Doing the "hard work behind the scenes" is pretty much the role to which many Democratic women are typically relegated. This would not sit well with me or my friends who've toiled in the DEM vineyards, decade after decade, always backing the male leaders who step into the spotlight and claim the credit for the fruits of our labor. VP is the ultimate glass ceiling. Will the wimmin folks riot? Probably not. We'll just quit -- then who will organize all those precincts and staf all those phone banks?
Time for work and travel to the snowy regions of Michigan for the weekend. See you guys tonight and all day Saturday being snowed in maybe.
I think Senator Clinton would be better served as Vice President, rather than senator, if she can't overcome the obvious. The Delegate count. If she can, than Vice versa. I think Obama would be better served that way too.
Both are changing the face of Politics. Both should keep going on one ticket for the American People.
Sheila, I see putting Mrs Clinton in as VP as letting all the women who have made men successful, that she's only good enough to serve coffee in the White House.
As i am running out the door. There is the difference. I had quite a hard time paving the way for women too. I do want to see a woman in. But not just any woman and I see too many red flag warnings for this woman at this time.
I think her dynasty needs checking before she enters the White House again. I've been reading up on her and her husbands dealings with Middle east and Far east Large contributers in the last 10 years. Its public and this questionable.
I didn't like Bush being in the pockets of middle east oil and I don't like the Clintons being in the pockets of Dubai....
been checking and if Rezko is the only slip of Obama compared to what is on the Clinton dockets.
Obama's Senior Foreign Policy Adviser Calls Clinton a 'Monster'
"In the second time in two days, a senior foreign policy adviser, steps in it. Yesterday it was Susan Rice who said Obama wasn't ready to answer a 3:00 phone call, asserting that Clinton wasn't either. Now, according to The Scotsman, Samantha Power has taken it one step further calling Clinton a "monster."
Ms Power told The Scotsman Mrs Clinton was stopping at nothing to try to seize the lead from Mr Obama.
"We f***** up in Ohio," she admitted. "In Ohio, they are obsessed and Hillary is going to town on it, because she knows Ohio's the only place they can win.
"She is a monster, too – that is off the record – she is stooping to anything," Ms Power said, hastily trying to withdraw her remark.
This is not the first time Obama's team has screwed up on international relations in the last week or so; adding Rice and Goolsbee, it's a hat-trick. It's getting to be a habit with them."
"In December, Obama said he had "been very clear to my campaign. I do not want to see research that is involved in trying to tear people down personally. If I find out that somebody is doing that, they will be fired. And I have been absolutely crystal clear about this, and I have been clear about this for a very long time."
Would this count? Should Power be fired by the Obama standard?"
Christopher Althouse Cohen, emails about his own experience caucusing in Austin, Texas:
An unusual thing happened to me on the way to my polling location. I was walking to the school, and there was a group of Obama supporters holding up signs on the front of the school yard. I walked from the side of the yard to the front entrance, but I was wearing a large Hillary button, and one of the Obama supporters ran across the school yard so he could catch me well before I got to the door. He asked if I was here to vote and I, not stopping to talk to him, continued walking but said I already voted and I was going to caucus. It was 6:40 or so and both campaigns advised their supporters in all their mailings to show up early (at 6:30 or 6:45) to avoid potentially being shut out when the doors closed at 7:15. The Obama supporter said, "Oh, well the caucus is at 7:15," implying that I should leave and come back then. If I had done that and tried to show up at 7:15, I would likely have been shut out, because the doors closed then.
I just talked to a Hillary supporter online who said that he was standing in line at 7:15 and that the line was long enough so that he was standing outside, even though they had showed up early. The Obama precinct captain on the inside was demanding that everyone still standing outside, including him, be shut out, and everyone outside started arguing with the Obama supporters on the inside. Eventually, they were let in. He told me that a friend of his was in tears over the phone, because at her location Obama supporters were literally pushing Clinton supporters away from the sign-in sheets that were later used for the official vote tallies.
This news story says that there was a complaint of Obama precinct captains filling in "Obama" after every signature that left the presidential preference spot blank.
The sign-in sheets were confusing. I was unofficially in charge of the sign-in list, though there was an Obama precinct captain standing over me, talking to every single voter at the time, and I can say that a large portion of the people signing in found it hard to read and weren't sure if this was when they actually declared their support for a candidate, so I can see why some people might leave it blank. I'll attach a copy of what the sign-in sheet looked like.
This was posted on a blog listed on huffpo.
No intended slam to BHO - just lightening it up.
How many Obama supporters does it take to change a lightbulb? None, by the time Obama becomes prez, lightbulbs will light themselves..
Y'all have a good day..
Q: How many Republicans does it take to screw in a light bulb?
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A: Two: one to deny that it's gone out, and one to say that it's the Clinton administrations fault.
There is now a petition for the resignation of Howard Dean regarding MI and Fl..
Fl will probably get seated without a redo, but Mi is up in air. Hillary is calling for let stand.. Obama name was on the ticket and he took it off, so - shucks - his problem.. The primary was all done fair and square. I agree it should stand as is...
Lou Dobbs has now renamed Naftagate as Obamagate..
I am not in agreement with Craig about HRC taking the VP spot or her being the Cheney of the Obama administration. That kind of analysis just feeds all the myths about her and women.
It is our time and we have the most qualified person. As someone else posted look at "the above the fray bunch" and their personal, demeaning remarks re HRC. They didn't win. They know she stopped them and with the new litter of pups we are going all the way.
He's got a lot of good advice for Dems in this column. I hope we'll listen.
From Tapper's article:
"Statement from Samantha Power: These comments do not reflect my feelings about Sen. Clinton, whose leadership and public service I have long admired. I should not have made these comments and I deeply regret them. It is wrong for anyone to pursue this campaign in such negative and personal terms. I apologize to Sen. Clinton and to Sen. Obama, who has made very clear that these kinds of expressions should have no place in American politics."
Sounds like Goolsbee, only apologetic - at least Power acknowledges that she said what she said during her descent into honesty rather than deny it like Goolsbee. I guess she's never heard the old adage that you can't unring a bell.
Howard Dean knew when he drew line in sand that the decision was not being made by Dems, but by repugs. HRC kept her name on ballot in MI and FL, BO took his name off, oops bad decision. Oh, he also had campaign ads non-stop in FL oops bad decision.
Let the delegates at least in FL stand. 1.7 million voters how can they deny that.
Craig - video trailmix this morning is really great.
I agree with the elaine and diva...only Obama supporters refuse to see the big picture (probably mostly out of hatred than anything else)
16 year plan is in play. Hillary takes it...Obama has a chance to mature, gets some foreign policy experience, first hand executive branch experience. You take that...and the other qualities that have been working for him (but are starting to not be enough), he's unbeatable in 2016 and the Dems can maintain the WH for 16 years.
I have my doubts the Dem superDs will be able to think in this broad of terms. The men of the party in particular. They had hoped Nanci Pelosi becoming speaker would keep the girls at bay and they could maintain the leadership of the party overall. Now they are poopin' their pants that Hillary has done this well and a woman could be the leader of the party. So it will be impossible for them to see how they could form a ticket that would maintain the WH for the Party overall for 16 years.
My hope is that there are enough enlightened male superDs to negotiate this - but given the "star" male names beating the drum for Obama...it's going to be difficult.
In the end...the Dem's will have John Kerry to blame - AGAIN - for their demise in November.
More good news for Hillary - everyone will get to vote in Puerto Rico.
"[Puerto Rico will] change the voting process from 8 caucuses to a primary with voting places in all 1,800+ barrios in Puerto Rico's 78 municipalities. This is done in light of the hundreds of thousands of Democrats expected to turn out on June 1, a late date in which we would have originally expected a pro-forma vote with low turnout. [...]
The change was approved unanimously by all members present, including many Clinton supporters (such as State Chair Prats and myself) and many Obama supporters.
The rationale? There's no way we could handle more than a few tens of thousands of voters in eight district caucuses, while we can handle a million voters (at least 500 voters between 8am and 3 pm per polling place in each of 1,800+ barrios) in a primary."
The Obama campaign digging up the misstatement by Hillary from October and turning it into ads, etc. is going to be pretty affective against her in Mississippi.
She should go down there and campaign for a couple of days and give it the "ole college try" but she shouldn't expect too much out of there.
I think they should throw a lot of effort into Wyoming and see if they can pull of some kind of upset Saturday and at least split the news cycle with O'.
Funny how Bosnia is the one big exception to the Powers rule which she knows Hillary pushed and she down plays it in her book blasting Bill over Rowanda. She ignores the Republican opposition and the unfair claims the military made on Clinton regarding Somalia which they later retractied following thier in-house examination. She makes the case for Hillary yet uses the same term she uses for those responsible for genocide. Such balance is sorely needed in the Obama camp. This is the person that pushes human rights trumps national security. Noah POllack does a good job, though who can argue that genocide ought to be stopped.
Funny you don't hear Powers blast Carter for not calling Darfur genocide. Hillary, not Obama, has called for real action in Darfur. McCain will sanction China over the Sudan. And I would love to ask Powers who is most abused in the world. Women, so perhaps her monster remark is even uglier than she thinks. Obama should toss her, but having head-hunted to find her, he won't. If Hillary said such things, she would be branded a racist. Another sporting the JFK label.
Malley, Powers, Zbig and Rice. And look who Powers says runs the Middle East job.
The article pogo posted is a good read...especially for those who want to look at the perceived "black and whiteness" (no pun intended) of the "so called" hard pledged delegate numbers.
There is a lot of gray in between that the Democratic superDs better take into consideration when forming their ticket for November or they'll lose the election and be stuck with at minimum 4 more years of Republicans.
I think all Obama supporters should use Hussein and if he becomes the candidate...all Democrats should adopt as their signature. It highlights the silliness of the right,
The video trail mix is great .
Off topic but pretty funny, I recently ran across this food blog due to a referene to bacon vodka...today's is even better. http://www.browniepointsblog.com/
"gets some foreign policy experience, first hand executive branch experience. "
Also to be considered, as VP he would be President of the Senate. That is the perfect spot to be watching the sausage being made on legislation and the herding of nominees to confirmation. Four or eight years of that combined with his street level and state level experience and you have a virtually unbeatable resume.
I agree with AP on this one. The FL delegates should be seated as is...Obama's name was on the ballot and he did have ads running - someone in FL yesterday they heard his voice and saw his face quite often.
MI is a different story - they should be seated but I also think they should be a do-over. I think just splitting it 50-50 will still disenfranchise voters (since Hillary won 55% or something like that). Giving them the way they are isn't fair to O' since he took his name off the ballot, not seating them hurts the Dems in Nove. A new primary in MI would resolve the issue...
I know they say in FL it would cost 25mil...has anyone seen estimates for MI?
Hi Sheila...for whenever you get back online: I just read your final response in the "screen name debate" from late last night, and understand what you're saying. So fair enough. :)
Obama broke the rules in Fla,Clinton did not
He was in Fla for a fundraiser in Sept when he "hinted" he would seat the delegation. He was there the day after the ban went into effect. And he held a press conference. And when challenged on it got huffy.
AP, I know you don't think this means anything, but this is what triggers the continuity directive in NSPD51.
"Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions; "
The "extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage or disruption" is a threshold - but who knows how that's determined? A couple hours poring over the directive might help, but not from what I saw skimming it.
Wendy! (Or should I say Hill?) Hillary doesn't stand much chance in MS - it is a very poor, conservative, backward state in much of the state, (not unlike my own home state) with a high percentage of black voters and Kluckers. Not a good electoral backdrop for her. Even the pollsters are staying away. The black voters will undoubtedly break for Obama in the high 80s & 90s, like everywhere else, and the 3 dem Kluckers in the state will vote against Clinton on principle - after all, she's the wife of the first black president, isn't that what they say? The repug Kluckers won't need to cross over for Obama to win, so they may not. I wouldn't invest a lot of time and effort there - except along the coast and in Jackson to try and pick up a few votes. There are other, better opportunities to spend money in between now and June.
Please post a link that shows him here campaigning.
Hillary was here the Saturday or Sunday just before the Primary.
The rules said no campaigning, he didn't campaign. I'm not really sure about fund raising though, however he did no fund raising events in Florida that I'm aware of once the Primary dates were set.
I in the mean time will look and see if Hillary showed up in Florida before the dates were set as well. She did show up like I said above two or three days before the Primary.
AP, your post hoc explanation of Obama and Edwards' actions in MI & FL is fiction, makes no sense and I submit is based on nothing but your opinion. If he left his name on the FL ballot as a countermeasure, why didn't he do the same thing in MI? His gaming of the system in FL made Hillary's look amateurish and naive.
I really am unsure about how one buys national ads and if you can exclude a particular area or state from them running in.
Was this more of him not knowing that they may play in Florida? I don't know.
Since he never ran for a national office that I know of it could have been an error and he was not given the information that would have let him know they might show up in Florida.
I'm not making any excuses for him. What I am saying is its possible that it was unintentional on his part and means he was not well served by those who should have informed him that this might happen.
Hillary knows the rules a lot better since she's been involved in national politics for a long time and she is an establishment candidate no matter what she says or denies being one.
And Clinton did not go to Florida until after the polls had closed on election day except for the fundraisers and she has always said the results should count as opposed to Mr.only if win.
I agree with ap about the danger of Shrub. It isn't so much the various plans etc it's that Shrub is a dishonest git who has no respect for the rule of law
he has proven that time and time again.
And the Republicans have shown they will not stop him but follow him over the cliff.
AP, he didn't buy the ads - his campaign staff did, and I assure you, Axelrod knows all there is to know about national ad buys. Obama may not have known they would run there, but I'll bet dollars to doughnuts the staff that bought them did, and bought them with grins on their faces, knowing they would run in the big FL markets in violation of the campaign ban there. What he did do is agree not to campaign there, and his staff had to be aware of that - we were - it was, as they say, in all the papers.
And the last time Hillary was in a national political race was 12 years ago, and I have no idea that she was involved in advertising then. That is not the kind of stuff that the candidates do, but they get to take the heat when their staff does. Her staff avoided a national ad buy that would run in FL.
Face it, she complied with the agreement, he didn't.
Anon-
Disagree that MI should be done over. After Edw and BHO took their names off, they put out on Tv and Radio for everyone to vote for other/undecided, and got 40%- and Hillary 50+% .. Going on Radio/Tv was violating the rules also. If they go to caucus because MI simply cannot afford it, look at all the disenfranchisement to the people unable to get there/peopleoutof state/etc.
BHO would get the undec he asked for and Hill get her 50+%... fair as can be...
Voting was done fair and square and should stand/no causus.
However, it is being bandied about that it could be a firehouse vote. As I understand it, people drop their ballot off at the firehouse. No causus type - one vote per person.
I personally hope Gov. Grantholm? sticks up for as is.
Have also heard she is a friend of Hillary's, - so perhaps they will stick together..
No Causus for MI.... that favors Obama and could change the vote.. and is not fair as I see it. The fact he took his name off is his problem.. Not the voters..
I'm from michigan and I want the vote to be done over.
All agreed to take their names off. Clinton put hers on at the last moment and when he saw this, Kucinich did too. the other two were trying to comply.
Both advertised at the last minute or all would have not known about the new rules for voting. most didn't anyway.
So to say that Obama and Edwards disobeyed is total crap.
I have heard from many many people in the Detroit region (white as well as black) and they WANT the vote again. They couldn't stomach voting for a candidate that they didn't want.
"Obama seemed unaware the pledge he signed prohibits news conferences. Asked whether he was violating it, he said, "I was just doing you guys a favor. … If that's the case, then we won't do it again.""
Seemed he was unaware. If that's the case, then we won't do it again. Are you saying he is lying when when he said he wouldn't do it again or that he was unaware?
"TAMPA - Barack Obama hinted during a Tampa fundraiser Sunday that if he's the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, he'll seat a Florida delegation at the party's national convention, despite national party sanctions prohibiting it.
"According to Sanchez and Tom Scarritt, Obama was asked during the event about making sure Floridians have a role in the nomination, despite the DNC sanctions and the pledge. Scarritt said Obama responded that he'll "do what's right by Florida voters.""
"do what's right by Florida voters". Were does it say he would seat the delegates?
The first paragraph is the assumption by the writer that he would seat the delegates, whereby he directly said when ask "he would do what's right by Florida voters".
It seems that there is a lot of story twisting when you read what the reporter assumed and what Obama actually said.
young - I wish what you were saying about MI was likely, but I doubt it. What I knwo is that Dean and the DNC stepped in it up to their asses and now can't find a good way to wade out.
AP, just out of curiosity, what , other than making their votes count, could "do[ing] what's right by Florida voters" mean? You don't suspect Obama didn't know what the reporter was asking do you? Sounds to me like he was saying something to mislead them, but maybe you have a different slant on it. Rather than just parse his words to deny that he said he'd seat the delegates, please explain to me what you think he could have meant.
AP, I doubt that Obama will be firing Axelrod. You can't find guys like him every day. Penn could go and I wouldn't care - his strategy for Feb. was boneheaded.
Second thing Josh does not know is that the decision to remove their names from the ballot in Michigan was initiated by Obama, the Party had nothing to do with it, and Obama's request was adhered to by Edwards and some of the other candidates but NOT Dodd, Kucinich and Gravel (the dirty cheaters). See, HALF of the candidates did not remove their names from the ballot. There was NO RULE requiring it. http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/1/25/183713/960
Okay, before I get in trouble at work I'll try to answer.
As I understand they were suppose to give something to the Credentials Committee about seating the delegates and the Committee would determine if they were to be seated or not.
This would be at the done at the convention as I understood it.
If anyone is more familar with the rules of the Credentials Committee please enlighten all of us.
AP, you won't catch me this evening - basketball tourney, Round 2, ya know. So basically, you don't know what he meant and are speculating about him thinking about the Credentials Committee stuff you mentioned - he certainly said nothing about it. As I recall, that was backfill that was mentioned after the primary and after Dean said no dice to a Rules change. Whatever.
""We f***d up in Ohio," Power told the Scottish daily, referring to the Illinois senator's loss to the former first lady in the midwestern state in Tuesday's primary."
A key foreign policy advisor to Barack Obama - Powers
KGC
As an old farm boy, I can tell you cows have their own clock and they are very resistant to change. So mostly they are indifferent to daylight savings time. The wise dairy farmer is too, if he wants to keep the milk flowing.
Unhappy cows are stressed cows and stressed cows don't produce milk.
kc, I always though farmers did their work on the schedules of the seasons and animals they had, rather than make the crops and animals adhere to the clock and calendar. I have to admit, I don't know much about farming other than it's something I never wanted to do.
Pogo...
I did go hot tubbin yesterday..... I couldn't resist my bathing suit calling to me.....
Rick's ski buddies from work came up yesterday and skiied with him..... he says he has no ski legs left.... so we are going shopping at LaHouts today....
read the NYT piece..... I've never seen this much snow up here....
when we passed the "Entering Campton" sign on our way up here, I told Rick.... "we are in Pogo country"....
Lardass..... my changed moniker is because I'm on a different computer.... it's only for this week.... I'll be back to RebelliousRenee tomorrow afternoon.....
besides.... it's hard to be rebellious with all the hot tubbin',,,,,
Pogo....
thanks for the NYT piece.... I've never seen so much snow up here.....
I did decide to go hot tubbin yesterday..... couldn't resist the call of my bathing suit.....
Rick's ski buddies from work were here yesterday and they skiied their butts off...... Rick says he has no ski legs left..... we will go shopping at LaHouts today....
Lardass..... my moniker change is because I'm on a different computer..... it's only for this week....
I'll be back to RebelliousRenee tomorrow afternoon...
besides.... it's hard to be rebellious when all that hot tubbin' makes one so mellow......
All candidates have their tropes. All have their tripe.
Over the last two months it has seemed to me that Obama's building a case on his judgment -- a case based on an opinion a lot of us shared over the Iraq vote -- may be turning as odd and disenchanting as Rudy's building a case on 9/11.
To run on a vote a person didn't make (because that person was not yet elected to make that vote) and, if I am right, a vote he has said he is not sure he would have not made if he were in office then...
Well, that's kind of like Rudy's fugue.
Experience as a premise involves the opportunity for mistakes and learning from them.
I am not seeing a lot of learning from a sudden late winter crop of political misjudgments in the Obama camp.
The ground operation has been excellent. But the judgments and the adjustments are straining both credibility and credulity.
Judgment again is a funny thing to run on. Particularly when there is something which anyone could see would be at minimum a big fat peccable political liability coming to trial during the campaign.
Again... Rudy-like.
Who knows? Observations are not....
Well, they're not judgments. But they certainly help form them with some alertness and wisdom
This is part one of two...It is a bit long - but worth listening to if you want to hear more from Powers regarding BHO promises vs. his own planned reality.
renee,
If it's still there,there is a little grocery store - next to the post office as I recall, that has the best homemade donuts in that area. You go to the main intersection - you can't miss it, there's only one (49 & 175) - and turn left onto 175. The store is about a block up on the left. That was my every Sunday morning outing with the dog - I'd have 2 and give her one. And if it'sstill there, there's a 2 story store/apartment at the intersection (NW corner) that had a wonderful bakery in it. And there is a great Ski Shop in the Campton Shoppong Center, just off the 93 exit - Ski Fanatics - an old friend - Don Englehart - used to own it - I figure he still does. Stop in and tell him I said hello.
Well , I didn't vote the first time in Michigan. If thewy wanna do it over , I'll be sure to vote this time. I'll help somebody win Michigan. Even if I didn't do it the first time.
If it's still there,there is a little grocery store - next to the post office as I recall, that has the best homemade donuts in that area. You go to the main intersection - you can't miss it, there's only one (49 & 175) - and turn left onto 175. The store is about a block up on the left. That was my every Sunday morning outing with the dog - I'd have 2 and give her one. And if it'sstill there, there's a 2 story store/apartment at the intersection (NW corner) that had a wonderful bakery in it. And there is a great Ski Shop in the Campton Shoppong Center, just off the 93 exit - Ski Fanatics - an old friend - Don Englehart - used to own it - I figure he still does. Stop in and tell him I said hello.
Powers just left the Obama campaign. It was only right. The hateful and nasty things she said should never have been said , to no one..
Personal slander should have not place in campaign.
Political squabbles, are never going to stop.
But Powers was personal and nasty all the way. She should have been made to stand up on Tv and apoligize to Hillary personally, not just writing..
He should have gotten rid of goolsbey also, but he won't.
We all know that HRC has an ego that won’t accept the VP position. Her words and body language also say that. Besides, I believe Obama can win more people (the ones who have voted for the first time in history and the Independents and Republicans he is gathering) with a better candidate running with him like Webb in Virginia who does have the military experience to go up against McLame’s future argument. Obama is STILL ahead in delegates and she will probably not get that many more even with PA.
Obama people are not ... delusional. They are realists in a sense that we know this country needs real change from the old politics and the Clintons are right in the center of those old politics. She is the one that says they know how politics work. It is so comforting to know that within their campaign they are all Mother F’g each other with every word and screaming and yelling at each other. When you have cut throats working with you to win at all costs, that’s what happens.
Regarding the murder of the little dog, it seems they have the person. Let’s hope they don’t have the wrong guy, but from all accounts, and there are many, this guy would seem to be that person. This story is out there probably more than Obama/Clinton stories. There is such an uproar about it. I learned in my research that Hitler made all his people take a puppy and keep it with them until the puppy was one year old so they would become close to it. At that time, after they had grown fond of it, they had to murder it with their bare hands. Now we know one way monsters are born.
We all know that HRC has an ego that won’t accept the VP position. Her words and body language also say that. Besides, I believe Obama can win more people (the ones who have voted for the first time in history and the Independents and Republicans he is gathering) with a better candidate running with him like Webb in Virginia who does have the military experience to go up against McLame’s future argument. Obama is STILL ahead in delegates and she will probably not get that many more even with PA.
Obama people are not ... delusional. They are realists in a sense that we know this country needs real change from the old politics and the Clintons are right in the center of those old politics. She is the one that says they know how politics work. It is so comforting to know that within their campaign they are all Mother F’g each other with every word and screaming and yelling at each other. When you have cut throats working with you to win at all costs, that’s what happens.
Regarding the murder of the little dog, it seems they have the person. Let’s hope they don’t have the wrong guy, but from all accounts, and there are many, this guy would seem to be that person. This story is out there probably more than Obama/Clinton stories. There is such an uproar about it. I learned in my research that Hitler made all his people take a puppy and keep it with them until the puppy was one year old so they would become close to it. At that time, after they had grown fond of it, they had to murder it with their bare hands. Now we know one way monsters are born.
AP wrote: "Yeah, right. Blame Kerry for the Nazi Republicans changing the date of the Primary."
Actually, AP, that's not what I'm blaming Kerry for - that is Dean's fault. Yes...the Republicans moved the primary in FL but it was Dean and those yahoos on the DNC committee that pounded their feet and said...if you do this your votes don't count. The Republican Legislator laughed and said...OK
What I'm blaming Kerry for is his persistence in wanting to circumvent the nomination process. He is just one of many that are saying this should all end for the so called "good of the party" but I can assure you...he's the ring leader.
Plenty of blame to go around AP. The Republicans are bad dudes...not doubt about it - but the Democrats continually shoot themselves and trip over their feet. They look like amateurs...perhaps that's why it's time for a woman to lead the party.
And BTW AP - they were all allowed to "fund raise" in FL and Obama and Edwards both held fund raisers in the state as well.
Obama is the only one that ran ads
Who broke the rules AP?
Let's get over the rules...this is politics...
Let's talk about how the Democrats win in November -
FL is so close to going blue and yet the DNC wanted to puff out their chest and pound it with their fists while the Republican Gov. and Leg. laughed at them. They need to figure out how NOT to disenfranchise FL voters.
And AP - I agreed with your plan so why you yellin' at me.
Pogo wrote: "Hillary doesn't stand much chance in MS - it is a very poor, conservative, backward state in much of the state"
I agree 100% plus she made that bone head remark that even though she apologized...one can't back out of too easily. That's why she should put a lot of resources into WY and see if she can pull an upset (unlikely I know) and at least split the news cycle with him.
The Clintons say PA is like Ohio and they expect to win there. James Carville has made the comment many times that PA is much different than other states in that it is like three separate states (not his exact quote).
Enthusiasm Tilts Toward Obama in Pa.
STROUDSBURG, Pa. (AP) - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton starts her campaign in Pennsylvania as the favorite to win the April 22 primary.
“But in random interviews last week with dozens of voters in swing districts across the state, much of the Democratic voter enthusiasm seemed to tilt toward rival Barack Obama, not only because he is a fresh face, but because they believe he has the best shot at beating Republican nominee-in-waiting John McCain, whom they call old and out-of-touch.”
“Kate Clark, 53, a cafe owner in Nazareth, a small town near Allentown, said she struggled with her choice. Tempted to vote for Clinton because of her gender, she said Obama's energy and vision ultimately won out. I think we need to see the United States and see the world through eyes that are younger, through eyes that have dreams, through eyes that see something new for the nation," Clark said.”
Kate, exactly my opinion. Gone with the old. In with the new. I like rolling the dice when there is a good chance for change!
Brian wrote: "So now HillCo is whining cause someone called Hillary a monster, lame.So now HillCo is whining cause someone called Hillary a monster, lame."
Not so lame when you consider that she ended up resigning and from what I'm reading...she was a key adviser...not just some campaign worker - bad for the news cycle today for poor ole O'
Coulter back on MSNBC -- it's funny" to refer to Obama's middle name
"Summary: In an appearance on MSNBC, right-wing pundit Ann Coulter again referred to Sen. Barack Obama as "B. Hussein Obama." When asked by host Amy Robach, "Why don't you like to say "Barack Obama"? Coulter replied, "Because I think it's funny. I mean, it wouldn't be -- this hysteria from the Democrats about how you can't call him by his middle name. ... Of course there's a reason we call him that."
"I like rolling the dice when there is a good chance for change!"
LOL
Back in the days when I practiced many youthful indiscretions, I rolled them bones a few times. Ya Knooooow. I never remember coming out on top very many times but I sure as hell lost the rent money more than once.
One of the things I hate about George Bush is that he just loves to stir shit up to see what happens. He even brags about it.
Presidents should be like a banker, cautious, prudent. Thinking things out before you take that step off the cliff is good.
I'm not a revolution for the hell of it type of person
Coulter said: "I mean, terrorism does throw things off this year, but if you assume, as I tend to, that this is going to be a Democrat year, the choice is between B. Hussein Obama and Hillary Clinton. And I do think Hillary Clinton would be tougher with the terrorists. I think she'd probably be worse on domestic policy, but right now, the war on terrorism has me more concerned."
Interesting numbers from Rasmussen on do-overs in MI and FL - could almost point to them and say - instead of a do over - split the vote in MI and leave as is in FL - that is if Rasmussen wasn't one of the most inaccurate polls going right now.
Karolenna, the delusional comment was aimed at hizzoner Brian - whose blinders know no bounds - for his snarky right out of the box comment about whining and lame, and for anyone else who overlooks the hypocrisy in the Obama camp, but bludgeons Clinton for everything anyone in her campaign says. , but only if the shoe fits.
Jack, you might want your president to be a banker type - not a bad idea btw - but you sure don't want this president to be your banker. His track record at managing other people's money is not so great.
Whining, tears, and praising the GOP nominee is how Hillary things she'll get back in the White House. Just the facts pogo, if it's troubling to you take it up with campaign.
With regard to the “roll the dice” comment, of course you know that was merely a reference to Bill Clinton’s remark about those who vote for Obama. If Obama’s campaign and how it is run financially is any indication, he would most certainly seem to operate like a banker, and is cautious and prudent. We know he is intelligent and has good judgment.
I loved the comment Jay Rockefeller made last Sunday about Obama when Hilliary said he was not even able to vote on the Iraqi resolution and that she had not even read all of it herself before voting for it. Jay said Obama DID read the entire resolution…all of it and he could not even vote for it. That’s prudent, IMO. And, Jay said Obama reads the intelligence reports regularly even though he is not on that committee. A thirst for information would most certainly be a direct opposite than the dummy now occupying the WH.
"The race is extremely tight. Wyoming is all alone on the weekend Democratic schedule. And though its caucuses will choose only a dozen of the 4,000 Democratic delegates — in a state where the last two Democratic presidential nominees pulled less than 30 percent of the general election vote — Wyoming suddenly finds itself in the national spotlight."
business as usual.
You should send that experience to the Clinton headquarters. They were asking for anyone knowing of irregularities.
I do not believe he won ALL those caucuses on the up and up. Don't you find it strange he won all those caucuses and she won all the big states? Come on now logically that does not make sense. I think caucus people for Hillary were intimidated, or something to that effect.
I think Fl and Mich will be seated. It is too expensive to redo and Obama and Hillary were equal there no one campaigned in Fl. As for Mich. he took his name off.. No one forced him to do that.
business as usual.
You should send that experience to the Clinton headquarters. They were asking for anyone knowing of irregularities.
I do not believe he won ALL those caucuses on the up and up. Don't you find it strange he won all those caucuses and she won all the big states? Come on now logically that does not make sense. I think caucus people for Hillary were intimidated, or something to that effect.
I think Fl and Mich will be seated. It is too expensive to redo and Obama and Hillary were equal there no one campaigned in Fl. As for Mich. he took his name off.. No one forced him to do that.
Gordo, I wouldn't (am not) getting too excited about Wyoming - it's just the sort of state that Obama has had big victories in over the last month. Staying close in MS & WY wil be about as good as Hillary can expect to get in those states. There has a been a swing nationally, but those states are deeply red, and Hillary hasn't done well in republican states, with or without large black voting populations.
Hello to all,
I have been reading this blog for the past few weeks but have never posted. I became aware of this site after I emailed Craig C. mentioning how turned off my wife and I were by the MSM. and he responded by saying that he hoped things would get better (maybe). I now only watch MoJo if Buchanan is a guest and today comments were made that summed up my feelings.
My wife and I are ardent Hillary supporters and have found the media bias to be truly troubling to our democratic process and people like Russert, Mathews, Mika & Joe and this blogs BRIAN NYC have all made the case for my road to Damascus conversion. I have never voted for a Republican but on MoJo Mathews said that he foresaw the great prospect that many voters who back Hillary would turn to McCain if Hillary were not the nominee. That is a great possibility of two in this household.
So now HillCo is whining cause someone called Hillary a monster, lame.
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC Author Profile Page | March 7, 2008 11:08 AM
Finally, as a former long term resident of NYC I must state that in the vernacular of NYC that I think Brain NYC is a complete "schm-ck". If "monster" works for Brian NYC; that he slams Hillco for his advisor's diatribe this only adds to the resentment I feel which is the essence of Mathews comment this morning.
Steven, pull up a chair, make yourself at home, and don't be a stranger. Stick around and I'll try to talk you out of voting for McCain, no matter the outcome of teh dem primary season.
AP has called for Penn's head twice today - I have previously, but I suspect for very different reasons. Just curious, and I know AP went back to work, but has Penn said something unfairly critical of Obama's character that would warrant his dismissal? May be, but if so I've not seen it.
Well comparing Obama to Ken Starr is just one example pogo. But the Clintons have a fondness for sleazy fat guys, her brothers and Dick Morris come to mind.
I'm getting ready to leave work and checked it to see what the new comments were.
It helps me remember the time so I don't re read already read comments.
You wonder about Penn.
Try the Drug innuendos he brought up a couple of times. You remember, after he brought it up we started seeing the "how many times did he do drugs, did he sell drugs and many more other things which at my age I'd have to dig deep in my mind to remember.
I believe that there was also a couple other things, but they slip my tin foil hat mind at present.
Anyway I'm shutting down my machine and heading home.
Steven, I have two words for you - Supreme Court. And I have three words for you - three likely vacancies. I don't need any other reason, all other things equal, to vote Dem in Nov. I've watched Dumya savage the constitution, and a swing of 3 more conservative justices would IMHO likely set up a perfect storm for the erosion of most of the constitutional rights that have been articulated from the Warren Court to today. I don't buy the threat of terror BS as a justification for Iraq, the Patriot Act, the extension of FISA, electronically eavesdropping on US telephone calls, TSA making me take my shoes off, take my laptop out, carry miniature toiletries and give up the duty free booze I could have bought in the airport to get to a plane or any other of the utter nonsense that has been visited on us in the past 7 years. Plus, I really don't want the government letting the states tell doctors how to treat pregnant women. And constitutional concerns aside, with the wimpy leadership provided by Reid and Pelosi, a McCain presidency will get its way on economic and domestic issues that are very real to everyone, and the country will be a worse mess than it is now by the time he's done with it. I could go on, but will spare you for now.
Brian thank you for finally comparing Ken Starr to a monster...and the reason BHO had to fire Ms. Power is a few days ago BHO was bragging that he was running a well managed campaign and that he should be President because he has such a great campaign staff and that equals a great President. Well, GWB had one hell of a campaign staff in Rove and company and how do we rate his Presidency? BHO is getting that much need exposure we have been waiting for and it seems he is just like the rest...not really a different kind of candidate!
Isn't it funny how she is still trying to keep this in the news and Obama dismissed the person just after the "off the record" remark was made. How long did it take HRC to rid her campaign of the monster who kept using the cocaine word on the airways?
Three complete days!
She is a monster.
And for those who like to ha, ha, ha.
Here's to you. Ha, Ha, Ha, even though it is childish!!!
Hey Brian...not double standard, same standard. They are all politicians. BHO is the same as the rest.
Now for my light bulb jokes, how many Brians does it take to screw in a light bulb? Just one, he holds it while he wait for the world to revolve around him.
How many Hillarys does it take to screw in a light bulb, it take a village.
Well I'm going to take a nap, maybe another Obama supporter will turn up for you all to attack, though don't hold your breath, most have abandoned this blog in disgust, hey who can blame em.
"Well I'm going to take a nap, maybe another Obama supporter will turn up for you all to attack, though don't hold your breath, most have abandoned this blog in disgust, hey who can blame em."
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC | March 7, 2008 3:15 PM
OK, I've tried to find the quote from Penn - I do recall him saying something like acting like Ken Starr won't win him the presidency - describing campaign tactics and comparing them to the relentless pursuit of all things Clinton and referencing drug use as described by the candidate (although I do agree that the suggestions of him possibly selling drugs was completely out of line and in no way supported by the reference to MJ and blow in his book and would be appropriate grounds to get rid of the person making those suggestons) is not the same IMHO as calling the opposing candidate a monster (although in this case and with Ken Starr the distinction is admittedly a fine one). I really would like to re-read the quote if anyone can find it and link it.
karolenna, I suggest you read the article that the paper that published Power's comment published. The remark was in the context of an interview during her book tour, and was on the record.
Comments
Gooood Morning Trailmixers! First!
Posted by: Divalicias | March 7, 2008 6:01 AM
Doing the "hard work behind the scenes" is pretty much the role to which many Democratic women are typically relegated. This would not sit well with me or my friends who've toiled in the DEM vineyards, decade after decade, always backing the male leaders who step into the spotlight and claim the credit for the fruits of our labor. VP is the ultimate glass ceiling. Will the wimmin folks riot? Probably not. We'll just quit -- then who will organize all those precincts and staf all those phone banks?
Posted by: Divalicias | March 7, 2008 6:11 AM
I think Obama's on First.
Time for work and travel to the snowy regions of Michigan for the weekend. See you guys tonight and all day Saturday being snowed in maybe.
I think Senator Clinton would be better served as Vice President, rather than senator, if she can't overcome the obvious. The Delegate count. If she can, than Vice versa. I think Obama would be better served that way too.
Both are changing the face of Politics. Both should keep going on one ticket for the American People.
now let the pile ons begin.
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 7, 2008 6:16 AM
Sheila, I see putting Mrs Clinton in as VP as letting all the women who have made men successful, that she's only good enough to serve coffee in the White House.
Have fun at work!
Posted by: Flatus
| March 7, 2008 6:21 AM
Flatus,
As i am running out the door. There is the difference. I had quite a hard time paving the way for women too. I do want to see a woman in. But not just any woman and I see too many red flag warnings for this woman at this time.
I think her dynasty needs checking before she enters the White House again. I've been reading up on her and her husbands dealings with Middle east and Far east Large contributers in the last 10 years. Its public and this questionable.
I didn't like Bush being in the pockets of middle east oil and I don't like the Clintons being in the pockets of Dubai....
been checking and if Rezko is the only slip of Obama compared to what is on the Clinton dockets.
Well, my personal choice is still Obama.
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 7, 2008 6:27 AM
Rushing out the DOOR! ;0)
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 7, 2008 6:27 AM
Obama's Senior Foreign Policy Adviser Calls Clinton a 'Monster'
"In the second time in two days, a senior foreign policy adviser, steps in it. Yesterday it was Susan Rice who said Obama wasn't ready to answer a 3:00 phone call, asserting that Clinton wasn't either. Now, according to The Scotsman, Samantha Power has taken it one step further calling Clinton a "monster."
Ms Power told The Scotsman Mrs Clinton was stopping at nothing to try to seize the lead from Mr Obama.
"We f***** up in Ohio," she admitted. "In Ohio, they are obsessed and Hillary is going to town on it, because she knows Ohio's the only place they can win.
"She is a monster, too – that is off the record – she is stooping to anything," Ms Power said, hastily trying to withdraw her remark.
This is not the first time Obama's team has screwed up on international relations in the last week or so; adding Rice and Goolsbee, it's a hat-trick. It's getting to be a habit with them."
http://taylormarsh.com/
Posted by: GORDO | March 7, 2008 6:36 AM
"In December, Obama said he had "been very clear to my campaign. I do not want to see research that is involved in trying to tear people down personally. If I find out that somebody is doing that, they will be fired. And I have been absolutely crystal clear about this, and I have been clear about this for a very long time."
Would this count? Should Power be fired by the Obama standard?"
http://www.blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/obama-foreign-p.html
Posted by: GORDO | March 7, 2008 6:54 AM
Christopher Althouse Cohen, emails about his own experience caucusing in Austin, Texas:
An unusual thing happened to me on the way to my polling location. I was walking to the school, and there was a group of Obama supporters holding up signs on the front of the school yard. I walked from the side of the yard to the front entrance, but I was wearing a large Hillary button, and one of the Obama supporters ran across the school yard so he could catch me well before I got to the door. He asked if I was here to vote and I, not stopping to talk to him, continued walking but said I already voted and I was going to caucus. It was 6:40 or so and both campaigns advised their supporters in all their mailings to show up early (at 6:30 or 6:45) to avoid potentially being shut out when the doors closed at 7:15. The Obama supporter said, "Oh, well the caucus is at 7:15," implying that I should leave and come back then. If I had done that and tried to show up at 7:15, I would likely have been shut out, because the doors closed then.
I just talked to a Hillary supporter online who said that he was standing in line at 7:15 and that the line was long enough so that he was standing outside, even though they had showed up early. The Obama precinct captain on the inside was demanding that everyone still standing outside, including him, be shut out, and everyone outside started arguing with the Obama supporters on the inside. Eventually, they were let in. He told me that a friend of his was in tears over the phone, because at her location Obama supporters were literally pushing Clinton supporters away from the sign-in sheets that were later used for the official vote tallies.
This news story says that there was a complaint of Obama precinct captains filling in "Obama" after every signature that left the presidential preference spot blank.
The sign-in sheets were confusing. I was unofficially in charge of the sign-in list, though there was an Obama precinct captain standing over me, talking to every single voter at the time, and I can say that a large portion of the people signing in found it hard to read and weren't sure if this was when they actually declared their support for a candidate, so I can see why some people might leave it blank. I'll attach a copy of what the sign-in sheet looked like.
Posted by: BusinessAsUsual | March 7, 2008 7:35 AM
This was posted on a blog listed on huffpo.
No intended slam to BHO - just lightening it up.
How many Obama supporters does it take to change a lightbulb? None, by the time Obama becomes prez, lightbulbs will light themselves..
Y'all have a good day..
Posted by: young 73 | March 7, 2008 7:45 AM
Q. How many Obama supporters does it take to change a lightbulb?
A. None. It's not the lightbulb that needs changing.
Posted by: whskyjack | March 7, 2008 8:12 AM
Read how under Bush our Military has been destroyed and our Troops have become War Criminals.
Vets Break Silence on Iraq War Crimes
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/78352/
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 8:19 AM
Read how the surge is working.
Iraq: Clashes Between U.S.-Backed Forces Increase
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/78557/
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 8:21 AM
Q: How many Republicans does it take to screw in a light bulb?
.
A: Two: one to deny that it's gone out, and one to say that it's the Clinton administrations fault.
Posted by: whskyjack | March 7, 2008 8:22 AM
GORDO...
I apologize to you for thinking the racist comment came from you.
I hope craig blocked the IP of the person who posted that vile racist remark.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 8:25 AM
There is now a petition for the resignation of Howard Dean regarding MI and Fl..
Fl will probably get seated without a redo, but Mi is up in air. Hillary is calling for let stand.. Obama name was on the ticket and he took it off, so - shucks - his problem.. The primary was all done fair and square. I agree it should stand as is...
Lou Dobbs has now renamed Naftagate as Obamagate..
Posted by: young 73 | March 7, 2008 8:30 AM
I am not in agreement with Craig about HRC taking the VP spot or her being the Cheney of the Obama administration. That kind of analysis just feeds all the myths about her and women.
It is our time and we have the most qualified person. As someone else posted look at "the above the fray bunch" and their personal, demeaning remarks re HRC. They didn't win. They know she stopped them and with the new litter of pups we are going all the way.
It is about time.
Posted by: elaine of tampa
| March 7, 2008 8:32 AM
mornin' all.
If it's Friday, it must be Krugman.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/opinion/07krugman.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
He's got a lot of good advice for Dems in this column. I hope we'll listen.
From Tapper's article:
"Statement from Samantha Power: These comments do not reflect my feelings about Sen. Clinton, whose leadership and public service I have long admired. I should not have made these comments and I deeply regret them. It is wrong for anyone to pursue this campaign in such negative and personal terms. I apologize to Sen. Clinton and to Sen. Obama, who has made very clear that these kinds of expressions should have no place in American politics."
Sounds like Goolsbee, only apologetic - at least Power acknowledges that she said what she said during her descent into honesty rather than deny it like Goolsbee. I guess she's never heard the old adage that you can't unring a bell.
AP, thanks for the link - disturbing, isn't it?
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 8:35 AM
Where can I sign petition?
Howard Dean knew when he drew line in sand that the decision was not being made by Dems, but by repugs. HRC kept her name on ballot in MI and FL, BO took his name off, oops bad decision. Oh, he also had campaign ads non-stop in FL oops bad decision.
Let the delegates at least in FL stand. 1.7 million voters how can they deny that.
Send me petition.
Posted by: elaine of tampa
| March 7, 2008 8:37 AM
Perhaps Tapper should let HRC's apology to Mississippi get as much attention. Is she the only one who can't misspeak?
Posted by: elaine of tampa
| March 7, 2008 8:39 AM
Craig - video trailmix this morning is really great.
I agree with the elaine and diva...only Obama supporters refuse to see the big picture (probably mostly out of hatred than anything else)
16 year plan is in play. Hillary takes it...Obama has a chance to mature, gets some foreign policy experience, first hand executive branch experience. You take that...and the other qualities that have been working for him (but are starting to not be enough), he's unbeatable in 2016 and the Dems can maintain the WH for 16 years.
I have my doubts the Dem superDs will be able to think in this broad of terms. The men of the party in particular. They had hoped Nanci Pelosi becoming speaker would keep the girls at bay and they could maintain the leadership of the party overall. Now they are poopin' their pants that Hillary has done this well and a woman could be the leader of the party. So it will be impossible for them to see how they could form a ticket that would maintain the WH for the Party overall for 16 years.
My hope is that there are enough enlightened male superDs to negotiate this - but given the "star" male names beating the drum for Obama...it's going to be difficult.
In the end...the Dem's will have John Kerry to blame - AGAIN - for their demise in November.
Posted by: Hill Yeah Wendy! | March 7, 2008 8:47 AM
More good news for Hillary - everyone will get to vote in Puerto Rico.
"[Puerto Rico will] change the voting process from 8 caucuses to a primary with voting places in all 1,800+ barrios in Puerto Rico's 78 municipalities. This is done in light of the hundreds of thousands of Democrats expected to turn out on June 1, a late date in which we would have originally expected a pro-forma vote with low turnout. [...]
The change was approved unanimously by all members present, including many Clinton supporters (such as State Chair Prats and myself) and many Obama supporters.
The rationale? There's no way we could handle more than a few tens of thousands of voters in eight district caucuses, while we can handle a million voters (at least 500 voters between 8am and 3 pm per polling place in each of 1,800+ barrios) in a primary."
http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/breaking-puerto-rico-switches-to.html
Posted by: Hill Yeah Wendy! | March 7, 2008 8:47 AM
The Obama campaign digging up the misstatement by Hillary from October and turning it into ads, etc. is going to be pretty affective against her in Mississippi.
She should go down there and campaign for a couple of days and give it the "ole college try" but she shouldn't expect too much out of there.
I think they should throw a lot of effort into Wyoming and see if they can pull of some kind of upset Saturday and at least split the news cycle with O'.
Posted by: Hill Yeah Wendy! | March 7, 2008 8:51 AM
Great news and analysis, Hill Yeah!!
Posted by: elaine of tampa
| March 7, 2008 8:51 AM
I think she plans to campaign in Mississippi and she has acknowledged straight on her comments were not the best she has made.
I don't think we will see the campaign avoid or give up re-emptively any staes in the future.
Posted by: elaine of tampa
| March 7, 2008 8:54 AM
Hey Gordo. here's one for you
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerBlog.jhtml?itemNo=957778&contrassID=25&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=1&listSrc=Y&art=1
Funny how Bosnia is the one big exception to the Powers rule which she knows Hillary pushed and she down plays it in her book blasting Bill over Rowanda. She ignores the Republican opposition and the unfair claims the military made on Clinton regarding Somalia which they later retractied following thier in-house examination. She makes the case for Hillary yet uses the same term she uses for those responsible for genocide. Such balance is sorely needed in the Obama camp. This is the person that pushes human rights trumps national security. Noah POllack does a good job, though who can argue that genocide ought to be stopped.
Funny you don't hear Powers blast Carter for not calling Darfur genocide. Hillary, not Obama, has called for real action in Darfur. McCain will sanction China over the Sudan. And I would love to ask Powers who is most abused in the world. Women, so perhaps her monster remark is even uglier than she thinks. Obama should toss her, but having head-hunted to find her, he won't. If Hillary said such things, she would be branded a racist. Another sporting the JFK label.
Malley, Powers, Zbig and Rice. And look who Powers says runs the Middle East job.
Posted by: Maxtrue | March 7, 2008 8:56 AM
The article pogo posted is a good read...especially for those who want to look at the perceived "black and whiteness" (no pun intended) of the "so called" hard pledged delegate numbers.
There is a lot of gray in between that the Democratic superDs better take into consideration when forming their ticket for November or they'll lose the election and be stuck with at minimum 4 more years of Republicans.
Posted by: Hill Yeah Wendy! | March 7, 2008 8:59 AM
Noah Pollack does a good job, though who can argue that genocide ought to not be stopped?
Damn typos....
Also this on Powers
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/02/samantha_power_and_obamas_fore_1.html
Posted by: Maxtrue | March 7, 2008 9:00 AM
young73...
Obama took his name off the MI ballot since all candidates agreed that MI's results would not be counted or delegates seated for violating the rules.
The smart thing He and Edwards did was leave their names on the Fl. ballot so I can fully support awarding delegates in Florida by Democratic rules.
However, MI is a horse of a different color and they should either do a Primary or a Caucus to be fair to all candidates.
Anything less would not be fair and it would affect the General in November. That's if we have elections.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 9:01 AM
pogo...
Your welcome. And this is coming on top of the Marine throwing that puppy off a cliff to its death.
What is our Military doing to turn our soldiers into killers of small animals as well as innocent men, woman and children?
And also with GWB pushing Fallon out is it so he can put someone in who will agree to start a War with Iran?
Sure looks that way too me.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 9:04 AM
I think all Obama supporters should use Hussein and if he becomes the candidate...all Democrats should adopt as their signature. It highlights the silliness of the right,
The video trail mix is great .
Off topic but pretty funny, I recently ran across this food blog due to a referene to bacon vodka...today's is even better.
http://www.browniepointsblog.com/
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | March 7, 2008 9:06 AM
"gets some foreign policy experience, first hand executive branch experience. "
Also to be considered, as VP he would be President of the Senate. That is the perfect spot to be watching the sausage being made on legislation and the herding of nominees to confirmation. Four or eight years of that combined with his street level and state level experience and you have a virtually unbeatable resume.
Posted by: jamie | March 7, 2008 9:09 AM
I agree with AP on this one. The FL delegates should be seated as is...Obama's name was on the ballot and he did have ads running - someone in FL yesterday they heard his voice and saw his face quite often.
MI is a different story - they should be seated but I also think they should be a do-over. I think just splitting it 50-50 will still disenfranchise voters (since Hillary won 55% or something like that). Giving them the way they are isn't fair to O' since he took his name off the ballot, not seating them hurts the Dems in Nove. A new primary in MI would resolve the issue...
I know they say in FL it would cost 25mil...has anyone seen estimates for MI?
Posted by: Hill Yeah Wendy! | March 7, 2008 9:09 AM
Q. How many George W Bushs does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: Only one. If he can handle screwing 300,000,000 people a day I think he can handle screwing one extra lightbulb.
Posted by: whskyjack | March 7, 2008 9:09 AM
Hi Sheila...for whenever you get back online: I just read your final response in the "screen name debate" from late last night, and understand what you're saying. So fair enough. :)
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 7, 2008 9:09 AM
Whiskey...great joke. Here's my punchline:
A: None. He hates lightbulbs, because they make it harder to keep the whole country in the dark.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 7, 2008 9:11 AM
Hill Yeah Wendy! ...
Yeah, right. Blame Kerry for the Nazi Republicans changing the date of the Primary.
They all agreed to the rules. Obama and the rest {except Hillary} took their names off the MI ballot.
At least Obama realized that Hillary would game the system so he and Edwards left their names on the Fl Ballot as a counter measure.
And the national ad buy that did show up in Fl is no different than Hillary holding her so called non fund raiser just before the vote.
At least be honest and admit that she also broke the rules. More so than Obama and the rest of the Democratic candidates did.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 9:11 AM
Obama broke the rules in Fla,Clinton did not
He was in Fla for a fundraiser in Sept when he "hinted" he would seat the delegation. He was there the day after the ban went into effect. And he held a press conference. And when challenged on it got huffy.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | March 7, 2008 9:14 AM
The boyz took their names off the Michigan ballot in an attempt to pander to Iowa.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | March 7, 2008 9:15 AM
AP, I know you don't think this means anything, but this is what triggers the continuity directive in NSPD51.
"Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions; "
The "extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage or disruption" is a threshold - but who knows how that's determined? A couple hours poring over the directive might help, but not from what I saw skimming it.
Wendy! (Or should I say Hill?) Hillary doesn't stand much chance in MS - it is a very poor, conservative, backward state in much of the state, (not unlike my own home state) with a high percentage of black voters and Kluckers. Not a good electoral backdrop for her. Even the pollsters are staying away. The black voters will undoubtedly break for Obama in the high 80s & 90s, like everywhere else, and the 3 dem Kluckers in the state will vote against Clinton on principle - after all, she's the wife of the first black president, isn't that what they say? The repug Kluckers won't need to cross over for Obama to win, so they may not. I wouldn't invest a lot of time and effort there - except along the coast and in Jackson to try and pick up a few votes. There are other, better opportunities to spend money in between now and June.
Think Tuesday didn't mean anything? Look at this.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/104821/Gallup-Daily-Democratic-Race-Steady-Clinton-48-Obama-44.aspx
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 9:18 AM
AP, fundraising events were specifically allowed as exceptions to the restrictions against campaigning in FL. TV ads were not.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 9:20 AM
kgc...
Please post a link that shows him here campaigning.
Hillary was here the Saturday or Sunday just before the Primary.
The rules said no campaigning, he didn't campaign. I'm not really sure about fund raising though, however he did no fund raising events in Florida that I'm aware of once the Primary dates were set.
I in the mean time will look and see if Hillary showed up in Florida before the dates were set as well. She did show up like I said above two or three days before the Primary.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 9:27 AM
Ok guys, here are petition sites. Had to go back and find them, memory is morning sluggish
Resignation of HoDo
www.thepetitionsite.com/65/petition-for-howard-dean-to-resign
Petition to seat the delegates.
www.seatourdelegates.com
if doesn't work, I found it on TaylorMarsh.com under article on Mi/Fl comments section
it works there as I have signed it already.
Posted by: young 73 | March 7, 2008 9:27 AM
Why the washington post is compost these days.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/06/AR2008030603240.html
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | March 7, 2008 9:28 AM
AP, your post hoc explanation of Obama and Edwards' actions in MI & FL is fiction, makes no sense and I submit is based on nothing but your opinion. If he left his name on the FL ballot as a countermeasure, why didn't he do the same thing in MI? His gaming of the system in FL made Hillary's look amateurish and naive.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 9:28 AM
More Bush economy at work - manufacturing and construction sector jobs continue to fall away
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/business/international-usa-economy-jobs.html?hp
And the Dow is responding - It's now at 11,960, having downwardly broached the 12,000 barrier. Remember, you heard it here yesterday.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 9:34 AM
pogo...
I really am unsure about how one buys national ads and if you can exclude a particular area or state from them running in.
Was this more of him not knowing that they may play in Florida? I don't know.
Since he never ran for a national office that I know of it could have been an error and he was not given the information that would have let him know they might show up in Florida.
I'm not making any excuses for him. What I am saying is its possible that it was unintentional on his part and means he was not well served by those who should have informed him that this might happen.
Hillary knows the rules a lot better since she's been involved in national politics for a long time and she is an establishment candidate no matter what she says or denies being one.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 9:35 AM
Obama in Florida suggesting he would seat the delegation....(and then whispers only if he is the winner)
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/sep/30/obama-vows-do-whats-right/?news-breaking
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | March 7, 2008 9:35 AM
pogo...
"The "extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage or disruption" is a threshold - but who knows how that's determined?"
That's the problem. GWB decides what triggers it and it can be anything he so chooses it to be.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 9:38 AM
And Clinton did not go to Florida until after the polls had closed on election day except for the fundraisers and she has always said the results should count as opposed to Mr.only if win.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | March 7, 2008 9:39 AM
ps
I agree with ap about the danger of Shrub. It isn't so much the various plans etc it's that Shrub is a dishonest git who has no respect for the rule of law
he has proven that time and time again.
And the Republicans have shown they will not stop him but follow him over the cliff.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | March 7, 2008 9:42 AM
AP, he didn't buy the ads - his campaign staff did, and I assure you, Axelrod knows all there is to know about national ad buys. Obama may not have known they would run there, but I'll bet dollars to doughnuts the staff that bought them did, and bought them with grins on their faces, knowing they would run in the big FL markets in violation of the campaign ban there. What he did do is agree not to campaign there, and his staff had to be aware of that - we were - it was, as they say, in all the papers.
And the last time Hillary was in a national political race was 12 years ago, and I have no idea that she was involved in advertising then. That is not the kind of stuff that the candidates do, but they get to take the heat when their staff does. Her staff avoided a national ad buy that would run in FL.
Face it, she complied with the agreement, he didn't.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 9:45 AM
Anon-
Disagree that MI should be done over. After Edw and BHO took their names off, they put out on Tv and Radio for everyone to vote for other/undecided, and got 40%- and Hillary 50+% .. Going on Radio/Tv was violating the rules also. If they go to caucus because MI simply cannot afford it, look at all the disenfranchisement to the people unable to get there/peopleoutof state/etc.
BHO would get the undec he asked for and Hill get her 50+%... fair as can be...
Voting was done fair and square and should stand/no causus.
However, it is being bandied about that it could be a firehouse vote. As I understand it, people drop their ballot off at the firehouse. No causus type - one vote per person.
I personally hope Gov. Grantholm? sticks up for as is.
Have also heard she is a friend of Hillary's, - so perhaps they will stick together..
No Causus for MI.... that favors Obama and could change the vote.. and is not fair as I see it. The fact he took his name off is his problem.. Not the voters..
Posted by: young 73 | March 7, 2008 9:45 AM
AP & KGC, we ALL agree on something - write that down!!!
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 9:47 AM
I'm from michigan and I want the vote to be done over.
All agreed to take their names off. Clinton put hers on at the last moment and when he saw this, Kucinich did too. the other two were trying to comply.
Both advertised at the last minute or all would have not known about the new rules for voting. most didn't anyway.
So to say that Obama and Edwards disobeyed is total crap.
I have heard from many many people in the Detroit region (white as well as black) and they WANT the vote again. They couldn't stomach voting for a candidate that they didn't want.
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 7, 2008 9:54 AM
I was absentee and didn't know the exact rules either.
Posted by: Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun | March 7, 2008 9:55 AM
kgc...
Thank you.
"Obama seemed unaware the pledge he signed prohibits news conferences. Asked whether he was violating it, he said, "I was just doing you guys a favor. … If that's the case, then we won't do it again.""
Seemed he was unaware. If that's the case, then we won't do it again. Are you saying he is lying when when he said he wouldn't do it again or that he was unaware?
"TAMPA - Barack Obama hinted during a Tampa fundraiser Sunday that if he's the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, he'll seat a Florida delegation at the party's national convention, despite national party sanctions prohibiting it.
"According to Sanchez and Tom Scarritt, Obama was asked during the event about making sure Floridians have a role in the nomination, despite the DNC sanctions and the pledge. Scarritt said Obama responded that he'll "do what's right by Florida voters.""
"do what's right by Florida voters". Were does it say he would seat the delegates?
The first paragraph is the assumption by the writer that he would seat the delegates, whereby he directly said when ask "he would do what's right by Florida voters".
It seems that there is a lot of story twisting when you read what the reporter assumed and what Obama actually said.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 9:56 AM
If you have problems in Michgan talk to the Dingells
they are the ones responsible for moving it up.
By the way Clinton never took her name off.
And if you go back to Craig Crawford's columns on the issue you will see the candidates who took their names off did it to pander to the early state,.
I believe there were others still on the ballot besdes skinny Dennis and Clinton. Wasn't Chris Dodd still on
the ballot.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | March 7, 2008 9:58 AM
young - I wish what you were saying about MI was likely, but I doubt it. What I knwo is that Dean and the DNC stepped in it up to their asses and now can't find a good way to wade out.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 9:58 AM
pogo...
Then he should can Axelrod just like Hillary should can Penn.
Got to go and do some work.
God Bless
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 10:01 AM
ap
so you are suggesting that when he said he would do right by Florida voters....he meant he wouldn't let their votes mean anything.....
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | March 7, 2008 10:02 AM
AP, just out of curiosity, what , other than making their votes count, could "do[ing] what's right by Florida voters" mean? You don't suspect Obama didn't know what the reporter was asking do you? Sounds to me like he was saying something to mislead them, but maybe you have a different slant on it. Rather than just parse his words to deny that he said he'd seat the delegates, please explain to me what you think he could have meant.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 10:05 AM
kgc...
No and you know it. I can not say what he meant just like you can not say what he meant.
Only he can say what he meant and since I am not privy to his thoughts as you are not either its a false argument.
How do how prove or disprove a unknown thought.
You can't. Really got to go know.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 10:07 AM
AP, I doubt that Obama will be firing Axelrod. You can't find guys like him every day. Penn could go and I wouldn't care - his strategy for Feb. was boneheaded.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 10:08 AM
Second thing Josh does not know is that the decision to remove their names from the ballot in Michigan was initiated by Obama, the Party had nothing to do with it, and Obama's request was adhered to by Edwards and some of the other candidates but NOT Dodd, Kucinich and Gravel (the dirty cheaters). See, HALF of the candidates did not remove their names from the ballot. There was NO RULE requiring it.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/1/25/183713/960
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | March 7, 2008 10:08 AM
pogo...
Okay, before I get in trouble at work I'll try to answer.
As I understand they were suppose to give something to the Credentials Committee about seating the delegates and the Committee would determine if they were to be seated or not.
This would be at the done at the convention as I understood it.
If anyone is more familar with the rules of the Credentials Committee please enlighten all of us.
Got to really go know.
Catch you all later today or this evening.
Take care and ...
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 10:15 AM
AP, you won't catch me this evening - basketball tourney, Round 2, ya know. So basically, you don't know what he meant and are speculating about him thinking about the Credentials Committee stuff you mentioned - he certainly said nothing about it. As I recall, that was backfill that was mentioned after the primary and after Dean said no dice to a Rules change. Whatever.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 10:20 AM
renee, if you take a break from the hot tub.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/us/07roofs.html?hp
Note the mention of Campton, gateway to Waterville Valley, the two towns I lived in while I was there.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 10:31 AM
Correction
I forgot to add .com here is correct address
www.thepetitionsite.com/65/petition-for-howard-dean-to-resign.com
This works
Posted by: young 73 | March 7, 2008 10:36 AM
Daylight-saving not good for cows
Jonathan Curiel, Chronicle Staff Writer
Friday, March 7, 2008
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/07/MN8OVEV9P.DTL
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | March 7, 2008 10:43 AM
remember voters in mich were urged to vote uncommitted if they were for obama...because MR judgement took his name off the ballot
Posted by: zumper | March 7, 2008 10:44 AM
results clinton 55% ..uncommitted (obama)40%
Posted by: zumper | March 7, 2008 10:46 AM
http://iafrica.com/news/worldnews/200495.htm
""We f***d up in Ohio," Power told the Scottish daily, referring to the Illinois senator's loss to the former first lady in the midwestern state in Tuesday's primary."
A key foreign policy advisor to Barack Obama - Powers
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 11:01 AM
Morning peeps,
So now HillCo is whining cause someone called Hillary a monster, lame.
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC
| March 7, 2008 11:08 AM
KGC
As an old farm boy, I can tell you cows have their own clock and they are very resistant to change. So mostly they are indifferent to daylight savings time. The wise dairy farmer is too, if he wants to keep the milk flowing.
Unhappy cows are stressed cows and stressed cows don't produce milk.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | March 7, 2008 11:12 AM
kc, I always though farmers did their work on the schedules of the seasons and animals they had, rather than make the crops and animals adhere to the clock and calendar. I have to admit, I don't know much about farming other than it's something I never wanted to do.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 11:19 AM
Pogo...
I did go hot tubbin yesterday..... I couldn't resist my bathing suit calling to me.....
Rick's ski buddies from work came up yesterday and skiied with him..... he says he has no ski legs left.... so we are going shopping at LaHouts today....
read the NYT piece..... I've never seen this much snow up here....
when we passed the "Entering Campton" sign on our way up here, I told Rick.... "we are in Pogo country"....
Lardass..... my changed moniker is because I'm on a different computer.... it's only for this week.... I'll be back to RebelliousRenee tomorrow afternoon.....
besides.... it's hard to be rebellious with all the hot tubbin',,,,,
Posted by: hot tubbin' Renee | March 7, 2008 11:22 AM
re:3:00 am phone call Obama supporter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TumIz2bajus
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 11:22 AM
And the obama folks are refusing to admit that the reality and the perception of the campaign are two entirely different things., delusional.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 11:22 AM
Pogo....
thanks for the NYT piece.... I've never seen so much snow up here.....
I did decide to go hot tubbin yesterday..... couldn't resist the call of my bathing suit.....
Rick's ski buddies from work were here yesterday and they skiied their butts off...... Rick says he has no ski legs left..... we will go shopping at LaHouts today....
Lardass..... my moniker change is because I'm on a different computer..... it's only for this week....
I'll be back to RebelliousRenee tomorrow afternoon...
besides.... it's hard to be rebellious when all that hot tubbin' makes one so mellow......
Posted by: hot tubbin' Renee | March 7, 2008 11:28 AM
Hi to all,
I have one personal reflection.
All candidates have their tropes. All have their tripe.
Over the last two months it has seemed to me that Obama's building a case on his judgment -- a case based on an opinion a lot of us shared over the Iraq vote -- may be turning as odd and disenchanting as Rudy's building a case on 9/11.
To run on a vote a person didn't make (because that person was not yet elected to make that vote) and, if I am right, a vote he has said he is not sure he would have not made if he were in office then...
Well, that's kind of like Rudy's fugue.
Experience as a premise involves the opportunity for mistakes and learning from them.
I am not seeing a lot of learning from a sudden late winter crop of political misjudgments in the Obama camp.
The ground operation has been excellent. But the judgments and the adjustments are straining both credibility and credulity.
Judgment again is a funny thing to run on. Particularly when there is something which anyone could see would be at minimum a big fat peccable political liability coming to trial during the campaign.
Again... Rudy-like.
Who knows? Observations are not....
Well, they're not judgments. But they certainly help form them with some alertness and wisdom
Posted by: 9/11 survivor (sort of)
| March 7, 2008 11:38 AM
This is part one of two...It is a bit long - but worth listening to if you want to hear more from Powers regarding BHO promises vs. his own planned reality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2ziykixN-M
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 11:38 AM
renee,
If it's still there,there is a little grocery store - next to the post office as I recall, that has the best homemade donuts in that area. You go to the main intersection - you can't miss it, there's only one (49 & 175) - and turn left onto 175. The store is about a block up on the left. That was my every Sunday morning outing with the dog - I'd have 2 and give her one. And if it'sstill there, there's a 2 story store/apartment at the intersection (NW corner) that had a wonderful bakery in it. And there is a great Ski Shop in the Campton Shoppong Center, just off the 93 exit - Ski Fanatics - an old friend - Don Englehart - used to own it - I figure he still does. Stop in and tell him I said hello.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 11:40 AM
Well , I didn't vote the first time in Michigan. If thewy wanna do it over , I'll be sure to vote this time. I'll help somebody win Michigan. Even if I didn't do it the first time.
Posted by: Corey
| March 7, 2008 11:43 AM
I mean , if they do Michigan over , I'll be voting for Hillary.
Posted by: Corey
| March 7, 2008 11:45 AM
All whining is lame , Brian. Doesn't matter who does it.
Posted by: Corey
| March 7, 2008 11:47 AM
renee,
Sorry if this is duplicate - it ain't showing up.
If it's still there,there is a little grocery store - next to the post office as I recall, that has the best homemade donuts in that area. You go to the main intersection - you can't miss it, there's only one (49 & 175) - and turn left onto 175. The store is about a block up on the left. That was my every Sunday morning outing with the dog - I'd have 2 and give her one. And if it'sstill there, there's a 2 story store/apartment at the intersection (NW corner) that had a wonderful bakery in it. And there is a great Ski Shop in the Campton Shoppong Center, just off the 93 exit - Ski Fanatics - an old friend - Don Englehart - used to own it - I figure he still does. Stop in and tell him I said hello.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 11:51 AM
testing, testing, 1,2,3
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 11:53 AM
Powers just left the Obama campaign. It was only right. The hateful and nasty things she said should never have been said , to no one..
Personal slander should have not place in campaign.
Political squabbles, are never going to stop.
But Powers was personal and nasty all the way. She should have been made to stand up on Tv and apoligize to Hillary personally, not just writing..
He should have gotten rid of goolsbey also, but he won't.
Posted by: young 73 | March 7, 2008 11:57 AM
Obamas Monster quote lady has resigned Obama's campaign
Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.
Yo soy Horsedooty!
Posted by: Hussein Horsedooty! | March 7, 2008 11:58 AM
Obamas Monster quote lady has resigned Obama's campaign
Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.
Yo soy Horsedooty!
Posted by: Hussein Horsedooty! | March 7, 2008 11:58 AM
the Obama lady with the monster quote has resigned
Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.
Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!
Posted by: Hussein Horsedooty! | March 7, 2008 12:00 PM
Samantha Powers has resigned, shame someone has to lose their job for telling the truth.
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC
| March 7, 2008 12:01 PM
won't let me post
Posted by: Hussein Horsedooty! | March 7, 2008 12:01 PM
stuck?
Posted by: Hussein Horsedooty! | March 7, 2008 12:03 PM
testing
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC
| March 7, 2008 12:06 PM
this working now?
Posted by: Hussein Horsedooty! | March 7, 2008 12:09 PM
NOTE: CQ tech on the case with our site problems
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| March 7, 2008 12:17 PM
Craig,
Great clip.
We all know that HRC has an ego that won’t accept the VP position. Her words and body language also say that. Besides, I believe Obama can win more people (the ones who have voted for the first time in history and the Independents and Republicans he is gathering) with a better candidate running with him like Webb in Virginia who does have the military experience to go up against McLame’s future argument. Obama is STILL ahead in delegates and she will probably not get that many more even with PA.
Obama people are not ... delusional. They are realists in a sense that we know this country needs real change from the old politics and the Clintons are right in the center of those old politics. She is the one that says they know how politics work. It is so comforting to know that within their campaign they are all Mother F’g each other with every word and screaming and yelling at each other. When you have cut throats working with you to win at all costs, that’s what happens.
Regarding the murder of the little dog, it seems they have the person. Let’s hope they don’t have the wrong guy, but from all accounts, and there are many, this guy would seem to be that person. This story is out there probably more than Obama/Clinton stories. There is such an uproar about it. I learned in my research that Hitler made all his people take a puppy and keep it with them until the puppy was one year old so they would become close to it. At that time, after they had grown fond of it, they had to murder it with their bare hands. Now we know one way monsters are born.
http://federalism.typepad.com/crime_federalism/2008/03/david-motari-ab.html?cid=105732238
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/04/puppy.marine/index.html
Posted by: Karolenna | March 7, 2008 12:27 PM
Craig,
Great clip.
We all know that HRC has an ego that won’t accept the VP position. Her words and body language also say that. Besides, I believe Obama can win more people (the ones who have voted for the first time in history and the Independents and Republicans he is gathering) with a better candidate running with him like Webb in Virginia who does have the military experience to go up against McLame’s future argument. Obama is STILL ahead in delegates and she will probably not get that many more even with PA.
Obama people are not ... delusional. They are realists in a sense that we know this country needs real change from the old politics and the Clintons are right in the center of those old politics. She is the one that says they know how politics work. It is so comforting to know that within their campaign they are all Mother F’g each other with every word and screaming and yelling at each other. When you have cut throats working with you to win at all costs, that’s what happens.
Regarding the murder of the little dog, it seems they have the person. Let’s hope they don’t have the wrong guy, but from all accounts, and there are many, this guy would seem to be that person. This story is out there probably more than Obama/Clinton stories. There is such an uproar about it. I learned in my research that Hitler made all his people take a puppy and keep it with them until the puppy was one year old so they would become close to it. At that time, after they had grown fond of it, they had to murder it with their bare hands. Now we know one way monsters are born.
http://federalism.typepad.com/crime_federalism/2008/03/david-motari-ab.html?cid=105732238
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/04/puppy.marine/index.html
Just as yesterday, I know this post will probably show up two times. I've waited for several minutes and it is not there so here we go again....
Posted by: Karolenna | March 7, 2008 12:30 PM
testy
Posted by: Hussein Horsedooty! | March 7, 2008 12:31 PM
TECH UPDATE: CQ is working on comment glitch
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| March 7, 2008 12:49 PM
It looks like the Monster comment has really worked out well for Obama's advisor. Not too many presidential campaigns hiring right now.
Posted by: Bowmanc | March 7, 2008 12:52 PM
AP wrote: "Yeah, right. Blame Kerry for the Nazi Republicans changing the date of the Primary."
Actually, AP, that's not what I'm blaming Kerry for - that is Dean's fault. Yes...the Republicans moved the primary in FL but it was Dean and those yahoos on the DNC committee that pounded their feet and said...if you do this your votes don't count. The Republican Legislator laughed and said...OK
What I'm blaming Kerry for is his persistence in wanting to circumvent the nomination process. He is just one of many that are saying this should all end for the so called "good of the party" but I can assure you...he's the ring leader.
Plenty of blame to go around AP. The Republicans are bad dudes...not doubt about it - but the Democrats continually shoot themselves and trip over their feet. They look like amateurs...perhaps that's why it's time for a woman to lead the party.
Posted by: Hill Yeah Wendy! | March 7, 2008 12:54 PM
And BTW AP - they were all allowed to "fund raise" in FL and Obama and Edwards both held fund raisers in the state as well.
Obama is the only one that ran ads
Who broke the rules AP?
Let's get over the rules...this is politics...
Let's talk about how the Democrats win in November -
FL is so close to going blue and yet the DNC wanted to puff out their chest and pound it with their fists while the Republican Gov. and Leg. laughed at them. They need to figure out how NOT to disenfranchise FL voters.
And AP - I agreed with your plan so why you yellin' at me.
Posted by: Hill Yeah Wendy! | March 7, 2008 12:58 PM
Samantha Powers (when she isn't dropping the f-bomb and calling names)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2ziykixN-M
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 12:59 PM
Pogo wrote: "Hillary doesn't stand much chance in MS - it is a very poor, conservative, backward state in much of the state"
I agree 100% plus she made that bone head remark that even though she apologized...one can't back out of too easily. That's why she should put a lot of resources into WY and see if she can pull an upset (unlikely I know) and at least split the news cycle with him.
Posted by: Hill Yeah Wendy! | March 7, 2008 1:01 PM
Here's a snap shot of MS
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/vote2008/state.php?state=MS
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 1:04 PM
Obama Says He Won Michigan
http://youtube.com/watch?v=R5Gqm8sZ6vg&feature=related
Posted by: GORDO | March 7, 2008 1:05 PM
Just testing to see if the machine is still eating posts...
Posted by: Julia
| March 7, 2008 1:07 PM
The Clintons say PA is like Ohio and they expect to win there. James Carville has made the comment many times that PA is much different than other states in that it is like three separate states (not his exact quote).
Enthusiasm Tilts Toward Obama in Pa.
STROUDSBURG, Pa. (AP) - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton starts her campaign in Pennsylvania as the favorite to win the April 22 primary.
“But in random interviews last week with dozens of voters in swing districts across the state, much of the Democratic voter enthusiasm seemed to tilt toward rival Barack Obama, not only because he is a fresh face, but because they believe he has the best shot at beating Republican nominee-in-waiting John McCain, whom they call old and out-of-touch.”
“Kate Clark, 53, a cafe owner in Nazareth, a small town near Allentown, said she struggled with her choice. Tempted to vote for Clinton because of her gender, she said Obama's energy and vision ultimately won out. I think we need to see the United States and see the world through eyes that are younger, through eyes that have dreams, through eyes that see something new for the nation," Clark said.”
Kate, exactly my opinion. Gone with the old. In with the new. I like rolling the dice when there is a good chance for change!
http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=213&sid=1359645
Posted by: Karolenna | March 7, 2008 1:09 PM
Brian wrote: "So now HillCo is whining cause someone called Hillary a monster, lame.So now HillCo is whining cause someone called Hillary a monster, lame."
Not so lame when you consider that she ended up resigning and from what I'm reading...she was a key adviser...not just some campaign worker - bad for the news cycle today for poor ole O'
[she snickers]
Posted by: Hill Yeah Wendy! | March 7, 2008 1:19 PM
CQ Tech Dept tweaked and seems to have fixed our comment posting probs. As always, report any problems to cqtrailmix@verizon.net
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| March 7, 2008 1:21 PM
Brian
You were screaming for my resignation.
What a hypocrite.
Posted by: Bill Shaheen | March 7, 2008 1:24 PM
Sorry just feel people shouldn't be fired for telling the truth.
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC
| March 7, 2008 1:30 PM
Coulter back on MSNBC -- it's funny" to refer to Obama's middle name
"Summary: In an appearance on MSNBC, right-wing pundit Ann Coulter again referred to Sen. Barack Obama as "B. Hussein Obama." When asked by host Amy Robach, "Why don't you like to say "Barack Obama"? Coulter replied, "Because I think it's funny. I mean, it wouldn't be -- this hysteria from the Democrats about how you can't call him by his middle name. ... Of course there's a reason we call him that."
http://mediamatters.org/items/200803070001?f=h_latest
Posted by: GORDO | March 7, 2008 1:31 PM
Gordo you forget to mention that Coulter is also supporting Hillary.
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC
| March 7, 2008 1:33 PM
"I like rolling the dice when there is a good chance for change!"
LOL
Back in the days when I practiced many youthful indiscretions, I rolled them bones a few times. Ya Knooooow. I never remember coming out on top very many times but I sure as hell lost the rent money more than once.
One of the things I hate about George Bush is that he just loves to stir shit up to see what happens. He even brags about it.
Presidents should be like a banker, cautious, prudent. Thinking things out before you take that step off the cliff is good.
I'm not a revolution for the hell of it type of person
Posted by: whskyjack | March 7, 2008 1:39 PM
All whining is lame , Brian. Doesn't matter who does it.
Posted by: Corey | March 7, 2008 11:47 AM
Good post Corey... I see there was no reply to it.
Hope you are doing well.
Posted by: EuroTom
| March 7, 2008 1:43 PM
Coulter said: "I mean, terrorism does throw things off this year, but if you assume, as I tend to, that this is going to be a Democrat year, the choice is between B. Hussein Obama and Hillary Clinton. And I do think Hillary Clinton would be tougher with the terrorists. I think she'd probably be worse on domestic policy, but right now, the war on terrorism has me more concerned."
http://mediamatters.org/items/200803070001?f=h_latest
Posted by: GORDO | March 7, 2008 1:46 PM
Interesting numbers from Rasmussen on do-overs in MI and FL - could almost point to them and say - instead of a do over - split the vote in MI and leave as is in FL - that is if Rasmussen wasn't one of the most inaccurate polls going right now.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/
Still...something to do with our time till PA
Posted by: Hill Yeah Wendy! | March 7, 2008 1:46 PM
Maybe you could help that truthful Obama advisor get a new job , Brian? Maybe you could help her look for one on Monster Jobs.com? Get it? Monster?
Posted by: Corey
| March 7, 2008 1:57 PM
Clinton within 6 points of Obama in Mississippi
http://www.internetnewsagency.com/news_detail.aspx?sid=172
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | March 7, 2008 1:58 PM
I'm sure she'll have no trouble finding work, Pulitzer winners generally don't have trouble finding work.
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC
| March 7, 2008 1:59 PM
Karolenna, the delusional comment was aimed at hizzoner Brian - whose blinders know no bounds - for his snarky right out of the box comment about whining and lame, and for anyone else who overlooks the hypocrisy in the Obama camp, but bludgeons Clinton for everything anyone in her campaign says. , but only if the shoe fits.
Jack, you might want your president to be a banker type - not a bad idea btw - but you sure don't want this president to be your banker. His track record at managing other people's money is not so great.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 2:02 PM
Whining, tears, and praising the GOP nominee is how Hillary things she'll get back in the White House. Just the facts pogo, if it's troubling to you take it up with campaign.
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC
| March 7, 2008 2:05 PM
Whskjack,
With regard to the “roll the dice” comment, of course you know that was merely a reference to Bill Clinton’s remark about those who vote for Obama. If Obama’s campaign and how it is run financially is any indication, he would most certainly seem to operate like a banker, and is cautious and prudent. We know he is intelligent and has good judgment.
I loved the comment Jay Rockefeller made last Sunday about Obama when Hilliary said he was not even able to vote on the Iraqi resolution and that she had not even read all of it herself before voting for it. Jay said Obama DID read the entire resolution…all of it and he could not even vote for it. That’s prudent, IMO. And, Jay said Obama reads the intelligence reports regularly even though he is not on that committee. A thirst for information would most certainly be a direct opposite than the dummy now occupying the WH.
Posted by: Karolenna | March 7, 2008 2:06 PM
And Obama within 6 points of Clinton nationally.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Pulitzer winners generally don't have a foot in their mouth.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 2:06 PM
Funny thing about "rolling the dice" comments is that it is still flying about the air-ways but no longer is it hurting HRC.
Even BHO supporters use it.
Posted by: march7 | March 7, 2008 2:08 PM
Oft-ignored Wyoming has its moment
"The race is extremely tight. Wyoming is all alone on the weekend Democratic schedule. And though its caucuses will choose only a dozen of the 4,000 Democratic delegates — in a state where the last two Democratic presidential nominees pulled less than 30 percent of the general election vote — Wyoming suddenly finds itself in the national spotlight."
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_8483272
Posted by: GORDO | March 7, 2008 2:09 PM
business as usual.
You should send that experience to the Clinton headquarters. They were asking for anyone knowing of irregularities.
I do not believe he won ALL those caucuses on the up and up. Don't you find it strange he won all those caucuses and she won all the big states? Come on now logically that does not make sense. I think caucus people for Hillary were intimidated, or something to that effect.
I think Fl and Mich will be seated. It is too expensive to redo and Obama and Hillary were equal there no one campaigned in Fl. As for Mich. he took his name off.. No one forced him to do that.
Posted by: Carol
| March 7, 2008 2:12 PM
business as usual.
You should send that experience to the Clinton headquarters. They were asking for anyone knowing of irregularities.
I do not believe he won ALL those caucuses on the up and up. Don't you find it strange he won all those caucuses and she won all the big states? Come on now logically that does not make sense. I think caucus people for Hillary were intimidated, or something to that effect.
I think Fl and Mich will be seated. It is too expensive to redo and Obama and Hillary were equal there no one campaigned in Fl. As for Mich. he took his name off.. No one forced him to do that.
Posted by: Carol
| March 7, 2008 2:12 PM
PS, Obama stroke out and Hillary made a home run. So no one is on first. haha
Posted by: Carol
| March 7, 2008 2:14 PM
For all...
I found that when I make a comment and hit submit it does not show up when the page refreshes, however if I rerefresh the comment shows up.
Just submit your comment and after the page reloads refresh the page and your comment will appear.
Try that.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 2:20 PM
Hill Yeah Wendy!...
Sorry, I misunderstood your comment.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 2:22 PM
"Obama stroke out and Hillary made a home run"
Odd choice of words there.
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC
| March 7, 2008 2:23 PM
Hill Yeah Wendy! ...
So when does Hillary dump Mark Penn?
He needs to go as well.
God Bless.
Got to go back to work now.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 2:25 PM
AP has found the key now that cq has gotten the site working again.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 2:27 PM
pogo...
I still have to do that after I leave a comment.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 2:32 PM
Gordo, I wouldn't (am not) getting too excited about Wyoming - it's just the sort of state that Obama has had big victories in over the last month. Staying close in MS & WY wil be about as good as Hillary can expect to get in those states. There has a been a swing nationally, but those states are deeply red, and Hillary hasn't done well in republican states, with or without large black voting populations.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 2:34 PM
Hello to all,
I have been reading this blog for the past few weeks but have never posted. I became aware of this site after I emailed Craig C. mentioning how turned off my wife and I were by the MSM. and he responded by saying that he hoped things would get better (maybe). I now only watch MoJo if Buchanan is a guest and today comments were made that summed up my feelings.
My wife and I are ardent Hillary supporters and have found the media bias to be truly troubling to our democratic process and people like Russert, Mathews, Mika & Joe and this blogs BRIAN NYC have all made the case for my road to Damascus conversion. I have never voted for a Republican but on MoJo Mathews said that he foresaw the great prospect that many voters who back Hillary would turn to McCain if Hillary were not the nominee. That is a great possibility of two in this household.
So now HillCo is whining cause someone called Hillary a monster, lame.
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC Author Profile Page | March 7, 2008 11:08 AM
Finally, as a former long term resident of NYC I must state that in the vernacular of NYC that I think Brain NYC is a complete "schm-ck". If "monster" works for Brian NYC; that he slams Hillco for his advisor's diatribe this only adds to the resentment I feel which is the essence of Mathews comment this morning.
Steven former nyc
Posted by: Steven former nyc | March 7, 2008 2:34 PM
AP, yep, me, too., but only if I want to see my own words again.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 2:35 PM
And steven proves my point, Clintonista are a whiny lot!
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC
| March 7, 2008 2:37 PM
Steven, pull up a chair, make yourself at home, and don't be a stranger. Stick around and I'll try to talk you out of voting for McCain, no matter the outcome of teh dem primary season.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 2:39 PM
And Brian nyc proves my point that he is a great recruiter for McCain!
pogo
I welcome that.
Posted by: Steven former nyc | March 7, 2008 2:43 PM
AP has called for Penn's head twice today - I have previously, but I suspect for very different reasons. Just curious, and I know AP went back to work, but has Penn said something unfairly critical of Obama's character that would warrant his dismissal? May be, but if so I've not seen it.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 2:47 PM
Well comparing Obama to Ken Starr is just one example pogo. But the Clintons have a fondness for sleazy fat guys, her brothers and Dick Morris come to mind.
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC
| March 7, 2008 2:49 PM
pogo...
I'm getting ready to leave work and checked it to see what the new comments were.
It helps me remember the time so I don't re read already read comments.
You wonder about Penn.
Try the Drug innuendos he brought up a couple of times. You remember, after he brought it up we started seeing the "how many times did he do drugs, did he sell drugs and many more other things which at my age I'd have to dig deep in my mind to remember.
I believe that there was also a couple other things, but they slip my tin foil hat mind at present.
Anyway I'm shutting down my machine and heading home.
Catch you later.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 7, 2008 2:57 PM
Steven, I have two words for you - Supreme Court. And I have three words for you - three likely vacancies. I don't need any other reason, all other things equal, to vote Dem in Nov. I've watched Dumya savage the constitution, and a swing of 3 more conservative justices would IMHO likely set up a perfect storm for the erosion of most of the constitutional rights that have been articulated from the Warren Court to today. I don't buy the threat of terror BS as a justification for Iraq, the Patriot Act, the extension of FISA, electronically eavesdropping on US telephone calls, TSA making me take my shoes off, take my laptop out, carry miniature toiletries and give up the duty free booze I could have bought in the airport to get to a plane or any other of the utter nonsense that has been visited on us in the past 7 years. Plus, I really don't want the government letting the states tell doctors how to treat pregnant women. And constitutional concerns aside, with the wimpy leadership provided by Reid and Pelosi, a McCain presidency will get its way on economic and domestic issues that are very real to everyone, and the country will be a worse mess than it is now by the time he's done with it. I could go on, but will spare you for now.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 3:01 PM
Brian thank you for finally comparing Ken Starr to a monster...and the reason BHO had to fire Ms. Power is a few days ago BHO was bragging that he was running a well managed campaign and that he should be President because he has such a great campaign staff and that equals a great President. Well, GWB had one hell of a campaign staff in Rove and company and how do we rate his Presidency? BHO is getting that much need exposure we have been waiting for and it seems he is just like the rest...not really a different kind of candidate!
Posted by: Blonde wino
| March 7, 2008 3:03 PM
wino your double standard is showing.
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC
| March 7, 2008 3:07 PM
Steven former nyc
Welcome. It's a little testy around here at present, but should return to its more pleasant discussion phase once we get past the convention.
Posted by: jamie | March 7, 2008 3:14 PM
NEWSFLASH!!!
(And, this is on the record)
Hilliary Rodham Clinton IS a monster.
Isn't it funny how she is still trying to keep this in the news and Obama dismissed the person just after the "off the record" remark was made. How long did it take HRC to rid her campaign of the monster who kept using the cocaine word on the airways?
Three complete days!
She is a monster.
And for those who like to ha, ha, ha.
Here's to you. Ha, Ha, Ha, even though it is childish!!!
Posted by: Karolenna | March 7, 2008 3:14 PM
Hey Brian...not double standard, same standard. They are all politicians. BHO is the same as the rest.
Now for my light bulb jokes, how many Brians does it take to screw in a light bulb? Just one, he holds it while he wait for the world to revolve around him.
How many Hillarys does it take to screw in a light bulb, it take a village.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| March 7, 2008 3:15 PM
Well I'm going to take a nap, maybe another Obama supporter will turn up for you all to attack, though don't hold your breath, most have abandoned this blog in disgust, hey who can blame em.
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC
| March 7, 2008 3:15 PM
"Well I'm going to take a nap, maybe another Obama supporter will turn up for you all to attack, though don't hold your breath, most have abandoned this blog in disgust, hey who can blame em."
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC | March 7, 2008 3:15 PM
LOL
Now that was a premium whine.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | March 7, 2008 3:20 PM
Brian...I think Karolenna can pinch hit while you nap.
: )
Posted by: Blonde wino
| March 7, 2008 3:20 PM
OK, I've tried to find the quote from Penn - I do recall him saying something like acting like Ken Starr won't win him the presidency - describing campaign tactics and comparing them to the relentless pursuit of all things Clinton and referencing drug use as described by the candidate (although I do agree that the suggestions of him possibly selling drugs was completely out of line and in no way supported by the reference to MJ and blow in his book and would be appropriate grounds to get rid of the person making those suggestons) is not the same IMHO as calling the opposing candidate a monster (although in this case and with Ken Starr the distinction is admittedly a fine one). I really would like to re-read the quote if anyone can find it and link it.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 3:23 PM
"Brian...I think Karolenna can pinch hit while you nap."
Hey, no napping. I'm working between posts...at home, BTW, so no need to get your panties in a wad.
Posted by: Karolenna | March 7, 2008 3:23 PM
karolenna, I suggest you read the article that the paper that published Power's comment published. The remark was in the context of an interview during her book tour, and was on the record.
Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 7, 2008 3:27 PM
"I think Karolenna can pinch hit while you nap"
No, Brian provokes in 3 words, where Karolenna takes 100 ;-)
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | March 7, 2008 3:27 PM
Well, I am getting ready to order those nose mittens for August (hey, it can get cold in the Rocky Mts. that time of the year)...
Maybe a group discount because I smell a "dream team" a coming...
http://www.originaludderbalm.com/gear/nosewarmers.php
Posted by: Blonde wino