Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

black like me:

Here is the article I wanted you to see.

http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=529&Itemid=1

barack room ballads............

Good morning all.

A big deal was made about Michele Obama's proud to be an American comment. So let me say I fully agree with her.

I'm no longer proud to be an American and you want to know why?

Because we spy on our own people. We kidnap people and send them to foreign countries to be tortured even if there innocent. We invaded a sovereign country for its resources and destroyed its infrastructure.

We used WMD's against the Iraqi people, our allies and our own troops. We gave mercenaries the right to kill women and children including male civilians even though they did nothing to warrant it.

And there are many others too numerous to mention I'm sure. We have also spread hatred of Hispanics, Muslims and all others who's not pure lily White.

So yes, I not proud to be an American and it looks like I won't be for a very long time to come. They say you get the Government you deserve and if that's still true then prepare for a President McCain in the fall.

Now go ahead and bash me all you want.

God Bless.

Anon.....but Michelle said she IS now proud to be an american.......she's proud now after all the ills you listed?
something's not squaring up there......

Obama’s Pastor: “God Damn America”

"An ABC News review of dozens of Rev. Wright’s sermons, offered for sale by the church, found repeated denunciations of the U.S. based on what he described as his reading of the Gospels and the treatment of black Americans.

Rev. Wright, who declined to be interviewed by ABC News, is considered one of the country’s 10 most influential black pastors, according to members of the Obama campaign."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/13/obamas-pastor-god-damn-america/#more-1796

AP, she said she was proud for the first time in her adult life, a considerable span of time during which there was a lot of positive history for all Americans.

Nobody is proud of our country all the time--not those on the left, center, or right.

Peace

This may be appropriate for this blog.

Notice:

This blog does requires no physical fitness program.

Everyone gets enough exercise jumping to conclusions, flying off the handle, running down the boss, knifing friends in the back, dodging responsibility and pushing their luck.

Courtesy of one of my reporting people at work.

The Newsmax piece made it to the op-ed page of the Journal:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120545277093135111.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

I love the title of AP's article about Governor-to-be Paterson:

"Paterson's ascension inspires disabled"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080314/ap_on_re_us/ny_governor

I think he offers hope for a lot of us, not just New Yorkers.

Craig..... my fellow hot tubber....
that is not good news about Florida....

hot tubbin' in sunny Florida is very nice.....

but for a real great experience...... try doing it in the mountains somewhere up north during winter when it's snowing..... it's invigorating!

although..... I do envy you all that sunshine and grass right now...... :0)

"Now go ahead and bash me all you want."

Spare me the theatrics, Anon.

RR, I wonder if he's at his parents' house. If so, I hope they have a long list of chores for him now that his ankle is better; no more freeloading!

"Everyone gets enough exercise jumping to conclusions, flying off the handle, running down the boss, knifing friends in the back, dodging responsibility and pushing their luck. "

ROFL, Bow!

sturgeone...

Yes she did. I believe she said for the first time and that was because she saw a chance to return America back to the great country we once were before Der Fuhrer Adolph Bush came into power with the rest of the Republican Fascist Nazi's.

A change from Racial and Gender Politics to a all inclusive Nation were everyone is equal.

God Bless.

anon & any other ingrates - Would you rather live in a more oppressive place like China or Cuba? Perhaps Somalia or Iran are more to your liking, no? Can you at least be grateful to live in a country where you can spew your ingratitude in public?

I am proud to be an American, although I'm not so proud of some of the choices that have been made. Love the sinner, hate the sin.

ps - Ta-ta Fluffy, welcome aboad David Gregory. (Is Tucker getting a new show somewhere else?)

Clinton Opens Her Home to Woo Unaligned Lawmakers

"Having mastered the art of town-hall meetings on the campaign trail, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is now holding them in a more comfortable setting: her living room.

On Wednesday night, the Democratic presidential candidate held a private reception for several dozen members of Congress at her house on Whitehaven Street in Kalorama.

But the real mission of the evening was to court lawmakers -- who are also superdelegates in the party's nominating process -- especially those from some of the biggest states.

Clinton replied that superdelegates exist for a reason and should use their own judgment about which candidate would be best in the general election."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/13/AR2008031303648.hl

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Keep those eardrums away from the jets.

blueINdallas...

I did not say that I wasn't proud to be an American. I said I was no longer proud to be an American. Because that's not what Americans are. Or should I say that's not what this country was built on.

The principles our country was based on are not what we are living under for a long, long time. That America died a long time ago and I definitely am not proud to be associated with that America. Maybe you are.

And if everyone believes its alright for our country to do all the above things I wrote than your no better then those committing those crimes.

You can be as proud as you want of being an American, however under what our country has become I am not.

God Bless.

"The principles our country was based on are not what we are living under for a long, long time. That America died a long time ago and I definitely am not proud to be associated with that America. Maybe you are. "

Well, anon.....have you actually done anything helpful? Or just spread conspiracy theories and bitch?

So now Mika is on air trying to suggest that the Rev. Wright's comments being public is Hillary's fault. Bull. Even MoJo says it's out now because he's close to having the nomination.

What I want to know, is why anon and others haven't mentioned the fact that from the pulpit this guy called Natalie Holloway a "slut"?

Where do I begin? We New Yorkers have spent all week using humor to try to recover from our Governor's lapses in judgment, and now on C-List, I read something that may infer that Craig Crawford has such low scruples that he'd share a hot tub with a Red Sox fan.

Or Renee, did I read too much into your 7:34AM post?

Heading for work. I'll check in later. I'm going to start looking for a loose, or visually impaired Sox fan to celebrate St. Patrick's Day in some warm water this weekend.

Oh well, now MoJo says he guesses Hillary's campaign found these tapes. Puh-leeze. The campaign didn't need to drag these out.

sorry, but the story aint Hillary.......the story is the preacher man.......

Craig...in a hot tub...ohhhyeahhhh...now, that's what I'm talkin' 'bout!!

LOL @ Mika asking if BHO has to come out and speak against his pastor...

uh...yeah...I think he does...just like HRC had to do with GF.

I don't think a statement from his campaign is gonna do it for BHO.

Oh, great...now Chris Obamatthews is saying he understands where the rev is comin' from....oh Lord!!

Patsi...

It wouldn't matter to you anyway. You continue being proud of what we do, after all its your right under our destroyed Constitution.

God Bless.

I guess I'll be leaving also. That's right Patsi, I'm taking my ball and going home.

Love the hot tub edition. We love ours in the winter too -- especially on really cold nights and when it snows.

What on earth is MoJo wearing today? He's got my nomination for worst dresser on MSNBC.

Mika is particularly snarky today. How is it she defends the preacher man the day after she was dragging poor Geraldine through the coals?

EdVB..... ROFL!

Flatus... yes.... no more freeloading..... he can start by cleaning out the hot tub...

"A change from Racial and Gender Politics to a all inclusive Nation were everyone is equal."
Anon..... I'd love to know what country practices that..... I'd move there with you...
seriously.... the USA has never been that country.... human beings are what they are..... flawed and full of foibles.... including prejudices..... all of us...
the best you can do is to try to live your own life with as much integrity as possible.....
take good care of Ginger..... I just lost one of my babies..... it's hard....

Patsi..... blaming the Wright tapes on Clinton..... you expected something different from MSNBC?.... I stopped watching the channel except when Craig is on just before Xmas..... it was a present to myself....

People seem to be jumping off the BHO bandwagon, like rats off a sinking ship...

Renee: did you just lose a pet or loved one? Very sorry to hear that. But welcome back.

I just lost one of my babies.....
--RRenee

Ohhhhhhh...I am so sorry to hear that.. 8(

Is that LardAssLiberal's hot tub?

Did I hear you mention Oprah on Morning Joe yesterday? Hurray!

Good morning Lush:

re your comment: " People seem to be jumping off the BHO bandwagon, like rats off a sinking ship..."

Are they saying that on MoJo? (Clueless there, because I never watch the program.)

What are you referring to? Thanks. (Gorgeous day here in No Virginia.)

Thanks.

IAgirlinDC -- ha, no that's mom'n'dad's tub. Lardass' tub is probably much larger, as you might imagine -- yeah i distinctly remember mentioning Oprah but it was 6:30am, don't remember what i said exactly, hope it was something nice -- Craig

Craig: gotta love your hot tub pundit commentary today.

Especially liked the loooong stop at mailbox interior. I think that might have been a first for video news, and it was oddly soothing.

Craig....that hot tub scene was hilarious....and they didn't treat you like Ed Rendell and put you on after the camel races!

"the day after she was dragging poor Geraldine through the coals? "

No kidding. You'd think Geraldine Farraro WAS David DUke, like that fool Olberman suggested.

re: Obama's Pastor

I can't imagine why anyone would go to a church for 20 years if they did not agree with the teachings.

This is just one clip, there are numerous others.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86ZJYfyCRXc

Flatus wrote: "I think he offers hope for a lot of us, not just New Yorkers."

I'm very excited about Patterson's ascension to the Governorship ... I've been doing some reading about him and he seems like someone who is well respected and has done a lot of good work. He also gets props from both sides of the aisle for being able to bring people together unlike Spitzer. I'm not a New Yorker but will watch with great interest.

Craig....something weird just happened to a post of mine. Without meaning to it appeared that earlier posts might have been included to the thing I responded to....I thought it was erased. but am afraid it might turn out to be one of those miles-long re-posts.

Mika has a relative working on the Obama campaign...she has been sent by the campaign to float this crap...she should be removed from MSNBC till this is all over because she's clearly just an Obamabot programmed to shill for the Obama campaign.

Gotta love this story:

Tehran's police chief out, exposed in brothel

by Mark Silva

New York's got nothing on Tehran.

The day after New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer's announced resignation for involvement in a prostitution ring, comes word that the police chief in Tehran -- yes, Iran -- has resigned following his arrest, naked, in the company of six nude prostitutes in a brothel, overseas wires are reporting.

here's an even-handed Jan. 2007 Chicago Tribune article i found helpful in trying to understand the context of Obama's relationship with Wright: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/custom/religion/chi-070121-relig_wright,1,294740,print.story

Dear Craig:
I watch you often, mostly from MSNBC a.k.a. MSBHO [messiah Barack H. Obama network] Hardball, the now defunct Tucker, Countdown etc and always enjoy your segments that are far too short.

You are one of the few credible journalists I respect and perhaps the only one not in the tank for Sen. Obama's campaign.

What amazes me is the hatred for Senator Clinton that permeates through the media and many liberal democratic websites. Daily she gets castigated from both the left and right wing.

Yesterday the whole entire day on MSNBC was spent castigating Senator. Clinton in relation to silly trivial nonsense of a comment by former Rep. Geraldine Ferraro [whom I deeply respect and admire] for a comment she made that was speciously in a deliberate way portrayed as racist, which angered me and simply not true! The whole day was endless replays of Geraldine’s comment, and Hillary’s apology ad nauseum.

Today I would like to see how the media addresses the verbal messianic Black Separatist views of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright who, in one capacity or another has been associated with Senator Obama’s campaign. Many of his homilies have little to do with Senator Obama’s message of hope, unity and reaching out and being inclusive. Let’s face it; Rev. Wright plays an important role in the Senator’s life. Well over 20 years of his life has been devoted to this Church and Reverend. When we attend Sunday or Saturday services, we listen to our pastors and try to carry out what they preach in their homilies and employ it in our everyday lives. Now having prefaced that, what does it say when a Reverend preaches that HIV was sanctioned by government against African Americans, or that [paraphrasing] that America deserved 911 and calling upon God for the damnation of America. In addition, that Americans were horribly wicked for dropping nuclear bombs upon Japan, maybe the Reverend forgot about Pearl Harbor and the Bataan Death March?

The immediate days ahead will be interesting ones, so far at this posting Senator Obama has not repudiated the Rev. Wrights remarks other than a disclaimer by a campaign aide, I suppose they are weighing the situation. On the one hand, if he repudiates the Reverend, he risks possibly alienating the African American community and being labeled an “Uncle Tom” or if he remains non-committal and refuses to renounce and repudiate the Reverend publically will he lose support among whites that have supported him?

All I can say is that the days ahead will be very interesting. In any event, I do not think there will be a revote in Florida and honestly, I see no logical rational reason that the delegates cannot stay as is since both Hillary and Obama’s names were on the ballot. Michigan however is a different story and who knows how that will play out.

Anyway, Craig, you will have to get back at Mica, Joe, and Willy on “Morning Joe” having a little fun at your expense. Anyway, wink wink I like your video in the “hot tub”

Sincerely,
--Heather

--sorry I had mistakenly posted this comment in the wrong section earlier

Some New Factual Truth About Barack Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfU5MD-9wkw&feature=related

(Obama is unelectable. This video is nothing compared to what would be out in the GE.)

"I can't imagine why anyone would go to a church for 20 years if they did not agree with the teachings"

First you might want to educate yourself and not just go with a typical white middle class "oooooh scary blackman reaction" to some carefully edited news clips.

Did you even bother to look at the other related clips that youtube had about Obama's church? There are several interesting ones there.

Or you might just google "Obama , church" and find the church website.
When you look at the wide variety of ministries to church offers to the community maybe you would get an inkling of why a person with Obama's background would be comfortable in that church.

"by their fruits ye shall know them"

The Reverend Wright may have some beliefs and ideas that may make you uncomfortable but he has built a strong, inclusive, community based church

Jack

Welcome Heather - I for one hope you stick around - we need more like you 'round these parts.

That jovial Uncle...

On MoJo this morning Scarborough was critical of BO's response to Pastor, Rev. J. Wright's "God Damn America" and blaming 9/11 on US policy, while poor Mika's pained expression seemed terminal. BO said of his pastor he is like "everyone's outspoken uncle" reminding me of my own Thanksgiving meals whereby my KKK uncle reveled in his supremacist banter and delighted the children, in similar fashion on any given Sunday at Wright's church.

Milquetoast for BO

Renee,

Glad you enjoyed my spin on your hot tub comment.

I don't know about you, but life is so much better now that I can watch the rebroadcast of a Spring Training game at night, and avoid searching for a lesser evil on cable news.

I hope the Red Sox fans got to see our 59 year-old lead-off hitter strike out yesterday. It took almost 60 years, but Billy Crystal is George Steinbrenner's answer to Eddie Gaedel.

I didn't particularly like the stunt, but I heard Crystal being interviewed from the dugout during the game, and he turned me around a little. Now I'm on the side of-- it provided a little publicity and it did no harm.

welcome aboard Heather, and yes i let Willie use that video fully expecting to get razzed, it was fun

I can't imagine why anyone would go to a church for 20 years if they did not agree with the teachings

Jack -You are welcome to your opinion, I still stand by mine.

btw- my post stated there were several other clips to view.

Craig...loved the hot tub video.

I am glad to see you joined fellow dem Floridians who are in pretty hot water.

make room in your hot tub, Craig....Mika said Joe is on his way to Florida!!!

My male turtle is out of hibernation (as of yesterday afternoon)...I wonder if that means anything for the dems in Florida? Let's move this process along...June 10th will be here before you know it!

EdVB,

That strikeout was a much better sequel to City Slickers than the one with Jon Lovitz.

Plus... better it was Billy than Lindsay or Brit-Brit or Paris or Jessica (who has already shown her amazing capacity to win over sport fans).

Do you ever listen to Ken Levine's baseball broadcasts from LA? His blog's delightful and so is he.

Craig,

Love the hot tub.

Enjoyed your cam spelunking the mailbox.

But I'd have to say once again you came up yet another perfect (and perfectly subversive) visual metaphor for this entire campaign.

Putts. Well, the alternative Yiddish spelling with a Z.

As that is what there seem to be a bunch of everywhere I look or cock an ear.

RR
So sorry about your kitty

Craig
Love this and thanks to your producer for including the easy links

Wright
I could have done without the vulgar insults to President and Mrs. Clinton

And Mike et al are idiots the Rev Wright put out boxed set of his sermons Oh and Mika how's the Bloomberg campaign going?

Will there be boxed sets of video trail mix?

dog....
I lost one of my cats... Ami... she'd been sick from getting hyperthyroidism and had lost a lot of weight.... it affected her kidneys and she passed on right after we got back from vacation.... we sorely miss her....

Lush..... thank you....

EdVB.... missed Billy Crystal's at bat..... haven't started watching the spring training games yet..... I must correct that fact soon.....
and not watching cable news has been a godsend!..... we started watching American Idol this year and we actually are enjoying it....

whskyJack..... glad to see you back....
I love your level headed treating both sides fairly posts....

the silence from obama on the wright issue is deafening..........what judgement ????? tony rezko.....what judgement ??????? william ayers.....what judgement ???????i said from the beginning this guy is a is a con artist.....jst maybe people will wake up in time .....he will never win the GE.....i can see the swiftboaters and 527's from the GOP now .......dem party is in trouble if he is the candidate,,,,,,,sorry but thats reality.......im a dem but i think the party is too far left and it may sink us in the long run

Probably just my slow DSL connection, but watching this video is like watching one of those old Japanese movies with the English dubbed over, where the words don't even remotely match the lip movements. I still say Clinton and Obama should arm wrestle for those delegates.

Renee,

Deeply sorry about any suffering chez vous... among the two or four or more legged.

I am glad that Mr. Crawford has given the blog its best recent line of continuity: hot tubbing. You began it, he picked up the wet torch.

The surge has officially failed. Even Petreaus admits it

http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/petraeus-admits-the-surge-has-failed/#comments

RR

Sorrry about the loss of Ami. I am sure she was lucky to have you and your family through all of her nine lives.

kgc,

Interesting how he joins all who got behind Fallon -- and pushed -- and then announces this in order to get more troops, more time and more war in more places.

I think the man simply wants more pages in more future history books... and knows what is going to be written about him now won't be terrific... and that his only chance for iconization for future generations is to try, try, try again and again and again and again.

Gates showed his true nature once again ain't what was written about him. Wasn't the first time either.

Fallon had the only macro vision at the top -- the vision which seems to be the view of the chain of command from the bottom up until it reaches the sclerotic careerists.

To them everything is smaller than life -- not even a micro view but of one that simply accepts that what is before them doesn't really matter, ever ever ever.

the silence from obama on the wright issue is deafening.

im a dem but i think the party is too far left and it may sink us in the long run
Posted by: tz

sounds right....but almost a lone voice in the wind

"btw- my post stated there were several other clips to view."

But did you watch anything but the hatchet jobs?
the one from Fox, The Hannity hit job, and the really bad one from CBS that took a variety of single lines with no context.

Did you watch the church drill team?
The youth Choir. there are many clips from the youth ministry?
The world awareness day clip?
Did you go to the web site and see people explaining why they like their church?
Did you at least read the link Craig posted?

BTW thanks for the link Craig.

Another warm day, I've got a house to rehab or the wife is going to trade me in for something better
See you all later

Jack

"To them everything is smaller than life -- not even a micro view but of one that simply accepts that what is before them doesn't really matter, ever ever ever."

smaller than life -- priceless.

I will be eagerly awaiting McCain's comments

Thank You!
Craig & Wendy I appreciate both of your welcomes, and yes I plan to stick around I enjoy the site and the people that comment very much!

I was born and raised in NY but I do have a Florida connetion, my grandfather bought a vacant lot many years ago in Miami Beach when it was dirt cheap and built his own house there for the winter months and as a little girl we used to vist there and I loved going to the beach a few blocks away.
Grandpa has since passed away [lived to 107] but we still keep and maintain the house and I visit it occassionaly.

I guess you can draw a line across the middle of Florida southern half can be Pradise Lost the northern half, Paradise won. Craig probably knows by that I mean that for local politics south Florida is perhaps the most politically corrupt in the union.

Maybe one day south Florida can one day catch up with its nothern half and function in governmental sense as well as it's northern half minus the corruption. One can only hope lol

P.S. Whats with all this condo-mainia in South Florida $750,000 condos are popping up like mushrooms.

You can go to Downtown Miami and probably take a pulitzer prize winning photo of a poor homeless person sleeping on the cold unforgiving concrete sidewalk not more 25 yards away from a million dollar condo, its just heartbreaking [welcome to Bush & Cheney's America]

We can and should have a better America we need to always be vigilant and caring for our nation's must vulnerable and poorest. Sen Edwards was right we can no longer be Two Americas!

No President Bush it is not a sin to be poor, rather it is a sin to ignore the poor and the plight of the poor. Each individual has a responisibility to the poor as well as our government, local, state and federal anything less is inhumane.

Once again thank you Craig, Wendy and all for your kind welcome.

Sincerely,
Heather

Yes, I read the link Craig posted. I see nothing wrong with Obama believing in his church, and again I stand by my post.

I do not understand why my post is so offensive to you. The church is whatever it wants to be, and BHO has the right to his choice. If a person belong to a church for 20 years, I would think that person most likely agrees with the majority of teachings. That's all.

Obviously, this post is a problem for you.

Heather..welcome...you bring-up a good reminder about the poor...and where is Edwards these days?

The homeless problem is a continuation of the Reagan years when his programs released many with mental problems from the federal system into the streets...many Vietnam vets were also fed to the concrete at that time...it is a Republican legacy. I remember a comedian from last century doing a routine about hobos vs the homeless. He claimed that when he was young, he would dress-up on Halloween as a hobo and it was cool. It had more a romantic choice about being without a home and riding trains around the country. Today it is the shame of a government who ignores the mental health issues of its populace and the economic issues of its families in trouble.. Back to universal health care. The US sucks in how it ignores this most urgent need.

And the wealthiest segment of the US continued to grow during the Bush years.

The discussion about Obama's church is curious since only his church is being questioned and not all church's.

I am a non practicing Catholic. I decided long ago that I will never ask for penance from a Priest who is probably molesting children or skimming from the collection plate. I can understand why church's are pro life, yet they try to justify war or turn away from condemning the death penalty.

Northern Ireland has had conflict for generations amongst two groups praying to the same God. I would love if someone could explain what they are fighting about.

Muslims in the Middle East have been fighting for generation, taking breaks during the day, to pray to the same God. The main difference I see with the Sunni's and Shia is that they started fighting over who was the successor to Mohammed. So they were fighting over control of the church instead of advancing their God's word.

The ministers endorsing McCain seem extreme. This Pastor Wright seems extreme. Falwell, Robertson, Swaggert, Haggerd...all of them seem extreme to me.

Those who feel offended by Wright's words about "God Damn America" should realize they they are no different than what more "mainstream" pastors were saying in the aftermath of 9/11. Also remember that he is echoing the general world view of the United States.

If you read the news, our currency is proving to be so worthless that even families of illegals are trying to get funds turned to euros as soon as they get them. We have little prestige left on the world stage and it will only continue to get worse.

I can feel the Archie Bunker, "love it or leave it" argument coming. Just think what would happen if everyone that loved the US did leave...

Blonde wino,

I had just that conversation with my daughter about Reagan during the time of his funeral/apostropication. (Mind you, I've got the complete Korngold score for King's Row on my comp -- THAT role deserved an Oscar and a better career more than he deserved GE and the GE-OP.)

Where IS Edwards indeed?

Man, I would be so wiped after a week of campaigning. But how many years did JE put in?

And as someone who lives around treatment weeks... I understand EE and JE and their kids having their time apart from external life.

But... where is the soi-disant fighter?

I don't know how many people here use MSN messenger but if you do, go to this link and join their IM network. MSN will make a contribution to one of the listed charites everytime you send a message using that service.

There are so many good groups to chose from, I will vary on a daily basis. Today is am IM'ing for the Humane Society. Tomorrow it will be the Susan G. Komen Foundation....

http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/Default.aspx

9/11

When BHO decided to embrace Reagan, he lost my vote...and to all, thank God for the separation of church and state! : )

Morning Patsi,

I'm finishing some chores and some java this am, then i'll get back :)

I

Wino,

Say what you will about Reagan, but he believed in a strong dollar. He did way too many things that I will never agree with, but he was a strong leader who was capable of crossing over to work with Tip O'neil. Maybe it was a case of 2 irish guys being able to hash things out over a pint but I'm willing to bet that if Reagan were president these past 8 years, the clusterfuck level would be much lower...

Hell, he presided over the largest tax cut ever...then realized that he needed to raise taxes later and he did. I know Republicans forget the tax hikes, but he was at least willing to do what was necessary to try and fix things, unlike W.

There is hunger.

There is appetite.

There is taste.

All have to be combined for a balanced dynamic, politically or socially or personally.

Hunger and hunger alone leads to pathologies on two legs.

We all know some of those, don't we?

Whether through history, personal experience...

Or postings on this blog.

kgc,

I know the point you're trying to make, but misquoting Petreaus out of context is no more defensible than doing the same to Geraldine Ferraro.

Anyone, who goes to the link, gets your point, but in the interest of keeping our side squeaky-clean, and clarifying your comments for those who may not have followed through to the link, I needed to note that's not exactly what he said and probably not what he meant.

Bear...before I go, the almighty dollar isn't as important as peeps to me. And it was Reagan who brought us the savings and loan debacle of the 1980s...strong dollar??

I really have to work...sorry I can't stay.

"I can feel the Archie Bunker, "love it or leave it" argument coming."

I see those sorts of bumper stickers every so often already, Bear. Usually with a "W" patch on the vehicle....that segment of the population is bigger than we like to think.

I don't know what is worth...

A. The absolute anger that the faction within the blog have for people in the opposite camp, where emotion and childish ranting have replaced any real attempts at reasoned arguments.

B. The thought of everyone having this online conversation in one big hot tub with, with everyone going commando...I already had a stomach ache before this idea popped into my head...I am now going to sprint to the bathroom so I don't puke on my rug.

EdVB
no problem ..

n the interest of accuracy.
the Petreaus quote

"Iraqi leaders have failed to take advantage of a reduction in violence to make adequate progress toward resolving their political differences, Gen. David H. Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, said Thursday."

I report you decide if the surge has failed.
I still eagerly await McCain's response. It kind of blows a big hole in his war position.

Just for additional information
Tony Snow, discussing the purpose of the escalation, said it was to achieve the “important business of political reconciliation“:

Surge is not a term I’ve ever used. But the point is you’re trying to add strength to the forces in Iraq so that they’re going to be successful in taking out sectarian violence and also al Qaeda violence, so that you have the conditions under which people can pursue the important business of political reconciliation and economic development.

Here's the link for the Tony Snow quote

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/01/20070112-4.html

EdVB
You are absolutely right. It is too easy to take the cheap shot when with a little extra time, all the information makes a much better argument.

Nice to see the roses returning to your cheeks, Craig.

These videos are great, please keep on making them!

hmmmm - this is not going to look good in a general election - approved or not:

"The list included $1 million for a hospital where Mr. Obama’s wife works, money for several projects linked to campaign donors and support for more than 200 towns, civic institutions and universities in Illinois."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/14/us/politics/14campaign.html?_r=4&oref=slogin&ref=politics&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin&oref=login&oref=slogin

Patsi,

The funniest thing about bumper stickers...

I have seen about a dozen VW Beetles and all have W stickers on them...even 1 VW van...

I have seen in the last 2 days about 10 large pickups or SUV with NRA or hunting stickers and either Hillary or Obama for President...and these are being driven by good ol' boys too...

"Republicans yesterday forced Sen. Barack Obama to vote against what they labeled his own $1.4 trillion spending plan"

http://washingtontimes.com/article/20080314/NATION/382087024/1028/election

[snickers]

Republicans' "Obama spend-o-rama" amendment epitomized the day.

Sen. Wayne Allard, the Colorado Republican who is retiring after this year, offered the amendment, though as he explained on the floor to Sen. Charles E. Schumer, New York Democrat, "It wasn't my idea."

That came after Mr. Schumer, walking by his desk, was heard in the gallery telling Mr. Allard, "You're such a..." as his voice trailed off and became unintelligible to those in the galleries surrounding the Senate floor.

Mrs. Clinton, eager to make sure her opposition was recorded, voted twice — once from the desks and, in case the clerk didn't notice, she strode into the well of the Senate to be certain.

Near the end of the allotted time, Mr. Obama, who had been in an office just off the Senate floor conferring with a group of senators who back his presidential bid, strode to the floor with those supporters and all of them voted no.

The Illinois senator looked over the chamber and demanded to know who orchestrated the stunt. Spotting Mr. Allard, he yelled to him, "You working this hard?"

"Vote yes," Mr. Allard shot back — though even he didn't vote for the amendment himself, drawing a rebuke from Sen. Barbara Boxer, California Democrat: "Did you vote against your own amendment?"

"I have seen about a dozen VW Beetles and all have W stickers on them...even 1 VW van......"

Hilarious. (or maybe scary)....a few years back my daughter and I were at a Walgreens and followed a couple of women out the door who were....well, seriously inbred would be a kind description of the two. So as it turned out, they'd parked beside me. Their car quite literally was duct taped together, and had at least four Bush/Cheney and W stickers. Lock & Load NRA type stuff, etc.

I couldn't stop myself. As we were getting into our cars, I asked, "How's that Bush vote working out for ya?"

They didn't get it anyway, and my daughter wouldn't go shopping with me for a week.

PS -- what causes some posts to have frames around them?

thank you all for the condolences.....
I started to cry while reading them and my beautiful tortie, Phoenix (who is now the queen of felines in this household), jumped up on my lap and began licking my arm...... pets are so wonderful to have and share life with.....

9/11..... I'm so glad you've come back to grace this blog....

Heather.... welcome to the blog....
and yes.... we need John Edwards to remind us of the 2 Americas..... perhaps he'll resurface once the Dems have picked their nominee.... as I hope that Al Gore will too.... both their voices need to be part of the Democratic party....

Bear..... great post about religions....
I too left the Catholic church years ago..... the thought of kissing some bishop's ring to show my allegiance to the faith brought out my rebellious side big time.....

"Because as far as I can see Obama's the whitest black man around."

Patsi,

You mistake me being sad, with me being shocked. Pogo would say perplexed and that would probably be more correct , but remember I’m just average. :-)

It’s this whole identity politics road we’re traveling as a party

So are we back to the, is he black enough question again?

I believe the latest flurry of news flashes will certainly cure that, albeit, superficially.

I’m not black and you’re right I haven’t hung and I don’t hang with many black people, but I’m not dis-qualified from making a comment about it. I know what a token is and I understand the meaning of Uncle Tom. I don’t picture Barack in either of those roles.

“It means he has made an effort to downplay his race”

As I see it Obama is striving to become POTUS, which requires of him, among many things, the need to present himself as acceptable to all groups. He seems to have had the skills from early on to do a good job of it. As for his blackness, in the beginning he wasn’t Black enough and lately it would appear he’s become too black. I’m not sure what he’s to do now but be himself. Probably too late! That’s too bad in my book. I think I’m beginning to understand the audacity of hope better.

I’m for electing the best person for the job at this juncture in our history. Period . I hopped on the BO horse early, so it wasn’t a choice of lesser evils for me. I won’t bore you with all my rationale. Maybe it’s: “Just because”.
I’m sorry if that’s good enough.

"Because as far as I can see Obama's the whitest black man around."

I just heard David Patterson speak - and I think he "beats" Obama in this assinine contest.

(btw LL - I did not take your advice and am still hungover...).

Imagine if Wright Were Hillary’s Pastor …

"Imagine for a moment Hillary had for two decades embraced a minister and a church that preached racism or hatred for America...

Hillary Clinton not only would not be running for president, she wouldn’t be in the Senate, she probably would not be employable in public life anywhere. The question is after how many such speeches was Mr. Obama’s response to draw the man closer, to elevate him ?

Do you think CNN’s Anderson Cooper, as he did last night about Obama’s pastor, would have asked, “I mean, does it matter?”

Or that Gloria Borger would have replied, “I think, honestly, it depends on how much the Clinton [Obama] campaign decides to make of this..."?

The media are not reporting, clearly, that the Obamas give Wright’s church more than they give to any other charitable group.

The media are ignoring the now-obvious (to anyone with common sense) ties between Michelle’s negative statements about America and the views held by her pastor, who she’s listened to for decades.

She won’t even commit to supporting the Democratic nominee if it’s not her Barack? Astonishing. IMAGINE IF BILL OR CHELSEA CLINTON HAD SAID THIS.]

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/14/imagine-if-wright-were-hillarys-pastor/

afternoon all,

We are in a 10 minute break in a very boring deposition. I feel like I drove 2 hours to sit and watch mud slowly try to ooze uphill.

Anyway, I'm perplexed (lol, Rez) about why we are asking questions about the degree of Obama's blackness - as if there is some standard against which to measure such stuff. He's black for the purposes of this election although he's only genetically half black best we can tell. He may not be running as a black candidate, but he looks black, goes to a church with a zealot black separatist minister, and in many of the stump speeches he's given, he has sounded as much like the black tent evangelists I heard in my college days as they did, even IMHO adopting similar speech patterns and inflection. But folks, it don't matter. I want to know if he's smart enough to understand the issues he'll confront if elected, and wise enough to exercise the judgment I want to see exercised by our CEO, and progressive enough to push a legislative agenda that allows the US economy to thrive while the poor and middle class are allowed to benefit along with the fat cats, and I want to know that he'll get us out of that f*cking debacle in Iraq. Lilly white or black as the ace of spades - I couldn't care less.

Fact is, none of that makes any difference, at least not to me. I do think he needs to clarify his position about the separatist positions of his pastor - although I don't necessarily think he needs to "repudiate" the pastor, although I would feel much more comfortable about his judgment if he distanced himself from those views, and he may have done so - I haven't heard that, but if he has, bully for him.

I agree with Rez's last paragraph in his 1:19 post, only I'm on the other horse, and as Rez says "just because". But I'd like to see both sides discuss the issues - I think they have gotten lost in the press' rush to seize on sexy one liners and play gotcha with the candidates.

Rez....damn near every black I've known -- especially my son's friends -- use a form of this phrase in describing certain people, "He's the whitest black guy I've ever known."

I even heard one of my son's black coaches describe another black coach that way. It's not particularly unusual to hear it.

It's very different from Uncle Tomism, which is subservient. It's usually about successful blacks who identify more with whites.

Patsi,

I know exactly where you're coming from with that. We have little nicks in our community..Apple comes to mind. We don't have very good leadership either. Sometimes I think it's because we're overcritical and downright dumb, jealous, envious etc..i'm NOT saying that's your sentiments. I'll just blame it on the long primary cycle and general frustration with our party.

Today's Happy Thoughts are brought to us by the Good, Good People At Sanity Fair!

(And remember, kids -- the DSM-IV is NOT the Book of Looooove.)

The DSM-IV Diagnostic Criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder are:

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, lack of empathy, as indicated by at least five of the following:

1. a grandiose sense of self-importance

2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

3. believes that he or she is "special" and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

4. requires excessive admiration

5. has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favourable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

6. is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

7. lacks empathy and is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

8. is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her

9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

Posted by: 9/11 survivor (sort of

Sounds like BO's quixotic brilliance and inscrutable infallibility.

Milquetoast for BO

Patsi,

I don't recall if you were here for the days of the Narcifritz...

After around twenty of his poster boy posts, a singalong would appear:

"Ditzy Fritzy, full of sh**tzy, how does your garbage grow?
By leaps and bounds
In heaping mounds
And stinky memes piled in a row."

If anyone here would care to, Patsi has a few pages devoted to her accomplishments as a published writer over at Amazon.

Some people would respect that.

Others would feel provoked like that and look to diminish such a person to elevate themselves in their own pretty eyes.

9/11, I can think of 3 or 4 folks who have been talked about on this blog today to whom that definition applies - and you are not one of them.

pogo,

Well... I'm disappointed.

But I have my ambitions!!!!

Oh Lord, 9/11 -- don't send anybody to any of that crap! Running numbers on the waterfront is more respectable than trying to make a living writing.

9/11, would you mind sending me via e-mail a search term that would direct me to that info about Patsi at Amazon? I'd love to see it.

larry dot chafin at steptoe hyphen johnson dot com

9/11 - please ignore Patsi's plea not to send anyone to any of that crap.

Oh, well.

A friend of mine is performing in Europe with one of opera's great narcissists -- male -- who is engaged to an even more successful narcissist -- who is pregnant with his child (good luck to all).

And their battle for narcissistic supply and damage to others is funnier than either them could be onstage.

But man -- have they both destroyed people.

And they do not care.

In fact... they take unconcealed pride in the collateral damage of their hunger for endless narcissistic supply.

So the friend made a most telling remark about the male of the pair...

"From the number of lives he carelessly damages and destroys..

"He might as well be selling smack, crack and crystal meth."

9/11, oh, and sorry you didn't make the list. You fail miserably on Nos. 2 & 6, among others :-) Better luck next year.

I'm going to respect Patsi's wishes.

But I started reading Patsi's books once she introduced herself as a person around here... back in those days when that was what people not only could do but loved to do.

I spent time as a creative director in another branch of the business where Patsi does her work.

So I'm a little familiar with the range of personalities her work addresses.

And I enjoyed every page of the three books I read.

And, yeah, I ordered them one at a time.

Bear, i guess we'd be safe to assume the 2 men weren't wearing flag pins?

Rats, 9/11 - Patsi, perhaps you'd do me the honor - We seem to see eye to eye on many issues, and I'd love to read your work. My e-mail address is above, and I'm way too lazy to search archives to find your real name.

pogo,

Like Boxer the horse...

"I... MUST... TRY... HARDER!"

Afternoon economic news. I guess the flat inflation report from the government today wasn't enough to ally traders' fears about the economy - the Dow is now down 290 pts today (2.39%) wiping out the "historic" gains of yesterday. It could rise some when the late session trading programs kick in, but this tells me that the market ain't buying the government's assessment of the numbers any more.

Yeah Patsi,

I will even buy a book because I am sure you will offer a personalize copy far quicker than Craig...

pogo,

But are they buying Duhya's statement today about his feeling "envious" of soldiers serving in Afghanistan...

Even characterizing what they are doing there as "IN SOME WAYS ROMANTIC"????

So which movie is playing in the soiled movie theeeyahter of Duhya's mind?

'Awrence of Arabia with Peter O'Toole?

The Shiek with Rudolph Valentino?

Charge of the Light Brigade (either version)?

Or -- my choice -- Gene Wilder in The World's Greatest Lover?

9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

Posted by: 9/11 survivor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07BPFPy6tkE

We report. You decide.

I have black friends. And sometimes, when people see me dance, they think I am one of the blackest white guys they have ever seen.

I am not a good rapper though...such is life!

is that called masterbation?

Jack about to be sick

Can you believe the mayor of Pittsburgh is 28!!

I guess people in PA aren't so into the "experience" argument.

HRC better be prepared to check out if she loses PA.

I can even do "the worm!!"

I do it at almost every wedding I go to. I have a strict policy - I will do it upon request from either the bride or the groom (and I ignore requests from the rest of my jackass friends).

For the uninformed...

The worm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io6zGgZILYc&feature=related

Warren
You made some assumptions that are not fact based.

The Mayor of Pittsurgh has endorsed Clinon
and despite his age has a lot fo experience coming from a political family and first being elected at the age of 23.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Ravenstahl
He ran unopposed for the city council in the November 2003 general election.[5] Ravenstahl assumed his seat on council in January 2004, and in December 2005, was elected City Council President, a role he held until he became mayor. Ravenstahl, per provisions in the city's charter, ascended from the office of City Council President to Mayor on September 1, 2006 following the death of Mayor Bob O'Connor.

I did - but most of my friends are married now.

(i suppose there will be another run of weddings when they get divorced and then re-married - just kidding peeps - I hope it works out for all of them)

Patsi,

I'm actually curious and have no ulterior motive.:)

I was a looking at the BAR site and was trying to figure out just who it is they are supporting. I see they are suspicious of the DLC, so both dems are suspect there. I'm sure JM is out of the picture. So, what do they do? Is it just the agenda they're concerned about and who ever is willing to push it, gets the nod?

Seem to me that , BO, even as phony as they deem him, he would be expected to do better for blacks if he got the job.
I know you'll probably disagree, but I don't see Hill's as someone i would trust.

KGC:

Sounds like the guy was born into a family with a lot of political connections. I am always skeptical of such politicians.

And you are being a complete hypocrite if you think that 28 year-old is "experienced" enough to be mayor - but Obama is not "experienced" enough to be President.

Maybe we should change the law so that 21 year old Superdelegate can be VP. He has been into politics ever since he learned to ride a bike!!

Pogo...
great to see you.... too bad about the boring meeting.....

9/11....
10. almost always involved with some form of addiction: ie, drugs, alcohol, sex, gambling, etc.

Patsi.....
I just looked up your books on Amazon..... wow..... that's quite a list....
think I'll order a few myself....

RR:

I like #10.

Warren
You just try to kick up dust when your own argument is found wanting. Not your first time around that track

Warren when Obama loses

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD5sahXoj0U

Boom!! That's what you get if you want to play hardball Clintonites:

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NzRiNGJmNzA5NTcwZTEwYTI0MjE4OTM5ZDQ2Yzc0ODM

KGC:

Rehab is for quitters!!

Renee,

For over a decade I was friends with a psychiatrist who, decades -- and I mean DECADES -- before had been the first to publish studies that there was no such thing as any single, freestanding addiction.

His first study involved sex and drugs -- no rock and roll -- and alcohol.

It also drew on parental abandonment -- except it departed from the then usual "severed cord" theory that the mother is responsible for narcissism in infancy to include either or both parents in the formula --

And that abandonment -- emotional or physical -- can occur in one stroke or in some serial progression.

Either way the future narcissist is brought to feel they are totally unloved and unloveable and the awful dance begins.

One of the things Larry studied later was both the distinctions between borderline personalities and narcissists... and how drawn these can be to one another in addictive ways.

He emphasized that the borderline personality -- which he felt, rightly or wrongly, was a predominantly female trait -- pursued abandonment from the narcissist -- same deal with that being a predominantly male trait.

Again, that was decades ago. And while a lot of it holds, there is now a great deal more understanding of the near identical status of borderline and narcissistic states.

The distinction is in how they are enacted and where the need for supply feels it must be directed.

The other thing the DSM-IV adds is that narcissism is a form of psychopathology. A few things are, of course; but this is the one held to be the jumping off point for fully psychotic emotions, thoughts and behaviors.

The addictive process doesn't help hinder that.

If only two wrongs did make a right, this would be a useful place for that to occur.

I like ice cream more than pudding. But I should skip dessert anyways - I need to lose some weight...

9/11:

That is some interesting stuff. But I prefer philosophy to psychiatry.

I think psychiatrists are good at pointing out people's issues - and philosopers are good at letting you know we all have issues.

I think we should all work on our problems - but we shouldn't obsess and worry so much about them.

Posted by: warren | March 14, 2008 3:43 PM

Is your name Renee?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/video-trail-mix-hot-tub-editio.html#comment-52260

Conan's take on Spitzer:

He is going to practice law. When asked why he wants to be a lawyer - Spitzer said he like businesses where you charge by the hour and screw your clients.

Hah! (btw, we don't screw our clients - we try to screw the clients of our adversaries)

That's excellent, Warren.

I'm waiting to hear about a project which would let me write about Kierkegaard.

Someone has the rights to the recent Hans Andersen bio (which is first rate). And we've been emailing casually about how to adapt it.

My suggestion has been to make Kierkegaard at least a bit more than a supporting character in it -- given Andersen's brutally jealous obsession with destroying SK's reputation and his life.

I don't know if she and her partner will even want to look in that direction. And while I love reading Andersen's fairy tales (not his plays -- not at all), Kierkegaard's work is so essential that I'd love any chance to show at least some of him to the modern world.

I dunno.

Why are some people abusively mean? That's not why we're all here.

Patsi, what you write sounds way over my head.

I used to write, too. It was tradecraft sort of stuff. I was relatively new at one place and this colonel comes marching up to my desk holding a paper I had just written in one hand and waving a book in the other.

Ohlfahrt, he says, "This is _the_ book we use here, and what you wrote doesn't conform to it. Change it!!"

"Colonel," I said, "Things are different since I wrote that book and this is the way it is now."

He gave me a blank stare, looked closely at the book, and shuffled away.

He never realized NCOs could do definitive work.

Rez -- BAR definitely doesn't support Hillary. They wanted a much more anti-war and anti-corporate candidate than anyone left in the race.

Warren....
relax....
9/11 knows that I have a sister with borderline personality disorder....
and if you think philosophy can help it.... you've obviously never met anyone with that problem..... I'm glad.... it ain't pretty.... and I like you....

that was some episode of Lost....
I'm totally hooked again..... I must buy season #3 and catch up on what I missed....

Flatus....you must be looking at the wrong books. I write about hillbillies.

Patsi--now that sounds more up my alley. Could you share please? flatus at ohlfahrts
dot org

RR:

I am not saying philosophy is a cure-all - and I totally get that psychiatrists can help people (I am not Tom Cruise!!).

But I do think philosophy can often provide people with some perspective...and that always helps.

Can we stop with the whole "I have black friends" game please???

1. Any person of color that speaks in complete, grammatically correct sentences will be considered white. Michael Irvin, the HOF receiver of the Dallas Cowboys has a radio show in DFW now. He says that when he goes home to visit the family in Florida, they ask him why he sounds so white now and if he sold out.

2. I grew up in the suburbs. There were less than a dozen black kids total, in all the schools I attended until college. That's right, as a black Haitian person, I had no black friends because there were none around me to be had.

3. When I went to URI, the black kids you would label AA would sneer at me because I was a suburban prep type kid. I was into classic rock and metal. They thought it abysmal that my white friends new more about rap than I did.

4. To quote Chris Rock, when I am using an ATM machine late at night, I'm looking around, not for the media, but for #@$@# because they are more likely to rob my ass in the area I live.

It's been stated time and again that we need to stop looking at this from a black/brown/white issue and need to look at it from a green/greener issue.

I am going to watch Lost right now - I missed it last night.

Warren....

I'm really into the Transcendentalists....

just bought a book by Richard Grossman where he matches quotes from Emerson with the Tao Te Ching.....
it's entitled: "The Tao of Emerson".....
I highly recommend it....

Bear -- huh? -- just because you have a different "black" experience than the next guy doesn't mean people don't know blacks, Asians, hispanics etc. No different than you saying something about a female friend of yours.

Dear Craig, Renee, Blonde Wino:

Thank you for your kind words and let me add my condolences as well. My daughter and I have five Yorkshire Terriers and what joy they bring to our lives Sparkey is the Patriarch lol or maby Jade just allows him to be *wink* they are as mischevious as they are adorable. Trust me its like canine romper room at my household, the are llike five mini steel grey & tan mini tornadoes, and Sparkey I honstly believe he runs on some sort of hyped rocket fuel or at least when he eats his food it somehow converts to rocket fuel. lol [ i'm sure NASA's curiosity is piqued now]

Sparkey is so people friendly, he just loves people but he contrasts that by being totally anti-social with other dogs he truly lives up to his alpha male status. When I walk him he will bark and intimidate much larger dogs, it totally amazes me. And I am stating the truth when I say he loves and on some level understands what he sees on television, his favorites are NFL Football, anything with animals as he will run to the tv and bark and paw at it as if he is somehow participating in the process. I can tell so many beautiful stories about him.

As for Reagan his political ideology was rather simplistic in the context that his supply side mentality was that people exist for the government rather than vice versa.
Reagan wanted the federal goverment to provide nothing more than policing and a military force, anything else was to be provided by big business in the free market sector. By that I mean that big business would decide your old age pension, big business would make enviormental decisions, big business would decide what we are paid etc .

To me this is contrary to what our Founding Fathers fought and died for. Either Reagan misinterpreted the Constitution or chose to defy it.
John Locke wrote "Life, liberty, and private property" which was changed by Thomas Jefferson to "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," later came "promote the general welfare" and that last phrase is key, inasmuch as to my way of thinking it means goverment has a responsibility to the peoples it governs.

Extremist neocons try brainwash America into smaller government by [don't laugh] incompitent people to run government agencies, this is especially the case with president Bush with Michael DeWayne Brown [a.k.a. Brownie] Brown was the Judges and Stewards Commissioner for the International Arabian Horse Association and this qualified him to head FEMA.

Bush knew exactly what he was doing appoint an incompetent Person to head FEMA ruin the program and say see goverment cannot run it lets priviaize it and allow big business to run it so the CEO's can rape and plunder the program for their own greed.

I can go on and on about Reagan and his policies but I think I made my point.

I have so much to sound off about but I will save it for a later date as for now MSNBC is frustrating me sweet Norah has Karen Tumulty and yes MSNBC found yet another dart to throw at Hillary today this time castigating her because they claim she exaggerated her involvement in the Ireland Peace Negotiations... poor Hillary cannot get no respect, please say she has not become the female "Rodeny Dangerfield" of the Democratic Party grrrrrrrrrrr.

Later tonight I will have to torture myself and watch the Larry Kudlow interview with George Bush the Junior, some one please pass me Billy Crystal's Maalox I think I'll need it before watching that interview, How ironic Bear Stearns causing the dow to drop, wasn't that Kudlow's former employer? *sighs*

Sincerely,
Heather

BHO's man of God.
And you thought you had problems with Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, they were a walk in the park compared to this guy.

When will the talking heads start asking BHO the tough questions about his minister, about Tony Rezko, about William Ayres? They won't because as soon as they do, BHO's camp will immediately toss out the race card. Remember it isn't a race issue until someone challenges BHO, and it isn't about race unless they want to inform everyone this is a historic election because a Afro-American may be elected POTUS. Then it is OK to bring race into the conversation because then it is seen as favorable.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120545277093135111.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

The New Yorker just arrived. Has a fun cover!
https://subscribe.condenet.com/images_covers/cover_newyorker_190.jpg

"Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy. I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue."

Barack H. Obama, Jr.
March 14, 2008

Heather,

Reagan .... simplistic supply side mentality ..... people exist for the government .

I got into the second sentence before I was certain Reagan wasn't the name of one of your Yorkshires. I just imagined he thought himself the government, and you and your daughter were there to serve him. You didn't mention a trickle down theory, but I could have made that fit too.

I hope you'll understand and forgive my confusion.

Sorry, here's the link,

On My Faith and My Church
Posted March 14, 2008 | 04:28 PM (EST)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html

Dick Morris advising O Reilly on how to miximize the
Rev Wright controversy

Morris: McCain "doesn't have to" engage in Willie Horton-like campaign because O'Reilly is already doing so
http://mediamatters.org/items/200803140006

Wasn't Morris out campaigning for Obama last week.?

I just had to comment on Sen. Barack Obama's repudiation. He is trying to be too clever by half. I'm sorry but a weak repudiation on today's Huffington Post, as much as I admire and love the website just will not do.
He needs to hold a major press conference, thats the proper way to repudiate Reverend Wright's statements.
Senator Obama is trying to be clever submitting the repudiation on the Huggington Post, let's see just how many mainstream African Americans visit the Huffington Post?
Not Many! A very clever way to avoid alienating his African American base. Is this what we are to expect from a Barck Obama Presidency?

My my we are trying to have are cake and eat it too Sen. Obama?
Well time for Chris Matthews and Hardball, back later to critique Hardball and Tucker's farewell.

back later all.

Sincerely,
Heather

KC,

I need a rest today. Patsi wore me out. lol

Good afternoon all.

Silver lining time re the Rev. Wright sermons issue: blogger Al Giaroano thinks this might not hurt Obama as much as you would think because

" Given that some public opinion polls say that as much as 13 percent of the electorate still thinks Barack Obama is a Muslim, the more focus on his Christian pastor the more that smear gets permanently erased."

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=893

(Andrew Sullivan linked to Giordano's Rural Votes blog; he had some interesting analysis on Pennsylvania the other day.)

Pogo: think you might particularly enjoy the Rural Votes site; sounds like even if he's discussing sawgrass it will beat your deposition experience this afternoon.

Rezdog

Hey it's Friday.

LOL

I know Casino nite for us.. Got to check up on the investment lol

Warren's around here somewhere, you can beat up on him..he likes it ;)

mc'cann vs obama
mc'cann campaign ad
john mc'cann american hero'the only thing that keep him alive during years of torture and captivity' his love of god' country'and flag
cut to rev wright
god bless america'no GOD DAMN AMERICA'GOD DAMN AMERICA

IT WON'T EVEN BE CLOSE

Rez

Or as we call it around here Sabbath.
And not much to argue about over the media matters article.

Tweety had a minister on to talk about the Rev Wright story and agreed the Obama statement needed to be
made in a wider public forum and kind of qestioned the sincerity by questioning the timing.

Oh, my stars. Matthews said KO & BO will be playing kissy face. Yikes.

Rez,
What about the 20 years he was a member of that church? NO ONE Is thinking that maybe he has been indocturated by his "MENTOR"? Give me a break of course he has been. This is very scary. I do not care how much he denounces his pastor. He needs to say that over the last 20 years, he will denounce all he was taught. Right, that's going to happen.

Racism and the Race Card

"… Mrs Clinton’s camp claims that, for all Mr Obama’s post-racial appeal, he has deliberately stoked controversy before primaries in states such as South Carolina with large black populations. For instance, having previously accepted Mrs Clinton’s assurance that she had nothing to do with the distribution of a picture showing him wearing a turban and tribal outfit, Mr Obama used a speech in Mississippi this week to accuse the Clinton campaign of leaking the photograph “to make people afraid”."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/

Ok here is another thing. On one of the stations a black man said that Clinton's 3am ad was racist. That there is some underlying racist statement because black men come in the dark of night. This is becaming stupid. What has our country come to? Are we going to have another civil war if he does not get the nomination?? I am in such disbelief. As a psychologist that works with teens, they are smarted than those in these campaigns

20 years is a long time to listen to one man's view - BHO started going to this minister's church when he was only 26 years old.

“from the pulpit this guy called Natalie Holloway a "slut"?”

She was a slut. Just think if she were a black girl acting as she did. What would you call her then? I’m sick of her mother trying to act like this little bad girl is better than other young girls. She did a stupid thing and unfortunately suffered the consequences.
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“People seem to be jumping off the BHO bandwagon, like rats off a sinking ship...“

Not me! It’s the only way to get the scumbags like the Clintons out of Washington forever and politics for good. They would be nothing but the same old dirty crap, but then that’s why she has Marc Sleazebag Penn running her campaign.. If she gets “appointed” president (as was Bush), it will be the same as McCain, so why try to make a difference. They’ve both voted for almost identical stances. Oh, but there is one difference; she’s in this to get even with the Monica’s of the world when, in fact, it is BJ Clinton that did her in.
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Craig, out of the entire article about Rev. Wright, here is what I believe is most relevant:

"What I value most about Pastor Wright is not his day-to-day political advice," Obama said. "He's much more of a sounding board for me to make sure that I am speaking as truthfully about what I believe as possible and that I'm not losing myself in some of the hype and hoopla and stress that's involved in national politics."

Even though I’m an old white broad, I’m assuming that not many of you (especially Heather – btw, learn the difference between are and our) have been in black churches. I love their gospel singing and “upbeat” sermons even though I’m a Congregationist, in spite of what Wendy, KGC, and others think.
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Too many damned Republicans on here acting like they are Democrats. Why don’t you do as KGC does…spend time watching FAUX. Real News…or is it Reel News? I need to get a punching bag after reading most of this sh*t.

Heather: welcome. Nice to see a new person posting. Pets a plus.

I've not looked at anything on Huffington Post today, but plz be assured that its articles are linked to all over the internet.

Much as Mrs. Ferraro made news with her remarks to a small LA area local, from interview given in advance of a speaking engagement, I am sure that anything relevant to B Obama and Rev. Wright makes its way to any and all communities watching the issue.

Believe you me, I did not find that Rural Votes site on my own.

Karolenna

You have earned your spot.

I am glad this discussion about Rev. Wright and some of his more incendiary speeches is coming out. It was bound to, and better to get it out and hashed over and back and forth now than later.

Besides which, BHO (per Talking Points Memo) knows he's got an uphill climb in Pennsylvania -- always did -- and aims to keep margin to 10 points.

Will catch up with you soon -- still have some yardwork to finish.

Enjoy those martinis and cervezas in the meantime.

The parishioners in that church appear to really enjoy what the Minister was saying, standing up and waving their arms, smiling and laughing.

In response to Carol at 5:57 PM.

Carol---the show you watched was Hardball. It was just stunning that black man Professor Orlando Patterson interpretted the 3 AM ad as dissing black people-- some nonsense inferring the danger of black men breaking into the homes of sleeping children.

When black men from the public were asked about the ad---they had the same conclusion as the Professor.

I agree with you-- black man in the Whitehouse could be just as devisive as a Clinton in the Whitehouse! I agree with you----it is alarming where this could go!

If we keep our heads in the sand everything will be OK!

http://www.tucc.org/store/index.cfm

What does Obama say about the Church still selling boxe sets of these sermons.

RR:

I know a lot of "fucked up" people (I am not including your sister in this category - just telling my own story). I think a more accurate way to put it is people that have "fucked up" in their lives including me, my family members, my good friends, etc. (even Bill Clinton!). We all know full-well you can always dust yourself off and get back on your feet - no matter what you go through.

I think the problem is that everyone is trying to be "sane" - which is a made up word and a goal that drives people out of their fucking minds!

Who are these "sane" people anyways? (scientologists perhaps - hah!). I mean there are quote-un-quote nice people - who don't partake in all the vices that most of us regular folks do (like Mormons and the GOP; )

And I know there are exceptions (heck I was out drinking with a jack Mormon from the GOP last night!)

Anyways - the point is that when you really get to know those "nice" people (or those so-called "sane" people) - you realize they are just as fucked emotionally as the rest of us!!

If it was a choice of Hillary, Barack, or Dennis Haysbert answering the phone, guess who would win hands down.

Wonder in the Obamas can be seen in any of the Rev's videos? That would be interesting.

Btw, have you watched the news recently - I am utterly SHOCKED that male politicians use prositutes and like strippers!!

(I am sure if you ask any of those ladies - they will tell you politicians are some of their best clients!!). But I can't believe that guy invited them over to his freaking office - and I can't believe Spitzer paid so much and did it on Feb. 13 - now these parts of the story make clear these men are fools (and just plain cruel on that last one)!!

Dumb Troll Hall of Fame

You have earned your spot.

Renee:

Lost was awesome!! (it made me cry)

" it will be the same as McCain, so why try to make a difference. They’ve both voted for almost identical stances. "

Karolenna,

You could replace McCain with Obama and the sentence above would be much more accurate. The two Democratic senators running for the Presidency have virtually identical voting records including today. Where they differ is usally when Sen Obama is voting with his mentor Sen Lieberman.

RR:

I love Emerson - I will check it out.

Bear:

Are you like that black cop on the Chappelle show skit that starts rocking out to John Mayer's rendition of Poison...hah!

Now the true test of being white is whether you watch Rock of Love on VH1!! Just kidding.

I agree the whole black-white-brown-yellow debate is absolute nonsense. It is also counter-productive to the concept of a "melting pot."

We are supposed to melt together people - not boil (and bicker and fight and destroy one another).

I'm sorry but I believe Reverend Wight is full of hatred, I do understand the difference between are and our. You seem like many other people that support Senator Obama, deragatory name calling of Hillary and Bill Clinton, correcting and moralizing those that have alternative views that differ from your own relating to Senator Clinton. Tell me why does Senator Right use deragatory name calling with Condolezza Rice and Colin Powell referring to both as "Uncle Tom's" and sellouts to their own race?

I'm sorry, common sense and logic dictate to me Reverend Wright is about hate.

To me church is a solemn service that has to do with theology and love, worship and devotion to God so that we can be better human beings.

I could get in a long theological debate but I will avoid that, suffice to say Jesus left the politics of His day to the Pharasees, Saducess, and the Romans. I suggest Reverend Wright leave the politics to politicians and better serve God and perhaps he could follow the example of the student [Sen. Obama] he mentored.

Sincerely,
Heather

It's very strange for me to see the absolute hysteria brewing in the
US among Democrats, and none of it is sticking to Obama. Did you ever
read Bonfire of the Vanities? This is like BOV meets Primary Colors.
It's really giving the lie to the idea that the US is over race, and
not in the way that Obamaphiles might think. The recklessness with
which liberals are accusing other liberals of racism--with Hillary
being compared to David Fucking Duke (by Keith Olbermann)--is just
breathtaking. It's like watching a witchburning.

Glad I don't live there. As David Byrne said, I wouldn't live there if
you paid me.

sorry typo:
I meant to say:

[correction] I'm sorry but I believe Reverend Wight is full of hatred, I do understand the difference between are and our. You seem like many other people that support Senator Obama, deragatory name calling of Hillary and Bill Clinton, correcting and moralizing those that have alternative views that differ from your own relating to Senator Obama. Tell me why does Reverend Wright use deragatory name calling with Condolezza Rice and Colin Powell referring to both as "Uncle Tom's" and sellouts to their own race?

Obama says Rezko played a bigger fundraising role

"Indicted Chicago businessman Antoin "Tony" Rezko was a more significant fundraiser for presidential candidate Barack Obama's earlier political campaigns than previously known. Rezko raised as much as $250,000 for the first three offices Obama sought, the senator told the Tribune on Friday.

Obama also said for the first time that his private real estate transactions with Rezko involved repeated lapses of judgment. The mistake, Obama said, was not simply that Rezko was under grand jury investigation at the time of their 2005 and 2006 dealings. "The mistake was he had been a contributor and somebody involved in politics," he said."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-obama-rezkomar15,0,2968927.story

Heather:

Sparky sounds like Lucy!! I love it when she scares the hell out of bigger dogs (and strangers she doesn't like - she is a good judge of character). She actually went after Mike Meyers in Soho when my ex first got her from the shelter (he was not too pleased). But she is getting more socialized. She would be a great case for Ceasar Milan.

She also enjoys watching the NFL, smells every fire hydrants she sees and sings whenever she hears that Vonage commerical.

I thought what you said about Reagan was pretty compelling. And I agree that the government is there to serve the peopl's interests (not a politician's own special interests).

But I do kinda get the smaller government concept. The Tao Te Ching actually has a section on government. The basic premise is that smaller government is better because you will have politicians that know the people and vice versa. Rather than some distant leader telling everyone what to do and think from the mountain tops.

And - nice try on the Obama should hold a press conference on J. Wright... That is exactly what his opponents want him to do.

He did the right thing. Reject those comments - and move on to the people's business.

What will Tucker do now?

"And - nice try on the Obama should hold a press conference on J. Wright... That is exactly what his opponents want him to do.

He did the right thing. Reject those comments - and move on to the people's business."

But the Obama folks and the media hounded Sen Clinton until she said exactly what they thought she should say about a friend of many decades.

I'm more than willing to give Sen Obama a pass on his minister simply because community activities often center around a church no matter who is doing the preaching, but what is good for the goose is good for the gander and there had better be a complete cease fire on what surrogate said what on either side of the contest.

Lush

Tucker is still employed by MSNBC as a political commentator. I'm sure between doing that and clipping coupons he won't be starving to death.

Heather - can you imagine Hillary on Hannity and Colmes?

I can't - it seems that the case for the Clintons is lost on many in the GOP (as well as some Indy's and Dems) - who don't like her as much as the Dems don't like Bush (of course for different reasons). Except the Clintons and the Bushes do have one thing in common - they are all bullies.

Jamie:

"there had better be a complete cease fire on what surrogate said what on either side of the contest."

Agreed. I was for this policy long before these recent events.

We all mispeak at times (and I am guilty as charged)

Is Rosa Brooks single?

She is smart and funny.

after all the bullshit obamaheads have been slinging towards sen.clinton now they want a cease fire' 'i wonder why

mqw:

Have you already forgot the kitchen sink strategy. That was the Clinton campaign - not Obama.

And that jackass Mark Penn was also recently spouting off about how Obama will lose the general. That guy is pretty stupid for someone who is so smart. And he is the Clinton person in charge of her message... He should have been fired a long time ago - but he is still around because he is a Clinton crony.

Obamageddon?

Warren, I think you should do a video where you refuse to answer the ringing phone because you are dancing the worm. I'd buy it.

And they say Obama's supporters are of crazy, naive kooks who drank the kool aid:

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Howard-Dean-Hillary-Clinton-New-York-Senator-Davie2C-Florida/photo//080306/photos_ts_afp/94dc146a4c1507b73e4ad5bfc50690c7//s:/ap/20080314/ap_on_el_pr/primary_scramble;_ylt=AtHCmvCYzgBtN6ZNh80GsWhh24cA

"Wake up white people!" (to quote a nut H. Stern used to have on his show). Obama is the better candidate for THIS election.

mqw

I'm on the Clinton team. I thought the crap the Obama team has been throwing at her has been totally off base including today's "Hard Ball".

They have matthews and another man on saying sleeping children mean a black man is about to attack and a woman who says it's about the security of the children ... naturally Matthews agreed that the men were right. He really does take Misogyny and male chauvenism to a high art. Some day he is going to open his mouth and nothing but oinking will be heard.

"And that jackass Mark Penn was also recently spouting off about how Obama will lose the general

And what should he be allowed to say.
You come here everyday and say Clinton can't win the general.and much worse. And you are just a repeater station for Obama talking points, nothing new or original.

ROTFLMAO @ Obamageddon!!!!

Patsi:

Can we have strippers in the video?

"And that jackass Mark Penn was also recently spouting off about how Obama will lose the general

And what should he be allowed to say.
You come here everyday and say Clinton can't win the general.and much worse. And you are just a repeater station for Obama talking points, nothing new or original.

Posted by: Shortest ceasefire ever | March 14, 2008 7:17 PM

That's a great point, thanks.

1. I do not work for the campaign (just a loyal supporter like I suspect most are on this board)

2. I say Clinton will have a more difficult time than Obama against McCain this year - because it is true.

3. I am offended you think I have nothing original to say - and if you feel that way - stop reading my posts!

Real new and original DSA...

Is BHO on KO tonight?
I wonder if it will be everything Keith expected?

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/blogs/wolcott/2008/03/now-that-everyb.html

James Walcott thinks people who find racism in the ad are looking too hard and seeing things that are not there and not seeing things that are

Sticking up for Warren here!

If you want to assail him, plz come out using your own name or usual screen nickname.

Warren is thinking: that was sticking up for me?!

I don't think Hillary can win the general either; her negatives are far too high and she is too reviled by the rightwing -- she will fire up their base and get them to support McCain, whom many view with suspicion.

But Hillary sure can pull Obama down.

And that seems to be what she is doing.

PS: going with "Hillary" because "Clinton" still says Bill to me.

That picture of the Clinton supporters cracks me up. Is anyone here in the picture I wonder...

Is BHO on KO tonight?
I wonder if it will be everything Keith expected?

Posted by: march14 | March 14, 2008 7:23 PM

Anyone got a towel?

lol omg DSA

Why a towel? (Sorry. Someone had to explain the term MILF to me too.)

"Can we have strippers in the video?"

Yes, Warren. Only they must be lesbians. (You can use lipstick lesbians, if you must.)

In case you missed the latest bit of obscenity from our President:

"Speaking by videoconference with U.S. military and civilian personnel in Afghanistan about the challenges posed by war, corruption, and the poppy trade, the president unleashed this comment:

I must say, I'm a little envious. If I were slightly younger and not employed here, I think it would be a fantastic experience to be on the front lines of helping this young democracy succeed. It must be exciting for you … in some ways romantic, in some ways, you know, confronting danger. You're really making history, and thanks"

He sends them to slaughter people for years and calls it "romantic". The man is psychotic.

Tempers are running high. The dream ticket is a fleeting illusion.
The establishment in both parties are oblivious to the wind of change.
I say give us a compromise candidate in Denver (Robert Byrd) since Clinton and Obama are on a trajectory to self distruction.
Even Byrd's at that age would blow away McCain .

Cool. I like lesbians.

Jamie,
That's code for I'd love to get some of that heroin.

Jamie: OMG. But he could do the next best thing and send a daughter or two.

Or they could be assisting amputees and brain damaged Iraq War veterans through their VA paperwork.

Nah. Got a wedding to plan.

Dog

Towel ... clean up duties after the mutual attention.

That picture of the Clinton supporters cracks me up. Is anyone here in the picture I wonder...

Posted by: warren

Ridiculing people for supporting their candidate and taking what you consider a bad picture.

Charming No wonder people thinlk acceptable political discourse is making fun of someones name and religion. Good on you for raising the level to
bad photography

Oh, so BHO is really going to be on Keith Olbarackmann tonight?

I was wondering how long BHO was going to stay "in hiding"(as I haven't seen him on TV all day).

I hope Olbarackmann will resist the urge to roll over and "light up" after the interview.

Clinton Supporters Hardening Against Obama

"The media, Obama and his supporters are underestimating the hardness now solidifying among many Clinton supporters who are saying they will never vote for Barack Obama. There have been grumblings since Obama made the statement that he could get Clinton voters, but she couldn't get his voters. But things have reached the tipping point.

So as things stand today, if Clinton is not the Democratic nominee, which is anything but certain as things stand today, there will indeed be a new breed of voter out there, according to the emails flooding in to me: McCain Democrats. As a former Reagan Democrat I know the signs.

Other Democrats, Clinton supporters, say they will simply sit out the election if Obama is the nominee. The war is a deal breaker for many when it comes to John McCain."

http://taylormarsh.com/

That is a pretty good photo, actually, it is a snap-shot of time that may have lasted as little as 1/8 a second.

George,
You may be on to something. Nobody in the senate knows the constitution better than Robert Byrd. Maybe he could right that ship.

I think the Clinton supporters would be all for Sen. Byrd since the are so worked up about "experience."

Doesn't Clinton realize if she wins the nomination on that message - "experience" and being "ready on day one" - she has made McCain's case for the nomination in the general election.

He is a war hero, a longtime Senator on all the important committees, and showed political courage (if not acumen) on his support for the surge. He also appeals to Independents - and HRC does not automatically win the hard-line anti-war vote - because Clinton voted for the Iraq War.

I hope we end this thing in PA.

GORDO: it was so nice to see you posting your own comments. In your own voice.

Could you plz drop the Taylor Marsh shit? All of us know who she is and how to access her website.

And if Taylor Marsh was a Reagan Democrat, she has lots to atone for there.

Just gearing up for the big BO on Keith deal....

"...did you hear about this one?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4c098UVWfE

Warren,

Maybe she needs to add to the message: Experience, ready on day one, IQ above shoe size.

That should eliminate McCain.

So, now the 3:00am ad is about a black man breaking into a woman's home?

Did I miss something?

Does Prof. Orlando Patterson feel the same way about the 3:00am BHO ad? Probably not...

Clinton Campaign tactic No. 3:

"Ridiculing people for supporting their candidate"

-Obama supporters are voting for him because they are naive, don't know the "real world" or simply because he is black. (I am sure a quick Lexis search could find plenty of support for that stmt).

don't talk to me about raising the level of discourse...

Btw, tactics No. 1 and 2 - are the politics of fear and distraction (with personal destruction rounding out the list).

Jamie: thanks re towel. Thought that might be the deal. Wasn't sure if there might be a shower and towel slapping involved.

I think McCain has a normal IQ.

His Achilles heel might be self-proclaimed ignorance of economic issues, which are looking dire.

Obama has been endorsed by Paul Volcker.

How does BHO feel about legalizing marijuana?

And Obama scores a hat trick tonite

In addition to being with Olbermann, he will be with Major Garrett on Hannity & Colmes & with Anderson Cooper as well. Some damage control.

"Ridiculing people for supporting their candidate"

You edited the comment. to alter the meanng.

De Fazio letter to Obama and Clinton re negative attacks

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM43_080312_clinton-obamapr.html

Jamie:

"Maybe she needs to add to the message: Experience, ready on day one, IQ above shoe size.

That should eliminate McCain."

In what country?

Don't forget - Bush got re-elected... And McCain is no George W. Bush. He is sharp, has a fantastic record and bona fides on National Security that neither Dem can match.

This is still a war-time election - I mean there are 2 we know about. "Experience," "tested" and "ready on day one" does not work against McCain And Obama's message of CHANGE is the key to beating the Republicans. It links McCain to Bush - and presents Obama as the other option. We have seen that it is strong enough to withstand the politics of fear and it is what the majority of voters are looking for (e.g., record turn outs and $$ for Obama).

Do you think Clinton can stamp out that message and then take on McCain based on her "experience." That my dear is frankly naive....

(And the cease fire is with respect to the candidates - all bets are off amongst the supporters - just make sure to not piss someone off soooo bad they will vote for McCain - which should still give you some considerable leeway ; )

"That my dear is frankly naive...."

I had to laugh when I read that.

Shorty wrote:

""Ridiculing people for supporting their candidate"

You edited the comment. to alter the meanng."

Warren wrote:

"Ridiculing people for supporting their candidate"

You people are trying to edit the results of the contest - to somehow alter the fact that Obama is winning.

Your jedi mind tricks don't work on us.

It may be Naive, but I firmly trust Sen Clinton's "judgement" to Sen Obama and after all the ugliness of the past several days, I've joined that Taylor Marsh crowd.

If the things said to me and about me in the past several days are an indication of Sen Obama's supporters, I don't want him or them anywhere near the White House.

OK kids...it's time for Uncle Keith's "BHO Slurpfest"...let's all get comfy and cozy, on the couch...

popcorn, anyone?

Rev. Wright has now resigned from Obama's advisory committee.

Jamie,
Thanks for the DeFazio letter. Maybe we can get him to send a similar one to this blog.

Jamie

You may get your wish. It seems that both have agreed to try to shut down their trash talking supporters. Thats apparently the gist of the private chat on the Senate floor . Any bets how long a cease
fire would last!

yhttp://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/03/democratic_rivals_agree_to_pla.phpesterday.

Relax warren, if your candidate is winning there is no need to take everything so seriously. Correct?

I don't usually read the comments beyond 7pm..... but glad I made an exception tonight.....

you people are cracking me up!...... LOL!

Jamie...... {{{{{hugs}}}}}}..... you go, girl.....

Warren.... Lost made me cry too..... yes.... check out that book.... if you love Emerson, you'll love that book....

Heather..... 5 Yorkies!..... holy shit..... whole lot of yappin' must be going on in your house.... I used to have Labs.... they were easy..... we travel too much now to do justice for a dog.... but I've been really craving getting another one lately....

hey..... Byrd's the word.....

I hope BHO is at least in favor a decriminalizing pot and a lot of other victimless crimes.

There are plenty of violent criminals out there to put away - and our resources should focus on getting them off the streets.

Drug abuse is stopped through prevention and support groups - not by throwing people in jail and making it harder for them to get a good job.

Correction on that TPM link

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/03/democratic_rivals_agree_to_pla.php

Jamie

You may get your wish. It seems that both have agreed to try to shut down their trash talking supporters. Thats apparently the gist of the private chat on the Senate floor . Any bets how long a cease fire would last!

yhttp://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/03/democratic_rivals_agree_to_pla.phpesterday.

"I've joined that Taylor Marsh crowd."

Don't say such things Jamie. I don't know much about the lady - but she seems to get off on the soap opera of politics rather than the issues. She seems like a columnist that focuses on the political gossip (i.e., the page six of politics).

"If the things said to me and about me in the past several days are an indication of Sen Obama's supporters, I don't want him or them anywhere near the White House."

They are not. Obama is too much of a gentleman to say many of the things his supporters say (and he rejects and denounces any statements from his supporters that are divisive).

that was a soft-ball interview

If the media likes someone - does that mean their biased?

The media likes McCain - and it serves him well.

I wish idiot-remarks made by fringe ppl in both campaigns would be ignored. I highly doubt that either candidate said, "yeah..go on out and say that!"

It's like kindergarten out there. A lot of 'oh yeahhh??" and "are NOT!"

Just a note to my buds on here... mr tylenol is having bypass surgery this weekend.. pls keep us (and our kids) in your thoughts.

Thanks

Warren, regarding this post, | March 14, 2008 6:39 PM

Yes, I would be the dude rocking out. No, I don't watch Rock of Love. You can only take so much of watching over weight strippers act like total idiots to hook up with a talentless hair, balding, hair band singer.

With regards to lesbians, I like lipstick lesbians because I can understand being a hot woman being attracted to another hot woman. What I don't get is a woman being attracted to another woman who acts and dresses like a man. I just can't conceptualize it.

I am still laughing about the whole KO slurpfest comments. It's obvious that the majority hear doesn't get that he is projecting his I am smarter than you attitude towards the Clintons. He desperately hates all things Bush and he saw her early on as the best remedy to it. It's obvious that he is offended by how crappy a campaign she is running and he is letting her have it. Trust me, if Bill Clinton told him to sleep with Hillary, he would be naked in 1 second...and then done in 3...lol

Extra prayers and hugs for Mr. Tylenol, you and your family. I hope all goes well and that a successful surgery gives him many extra healthy years.

I only caught part of the Oberman interview with the big 'O', but didn't I hear him say he didn't get political advice from Wright?

but in the article Craig posted earlier,

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/custom/religion/chi-070121-relig_wright,1,294740,print.story

why does this quote stick out?

What I value most about Pastor Wright is not his day-to-day political advice,"

Warren,

I was speaking of the link above from the TM site about Clinton supporters becoming ridgidly opposed to Sen. Obama's candidacy.

I have no great affection for Ms. Marsh or her site since until Gordo appeared, I had never been there.

Ty- They are very good at that, I am sure it will all work out well. I understand the stress involved...you will get through this. My thoughts are with you and your family, even if I am an outsider. : )

"What I don't get is a woman being attracted to another woman who acts and dresses like a man."

Ha! Bear, I know you ordered me to never mention friends, but I did ask a dyke friend about that very thing. (That's HER self-descriptive term and she's proud of being called one. Kind of like musician Marty Stuart proudly calls himself a hillbilly.)

She is one of those who REALLY dislikes men -- and I asked her why, then, did she go out of her way to look like one. The only answer she could come up with was that it was genetics.

I thought I saw a FryDaddy post earlier...

Fry, what did you think about the Wire finale?

Patsi,

I'm glad I'm not the only one with that question. Reminds me of the bar scene in Chasing Amy when they talk about it... If you ever watch any of HBO's Real Sex episodes that approach the subject...I just don't get it...gay men, that is easier to figure...you dig men...now I'm rambling...off to get some wine...

It is all very simple: you make too much of it.....when it works, it works.....end of story.

Everyone knows when they meet someone, if there is any attraction...right? It is no different for anyone.

rev wright resigns! lol i guess billiary and obama is even now, both had their official bigots (ferraro and wright) resign from their campaigns.

Patsi:

"She is one of those who REALLY dislikes men."

For a minute there I thought you were talking about some of Clinton's supporters.

J/K - that was a low blow.

*warren ducks and runs*

Tylenol -- I hope the surgery goes as smmothly as these bypasses usually do. Painful to get through afterwards, but so many men I know ended up feeling like a million bucks!

The resignations are not for any thing other then to satisfy the public, those people will maintain connected to those bonds.

do not be fooled

who doesn't know lesbians? have you seen the "man" pool out there?

yes

Hmm....I've always felt that my gay and lesbian friends were probably more honest and trustworthy than most everybody else. I testified as a character witness for a gay songwriter friend years ago. He was busted for buying some valium ground up and made to look like Qualudes.

My testimony was obviously worthless, because he spent a year in jail, while one of his songs climbed the charts. Luckily for him, as it turned out, June Bug was in the slammer at the same time and made sure "D" didn't get turned into somebody's bitch.

Life in Hillbilly Central has been interesting. So much more so than Denver.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulyLfAKroOc

This is just rich for everyone, enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq0tAoO3-xQ

I have never seen Hannity & Colmes...the one looks like Nathan Lane...LOLOLOL!!

Clinton needs to remember that since she has decided to take her gloves off - her opponents (in the GOP and the media) will take theirs off as well.

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/03/14/hillary-fibs-about-s-chip-experience-too-boston-globe/

LL:

You should send an email telling Hannity that he reminds you of the great stage actor...(I am sure he will be delighted to hear this). Hannity takes himself way to seriously and in Colmes - Fox has found the perfect liberal whipping boy.

BHO on H&C

march:

That video was good. It is another example of how much "words" "matter."

BHO is stuttering his way through this interview.

LL:

You are right. HRC is a much better speaker than Obama. (hey wait a minute - I thought she was a "fighter" not a "talker").

Now Bill Clinton - he is good with words.

Not everything J. Wright is saying on these clips is entirely crazy. But I admit there is no doubt he is off the reservation.

There is a lot of talk about Rezco.Maybe some could help me how here with answers to the following;
* How many Dem politicians in ILL. did Rezco has fund raise for and how does the amount raised compared with the Obama amount.
* Has Rezco raised money for Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996?
* If he has raised for Bill what were the amounts in each instance.
The public should be interested in knowing the answers.
Its really ,really enlightening!
This campaign should be about the issues ,not mudslinging.

BHO is stuttering his way through this interview.

Posted by: LushIsLinda

Obama says "uh". Hillary says "ya know". Both are vehicles to give some time to think about the response. I'm glad that both adhere to the maxim to "think twice before speaking once".

Wendy:

It is getting closer in PA:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/rasmussen/20080314/pl_rasmussen/paprimary2008031320080314

Time is NOT on Clinton's side. Everyone knew she had to end this thing on Feb. 5th. That is why the campaign broke the bank trying to do so.

Now the Clinton campaign is just toughening up Obama for the general election. Good move. Better to get all this dirt out on the table before taking on McCain.

The whole problem here is.........that none of us individually have enough say to make change. We have one vote and when we do not agree we have NO power.

So rather then tearing each other apart, shouldn't we be looking to what we can pull together?

seriously , think about it

I often say both "uh" and "you know" as I stumble to get out my words.

I am much more articulate on the internet than I am in real life.

Oh, I wasn't comparing BHO and his stutter to HRC's speaking ability...

...but BHO doesn't sound as confident as he did when he was sitting in Uncle Keith's lap earlier...

...I'm just sayin' 8)

Last question re Rezko.
Did he become a scum pre 1996 or post 1996?

KO's lap was total comfort-zone

Like his brain doesn't work fast enough....that's cool

"Obama is always a bit hesitant while speaking off the cuff'
_____

uh...uh...uh...ya think???
LMAO!!!

It's like this, um, um i don't um like um um, like um know what to , um um ,,,,, um say, like ,, don't ,,,um

"So rather then tearing each other apart, shouldn't we be looking to what we can pull together?

seriously , think about it"

"KO's lap was total comfort-zone"
"Like his brain doesn't work fast enough....that's cool"

march, make up your mind!

where the F! is my script!! you um um um um f and um um um f f ers?

Time is NOT on Clinton's side. Everyone knew she had to end this thing on Feb. 5th. That is why the campaign broke the bank trying to do so.

Posted by: warren | March 14, 2008 9:45 PM

ummm.....check it again monday. :)

Like his brain doesn't work fast enough....that's cool"

march, make up your mind!

this refers to when he was on Fox with Major Garrett

Oh Nancy relax...you can not put all the reaction to different comment in one basket.....that doesn't make sense

the more i listen to rev wright remarks i wonder what in it is untruths? grant u his tone and the way he comes across is very angry, but im wondering if anyone can state to me what was untrue about what he said?

this is good on AC360 BO once again, ' never heard the statements' the 'Marine' comment again - wait, when is the 'uncle' statement coming?

BING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UNCLE said it...

John R - I do not believe that the Rev. White has the right to call someone dead teenage daughter a "slut" . Is that enough of a starting point for you or do you need more?

the SD's are going to be on freeking pogo sticks tommorrow jumping back over to HRC -

this is like christmas

Uncle..blah, blah, blah
Marine...blah, blah, blah
Religious Scholar...blah, blah, blah
Preached for 30 years..blah, blah, blah
Grew up in the 60's...blah, blah, blah
Angry...blah, blah, blah

BHO has all day to get it down...he nailed it with AC

Did BHO say why he went to that church for 20 years? or did he act like he had "no idea" of what they spoke?

Oh Nancy relax...you can not put all the reaction to different comment in one basket.....that doesn't make sense

Posted by: march14

These were all on the same comments you made march.
Here's what makes sense: you want McCain to be the next president.

McCain is better then Obama - that for sure

uh, oh...AC seems to be pulling BHO away from the talking points...

I have never heard BHO say "white America"

how many times tonight did he say that he would 'leave the church' if he knew what was said, but gee.....he didn't quit the church tonight on ANY of the shows he was on.........perfect opportunity, opportunity missed.....bad 'judgement'.

"he ain't white" ---- um, yeah he is by half
"he ain't rich" ---- by most peoples standards he is
"he ain't privledged" ---- Harvard, Lawyer, Rich wife - yeah he is.

Did Bob Jones or Pat Robertson or Falwell hurt Bush in 2000 and 2004?
Did the radical left in the black community support the Democrat Party prior to 2008?
Did National Dem politicians prior to 2008 accept these guys active support?
Whats the big deal now?
Are we saying that HRC can win in November without the group supporting Obama?
I know the Clinton's strategy is one of win first then worry about reunification.
I am afraid that strategy will not work this time around.
This campaign was slated to be a coronation of Clinton.
After errors upon errors by her campaign staffers ,the point an accusing finger at the media.
Will this be her strategy in the fall if she ends up as the eventual nominee?

"Did BHO say why he went to that church for 20 years? or did he act like he had "no idea" of what they spoke?"

Very stupid to say he had NO idea this was being said....VERY stupid.

Obama should have just said he sleeps through the Sermons.

The media is going to be pouring over the tapes and Obama calendar to see which semons he heard.

I for one just want to say the the USA is run by rich white people.....and they have made bad choices.....so God Damn the USA....oh yeah....and while we are at it, let's look to the country that has given us freedom to do all that we can to help our selves....like....go to school....wow what a concept???..........

please seriously, we are not being killed, we are not being denied....try harder , be better, blame is a losing game

I have been following Right Wing reaction to the Rev Wright story - they are going berserk. Obama supporters are underestimating just how devastating this would be in the GE. Imagine Obama against McCain the POW. Please take a look at this gentle "hit" prepared by a Hillary supporter (I posted this link at 9:35AM).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfU5MD-9wkw&feature=related

Unfortunately for BHO, this is not about Bob Jones, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, George Bush, 2000, 2004 or the Clintons...

It is about BHO and Jeremiah Wright...

March,
I think you once mentioned something about the anonymity of the internet. And how no one knows who or anything about the people posting. I agree with you except, we do a little something about the poster by what they post.

What I find amazing about all of this is that I can see the strength and purpose in the Rev. Wright's sermons. Much I don't agree with, but it doesn't take away from the power of what he is trying to achieve.

It was a great get aquainted with Afro Centric thought and the black church opportunity and Sen Obama blew it.

Maybe I did, I do not , and do not think I have ever really discounted anyones posts or comments. Maybe I have offended people , but sincerely I have tried to be open to all. So what ever slam you have against me , go ahead, after all, what is the point if you can not be honest?

Well, let us all start embracing the idea that for all the mess the country is in ,the Repugs will hold on to the Presidency in the fall.
There is no way that the Dems will be able to overcome the great divide which has emerged along lines of gender , race and age.
Only Dems can achieve this feat of self distructing when all else is in their favor.

the new head of the church "....would still be saying massa...." if BO is without the sense to quit this church in the next press cycle - because there is NO WAY IN HELL that the right wing will not come out in droves to vote against this - then he needs to drop out.

Either you're a black man and proud member of this church, or you're a white guy in Ohio, you're a black guy in Missippi talking about the Okey Doke and the Hoodwink, or you're the white guy in N.H. time for Barry to realize that he can't play both sides of the race card.

KGC

"Obama should have just said he sleeps through the Sermons. "

There are certain things that are impossible and sleeping in a black church is one of them. :)

George,

That is why the rest of the county thinks democrats are stupid.

Because they see it happen in "real time."

"There is no way that the Dems will be able to overcome the great divide"
--George
______

ya, huh(LMAO)...if everyone will just settle down and vote for HRC...we will all be fine!! 8)

im sorry i cant believe he never heard these statements .....even if he wasnt in the church he just said on CNN that he only heard about most of the statements when he started his campaign....i hate to say this but there will be a huge number of reporter out there scrounging and snooping and will find out he is not being truthful....somebody had to tell him about these sermans even if he wasnt there ....i think he's in trouble .....these are unedited dvd's that his church sells,,,,undoctored ...and i heard there are hundreds of audio tapes around...he may be in big trouble

Why does Obama have to quit this church?
It is part of a Protestant denomination with over 1 million members stretching all over American in Red States and Blue States with members of all race.
The denomination has never sought to expel or sanction this branch.

This much I know: all this hoopla will be laid at Hillary Clinton's door. Obama's supprters like Mika B. are already trying to say she's ginning this up. Never mind that I just saw a March, 2007 interview where Rev Wright said that his sermons have been under scrutiny ever since Obama made his 2004 speech.

And no matter what, Hillary Clinton will be smeared as a racist.

Sick.

Jamie,
You are funny and bright, I am sure I will not be here much longer only because I can't stand it.

But before I go, I have always thought of you as some young woman, now I know it isn't true, because I saw you had a birthday....but your soul and passion is still very alive and you are with it all the way. I hope you read this as a compliment because I think you rock....I am not that much young either.....just know there is someone else out there that "gets it"

Take care& peace & and not too many soy products... :)

patsi, this is payback for obama campaign making a big hoopla about ferraro and john haggee and rod parsely endorsements of mccain. personally i think this is a good thing get it out now, there will be so much negative stuff about this economy over the next few months that tonight and this incident will be a fading blurr on the political radar screen.

Patsi, this one is too clear and too paint-by-numbers, even Mika's stupid early morning "oh my!" gaze can be convincing - he's toast.

"John R - I do not believe that the Rev. White has the right to call someone dead teenage daughter a "slut" ."

March -- absolutely agree. I'd like to bitchslap Wright to the curb for that one. Major pig.

dead teenage daughter a slut.... huh, who was he talking about? i have not heard that, thats not something nice to say and its wrong... my question is what was the untruths? the video i have listened to i found nothing to be factually untrue, now maybe i havent listend to as many as u all have

"there will be so much negative stuff about this economy over the next few months that tonight and this incident will be a fading blurr on the political radar screen."

John R -- But the economy doesn't affect the corporate world that is deciding this thing. They will make it through just fine. And we'll be left saying, uh....wha' happened?

OH MY GOD -- I just heard Obama AGAIN saying he had "no idea" this stuff was being said. My GOD that's stupid. He's coming off as just a flat out liar now. Why would he say this? Of COURSE he knew what Rev Wright was saying. And it doesn't matter whether we agree that the anger Wright exhibits is justified. Obama has just made a fatal mistake.

Clinton gained the endorsement of 13 members of the Cong. Black Caucus(CBC)
Obama gained the endorsement 12 members and 4 members are uncommitted.
Clinton has recieved the endorsement of a host of black party functionaries at the state level.
Despite these endorsement the grass root is going against the establishment line and are voting for Obama.
How then could Obama be playing the race card?
Some of Obama's senior staffers worked for the Bill Clinton controlled DNC and for prominent politicians who have endorsed Clinton.
How could Obama convince these staffers to play the race card?

"dead teenage daughter a slut.... huh, who was he talking about? i"

The Natalie Holloway comment. I understand the anger over a missing and probably dead blonde being "more important" than a missing black grl. But calling the blonde a slut because she might or might not have had sex before someone murdered her?

Just getting caught up in today's rants after a very long work day.
I've been interviewed by a Newsweek reporter three times since yesterday on the Clinton v. Obama cold war affecting people's relationships and friendships.

The Peter DeFazio letter cracks me up -- considering how negative he went against my former boss, Ron Wyden, during their primary to take over Packwood's seat in 1995. Ron finally had to call a halt to it -- which he was strongly advised NOT to do -- because it mattered more to him that he could look Oregonians in the face than hide in shame for running a dirty campaign. He said, "You can campaign in the rain, but you don't have to throw mud."

Maybe Peter has learned a thing or two since then. I guess he's a pretty good guy -- our office used to get together with his on Cannon "Beach" to drink coveted Henry Weinhart's on Friday evenings. The beach was actually a piece of the Cannon HOB roof outside the DeFazio office window. We'd set up lawn chairs and enjoy the early evening view of the Capital late afternoon -- until the Capital Police put the kibosh on our fun. Came in like gangbusters and made threatening comments thinking we were all staffers -- until Peter piped up that he was the MC. They were more polite after that, but they still made us stop sitting out on the roof. Hillbillys indeed.

Tylenol -- You'll be in my thoughts.

Patsi,

To most bible thumpers, any woman who has sex with someone outside of wedlock, let alone just meeting them that night, scores high on the slut scale.

patsi, think u are wrong on that, if obama was at church the press or the public will never find out, rememebr this took place right afer 911, and what will the press do interview members....how will they get the membership list and in a church that seats 3k how can someone say if they for sure saw obama there. whether u believe him or not is one thing but the press will never be able to prove it.

patsi, ok i hadnt heard those comments, there is a lot of anger and frustration among older african americans just like there is anger and frustration among older whites like ferraro, why does this surprise anyone? also i do believe obama prob didnt hear those comments, i think what we are going to find out to obama's embarrassment is that he himself didnt go to church as often as his wife and kids. for example magic johnson the basketball player is a member of a church in los angeles a proud member, gave over 3 million dollars last year but he only shows up at certain events and maybe 4 to 5 services in a year. i can believe he didnt go often.

Mar 14,

Here you are making an exit and I was about to invite you to settle on some sort of a name if only because calendars and I aren't speaking to each other these days. :-) Please do stay. It really is a friendly space outside of intense political seasons.

"To most bible thumpers, any woman who has sex with someone outside of wedlock, let alone just meeting them that night, scores high on the slut scale."

ROFL, Bear....too true. A lotta women involved, then....

"Please take a look at this gentle "hit" prepared by a Hillary supporter (I posted this link at 9:35AM)."

Gordo, That foul piece of garbage could not have been put together by anyone who was a real "Hillary supporter". Sen. Clinton is much too much of a caring human being to ever tolerate assininity of that level.

" i do believe obama prob didnt hear those comments, "

Horseshit. Of course he knew what his pastor's theme was. If not, after 20 friggin' years, then he's about three sandwiches short of a picnic. This was tantamount to Gary Hart taunting the press to catch him with a woman.

A little message for Barak Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5NPweBHLKY

I am away for a few months and what do I find?

Craig is soaking in a hot tub and talking about long shots.

I'll bet that off-camera a miniature umbrella is providing shade to ice cubes floating in a tasty beverage.

Patsi, u have no knowledge of black preaching and what goes on in the black community, u have watched 10 seconds of edited comments and made some conclusions. u also have no proof he heard the sermon. if u do please offer it.... if u wasnt so scared maybe u would visit the church with all those black folks and ask around. also, have u heard the sermon text in its entirety? he said we should be singing God damn america, do u know what proceeded that, it was the fact that america started and unjust war and was killing innocent women and children through the dropping of bombs, should not individuals that kill innocent people be damned to punishment and if so should not a nation that kill innocent people through illegal wars also be damned to punishment for crimes against humanity? thats why i say the essence of what he said was accurate, his tone wasnt. what he said about hilliary it is true, she dont have cabs pass her up, she has never been called the N word, and if u didnt know it we do live in a country that is control by rich white men...

"I like a man who thinks a moment before he opens his mouth, it's a good thing"

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

a friend email this to me:

It has almost become de rigueur to make broad, sweeping, and often uninformed judgments after viewing short news segments. That kind of
information is often taken out of context and frequently used as an attempt to discredit the speaker. The politically savvy among us can see this discussion for what it is: an attempt to discredit by proxy. The
rest will claw at, and cling to, minor details while spinning an entirely new premise and or supposition.

I have heard entire sermons preached by Dr. Wight, not just FOX News clips. He speaks the truth that many know and think, but wont say out loud for fear of offending the power structure and those who misguidedly think they are part of the power structure. His sermons chastise everyone: the United States, Christians, the dominant culture and power
structure, blacks , word faith preachers, hip hop culture, politicians, those who wallow in self pity, and those who won't take responsibility for the part they play in their own oppression. I have heard similar
sermons with just as much vibrato from Catholic, Baptists, Episcopalian, A.M.E, and Church of God in Christ preachers. Chicago has many preachers who preach similar sermons. The priest at St. Sabina Catholic focuses on many of the same issues. He too critiques the United States, and the dominant culture and power structure. He also invited Louis Farakkan to speak during Sunday Mass. He also acts and speaks
prophetically which annoys the powers that be. He was attacked and arrested while protesting the high concentration of liquor stores in minority neighborhoods. If Obama attended St. Sabina, the anti Obama forces would be using that priest to discredit Obama. We need more of these prophets, not less. We have had enough of attending churches to
"get our praise on", while the neighborhoods around the churches are often filled with crime and decay. We need more preachers to critique us and the dominant social and political culture and keep our short
comings before our eyes.

Reread the biblical prophets. They did not shirk from critiquing Israel's political or religious institutions. They pointed out its lack of regard for the poor and disposed, widows, and orphans while spending
big for war. Their warnings to Israel certainly included much stronger words than God Damn.

Dr. Wright cries aloud, and spares not. He does not sugar coat the truth. It may be loud, uncomfortable, and stinging, but it still is needed. This energy would be better put to use if we eradicated the problems and social ills of our society instead of ignoring them while
burying our heads in the sand.

Jamie -------------------

There are many angry Hillary supporters out there. Of course, this could have been prepared by a Right Winger - get Obama and Hillary at the same time. Guess I've seen so many really rough attacks that this is very, very mild to me. It is an example of the sort of attack that would be launched against Obama.

John R -- my larger point is that Obama should never had acted dumb about this whole thing.

i should add this is the type of dialogue going on among black and white church discussion groups, so patsi and others not everyone will agree with concerning rev wright overall ministry

patsi, i agree with u he should have cut him loose last year and those from his campaign advisers etc... should have warned him

John R -- I never once said I disagreed about some of what Rev Wright says.....obviously this country has been dismal on MANY levels. I do have a problem with slut comments about dead teenage girls. He's obviously a pig.

I am irritated that this is one more bunch of crap that Obama steps back from and tries to assign blame to his female opponent.

Jamie said
"What I find amazing about all of this is that I can see the strength and purpose in the Rev. Wright's sermons. Much I don't agree with, but it doesn't take away from the power of what he is trying to achieve.

It was a great get aquainted with Afro Centric thought and the black church opportunity and Sen Obama blew it."

You were right Jamie it was a great opportunity that is now lost

When Bush Sr talked about a thousand points of light the Reverend Wright had 6000 points of light.
When bush jr talked about faithbased institutions working with the poor The good Reverend had been there for 20 years.
When John Edwards talked about the two Americas Reverend Wright was bringing the two together to worship and promote social justice.
Reverend Wright's church is a strong pillar in the Chicago community

truly a lost opportunity.
Obama started his compromising when he ignored the sexist attacks from his campaign.
Then he justified using the race card when his opponent had no history of such behavior.
Now he has denied a friend.

Mathew 26:34
"Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice"

A friend is more important than the presidency.

Jack

patsi, now u know im no hilliary fan but i dont believe she is behind this. i believe this is right-wing stuff. after the john mccain incident they want neutralize dems going after john hagge or rod parsely. i do find it funny that abcnews picked this up on a weekend that was for sure to be spent talking bout eisner buddy elliot spitzer...

As a strong Hillary supporter, I find the whole emphasis with Rev. Wright disturbing.

I don't think you can hold Barack responsible for the words of his minister. I've often cringed at services, weddings, and funerals conducted by priests of my church and by ministers of other churches.

Religion is a very complicated thing.

I've also found the attacks on Gerry Ferraro on this site and in the main stream media to be ridiculous. She is a wonderful person with a great career or working for people. Her words were distorted by people who can't come close to her commitment to civil rights.

John -- you and I are on the same page about this. The wingers are going to try to destroy both candidates. Now they think they've already tarred Hillary enough and are going after Obama. Sad but true -- we knew this sort of thing was coming.

The media helps out by "innocently" playing tapes over and over, whether they are Geraldine Farraro or Rev Wright or -- the "Harold, call me" commercials that sunk Harold Ford here in Tennessee.

Today’s thread was one of our best. A bit rancorous in places, but downright substantive in its own way, and thoroughly illuminating. But while the racial gotcha game plays out, I must end where I started – and you guessed it, FLORIDA. My home state gets a lot of grief, and I suppose that much of it is well deserved. As the nation's biggest swing state, things are bound to get a bit messy. Still, here’s what I know having spent my time today on Florida's political fate instead of processing preacher talk on YouTube: Florida Democrats are about to play their final card, and it is about money. All along this has not been fully appreciated. There is a strong chance that the party’s Florida contributors have the clout to bankrupt the Democratic National Committee, which is already almost broke. And that is exactly what they are prepared to do if the state does not get satisfaction. Demands for the return of millions raised by Florida contributors are in the works. It could be a foolish bluff, but that appears to be the next chapter of this story.

oregon, i do not believe ferraro is a racist, not at all, but a lot of black folks were offended. a poll showed that 70 percent whites felt her statements were not racist whereas 63 percent blacks did feel it was racist. it depends on who u are and ur life experience. a lot of black folks that have achieved success hear that quite too often..."u have succeed because of ur race or affirmative action" not because uve worked hard etc... so a lot of folks took offense. now having said that i dont believe ferraro is a racist i do think her words were from an era or generation that today is no longer acceptable such as with rev wright.

" 'I said, 'No, that's not why I supported Hillary Clinton,'" Paterson told Obama. "She and I are very good friends and I think she will be the best president.'"

"He laughed. He knows I'm very committed to Senator Clinton," said Paterson. "When I sign up to support a candidate, it's to the end.' "

There is a big difference in being offended and being justifiably offended.

Too many people of all races, groups,etc. go on automatic offense pilot.

When Gerry Ferraro was quoted, people had a responsible to ask: Who is this woman? What is her history. What is her commitment to civil rights over a 40 year period?

Gordo,

That kind of ignorance can not be countenanced. It certainly wouldn't help Sen Clinton get elected. Hatred is never a useful tactic. There is enough you can find wrong with Sen Obama as a candidate without lying and distorting.

"There is a strong chance that the party’s Florida contributors have the clout to bankrupt the Democratic National Committee, which is already almost broke"

Craig, It couldn't happen to a more deserving group. Considering that Sharpton is threatening a suit if they just seat the delegation and the vote by mail suggestion is dying a well deserved death, then the only way to go is a full up primary election in both FL and MI. Call a special election and get it over with.

If either Sen Obama or Clinton object to that plan then they really have no business being the nominee.

oregon, most people dont know ferraro, they are too young. in a society that judges every word out of ur mouth u must be careful what u say, to her what she said was okay, but to others it wasnt. if u are in the public arena the burden is on the communicator not the hearer to understand and appreciate all the dynamics and mine fields in public discourse

my prediction, regardless of what pelosi says, obama and hilliary will be on the same ticket. imo it will be obama at top and hilliary as vp, but obama will ask her to serve in that capacity and she will accept. u heard it first here :)

OD

That is what I was so outraged about yesterday. I couldn't believe that the media who had to know Ferraro's extensive history in politics could be playing for ratings what was basically a somewhat clumsy statement of a piece of the truth about Sen. Obama.

Today those same media people were saying, Oh yeah well sure .. or some variation of same while they go on a rampage about a minister who also tells a piece of a truth.

Tomorrow they will probably have something else you yammer on about for hours.

Well, John -- I honestly do relate to a lot of what you say. Race is still HUGE -- even bigger than I thought. But you also have to understand something that's happening among women -- women who know that their sisters have been persecuted throughout history and still are. And some of us are sick of hearing that our history doesn't mean a good god damn.

The first time I sat back and thought "HOLY CRAP!" was after working for civil rights, and then hearing Stokley Carmichael say, "The only place for women in the movement is prone."

Think that didn't piss a few of us off?

Think being black trumps being female? Only in this country.

Here's some comments from a recent op/ed in the Jackson MS Free Press:

"I saw Hillary Clinton on television losing her cool over Barack Obama’s criticism of her health-care plan. I don’t think that I will ever recover from the image of her looking a bit like a crazed televangelist, as she scolded, "Shame on you, Barack Obama!" I don’t know, maybe that scolding attitude is some kind of secret bonding process for women voters. Whatever its intent, I can tell you with confidence that it cost her the support of every male voter in the country who has ever encountered a scolding female teacher, wife, girlfriend, mother, sister, aunt or grandmother."

And then, John -- came the biggie:

"The first is whether, after decades of professing support of civil rights, Hillary will put her principles above her personal ambitions, and gracefully step aside to allow an African American to obtain the support of a united Democratic Party."

Sorry. But kiss this woman's butt.

http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/comments.php?id=16441_0_7_0_C

John R.

They may have painted themselves into a corner where no other solution is possible. Too many segments of the party have been sliced and diced into opposing camps. Still think Hillary on the upper half of the ticket makes the most sense.

thats why they will both be on the ticket there is no way either of them can win without the other, it just wont happen. with hilliary and bill there the experience issue will go right out the window, and this situation with the rev will be short-lived.

Evening Posse...It's been a while because I got depressed after Kucinich didn't make his big comeback in the Hawaii primary...

The interesting part of the Democratic primary season starts tomorrow with the first county conventions held in caucus states. Given the tightness of the race between Clinton and Obama, the 300 or so unpledged caucus state delegates could either shift the lead to Clinton, or cement the lead for Obama.

This will be the first test of Obama's staying power in caucus states. As his caucus supporters consisted of a great many new caucus attendees, it will be very interesting to see if they are involved enough to give up their Saturday to support him.

Starting tomorrow, Iowa's 99 county conventions will be held. Though no pledged delegates will be elected, the caucuses held at the county conventions will shape the candidate balance at the Congressional District and State conventions when the pledged convention delegates will be elected.

The Clinton and Obama campaigns have taken different strategies for these caucuses. The Clinton campaign is counting on their strength in loyal party activitists who have traditionally attended these caucuses. They have targeted their own delegates to make sure they continue to support Clinton at these conventions.

On the other hand, the Obama campaign has not only been reconnecting with their elected precinct delegates. The biggest question out there is whether or not Obama delegates will show up. Many of these delegates have not traditionally been involved in the party.

The Obama campaign has also heavily courted Edwards delegates. The Edwards delegates are also involved party activtists and will show up to the conventions. However, they are a very loyal group, and will in all likelihood either caucus for Edwards (as his Iowa campaign chair has publically requested), or caucus "uncommitted."

Sooooo...The Clinton and Edwards delegates will probably show up. The big questions are 1) whether the Obama delegates will attend, and 2) how many Edwards supporters will Obama be able to peel off.

I talked to Zoey earlier this evening. She is both a county delegate and a member of the credentials committee. They had early registration this evening, and had close to 400 people show up. They are expecting over 1,200 people attend tomorrow, which will probably be record attendance.

Hopefully Zoey will post a full report of the convention.

Jamie, they will both run together but it will be obama on top of the ticket.

Jamie---------------------------

I wish you were correct. I've seen "hate" work- many people are easily manipulated. FNC is going at the Rev story in a big way. Better now than later. I've been warning about this stuff -there is much more on the way. That's just the way it is in politics

ah, thanks so much Spike!!! was hoping to hear from you and zoey this weekend. keep us posted. good stuff

Dear Craig, All,

I just wish to say good night to all and say the following:
I could act foolish like Reverend Wright and say something hateful and say be careful when you take God's holy name in vain and ask him to hold America in damnation He just may hear you and react in a way you do not expect, the good people in Atlanta did not expect the horiffic storm they suffered though this evening. Be careful what you wish for Reverend Wright.

Instead, I will say something more humane and compassionate, my heart and prayers go out to the people in Atlanta of every race creed and color and any assistance I can give them I will...
Good Night everyone and May God Bless the USA each and everyone of us even you Reverend Wright

Sincereley,
Heather

oh god, if there is a god
save my soul if I have a soul.

Craig, clever hot tub, mailbox & golf TM.

You tease, you.

tt

Evening night owls.

Here's NYTimes story, echoing Craig's 12:54 a.m. comment on major Florida Hillary supporters threatening to withhold funds/requesting return of funds:

" ...Reflecting how tense the situation has become, influential fund-raisers for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton have stepped up their behind-the-scenes pressure on national party leaders to resolve the matter, with some even threatening to withhold their donations to the Democratic National Committee unless it seats the delegates from the two states or holds new primaries there.
....

Pushing to seat the Florida delegates, at least one top Clinton fund-raiser, Paul Cejas, a Miami businessman who has given the Democratic National Committee $63,500 since 2003, has demanded Democratic officials return his 2007 contribution of $28,500, which they have agreed to do.

“If you’re not going to count my vote, I’m not going to give you my money,” said Mr. Cejas, who was the United States ambassador to Belgium from 1998 to 2001.

Christopher Korge, a Florida real estate developer who is another top fund-raiser for Mrs. Clinton, held an event last year in his home that brought in about $140,000 for the national party, which was set aside in a special account for the general election battle in Florida. But he told committee officials this week that if Florida’s delegate conundrum was not settled satisfactorily he would be asking for the money back.

“If we do not resolve this issue,” Mr. Korge said, “I think it’s safe to say there will be a request for a return of $140,000.”

The anger from Clinton fund-raisers seems to emanate mostly from Florida, where the impasse appears farthest from resolution. Democratic Party officials in Michigan on Friday proposed a new primary election on June 3 to make up for the January election.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/15/us/politics/15donate.html?hp=&pagewanted=all

[At least on their overnight home page, NYTimes gave this story more play than Obama's denouncing his pastor's statements as "inflammatory."]

"I know you ordered me to never mention friends, but I did ask a dyke friend about that very thing. (That's HER self-descriptive term and she's proud of being called one....")

Posted by Patsi

I remember my friend Jacquie, proud lesbian, bus driver, union organizer. On her first day at work she had to drive a bus up to the Governor's mansion in Olympia when Dixy Ray Lee was Governor... Somehow Jacquie got stuck in the flower bed and Dixie's "friend" came running out of the mansion screaming at her to get that thing out of the flower bed. Panicking Jacquie yelled back "I'm trying". What a way to start your job!

Anyway, Jacquie used to have this cool t-shirt:

"NO DUTCH BOY IS GONNA PUT A FINGER IN THIS DYKE"...

Just thought I'd share...

Every man deserves that chance to straighten out run away talk and whispers.

On My Faith and My Church

The pastor of my church, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who recently preached his last sermon and is in the process of retiring, has touched off a firestorm over the last few days. He's drawn attention as the result of some inflammatory and appalling remarks he made about our country, our politics, and my political opponents.

Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy. I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html

From the Savage Politics story:

"and with Hillary Clinton’s Methodist church’s decision to accept gays into their marriage ceremonies."

and I'm not sure how the mainstream media can tag this as a negative in the same way some of the things Wright or for that matter Hagee are negative...In fact Hillary should be praised for belonging to such an inclusive church.

I personally haven't seen any of the channels saying anything about Hillary and the methodist church - has anyone else?