Doing the "hard work behind the scenes" is pretty much the role to which many Democratic women are typically relegated. This would not sit well with me or my friends who've toiled in the DEM vineyards, decade after decade, always backing the male leaders who step into the spotlight and claim the credit for the fruits of our labor. VP is the ultimate glass ceiling. Will the wimmin folks riot? Probably not. We'll just quit -- then who will organize all those precincts and staf all those phone banks?
Time for work and travel to the snowy regions of Michigan for the weekend. See you guys tonight and all day Saturday being snowed in maybe.
I think Senator Clinton would be better served as Vice President, rather than senator, if she can't overcome the obvious. The Delegate count. If she can, than Vice versa. I think Obama would be better served that way too.
Both are changing the face of Politics. Both should keep going on one ticket for the American People.
Sheila, I see putting Mrs Clinton in as VP as letting all the women who have made men successful, that she's only good enough to serve coffee in the White House.
As i am running out the door. There is the difference. I had quite a hard time paving the way for women too. I do want to see a woman in. But not just any woman and I see too many red flag warnings for this woman at this time.
I think her dynasty needs checking before she enters the White House again. I've been reading up on her and her husbands dealings with Middle east and Far east Large contributers in the last 10 years. Its public and this questionable.
I didn't like Bush being in the pockets of middle east oil and I don't like the Clintons being in the pockets of Dubai....
been checking and if Rezko is the only slip of Obama compared to what is on the Clinton dockets.
Obama's Senior Foreign Policy Adviser Calls Clinton a 'Monster'
"In the second time in two days, a senior foreign policy adviser, steps in it. Yesterday it was Susan Rice who said Obama wasn't ready to answer a 3:00 phone call, asserting that Clinton wasn't either. Now, according to The Scotsman, Samantha Power has taken it one step further calling Clinton a "monster."
Ms Power told The Scotsman Mrs Clinton was stopping at nothing to try to seize the lead from Mr Obama.
"We f***** up in Ohio," she admitted. "In Ohio, they are obsessed and Hillary is going to town on it, because she knows Ohio's the only place they can win.
"She is a monster, too – that is off the record – she is stooping to anything," Ms Power said, hastily trying to withdraw her remark.
This is not the first time Obama's team has screwed up on international relations in the last week or so; adding Rice and Goolsbee, it's a hat-trick. It's getting to be a habit with them."
"In December, Obama said he had "been very clear to my campaign. I do not want to see research that is involved in trying to tear people down personally. If I find out that somebody is doing that, they will be fired. And I have been absolutely crystal clear about this, and I have been clear about this for a very long time."
Would this count? Should Power be fired by the Obama standard?"
Christopher Althouse Cohen, emails about his own experience caucusing in Austin, Texas:
An unusual thing happened to me on the way to my polling location. I was walking to the school, and there was a group of Obama supporters holding up signs on the front of the school yard. I walked from the side of the yard to the front entrance, but I was wearing a large Hillary button, and one of the Obama supporters ran across the school yard so he could catch me well before I got to the door. He asked if I was here to vote and I, not stopping to talk to him, continued walking but said I already voted and I was going to caucus. It was 6:40 or so and both campaigns advised their supporters in all their mailings to show up early (at 6:30 or 6:45) to avoid potentially being shut out when the doors closed at 7:15. The Obama supporter said, "Oh, well the caucus is at 7:15," implying that I should leave and come back then. If I had done that and tried to show up at 7:15, I would likely have been shut out, because the doors closed then.
I just talked to a Hillary supporter online who said that he was standing in line at 7:15 and that the line was long enough so that he was standing outside, even though they had showed up early. The Obama precinct captain on the inside was demanding that everyone still standing outside, including him, be shut out, and everyone outside started arguing with the Obama supporters on the inside. Eventually, they were let in. He told me that a friend of his was in tears over the phone, because at her location Obama supporters were literally pushing Clinton supporters away from the sign-in sheets that were later used for the official vote tallies.
This news story says that there was a complaint of Obama precinct captains filling in "Obama" after every signature that left the presidential preference spot blank.
The sign-in sheets were confusing. I was unofficially in charge of the sign-in list, though there was an Obama precinct captain standing over me, talking to every single voter at the time, and I can say that a large portion of the people signing in found it hard to read and weren't sure if this was when they actually declared their support for a candidate, so I can see why some people might leave it blank. I'll attach a copy of what the sign-in sheet looked like.
This was posted on a blog listed on huffpo.
No intended slam to BHO - just lightening it up.
How many Obama supporters does it take to change a lightbulb? None, by the time Obama becomes prez, lightbulbs will light themselves..
Y'all have a good day..
Q: How many Republicans does it take to screw in a light bulb?
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A: Two: one to deny that it's gone out, and one to say that it's the Clinton administrations fault.
There is now a petition for the resignation of Howard Dean regarding MI and Fl..
Fl will probably get seated without a redo, but Mi is up in air. Hillary is calling for let stand.. Obama name was on the ticket and he took it off, so - shucks - his problem.. The primary was all done fair and square. I agree it should stand as is...
Lou Dobbs has now renamed Naftagate as Obamagate..
I am not in agreement with Craig about HRC taking the VP spot or her being the Cheney of the Obama administration. That kind of analysis just feeds all the myths about her and women.
It is our time and we have the most qualified person. As someone else posted look at "the above the fray bunch" and their personal, demeaning remarks re HRC. They didn't win. They know she stopped them and with the new litter of pups we are going all the way.
He's got a lot of good advice for Dems in this column. I hope we'll listen.
From Tapper's article:
"Statement from Samantha Power: These comments do not reflect my feelings about Sen. Clinton, whose leadership and public service I have long admired. I should not have made these comments and I deeply regret them. It is wrong for anyone to pursue this campaign in such negative and personal terms. I apologize to Sen. Clinton and to Sen. Obama, who has made very clear that these kinds of expressions should have no place in American politics."
Sounds like Goolsbee, only apologetic - at least Power acknowledges that she said what she said during her descent into honesty rather than deny it like Goolsbee. I guess she's never heard the old adage that you can't unring a bell.
Howard Dean knew when he drew line in sand that the decision was not being made by Dems, but by repugs. HRC kept her name on ballot in MI and FL, BO took his name off, oops bad decision. Oh, he also had campaign ads non-stop in FL oops bad decision.
Let the delegates at least in FL stand. 1.7 million voters how can they deny that.
Craig - video trailmix this morning is really great.
I agree with the elaine and diva...only Obama supporters refuse to see the big picture (probably mostly out of hatred than anything else)
16 year plan is in play. Hillary takes it...Obama has a chance to mature, gets some foreign policy experience, first hand executive branch experience. You take that...and the other qualities that have been working for him (but are starting to not be enough), he's unbeatable in 2016 and the Dems can maintain the WH for 16 years.
I have my doubts the Dem superDs will be able to think in this broad of terms. The men of the party in particular. They had hoped Nanci Pelosi becoming speaker would keep the girls at bay and they could maintain the leadership of the party overall. Now they are poopin' their pants that Hillary has done this well and a woman could be the leader of the party. So it will be impossible for them to see how they could form a ticket that would maintain the WH for the Party overall for 16 years.
My hope is that there are enough enlightened male superDs to negotiate this - but given the "star" male names beating the drum for Obama...it's going to be difficult.
In the end...the Dem's will have John Kerry to blame - AGAIN - for their demise in November.
More good news for Hillary - everyone will get to vote in Puerto Rico.
"[Puerto Rico will] change the voting process from 8 caucuses to a primary with voting places in all 1,800+ barrios in Puerto Rico's 78 municipalities. This is done in light of the hundreds of thousands of Democrats expected to turn out on June 1, a late date in which we would have originally expected a pro-forma vote with low turnout. [...]
The change was approved unanimously by all members present, including many Clinton supporters (such as State Chair Prats and myself) and many Obama supporters.
The rationale? There's no way we could handle more than a few tens of thousands of voters in eight district caucuses, while we can handle a million voters (at least 500 voters between 8am and 3 pm per polling place in each of 1,800+ barrios) in a primary."
The Obama campaign digging up the misstatement by Hillary from October and turning it into ads, etc. is going to be pretty affective against her in Mississippi.
She should go down there and campaign for a couple of days and give it the "ole college try" but she shouldn't expect too much out of there.
I think they should throw a lot of effort into Wyoming and see if they can pull of some kind of upset Saturday and at least split the news cycle with O'.
Funny how Bosnia is the one big exception to the Powers rule which she knows Hillary pushed and she down plays it in her book blasting Bill over Rowanda. She ignores the Republican opposition and the unfair claims the military made on Clinton regarding Somalia which they later retractied following thier in-house examination. She makes the case for Hillary yet uses the same term she uses for those responsible for genocide. Such balance is sorely needed in the Obama camp. This is the person that pushes human rights trumps national security. Noah POllack does a good job, though who can argue that genocide ought to be stopped.
Funny you don't hear Powers blast Carter for not calling Darfur genocide. Hillary, not Obama, has called for real action in Darfur. McCain will sanction China over the Sudan. And I would love to ask Powers who is most abused in the world. Women, so perhaps her monster remark is even uglier than she thinks. Obama should toss her, but having head-hunted to find her, he won't. If Hillary said such things, she would be branded a racist. Another sporting the JFK label.
Malley, Powers, Zbig and Rice. And look who Powers says runs the Middle East job.
The article pogo posted is a good read...especially for those who want to look at the perceived "black and whiteness" (no pun intended) of the "so called" hard pledged delegate numbers.
There is a lot of gray in between that the Democratic superDs better take into consideration when forming their ticket for November or they'll lose the election and be stuck with at minimum 4 more years of Republicans.
I think all Obama supporters should use Hussein and if he becomes the candidate...all Democrats should adopt as their signature. It highlights the silliness of the right,
The video trail mix is great .
Off topic but pretty funny, I recently ran across this food blog due to a referene to bacon vodka...today's is even better. http://www.browniepointsblog.com/
"gets some foreign policy experience, first hand executive branch experience. "
Also to be considered, as VP he would be President of the Senate. That is the perfect spot to be watching the sausage being made on legislation and the herding of nominees to confirmation. Four or eight years of that combined with his street level and state level experience and you have a virtually unbeatable resume.
I agree with AP on this one. The FL delegates should be seated as is...Obama's name was on the ballot and he did have ads running - someone in FL yesterday they heard his voice and saw his face quite often.
MI is a different story - they should be seated but I also think they should be a do-over. I think just splitting it 50-50 will still disenfranchise voters (since Hillary won 55% or something like that). Giving them the way they are isn't fair to O' since he took his name off the ballot, not seating them hurts the Dems in Nove. A new primary in MI would resolve the issue...
I know they say in FL it would cost 25mil...has anyone seen estimates for MI?
Hi Sheila...for whenever you get back online: I just read your final response in the "screen name debate" from late last night, and understand what you're saying. So fair enough. :)
Obama broke the rules in Fla,Clinton did not
He was in Fla for a fundraiser in Sept when he "hinted" he would seat the delegation. He was there the day after the ban went into effect. And he held a press conference. And when challenged on it got huffy.
AP, I know you don't think this means anything, but this is what triggers the continuity directive in NSPD51.
"Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions; "
The "extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage or disruption" is a threshold - but who knows how that's determined? A couple hours poring over the directive might help, but not from what I saw skimming it.
Wendy! (Or should I say Hill?) Hillary doesn't stand much chance in MS - it is a very poor, conservative, backward state in much of the state, (not unlike my own home state) with a high percentage of black voters and Kluckers. Not a good electoral backdrop for her. Even the pollsters are staying away. The black voters will undoubtedly break for Obama in the high 80s & 90s, like everywhere else, and the 3 dem Kluckers in the state will vote against Clinton on principle - after all, she's the wife of the first black president, isn't that what they say? The repug Kluckers won't need to cross over for Obama to win, so they may not. I wouldn't invest a lot of time and effort there - except along the coast and in Jackson to try and pick up a few votes. There are other, better opportunities to spend money in between now and June.
Please post a link that shows him here campaigning.
Hillary was here the Saturday or Sunday just before the Primary.
The rules said no campaigning, he didn't campaign. I'm not really sure about fund raising though, however he did no fund raising events in Florida that I'm aware of once the Primary dates were set.
I in the mean time will look and see if Hillary showed up in Florida before the dates were set as well. She did show up like I said above two or three days before the Primary.
AP, your post hoc explanation of Obama and Edwards' actions in MI & FL is fiction, makes no sense and I submit is based on nothing but your opinion. If he left his name on the FL ballot as a countermeasure, why didn't he do the same thing in MI? His gaming of the system in FL made Hillary's look amateurish and naive.
I really am unsure about how one buys national ads and if you can exclude a particular area or state from them running in.
Was this more of him not knowing that they may play in Florida? I don't know.
Since he never ran for a national office that I know of it could have been an error and he was not given the information that would have let him know they might show up in Florida.
I'm not making any excuses for him. What I am saying is its possible that it was unintentional on his part and means he was not well served by those who should have informed him that this might happen.
Hillary knows the rules a lot better since she's been involved in national politics for a long time and she is an establishment candidate no matter what she says or denies being one.
And Clinton did not go to Florida until after the polls had closed on election day except for the fundraisers and she has always said the results should count as opposed to Mr.only if win.
I agree with ap about the danger of Shrub. It isn't so much the various plans etc it's that Shrub is a dishonest git who has no respect for the rule of law
he has proven that time and time again.
And the Republicans have shown they will not stop him but follow him over the cliff.
AP, he didn't buy the ads - his campaign staff did, and I assure you, Axelrod knows all there is to know about national ad buys. Obama may not have known they would run there, but I'll bet dollars to doughnuts the staff that bought them did, and bought them with grins on their faces, knowing they would run in the big FL markets in violation of the campaign ban there. What he did do is agree not to campaign there, and his staff had to be aware of that - we were - it was, as they say, in all the papers.
And the last time Hillary was in a national political race was 12 years ago, and I have no idea that she was involved in advertising then. That is not the kind of stuff that the candidates do, but they get to take the heat when their staff does. Her staff avoided a national ad buy that would run in FL.
Face it, she complied with the agreement, he didn't.
Anon-
Disagree that MI should be done over. After Edw and BHO took their names off, they put out on Tv and Radio for everyone to vote for other/undecided, and got 40%- and Hillary 50+% .. Going on Radio/Tv was violating the rules also. If they go to caucus because MI simply cannot afford it, look at all the disenfranchisement to the people unable to get there/peopleoutof state/etc.
BHO would get the undec he asked for and Hill get her 50+%... fair as can be...
Voting was done fair and square and should stand/no causus.
However, it is being bandied about that it could be a firehouse vote. As I understand it, people drop their ballot off at the firehouse. No causus type - one vote per person.
I personally hope Gov. Grantholm? sticks up for as is.
Have also heard she is a friend of Hillary's, - so perhaps they will stick together..
No Causus for MI.... that favors Obama and could change the vote.. and is not fair as I see it. The fact he took his name off is his problem.. Not the voters..
I'm from michigan and I want the vote to be done over.
All agreed to take their names off. Clinton put hers on at the last moment and when he saw this, Kucinich did too. the other two were trying to comply.
Both advertised at the last minute or all would have not known about the new rules for voting. most didn't anyway.
So to say that Obama and Edwards disobeyed is total crap.
I have heard from many many people in the Detroit region (white as well as black) and they WANT the vote again. They couldn't stomach voting for a candidate that they didn't want.
"Obama seemed unaware the pledge he signed prohibits news conferences. Asked whether he was violating it, he said, "I was just doing you guys a favor. … If that's the case, then we won't do it again.""
Seemed he was unaware. If that's the case, then we won't do it again. Are you saying he is lying when when he said he wouldn't do it again or that he was unaware?
"TAMPA - Barack Obama hinted during a Tampa fundraiser Sunday that if he's the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, he'll seat a Florida delegation at the party's national convention, despite national party sanctions prohibiting it.
"According to Sanchez and Tom Scarritt, Obama was asked during the event about making sure Floridians have a role in the nomination, despite the DNC sanctions and the pledge. Scarritt said Obama responded that he'll "do what's right by Florida voters.""
"do what's right by Florida voters". Were does it say he would seat the delegates?
The first paragraph is the assumption by the writer that he would seat the delegates, whereby he directly said when ask "he would do what's right by Florida voters".
It seems that there is a lot of story twisting when you read what the reporter assumed and what Obama actually said.
young - I wish what you were saying about MI was likely, but I doubt it. What I knwo is that Dean and the DNC stepped in it up to their asses and now can't find a good way to wade out.
AP, just out of curiosity, what , other than making their votes count, could "do[ing] what's right by Florida voters" mean? You don't suspect Obama didn't know what the reporter was asking do you? Sounds to me like he was saying something to mislead them, but maybe you have a different slant on it. Rather than just parse his words to deny that he said he'd seat the delegates, please explain to me what you think he could have meant.
AP, I doubt that Obama will be firing Axelrod. You can't find guys like him every day. Penn could go and I wouldn't care - his strategy for Feb. was boneheaded.
Second thing Josh does not know is that the decision to remove their names from the ballot in Michigan was initiated by Obama, the Party had nothing to do with it, and Obama's request was adhered to by Edwards and some of the other candidates but NOT Dodd, Kucinich and Gravel (the dirty cheaters). See, HALF of the candidates did not remove their names from the ballot. There was NO RULE requiring it. http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/1/25/183713/960
Okay, before I get in trouble at work I'll try to answer.
As I understand they were suppose to give something to the Credentials Committee about seating the delegates and the Committee would determine if they were to be seated or not.
This would be at the done at the convention as I understood it.
If anyone is more familar with the rules of the Credentials Committee please enlighten all of us.
AP, you won't catch me this evening - basketball tourney, Round 2, ya know. So basically, you don't know what he meant and are speculating about him thinking about the Credentials Committee stuff you mentioned - he certainly said nothing about it. As I recall, that was backfill that was mentioned after the primary and after Dean said no dice to a Rules change. Whatever.
""We f***d up in Ohio," Power told the Scottish daily, referring to the Illinois senator's loss to the former first lady in the midwestern state in Tuesday's primary."
A key foreign policy advisor to Barack Obama - Powers
KGC
As an old farm boy, I can tell you cows have their own clock and they are very resistant to change. So mostly they are indifferent to daylight savings time. The wise dairy farmer is too, if he wants to keep the milk flowing.
Unhappy cows are stressed cows and stressed cows don't produce milk.
kc, I always though farmers did their work on the schedules of the seasons and animals they had, rather than make the crops and animals adhere to the clock and calendar. I have to admit, I don't know much about farming other than it's something I never wanted to do.
Pogo...
I did go hot tubbin yesterday..... I couldn't resist my bathing suit calling to me.....
Rick's ski buddies from work came up yesterday and skiied with him..... he says he has no ski legs left.... so we are going shopping at LaHouts today....
read the NYT piece..... I've never seen this much snow up here....
when we passed the "Entering Campton" sign on our way up here, I told Rick.... "we are in Pogo country"....
Lardass..... my changed moniker is because I'm on a different computer.... it's only for this week.... I'll be back to RebelliousRenee tomorrow afternoon.....
besides.... it's hard to be rebellious with all the hot tubbin',,,,,
Pogo....
thanks for the NYT piece.... I've never seen so much snow up here.....
I did decide to go hot tubbin yesterday..... couldn't resist the call of my bathing suit.....
Rick's ski buddies from work were here yesterday and they skiied their butts off...... Rick says he has no ski legs left..... we will go shopping at LaHouts today....
Lardass..... my moniker change is because I'm on a different computer..... it's only for this week....
I'll be back to RebelliousRenee tomorrow afternoon...
besides.... it's hard to be rebellious when all that hot tubbin' makes one so mellow......
All candidates have their tropes. All have their tripe.
Over the last two months it has seemed to me that Obama's building a case on his judgment -- a case based on an opinion a lot of us shared over the Iraq vote -- may be turning as odd and disenchanting as Rudy's building a case on 9/11.
To run on a vote a person didn't make (because that person was not yet elected to make that vote) and, if I am right, a vote he has said he is not sure he would have not made if he were in office then...
Well, that's kind of like Rudy's fugue.
Experience as a premise involves the opportunity for mistakes and learning from them.
I am not seeing a lot of learning from a sudden late winter crop of political misjudgments in the Obama camp.
The ground operation has been excellent. But the judgments and the adjustments are straining both credibility and credulity.
Judgment again is a funny thing to run on. Particularly when there is something which anyone could see would be at minimum a big fat peccable political liability coming to trial during the campaign.
Again... Rudy-like.
Who knows? Observations are not....
Well, they're not judgments. But they certainly help form them with some alertness and wisdom
This is part one of two...It is a bit long - but worth listening to if you want to hear more from Powers regarding BHO promises vs. his own planned reality.
renee,
If it's still there,there is a little grocery store - next to the post office as I recall, that has the best homemade donuts in that area. You go to the main intersection - you can't miss it, there's only one (49 & 175) - and turn left onto 175. The store is about a block up on the left. That was my every Sunday morning outing with the dog - I'd have 2 and give her one. And if it'sstill there, there's a 2 story store/apartment at the intersection (NW corner) that had a wonderful bakery in it. And there is a great Ski Shop in the Campton Shoppong Center, just off the 93 exit - Ski Fanatics - an old friend - Don Englehart - used to own it - I figure he still does. Stop in and tell him I said hello.
Well , I didn't vote the first time in Michigan. If thewy wanna do it over , I'll be sure to vote this time. I'll help somebody win Michigan. Even if I didn't do it the first time.
If it's still there,there is a little grocery store - next to the post office as I recall, that has the best homemade donuts in that area. You go to the main intersection - you can't miss it, there's only one (49 & 175) - and turn left onto 175. The store is about a block up on the left. That was my every Sunday morning outing with the dog - I'd have 2 and give her one. And if it'sstill there, there's a 2 story store/apartment at the intersection (NW corner) that had a wonderful bakery in it. And there is a great Ski Shop in the Campton Shoppong Center, just off the 93 exit - Ski Fanatics - an old friend - Don Englehart - used to own it - I figure he still does. Stop in and tell him I said hello.
Powers just left the Obama campaign. It was only right. The hateful and nasty things she said should never have been said , to no one..
Personal slander should have not place in campaign.
Political squabbles, are never going to stop.
But Powers was personal and nasty all the way. She should have been made to stand up on Tv and apoligize to Hillary personally, not just writing..
He should have gotten rid of goolsbey also, but he won't.
We all know that HRC has an ego that won’t accept the VP position. Her words and body language also say that. Besides, I believe Obama can win more people (the ones who have voted for the first time in history and the Independents and Republicans he is gathering) with a better candidate running with him like Webb in Virginia who does have the military experience to go up against McLame’s future argument. Obama is STILL ahead in delegates and she will probably not get that many more even with PA.
Obama people are not ... delusional. They are realists in a sense that we know this country needs real change from the old politics and the Clintons are right in the center of those old politics. She is the one that says they know how politics work. It is so comforting to know that within their campaign they are all Mother F’g each other with every word and screaming and yelling at each other. When you have cut throats working with you to win at all costs, that’s what happens.
Regarding the murder of the little dog, it seems they have the person. Let’s hope they don’t have the wrong guy, but from all accounts, and there are many, this guy would seem to be that person. This story is out there probably more than Obama/Clinton stories. There is such an uproar about it. I learned in my research that Hitler made all his people take a puppy and keep it with them until the puppy was one year old so they would become close to it. At that time, after they had grown fond of it, they had to murder it with their bare hands. Now we know one way monsters are born.
We all know that HRC has an ego that won’t accept the VP position. Her words and body language also say that. Besides, I believe Obama can win more people (the ones who have voted for the first time in history and the Independents and Republicans he is gathering) with a better candidate running with him like Webb in Virginia who does have the military experience to go up against McLame’s future argument. Obama is STILL ahead in delegates and she will probably not get that many more even with PA.
Obama people are not ... delusional. They are realists in a sense that we know this country needs real change from the old politics and the Clintons are right in the center of those old politics. She is the one that says they know how politics work. It is so comforting to know that within their campaign they are all Mother F’g each other with every word and screaming and yelling at each other. When you have cut throats working with you to win at all costs, that’s what happens.
Regarding the murder of the little dog, it seems they have the person. Let’s hope they don’t have the wrong guy, but from all accounts, and there are many, this guy would seem to be that person. This story is out there probably more than Obama/Clinton stories. There is such an uproar about it. I learned in my research that Hitler made all his people take a puppy and keep it with them until the puppy was one year old so they would become close to it. At that time, after they had grown fond of it, they had to murder it with their bare hands. Now we know one way monsters are born.
AP wrote: "Yeah, right. Blame Kerry for the Nazi Republicans changing the date of the Primary."
Actually, AP, that's not what I'm blaming Kerry for - that is Dean's fault. Yes...the Republicans moved the primary in FL but it was Dean and those yahoos on the DNC committee that pounded their feet and said...if you do this your votes don't count. The Republican Legislator laughed and said...OK
What I'm blaming Kerry for is his persistence in wanting to circumvent the nomination process. He is just one of many that are saying this should all end for the so called "good of the party" but I can assure you...he's the ring leader.
Plenty of blame to go around AP. The Republicans are bad dudes...not doubt about it - but the Democrats continually shoot themselves and trip over their feet. They look like amateurs...perhaps that's why it's time for a woman to lead the party.
And BTW AP - they were all allowed to "fund raise" in FL and Obama and Edwards both held fund raisers in the state as well.
Obama is the only one that ran ads
Who broke the rules AP?
Let's get over the rules...this is politics...
Let's talk about how the Democrats win in November -
FL is so close to going blue and yet the DNC wanted to puff out their chest and pound it with their fists while the Republican Gov. and Leg. laughed at them. They need to figure out how NOT to disenfranchise FL voters.
And AP - I agreed with your plan so why you yellin' at me.
Pogo wrote: "Hillary doesn't stand much chance in MS - it is a very poor, conservative, backward state in much of the state"
I agree 100% plus she made that bone head remark that even though she apologized...one can't back out of too easily. That's why she should put a lot of resources into WY and see if she can pull an upset (unlikely I know) and at least split the news cycle with him.
The Clintons say PA is like Ohio and they expect to win there. James Carville has made the comment many times that PA is much different than other states in that it is like three separate states (not his exact quote).
Enthusiasm Tilts Toward Obama in Pa.
STROUDSBURG, Pa. (AP) - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton starts her campaign in Pennsylvania as the favorite to win the April 22 primary.
“But in random interviews last week with dozens of voters in swing districts across the state, much of the Democratic voter enthusiasm seemed to tilt toward rival Barack Obama, not only because he is a fresh face, but because they believe he has the best shot at beating Republican nominee-in-waiting John McCain, whom they call old and out-of-touch.”
“Kate Clark, 53, a cafe owner in Nazareth, a small town near Allentown, said she struggled with her choice. Tempted to vote for Clinton because of her gender, she said Obama's energy and vision ultimately won out. I think we need to see the United States and see the world through eyes that are younger, through eyes that have dreams, through eyes that see something new for the nation," Clark said.”
Kate, exactly my opinion. Gone with the old. In with the new. I like rolling the dice when there is a good chance for change!
Coulter back on MSNBC -- it's funny" to refer to Obama's middle name
"Summary: In an appearance on MSNBC, right-wing pundit Ann Coulter again referred to Sen. Barack Obama as "B. Hussein Obama." When asked by host Amy Robach, "Why don't you like to say "Barack Obama"? Coulter replied, "Because I think it's funny. I mean, it wouldn't be -- this hysteria from the Democrats about how you can't call him by his middle name. ... Of course there's a reason we call him that."
"I like rolling the dice when there is a good chance for change!"
LOL
Back in the days when I practiced many youthful indiscretions, I rolled them bones a few times. Ya Knooooow. I never remember coming out on top very many times but I sure as hell lost the rent money more than once.
One of the things I hate about George Bush is that he just loves to stir shit up to see what happens. He even brags about it.
Presidents should be like a banker, cautious, prudent. Thinking things out before you take that step off the cliff is good.
I'm not a revolution for the hell of it type of person
Coulter said: "I mean, terrorism does throw things off this year, but if you assume, as I tend to, that this is going to be a Democrat year, the choice is between B. Hussein Obama and Hillary Clinton. And I do think Hillary Clinton would be tougher with the terrorists. I think she'd probably be worse on domestic policy, but right now, the war on terrorism has me more concerned."
Interesting numbers from Rasmussen on do-overs in MI and FL - could almost point to them and say - instead of a do over - split the vote in MI and leave as is in FL - that is if Rasmussen wasn't one of the most inaccurate polls going right now.
With regard to the “roll the dice” comment, of course you know that was merely a reference to Bill Clinton’s remark about those who vote for Obama. If Obama’s campaign and how it is run financially is any indication, he would most certainly seem to operate like a banker, and is cautious and prudent. We know he is intelligent and has good judgment.
I loved the comment Jay Rockefeller made last Sunday about Obama when Hilliary said he was not even able to vote on the Iraqi resolution and that she had not even read all of it herself before voting for it. Jay said Obama DID read the entire resolution…all of it and he could not even vote for it. That’s prudent, IMO. And, Jay said Obama reads the intelligence reports regularly even though he is not on that committee. A thirst for information would most certainly be a direct opposite than the dummy now occupying the WH.
"The race is extremely tight. Wyoming is all alone on the weekend Democratic schedule. And though its caucuses will choose only a dozen of the 4,000 Democratic delegates — in a state where the last two Democratic presidential nominees pulled less than 30 percent of the general election vote — Wyoming suddenly finds itself in the national spotlight."
business as usual.
You should send that experience to the Clinton headquarters. They were asking for anyone knowing of irregularities.
I do not believe he won ALL those caucuses on the up and up. Don't you find it strange he won all those caucuses and she won all the big states? Come on now logically that does not make sense. I think caucus people for Hillary were intimidated, or something to that effect.
I think Fl and Mich will be seated. It is too expensive to redo and Obama and Hillary were equal there no one campaigned in Fl. As for Mich. he took his name off.. No one forced him to do that.
business as usual.
You should send that experience to the Clinton headquarters. They were asking for anyone knowing of irregularities.
I do not believe he won ALL those caucuses on the up and up. Don't you find it strange he won all those caucuses and she won all the big states? Come on now logically that does not make sense. I think caucus people for Hillary were intimidated, or something to that effect.
I think Fl and Mich will be seated. It is too expensive to redo and Obama and Hillary were equal there no one campaigned in Fl. As for Mich. he took his name off.. No one forced him to do that.
Gordo, I wouldn't (am not) getting too excited about Wyoming - it's just the sort of state that Obama has had big victories in over the last month. Staying close in MS & WY wil be about as good as Hillary can expect to get in those states. There has a been a swing nationally, but those states are deeply red, and Hillary hasn't done well in republican states, with or without large black voting populations.
Steven, pull up a chair, make yourself at home, and don't be a stranger. Stick around and I'll try to talk you out of voting for McCain, no matter the outcome of teh dem primary season.
AP has called for Penn's head twice today - I have previously, but I suspect for very different reasons. Just curious, and I know AP went back to work, but has Penn said something unfairly critical of Obama's character that would warrant his dismissal? May be, but if so I've not seen it.
I'm getting ready to leave work and checked it to see what the new comments were.
It helps me remember the time so I don't re read already read comments.
You wonder about Penn.
Try the Drug innuendos he brought up a couple of times. You remember, after he brought it up we started seeing the "how many times did he do drugs, did he sell drugs and many more other things which at my age I'd have to dig deep in my mind to remember.
I believe that there was also a couple other things, but they slip my tin foil hat mind at present.
Anyway I'm shutting down my machine and heading home.
Steven, I have two words for you - Supreme Court. And I have three words for you - three likely vacancies. I don't need any other reason, all other things equal, to vote Dem in Nov. I've watched Dumya savage the constitution, and a swing of 3 more conservative justices would IMHO likely set up a perfect storm for the erosion of most of the constitutional rights that have been articulated from the Warren Court to today. I don't buy the threat of terror BS as a justification for Iraq, the Patriot Act, the extension of FISA, electronically eavesdropping on US telephone calls, TSA making me take my shoes off, take my laptop out, carry miniature toiletries and give up the duty free booze I could have bought in the airport to get to a plane or any other of the utter nonsense that has been visited on us in the past 7 years. Plus, I really don't want the government letting the states tell doctors how to treat pregnant women. And constitutional concerns aside, with the wimpy leadership provided by Reid and Pelosi, a McCain presidency will get its way on economic and domestic issues that are very real to everyone, and the country will be a worse mess than it is now by the time he's done with it. I could go on, but will spare you for now.
Isn't it funny how she is still trying to keep this in the news and Obama dismissed the person just after the "off the record" remark was made. How long did it take HRC to rid her campaign of the monster who kept using the cocaine word on the airways?
Three complete days!
She is a monster.
And for those who like to ha, ha, ha.
Here's to you. Ha, Ha, Ha, even though it is childish!!!
OK, I've tried to find the quote from Penn - I do recall him saying something like acting like Ken Starr won't win him the presidency - describing campaign tactics and comparing them to the relentless pursuit of all things Clinton and referencing drug use as described by the candidate (although I do agree that the suggestions of him possibly selling drugs was completely out of line and in no way supported by the reference to MJ and blow in his book and would be appropriate grounds to get rid of the person making those suggestons) is not the same IMHO as calling the opposing candidate a monster (although in this case and with Ken Starr the distinction is admittedly a fine one). I really would like to re-read the quote if anyone can find it and link it.
karolenna, I suggest you read the article that the paper that published Power's comment published. The remark was in the context of an interview during her book tour, and was on the record.
I would agree with you about the Supreme Court and that is truly a great reason to ponder such a vote.
Jamie,
After reading this post for weeks I found it a refreshing oasis except for one very discordant individual who i shall not name except to say "B" is affiliated with nyc.
Karolenna: "How long did it take HRC to rid her campaign of the monster who kept using the cocaine word on the airways?"
The guy who talked about cocaine may be a monster. But, why was it wrong talking about the cocaine?
We've already had one president who has had substance abuse problems. How has that worked out for the country? So, why are concerns about Mr Obama's drug use out of bounds?
I guess it probably makes a difference whether or not you 've done the substances in question; I haven't. But, I sure did a job with booze. If someone wanted to make an issue of what I did when I was drinking, then that would be fair game. But the fact that I was drinking was not an issue because it was not illegal, was not done on the job, was not done while driving, etc.
But, none of those escape clauses apply to illegal drugs..
hey.... I found some good buys today.....
bought a beautiful Italian fleece shirt..... Rick bought some new googles and had his skis sharpened...
Pogo.... I remember that little store..... when we used to stay at the Black Bear Lodge in Waterville Valley, we always went there..... and yes... they had awesome donuts.....
this is our last night here..... be back home by tomorrow afternoon..... can't wait to see my cats...
"No, it was off the record. In journalistic terms, that means “off the record”. Stop recording. I just watched an interview on television while having lunch"
Not quite. The author of the article was interviewed. The British custom (which Powers knew) is that whether something is on or off the record is set up before hand. She knew she was being taped and did not say "off the record" until AFTER she had made the remark. She goofed and got caught.
Pogo - regarding Penn - no, he hasn't said anything about O' but his ranting and raving and then trying to throw others in the campaign under the bus publicly just prior to jr. Tuesday is worth getting rid of him. That said, Hill thinks it's worth keeping him around...she clearly knows something we don't...or he does ROFL.
At first, they all try to get you to read his books to understand him. Don't fall for it. The only books to read here are Craig's books (available on Amazon).
Karolenna: "Well, if we count Clinton, we’ve had two! Obama at least talked about his in a book, and he was a teen at that. Not an adult as Clinton said he was (in college)."
My bad. It seems likely that there were more than those two. Clinton was attacked for it. Remember--he "didn't inhale." Yeah, I know.
But, of course, it's Sen Clinton who's running. The closest I've come to total candor about her coming of age period were the series of letters she wrote to her acquaintance while she was in college. (I thought those were remarkably nice, but then I'm a sentimentalist.)
I really wasn't trying to set up another round of attacks with this--it really does concern me. But, then, I'm from another generation.
The person who has used the word cocaine the most and first is Chris Matthews. Are you calling for his firing?
Posted by: Bill Shaheen | March 7, 2008 4:07 PM
Well....couldn't hurt...
Obama's cocaine stuff is contrived anyway - the O' character of his books is a composite to make his hard luck story seem well...even harder and therefore more inspirational.
These kind of fake memoirs, as many of you may know, are all the rage now.
Well, Craig where ever you are, I called the Powers resignation last night right here. I do appreciate Powers' stand against genocide however. Obama was not thinking in giving her as much influence given her history of remarks. Noah POllack does take her apart. She obviously shares Obama's idea that human rights (selectively approached) trumps national security.
Obama had no choice, but this is very bad news for him. She admits Obama screwed up contrary to his campaign spin, calls Hillary a monster which she rarely calls those promoting genocide and insults the people of Ohio who will not forget how trusted Powers was. I called her meltdown weeks ago here.
Next up, Malley, but then Obama doesn't want any face to face meetings with him. Zbig is laying low...LOL Rice had better be very careful, but already she said Obama isn't ready for that 3am call. Yes, she said Hillary isn't either, but here's the thing: Hillary was there to advocate for Kosovo. She was there to support Desert Fox. She has met with European leaders and military officials in Europe. She is on record for tough sanctions and a big stick. She can make a case that refutes Rice, but having said Obama isn't ready for that call, Rice now puts him on the spot. I give her a month or so before she stumbles.
Zbig, Rice, Malley...Lake...it's getting pretty thin. And as Rezdog has pointed out, when the Foreign Relations committee had to take up topic of Obama's sub committee because he never held a meeting and the issues were so important), Obama missed that meeting as well...LOL. The very topic of NATO and Afghanistan Obama rants about and he didn't show up. Holy crap.
I would take VP if offered, but then I don't think his judgement is wise enough.
Since he thinks so little of your intellect, he needs someone to beat up. Friday night in an Obama chat room...LOL Maybe Powers will make a guest appearance.
Max - no - it's clearly worse than just wanting to beat up on me - he's now actually confusing me with Karolenna...which in my book is far worse than being called an idiot or having my intellect questioned
I added the feed to my netvibes...i'll pop in for a visit - try to give you a hand if you need it - but I have feeling you can pretty much hold your own.
Isn't it funny how she is still trying to keep this in the news and Obama dismissed the person just after the "off the record" remark was made. How long did it take HRC to rid her campaign of the monster who kept using the cocaine word on the airways?
Three complete days!
She is a monster.
And for those who like to ha, ha, ha.
Here's to you. Ha, Ha, Ha, even though it is childish!!!
Posted by: Karolenna | March 7, 2008 3:14 PM
+++++++++++++
Knowing that it IS childish, what was the point of you posting such an inane comment?
“Max - no - it's clearly worse than just wanting to beat up on me - he's now actually confusing me with Karolenna...which in my book is far worse than being called an idiot or having my intellect questioned”
So now you are calling me an idiot. I've never wanted to be called an intellectual. Just sane and objective about the best candidate for president!! No other comment except I've noticed more than a few rants of yours!!
“I really wasn't trying to set up another round of attacks with this--it really does concern me. But, then, I'm from another generation.”
Flatus,
You and I are probably of the same generation. I have no idea of your age, but even though I lived through the hippie days, Kent State riots, OSU riots, and (well) went braless (doesn’t that sound naive today? It was a big deal back then) I never did the drug scene. Never have.
Here’s something to make you feel good especially after the ugly dog video clip. Reminds me of one of my favorite movies that is currently playing on television right now: “Second-Hand Lions”. I just love that movie.
"I understand that today he stated he wished the candidates were talking issues rather than name calling."
I wonder if they are talking issues, but the media only blathers on about "monsters" Maybe I'll check BBC later to find out what is happening in the world.
Bob Marley once sang "In the abundance of water, the fool is thirsty", after reading your collective comments, I see people should keep the glasses coming.
With regards to Florida and Michigan, those states decided they wanted to make a power play. Rather than follow party rules, they decided to jump up so they could exert extra influence on the race. They have decided to hold the Democratic party hostage by insisting their delegates be seated, even though they were told they would lose them if they moved their primary.
The fact that Clinton is demanding they be seated, just affirms the remarks the Obama aide made, she will do anything to win. Clinton, Romney and Giuliani should be put on the new Mount Crapmore as a symbol of how to run a truly pathetic campaign, considering their financial resources.
Obama has run well but he is starting to wilt under the pressure. Clinton is running in such a way that her unfavorables will exceed 50% beating only Osama Bin Laden in a head to head in November.
McCain will be challenged to run for the 3rd term while somehow shedding the stink of W. He must have sold his soul to the devil to have the inside chance of winning because he has Beavis and Butthead trying to close on the other side...unreal...
I'm not sure of the tylermarsh whore on this website, but I have seen withdrawing meth addicts with a tighter grip on reality. If you are the typical Democrat, then I am comfortable that Rick "man on dog" Santourum could with in this election year.
Thank God Ronald Reagan is shining down upon us now!
"Passion, of course, is fine. Calling someone a "monster"? Sort of counterproductive. It's good that Power has zipped her lips. But the fact is, one prominent adviser can't do nearly as much damage as millions of anonymous, "infrahumanizing" voices. And they only seem to be getting louder."
Every single time I see this commercial I think of McLame. Tell me this speaking style reminds you of him. I love this commercial, especially at the end when they show the guy grown up who says “The End”. The title is Founders Day 1975.
I think allthe canidate talk way too long......by the time they are finished you are so happy it's over....whatever happen to leave them wanting more?????
It is entertaining to see the turning of the spotlight onto all things Obama. They were warned on this very blog, that it was inevitable that the press would turn on them. Just like sharks when they smell blood in the water.
Don't complain that it is unfair that the press took Clinton's bait. Deal with it. Questions will be asked... better have some good answers, and remember keep those helpers on a short leash, they'll get you in deep trouble.
I would love to see the internal memos in the Obama camp telling people to keep on message and not to give any opinions, I Think I Can, I Think I Can...
"Everyone is so concerned now where all of the candidates are born. McCain was born on a military base in Panama. Hillary was born outside Chicago, and if you believe the media, Barack Obama was born in a manger." --Jay Leno
Hillary hasn't wasted any time. I just got an e-mail using the monster thing to ask for more donations.
Oh Mercy, the indignation. How ingnomonious. I actually think this is a pretty lousy request, but I bet the bucks will be rolling in.
Here is part of it.
Just one day after Senator Obama promised to begin attacking Hillary, a senior Obama advisor has called her a "monster."
That's right -- a "monster."
At the same time, Senator Obama's aides have begun rehashing the old negative attacks of the 90's against Hillary.
This is not the politics of hope -- it's the usual attack style politics that we have seen time and time again.
And it must stop.
Only you can make that happen. A small contribution now -- even as little as $5 -- will show the Obama campaign that there is a price to this kind of attack politics.
My Dad once made the comment of "You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear." to an aunt of mine. He was referring to himself. She said. "Don't ever say that! Someone once said that about me and it was very hurtful!"
"Don't look now , but there's one too many in this room and I think it's you." - Groucho Marx
well after my nap, I have decided that this list is way to rancorous for an old fart like me to have a part. I am really tired of reading that Clinton is this and Obama is that. This is just one upmanship and lastwordism. It doesn't seem to have much of anything to do with politics Both sides are just as guilty and I just don't have enough time or interest to read any of it. I hope you all grow up in the next few weeks and I hope if your candidate is not selected you will vote for the Dem left standing. If not, get ready for 4 or 8 more years of much the same. One of the things l learned last week when I was in a very conservative setting and I was one of the few left leaning there was that the cowboys and I agreed to disagree politically and we had some discourse and it never got this bad. Maybe because we were face to face and not some online identity was the reason or maybe it was that we decided to be adults and show the manners our parents passed on to us.
well after my nap, I have decided that this list is way to rancorous for an old fart like me to have a part. I am really tired of reading that Clinton is this and Obama is that. This is just one upmanship and lastwordism. It doesn't seem to have much of anything to do with politics Both sides are just as guilty and I just don't have enough time or interest to read any of it. I hope you all grow up in the next few weeks and I hope if your candidate is not selected you will vote for the Dem left standing. If not, get ready for 4 or 8 more years of much the same. One of the things l learned last week when I was in a very conservative setting and I was one of the few left leaning there was that the cowboys and I agreed to disagree politically and we had some discourse and it never got this bad. Maybe because we were face to face and not some online identity was the reason or maybe it was that we decided to be adults and show the manners our parents passed on to us.
So Hillary just flat out tells a Mississippi audience that they need to vote for her because she's a woman. That's it. Pure pandering. If Barack Obama had gone before an audience and said vote for him because he's an African American, all holy hell would have broken out.
I know this has been brought up before, but let's consider the fallout from Power's second interview in which she explained 16 month exit from Iraq is a stretch and of course, Obama has shortened it to 12 months;
"Power's comments about Iraq came in an interview with the BBC. She said Obama's position is that withdrawing all U.S. troops within 16 months is a "best-case scenario" that he will revisit if he becomes president.
"He will, of course, not rely on some plan that he's crafted as a presidential candidate or a U.S. senator," she said. "He will rely upon a plan - an operational plan - that he pulls together in consultation with people who are on the ground to whom he doesn't have daily access now, as a result of not being the president."
Obama has actually shortened his original 16-month commitment to say he'll end the war in 2009. Obama advisers say President Bush's plan to draw troops down to 15 brigades this year means Obama could complete the removal in a year.
In Mississippi, Clinton questioned the Iraq comments based on Obama's public statements.
"He has attacked me continuously for having no hard exit date, and now we learn he doesn't have one, in fact he doesn't have a plan at all," Clinton told reporters.
Obama told voters in Casper, Wyo., that Clinton has no standing to question his resolve because she voted in 2002 to authorize the war.
"If it had been up to me, we would have never been in this war," Obama said, his voice rising. "It was because of George Bush, with an assist from Hillary Clinton and John McCain, that we got into this war.
"I will end it in 2009," he said. "She doesn't have standing to question my position on this issue."
So let me get this right. No one who voted for the resolution authorizing force has any standing to QUESTION Obama? Well, Powers didn't vote and he doesn't address her comments, does he? Biden, Edwards, Kerry have no standing to question Obama and by implication Obama has far better foreign policy judgement than Biden.
Now Wyoming has voted Democrat twice in fifty years. I suppose a victory there with the help of Republicans who see a wounded duck they would love to face will produce a reason to nominate Obama. He will claim another Red State that will go Blue in November...LOL. Silly isn't it?
Advise for Clinton? Bury Sandy Burger, completely. period. Battle every State and start to focus on the remaining Obama advisors. Explain "preconditions" for talking to Cuba, Iran, Syria. What if talks fail? No slip ups by Hillary supporters. Bill could talk about Hillary as a sound board for some 3am calls.
"Now Rice said that Obama is up to that 3am call. She might be right, but let me explain why I'm ready for that call...." NK, Kosovo, Iraq. "I voted to restrict travel on Quds who now are in Caracas, Lebanon arming Hizb'Allah and Iin raq. I advocate using sanctions to pressure our adversaries, before America is endangered. Reacting to events is not how great nations lead. To avert conflict we must unite with our many friends who share the same concerns and thwart danger before it is capable to threaten us. In doing so, we can avert bloodshed and warfare.My first days in office will involve consulting our allies and working out a strategy we all can commit to and protect our common interests and ideology"
Pressure will extend the number of days Obama hasn't had a positive outing after March 4th. Economy, national security, healthcare are the big three. Keep an eye on the media and have a quick response to the major networks, cable and pundits who talk trash while nuturing those with interviews and civility. Use Bill wisely perhaps on national security, economy and why Florida and Michigan should count.
But, what's especially interesting about reading Oprah's Web site is why some of those fans seem to be upset: the way she stumped for Obama, they say, seemed to pit white against black.
After the Texas vote, Obama brought up the story about the old black guy from Africa waiting to see his dream come true before he dies. Obama has brought up his blackness a zillion times (Lincoln, MLK, etc.) and what's worse, his camp has used the race card against the Clintons as blacks have fueled his lead. He even rips off Malcom X, so what's the point?
Okay for Obama but not for Hillary? Well, at least Hillary doesn't have her people call Obama a monster...LOL
Personally, I do not watch Oprah. I used to buy her magazine but I have decided not to anymore. She has become , over the top full of herself and I do not find it inspiring or appealing. She has every right to do what she wishes, it's nice to see her being true to herself, and not hiding behind her talk show.
She's rich, powerful and black. She should do what ever the heck she wants to do. Scream it from the mountains, I could care less.
Rachel Maddow is really good today. She had a meltdown over the stupidity of the media coverage of "monster" to the exclusion of real issues. She faults both Clinton and Obama being so busy bashing each other (or at least giving that appearance courtesy of the media) that they aren't attacking.
When will you learn the difference between bringing up your race, gender or culture and demanding people vote for you because of your race, gender or culture?
McCain is a war hero and he would never dare to ask for your vote because of it. He uses that experience to frame his winning narrative. I can say Obama has done the same thing in his own feeble way. I have yet to hear him say vote for me because I am black.
You can't deny that Hillary Clinton is demanding people vote for her because she is a woman. Also, could she find any bigger or blacker men to stand behind her on that stage in Mississippi? The only thing missing was the auctioneer.
McCain Rejects Anti-Catholic Views
By LIBBY QUAID – 3 hours ago
NEW ORLEANS (AP) — Republican presidential candidate John McCain on Friday repudiated any views of a prominent televangelist who endorsed him last month "if they are anti-Catholic or offensive to Catholics."
McCain has come under fire since televangelist John Hagee endorsed him on Feb. 27, but until Friday his response had been tepid. The Arizona senator merely said he doesn't agree with everyone who endorses him. He said Friday he had been hearing from Catholics who find Hagee's comments offensive. http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iE2JCSH5p9r2GBkQWS9TWAMzmuvQD8V8QK2O1
Poor Senator McCain...what will he have to reject tomorrow.
"If Barack Obama had gone before an audience and said vote for him because he's an African American, all holy hell would have broken out. "
Sorry, Alf. He's been doing it for a long time now....being a little careful, of course, preaching the gspel according to Obama and telling people he's Joshua to MLK's Moses, despite the fact that he shunned young black volunteers in Iowa. As the Black Agenda Report says, "You've been 'hood' winked."
Thanks for the Wilentz TNR article, whomever posted it.
I read the first quarter of it, and it is excellent. Suitable for printing, which is what I'm about to do. And then go read it carefully with a nice glass of Scotch.
I recommend the same for anyone else wanting to save a thorough documentation for future "who shot John" arguments about who played the the race card in this campaign, and when.
The fact is, we haven''t seen the "real" Obama -- the one whose handlers keep away from the press because he is so thin skinned and temperamental....the one who has been know to call up reporters and scream. His people encouraged him to cancel morning shows before the NH primary, because he was out of sorts and they were afraid he'd implode. He's a loose cannon.
Ya Know
Michelle Obama is a hell of a lot of woman. I like that gal. It says a lot about Obama that he is able to hang on for the ride. I know a lot of men who couldn't and would be uncomfortable around her. Most of them aren't voting for HRC either.
We often mention political families that inhabit the White House, but forget that there are political advisor families who put them there. The "Ickes" assisting the Clintons is son of the "Ickes" who assited FDR
Fayard and Harold were incredible. They have dance routines that others have never matched. I think my favorite routine is from "Stormy Weather" with Cab Calloway
Little tiny states got no reason
Little tiny states got no reason
Little tiny states got no reason
To count
They got little electoral votes
And little population
And they walk around
thinkin' they count in this nation
Well, I don't want no little tiny states
Don't want no little tiny states
Don't want no little tiny states
Round here
little tiny states got nobody
little tiny states got nobody
little tiny states got nobody
and no electoral votes
They got to push theirway to the front
And they push big states back
Howard Dean has to pick them up
Just to say hello
They got little tiny caucuses
That go beep, beep, beep
They got little voices
Goin' peep, peep, peep
They got grubby little fingers
And dirty little minds
They're gonna get you every time
Well, I don't want no tiny little states
Don't want no tiny little states
Don't want no tiny little states
'Round here
McCain could play well in California. They like to elect moderate Republicans. If Obama keeps hugging Ted Kennedy until August then McCain gets the moderate ground with no opposition.
Obama supporters edged out Clinton supporters in the Texas caucuses by arriving early and either locking the doors or taking charge of the packets explaining how the caucuses were to proceed.
Texas caucus is a three stage system like Washington. What is interesting is that while there were lots of difficulties, fraud was in short supply. What will be interesting is how the votes will come out in the State convention in June
Was the Florida primary "open" ? If they hold another vote: how will anyone know if the republicans that voted are switching parties to vote in a do-over?
Well said Jack and Florida too. Obama supporters will vote for McCain if Hillary wins the nomination? LOL Now Hillary voters might consider that an option, so I think Obama needs Hillary supporters more than Hillary needs Obama supporters.
Nice day in Wisconson...er..a... Wyoming. Me thinks Obama is a bit rattled. Here's the problem. The long primary has forced Obama to stay Left and attack Hillary's more centrist position as Republican lite far longer than expected. He has made her middle ground a personal flaw. So when he has to move center to battle McCain, he will get slammed. This is the tactical problem. He will start sounding like Hillary fighting McCain. alienating Hillary supporters and even his Left base. That give McCain an openning to look honest and real. The other problem is that the rest of Obama's advisors and associations will continue to pick up friction. Powers and Rice and Goodwhatever are symptomatic of his team's flaws. They make Obama picking up that 3am call the prefered option. Taxes? Pardon papers? First, this stinks of Republican barbs and Hillary has heard it all before. It is hard to equate the troubles Obama's having with the attacks coming at her from Obama. Apples and oranges.
Anyway, Jack is right. Do not underestimate McCain's appeal. He'll be the under dog. As far as Bill being thin skinned...LOL If Obama had 5% of the stuff shot at him that Bill has had for 16 years, he would would be a stroke victim.
On another note, what a coup for Columbia. Two major terrorists killed. A lot of documentation in European hands linking Chavez and Ecuador with FARC and an intense investigation going on concerning the possibility of dirty bombs. No wonder Chavez made nice today and had to shake Uribe's hand. Imagine a US President blasting Columbia, cutting off funding and then talking to the Leftists on how to spend more US aid. Just a thought.
The plan might be acceptable to Senator Nelson but it requires a change in state law to have mail ballots and local boards of elections are not interested in conducting another election, No resolution is at hand.
Great question March 7. Democrats have allowed their primaries to be influenced by outsiders. Then Dean thinks Superdelegates should follow their influence. Lardass suggests the remedy. Open vote for all Democrats like NY, but Obama won't like that. God forbid voters show photo IDs. Maybe Superdelegates should vote for the one with the most Democratic votes. What would be wrong with that?
NC update-When you register to vote here you either declare a party or become unaffiliated. When you vote in a primary if you declared a party, you must vote on that party's ballot. Unaffiliated voters can choose which party's ballot they want to vote on. Looks like neither Hussein nor Wonder Woman will be benefitting from cross-over Republican voters unless they change to unaffiliated by the appropriate date. Don't think they would do that because Elizabeth Dole's seat is being challenged. There are also two Republican candidates for governor on their ballot.
Could someone tell me if Eizabeth Dole is still alive? We here in the eastern NC haven't seen her since she disappeared from our state 5 years ago. Someone told me they saw her on Meet the Press last year and she looked as old as her husband and they questioned her coherence. Has she been voting? Craig, is she ever present in the Senate chambers?
Wonder Woman might could get some votes here if she would dress like Elizabeth Dole otherwise she would have to campaign in the liberal white areas of the state if she can find any. As we all know 80% of the AA vote will be going to Hassein.
See on my ballot (paper) , the envelope had my information, I believe it is discarded and then the ballot is tallied. There was noting to connect my envelope with my vote. That would be a nightmare to keep track of....
"But obstacles remain. McLaughlin notes what he calls "tiny" provisions in Florida law that prohibit a mail-in election to determine a nominee. Timing is also an unresolved question--precisely how long it would take to mail out ballots and allow a sufficient amount of time for them to be returned. Even then, election supervisors who are currently hip-deep in the process of changing over to optical-scanning machines for the general election may be resistant to processing an entirely new primary election by mail."
from the article.
They couldn't even change the law in march let alone
print and mail our the ballots.
PMO: Officials only got briefing from Obama campaign
The Canadian Press March 7, 2008 at 5:04 PM EST
"OTTAWA — Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton never gave Canada any secret assurances about the future of NAFTA such as those allegedly offered by Barack Obama's campaign, Prime Minister Stephen Harper's office said Friday.
With the NAFTA affair swirling over the U.S. election and Canadian officials skittish about saying anything else that might influence the race, it took the PMO two days to deliver the information.
"The answer is no, they did not," said Harper spokeswoman Sandra Buckler."
Ya know, Gordo, this whole NAFTA thing isn't all that big a deal.. when "experts" talk about jobs disappearing from the US they're not talking about 'em heading across the northern border. They're talking about meh-heee-co mi amigo..
The reason this is such a big deal up here is: Stephen Harper is our Dubya.. only he doesn't make as many grammatical errors. And he isnt nearly as unintentionally funny. But he certainly acts and speaks like a republican, and when the NAFTA briefing came out, and that the PM lied through his teeth about who leaked what to whom, the sharks started to circle the PM. Those of us on the "left side of Canada" were cheering the sharks.
It's just fun when our Conservatives get into trouble. Righteous indignation is such a treat to witness when they're treading in doo-doo.
I blasted the Ap report on another blog a few days ago when it appeared. Great reporting again from AP. That wasn't a free pass for Obama? Think AP apologized for crap reporting based on rumors?
Good follow up Gordo. It is important tylenol because Obama supporters said see, Hillary is a monster for doing the very same thing. And Canda should be ashamed.
It is also important because it plays into the theory that Obama has played politics over policy during this primary while calling Hillary untrustworthy and secretive and Republican Lite...etc.
Iraq, NAFTA, Iran, Israel, are all spun to paner and that is a hard blow to the honest, straight talking, high road politician Obama makes himself out to be.
Craig, excellent TM. You looked so LV in the video. The new fireplace?
We almost all have a key. Jamie doesn't have a key, though.
The one day of winter snow's gone. Sorry about what you folks are facing in the swath of geography between here and Rochester, NY. Been there (18") & done that. I think the crocuses should be peeking through the snow soon. Keep the faith.
Thanks for the link. Sure glad she "aint" hangin around this side of the state. I was frightened by those pictures! Think I saw her belly button on the bottom of her right flat !
Btw, I think Samantha Power made a stupid comment about Hillary. Power is not a politician and it is a shame she had to resign. Another political casualty.
Heck, imagine if each of us had to resign from this blog after making a dumb comment in the heat this hotly-contested the campaign - this would be a quiet blog...
(I think I would have been given my walking papers the first day I arrived!)
Anyways, I still think she is one of the smartest ladies around.
I was talking to some Democrats last night, and we all laughed. We now understand what the Republicans didn't like about the Clintons. They have no scruples and are willing to pull down the party as long as it fits their means. And we never, ever thought we'd be on the side of Clinton bashers, but her campaign is so foul.
I was talking to some Democrats last night, and we all laughed. We now understand what the Republicans didn't like about the Obama He have no scruples and is willing to pull down the party as long as it fits their means. And we never, ever thought we'd be on the side of Obama bashers, but his campaign is so foul.
Well known "Hillary Hater" Fred Barnes admires her toughness. Too many Dems are wimps. A Dem President has to deal with vicious Repubs - Obama does not have what it takes. They would destroy him. ( Her campaign foul? Obama played the Race Card to peel off the Black vote from Hillary.)
It come from both sides , not just one side. I'm just being honest here. This place was more civil before the election came down to just Hillary and Obama. You know , back when everybody had a candidate they supported. Be it , Biden , Kucinich , Edwards , Richardson or even hope that Al Gore might run. But , when it came down to Hillary and Obama , things started getting nasty. That's when people began taking sides and the mood changed here.
This blog permits anonymous comments
why do you feel a need to attack people instead of addressing what they are saying.
But that is what you do...if it isn't your little tea party of Obama supporters, the rules must be changed. You think you are the judge and jury but you are just another commenter with no special rights Jus ike everyone else.
6 years ago , I dated someone on-line. We both belonged to the same group on Yahoo! But , she often had problems with a few of the other members of the group. A lot of the time , I couldn't understand why she was getting mad at some of the people. But , she always expected me to take her side whether she was right or wrong. The next thing I knew , I was fighting with others as well. I dropped out of the group , because I didn't want to this to happen. I re-joined a few years later. No problems since then.
PS: Tone down the smart ass to funny smart ass. Lately your upset smart ass is showing. ;0) luv ya, stay our calm in the storm. That is exactly who your are.
A few years ago at work , I worked in a department where a lot of people did not get along. When our shift was temporarily eliminated , most all of us went our separate ways. When this happened , we had a pot luck dinner. Before the potluck , our boss then asked each of us to write down one nice thing about each person on our line. At the potluck , we got these pieces of paper with nice comments from others about ourselves. Believe me , it wasn't easy , but everybody did it.
That's what I mean , Sheila. I gotta be honest with you , if it comes down to a man and a woman fighting , I'm more than likely to take the woman's side. But , that is because my Dad has always been somewhat mean to my Mom. Like they say , try a little tenderness! Oh and you will always be Chef Sheila to me and Dog will always be Dogs Eye View! Kinda like Cassius Clay and Lew Alcindor! LOL!
"PS: Tone down the smart ass to funny smart ass. Lately your upset smart ass is showing. ;0) luv ya, stay our calm in the storm. That is exactly who your are
it's not your job to be the censor...of course censorship and voter suppression are the hallmarks of Obama supporters.
I suggest you go and look at your hosts link to the "family portrait", then look to find how many of those people are still posting.
Many people started posting here for the comaraderie and for a place to sit on the patio of a virtual cafe, kick back with a nice drink and then discuss the issue of the day. Once you partisan hacks joined, it hasn't been the same and the originals have all left.
The problem with identifying who has been the biggest a-hole is that everyone is guilty and refuses to accept blame because of the high an mighty attitude that exists here.
God help you if you try to point out Clinton hypocrisy or point out the fact that she has done a poor job managing her campaign. Don't even discuss the double standard her campaign operates on.
The Obama people here are equally thin skinned. At least they try to debate issues, but too often you act like political lambs waiting for a Clinton slaughter.
This place has attracted out and out nut jobs who live on obscure conspiracy theories and sex scandals. Now that the Globe Tabloid is running with the Sinclair story, it's only a matter of time before the Clintons pounce on that.
What is most disappointing is that while hope and change may seem like empty thought in this important campaign, we have candidates in both parties, plus Ralph Nader stomping on those ideas. Whether you agree with Obama or not, you have to admit it's a disappointing proposition to consider that Hope in this country is dead.
The hardest thing here is that it only seems to take one perceived negative comment to start the ball rolling for the entire day. Maybe one nice comment will do the same?
Unlike you, I have developed a great relationship with Corey. Long standing and he actually knows that was a hug. Because Corey is a wonderful human being and this blog has even gotten to him lately.
So you going to try and divide me from anymore of my friends?
Would Cher hide behind an anonymous nickname on a blog she frequents? Now she is a brave person. Great job getting the word out about our troops needing better helmets to avert traumatic brain injury.
I just read through the top of the thread, and have a couple of ideas and suggestions to add to some of the other good observations about our group dynamic.
First, people who value this blog should be careful about making generalizations and alienating entire groups based on the behavior of just a few. Once we start lumping groups together as "all you Hillary supporters are jerks" or "all you Obama supporters are rude" or whatever, we've lost the battle for dialogue and civility.
Second, I think hiding behind multiple identities to launch attacks is just counter-productive, childish and destructive to this blog. I think once you create an identity here...you should stick with it, or something reasonably close to it (for example, we all know that "hot tubbin' Renee" is really good old "Rebellious Renee." Same goes for Chef Sheila.)
Honestly, there are really only a couple of people on either side that are consistently overbearing -- and any meanness expressed by others is typically in reaction (and often overreaction). Think about that before you point the finger at whole groups.
Sure, things here aren't quite as cozy and familiar as they were a couple years ago. But that's just a casualty of this election season. Maybe that familiarity and coziness will return one day. In the meantime, as a rule, I think this group generally behaves as adults who respect one another. For perspective, try visiting some of the other political blogs that don't even make the pretense of being a community.
I'm sticking with this blog and my commentor pals here, because I like you guys and I get a hell of a lot of good info out of this place. Just the links alone are worth the visit.
Maybe it's more like a noisy pub right now than it is an intimate drawing room. But it's still a helluva a lot of fun, as far as I'm concerned.
Dog...I agree about Mad Mustard. If any of the old-timers are out there lurking, I hope they think about it and re-enter the fray with their familiar monikers flying high. BlueInDallas pops in every once in awhile, as do 9/11, Julia and some others.
Those names amount to currency and credibility on this blog.
The positive aspect of all of this is that we are having a discussion. It's perhaps a discussion that has been long overdue. I still stand by Jamie's shunning suggestion because people who are hell-bent on name-calling and hateful statements just don't deserve our time. We are all human and there isn't that much time on this Earthwalk, so we might as well focus on the positives. Can't we disagree with each other without the hateful comments? That would go a long way towards healing in here.
Just my humble opinion
And I think Corey should be First Citizen of this blog!
gee some of you are up very early or never go to sleep. haha
Boy do we have snow and it keeps coming. We will probably get 14 inches here in Wooster, Ohio.
I am snowed in. I might take the dogs out to play.
What does everyone think of Clinton for Pres and Obama for VP. Then after 4 years she leaves and he runs? Sounds good to me. They will have to do something or this is going to get more ugly.
Go Hillary!!!
Well said Sheila. Maybe we ought to just start a "generalization jar" for the blog, and put it on the shelf right next to the "cussing jar."
Anytime anyone uses the phrase: "all the HRC supporters on this blog" or "all the Obama supporters on this blog", followed by a generalized characterization of negative behavior...it's five bucks in the jar.
Just read the thread, looks like it was therapy session....As an outsider looking in I think everyone is really pretty nice and many are very knowledgeable.
Passion is a good thing, hurt feeling are bad, however you ( and only you) are responsible for making the decision to take something personally or not.
Be happy, give everyone a break, and laugh more often.
Did Corey leave? You know what is strange? We all like him and I am not sure if we even know who he supports. I know I don't and it doesn't matter. His is an old spirit.. wise and experienced.
I can't seem to get a key. Type Key won't register me or if they did, won't send the password they assigned. Poor Craig has had to bail be out everytime the blog moved. That's why I always post using the "anonymous" method with a checkmark to remember my name.
Just for the record, I have never ever posted with any name that did not include Jamie. There was one spate of including "Rodham" to go with all the "Husseins", but always with the Jamie. I don't like people we know changing their names to fool others.
...putting on headphones, climbing onto riser and into position between Kenny Rogers and Cyndi Lauper...and starting to sing...
"We are the blog
We are the commentors
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So let's stop flaming
There's a choice we're making
We're saving our own blog
It's true we'll make a better thread
Just you and me"
Our Corey is like the wind. He flutters in and out. he's probably on his other favorite blog or maybe he is getting ready for work, but he is not about to leave.
And like I said EuroTom, As group we are Obama Supporters. I'm not sure I made myself clear, but those of each side that are more out their than to the rest should not get the shaft because you all are getting your shackles up at another in specifics.
We are not responsible as you are not.
The longer you are here, the more you will understand that Craig Crawford lets free speech in, in all forms. Only interceeds when its is out of this world hateful.
So I will suggest again that everyone really read carefully and really listen. All of us.
I remember that book !! I can't remember who recommended it to me, but I know I had it and read it. I don't know if it is still in my book collection... wait a minute ... nope can't find it, but I do remember it!
Is it time for a group hug and sharing some beer? Just not Coors please; they are anti-union... Or how about a softdrink? Coca Cola? Pepsi? I don't know if it is true but I read that Coca Cola is the drink of Democrats and Pepsi of Republicans... heheheheh
Let's move ever upward and forward...
And as a tip of my hat to my Obama supporter friends...
re: Bombing at Times Square : if they have had three similar attacks at the same time of day, wouldn't it follow that , just maybe, we need some defenses, or officers protecting the various locations at that time???
All the scaries about Detroit Region being snowed in has not happened. I'm glad. Gives me the freedom to get out. Since this is just a weekend at home.
I can't get a key for some reason. Typekey won't send me whatever password they think I used. Craig has bailed me out several times with the blog moves. I use the anonymous with the remember me checkmark and I ALWAYS included "Jamie" in my name even with the momentary silliness of including "Rodham" when everyone was sporting "Hussein".
I don't like the fake names (other than the recognized old friends). If you can't say something over your own name or established moniker of choice, you should probably be ignored.
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Yesterday morning I claimed the same thing. I think you have something. Ever since the first time we had typekey, I haven't been able to do anything about my profile or update to even pick out a new one. So I just go annonymous.
I'm sure our military are just overjoyed to know they may be heading for Kosovo again. Let's see, Spring is coming on so it is almost time to depart Iraq and head to Europe for the summer. Much better weather to die in.
One thing for certain, we cannot risk a McCain because I believe one of the first things he will do, if even any slight chance, is get us into trouble with Iran. We do not need another war. Even military folks are now coming out saying he is too hot headed. That was especially true after he exploded yesterday with the NY reporter.
Unfortunately we all need to brace ourselves. Its not going to mend in the next few years. Its going to take us a generation at least to get out country out of this trouble.
In the meantime, we have to defend ourselves against take over. More poignant now that China and Dubai own a whole of of us now.
McC may be hot headed, but I have to say, I think reporters many times push in a disrespectful manner. We see it all the time on TV and I think we get used to it. But in reality it is uncivilized and down right rude.
I was a member of the Historical Documentation Unit run by the navy. I had unbelievablt access and was also put in a position of being the archivist for all video tapes. For the first two Adminstrations. A lot of designing a digital liberary program. just pointing out how recent visual media is in the presidential libraries.
My witness was for some of Reagan, Bush, and then a little Clinton. After that i was with ABC news in Washington after I retired.
I would just like to remind you and everyone that the only reason my friend Horsedooty Hussien got after you was because of Your statements that as a life long dem You would vote for nader or mccain rather than obama.
Horse was really upset that a self Proclamed dem would cross over like that instead of bellying up to the bar and gutting it out......which is exactly what ALL of the Obama people will do, Indie, Republican, or not.
That is the only reason Doots would get after anyone on this blog, so feel respected. He's gotten after me too. ;0)
I am been gone for awhile and wanted to comment on how Clinton "reset" the race by winning victories in states everyone thought she would win.
Let's not forget she did not win OH and TX by the margins the Clinton campaign originally claimed she would.
Obama will continue to keep it close in states that favor Clinton - and he will continue to rack up large victories in states that favor him. At the end of the day, he will have won more votes, states and delegates - and will have survived the "kitchen sink" strategy.
This poll is saying that Michigan is actually split evenly for likely voters. I happen to think that is pretty realistic.
I've always thought Florida is only an issue with the Meida, not the voters. However, as a voter of this state. IIt was terribly screwed up by those in charge of Michigan's voting process. I mean I even voted in the wrong category because I didn't have all the information. its not a matter or who's on first. its in all fairness the fault of the Democratic State Party.
Went out to shovel the highest steps leading into the house hoping to find my paper. It's a lost cause so I'm online reading it. My golden/chow went out and was buried in the back yard. I don't know if she knows if she went to the bathroom or not. She usually likes to play in the snow but I think this has scared her. She wouldn't stay out.
Carol in Wooster, if you don't have it now it's coming your way. Talked with my daughter in SW where they went for a funeral. They even had to cancel the funeral until tomorrow, so poor little Cheyenne the husky will have to stay in the kennel all weekend.
"My witness was for some of Reagan, Bush, and then a little Clinton. After that i was with ABC news in Washington after I retired."
Sheila, sounds neat.
I had absolutely no desire for a DC assignment. Had to go TDY/TAD their a couple of times and thought it really sucked. Why anyone would want to work in the pentagon is beyond me.
Being at Leavenworth while Powell was there was as close to the flagpole as I wanted to be.
I disagree most emphatically--unless we start revoting all the ones that turned out well for the other candidates. Looking at the FL newspapers before and after the election, it was probably as well done as any other FL election.
Why not get an opinion from Pres Carter and/or Craig?
What he does not get is that Bush - not Obama - is the best recruiting tool for Al Queda.
So many elected officials do not understand terrorism. Many extremists use terror to get their enemies to over-react - and many in the GOP and willing to react in a way that serves the goals of these extremists. Over-reaction alienates the US from its allies and provides propoganda material for its enemies.
The real way to deal with terrorism is not by taking over host countries - it is through targeted and surgical responses to eliminate terrorists as well as using economic and social reform to prevent the creation of more extremists.
I'd never ignore you. You might say Pataato and I say Potauto, but most of the time I agree.
I just see too much anger in peoples thoughts here. I have found that if you are upset by a comment, disecting the comment to show what upset you is more educational and most of the time gives great fuel to help the attacker to understand and re-educate.
What ia see here usually, is someone elses words to attack another. Huge problem here.
The Obama press call was kind of funny yesterday. They were really dodging questions...but this time not getting away with it.
One reporter asked a question about Goolsbee and something about Power I believe. The Obama person didn't answer either question but instead gave a list of questions they should ask the Clinton campaign. I mean...that's strategy...I know.
I kept thinking...if I was the guy asking the questions, I would interrupt him and say...when I get on the Clinton campaign call, I'll ask questions about Clinton but right now I'm on the Obama call and I'd like to know about Obama.
The best part is that after the Obama guy was done not answering the reporters questions...the Politico guy comes on and says...I'd like for you to answer the guys questions because you didn't answer them and instead just asked questions about Clinton. Then he said something to the effect..is not answering these questions and diverting attention to Clinton party of your government transparency policy?
The end part made me laugh.
Looks like no more free pass for Obama campaign.
For clarification...I'm paraphrasing not quoting - but that's the gist of it.
"An Iowa Republican congressman said Friday that terrorists would be "dancing in the streets" if Democratic candidate Barack Obama were to win the presidency."
Agree with you Warren
But this seems to be the Republican talking points, I've seen it from several Repubs, almost the same wording like they are reading from a paper.
Obama does need to address this sooner rather than later.
He does have some strong foreign policy statements out there but has been keeping them quiet for political reasons.
Pointing those positions out will be a bit of a political risk for him with the passivist left but they are in his column and won't support HRC
I hope you guys are serious about what you've posted this morning! However, I'll believe in your intent to be civil with one another when I see it. I've only been here since last April...arrived during the Imus debacle...but could easily see the strength of some of the friendships among list members. I'll be surprised if some of those friendships can be repaired after the foul things that have passed between some people here. If I were the target of some of it, I can guarantee you that I might TRY to forgive, but I sure as hell wouldn't forget what the other guy was capable of throwing at me when we disagreed.
I've been in one kind of group or another since the middle 80s--back when people used 300-baud modems and BBSs were the way people got together.
Moved on to the Usenet newsgroups. This is the first group I've blogged in. It's closer to to the pleasant BBS groups than the newsgroups.
The groups I've seen that've gone belly-up were the ones that had such a strong troll presence that people started self-censoring, or not posting at all. I kind of sense, from y'alls comments that that may be happening here.
If so, my opinion, as an outsider, is it's really important that people refrain from using their superior intelligence as a tool, or weapon, to put someone else down. It just sucks the life out of a group.
Jack I like your post too and I own up to my reactions. :-) I could go on about why, but that would just be reacting! I think we ALL can be friends... I really do! And if we can't... well we can't, but we can avoid the negativity and move forward.
I am not feeling well, so I am going back to sleep for a while... new diet...
Somethings to consider. Our military was designed to fight at least one and 1/2 MAJOR wars at one time. We have spent a whole lot of money to prepare for major problems on each side of the world. Now we have how many soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan combined? That is the extent of US capibility? I think not. The major difficulty is that we are involved in peacekeeping and rebuilding which formerly was the task of the UN and NATO. Europe actually has more troops than the US but contributes far less. Russia and China contribute little except fuel the Sudan, arm Iran while enjoying the trade protected by Western security.
To say that Iran should be ignored because we are falling apart militarily is absurd. Is it better to ignore what Kerry and Barak, Clinton and Biden said in 2004 -that Iran cannot have nukes, and wait until the crap hits the fan? Was that an isoloationist mindset? Quds is in Caracas, arming Hizb';Allah, helping insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan and we should go home? Every time we have isolated ourselves we have paid a dear price. Obama can't even sanction Quds because he protrays Bush as the bigger boogeyman. The is completely ass-backwards.
The Middle East, terrorism, new hegemonies from Russia to China require both a big stick from the US and Europe. JFK and Reagan backed their hope and change on such determination. AP celebrates the hand shake between Columbia and Chavez, but should we forget Hugo gave $300,000,000 to FARC and that FARC seeks enriched uranium for dirty bombs? Two major FARC leaders are dead and how would have Obama's Andes policy have done that? Would he have defended Columbia against the tide of Leftists despots who now embrace cocaine and Quds? To think we are so broken, our economy so crushed that we cannot send strong signals to Hugo, Ahmadinejad, Assad, Putin, Hamas and AQ we are quite capable to act to defend liberty and our own eventual security is the height of folly.
That is the real divide between Obama and Clinton on security. As Israelis bury their dead, as Muslim Clerics call for the advance of Sharia Law into Europe and defend fatwa of brutality, aas women are opressed and Blacks bombed in Darfur, as Putin targets Ukraine plaese don't deny that a real JFK/RFK would rally this nation not to be weak or turn our knives on Republicans, but rather face our real foes with the principles by which we have endured.
There would be nothing left of Iranian military conventional capabilities in 72 hours should they continue to act with impunity and flout international law. Afghanistan would be a burial place for the Taliban should we actually unleash our fire power and watch innocents die as well. It is not about the extent of our force which is far greater than the anti-war fundies think. It is about the resolve and confidence to meet the enemy squarely and face them down. Without such an attitude there will be no Islamic reformation, no realpolitiks from China and Putin, no negotiations with fundies. And soon technology will allow those dispicable miscreants who assail us every day to send unsigned weapons to our shores. Then who will we retaliate against, Bush?
Obama conjures up Ronald, but doesn't mention the spirit behind his call to the people. Obama mentions JFK but doesn't touch the sacrifice he spoke of or the liberty we must defend. Barak wants to talk as he pulls back, answer the 3am call without the resolve required to lead. Now that is my opinion, but the global facts are what they are. We have a strong military that hasn't faced a real enemy yet. We are pressured by nation building and allies not willing to join us in numbers. The task is to increase the unity and effort and the US is more than capable of showing the required stick to prevent Lebanon from falling, Hugo from meddling, Ahmadinejad from making a bomb and adversries from thinking we are in decline and weak. This is vital come Novemeber and Obama has steered Left for so long now, he will lose the tactic of moving center against McCain. Malley, Zbig, Rice, Powers do not plot a strong course and Obama continues to make GWB America's greatest danger, rather than the actual ones alive and plotting in the real world. THis is why far more military and centrists support Hillary and why McCain has a far better chance to beat Obama than Clinton. I will love to see Obama tell McCain he has no standing to question Barak's policies in Iraq.
Who is the Left going to vote for if Hillary runs? McCain? Good for them, but unlikely.The greater danger is that Hillary centrists will find McCain better than Obama. A political fact Obama cannot refute.
Max, it's been years since we had a military that could simultaneously fight 1-1/2 major wars. At best, now, we could fight one war of the scale of Iraq and mount a limited holding action in a single other area of the world until our allies saw fit to help us out.
IMO, we haven't had a strong military since the middle to late 80s.
Despite the back slapping and amazing technical competence of elements of our armed forces, our actual capability, indexed for the threat environment, is perhaps 20-pct of what it was through much of the Cold War era. And, that's something that's not gone unnoticed by Russia and China.
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Posted by: Divalicias | March 7, 2008 6:01 AM
Doing the "hard work behind the scenes" is pretty much the role to which many Democratic women are typically relegated. This would not sit well with me or my friends who've toiled in the DEM vineyards, decade after decade, always backing the male leaders who step into the spotlight and claim the credit for the fruits of our labor. VP is the ultimate glass ceiling. Will the wimmin folks riot? Probably not. We'll just quit -- then who will organize all those precincts and staf all those phone banks?
Posted by: Divalicias | March 7, 2008 6:11 AM
I think Obama's on First.
Time for work and travel to the snowy regions of Michigan for the weekend. See you guys tonight and all day Saturday being snowed in maybe.
I think Senator Clinton would be better served as Vice President, rather than senator, if she can't overcome the obvious. The Delegate count. If she can, than Vice versa. I think Obama would be better served that way too.
Both are changing the face of Politics. Both should keep going on one ticket for the American People.
now let the pile ons begin.
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 7, 2008 6:16 AM
Sheila, I see putting Mrs Clinton in as VP as letting all the women who have made men successful, that she's only good enough to serve coffee in the White House.
Have fun at work!
Posted by: Flatus
| March 7, 2008 6:21 AM
Flatus,
As i am running out the door. There is the difference. I had quite a hard time paving the way for women too. I do want to see a woman in. But not just any woman and I see too many red flag warnings for this woman at this time.
I think her dynasty needs checking before she enters the White House again. I've been reading up on her and her husbands dealings with Middle east and Far east Large contributers in the last 10 years. Its public and this questionable.
I didn't like Bush being in the pockets of middle east oil and I don't like the Clintons being in the pockets of Dubai....
been checking and if Rezko is the only slip of Obama compared to what is on the Clinton dockets.
Well, my personal choice is still Obama.
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 7, 2008 6:27 AM
Rushing out the DOOR! ;0)
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 7, 2008 6:27 AM
Obama's Senior Foreign Policy Adviser Calls Clinton a 'Monster'
"In the second time in two days, a senior foreign policy adviser, steps in it. Yesterday it was Susan Rice who said Obama wasn't ready to answer a 3:00 phone call, asserting that Clinton wasn't either. Now, according to The Scotsman, Samantha Power has taken it one step further calling Clinton a "monster."
Ms Power told The Scotsman Mrs Clinton was stopping at nothing to try to seize the lead from Mr Obama.
"We f***** up in Ohio," she admitted. "In Ohio, they are obsessed and Hillary is going to town on it, because she knows Ohio's the only place they can win.
"She is a monster, too – that is off the record – she is stooping to anything," Ms Power said, hastily trying to withdraw her remark.
This is not the first time Obama's team has screwed up on international relations in the last week or so; adding Rice and Goolsbee, it's a hat-trick. It's getting to be a habit with them."
http://taylormarsh.com/
Posted by: GORDO | March 7, 2008 6:36 AM
"In December, Obama said he had "been very clear to my campaign. I do not want to see research that is involved in trying to tear people down personally. If I find out that somebody is doing that, they will be fired. And I have been absolutely crystal clear about this, and I have been clear about this for a very long time."
Would this count? Should Power be fired by the Obama standard?"
http://www.blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/obama-foreign-p.html
Posted by: GORDO | March 7, 2008 6:54 AM
Christopher Althouse Cohen, emails about his own experience caucusing in Austin, Texas:
An unusual thing happened to me on the way to my polling location. I was walking to the school, and there was a group of Obama supporters holding up signs on the front of the school yard. I walked from the side of the yard to the front entrance, but I was wearing a large Hillary button, and one of the Obama supporters ran across the school yard so he could catch me well before I got to the door. He asked if I was here to vote and I, not stopping to talk to him, continued walking but said I already voted and I was going to caucus. It was 6:40 or so and both campaigns advised their supporters in all their mailings to show up early (at 6:30 or 6:45) to avoid potentially being shut out when the doors closed at 7:15. The Obama supporter said, "Oh, well the caucus is at 7:15," implying that I should leave and come back then. If I had done that and tried to show up at 7:15, I would likely have been shut out, because the doors closed then.
I just talked to a Hillary supporter online who said that he was standing in line at 7:15 and that the line was long enough so that he was standing outside, even though they had showed up early. The Obama precinct captain on the inside was demanding that everyone still standing outside, including him, be shut out, and everyone outside started arguing with the Obama supporters on the inside. Eventually, they were let in. He told me that a friend of his was in tears over the phone, because at her location Obama supporters were literally pushing Clinton supporters away from the sign-in sheets that were later used for the official vote tallies.
This news story says that there was a complaint of Obama precinct captains filling in "Obama" after every signature that left the presidential preference spot blank.
The sign-in sheets were confusing. I was unofficially in charge of the sign-in list, though there was an Obama precinct captain standing over me, talking to every single voter at the time, and I can say that a large portion of the people signing in found it hard to read and weren't sure if this was when they actually declared their support for a candidate, so I can see why some people might leave it blank. I'll attach a copy of what the sign-in sheet looked like.
Posted by: BusinessAsUsual | March 7, 2008 7:35 AM
This was posted on a blog listed on huffpo.
No intended slam to BHO - just lightening it up.
How many Obama supporters does it take to change a lightbulb? None, by the time Obama becomes prez, lightbulbs will light themselves..
Y'all have a good day..
Posted by: young 73 | March 7, 2008 7:45 AM
Q. How many Obama supporters does it take to change a lightbulb?
A. None. It's not the lightbulb that needs changing.
Posted by: whskyjack | March 7, 2008 8:12 AM
Read how under Bush our Military has been destroyed and our Troops have become War Criminals.
Vets Break Silence on Iraq War Crimes
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/78352/
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 8:19 AM
Read how the surge is working.
Iraq: Clashes Between U.S.-Backed Forces Increase
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/78557/
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 8:21 AM
Q: How many Republicans does it take to screw in a light bulb?
.
A: Two: one to deny that it's gone out, and one to say that it's the Clinton administrations fault.
Posted by: whskyjack | March 7, 2008 8:22 AM
GORDO...
I apologize to you for thinking the racist comment came from you.
I hope craig blocked the IP of the person who posted that vile racist remark.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 8:25 AM
There is now a petition for the resignation of Howard Dean regarding MI and Fl..
Fl will probably get seated without a redo, but Mi is up in air. Hillary is calling for let stand.. Obama name was on the ticket and he took it off, so - shucks - his problem.. The primary was all done fair and square. I agree it should stand as is...
Lou Dobbs has now renamed Naftagate as Obamagate..
Posted by: young 73 | March 7, 2008 8:30 AM
I am not in agreement with Craig about HRC taking the VP spot or her being the Cheney of the Obama administration. That kind of analysis just feeds all the myths about her and women.
It is our time and we have the most qualified person. As someone else posted look at "the above the fray bunch" and their personal, demeaning remarks re HRC. They didn't win. They know she stopped them and with the new litter of pups we are going all the way.
It is about time.
Posted by: elaine of tampa
| March 7, 2008 8:32 AM
mornin' all.
If it's Friday, it must be Krugman.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/opinion/07krugman.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
He's got a lot of good advice for Dems in this column. I hope we'll listen.
From Tapper's article:
"Statement from Samantha Power: These comments do not reflect my feelings about Sen. Clinton, whose leadership and public service I have long admired. I should not have made these comments and I deeply regret them. It is wrong for anyone to pursue this campaign in such negative and personal terms. I apologize to Sen. Clinton and to Sen. Obama, who has made very clear that these kinds of expressions should have no place in American politics."
Sounds like Goolsbee, only apologetic - at least Power acknowledges that she said what she said during her descent into honesty rather than deny it like Goolsbee. I guess she's never heard the old adage that you can't unring a bell.
AP, thanks for the link - disturbing, isn't it?
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 8:35 AM
Where can I sign petition?
Howard Dean knew when he drew line in sand that the decision was not being made by Dems, but by repugs. HRC kept her name on ballot in MI and FL, BO took his name off, oops bad decision. Oh, he also had campaign ads non-stop in FL oops bad decision.
Let the delegates at least in FL stand. 1.7 million voters how can they deny that.
Send me petition.
Posted by: elaine of tampa
| March 7, 2008 8:37 AM
Perhaps Tapper should let HRC's apology to Mississippi get as much attention. Is she the only one who can't misspeak?
Posted by: elaine of tampa
| March 7, 2008 8:39 AM
Craig - video trailmix this morning is really great.
I agree with the elaine and diva...only Obama supporters refuse to see the big picture (probably mostly out of hatred than anything else)
16 year plan is in play. Hillary takes it...Obama has a chance to mature, gets some foreign policy experience, first hand executive branch experience. You take that...and the other qualities that have been working for him (but are starting to not be enough), he's unbeatable in 2016 and the Dems can maintain the WH for 16 years.
I have my doubts the Dem superDs will be able to think in this broad of terms. The men of the party in particular. They had hoped Nanci Pelosi becoming speaker would keep the girls at bay and they could maintain the leadership of the party overall. Now they are poopin' their pants that Hillary has done this well and a woman could be the leader of the party. So it will be impossible for them to see how they could form a ticket that would maintain the WH for the Party overall for 16 years.
My hope is that there are enough enlightened male superDs to negotiate this - but given the "star" male names beating the drum for Obama...it's going to be difficult.
In the end...the Dem's will have John Kerry to blame - AGAIN - for their demise in November.
Posted by: Hill Yeah Wendy! | March 7, 2008 8:47 AM
More good news for Hillary - everyone will get to vote in Puerto Rico.
"[Puerto Rico will] change the voting process from 8 caucuses to a primary with voting places in all 1,800+ barrios in Puerto Rico's 78 municipalities. This is done in light of the hundreds of thousands of Democrats expected to turn out on June 1, a late date in which we would have originally expected a pro-forma vote with low turnout. [...]
The change was approved unanimously by all members present, including many Clinton supporters (such as State Chair Prats and myself) and many Obama supporters.
The rationale? There's no way we could handle more than a few tens of thousands of voters in eight district caucuses, while we can handle a million voters (at least 500 voters between 8am and 3 pm per polling place in each of 1,800+ barrios) in a primary."
http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/breaking-puerto-rico-switches-to.html
Posted by: Hill Yeah Wendy! | March 7, 2008 8:47 AM
The Obama campaign digging up the misstatement by Hillary from October and turning it into ads, etc. is going to be pretty affective against her in Mississippi.
She should go down there and campaign for a couple of days and give it the "ole college try" but she shouldn't expect too much out of there.
I think they should throw a lot of effort into Wyoming and see if they can pull of some kind of upset Saturday and at least split the news cycle with O'.
Posted by: Hill Yeah Wendy! | March 7, 2008 8:51 AM
Great news and analysis, Hill Yeah!!
Posted by: elaine of tampa
| March 7, 2008 8:51 AM
I think she plans to campaign in Mississippi and she has acknowledged straight on her comments were not the best she has made.
I don't think we will see the campaign avoid or give up re-emptively any staes in the future.
Posted by: elaine of tampa
| March 7, 2008 8:54 AM
Hey Gordo. here's one for you
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerBlog.jhtml?itemNo=957778&contrassID=25&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=1&listSrc=Y&art=1
Funny how Bosnia is the one big exception to the Powers rule which she knows Hillary pushed and she down plays it in her book blasting Bill over Rowanda. She ignores the Republican opposition and the unfair claims the military made on Clinton regarding Somalia which they later retractied following thier in-house examination. She makes the case for Hillary yet uses the same term she uses for those responsible for genocide. Such balance is sorely needed in the Obama camp. This is the person that pushes human rights trumps national security. Noah POllack does a good job, though who can argue that genocide ought to be stopped.
Funny you don't hear Powers blast Carter for not calling Darfur genocide. Hillary, not Obama, has called for real action in Darfur. McCain will sanction China over the Sudan. And I would love to ask Powers who is most abused in the world. Women, so perhaps her monster remark is even uglier than she thinks. Obama should toss her, but having head-hunted to find her, he won't. If Hillary said such things, she would be branded a racist. Another sporting the JFK label.
Malley, Powers, Zbig and Rice. And look who Powers says runs the Middle East job.
Posted by: Maxtrue | March 7, 2008 8:56 AM
The article pogo posted is a good read...especially for those who want to look at the perceived "black and whiteness" (no pun intended) of the "so called" hard pledged delegate numbers.
There is a lot of gray in between that the Democratic superDs better take into consideration when forming their ticket for November or they'll lose the election and be stuck with at minimum 4 more years of Republicans.
Posted by: Hill Yeah Wendy! | March 7, 2008 8:59 AM
Noah Pollack does a good job, though who can argue that genocide ought to not be stopped?
Damn typos....
Also this on Powers
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/02/samantha_power_and_obamas_fore_1.html
Posted by: Maxtrue | March 7, 2008 9:00 AM
young73...
Obama took his name off the MI ballot since all candidates agreed that MI's results would not be counted or delegates seated for violating the rules.
The smart thing He and Edwards did was leave their names on the Fl. ballot so I can fully support awarding delegates in Florida by Democratic rules.
However, MI is a horse of a different color and they should either do a Primary or a Caucus to be fair to all candidates.
Anything less would not be fair and it would affect the General in November. That's if we have elections.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 9:01 AM
pogo...
Your welcome. And this is coming on top of the Marine throwing that puppy off a cliff to its death.
What is our Military doing to turn our soldiers into killers of small animals as well as innocent men, woman and children?
And also with GWB pushing Fallon out is it so he can put someone in who will agree to start a War with Iran?
Sure looks that way too me.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 9:04 AM
I think all Obama supporters should use Hussein and if he becomes the candidate...all Democrats should adopt as their signature. It highlights the silliness of the right,
The video trail mix is great .
Off topic but pretty funny, I recently ran across this food blog due to a referene to bacon vodka...today's is even better.
http://www.browniepointsblog.com/
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | March 7, 2008 9:06 AM
"gets some foreign policy experience, first hand executive branch experience. "
Also to be considered, as VP he would be President of the Senate. That is the perfect spot to be watching the sausage being made on legislation and the herding of nominees to confirmation. Four or eight years of that combined with his street level and state level experience and you have a virtually unbeatable resume.
Posted by: jamie | March 7, 2008 9:09 AM
I agree with AP on this one. The FL delegates should be seated as is...Obama's name was on the ballot and he did have ads running - someone in FL yesterday they heard his voice and saw his face quite often.
MI is a different story - they should be seated but I also think they should be a do-over. I think just splitting it 50-50 will still disenfranchise voters (since Hillary won 55% or something like that). Giving them the way they are isn't fair to O' since he took his name off the ballot, not seating them hurts the Dems in Nove. A new primary in MI would resolve the issue...
I know they say in FL it would cost 25mil...has anyone seen estimates for MI?
Posted by: Hill Yeah Wendy! | March 7, 2008 9:09 AM
Q. How many George W Bushs does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: Only one. If he can handle screwing 300,000,000 people a day I think he can handle screwing one extra lightbulb.
Posted by: whskyjack | March 7, 2008 9:09 AM
Hi Sheila...for whenever you get back online: I just read your final response in the "screen name debate" from late last night, and understand what you're saying. So fair enough. :)
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 7, 2008 9:09 AM
Whiskey...great joke. Here's my punchline:
A: None. He hates lightbulbs, because they make it harder to keep the whole country in the dark.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 7, 2008 9:11 AM
Hill Yeah Wendy! ...
Yeah, right. Blame Kerry for the Nazi Republicans changing the date of the Primary.
They all agreed to the rules. Obama and the rest {except Hillary} took their names off the MI ballot.
At least Obama realized that Hillary would game the system so he and Edwards left their names on the Fl Ballot as a counter measure.
And the national ad buy that did show up in Fl is no different than Hillary holding her so called non fund raiser just before the vote.
At least be honest and admit that she also broke the rules. More so than Obama and the rest of the Democratic candidates did.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 9:11 AM
Obama broke the rules in Fla,Clinton did not
He was in Fla for a fundraiser in Sept when he "hinted" he would seat the delegation. He was there the day after the ban went into effect. And he held a press conference. And when challenged on it got huffy.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | March 7, 2008 9:14 AM
The boyz took their names off the Michigan ballot in an attempt to pander to Iowa.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | March 7, 2008 9:15 AM
AP, I know you don't think this means anything, but this is what triggers the continuity directive in NSPD51.
"Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions; "
The "extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage or disruption" is a threshold - but who knows how that's determined? A couple hours poring over the directive might help, but not from what I saw skimming it.
Wendy! (Or should I say Hill?) Hillary doesn't stand much chance in MS - it is a very poor, conservative, backward state in much of the state, (not unlike my own home state) with a high percentage of black voters and Kluckers. Not a good electoral backdrop for her. Even the pollsters are staying away. The black voters will undoubtedly break for Obama in the high 80s & 90s, like everywhere else, and the 3 dem Kluckers in the state will vote against Clinton on principle - after all, she's the wife of the first black president, isn't that what they say? The repug Kluckers won't need to cross over for Obama to win, so they may not. I wouldn't invest a lot of time and effort there - except along the coast and in Jackson to try and pick up a few votes. There are other, better opportunities to spend money in between now and June.
Think Tuesday didn't mean anything? Look at this.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/104821/Gallup-Daily-Democratic-Race-Steady-Clinton-48-Obama-44.aspx
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 9:18 AM
AP, fundraising events were specifically allowed as exceptions to the restrictions against campaigning in FL. TV ads were not.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 9:20 AM
kgc...
Please post a link that shows him here campaigning.
Hillary was here the Saturday or Sunday just before the Primary.
The rules said no campaigning, he didn't campaign. I'm not really sure about fund raising though, however he did no fund raising events in Florida that I'm aware of once the Primary dates were set.
I in the mean time will look and see if Hillary showed up in Florida before the dates were set as well. She did show up like I said above two or three days before the Primary.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 9:27 AM
Ok guys, here are petition sites. Had to go back and find them, memory is morning sluggish
Resignation of HoDo
www.thepetitionsite.com/65/petition-for-howard-dean-to-resign
Petition to seat the delegates.
www.seatourdelegates.com
if doesn't work, I found it on TaylorMarsh.com under article on Mi/Fl comments section
it works there as I have signed it already.
Posted by: young 73 | March 7, 2008 9:27 AM
Why the washington post is compost these days.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/06/AR2008030603240.html
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | March 7, 2008 9:28 AM
AP, your post hoc explanation of Obama and Edwards' actions in MI & FL is fiction, makes no sense and I submit is based on nothing but your opinion. If he left his name on the FL ballot as a countermeasure, why didn't he do the same thing in MI? His gaming of the system in FL made Hillary's look amateurish and naive.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 9:28 AM
More Bush economy at work - manufacturing and construction sector jobs continue to fall away
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/business/international-usa-economy-jobs.html?hp
And the Dow is responding - It's now at 11,960, having downwardly broached the 12,000 barrier. Remember, you heard it here yesterday.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 9:34 AM
pogo...
I really am unsure about how one buys national ads and if you can exclude a particular area or state from them running in.
Was this more of him not knowing that they may play in Florida? I don't know.
Since he never ran for a national office that I know of it could have been an error and he was not given the information that would have let him know they might show up in Florida.
I'm not making any excuses for him. What I am saying is its possible that it was unintentional on his part and means he was not well served by those who should have informed him that this might happen.
Hillary knows the rules a lot better since she's been involved in national politics for a long time and she is an establishment candidate no matter what she says or denies being one.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 9:35 AM
Obama in Florida suggesting he would seat the delegation....(and then whispers only if he is the winner)
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/sep/30/obama-vows-do-whats-right/?news-breaking
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | March 7, 2008 9:35 AM
pogo...
"The "extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage or disruption" is a threshold - but who knows how that's determined?"
That's the problem. GWB decides what triggers it and it can be anything he so chooses it to be.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 9:38 AM
And Clinton did not go to Florida until after the polls had closed on election day except for the fundraisers and she has always said the results should count as opposed to Mr.only if win.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | March 7, 2008 9:39 AM
ps
I agree with ap about the danger of Shrub. It isn't so much the various plans etc it's that Shrub is a dishonest git who has no respect for the rule of law
he has proven that time and time again.
And the Republicans have shown they will not stop him but follow him over the cliff.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | March 7, 2008 9:42 AM
AP, he didn't buy the ads - his campaign staff did, and I assure you, Axelrod knows all there is to know about national ad buys. Obama may not have known they would run there, but I'll bet dollars to doughnuts the staff that bought them did, and bought them with grins on their faces, knowing they would run in the big FL markets in violation of the campaign ban there. What he did do is agree not to campaign there, and his staff had to be aware of that - we were - it was, as they say, in all the papers.
And the last time Hillary was in a national political race was 12 years ago, and I have no idea that she was involved in advertising then. That is not the kind of stuff that the candidates do, but they get to take the heat when their staff does. Her staff avoided a national ad buy that would run in FL.
Face it, she complied with the agreement, he didn't.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 9:45 AM
Anon-
Disagree that MI should be done over. After Edw and BHO took their names off, they put out on Tv and Radio for everyone to vote for other/undecided, and got 40%- and Hillary 50+% .. Going on Radio/Tv was violating the rules also. If they go to caucus because MI simply cannot afford it, look at all the disenfranchisement to the people unable to get there/peopleoutof state/etc.
BHO would get the undec he asked for and Hill get her 50+%... fair as can be...
Voting was done fair and square and should stand/no causus.
However, it is being bandied about that it could be a firehouse vote. As I understand it, people drop their ballot off at the firehouse. No causus type - one vote per person.
I personally hope Gov. Grantholm? sticks up for as is.
Have also heard she is a friend of Hillary's, - so perhaps they will stick together..
No Causus for MI.... that favors Obama and could change the vote.. and is not fair as I see it. The fact he took his name off is his problem.. Not the voters..
Posted by: young 73 | March 7, 2008 9:45 AM
AP & KGC, we ALL agree on something - write that down!!!
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 9:47 AM
I'm from michigan and I want the vote to be done over.
All agreed to take their names off. Clinton put hers on at the last moment and when he saw this, Kucinich did too. the other two were trying to comply.
Both advertised at the last minute or all would have not known about the new rules for voting. most didn't anyway.
So to say that Obama and Edwards disobeyed is total crap.
I have heard from many many people in the Detroit region (white as well as black) and they WANT the vote again. They couldn't stomach voting for a candidate that they didn't want.
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 7, 2008 9:54 AM
I was absentee and didn't know the exact rules either.
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 7, 2008 9:55 AM
kgc...
Thank you.
"Obama seemed unaware the pledge he signed prohibits news conferences. Asked whether he was violating it, he said, "I was just doing you guys a favor. … If that's the case, then we won't do it again.""
Seemed he was unaware. If that's the case, then we won't do it again. Are you saying he is lying when when he said he wouldn't do it again or that he was unaware?
"TAMPA - Barack Obama hinted during a Tampa fundraiser Sunday that if he's the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, he'll seat a Florida delegation at the party's national convention, despite national party sanctions prohibiting it.
"According to Sanchez and Tom Scarritt, Obama was asked during the event about making sure Floridians have a role in the nomination, despite the DNC sanctions and the pledge. Scarritt said Obama responded that he'll "do what's right by Florida voters.""
"do what's right by Florida voters". Were does it say he would seat the delegates?
The first paragraph is the assumption by the writer that he would seat the delegates, whereby he directly said when ask "he would do what's right by Florida voters".
It seems that there is a lot of story twisting when you read what the reporter assumed and what Obama actually said.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 9:56 AM
If you have problems in Michgan talk to the Dingells
they are the ones responsible for moving it up.
By the way Clinton never took her name off.
And if you go back to Craig Crawford's columns on the issue you will see the candidates who took their names off did it to pander to the early state,.
I believe there were others still on the ballot besdes skinny Dennis and Clinton. Wasn't Chris Dodd still on
the ballot.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | March 7, 2008 9:58 AM
young - I wish what you were saying about MI was likely, but I doubt it. What I knwo is that Dean and the DNC stepped in it up to their asses and now can't find a good way to wade out.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 9:58 AM
pogo...
Then he should can Axelrod just like Hillary should can Penn.
Got to go and do some work.
God Bless
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 10:01 AM
ap
so you are suggesting that when he said he would do right by Florida voters....he meant he wouldn't let their votes mean anything.....
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | March 7, 2008 10:02 AM
AP, just out of curiosity, what , other than making their votes count, could "do[ing] what's right by Florida voters" mean? You don't suspect Obama didn't know what the reporter was asking do you? Sounds to me like he was saying something to mislead them, but maybe you have a different slant on it. Rather than just parse his words to deny that he said he'd seat the delegates, please explain to me what you think he could have meant.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 10:05 AM
kgc...
No and you know it. I can not say what he meant just like you can not say what he meant.
Only he can say what he meant and since I am not privy to his thoughts as you are not either its a false argument.
How do how prove or disprove a unknown thought.
You can't. Really got to go know.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 10:07 AM
AP, I doubt that Obama will be firing Axelrod. You can't find guys like him every day. Penn could go and I wouldn't care - his strategy for Feb. was boneheaded.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 10:08 AM
Second thing Josh does not know is that the decision to remove their names from the ballot in Michigan was initiated by Obama, the Party had nothing to do with it, and Obama's request was adhered to by Edwards and some of the other candidates but NOT Dodd, Kucinich and Gravel (the dirty cheaters). See, HALF of the candidates did not remove their names from the ballot. There was NO RULE requiring it.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/1/25/183713/960
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | March 7, 2008 10:08 AM
pogo...
Okay, before I get in trouble at work I'll try to answer.
As I understand they were suppose to give something to the Credentials Committee about seating the delegates and the Committee would determine if they were to be seated or not.
This would be at the done at the convention as I understood it.
If anyone is more familar with the rules of the Credentials Committee please enlighten all of us.
Got to really go know.
Catch you all later today or this evening.
Take care and ...
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 10:15 AM
AP, you won't catch me this evening - basketball tourney, Round 2, ya know. So basically, you don't know what he meant and are speculating about him thinking about the Credentials Committee stuff you mentioned - he certainly said nothing about it. As I recall, that was backfill that was mentioned after the primary and after Dean said no dice to a Rules change. Whatever.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 10:20 AM
renee, if you take a break from the hot tub.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/us/07roofs.html?hp
Note the mention of Campton, gateway to Waterville Valley, the two towns I lived in while I was there.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 10:31 AM
Correction
I forgot to add .com here is correct address
www.thepetitionsite.com/65/petition-for-howard-dean-to-resign.com
This works
Posted by: young 73 | March 7, 2008 10:36 AM
Daylight-saving not good for cows
Jonathan Curiel, Chronicle Staff Writer
Friday, March 7, 2008
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/07/MN8OVEV9P.DTL
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | March 7, 2008 10:43 AM
remember voters in mich were urged to vote uncommitted if they were for obama...because MR judgement took his name off the ballot
Posted by: zumper | March 7, 2008 10:44 AM
results clinton 55% ..uncommitted (obama)40%
Posted by: zumper | March 7, 2008 10:46 AM
http://iafrica.com/news/worldnews/200495.htm
""We f***d up in Ohio," Power told the Scottish daily, referring to the Illinois senator's loss to the former first lady in the midwestern state in Tuesday's primary."
A key foreign policy advisor to Barack Obama - Powers
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 11:01 AM
KGC
As an old farm boy, I can tell you cows have their own clock and they are very resistant to change. So mostly they are indifferent to daylight savings time. The wise dairy farmer is too, if he wants to keep the milk flowing.
Unhappy cows are stressed cows and stressed cows don't produce milk.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | March 7, 2008 11:12 AM
kc, I always though farmers did their work on the schedules of the seasons and animals they had, rather than make the crops and animals adhere to the clock and calendar. I have to admit, I don't know much about farming other than it's something I never wanted to do.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 11:19 AM
Pogo...
I did go hot tubbin yesterday..... I couldn't resist my bathing suit calling to me.....
Rick's ski buddies from work came up yesterday and skiied with him..... he says he has no ski legs left.... so we are going shopping at LaHouts today....
read the NYT piece..... I've never seen this much snow up here....
when we passed the "Entering Campton" sign on our way up here, I told Rick.... "we are in Pogo country"....
Lardass..... my changed moniker is because I'm on a different computer.... it's only for this week.... I'll be back to RebelliousRenee tomorrow afternoon.....
besides.... it's hard to be rebellious with all the hot tubbin',,,,,
Posted by: hot tubbin' Renee | March 7, 2008 11:22 AM
re:3:00 am phone call Obama supporter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TumIz2bajus
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 11:22 AM
And the obama folks are refusing to admit that the reality and the perception of the campaign are two entirely different things., delusional.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 11:22 AM
Pogo....
thanks for the NYT piece.... I've never seen so much snow up here.....
I did decide to go hot tubbin yesterday..... couldn't resist the call of my bathing suit.....
Rick's ski buddies from work were here yesterday and they skiied their butts off...... Rick says he has no ski legs left..... we will go shopping at LaHouts today....
Lardass..... my moniker change is because I'm on a different computer..... it's only for this week....
I'll be back to RebelliousRenee tomorrow afternoon...
besides.... it's hard to be rebellious when all that hot tubbin' makes one so mellow......
Posted by: hot tubbin' Renee | March 7, 2008 11:28 AM
Hi to all,
I have one personal reflection.
All candidates have their tropes. All have their tripe.
Over the last two months it has seemed to me that Obama's building a case on his judgment -- a case based on an opinion a lot of us shared over the Iraq vote -- may be turning as odd and disenchanting as Rudy's building a case on 9/11.
To run on a vote a person didn't make (because that person was not yet elected to make that vote) and, if I am right, a vote he has said he is not sure he would have not made if he were in office then...
Well, that's kind of like Rudy's fugue.
Experience as a premise involves the opportunity for mistakes and learning from them.
I am not seeing a lot of learning from a sudden late winter crop of political misjudgments in the Obama camp.
The ground operation has been excellent. But the judgments and the adjustments are straining both credibility and credulity.
Judgment again is a funny thing to run on. Particularly when there is something which anyone could see would be at minimum a big fat peccable political liability coming to trial during the campaign.
Again... Rudy-like.
Who knows? Observations are not....
Well, they're not judgments. But they certainly help form them with some alertness and wisdom
Posted by: 9/11 survivor (sort of)
| March 7, 2008 11:38 AM
This is part one of two...It is a bit long - but worth listening to if you want to hear more from Powers regarding BHO promises vs. his own planned reality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2ziykixN-M
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 11:38 AM
renee,
If it's still there,there is a little grocery store - next to the post office as I recall, that has the best homemade donuts in that area. You go to the main intersection - you can't miss it, there's only one (49 & 175) - and turn left onto 175. The store is about a block up on the left. That was my every Sunday morning outing with the dog - I'd have 2 and give her one. And if it'sstill there, there's a 2 story store/apartment at the intersection (NW corner) that had a wonderful bakery in it. And there is a great Ski Shop in the Campton Shoppong Center, just off the 93 exit - Ski Fanatics - an old friend - Don Englehart - used to own it - I figure he still does. Stop in and tell him I said hello.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 11:40 AM
Well , I didn't vote the first time in Michigan. If thewy wanna do it over , I'll be sure to vote this time. I'll help somebody win Michigan. Even if I didn't do it the first time.
Posted by: Corey
| March 7, 2008 11:43 AM
I mean , if they do Michigan over , I'll be voting for Hillary.
Posted by: Corey
| March 7, 2008 11:45 AM
renee,
Sorry if this is duplicate - it ain't showing up.
If it's still there,there is a little grocery store - next to the post office as I recall, that has the best homemade donuts in that area. You go to the main intersection - you can't miss it, there's only one (49 & 175) - and turn left onto 175. The store is about a block up on the left. That was my every Sunday morning outing with the dog - I'd have 2 and give her one. And if it'sstill there, there's a 2 story store/apartment at the intersection (NW corner) that had a wonderful bakery in it. And there is a great Ski Shop in the Campton Shoppong Center, just off the 93 exit - Ski Fanatics - an old friend - Don Englehart - used to own it - I figure he still does. Stop in and tell him I said hello.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 11:51 AM
testing, testing, 1,2,3
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 11:53 AM
Powers just left the Obama campaign. It was only right. The hateful and nasty things she said should never have been said , to no one..
Personal slander should have not place in campaign.
Political squabbles, are never going to stop.
But Powers was personal and nasty all the way. She should have been made to stand up on Tv and apoligize to Hillary personally, not just writing..
He should have gotten rid of goolsbey also, but he won't.
Posted by: young 73 | March 7, 2008 11:57 AM
Obamas Monster quote lady has resigned Obama's campaign
Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.
Yo soy Horsedooty!
Posted by: Hussein Horsedooty! | March 7, 2008 11:58 AM
Obamas Monster quote lady has resigned Obama's campaign
Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.
Yo soy Horsedooty!
Posted by: Hussein Horsedooty! | March 7, 2008 11:58 AM
the Obama lady with the monster quote has resigned
Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.
Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!
Posted by: Hussein Horsedooty! | March 7, 2008 12:00 PM
won't let me post
Posted by: Hussein Horsedooty! | March 7, 2008 12:01 PM
stuck?
Posted by: Hussein Horsedooty! | March 7, 2008 12:03 PM
this working now?
Posted by: Hussein Horsedooty! | March 7, 2008 12:09 PM
NOTE: CQ tech on the case with our site problems
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| March 7, 2008 12:17 PM
Craig,
Great clip.
We all know that HRC has an ego that won’t accept the VP position. Her words and body language also say that. Besides, I believe Obama can win more people (the ones who have voted for the first time in history and the Independents and Republicans he is gathering) with a better candidate running with him like Webb in Virginia who does have the military experience to go up against McLame’s future argument. Obama is STILL ahead in delegates and she will probably not get that many more even with PA.
Obama people are not ... delusional. They are realists in a sense that we know this country needs real change from the old politics and the Clintons are right in the center of those old politics. She is the one that says they know how politics work. It is so comforting to know that within their campaign they are all Mother F’g each other with every word and screaming and yelling at each other. When you have cut throats working with you to win at all costs, that’s what happens.
Regarding the murder of the little dog, it seems they have the person. Let’s hope they don’t have the wrong guy, but from all accounts, and there are many, this guy would seem to be that person. This story is out there probably more than Obama/Clinton stories. There is such an uproar about it. I learned in my research that Hitler made all his people take a puppy and keep it with them until the puppy was one year old so they would become close to it. At that time, after they had grown fond of it, they had to murder it with their bare hands. Now we know one way monsters are born.
http://federalism.typepad.com/crime_federalism/2008/03/david-motari-ab.html?cid=105732238
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/04/puppy.marine/index.html
Posted by: Karolenna | March 7, 2008 12:27 PM
Craig,
Great clip.
We all know that HRC has an ego that won’t accept the VP position. Her words and body language also say that. Besides, I believe Obama can win more people (the ones who have voted for the first time in history and the Independents and Republicans he is gathering) with a better candidate running with him like Webb in Virginia who does have the military experience to go up against McLame’s future argument. Obama is STILL ahead in delegates and she will probably not get that many more even with PA.
Obama people are not ... delusional. They are realists in a sense that we know this country needs real change from the old politics and the Clintons are right in the center of those old politics. She is the one that says they know how politics work. It is so comforting to know that within their campaign they are all Mother F’g each other with every word and screaming and yelling at each other. When you have cut throats working with you to win at all costs, that’s what happens.
Regarding the murder of the little dog, it seems they have the person. Let’s hope they don’t have the wrong guy, but from all accounts, and there are many, this guy would seem to be that person. This story is out there probably more than Obama/Clinton stories. There is such an uproar about it. I learned in my research that Hitler made all his people take a puppy and keep it with them until the puppy was one year old so they would become close to it. At that time, after they had grown fond of it, they had to murder it with their bare hands. Now we know one way monsters are born.
http://federalism.typepad.com/crime_federalism/2008/03/david-motari-ab.html?cid=105732238
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/04/puppy.marine/index.html
Just as yesterday, I know this post will probably show up two times. I've waited for several minutes and it is not there so here we go again....
Posted by: Karolenna | March 7, 2008 12:30 PM
testy
Posted by: Hussein Horsedooty! | March 7, 2008 12:31 PM
TECH UPDATE: CQ is working on comment glitch
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| March 7, 2008 12:49 PM
It looks like the Monster comment has really worked out well for Obama's advisor. Not too many presidential campaigns hiring right now.
Posted by: Bowmanc | March 7, 2008 12:52 PM
AP wrote: "Yeah, right. Blame Kerry for the Nazi Republicans changing the date of the Primary."
Actually, AP, that's not what I'm blaming Kerry for - that is Dean's fault. Yes...the Republicans moved the primary in FL but it was Dean and those yahoos on the DNC committee that pounded their feet and said...if you do this your votes don't count. The Republican Legislator laughed and said...OK
What I'm blaming Kerry for is his persistence in wanting to circumvent the nomination process. He is just one of many that are saying this should all end for the so called "good of the party" but I can assure you...he's the ring leader.
Plenty of blame to go around AP. The Republicans are bad dudes...not doubt about it - but the Democrats continually shoot themselves and trip over their feet. They look like amateurs...perhaps that's why it's time for a woman to lead the party.
Posted by: Hill Yeah Wendy! | March 7, 2008 12:54 PM
And BTW AP - they were all allowed to "fund raise" in FL and Obama and Edwards both held fund raisers in the state as well.
Obama is the only one that ran ads
Who broke the rules AP?
Let's get over the rules...this is politics...
Let's talk about how the Democrats win in November -
FL is so close to going blue and yet the DNC wanted to puff out their chest and pound it with their fists while the Republican Gov. and Leg. laughed at them. They need to figure out how NOT to disenfranchise FL voters.
And AP - I agreed with your plan so why you yellin' at me.
Posted by: Hill Yeah Wendy! | March 7, 2008 12:58 PM
Samantha Powers (when she isn't dropping the f-bomb and calling names)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2ziykixN-M
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 12:59 PM
Pogo wrote: "Hillary doesn't stand much chance in MS - it is a very poor, conservative, backward state in much of the state"
I agree 100% plus she made that bone head remark that even though she apologized...one can't back out of too easily. That's why she should put a lot of resources into WY and see if she can pull an upset (unlikely I know) and at least split the news cycle with him.
Posted by: Hill Yeah Wendy! | March 7, 2008 1:01 PM
Here's a snap shot of MS
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/vote2008/state.php?state=MS
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 1:04 PM
Obama Says He Won Michigan
http://youtube.com/watch?v=R5Gqm8sZ6vg&feature=related
Posted by: GORDO | March 7, 2008 1:05 PM
Just testing to see if the machine is still eating posts...
Posted by: Julia
| March 7, 2008 1:07 PM
The Clintons say PA is like Ohio and they expect to win there. James Carville has made the comment many times that PA is much different than other states in that it is like three separate states (not his exact quote).
Enthusiasm Tilts Toward Obama in Pa.
STROUDSBURG, Pa. (AP) - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton starts her campaign in Pennsylvania as the favorite to win the April 22 primary.
“But in random interviews last week with dozens of voters in swing districts across the state, much of the Democratic voter enthusiasm seemed to tilt toward rival Barack Obama, not only because he is a fresh face, but because they believe he has the best shot at beating Republican nominee-in-waiting John McCain, whom they call old and out-of-touch.”
“Kate Clark, 53, a cafe owner in Nazareth, a small town near Allentown, said she struggled with her choice. Tempted to vote for Clinton because of her gender, she said Obama's energy and vision ultimately won out. I think we need to see the United States and see the world through eyes that are younger, through eyes that have dreams, through eyes that see something new for the nation," Clark said.”
Kate, exactly my opinion. Gone with the old. In with the new. I like rolling the dice when there is a good chance for change!
http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=213&sid=1359645
Posted by: Karolenna | March 7, 2008 1:09 PM
CQ Tech Dept tweaked and seems to have fixed our comment posting probs. As always, report any problems to cqtrailmix@verizon.net
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| March 7, 2008 1:21 PM
Coulter back on MSNBC -- it's funny" to refer to Obama's middle name
"Summary: In an appearance on MSNBC, right-wing pundit Ann Coulter again referred to Sen. Barack Obama as "B. Hussein Obama." When asked by host Amy Robach, "Why don't you like to say "Barack Obama"? Coulter replied, "Because I think it's funny. I mean, it wouldn't be -- this hysteria from the Democrats about how you can't call him by his middle name. ... Of course there's a reason we call him that."
http://mediamatters.org/items/200803070001?f=h_latest
Posted by: GORDO | March 7, 2008 1:31 PM
"I like rolling the dice when there is a good chance for change!"
LOL
Back in the days when I practiced many youthful indiscretions, I rolled them bones a few times. Ya Knooooow. I never remember coming out on top very many times but I sure as hell lost the rent money more than once.
One of the things I hate about George Bush is that he just loves to stir shit up to see what happens. He even brags about it.
Presidents should be like a banker, cautious, prudent. Thinking things out before you take that step off the cliff is good.
I'm not a revolution for the hell of it type of person
Posted by: whskyjack | March 7, 2008 1:39 PM
Coulter said: "I mean, terrorism does throw things off this year, but if you assume, as I tend to, that this is going to be a Democrat year, the choice is between B. Hussein Obama and Hillary Clinton. And I do think Hillary Clinton would be tougher with the terrorists. I think she'd probably be worse on domestic policy, but right now, the war on terrorism has me more concerned."
http://mediamatters.org/items/200803070001?f=h_latest
Posted by: GORDO | March 7, 2008 1:46 PM
Interesting numbers from Rasmussen on do-overs in MI and FL - could almost point to them and say - instead of a do over - split the vote in MI and leave as is in FL - that is if Rasmussen wasn't one of the most inaccurate polls going right now.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/
Still...something to do with our time till PA
Posted by: Hill Yeah Wendy! | March 7, 2008 1:46 PM
Clinton within 6 points of Obama in Mississippi
http://www.internetnewsagency.com/news_detail.aspx?sid=172
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | March 7, 2008 1:58 PM
Whskjack,
With regard to the “roll the dice” comment, of course you know that was merely a reference to Bill Clinton’s remark about those who vote for Obama. If Obama’s campaign and how it is run financially is any indication, he would most certainly seem to operate like a banker, and is cautious and prudent. We know he is intelligent and has good judgment.
I loved the comment Jay Rockefeller made last Sunday about Obama when Hilliary said he was not even able to vote on the Iraqi resolution and that she had not even read all of it herself before voting for it. Jay said Obama DID read the entire resolution…all of it and he could not even vote for it. That’s prudent, IMO. And, Jay said Obama reads the intelligence reports regularly even though he is not on that committee. A thirst for information would most certainly be a direct opposite than the dummy now occupying the WH.
Posted by: Karolenna | March 7, 2008 2:06 PM
And Obama within 6 points of Clinton nationally.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Pulitzer winners generally don't have a foot in their mouth.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 2:06 PM
Funny thing about "rolling the dice" comments is that it is still flying about the air-ways but no longer is it hurting HRC.
Even BHO supporters use it.
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 2:08 PM
Oft-ignored Wyoming has its moment
"The race is extremely tight. Wyoming is all alone on the weekend Democratic schedule. And though its caucuses will choose only a dozen of the 4,000 Democratic delegates — in a state where the last two Democratic presidential nominees pulled less than 30 percent of the general election vote — Wyoming suddenly finds itself in the national spotlight."
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_8483272
Posted by: GORDO | March 7, 2008 2:09 PM
business as usual.
You should send that experience to the Clinton headquarters. They were asking for anyone knowing of irregularities.
I do not believe he won ALL those caucuses on the up and up. Don't you find it strange he won all those caucuses and she won all the big states? Come on now logically that does not make sense. I think caucus people for Hillary were intimidated, or something to that effect.
I think Fl and Mich will be seated. It is too expensive to redo and Obama and Hillary were equal there no one campaigned in Fl. As for Mich. he took his name off.. No one forced him to do that.
Posted by: Carol
| March 7, 2008 2:12 PM
business as usual.
You should send that experience to the Clinton headquarters. They were asking for anyone knowing of irregularities.
I do not believe he won ALL those caucuses on the up and up. Don't you find it strange he won all those caucuses and she won all the big states? Come on now logically that does not make sense. I think caucus people for Hillary were intimidated, or something to that effect.
I think Fl and Mich will be seated. It is too expensive to redo and Obama and Hillary were equal there no one campaigned in Fl. As for Mich. he took his name off.. No one forced him to do that.
Posted by: Carol
| March 7, 2008 2:12 PM
PS, Obama stroke out and Hillary made a home run. So no one is on first. haha
Posted by: Carol
| March 7, 2008 2:14 PM
For all...
I found that when I make a comment and hit submit it does not show up when the page refreshes, however if I rerefresh the comment shows up.
Just submit your comment and after the page reloads refresh the page and your comment will appear.
Try that.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 2:20 PM
Hill Yeah Wendy!...
Sorry, I misunderstood your comment.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 2:22 PM
Hill Yeah Wendy! ...
So when does Hillary dump Mark Penn?
He needs to go as well.
God Bless.
Got to go back to work now.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 2:25 PM
AP has found the key now that cq has gotten the site working again.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 2:27 PM
pogo...
I still have to do that after I leave a comment.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 2:32 PM
Gordo, I wouldn't (am not) getting too excited about Wyoming - it's just the sort of state that Obama has had big victories in over the last month. Staying close in MS & WY wil be about as good as Hillary can expect to get in those states. There has a been a swing nationally, but those states are deeply red, and Hillary hasn't done well in republican states, with or without large black voting populations.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 2:34 PM
AP, yep, me, too., but only if I want to see my own words again.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 2:35 PM
Steven, pull up a chair, make yourself at home, and don't be a stranger. Stick around and I'll try to talk you out of voting for McCain, no matter the outcome of teh dem primary season.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 2:39 PM
AP has called for Penn's head twice today - I have previously, but I suspect for very different reasons. Just curious, and I know AP went back to work, but has Penn said something unfairly critical of Obama's character that would warrant his dismissal? May be, but if so I've not seen it.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 2:47 PM
pogo...
I'm getting ready to leave work and checked it to see what the new comments were.
It helps me remember the time so I don't re read already read comments.
You wonder about Penn.
Try the Drug innuendos he brought up a couple of times. You remember, after he brought it up we started seeing the "how many times did he do drugs, did he sell drugs and many more other things which at my age I'd have to dig deep in my mind to remember.
I believe that there was also a couple other things, but they slip my tin foil hat mind at present.
Anyway I'm shutting down my machine and heading home.
Catch you later.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 2:57 PM
Steven, I have two words for you - Supreme Court. And I have three words for you - three likely vacancies. I don't need any other reason, all other things equal, to vote Dem in Nov. I've watched Dumya savage the constitution, and a swing of 3 more conservative justices would IMHO likely set up a perfect storm for the erosion of most of the constitutional rights that have been articulated from the Warren Court to today. I don't buy the threat of terror BS as a justification for Iraq, the Patriot Act, the extension of FISA, electronically eavesdropping on US telephone calls, TSA making me take my shoes off, take my laptop out, carry miniature toiletries and give up the duty free booze I could have bought in the airport to get to a plane or any other of the utter nonsense that has been visited on us in the past 7 years. Plus, I really don't want the government letting the states tell doctors how to treat pregnant women. And constitutional concerns aside, with the wimpy leadership provided by Reid and Pelosi, a McCain presidency will get its way on economic and domestic issues that are very real to everyone, and the country will be a worse mess than it is now by the time he's done with it. I could go on, but will spare you for now.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 3:01 PM
Steven former nyc
Welcome. It's a little testy around here at present, but should return to its more pleasant discussion phase once we get past the convention.
Posted by: jamie | March 7, 2008 3:14 PM
NEWSFLASH!!!
(And, this is on the record)
Hilliary Rodham Clinton IS a monster.
Isn't it funny how she is still trying to keep this in the news and Obama dismissed the person just after the "off the record" remark was made. How long did it take HRC to rid her campaign of the monster who kept using the cocaine word on the airways?
Three complete days!
She is a monster.
And for those who like to ha, ha, ha.
Here's to you. Ha, Ha, Ha, even though it is childish!!!
Posted by: Karolenna | March 7, 2008 3:14 PM
OK, I've tried to find the quote from Penn - I do recall him saying something like acting like Ken Starr won't win him the presidency - describing campaign tactics and comparing them to the relentless pursuit of all things Clinton and referencing drug use as described by the candidate (although I do agree that the suggestions of him possibly selling drugs was completely out of line and in no way supported by the reference to MJ and blow in his book and would be appropriate grounds to get rid of the person making those suggestons) is not the same IMHO as calling the opposing candidate a monster (although in this case and with Ken Starr the distinction is admittedly a fine one). I really would like to re-read the quote if anyone can find it and link it.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 3:23 PM
karolenna, I suggest you read the article that the paper that published Power's comment published. The remark was in the context of an interview during her book tour, and was on the record.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 3:27 PM
Well, I am getting ready to order those nose mittens for August (hey, it can get cold in the Rocky Mts. that time of the year)...
Maybe a group discount because I smell a "dream team" a coming...
http://www.originaludderbalm.com/gear/nosewarmers.php
Posted by: Blonde wino
| March 7, 2008 3:30 PM
Pogo,
I would agree with you about the Supreme Court and that is truly a great reason to ponder such a vote.
Jamie,
After reading this post for weeks I found it a refreshing oasis except for one very discordant individual who i shall not name except to say "B" is affiliated with nyc.
Steven former nyc
Posted by: Steven former nyc | March 7, 2008 3:39 PM
Karolenna: "How long did it take HRC to rid her campaign of the monster who kept using the cocaine word on the airways?"
The guy who talked about cocaine may be a monster. But, why was it wrong talking about the cocaine?
We've already had one president who has had substance abuse problems. How has that worked out for the country? So, why are concerns about Mr Obama's drug use out of bounds?
I guess it probably makes a difference whether or not you 've done the substances in question; I haven't. But, I sure did a job with booze. If someone wanted to make an issue of what I did when I was drinking, then that would be fair game. But the fact that I was drinking was not an issue because it was not illegal, was not done on the job, was not done while driving, etc.
But, none of those escape clauses apply to illegal drugs..
Posted by: Flatus
| March 7, 2008 3:41 PM
Steven former nyc.....
welcome to the blog....
Blonde wino.... LOVED your light bulb jokes....
hey.... I found some good buys today.....
bought a beautiful Italian fleece shirt..... Rick bought some new googles and had his skis sharpened...
Pogo.... I remember that little store..... when we used to stay at the Black Bear Lodge in Waterville Valley, we always went there..... and yes... they had awesome donuts.....
this is our last night here..... be back home by tomorrow afternoon..... can't wait to see my cats...
Posted by: hot tubbin' Renee | March 7, 2008 3:42 PM
Q. Why was Power canned and Goolsbee kept?
A. Because he's a man and really needs the job.
Posted by: Flatus
| March 7, 2008 3:43 PM
Corey
To suggest that B nyc whines is to suggest he has a fault!
Posted by: Steven former nyc | March 7, 2008 3:50 PM
AP wrote: "So when does Hillary dump Mark Penn? He needs to go as well."
AP - we don't disagree...loose cannon that one.
Posted by: Hill Yeah Wendy! | March 7, 2008 3:53 PM
Pogo
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Clinton_aide_compares_Obama_to_Ken_Starr.html
http://www.newser.com/story/20916.html?rss=y
There are two links to the Penn remark. There is also something on Huffington
Posted by: jamie | March 7, 2008 3:54 PM
hi Blonde
I admire your penchant for trying to reform B nyc the hopelessness of the cause is most attractive.\
Posted by: Steven former nyc | March 7, 2008 3:56 PM
Hi Steven former NYC
Welcome!
We need more like you 'round these parts...hope you'll stick around.
Posted by: Hill Yeah Wendy! | March 7, 2008 3:57 PM
"No, it was off the record. In journalistic terms, that means “off the record”. Stop recording. I just watched an interview on television while having lunch"
Not quite. The author of the article was interviewed. The British custom (which Powers knew) is that whether something is on or off the record is set up before hand. She knew she was being taped and did not say "off the record" until AFTER she had made the remark. She goofed and got caught.
Posted by: jamie | March 7, 2008 4:01 PM
Pogo - regarding Penn - no, he hasn't said anything about O' but his ranting and raving and then trying to throw others in the campaign under the bus publicly just prior to jr. Tuesday is worth getting rid of him. That said, Hill thinks it's worth keeping him around...she clearly knows something we don't...or he does ROFL.
Posted by: Hill Yeah Wendy! | March 7, 2008 4:01 PM
Steven
Obamaniacs can eventually be de-programmed.
At first, they all try to get you to read his books to understand him. Don't fall for it. The only books to read here are Craig's books (available on Amazon).
Posted by: Blonde wino
| March 7, 2008 4:03 PM
Wendy
I have read this blog for weeks but have never posted. My admiration for Craig C. brought in here. Wendy you have stood out as one of my favorites.
Posted by: Steven former nyc | March 7, 2008 4:03 PM
Well, basketball tourney calls, aand I must answer that call. Everyoone have a good weekend.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 4:06 PM
The person who has used the word cocaine the most and first is Chris Matthews. Are you calling for his firing?
Posted by: Bill Shaheen | March 7, 2008 4:07 PM
Pogo - I don't think Penn made the Ken Starr crack - I believe it was Wolfson.
Posted by: Hill Yeah Wendy! | March 7, 2008 4:07 PM
Karolenna: "Well, if we count Clinton, we’ve had two! Obama at least talked about his in a book, and he was a teen at that. Not an adult as Clinton said he was (in college)."
My bad. It seems likely that there were more than those two. Clinton was attacked for it. Remember--he "didn't inhale." Yeah, I know.
But, of course, it's Sen Clinton who's running. The closest I've come to total candor about her coming of age period were the series of letters she wrote to her acquaintance while she was in college. (I thought those were remarkably nice, but then I'm a sentimentalist.)
I really wasn't trying to set up another round of attacks with this--it really does concern me. But, then, I'm from another generation.
Posted by: Flatus
| March 7, 2008 4:08 PM
Blonde
If only it were that simple. Might be easier to paper train though...
Posted by: Steven former nyc | March 7, 2008 4:09 PM
Wendy you have stood out as one of my favorites.
Posted by: Steven former nyc | March 7, 2008 4:03 PM
[she blushes]
ah shucks...thanks Steve.
Posted by: Hill Yeah Wendy! | March 7, 2008 4:10 PM
I don't get the whole "Hillary is a monster!" nonsense. As the Beastie Boys once said:
"Be careful what you make fun of , or you might become it."
Posted by: Corey
| March 7, 2008 4:11 PM
Thanks, jamie - so it was Wolfson?
Now I really gotta go.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 4:12 PM
It's getting way to serious out there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG258rZfcBc
Posted by: jamie | March 7, 2008 4:16 PM
A great but not very sincere apology
Network Apologizes For Mocking Town Name
A cable sports network says it no longer will make Athol the butt of its jokes.
Photos
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/03/06/national/a143008S11.DTL
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | March 7, 2008 4:17 PM
Thank you, Jamie...Edwards looks good. I understand that today he stated he wished the candidates were talking issues rather than name calling.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| March 7, 2008 4:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snq5ey8P0vM&feature=related
REALLY , not serious!
Posted by: Corey
| March 7, 2008 4:20 PM
The person who has used the word cocaine the most and first is Chris Matthews. Are you calling for his firing?
Posted by: Bill Shaheen | March 7, 2008 4:07 PM
Well....couldn't hurt...
Obama's cocaine stuff is contrived anyway - the O' character of his books is a composite to make his hard luck story seem well...even harder and therefore more inspirational.
These kind of fake memoirs, as many of you may know, are all the rage now.
The newest: Margaret B. Jones
Oprah herself has been duped twice:
James Fry
Barack Obama
[snickers and walks out of the room]
Posted by: Hill Yeah Wendy! | March 7, 2008 4:21 PM
KGC and Jamie...thank you for the laughs. Got to run.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| March 7, 2008 4:23 PM
POWERS RESIGNS
Well, Craig where ever you are, I called the Powers resignation last night right here. I do appreciate Powers' stand against genocide however. Obama was not thinking in giving her as much influence given her history of remarks. Noah POllack does take her apart. She obviously shares Obama's idea that human rights (selectively approached) trumps national security.
Obama had no choice, but this is very bad news for him. She admits Obama screwed up contrary to his campaign spin, calls Hillary a monster which she rarely calls those promoting genocide and insults the people of Ohio who will not forget how trusted Powers was. I called her meltdown weeks ago here.
Next up, Malley, but then Obama doesn't want any face to face meetings with him. Zbig is laying low...LOL Rice had better be very careful, but already she said Obama isn't ready for that 3am call. Yes, she said Hillary isn't either, but here's the thing: Hillary was there to advocate for Kosovo. She was there to support Desert Fox. She has met with European leaders and military officials in Europe. She is on record for tough sanctions and a big stick. She can make a case that refutes Rice, but having said Obama isn't ready for that call, Rice now puts him on the spot. I give her a month or so before she stumbles.
Zbig, Rice, Malley...Lake...it's getting pretty thin. And as Rezdog has pointed out, when the Foreign Relations committee had to take up topic of Obama's sub committee because he never held a meeting and the issues were so important), Obama missed that meeting as well...LOL. The very topic of NATO and Afghanistan Obama rants about and he didn't show up. Holy crap.
I would take VP if offered, but then I don't think his judgement is wise enough.
Posted by: Maxtrue | March 7, 2008 4:27 PM
Wendy,
Since he thinks so little of your intellect, he needs someone to beat up. Friday night in an Obama chat room...LOL Maybe Powers will make a guest appearance.
Posted by: Maxtrue | March 7, 2008 4:34 PM
Max - no - it's clearly worse than just wanting to beat up on me - he's now actually confusing me with Karolenna...which in my book is far worse than being called an idiot or having my intellect questioned
[shivers]
Posted by: Hill Yeah Wendy! | March 7, 2008 4:37 PM
if anybody is interested in bill and hillary's financials and her tax returns check out this article
http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2008/03/07/vetting_candidates/
Posted by: zumper | March 7, 2008 4:48 PM
I added the feed to my netvibes...i'll pop in for a visit - try to give you a hand if you need it - but I have feeling you can pretty much hold your own.
Posted by: Hill Yeah Wendy! | March 7, 2008 4:50 PM
NEWSFLASH!!!
(And, this is on the record)
Hilliary Rodham Clinton IS a monster.
Isn't it funny how she is still trying to keep this in the news and Obama dismissed the person just after the "off the record" remark was made. How long did it take HRC to rid her campaign of the monster who kept using the cocaine word on the airways?
Three complete days!
She is a monster.
And for those who like to ha, ha, ha.
Here's to you. Ha, Ha, Ha, even though it is childish!!!
Posted by: Karolenna | March 7, 2008 3:14 PM
+++++++++++++
Knowing that it IS childish, what was the point of you posting such an inane comment?
Posted by: EuroTom
| March 7, 2008 4:54 PM
Hillary's best hope is to be the VP on the ticket. Other than that, Democratic political suicide.
Posted by: alpha1906
| March 7, 2008 4:54 PM
“Max - no - it's clearly worse than just wanting to beat up on me - he's now actually confusing me with Karolenna...which in my book is far worse than being called an idiot or having my intellect questioned”
So now you are calling me an idiot. I've never wanted to be called an intellectual. Just sane and objective about the best candidate for president!! No other comment except I've noticed more than a few rants of yours!!
Posted by: Karolenna | March 7, 2008 4:59 PM
The Clinton Library is the eleventh Presidential Library administered by the National Archives and Records Administration.
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 5:00 PM
“I really wasn't trying to set up another round of attacks with this--it really does concern me. But, then, I'm from another generation.”
Flatus,
You and I are probably of the same generation. I have no idea of your age, but even though I lived through the hippie days, Kent State riots, OSU riots, and (well) went braless (doesn’t that sound naive today? It was a big deal back then) I never did the drug scene. Never have.
Here’s something to make you feel good especially after the ugly dog video clip. Reminds me of one of my favorite movies that is currently playing on television right now: “Second-Hand Lions”. I just love that movie.
http://www.telestereo.com/Archivos/video.html
Posted by: Karolenna | March 7, 2008 5:01 PM
"I understand that today he stated he wished the candidates were talking issues rather than name calling."
I wonder if they are talking issues, but the media only blathers on about "monsters" Maybe I'll check BBC later to find out what is happening in the world.
Posted by: jamie | March 7, 2008 5:12 PM
EuroTom
I agree with your sentiment completely. B nyc prose flatulence should be ignored.
Posted by: Steven former nyc | March 7, 2008 5:19 PM
way harsh B nyc
Posted by: Steven former nyc | March 7, 2008 5:22 PM
ET
You might want to read up on the custom of shunning. It does wonderful things for the blood pressure :)
Posted by: jamie | March 7, 2008 5:22 PM
Bob Marley once sang "In the abundance of water, the fool is thirsty", after reading your collective comments, I see people should keep the glasses coming.
With regards to Florida and Michigan, those states decided they wanted to make a power play. Rather than follow party rules, they decided to jump up so they could exert extra influence on the race. They have decided to hold the Democratic party hostage by insisting their delegates be seated, even though they were told they would lose them if they moved their primary.
The fact that Clinton is demanding they be seated, just affirms the remarks the Obama aide made, she will do anything to win. Clinton, Romney and Giuliani should be put on the new Mount Crapmore as a symbol of how to run a truly pathetic campaign, considering their financial resources.
Obama has run well but he is starting to wilt under the pressure. Clinton is running in such a way that her unfavorables will exceed 50% beating only Osama Bin Laden in a head to head in November.
McCain will be challenged to run for the 3rd term while somehow shedding the stink of W. He must have sold his soul to the devil to have the inside chance of winning because he has Beavis and Butthead trying to close on the other side...unreal...
I'm not sure of the tylermarsh whore on this website, but I have seen withdrawing meth addicts with a tighter grip on reality. If you are the typical Democrat, then I am comfortable that Rick "man on dog" Santourum could with in this election year.
Thank God Ronald Reagan is shining down upon us now!
Posted by: Amused Onlooker | March 7, 2008 5:31 PM
"Passion, of course, is fine. Calling someone a "monster"? Sort of counterproductive. It's good that Power has zipped her lips. But the fact is, one prominent adviser can't do nearly as much damage as millions of anonymous, "infrahumanizing" voices. And they only seem to be getting louder."
http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/03/07/the-real-problem-with-power-s-monster-remark.aspx
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 5:32 PM
Amused Onlooker - your writing style seems familiar
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 5:35 PM
Something important in the news. Sad story.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080307/ap_on_re_us/student_president_killed;_ylt=AiNjWlkDRqZBxrn7VM3xe_as0NUE
Posted by: Corey
| March 7, 2008 5:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2ziykixN-M
This is speaks to BHO's integrity about his promises regarding IRAQ - his ex-advisor Samantha Powers on a show called Hardtalk.
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 5:49 PM
I guess " monster " has to be added to the word list.
Maybe HRC didn't want any of the young voters to be afraid of her ???
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 5:55 PM
Early this morning, I posted a joke to lighten thngs up. Lordy,think I should have kept it until this afternoon.
Max, your post on stance of Obama and Hillary, excellent.. She definitely has him on Experience, foreign policy, and just good old common sense.
My granny used to have a saying, s*** in one hand and hope in the other and see which one you get first.
BHO hope stance is sure getting old fast..
His biggest hope is that he can continue to flim flam the folks for couple more months to the white house. The Least vetted canidate in 50 years!!!
Posted by: young 73 | March 7, 2008 6:09 PM
is Monster code word for B*tch?
SNL, skit about b*tch is the new black, didn't seem to cause any problem
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 6:10 PM
I found it! I found it! This is bomb, bomb, bomb,
Bomb, bomb, Iran
McLame!
I have tried to find this commercial...forever.
Every single time I see this commercial I think of McLame. Tell me this speaking style reminds you of him. I love this commercial, especially at the end when they show the guy grown up who says “The End”. The title is Founders Day 1975.
http://www.bestads.tv/view/1185/royal-bank-of-scotland-founders-day-1975/
Posted by: Karolenna | March 7, 2008 6:12 PM
Young - I think everyone's granny or grandpa, had that saying....interchange "hope" for "wish" etc. I know I have heard it before...many times
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 6:13 PM
I think allthe canidate talk way too long......by the time they are finished you are so happy it's over....whatever happen to leave them wanting more?????
Funny Commercial
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 6:16 PM
Of course, my grammy used to say "you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear". No one intended, though!
But, the one I really like is "you can gather more flies with honey than you can with vinegar". Now, I can think of someone in that category!
As my "friends" on here would say, ha, ha, ha!
Posted by: Karolenna | March 7, 2008 6:18 PM
It is entertaining to see the turning of the spotlight onto all things Obama. They were warned on this very blog, that it was inevitable that the press would turn on them. Just like sharks when they smell blood in the water.
Don't complain that it is unfair that the press took Clinton's bait. Deal with it. Questions will be asked... better have some good answers, and remember keep those helpers on a short leash, they'll get you in deep trouble.
I would love to see the internal memos in the Obama camp telling people to keep on message and not to give any opinions, I Think I Can, I Think I Can...
Posted by: Bowmanc
| March 7, 2008 6:26 PM
This was a joke told by Jay Leno recently.
"Everyone is so concerned now where all of the candidates are born. McCain was born on a military base in Panama. Hillary was born outside Chicago, and if you believe the media, Barack Obama was born in a manger." --Jay Leno
Posted by: Corey
| March 7, 2008 6:28 PM
Hillary hasn't wasted any time. I just got an e-mail using the monster thing to ask for more donations.
Oh Mercy, the indignation. How ingnomonious. I actually think this is a pretty lousy request, but I bet the bucks will be rolling in.
Here is part of it.
Just one day after Senator Obama promised to begin attacking Hillary, a senior Obama advisor has called her a "monster."
That's right -- a "monster."
At the same time, Senator Obama's aides have begun rehashing the old negative attacks of the 90's against Hillary.
This is not the politics of hope -- it's the usual attack style politics that we have seen time and time again.
And it must stop.
Only you can make that happen. A small contribution now -- even as little as $5 -- will show the Obama campaign that there is a price to this kind of attack politics.
Make a contribution to stop the Obama attacks.
Posted by: Bowmanc
| March 7, 2008 6:36 PM
And the classic:
If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.
Posted by: jamie | March 7, 2008 6:40 PM
My Dad once made the comment of "You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear." to an aunt of mine. He was referring to himself. She said. "Don't ever say that! Someone once said that about me and it was very hurtful!"
"Don't look now , but there's one too many in this room and I think it's you." - Groucho Marx
Posted by: Corey
| March 7, 2008 6:41 PM
well after my nap, I have decided that this list is way to rancorous for an old fart like me to have a part. I am really tired of reading that Clinton is this and Obama is that. This is just one upmanship and lastwordism. It doesn't seem to have much of anything to do with politics Both sides are just as guilty and I just don't have enough time or interest to read any of it. I hope you all grow up in the next few weeks and I hope if your candidate is not selected you will vote for the Dem left standing. If not, get ready for 4 or 8 more years of much the same. One of the things l learned last week when I was in a very conservative setting and I was one of the few left leaning there was that the cowboys and I agreed to disagree politically and we had some discourse and it never got this bad. Maybe because we were face to face and not some online identity was the reason or maybe it was that we decided to be adults and show the manners our parents passed on to us.
Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.
Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!
Posted by: Hussein Horsedooty! | March 7, 2008 6:43 PM
well after my nap, I have decided that this list is way to rancorous for an old fart like me to have a part. I am really tired of reading that Clinton is this and Obama is that. This is just one upmanship and lastwordism. It doesn't seem to have much of anything to do with politics Both sides are just as guilty and I just don't have enough time or interest to read any of it. I hope you all grow up in the next few weeks and I hope if your candidate is not selected you will vote for the Dem left standing. If not, get ready for 4 or 8 more years of much the same. One of the things l learned last week when I was in a very conservative setting and I was one of the few left leaning there was that the cowboys and I agreed to disagree politically and we had some discourse and it never got this bad. Maybe because we were face to face and not some online identity was the reason or maybe it was that we decided to be adults and show the manners our parents passed on to us.
Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.
Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!
Posted by: Hussein Horsedooty! | March 7, 2008 6:47 PM
So Hillary just flat out tells a Mississippi audience that they need to vote for her because she's a woman. That's it. Pure pandering. If Barack Obama had gone before an audience and said vote for him because he's an African American, all holy hell would have broken out.
Posted by: alpha1906
| March 7, 2008 6:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QShSmpI0r9k
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 6:52 PM
alpha,
Don't you think the audiences already knows HRC is a woman and BHO is black?
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 6:55 PM
Obama and Oprah both made direct appeal to black voters.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2007/11/sweet_blog_special_black_ameri.html
Posted by: Ok to pander to race not gender | March 7, 2008 6:59 PM
I know this has been brought up before, but let's consider the fallout from Power's second interview in which she explained 16 month exit from Iraq is a stretch and of course, Obama has shortened it to 12 months;
"Power's comments about Iraq came in an interview with the BBC. She said Obama's position is that withdrawing all U.S. troops within 16 months is a "best-case scenario" that he will revisit if he becomes president.
"He will, of course, not rely on some plan that he's crafted as a presidential candidate or a U.S. senator," she said. "He will rely upon a plan - an operational plan - that he pulls together in consultation with people who are on the ground to whom he doesn't have daily access now, as a result of not being the president."
Obama has actually shortened his original 16-month commitment to say he'll end the war in 2009. Obama advisers say President Bush's plan to draw troops down to 15 brigades this year means Obama could complete the removal in a year.
In Mississippi, Clinton questioned the Iraq comments based on Obama's public statements.
"He has attacked me continuously for having no hard exit date, and now we learn he doesn't have one, in fact he doesn't have a plan at all," Clinton told reporters.
Obama told voters in Casper, Wyo., that Clinton has no standing to question his resolve because she voted in 2002 to authorize the war.
"If it had been up to me, we would have never been in this war," Obama said, his voice rising. "It was because of George Bush, with an assist from Hillary Clinton and John McCain, that we got into this war.
"I will end it in 2009," he said. "She doesn't have standing to question my position on this issue."
So let me get this right. No one who voted for the resolution authorizing force has any standing to QUESTION Obama? Well, Powers didn't vote and he doesn't address her comments, does he? Biden, Edwards, Kerry have no standing to question Obama and by implication Obama has far better foreign policy judgement than Biden.
Now Wyoming has voted Democrat twice in fifty years. I suppose a victory there with the help of Republicans who see a wounded duck they would love to face will produce a reason to nominate Obama. He will claim another Red State that will go Blue in November...LOL. Silly isn't it?
Advise for Clinton? Bury Sandy Burger, completely. period. Battle every State and start to focus on the remaining Obama advisors. Explain "preconditions" for talking to Cuba, Iran, Syria. What if talks fail? No slip ups by Hillary supporters. Bill could talk about Hillary as a sound board for some 3am calls.
"Now Rice said that Obama is up to that 3am call. She might be right, but let me explain why I'm ready for that call...." NK, Kosovo, Iraq. "I voted to restrict travel on Quds who now are in Caracas, Lebanon arming Hizb'Allah and Iin raq. I advocate using sanctions to pressure our adversaries, before America is endangered. Reacting to events is not how great nations lead. To avert conflict we must unite with our many friends who share the same concerns and thwart danger before it is capable to threaten us. In doing so, we can avert bloodshed and warfare.My first days in office will involve consulting our allies and working out a strategy we all can commit to and protect our common interests and ideology"
Pressure will extend the number of days Obama hasn't had a positive outing after March 4th. Economy, national security, healthcare are the big three. Keep an eye on the media and have a quick response to the major networks, cable and pundits who talk trash while nuturing those with interviews and civility. Use Bill wisely perhaps on national security, economy and why Florida and Michigan should count.
Posted by: Maxtrue | March 7, 2008 7:05 PM
But, what's especially interesting about reading Oprah's Web site is why some of those fans seem to be upset: the way she stumped for Obama, they say, seemed to pit white against black.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/14/oprah-getting-backlash-from-some-fans-for-obama-support/
Posted by: Ok to pander to race not gender | March 7, 2008 7:06 PM
After the Texas vote, Obama brought up the story about the old black guy from Africa waiting to see his dream come true before he dies. Obama has brought up his blackness a zillion times (Lincoln, MLK, etc.) and what's worse, his camp has used the race card against the Clintons as blacks have fueled his lead. He even rips off Malcom X, so what's the point?
Okay for Obama but not for Hillary? Well, at least Hillary doesn't have her people call Obama a monster...LOL
Young 73, thanks...
Posted by: Maxtrue | March 7, 2008 7:11 PM
Personally, I do not watch Oprah. I used to buy her magazine but I have decided not to anymore. She has become , over the top full of herself and I do not find it inspiring or appealing. She has every right to do what she wishes, it's nice to see her being true to herself, and not hiding behind her talk show.
She's rich, powerful and black. She should do what ever the heck she wants to do. Scream it from the mountains, I could care less.
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 7:15 PM
HRC's people should take a lesson from BHO's staff mistakes, geez, how elementary is it to "stay on message"?
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 7:19 PM
Rachel Maddow is really good today. She had a meltdown over the stupidity of the media coverage of "monster" to the exclusion of real issues. She faults both Clinton and Obama being so busy bashing each other (or at least giving that appearance courtesy of the media) that they aren't attacking.
Posted by: jamie | March 7, 2008 7:22 PM
Maxtrue and all you other clueless liberals.
When will you learn the difference between bringing up your race, gender or culture and demanding people vote for you because of your race, gender or culture?
McCain is a war hero and he would never dare to ask for your vote because of it. He uses that experience to frame his winning narrative. I can say Obama has done the same thing in his own feeble way. I have yet to hear him say vote for me because I am black.
You can't deny that Hillary Clinton is demanding people vote for her because she is a woman. Also, could she find any bigger or blacker men to stand behind her on that stage in Mississippi? The only thing missing was the auctioneer.
Posted by: Smarter than you | March 7, 2008 7:29 PM
McBush has his own problem supporters
McCain Rejects Anti-Catholic Views
By LIBBY QUAID – 3 hours ago
NEW ORLEANS (AP) — Republican presidential candidate John McCain on Friday repudiated any views of a prominent televangelist who endorsed him last month "if they are anti-Catholic or offensive to Catholics."
McCain has come under fire since televangelist John Hagee endorsed him on Feb. 27, but until Friday his response had been tepid. The Arizona senator merely said he doesn't agree with everyone who endorses him. He said Friday he had been hearing from Catholics who find Hagee's comments offensive.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iE2JCSH5p9r2GBkQWS9TWAMzmuvQD8V8QK2O1
Poor Senator McCain...what will he have to reject tomorrow.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | March 7, 2008 7:31 PM
Obama just had his wife and Oprah do it for him.
If you have to tell people you're smart
Posted by: You're not! | March 7, 2008 7:34 PM
The New Republic
Race Man
by Sean Wilentz
How Barack Obama played the race card and blamed Hillary Clinton.
Post Date Wednesday, February 27, 2008
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304
Posted by: You're not! | March 7, 2008 7:38 PM
Oh, I forgot to say, as would Miss Scarlett: I was just kidding...teehee.
Posted by: Patsi | March 7, 2008 7:39 PM
"McCain is a war hero and he would never dare to ask for your vote because of it. "
Ig'nert.
"Smarter," he does it every time he opens his mouth.
Posted by: Patsi | March 7, 2008 7:42 PM
"McCain is a war hero and he would never dare to ask for your vote because of it. "
Not only are you not smarter You are just plain
ig'nert as Pats said.
What do you think this ad is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywXFhulpVPk
Posted by: You're not! | March 7, 2008 7:47 PM
Some great anagrams for "Smarter Than You"
A Trashy Remount
Aroma Entry Tush
Satan They Rumor
Trauma Set Horny
A Trashy Mounter
A Tantrum Horsey
Aroma Hens Rutty
Aroma Entry Shut
http://wordsmith.org/anagram/
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 7, 2008 7:48 PM
"If Barack Obama had gone before an audience and said vote for him because he's an African American, all holy hell would have broken out. "
Sorry, Alf. He's been doing it for a long time now....being a little careful, of course, preaching the gspel according to Obama and telling people he's Joshua to MLK's Moses, despite the fact that he shunned young black volunteers in Iowa. As the Black Agenda Report says, "You've been 'hood' winked."
Posted by: Patsi | March 7, 2008 7:52 PM
I'm not shocked when a candidate says vote for me because I'm a woman. I say good for her!
Being a woman spans all races and provides a tangible bond to each and every one of us no matter who we are.
It's not divisive, it embraces, it strengthens, it unites.
Of course, you gotta be man enough to admit it.
Posted by: Flatus
| March 7, 2008 8:03 PM
Flatus,
Good for you! well said
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 8:15 PM
Thanks for the Wilentz TNR article, whomever posted it.
I read the first quarter of it, and it is excellent. Suitable for printing, which is what I'm about to do. And then go read it carefully with a nice glass of Scotch.
I recommend the same for anyone else wanting to save a thorough documentation for future "who shot John" arguments about who played the the race card in this campaign, and when.
Night all.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 7, 2008 8:18 PM
Flatus,
You go girl!
Posted by: hil for president! | March 7, 2008 8:18 PM
The fact is, we haven''t seen the "real" Obama -- the one whose handlers keep away from the press because he is so thin skinned and temperamental....the one who has been know to call up reporters and scream. His people encouraged him to cancel morning shows before the NH primary, because he was out of sorts and they were afraid he'd implode. He's a loose cannon.
Posted by: Patsi | March 7, 2008 8:19 PM
Pssst! Hey! Now, this is "off the record", but do yas wanna see the Hillary Clinton theme song, f'real?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0thH3qnHTbI
Posted by: Dexter
| March 7, 2008 8:23 PM
"because he is so thin skinned and temperamental."
yeah lol
Kinda like that Bill Clinton isn't he?
Posted by: whskyjack | March 7, 2008 8:23 PM
Patsi - that is the real Obama. People don't change, if he is like that now, he will remain like that protected by his staff....very guarded.
Now if we could fill Michelle Obama with some Snapps (sp) I think she would open the vault !
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 8:25 PM
Once more with feeling: Off The Record
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdvrIS7-wbk
Posted by: jamie | March 7, 2008 8:28 PM
Ya Know
Michelle Obama is a hell of a lot of woman. I like that gal. It says a lot about Obama that he is able to hang on for the ride. I know a lot of men who couldn't and would be uncomfortable around her. Most of them aren't voting for HRC either.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | March 7, 2008 8:33 PM
I couldn't stand being near Michelle....not my type of person....I'd have to kick her ass.
But if Michelle were running I give her more of a look then Barack.
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 8:36 PM
...and of course , John Kerry would NEVER accept an in-vite from old McInsane for the veep job, cuz he can't sing "I Walked With A Zombie, Last Night"
But Roky Erickson can! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqig4YIDk_s
Posted by: Dexter
| March 7, 2008 8:36 PM
We often mention political families that inhabit the White House, but forget that there are political advisor families who put them there. The "Ickes" assisting the Clintons is son of the "Ickes" who assited FDR
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1624
Posted by: jamie | March 7, 2008 8:37 PM
They should be considered political "agents", like Hollywood, but D.C. style. Same idea, just different obstacles.
Anybody for the walk of fame for Washington DC ? It will happen by 2010.
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 8:42 PM
Obama says HRC is trying to scare us, and he hires 3 guys to make us feel better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01L3poHPaNI
Posted by: Dexter
| March 7, 2008 8:54 PM
Oh you awful women.
You've given me Crone's Disease!
Posted by: Brian In Infancy | March 7, 2008 9:00 PM
"Michelle....not my type of person....I'd have to kick her ass."
LOL
I'd buy a ticket to see that one.
My money goes on Michelle,
I bet she makes Barak toe the line.
LOL
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | March 7, 2008 9:02 PM
I saw this on PBS the other night. Amazing stuff!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dtoie1MD9w&feature=related
Posted by: Corey
| March 7, 2008 9:02 PM
The wing nuts will do the same to Michelle that they did to Hillary -- demonize her.
Posted by: Patsi | March 7, 2008 9:08 PM
crones or chrons
two different diseases
One is a painful debilitating disease.
The other is a disorder that turns you into an ass anytime you try to argue with women.
And you have got them both, poor boy.
Posted by: Anna Moose | March 7, 2008 9:12 PM
Lanny Davis- just said
Obama not ready to become president based upon the voters of "every major state".......so major states are worth more than minor state?
united states?
Posted by: Kathy | March 7, 2008 9:13 PM
Lanny Davis just said the Obama is not ready to be president based upon the opinion of voters in all the major states....
Posted by: Kathy | March 7, 2008 9:14 PM
Patsi
True, and for just the reasons I mentioned.
But we don't have to help by being just as stupid as some hill country red neck type.
Do we?
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | March 7, 2008 9:24 PM
Corey,
Fayard and Harold were incredible. They have dance routines that others have never matched. I think my favorite routine is from "Stormy Weather" with Cab Calloway
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBb9hTyLjfM&feature=related
Posted by: jamie | March 7, 2008 9:37 PM
Little tiny states got no reason
Little tiny states got no reason
Little tiny states got no reason
To count
They got little electoral votes
And little population
And they walk around
thinkin' they count in this nation
Well, I don't want no little tiny states
Don't want no little tiny states
Don't want no little tiny states
Round here
little tiny states got nobody
little tiny states got nobody
little tiny states got nobody
and no electoral votes
They got to push theirway to the front
And they push big states back
Howard Dean has to pick them up
Just to say hello
They got little tiny caucuses
That go beep, beep, beep
They got little voices
Goin' peep, peep, peep
They got grubby little fingers
And dirty little minds
They're gonna get you every time
Well, I don't want no tiny little states
Don't want no tiny little states
Don't want no tiny little states
'Round here
Posted by: Electoral College of Knowledge | March 7, 2008 9:38 PM
Yep , Obama doesn't need Hillary. Here's proof.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uyAXni-KSc
Posted by: Corey
| March 7, 2008 10:02 PM
Yeah , Jamie. That clip was amazing , too!
Posted by: Corey
| March 7, 2008 10:04 PM
http://www.270towin.com/
Here's the map
see how far you ge with those little tiny states
McCain thinks he can carry California
http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/03/04/mccain-i-can-compete-in-california/
Posted by: Electoral College of Knowledge | March 7, 2008 10:06 PM
Gee I thought the cult was having a private chat
Not enough koolaide drinkers show up?
Posted by: Electoral College of Knowledge | March 7, 2008 10:08 PM
Remember this guy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy9mG_ecFlA&feature=user
Posted by: Corey
| March 7, 2008 10:10 PM
McCain could play well in California. They like to elect moderate Republicans. If Obama keeps hugging Ted Kennedy until August then McCain gets the moderate ground with no opposition.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | March 7, 2008 10:11 PM
Anyone could make Barack toe the line.....that's child's play
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 10:17 PM
Obama supporters edged out Clinton supporters in the Texas caucuses by arriving early and either locking the doors or taking charge of the packets explaining how the caucuses were to proceed.
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB120477008315515593-mG_ppSikZyjSCrWFiNKqWsXrF8o_20080404.html?mod=tff_main_tff_top
Obama cheats to win in the caucuses
O yeah the candidate that will do anything to win....
Posted by: Electoral College of Knowledge | March 7, 2008 10:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRO3KO6Ws34&feature=related
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 10:22 PM
"Anyone could make Barack toe the line"
LOL
No Strong women like strong men.
Obama may be inexperienced but he is no weakling.
Unlike our current president Barack Obama has succeeded at every thing he has tried. No Gentleman's C for Obama.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | March 7, 2008 10:24 PM
"O yeah the candidate that will do anything to win...."
Thankyou,
That is a candidate I can vote for. Means he is not a John Kerry anyway.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | March 7, 2008 10:28 PM
Just saying - you put a strong woman with a strong man and the woman is going to win. imho
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 10:29 PM
Texas caucus is a three stage system like Washington. What is interesting is that while there were lots of difficulties, fraud was in short supply. What will be interesting is how the votes will come out in the State convention in June
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/national/stories/DN-conventions_06pol.ART0.State.Edition2.460528c.html
Posted by: jamie | March 7, 2008 10:33 PM
Was the Florida primary "open" ? If they hold another vote: how will anyone know if the republicans that voted are switching parties to vote in a do-over?
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 10:36 PM
Well said Jack and Florida too. Obama supporters will vote for McCain if Hillary wins the nomination? LOL Now Hillary voters might consider that an option, so I think Obama needs Hillary supporters more than Hillary needs Obama supporters.
Nice day in Wisconson...er..a... Wyoming. Me thinks Obama is a bit rattled. Here's the problem. The long primary has forced Obama to stay Left and attack Hillary's more centrist position as Republican lite far longer than expected. He has made her middle ground a personal flaw. So when he has to move center to battle McCain, he will get slammed. This is the tactical problem. He will start sounding like Hillary fighting McCain. alienating Hillary supporters and even his Left base. That give McCain an openning to look honest and real. The other problem is that the rest of Obama's advisors and associations will continue to pick up friction. Powers and Rice and Goodwhatever are symptomatic of his team's flaws. They make Obama picking up that 3am call the prefered option. Taxes? Pardon papers? First, this stinks of Republican barbs and Hillary has heard it all before. It is hard to equate the troubles Obama's having with the attacks coming at her from Obama. Apples and oranges.
Anyway, Jack is right. Do not underestimate McCain's appeal. He'll be the under dog. As far as Bill being thin skinned...LOL If Obama had 5% of the stuff shot at him that Bill has had for 16 years, he would would be a stroke victim.
On another note, what a coup for Columbia. Two major terrorists killed. A lot of documentation in European hands linking Chavez and Ecuador with FARC and an intense investigation going on concerning the possibility of dirty bombs. No wonder Chavez made nice today and had to shake Uribe's hand. Imagine a US President blasting Columbia, cutting off funding and then talking to the Leftists on how to spend more US aid. Just a thought.
Posted by: Maxtrue | March 7, 2008 10:37 PM
Jay Leno joked that when he saw Obama surrounded by all those Kennedys that he wasn't sure if he was running for President or if he was a bartender.
Posted by: Corey
| March 7, 2008 10:37 PM
The plan might be acceptable to Senator Nelson but it requires a change in state law to have mail ballots and local boards of elections are not interested in conducting another election, No resolution is at hand.
Headline writers often don't read the articles.
Posted by: Electoral College of Knowledge | March 7, 2008 10:40 PM
Great question March 7. Democrats have allowed their primaries to be influenced by outsiders. Then Dean thinks Superdelegates should follow their influence. Lardass suggests the remedy. Open vote for all Democrats like NY, but Obama won't like that. God forbid voters show photo IDs. Maybe Superdelegates should vote for the one with the most Democratic votes. What would be wrong with that?
Posted by: Maxtrue | March 7, 2008 10:41 PM
KGC
NC update-When you register to vote here you either declare a party or become unaffiliated. When you vote in a primary if you declared a party, you must vote on that party's ballot. Unaffiliated voters can choose which party's ballot they want to vote on. Looks like neither Hussein nor Wonder Woman will be benefitting from cross-over Republican voters unless they change to unaffiliated by the appropriate date. Don't think they would do that because Elizabeth Dole's seat is being challenged. There are also two Republican candidates for governor on their ballot.
Could someone tell me if Eizabeth Dole is still alive? We here in the eastern NC haven't seen her since she disappeared from our state 5 years ago. Someone told me they saw her on Meet the Press last year and she looked as old as her husband and they questioned her coherence. Has she been voting? Craig, is she ever present in the Senate chambers?
Wonder Woman might could get some votes here if she would dress like Elizabeth Dole otherwise she would have to campaign in the liberal white areas of the state if she can find any. As we all know 80% of the AA vote will be going to Hassein.
Enjoy reading ya'll's posts!
Posted by: Eider | March 7, 2008 10:45 PM
See on my ballot (paper) , the envelope had my information, I believe it is discarded and then the ballot is tallied. There was noting to connect my envelope with my vote. That would be a nightmare to keep track of....
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 10:45 PM
"But obstacles remain. McLaughlin notes what he calls "tiny" provisions in Florida law that prohibit a mail-in election to determine a nominee. Timing is also an unresolved question--precisely how long it would take to mail out ballots and allow a sufficient amount of time for them to be returned. Even then, election supervisors who are currently hip-deep in the process of changing over to optical-scanning machines for the general election may be resistant to processing an entirely new primary election by mail."
from the article.
They couldn't even change the law in march let alone
print and mail our the ballots.
Posted by: Electoral College of Knowledge | March 7, 2008 10:45 PM
what a mess
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 10:46 PM
Well maybe someday, one vote will count as one vote, and actually mean something.
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 10:48 PM
Must be "smarter than you" posing as Linda Carter
since she stood by her man when he was indicted for bank fraud.
Posted by: You're not | March 7, 2008 10:59 PM
Here's some info on Elizabeth Dole. I think her belly button may be where her mouth used to be.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/23/washington/23dole.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1204948827-JS/Ae6UDWk1D5aCvPNzX2w
Posted by: jamie | March 7, 2008 11:02 PM
PMO: Officials only got briefing from Obama campaign
The Canadian Press March 7, 2008 at 5:04 PM EST
"OTTAWA — Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton never gave Canada any secret assurances about the future of NAFTA such as those allegedly offered by Barack Obama's campaign, Prime Minister Stephen Harper's office said Friday.
With the NAFTA affair swirling over the U.S. election and Canadian officials skittish about saying anything else that might influence the race, it took the PMO two days to deliver the information.
"The answer is no, they did not," said Harper spokeswoman Sandra Buckler."
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080307.wnaftagate0307/BNStory/National/home
Posted by: GORDO | March 7, 2008 11:12 PM
Ya know, Gordo, this whole NAFTA thing isn't all that big a deal.. when "experts" talk about jobs disappearing from the US they're not talking about 'em heading across the northern border. They're talking about meh-heee-co mi amigo..
The reason this is such a big deal up here is: Stephen Harper is our Dubya.. only he doesn't make as many grammatical errors. And he isnt nearly as unintentionally funny. But he certainly acts and speaks like a republican, and when the NAFTA briefing came out, and that the PM lied through his teeth about who leaked what to whom, the sharks started to circle the PM. Those of us on the "left side of Canada" were cheering the sharks.
It's just fun when our Conservatives get into trouble. Righteous indignation is such a treat to witness when they're treading in doo-doo.
Posted by: tylenol
| March 7, 2008 11:21 PM
I blasted the Ap report on another blog a few days ago when it appeared. Great reporting again from AP. That wasn't a free pass for Obama? Think AP apologized for crap reporting based on rumors?
Good follow up Gordo. It is important tylenol because Obama supporters said see, Hillary is a monster for doing the very same thing. And Canda should be ashamed.
It is also important because it plays into the theory that Obama has played politics over policy during this primary while calling Hillary untrustworthy and secretive and Republican Lite...etc.
Iraq, NAFTA, Iran, Israel, are all spun to paner and that is a hard blow to the honest, straight talking, high road politician Obama makes himself out to be.
Posted by: Maxtrue | March 7, 2008 11:32 PM
Craig, excellent TM. You looked so LV in the video. The new fireplace?
We almost all have a key. Jamie doesn't have a key, though.
The one day of winter snow's gone. Sorry about what you folks are facing in the swath of geography between here and Rochester, NY. Been there (18") & done that. I think the crocuses should be peeking through the snow soon. Keep the faith.
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| March 7, 2008 11:34 PM
Jamie
Thanks for the link. Sure glad she "aint" hangin around this side of the state. I was frightened by those pictures! Think I saw her belly button on the bottom of her right flat !
Posted by: Eider | March 7, 2008 11:49 PM
Night everyone.. i'm sure everyone'll find something to fight about tomorrow...
Posted by: tylenol
| March 8, 2008 12:01 AM
Something you flaming liberals can appreciate
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xBWTV9Fon9c
Posted by: Disturbed | March 8, 2008 12:15 AM
Clinton and Canada:
http://pundits.thehill.com/2008/03/07/hillary-called-canada-owes-ohio-obama-and-america-an-apology/
Btw, I think Samantha Power made a stupid comment about Hillary. Power is not a politician and it is a shame she had to resign. Another political casualty.
Heck, imagine if each of us had to resign from this blog after making a dumb comment in the heat this hotly-contested the campaign - this would be a quiet blog...
(I think I would have been given my walking papers the first day I arrived!)
Anyways, I still think she is one of the smartest ladies around.
Posted by: warren | March 8, 2008 1:35 AM
I was talking to some Democrats last night, and we all laughed. We now understand what the Republicans didn't like about the Clintons. They have no scruples and are willing to pull down the party as long as it fits their means. And we never, ever thought we'd be on the side of Clinton bashers, but her campaign is so foul.
Posted by: alpha1906
| March 8, 2008 7:11 AM
I was talking to some Democrats last night, and we all laughed. We now understand what the Republicans didn't like about the Obama He have no scruples and is willing to pull down the party as long as it fits their means. And we never, ever thought we'd be on the side of Obama bashers, but his campaign is so foul.
The New Republic
Race Man
by Sean Wilentz
How Barack Obama played the race card and blamed Hillary Clinton.
Post Date Wednesday, February 27, 2008
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304
Posted by: should be as-ole 1906 | March 8, 2008 7:32 AM
alpha1906 -------------------
Well known "Hillary Hater" Fred Barnes admires her toughness. Too many Dems are wimps. A Dem President has to deal with vicious Repubs - Obama does not have what it takes. They would destroy him. ( Her campaign foul? Obama played the Race Card to peel off the Black vote from Hillary.)
Posted by: GORDO | March 8, 2008 7:52 AM
Civility Police: whoever you are, that is so not true. You just see it that way.
Do you see the Clinton supporters melting away?
Does that tell you anything?
Posted by: dog hussein dog | March 8, 2008 8:08 AM
It come from both sides , not just one side. I'm just being honest here. This place was more civil before the election came down to just Hillary and Obama. You know , back when everybody had a candidate they supported. Be it , Biden , Kucinich , Edwards , Richardson or even hope that Al Gore might run. But , when it came down to Hillary and Obama , things started getting nasty. That's when people began taking sides and the mood changed here.
Posted by: Corey
| March 8, 2008 8:09 AM
Where is sturgeone --Clinton supporter
Posted by: The Civility Police | March 8, 2008 8:09 AM
The main point is that a lot of people are taking this election way too seriously.
Posted by: Corey
| March 8, 2008 8:10 AM
You only see what you want and there are plenty of other Clinton supporters who no longer post. That is just one example.
Posted by: The Civility Police | March 8, 2008 8:11 AM
Civility Police: have you posted under other names previously? Why are you hiding behind this one?
Posted by: dog hussein dog | March 8, 2008 8:14 AM
Dog , don't you have a key , too?
Posted by: Corey
| March 8, 2008 8:15 AM
Corey: What's a key? The nickname?
PS: Good morning.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | March 8, 2008 8:16 AM
This blog permits anonymous comments
why do you feel a need to attack people instead of addressing what they are saying.
But that is what you do...if it isn't your little tea party of Obama supporters, the rules must be changed. You think you are the judge and jury but you are just another commenter with no special rights Jus ike everyone else.
Posted by: The Civility Police | March 8, 2008 8:18 AM
Next to your name. By the way , I don't ever wanna have fights here. I'm just more of a smartass. If it gets too real , funny comments have no effect.
Posted by: Corey
| March 8, 2008 8:18 AM
6 years ago , I dated someone on-line. We both belonged to the same group on Yahoo! But , she often had problems with a few of the other members of the group. A lot of the time , I couldn't understand why she was getting mad at some of the people. But , she always expected me to take her side whether she was right or wrong. The next thing I knew , I was fighting with others as well. I dropped out of the group , because I didn't want to this to happen. I re-joined a few years later. No problems since then.
Posted by: Corey
| March 8, 2008 8:25 AM
Civility Police,
If you were able to show the Obama Supporters how nasty we are here, I know for one, I'd appoligise.
But since, you only jab at us and don't give any substance, your point is moot.
We are not enemies here. You are acting like we are. Stop divding us and at least come out of the cold.
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 8:28 AM
Yeah, I hear you Corey, re the getting drawn into other people's battles.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | March 8, 2008 8:29 AM
Me Too Corey!
PS: Tone down the smart ass to funny smart ass. Lately your upset smart ass is showing. ;0) luv ya, stay our calm in the storm. That is exactly who your are.
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 8:32 AM
A few years ago at work , I worked in a department where a lot of people did not get along. When our shift was temporarily eliminated , most all of us went our separate ways. When this happened , we had a pot luck dinner. Before the potluck , our boss then asked each of us to write down one nice thing about each person on our line. At the potluck , we got these pieces of paper with nice comments from others about ourselves. Believe me , it wasn't easy , but everybody did it.
Posted by: Corey
| March 8, 2008 8:32 AM
What substance have you posted you spend all your time claiming your are assaulted by Clinton supporters.
Why don't you do as RR has suggested and turn your attention to John McCain.
Posted by: The Civility Police | March 8, 2008 8:33 AM
Corey Now THAT is brilliant.
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 8:34 AM
That's what I mean , Sheila. I gotta be honest with you , if it comes down to a man and a woman fighting , I'm more than likely to take the woman's side. But , that is because my Dad has always been somewhat mean to my Mom. Like they say , try a little tenderness! Oh and you will always be Chef Sheila to me and Dog will always be Dogs Eye View! Kinda like Cassius Clay and Lew Alcindor! LOL!
Posted by: Corey
| March 8, 2008 8:36 AM
"PS: Tone down the smart ass to funny smart ass. Lately your upset smart ass is showing. ;0) luv ya, stay our calm in the storm. That is exactly who your are
it's not your job to be the censor...of course censorship and voter suppression are the hallmarks of Obama supporters.
Posted by: The Civility Police | March 8, 2008 8:36 AM
Why don't you do as RR has suggested and turn your attention to John McCain.
Posted by: The Civility Police | March 8, 2008 8:33 AM
As a matter of fact I have. Too bad no one else can seem to put all their energy in that direction too.
Why don't YOU do the same and stop trying to whip up the anger here. I bet you have great research and diggin skiils. Try it!
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 8:38 AM
I see you are now discussing civility...
I suggest you go and look at your hosts link to the "family portrait", then look to find how many of those people are still posting.
Many people started posting here for the comaraderie and for a place to sit on the patio of a virtual cafe, kick back with a nice drink and then discuss the issue of the day. Once you partisan hacks joined, it hasn't been the same and the originals have all left.
The problem with identifying who has been the biggest a-hole is that everyone is guilty and refuses to accept blame because of the high an mighty attitude that exists here.
God help you if you try to point out Clinton hypocrisy or point out the fact that she has done a poor job managing her campaign. Don't even discuss the double standard her campaign operates on.
The Obama people here are equally thin skinned. At least they try to debate issues, but too often you act like political lambs waiting for a Clinton slaughter.
This place has attracted out and out nut jobs who live on obscure conspiracy theories and sex scandals. Now that the Globe Tabloid is running with the Sinclair story, it's only a matter of time before the Clintons pounce on that.
What is most disappointing is that while hope and change may seem like empty thought in this important campaign, we have candidates in both parties, plus Ralph Nader stomping on those ideas. Whether you agree with Obama or not, you have to admit it's a disappointing proposition to consider that Hope in this country is dead.
Posted by: UN Peacekeeper | March 8, 2008 8:39 AM
dhd
you seem bitter to me and controlling.
And is dog hussein dog your real name?
Posted by: The Civility Police | March 8, 2008 8:39 AM
You can call yourself whatever you want, and hide behind the nickname. That's courage.
I am going to think of you as the Incivility Police.
Who. Has. No. Evidence.
Just a knife out.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | March 8, 2008 8:41 AM
The hardest thing here is that it only seems to take one perceived negative comment to start the ball rolling for the entire day. Maybe one nice comment will do the same?
Posted by: Corey
| March 8, 2008 8:43 AM
Civility Police,
Unlike you, I have developed a great relationship with Corey. Long standing and he actually knows that was a hug. Because Corey is a wonderful human being and this blog has even gotten to him lately.
So you going to try and divide me from anymore of my friends?
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 8:44 AM
I'm with Corey.
The snow is lovely today.
Posted by: The Civility Police | March 8, 2008 8:46 AM
UN Peacekeeper,
You look like MAD Mustard. ;0) If you are, love you too my friend. If you are not, then you are in good company with that comment. I bow to your post!
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 8:47 AM
Last post. Some Al Green to set the tone for the rest of the day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tefsZNMGLso
Posted by: Corey
| March 8, 2008 8:49 AM
Corey, the snow is great here too. Even greater that its NOT snowing.
Imagine coming home for a rest and finding out that a snow storm is about to get you stuck somewhere... AHHHHHH......
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 8:52 AM
Would Cher hide behind an anonymous nickname on a blog she frequents? Now she is a brave person. Great job getting the word out about our troops needing better helmets to avert traumatic brain injury.
So would Cher be hiding?
Posted by: dog hussein dog | March 8, 2008 8:52 AM
It's rainy here, but some daffodils are up. Kind of looks Pacific Northwestern out the window (am in northern Virginia).
Corey: you are correct. A clever or kind posting goes a long way toward starting off a better thread.
And sturgeone: miss you!! Where are you? Was hoping to find you in the early morning hours (albeit it is a Saturday).
Posted by: dog hussein dog | March 8, 2008 8:56 AM
Dog.....No no,
I was wondering myself. Maybe Sturg is taking a need vacation too! I miss his gentle snark in the mornings though.
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 9:01 AM
Cher is a Hillary Clinton supporter
She called it a no brainer...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhASyoDgnrI
Posted by: The Civility Police | March 8, 2008 9:07 AM
Corey: thank you for the coffee with Al Green moment.
Corey put up a youtube of Rev. Green's "Keep on Pushing Love" (here again for convenience).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tefsZNMGLso
WWAGD? would work for me.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | March 8, 2008 9:10 AM
Mornin' all.
I just read through the top of the thread, and have a couple of ideas and suggestions to add to some of the other good observations about our group dynamic.
First, people who value this blog should be careful about making generalizations and alienating entire groups based on the behavior of just a few. Once we start lumping groups together as "all you Hillary supporters are jerks" or "all you Obama supporters are rude" or whatever, we've lost the battle for dialogue and civility.
Second, I think hiding behind multiple identities to launch attacks is just counter-productive, childish and destructive to this blog. I think once you create an identity here...you should stick with it, or something reasonably close to it (for example, we all know that "hot tubbin' Renee" is really good old "Rebellious Renee." Same goes for Chef Sheila.)
Honestly, there are really only a couple of people on either side that are consistently overbearing -- and any meanness expressed by others is typically in reaction (and often overreaction). Think about that before you point the finger at whole groups.
Sure, things here aren't quite as cozy and familiar as they were a couple years ago. But that's just a casualty of this election season. Maybe that familiarity and coziness will return one day. In the meantime, as a rule, I think this group generally behaves as adults who respect one another. For perspective, try visiting some of the other political blogs that don't even make the pretense of being a community.
I'm sticking with this blog and my commentor pals here, because I like you guys and I get a hell of a lot of good info out of this place. Just the links alone are worth the visit.
Maybe it's more like a noisy pub right now than it is an intimate drawing room. But it's still a helluva a lot of fun, as far as I'm concerned.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 8, 2008 9:11 AM
Great post LL,
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 9:14 AM
Wise words, Lardass.
Also good counsel from UN peacekeeper at 8:39 a.
And I hope that UN peacekeeper turns out to be Mad Mustard. Mustard is missed. Among other good cyberfriends.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | March 8, 2008 9:19 AM
Dog...I agree about Mad Mustard. If any of the old-timers are out there lurking, I hope they think about it and re-enter the fray with their familiar monikers flying high. BlueInDallas pops in every once in awhile, as do 9/11, Julia and some others.
Those names amount to currency and credibility on this blog.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 8, 2008 9:26 AM
I whole heartedly wish they would come around more. They are like a balm to an old wound.
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 9:29 AM
The positive aspect of all of this is that we are having a discussion. It's perhaps a discussion that has been long overdue. I still stand by Jamie's shunning suggestion because people who are hell-bent on name-calling and hateful statements just don't deserve our time. We are all human and there isn't that much time on this Earthwalk, so we might as well focus on the positives. Can't we disagree with each other without the hateful comments? That would go a long way towards healing in here.
Just my humble opinion
And I think Corey should be First Citizen of this blog!
Posted by: EuroTom
| March 8, 2008 9:34 AM
gee some of you are up very early or never go to sleep. haha
Boy do we have snow and it keeps coming. We will probably get 14 inches here in Wooster, Ohio.
I am snowed in. I might take the dogs out to play.
What does everyone think of Clinton for Pres and Obama for VP. Then after 4 years she leaves and he runs? Sounds good to me. They will have to do something or this is going to get more ugly.
Go Hillary!!!
Posted by: Carol
| March 8, 2008 9:45 AM
Well said Sheila. Maybe we ought to just start a "generalization jar" for the blog, and put it on the shelf right next to the "cussing jar."
Anytime anyone uses the phrase: "all the HRC supporters on this blog" or "all the Obama supporters on this blog", followed by a generalized characterization of negative behavior...it's five bucks in the jar.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 8, 2008 9:47 AM
And Patsi,
I have always spoken as a friend.
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 9:48 AM
NOW.....I think we all need a group hug!! lol
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 9:48 AM
wonder why my posting is not coming through?
Posted by: Carol
| March 8, 2008 9:49 AM
This is turning into a Hallmark Hall of Fame special. My eyes are tearing up now. :)
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 8, 2008 9:50 AM
Lard,
Should be $100. Don't cheapen the hurt.
AND....should I say that the cussing jar is quite empty and EUROTOM has been oweing quite a bit? hint hint?
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 9:51 AM
Lauging @ the whole thing! SWAK! That oughtta make ya feel betta!
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 9:52 AM
Ok I will reel in my bad language. My apologies.
Posted by: EuroTom
| March 8, 2008 9:54 AM
Just read the thread, looks like it was therapy session....As an outsider looking in I think everyone is really pretty nice and many are very knowledgeable.
Passion is a good thing, hurt feeling are bad, however you ( and only you) are responsible for making the decision to take something personally or not.
Be happy, give everyone a break, and laugh more often.
http://www.amazon.com/Four-Agreements-Practical-Personal-abridged/dp/1878424432/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1204988231&sr=8-1
Posted by: march8 | March 8, 2008 9:57 AM
Did Corey leave? You know what is strange? We all like him and I am not sure if we even know who he supports. I know I don't and it doesn't matter. His is an old spirit.. wise and experienced.
Posted by: EuroTom
| March 8, 2008 9:57 AM
"Jamie doesn't have a key, though"
I can't seem to get a key. Type Key won't register me or if they did, won't send the password they assigned. Poor Craig has had to bail be out everytime the blog moved. That's why I always post using the "anonymous" method with a checkmark to remember my name.
Just for the record, I have never ever posted with any name that did not include Jamie. There was one spate of including "Rodham" to go with all the "Husseins", but always with the Jamie. I don't like people we know changing their names to fool others.
Posted by: jamie | March 8, 2008 10:00 AM
...putting on headphones, climbing onto riser and into position between Kenny Rogers and Cyndi Lauper...and starting to sing...
"We are the blog
We are the commentors
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So let's stop flaming
There's a choice we're making
We're saving our own blog
It's true we'll make a better thread
Just you and me"
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 8, 2008 10:01 AM
Our Corey is like the wind. He flutters in and out. he's probably on his other favorite blog or maybe he is getting ready for work, but he is not about to leave.
And like I said EuroTom, As group we are Obama Supporters. I'm not sure I made myself clear, but those of each side that are more out their than to the rest should not get the shaft because you all are getting your shackles up at another in specifics.
We are not responsible as you are not.
The longer you are here, the more you will understand that Craig Crawford lets free speech in, in all forms. Only interceeds when its is out of this world hateful.
So I will suggest again that everyone really read carefully and really listen. All of us.
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 10:04 AM
Hi March 8 !!
I remember that book !! I can't remember who recommended it to me, but I know I had it and read it. I don't know if it is still in my book collection... wait a minute ... nope can't find it, but I do remember it!
Posted by: EuroTom
| March 8, 2008 10:05 AM
Lard,
Singing on "key" I hope? Ar Ar~!
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 10:05 AM
Is it time for a group hug and sharing some beer? Just not Coors please; they are anti-union... Or how about a softdrink? Coca Cola? Pepsi? I don't know if it is true but I read that Coca Cola is the drink of Democrats and Pepsi of Republicans... heheheheh
Let's move ever upward and forward...
And as a tip of my hat to my Obama supporter friends...
YES WE CAN!
Tom
Posted by: EuroTom
| March 8, 2008 10:12 AM
re: Bombing at Times Square : if they have had three similar attacks at the same time of day, wouldn't it follow that , just maybe, we need some defenses, or officers protecting the various locations at that time???
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/nyregion/07bicycle.html?em&ex=1205125200&en=f14cd9e8118e83f0&ei=5087%0A
Posted by: march8 | March 8, 2008 10:12 AM
Hey ET,
It's a great little book, I try to keep those agreements sometimes it is difficult. : )
Posted by: march8 | March 8, 2008 10:14 AM
Carol,
All the scaries about Detroit Region being snowed in has not happened. I'm glad. Gives me the freedom to get out. Since this is just a weekend at home.
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 10:19 AM
"Jamie doesn't have a key, though"
I can't get a key for some reason. Typekey won't send me whatever password they think I used. Craig has bailed me out several times with the blog moves. I use the anonymous with the remember me checkmark and I ALWAYS included "Jamie" in my name even with the momentary silliness of including "Rodham" when everyone was sporting "Hussein".
I don't like the fake names (other than the recognized old friends). If you can't say something over your own name or established moniker of choice, you should probably be ignored.
Posted by: jamie | March 8, 2008 10:20 AM
Easy Party Dip
Ingredients:
12 oz. softened cream cheese
2 T. Worcestershire sauce
1 t. lemon juice
2 T. mayo
1 small onion, diced fine
dash garlic salt
Directions:
Mix ingredients together and spread to the
edge of a large, flat, round dish
Next, finely chop cooked shrimp or crab
Mix shrimp/crab with 6 oz. chili sauce
and spread this over cream cheese mixture.
Top lightly with chopped parsley and serve
with heavy chips or crackers.
Looks like a pizza...
Posted by: Patsi | March 8, 2008 10:24 AM
Jamie,
Yesterday morning I claimed the same thing. I think you have something. Ever since the first time we had typekey, I haven't been able to do anything about my profile or update to even pick out a new one. So I just go annonymous.
But we are not! So there. ;0)
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 10:24 AM
Eider
Thanks for checking the NC primary rules. It looks like the opportunity for mischief is limited.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | March 8, 2008 10:25 AM
Serbia's prime minister dissolves government
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23534455/
Posted by: march8 | March 8, 2008 10:25 AM
I'm sure our military are just overjoyed to know they may be heading for Kosovo again. Let's see, Spring is coming on so it is almost time to depart Iraq and head to Europe for the summer. Much better weather to die in.
Posted by: jamie | March 8, 2008 10:31 AM
Jamie,
I believe our Friends, the Brits, are more capable of handling anything right now....let them take care of their European Theater.
We are in trouble and everyone knows it. ;0)
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 10:35 AM
Just popping in for the group hug.
Sheila - I think you will have to get a permit from the county if you want to make any more additions to your name.
LL- Always glad to see you pop in to post, too.
Posted by: blueINdallas | March 8, 2008 10:37 AM
Girl, You ain't been around me.
I've been using that moniker for at least a month. ;0)
I'm very proud of it and will probably keep it for the rest of my life!
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 10:42 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/03/08/ST2008030800051.html
Posted by: blueINdallas | March 8, 2008 10:44 AM
"We are in trouble and everyone knows it."
If the dollar gets any lower against the Pound and Euro, we may have to ask Britain to take us back.
Posted by: jamie | March 8, 2008 10:44 AM
One thing for certain, we cannot risk a McCain because I believe one of the first things he will do, if even any slight chance, is get us into trouble with Iran. We do not need another war. Even military folks are now coming out saying he is too hot headed. That was especially true after he exploded yesterday with the NY reporter.
Posted by: Karolenna | March 8, 2008 10:47 AM
Well,
Unfortunately we all need to brace ourselves. Its not going to mend in the next few years. Its going to take us a generation at least to get out country out of this trouble.
In the meantime, we have to defend ourselves against take over. More poignant now that China and Dubai own a whole of of us now.
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 10:49 AM
McC may be hot headed, but I have to say, I think reporters many times push in a disrespectful manner. We see it all the time on TV and I think we get used to it. But in reality it is uncivilized and down right rude.
Posted by: march8 | March 8, 2008 10:51 AM
Karolenna,
That is why I think that no matter who is the NOM, we will win. I don't think after if all washes that the American people will vote for McCain.
The Wolf has been called out too many times.
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 10:52 AM
Sheila, how long has it been since you were a bug on the wall in the WH? Was it mostly when there was a Naval or DoD presence involved?
Posted by: Flatus
| March 8, 2008 10:54 AM
The Wolf has been called out too many times.
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 10:52 AM
Sorry, not talking about Mccain there. Talking about the Fear Mongering from the right.
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 10:55 AM
FLATUS,
I was a member of the Historical Documentation Unit run by the navy. I had unbelievablt access and was also put in a position of being the archivist for all video tapes. For the first two Adminstrations. A lot of designing a digital liberary program. just pointing out how recent visual media is in the presidential libraries.
My witness was for some of Reagan, Bush, and then a little Clinton. After that i was with ABC news in Washington after I retired.
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 10:59 AM
UR O TOM.... ;0) like that.
I would just like to remind you and everyone that the only reason my friend Horsedooty Hussien got after you was because of Your statements that as a life long dem You would vote for nader or mccain rather than obama.
Horse was really upset that a self Proclamed dem would cross over like that instead of bellying up to the bar and gutting it out......which is exactly what ALL of the Obama people will do, Indie, Republican, or not.
That is the only reason Doots would get after anyone on this blog, so feel respected. He's gotten after me too. ;0)
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 11:13 AM
Warren! So good to see that you didn't leave afterall. ;0)
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 11:15 AM
I am been gone for awhile and wanted to comment on how Clinton "reset" the race by winning victories in states everyone thought she would win.
Let's not forget she did not win OH and TX by the margins the Clinton campaign originally claimed she would.
Obama will continue to keep it close in states that favor Clinton - and he will continue to rack up large victories in states that favor him. At the end of the day, he will have won more votes, states and delegates - and will have survived the "kitchen sink" strategy.
Posted by: warren | March 8, 2008 11:24 AM
No way Sheila - just was gone for a few of days cause of work.
Posted by: warren | March 8, 2008 11:26 AM
So here is something interesting.
This poll is saying that Michigan is actually split evenly for likely voters. I happen to think that is pretty realistic.
I've always thought Florida is only an issue with the Meida, not the voters. However, as a voter of this state. IIt was terribly screwed up by those in charge of Michigan's voting process. I mean I even voted in the wrong category because I didn't have all the information. its not a matter or who's on first. its in all fairness the fault of the Democratic State Party.
It should be revoted.
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 11:29 AM
Went out to shovel the highest steps leading into the house hoping to find my paper. It's a lost cause so I'm online reading it. My golden/chow went out and was buried in the back yard. I don't know if she knows if she went to the bathroom or not. She usually likes to play in the snow but I think this has scared her. She wouldn't stay out.
Carol in Wooster, if you don't have it now it's coming your way. Talked with my daughter in SW where they went for a funeral. They even had to cancel the funeral until tomorrow, so poor little Cheyenne the husky will have to stay in the kennel all weekend.
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/03/08/snostorm.ART_ART_03-08-08_A1_RS9J38I.html?sid=101
Posted by: Karolenna | March 8, 2008 11:37 AM
Oops! Sorry,
Here is the Poll Clinton/Obama 41% to 41%
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 11:40 AM
"My witness was for some of Reagan, Bush, and then a little Clinton. After that i was with ABC news in Washington after I retired."
Sheila, sounds neat.
I had absolutely no desire for a DC assignment. Had to go TDY/TAD their a couple of times and thought it really sucked. Why anyone would want to work in the pentagon is beyond me.
Being at Leavenworth while Powell was there was as close to the flagpole as I wanted to be.
Bravo Zulu, Sailor!
Posted by: Flatus
| March 8, 2008 11:40 AM
Spotlight reveals Obama camp missteps
By: Ben Smith
Mar 7, 2008 06:35 PM EST
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/8912.html
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | March 8, 2008 11:45 AM
Great post Wendy!
Group Hug! ;0)
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 11:48 AM
"It should be revoted."
I disagree most emphatically--unless we start revoting all the ones that turned out well for the other candidates. Looking at the FL newspapers before and after the election, it was probably as well done as any other FL election.
Why not get an opinion from Pres Carter and/or Craig?
Posted by: Flatus
| March 8, 2008 11:49 AM
Agony of the Arithmecrats
Mr. Dooley was wrong. Politics is beanbag.
By Timothy Noah
Posted Thursday, March 6, 2008, at 8:01 PM ET
http://www.slate.com/id/2185922
Try to skip the conventionl thinking you got from the pundits that are wrong week after week.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | March 8, 2008 11:50 AM
Flatus,
Again, I was talking about michigan. I think Flordia by rights should be seated and counted as is.
I am a Michigan Voter and I'm tellin you, the party screwed the pooch for all of us.
Was a dire miscalcuation on their part.
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 11:52 AM
What a fool this guy is.
http://www.star-telegram.com/464/story/518157.html
What he does not get is that Bush - not Obama - is the best recruiting tool for Al Queda.
So many elected officials do not understand terrorism. Many extremists use terror to get their enemies to over-react - and many in the GOP and willing to react in a way that serves the goals of these extremists. Over-reaction alienates the US from its allies and provides propoganda material for its enemies.
The real way to deal with terrorism is not by taking over host countries - it is through targeted and surgical responses to eliminate terrorists as well as using economic and social reform to prevent the creation of more extremists.
Posted by: warren | March 8, 2008 11:53 AM
No Jack,
I'd never ignore you. You might say Pataato and I say Potauto, but most of the time I agree.
I just see too much anger in peoples thoughts here. I have found that if you are upset by a comment, disecting the comment to show what upset you is more educational and most of the time gives great fuel to help the attacker to understand and re-educate.
What ia see here usually, is someone elses words to attack another. Huge problem here.
Thanks for your post. it was elequent.
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 8, 2008 11:59 AM
If the dollar gets any lower against the Pound and Euro, we may have to ask Britain to take us back.
Posted by: jamie | March 8, 2008 10:44 AM
Jamie, it's selfish and all that but I love that the dollar is weak. Makes my travels to the states affordable !!!
Posted by: EuroTom
| March 8, 2008 12:01 PM
NEW THREAD
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| March 8, 2008 12:01 PM
The Obama press call was kind of funny yesterday. They were really dodging questions...but this time not getting away with it.
One reporter asked a question about Goolsbee and something about Power I believe. The Obama person didn't answer either question but instead gave a list of questions they should ask the Clinton campaign. I mean...that's strategy...I know.
I kept thinking...if I was the guy asking the questions, I would interrupt him and say...when I get on the Clinton campaign call, I'll ask questions about Clinton but right now I'm on the Obama call and I'd like to know about Obama.
The best part is that after the Obama guy was done not answering the reporters questions...the Politico guy comes on and says...I'd like for you to answer the guys questions because you didn't answer them and instead just asked questions about Clinton. Then he said something to the effect..is not answering these questions and diverting attention to Clinton party of your government transparency policy?
The end part made me laugh.
Looks like no more free pass for Obama campaign.
For clarification...I'm paraphrasing not quoting - but that's the gist of it.
Posted by: Wendy!
| March 8, 2008 12:04 PM
From Warrens link
"An Iowa Republican congressman said Friday that terrorists would be "dancing in the streets" if Democratic candidate Barack Obama were to win the presidency."
Agree with you Warren
But this seems to be the Republican talking points, I've seen it from several Repubs, almost the same wording like they are reading from a paper.
Obama does need to address this sooner rather than later.
He does have some strong foreign policy statements out there but has been keeping them quiet for political reasons.
Pointing those positions out will be a bit of a political risk for him with the passivist left but they are in his column and won't support HRC
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | March 8, 2008 12:06 PM
I hope you guys are serious about what you've posted this morning! However, I'll believe in your intent to be civil with one another when I see it. I've only been here since last April...arrived during the Imus debacle...but could easily see the strength of some of the friendships among list members. I'll be surprised if some of those friendships can be repaired after the foul things that have passed between some people here. If I were the target of some of it, I can guarantee you that I might TRY to forgive, but I sure as hell wouldn't forget what the other guy was capable of throwing at me when we disagreed.
Words, once spoken, cannot be unspoken.
Posted by: harborwoman | March 8, 2008 12:07 PM
I've been in one kind of group or another since the middle 80s--back when people used 300-baud modems and BBSs were the way people got together.
Moved on to the Usenet newsgroups. This is the first group I've blogged in. It's closer to to the pleasant BBS groups than the newsgroups.
The groups I've seen that've gone belly-up were the ones that had such a strong troll presence that people started self-censoring, or not posting at all. I kind of sense, from y'alls comments that that may be happening here.
If so, my opinion, as an outsider, is it's really important that people refrain from using their superior intelligence as a tool, or weapon, to put someone else down. It just sucks the life out of a group.
Peace.
Posted by: Flatus
| March 8, 2008 12:07 PM
Jack I like your post too and I own up to my reactions. :-) I could go on about why, but that would just be reacting! I think we ALL can be friends... I really do! And if we can't... well we can't, but we can avoid the negativity and move forward.
I am not feeling well, so I am going back to sleep for a while... new diet...
Cheers
Tom
Posted by: EuroTom
| March 8, 2008 12:11 PM
Somethings to consider. Our military was designed to fight at least one and 1/2 MAJOR wars at one time. We have spent a whole lot of money to prepare for major problems on each side of the world. Now we have how many soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan combined? That is the extent of US capibility? I think not. The major difficulty is that we are involved in peacekeeping and rebuilding which formerly was the task of the UN and NATO. Europe actually has more troops than the US but contributes far less. Russia and China contribute little except fuel the Sudan, arm Iran while enjoying the trade protected by Western security.
To say that Iran should be ignored because we are falling apart militarily is absurd. Is it better to ignore what Kerry and Barak, Clinton and Biden said in 2004 -that Iran cannot have nukes, and wait until the crap hits the fan? Was that an isoloationist mindset? Quds is in Caracas, arming Hizb';Allah, helping insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan and we should go home? Every time we have isolated ourselves we have paid a dear price. Obama can't even sanction Quds because he protrays Bush as the bigger boogeyman. The is completely ass-backwards.
The Middle East, terrorism, new hegemonies from Russia to China require both a big stick from the US and Europe. JFK and Reagan backed their hope and change on such determination. AP celebrates the hand shake between Columbia and Chavez, but should we forget Hugo gave $300,000,000 to FARC and that FARC seeks enriched uranium for dirty bombs? Two major FARC leaders are dead and how would have Obama's Andes policy have done that? Would he have defended Columbia against the tide of Leftists despots who now embrace cocaine and Quds? To think we are so broken, our economy so crushed that we cannot send strong signals to Hugo, Ahmadinejad, Assad, Putin, Hamas and AQ we are quite capable to act to defend liberty and our own eventual security is the height of folly.
That is the real divide between Obama and Clinton on security. As Israelis bury their dead, as Muslim Clerics call for the advance of Sharia Law into Europe and defend fatwa of brutality, aas women are opressed and Blacks bombed in Darfur, as Putin targets Ukraine plaese don't deny that a real JFK/RFK would rally this nation not to be weak or turn our knives on Republicans, but rather face our real foes with the principles by which we have endured.
There would be nothing left of Iranian military conventional capabilities in 72 hours should they continue to act with impunity and flout international law. Afghanistan would be a burial place for the Taliban should we actually unleash our fire power and watch innocents die as well. It is not about the extent of our force which is far greater than the anti-war fundies think. It is about the resolve and confidence to meet the enemy squarely and face them down. Without such an attitude there will be no Islamic reformation, no realpolitiks from China and Putin, no negotiations with fundies. And soon technology will allow those dispicable miscreants who assail us every day to send unsigned weapons to our shores. Then who will we retaliate against, Bush?
Obama conjures up Ronald, but doesn't mention the spirit behind his call to the people. Obama mentions JFK but doesn't touch the sacrifice he spoke of or the liberty we must defend. Barak wants to talk as he pulls back, answer the 3am call without the resolve required to lead. Now that is my opinion, but the global facts are what they are. We have a strong military that hasn't faced a real enemy yet. We are pressured by nation building and allies not willing to join us in numbers. The task is to increase the unity and effort and the US is more than capable of showing the required stick to prevent Lebanon from falling, Hugo from meddling, Ahmadinejad from making a bomb and adversries from thinking we are in decline and weak. This is vital come Novemeber and Obama has steered Left for so long now, he will lose the tactic of moving center against McCain. Malley, Zbig, Rice, Powers do not plot a strong course and Obama continues to make GWB America's greatest danger, rather than the actual ones alive and plotting in the real world. THis is why far more military and centrists support Hillary and why McCain has a far better chance to beat Obama than Clinton. I will love to see Obama tell McCain he has no standing to question Barak's policies in Iraq.
Posted by: Maxtrue | March 8, 2008 12:17 PM
Who is the Left going to vote for if Hillary runs? McCain? Good for them, but unlikely.The greater danger is that Hillary centrists will find McCain better than Obama. A political fact Obama cannot refute.
Posted by: Maxtrue | March 8, 2008 12:25 PM
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aTDP3xoDppsQ&refer=home
About protectionism
Posted by: Maxtrue | March 8, 2008 12:30 PM
Max, it's been years since we had a military that could simultaneously fight 1-1/2 major wars. At best, now, we could fight one war of the scale of Iraq and mount a limited holding action in a single other area of the world until our allies saw fit to help us out.
IMO, we haven't had a strong military since the middle to late 80s.
Despite the back slapping and amazing technical competence of elements of our armed forces, our actual capability, indexed for the threat environment, is perhaps 20-pct of what it was through much of the Cold War era. And, that's something that's not gone unnoticed by Russia and China.
IMO, we are little more than an empty shell.
Posted by: Flatus
| March 8, 2008 12:35 PM
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