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I thought that they were both remarkably nonresonsive given that in all likelyhood the SCOTUS is going to rule 5 to 4 that the Washington DC guns laws are unconstituational. This is going to lead to immediate challenges by the NRA to two other cities HIGHLY restrictive guns laws...Chicago and New York City. That would have been my question if I was George or Charlie....where will they stand on those two cities being overturned?
~Gidget
"Why doesn't somebody bring up White Water and Hillary's not so stellar Health Care Program when she was in the White House"
I suppose because they have been digging up that dead horse and beating it to death one more time for years. Did you have a specific unanswered question or just getting in another blow?
Jamie
Good pic....although I think HRC looks more like Mary Martin as Annie....
I think she should immediately change her theme music to "Anything You Can Do, I Can Do Better"
~Gidget
That was Obama shooting himself in the foot. Obama’s smirking put down of Hillary by attempting to use Annie Oakley as his tool, is just a glaring reminder that misogyny runs deep in this system and that it is acceptable. He often smirks in a condescending way and uses a “personal put down” when he really can’t intelligently respond to Hillary. This kind of a response reminds thinking women that he is one of the guys and he is a guy’s guy. Not all women believe that he thinks in a positive way about women’s rights or that he even “gets it”. Hillary may be a better shot than he and the male press can envision.
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Great post! You've articulated my feelings in a way that I could not have.
Off topic--Does anyone here care to comment on Joe Scarborough walking off David Gregory's show last night? I hope this doesn't get him fired. He's one of the very few on TV that dares to point out BHO's weaknesses.
Let's not talk about guns. Let's talk about something IMPORTANT, like flag pins. I think everyone should be required by law to wear one, even at the beach. (Ouch).
Bowmanc.. my friends and I did go to Parker's Maple barn..... best maple syrup in the universe, IMNSHO.....
I'll bow out of the gun fight..... I mean discussion...... think I've already seen it about a gazillion times on Clist in the last 3 years..... although it hasn't come up recently....
beautiful day up here..... think I'll go out and finally start cleaning up the gardens....
now for my political statement of the day.....
Clinton..... yes
Obama.....yes
McCain....no
If Hillary had been packing a gun when she was under sniper attack in Bosnia, she could have returned fire.
-The NRA (now advocating the right to bear arms, even in situations that never occurred.)
Jamie- http://insidecablenews.wordpress.com/
Third item down.
Here's the link I've found for the Scarborough dust up..
interesting it was with Rachel Maddow.
I've been taking a break from all things political too...a week in the Napa Valley...I didn't want to undo all the spa treatments and the good wine glows. : )
~Gidget
Bear, after reading your comment from last night (linked below) which was posted well after Stinky's and my bedtime, you and I agree on many levels. (But, accept black or white tie) I' wouldn't be caught dead in a bow tie.)
Not to dwell on the scatological, I liked your comment about the feces.
Back when I first joined the Army people would sometimes say, when a conversation turned particularly ugly, "Man, did he sxxx in his mess kit."
Of course, the feces tended to spray on anyone within earshot. Happens a lot around here. And it takes a long time to get rid of the stink.
Craig, and most Crawfordslisters, love Imus, for his always eloquent contribution to political discourse...
From HuffingtonPost.com..
During the April 17 edition of Imus in the Morning, host Don Imus asserted that Sen. Barack Obama is "almost a bigger pussy than" Sen. Hillary Clinton.
Imus said:
"I thought Senator Obama was on the defensive most of the night. But they're both sissy boys or sissy girls, or whatever. Because they talk big when they're out on the campaign trail, wolfing on each other." News anchor Charles McCord interjected, "But then," and Imus continued: "And then when they show up at the debate, they fold up like a couple of cheap lawn chairs. I mean, I don't understand that. And he's almost a bigger pussy that she is."
Obamaniacs will love their favorite candidates latest round of new politics...enjoy this video of O' giving Hillary the finger yesterday...nice job O' - Is that "new politics" or "chicago style politics"?
There is no doubt in my mind he flipped her off. That move is totally part of the vernacular. I know this because I do it to my husband daily as we sit next to each other, working on these computers about 12 hours a day and he makes me cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. The only thing that would have been MORE obvious would be if he had done it while pushing his sunglasses up on his nose.
He followed that up with the hip hop Jay Z "brush off". Add that to the music intro he used about "99 problems but a b**** aint one of them" ... This guy has a very mean, snarky, thin skinned side that has no business in the WH
I think that a people should really value their vote, and never vote for someone because it is their only choice.
I voted, and if my candidate doesn't get the nomination, I don't just automatically think, "oh well, I'll just vote for the guy I didn't want in the first place."
Ah, the Hillary people are happy today. They loved watching Stephanopoulos (Bill's blowjob spinner) lob swiftboat questions at Obama.
But Hillary is still LOSING, and can't win unless she cons the super-Ds into stealing the nomination for her. Unfortunately, they are more afraid of the voters than they are of the Clinton machine.
Mr. Federici, who was born in Flemington, N.J., met Mr. Springsteen in the 1960s. By 1969, Mr. Federici — often introduced in concert by Mr. Springsteen as “Phantom Dan” — was playing with Mr. Springsteen in a band called Child. Over the years, Mr. Federici joined his friend in the acclaimed Jersey Shore bands Steel Mill, Dr. Zoom and the Sonic Boom and the Bruce Springsteen Band.
Mr. Federici later became a stalwart in the E Street Band.
“Danny and I worked together for 40 years,” Mr. Springsteen said on Thursday. “He was the most wonderfully fluid keyboard player and a pure, natural musician. I loved him very much. We grew up together.”
Mr. Federici played accordion on the wistful “4th of July, Asbury Park (Sandy)” from Mr. Springsteen’s second album, and his organ solo was a highlight of Mr. Springsteen’s first top 10 hit, “Hungry Heart.” His organ coda on the 9/11-inspired Springsteen song “You’re Missing” provided one of the more heart-wrenching moments on the album “The Rising” in 2002.
Mr. Federici released a pair of solo albums that veered from the E Street sound and into soft jazz.
Besides his work with Mr. Springsteen, Mr. Federici played on albums by artists including bandmate Steven Van Zandt as well as Joan Armatrading and Graham Parker.
Barack Obama makes a one-fingered gesture while speaking of Hillary Clinton
"This is one of those political moments that really needs few words.
He's talking critically about his opponent, Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York, and the kind of distasteful gotcha politics that occur in Washington. And he says, "That's all right. Sen. Clinton looked in her element.
Watch the video right then. The presidential candidate raises his right hand to seemingly scratch his cheek.
He doesn't use his whole hand though. Just one finger. Briefly. A couple of strokes.
He pauses. He smiles slyly as the crowd begins to mumble and then he tries, somewhat distracted, to continue his remarks, smiling as the buzz spreads through the crowd.
He'll no doubt deny it later, but that mischievous smile seems to confirm plenty. And the crowd sure sees something."
Well, once again, I'll be scarce here today - have to catch up after too much computer training (note to self, don't replace all the systems at once - chaos is inevitable). Plus, have to take Lil Pogo to the state AAU basketball tourney - his team starts play tonight.
I read over the posts from yesterday and last night - looks like more of the same. This is tiresome, and FWIW this place has largely become polarized, no real discussion of even the issues posted by Craig occurs, the discussion is driven by those who are blindly shooting from the hip at the other camp and spendng their time and wasting the time of the others here by backing up their opinions with nothing more than their opinions. Snark has become the language of choice. People who back up their opinions with links to articles with facts that support their opinions are ridiculed, and frankly, it's boring and too tiresome to spend much time with. And I have bought into this. In other words, this has become just another blog.
The low level of discourse (not to mention discord) has driven some very fine people away, some of whom have been reading and posting at Craigs sites since the beginning of Crawfordslist. And while there are some very fine people who have persisted, and will continue to do so I hope, I expect others will leave, or limit their time here. I expect some continue to read Craig's fine posts - he is after all one of the few nonaligned honest brokers in the punditocracy - and may even read some of the comments. But life's just too short to read utter bullshit a good part of the day, and there's just too much of it here.
I hope the level of discussion here rises - there's hope it can, and occasionally it does. Lately it hasn't. If it weren't for old friends, and some new ones, and you know who you are, I wouldn't stick around at all.
Well no matter how much I want Hillary to win, I am definitely sticking with the DEMS in the Autumn elections. The NUTELLA JAR isn't running, so if it's Obama (which it probably is) he'll have my vote. Who knows, maybe he will develop a bit of humility and less arrogance and I might even start to like him.
subhead: Evidence linking him to the ex-leaders of the Weather Underground is thin. But a YouTube video is making noise.
a gift from story to Jamie and Wendy! and others:
"Adolph Reed Jr., a political scientist at the University of Pennsylvania, knows both Ayers and Obama from his days in Chicago. He plans to vote for Clinton in Pennsylvania's primary Tuesday. But he called the Ayers-Obama link a "bogus story."
I saw Bloomberg with Arnie on Charlies Rose. They were talking about how Governors were joining together to deal with problems - such as global warming - because Washington has failed to address them.
Washington has failed not because there are not good leaders and good ideas on the Hill - but because they are too consumed with partisan nonsense to get anything done.
All joking aside, all this talk of guns has got to be making all of the candidates nervous, given our history of political assassinations, actual or attempted: JFK, RFK, Wallace, Ford, Reagan.
There are so many nuts out there and it is SO easy to get a gun.
ET: I agree with you. The last 7 years have taught us that a man without humility, accountability or the ability to admit mistakes is a lousy way to lead a country. I believe that if Obama could just turn up the humilimeter a titch, it would go a long way to getting the support of the demographics he lacks. Of course, the Obama supporters will tell you that we will all fall in line after the nomination process is complete: No problemo—we'll Hope for the best.
Like Bill Clinton said - everyone needs to "quit whining."
(Start trying to act a little more like Republicans - and focus on winning this election instead of your personal feelings. If not - you will be feeling that this country is continuing down the wrong path for another 4 years....).
Warren, Sturge, You have to understand that many people believe Mr Obama is such a flawed candidate that they would prefer voting for nobody or for Mr McCain,
Deriding the people who feel that way will do absolutely nothing for Mr Obama's cause.
Right-Wing media and 527s would make the Obama-Ayers story BIG. More Dems should listen to the R-W media - they are very good at what they do - attack & destroy. Many of you have no idea what Obama would face in the GE.
I really think that everyone here can handle themselves on this blog however they may choose. Craig has been very clear on free speech.
Also, I do not think this blog needs a daily reminder of how good it used to be. That is fairly insulting, even if you don't mean it that way. If you have problem with another person then go ahead and say something here or in private.
Personally, I really think this blog is great! Most all the people are really kind and Craig comments are always insightful and often funny. Some of us are new here - and we prefer not to bitch 24/7.
GORDO: Rightwing media did not manage to get any of their preferred GOP candidates to the finish line. One by one they fell to McCain, whom most GOP hot-talkers despise.
This country has suffered mightily under GWBush-Cheney for 8 years.
RW media and 527s will do what they always do, but their shrieking will fall on saddened but wiser ears.
And Obama's fundraising and organizational finesse have sizzled.
Am sad to hear some C Listers saying it's their candidate or no vote.
All of us will be welcome to change our minds (or not) closer to November.
My mother is a republican, I wouldn't call her slimy.
lol
My vote is my voice in an election. I not about to give that up because of name calling and fear tactics. If anything that makes me more resolved in my decision.
Twenty years ago, liberal Demorcatic Congressman Barnie Frank warned Democrats to stop pushing gun control, that it would give the GOP a huge advantage.
Even today, as the two Dem wannbes repeatedly stumble over this issue, the GOP still owns it.
the blog is great.......blogger and bloggees are a cut above.....
the blog though, is either on a slippery slope to perpetual discord and rampant hollering and insults or maybe it's being re-birthed in this current fire to rise again......but these last couple of months have definitely been ashes.....
once again......there is no derision here though I hold republicans in low esteem........if you dont vote democrat in 08, you may as well be a republican.....I hope that's not name calling but the chips must fall where the crookie cumbles........unless the shoe is on the other hand......
Right-Wing media and 527s would have ONE target - Obama. During the primaries, they were divided among several Repubs and none came under really heavy attack. The Obama supporters are engaged in wishfull thinking about the Repub onslaught, Clinton supporters tend to be more realistic. Hillary has done battle with them and won. The Primary and GE battles are not the same.
Even though the GOP "owns" the gun issue, it's funny how few of their candidates actually hunt or even possess the most basic knowledge of guns.
The most recent example was Romney claiming to shoot "varmints." (This was supposed to explain the fact that he has never had a hunting license, something that can actually be fact-checked.)
Gun ownership and hunting are primarily activities of the shrinking rural population of the USA and most candidates, regardless of party, are city-suburb dwellers. They play golf, they don't hunt ducks.
People in cities and suburbs DO own guns, but not for hunting. They use them to shoot each other.
I actually own a few guns. But I keep them in case civilization collapses and we revert to a subsistence economy. (You can hunt deer with a .22, right?)
The facts point in a different direction and suggest that Obama is PURPOSEFULLY lying about his relationships with this man. Barack Obama was a director of the ‘Woods Fund’ board from 1999 to 2002, according to the Fund’s own website. According to tax filings, Obama received compensation of $6,000 per year for his service in 1999 and 2000. This not-for-profit outfit, which Obama lead during those years, actually funded (with more than $40,000) the founding of the Arab American Action Network, a creation itself of Rashid Khalidi, who is an ex-spokesman for the PLO, and who is now professor of Middle Eastern Studies at Columbia University. Khalidi himself, by the way, was the one responsible for the invitation of President Ahmedinejad (of Iran) to speak at Columbia University a few years back (and in which he was given a large forum to besmirch Israel and to dedicate many hours to his theories regarding the “Jewish role” in the domination of the world). The Woods’ funding of this individual clearly goes beyond an innocent charity, since Khalidi has openly and in countless times expressed support for Palestinian terror, calling suicide bombings a natural response to “Israeli aggression.” He also dedicated his 1986 book, “Under Siege,” to “those who gave their lives … in defense of the cause of Palestine and independence of Lebanon.” Is it really possible to claim that they didn’t know about Khalidi’s views? What is the connection between Khalidi and Obama?
Obama first met Khalidi when they were both lecturers in the University of Chicago in 1993 (Obama was in the University’s law school) and said relationship lasted for more than 12 years of shared interests (many professors attest to this, but under anonymity). In the year 2000, Khalidi held a very successful fundraiser for Obama’s failed bid for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives. When Khalidi was asked, in the John Batchelor Show of New York’s WABC Radio and Los Angeles’ KFI Radio about his fundraising activities on behalf of Barack Obama, he answered that Obama “is the only candidate who has expressed sympathy for the Palestinian cause.” Khalidi also said, that he likes the fact that Obama is “saying he supports talks with Iran. If the U.S. can talk with the Soviet Union during the Cold War, there is no reason it can’t talk with the Iranians.”
Do associations matter in politics? It is a basic rule of networking that they do. And their political views always come into account when we a politician makes these “acquaintances”, since these will define the method and process in which you acquire said power (in his case is radical liberalism and “lefty” politics). Obviously, this can be easily understood when we observe how one individual supports one candidate over another (by funding their organizations, etc.). We must also understand that William C. Ayers, who was made famous yesterday because of ABC’s push of the story into the mainstream, has OPENLY stated that the best method of effecting “real change” in the United States is by “killing all the rich White people”. Bill Ayers OWN connection to Arab terrorism and the PLO are well established, in addition to his association to Khalidi himself, and cannot be “swept under the rug” as obscure philosophies which Obama “has never heard about”. (If Obama is this incompetent in choosing his friends out of “innocent ignorance” about their character, then he is obviously NOT FIT to be President of the United States!)
As a curious side-note, if you go to William Ayers’ main website (CLICK HERE), you will notice a very prominent name in the middle of the page: ABU-ZAYD. For those of you who are not familiar with Islamic culture, the name means “FATHER OF ZAYD” and it is Ayers OTHER name. As you may have noticed above, Ayers has two children which he raised as Muslims (Malik and Zayd), a fact that he openly exalts by applying to himself an honorary Muslim name.
Nonetheless, as Obama stated in ABC’s debate, if we simply suspend our reason and knowledge of how politics ACTUALLY works, then we must assume that being associated to Rev. Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers is not sufficiently substantive to ascribe to him the same and exact philosophical views of the world that they have. But, even if this was absolutely true (for the sake of argument), these unwholesome friendships and partnerships, at the very least, open the possibility of interpreting Obama’s own political policies through the same lens that his friends and their views have established for him (thus their friendship and support of Obama).
Why does the MSM let him get away with these ads in PA and Indiana saying he doesn't take money from "Washington lobbyists" as if he doesn't have them bundling for him like crazy. Like all politicians, he doesn't care about one $2,300 check. The people who will get access if he gets in the White House are those who bundle hundreds of thousands of dollars. What a hypocrit.
Thanks to the 26th amendentment, I've managed to squeeze 9 presidential elections into my voting history.
In those 9 elections, I've had 3 of my votes actually be for the winning candidate...2 of those were for Bill Clinton and I am still thankful that he was President for 8 years.
It's the other "win" that I regret and I see a lot of similiarities between then and now.
Carter was the new face, not a Washington insider, again at a time when most voters were overwhelmingly disgusted with the last eight years of GOP rule. Then, as now, the concern of a lot of leading Democrats was that Carter did not have the neccessary experience to be POTUS.
I did not support Carter in the primaries...(I was for Mo Udall)...I grew to distrust Carter through the campaign and the debates. But, when he became the Democratic nominee, I voted for him because I was a "Democrat"and had never voted for anyone on the GOP ticket.
To this day, I'm convinced the country would have been better off with 4 years of Gerald Ford....it may have even saved us from 8 years of Reagan.
Good article by Paul Krugman today in NYTimes about harm Obama does when he denigrates the Clinton years. The pro-Obama media continue to discuss extent to which Clinton is harming the eventual Dem nominee by staying in the race (which she's losing by a whopping 1% of the popular vote). On the other hand, have heard no discussion of problems of Obama lumping the Clinton and Bush administrations together and belittling the accomplishments of the one Dem administration that led the country well in the past 40 years: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/18/opinion/18krugman.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
excerpt:
...And one more thing: let’s hope that once Mr. Obama is no longer running against someone named Clinton, he’ll stop denigrating the very good economic record of the only Democratic administration most Americans remember.
Well it might not have been important in Chicago, but it sure feeds the narrative about 1. Obama did not tell the truth when he said his relationship with Ayers is flimsy and 2. He hangs with a crowd a bit removed from the centrist narrative the would like to paint.
His appearance on Colbert was quite arrogant and I found Edwards far more worthy of my vote than Obama. Last night Jon was much more to the point. Although he made light of the questions about Ayers and Wright we stand in opposition to Obama's fictionalized image, Jon showed what Obama's stuttering responses were to questions about the economy and Israel. They left Stewart speechless. If Obama is the smartest and most intellectual candidate running, we are in deep shit.
Oh, and Colbert? A prisoner to his writers and his ego. I do watch because sometimes he is quite funny, but he, like most of the MSM are simply Obama cheerleaders and his butt kissing last night revealed him to be just a satire of his own truthiness. His only impact is to the degree he plays it down the middle. His mocking all week has been as a supporter of Obama and unlike Stewart didn't dare make fun of Obama. He didn't even poke fun at the gramatical butchery of his vet guest last night. Clobert is an expert butt kisser indeed....
I would think you were right about the finger except for the smirk and brush off and "you know what I mean" as the audience laughed. He knew Exactly what he was doing and was smart enough to do it in such a way as to communicate to the audience while sliding it by for being shown on TV. He has now used two Jay Z songs to directly apply to Sen. Clinton and aged, creaky whit producers who don't have a clue have let it slide until pointed out to them.
Well said TZ, which is why I cannot vote for Obama. His message is built on a fiction rendering his vision suspect. If people cannot see the links between anti-Zionist, anti-American sentiments expressed in those Obama called friends and supporters, then they are in denial. The time is coming to simply vote and give up trying to convince people of things their faith will not allow them to consider.
Whether some believe Obama gave Hillary the finger or not, he did metaphorically long ago. And it is no surprise his mentors, supporters and friends have given many Americans the finger. I suggest we use ours in Novemeber.
You guys will have to fill in the rest, but I'm not buying the idea that Barack was sending that "across the table message" that Ally sends her husband. My reason: No eye contact. That and the fact that the index finger was hanging out there enough to cloud the message.
"We Obama people are down with the street. We've got a .32 gun in our pocket for fun, and a razor in our shoe"
Bring that piece, You'll need it over here on the southside. You be the kind that pees his pants if a brother walks up and asks for a light. But your type does dig fast for change, so we get a 40 oz.
Leroy Brown
What is this bullshit kkk in the Captcha key. This site is racist, I tell you Racist. You'll never see me here again.
Sorry I have to disagree with you. I watched the video.
He knows exactly what he is doing.. The smile and saying you have to stick it . All the online msm have it on as well as both chicago papers, agree he did it, some more scathingly than others.
Do you mean the well linked article from the Free Canadian Press? Or do you think Counterterrorism.org is a wacko site. American Thinker is a wacko site.
What is wacko to you is any well documented article that explores the real associations and ideologies of the web Obama put himself into. You much prefer the fiction to fact.
How Obama’s church and associates link him to the ISM
By Lee Kaplan Tuesday, April 1, 2008
Some media pundits have tried suggesting that Barack Obama’s recent speech about his association with Reverend Jeremiah Wright and the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago is comparable to the Gettysburg Address in calling for national “unity.”
But if one parses some key statements by Obama in that speech, one can see how Obama poses more of a threat of creating disunity in America and how he will probably use racism as a vehicle do so.
Some liberal Jewish groups have begun an email campaign trying to persuade American Jews concerned by Jeremiah Wright’s comparison of the black American experience with that of the Palestinians in the Middle East as not being compatible with Barack Obama’s views. Led by Democratic Florida Congressman Larry Wexler (D) Florida, Obama’s Jewish supporters have claimed that after meeting with members of AIPAC, the Israel Lobby, Obama stated that the Palestinians must renounce the right of return, the Catch 22 used by the PLO and its front group, the International Solidarity Movement, that prevents any other solution to the Middle East conflict other than the dismantling of Israel as a Jewish state. In addition, the email claims, Obama stated that the missiles fired on Sderot are unacceptable and that Israel should have a right to defend itself. But that same email also contains the tired (and untrue) old leftist platitudes that so many Israelis would not have been murdered by Arab terrorists since Oslo were it not for the Likud Party in Israel that has refused to give away unconditionally Israel’s security in exchange for empty promises from the terrorist warlords in Fatah and Hamas. Both terrorist groups agree in Arabic the only acceptable real end game is the dismantling of the Jewish state, something that is always glossed over by lefties when someone euphemistically talks about “peace.” “Peace” to the Arabs is newspeak for Israel becoming Palestine.
Obama’s statements, were, for the untrained ears of pampered Jewish leftists in the Democratic Party what might be classified as being “so far so good.”
However, without losing a beat, an article has appeared on the ISM affiliated website Electronic Intifada (EI) by one of its co-founders, Ali Abunimah, in which Abumimah recounts his close past working relationship with Obama prior to the presidential campaign and how Abunimah believes Obama is merely giving lip service to the Jewish community to get elected, and that once in office he will work for the Palestinian cause. Abunimah lists himself and is mentioned in subsequent Obama articles in the mainstream press merely as a “Palestinian activist.” Abunimah insists that Obama will “come around” once elected.
But Ali Abunimah is more than just some “Palestinian activist” based in Chicago, the same location as Reverend Wright and the Trinity United Church of Christ. He is, in fact, one of the founders of the fiercely anti-Semitic ISM Arab group Al Awda, the Palestine Right of Return Coalition. Abunimah is a high level international leader of the ISM for the Arabs who travels extensively between Chicago, Europe and Ramallah.
Al Awda in Arabic means “The Return,” and the group not only calls for the complete destruction of Israel, even denying Israel’s current existence on its website and urging boycotts against not only Israelis, but American Jews and their businesses, but also calls for specifically supporting Arab terrorists in Iraq who kill US soldiers. Among its more than 130 chapters across the US and Canada, Al Awda’s New Jersey chapter is led by a young woman named Charlotte Kates who has called Israeli children killed by suicide bombers “fair game.” The ISM’s Al Awda openly supports terrorism as “legitimate resistance” in ISM revolutionary lingo.
Al Awda’s anti-Semitism has also linked to neo-Nazi groups in promoting the boycott and divestment from Israel on American campuses and in the US business community. It became so virulent that the group was booted by the UC Riverside campus administration from holding an international conference on that campus last year. Ali Abunimah, even today, is featured on the Al Awda website supporting terrorism against Israelis because he considers that “nonviolence is overrated.”
In short, Obama saw no problem being lobbied in the past by someone who openly promotes terrorism and discrimination against Jewish-Americans.
Al Awda is commemorating the 60th anniversary of the Nakba (catastrophe of the creation of Israel) this coming May thanks to the willingness of the management of Hilton Hotels to overlook anti-Semitism in its facilities to make a buck. A new petition is in the works to get Hilton to stop this. Al Awda’s scheduled guest of honor will be a PFLP terrorist member named Khalida Jarrar, and their website recently gave an homage to the late PFLP founder George Habash. Al Awda wants convicted Islamic Jihad financier/terrorist Sami al Arian released, a murderer of over 100 people abroad, some of them Americans, from terrorist attacks.
If Barack Obama didn’t know about Abunimah’s writings (and Abunimah says he did), the same as his claims of being unaware of Reverend Wright’s remarks after 20 years, then Obama is not competent to be our President. Abunimah likes to lie and claim Al Awda has nothing to do with the ISM or Electronic Intifada, though plenty of evidence exists on the website the homepage at www.StoptheISM.com showing the contrary.
But Obama’s association with the ISM through his church and lobbying in Chicago goes even deeper than just his past links to Al Awda and Ali Abunimah. His pastor, Jeremiah Wright, and the Trinity Union Church of Christ in Chicago, are both equally involved with the ISM.
Since 2001, the ISM has been tasked by the PLO and other Arab irredentist groups with getting new generations of American college kids to consider democratic Israel as somehow a violator of human rights, all the while as the Palestinian Arabs who practice open anti-Semitism, honor killings, and the murders of their own people as well as Jews, as commendable practices. At their 2003 national organizing conference at Ohio State, ISM activists set out to deconstruct American narratives about Israel as a democratic state with firm support from secular radical Americans of Jewish ancestry. In one workshop set up to discuss ways to put a good face on suicide bombings, ISM activists spoke of new ways of reinterpreting the Bible so Israel did not belong to the Jews, but to the Palestinians.
In working with the Saudi funded Muslim Students Association in campuses across the US, the ISM has managed to cloud the image among American youth through disinformation and propaganda campaigns against Jews and Israel in order to try and make American students believe Israel is an apartheid state like South Africa was in the 1980s. At the same time, these same Palestinian groups like Al Awda insist the West Bank and Gaza must be Jew-free. Since this campaign has been largely successful in organizing anti-Israel attitudes on campuses all over America, and since Jewish organizations in America have been slow to react, the ISM moved on to another program to do the same thing only this time alienating US churches, particularly evangelical churches that have a long-term sense of Biblical support for the Jewish state. Thus was born the Sabeel Ecumenical Liberation Theological Society created as part of the ISM to do in US churches what various ISM groups succeeded to do in American colleges.
At the same time, a foothold already existed to a small degree in the American black religious community such as is led by Louis Farrakhan.
The mainstream ISM leadership is made up of Palestinian Christian Arabs who are also communists/anarchists and pan-Arab nationalists first, that hold to the philosophy of the Popular Front for The Liberation of Palestine, the second largest faction of the PLO. Using communist revolutionary practices of “solidarity,” it has been these Palestinian Arab Christian “revolutionaries,” aligned with Jewish- American communists and anarchists, that have been working so well on the campuses in the US and the UK.
Now, it has become the ISM’s time to deconstruct religious dogma of Israel belonging to the Jews as is preached in US churches and to increase the number of black churches in America that are working in “solidarity” with this program. Jeremiah Wright’s church is one of them. Even though the national synod of the United Church for Christ rescinded a boycott and divestment plan against Israel, a wing of the UCC church keeps trying to get it reinstated. That wing includes Reverend Wright’s Trinity UCC Church in Chicago. Few people know also, that there are many Muslim members of Reverend Wright’s “Christian” church, a close ally of Sabeel.
Led by a Palestinian Christian pastor named Naim Ateek, Sabeel’s purpose is as part of the ISM to especially convince churches in America that the diminishing Christian population in the West Bank, particularly Bethlehem, is not due to persecution by the Muslim majority in the Palestinian Authority against Christians caused Christian flight, but because of Israel’s Jews and “the occupation.” In order to achieve this, Sabeel practices something called “replacement theology “ which aligns itself closely with the ideas of its Muslim fundamentalist allies.
Replacement theology advanced by the ISM and Sabeel holds that Jesus was not a Jew, but a Palestinian. It also holds that the fulfillment of scripture is not Jews returning to the land of Israel, but Palestinian Arabs taking control of Israel from Jewish oppressors to become Palestine. In replacement theology, Abraham’s son, Isaac, was not to be sacrificed before God, but it was rather Ishmael, the father of the Arab people. This is also the Muslim interpretation of the Torah in the Koran. Yasser Arafat always claimed that Jesus was a Palestinian, not a Jew. Arafat, though a secular Muslim, also saw the value of his allies in the PFLP in recruiting pan-Arab revolutionaries and Arab communists to achieve his goals.
Why should a Christian Arab pastor like Naim Ateek teach such things? He does so because his religious teachings are based more on politics than anything else, and it gives him a power base and funding as a religious leader he could only dream of among the Christian Arab minority population.
Sabeel has been actively working in cooperation with Chicago’s Trinity UCC among certain other politically active churches in America to promote anti-Israel and even anti-Semitic beliefs that can erode American Christian support for Israel and hasten Israel’s destruction. And Pastor Jeremiah Wright, pandering to his majority black congregation, has been teaching his own replacement theology, only this time its called “black replacement theology.” Jesus was not a Jew, says Wright, but a “black man.” Trinity UCC’s relationship with the anti-Semitic Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam (funded by anti-Israel Libya) fits in nicely with this formula also. The Christian religious icon is no longer a Jew, but a black man and to accept this interpretation is the way to salvation for the black man. This not only deconstructs
American church views of the legitimacy of Israel, but has a nice foothold with the likes of the Nation of Islam in the US black community.
In his speech, Obama actually tried to give some credibility to Wright’s speech claiming it portrays the real experience for black Americans without saying what specific parts of Wright’s diatribes he was referring to. By accusing the US of bombing innocent people of color at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, of America infecting black American with AIDS, or of “chickens coming home to roost” for 9/11 (ignoring that plenty of black Americans died in those attacks), were more than just blanket “issues” that Obama called them and said he does not agree with “totally.”
But does this all really link back to Obama? Can’t he still get by, saying that his pastor Wright and church of 20 years, and Ali Abunimah also do not bespeak his personal opinions?
To the contrary, in his speech about Wright, Obama said he does believe such things when he said he cannot disavow them from Reverend Wright or disassociate himself from the demagogical pastor any more than from the black community. He just did it in veiled language. He just spoke about his close family-like relationship with Wright and then suggested Wright speaks to the black experience in America.
Here is the most important parsed line from Obama’s speech (and it’s no Gettysburg Address):
“The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor.”
So the man who “introduced” Barack Obama to his “Christian faith” also teaches that Jesus was not a Jew, and that the white Jews exploited the “black Palestinians” in the Bible, and who espouses ISM and Sabeel religious terminology among his fellow Christians, particularly blacks, even against the wishes of his own synod.
Jeremiah Wright certainly knows his market.
That is the Christianity of Jeremiah Wright and based on Obama’s speech, the same Christianity that Wright introduced Obama to, and one the presidential candidate still believes and won’t disavow no matter what it costs him.
True, Obama mentioned how Wright taught him to be kind unto others. But according to Wright’s interpretation, that “kindness” has more to do with fighting “white oppression” than urging nonviolence and brotherly love among all races. Wright’s church even praised Hamas in the past, and has always touted it as an Islamic charity organization showing such social kindness despite its charter calling for unyielding murder and expulsion of Jews in the Middle East.
The ISM’s training manual says that international ISM volunteers in the West Bank should not tell people they are human shields for terrorist groups but “peace activists” because it deceives people from their real purpose of attacking Israel any way they can to the benefit of their Palestinian handlers. So, too, does Barack Obama talk about loving one another as taught to him by a pastor who then accuses America of murdering innocent people of color at Hiroshima and Nagasaki over 50 years ago. The American servicemen whose lives were spared back then by ending the war quickly were also black men, Latinos and others who were fighting Japanese racists who murdered Chinese, Filipinos and other “inferior” people on a regular basis, who ran experimental death camps for American and British prisoners-of-war, and who were allied with a Nazi Germany that was allied with the same Arab nationalist leadership that is still trying to destroy the Jews today.
“I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community,” said Obama. So then it is clear that Obama believes that Wright’s ideas represent the black community and black experience in America when they represent only the radicalized fringe of black America that wants to aid America’s enemies abroad. It is doubtful many black Americans who served proudly in the US military feel the same as Wright on this issue.
What is more, militant Islamists see a potential to sow internal problems and promote their fascist goals in the US by trying to divide the American black community against the US government. Whereas blacks have been exploited in the past, this is now seen as a way to achieve the goals of expanding the Muslim ummah inside the US from in the Middle East. That is why Libya gives money to Farrakhan and why the ISM and Sabeel work with Reverend Wright whose personal interpretations of Christianity are entrenched in Obama’s mind as the True Word of Christianity. Wright actually visited Mohammar Ghaddafi in Libya with Farrakhan in the past.
I attended an AIPAC (Israel lobby) conference two years ago where another black candidate for congress, Barbara Lee (D) Oakland, was in attendance as the representative for Oakland/Berkeley. Ms. Lee sat very respectfully as she was fawned over by a crowd of Jewish Israel supporters and acted as if she was really concerned about Israel. Ms. Lee even smiled at me personally as she left. Meanwhile, she was the only member of Congress who voted against going after Bin Laden after 9/11 in Afghanistan and also supports groups like Hamas, Hizballah and Al Awda in their anti-Semitic goals. Congressman Wexler needs to understand that what Obama says to a meeting of Jews will not translate into what he does once he is in office. In that regard, Ali Abunimah of Al Awda is probably right about Obama going to work for the Palestinians once in office Obama’s staffers certainly suggest the same.
The question is if we want a man in the White House who will regularly give his ear to the likes of a Reverend Wright, his and Sabeel’s replacement theologies, and pro-terrorist propagandists like Ali Abunimah on a regular basis? In one sense, Obama could be considered the ISM’s Manchurian candidate given his wide connections to ISM activists and campaign movements such as the Wheels of Justice Tour, Joseph Carr a.k.a. Joseph Smith, Hannah Mermelstein, Anna Baltzer and others.
Posted 04/1 at 08:59 AM by Canadian Free Press
Links were provided in the original article which one cannot cut and past. Much of this has been substantiated by reputable blogs some including counterterrorism blogs.
Sorry Sturg, I just wanted people to see what some call wacko. As Counterterrorism.org has been saying for years, Hamas and others are very clever how they work, lobby and move the money. There is also deep connections between various radicals and their intellectual apologists. Unfortunately this web goes beyond "just working the South Side" and why Ayers, Wright, Khadili and others share much of the same agenda. For the "smartest and most intellectual running" not to know this, is quite a contradiction. Even Obama's claim to have come up with "Yes We Can" is a lie. I have a finger that'sgot an itch too....
Obama and Ayers moved in some of the same political and social circles in the leafy liberal enclave of Hyde Park, where they lived several blocks apart. In the mid-1990s, when Obama was running for the Illinois Senate, Ayers introduced Obama during a political event at his home, according to Obama's aides. Ayers, a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, later contributed $200 to Obama's state campaign.
"Obama and Ayers met a dozen times as members of the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, a local grant-making foundation, according to the group's president. They appeared together to discuss juvenile justice on a 1997 panel sponsored by the University of Chicago, records show. They appeared again in 2002 at an academic panel co-sponsored by the Chicago Public Library."
Laura S. Washington, chairwoman of the Woods Fund, called it "ridiculous to suggest there's anything inappropriate" about Ayers and Obama serving on the nine-member board of directors. The Woods Fund issued $3.4 million in grants to local arts, housing and civic groups last year from an endowment of about $70 million, she said.
"Obama joined the board in 1993 and stepped down in 2002, three years after Ayers was appointed, she said. The board met four times a year to discuss policy and new grant proposals, she said."
there much more background in this article that refutes the BS of tz and Maxtrue on the subject.
If you watch the entire clip you will see that early in the speech he touches his face with his pinkie. But when it comes to this segment it appears purposeful, and timed. If it was an accident - it just shows how dumb he can be, to do something that could be twisted on video and stills into something vulgar.
re: Clinton supporter not giving vote to Obama
A vote for BHO is also a vote rewarding the media and their bias tactics. It's says - sure MSNBC and others -it's fine to bash one candidate and give the other a pass.
Pogo.... I hear you loud and clear..... and agree.....
uburrito.... I love seeing all the newbies around here.... without them.... I think things can get stale.... unfortunately.... it hasn't helped much lately..... I see the same arguments going around and around whether it's oldies or newbies.... as someone who loves to learn.... that kind of thing bores the crap out of me.... too much to learn and not enough time.... I think that was what Pogo was driving at.... not trying to insult you or anyone else new around here.....
and for the record..... I will vote for whomever the Democratic nominee eventually is.... but I think all Americans have the right to vote their conscience..... I know many who say they vote the person and not the party..... as an independent.... I say "good for them!".....
Warren: "Like Bill Clinton said - everyone needs to "quit whining."
Did you send Bill's quote off to Obomie in a little letter today too...sounds like most of the whining is coming from poor wittle Obomie cwying because he dwid bwadly in da debate cwuz those mweanies gwave him hward qwuestions.
Poor wittle Obomie.
And then he tops it off by flippin' Hillary the bird
That is why I'm really giving him a pass on the finger. He actually has beautiful hands with very long fingers and it could be a totally unconcious gesture. The shoulder brush off wasn't unconcious. Look at the video, see the way he did it, look at the audience laughing and then add in the verbal "you know what I mean'. THAT was totally intentional.
Please post links. You consume way too much loading time for many people. That is why the messages are short and conversational. If people want to read after you give them a clue, they will click on the link. Anything else is discourteous.
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My problem with voting for Sen. Obama is a simple one. In my lifetime, I've cast a vote for one president that I really really wanted and that was Bill Clinton.
After a whole lot of "lesser of two evils", I simply will not do it again. It will be a straight Dem ticket except for the Presidency and it will either be a vote for Hillary Clinton or a write in vote for Hillary Clinton.
Just to borrow a slogan: She is the one I've been waiting for and I will vote for her.
Jack, I didn't know all those commentaries were written by wackos....work calls and sorry for the typos, I was eating lunch...By the way, go to the orginal article and just click on supporting links.
Nash, I've had my share of guns. Liked my Colt Python the best. The M1911 was pretty nice. My Beretta .32 was a POS. Right now I'll depend on my fighting knife.
If I wanted someone to cover my six, it sure wouldn't be Mr Obama.
If civil society vanishes from the face of the Earth, the old soldier up the street has an arsenal that we'll share.
Oh, of the three, I'd want Mrs Clinton covering my back.
So Jack, in the CBS video...what was the lady right over his right shoulder so tickled about and what exactly did she have to clue her friend in about?
I don't blame him...it fits in with his arrogant personality to throw someone the bird.
"The shoulder brush off wasn't unconcious. Look at the video, see the way he did it, look at the audience laughing and then add in the verbal "you know what I mean'. THAT was totally intentional"
True,
even including cleaning something off of his shoe
But that is just standard playful politics, clowning for the faithful. No big deal IMO
Though making big deals out of nothing seems to be standard fare, for this campaign season.
Jack - I don't know what having a "dirty mind" has to do with it. I live in LA and drive on LAs freeways...I think I know what a middle finger looks like.
I just wanted you all to know that I am disgusted by all the negative politics in this campaign.
-Lee Atwater (Still burning in hell, but, in 100,000 years, they're going to give me an ice cube.)
"Last night’s ABC debate was the first official “beating” that Barack Obama has ever received from a MAINSTREAM news-network. It’s moderators finally asked tough questions to both candidates and forced them to be as honest as possible about their answers. The reason I label it a “beating” is because, most of Obama’s supporters have never had to experience their candidate facing tough questions about issues related to his OBVIOUS unelectability in November.
As a curious side-note, if you go to William Ayers’ main website, you will notice a very prominent name in the middle of the page: ABU-ZAYD. For those of you who are not familiar with Islamic culture, the name means “FATHER OF ZAYD” and it is Ayers OTHER name. As you may have noticed above, Ayers has two children which he raised as Muslims (Malik and Zayd), a fact that he openly exalts by applying to himself an honorary Muslim name."
As the Castillian saying goes; “tell me with whom you are with, and I will tell you who you are”.
McCain releases his tax returns -- but Cindy McCain doesn't release her tax returns. McCain's campaign says he's doing the same thing that Kerry did. OMG the irony!
flatus: If Hillary is going to be "guarding your six," you should remember that the last time she handled a gun, Eisenhower was President. And whatever you do, don't quack.
"The shoulder brush off wasn't unconcious. Look at the video, see the way he did it, look at the audience laughing and then add in the verbal "you know what I mean'. THAT was totally intentional"
--whskyjack
Believe me, when I tell you(as I posted last night)...that shoulder brush was right off Jay-Z's "Dirt off your Shoulder" video.!! That's why young crowd went wild...they knew exactly what BHO was doin'!!!
Well I think you all have finally hit the crazy button......
I use me middle finger in that manner too. I know a LOT of people who absent mindedly stratch their faces, put lip gloss on their mouths...I mean how many hours are you going to argue this moot point?
Jack, good on you for trying to theorize with civility and positive thoughts.
Craig -- Not accurate to generalize DEMs as anti-gun. Remember John Dingell is on the Board of the NRA. It was pro-gun DEMs ho turned the Senate Blue in 2006. I am a Democrat and I've always been something of a pro-2nd Amendment purist. And yes, my Daddy taught me to shoot when I was 6 years old.
Boren. . . I'm impressed! Mr. conservative dressed as a democrat. He was our Senator and later my wife and daughter's boss (figuratively) at the University when we lived in OK.
We have a rifle and a pistol in the house and go to the firing range to practice. Nothing more to say about the subject really. They are there if needed, otherwise they are kept safe and ignored.
I agree that BHO was flippin' the bird. That all started a few years ago, when people started getting arrested for flippin' people off, in public.
I do it all the time...and it is always a conscious act, on my part, to flip off someone, especially when I am driving....everyone does it...most people know what it means!!!
At one of his early rallies he used the Jay Z song "99 problems". The other night he used the Jay Z song "Dirt Off My Shoulder".
Jack
Doing something like this a couple of times for the faithful is one thing. The almost constant stream of sarcastic responses and snarky actions are a personal habit. It tells you what kind of person he is. For some it adds up to strong and confident. For me it adds up to rude, insensitive, touchy and self serving. Just a matter of perception as to what you want in a candidate.
"Nunn and Boren will also serve as advisers on Obama's National Security Foreign Policy Team. Nunn was a one-time chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, while Boren was the longest-serving chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence."
Boren and Nunn have never been Clinton supporters - both gave Bill plenty of trouble. They, like many Big Name Dems, fear Hillary because they would not be able to control her - they want a "Front Man". Vote for Obama if you want the same Washington crowd - Hllary is the real outsider.
Sorry I wasn't clear. They didn't play "Dirt Off My Shoulder", he just did the gesture after saying "Know What I Mean". The audience cracked up. They definitely got the sarcastic joke.
Given his personality, if Sen. Obama doesn't get the nomination, he can do imitations of the Best snarky GWB remarks.
Jamie -- Rosie is not Pro-Obama. She's been pretty neutral. Wants a ticket with both of them on -- one way or the other, but more likely Clinton/Obama. She's got such close friendships with other Clinton supporters such as Madonna, Roseanne, Streisand that she would is not pro-Obama. Plus -- there is no love lost between Rosie and Oprah the Obama-pusher.
This effort just did not need to happen....What a waste of time and effort. Military kids born overseas in a military command or hospital are elegible to be president of the US.
On the Hill
Senators Cross Party Lines to Remove Doubt on McCain’s Presidential Eligibility
Bill only stays with Hillary because he's sorry for her. He'd break up with her but the last time he tried to she said she'd take sleeping pills. I was sitting behind her in English class and I'm sure I saw lice in her hair.
-Nash
(Crawfordlist Student Council President.)
well, all. I have to admit - I really hate working. Thanks for the comments, and UB, for the record, I think anyone can handle being here however they want. I certainly wasn't trying to silence anyone, although I'd like to read less of some of the BS and more of the other, but that's me.
Guns, nash? I've had them on and off since I was a kid (even shot a few varmints, but nothing larger than a squirrell, and I inherited a small arsenal from my father the collector - (pistols from a derringer to a '45, rifles from a bb gun -not really a rifle - to a 30.06, and shotguns from a .410 tot 12 guage) - they are in a safe in my bro-in-law's basement. I guess if I was threatened I could drive the 10 hours it takes to get there, find my BIL, figure out which one I wanted to retrieve, find some ammo, drive back the 10 hours it takes to get home, and hope the sumbitch was still there.
Obama’s Obscene Gesture Is a Top Story at Fox News
"Just when you thought the Democratic race couldn’t get uglier, Barack Obama is being accused of giving Hillary Clinton the finger at a town hall meeting in North Carolina. …
“And I’d say Senator Clinton looked in her element,” he said. He paused. Then he raised his right hand and scratched his cheek with his middle finger. He smiled slightly, and the crowd cheered."
Sheila: McCain could have been President, if we still controlled the Canal Zone. But since we gave it back to Panama, the "Zone" is now a foreign country, so McCain is not eligible to be President.
Someone should tell Keith Olbermann and Jon Stewart about this!
All you HS popular kids burn out and get old too fast for me. Besides, Cliques are so boring.
Not giving up but semi resigned to an Obama nomination. If it happens, it happens. If nothing else, I'll get to relax and do nothing but enjoy myself from Denver to November. There's a lot to be said for being totally uninvolved.
Why wouldn't you be smirking during a debate with Hillary Clinton? Especially if you are thinking about the following:
1. I am in my first term as a US Senator and I am leading in the delegate count against the wife of the most popular Democratic president in the last 40 years.
2. I went from getting out raised 10 to 1 to now outraising you by a 2 to 1 margin.
3. People don't actually hate me the way they hate you. Republicans can just drop my name in a mailer and raise $20 Million in a day like they can with you.
4. Win or lose I proved I was better than you at running a campaign.
5. I could score more chicks than Bill...heck...look at how Chelsea is looking at me...
What I amazed at the most is that Clinton supporters will look to blame her bad campaign on everything else...Obama lies, the media bias etc. and not just declare that she ran a horrible campaign. Hillary would win this race today if she just took a very large slice of humble pie. She refuses to do so. As such, she will join the likes of George H.W. Bush, Gov. Ed Diprete, Mike Dukakis and countless others who squandered what were once considered insurmountable leads and lost elections.
For the record, Bush and Diprete are the only candidates I am aware of who went from 90% approval ratings to less than 50% within the same year.
Craig Crawford..always enjoy your take on the issues..have you seen the MSNBC message board? you are on it..A Post "Where in the heck is Craig Crawford?...lot of positive comments..you need your own show and replace Matthews and Olbermann..take this to MSNBC...
1. I am in my first term as a US Senator and I am leading in the delegate count against the wife of the most popular Democratic president in the last 40 years.
Even though I'm totally unqualified for the job, my opponents lousy campaign, media bias, and public gullibility could elect me.
2. I went from getting out raised 10 to 1 to now outraising you by a 2 to 1 margin.
Congratulations. Good bragging rights for Axelrod and company for hiring someone who really understood the web.
3. People don't actually hate me the way they hate you. Republicans can just drop my name in a mailer and raise $20 Million in a day like they can with you.
Give people time. The Republicans will help them learn just like they did the Clintons.
4. Win or lose I proved I was better than you at running a campaign.
No contest. You had a lot of help, but you did.
5. I could score more chicks than Bill...heck...look at how Chelsea is looking at me...
Maybe. You are a good looking man. Of course, Michelle will be convicted of assassinating the President.
"As Wednesday's awful debate proves, it won't matter who the presidential nominee is -- the press will play footsie with McCain and attack the Democrat.
Playing gotcha with Democrats and patty-cake with Republicans will remain basic operating procedure for the mainstream media this year, no different from the past half-dozen presidential campaigns -- except that the additional bias in favor of John McCain may make a bad situation worse.
And as Barack Obama should have learned during the debate’s first 45 minutes, if not before, the same fuzzy but obsessive focus on "character" that plagues Bill and Hillary Clinton will be turned on him with equal or greater ferocity by those who once claimed to admire him. He is now subject to the "Clinton rules," which have long permitted pundits, editorialists and reporters to indict the former president and first lady for sins that other politicians, mostly Republican, may commit with impunity..."
I always thought that "natural born citizen" clause was the Founding Fathers' preemptive strike against stem cell research, or at least "test tube" babies.
April 18, 2008
Gallup Daily: Clinton Moves Within 3 Points of ObamaThursday night interviewing suggests Obama may have been hurt by debate
NJ -- Gallup Poll Daily tracking shows a tightening of the national Democratic race, with Barack Obama now holding just a 3-percentage point advantage over Hillary Clinton, 47% to 44%.
The ABC moderators are no worse than other networks. Blaming the media for a poor performance
kind of hypocritical in light of past comments about Senator Clinton.
Reich is an exceptionally bright individual and a true public servant. Of all the people that have lent their celebratory to Mr Obama, Reich's is the most meaningful.
His endorsement must be put in context with his other current blog writings. Taking it isolation of those writings will give people less than a total appreciation of the thought processes that led him to make it.
Despite the endorsement I fully expect that he will be offered a truly meaningful position in the Clinton Administration.
I agree that the Reich endorsement could hurt Sen. Clinton. It is naturaly for him as he always was much farther left politically than the Clinton. He is still a great addition to any administration no matter which of the candidates win.
"How many people who are not obsessed with politics even know Robert Reich?"
It's not that he's well known, but it's that he's referred to in the news as the sixth former and latest Bill Clinton cabinet member to endorse Obama. That's what looks and sounds bad for HRC
SDs are not fooled by this - it is a PR stunt because Obama cannot close the deal. SDs know Reich hates the Clintons. It was reported earlier today that Reich is coming out for Obama because of the Hillary's "Bitter" Ad in PA. Sure! Reich is a liar if he really said that - he has been sticking the "knife" in the Clintons for years and enjoying it every time.
Reich isn't the sticking a knife in type. He has definite political disagreements with them. The Clintons are basically moderates. Reich is far left. He also wasn't pleased with the whole impeachment scenario. Even if it was for the most part trumped up by the Republicans, it was still Bill's shnanigans that made it possible, and Reich can be a bit priggish at times about such things.
"Political" people (like those posting here) know Reich - most people would not have a clue. Ever hear the results from one of those basic knowledge tests?
Leno gets a lot of laughs out of Jay Walking. The general stupidity of the American public about a whole host of things never ceases to stun me, but I assume that the ones who were alive in the 90s with an IQ above a turtle at least recognized the name Robert Reich if not why they knew it.
Reich may not be as well known for regular people but he's known by the party elders. He is very well respected as a fair minded and above board Democrat. He's also an important mind for Democratic Economics.
Whoever wins the Nomination; expect Reich to be in either adminstration.
Fox News reported the reason for the endorsement. I've seen Reich shove in the knife and give it a twist. He does not do it every time, but often enough.
Exclusive Poll: Obama Loses Popularity With Pa. Men
Barack Obama lost ground among certain groups of voters in the battleground state of Pennsylvania during the last week, according to a new poll.
If the Democratic Primary were held in Pennsylvania Tuesday, Hillary Clinton would beat Obama by 18 percentage points, according to the results of a SurveyUSA poll conducted exclusively for NBC 10 and three other TV stations across the Keystone State. http://www.nbc10.com/politics/15821754/detail.html
I enjoyed your responses. It has created a chicken v egg situation.
Does Clinton and by extension and her supporters hate Obama because he is just a better candidate or because he is an inferior candidate just running a better campaign.
Either way, I can understand your frustration. Nothing is worse than when your team just comes out and lays a stinker on the biggest stage...see the last super bowl to feel my pain.
A couple of locals took me to do my first skeet shots today...firing a shot gun is better than quality porn...it is such a rush. I am now on my way to becoming the most liberal member of the NRA.
Horsedooty, did you get any damage from yesterdays hail? It stripped the paint off our garage last night...lol
Mark Penn did enormous damage to Hillary Clinton. This is a "change" election and he had her run an "old Pol" campaign despite advice from others who said that being a kind, thoughtfulintelligent female, with a good senate record and a lot of politicalknowledge and history was "change" enough. She didn't need to come across as a fierce Valkyrie screaming out speeches.
Since he left and her image has softened while her speeches become conversational, it is really helping. The big question is, "Is it too late?". Unfortunately, the Dems should have given us "The Dream Team" and an almost sure 12 - 16 year lock on the White House.
As it is with Obama, if he is the candidate and if he wins we will be lucky to get four.
Gordo, relax dude. First you aren't going to convince the faithful. They see what they want to see. There is a lot of bitterness left from the Clinton days when he excluded the Far Left and worked out Bills with the Republicans. The nerve of him to break Saddam's army with Desert Fox...LOL or reform welfare. Obama's not talking moving to the center, he's talking pushing forward his agenda like "breaking down the doors of segregation". He is our new half-black hope. Out adversaries abroad will likely embrace his election as they embrace Carter visit to Hamas...
By the time Americans really wake up, Obama might already be in the White House. The best we can do is to keep drawing the line between NeoLiberal and New Democrat. If Obama winds up the nomination, I suspect that by November, enough moderates will see through the charade and vote for McCain, If Obama wins anyway, expect his term to be quite memorable for all the reasons you and I have been stating. As he continues his typical mistakes and arrogance coupled with Pelosi and Reid, America will unfortunately be ready for a Reagan-type to emerge.
I suspect there is a significant undercurrent growing that the polls do not read. They have been monsterously wrong before. I would be quite surprised if Florida votes for Obama, or even Ohio. Against the backdrop of Obama's shiney new centrist ads will be the growing litany of garbage, associations and stuttering comments. Sad, I had originally hoped Obama was some kind of Black RFK. I sense a plastic hanger holding up and empty suit in a closet with others that belong to some unsavory types. I find the message quite phony. But then, that's just my take.
Republicans had some problems with Bill. Obama's threads will bring out quite a backlash and he isn't half the orator that Bill is when stumping as the Great Leader. But don't freak out Gordo, we have a penchant for self-inflicted wounds. We like learning the hard way....
Off Topic....whatever the topic was...one of our favorite Former REPS is getting married. ;0) I had no idea.
Overview
The fashion world is talking about Emily Threlkeld's pending marriage to Harold Ford Jr. Emily Threlkeld works for the fashion designer Carolina Herrera. Her engagement announcement made blogging headlines after it ran in the New York Post.
I guess the topic of gun control didn't get much traction today.
Everyone wants to be able to get one, but don't let the bad guys get any.....if you can buy anything you want in this country, the criminals and others will also find a way to get what they want.
I say make the laws tougher so the penalty isn't worth using that weapon.
I guess the topic of gun control didn't get much traction today.
Everyone wants to be able to get a gun, but don't let the bad guys get any.....if you can buy anything you want in this country, the criminals and others will also find a way to get what they want.
I say make the laws tougher so the penalty isn't worth using that weapon.
It is the difference between Survey USA being on the top of the report and Survey USA being in the fine print. It's not "exactly" dishonest, but a survey can give a client any result they want, leaning wherever you want it favored.
It's like the song from 1776 when Richard Henry Lee explained favortism to John Adams:
They say that God in heaven is everybody's God
I'll admit that God in heaven is everybody's God
But I tell you, John, with pride, God leans
A little on the side of the Lees, the Lees of old Virgina!
"Two more superdelegates — Clinton-supporting former New Jersey Govs. Florio and Byrne — are added to the New York Senator’s tally after being chosen Thursday as the Garden State’s add-on superdels.
Earlier: Ohio Rep. Betty Sutton — also a superdelegate — announces she’s backing Clinton to follow the will of her constituents.
In most states using a gun in the comission of a crime already does get you a stiffer sentence. Police are already being outgunned by the bad guys and the explosion of drug use has led to an explosion of gun possession. It's strange to think of the "good ol' Days" as being when gang members killed each other with knives.
Jamie said:at 7:52". . It's not "exactly" dishonest, but a survey can give a client any result they want, leaning wherever you want it favored."
I can imagine the contract:
Now therefore it is agreed that the Downs Center will pay to SUSA, ____ thousand dollars for a survey that will show B Obama is favored by voters in the IN dem primary by at least 5% points.
Makes sense to me.:)
The problem here is that the gangs are disorganized, and not main stream, meaning there are way too many and they do not have any code of conduct what so ever.
It's like taking a bunch of angry young people with guns and spinning them around until they have no idea where they are, then letting them loose to claim their corner.
The last report I read said there were 90+ gangs in this town.
I am not sure Sturge.
My life is all screwed up, my mother raised me not believing in a place called Hell.....so I have not worried all these years. Now to find out heaven has levels....I am floored.
"The Warriors" ........great nyc gang movie......based on the Anabasis of Xenophon about the Ten Thousand cast adrift in deepest Persia........
That's all I know about gangs.
It's not "quite" that blatant, but a great deal of ... leading ... can be done with the way a question is framed or the order in which it is asked.
Campaigns have polls that the public never sees that often tell them things they definitely don't want the public to know. It would be really really interesting to get a peak at what the Clinton and Obama folks are viewing.
Well, it seems as if there may be some real journalists
left in the msm. Harris & vandehei at politico have
taken it upon themselves to take their brethren to task
for their fawning over Obama--especially the manner
in which the media has come to the defense of obama
since the abc debate.
We were on the west side eating at the Wan Fu Chinese restaurant when the storm hit. Lots of dime size hail wind and very large rain drops. We finished eating and were allowed to stay for a bit by the owners and when we left it had quit hailing but the rain was still coming down quite heavily. Driving down Camp Bowie was weird but nothing happened. On I 30 heading east, no one was on the highway. Sorta spooky. Made it home and the power was still on and it rained for another hour or so. We did not have much of the wind and not too much of the hail. So, we made out pretty good really. We did not have any damage.
senor pescado said, "I hope the highest levels of heaven aren't filled with the same people the highest levels of society, academia, and government are......"
I don't think I will ever find out who is at the highest levels Mr Pescado. You reckon you will? :)
I had this fantasy today where if I had the production power, I would sit where they couldn't see me behind every on air personality on MSNBC and quietly raise my hand every time they used a slanted statement or weighted adjective that favored Obama over Clinton ... and then they would be forced to sit down and view themselves and my raised hand while I commented just before handing them their pink slips for being totally incompetent news people.
I don't mind fair negative coverage but what has been done in this campaign is absolutely criminal.
Well we better have some one watching the vote in Pennsylvania next week.
Two counties are using the Sequoia AVC Advantage touchscreen voting machines.
They had a ton of problems with them in New Jersey and we know how easy it is to hack them.
"Here's the big question: When the integrity of the vote is at stake, shouldn't voting machine malfunctions in one state be brought to the attention of another state that uses the same machines?"
If the exit polls are way off in the two counties using these than I don' t think that I'll believe the tallied votes are accurate.
I don't know where these counties lie or him they would favor and I really don' t care. All I care about is election results that are accurate and not the result of fraud.
Eartquake this morning sounded like sleet hitting the side of my bedroom or a thousand mice crawling in the walls.Had no idea it had been an earthquake until I heard it on the news.We live in northern part of state.Our bed didn't shake like some people claimed.
I agree with the other Clinton supporters.I could never vote for Obama because of his arrogance and disrespect for the Clinton Presidency which gave us good times and a budget surplus.I am a conservative Democrat and Obama is far too liberal for me.I will write in Clinton's name because I can't vote for McCain either but McCain is moderate so I could live with him as president.I still will get a bumper sticker saying don't blame me I voted for Hillary.
But I still think she can win! There was an actor on the View this morning who played Thurgood Marshall and I didn't hear the question he was asked but his answer was she is the smartest woman on earth.Was he talking about Hillary.Did anyone see it.
This great thing about a Larry King interview is that he is "wise" enough to see through the bull sh@t, I think it will be a great interview. They both are seasoned and respectful.
Remember that even a moderate like McCain will be beholden to the conservative wing of the republican party to appoint more conservatives to the supreme court and {Poof} there goes a woman's right to choose.
So we have a Republican who wants to keep us in Iraq for a hundred years.
A Democrat who says we will use Nuclear Weapons if any country {not just Iran} if they wage war against any Middle East country { or Israel} establishing a Imperial Colony and possibly taking us into a Nuclear World War.
Then we have another Democrat who wants to use Diplomatic means to keep us out of Wars {Especially Nuclear Wars}.
So which one sounds more sane?
Do you want to be in Iraq for a hundred years?
Do you want an Imperial Presidency with a Middle East Colony?
Of do you want to restore Our Honor, Integrity, Constitution and Moral Compass that Our Forefathers left for us as well as Respect around the World?
Who you decide to vote for will answer those questions and will determine what becomes of the America we were born into that is now dead.
McCain who has always been a moderate and a maverick faced with an overwhelmingly Democratic Congress and the probability of only serving one term, just might surprise both you and his party by telling his right wing that he has to work with Congress and they can take a hike.
Thanks Gordo
I went to site and asked them will have to wait for reply.I am amazed at how many of you can refer the rest of us to sites to get information so Quickly.
Ruth
Gotta stick with my lady. I don't want McCain, but if I get stuck with him, I want him facing a veto proof Congress. At the rate Republicans are retiring, that shouldn't be difficult.
Most of us have be googling for ages. Once you get the hang of it, pulling up references are fairly easy. A lot of us have political sites in favorites, so that is easy to find.
It's like getting to Carnegie Hall ... practice, practice, practice.
Nun
Lol The only way I can continue reading posts Is to post again because I am blocked out after I post.So I just hit any letter and walla the blog continues.If I sign in at say 5:00 then I van not read any posts after that time unless I post so I just type a letter and it brings me up to present time.
Ruth
I also feel McCain will not toe the party line because the Repubs have turned their backs on him.So he does not owe the far right anything.And he will need Dems to get elected.He has the turncoat Leiberman at his side who doesn't owe dems anything either so maybe the two of them could work well with the middle.
I don't think anything will change with Roe because he will need dems to confirm any new judge and it would be very hard to get an extremist in.In 4 yrs dems will have another chance to get whitehouse.
I want our troops home too and I don't believe McCain wants more of our men and women killed or injured.No matter who gets in we are not going to be able to pull out very easily.Both dems know this too but have to pander to get elected.Bush and Cheney have created a no win situation and it would be irresponsible to just go home after we destroyed the country and disbanded the army.I think Hillary and McCain will try diplomacy.I don't think Obama knows what he would do.
Sen McCain understands the military.
Sen Clinton has made great strides in understanding the military.
Sen Obama, from his statements, show little understanding of the military.
Glad you made it home okay...is Wan Fu in the plaza that has CVS & Ross? How is their food. I still can't find good chinese in this area.
I notice that Harold Ford is engaged to a white woman and he has angered black women by not choosing one of them...God fucking help you if you are a black man and you don't want to marry a black woman. All of a sudden you are a sell out. At what point will women realize that you marry the woman that falls in love with you? I don't know how many times I have had "sistas" turn up their noses because I spoke to them in complete sentences, wore my baseball cap correctly and chose to wear clothes without the tags hanging off them... Halle Berry gets knocked up by a white guy and they don't seem to have a problem with that...
I have a couple of friends who were in Iraq multiple terms and they refuse to vote for McCain because he has constantly voted against bills that would have provided financing for things soldiers in the field need. Mind you these soldiers were all for going when the war started.
Also don't underestimate the fact that soldiers tend to look down on pilots. They never liked the fact that pilots were the glory boys while they could kill miles away from the point of attack. They will tell you it's a big difference pulling the trigger when the enemy is in your rifle site instead of a heads up display at 30,000 feet
I have nothing but respect for you. And if your insiders want Obama that's okay. I only have access to a small sampling.
I am more envious of your shooting experience - and never mind the cooking, you could lift my husband in a second and I would be left here on the blog.
Bear : you make very solid points, it is all very complicated
Within my extended family, anyone who happens to be married or in a committed relationship happens to be in an interracial one. It's the norm for me. It was never pushed on any of us but that just seemed to be a by products of living the suburban life.
I am so sick of the complaint that " you ain't black if you ain't from the hood crap".
It's actually a reason I would like to see a debate focus on affirmative action because I tend to agree with the Obama assessment that any provisions should be based on economic and not racial status...
A Military is for Defense only. Today the Military in and of itself is for one thing and only one thing.
WAR!!! DEATH!!! DESTRUCTION!!!
There have been many great Army's and the Nations they belong to eventually ended up destroying themselves. Think Rome.
When your biggest budget item is the Military, its weapons and cost to occupy Nations you have conquered eventually you can no longer support your own citizens and your government will collapse.
Russia was humbled in Afghanistan and brought to its knees by the cost in lives and treasure. How much longer do you believe we can continue down this path before we end up a third world country?
That is if we don't start a Nuclear War.
Pakistan, Afghanistan, China and Russia all have Nuclear Bombs. Between China, Russia and us there are enough bombs to destroy the World. Is that what you want?
If it is than I say go ahead and vote for McCain or Hillary, but don't be or act surprised if it happens, War that is.
Wan Fu is in the shopping center that is just east of the big MacDonalds on Camp Bowie and is next to a 99 cent store I always turn south at Hilldale and go in the parking lot as soon as I am able. The rest is at the west end of the shopping center. I like it and of the Chinese places I go to I like Wan Fu the best. I really like the Egg Drop soup. Has a nice thick consistency. Pretty generous servings also and the food is served hot which I like. I like the Pepper Steak and Onion meal. I usually take some home. Only gripe is you have to order the egg roll separately. Sometimes I forget. I think it has a nice atmosphere. It is sorta fancy at night with cloth napkins. Actual Chinese folks run the place. My big joke is when the wife introduced me to the place I said Wan Fu over the Coocoos Nest. Pretty lame, I know. 411.com says the address is 6399 Camp Bowie. Try it you might like it. It has been so long since I ate Chinese on the east coast I really can't compare anymore. When I was at Mass Art in Boston we used to go to China Town to eat cause we could eat really cheap. This is not that way. I think our bill for the wife and I the other night was about 9 dollars a piece. so we spent just under 25 with a nice tip.
and he will not win those red caucus states he won in primary.So don't blame Hillary supporters when Obama loses
Posted by: painter | April 18, 2008 11:09 PM
the beauty of politics and a presidential campaign is you just don't know what will happen.
Especially THIS Presidential Race...its just not going the way any of the old war horses have tried to predict, based on 60 years old trend. ;0)
The next generation of voters are going to show us how the political map will be drawn. Certainly Not what we are used to.
And if I might add. Back in the late 60's and early 70's, there was not way of understanding that the Republican Map would be redrawn in the south. The "DixieCrats" were not expecting it.
So Ruth, never say these states won't go blue. because with the state of the minds and emotions of our people, we just don't know what will happen until it happens. Not a poll alive can predict right now, Right?
You know me. Having faith in the American People can never be misplaced. We may get it wrong once or twice, but never three times in a row. We are all about correcting our course!
Bear
Your comment earlier about being a liberal NRA member reminds me of one of my sisters.
She always said, I'm Rush Limbaugh's worsed nightmare, a feminist armed with a loaded AK47.
if you think shooting big guns is fun, you ought to try blowing things up with dynamite. Lots of fun, as long as you remember anything blown up into the air will come down. Murphy tells us the odds are that it will come down on your head.
Which reminds me of a story,. but that will have to wait for a time when we meet in person. It is too long for here.
Jack
Der Fuhrer Bush bought property there and I always believed that when the World liberates us that Bush would go to Paraguay like Hitlers Nazi's did.
They have no extradition treaty with us IIRC and he probably believes he's be safe there. However like the other Nazi's who hide out there found out that no matter where they tried to hide out the Nazi Hunters tracked them down and brought them to the Hague to stand trial for their War Crimes.
A new political party could open it up for someone to render Bush and\or others who move there more likely to being caught.
senor pescado said, "I hope the highest levels of heaven aren't filled with the same people the highest levels of society, academia, and government are......"
I don't think I will ever find out who is at the highest levels Mr Pescado. You reckon you will? :)
yo soy Horsedooty!
Sr Caballo.......well, now you mention it, I suppose I'm just hoping for an apartment on the outskirts of town.....
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Craig
I thought that they were both remarkably nonresonsive given that in all likelyhood the SCOTUS is going to rule 5 to 4 that the Washington DC guns laws are unconstituational. This is going to lead to immediate challenges by the NRA to two other cities HIGHLY restrictive guns laws...Chicago and New York City. That would have been my question if I was George or Charlie....where will they stand on those two cities being overturned?
~Gidget
Posted by: Gidget
| April 18, 2008 6:27 AM
5.4 earthquake in illinois this morning....? Guess Michelle is waking up angry again.
Posted by: econsmed
| April 18, 2008 6:34 AM
Sen. Clinton even looks a bit like Annie
http://www.discoveroakley.com/ApplicationData/6/Pix/Fick%20Museum/Annie%20Oakley.jpg
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 6:45 AM
Javaholic
"Why doesn't somebody bring up White Water and Hillary's not so stellar Health Care Program when she was in the White House"
I suppose because they have been digging up that dead horse and beating it to death one more time for years. Did you have a specific unanswered question or just getting in another blow?
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 6:51 AM
Jamie
Good pic....although I think HRC looks more like Mary Martin as Annie....
I think she should immediately change her theme music to "Anything You Can Do, I Can Do Better"
~Gidget
Posted by: Gidget
| April 18, 2008 6:56 AM
That was Obama shooting himself in the foot. Obama’s smirking put down of Hillary by attempting to use Annie Oakley as his tool, is just a glaring reminder that misogyny runs deep in this system and that it is acceptable. He often smirks in a condescending way and uses a “personal put down” when he really can’t intelligently respond to Hillary. This kind of a response reminds thinking women that he is one of the guys and he is a guy’s guy. Not all women believe that he thinks in a positive way about women’s rights or that he even “gets it”. Hillary may be a better shot than he and the male press can envision.
Posted by: AmazonTraveler
| April 18, 2008 7:02 AM
To Amazon-
Great post! You've articulated my feelings in a way that I could not have.
Off topic--Does anyone here care to comment on Joe Scarborough walking off David Gregory's show last night? I hope this doesn't get him fired. He's one of the very few on TV that dares to point out BHO's weaknesses.
Posted by: ubns
| April 18, 2008 7:10 AM
Cant watch that pin head, so I'm not really concerned about his job security........
good to see the Bolo Pundit re-surface........lol
Posted by: sturgeone | April 18, 2008 7:33 AM
Let's not talk about guns. Let's talk about something IMPORTANT, like flag pins. I think everyone should be required by law to wear one, even at the beach. (Ouch).
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 7:44 AM
good morning gang.....
Craig..... nice tie!
Bowmanc.. my friends and I did go to Parker's Maple barn..... best maple syrup in the universe, IMNSHO.....
I'll bow out of the gun fight..... I mean discussion...... think I've already seen it about a gazillion times on Clist in the last 3 years..... although it hasn't come up recently....
beautiful day up here..... think I'll go out and finally start cleaning up the gardens....
now for my political statement of the day.....
Clinton..... yes
Obama.....yes
McCain....no
Posted by: RebelliousRenee
| April 18, 2008 7:51 AM
Gidget
A few days ago when it all came up, I posted that song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stF2mXucm_w
Of course if the numbers don't get better fast, she might be thinking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrdhjkfD2ww
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 7:52 AM
my vote in Reb Ren's poll:
Hillary.....yes
Barack....yes
McCain.....Hell No.
Posted by: sturgeone | April 18, 2008 7:58 AM
If Hillary had been packing a gun when she was under sniper attack in Bosnia, she could have returned fire.
-The NRA (now advocating the right to bear arms, even in situations that never occurred.)
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 8:05 AM
Didn't watch Gregory. I've been off MSNBC except for Joe (when I can stand Mika) since they sold their soul to Obama. What happened?
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 8:06 AM
Happy Friday!
Barack Hussien Obama has mastered the art of snide remarks.
Every time I think I can possibly vote for him, he opens his mouth, and reminds me why I can't.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 8:14 AM
Jamie-
http://insidecablenews.wordpress.com/
Third item down.
Here's the link I've found for the Scarborough dust up..
interesting it was with Rachel Maddow.
I've been taking a break from all things political too...a week in the Napa Valley...I didn't want to undo all the spa treatments and the good wine glows. : )
~Gidget
Posted by: Gidget
| April 18, 2008 8:16 AM
Jamie, Gregory was magnificent!
Posted by: Flatus
| April 18, 2008 8:17 AM
Bear, after reading your comment from last night (linked below) which was posted well after Stinky's and my bedtime, you and I agree on many levels. (But, accept black or white tie) I' wouldn't be caught dead in a bow tie.)
Not to dwell on the scatological, I liked your comment about the feces.
Back when I first joined the Army people would sometimes say, when a conversation turned particularly ugly, "Man, did he sxxx in his mess kit."
Of course, the feces tended to spray on anyone within earshot. Happens a lot around here. And it takes a long time to get rid of the stink.
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/04/obama-pressured-to-debate-agai.html#comment-69425
Posted by: Flatus
| April 18, 2008 8:34 AM
Craig, and most Crawfordslisters, love Imus, for his always eloquent contribution to political discourse...
From HuffingtonPost.com..
During the April 17 edition of Imus in the Morning, host Don Imus asserted that Sen. Barack Obama is "almost a bigger pussy than" Sen. Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 8:38 AM
The Bolo Pundit reappears. Best footage yet of the CBob scorpion bolo tie.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 18, 2008 8:46 AM
Imus said:
"I thought Senator Obama was on the defensive most of the night. But they're both sissy boys or sissy girls, or whatever. Because they talk big when they're out on the campaign trail, wolfing on each other." News anchor Charles McCord interjected, "But then," and Imus continued: "And then when they show up at the debate, they fold up like a couple of cheap lawn chairs. I mean, I don't understand that. And he's almost a bigger pussy that she is."
( I think it's "woofing" not "wolfing" )
Posted by: sturgeone | April 18, 2008 8:50 AM
Obamaniacs will love their favorite candidates latest round of new politics...enjoy this video of O' giving Hillary the finger yesterday...nice job O' - Is that "new politics" or "chicago style politics"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DygBj4Zw6No
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 18, 2008 8:58 AM
and in case it moves to fast on video for some...here is a nice screen capture at slightly different angle showing it in all it's glory.
Enjoy Obamaniacs
http://s110.photobucket.com/albums/n84/SusanUnPC/?action=view¤t=obamaflip2.jpg
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 18, 2008 9:00 AM
There is no doubt in my mind he flipped her off. That move is totally part of the vernacular. I know this because I do it to my husband daily as we sit next to each other, working on these computers about 12 hours a day and he makes me cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. The only thing that would have been MORE obvious would be if he had done it while pushing his sunglasses up on his nose.
Posted by: Ally
| April 18, 2008 9:07 AM
"( I think it's "woofing" not "wolfing" )"
Depends on whether the dog was dining or barking. :-)
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 9:07 AM
www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/04/17/politics/fromtheroad/entry4025048.shtml
@39 seconds Obama intentionally makes a hand gesture to his face and the crowd roars.
Wow, Obama must be really pissed at his poor debate reviews.
He knows he's on camera right????
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 9:08 AM
Very true Ally,
That's a nice way to put I was going to use another word, but I didn't want to offend.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 9:10 AM
He followed that up with the hip hop Jay Z "brush off". Add that to the music intro he used about "99 problems but a b**** aint one of them" ... This guy has a very mean, snarky, thin skinned side that has no business in the WH
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 9:11 AM
Jamie,
I totally agree with you. I can not give him my vote, because I just can't be a part of putting him in the Presidency.
Can't do it and won't do it.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 9:16 AM
burrito:
this household too...we decided for many reasons to go another way if he's the nominee...we are no longer wavering on the issue.
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 18, 2008 9:20 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/04/17/politics/fromtheroad/entry4025048.shtml
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 9:21 AM
Burritto,
Helpful hint. When you put in a link, put in at least one or two returns under it. Otherwise, it gets lost under the slider bar.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 9:25 AM
Jamie: I know about the "99 problems" but what is the "brush off" thing?
Posted by: Ally
| April 18, 2008 9:26 AM
I think that a people should really value their vote, and never vote for someone because it is their only choice.
I voted, and if my candidate doesn't get the nomination, I don't just automatically think, "oh well, I'll just vote for the guy I didn't want in the first place."
That makes little sense to me.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 9:27 AM
Ah, the Hillary people are happy today. They loved watching Stephanopoulos (Bill's blowjob spinner) lob swiftboat questions at Obama.
But Hillary is still LOSING, and can't win unless she cons the super-Ds into stealing the nomination for her. Unfortunately, they are more afraid of the voters than they are of the Clinton machine.
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 9:27 AM
More news from Springsteen-land, this time sad:
Danny Federici, Bruce Springsteen's longtime keyboardist/original member of E Street Band, has died of cancer at 58.
LATimes obit:
http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-mew-federici18apr18,0,2569964.story
More info from NYTimes AP obit:
Mr. Federici, who was born in Flemington, N.J., met Mr. Springsteen in the 1960s. By 1969, Mr. Federici — often introduced in concert by Mr. Springsteen as “Phantom Dan” — was playing with Mr. Springsteen in a band called Child. Over the years, Mr. Federici joined his friend in the acclaimed Jersey Shore bands Steel Mill, Dr. Zoom and the Sonic Boom and the Bruce Springsteen Band.
Mr. Federici later became a stalwart in the E Street Band.
“Danny and I worked together for 40 years,” Mr. Springsteen said on Thursday. “He was the most wonderfully fluid keyboard player and a pure, natural musician. I loved him very much. We grew up together.”
Mr. Federici played accordion on the wistful “4th of July, Asbury Park (Sandy)” from Mr. Springsteen’s second album, and his organ solo was a highlight of Mr. Springsteen’s first top 10 hit, “Hungry Heart.” His organ coda on the 9/11-inspired Springsteen song “You’re Missing” provided one of the more heart-wrenching moments on the album “The Rising” in 2002.
Mr. Federici released a pair of solo albums that veered from the E Street sound and into soft jazz.
Besides his work with Mr. Springsteen, Mr. Federici played on albums by artists including bandmate Steven Van Zandt as well as Joan Armatrading and Graham Parker.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 18, 2008 9:29 AM
Has anyone noticed that Hillary is beginning to sound more and more like Ann Coulter?
Once this is all over, maybe they could co-host a show on Fox.
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 9:30 AM
Hillary rocks!
Even if she doesn't win this primary, she still is the better candidate and politician.
As I have said before, she has political capital and she intends nurture it and keep it. Like it or not- Hillary's political clout is increasing.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 9:35 AM
Barack Obama makes a one-fingered gesture while speaking of Hillary Clinton
"This is one of those political moments that really needs few words.
He's talking critically about his opponent, Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York, and the kind of distasteful gotcha politics that occur in Washington. And he says, "That's all right. Sen. Clinton looked in her element.
Watch the video right then. The presidential candidate raises his right hand to seemingly scratch his cheek.
He doesn't use his whole hand though. Just one finger. Briefly. A couple of strokes.
He pauses. He smiles slyly as the crowd begins to mumble and then he tries, somewhat distracted, to continue his remarks, smiling as the buzz spreads through the crowd.
He'll no doubt deny it later, but that mischievous smile seems to confirm plenty. And the crowd sure sees something."
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/04/obamaflipsoffcl.html
Posted by: GORDO | April 18, 2008 9:37 AM
mornin, all.
Well, once again, I'll be scarce here today - have to catch up after too much computer training (note to self, don't replace all the systems at once - chaos is inevitable). Plus, have to take Lil Pogo to the state AAU basketball tourney - his team starts play tonight.
I read over the posts from yesterday and last night - looks like more of the same. This is tiresome, and FWIW this place has largely become polarized, no real discussion of even the issues posted by Craig occurs, the discussion is driven by those who are blindly shooting from the hip at the other camp and spendng their time and wasting the time of the others here by backing up their opinions with nothing more than their opinions. Snark has become the language of choice. People who back up their opinions with links to articles with facts that support their opinions are ridiculed, and frankly, it's boring and too tiresome to spend much time with. And I have bought into this. In other words, this has become just another blog.
The low level of discourse (not to mention discord) has driven some very fine people away, some of whom have been reading and posting at Craigs sites since the beginning of Crawfordslist. And while there are some very fine people who have persisted, and will continue to do so I hope, I expect others will leave, or limit their time here. I expect some continue to read Craig's fine posts - he is after all one of the few nonaligned honest brokers in the punditocracy - and may even read some of the comments. But life's just too short to read utter bullshit a good part of the day, and there's just too much of it here.
I hope the level of discussion here rises - there's hope it can, and occasionally it does. Lately it hasn't. If it weren't for old friends, and some new ones, and you know who you are, I wouldn't stick around at all.
Enough pontificating. I've got work to do.
Posted by: pogo
| April 18, 2008 9:37 AM
Well no matter how much I want Hillary to win, I am definitely sticking with the DEMS in the Autumn elections. The NUTELLA JAR isn't running, so if it's Obama (which it probably is) he'll have my vote. Who knows, maybe he will develop a bit of humility and less arrogance and I might even start to like him.
Posted by: EuroTom
| April 18, 2008 9:39 AM
The crowd reacted to the line. Same way they did when he used the same line at another stump speech when he did not scratch his face.
Posted by: warren
| April 18, 2008 9:40 AM
LATimes story: Obama and the former radicals
subhead: Evidence linking him to the ex-leaders of the Weather Underground is thin. But a YouTube video is making noise.
a gift from story to Jamie and Wendy! and others:
"Adolph Reed Jr., a political scientist at the University of Pennsylvania, knows both Ayers and Obama from his days in Chicago. He plans to vote for Clinton in Pennsylvania's primary Tuesday. But he called the Ayers-Obama link a "bogus story."
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 18, 2008 9:41 AM
I saw Bloomberg with Arnie on Charlies Rose. They were talking about how Governors were joining together to deal with problems - such as global warming - because Washington has failed to address them.
Washington has failed not because there are not good leaders and good ideas on the Hill - but because they are too consumed with partisan nonsense to get anything done.
Posted by: warren
| April 18, 2008 9:43 AM
All joking aside, all this talk of guns has got to be making all of the candidates nervous, given our history of political assassinations, actual or attempted: JFK, RFK, Wallace, Ford, Reagan.
There are so many nuts out there and it is SO easy to get a gun.
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 9:43 AM
ET: I agree with you. The last 7 years have taught us that a man without humility, accountability or the ability to admit mistakes is a lousy way to lead a country. I believe that if Obama could just turn up the humilimeter a titch, it would go a long way to getting the support of the demographics he lacks. Of course, the Obama supporters will tell you that we will all fall in line after the nomination process is complete: No problemo—we'll Hope for the best.
Posted by: Ally
| April 18, 2008 9:45 AM
Forgot to post the LATimes link re Obama-Ayers story:
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-radicals18apr18,0,131233.story
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 18, 2008 9:46 AM
I for one will not vote BO in the fall, if he is the eventual nominee.
I will not vote John either. I will not vote at all.
Under normal circumstances I would vote BO, but this whole primary was a big laugh, and has been below the belt.... He is not worth my vote. Sorry
So either HRC pulls this one to her or I do not vote in the fall...
Posted by: Jason | April 18, 2008 9:47 AM
Like Bill Clinton said - everyone needs to "quit whining."
(Start trying to act a little more like Republicans - and focus on winning this election instead of your personal feelings. If not - you will be feeling that this country is continuing down the wrong path for another 4 years....).
Posted by: warren
| April 18, 2008 9:57 AM
If you dont vote democrat in 08, you may as well be a republican.
Posted by: sturgeone | April 18, 2008 9:57 AM
Warren, Sturge, You have to understand that many people believe Mr Obama is such a flawed candidate that they would prefer voting for nobody or for Mr McCain,
Deriding the people who feel that way will do absolutely nothing for Mr Obama's cause.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 18, 2008 10:05 AM
dog hussein dog------------------------
Right-Wing media and 527s would make the Obama-Ayers story BIG. More Dems should listen to the R-W media - they are very good at what they do - attack & destroy. Many of you have no idea what Obama would face in the GE.
Posted by: GORDO | April 18, 2008 10:06 AM
I wasnt deriding.....I was pointing out a fact.
Posted by: sturgeone | April 18, 2008 10:06 AM
were I deriding I would have said something like......"you might as well be a slimy republican."
Posted by: sturgeone | April 18, 2008 10:08 AM
I really think that everyone here can handle themselves on this blog however they may choose. Craig has been very clear on free speech.
Also, I do not think this blog needs a daily reminder of how good it used to be. That is fairly insulting, even if you don't mean it that way. If you have problem with another person then go ahead and say something here or in private.
Personally, I really think this blog is great! Most all the people are really kind and Craig comments are always insightful and often funny. Some of us are new here - and we prefer not to bitch 24/7.
peace ~ happy friday ~ off with the dogs
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 10:08 AM
GORDO: Rightwing media did not manage to get any of their preferred GOP candidates to the finish line. One by one they fell to McCain, whom most GOP hot-talkers despise.
This country has suffered mightily under GWBush-Cheney for 8 years.
RW media and 527s will do what they always do, but their shrieking will fall on saddened but wiser ears.
And Obama's fundraising and organizational finesse have sizzled.
Am sad to hear some C Listers saying it's their candidate or no vote.
All of us will be welcome to change our minds (or not) closer to November.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | April 18, 2008 10:12 AM
My mother is a republican, I wouldn't call her slimy.
lol
My vote is my voice in an election. I not about to give that up because of name calling and fear tactics. If anything that makes me more resolved in my decision.
: )
see ya!
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 10:15 AM
Twenty years ago, liberal Demorcatic Congressman Barnie Frank warned Democrats to stop pushing gun control, that it would give the GOP a huge advantage.
Even today, as the two Dem wannbes repeatedly stumble over this issue, the GOP still owns it.
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 10:16 AM
the blog is great.......blogger and bloggees are a cut above.....
the blog though, is either on a slippery slope to perpetual discord and rampant hollering and insults or maybe it's being re-birthed in this current fire to rise again......but these last couple of months have definitely been ashes.....
Posted by: sturgeone | April 18, 2008 10:18 AM
once again......there is no derision here though I hold republicans in low esteem........if you dont vote democrat in 08, you may as well be a republican.....I hope that's not name calling but the chips must fall where the crookie cumbles........unless the shoe is on the other hand......
Posted by: sturgeone | April 18, 2008 10:22 AM
dog hussein dog---------------------
Right-Wing media and 527s would have ONE target - Obama. During the primaries, they were divided among several Repubs and none came under really heavy attack. The Obama supporters are engaged in wishfull thinking about the Repub onslaught, Clinton supporters tend to be more realistic. Hillary has done battle with them and won. The Primary and GE battles are not the same.
Posted by: GORDO | April 18, 2008 10:31 AM
Even though the GOP "owns" the gun issue, it's funny how few of their candidates actually hunt or even possess the most basic knowledge of guns.
The most recent example was Romney claiming to shoot "varmints." (This was supposed to explain the fact that he has never had a hunting license, something that can actually be fact-checked.)
Gun ownership and hunting are primarily activities of the shrinking rural population of the USA and most candidates, regardless of party, are city-suburb dwellers. They play golf, they don't hunt ducks.
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 10:37 AM
People in cities and suburbs DO own guns, but not for hunting. They use them to shoot each other.
I actually own a few guns. But I keep them in case civilization collapses and we revert to a subsistence economy. (You can hunt deer with a .22, right?)
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 10:41 AM
WHY DID HAMAS ENDORSE OBAMA
The facts point in a different direction and suggest that Obama is PURPOSEFULLY lying about his relationships with this man. Barack Obama was a director of the ‘Woods Fund’ board from 1999 to 2002, according to the Fund’s own website. According to tax filings, Obama received compensation of $6,000 per year for his service in 1999 and 2000. This not-for-profit outfit, which Obama lead during those years, actually funded (with more than $40,000) the founding of the Arab American Action Network, a creation itself of Rashid Khalidi, who is an ex-spokesman for the PLO, and who is now professor of Middle Eastern Studies at Columbia University. Khalidi himself, by the way, was the one responsible for the invitation of President Ahmedinejad (of Iran) to speak at Columbia University a few years back (and in which he was given a large forum to besmirch Israel and to dedicate many hours to his theories regarding the “Jewish role” in the domination of the world). The Woods’ funding of this individual clearly goes beyond an innocent charity, since Khalidi has openly and in countless times expressed support for Palestinian terror, calling suicide bombings a natural response to “Israeli aggression.” He also dedicated his 1986 book, “Under Siege,” to “those who gave their lives … in defense of the cause of Palestine and independence of Lebanon.” Is it really possible to claim that they didn’t know about Khalidi’s views? What is the connection between Khalidi and Obama?
Obama first met Khalidi when they were both lecturers in the University of Chicago in 1993 (Obama was in the University’s law school) and said relationship lasted for more than 12 years of shared interests (many professors attest to this, but under anonymity). In the year 2000, Khalidi held a very successful fundraiser for Obama’s failed bid for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives. When Khalidi was asked, in the John Batchelor Show of New York’s WABC Radio and Los Angeles’ KFI Radio about his fundraising activities on behalf of Barack Obama, he answered that Obama “is the only candidate who has expressed sympathy for the Palestinian cause.” Khalidi also said, that he likes the fact that Obama is “saying he supports talks with Iran. If the U.S. can talk with the Soviet Union during the Cold War, there is no reason it can’t talk with the Iranians.”
Do associations matter in politics? It is a basic rule of networking that they do. And their political views always come into account when we a politician makes these “acquaintances”, since these will define the method and process in which you acquire said power (in his case is radical liberalism and “lefty” politics). Obviously, this can be easily understood when we observe how one individual supports one candidate over another (by funding their organizations, etc.). We must also understand that William C. Ayers, who was made famous yesterday because of ABC’s push of the story into the mainstream, has OPENLY stated that the best method of effecting “real change” in the United States is by “killing all the rich White people”. Bill Ayers OWN connection to Arab terrorism and the PLO are well established, in addition to his association to Khalidi himself, and cannot be “swept under the rug” as obscure philosophies which Obama “has never heard about”. (If Obama is this incompetent in choosing his friends out of “innocent ignorance” about their character, then he is obviously NOT FIT to be President of the United States!)
As a curious side-note, if you go to William Ayers’ main website (CLICK HERE), you will notice a very prominent name in the middle of the page: ABU-ZAYD. For those of you who are not familiar with Islamic culture, the name means “FATHER OF ZAYD” and it is Ayers OTHER name. As you may have noticed above, Ayers has two children which he raised as Muslims (Malik and Zayd), a fact that he openly exalts by applying to himself an honorary Muslim name.
Nonetheless, as Obama stated in ABC’s debate, if we simply suspend our reason and knowledge of how politics ACTUALLY works, then we must assume that being associated to Rev. Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers is not sufficiently substantive to ascribe to him the same and exact philosophical views of the world that they have. But, even if this was absolutely true (for the sake of argument), these unwholesome friendships and partnerships, at the very least, open the possibility of interpreting Obama’s own political policies through the same lens that his friends and their views have established for him (thus their friendship and support of Obama).
Posted by: tz | April 18, 2008 10:46 AM
Hey, we are supposed to be talking about GUNS today.
We can return to the 24/7 "Hillary vs Obama deathmatch" tomorrow.
Or are you Clinton people AFRAID of guns? I'll bet that's what it is. If home invaders break down your door, what do you plan to do. Call 911?
If some guy in a pick-up takes your parking spot at the mall, and flips you the finger, what are you going to do? Write a letter to the editor?
I knew it. You're all a bunch of Merlot sipping, Brie munching, white, suburban vegtarian pacificists.
We Obama people are down with the street. We've got a .32 gun in our pocket for fun, and a razor in our shoe.
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 10:52 AM
Thanks to those who posted re the Scarborough-Maddow match last night. Maybe David Gregory will put Craig in Scarborough's chair:
http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/thread.aspx?threadid=635478&BoardsParam=HIPDelay%3d1%26PostID%3d17363682
also, you can email David Gregory at:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23580538/
Posted by: Lynn | April 18, 2008 10:52 AM
tz:
Hamas would endorse any candidate that they wanted to lose.
Posted by: warren
| April 18, 2008 10:55 AM
warren
thats a lame statement
Posted by: tz | April 18, 2008 10:56 AM
More on the Obama BS re not taking money from lobbyists:
http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2008/04/obamas-claims-o.html
Why does the MSM let him get away with these ads in PA and Indiana saying he doesn't take money from "Washington lobbyists" as if he doesn't have them bundling for him like crazy. Like all politicians, he doesn't care about one $2,300 check. The people who will get access if he gets in the White House are those who bundle hundreds of thousands of dollars. What a hypocrit.
Posted by: Lynn | April 18, 2008 11:00 AM
Thanks to the 26th amendentment, I've managed to squeeze 9 presidential elections into my voting history.
In those 9 elections, I've had 3 of my votes actually be for the winning candidate...2 of those were for Bill Clinton and I am still thankful that he was President for 8 years.
It's the other "win" that I regret and I see a lot of similiarities between then and now.
Carter was the new face, not a Washington insider, again at a time when most voters were overwhelmingly disgusted with the last eight years of GOP rule. Then, as now, the concern of a lot of leading Democrats was that Carter did not have the neccessary experience to be POTUS.
I did not support Carter in the primaries...(I was for Mo Udall)...I grew to distrust Carter through the campaign and the debates. But, when he became the Democratic nominee, I voted for him because I was a "Democrat"and had never voted for anyone on the GOP ticket.
To this day, I'm convinced the country would have been better off with 4 years of Gerald Ford....it may have even saved us from 8 years of Reagan.
Fool me once,....
~g.
Posted by: Gidget
| April 18, 2008 11:10 AM
Ally
"Dirt Off Your Shoulder" Jay Z
Warning explicit lyrics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWLHQ3S-Oq8
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 11:18 AM
tz
I see you've found the wacko site that Max cut and pastes from.
Your cut and paste job is pure BS just the big lie all over again.
Your trying to make some bullshit conspiracy theory
With connections that, upon examination, don't connect.
All of the proofs offered for these fantasies point only to one think.
Obama was well connected in the south side Chicago nonprofit community.
Well DUH!!!!
So tz lets try to deal with reality here instead of some paranoid fantasy.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 18, 2008 11:21 AM
whiskey
all in that article can be fact checked
Posted by: tz | April 18, 2008 11:28 AM
In regard to Obama giving the finger:
Come on, lets get real, look at the CBS clip that was posted.
The finger is always delivered as a punctuation gesture, this just didn't happen.
it is a fun tease but to believe it really happened?
Come on someone is drinking too much Koolaid.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 18, 2008 11:28 AM
Good article by Paul Krugman today in NYTimes about harm Obama does when he denigrates the Clinton years. The pro-Obama media continue to discuss extent to which Clinton is harming the eventual Dem nominee by staying in the race (which she's losing by a whopping 1% of the popular vote). On the other hand, have heard no discussion of problems of Obama lumping the Clinton and Bush administrations together and belittling the accomplishments of the one Dem administration that led the country well in the past 40 years:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/18/opinion/18krugman.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
excerpt:
...And one more thing: let’s hope that once Mr. Obama is no longer running against someone named Clinton, he’ll stop denigrating the very good economic record of the only Democratic administration most Americans remember.
Posted by: Lynn | April 18, 2008 11:29 AM
tz
I did fact check it
Have posted links to the truth in here several times
That is why I called the BS
You obviously didn't or you would have posted some links
At least to the offending article that you borrowed.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 18, 2008 11:33 AM
Well it might not have been important in Chicago, but it sure feeds the narrative about 1. Obama did not tell the truth when he said his relationship with Ayers is flimsy and 2. He hangs with a crowd a bit removed from the centrist narrative the would like to paint.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/901879,CST-NWS-sweet18.article
His appearance on Colbert was quite arrogant and I found Edwards far more worthy of my vote than Obama. Last night Jon was much more to the point. Although he made light of the questions about Ayers and Wright we stand in opposition to Obama's fictionalized image, Jon showed what Obama's stuttering responses were to questions about the economy and Israel. They left Stewart speechless. If Obama is the smartest and most intellectual candidate running, we are in deep shit.
Oh, and Colbert? A prisoner to his writers and his ego. I do watch because sometimes he is quite funny, but he, like most of the MSM are simply Obama cheerleaders and his butt kissing last night revealed him to be just a satire of his own truthiness. His only impact is to the degree he plays it down the middle. His mocking all week has been as a supporter of Obama and unlike Stewart didn't dare make fun of Obama. He didn't even poke fun at the gramatical butchery of his vet guest last night. Clobert is an expert butt kisser indeed....
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 18, 2008 11:36 AM
Jack
I would think you were right about the finger except for the smirk and brush off and "you know what I mean" as the audience laughed. He knew Exactly what he was doing and was smart enough to do it in such a way as to communicate to the audience while sliding it by for being shown on TV. He has now used two Jay Z songs to directly apply to Sen. Clinton and aged, creaky whit producers who don't have a clue have let it slide until pointed out to them.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 11:40 AM
Well said TZ, which is why I cannot vote for Obama. His message is built on a fiction rendering his vision suspect. If people cannot see the links between anti-Zionist, anti-American sentiments expressed in those Obama called friends and supporters, then they are in denial. The time is coming to simply vote and give up trying to convince people of things their faith will not allow them to consider.
Whether some believe Obama gave Hillary the finger or not, he did metaphorically long ago. And it is no surprise his mentors, supporters and friends have given many Americans the finger. I suggest we use ours in Novemeber.
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 18, 2008 11:45 AM
There once was a Senator from Natchez,
You guys will have to fill in the rest, but I'm not buying the idea that Barack was sending that "across the table message" that Ally sends her husband. My reason: No eye contact. That and the fact that the index finger was hanging out there enough to cloud the message.
When he itches, he scratches.
Posted by: EdVB
| April 18, 2008 11:49 AM
"We Obama people are down with the street. We've got a .32 gun in our pocket for fun, and a razor in our shoe"
Bring that piece, You'll need it over here on the southside. You be the kind that pees his pants if a brother walks up and asks for a light. But your type does dig fast for change, so we get a 40 oz.
Leroy Brown
What is this bullshit kkk in the Captcha key. This site is racist, I tell you Racist. You'll never see me here again.
Posted by: totally not serious | April 18, 2008 11:49 AM
Jack,
Sorry I have to disagree with you. I watched the video.
He knows exactly what he is doing.. The smile and saying you have to stick it . All the online msm have it on as well as both chicago papers, agree he did it, some more scathingly than others.
Yes my finger will be voting against him.
Julie
Posted by: Julie-Young73 | April 18, 2008 11:53 AM
Wacko site Jack? LOL
Do you mean the well linked article from the Free Canadian Press? Or do you think Counterterrorism.org is a wacko site. American Thinker is a wacko site.
What is wacko to you is any well documented article that explores the real associations and ideologies of the web Obama put himself into. You much prefer the fiction to fact.
How Obama’s church and associates link him to the ISM
By Lee Kaplan Tuesday, April 1, 2008
Some media pundits have tried suggesting that Barack Obama’s recent speech about his association with Reverend Jeremiah Wright and the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago is comparable to the Gettysburg Address in calling for national “unity.”
But if one parses some key statements by Obama in that speech, one can see how Obama poses more of a threat of creating disunity in America and how he will probably use racism as a vehicle do so.
Some liberal Jewish groups have begun an email campaign trying to persuade American Jews concerned by Jeremiah Wright’s comparison of the black American experience with that of the Palestinians in the Middle East as not being compatible with Barack Obama’s views. Led by Democratic Florida Congressman Larry Wexler (D) Florida, Obama’s Jewish supporters have claimed that after meeting with members of AIPAC, the Israel Lobby, Obama stated that the Palestinians must renounce the right of return, the Catch 22 used by the PLO and its front group, the International Solidarity Movement, that prevents any other solution to the Middle East conflict other than the dismantling of Israel as a Jewish state. In addition, the email claims, Obama stated that the missiles fired on Sderot are unacceptable and that Israel should have a right to defend itself. But that same email also contains the tired (and untrue) old leftist platitudes that so many Israelis would not have been murdered by Arab terrorists since Oslo were it not for the Likud Party in Israel that has refused to give away unconditionally Israel’s security in exchange for empty promises from the terrorist warlords in Fatah and Hamas. Both terrorist groups agree in Arabic the only acceptable real end game is the dismantling of the Jewish state, something that is always glossed over by lefties when someone euphemistically talks about “peace.” “Peace” to the Arabs is newspeak for Israel becoming Palestine.
Obama’s statements, were, for the untrained ears of pampered Jewish leftists in the Democratic Party what might be classified as being “so far so good.”
However, without losing a beat, an article has appeared on the ISM affiliated website Electronic Intifada (EI) by one of its co-founders, Ali Abunimah, in which Abumimah recounts his close past working relationship with Obama prior to the presidential campaign and how Abunimah believes Obama is merely giving lip service to the Jewish community to get elected, and that once in office he will work for the Palestinian cause. Abunimah lists himself and is mentioned in subsequent Obama articles in the mainstream press merely as a “Palestinian activist.” Abunimah insists that Obama will “come around” once elected.
But Ali Abunimah is more than just some “Palestinian activist” based in Chicago, the same location as Reverend Wright and the Trinity United Church of Christ. He is, in fact, one of the founders of the fiercely anti-Semitic ISM Arab group Al Awda, the Palestine Right of Return Coalition. Abunimah is a high level international leader of the ISM for the Arabs who travels extensively between Chicago, Europe and Ramallah.
Al Awda in Arabic means “The Return,” and the group not only calls for the complete destruction of Israel, even denying Israel’s current existence on its website and urging boycotts against not only Israelis, but American Jews and their businesses, but also calls for specifically supporting Arab terrorists in Iraq who kill US soldiers. Among its more than 130 chapters across the US and Canada, Al Awda’s New Jersey chapter is led by a young woman named Charlotte Kates who has called Israeli children killed by suicide bombers “fair game.” The ISM’s Al Awda openly supports terrorism as “legitimate resistance” in ISM revolutionary lingo.
Al Awda’s anti-Semitism has also linked to neo-Nazi groups in promoting the boycott and divestment from Israel on American campuses and in the US business community. It became so virulent that the group was booted by the UC Riverside campus administration from holding an international conference on that campus last year. Ali Abunimah, even today, is featured on the Al Awda website supporting terrorism against Israelis because he considers that “nonviolence is overrated.”
In short, Obama saw no problem being lobbied in the past by someone who openly promotes terrorism and discrimination against Jewish-Americans.
Al Awda is commemorating the 60th anniversary of the Nakba (catastrophe of the creation of Israel) this coming May thanks to the willingness of the management of Hilton Hotels to overlook anti-Semitism in its facilities to make a buck. A new petition is in the works to get Hilton to stop this. Al Awda’s scheduled guest of honor will be a PFLP terrorist member named Khalida Jarrar, and their website recently gave an homage to the late PFLP founder George Habash. Al Awda wants convicted Islamic Jihad financier/terrorist Sami al Arian released, a murderer of over 100 people abroad, some of them Americans, from terrorist attacks.
If Barack Obama didn’t know about Abunimah’s writings (and Abunimah says he did), the same as his claims of being unaware of Reverend Wright’s remarks after 20 years, then Obama is not competent to be our President. Abunimah likes to lie and claim Al Awda has nothing to do with the ISM or Electronic Intifada, though plenty of evidence exists on the website the homepage at www.StoptheISM.com showing the contrary.
But Obama’s association with the ISM through his church and lobbying in Chicago goes even deeper than just his past links to Al Awda and Ali Abunimah. His pastor, Jeremiah Wright, and the Trinity Union Church of Christ in Chicago, are both equally involved with the ISM.
Since 2001, the ISM has been tasked by the PLO and other Arab irredentist groups with getting new generations of American college kids to consider democratic Israel as somehow a violator of human rights, all the while as the Palestinian Arabs who practice open anti-Semitism, honor killings, and the murders of their own people as well as Jews, as commendable practices. At their 2003 national organizing conference at Ohio State, ISM activists set out to deconstruct American narratives about Israel as a democratic state with firm support from secular radical Americans of Jewish ancestry. In one workshop set up to discuss ways to put a good face on suicide bombings, ISM activists spoke of new ways of reinterpreting the Bible so Israel did not belong to the Jews, but to the Palestinians.
In working with the Saudi funded Muslim Students Association in campuses across the US, the ISM has managed to cloud the image among American youth through disinformation and propaganda campaigns against Jews and Israel in order to try and make American students believe Israel is an apartheid state like South Africa was in the 1980s. At the same time, these same Palestinian groups like Al Awda insist the West Bank and Gaza must be Jew-free. Since this campaign has been largely successful in organizing anti-Israel attitudes on campuses all over America, and since Jewish organizations in America have been slow to react, the ISM moved on to another program to do the same thing only this time alienating US churches, particularly evangelical churches that have a long-term sense of Biblical support for the Jewish state. Thus was born the Sabeel Ecumenical Liberation Theological Society created as part of the ISM to do in US churches what various ISM groups succeeded to do in American colleges.
At the same time, a foothold already existed to a small degree in the American black religious community such as is led by Louis Farrakhan.
The mainstream ISM leadership is made up of Palestinian Christian Arabs who are also communists/anarchists and pan-Arab nationalists first, that hold to the philosophy of the Popular Front for The Liberation of Palestine, the second largest faction of the PLO. Using communist revolutionary practices of “solidarity,” it has been these Palestinian Arab Christian “revolutionaries,” aligned with Jewish- American communists and anarchists, that have been working so well on the campuses in the US and the UK.
Now, it has become the ISM’s time to deconstruct religious dogma of Israel belonging to the Jews as is preached in US churches and to increase the number of black churches in America that are working in “solidarity” with this program. Jeremiah Wright’s church is one of them. Even though the national synod of the United Church for Christ rescinded a boycott and divestment plan against Israel, a wing of the UCC church keeps trying to get it reinstated. That wing includes Reverend Wright’s Trinity UCC Church in Chicago. Few people know also, that there are many Muslim members of Reverend Wright’s “Christian” church, a close ally of Sabeel.
Led by a Palestinian Christian pastor named Naim Ateek, Sabeel’s purpose is as part of the ISM to especially convince churches in America that the diminishing Christian population in the West Bank, particularly Bethlehem, is not due to persecution by the Muslim majority in the Palestinian Authority against Christians caused Christian flight, but because of Israel’s Jews and “the occupation.” In order to achieve this, Sabeel practices something called “replacement theology “ which aligns itself closely with the ideas of its Muslim fundamentalist allies.
Replacement theology advanced by the ISM and Sabeel holds that Jesus was not a Jew, but a Palestinian. It also holds that the fulfillment of scripture is not Jews returning to the land of Israel, but Palestinian Arabs taking control of Israel from Jewish oppressors to become Palestine. In replacement theology, Abraham’s son, Isaac, was not to be sacrificed before God, but it was rather Ishmael, the father of the Arab people. This is also the Muslim interpretation of the Torah in the Koran. Yasser Arafat always claimed that Jesus was a Palestinian, not a Jew. Arafat, though a secular Muslim, also saw the value of his allies in the PFLP in recruiting pan-Arab revolutionaries and Arab communists to achieve his goals.
Why should a Christian Arab pastor like Naim Ateek teach such things? He does so because his religious teachings are based more on politics than anything else, and it gives him a power base and funding as a religious leader he could only dream of among the Christian Arab minority population.
Sabeel has been actively working in cooperation with Chicago’s Trinity UCC among certain other politically active churches in America to promote anti-Israel and even anti-Semitic beliefs that can erode American Christian support for Israel and hasten Israel’s destruction. And Pastor Jeremiah Wright, pandering to his majority black congregation, has been teaching his own replacement theology, only this time its called “black replacement theology.” Jesus was not a Jew, says Wright, but a “black man.” Trinity UCC’s relationship with the anti-Semitic Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam (funded by anti-Israel Libya) fits in nicely with this formula also. The Christian religious icon is no longer a Jew, but a black man and to accept this interpretation is the way to salvation for the black man. This not only deconstructs
American church views of the legitimacy of Israel, but has a nice foothold with the likes of the Nation of Islam in the US black community.
In his speech, Obama actually tried to give some credibility to Wright’s speech claiming it portrays the real experience for black Americans without saying what specific parts of Wright’s diatribes he was referring to. By accusing the US of bombing innocent people of color at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, of America infecting black American with AIDS, or of “chickens coming home to roost” for 9/11 (ignoring that plenty of black Americans died in those attacks), were more than just blanket “issues” that Obama called them and said he does not agree with “totally.”
But does this all really link back to Obama? Can’t he still get by, saying that his pastor Wright and church of 20 years, and Ali Abunimah also do not bespeak his personal opinions?
To the contrary, in his speech about Wright, Obama said he does believe such things when he said he cannot disavow them from Reverend Wright or disassociate himself from the demagogical pastor any more than from the black community. He just did it in veiled language. He just spoke about his close family-like relationship with Wright and then suggested Wright speaks to the black experience in America.
Here is the most important parsed line from Obama’s speech (and it’s no Gettysburg Address):
“The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor.”
So the man who “introduced” Barack Obama to his “Christian faith” also teaches that Jesus was not a Jew, and that the white Jews exploited the “black Palestinians” in the Bible, and who espouses ISM and Sabeel religious terminology among his fellow Christians, particularly blacks, even against the wishes of his own synod.
Jeremiah Wright certainly knows his market.
That is the Christianity of Jeremiah Wright and based on Obama’s speech, the same Christianity that Wright introduced Obama to, and one the presidential candidate still believes and won’t disavow no matter what it costs him.
True, Obama mentioned how Wright taught him to be kind unto others. But according to Wright’s interpretation, that “kindness” has more to do with fighting “white oppression” than urging nonviolence and brotherly love among all races. Wright’s church even praised Hamas in the past, and has always touted it as an Islamic charity organization showing such social kindness despite its charter calling for unyielding murder and expulsion of Jews in the Middle East.
The ISM’s training manual says that international ISM volunteers in the West Bank should not tell people they are human shields for terrorist groups but “peace activists” because it deceives people from their real purpose of attacking Israel any way they can to the benefit of their Palestinian handlers. So, too, does Barack Obama talk about loving one another as taught to him by a pastor who then accuses America of murdering innocent people of color at Hiroshima and Nagasaki over 50 years ago. The American servicemen whose lives were spared back then by ending the war quickly were also black men, Latinos and others who were fighting Japanese racists who murdered Chinese, Filipinos and other “inferior” people on a regular basis, who ran experimental death camps for American and British prisoners-of-war, and who were allied with a Nazi Germany that was allied with the same Arab nationalist leadership that is still trying to destroy the Jews today.
“I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community,” said Obama. So then it is clear that Obama believes that Wright’s ideas represent the black community and black experience in America when they represent only the radicalized fringe of black America that wants to aid America’s enemies abroad. It is doubtful many black Americans who served proudly in the US military feel the same as Wright on this issue.
What is more, militant Islamists see a potential to sow internal problems and promote their fascist goals in the US by trying to divide the American black community against the US government. Whereas blacks have been exploited in the past, this is now seen as a way to achieve the goals of expanding the Muslim ummah inside the US from in the Middle East. That is why Libya gives money to Farrakhan and why the ISM and Sabeel work with Reverend Wright whose personal interpretations of Christianity are entrenched in Obama’s mind as the True Word of Christianity. Wright actually visited Mohammar Ghaddafi in Libya with Farrakhan in the past.
I attended an AIPAC (Israel lobby) conference two years ago where another black candidate for congress, Barbara Lee (D) Oakland, was in attendance as the representative for Oakland/Berkeley. Ms. Lee sat very respectfully as she was fawned over by a crowd of Jewish Israel supporters and acted as if she was really concerned about Israel. Ms. Lee even smiled at me personally as she left. Meanwhile, she was the only member of Congress who voted against going after Bin Laden after 9/11 in Afghanistan and also supports groups like Hamas, Hizballah and Al Awda in their anti-Semitic goals. Congressman Wexler needs to understand that what Obama says to a meeting of Jews will not translate into what he does once he is in office. In that regard, Ali Abunimah of Al Awda is probably right about Obama going to work for the Palestinians once in office Obama’s staffers certainly suggest the same.
The question is if we want a man in the White House who will regularly give his ear to the likes of a Reverend Wright, his and Sabeel’s replacement theologies, and pro-terrorist propagandists like Ali Abunimah on a regular basis? In one sense, Obama could be considered the ISM’s Manchurian candidate given his wide connections to ISM activists and campaign movements such as the Wheels of Justice Tour, Joseph Carr a.k.a. Joseph Smith, Hannah Mermelstein, Anna Baltzer and others.
Posted 04/1 at 08:59 AM by Canadian Free Press
Links were provided in the original article which one cannot cut and past. Much of this has been substantiated by reputable blogs some including counterterrorism blogs.
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 18, 2008 11:55 AM
Jamie,
Did you watch the CBS clip it gives a longer version than youtube. In it there is no evidence that he is even conscience of what his hand did.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 18, 2008 11:56 AM
Oy.
Posted by: sturgeone | April 18, 2008 11:58 AM
Max......why dont you start a blog fahchrissakes instead of wearing out my scroll wheel finger?
Posted by: sturgeone | April 18, 2008 12:00 PM
Max,
That is waaaayyyyy beyond the pale in posting........
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 12:02 PM
Sorry Sturg, I just wanted people to see what some call wacko. As Counterterrorism.org has been saying for years, Hamas and others are very clever how they work, lobby and move the money. There is also deep connections between various radicals and their intellectual apologists. Unfortunately this web goes beyond "just working the South Side" and why Ayers, Wright, Khadili and others share much of the same agenda. For the "smartest and most intellectual running" not to know this, is quite a contradiction. Even Obama's claim to have come up with "Yes We Can" is a lie. I have a finger that'sgot an itch too....
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 18, 2008 12:09 PM
You Clinton folk need to start reading more of the news than relying on U-tube so much .
"Here's a good one on the Ayers-Obama background and it's not from gotohellobama dot com
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-radicals18apr18,1,5623804.story
Obama and Ayers moved in some of the same political and social circles in the leafy liberal enclave of Hyde Park, where they lived several blocks apart. In the mid-1990s, when Obama was running for the Illinois Senate, Ayers introduced Obama during a political event at his home, according to Obama's aides. Ayers, a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, later contributed $200 to Obama's state campaign.
"Obama and Ayers met a dozen times as members of the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, a local grant-making foundation, according to the group's president. They appeared together to discuss juvenile justice on a 1997 panel sponsored by the University of Chicago, records show. They appeared again in 2002 at an academic panel co-sponsored by the Chicago Public Library."
Laura S. Washington, chairwoman of the Woods Fund, called it "ridiculous to suggest there's anything inappropriate" about Ayers and Obama serving on the nine-member board of directors. The Woods Fund issued $3.4 million in grants to local arts, housing and civic groups last year from an endowment of about $70 million, she said.
"Obama joined the board in 1993 and stepped down in 2002, three years after Ayers was appointed, she said. The board met four times a year to discuss policy and new grant proposals, she said."
there much more background in this article that refutes the BS of tz and Maxtrue on the subject.
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 18, 2008 12:09 PM
re: Obama flipping off Clinton
If you watch the entire clip you will see that early in the speech he touches his face with his pinkie. But when it comes to this segment it appears purposeful, and timed. If it was an accident - it just shows how dumb he can be, to do something that could be twisted on video and stills into something vulgar.
re: Clinton supporter not giving vote to Obama
A vote for BHO is also a vote rewarding the media and their bias tactics. It's says - sure MSNBC and others -it's fine to bash one candidate and give the other a pass.
re: Guns
Actually, I am planning to buy one soon.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 12:10 PM
Burrito.....this is SC...my own mudda is also republican...as are most of my friends.....lol
Posted by: sturgeone | April 18, 2008 12:11 PM
Max - TLDR
Too Long Didn't Read
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 12:12 PM
When someone flips you the finger, at least when it's been done to or by me, there's no nuance about it and no mistaking it.
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 18, 2008 12:14 PM
my mudda was a mudda, (Seinfeld horse race episode)
lol : )
I don't take any offense
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 12:16 PM
Canadian Free press?
LOL
Definitely Wacko
http://canadafreepress.com/
And unlike you I know how to post links.
"can't post a link" LOL
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 18, 2008 12:17 PM
Pogo.... I hear you loud and clear..... and agree.....
uburrito.... I love seeing all the newbies around here.... without them.... I think things can get stale.... unfortunately.... it hasn't helped much lately..... I see the same arguments going around and around whether it's oldies or newbies.... as someone who loves to learn.... that kind of thing bores the crap out of me.... too much to learn and not enough time.... I think that was what Pogo was driving at.... not trying to insult you or anyone else new around here.....
and for the record..... I will vote for whomever the Democratic nominee eventually is.... but I think all Americans have the right to vote their conscience..... I know many who say they vote the person and not the party..... as an independent.... I say "good for them!".....
everyone have a great weekend....
Posted by: RebelliousRenee
| April 18, 2008 12:17 PM
I guess when he fails at something the best Obama can do is, turn it around and mock the process.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 12:20 PM
Jack, I said that the links withing the artical don't transfer through cut and paste. Yes a totally wacko article with not a shred of truth...LOL
Maybe you can spell out all the lies....
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 18, 2008 12:23 PM
Yes Jack, nice objective site. Did you catch the support links to Rush, Michelle, Ann, Neal, Drudge, ad nauseam.
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 18, 2008 12:27 PM
Warren: "Like Bill Clinton said - everyone needs to "quit whining."
Did you send Bill's quote off to Obomie in a little letter today too...sounds like most of the whining is coming from poor wittle Obomie cwying because he dwid bwadly in da debate cwuz those mweanies gwave him hward qwuestions.
Poor wittle Obomie.
And then he tops it off by flippin' Hillary the bird
Now that is a CLASS ACT
;-)
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 18, 2008 12:28 PM
by MSWord's word count the last post my max was 2951 words.
don't you get tired of just typing?
yo soy Horsedooty!
Posted by: yo soy Horsedooty!
| April 18, 2008 12:36 PM
Jack,
That is why I'm really giving him a pass on the finger. He actually has beautiful hands with very long fingers and it could be a totally unconcious gesture. The shoulder brush off wasn't unconcious. Look at the video, see the way he did it, look at the audience laughing and then add in the verbal "you know what I mean'. THAT was totally intentional.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 12:36 PM
Max,
Please post links. You consume way too much loading time for many people. That is why the messages are short and conversational. If people want to read after you give them a clue, they will click on the link. Anything else is discourteous.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 12:38 PM
Well, I guess you DON'T want to talk about guns.
Welcome to the 24/7 Hillary vs Obama deathmatch blog.
Rules for posting
* You must be either a Clinton or Obama supporter.
* You can be as nasty as you want,
* as long as you complain about how nasty the other side is.
* Remember, McCain WILL WIN if your candidate does
not get the nomination.
* This will be followed by the collapse of Western Civilization.
*But a few determined monks in Ireland will keep the light of knowledge burning.
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 12:48 PM
My problem with voting for Sen. Obama is a simple one. In my lifetime, I've cast a vote for one president that I really really wanted and that was Bill Clinton.
After a whole lot of "lesser of two evils", I simply will not do it again. It will be a straight Dem ticket except for the Presidency and it will either be a vote for Hillary Clinton or a write in vote for Hillary Clinton.
Just to borrow a slogan: She is the one I've been waiting for and I will vote for her.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 12:50 PM
Jack, I didn't know all those commentaries were written by wackos....work calls and sorry for the typos, I was eating lunch...By the way, go to the orginal article and just click on supporting links.
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 18, 2008 12:54 PM
Hi. I just wanted you to know that I've been lurking here, laughing my butt off.
-John (your next President) McCain
By the way, if you visit my website, my wife has a new recipe for "roast duck with bitter sauce." (I think it's Chinese.)
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 12:54 PM
Nash, I've had my share of guns. Liked my Colt Python the best. The M1911 was pretty nice. My Beretta .32 was a POS. Right now I'll depend on my fighting knife.
If I wanted someone to cover my six, it sure wouldn't be Mr Obama.
If civil society vanishes from the face of the Earth, the old soldier up the street has an arsenal that we'll share.
Oh, of the three, I'd want Mrs Clinton covering my back.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 18, 2008 12:54 PM
So Jack, in the CBS video...what was the lady right over his right shoulder so tickled about and what exactly did she have to clue her friend in about?
I don't blame him...it fits in with his arrogant personality to throw someone the bird.
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 18, 2008 12:56 PM
Jamie:
"The shoulder brush off wasn't unconcious. Look at the video, see the way he did it, look at the audience laughing and then add in the verbal "you know what I mean'. THAT was totally intentional"
True,
even including cleaning something off of his shoe
But that is just standard playful politics, clowning for the faithful. No big deal IMO
Though making big deals out of nothing seems to be standard fare, for this campaign season.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 18, 2008 12:57 PM
Wendy
She has a dirty mind just like you.;-)
But from Obama's reaction he didn't have a clue as to what his finger just did.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 18, 2008 1:01 PM
Jack - I don't know what having a "dirty mind" has to do with it. I live in LA and drive on LAs freeways...I think I know what a middle finger looks like.
And...why did he smirk...
Posted by: Wendy!
| April 18, 2008 1:03 PM
Jamie -- Thanks for posting Jay-Z's Dirt Off Your Shoulders song -- one of my favorites.
So did Obama really have that played as an entry song for his rally in NC when he flipped the bird to Hillary?
Here is a description of Obama's "act a fool" behavior, courtesy of Ludacris:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3m3WA2t-us&feature=related
Posted by: Divalicias | April 18, 2008 1:07 PM
I just wanted you all to know that I am disgusted by all the negative politics in this campaign.
-Lee Atwater (Still burning in hell, but, in 100,000 years, they're going to give me an ice cube.)
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 1:09 PM
Wendy
He smirked throughout the whole clip.
Why?
Because, I suspect, he knew he was peddling BS.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 18, 2008 1:09 PM
Barack’s “Underground” Friends
"Last night’s ABC debate was the first official “beating” that Barack Obama has ever received from a MAINSTREAM news-network. It’s moderators finally asked tough questions to both candidates and forced them to be as honest as possible about their answers. The reason I label it a “beating” is because, most of Obama’s supporters have never had to experience their candidate facing tough questions about issues related to his OBVIOUS unelectability in November.
As a curious side-note, if you go to William Ayers’ main website, you will notice a very prominent name in the middle of the page: ABU-ZAYD. For those of you who are not familiar with Islamic culture, the name means “FATHER OF ZAYD” and it is Ayers OTHER name. As you may have noticed above, Ayers has two children which he raised as Muslims (Malik and Zayd), a fact that he openly exalts by applying to himself an honorary Muslim name."
As the Castillian saying goes; “tell me with whom you are with, and I will tell you who you are”.
http://savagepolitics.com/
Posted by: GORDO | April 18, 2008 1:09 PM
The only way Mr Obama could get a pass on the finger would be if his thumb and forefinger were in a cast.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 18, 2008 1:10 PM
McCain releases his tax returns -- but Cindy McCain doesn't release her tax returns. McCain's campaign says he's doing the same thing that Kerry did. OMG the irony!
Posted by: Divalicias | April 18, 2008 1:10 PM
LOL
Gordo , tz and Max have to be the same person F***ing with us
LOL
They must be the pimplyface teenage boy because everyone knows I'm the girl with perky tits.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 18, 2008 1:14 PM
I don't see either Mrs McCain's or Mrs Kerry's income as being in any way connected with the candidate.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 18, 2008 1:14 PM
flatus: If Hillary is going to be "guarding your six," you should remember that the last time she handled a gun, Eisenhower was President. And whatever you do, don't quack.
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 1:15 PM
"The shoulder brush off wasn't unconcious. Look at the video, see the way he did it, look at the audience laughing and then add in the verbal "you know what I mean'. THAT was totally intentional"
--whskyjack
Believe me, when I tell you(as I posted last night)...that shoulder brush was right off Jay-Z's "Dirt off your Shoulder" video.!! That's why young crowd went wild...they knew exactly what BHO was doin'!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWLHQ3S-Oq8
BHO seems to be a big Jay-Z fan!!
Obama/Carter '08...ohhhyeahhh!!!
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| April 18, 2008 1:15 PM
Well I think you all have finally hit the crazy button......
I use me middle finger in that manner too. I know a LOT of people who absent mindedly stratch their faces, put lip gloss on their mouths...I mean how many hours are you going to argue this moot point?
Jack, good on you for trying to theorize with civility and positive thoughts.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 1:16 PM
Craig -- Not accurate to generalize DEMs as anti-gun. Remember John Dingell is on the Board of the NRA. It was pro-gun DEMs ho turned the Senate Blue in 2006. I am a Democrat and I've always been something of a pro-2nd Amendment purist. And yes, my Daddy taught me to shoot when I was 6 years old.
http://www.a2dems.net/links.htm
Posted by: Divalicias | April 18, 2008 1:19 PM
Boren. . . I'm impressed! Mr. conservative dressed as a democrat. He was our Senator and later my wife and daughter's boss (figuratively) at the University when we lived in OK.
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 18, 2008 1:20 PM
Nash - Gun subject
We have a rifle and a pistol in the house and go to the firing range to practice. Nothing more to say about the subject really. They are there if needed, otherwise they are kept safe and ignored.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 1:21 PM
One conclusion I've come too after seeing and reading some of Max and GORDO is that they want to be RAPTURED. I don't.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| April 18, 2008 1:22 PM
Hey, how about a debate between Michelle Obama and Bill Clinton? For moderators, we could have Oprah and Rosie O'Donnell.
Now don't worry. We'll have Bill's handlers stand by with a defibrulator.
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 1:23 PM
I agree that BHO was flippin' the bird. That all started a few years ago, when people started getting arrested for flippin' people off, in public.
I do it all the time...and it is always a conscious act, on my part, to flip off someone, especially when I am driving....everyone does it...most people know what it means!!!
Obama/Carter '08
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| April 18, 2008 1:24 PM
Nash, if you're going to quote me, do it accurately.
She doesn't even need a weapon--all she needs do is stay awake and keep her eyes open and her mouth shut.
Can you imagine Mr Obama doing that?
Posted by: Flatus
| April 18, 2008 1:24 PM
Diva,
At one of his early rallies he used the Jay Z song "99 problems". The other night he used the Jay Z song "Dirt Off My Shoulder".
Jack
Doing something like this a couple of times for the faithful is one thing. The almost constant stream of sarcastic responses and snarky actions are a personal habit. It tells you what kind of person he is. For some it adds up to strong and confident. For me it adds up to rude, insensitive, touchy and self serving. Just a matter of perception as to what you want in a candidate.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 1:25 PM
btw Max, FYI . . *as I put on my slicker*
"Nunn and Boren will also serve as advisers on Obama's National Security Foreign Policy Team. Nunn was a one-time chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, while Boren was the longest-serving chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence."
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 18, 2008 1:30 PM
Nash
Moderators would have to be Oprah and Ellen. You cant have two pro Obama fans asking the questions.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 1:30 PM
yikes, Jamie...I didn't know the "Dirt off my Shoulders" song was being played.
I knew what BHO was doin' without even hearing the song!!
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| April 18, 2008 1:31 PM
I hope they were playin' the "clean" version!!!
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| April 18, 2008 1:34 PM
Boren and Nunn have never been Clinton supporters - both gave Bill plenty of trouble. They, like many Big Name Dems, fear Hillary because they would not be able to control her - they want a "Front Man". Vote for Obama if you want the same Washington crowd - Hllary is the real outsider.
Posted by: GORDO | April 18, 2008 1:35 PM
And for the record.
Robert Reich endorsing Obama later this afternoon IS a big deal. He's one of the greatest Labor Elders in our party. Its a big deal.
Its like Feingold. May have voted for Obama, but he hasn't endorsed him yet....and he may not still.
So Reich is a big deal.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 1:35 PM
Lush
Sorry I wasn't clear. They didn't play "Dirt Off My Shoulder", he just did the gesture after saying "Know What I Mean". The audience cracked up. They definitely got the sarcastic joke.
Given his personality, if Sen. Obama doesn't get the nomination, he can do imitations of the Best snarky GWB remarks.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 1:36 PM
CROWD APPLAUSE!!!!!! YAHHHHHHH!!!! Does the Wave!
Obama For President, By Robert Reich
http://robertreich.blogspot.com/
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 1:39 PM
Jamie -- Rosie is not Pro-Obama. She's been pretty neutral. Wants a ticket with both of them on -- one way or the other, but more likely Clinton/Obama. She's got such close friendships with other Clinton supporters such as Madonna, Roseanne, Streisand that she would is not pro-Obama. Plus -- there is no love lost between Rosie and Oprah the Obama-pusher.
Posted by: Divalicias | April 18, 2008 1:39 PM
Billary is losing Superdelegates by the handful each day. One in Ohio just turned from Billary to Obama.
Robert Reich and Sam Nunn too. The flood is coming folks...
Posted by: Bye Bye Billary | April 18, 2008 1:44 PM
Nash,
A NUN of course is now my middle name! lol I even know my herbs.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 1:44 PM
Hey...if Obama wins the nomination and selects Jay-Z as his VP...he will get my vote!!!!
LOLOLOL!!!
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| April 18, 2008 1:45 PM
The Clintons were not far enough Left for Robert Reich.
Posted by: GORDO | April 18, 2008 1:45 PM
Jamie: I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die. Now I hear that lonesome whistle, and hang my head and cry.
-Johnnie Nash
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 1:46 PM
Hillary people...
All the POPULAR kids are going to Obama's party.
-Nash
(Crawfordslist Junior Year Class President)
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 1:49 PM
This effort just did not need to happen....What a waste of time and effort. Military kids born overseas in a military command or hospital are elegible to be president of the US.
On the Hill
Senators Cross Party Lines to Remove Doubt on McCain’s Presidential Eligibility
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/18/us/politics/18web-hulse.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 1:50 PM
LOL @ nash
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| April 18, 2008 1:52 PM
LOL with nash and Linda.
nash your sense of humor is out of the park cute!
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 1:54 PM
I heard that Hillary is a slut. It's true. Her best friend told me. And she's so CONCEITED.
Nash
-Crawfordslist Varsity Cheerleader Co-Captain
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 1:55 PM
Bill only stays with Hillary because he's sorry for her. He'd break up with her but the last time he tried to she said she'd take sleeping pills. I was sitting behind her in English class and I'm sure I saw lice in her hair.
-Nash
(Crawfordlist Student Council President.)
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 2:03 PM
well, all. I have to admit - I really hate working. Thanks for the comments, and UB, for the record, I think anyone can handle being here however they want. I certainly wasn't trying to silence anyone, although I'd like to read less of some of the BS and more of the other, but that's me.
Guns, nash? I've had them on and off since I was a kid (even shot a few varmints, but nothing larger than a squirrell, and I inherited a small arsenal from my father the collector - (pistols from a derringer to a '45, rifles from a bb gun -not really a rifle - to a 30.06, and shotguns from a .410 tot 12 guage) - they are in a safe in my bro-in-law's basement. I guess if I was threatened I could drive the 10 hours it takes to get there, find my BIL, figure out which one I wanted to retrieve, find some ammo, drive back the 10 hours it takes to get home, and hope the sumbitch was still there.
You kids have fun - gotta run.
Posted by: pogo
| April 18, 2008 2:03 PM
Obama’s Obscene Gesture Is a Top Story at Fox News
"Just when you thought the Democratic race couldn’t get uglier, Barack Obama is being accused of giving Hillary Clinton the finger at a town hall meeting in North Carolina. …
“And I’d say Senator Clinton looked in her element,” he said. He paused. Then he raised his right hand and scratched his cheek with his middle finger. He smiled slightly, and the crowd cheered."
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/18/obamas-obscene-gesture-is-a-top-story-at-fox-news/
Posted by: GORDO | April 18, 2008 2:06 PM
Sheila: McCain could have been President, if we still controlled the Canal Zone. But since we gave it back to Panama, the "Zone" is now a foreign country, so McCain is not eligible to be President.
Someone should tell Keith Olbermann and Jon Stewart about this!
Posted by: nash
| April 18, 2008 2:07 PM
Nash
All you HS popular kids burn out and get old too fast for me. Besides, Cliques are so boring.
Not giving up but semi resigned to an Obama nomination. If it happens, it happens. If nothing else, I'll get to relax and do nothing but enjoy myself from Denver to November. There's a lot to be said for being totally uninvolved.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 2:09 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/18/opinion/18brooks.html?em&ex=1208664000&en=9cd7feb4e490e79e&ei=5087%0A
Op-ed : How Obama Fell to Earth
"He sprinkled his debate performance Wednesday night with the sorts of fibs, evasions and hypocrisies that are the stuff of conventional politics."
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 2:10 PM
102 years ago San Francisco quake and fire. Now we have an earthquake on the New Madrid Fault
http://quake.ualr.edu/public/nmfz.htm
If the Mississippi changes course from a big one as it did in 1812, we won't have to put up with political coverage for a while.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 2:13 PM
To the holy chorus of the Clinton Campaign,
Why wouldn't you be smirking during a debate with Hillary Clinton? Especially if you are thinking about the following:
1. I am in my first term as a US Senator and I am leading in the delegate count against the wife of the most popular Democratic president in the last 40 years.
2. I went from getting out raised 10 to 1 to now outraising you by a 2 to 1 margin.
3. People don't actually hate me the way they hate you. Republicans can just drop my name in a mailer and raise $20 Million in a day like they can with you.
4. Win or lose I proved I was better than you at running a campaign.
5. I could score more chicks than Bill...heck...look at how Chelsea is looking at me...
What I amazed at the most is that Clinton supporters will look to blame her bad campaign on everything else...Obama lies, the media bias etc. and not just declare that she ran a horrible campaign. Hillary would win this race today if she just took a very large slice of humble pie. She refuses to do so. As such, she will join the likes of George H.W. Bush, Gov. Ed Diprete, Mike Dukakis and countless others who squandered what were once considered insurmountable leads and lost elections.
For the record, Bush and Diprete are the only candidates I am aware of who went from 90% approval ratings to less than 50% within the same year.
Posted by: Bear
| April 18, 2008 2:16 PM
Craig Crawford..always enjoy your take on the issues..have you seen the MSNBC message board? you are on it..A Post "Where in the heck is Craig Crawford?...lot of positive comments..you need your own show and replace Matthews and Olbermann..take this to MSNBC...
Posted by: emmy | April 18, 2008 2:31 PM
Bear
1. I am in my first term as a US Senator and I am leading in the delegate count against the wife of the most popular Democratic president in the last 40 years.
Even though I'm totally unqualified for the job, my opponents lousy campaign, media bias, and public gullibility could elect me.
2. I went from getting out raised 10 to 1 to now outraising you by a 2 to 1 margin.
Congratulations. Good bragging rights for Axelrod and company for hiring someone who really understood the web.
3. People don't actually hate me the way they hate you. Republicans can just drop my name in a mailer and raise $20 Million in a day like they can with you.
Give people time. The Republicans will help them learn just like they did the Clintons.
4. Win or lose I proved I was better than you at running a campaign.
No contest. You had a lot of help, but you did.
5. I could score more chicks than Bill...heck...look at how Chelsea is looking at me...
Maybe. You are a good looking man. Of course, Michelle will be convicted of assassinating the President.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 2:34 PM
Obama, get ready for the "Clinton rules"
"As Wednesday's awful debate proves, it won't matter who the presidential nominee is -- the press will play footsie with McCain and attack the Democrat.
Playing gotcha with Democrats and patty-cake with Republicans will remain basic operating procedure for the mainstream media this year, no different from the past half-dozen presidential campaigns -- except that the additional bias in favor of John McCain may make a bad situation worse.
And as Barack Obama should have learned during the debate’s first 45 minutes, if not before, the same fuzzy but obsessive focus on "character" that plagues Bill and Hillary Clinton will be turned on him with equal or greater ferocity by those who once claimed to admire him. He is now subject to the "Clinton rules," which have long permitted pundits, editorialists and reporters to indict the former president and first lady for sins that other politicians, mostly Republican, may commit with impunity..."
http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2008/04/18/debate/
Posted by: GORDO | April 18, 2008 2:36 PM
I think Taking Debates away from "The League Of Women Voters" was a HUGE mistake anyway. They were non-political and impartial for a reason.
As soon as we can, the control needs to be taken back away from the Networks for good.
Both Candidates have not been served by all these illogical debate formats.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 2:37 PM
Re: McCain Resolution
I always thought that "natural born citizen" clause was the Founding Fathers' preemptive strike against stem cell research, or at least "test tube" babies.
Posted by: EdVB
| April 18, 2008 2:50 PM
Cute EdVB.....lol
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 2:52 PM
About the earthquake:
When I heard it was a 5.4, I assumed the Supreme Court was involved.
Posted by: EdVB
| April 18, 2008 3:11 PM
LOLOLOL Come back just in time for you to pull a badump! Badump!
Thanks Ed
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 3:12 PM
Now, I'm reading that it was a 5.2 earthquake.
Apparently, Justices Bader Ginsburg and Bryer recused themselves.
Posted by: EdVB
| April 18, 2008 3:16 PM
Oops, make that Justice Breyer, same as the ice cream.
Posted by: EdVB
| April 18, 2008 3:25 PM
Robert Reich will be on the Situation Room today with Blitzer.
I think MSNBC is going to show some of the Town Hall Meeting Obama is going to have in a few minutes.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 3:37 PM
April 18, 2008
Gallup Daily: Clinton Moves Within 3 Points of ObamaThursday night interviewing suggests Obama may have been hurt by debate
NJ -- Gallup Poll Daily tracking shows a tightening of the national Democratic race, with Barack Obama now holding just a 3-percentage point advantage over Hillary Clinton, 47% to 44%.
The ABC moderators are no worse than other networks. Blaming the media for a poor performance
kind of hypocritical in light of past comments about Senator Clinton.
Posted by: Lynn C | April 18, 2008 3:41 PM
Reich is an exceptionally bright individual and a true public servant. Of all the people that have lent their celebratory to Mr Obama, Reich's is the most meaningful.
His endorsement must be put in context with his other current blog writings. Taking it isolation of those writings will give people less than a total appreciation of the thought processes that led him to make it.
Despite the endorsement I fully expect that he will be offered a truly meaningful position in the Clinton Administration.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 18, 2008 4:02 PM
Flatus
I agree that the Reich endorsement could hurt Sen. Clinton. It is naturaly for him as he always was much farther left politically than the Clinton. He is still a great addition to any administration no matter which of the candidates win.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 4:13 PM
Fox News reports that Obama is outspending Hillary 5 to 1 on cable in PA. Setting records - trying to buy the nomination.
Posted by: GORDO | April 18, 2008 4:16 PM
Any Candidate would be foolish to not include Robert Reich's brain to solve our country's future.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 4:17 PM
How many people who are not obsessed with politics even know Robert Reich?
Posted by: GORDO | April 18, 2008 4:35 PM
Here is Real Clear Politics. The national average is Obama +6.8
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html#polls
Still, the race is tightening. 4 more days!
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 4:35 PM
Gordo,
This is one person that would be known my his looks and size, if anything else. ;0)
He's hard to forget.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 4:38 PM
"How many people who are not obsessed with politics even know Robert Reich?"
It's not that he's well known, but it's that he's referred to in the news as the sixth former and latest Bill Clinton cabinet member to endorse Obama. That's what looks and sounds bad for HRC
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 18, 2008 4:39 PM
The stink of desperation is heavy on Ho-Ho Dean.
Posted by: GORDO | April 18, 2008 4:40 PM
Fox News reports that Obama is outspending Hillary 5 to 1 on cable in PA. Setting records - trying to buy the nomination.
spend some more O'man
*as he reaches for his wallet and credit cards*
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 18, 2008 4:42 PM
Dean has been fair. Its hard being a leader.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 4:42 PM
Gordo,
Anyone familiar with Bill Clinton's bio would know about Reich and Oxford even if they didn't know about Reich from the Clinton administration.
Sheila,
Given the looks, brains, and sense of humor, I have to agree that truly wonderful things can come is small packages.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 4:44 PM
Dean has been next to useless and Pelosi and Reid have been worse.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 4:45 PM
Jamie,
Exactly! The one eternal shiney penny from the 1990's.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 4:47 PM
SDs are not fooled by this - it is a PR stunt because Obama cannot close the deal. SDs know Reich hates the Clintons. It was reported earlier today that Reich is coming out for Obama because of the Hillary's "Bitter" Ad in PA. Sure! Reich is a liar if he really said that - he has been sticking the "knife" in the Clintons for years and enjoying it every time.
Posted by: GORDO | April 18, 2008 4:56 PM
Ok Gordo,
Now your a liar. Robert Reich is the one person in the Democratic Party who has been light years above everyone in integrity.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 5:02 PM
Ok Gordo,
Now your a liar. Robert Reich is the one person in the Democratic Party who has been light years above everyone in integrity.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 5:02 PM
Gordo,
Reich isn't the sticking a knife in type. He has definite political disagreements with them. The Clintons are basically moderates. Reich is far left. He also wasn't pleased with the whole impeachment scenario. Even if it was for the most part trumped up by the Republicans, it was still Bill's shnanigans that made it possible, and Reich can be a bit priggish at times about such things.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 5:03 PM
Welll,,,,,guess it was time for the double post Jennie to get Sheila. ;0)
And I wasn't even trying.....
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 5:04 PM
Genie....not Jennie LOLOLOL
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 5:06 PM
A roundup of the latest polls all show the trends in Clinton's favor. Obama has outspent Clinton but it doesn't seem enough to convince voters.
Posted by: POLLCAT | April 18, 2008 5:08 PM
Jamie------------------
"Political" people (like those posting here) know Reich - most people would not have a clue. Ever hear the results from one of those basic knowledge tests?
Posted by: GORDO | April 18, 2008 5:08 PM
Sheila,
It's okay to say nice things twice about Robert Reich even without the genie.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 5:08 PM
Gordo,
Leno gets a lot of laughs out of Jay Walking. The general stupidity of the American public about a whole host of things never ceases to stun me, but I assume that the ones who were alive in the 90s with an IQ above a turtle at least recognized the name Robert Reich if not why they knew it.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 5:12 PM
Gordo,
Reich may not be as well known for regular people but he's known by the party elders. He is very well respected as a fair minded and above board Democrat. He's also an important mind for Democratic Economics.
Whoever wins the Nomination; expect Reich to be in either adminstration.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 5:13 PM
Gee Jamie,
I remember.....I remember that feeling of agreeing with you! Ahhhhhh.....feels good! lol
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 5:15 PM
Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun---------------
Fox News reported the reason for the endorsement. I've seen Reich shove in the knife and give it a twist. He does not do it every time, but often enough.
Posted by: GORDO | April 18, 2008 5:17 PM
Shorter Krugman to Obama -Grow Up
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/18/opinion/18krugman.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin
Posted by: Lynn C | April 18, 2008 5:17 PM
So Gordo,
You listen to FOX News a lot? I see....well that is your right of course.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 5:19 PM
Jamie------------------------
"I assume that the ones who were alive in the 90s with an IQ above a turtle at least recognized the name Robert Reich if not why they knew it."
I would not bet on that - how many people cannot name the VP, find the US. Europe or the Pacific Ocean on a map, etc.
Posted by: GORDO | April 18, 2008 5:28 PM
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/4/12/191838/014
Rank hypocrisy is the stink in the air.
Posted by: Lynn C | April 18, 2008 5:30 PM
Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun ------------------
Gov. Ed Rendell (D-PA): Fox News IS Fair and Balanced
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BspCUHqXME0
Posted by: GORDO | April 18, 2008 5:33 PM
Thanks for the Info GORDO
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 5:36 PM
4/18/2008
Exclusive Poll: Obama Loses Popularity With Pa. Men
Barack Obama lost ground among certain groups of voters in the battleground state of Pennsylvania during the last week, according to a new poll.
If the Democratic Primary were held in Pennsylvania Tuesday, Hillary Clinton would beat Obama by 18 percentage points, according to the results of a SurveyUSA poll conducted exclusively for NBC 10 and three other TV stations across the Keystone State.
http://www.nbc10.com/politics/15821754/detail.html
New Obama Campaign song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5O4TaXY2gE
Posted by: POLLCAT | April 18, 2008 5:47 PM
David Axelrod: "National polls mean nothing. The only ones that count are the state polls."
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/04/annie-get-your-gun-policy.html#comment-69751
Posted by: POLLCAT | April 18, 2008 5:53 PM
Jamie,
I enjoyed your responses. It has created a chicken v egg situation.
Does Clinton and by extension and her supporters hate Obama because he is just a better candidate or because he is an inferior candidate just running a better campaign.
Either way, I can understand your frustration. Nothing is worse than when your team just comes out and lays a stinker on the biggest stage...see the last super bowl to feel my pain.
Posted by: Bear
| April 18, 2008 5:55 PM
Btw,
A couple of locals took me to do my first skeet shots today...firing a shot gun is better than quality porn...it is such a rush. I am now on my way to becoming the most liberal member of the NRA.
Horsedooty, did you get any damage from yesterdays hail? It stripped the paint off our garage last night...lol
Posted by: Bear
| April 18, 2008 6:10 PM
Wow Bear! Stripped paint off? Shocked.
Don't think you would be alone. I shoot, still, to this day. I think uzzies and stuff should be off the board though. There are limits.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 6:13 PM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/docs/presidentialpollrelease041808b.html
Hilary's lead in indiana is dropping bigtime.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy7aPyNuPxA
Posted by: Weasel Hunter | April 18, 2008 6:25 PM
Bear,
Mark Penn did enormous damage to Hillary Clinton. This is a "change" election and he had her run an "old Pol" campaign despite advice from others who said that being a kind, thoughtfulintelligent female, with a good senate record and a lot of politicalknowledge and history was "change" enough. She didn't need to come across as a fierce Valkyrie screaming out speeches.
Since he left and her image has softened while her speeches become conversational, it is really helping. The big question is, "Is it too late?". Unfortunately, the Dems should have given us "The Dream Team" and an almost sure 12 - 16 year lock on the White House.
As it is with Obama, if he is the candidate and if he wins we will be lucky to get four.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 6:29 PM
Gordo, relax dude. First you aren't going to convince the faithful. They see what they want to see. There is a lot of bitterness left from the Clinton days when he excluded the Far Left and worked out Bills with the Republicans. The nerve of him to break Saddam's army with Desert Fox...LOL or reform welfare. Obama's not talking moving to the center, he's talking pushing forward his agenda like "breaking down the doors of segregation". He is our new half-black hope. Out adversaries abroad will likely embrace his election as they embrace Carter visit to Hamas...
By the time Americans really wake up, Obama might already be in the White House. The best we can do is to keep drawing the line between NeoLiberal and New Democrat. If Obama winds up the nomination, I suspect that by November, enough moderates will see through the charade and vote for McCain, If Obama wins anyway, expect his term to be quite memorable for all the reasons you and I have been stating. As he continues his typical mistakes and arrogance coupled with Pelosi and Reid, America will unfortunately be ready for a Reagan-type to emerge.
I suspect there is a significant undercurrent growing that the polls do not read. They have been monsterously wrong before. I would be quite surprised if Florida votes for Obama, or even Ohio. Against the backdrop of Obama's shiney new centrist ads will be the growing litany of garbage, associations and stuttering comments. Sad, I had originally hoped Obama was some kind of Black RFK. I sense a plastic hanger holding up and empty suit in a closet with others that belong to some unsavory types. I find the message quite phony. But then, that's just my take.
Republicans had some problems with Bill. Obama's threads will bring out quite a backlash and he isn't half the orator that Bill is when stumping as the Great Leader. But don't freak out Gordo, we have a penchant for self-inflicted wounds. We like learning the hard way....
Posted by: Maxtrue | April 18, 2008 6:39 PM
Weasel,
You might want to look at the most accurate of the polls. Survey USA has "slightly" different totals for Indiana
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=d8b46eaa-c463-408e-98d2-b830eb122d39
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 6:40 PM
Off Topic....whatever the topic was...one of our favorite Former REPS is getting married. ;0) I had no idea.
Overview
The fashion world is talking about Emily Threlkeld's pending marriage to Harold Ford Jr. Emily Threlkeld works for the fashion designer Carolina Herrera. Her engagement announcement made blogging headlines after it ran in the New York Post.
Recent Contributors: Tony, The_Zimbio_Team, FERGIEBABY, more... Updated: Apr-18-08 1:11pm
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 6:46 PM
Jamie,
Sorry to report that this Downs Center survey was:
Statement of Methodology: This SurveyUSA poll was conducted by telephone in the voice of a professional announcer.
Posted by: Weasel Hunter | April 18, 2008 6:48 PM
Welll some of us do! ;0) Your only one and thats a minority.... lol
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 6:53 PM
I guess the topic of gun control didn't get much traction today.
Everyone wants to be able to get one, but don't let the bad guys get any.....if you can buy anything you want in this country, the criminals and others will also find a way to get what they want.
I say make the laws tougher so the penalty isn't worth using that weapon.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 7:35 PM
I guess the topic of gun control didn't get much traction today.
Everyone wants to be able to get a gun, but don't let the bad guys get any.....if you can buy anything you want in this country, the criminals and others will also find a way to get what they want.
I say make the laws tougher so the penalty isn't worth using that weapon.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 7:37 PM
oop-say on the double post- say
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 7:38 PM
Jamie, as to the Dueling Indiana polls
It appears the Downs Center poll (which used SUSA)used its methodology to arrive at Obama up by 5
The SUSA poll for the media (which uses susa tag) has Hillary up by 16
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/4/18/155359/873
Posted by: Coreen | April 18, 2008 7:39 PM
Weasel and Coreen
It is the difference between Survey USA being on the top of the report and Survey USA being in the fine print. It's not "exactly" dishonest, but a survey can give a client any result they want, leaning wherever you want it favored.
It's like the song from 1776 when Richard Henry Lee explained favortism to John Adams:
They say that God in heaven is everybody's God
I'll admit that God in heaven is everybody's God
But I tell you, John, with pride, God leans
A little on the side of the Lees, the Lees of old Virgina!
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 7:52 PM
Mini-Superdelegate Friday Harvest for Clinton
"Two more superdelegates — Clinton-supporting former New Jersey Govs. Florio and Byrne — are added to the New York Senator’s tally after being chosen Thursday as the Garden State’s add-on superdels.
Earlier: Ohio Rep. Betty Sutton — also a superdelegate — announces she’s backing Clinton to follow the will of her constituents.
http://thepage.time.com/
Posted by: GORDO | April 18, 2008 7:59 PM
Burrito
In most states using a gun in the comission of a crime already does get you a stiffer sentence. Police are already being outgunned by the bad guys and the explosion of drug use has led to an explosion of gun possession. It's strange to think of the "good ol' Days" as being when gang members killed each other with knives.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 7:59 PM
Jamie said:at 7:52". . It's not "exactly" dishonest, but a survey can give a client any result they want, leaning wherever you want it favored."
I can imagine the contract:
Now therefore it is agreed that the Downs Center will pay to SUSA, ____ thousand dollars for a survey that will show B Obama is favored by voters in the IN dem primary by at least 5% points.
Makes sense to me.:)
Posted by: Weasel Hunter | April 18, 2008 8:01 PM
Last year on the back end of a public city bus I saw an advertisement for and private catholic school....the tag line was...................
"If you want a higher place in heaven"...... go here
We laugh about it all the time.....if it is true, we are screwed.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 8:01 PM
Higher place in Heaven......is that anything like gifts from santa in december?
Posted by: sturgeone | April 18, 2008 8:08 PM
The problem here is that the gangs are disorganized, and not main stream, meaning there are way too many and they do not have any code of conduct what so ever.
It's like taking a bunch of angry young people with guns and spinning them around until they have no idea where they are, then letting them loose to claim their corner.
The last report I read said there were 90+ gangs in this town.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 8:11 PM
or maybe it's like a nursing home which can afford walkers.........
Posted by: sturgeone | April 18, 2008 8:12 PM
I am not sure Sturge.
My life is all screwed up, my mother raised me not believing in a place called Hell.....so I have not worried all these years. Now to find out heaven has levels....I am floored.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 8:15 PM
"The Warriors" ........great nyc gang movie......based on the Anabasis of Xenophon about the Ten Thousand cast adrift in deepest Persia........
That's all I know about gangs.
Posted by: sturgeone | April 18, 2008 8:17 PM
Weasel,
It's not "quite" that blatant, but a great deal of ... leading ... can be done with the way a question is framed or the order in which it is asked.
Campaigns have polls that the public never sees that often tell them things they definitely don't want the public to know. It would be really really interesting to get a peak at what the Clinton and Obama folks are viewing.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 8:18 PM
How about a nursing home with segways ?
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 8:19 PM
Maybe there are escalators and you can visit different levels on occasion........like Macy's
Posted by: sturgeone | April 18, 2008 8:19 PM
Mr. Fish,
I get gifts from Santa every year. Did you do something naughty to get dropped from the list?
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 8:24 PM
I hope the highest levels of heaven aren't filled with the same people the highest levels of society, academia, and government are......
Posted by: sturgeone | April 18, 2008 8:26 PM
Jamie...........compare the signatures.........It could be a set-up.........
Posted by: sturgeone | April 18, 2008 8:28 PM
Yes heaven is one huge department store.....with really nice bags.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 8:33 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/16/business/16bags.html?_r=1&st=cse&sq=lord+and+taylor+shoppingbag+&scp=1&oref=slogin
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 8:39 PM
went to the chinese restaurant last night and I think the owner is prejudiced.......axed him who he's voting for and he said, "Ba-lack Obama".
Posted by: sturgeone | April 18, 2008 8:58 PM
that is funny : )
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 9:04 PM
Well, it seems as if there may be some real journalists
left in the msm. Harris & vandehei at politico have
taken it upon themselves to take their brethren to task
for their fawning over Obama--especially the manner
in which the media has come to the defense of obama
since the abc debate.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9718.html
They actually name names--do you think they will be welcome on the cable talk shows in the forseeable future?!
Posted by: Coreen | April 18, 2008 9:05 PM
Bear,
We were on the west side eating at the Wan Fu Chinese restaurant when the storm hit. Lots of dime size hail wind and very large rain drops. We finished eating and were allowed to stay for a bit by the owners and when we left it had quit hailing but the rain was still coming down quite heavily. Driving down Camp Bowie was weird but nothing happened. On I 30 heading east, no one was on the highway. Sorta spooky. Made it home and the power was still on and it rained for another hour or so. We did not have much of the wind and not too much of the hail. So, we made out pretty good really. We did not have any damage.
yo soy Horsedooty!
Posted by: yo soy Horsedooty!
| April 18, 2008 9:11 PM
It will not matter Coreen, because the internet and satellite will demolish network television as we know it.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 9:14 PM
senor pescado said, "I hope the highest levels of heaven aren't filled with the same people the highest levels of society, academia, and government are......"
I don't think I will ever find out who is at the highest levels Mr Pescado. You reckon you will? :)
yo soy Horsedooty!
Posted by: yo soy Horsedooty!
| April 18, 2008 9:16 PM
Coreen,
I had this fantasy today where if I had the production power, I would sit where they couldn't see me behind every on air personality on MSNBC and quietly raise my hand every time they used a slanted statement or weighted adjective that favored Obama over Clinton ... and then they would be forced to sit down and view themselves and my raised hand while I commented just before handing them their pink slips for being totally incompetent news people.
I don't mind fair negative coverage but what has been done in this campaign is absolutely criminal.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 9:21 PM
Here's a great question: who do you trust for news?
Think about it....then you may see a huge societal problem
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 9:22 PM
same page sister !
It is like we are a third world country with propaganda as news.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 9:24 PM
Well we better have some one watching the vote in Pennsylvania next week.
Two counties are using the Sequoia AVC Advantage touchscreen voting machines.
They had a ton of problems with them in New Jersey and we know how easy it is to hack them.
"Here's the big question: When the integrity of the vote is at stake, shouldn't voting machine malfunctions in one state be brought to the attention of another state that uses the same machines?"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jacob-soboroff/pa-officials-no-trouble-w_b_97273.html
If the exit polls are way off in the two counties using these than I don' t think that I'll believe the tallied votes are accurate.
I don't know where these counties lie or him they would favor and I really don' t care. All I care about is election results that are accurate and not the result of fraud.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| April 18, 2008 9:26 PM
Eartquake this morning sounded like sleet hitting the side of my bedroom or a thousand mice crawling in the walls.Had no idea it had been an earthquake until I heard it on the news.We live in northern part of state.Our bed didn't shake like some people claimed.
I agree with the other Clinton supporters.I could never vote for Obama because of his arrogance and disrespect for the Clinton Presidency which gave us good times and a budget surplus.I am a conservative Democrat and Obama is far too liberal for me.I will write in Clinton's name because I can't vote for McCain either but McCain is moderate so I could live with him as president.I still will get a bumper sticker saying don't blame me I voted for Hillary.
But I still think she can win! There was an actor on the View this morning who played Thurgood Marshall and I didn't hear the question he was asked but his answer was she is the smartest woman on earth.Was he talking about Hillary.Did anyone see it.
Ruth
Posted by: painter
| April 18, 2008 9:26 PM
Hillary Clinton on Larry King on Monday night. That should be worth watching the night before the PA primary
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 9:27 PM
You know even if you think is fraudulent you could not come close to the funds needed to challenge the system.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 9:29 PM
"or him they would favor"
Should have read "or whom they would favor".
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| April 18, 2008 9:30 PM
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Posted by: painter
| April 18, 2008 9:33 PM
This great thing about a Larry King interview is that he is "wise" enough to see through the bull sh@t, I think it will be a great interview. They both are seasoned and respectful.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 9:34 PM
Painter,
Remember that even a moderate like McCain will be beholden to the conservative wing of the republican party to appoint more conservatives to the supreme court and {Poof} there goes a woman's right to choose.
Just something to think about.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 9:36 PM
It must be difficult to be in that position, because she in not totally losing, she has a lot of support, so what should she do?
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 9:38 PM
So we have a Republican who wants to keep us in Iraq for a hundred years.
A Democrat who says we will use Nuclear Weapons if any country {not just Iran} if they wage war against any Middle East country { or Israel} establishing a Imperial Colony and possibly taking us into a Nuclear World War.
Then we have another Democrat who wants to use Diplomatic means to keep us out of Wars {Especially Nuclear Wars}.
So which one sounds more sane?
Do you want to be in Iraq for a hundred years?
Do you want an Imperial Presidency with a Middle East Colony?
Of do you want to restore Our Honor, Integrity, Constitution and Moral Compass that Our Forefathers left for us as well as Respect around the World?
Who you decide to vote for will answer those questions and will determine what becomes of the America we were born into that is now dead.
The choice after all is yours and nobody else's.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| April 18, 2008 9:41 PM
she can't be the smartest woman on earth ....because that is my daughter : )
sorry already taken
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 9:46 PM
Anon-p,
Your summation was eloquent tonight.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 9:47 PM
painter----------------------
Laurence Fishburne
http://abc.go.com/daytime/theview/index
Posted by: GORDO | April 18, 2008 9:48 PM
I think that she would be the type to say, right away "it's politics" and move on. I do not think she will see any value in holding a grudge.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 9:49 PM
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Posted by: painter
| April 18, 2008 9:49 PM
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Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 9:50 PM
Thank you Sheila....
Of course that's my opinion and I'm sure there are many here who disagree with it.
Like I said we will all determine our fate ourselves and only we will be responsible for what happens now to our country.
Disclaimer: That is if we have elections and were not already in another war or under Martial Law.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| April 18, 2008 9:51 PM
Painter My Friend,
I'm curious about the alphabet?
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 9:51 PM
sorry I just got pissed off... a tad bit
f is just the beginning of something worse
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 9:52 PM
LOLOLOL Burrito....
But really, Painter AKA Ruth posts single letters. I was just curious as to their meaning.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 9:54 PM
sorry for the double post
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 9:58 PM
Excited Ms Burrito? LOL
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 9:58 PM
Sheila,
McCain who has always been a moderate and a maverick faced with an overwhelmingly Democratic Congress and the probability of only serving one term, just might surprise both you and his party by telling his right wing that he has to work with Congress and they can take a hike.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 10:02 PM
Thanks Gordo
I went to site and asked them will have to wait for reply.I am amazed at how many of you can refer the rest of us to sites to get information so Quickly.
Ruth
Posted by: painter
| April 18, 2008 10:04 PM
Jamie,
I am going to ere on the side of caution. I would think others would at least consider the reality of what I posed.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 10:05 PM
Just takes practice Ruth. All of us had to start somewhere. ;0)
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 10:07 PM
It depends on how much more defense and visible support Obama needs.
I certainly didn't feel "Bitter".... ;0)
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 10:13 PM
Sheila,
Gotta stick with my lady. I don't want McCain, but if I get stuck with him, I want him facing a veto proof Congress. At the rate Republicans are retiring, that shouldn't be difficult.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 10:13 PM
Well....if you ever change your mind, Miss Sheila will be waiting to welcome you into the fold. ;0)
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 10:16 PM
Ruth,
Most of us have be googling for ages. Once you get the hang of it, pulling up references are fairly easy. A lot of us have political sites in favorites, so that is easy to find.
It's like getting to Carnegie Hall ... practice, practice, practice.
lol
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 10:16 PM
Nun
Lol The only way I can continue reading posts Is to post again because I am blocked out after I post.So I just hit any letter and walla the blog continues.If I sign in at say 5:00 then I van not read any posts after that time unless I post so I just type a letter and it brings me up to present time.
Ruth
Posted by: painter
| April 18, 2008 10:17 PM
that's okay, a friend has a place up in the theater district, I just thought if there was some other place it might be fun.
Thanks anyway. : )
My daughter want me to go some where to have "real rhamine"
I do not even know how to spell it.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 10:17 PM
hmmmm.....try pressing preview and you will probably be able to read others before posting again.....just a thought.
BTW, I thought it was some kind of creative thing you were doing... lol
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 10:24 PM
Never mind Ruth, that's not the answer either.
Have you written to the CQ Techs?
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 10:27 PM
okay - let's just face the fact that is may be a Obama v. McCain ticket.
McCain who actually visited my town, vs. Obama who was in the city.
McCaine : did Q and A
Obama: stump speech
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 10:27 PM
I also feel McCain will not toe the party line because the Repubs have turned their backs on him.So he does not owe the far right anything.And he will need Dems to get elected.He has the turncoat Leiberman at his side who doesn't owe dems anything either so maybe the two of them could work well with the middle.
I don't think anything will change with Roe because he will need dems to confirm any new judge and it would be very hard to get an extremist in.In 4 yrs dems will have another chance to get whitehouse.
Posted by: painter
| April 18, 2008 10:29 PM
Ruth -- Fishburne called Whoopi Goldberg the "smartest woman on earth>" He said that's why he calls her Dr. Whoopi.
Note Whoopi is a Clinton supporter, so she must be smart.
Posted by: Divalicias | April 18, 2008 10:30 PM
You're right AP, it was untrue.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 18, 2008 10:34 PM
Do you think that John McCain has any idea about what the soldiers need before , during and after combat?
Or do you think he is just like Bush, who never serve a day in his life?
This is a huge difference - and the military families feel it and know it.
I do not think that that McCain will have any trouble making sure people do not think he is another Bush.
just saying
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | April 18, 2008 10:37 PM
I want our troops home too and I don't believe McCain wants more of our men and women killed or injured.No matter who gets in we are not going to be able to pull out very easily.Both dems know this too but have to pander to get elected.Bush and Cheney have created a no win situation and it would be irresponsible to just go home after we destroyed the country and disbanded the army.I think Hillary and McCain will try diplomacy.I don't think Obama knows what he would do.
Posted by: painter
| April 18, 2008 10:40 PM
I agree with you, Burrito.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 18, 2008 10:41 PM
Thanks Diva I am glad to hear Whoopi supports Hillary.Seems like smart AA are supporting Hillary.lol!
Ruth
Posted by: painter
| April 18, 2008 10:45 PM
Sen McCain understands the military.
Sen Clinton has made great strides in understanding the military.
Sen Obama, from his statements, show little understanding of the military.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 18, 2008 10:48 PM
If my son or daughter were in the military now, what would I think. Who knows their struggles? Who knows the fear?
I have three close friend in the military now - it is scary -not a game. That is why they will vote McCain-he is one of them.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 10:49 PM
Respectfully Flatus,
That is your opinion. Not the facts.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 10:49 PM
Dooty,
Glad you made it home okay...is Wan Fu in the plaza that has CVS & Ross? How is their food. I still can't find good chinese in this area.
I notice that Harold Ford is engaged to a white woman and he has angered black women by not choosing one of them...God fucking help you if you are a black man and you don't want to marry a black woman. All of a sudden you are a sell out. At what point will women realize that you marry the woman that falls in love with you? I don't know how many times I have had "sistas" turn up their noses because I spoke to them in complete sentences, wore my baseball cap correctly and chose to wear clothes without the tags hanging off them... Halle Berry gets knocked up by a white guy and they don't seem to have a problem with that...
and they wonder why they are all single...
Posted by: Bear
| April 18, 2008 10:51 PM
Burrito,
I have one in and he and his compadres are going to vote Obama. I call them patriots too.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 10:51 PM
Flatus,
Thank you for your agreeable comment.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 10:52 PM
Wow Bear. What a statement. Thats deep enough to contemplate for a while.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 10:53 PM
Anderson Cooper just did a really fair but nice profile of Hillary Clinton. I don't know if there is a podcast on CNN, but it is worth watching.
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 10:55 PM
Burrito,
I have a couple of friends who were in Iraq multiple terms and they refuse to vote for McCain because he has constantly voted against bills that would have provided financing for things soldiers in the field need. Mind you these soldiers were all for going when the war started.
Also don't underestimate the fact that soldiers tend to look down on pilots. They never liked the fact that pilots were the glory boys while they could kill miles away from the point of attack. They will tell you it's a big difference pulling the trigger when the enemy is in your rifle site instead of a heads up display at 30,000 feet
Posted by: Bear
| April 18, 2008 10:57 PM
Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun,
I have nothing but respect for you. And if your insiders want Obama that's okay. I only have access to a small sampling.
I am more envious of your shooting experience - and never mind the cooking, you could lift my husband in a second and I would be left here on the blog.
Bear : you make very solid points, it is all very complicated
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 11:03 PM
Sheila,
Within my extended family, anyone who happens to be married or in a committed relationship happens to be in an interracial one. It's the norm for me. It was never pushed on any of us but that just seemed to be a by products of living the suburban life.
I am so sick of the complaint that " you ain't black if you ain't from the hood crap".
It's actually a reason I would like to see a debate focus on affirmative action because I tend to agree with the Obama assessment that any provisions should be based on economic and not racial status...
Posted by: Bear
| April 18, 2008 11:04 PM
Flatus...
A Military is for Defense only. Today the Military in and of itself is for one thing and only one thing.
WAR!!! DEATH!!! DESTRUCTION!!!
There have been many great Army's and the Nations they belong to eventually ended up destroying themselves. Think Rome.
When your biggest budget item is the Military, its weapons and cost to occupy Nations you have conquered eventually you can no longer support your own citizens and your government will collapse.
Russia was humbled in Afghanistan and brought to its knees by the cost in lives and treasure. How much longer do you believe we can continue down this path before we end up a third world country?
That is if we don't start a Nuclear War.
Pakistan, Afghanistan, China and Russia all have Nuclear Bombs. Between China, Russia and us there are enough bombs to destroy the World. Is that what you want?
If it is than I say go ahead and vote for McCain or Hillary, but don't be or act surprised if it happens, War that is.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| April 18, 2008 11:05 PM
"Bush names former pest-control exec as housing secretary"
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/34205.html
LOL
The joke that come to mind are endless.
I pity comedy writers, after this administration leaves they will have to work for a living.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 18, 2008 11:07 PM
ok....I am going to plant a seed..........................
Las Vegas (election night) anyone up for that ?
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 11:08 PM
and he will not win those red caucus states he won in primary.So don't blame Hillary supporters when Obama loses
Posted by: painter
| April 18, 2008 11:09 PM
Bear I agree with you whole heartedyly. I was just comparing your statement to an old flame of mine who says that same thing. ;0)
I am there with your assesment too.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 11:09 PM
LOL Burrito, What do you mean by lifting? LOL I imagine what happens when I let loose with a 45 caliber. lol Up up and away.
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 11:12 PM
Bear,
Wan Fu is in the shopping center that is just east of the big MacDonalds on Camp Bowie and is next to a 99 cent store I always turn south at Hilldale and go in the parking lot as soon as I am able. The rest is at the west end of the shopping center. I like it and of the Chinese places I go to I like Wan Fu the best. I really like the Egg Drop soup. Has a nice thick consistency. Pretty generous servings also and the food is served hot which I like. I like the Pepper Steak and Onion meal. I usually take some home. Only gripe is you have to order the egg roll separately. Sometimes I forget. I think it has a nice atmosphere. It is sorta fancy at night with cloth napkins. Actual Chinese folks run the place. My big joke is when the wife introduced me to the place I said Wan Fu over the Coocoos Nest. Pretty lame, I know. 411.com says the address is 6399 Camp Bowie. Try it you might like it. It has been so long since I ate Chinese on the east coast I really can't compare anymore. When I was at Mass Art in Boston we used to go to China Town to eat cause we could eat really cheap. This is not that way. I think our bill for the wife and I the other night was about 9 dollars a piece. so we spent just under 25 with a nice tip.
yo soy Horsedooty!
Posted by: yo soy Horsedooty!
| April 18, 2008 11:14 PM
"old flame"
that is one term everyone understands
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 11:14 PM
painter...
"and he will not win those red caucus states he won in primary."
Would you please tell me what Fortune Teller your using who told you this?
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| April 18, 2008 11:15 PM
and he will not win those red caucus states he won in primary.So don't blame Hillary supporters when Obama loses
Posted by: painter | April 18, 2008 11:09 PM
the beauty of politics and a presidential campaign is you just don't know what will happen.
Especially THIS Presidential Race...its just not going the way any of the old war horses have tried to predict, based on 60 years old trend. ;0)
The next generation of voters are going to show us how the political map will be drawn. Certainly Not what we are used to.
And if I might add. Back in the late 60's and early 70's, there was not way of understanding that the Republican Map would be redrawn in the south. The "DixieCrats" were not expecting it.
So Ruth, never say these states won't go blue. because with the state of the minds and emotions of our people, we just don't know what will happen until it happens. Not a poll alive can predict right now, Right?
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 11:18 PM
Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun,
Oh no , he likes to cook ....you could lift him with a recipe.....the bad thing is he is really cute. I forget about this because I am married to him.
If i am not careful someone could get him......LOLOOLLOLO
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 18, 2008 11:20 PM
Sheila...
How so true. I have faith still in the American People and hope and pray that's its not misplaced.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| April 18, 2008 11:21 PM
OH....LOLOLOL Good one. Keep that one close. He may be cute, but is he sweet? Do you want to grow old with him? ;0)
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 11:22 PM
Anon-P,
You know me. Having faith in the American People can never be misplaced. We may get it wrong once or twice, but never three times in a row. We are all about correcting our course!
Posted by: Chef Sheila Hussein The Nun
| April 18, 2008 11:36 PM
Bear
Your comment earlier about being a liberal NRA member reminds me of one of my sisters.
She always said, I'm Rush Limbaugh's worsed nightmare, a feminist armed with a loaded AK47.
if you think shooting big guns is fun, you ought to try blowing things up with dynamite. Lots of fun, as long as you remember anything blown up into the air will come down. Murphy tells us the odds are that it will come down on your head.
Which reminds me of a story,. but that will have to wait for a time when we meet in person. It is too long for here.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 18, 2008 11:38 PM
Burrito
Just for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPeon3AOKxQ
Posted by: Jamie
| April 18, 2008 11:41 PM
I saw Newt Gingrich discussing Obama supporters - he was grinning. Karl Rove is happy. Why?
Posted by: GORDO | April 18, 2008 11:48 PM
This story here about the Paraguay election
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/34161.html
Reminds me that the world does look up to us as a good example and the current administration has not only let us down but also the world.
Bedtime nite all
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | April 18, 2008 11:49 PM
Hey Jack...
Der Fuhrer Bush bought property there and I always believed that when the World liberates us that Bush would go to Paraguay like Hitlers Nazi's did.
They have no extradition treaty with us IIRC and he probably believes he's be safe there. However like the other Nazi's who hide out there found out that no matter where they tried to hide out the Nazi Hunters tracked them down and brought them to the Hague to stand trial for their War Crimes.
A new political party could open it up for someone to render Bush and\or others who move there more likely to being caught.
We can pray, can't we?
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| April 19, 2008 12:04 AM
Newt thought he was the ext in line...at the last minute the story changed.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 19, 2008 12:15 AM
it was a weird set reasons - everything fell out of place
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 19, 2008 12:21 AM
I am trying to be better people everyday.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| April 19, 2008 12:30 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5YBipbBFlkE
Posted by: Bear
| April 19, 2008 1:14 AM
senor pescado said, "I hope the highest levels of heaven aren't filled with the same people the highest levels of society, academia, and government are......"
I don't think I will ever find out who is at the highest levels Mr Pescado. You reckon you will? :)
yo soy Horsedooty!
Sr Caballo.......well, now you mention it, I suppose I'm just hoping for an apartment on the outskirts of town.....
Posted by: sturgeone | April 19, 2008 6:25 AM
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