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I thought that they were both remarkably nonresonsive given that in all likelyhood the SCOTUS is going to rule 5 to 4 that the Washington DC guns laws are unconstituational. This is going to lead to immediate challenges by the NRA to two other cities HIGHLY restrictive guns laws...Chicago and New York City. That would have been my question if I was George or Charlie....where will they stand on those two cities being overturned?
~Gidget
"Why doesn't somebody bring up White Water and Hillary's not so stellar Health Care Program when she was in the White House"
I suppose because they have been digging up that dead horse and beating it to death one more time for years. Did you have a specific unanswered question or just getting in another blow?
Jamie
Good pic....although I think HRC looks more like Mary Martin as Annie....
I think she should immediately change her theme music to "Anything You Can Do, I Can Do Better"
~Gidget
That was Obama shooting himself in the foot. Obama’s smirking put down of Hillary by attempting to use Annie Oakley as his tool, is just a glaring reminder that misogyny runs deep in this system and that it is acceptable. He often smirks in a condescending way and uses a “personal put down” when he really can’t intelligently respond to Hillary. This kind of a response reminds thinking women that he is one of the guys and he is a guy’s guy. Not all women believe that he thinks in a positive way about women’s rights or that he even “gets it”. Hillary may be a better shot than he and the male press can envision.
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Great post! You've articulated my feelings in a way that I could not have.
Off topic--Does anyone here care to comment on Joe Scarborough walking off David Gregory's show last night? I hope this doesn't get him fired. He's one of the very few on TV that dares to point out BHO's weaknesses.
Let's not talk about guns. Let's talk about something IMPORTANT, like flag pins. I think everyone should be required by law to wear one, even at the beach. (Ouch).
Bowmanc.. my friends and I did go to Parker's Maple barn..... best maple syrup in the universe, IMNSHO.....
I'll bow out of the gun fight..... I mean discussion...... think I've already seen it about a gazillion times on Clist in the last 3 years..... although it hasn't come up recently....
beautiful day up here..... think I'll go out and finally start cleaning up the gardens....
now for my political statement of the day.....
Clinton..... yes
Obama.....yes
McCain....no
If Hillary had been packing a gun when she was under sniper attack in Bosnia, she could have returned fire.
-The NRA (now advocating the right to bear arms, even in situations that never occurred.)
Jamie- http://insidecablenews.wordpress.com/
Third item down.
Here's the link I've found for the Scarborough dust up..
interesting it was with Rachel Maddow.
I've been taking a break from all things political too...a week in the Napa Valley...I didn't want to undo all the spa treatments and the good wine glows. : )
~Gidget
Bear, after reading your comment from last night (linked below) which was posted well after Stinky's and my bedtime, you and I agree on many levels. (But, accept black or white tie) I' wouldn't be caught dead in a bow tie.)
Not to dwell on the scatological, I liked your comment about the feces.
Back when I first joined the Army people would sometimes say, when a conversation turned particularly ugly, "Man, did he sxxx in his mess kit."
Of course, the feces tended to spray on anyone within earshot. Happens a lot around here. And it takes a long time to get rid of the stink.
Craig, and most Crawfordslisters, love Imus, for his always eloquent contribution to political discourse...
From HuffingtonPost.com..
During the April 17 edition of Imus in the Morning, host Don Imus asserted that Sen. Barack Obama is "almost a bigger pussy than" Sen. Hillary Clinton.
Imus said:
"I thought Senator Obama was on the defensive most of the night. But they're both sissy boys or sissy girls, or whatever. Because they talk big when they're out on the campaign trail, wolfing on each other." News anchor Charles McCord interjected, "But then," and Imus continued: "And then when they show up at the debate, they fold up like a couple of cheap lawn chairs. I mean, I don't understand that. And he's almost a bigger pussy that she is."
Obamaniacs will love their favorite candidates latest round of new politics...enjoy this video of O' giving Hillary the finger yesterday...nice job O' - Is that "new politics" or "chicago style politics"?
There is no doubt in my mind he flipped her off. That move is totally part of the vernacular. I know this because I do it to my husband daily as we sit next to each other, working on these computers about 12 hours a day and he makes me cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. The only thing that would have been MORE obvious would be if he had done it while pushing his sunglasses up on his nose.
He followed that up with the hip hop Jay Z "brush off". Add that to the music intro he used about "99 problems but a b**** aint one of them" ... This guy has a very mean, snarky, thin skinned side that has no business in the WH
I think that a people should really value their vote, and never vote for someone because it is their only choice.
I voted, and if my candidate doesn't get the nomination, I don't just automatically think, "oh well, I'll just vote for the guy I didn't want in the first place."
Ah, the Hillary people are happy today. They loved watching Stephanopoulos (Bill's blowjob spinner) lob swiftboat questions at Obama.
But Hillary is still LOSING, and can't win unless she cons the super-Ds into stealing the nomination for her. Unfortunately, they are more afraid of the voters than they are of the Clinton machine.
Mr. Federici, who was born in Flemington, N.J., met Mr. Springsteen in the 1960s. By 1969, Mr. Federici — often introduced in concert by Mr. Springsteen as “Phantom Dan” — was playing with Mr. Springsteen in a band called Child. Over the years, Mr. Federici joined his friend in the acclaimed Jersey Shore bands Steel Mill, Dr. Zoom and the Sonic Boom and the Bruce Springsteen Band.
Mr. Federici later became a stalwart in the E Street Band.
“Danny and I worked together for 40 years,” Mr. Springsteen said on Thursday. “He was the most wonderfully fluid keyboard player and a pure, natural musician. I loved him very much. We grew up together.”
Mr. Federici played accordion on the wistful “4th of July, Asbury Park (Sandy)” from Mr. Springsteen’s second album, and his organ solo was a highlight of Mr. Springsteen’s first top 10 hit, “Hungry Heart.” His organ coda on the 9/11-inspired Springsteen song “You’re Missing” provided one of the more heart-wrenching moments on the album “The Rising” in 2002.
Mr. Federici released a pair of solo albums that veered from the E Street sound and into soft jazz.
Besides his work with Mr. Springsteen, Mr. Federici played on albums by artists including bandmate Steven Van Zandt as well as Joan Armatrading and Graham Parker.
Barack Obama makes a one-fingered gesture while speaking of Hillary Clinton
"This is one of those political moments that really needs few words.
He's talking critically about his opponent, Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York, and the kind of distasteful gotcha politics that occur in Washington. And he says, "That's all right. Sen. Clinton looked in her element.
Watch the video right then. The presidential candidate raises his right hand to seemingly scratch his cheek.
He doesn't use his whole hand though. Just one finger. Briefly. A couple of strokes.
He pauses. He smiles slyly as the crowd begins to mumble and then he tries, somewhat distracted, to continue his remarks, smiling as the buzz spreads through the crowd.
He'll no doubt deny it later, but that mischievous smile seems to confirm plenty. And the crowd sure sees something."
Well, once again, I'll be scarce here today - have to catch up after too much computer training (note to self, don't replace all the systems at once - chaos is inevitable). Plus, have to take Lil Pogo to the state AAU basketball tourney - his team starts play tonight.
I read over the posts from yesterday and last night - looks like more of the same. This is tiresome, and FWIW this place has largely become polarized, no real discussion of even the issues posted by Craig occurs, the discussion is driven by those who are blindly shooting from the hip at the other camp and spendng their time and wasting the time of the others here by backing up their opinions with nothing more than their opinions. Snark has become the language of choice. People who back up their opinions with links to articles with facts that support their opinions are ridiculed, and frankly, it's boring and too tiresome to spend much time with. And I have bought into this. In other words, this has become just another blog.
The low level of discourse (not to mention discord) has driven some very fine people away, some of whom have been reading and posting at Craigs sites since the beginning of Crawfordslist. And while there are some very fine people who have persisted, and will continue to do so I hope, I expect others will leave, or limit their time here. I expect some continue to read Craig's fine posts - he is after all one of the few nonaligned honest brokers in the punditocracy - and may even read some of the comments. But life's just too short to read utter bullshit a good part of the day, and there's just too much of it here.
I hope the level of discussion here rises - there's hope it can, and occasionally it does. Lately it hasn't. If it weren't for old friends, and some new ones, and you know who you are, I wouldn't stick around at all.
Well no matter how much I want Hillary to win, I am definitely sticking with the DEMS in the Autumn elections. The NUTELLA JAR isn't running, so if it's Obama (which it probably is) he'll have my vote. Who knows, maybe he will develop a bit of humility and less arrogance and I might even start to like him.
subhead: Evidence linking him to the ex-leaders of the Weather Underground is thin. But a YouTube video is making noise.
a gift from story to Jamie and Wendy! and others:
"Adolph Reed Jr., a political scientist at the University of Pennsylvania, knows both Ayers and Obama from his days in Chicago. He plans to vote for Clinton in Pennsylvania's primary Tuesday. But he called the Ayers-Obama link a "bogus story."
I saw Bloomberg with Arnie on Charlies Rose. They were talking about how Governors were joining together to deal with problems - such as global warming - because Washington has failed to address them.
Washington has failed not because there are not good leaders and good ideas on the Hill - but because they are too consumed with partisan nonsense to get anything done.
All joking aside, all this talk of guns has got to be making all of the candidates nervous, given our history of political assassinations, actual or attempted: JFK, RFK, Wallace, Ford, Reagan.
There are so many nuts out there and it is SO easy to get a gun.
ET: I agree with you. The last 7 years have taught us that a man without humility, accountability or the ability to admit mistakes is a lousy way to lead a country. I believe that if Obama could just turn up the humilimeter a titch, it would go a long way to getting the support of the demographics he lacks. Of course, the Obama supporters will tell you that we will all fall in line after the nomination process is complete: No problemo—we'll Hope for the best.
Like Bill Clinton said - everyone needs to "quit whining."
(Start trying to act a little more like Republicans - and focus on winning this election instead of your personal feelings. If not - you will be feeling that this country is continuing down the wrong path for another 4 years....).
Warren, Sturge, You have to understand that many people believe Mr Obama is such a flawed candidate that they would prefer voting for nobody or for Mr McCain,
Deriding the people who feel that way will do absolutely nothing for Mr Obama's cause.
Right-Wing media and 527s would make the Obama-Ayers story BIG. More Dems should listen to the R-W media - they are very good at what they do - attack & destroy. Many of you have no idea what Obama would face in the GE.
I really think that everyone here can handle themselves on this blog however they may choose. Craig has been very clear on free speech.
Also, I do not think this blog needs a daily reminder of how good it used to be. That is fairly insulting, even if you don't mean it that way. If you have problem with another person then go ahead and say something here or in private.
Personally, I really think this blog is great! Most all the people are really kind and Craig comments are always insightful and often funny. Some of us are new here - and we prefer not to bitch 24/7.
GORDO: Rightwing media did not manage to get any of their preferred GOP candidates to the finish line. One by one they fell to McCain, whom most GOP hot-talkers despise.
This country has suffered mightily under GWBush-Cheney for 8 years.
RW media and 527s will do what they always do, but their shrieking will fall on saddened but wiser ears.
And Obama's fundraising and organizational finesse have sizzled.
Am sad to hear some C Listers saying it's their candidate or no vote.
All of us will be welcome to change our minds (or not) closer to November.
My mother is a republican, I wouldn't call her slimy.
lol
My vote is my voice in an election. I not about to give that up because of name calling and fear tactics. If anything that makes me more resolved in my decision.
Twenty years ago, liberal Demorcatic Congressman Barnie Frank warned Democrats to stop pushing gun control, that it would give the GOP a huge advantage.
Even today, as the two Dem wannbes repeatedly stumble over this issue, the GOP still owns it.
the blog is great.......blogger and bloggees are a cut above.....
the blog though, is either on a slippery slope to perpetual discord and rampant hollering and insults or maybe it's being re-birthed in this current fire to rise again......but these last couple of months have definitely been ashes.....
once again......there is no derision here though I hold republicans in low esteem........if you dont vote democrat in 08, you may as well be a republican.....I hope that's not name calling but the chips must fall where the crookie cumbles........unless the shoe is on the other hand......
Right-Wing media and 527s would have ONE target - Obama. During the primaries, they were divided among several Repubs and none came under really heavy attack. The Obama supporters are engaged in wishfull thinking about the Repub onslaught, Clinton supporters tend to be more realistic. Hillary has done battle with them and won. The Primary and GE battles are not the same.
Flipping Hillary the bird, you people really crack me up, talk about a sand box mentality. Come on people, I know passions are running high but get a grip!
Even though the GOP "owns" the gun issue, it's funny how few of their candidates actually hunt or even possess the most basic knowledge of guns.
The most recent example was Romney claiming to shoot "varmints." (This was supposed to explain the fact that he has never had a hunting license, something that can actually be fact-checked.)
Gun ownership and hunting are primarily activities of the shrinking rural population of the USA and most candidates, regardless of party, are city-suburb dwellers. They play golf, they don't hunt ducks.
People in cities and suburbs DO own guns, but not for hunting. They use them to shoot each other.
I actually own a few guns. But I keep them in case civilization collapses and we revert to a subsistence economy. (You can hunt deer with a .22, right?)
Here's the funny thing about the gun crowd, most of them fall on the right side of the political fence, and many are heard to say that abortion should be left to the states, now ask them if they think gun control should be left to the states.
The facts point in a different direction and suggest that Obama is PURPOSEFULLY lying about his relationships with this man. Barack Obama was a director of the ‘Woods Fund’ board from 1999 to 2002, according to the Fund’s own website. According to tax filings, Obama received compensation of $6,000 per year for his service in 1999 and 2000. This not-for-profit outfit, which Obama lead during those years, actually funded (with more than $40,000) the founding of the Arab American Action Network, a creation itself of Rashid Khalidi, who is an ex-spokesman for the PLO, and who is now professor of Middle Eastern Studies at Columbia University. Khalidi himself, by the way, was the one responsible for the invitation of President Ahmedinejad (of Iran) to speak at Columbia University a few years back (and in which he was given a large forum to besmirch Israel and to dedicate many hours to his theories regarding the “Jewish role” in the domination of the world). The Woods’ funding of this individual clearly goes beyond an innocent charity, since Khalidi has openly and in countless times expressed support for Palestinian terror, calling suicide bombings a natural response to “Israeli aggression.” He also dedicated his 1986 book, “Under Siege,” to “those who gave their lives … in defense of the cause of Palestine and independence of Lebanon.” Is it really possible to claim that they didn’t know about Khalidi’s views? What is the connection between Khalidi and Obama?
Obama first met Khalidi when they were both lecturers in the University of Chicago in 1993 (Obama was in the University’s law school) and said relationship lasted for more than 12 years of shared interests (many professors attest to this, but under anonymity). In the year 2000, Khalidi held a very successful fundraiser for Obama’s failed bid for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives. When Khalidi was asked, in the John Batchelor Show of New York’s WABC Radio and Los Angeles’ KFI Radio about his fundraising activities on behalf of Barack Obama, he answered that Obama “is the only candidate who has expressed sympathy for the Palestinian cause.” Khalidi also said, that he likes the fact that Obama is “saying he supports talks with Iran. If the U.S. can talk with the Soviet Union during the Cold War, there is no reason it can’t talk with the Iranians.”
Do associations matter in politics? It is a basic rule of networking that they do. And their political views always come into account when we a politician makes these “acquaintances”, since these will define the method and process in which you acquire said power (in his case is radical liberalism and “lefty” politics). Obviously, this can be easily understood when we observe how one individual supports one candidate over another (by funding their organizations, etc.). We must also understand that William C. Ayers, who was made famous yesterday because of ABC’s push of the story into the mainstream, has OPENLY stated that the best method of effecting “real change” in the United States is by “killing all the rich White people”. Bill Ayers OWN connection to Arab terrorism and the PLO are well established, in addition to his association to Khalidi himself, and cannot be “swept under the rug” as obscure philosophies which Obama “has never heard about”. (If Obama is this incompetent in choosing his friends out of “innocent ignorance” about their character, then he is obviously NOT FIT to be President of the United States!)
As a curious side-note, if you go to William Ayers’ main website (CLICK HERE), you will notice a very prominent name in the middle of the page: ABU-ZAYD. For those of you who are not familiar with Islamic culture, the name means “FATHER OF ZAYD” and it is Ayers OTHER name. As you may have noticed above, Ayers has two children which he raised as Muslims (Malik and Zayd), a fact that he openly exalts by applying to himself an honorary Muslim name.
Nonetheless, as Obama stated in ABC’s debate, if we simply suspend our reason and knowledge of how politics ACTUALLY works, then we must assume that being associated to Rev. Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers is not sufficiently substantive to ascribe to him the same and exact philosophical views of the world that they have. But, even if this was absolutely true (for the sake of argument), these unwholesome friendships and partnerships, at the very least, open the possibility of interpreting Obama’s own political policies through the same lens that his friends and their views have established for him (thus their friendship and support of Obama).
Why does the MSM let him get away with these ads in PA and Indiana saying he doesn't take money from "Washington lobbyists" as if he doesn't have them bundling for him like crazy. Like all politicians, he doesn't care about one $2,300 check. The people who will get access if he gets in the White House are those who bundle hundreds of thousands of dollars. What a hypocrit.
Thanks to the 26th amendentment, I've managed to squeeze 9 presidential elections into my voting history.
In those 9 elections, I've had 3 of my votes actually be for the winning candidate...2 of those were for Bill Clinton and I am still thankful that he was President for 8 years.
It's the other "win" that I regret and I see a lot of similiarities between then and now.
Carter was the new face, not a Washington insider, again at a time when most voters were overwhelmingly disgusted with the last eight years of GOP rule. Then, as now, the concern of a lot of leading Democrats was that Carter did not have the neccessary experience to be POTUS.
I did not support Carter in the primaries...(I was for Mo Udall)...I grew to distrust Carter through the campaign and the debates. But, when he became the Democratic nominee, I voted for him because I was a "Democrat"and had never voted for anyone on the GOP ticket.
To this day, I'm convinced the country would have been better off with 4 years of Gerald Ford....it may have even saved us from 8 years of Reagan.
Good article by Paul Krugman today in NYTimes about harm Obama does when he denigrates the Clinton years. The pro-Obama media continue to discuss extent to which Clinton is harming the eventual Dem nominee by staying in the race (which she's losing by a whopping 1% of the popular vote). On the other hand, have heard no discussion of problems of Obama lumping the Clinton and Bush administrations together and belittling the accomplishments of the one Dem administration that led the country well in the past 40 years: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/18/opinion/18krugman.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
excerpt:
...And one more thing: let’s hope that once Mr. Obama is no longer running against someone named Clinton, he’ll stop denigrating the very good economic record of the only Democratic administration most Americans remember.
Well it might not have been important in Chicago, but it sure feeds the narrative about 1. Obama did not tell the truth when he said his relationship with Ayers is flimsy and 2. He hangs with a crowd a bit removed from the centrist narrative the would like to paint.
His appearance on Colbert was quite arrogant and I found Edwards far more worthy of my vote than Obama. Last night Jon was much more to the point. Although he made light of the questions about Ayers and Wright we stand in opposition to Obama's fictionalized image, Jon showed what Obama's stuttering responses were to questions about the economy and Israel. They left Stewart speechless. If Obama is the smartest and most intellectual candidate running, we are in deep shit.
Oh, and Colbert? A prisoner to his writers and his ego. I do watch because sometimes he is quite funny, but he, like most of the MSM are simply Obama cheerleaders and his butt kissing last night revealed him to be just a satire of his own truthiness. His only impact is to the degree he plays it down the middle. His mocking all week has been as a supporter of Obama and unlike Stewart didn't dare make fun of Obama. He didn't even poke fun at the gramatical butchery of his vet guest last night. Clobert is an expert butt kisser indeed....
I would think you were right about the finger except for the smirk and brush off and "you know what I mean" as the audience laughed. He knew Exactly what he was doing and was smart enough to do it in such a way as to communicate to the audience while sliding it by for being shown on TV. He has now used two Jay Z songs to directly apply to Sen. Clinton and aged, creaky whit producers who don't have a clue have let it slide until pointed out to them.
Well said TZ, which is why I cannot vote for Obama. His message is built on a fiction rendering his vision suspect. If people cannot see the links between anti-Zionist, anti-American sentiments expressed in those Obama called friends and supporters, then they are in denial. The time is coming to simply vote and give up trying to convince people of things their faith will not allow them to consider.
Whether some believe Obama gave Hillary the finger or not, he did metaphorically long ago. And it is no surprise his mentors, supporters and friends have given many Americans the finger. I suggest we use ours in Novemeber.
You guys will have to fill in the rest, but I'm not buying the idea that Barack was sending that "across the table message" that Ally sends her husband. My reason: No eye contact. That and the fact that the index finger was hanging out there enough to cloud the message.
"We Obama people are down with the street. We've got a .32 gun in our pocket for fun, and a razor in our shoe"
Bring that piece, You'll need it over here on the southside. You be the kind that pees his pants if a brother walks up and asks for a light. But your type does dig fast for change, so we get a 40 oz.
Leroy Brown
What is this bullshit kkk in the Captcha key. This site is racist, I tell you Racist. You'll never see me here again.
Sorry I have to disagree with you. I watched the video.
He knows exactly what he is doing.. The smile and saying you have to stick it . All the online msm have it on as well as both chicago papers, agree he did it, some more scathingly than others.
Do you mean the well linked article from the Free Canadian Press? Or do you think Counterterrorism.org is a wacko site. American Thinker is a wacko site.
What is wacko to you is any well documented article that explores the real associations and ideologies of the web Obama put himself into. You much prefer the fiction to fact.
How Obama’s church and associates link him to the ISM
By Lee Kaplan Tuesday, April 1, 2008
Some media pundits have tried suggesting that Barack Obama’s recent speech about his association with Reverend Jeremiah Wright and the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago is comparable to the Gettysburg Address in calling for national “unity.”
But if one parses some key statements by Obama in that speech, one can see how Obama poses more of a threat of creating disunity in America and how he will probably use racism as a vehicle do so.
Some liberal Jewish groups have begun an email campaign trying to persuade American Jews concerned by Jeremiah Wright’s comparison of the black American experience with that of the Palestinians in the Middle East as not being compatible with Barack Obama’s views. Led by Democratic Florida Congressman Larry Wexler (D) Florida, Obama’s Jewish supporters have claimed that after meeting with members of AIPAC, the Israel Lobby, Obama stated that the Palestinians must renounce the right of return, the Catch 22 used by the PLO and its front group, the International Solidarity Movement, that prevents any other solution to the Middle East conflict other than the dismantling of Israel as a Jewish state. In addition, the email claims, Obama stated that the missiles fired on Sderot are unacceptable and that Israel should have a right to defend itself. But that same email also contains the tired (and untrue) old leftist platitudes that so many Israelis would not have been murdered by Arab terrorists since Oslo were it not for the Likud Party in Israel that has refused to give away unconditionally Israel’s security in exchange for empty promises from the terrorist warlords in Fatah and Hamas. Both terrorist groups agree in Arabic the only acceptable real end game is the dismantling of the Jewish state, something that is always glossed over by lefties when someone euphemistically talks about “peace.” “Peace” to the Arabs is newspeak for Israel becoming Palestine.
Obama’s statements, were, for the untrained ears of pampered Jewish leftists in the Democratic Party what might be classified as being “so far so good.”
However, without losing a beat, an article has appeared on the ISM affiliated website Electronic Intifada (EI) by one of its co-founders, Ali Abunimah, in which Abumimah recounts his close past working relationship with Obama prior to the presidential campaign and how Abunimah believes Obama is merely giving lip service to the Jewish community to get elected, and that once in office he will work for the Palestinian cause. Abunimah lists himself and is mentioned in subsequent Obama articles in the mainstream press merely as a “Palestinian activist.” Abunimah insists that Obama will “come around” once elected.
But Ali Abunimah is more than just some “Palestinian activist” based in Chicago, the same location as Reverend Wright and the Trinity United Church of Christ. He is, in fact, one of the founders of the fiercely anti-Semitic ISM Arab group Al Awda, the Palestine Right of Return Coalition. Abunimah is a high level international leader of the ISM for the Arabs who travels extensively between Chicago, Europe and Ramallah.
Al Awda in Arabic means “The Return,” and the group not only calls for the complete destruction of Israel, even denying Israel’s current existence on its website and urging boycotts against not only Israelis, but American Jews and their businesses, but also calls for specifically supporting Arab terrorists in Iraq who kill US soldiers. Among its more than 130 chapters across the US and Canada, Al Awda’s New Jersey chapter is led by a young woman named Charlotte Kates who has called Israeli children killed by suicide bombers “fair game.” The ISM’s Al Awda openly supports terrorism as “legitimate resistance” in ISM revolutionary lingo.
Al Awda’s anti-Semitism has also linked to neo-Nazi groups in promoting the boycott and divestment from Israel on American campuses and in the US business community. It became so virulent that the group was booted by the UC Riverside campus administration from holding an international conference on that campus last year. Ali Abunimah, even today, is featured on the Al Awda website supporting terrorism against Israelis because he considers that “nonviolence is overrated.”
In short, Obama saw no problem being lobbied in the past by someone who openly promotes terrorism and discrimination against Jewish-Americans.
Al Awda is commemorating the 60th anniversary of the Nakba (catastrophe of the creation of Israel) this coming May thanks to the willingness of the management of Hilton Hotels to overlook anti-Semitism in its facilities to make a buck. A new petition is in the works to get Hilton to stop this. Al Awda’s scheduled guest of honor will be a PFLP terrorist member named Khalida Jarrar, and their website recently gave an homage to the late PFLP founder George Habash. Al Awda wants convicted Islamic Jihad financier/terrorist Sami al Arian released, a murderer of over 100 people abroad, some of them Americans, from terrorist attacks.
If Barack Obama didn’t know about Abunimah’s writings (and Abunimah says he did), the same as his claims of being unaware of Reverend Wright’s remarks after 20 years, then Obama is not competent to be our President. Abunimah likes to lie and claim Al Awda has nothing to do with the ISM or Electronic Intifada, though plenty of evidence exists on the website the homepage at www.StoptheISM.com showing the contrary.
But Obama’s association with the ISM through his church and lobbying in Chicago goes even deeper than just his past links to Al Awda and Ali Abunimah. His pastor, Jeremiah Wright, and the Trinity Union Church of Christ in Chicago, are both equally involved with the ISM.
Since 2001, the ISM has been tasked by the PLO and other Arab irredentist groups with getting new generations of American college kids to consider democratic Israel as somehow a violator of human rights, all the while as the Palestinian Arabs who practice open anti-Semitism, honor killings, and the murders of their own people as well as Jews, as commendable practices. At their 2003 national organizing conference at Ohio State, ISM activists set out to deconstruct American narratives about Israel as a democratic state with firm support from secular radical Americans of Jewish ancestry. In one workshop set up to discuss ways to put a good face on suicide bombings, ISM activists spoke of new ways of reinterpreting the Bible so Israel did not belong to the Jews, but to the Palestinians.
In working with the Saudi funded Muslim Students Association in campuses across the US, the ISM has managed to cloud the image among American youth through disinformation and propaganda campaigns against Jews and Israel in order to try and make American students believe Israel is an apartheid state like South Africa was in the 1980s. At the same time, these same Palestinian groups like Al Awda insist the West Bank and Gaza must be Jew-free. Since this campaign has been largely successful in organizing anti-Israel attitudes on campuses all over America, and since Jewish organizations in America have been slow to react, the ISM moved on to another program to do the same thing only this time alienating US churches, particularly evangelical churches that have a long-term sense of Biblical support for the Jewish state. Thus was born the Sabeel Ecumenical Liberation Theological Society created as part of the ISM to do in US churches what various ISM groups succeeded to do in American colleges.
At the same time, a foothold already existed to a small degree in the American black religious community such as is led by Louis Farrakhan.
The mainstream ISM leadership is made up of Palestinian Christian Arabs who are also communists/anarchists and pan-Arab nationalists first, that hold to the philosophy of the Popular Front for The Liberation of Palestine, the second largest faction of the PLO. Using communist revolutionary practices of “solidarity,” it has been these Palestinian Arab Christian “revolutionaries,” aligned with Jewish- American communists and anarchists, that have been working so well on the campuses in the US and the UK.
Now, it has become the ISM’s time to deconstruct religious dogma of Israel belonging to the Jews as is preached in US churches and to increase the number of black churches in America that are working in “solidarity” with this program. Jeremiah Wright’s church is one of them. Even though the national synod of the United Church for Christ rescinded a boycott and divestment plan against Israel, a wing of the UCC church keeps trying to get it reinstated. That wing includes Reverend Wright’s Trinity UCC Church in Chicago. Few people know also, that there are many Muslim members of Reverend Wright’s “Christian” church, a close ally of Sabeel.
Led by a Palestinian Christian pastor named Naim Ateek, Sabeel’s purpose is as part of the ISM to especially convince churches in America that the diminishing Christian population in the West Bank, particularly Bethlehem, is not due to persecution by the Muslim majority in the Palestinian Authority against Christians caused Christian flight, but because of Israel’s Jews and “the occupation.” In order to achieve this, Sabeel practices something called “replacement theology “ which aligns itself closely with the ideas of its Muslim fundamentalist allies.
Replacement theology advanced by the ISM and Sabeel holds that Jesus was not a Jew, but a Palestinian. It also holds that the fulfillment of scripture is not Jews returning to the land of Israel, but Palestinian Arabs taking control of Israel from Jewish oppressors to become Palestine. In replacement theology, Abraham’s son, Isaac, was not to be sacrificed before God, but it was rather Ishmael, the father of the Arab people. This is also the Muslim interpretation of the Torah in the Koran. Yasser Arafat always claimed that Jesus was a Palestinian, not a Jew. Arafat, though a secular Muslim, also saw the value of his allies in the PFLP in recruiting pan-Arab revolutionaries and Arab communists to achieve his goals.
Why should a Christian Arab pastor like Naim Ateek teach such things? He does so because his religious teachings are based more on politics than anything else, and it gives him a power base and funding as a religious leader he could only dream of among the Christian Arab minority population.
Sabeel has been actively working in cooperation with Chicago’s Trinity UCC among certain other politically active churches in America to promote anti-Israel and even anti-Semitic beliefs that can erode American Christian support for Israel and hasten Israel’s destruction. And Pastor Jeremiah Wright, pandering to his majority black congregation, has been teaching his own replacement theology, only this time its called “black replacement theology.” Jesus was not a Jew, says Wright, but a “black man.” Trinity UCC’s relationship with the anti-Semitic Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam (funded by anti-Israel Libya) fits in nicely with this formula also. The Christian religious icon is no longer a Jew, but a black man and to accept this interpretation is the way to salvation for the black man. This not only deconstructs
American church views of the legitimacy of Israel, but has a nice foothold with the likes of the Nation of Islam in the US black community.
In his speech, Obama actually tried to give some credibility to Wright’s speech claiming it portrays the real experience for black Americans without saying what specific parts of Wright’s diatribes he was referring to. By accusing the US of bombing innocent people of color at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, of America infecting black American with AIDS, or of “chickens coming home to roost” for 9/11 (ignoring that plenty of black Americans died in those attacks), were more than just blanket “issues” that Obama called them and said he does not agree with “totally.”
But does this all really link back to Obama? Can’t he still get by, saying that his pastor Wright and church of 20 years, and Ali Abunimah also do not bespeak his personal opinions?
To the contrary, in his speech about Wright, Obama said he does believe such things when he said he cannot disavow them from Reverend Wright or disassociate himself from the demagogical pastor any more than from the black community. He just did it in veiled language. He just spoke about his close family-like relationship with Wright and then suggested Wright speaks to the black experience in America.
Here is the most important parsed line from Obama’s speech (and it’s no Gettysburg Address):
“The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor.”
So the man who “introduced” Barack Obama to his “Christian faith” also teaches that Jesus was not a Jew, and that the white Jews exploited the “black Palestinians” in the Bible, and who espouses ISM and Sabeel religious terminology among his fellow Christians, particularly blacks, even against the wishes of his own synod.
Jeremiah Wright certainly knows his market.
That is the Christianity of Jeremiah Wright and based on Obama’s speech, the same Christianity that Wright introduced Obama to, and one the presidential candidate still believes and won’t disavow no matter what it costs him.
True, Obama mentioned how Wright taught him to be kind unto others. But according to Wright’s interpretation, that “kindness” has more to do with fighting “white oppression” than urging nonviolence and brotherly love among all races. Wright’s church even praised Hamas in the past, and has always touted it as an Islamic charity organization showing such social kindness despite its charter calling for unyielding murder and expulsion of Jews in the Middle East.
The ISM’s training manual says that international ISM volunteers in the West Bank should not tell people they are human shields for terrorist groups but “peace activists” because it deceives people from their real purpose of attacking Israel any way they can to the benefit of their Palestinian handlers. So, too, does Barack Obama talk about loving one another as taught to him by a pastor who then accuses America of murdering innocent people of color at Hiroshima and Nagasaki over 50 years ago. The American servicemen whose lives were spared back then by ending the war quickly were also black men, Latinos and others who were fighting Japanese racists who murdered Chinese, Filipinos and other “inferior” people on a regular basis, who ran experimental death camps for American and British prisoners-of-war, and who were allied with a Nazi Germany that was allied with the same Arab nationalist leadership that is still trying to destroy the Jews today.
“I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community,” said Obama. So then it is clear that Obama believes that Wright’s ideas represent the black community and black experience in America when they represent only the radicalized fringe of black America that wants to aid America’s enemies abroad. It is doubtful many black Americans who served proudly in the US military feel the same as Wright on this issue.
What is more, militant Islamists see a potential to sow internal problems and promote their fascist goals in the US by trying to divide the American black community against the US government. Whereas blacks have been exploited in the past, this is now seen as a way to achieve the goals of expanding the Muslim ummah inside the US from in the Middle East. That is why Libya gives money to Farrakhan and why the ISM and Sabeel work with Reverend Wright whose personal interpretations of Christianity are entrenched in Obama’s mind as the True Word of Christianity. Wright actually visited Mohammar Ghaddafi in Libya with Farrakhan in the past.
I attended an AIPAC (Israel lobby) conference two years ago where another black candidate for congress, Barbara Lee (D) Oakland, was in attendance as the representative for Oakland/Berkeley. Ms. Lee sat very respectfully as she was fawned over by a crowd of Jewish Israel supporters and acted as if she was really concerned about Israel. Ms. Lee even smiled at me personally as she left. Meanwhile, she was the only member of Congress who voted against going after Bin Laden after 9/11 in Afghanistan and also supports groups like Hamas, Hizballah and Al Awda in their anti-Semitic goals. Congressman Wexler needs to understand that what Obama says to a meeting of Jews will not translate into what he does once he is in office. In that regard, Ali Abunimah of Al Awda is probably right about Obama going to work for the Palestinians once in office Obama’s staffers certainly suggest the same.
The question is if we want a man in the White House who will regularly give his ear to the likes of a Reverend Wright, his and Sabeel’s replacement theologies, and pro-terrorist propagandists like Ali Abunimah on a regular basis? In one sense, Obama could be considered the ISM’s Manchurian candidate given his wide connections to ISM activists and campaign movements such as the Wheels of Justice Tour, Joseph Carr a.k.a. Joseph Smith, Hannah Mermelstein, Anna Baltzer and others.
Posted 04/1 at 08:59 AM by Canadian Free Press
Links were provided in the original article which one cannot cut and past. Much of this has been substantiated by reputable blogs some including counterterrorism blogs.
Sorry Sturg, I just wanted people to see what some call wacko. As Counterterrorism.org has been saying for years, Hamas and others are very clever how they work, lobby and move the money. There is also deep connections between various radicals and their intellectual apologists. Unfortunately this web goes beyond "just working the South Side" and why Ayers, Wright, Khadili and others share much of the same agenda. For the "smartest and most intellectual running" not to know this, is quite a contradiction. Even Obama's claim to have come up with "Yes We Can" is a lie. I have a finger that'sgot an itch too....
Obama and Ayers moved in some of the same political and social circles in the leafy liberal enclave of Hyde Park, where they lived several blocks apart. In the mid-1990s, when Obama was running for the Illinois Senate, Ayers introduced Obama during a political event at his home, according to Obama's aides. Ayers, a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, later contributed $200 to Obama's state campaign.
"Obama and Ayers met a dozen times as members of the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, a local grant-making foundation, according to the group's president. They appeared together to discuss juvenile justice on a 1997 panel sponsored by the University of Chicago, records show. They appeared again in 2002 at an academic panel co-sponsored by the Chicago Public Library."
Laura S. Washington, chairwoman of the Woods Fund, called it "ridiculous to suggest there's anything inappropriate" about Ayers and Obama serving on the nine-member board of directors. The Woods Fund issued $3.4 million in grants to local arts, housing and civic groups last year from an endowment of about $70 million, she said.
"Obama joined the board in 1993 and stepped down in 2002, three years after Ayers was appointed, she said. The board met four times a year to discuss policy and new grant proposals, she said."
there much more background in this article that refutes the BS of tz and Maxtrue on the subject.
If you watch the entire clip you will see that early in the speech he touches his face with his pinkie. But when it comes to this segment it appears purposeful, and timed. If it was an accident - it just shows how dumb he can be, to do something that could be twisted on video and stills into something vulgar.
re: Clinton supporter not giving vote to Obama
A vote for BHO is also a vote rewarding the media and their bias tactics. It's says - sure MSNBC and others -it's fine to bash one candidate and give the other a pass.
Pogo.... I hear you loud and clear..... and agree.....
uburrito.... I love seeing all the newbies around here.... without them.... I think things can get stale.... unfortunately.... it hasn't helped much lately..... I see the same arguments going around and around whether it's oldies or newbies.... as someone who loves to learn.... that kind of thing bores the crap out of me.... too much to learn and not enough time.... I think that was what Pogo was driving at.... not trying to insult you or anyone else new around here.....
and for the record..... I will vote for whomever the Democratic nominee eventually is.... but I think all Americans have the right to vote their conscience..... I know many who say they vote the person and not the party..... as an independent.... I say "good for them!".....
Warren: "Like Bill Clinton said - everyone needs to "quit whining."
Did you send Bill's quote off to Obomie in a little letter today too...sounds like most of the whining is coming from poor wittle Obomie cwying because he dwid bwadly in da debate cwuz those mweanies gwave him hward qwuestions.
Poor wittle Obomie.
And then he tops it off by flippin' Hillary the bird
That is why I'm really giving him a pass on the finger. He actually has beautiful hands with very long fingers and it could be a totally unconcious gesture. The shoulder brush off wasn't unconcious. Look at the video, see the way he did it, look at the audience laughing and then add in the verbal "you know what I mean'. THAT was totally intentional.
Please post links. You consume way too much loading time for many people. That is why the messages are short and conversational. If people want to read after you give them a clue, they will click on the link. Anything else is discourteous.
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* You must be either a Clinton or Obama supporter.
* You can be as nasty as you want,
* as long as you complain about how nasty the other side is.
* Remember, McCain WILL WIN if your candidate does
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* This will be followed by the collapse of Western Civilization.
*But a few determined monks in Ireland will keep the light of knowledge burning.
My problem with voting for Sen. Obama is a simple one. In my lifetime, I've cast a vote for one president that I really really wanted and that was Bill Clinton.
After a whole lot of "lesser of two evils", I simply will not do it again. It will be a straight Dem ticket except for the Presidency and it will either be a vote for Hillary Clinton or a write in vote for Hillary Clinton.
Just to borrow a slogan: She is the one I've been waiting for and I will vote for her.
Jack, I didn't know all those commentaries were written by wackos....work calls and sorry for the typos, I was eating lunch...By the way, go to the orginal article and just click on supporting links.
Nash, I've had my share of guns. Liked my Colt Python the best. The M1911 was pretty nice. My Beretta .32 was a POS. Right now I'll depend on my fighting knife.
If I wanted someone to cover my six, it sure wouldn't be Mr Obama.
If civil society vanishes from the face of the Earth, the old soldier up the street has an arsenal that we'll share.
Oh, of the three, I'd want Mrs Clinton covering my back.
So Jack, in the CBS video...what was the lady right over his right shoulder so tickled about and what exactly did she have to clue her friend in about?
I don't blame him...it fits in with his arrogant personality to throw someone the bird.
"The shoulder brush off wasn't unconcious. Look at the video, see the way he did it, look at the audience laughing and then add in the verbal "you know what I mean'. THAT was totally intentional"
True,
even including cleaning something off of his shoe
But that is just standard playful politics, clowning for the faithful. No big deal IMO
Though making big deals out of nothing seems to be standard fare, for this campaign season.
Jack - I don't know what having a "dirty mind" has to do with it. I live in LA and drive on LAs freeways...I think I know what a middle finger looks like.
I just wanted you all to know that I am disgusted by all the negative politics in this campaign.
-Lee Atwater (Still burning in hell, but, in 100,000 years, they're going to give me an ice cube.)
"Last night’s ABC debate was the first official “beating” that Barack Obama has ever received from a MAINSTREAM news-network. It’s moderators finally asked tough questions to both candidates and forced them to be as honest as possible about their answers. The reason I label it a “beating” is because, most of Obama’s supporters have never had to experience their candidate facing tough questions about issues related to his OBVIOUS unelectability in November.
As a curious side-note, if you go to William Ayers’ main website, you will notice a very prominent name in the middle of the page: ABU-ZAYD. For those of you who are not familiar with Islamic culture, the name means “FATHER OF ZAYD” and it is Ayers OTHER name. As you may have noticed above, Ayers has two children which he raised as Muslims (Malik and Zayd), a fact that he openly exalts by applying to himself an honorary Muslim name."
As the Castillian saying goes; “tell me with whom you are with, and I will tell you who you are”.
McCain releases his tax returns -- but Cindy McCain doesn't release her tax returns. McCain's campaign says he's doing the same thing that Kerry did. OMG the irony!
Brian: After the Hillary people cause the collapse of Western Civilization, why don't you and I move to Ireland and become monks? (I believe you get to drink as much wine as you want, and the peasants do all the work.)
You think that his antics are just playful. You and Brian
both, ...........playful?
Sorry, that was serious, arrogant, disrespectful and childish behavior.
(((((( Absolutely, positively NOT presidential material.!!!!!! )))))))))))
He may have thought it was cute, but I do not think many other people will, except his immature adoring Kool aid drinking supporters.
Just take in those on this space who have said they will not vote for him even if he is the democ nominee, just think what that will be multiplied by thousands and you get what ... A Loser.... He just confirmed al
Comments
Craig
I thought that they were both remarkably nonresonsive given that in all likelyhood the SCOTUS is going to rule 5 to 4 that the Washington DC guns laws are unconstituational. This is going to lead to immediate challenges by the NRA to two other cities HIGHLY restrictive guns laws...Chicago and New York City. That would have been my question if I was George or Charlie....where will they stand on those two cities being overturned?
~Gidget
Posted by: Gidget
| April 18, 2008 6:27 AM
5.4 earthquake in illinois this morning....? Guess Michelle is waking up angry again.
Posted by: econsmed
| April 18, 2008 6:34 AM
Sen. Clinton even looks a bit like Annie
http://www.discoveroakley.com/ApplicationData/6/Pix/Fick%20Museum/Annie%20Oakley.jpg
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 6:45 AM
Javaholic
"Why doesn't somebody bring up White Water and Hillary's not so stellar Health Care Program when she was in the White House"
I suppose because they have been digging up that dead horse and beating it to death one more time for years. Did you have a specific unanswered question or just getting in another blow?
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 6:51 AM
Jamie
Good pic....although I think HRC looks more like Mary Martin as Annie....
I think she should immediately change her theme music to "Anything You Can Do, I Can Do Better"
~Gidget
Posted by: Gidget
| April 18, 2008 6:56 AM
That was Obama shooting himself in the foot. Obama’s smirking put down of Hillary by attempting to use Annie Oakley as his tool, is just a glaring reminder that misogyny runs deep in this system and that it is acceptable. He often smirks in a condescending way and uses a “personal put down” when he really can’t intelligently respond to Hillary. This kind of a response reminds thinking women that he is one of the guys and he is a guy’s guy. Not all women believe that he thinks in a positive way about women’s rights or that he even “gets it”. Hillary may be a better shot than he and the male press can envision.
Posted by: AmazonTraveler
| April 18, 2008 7:02 AM
To Amazon-
Great post! You've articulated my feelings in a way that I could not have.
Off topic--Does anyone here care to comment on Joe Scarborough walking off David Gregory's show last night? I hope this doesn't get him fired. He's one of the very few on TV that dares to point out BHO's weaknesses.
Posted by: ubns
| April 18, 2008 7:10 AM
Cant watch that pin head, so I'm not really concerned about his job security........
good to see the Bolo Pundit re-surface........lol
Posted by: sturgeone | April 18, 2008 7:33 AM
Let's not talk about guns. Let's talk about something IMPORTANT, like flag pins. I think everyone should be required by law to wear one, even at the beach. (Ouch).
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 7:44 AM
good morning gang.....
Craig..... nice tie!
Bowmanc.. my friends and I did go to Parker's Maple barn..... best maple syrup in the universe, IMNSHO.....
I'll bow out of the gun fight..... I mean discussion...... think I've already seen it about a gazillion times on Clist in the last 3 years..... although it hasn't come up recently....
beautiful day up here..... think I'll go out and finally start cleaning up the gardens....
now for my political statement of the day.....
Clinton..... yes
Obama.....yes
McCain....no
Posted by: RebelliousRenee
| April 18, 2008 7:51 AM
Gidget
A few days ago when it all came up, I posted that song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stF2mXucm_w
Of course if the numbers don't get better fast, she might be thinking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrdhjkfD2ww
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 7:52 AM
my vote in Reb Ren's poll:
Hillary.....yes
Barack....yes
McCain.....Hell No.
Posted by: sturgeone | April 18, 2008 7:58 AM
If Hillary had been packing a gun when she was under sniper attack in Bosnia, she could have returned fire.
-The NRA (now advocating the right to bear arms, even in situations that never occurred.)
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 8:05 AM
Didn't watch Gregory. I've been off MSNBC except for Joe (when I can stand Mika) since they sold their soul to Obama. What happened?
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 8:06 AM
Happy Friday!
Barack Hussien Obama has mastered the art of snide remarks.
Every time I think I can possibly vote for him, he opens his mouth, and reminds me why I can't.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 8:14 AM
Jamie-
http://insidecablenews.wordpress.com/
Third item down.
Here's the link I've found for the Scarborough dust up..
interesting it was with Rachel Maddow.
I've been taking a break from all things political too...a week in the Napa Valley...I didn't want to undo all the spa treatments and the good wine glows. : )
~Gidget
Posted by: Gidget
| April 18, 2008 8:16 AM
Jamie, Gregory was magnificent!
Posted by: Flatus
| April 18, 2008 8:17 AM
Bear, after reading your comment from last night (linked below) which was posted well after Stinky's and my bedtime, you and I agree on many levels. (But, accept black or white tie) I' wouldn't be caught dead in a bow tie.)
Not to dwell on the scatological, I liked your comment about the feces.
Back when I first joined the Army people would sometimes say, when a conversation turned particularly ugly, "Man, did he sxxx in his mess kit."
Of course, the feces tended to spray on anyone within earshot. Happens a lot around here. And it takes a long time to get rid of the stink.
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/04/obama-pressured-to-debate-agai.html#comment-69425
Posted by: Flatus
| April 18, 2008 8:34 AM
Craig, and most Crawfordslisters, love Imus, for his always eloquent contribution to political discourse...
From HuffingtonPost.com..
During the April 17 edition of Imus in the Morning, host Don Imus asserted that Sen. Barack Obama is "almost a bigger pussy than" Sen. Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 8:38 AM
The Bolo Pundit reappears. Best footage yet of the CBob scorpion bolo tie.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 18, 2008 8:46 AM
Imus said:
"I thought Senator Obama was on the defensive most of the night. But they're both sissy boys or sissy girls, or whatever. Because they talk big when they're out on the campaign trail, wolfing on each other." News anchor Charles McCord interjected, "But then," and Imus continued: "And then when they show up at the debate, they fold up like a couple of cheap lawn chairs. I mean, I don't understand that. And he's almost a bigger pussy that she is."
( I think it's "woofing" not "wolfing" )
Posted by: sturgeone | April 18, 2008 8:50 AM
Obamaniacs will love their favorite candidates latest round of new politics...enjoy this video of O' giving Hillary the finger yesterday...nice job O' - Is that "new politics" or "chicago style politics"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DygBj4Zw6No
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 18, 2008 8:58 AM
and in case it moves to fast on video for some...here is a nice screen capture at slightly different angle showing it in all it's glory.
Enjoy Obamaniacs
http://s110.photobucket.com/albums/n84/SusanUnPC/?action=view¤t=obamaflip2.jpg
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 18, 2008 9:00 AM
There is no doubt in my mind he flipped her off. That move is totally part of the vernacular. I know this because I do it to my husband daily as we sit next to each other, working on these computers about 12 hours a day and he makes me cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. The only thing that would have been MORE obvious would be if he had done it while pushing his sunglasses up on his nose.
Posted by: Ally
| April 18, 2008 9:07 AM
"( I think it's "woofing" not "wolfing" )"
Depends on whether the dog was dining or barking. :-)
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 9:07 AM
www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/04/17/politics/fromtheroad/entry4025048.shtml
@39 seconds Obama intentionally makes a hand gesture to his face and the crowd roars.
Wow, Obama must be really pissed at his poor debate reviews.
He knows he's on camera right????
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 9:08 AM
Very true Ally,
That's a nice way to put I was going to use another word, but I didn't want to offend.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 9:10 AM
He followed that up with the hip hop Jay Z "brush off". Add that to the music intro he used about "99 problems but a b**** aint one of them" ... This guy has a very mean, snarky, thin skinned side that has no business in the WH
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 9:11 AM
Jamie,
I totally agree with you. I can not give him my vote, because I just can't be a part of putting him in the Presidency.
Can't do it and won't do it.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 9:16 AM
burrito:
this household too...we decided for many reasons to go another way if he's the nominee...we are no longer wavering on the issue.
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 18, 2008 9:20 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/04/17/politics/fromtheroad/entry4025048.shtml
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 9:21 AM
Burritto,
Helpful hint. When you put in a link, put in at least one or two returns under it. Otherwise, it gets lost under the slider bar.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 9:25 AM
Jamie: I know about the "99 problems" but what is the "brush off" thing?
Posted by: Ally
| April 18, 2008 9:26 AM
I think that a people should really value their vote, and never vote for someone because it is their only choice.
I voted, and if my candidate doesn't get the nomination, I don't just automatically think, "oh well, I'll just vote for the guy I didn't want in the first place."
That makes little sense to me.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 9:27 AM
Ah, the Hillary people are happy today. They loved watching Stephanopoulos (Bill's blowjob spinner) lob swiftboat questions at Obama.
But Hillary is still LOSING, and can't win unless she cons the super-Ds into stealing the nomination for her. Unfortunately, they are more afraid of the voters than they are of the Clinton machine.
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 9:27 AM
More news from Springsteen-land, this time sad:
Danny Federici, Bruce Springsteen's longtime keyboardist/original member of E Street Band, has died of cancer at 58.
LATimes obit:
http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-mew-federici18apr18,0,2569964.story
More info from NYTimes AP obit:
Mr. Federici, who was born in Flemington, N.J., met Mr. Springsteen in the 1960s. By 1969, Mr. Federici — often introduced in concert by Mr. Springsteen as “Phantom Dan” — was playing with Mr. Springsteen in a band called Child. Over the years, Mr. Federici joined his friend in the acclaimed Jersey Shore bands Steel Mill, Dr. Zoom and the Sonic Boom and the Bruce Springsteen Band.
Mr. Federici later became a stalwart in the E Street Band.
“Danny and I worked together for 40 years,” Mr. Springsteen said on Thursday. “He was the most wonderfully fluid keyboard player and a pure, natural musician. I loved him very much. We grew up together.”
Mr. Federici played accordion on the wistful “4th of July, Asbury Park (Sandy)” from Mr. Springsteen’s second album, and his organ solo was a highlight of Mr. Springsteen’s first top 10 hit, “Hungry Heart.” His organ coda on the 9/11-inspired Springsteen song “You’re Missing” provided one of the more heart-wrenching moments on the album “The Rising” in 2002.
Mr. Federici released a pair of solo albums that veered from the E Street sound and into soft jazz.
Besides his work with Mr. Springsteen, Mr. Federici played on albums by artists including bandmate Steven Van Zandt as well as Joan Armatrading and Graham Parker.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 18, 2008 9:29 AM
Has anyone noticed that Hillary is beginning to sound more and more like Ann Coulter?
Once this is all over, maybe they could co-host a show on Fox.
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 9:30 AM
Hillary rocks!
Even if she doesn't win this primary, she still is the better candidate and politician.
As I have said before, she has political capital and she intends nurture it and keep it. Like it or not- Hillary's political clout is increasing.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 9:35 AM
Barack Obama makes a one-fingered gesture while speaking of Hillary Clinton
"This is one of those political moments that really needs few words.
He's talking critically about his opponent, Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York, and the kind of distasteful gotcha politics that occur in Washington. And he says, "That's all right. Sen. Clinton looked in her element.
Watch the video right then. The presidential candidate raises his right hand to seemingly scratch his cheek.
He doesn't use his whole hand though. Just one finger. Briefly. A couple of strokes.
He pauses. He smiles slyly as the crowd begins to mumble and then he tries, somewhat distracted, to continue his remarks, smiling as the buzz spreads through the crowd.
He'll no doubt deny it later, but that mischievous smile seems to confirm plenty. And the crowd sure sees something."
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/04/obamaflipsoffcl.html
Posted by: GORDO | April 18, 2008 9:37 AM
mornin, all.
Well, once again, I'll be scarce here today - have to catch up after too much computer training (note to self, don't replace all the systems at once - chaos is inevitable). Plus, have to take Lil Pogo to the state AAU basketball tourney - his team starts play tonight.
I read over the posts from yesterday and last night - looks like more of the same. This is tiresome, and FWIW this place has largely become polarized, no real discussion of even the issues posted by Craig occurs, the discussion is driven by those who are blindly shooting from the hip at the other camp and spendng their time and wasting the time of the others here by backing up their opinions with nothing more than their opinions. Snark has become the language of choice. People who back up their opinions with links to articles with facts that support their opinions are ridiculed, and frankly, it's boring and too tiresome to spend much time with. And I have bought into this. In other words, this has become just another blog.
The low level of discourse (not to mention discord) has driven some very fine people away, some of whom have been reading and posting at Craigs sites since the beginning of Crawfordslist. And while there are some very fine people who have persisted, and will continue to do so I hope, I expect others will leave, or limit their time here. I expect some continue to read Craig's fine posts - he is after all one of the few nonaligned honest brokers in the punditocracy - and may even read some of the comments. But life's just too short to read utter bullshit a good part of the day, and there's just too much of it here.
I hope the level of discussion here rises - there's hope it can, and occasionally it does. Lately it hasn't. If it weren't for old friends, and some new ones, and you know who you are, I wouldn't stick around at all.
Enough pontificating. I've got work to do.
Posted by: pogo
| April 18, 2008 9:37 AM
Well no matter how much I want Hillary to win, I am definitely sticking with the DEMS in the Autumn elections. The NUTELLA JAR isn't running, so if it's Obama (which it probably is) he'll have my vote. Who knows, maybe he will develop a bit of humility and less arrogance and I might even start to like him.
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 18, 2008 9:39 AM
The crowd reacted to the line. Same way they did when he used the same line at another stump speech when he did not scratch his face.
Posted by: warren
| April 18, 2008 9:40 AM
LATimes story: Obama and the former radicals
subhead: Evidence linking him to the ex-leaders of the Weather Underground is thin. But a YouTube video is making noise.
a gift from story to Jamie and Wendy! and others:
"Adolph Reed Jr., a political scientist at the University of Pennsylvania, knows both Ayers and Obama from his days in Chicago. He plans to vote for Clinton in Pennsylvania's primary Tuesday. But he called the Ayers-Obama link a "bogus story."
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 18, 2008 9:41 AM
I saw Bloomberg with Arnie on Charlies Rose. They were talking about how Governors were joining together to deal with problems - such as global warming - because Washington has failed to address them.
Washington has failed not because there are not good leaders and good ideas on the Hill - but because they are too consumed with partisan nonsense to get anything done.
Posted by: warren
| April 18, 2008 9:43 AM
All joking aside, all this talk of guns has got to be making all of the candidates nervous, given our history of political assassinations, actual or attempted: JFK, RFK, Wallace, Ford, Reagan.
There are so many nuts out there and it is SO easy to get a gun.
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 9:43 AM
ET: I agree with you. The last 7 years have taught us that a man without humility, accountability or the ability to admit mistakes is a lousy way to lead a country. I believe that if Obama could just turn up the humilimeter a titch, it would go a long way to getting the support of the demographics he lacks. Of course, the Obama supporters will tell you that we will all fall in line after the nomination process is complete: No problemo—we'll Hope for the best.
Posted by: Ally
| April 18, 2008 9:45 AM
Forgot to post the LATimes link re Obama-Ayers story:
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-radicals18apr18,0,131233.story
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 18, 2008 9:46 AM
I for one will not vote BO in the fall, if he is the eventual nominee.
I will not vote John either. I will not vote at all.
Under normal circumstances I would vote BO, but this whole primary was a big laugh, and has been below the belt.... He is not worth my vote. Sorry
So either HRC pulls this one to her or I do not vote in the fall...
Posted by: Jason | April 18, 2008 9:47 AM
Like Bill Clinton said - everyone needs to "quit whining."
(Start trying to act a little more like Republicans - and focus on winning this election instead of your personal feelings. If not - you will be feeling that this country is continuing down the wrong path for another 4 years....).
Posted by: warren
| April 18, 2008 9:57 AM
If you dont vote democrat in 08, you may as well be a republican.
Posted by: sturgeone | April 18, 2008 9:57 AM
Warren, Sturge, You have to understand that many people believe Mr Obama is such a flawed candidate that they would prefer voting for nobody or for Mr McCain,
Deriding the people who feel that way will do absolutely nothing for Mr Obama's cause.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 18, 2008 10:05 AM
dog hussein dog------------------------
Right-Wing media and 527s would make the Obama-Ayers story BIG. More Dems should listen to the R-W media - they are very good at what they do - attack & destroy. Many of you have no idea what Obama would face in the GE.
Posted by: GORDO | April 18, 2008 10:06 AM
I wasnt deriding.....I was pointing out a fact.
Posted by: sturgeone | April 18, 2008 10:06 AM
were I deriding I would have said something like......"you might as well be a slimy republican."
Posted by: sturgeone | April 18, 2008 10:08 AM
I really think that everyone here can handle themselves on this blog however they may choose. Craig has been very clear on free speech.
Also, I do not think this blog needs a daily reminder of how good it used to be. That is fairly insulting, even if you don't mean it that way. If you have problem with another person then go ahead and say something here or in private.
Personally, I really think this blog is great! Most all the people are really kind and Craig comments are always insightful and often funny. Some of us are new here - and we prefer not to bitch 24/7.
peace ~ happy friday ~ off with the dogs
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 10:08 AM
GORDO: Rightwing media did not manage to get any of their preferred GOP candidates to the finish line. One by one they fell to McCain, whom most GOP hot-talkers despise.
This country has suffered mightily under GWBush-Cheney for 8 years.
RW media and 527s will do what they always do, but their shrieking will fall on saddened but wiser ears.
And Obama's fundraising and organizational finesse have sizzled.
Am sad to hear some C Listers saying it's their candidate or no vote.
All of us will be welcome to change our minds (or not) closer to November.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 18, 2008 10:12 AM
My mother is a republican, I wouldn't call her slimy.
lol
My vote is my voice in an election. I not about to give that up because of name calling and fear tactics. If anything that makes me more resolved in my decision.
: )
see ya!
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 10:15 AM
Twenty years ago, liberal Demorcatic Congressman Barnie Frank warned Democrats to stop pushing gun control, that it would give the GOP a huge advantage.
Even today, as the two Dem wannbes repeatedly stumble over this issue, the GOP still owns it.
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 10:16 AM
the blog is great.......blogger and bloggees are a cut above.....
the blog though, is either on a slippery slope to perpetual discord and rampant hollering and insults or maybe it's being re-birthed in this current fire to rise again......but these last couple of months have definitely been ashes.....
Posted by: sturgeone | April 18, 2008 10:18 AM
once again......there is no derision here though I hold republicans in low esteem........if you dont vote democrat in 08, you may as well be a republican.....I hope that's not name calling but the chips must fall where the crookie cumbles........unless the shoe is on the other hand......
Posted by: sturgeone | April 18, 2008 10:22 AM
dog hussein dog---------------------
Right-Wing media and 527s would have ONE target - Obama. During the primaries, they were divided among several Repubs and none came under really heavy attack. The Obama supporters are engaged in wishfull thinking about the Repub onslaught, Clinton supporters tend to be more realistic. Hillary has done battle with them and won. The Primary and GE battles are not the same.
Posted by: GORDO | April 18, 2008 10:31 AM
Flipping Hillary the bird, you people really crack me up, talk about a sand box mentality. Come on people, I know passions are running high but get a grip!
Posted by: Bitter Brian Hussein In NYC
| April 18, 2008 10:33 AM
Even though the GOP "owns" the gun issue, it's funny how few of their candidates actually hunt or even possess the most basic knowledge of guns.
The most recent example was Romney claiming to shoot "varmints." (This was supposed to explain the fact that he has never had a hunting license, something that can actually be fact-checked.)
Gun ownership and hunting are primarily activities of the shrinking rural population of the USA and most candidates, regardless of party, are city-suburb dwellers. They play golf, they don't hunt ducks.
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 10:37 AM
People in cities and suburbs DO own guns, but not for hunting. They use them to shoot each other.
I actually own a few guns. But I keep them in case civilization collapses and we revert to a subsistence economy. (You can hunt deer with a .22, right?)
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 10:41 AM
Here's the funny thing about the gun crowd, most of them fall on the right side of the political fence, and many are heard to say that abortion should be left to the states, now ask them if they think gun control should be left to the states.
Posted by: Bitter Brian Hussein In NYC
| April 18, 2008 10:45 AM
WHY DID HAMAS ENDORSE OBAMA
The facts point in a different direction and suggest that Obama is PURPOSEFULLY lying about his relationships with this man. Barack Obama was a director of the ‘Woods Fund’ board from 1999 to 2002, according to the Fund’s own website. According to tax filings, Obama received compensation of $6,000 per year for his service in 1999 and 2000. This not-for-profit outfit, which Obama lead during those years, actually funded (with more than $40,000) the founding of the Arab American Action Network, a creation itself of Rashid Khalidi, who is an ex-spokesman for the PLO, and who is now professor of Middle Eastern Studies at Columbia University. Khalidi himself, by the way, was the one responsible for the invitation of President Ahmedinejad (of Iran) to speak at Columbia University a few years back (and in which he was given a large forum to besmirch Israel and to dedicate many hours to his theories regarding the “Jewish role” in the domination of the world). The Woods’ funding of this individual clearly goes beyond an innocent charity, since Khalidi has openly and in countless times expressed support for Palestinian terror, calling suicide bombings a natural response to “Israeli aggression.” He also dedicated his 1986 book, “Under Siege,” to “those who gave their lives … in defense of the cause of Palestine and independence of Lebanon.” Is it really possible to claim that they didn’t know about Khalidi’s views? What is the connection between Khalidi and Obama?
Obama first met Khalidi when they were both lecturers in the University of Chicago in 1993 (Obama was in the University’s law school) and said relationship lasted for more than 12 years of shared interests (many professors attest to this, but under anonymity). In the year 2000, Khalidi held a very successful fundraiser for Obama’s failed bid for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives. When Khalidi was asked, in the John Batchelor Show of New York’s WABC Radio and Los Angeles’ KFI Radio about his fundraising activities on behalf of Barack Obama, he answered that Obama “is the only candidate who has expressed sympathy for the Palestinian cause.” Khalidi also said, that he likes the fact that Obama is “saying he supports talks with Iran. If the U.S. can talk with the Soviet Union during the Cold War, there is no reason it can’t talk with the Iranians.”
Do associations matter in politics? It is a basic rule of networking that they do. And their political views always come into account when we a politician makes these “acquaintances”, since these will define the method and process in which you acquire said power (in his case is radical liberalism and “lefty” politics). Obviously, this can be easily understood when we observe how one individual supports one candidate over another (by funding their organizations, etc.). We must also understand that William C. Ayers, who was made famous yesterday because of ABC’s push of the story into the mainstream, has OPENLY stated that the best method of effecting “real change” in the United States is by “killing all the rich White people”. Bill Ayers OWN connection to Arab terrorism and the PLO are well established, in addition to his association to Khalidi himself, and cannot be “swept under the rug” as obscure philosophies which Obama “has never heard about”. (If Obama is this incompetent in choosing his friends out of “innocent ignorance” about their character, then he is obviously NOT FIT to be President of the United States!)
As a curious side-note, if you go to William Ayers’ main website (CLICK HERE), you will notice a very prominent name in the middle of the page: ABU-ZAYD. For those of you who are not familiar with Islamic culture, the name means “FATHER OF ZAYD” and it is Ayers OTHER name. As you may have noticed above, Ayers has two children which he raised as Muslims (Malik and Zayd), a fact that he openly exalts by applying to himself an honorary Muslim name.
Nonetheless, as Obama stated in ABC’s debate, if we simply suspend our reason and knowledge of how politics ACTUALLY works, then we must assume that being associated to Rev. Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers is not sufficiently substantive to ascribe to him the same and exact philosophical views of the world that they have. But, even if this was absolutely true (for the sake of argument), these unwholesome friendships and partnerships, at the very least, open the possibility of interpreting Obama’s own political policies through the same lens that his friends and their views have established for him (thus their friendship and support of Obama).
Posted by: tz | April 18, 2008 10:46 AM
Brian---------------
"...talk about a sand box mentality."
So you acknowledge that Obama has a "sand box mentality"?
Posted by: GORDO | April 18, 2008 10:48 AM
Hey, we are supposed to be talking about GUNS today.
We can return to the 24/7 "Hillary vs Obama deathmatch" tomorrow.
Or are you Clinton people AFRAID of guns? I'll bet that's what it is. If home invaders break down your door, what do you plan to do. Call 911?
If some guy in a pick-up takes your parking spot at the mall, and flips you the finger, what are you going to do? Write a letter to the editor?
I knew it. You're all a bunch of Merlot sipping, Brie munching, white, suburban vegtarian pacificists.
We Obama people are down with the street. We've got a .32 gun in our pocket for fun, and a razor in our shoe.
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 10:52 AM
Thanks to those who posted re the Scarborough-Maddow match last night. Maybe David Gregory will put Craig in Scarborough's chair:
http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/thread.aspx?threadid=635478&BoardsParam=HIPDelay%3d1%26PostID%3d17363682
also, you can email David Gregory at:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23580538/
Posted by: Lynn | April 18, 2008 10:52 AM
tz:
Hamas would endorse any candidate that they wanted to lose.
Posted by: warren
| April 18, 2008 10:55 AM
warren
thats a lame statement
Posted by: tz | April 18, 2008 10:56 AM
More on the Obama BS re not taking money from lobbyists:
http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2008/04/obamas-claims-o.html
Why does the MSM let him get away with these ads in PA and Indiana saying he doesn't take money from "Washington lobbyists" as if he doesn't have them bundling for him like crazy. Like all politicians, he doesn't care about one $2,300 check. The people who will get access if he gets in the White House are those who bundle hundreds of thousands of dollars. What a hypocrit.
Posted by: Lynn | April 18, 2008 11:00 AM
Thanks to the 26th amendentment, I've managed to squeeze 9 presidential elections into my voting history.
In those 9 elections, I've had 3 of my votes actually be for the winning candidate...2 of those were for Bill Clinton and I am still thankful that he was President for 8 years.
It's the other "win" that I regret and I see a lot of similiarities between then and now.
Carter was the new face, not a Washington insider, again at a time when most voters were overwhelmingly disgusted with the last eight years of GOP rule. Then, as now, the concern of a lot of leading Democrats was that Carter did not have the neccessary experience to be POTUS.
I did not support Carter in the primaries...(I was for Mo Udall)...I grew to distrust Carter through the campaign and the debates. But, when he became the Democratic nominee, I voted for him because I was a "Democrat"and had never voted for anyone on the GOP ticket.
To this day, I'm convinced the country would have been better off with 4 years of Gerald Ford....it may have even saved us from 8 years of Reagan.
Fool me once,....
~g.
Posted by: Gidget
| April 18, 2008 11:10 AM
Ally
"Dirt Off Your Shoulder" Jay Z
Warning explicit lyrics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWLHQ3S-Oq8
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 11:18 AM
tz
I see you've found the wacko site that Max cut and pastes from.
Your cut and paste job is pure BS just the big lie all over again.
Your trying to make some bullshit conspiracy theory
With connections that, upon examination, don't connect.
All of the proofs offered for these fantasies point only to one think.
Obama was well connected in the south side Chicago nonprofit community.
Well DUH!!!!
So tz lets try to deal with reality here instead of some paranoid fantasy.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 18, 2008 11:21 AM
whiskey
all in that article can be fact checked
Posted by: tz | April 18, 2008 11:28 AM
In regard to Obama giving the finger:
Come on, lets get real, look at the CBS clip that was posted.
The finger is always delivered as a punctuation gesture, this just didn't happen.
it is a fun tease but to believe it really happened?
Come on someone is drinking too much Koolaid.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 18, 2008 11:28 AM
Good article by Paul Krugman today in NYTimes about harm Obama does when he denigrates the Clinton years. The pro-Obama media continue to discuss extent to which Clinton is harming the eventual Dem nominee by staying in the race (which she's losing by a whopping 1% of the popular vote). On the other hand, have heard no discussion of problems of Obama lumping the Clinton and Bush administrations together and belittling the accomplishments of the one Dem administration that led the country well in the past 40 years:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/18/opinion/18krugman.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
excerpt:
...And one more thing: let’s hope that once Mr. Obama is no longer running against someone named Clinton, he’ll stop denigrating the very good economic record of the only Democratic administration most Americans remember.
Posted by: Lynn | April 18, 2008 11:29 AM
Nash and Brian missed their charm school appointment again.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 11:33 AM
tz
I did fact check it
Have posted links to the truth in here several times
That is why I called the BS
You obviously didn't or you would have posted some links
At least to the offending article that you borrowed.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 18, 2008 11:33 AM
Well it might not have been important in Chicago, but it sure feeds the narrative about 1. Obama did not tell the truth when he said his relationship with Ayers is flimsy and 2. He hangs with a crowd a bit removed from the centrist narrative the would like to paint.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/901879,CST-NWS-sweet18.article
His appearance on Colbert was quite arrogant and I found Edwards far more worthy of my vote than Obama. Last night Jon was much more to the point. Although he made light of the questions about Ayers and Wright we stand in opposition to Obama's fictionalized image, Jon showed what Obama's stuttering responses were to questions about the economy and Israel. They left Stewart speechless. If Obama is the smartest and most intellectual candidate running, we are in deep shit.
Oh, and Colbert? A prisoner to his writers and his ego. I do watch because sometimes he is quite funny, but he, like most of the MSM are simply Obama cheerleaders and his butt kissing last night revealed him to be just a satire of his own truthiness. His only impact is to the degree he plays it down the middle. His mocking all week has been as a supporter of Obama and unlike Stewart didn't dare make fun of Obama. He didn't even poke fun at the gramatical butchery of his vet guest last night. Clobert is an expert butt kisser indeed....
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 18, 2008 11:36 AM
Jack
I would think you were right about the finger except for the smirk and brush off and "you know what I mean" as the audience laughed. He knew Exactly what he was doing and was smart enough to do it in such a way as to communicate to the audience while sliding it by for being shown on TV. He has now used two Jay Z songs to directly apply to Sen. Clinton and aged, creaky whit producers who don't have a clue have let it slide until pointed out to them.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 11:40 AM
Well said TZ, which is why I cannot vote for Obama. His message is built on a fiction rendering his vision suspect. If people cannot see the links between anti-Zionist, anti-American sentiments expressed in those Obama called friends and supporters, then they are in denial. The time is coming to simply vote and give up trying to convince people of things their faith will not allow them to consider.
Whether some believe Obama gave Hillary the finger or not, he did metaphorically long ago. And it is no surprise his mentors, supporters and friends have given many Americans the finger. I suggest we use ours in Novemeber.
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 18, 2008 11:45 AM
There once was a Senator from Natchez,
You guys will have to fill in the rest, but I'm not buying the idea that Barack was sending that "across the table message" that Ally sends her husband. My reason: No eye contact. That and the fact that the index finger was hanging out there enough to cloud the message.
When he itches, he scratches.
Posted by: EdVB
| April 18, 2008 11:49 AM
"We Obama people are down with the street. We've got a .32 gun in our pocket for fun, and a razor in our shoe"
Bring that piece, You'll need it over here on the southside. You be the kind that pees his pants if a brother walks up and asks for a light. But your type does dig fast for change, so we get a 40 oz.
Leroy Brown
What is this bullshit kkk in the Captcha key. This site is racist, I tell you Racist. You'll never see me here again.
Posted by: totally not serious | April 18, 2008 11:49 AM
Jack,
Sorry I have to disagree with you. I watched the video.
He knows exactly what he is doing.. The smile and saying you have to stick it . All the online msm have it on as well as both chicago papers, agree he did it, some more scathingly than others.
Yes my finger will be voting against him.
Julie
Posted by: Julie-Young73 | April 18, 2008 11:53 AM
Wacko site Jack? LOL
Do you mean the well linked article from the Free Canadian Press? Or do you think Counterterrorism.org is a wacko site. American Thinker is a wacko site.
What is wacko to you is any well documented article that explores the real associations and ideologies of the web Obama put himself into. You much prefer the fiction to fact.
How Obama’s church and associates link him to the ISM
By Lee Kaplan Tuesday, April 1, 2008
Some media pundits have tried suggesting that Barack Obama’s recent speech about his association with Reverend Jeremiah Wright and the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago is comparable to the Gettysburg Address in calling for national “unity.”
But if one parses some key statements by Obama in that speech, one can see how Obama poses more of a threat of creating disunity in America and how he will probably use racism as a vehicle do so.
Some liberal Jewish groups have begun an email campaign trying to persuade American Jews concerned by Jeremiah Wright’s comparison of the black American experience with that of the Palestinians in the Middle East as not being compatible with Barack Obama’s views. Led by Democratic Florida Congressman Larry Wexler (D) Florida, Obama’s Jewish supporters have claimed that after meeting with members of AIPAC, the Israel Lobby, Obama stated that the Palestinians must renounce the right of return, the Catch 22 used by the PLO and its front group, the International Solidarity Movement, that prevents any other solution to the Middle East conflict other than the dismantling of Israel as a Jewish state. In addition, the email claims, Obama stated that the missiles fired on Sderot are unacceptable and that Israel should have a right to defend itself. But that same email also contains the tired (and untrue) old leftist platitudes that so many Israelis would not have been murdered by Arab terrorists since Oslo were it not for the Likud Party in Israel that has refused to give away unconditionally Israel’s security in exchange for empty promises from the terrorist warlords in Fatah and Hamas. Both terrorist groups agree in Arabic the only acceptable real end game is the dismantling of the Jewish state, something that is always glossed over by lefties when someone euphemistically talks about “peace.” “Peace” to the Arabs is newspeak for Israel becoming Palestine.
Obama’s statements, were, for the untrained ears of pampered Jewish leftists in the Democratic Party what might be classified as being “so far so good.”
However, without losing a beat, an article has appeared on the ISM affiliated website Electronic Intifada (EI) by one of its co-founders, Ali Abunimah, in which Abumimah recounts his close past working relationship with Obama prior to the presidential campaign and how Abunimah believes Obama is merely giving lip service to the Jewish community to get elected, and that once in office he will work for the Palestinian cause. Abunimah lists himself and is mentioned in subsequent Obama articles in the mainstream press merely as a “Palestinian activist.” Abunimah insists that Obama will “come around” once elected.
But Ali Abunimah is more than just some “Palestinian activist” based in Chicago, the same location as Reverend Wright and the Trinity United Church of Christ. He is, in fact, one of the founders of the fiercely anti-Semitic ISM Arab group Al Awda, the Palestine Right of Return Coalition. Abunimah is a high level international leader of the ISM for the Arabs who travels extensively between Chicago, Europe and Ramallah.
Al Awda in Arabic means “The Return,” and the group not only calls for the complete destruction of Israel, even denying Israel’s current existence on its website and urging boycotts against not only Israelis, but American Jews and their businesses, but also calls for specifically supporting Arab terrorists in Iraq who kill US soldiers. Among its more than 130 chapters across the US and Canada, Al Awda’s New Jersey chapter is led by a young woman named Charlotte Kates who has called Israeli children killed by suicide bombers “fair game.” The ISM’s Al Awda openly supports terrorism as “legitimate resistance” in ISM revolutionary lingo.
Al Awda’s anti-Semitism has also linked to neo-Nazi groups in promoting the boycott and divestment from Israel on American campuses and in the US business community. It became so virulent that the group was booted by the UC Riverside campus administration from holding an international conference on that campus last year. Ali Abunimah, even today, is featured on the Al Awda website supporting terrorism against Israelis because he considers that “nonviolence is overrated.”
In short, Obama saw no problem being lobbied in the past by someone who openly promotes terrorism and discrimination against Jewish-Americans.
Al Awda is commemorating the 60th anniversary of the Nakba (catastrophe of the creation of Israel) this coming May thanks to the willingness of the management of Hilton Hotels to overlook anti-Semitism in its facilities to make a buck. A new petition is in the works to get Hilton to stop this. Al Awda’s scheduled guest of honor will be a PFLP terrorist member named Khalida Jarrar, and their website recently gave an homage to the late PFLP founder George Habash. Al Awda wants convicted Islamic Jihad financier/terrorist Sami al Arian released, a murderer of over 100 people abroad, some of them Americans, from terrorist attacks.
If Barack Obama didn’t know about Abunimah’s writings (and Abunimah says he did), the same as his claims of being unaware of Reverend Wright’s remarks after 20 years, then Obama is not competent to be our President. Abunimah likes to lie and claim Al Awda has nothing to do with the ISM or Electronic Intifada, though plenty of evidence exists on the website the homepage at www.StoptheISM.com showing the contrary.
But Obama’s association with the ISM through his church and lobbying in Chicago goes even deeper than just his past links to Al Awda and Ali Abunimah. His pastor, Jeremiah Wright, and the Trinity Union Church of Christ in Chicago, are both equally involved with the ISM.
Since 2001, the ISM has been tasked by the PLO and other Arab irredentist groups with getting new generations of American college kids to consider democratic Israel as somehow a violator of human rights, all the while as the Palestinian Arabs who practice open anti-Semitism, honor killings, and the murders of their own people as well as Jews, as commendable practices. At their 2003 national organizing conference at Ohio State, ISM activists set out to deconstruct American narratives about Israel as a democratic state with firm support from secular radical Americans of Jewish ancestry. In one workshop set up to discuss ways to put a good face on suicide bombings, ISM activists spoke of new ways of reinterpreting the Bible so Israel did not belong to the Jews, but to the Palestinians.
In working with the Saudi funded Muslim Students Association in campuses across the US, the ISM has managed to cloud the image among American youth through disinformation and propaganda campaigns against Jews and Israel in order to try and make American students believe Israel is an apartheid state like South Africa was in the 1980s. At the same time, these same Palestinian groups like Al Awda insist the West Bank and Gaza must be Jew-free. Since this campaign has been largely successful in organizing anti-Israel attitudes on campuses all over America, and since Jewish organizations in America have been slow to react, the ISM moved on to another program to do the same thing only this time alienating US churches, particularly evangelical churches that have a long-term sense of Biblical support for the Jewish state. Thus was born the Sabeel Ecumenical Liberation Theological Society created as part of the ISM to do in US churches what various ISM groups succeeded to do in American colleges.
At the same time, a foothold already existed to a small degree in the American black religious community such as is led by Louis Farrakhan.
The mainstream ISM leadership is made up of Palestinian Christian Arabs who are also communists/anarchists and pan-Arab nationalists first, that hold to the philosophy of the Popular Front for The Liberation of Palestine, the second largest faction of the PLO. Using communist revolutionary practices of “solidarity,” it has been these Palestinian Arab Christian “revolutionaries,” aligned with Jewish- American communists and anarchists, that have been working so well on the campuses in the US and the UK.
Now, it has become the ISM’s time to deconstruct religious dogma of Israel belonging to the Jews as is preached in US churches and to increase the number of black churches in America that are working in “solidarity” with this program. Jeremiah Wright’s church is one of them. Even though the national synod of the United Church for Christ rescinded a boycott and divestment plan against Israel, a wing of the UCC church keeps trying to get it reinstated. That wing includes Reverend Wright’s Trinity UCC Church in Chicago. Few people know also, that there are many Muslim members of Reverend Wright’s “Christian” church, a close ally of Sabeel.
Led by a Palestinian Christian pastor named Naim Ateek, Sabeel’s purpose is as part of the ISM to especially convince churches in America that the diminishing Christian population in the West Bank, particularly Bethlehem, is not due to persecution by the Muslim majority in the Palestinian Authority against Christians caused Christian flight, but because of Israel’s Jews and “the occupation.” In order to achieve this, Sabeel practices something called “replacement theology “ which aligns itself closely with the ideas of its Muslim fundamentalist allies.
Replacement theology advanced by the ISM and Sabeel holds that Jesus was not a Jew, but a Palestinian. It also holds that the fulfillment of scripture is not Jews returning to the land of Israel, but Palestinian Arabs taking control of Israel from Jewish oppressors to become Palestine. In replacement theology, Abraham’s son, Isaac, was not to be sacrificed before God, but it was rather Ishmael, the father of the Arab people. This is also the Muslim interpretation of the Torah in the Koran. Yasser Arafat always claimed that Jesus was a Palestinian, not a Jew. Arafat, though a secular Muslim, also saw the value of his allies in the PFLP in recruiting pan-Arab revolutionaries and Arab communists to achieve his goals.
Why should a Christian Arab pastor like Naim Ateek teach such things? He does so because his religious teachings are based more on politics than anything else, and it gives him a power base and funding as a religious leader he could only dream of among the Christian Arab minority population.
Sabeel has been actively working in cooperation with Chicago’s Trinity UCC among certain other politically active churches in America to promote anti-Israel and even anti-Semitic beliefs that can erode American Christian support for Israel and hasten Israel’s destruction. And Pastor Jeremiah Wright, pandering to his majority black congregation, has been teaching his own replacement theology, only this time its called “black replacement theology.” Jesus was not a Jew, says Wright, but a “black man.” Trinity UCC’s relationship with the anti-Semitic Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam (funded by anti-Israel Libya) fits in nicely with this formula also. The Christian religious icon is no longer a Jew, but a black man and to accept this interpretation is the way to salvation for the black man. This not only deconstructs
American church views of the legitimacy of Israel, but has a nice foothold with the likes of the Nation of Islam in the US black community.
In his speech, Obama actually tried to give some credibility to Wright’s speech claiming it portrays the real experience for black Americans without saying what specific parts of Wright’s diatribes he was referring to. By accusing the US of bombing innocent people of color at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, of America infecting black American with AIDS, or of “chickens coming home to roost” for 9/11 (ignoring that plenty of black Americans died in those attacks), were more than just blanket “issues” that Obama called them and said he does not agree with “totally.”
But does this all really link back to Obama? Can’t he still get by, saying that his pastor Wright and church of 20 years, and Ali Abunimah also do not bespeak his personal opinions?
To the contrary, in his speech about Wright, Obama said he does believe such things when he said he cannot disavow them from Reverend Wright or disassociate himself from the demagogical pastor any more than from the black community. He just did it in veiled language. He just spoke about his close family-like relationship with Wright and then suggested Wright speaks to the black experience in America.
Here is the most important parsed line from Obama’s speech (and it’s no Gettysburg Address):
“The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor.”
So the man who “introduced” Barack Obama to his “Christian faith” also teaches that Jesus was not a Jew, and that the white Jews exploited the “black Palestinians” in the Bible, and who espouses ISM and Sabeel religious terminology among his fellow Christians, particularly blacks, even against the wishes of his own synod.
Jeremiah Wright certainly knows his market.
That is the Christianity of Jeremiah Wright and based on Obama’s speech, the same Christianity that Wright introduced Obama to, and one the presidential candidate still believes and won’t disavow no matter what it costs him.
True, Obama mentioned how Wright taught him to be kind unto others. But according to Wright’s interpretation, that “kindness” has more to do with fighting “white oppression” than urging nonviolence and brotherly love among all races. Wright’s church even praised Hamas in the past, and has always touted it as an Islamic charity organization showing such social kindness despite its charter calling for unyielding murder and expulsion of Jews in the Middle East.
The ISM’s training manual says that international ISM volunteers in the West Bank should not tell people they are human shields for terrorist groups but “peace activists” because it deceives people from their real purpose of attacking Israel any way they can to the benefit of their Palestinian handlers. So, too, does Barack Obama talk about loving one another as taught to him by a pastor who then accuses America of murdering innocent people of color at Hiroshima and Nagasaki over 50 years ago. The American servicemen whose lives were spared back then by ending the war quickly were also black men, Latinos and others who were fighting Japanese racists who murdered Chinese, Filipinos and other “inferior” people on a regular basis, who ran experimental death camps for American and British prisoners-of-war, and who were allied with a Nazi Germany that was allied with the same Arab nationalist leadership that is still trying to destroy the Jews today.
“I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community,” said Obama. So then it is clear that Obama believes that Wright’s ideas represent the black community and black experience in America when they represent only the radicalized fringe of black America that wants to aid America’s enemies abroad. It is doubtful many black Americans who served proudly in the US military feel the same as Wright on this issue.
What is more, militant Islamists see a potential to sow internal problems and promote their fascist goals in the US by trying to divide the American black community against the US government. Whereas blacks have been exploited in the past, this is now seen as a way to achieve the goals of expanding the Muslim ummah inside the US from in the Middle East. That is why Libya gives money to Farrakhan and why the ISM and Sabeel work with Reverend Wright whose personal interpretations of Christianity are entrenched in Obama’s mind as the True Word of Christianity. Wright actually visited Mohammar Ghaddafi in Libya with Farrakhan in the past.
I attended an AIPAC (Israel lobby) conference two years ago where another black candidate for congress, Barbara Lee (D) Oakland, was in attendance as the representative for Oakland/Berkeley. Ms. Lee sat very respectfully as she was fawned over by a crowd of Jewish Israel supporters and acted as if she was really concerned about Israel. Ms. Lee even smiled at me personally as she left. Meanwhile, she was the only member of Congress who voted against going after Bin Laden after 9/11 in Afghanistan and also supports groups like Hamas, Hizballah and Al Awda in their anti-Semitic goals. Congressman Wexler needs to understand that what Obama says to a meeting of Jews will not translate into what he does once he is in office. In that regard, Ali Abunimah of Al Awda is probably right about Obama going to work for the Palestinians once in office Obama’s staffers certainly suggest the same.
The question is if we want a man in the White House who will regularly give his ear to the likes of a Reverend Wright, his and Sabeel’s replacement theologies, and pro-terrorist propagandists like Ali Abunimah on a regular basis? In one sense, Obama could be considered the ISM’s Manchurian candidate given his wide connections to ISM activists and campaign movements such as the Wheels of Justice Tour, Joseph Carr a.k.a. Joseph Smith, Hannah Mermelstein, Anna Baltzer and others.
Posted 04/1 at 08:59 AM by Canadian Free Press
Links were provided in the original article which one cannot cut and past. Much of this has been substantiated by reputable blogs some including counterterrorism blogs.
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 18, 2008 11:55 AM
Jamie,
Did you watch the CBS clip it gives a longer version than youtube. In it there is no evidence that he is even conscience of what his hand did.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 18, 2008 11:56 AM
Oy.
Posted by: sturgeone | April 18, 2008 11:58 AM
Max......why dont you start a blog fahchrissakes instead of wearing out my scroll wheel finger?
Posted by: sturgeone | April 18, 2008 12:00 PM
Max,
That is waaaayyyyy beyond the pale in posting........
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 12:02 PM
Sorry Sturg, I just wanted people to see what some call wacko. As Counterterrorism.org has been saying for years, Hamas and others are very clever how they work, lobby and move the money. There is also deep connections between various radicals and their intellectual apologists. Unfortunately this web goes beyond "just working the South Side" and why Ayers, Wright, Khadili and others share much of the same agenda. For the "smartest and most intellectual running" not to know this, is quite a contradiction. Even Obama's claim to have come up with "Yes We Can" is a lie. I have a finger that'sgot an itch too....
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 18, 2008 12:09 PM
You Clinton folk need to start reading more of the news than relying on U-tube so much .
"Here's a good one on the Ayers-Obama background and it's not from gotohellobama dot com
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-radicals18apr18,1,5623804.story
Obama and Ayers moved in some of the same political and social circles in the leafy liberal enclave of Hyde Park, where they lived several blocks apart. In the mid-1990s, when Obama was running for the Illinois Senate, Ayers introduced Obama during a political event at his home, according to Obama's aides. Ayers, a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, later contributed $200 to Obama's state campaign.
"Obama and Ayers met a dozen times as members of the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, a local grant-making foundation, according to the group's president. They appeared together to discuss juvenile justice on a 1997 panel sponsored by the University of Chicago, records show. They appeared again in 2002 at an academic panel co-sponsored by the Chicago Public Library."
Laura S. Washington, chairwoman of the Woods Fund, called it "ridiculous to suggest there's anything inappropriate" about Ayers and Obama serving on the nine-member board of directors. The Woods Fund issued $3.4 million in grants to local arts, housing and civic groups last year from an endowment of about $70 million, she said.
"Obama joined the board in 1993 and stepped down in 2002, three years after Ayers was appointed, she said. The board met four times a year to discuss policy and new grant proposals, she said."
there much more background in this article that refutes the BS of tz and Maxtrue on the subject.
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 18, 2008 12:09 PM
re: Obama flipping off Clinton
If you watch the entire clip you will see that early in the speech he touches his face with his pinkie. But when it comes to this segment it appears purposeful, and timed. If it was an accident - it just shows how dumb he can be, to do something that could be twisted on video and stills into something vulgar.
re: Clinton supporter not giving vote to Obama
A vote for BHO is also a vote rewarding the media and their bias tactics. It's says - sure MSNBC and others -it's fine to bash one candidate and give the other a pass.
re: Guns
Actually, I am planning to buy one soon.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 12:10 PM
Burrito.....this is SC...my own mudda is also republican...as are most of my friends.....lol
Posted by: sturgeone | April 18, 2008 12:11 PM
Max - TLDR
Too Long Didn't Read
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 12:12 PM
When someone flips you the finger, at least when it's been done to or by me, there's no nuance about it and no mistaking it.
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 18, 2008 12:14 PM
my mudda was a mudda, (Seinfeld horse race episode)
lol : )
I don't take any offense
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 12:16 PM
"I would think you were right about the finger except for the smirk and brush off and "you know what I mean" as the audience laughed."
perfect example of what Barack means when he says "we're in the silly season of politics"
Geez Max, can't you just post a link to your copy of rantings.
Posted by: Bitter Brian Hussein In NYC
| April 18, 2008 12:16 PM
Canadian Free press?
LOL
Definitely Wacko
http://canadafreepress.com/
And unlike you I know how to post links.
"can't post a link" LOL
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 18, 2008 12:17 PM
Pogo.... I hear you loud and clear..... and agree.....
uburrito.... I love seeing all the newbies around here.... without them.... I think things can get stale.... unfortunately.... it hasn't helped much lately..... I see the same arguments going around and around whether it's oldies or newbies.... as someone who loves to learn.... that kind of thing bores the crap out of me.... too much to learn and not enough time.... I think that was what Pogo was driving at.... not trying to insult you or anyone else new around here.....
and for the record..... I will vote for whomever the Democratic nominee eventually is.... but I think all Americans have the right to vote their conscience..... I know many who say they vote the person and not the party..... as an independent.... I say "good for them!".....
everyone have a great weekend....
Posted by: RebelliousRenee
| April 18, 2008 12:17 PM
I guess when he fails at something the best Obama can do is, turn it around and mock the process.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 12:20 PM
Jack, I said that the links withing the artical don't transfer through cut and paste. Yes a totally wacko article with not a shred of truth...LOL
Maybe you can spell out all the lies....
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 18, 2008 12:23 PM
All you have to do is paste the URL in your post, and idiot can do that.
Posted by: Bitter Brian Hussein In NYC
| April 18, 2008 12:27 PM
Yes Jack, nice objective site. Did you catch the support links to Rush, Michelle, Ann, Neal, Drudge, ad nauseam.
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 18, 2008 12:27 PM
Warren: "Like Bill Clinton said - everyone needs to "quit whining."
Did you send Bill's quote off to Obomie in a little letter today too...sounds like most of the whining is coming from poor wittle Obomie cwying because he dwid bwadly in da debate cwuz those mweanies gwave him hward qwuestions.
Poor wittle Obomie.
And then he tops it off by flippin' Hillary the bird
Now that is a CLASS ACT
;-)
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 18, 2008 12:28 PM
*does the silly season jig*
Posted by: Bitter Brian Hussein In NYC
| April 18, 2008 12:34 PM
Jack,
That is why I'm really giving him a pass on the finger. He actually has beautiful hands with very long fingers and it could be a totally unconcious gesture. The shoulder brush off wasn't unconcious. Look at the video, see the way he did it, look at the audience laughing and then add in the verbal "you know what I mean'. THAT was totally intentional.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 12:36 PM
by MSWord's word count the last post my max was 2951 words.
don't you get tired of just typing?
yo soy Horsedooty!
Posted by: yo soy Horsedooty!
| April 18, 2008 12:36 PM
Max,
Please post links. You consume way too much loading time for many people. That is why the messages are short and conversational. If people want to read after you give them a clue, they will click on the link. Anything else is discourteous.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 12:38 PM
I didn't realize when you support Hillary you get the power to read minds, I'm impressed.
Posted by: Bitter Brian Hussein In NYC
| April 18, 2008 12:42 PM
Another Clinton cabinet member endorses Obama!
Robert Reich to Endorse Obama
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/04/heilemann_robert_reich_to_endo.html
Posted by: Bitter Brian Hussein In NYC
| April 18, 2008 12:45 PM
Well, I guess you DON'T want to talk about guns.
Welcome to the 24/7 Hillary vs Obama deathmatch blog.
Rules for posting
* You must be either a Clinton or Obama supporter.
* You can be as nasty as you want,
* as long as you complain about how nasty the other side is.
* Remember, McCain WILL WIN if your candidate does
not get the nomination.
* This will be followed by the collapse of Western Civilization.
*But a few determined monks in Ireland will keep the light of knowledge burning.
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 12:48 PM
My problem with voting for Sen. Obama is a simple one. In my lifetime, I've cast a vote for one president that I really really wanted and that was Bill Clinton.
After a whole lot of "lesser of two evils", I simply will not do it again. It will be a straight Dem ticket except for the Presidency and it will either be a vote for Hillary Clinton or a write in vote for Hillary Clinton.
Just to borrow a slogan: She is the one I've been waiting for and I will vote for her.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 12:50 PM
Brian
That is not a new one he has been in the Obama column for some time.
He may have been like Donna Brazile and just pretending to be neutral.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 18, 2008 12:50 PM
Jack, I didn't know all those commentaries were written by wackos....work calls and sorry for the typos, I was eating lunch...By the way, go to the orginal article and just click on supporting links.
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 18, 2008 12:54 PM
Hi. I just wanted you to know that I've been lurking here, laughing my butt off.
-John (your next President) McCain
By the way, if you visit my website, my wife has a new recipe for "roast duck with bitter sauce." (I think it's Chinese.)
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 12:54 PM
Nash, I've had my share of guns. Liked my Colt Python the best. The M1911 was pretty nice. My Beretta .32 was a POS. Right now I'll depend on my fighting knife.
If I wanted someone to cover my six, it sure wouldn't be Mr Obama.
If civil society vanishes from the face of the Earth, the old soldier up the street has an arsenal that we'll share.
Oh, of the three, I'd want Mrs Clinton covering my back.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 18, 2008 12:54 PM
So Jack, in the CBS video...what was the lady right over his right shoulder so tickled about and what exactly did she have to clue her friend in about?
I don't blame him...it fits in with his arrogant personality to throw someone the bird.
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 18, 2008 12:56 PM
Jamie:
"The shoulder brush off wasn't unconcious. Look at the video, see the way he did it, look at the audience laughing and then add in the verbal "you know what I mean'. THAT was totally intentional"
True,
even including cleaning something off of his shoe
But that is just standard playful politics, clowning for the faithful. No big deal IMO
Though making big deals out of nothing seems to be standard fare, for this campaign season.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 18, 2008 12:57 PM
Nash are you sure she didn't steal that bitter sauce recipe from Hillary's page?
Posted by: Bitter Brian Hussein In NYC
| April 18, 2008 12:59 PM
Wendy
She has a dirty mind just like you.;-)
But from Obama's reaction he didn't have a clue as to what his finger just did.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 18, 2008 1:01 PM
Same Nunn and David Boren have both just endorsed Obama, we're having a good day Nash, Warren, and Rez!
Posted by: Bitter Brian Hussein In NYC
| April 18, 2008 1:01 PM
Jack - I don't know what having a "dirty mind" has to do with it. I live in LA and drive on LAs freeways...I think I know what a middle finger looks like.
And...why did he smirk...
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 18, 2008 1:03 PM
Jamie -- Thanks for posting Jay-Z's Dirt Off Your Shoulders song -- one of my favorites.
So did Obama really have that played as an entry song for his rally in NC when he flipped the bird to Hillary?
Here is a description of Obama's "act a fool" behavior, courtesy of Ludacris:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3m3WA2t-us&feature=related
Posted by: Divalicias | April 18, 2008 1:07 PM
I just wanted you all to know that I am disgusted by all the negative politics in this campaign.
-Lee Atwater (Still burning in hell, but, in 100,000 years, they're going to give me an ice cube.)
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 1:09 PM
Wendy
He smirked throughout the whole clip.
Why?
Because, I suspect, he knew he was peddling BS.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 18, 2008 1:09 PM
Barack’s “Underground” Friends
"Last night’s ABC debate was the first official “beating” that Barack Obama has ever received from a MAINSTREAM news-network. It’s moderators finally asked tough questions to both candidates and forced them to be as honest as possible about their answers. The reason I label it a “beating” is because, most of Obama’s supporters have never had to experience their candidate facing tough questions about issues related to his OBVIOUS unelectability in November.
As a curious side-note, if you go to William Ayers’ main website, you will notice a very prominent name in the middle of the page: ABU-ZAYD. For those of you who are not familiar with Islamic culture, the name means “FATHER OF ZAYD” and it is Ayers OTHER name. As you may have noticed above, Ayers has two children which he raised as Muslims (Malik and Zayd), a fact that he openly exalts by applying to himself an honorary Muslim name."
As the Castillian saying goes; “tell me with whom you are with, and I will tell you who you are”.
http://savagepolitics.com/
Posted by: GORDO | April 18, 2008 1:09 PM
The only way Mr Obama could get a pass on the finger would be if his thumb and forefinger were in a cast.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 18, 2008 1:10 PM
McCain releases his tax returns -- but Cindy McCain doesn't release her tax returns. McCain's campaign says he's doing the same thing that Kerry did. OMG the irony!
Posted by: Divalicias | April 18, 2008 1:10 PM
Brian: After the Hillary people cause the collapse of Western Civilization, why don't you and I move to Ireland and become monks? (I believe you get to drink as much wine as you want, and the peasants do all the work.)
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 1:12 PM
Jack,
You think that his antics are just playful. You and Brian
both, ...........playful?
Sorry, that was serious, arrogant, disrespectful and childish behavior.
(((((( Absolutely, positively NOT presidential material.!!!!!! )))))))))))
He may have thought it was cute, but I do not think many other people will, except his immature adoring Kool aid drinking supporters.
Just take in those on this space who have said they will not vote for him even if he is the democ nominee, just think what that will be multiplied by thousands and you get what ... A Loser.... He just confirmed al