choice. I do think that this primary is about to get really ugly. I can't imagine what will happen after PA.

--She probably ran it because it was cheap to produce. Already had a lot of the clips, and it show some consistency of message ( not that I agree with this choice)

I'm not a huge Terry Gross fan, but I have to say that she's had a couple of pretty damn good shows last night and tonight:

Last night was an interview with Steve Coll (former WashPo foreign correspondent, M.E. and now with the New Yorker), who was talking about his new book on the extended bin Laden clan. Sounds like a great book. Anyway...Coll also indicated in the interview that he believes the conditions for capturing or killing Osama bin Laden have never been greater since 9/11 than they are right now and in the next year or so. First, Coll says, OBL's support in the tribal areas of Pakistan is eroding, because plain folks there are pissed about all the jihadi violence and are more likely to drop a dime on him. Second, the new government in Pakistan has an even greater incentive than Pervo did to capture bin Laden -- just to prove that a democratic approach is better than a militaristic approach in fighting terrorism. Also, highly ironic point that Pervo has had a disincentive all these years to actually capture bin Laden because it would dry up the flow of billions from the Bush-Cheney crowd. All interesting points by Coll.

Tonight, TG interviewed Eric Lichtblau -- the NYT reporter who talked about the stories he broke on domestic wiretapping, bank-record snooping, etc., and all the pressures from the White House (fueled by outright lies and misrepresentations) that were brought to bear on him and the New York Times top brass.

Both would be worth tracking down to listen to online, if NPR posts those "Fresh Air" interviews.

Larry Sinclair Update:

Sinclair to File Affidavit Involving Obama’s Murdered Choirmaster

"Big Head DC has learned that Larry Sinclair, the Minnesota man who claims to have used drugs and had sex with Sen. Barack Obama in 1999, is in the process of filing an affidavit with homicide detectives at the Chicago Police Department. The affidavit involves Sinclair’s alleged communications with Donald Young, a gay choirmaster at Obama’s controversial church, who was murdered just before Christmas 2007. Sinclair has said that Young contacted him several times before his murder. It is believed that they discussed in detail Sinclair’s allegations"

http://bigheaddc.com/category/larry-sinclair/

I think that question is for the voters to decide , Brian. Either they believe she is the right person to do it , or they don't. But , that goes for a lot of topics. Ending the war , bringing the people of this country together etc...

"getting 'A Pile On" from hurt feelings and stepped on toes. Did pretty good, I thought. "

ROFL. Trust me. You never hurt my feelings or step on my toes.

"what exactly was so painful for you watch?"

Well, Obama continuing to lie by saying he NEVER ONCE heard any of those Rev. Wright statements for one. How is he slipping around this? The man has more teflon coating than Ronnie Raygun. Obviously he heard them at some point.

Corey...glad to see you online, and not to rub it in...but whatever is in the water up there in Detroit, it's been pretty good for my visiting Royals this week. We kicked Tiger butt again today!

(I promise, though, I'll pull for your boys in the playoffs. I like that team)

Patsi is your name burito? And he didn't say that, he said he wasn't present during the widely aired sermon, he did say he heard things were controversial things. And then he went on to state that he didn't believe in throwing out the baby with the bathwater (I paraphrase)

I don't know , LL. I'm just glad I didn't get up early ro watch the game on TV.

Oh miss the question, Brian,

I have a problem when someone is asked a question, and they just, roll it into some entirely unrelated topic, in front of impressionable college students that may not understand what the original question actual was by the end of the answer.

I know they all do it, it's politics. I just like the real answers, and most the real answers are more along the lines of , when I get into office, I will find this , that or the other thing, and then I will attempt to do this and or that - or base answer in the contexts ones own achievements. It sounded to much like his stump when I was watching.

That's all

Sen. Stabenow’s Hubby Caught In Hooker Sting

"The co-founder and former CEO of the liberal-progressive Democracy Radio and husband of U.S. Senator Debbie Stabenow was caught in February by a Troy police sting aimed at catching prostitutes, according to a police report.Thomas L. Athans was stopped Feb. 26 by undercover officers investigating a possible prostitution ring in a room at the Residence Inn near Big Beaver and Interstate 75. Athans paid a 20-year-old prostitute $150 for sex in a Troy hotel but was not arrested, according to police reports obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request by The Detroit News. The police report said officers observed Athans enter a room under surveillance and leave 15 minutes later. Detectives followed and stopped Athans’ silver 2002 Cadillac DeVille on Interstate 75 near Square Lake Road."

http://bigheaddc.com/category/debbie-stabenow/

Gordo..

Funny post. If nothing else, it proves that the distance from Square Lake to Big Beaver is never quite as far as it seems.

burito I found his answers to be quite direct, but then again I'm not watching with an eye to find fault.

Wow....Poor Stabenow.

That's where I live and work. I live 2 minutes from the sting point and I work 5 minutes from the apprehension point.

I don't care about fault, I only saw the beginning and it sounded too much like his stump.

Have you seen Obama in person? If you had, you would recognize his pattern and topics, that was my comment.

I always want to see more from candidates, either in personality, some new content, just anything that will shine more light onto th real person. What little I saw, seemed flat.

Should have stayed with it Burrito.

The more he spoke, the more a became impressed at the answers he gave.

I understand though, when someone GAG's you, its hard to sit still. Hope you can hide you eyes at some point and listen anyway.

Max,

just want you on the record. You can reply with a yes or no. If the following is true, will it hurt Obama?

1. Khaldi and Obama were old buddies from Columbia and Barak knew exactly what Rashid advocated.

Who has testified to this. Were they roomates or just attending the same 10,000 student university at the same time?

2. Rezko met Khadili (through Obama?) and gave him money.

And you know this how. Did Obama introduce them? Who says so?

3. Rezko gave Obama money.

This we know and it bothers me because of the slum associations

4. Rezko got some of his money from Auchi. Certainly the money to land Obama's house deal.

And you know this how. Who has testified to it?

5. Obama knew Auchi, was aware of the money Auchi gave Rezko and the history of Auchi. (met Auchi?)

First you say Obama knew Auchi and then you put a ? Again whose testimony? When Where?

6. Obama directed money towards AAAN (Khalidi) and knew AAAN collaboarted with Cairs (despite the record and charter of Cairs at the time).

Again whose testimony? Was this part of a grant? If so was it an umbrella grant?

7. Obama got Trinity money through Woods Fund

Who says? Whose testimony?

8. Jesse Jackson Jr. had a relationship with Cairs

Again supposition or fact

9. Jesse Jackson Jr. was appointed as co-chairman to Obama's campaign

True ... so far not a problem.

10. Al-Hanooti arrested (spy for Saddam) and others deported, arrested and indicted from Cairs (even before 2002)

Criminality in any way known to Obama?

All of this is rumor, guesses, vague association. As far as I can tell, none of it adds up to anything more than possible financial shenanigans and some of which may come out in the Rezko trial, but the whole Arabic conspiracy stuff just isn't believable without a whole lot more investigation and REAL proof.

Remember just because A has something in common with B and B has something in common with C does not mean that A has anything at all in common with C

"Funny post. If nothing else, it proves that the distance from Square Lake to Big Beaver is never quite as far as it seems."

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jamie, Max...good back and forth. Max definitely wins on pissed-off passion factor. But I think Jamie probably wins on objective debating points.

Back when the Jesuits were teaching me logic, they called what Jamie is talking about the fallacy of "post hoc ergo propter hoc," I think.

Or maybe it was "Black Hawk Helicopter prop"

I forget which.

I walked in and out of the room, I was there for the question about inner city schools, and I feel he missed a huge point there....he spoke about early childhood education...all fine and well, but he failed mention the any ideas or programs to battle the drop out rates .. here there is only 42 % graduation rate in the city.

Anyone who has children knows when they are little they listen and you control what they do. ( for the most part) However, when they get older (teens) they can screw their whole lives up with one poor decision, and that seems to be a huge social problem that needs attention.

I just wished he would have brought it up, when he had the perfect opportunity.

Well you have a low pain threshold burito based on your answer.

yeah I guess I do...I always expect too much

LaLi

I didn't use the latin even with all the lawyers in the fold. I like your translation better anyway.

Do the Black Hawk Helicopter Props have MIB suits and sunglasses for pilots?

LOL Jamie...

The Jebbies are the original "Men In Black." That's all I know.

Plus, I was mostly stoned during the logic classes, and Introduction to Metaphysics was like being stoned, even if you weren't!

"I just wished he would have brought it up, when he had the perfect opportunity."

Particularly since so many of his "good works" were in a city that has a 50% drop out rate.

I also love all these SDs saying their spoiled, rich, teenaged and college offspring in rapt, open gaped adoration of The Wondrous Obama are telling them what to do with their endorsements.

"I was mostly stoned during the logic classes, and Introduction to Metaphysics was like being stoned, even if you weren't!

Snoozed through a lot of logic so only managed a 3.0. Metaphysics was do it yourself reading ... may have slept through a lot of that as well.

Jamie I don't think that was Lee Hamilton's reason for endorsing Obama.

In a statement released by Obama's staff, Hamilton said that Obama had the "best opportunity create a new sense of national unity and to transcend divisions within this country, not by ignoring them or smoothing them over, but by working together with candor and civility to meet our challenges."

I remember a lecture class that I slept in once in a while.....expensive napping by todays standards.

wasn't it Casey who said his kids liked Obama? and Richardson?

BREAKING NEWS: Obama supporters release new campaign video today!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hAg_k69a4M

that's great video !

""best opportunity create a new sense of national unity and to transcend divisions"

IOW more hope for change

"Obama had the "best opportunity create a new sense of national unity and to transcend divisions within this country, not by ignoring them or smoothing them over, but by working together with candor and civility to meet our challenges."

So far all I've seen him do is continually play therace card, dis the baby boomer generation, trash the Clinton presidency thereby destroying the Democratic legacy and sneer at women. (remember the White House "Tea Party" snark?") He's a helluva uniter.

I don't think Richardson mentioned his kids. What's wrong with being enthusiastic about youth wanting to be involved in the process? Is it only old white women who's opinion matters this election cycle? That's right up there with only the "big states" matter.

BTW good job of Bill's throwing a hissy fit in California to SDs when he was questioned about Jame's Judas remark. That's a great way to win support, bully them!

McCain wants Obama as foe

"Conventional wisdom holds that Republican Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) would rather run against Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) than Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.). With negative opinions swirling around her and growing, it would seem the logical choice to prefer a race against Mrs. Clinton. But the opposite is probably true. John McCain knows that a campaign against Bill and Hillary Clinton would be a bloody battle that he’d rather avoid. Campaigning against Barack Obama would be a more civil affair."

http://thehill.com/david-hill/mccain-wants-obama-as-foe-2008-04-01.html

LaLi

Not saying I corrupted my children, but when my son and I took a bus from Washington DC to Salt Lake City and the driver announced Pocatello Idaho, we took one look at each other and sang ... when youre born in a trunk in the Princess Theater in Pocatello, Idaho

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYdFgfXZxp0

I do not think BHO can win the GE. People all over America will have those bumper stickers : like Jason's dad:

Don't blame me
I voted for HIllary

That's my guess at this point.

but the real stickers will spell Hillary correctly

"throwing a hissy fit in California to SDs"

He apologized, but MSNBC has been lying (yes I said lying) about this one all day.

Pres. Clinton said, "Bill told me five times that he would not endorse Sen. Obama".

The newspaper quoted Richardson as saying, "I never told anyone I would endorse Sen. Clinton".

If you look at it, both of those statements could be true, but MSNBC has been doing a "who's lying" meme all day long. It is that sort of bias and/or stupidity that drives Clinton supporters up the wall.

I could stand it if they would just announce an endorsement, but to pretend balance is nauseating.

burrito EVERY poll says you're wrong, EVERY ONE.

A Star is Born!

Great post, Jamie. And great story about you and your son in Idaho.

I think that's the movie where Hollywood actually destroyed Judy Garland. Pumped her full of uppers so she could perform, and downers so she could be controlled off camera. People should have gone to jail for those crimes.

But her talent still shone through!

That's okay Brian, I have actually been wrong before also.

Sorry Jamie but Bill Richardson is far more creditable than either of the Clintons. And yes KO reported that Clinton apologized later, I suspect he didn't help his cause at all with those SDs. And it's a rather prime example of why so many of the party elite are not crazy about Bill and Hillary returning to 1600.

This whole Bill Richardson thing is just another attempt at Billary trying to claim the victim mantle. To quote Bill "give me a break"

Too bad someone didn't catch it on video. I would love to see the video to see what really happened.

"hissy fit " ---not exactly the words anyone wants connected to their name and/or behavior.

Brian,

Did you read what I said or are you having as much trouble as Noron and Witless understanding that BOTH MEN made accurate statements? They are politicians.

Yes Jamie I read your statement, I don't agree with you, I don't find Bill Clinton creditable on this.

"I would," Obama said. "Not only will I, but I will make a commitment that Al Gore will be at the table and play a central part in us figuring out how we solve this problem. He's somebody I talk to on a regular basis. I'm already consulting with him in terms of these issues but climate change is real."

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/obama_gore/2008/04/02/84908.html?s=al&promo_code=4878-1

Part One

http://www.stop-obama.org/?p=476#more-476

On the point about lying and media

Jamie, I asked you if the perception of the associations would influence voters. Wright did not trigger any criminal charges did it? That Obama helped to organize the million man march with Farrakhan didn't result in indictments did it? The fact that even the Politifact checker gave a barely true to the Tenn Republican claims that AAAN is a controversial group speaks to perception. Even Hizb'Allah claims they provide essential social services.

Now Rezko (a) gave money to Obama (b), some of this money came from Auchi (c). Rezko gave money to Khalidi (d) who worked with Cairs (e) ABCDE = the perception that sordid money (ac) went to (bd and possibly d) and that (abd and possibly ce) knew each other, their activities and ideologies.

Now it is true that AAAN represents in part America's biggest Palestian community. We see an Obama willing to navigate the conventional butt-kissing BUT this does not promote his stump approach to Jews and Israel. His comments certainly don't speak to contrasting views of his advisors. Where did he find them, the South Side? The Left has railed viciously against Israel and the "Jewish" lobby. Farrakhan and Wright talk about this. So if the Rezko trial requires a full vetting of the money trail and Auchi, Khalidi and others enter the picture, this can only increase the circle of associates that go against the image he is now trying to paint for being President..

Anyway, your answer I guess is no.

Brian,

There isn't any "credible" to it. Read the TWO statements. Analyze what each man is supposed to have said. If those reports are accurate, they are NOT disagreeing with each other.

Today on the Farrakhan story
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/04/wright-obama-helped-organize-march-with.html

Max this is growing (grown) tedious. But as a Jew and a lefty I'd like to address this issue you're so hung up on. There are many of yids who feel Obama has a better chance of making gains in the arab-isreali issue because his statements on the issue are not the usual pandering we've been hearing for decades. And that Obama has a far better chance of being seen as an honest broker, very much in same light as Jimmy Carter was and who actually achieved something in terms of mid-east peace. And yet despite his overwhelming in the sunset of his time in the White House Bill Clinton made no progress, why should I assume his wife will do any better?

Part Two

What Jamie was talking about interms of RezkObama

Obama's letter of support for Rezko helped the people
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA-vlOf3mAc&NR=1

And how this worked out for the people
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&NR=1

Maxtrue

My answer was that as yet, I don't see a PROVABLE offense that would interfere with his election or at this time is criminal or nefarious. It seems to me that what you have now are semi related or unrelated organizations and individuals who may or may not have advocated some policy that may or may not be related to organizations or people in the Middle East who may or may not have evil intentions towards the United States and somehow Senator Obama may or may not have known about all of these people and organizations and be party to these nefarious actions or evil intentions.

This is just the sort of thing the Right Wing uses to build their emails showing the Clintons have this string of dead bodies in their wake from Yale to the White House.

correction, that should read "his overwhelming efforts in the sunset..."

Brian doesn't find any real Democrat creditable. CERTAINLY not Bill Clinton. He only find Lieberman and his most famous protoge worthy of his worship.

Patsi you're an ass.

"Buried 13 years deep inside the archives at Biography.com, the biography of Farrakhan includes this statement:

In 1995, along with other prominent black leaders such as Al Sharpton and Barack Obama, Farrakhan helped lead the Million Man March on Washington. A second march, called the Millions More Movement, took place in 2005."

http://bobmccarty.com/2008/04/02/obama-organized-farrakhans-million-man-march/

Gordo I bet the thought of a million black men marching has you messing your pants.

"Gordo I bet the thought of a million black men marching has you messing your pants."

ROFLMAO

"That Obama helped to organize the million man march with Farrakhan didn't result in indictments did it? "

If you remember at the time, the news coverage for this event was pretty positive as reflecting a movement within the black community for men to be more responsible for their families. That one of the sponsors was Farakhan was just something for commentary. Wright as with many of the black churches were very supportive of this concept. The last time I checked Americans still had freedom of association as well as the right to petition their government.

You don't have to agree with someone to support their freedoms under the Constitution.

"Patsi you're an ass. "

And you are a Lieberman butt-boy.

The Repub attack/smear machine would have a lot of fun with all this new info:

"Barack Hussein Obama not only marched in but helped ORGANIZE the so-called "Million Man March" presided over and led by racist loon Louis Farrakhan in 1995. (Actually, it was the 100,000 Man March if you use real, non-Ebonics math.) At the march, Farrakhan and a whole cornucopia of racist lunatics engaged in a torrent of anti-Semitic, anti-White, and anti-American speeches. The event was put on by the Nation of Islam, but Obama's "not a Muslim," so end of story, right?"

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/

The Wiki description of the March is pretty accurate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Million_Man_March

Enough fussin and fumin

Back to my real life.

debbie schlussel is the rightwing noise machine
http://ucsense.blogspot.com/2007/04/debbie-schlussel-bigot-coward-idiot.html

Since when does the "truth" matter in a political campaign. Think the Repubs would not use this stuff? They are not interested in being fair and understanding - it's about the total destruction of their enemy. There is so much to use against Obama.

Gordo -- the Million Man March was a righteous cause. So STFU about it.

Gordo on Friday I have to go see my client on W. 146th St. (the heart of Harlem) would you care to join me?

"Gordo I bet the thought of a million black men marching has you messing your pants."
ROFLMAO"

ROFLMAO is right. It's Brian who's messing his pants.

I wish people would stop quoting stuff like World Net Daily and all the other wacko right-wing sites. It doesn't lend any credibility to one's position. We need to remember those people are our opposition.

I don't like seeing that nonsense from Obama or Clinton's peeps.

Patsi I'm on the winning side, I have no need to mess in my pants.

Patsi-------------------------

Talk to the Repub attack/smear machine - I'm sure it has become very gentle, will be happy to give up power.

Gordo claiming you're smearing racist garbage for prophylactic purposes does not save you from being a racist yourself. And if the fear of racism is an excuse not to support a candidate you still end up with the same racist outcome. And you know Gordo even a dog knows the difference between being tripped over and kicked.

G-man use your head, some of these things you bring up aren't truthful..i.e. Obama's not a Muslim.and if it's mean spirited then it can backfire. Some will dislike me for siding with Brian joking about you. I find some humor but others will be sympathetic towards you. So these groups walk a fined line in helping or hurting their cause. It's politics not war, and destruction of your enemy is a figurative not literal statement.

" And if the fear of racism is an excuse not to support a candidate you still end up with the same racist outcome."

Nor is the fear and demonization of tough women. And that is what has fueled this entire campaign. No one will ever convince me otherwise.

"G-man use your head"

Tall order there rez.

being a tough woman doesn't exempt her from being a demon and the type of campaign she has run is the proof of the pudding.

Deep down you know I'm correct about what Repubs would do to Obama in the GE. That is why the responses are so angry - you can't deal with the reality of the situation.

Being a man who associates with hate driven people doesn't exempt him from being a demon and the type of campaign he has run is the proof of the pudding.

Goes both ways, friend.

No Gordo, deep down I know you're a scum bag, who will come up with any excuse to rationalize your disgusting views.

And Patsti isn't it the Clinton campaign that is running around demonizing people, sending out their hit man Ickes to whisper the name Wright in SD's ears, and having that good ole boy James call Richardson Judas.

G-man there are a number of right wing Hillary/Clinton hate sites. Have been for years.. You don't think they're ready for a Clinton nomination.

julie-young73 it takes guts for you to call anyone hate driven, I applaud your moxy.

G-Man,
Dick Morris is on right now spouting his hate Hillary/Clinton crap. He has a major platform ready to go if she gets the nom.

GAKaren

I have to agree with you. Just listening to the right wing smear merchants that made the Clinton's lives such a living hell makes you feel creepy.

I don't want Sen. Obama to be President but it has absolutely nothing to do with the shade of his skin, any conspiracy plots, religon or lack of it.
It is enough that I simply believe he isn't ready to do the job.

Sure the attack machine would go after the Clintons, the difference is that Obama is largely an unknown to most people. He has yet to be defined - the 527s are prepared to do that in a big way. I'm not just spinning when I say there is so much to use against Obama, it will be difficult to choose.

Brian,

Your "Clintonistas" have been defending your candidate all day long. Would it kill you to scrape up some semblance of decency for an hour or so?

But Gordo he has plenty of dough to paint his picture for everyone. iI's not a one sided game McCain got his problems too.

I don't think I'm the one being indecent Jamie.

"being a tough woman doesn't exempt her from being a demon and the type of campaign she has run is the proof of the pudding. "

That's what you said about my candidate. Decent?

Honest. You find Penn and Wolfson worthy of praise? Does your chest heave with pride knowing that 30 million dollars raised from the donations of hard working Americans now lines Mark Penn's pocket? She was ripped off, he's done an amazingly poor job.

The Repubs will play the race card in a BIG way - they don't need the Black vote. Obama is the worst thing that could happen to the country.

Jamie,

Max's crap can be alluring if you don't understand the people he is talking about.
You know about the Woods fund of Chicago from the web site.
a well respected foundation in Chicago, one would expect someone with Obamas reputation and interests to be on the board of several such organizations.

AAAN is a local CDC nonprofit, strictly serving the local comunity.
http://www.aaan.org/index.html
They have a number of funding sources. One of them is the City of Chicago that funds the salaries and other exspences mfor one of their programs. Another funder is Woods Fund who provided a grant for 1/3 the costs of a community organizing, IIRC around $30,000,
Obama would never have been in on the decision to offer the grant most likely

here is AAAN's connect to A local chapter of Cairs from AAAN's web sit

"Also, the AAAN is collaborating with the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)-Chicago and the Midwest Immigrant and Human Rights Center (MIHRC) to launch a legal, political, and media campaign challenging the national and religious profiling experienced by thousands of Arab and Muslim permanent residents experiencing massive delays in their applications for naturalization and citizenship."

http://chicago.cair.com

From what I can see there is nothing to Max's connections except a black helicopter style conspiracy that only exist in some nutcases head.

Jack

More on Max's spew

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/mar/14/obamas-pro-israel-anti-israel-issue/

Jack

You're right jack, it's stupid supposition to think if Rezko wanted to get money to K then why go through a third party. Max is trying to make a money laundering case against the WF. It's crap.
There is no QPQ in anything Max has brougt up. Rezko lied about getting money and that's it.

Today is a birthday...
I wonder for whom?
I know it's for someone
Who's right in this room...
(well, on this blog)

And you know who you are!!!

Happy Birthday!!!

Oh god.

And to suggest that BO, born in 1961, should be made to answer for anything the Wood Foundation did during the V N war is just plain nuts.

Rez you're trying to be rational with crazy people.

Brian

What Max is plagerizing from the World Net Daily.
Is typical 'Big lie" propaganda. It starts with a little bit of truth and builds the big lie on top of that. Notice when attacked Max always goes back to the little bit of truth, because he can't defend the big lie. So he makes you admit to the little bit of truth then claims it is all true.
Not crazy there is deliberate method here.

Jack

Smear campaigns have an effect - ask President Gore and President Kerry.

Well...at least I didn't tell everyone how OLD you are...yet....

now that you've plunged the knife in my chest you want to twist it too?