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I think Richardson was a bit pitiful today..He has been on a diet and is salivating at the possible chance of being Mr. Obama's V.P..

Whatever happened to his descriptions of himself and Sen Cllinton as the experience candidates..

I wish I had a ticket today so I could have booed him at the Obama event.

Richardson is not the voice of all Hispanics...I'd rather listen to America Ferrara, a staunch Hillary supporter who continues to press on. There were many problems with this Democratic Party process...and there are those of us who feel that too many were disenfranchised along the way. Why is it OK for Obama to team up with the Super Delegates to run HIllary (and her millions of voters) out of the election? And how could Richardson talk out of both sides of his mouth when New Mexico went for Hillary? Let the people speak...we're not done talking yet!

Woo hoo!

And they say Clinton is the one who will do anything to win? What divisive pandering! Whoever has been, and is still, orchestrating Obama's campaign, just will NOT give up! (me thinks it's the patriarchs) Every time I think he is going to act with dignity and do the right thing for the electorate, he disappoints once again. It's hard to believe he personally wants to keep putting himself and his family through this humiliating process. There was talk of narcissism on an earlier blog. I think we are witnessing it being played out during this campaign. When there is narcissism involved in a relationship, it rarely ends well. Maybe after Pennsylvania....

Testing...

Haven't been able to post in days, but haven't really had anything relevant to say.

Thanks Craig for summoning the tech Gods.

tt

The thing I'm most concerned about, Craig, in your article on the Richardson Endorsement is what you said about other "Richardson" types coming to HC to encourage her to drop out. Oh, please, Craig, who could that possibly be? Nancy Pelosi? - another all-but-announced-Obama supporter whose daughter (touting her new book) is using the Obama code words but also trying to hood-wink people into thinking she is not in the tank for Obama. Speaker Pelosi probably falls into the Ted Kennedy, Maria Shriver, Senator McKaskill, Wisconsin Governor camp who allowed their "kids" (young and old) to tell them who to vote for/support. How humiliating to be such important elected officials and be the one influenced instead of influencing. Al Gore? - another Obama fan who reportedly speaks to Obama every two weeks or so. Al Gore has said he never wants to see anyone lose like he did again. Well, I would say not counting HC's wins in Michigan and Florida would fall in the same category - disenfranchisement. If Obama had won those states, there would be marches in the streets and claims of 'stealing the election'. Clinton supporters are NOT going to listen to Obama supporters and good luck on the Clintons' being willing to listen to anyone who has an obvious vendetta toward them which I would say Al Gore (who said a year and a half ago that he would not support HC) has. Nancy Pelosi I'm afraid falls into the category of women who break through the glass ceiling only to become part of the "good ole boys system", not bringing women along with them who help get them where they are. Speaker Pelosi reportedly would not support one of her female peers for a leadership role in the House of Representatives when she first became Speaker of the House. She supposedly could not 'abide' this female leader. There are no democratic leaders that can do what you suggested 'could' happen. In the first place, Bill Richardson is not that kind of leader himself. He did not get the best press while he was running and in fact had some very derrogetory things written about him like 'very flirtatious' with women. Some do not consider him serious enough. I think the Latino community is smart enough to know that if Richardson did not endorse anyone before Texas and Ohio, he is obviously looking for an appointment.

I don't like it. Richardson should have not stuck a knife in HRC's back. He owed the Clintons support.
It makes him untrustworthy to me.

Dex, none of 'em are trustworthy.

tt

Hi Dexter... I am not surprised by Richardson's endorsement. In the days before the Texas and Ohio primaries he, and other leading democrats, were already pushing Hillary to drop out. Frankly the sheer idea of it makes it sound like he, and some of his ilk, consider Obama's nomination to be an entitlement.

Am I the only one who is still pissed at the way the MSM basically declared Obama the nominee the night the Iowa results came in? WTF??? The whole process has been ludicrous. I say to Hillary... FIGHT... FIGHT to the very end. Go to Florida and Michigan and tell them to keep demanding that their states count. Point it out over and over until the DNC realises the mess they will be in if they ignore those two POWERFUL states.

Dex, none of 'em are trustworthy.

tt

Posted by: tiptoe | March 22, 2008 2:21 AM

So absolutely true !!

what did Bill receive in return for his endorsement????

It's politics, Richardson is trying to position himself as best as possible. Three out of four scenarios, he wins, here's how.

Hillary wins the nomination, but loses the election, Obama becomes the leader of the Dems going forward, because the Clinton's are finally vanquished.

Obama wins the nomination, wins the election; Richardson is appointed to some cabinet position if he isn't VP.

Hillary wins the nomination, wins the election, he is screwed for being a traitor

Obama wins the nomination, loses the election; Richardson is aligned with the future leader of the dems.

Or the doomsday scenario: Democrats so divided that the party collapses and destroys itself, because party moderates finally get tired of the extreme left control of the agenda in the nominating process.

I've never liked Pat Buchanan, and disliked his sister even more. I think his column on race brings out a discussion that many, including myself, have been hesitant to express. I don't agree 100%, but there's a lot here that I think is pretty close to what I do believe to be correct. But I'd like to hear other reactions. I'm still unsettled where I stand.

http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=969

Eouro,

He writes a tough column. And he does have some valid points. Many liberals will dismiss a lot of what he says out of hand, but there is a large group of people in the US that resent big chunks of their taxes going for programs that they see as wasteful and ineffective.

And people do get pissed off at a double standard being applied. For example when Barak Obama says about his grandmother that she is a typical white person, nobody seems to make much of it. However, if Hillary Clinton or Bill said that so and so is a typical black person, they would crucified or at least keel hauled.

So while there is anger in the AA community, I believe that it also exists in among whites, especially those that are at the lower end o f the economic scale. And I don't think that they, if they vote at all, will be voting for Obama.

I think that this primary is exposing a big rift between whites and blacks that has existed for a long time but collectively we have pretended that the relationship is better than it actually is.

"Am I the only one who is still pissed at the way the MSM basically declared Obama the nominee the night the Iowa results came in? WTF??? The whole process has been ludicrous. "

No, Tom -- I felt the same. Just ridiculous.

The one thing I really agree with Buchanan about is
that Obama turned the tables with his speech. I had that feeling while he was speaking, that he was
sidestepping the issue of Rev. Wright by shaking his
finger at us.

As far as this speech being the great historical race
oratory, well, it boggles the mind. The empty heads
saying this obviously never heard Barbara Jordan speak -- or Shirley Chisolm, or Jesse Jackson when
he was really on a roll.

It didn't surprise me that Chris Matthews never knew
any blacks. That's probably true of a lot of the talking
heads. They can't believe anybody is talking about race because THEY never have.

PBs remarks weren't universally true, but there's a heck of lot of truth in them.

Even here, with bright people commenting, remarks such as Bear's yesterday evening making us white people personally responsible for 350-years of hateful repression, are simply over the top and deeply divisive.

Or Alpha's sentiment (I think--couldn't pin him down on it) that separate but really equal was what he wanted, and, when that was achieved, he, and his cohort, did not have a responsibility of helping his urban brothers and sisters to achieve similar success.

Slavery in America is our cross to bear. But, somewhere, people of pure heart have to lift the cross and move it towards the moral high ground.

My family has made a tangible, flesh and blood, commitment to make things better in this country. I'm deeply offended when our efforts are trivialized.

There's enough hurt go around and around. A few days ago I mentioned Dr Ed Gilberg, my Chicago friend who didn't speak a sentence of English until he entered public schools. He told me about the dozens of family members who died during the Holocaust. He worked hard to keep those horrors alive lest others forget. But, that didn't stop him making things better in his own community by starting the first multi-ethnic dental practice in St Petersburg back in the 60s.

Or the memories of my wife and her family who never saw her sister again after her mother gave a Korean businessman permission to have her work in a 'factory' some distance from home. That's the last time they had contact with her.

Now we know what really happened to her, and thousands of other girls, and we work to keep the horrors experience by the Comfort Women alive. But, still, she has made genuine, lasting, friendships with individual Japanese women.

Or of my own father who led the Council on Human Relations in a major northern city, and who was a leader of bringing YMCAs into urban areas. That was back in the 50s and 60s. He was deeply shaken, when at one of his Ys, he was shaken down for money by a group of teens. But that didn't stop him from being an activist.

So, I reject the venom and hate tossed at me. I'm not perfect, but I really have tried to make things better.

Clintons was paid back in full by performing his duties while a member of the Clinton administration to the best of his abilities and with honor and integrity.

Posted by: Richardson Fan | March 22, 2008 2:27 AM

Yeah he did such a great job at the dept of energery

He has a right to endorse but he doesn't have the ability or moral authority to declare the race is over

It was just a ploy by the Obama campaign to change the subject. All it did was reveal the attitude of liberal elistists toward the traditional base of the Democratic Party. Reagan Democrats are apparently neither needed or welcome in the Obama Democratic Party.
Good Luck with that.

Richardson looks like a used car salesman with that beard.

"My family has made a tangible, flesh and blood, commitment to make things better in this country. I'm deeply offended when our efforts are trivialized."

I agree, Flatus. I've felt the same way lately.

*YAWN*

Just another Obama supporter who thinks it best to disenfranchise voters to further his own political career.

Transparent.

Dems are probably doomed in Nov.

I (and several people I know) won't support a party OR a candidate that would support the disenfranchisement of over 2 million voters - especially since it appears that these voters will be disenfranchised for personal political gain.

If FL and MI don't re-vote, Obama will be the illegitimate nominee of the unDemocratic Party - compare that with the person who has been the illegitimate President of the US for the last 8 years.

Ann wrote: "Let the people speak...we're not done talking yet!"

Ann - Hello and Hear! Hear!

ET wrote: "I say to Hillary... FIGHT... FIGHT to the very end. Go to Florida and Michigan and tell them to keep demanding that their states count. Point it out over and over until the DNC realises the mess they will be in if they ignore those two POWERFUL states."

I'm with you!!!

Richardson is irrelevant...wants to make himself relevant.

the coverage of his endorsement yesterday was scant...I kept seeing pictures of Wright and Obama and everyone in a tizzy about Obama's passport. The segments on Richardson were brief and mixed.

"Or the doomsday scenario: Democrats so divided that the party collapses and destroys itself, because party moderates finally get tired of the extreme left control of the agenda in the nominating process."

From what I'm hearing from the people I know and the groups I belong to...this is your likely scenario...especially if Obama become the illegitimate nominee.

I heard this mentioned once (George Stephanopoulos) just after Iowa - Richardson was secretly working with the Obama people to boost his numbers in Iowa (where Obama was strong, some of his supporters would move to Richardson) so he could justify staying in the race. Bill Richardson loves attention. He probably records all his TV appearances, then watches them over and over. Where would BR be without the Clintons - probably still in the House. He is a back-stabbing publicity hound.

ET - It took me a couple of tries to get through PB article on race. After a few sentences I became disgusted and clicked out. Then everyone kept sending it so I decided to read the entire thing and it just got worse and worse and worse.

I don't think his article helps the discussion one little bit. As did Obama's speech (but at least Obama was much nicer and more eloquent), it spent too much time pointing fingers than trying to start a real dialog - and PB was just mean. So far we've had two prominent figures come out and point the finger at the other and no REAL dialog has begun. Shame.

I'm not even gonna post a link, but that Harlem preacher who called Obama a "Mack Daddy" is seemingly as delusional as Idi Amin ... or SOMEBODY. Please don't go to YouTube and look for it...it'll ruin your day...it's disgusting.

And here we are , with a long distance to travel by car, and we're under snow and blowing snow ... again. This has been a terrible winter and early Spring.

Flatus:

With regards to your 7:29 post.

That's the kind of thing we need from our leaders if we want to talk about a real discussion on race.

What kinds of things have we done/can we do to help each other.

Got a little teary reading that - expressed much of my frustration over the past couple of days - thanks - great comment.

Flatus, I am not able to keep up with this blog - so missed the points you reference, Regardless - Well Said !! God Bless you.

If a campaign today take us back to the ills of the 60's then shame shame shame.
To me it reveals the inner weakness and stains the efforts and where I see we are today in 2008.
Stop the madness! Look where we really are, suck it up and lets keep moving forward.

Dex: you have had a tough winter. Wish I could send you some of our daffodils, jonquils, tulips, crazy little Cardinals flying about. Also some really good Easter chocolate and a malted milk egg or two.

Good luck with your drive. We're driving today too, but in a southward direction.

Happy Easter weekend to all.

George, Richardson Fan, Fumio and any other Obama admirer I have missed: welcome to C List, and good luck to you in being the loyal opposition to the prevailing proClinton slant here.

Be good reinforcements to Warren in keeping up a principled and informative campaign.

You might not change minds of any regulars posting voluminously here, but there are lots of lurkers who read your comments too.

Happy first weekend of Spring to all. May this spring be a time of growth and renewal for all of us.

"I don't think his article helps the discussion one little bit. As did Obama's speech (but at least Obama was much nicer and more eloquent), it spent too much time pointing fingers than trying to start a real dialog "

I agree, Wendy. While I agree with PB that Obama used his speech to change the conversation, I disagree with his "these people are better off" theory. God, I've heard that one forever.

What neither the speech nor the article addresses is how to best deal with anything. Both just finger wag.

i think a majority of obama supporters have made a mistake in judging obama too early in the race. it was easy for him too look confident and presidential when everything was going his way. when everybody 's telling him how great he is.when he had 24/7 positive media coverage. one week of negative coverage and he looks shaken and nervous 'defensive. you don't get the full measure of a person in good times' thats easy
it's only when they face adversity'that you can judge someones character. he is'nt holding up very well under the pressure

How Ironic that BHO was first question as was he black enough to win AA votes, now his campaign is becoming divisive and taking the country backwards. So Sad

"regulars posting voluminously "

As opposed to what you and other Obama supporters do. Everyone is welcome here and invited to post their thoughts.

If the aggrieved Obama supporters spent more time on their arguments and less time on imagined insults the discussion would be much different.

Let's keep this thread going.

Meanwhile, Stinky says I must spend my morning working in the yard. She says it's therapeutic. As usual she's right. But, I'm loath to acknowledge that fact to her. It must be residual testosterone.

Peace
Om Ma Ni Pab Mae Hum.

Butter: what you did is called "projection", in psychological terms:

"If the aggrieved Obama supporters spent more time on their arguments and less time on imagined insults the discussion would be much different."

You are one sick puppy.

So Flatus you are on the way to enlightenment

Dex so sorry about the weather, So I will not mention we are in sunny 70's and I will be leaving soon for an outdoor water polo match to watch my daughter

GOP sees Rev. Wright as path to victory

"Now, with the emergence of the notorious video showing the Rev. Jeremiah Wright damning the country, criticizing Israel, faulting U.S. policy for the Sept. 11 attacks and generally lashing out against white America, GOP strategists believe they’ve finally found an antidote to Obamamania.

Just as with John F. Kerry and the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth in 2004, Republican strategists view the Wright flap as deeply damaging to Obama because it strikes at the message, or set of principles, at the heart of his candidacy.

In Obama’s case, the core of his appeal has been that he transcends race and is more inclined toward conciliation than combat.

"This is a guy who associates with some real haters,” he added.

Perhaps most damaging for Obama, his opponents now have the powerful video to make that case.

“You don’t have to say that he’s unpatriotic; you don’t question his patriotism,” he added. “Because I guaran-damn-tee you that, with that footage, you don’t have to say it."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9116.html

I am so proud of this column. You all, well most, have it right. I sent Richardson an email. appalling his endorsement, knowing what he does about Obama. It was sick. But then again, his endorsement is not worth much in my estimation. Hillary will get more money from me for her campaign in honor of him. haha
Hillary stay in there and fight!!! She will wipped the floor with him in PA.
As for MSNBC, I have boycotted it and so have some of my friends, sick network.
Also I think more will come out on Obama just give it time. Wonder what they found in his passport file?

You are one sick puppy.

Posted by: dog hussein dog | March 22, 2008 8:34 AM

Nice name calling. More great arguments from the Obama side.

Alas...I must depart to immerse myself into Jack Kerouac's jazz influences...but much of it is listening to Kerouac read while backed up by some nice blues...so it's not all bad.

Here's one thing Obama could have addressed: the many ways blacks are discriminated within the health insurance industry. Of course he wouldn't do that because he is just as corporate as Hillary if not more so.

And aboout Richardson and any other superdelegate....you never know where those people are really coming from. My congressman is rabidly pro Obama. Why? Because he's an arch conservative Democrat who tried to get Hillary to compromise on her health care plan back in the day. She shut him down. Now, maybe she should have compromised, I don't know. But I do like the fact that she didn't back down.

Patsi:

I'm so glad I don't have to deal with my Rep. being an Obama supporter - my Rep is a Hillary supporter and surrogate

Otherwise she might find some young opponent coming up against her in the next election.

;-)

Now...back to Jack.

The Clinton’s are named defendants in a Civil Fraud Case connected to Campaign Finance irregularities and have not disclosed the appeal of the case. There will be a trial date set at a hearing on April 25th, just 3 days after the key Pennsylvania Primary for the Fraud Case Paul v. Clinton in the Los Angeles Superior Court. Plaintiff says he will call Gov Rendell will be a witness in the case. He probably should not be raising funds for Michigan until he has answered questions about this 2000 Clinton Fundraiser. From what I understand, this case began when prior to Sen. Clinton’s 2000 New York Senate campaign and also raised donations for Pres. Clinton’s Library.

We don’t know the Clinton’s side of the story because they have not disclosed this. But Peter Paul tells his side of the story on Video.

Just Google: “Hillary Uncensored”
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7007109937779036019

Los Angeles Superior Court of Appeals: http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org
Then click on Civil Case Summaries and enter case number to see case history.
Case Number: BC304174
Los Angeles Superior Court Public Information Office at (213) 974-5227.

"Here's one thing Obama could have addressed: the many ways blacks are discriminated within the health insurance industry. Of course he wouldn't do that because he is just as corporate as Hillary if not more so" Patsi

By the time the legislation passed the Senate, in May 2004, Obama had written three successful amendments, at least one of which made key changes favorable to insurers.

"Most significant, universal healthcare became merely a policy goal instead of state policy - the proposed commission, renamed the Adequate Health Care Task Force, was charged only with studying how to expand healthcare access. In the same amendment, Obama also sought to give insurers a voice in how the task force developed its plan.

Lobbyists praised Obama for taking the insurance industry's concerns into consideration"

I need better health care because I am a

Good Morning Craig, Everyone:

Interesting little sidebar of how MSNBC is in the tank for Senator Obama, CBS has a poll that shows 63% of people approved of Senator Obama’s speech, but in a satellite link interview Alex Whitt rounded off 63% to 70%. I was always taught in math class in order to round off to the next tens unit it would have to have been 65+% otherwise it should have been rounded off to 60% not 70%

LOL ok so I’m splitting hairs I need some slack lol it has not been a great week for Hillary supporters.

Sincerely,
Heather

Am I missing something? Neither one of them will make it to 2,025, correct?

Wendy, enjoy the Kerouac. It's probably the set I got on cassette in 1992, with Steve Allen backing Jack's readings. I don't think Kerouac made any other sets like that. I just finished a 2-page a day read of Kerouac's "Maggie Cassidy", one of my fave Kerouac novels. It's just a wonderful story.

Richardson making the rounds today..
He drank the kool-aide? And wants to hide under a blanket and pull the party together - Sorry Bill - this vetting now is only a start.
Of course the MSM is also trying to reconcile their own injustice by protecting BHO - so maybe Bill is correct - BHO will get the softball treatment.
Maybe Richardson is on to something - to bad it is not the truth

Even the Huffobama recognizes Peter Paul as a whack job. Anyone can file a civil suit.

I am one of those FL people that feel left out. Our FL Reps screwed up the Dem primary and the Dems suffered. If we don't count now, don't look for my money or support in Nov.

Dear Craig:
You are are tuned into my tv for this coming Monday morning 6.30 est. And Craig let Joe know there is the "Craig Brigade" humbly but tempered with assertiveness that MSNBC should give you a show. They have an open slot all they need do is can the doc block nonsense and that allows an additional hour per day for you to host your own show on MSNBC.

Sincerely,
Heather

There has already been a criminal trial on the issues of the Peter Paul Case and the Clinton side was aquitted.

Flatus

Wonderful post. It just made me angrier at the blathering of Chris Matthews yesterday. His attempts to excuse his own racism by attributing it to everyone of his era was insulting to the memories of people like Andrew Goodman, who made the ultimate sacrifice to promote racial equality.

I don't think the Richardson endorsement is going to have much impact. His appearances today amount to gossip about his conversation with Senator Clinton.
I am sure for every Hispanic vote he might attract, members of the LGBT community will be glad they are with Senator Clinton.

How did that Kennedy endorsement work out?

obama does'nt pass the 'foxhole test with me
if you were in a pitched life and death battle with an enemy that does'nt take prisoners who would you want in the foxhole with you ? think i'd have to go with clinton' that is one tough lady

"Democrats so divided that the party collapses and destroys itself, because party moderates finally get tired of the extreme left control of the agenda in the nominating process. "

This is the one that worries me simply because it is the one that led the Republicans down the path to destruction. After reaching its extreme with the disaster of the Bush 43 presidency, the far right has imploded under the weight of its own evil and hubris leaving them with a candidate that is the last man standing only because he has a fewer corporate connections and more left leaning tendencies.

Can Sen. Obama beat him. Possibly. Will either one be good for the country. NO.

Patsi

"Here's one thing Obama could have addressed: the many ways blacks are discriminated within the health insurance industry. Of course he wouldn't do that because he is just as corporate as Hillary if not more so."

This is the main reason I am hoping still for an Edwards endorsement of Sen Clinton. He can't be hurt by the political winds blowing through the party, so he might as well do the right thing to bring about the health care he envisions.

Dear Craig:
I hope it is an "in studio" appearence on Morning Joe rather than a satellite link up.

I say that because I have seen you on many satellite link ups and many times you have tried to get a point across but interupted or cut short due to time constraints, hard breaks etc, it frustrates me cause I would have loved to hear the point you are trying to convey but unfortunately deprived of it.
I suppose thats the hazzard of these short live interview segments.

Sincerely,
Heather

Senator Obama seems to be hung up on this "typical white person" stuff I'd love for him to expand his personal definition of just what constitutes a typical white person.

I'm seriously thinking of changing my true name "Heather" to my alter ego "Typical White Female" in honor of the messiah Obama :-))

--Heather

i dont think hillary should get out until the covention .....the dem party needs to be rebuilt and modernized....the old far left liberals dont want clinton because she will govern from the center not the far left just like bill did ..... he is now hated by that wing of the party as all can see by this campaign.......220 million to rebuild harlem and many other things he did for the black community...are conveniently tossed a side....the old liberals (kennedy, kerry et al) will control obama.........
i have to blame the DNC for all this hate ....the primary system they have is a horror story ... all these months of campaigning ...and strippimg the the fourth and eighth largest states of their delagates.... .caucus's where 2 percent of voters pick the winner.....open primaries where outsiders can pick the winner.......super delagates where the winner is picked for political reasons...proportional distribution of delagates ....this set up is geared for no one to win 2025 delagates ....HRC wins 3 states obama wins one state and she only gains 7 delagates....what kind of genius came up with this math .....the more candidates are on the road the more they have to attack to try to separate themselves ...the more their electorate gets hateful and start saying things that are outrageous...15 months and still going ...thay cant keep saying the same thing so they resort to throwing things against the wall to see what sticks.....DNC created this mess and deserve to be laughed at....maybe this should go to the convention and tear this dem party apart so it can be rebuilt with some sanity and common sense

There are so many things wrong with that Buchanan article that it would take me a book to reply. He lists a few good things to make them look like a cure when they actually made the situation worse.

Simply start with 350 years of slavery, abuse, and destruction of culture and families followed by 50 years of pretty much white designed benevolence that now says, "all better now. What's your problem?"

End result: Those who were already educated and accomplished started to meld into what is still a predominantly white culture while leaving behind those who were most disadvantaged. Are those left behind often their own worst enemy? Sure they are, but you don't change those conditions by telling them to shape up because they are so lucky to be there.

as far as I'm concerned obama is a little twerp.

obama get a free ride from the media......he says he dosnt have papers for his 8 years in ill senate ,,,,,,,,he has lied on about 7 different and nothing is said ....he is a member of achurch that has in its doctrine thats whites are the problem in this country ......etc.....etc.....everything he says is gospel .....clinton is being harrased for he years as first lady ....11000 pages of her schedules ...and now they are ready to release 20.000 pages of her phone logs ......i would like to see obamas phone records for the last 10 years ...i bet they will tell quit a story ....but noooo he wont even be asked about anything because he is the media candidate ......talk about democracy .....one candidate is brutalized and the other is cannonized.........this system has to be changed .......if all this rev wright fiasco was reported in november he would have been toast ...but the media protected him ......i have no love for sean hannity but i give him credit for ballls that no democrat has ,,,,,he will keep pushing until obama is completely vetted ....

Craig
You are Soooooooooo in in the tank for Obama. ;-0
I would threaten to leave but I don't want to read all those 'don't let the door hit you in the ass" comments.

To give you my real thoughts about Richardson. First , it must be living where I live but I don't think of Richardson as being Hispanic. He just looks too ordinary suburban like, not like Tip O'Neil looked Irish.

My other thoughtis, if this is the way the great Pooh bahs in the party think they can solve the little problem that has been created here, then we are screwed. The democratic party needs its Jamies and Patsies. Richardson's way will just alienate them.

Jack

It is kind of ironic that Richardson would make the age argument against Clinton. I guess that means he is taking himself out of the vp race...he certainly is not the new generation.

Wasn't he the one who made the experience argument?

"He owed the Clintons support. It makes him untrustworthy to me."

If anything - this should make you trust him more. Yet of course Clinton supporters accept - as dogma - all the statements from Clinton loyalists like Carville, Gov, Rendell, etc. You all think there analysis is "spot on" - even though it is obviously biased...

Oh - and don't let me forget Pat B. - he is advocating for Clinton - and if you don't think he has the GOP interests at the top of his list - you are the ones being naive....

Wendy:

"I (and several people I know) won't support a party OR a candidate that would support the disenfranchisement of over 2 million voters - especially since it appears that these voters will be disenfranchised for personal political gain."

Did you get these talking points from the Clinton Campaign or the GOP.

I thought you people were all about the Democratic Party. Sounds more and more like you are saying "Hillary or bust."

Later - got to take Lucy to get a hair cut.

Jack:

If you tried to leave - I'd block the door!

Warren,

Up line I said what I thought of Buchanan. About the only points I am willing to give him is that at least someone is questioning the over the top media slobber for Sen Obama. Other than that, you are absolutely right and he is far right. The only one more in the tank of the Republicans is his sister Bay.

"“Mr. Richardson’s endorsement came right around the anniversary of the day when Judas sold out for 30 pieces of silver, so I think the timing is appropriate, if ironic,” Mr. Carville said, referring to Holy Week. "

ouch...LOL...but true

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/22/us/politics/22richardson.html

God Richardson thinks a lot of himself.

Memo to Richardson:

You are irrelevant...that's why nobody voted for you...your political career is over for 2 reasons: 1) If Obama gets the nomination he will lose in the general election and you'll become a footnote or 2) Hillary will win the nomination and she won't return your calls when you come back begging for forgiveness. Get over yourself Richardson - all you've done is stoke up Hillary's fund raising. I know several people that have donated because of you.

"I thought you people were all about the Democratic Party. Sounds more and more like you are saying "Hillary or bust."

Warren, here's another thought.

We actually care about the country before we care about the party and genuinely believe that Sen Obama is a mistake.

How divided is the opinion nationally about Clinton/Obama?

Gallup Daily Tracking

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105559/Gallup-Daily-Clinton-Now-47-Obamas-45.aspx

"You are irrelevant...that's why nobody voted for you."

This is one of several similar comments from her supporters this AM. I think that that would be good enough for me to feel good about supporting BHO.

It's time for Tom and Daisy to quit. Maybe Uncle Vernon will tell them..lol How ironic.!

Wendy:

Another example of Clinton supporters absolutely trashing, throwing under the bus, etc. anyone who comes out to support Obama.

I thought before this thing started - you people liked Kennedy, Richardson, etc.

Now you are trashing Democratic leaders just like the Right Wing attack machine.

Oh Warren - there you go again - refuse to face the facts.

O' is a liar

O' is a cheater

O' is only interested in himself and his political career

and O' has been exposed for the shyster he is.

Keep hope alive Warren - but I'm not alone in my feelings about you're precious O' -

He stalled on MI and FL because he would lose those elections and probably go into the convention behind at the very least in the popular vote and maybe even in delegates - his actions are for his own political gain - everything he's ever done is for his own advancement -

When asked about the slums his friend (and admitidly STILL FRIEND) Rezko ran in Obama's district...what is his answer: I didn't know.

Now THAT'S living HIS words.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/06/fix_pick_bill_richardson_and_t.html

And Warren - most everyone here was very critical of the PB piece...adds nothing but hate to the conversation...I'm sure your remark was a way of subtly implying that Clinton supporters are racists.

Talk about talking points - looks like you learned a few things from the Obama campaign as well.

There is a process and it's been in place for quite some time. Whoever has more votes and delegates wins....period. Not whoever wins the largest states. Not whoever can embellish their resume the most.

The Clinton's have already severely damaged their legacy with their strongest supporters....the African-American community. Bill's antics in SC, equating a giant movement like Obama's to Jesse Jackson's win in SC, calling Barack's opposition to the war 'a fairy tale,' Clinton supporters smearing a fine and decent American like Obama who happens to be the most gifted politician I've ever seen (including Reagan and Bill Clinton), and on and on. They are shameless in their pursuit.

Two terms were not enough, They want it all and Hillary obviously feels a total sense of entitlement. They will wreck and destroy anyone that gets in their way.

Being first lady has never qualified someone to be president. The embelishment of Hillary's experience resume is sickening! Barack has actually been an elected official longer than Hillary and he doesn't have to claim he dodged sniper fire and ran for his life on the tarmac in Bosnia. Amazing. Totally Amazing how many lies the Clinton campaign will tell to get what they seek.

I was an ardent Clinton supporter. I've visited the Clinton birthplace in Hope, AK. I've been to the library in Little Rock. I even have Clinton watermellon seeds! I am totally turned off to their antics and have lost all respect for both Bill and Hillary, as have many other Americans.

The best thing the Clintons can do is face reality. The math is not doable. They have lost this race and in my view that would not have happened had they taken an honest, high road to the nomination.

While the 90s were good, let's not forget the wagging finger, Don't ask, don't tell, NAFTA, Bill's big anti-drug push (only to pardon his own brother for drug offenses), and all the other scandals. Now records show Hillary was in the White House while Bill frolicked in the Oval office with Monica. I personally do not want the Dem party tarnished by more of the 90s. type Clinton mistakes. They had their chance. He was impeached. Can we tolerate another four or eight years of that type of scandals and remain a viable party? I don't think so.

Hillary supporters- we'll just have to ride this news about Richardson out. The Obama camp is freaking out. The whole thing was designed to make us forget about Obama's problems. The "networks" are acting like it's over!!(again).The people of PA won't let us down.

BTW Warren:

You are mistaken

I despise Kennedy always have. For the most part, not a fan of the Kennedy's in general. I've posted here in detail about this.

My problem with Richardson, I will admit, did not start until the Sunday morning show before OH/TX where he played endorsement word games and showed himself to be the chump he is.

I'm not going to endorse. Endorsements don't mean anything. I still might endorse. Endorsements don't mean anything.

Then following that up with Hillary should drop out of the race the day after OH/TX

He's proven himself to be a political opportunist...and so yes he deserves a few tire marks on his face.

"There is a process and it's been in place for quite some time. Whoever has more votes and delegates wins....period. " ERR

Wrong. The winner is whomever get the
needed number of votes. That's when the contest is over.

Obama damaged Bill Clinton it was the only way he could win.

The only reason Obama is desparate to shut down the race is because he is losing. All of the up coming states including NC are trending to Clinton.

Obama's campaign made a big deal out of Clinton allegedly being afraid to compete in SC. Well who is afraid now?

At least get your facts right,

I am a lifelong Democrat who started this election proud of my party, but now am utterly embarrassed.

Why do we have such a ridiculous, Rube Goldberg system for choosing our party's standard bearer?! Somebody with the stature of a John Edwards had better come out and clearly explain the purpose and the role of Super Delegates. NOT Howard Dean or Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reed who are all classic examples of incompetent leaders who have the clarity and effectiveness of the Mad Hatter hosting Alice's Tea Party.

Are Super Delegates just there to rubber stamp the decision of their constituates? And if so, then how can John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, and now Bill Richardson turn their backs on the decisions of the voters in their states? What is their purpose and mission??? Who ever comes out as our nominee is going to be weakened and compromised by this convoluted, secretive, "Democratic" system. It makes the Tax Code seem clear, straightforward and equitable.

Some neutral, respected Democrat had better explain this ridiculous system to everyone, and do it quick. Because I, for one, am embarrassed and angry, and I agree with the conservative pundits who laugh dismissively at our insane system. I am ready to bolt the party for good.

"While the 90s were good, let's not forget the wagging finger, Don't ask, don't tell, NAFTA, Bill's big anti-drug push (only to pardon his own brother for drug offenses), and all the other scandals. Now records show Hillary was in the White House while Bill frolicked in the Oval office with Monica. I personally do not want the Dem party tarnished by more of the 90s. type Clinton mistakes. They had their chance. He was impeached. Can we tolerate another four or eight years of that type of scandals and remain a viable party? "

These type of screeds by liberal wing nuts have me questioning if it is worth it to stay in the Democratic party. Their idea of debate is to attack and tear down.

Jack

Err

There are so many errors in your post that I'll only tackle one.

Impeachment is simply accusation. Once the trial was held he was found not guilty. It was a far right kangaroo court from beginning to end.

"It sounds more like McCarthy," McPeak said. "I grew up, I was going to college when Joe McCarthy was accusing good Americans of being traitors, so I've had enough of it."

I agree, WJC or anyone in her campaign should quit insinuating that Sen. Obama is not patriotic.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/another-bill-clinton-mome_n_92818.html

Hillary supporters- we'll just have to ride this news about Richardson out. The Obama camp is freaking out. The whole thing was designed to make us forget about Obama's problems. The "networks" are acting like it's over!!(again).The people of PA won't let us down.

Posted by: Gayle | March 22, 2008 11:16 AM

Here's why they are freaking out.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/

These type of screeds by liberal wing nuts have me questioning if it is worth it to stay in the Democratic party. Their idea of debate is to attack and tear down.

Jack

Posted by: whskyjack |

Are you referring to the Obama wing nuts or the Hillary wing nuts?

Do you think there are no wing nuts in the Republican party?

Jack....I'm not sure that guy is a liberal wing nut. The following sure sounds like regurgitated right wing crap to me:

"I personally do not want the Dem party tarnished by more of the 90s. type Clinton mistakes. They had their chance. He was impeached. Can we tolerate another four or eight years of that type of scandals and remain a viable party? ""

I wonder if this means Richardson is retiring after his term is up. I thought he would run for the open senate seat but it sounds like he will be making room for someone else --younger hopefully someone who will add to the diversity in the Senate.

Another subject-What was with the confetti at the Richardson endorsement yesterday? BIG DEAL!! Who are they trying to scam? Whoever said Obama is worried has it right. Just let the people vote. As far as the so called news anchors-we don't care who you are for. I don't mind when the talking heads for each side give an opinion,but all the "neutral journalists" are out of control. Props to ABC for breaking the Wright story. Everyone else was burying it. What have we become?

"Impeachment is simply accusation. Once the trial was held he was found not guilty. It was a far right kangaroo court from beginning to end.'

I always like how women and in particular feminists defend this guy and his behavior toward them. I won't go as far as calling him a rapist as the far right does but, there are facts and not just accusations to go with it all. He did lose his bar license for a reason, and a reason behind that reason.

WJC is the single biggest reason I never supported her. I'm don't want to see any more sexual harassment in the WH.
i think Rommey put it best with his debate comments.

I can not support a political party that feels it acceptable to not count votes from the citizens of Michigan and Florida.

They have to count the votes.

Proud Liberal

"Social Security, Medicare, Unions, Civil Rights,
Voter Rights, Anti-lynching Laws, Child Labor Laws
Min. Wage, 40 Hour Work Week"

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being liberal, but I would like to point out that all of those items were Socialist programs that could only pass into law via legislation crafted with the assistance and votes of moderates. If you think for a second that Democrats such as Hubert Humphrey have anything in common with today's "liberals", you need to study a little history.

JFK and RFK would be taking the baby Teddy to the woodshed along about now.

I won't go as far as calling him a rapist as the far right does but, there are facts and not just accusations to go with it all. He did lose his bar license for a reason, and a reason behind that reason.

But you are happy to deal in false innuendo.
Nice to see the real reasons come out. A bunch of puritans who hate the Clintons have found a happy home with Obama. You have nothing to say about Obama, it's all about hatng the Clintons.

Labeling President Clinton as a rapist is about as disgusting as it gets. Of course this is from the same group calling him a racist.

You have certainly put the level of conversation here to a new low. As an Obama supporter you must be very proud.

Hi again , I'm sorry for all my posts today! This is the last today. I guess I'll have to change over to Obama now that the girl in the ad has said she is for Obama!!?? What the hey? A seventeen year old "actress" has ANYTHING to say about it. Who is desperate now. Me thinks Obama protests too much.

"He did lose his bar license for a reason,"

Yes. It's called perjury. He was asked questions that had nothing to do with the trial underway and he lied. Lying under oath can cost you your licens. In any case, I think a multiple bypass might have slowed him down some in that department.

Again, none of this has anything whatsoever with how good a President Senator Clinton would be. I am always amazed by the number of people who think she should have just thrown away the father of her beloved daughter, and a marriage of a quarter century just because a man she loved and respected for a lot of reasons was a dog in other areas. Sex and fidelity is only one part of a marriage.

Since at least 60% of the married men cheat on their wives, by your reasoning there should be a lot more divorces.

Proud liberal used this list to make a point:

Social Security, Medicare
Unions, Civil Rights
Voter Rights, Anti-lynching Laws
Child Labor Laws, Min. Wage
40 Hour Work Week

When Jack was talking about the "left wing of the
liberal" crowd, he was not dissing "liberals."

He was talking about a generation of holier-than-thou people like those that reside at Kos and TPM, and chastise Hillary Clinton for working with the other party, while blindly following the guy running on a platiform based around working with the other party.

By the way, in your little laundry list, I noticed you didn't mention ANYTHING about women. Oh, yeah -- I forgot that part of this new liberal left movement is to opine that giving some on women's right to choose might be a good idea.

STEPHANIE SALTER: Stop the presses — Hillary is a real human being
By Stephanie Salter
The Tribune-Star

TERRE HAUTE — According to her enemies and much of the national news media, Hillary Rodham Clinton is cold, robotic, calculating, vindictive and about as personable as surgical steel.

Tell that to Josephine Sullivan.

I could not find a link since it was sent to me by my son. But I am sure you all can find it. Very nice article, but something we already new about Senator Clinton.

"I always like how women and in particular feminists defend this guy and his behavior toward them. "

ROFL, Rez. Feminists don't live in other people's pants.
Most of us figure that's between Hill and Bill.

Keystone Democrats Set to Defect

"In the new Franklin & Marshall College Poll (read it HERE) some good news for Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, and some troubling news for Democrats.

Clinton leads Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, 51% to 35% -- increasing her lead from February, when she was up 44% to 37%. She leads among young voters, wealthier voters...voters in virtually every demographic group, with the exceptions of Philly voters and non-whites.

In a sign of just how divisive and ugly the Democratic fight has gotten, only 53% of Clinton voters say they'll vote for Obama should he become the nominee. Nineteen percent say they'll go for Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and 13% say they won't vote.

Grim."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/keystone-democr.html

Personally, I don't care much that Richardson endorsed Obama. He obviously wanted to change the media attention.

What did bother me was something Richardson said during the endorsement. He started talking about his reasons, and said it was when he looked in the faces of the Obama supporters. He indicated that they just had a special "look" when they listened to him.

Well, that "look" is what has bothered me all along.

Just a little too fawning for me.

Here is the Stephanie Salter article

http://www.tribstar.com/stephanie_salter

It says what virtually every other person who knows her says, but the anti Clinton folks don't want to know what a caring and warm human being she is. They like their cold, calculating and manipulative right wing image so much more.

"In any case, I think a multiple bypass might have slowed him down some in that department."

And the excuses just keep coming.

Next time i read the comments where some woman say's, she had it coming...' I'll think back to here.

Jamie, I think this is one subject we'll never agree on. . . .

What I don't understand about the whole "supporting the Democratic Party" argument is how some people keep saying "We don't want another Clinton in the White House!" I get the feeling that a lot of people who have been here over the last few months didn't like Bill Clinton as President. I mean , I hear a lot of people talking bad about past Democratic presidents or presidential nominees and wonder if some people have liked any Democrat Presidents or nominees before Obama came along?

Rezdog

Shouldn't you be hounding Gov Paterson out of office given your standards, I am sure your moral outrage compells you to start the campaign.

hey...
I see this entire fight as ridiculous......

of course Richardson is a political opportunist......
anyone want to try to name me a politician (especially one that ran to be president) who isn't.....

they ALL are..... that's a given in my book...... they are ALL self-serving....
they ALL have to compromise their values once elected to office to get anything done..... both parties..... and independents too....

this fight goes around and around and goes NOWHERE...... never has.... never will......

ALL politicians running for president make stump speeches that promise all sorts of things that NEVER come to fruition....

as a voter.... you do the best you can to sort out the bullshit and pick the one that speaks the most to you..... if that choice offends someone...... TOUGH!...

the only thing that most citizens can control in this whole process is whom they choose to vote for.....

in all the years I was an election official..... I lost my cool only once.....
a newly naturalized citizen from Greece was adamant that he was getting into the voting booth with his wife in order to make sure she voted correctly.....
everyone stood around not sure what to do..... but kept calling out to him to get out of her booth.... all 4'11" of me went flying into that booth and promptly told him to get his butt into his own booth ..... he tried to explain to me it was ok because she was his wife and it was his duty to make sure she voted correctly...... I was furious and read him the riot act about how in this country NO ONE had the right to decide how someone else voted except the individual themselves..... he refused to move, so I called the cop presiding at the election over to deal with him..... he moved his butt then....

I will not judge anyone here or anywhere else on whom they choose to vote for..... that is every individual's right in this country......

you don't like it..... move to Greece....

Well, now we know where Oprah went. On a feeding frenzy

http://www.celebitchy.com/10247/oprah_winfrey_hits_246_pounds_claims_enquirer/

Oh I see, now,

"In any case, I think a multiple bypass might have slowed him down some in that department."

the ultimate saltpeter. lol We'll see

Impeachment is not an accusation. It is a legal process albeit one part of two. The first is impeachment. The second is removal from office. A simple majority is needed to impeach. Bill Clinton was not just accused.

Bill Clinton was impeached on December 19, 1998 by the House of Representatives on grounds of perjury to a grand jury (by a 228–206 vote) and obstruction of justice (by a 221–212 vote).

No other articles of impeachment on a count of perjury in the Jones case (by a 205–229 vote), and one accusing President Clinton of abuse of power (by a 48–285 vote). President Clinton was acquitted of the obstruction charge by a 5 to 50 vote in the Senate.

Note: A person can be impeached but not removed from office as was the case with Bill Clinton.

Whether impeached or removed......it's slime at it's worst. The only thing slimier I've seen from them since is their conduct in this campaign.

I'm not a liberal nut. I am a Reagan Republican that crossed over to vote for WJC...both times. I'm also white and sickened by their attempts to destroy Barack Obama.

Hillary claims she and John McCain bring a lifetime of experience to whereas Obama brings a speech. Disgusting to the core!

ROFL, Rez. Feminists don't live in other people's pants.
Most of us figure that's between Hill and Bill.

Patsi,

You hold Donna Brazille responsible. I look to Bill Clinton as much as anything for 2000.

"Even here, with bright people commenting, remarks such as Bear's yesterday evening making us white people personally responsible for 350-years of hateful repression, are simply over the top and deeply divisive."

Flatus, so if I understand you correctly, I am being divisive by pointing out how after the American Government stacked the deck in favor of white America, which necessitated the use of Affirmative Action to try to make the slightest amends? I think you are proving my point. Any person of color that I know doesn't wan't special favors, we want a level playing. I find many in white America are afraid to compete on that level arena.

Again, the comment I made yesterday was based on how quickly white, who started losing deals they once had to minority businesses, were quick to complain about reverse racism. How long has it been since the start of Affirmative Action until conservatives got cases to the supreme court and started winning? I would say less than 30 years.

Now I'm no math major, but 350 is greater than 30. The real division I see is that we have a group that likes to dish it out but has neither the stomach nor the constitution to take it when the favor is returned.

In a country like South Africa, I could understand the genuine fear the white population could have had when the ANC took over. I haven't researched this topic deeply, but from the feedback I have gotten from a couple of white South African friends I have, it was nowhere near as bad as they thought it would be.

I have long argued that the issue has always been more about economics than race...however the Republican party was able to use the race issue as a wedge to attract voters who would receive no economic benefit doing so.

The average family living in poverty is white, lives in a rural area and has 2.2 kids. When the issue comes up in campaigns, conservatives always talk about the black mother in the ghetto popping out kids to pad her welfare check. For the record, each new child only added about $20 per month in the 90's and I don't think that changed much now.

I will post again shortly about my connection with interracial dating attitudes amongst blacks and whites and this current campaign shortly.

Rezdog

Don't forget Senators Vitter and Craig.

You must shiver with digust every time you see your hero with Ted Kennedy, a notorious womanizer whose careless drunken behavior resulted in a woman's death. How do you stand it?

"Craig let Joe know there is the "Craig Brigade" humbly but tempered with assertiveness that MSNBC should give you a show. "

I keep hoping for a Crawford/Maddow show. Of course that much intelligence, sensitivity, and clarity in one room at MSNBC would probably demonstrate to Matthews et al what total tools they are.

WJC is the single biggest reason I never supported her. I'm don't want to see any more sexual harassment in the WH.

i think Rommey put it best with his debate comments.

Posted by: Rezdog | March 22, 2008 11:57 AM

What a stupid reason for not supporting her. She is not her husband. Sheesh!

Rezdog,

Did you read the whole response? Are you married or have you ever been married? If so would you or did you just throw it all away because your feelings were hurt?

It is very easy to be noble and above it all when it isn't your life. Sen. Clinton made the choice that worked for her and her family. Who are you to tell her she was wrong? I certainly wouldn't second guess her decision about her own life. Isn't that what feminism is supposed to be about - making your own decisions?

I'd like to say thanks to everyone who commented on the Buchanan piece. I am going to read it again, more carefully. I feel uncomfortable that I agree with so much of it. Like everyone, I have my own racism issues to deal with. I am glad we are willing to have this discussion.

ERR

Legal definition of impeachment: impeachment (a formal document charging a public official with misconduct in office)

It is nothing but an accusation. It is made in the house. The trial is held in the Senate. He was NOT GUILTY.

The only other President to be impeached was Andrew Johnson. He was also found NOT GUILTY>

Bear

See my response about the PB article

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/richardsons-call-to-surrender.html#comment-56482

"I've read a great many of your posts, and it seems to me all the bashing based on gender is coming from your camp"

Somebody better look out for gender issues. The press doesn't give a flip.

Excellent observations, Renee.

" I am a Reagan Republican "

I should have guessed.

More thorough read:

Buchanan says that Obama proclaims: "The “white community” must invest more money in black schools and communities, enforce civil rights laws, ensure fairness in the criminal justice system and provide this generation of blacks with “ladders of opportunity” that were “unavailable” to Barack’s and the Rev. Wright’s generations."

I see nothing wrong with investing more money in schools and communities that need them, but I wouldn't make it race based, but income and poverty based. The fact that so many blacks live in poverty would mean that large investments would be made in their communities, but by making it class based the resentments over "race preferences" is minimized.

ALL civil rights laws should be VIGOROUSLY enforced. We have seen the results of unfair justice systems where white defendants and black defendants on trial for a similar crime result in differing sentences. The mere fact that more blacks are routinely given the death penalty proves Obama's point.

Not sure about the "ladders of opportunities" but again, make it poverty based. Heck, i benefited from one of those "social programs" in college. It was called KEY services .. KEEP ENHANCING YOURSELF. It was designed to help students who came from families without education, to remain committed to their education and help them succeed in an environment where they were never expected to be or achieve. I was also first generation... father no more than an 8th grade education, mother basic HS diploma. I was insecure as hell. People around me had their plans mapped out since they were kids. I read Hubert Humphrey's autobiography and it motivated me to seek education, even as I wasn't sure I could "cut it."

That's my first thoughts. Sorry for going on so long.

ET,

It's called "Clinton Fatigue". . . What a concept!
I don't trust her because of him. Sorry.

Fair or not, I'm ready to move on.

I hope that when the convention is over that y'all circle the wagons around whichever DEM is nominated. At that time my pit bull will enter the dog fight.

Sorry dog. ;-)

tt

Jamie,

My focus was not whether HRC should have stayed with him.
My original beef was about all the underlining crap with his impeachment and how women (dems) always defend him, when he clearly is guilty of sexual harassment in the workplace. And therefore I have lost respect for him.

jamie - Yeah, the last guest on Tucker's show told him that although they disagreed with each other, he appreciated being allowed to finish his sentences and make his point (or something to that effect). Anyway, it was clearly a reference to Tweety-I-love-the-sound-of-my-own-voice-Matthews. Chris is OK, but the over-talking is tiresome.

rr - I wold've paid good money to see the tiny, tornado go after that guy. Wow.! You have booths up there?

We have these Inspector Gadget-type briefcases-with-legs voting booths in TX. (They apparently load the ballot with what appears to be an 8-track tape; it's very odd.) No privacy. Everyone in that cramped little space is staring right over your shoulder. The only problem while I was there this year was a Muslim woman who was offended when a precinct worker made her put her Obama literature in her purse.

Hey, I learned that lesson the hard way long ago when I showed up in my candidate's tee-shirt & was told to zip up my jacket so the logo was out of view...but I didn't argue with anyone or take offense to it.

What happened to Richardson watching sports with his good buddy Bill? Is Richardson bucking for Veep? Is he really trying to buoy up Obama's campaign, or, was he just a rat waiting to see which ship to abandon? If that's the case, he should've jumped the political fence and hopped on McCain's boat. There is no way Obama can win the general & we are destined for more GOP rule. The Republicans will show no mercy & he won't be able to talk himself into the WH.

Off to a BBQ/egg hunt.
Have a good day!

"When they set out, it all looked so bright — away to the West, to the Denver convention, nothing but blue skies ahead. They had a continent to cross, a nation to convince, and they vowed to do it in a way that had never been done before."

Good editorial on Democratic electoral politics...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/22/opinion/22egan.html?th&emc=th

Very interesting discussion :)

Renee:
Sparkey & Clan send lots of
(((((((((((((((((((Hugs and Licks your way))))))))))))

Sincerely Heather

"Inspector Gadget-type briefcases-with-legs voting booths" blue excellent description. That's exactly what they look like.

tt

has anyone else reported about this?(I just found it)

Exclusive: Obama Connection to Terrorists Revealed by Talk Show Host

http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=8310

or this

Wright-HAMAS-Obama
http://savagepolitics.com/

this looks way too hot for teflon barry

Carolindawn,

Have you met Gordo from here? You guys need to talk.:)

Nope sure haven't - I've only been reading here about a month and posting only a few days (occasionally).

The more angry I get the more VAST my blogging experience takes me!@!

;-)

yea no one likes being bamboozled!

peace out

What I meant earlier , was that I don't remember Republicans not wanting GWB because his Father had recently been President. But , now a lot of people don't want McCain because they see him as a continuation of Bush's policies. Where was the cry for change when GWB ran for office the 1st and 2nd times?

Well , at least the 2nd time.

Rezdog

"..concerned about sexual harassment"

Richardson’s female LT GOV made a complaint to the press that Fat Bill groped her on a State Plane ride.

Richardson apoloized after other NM state workers came forward and said he was too touchy feely.

And there's this
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/mccainlieberman-the-sunshine-b.html#comment-56317

I know you will admonish the Obama campaign for accepting the endorsement of a admitted work place harasser

Geez,

Back already,

Forgotten, but not gone.

fcking sht. I just wrote a further piece dissecting Buchanan's attitude towards AA's an social programs.. THe fricken CAPTCHA damn thing didn't go right and I lost the whole post. I am gone.

When writing an exceptionally long comment, it is always a good idea to copy before sending.

This is for a very special person:

How Can I Miss You (When You Won't Go Away)
(Dan Hicks)

I've talked to your mother and I've talked to your dad,
They say they've tried but it's all in vain.
I've begged and I've pleaded, I even got mad,
Now we must face it, you give me a pain.

How can I miss you when you won't go away?
I keep telling you day after day,
But you won't listen, you always stay and stay,
How can I miss you when you won't go away?

Out of three billion people, why must it be me?
OhOh why, oh why won't you cut me loose?
D Do me a favor and listen to my plea
I'm not the only chicken in the roost.

Your never-ending presence really cramps my style,
I dream that it won't always be the same.
At first I was attracted, but after a while,
Have you ever heard of a "hard to get" dame?"

copyright Dan Hicks

fcking sht. I just wrote a further piece dissecting Buchanan's attitude towards AA's an social programs.. THe fricken CAPTCHA damn thing didn't go right and I lost the whole post. I am gone.

Posted by: EUROTOM | March 22, 2008 3:02 PM

Just got back from the Strand - a famous used book store in NYC. I bought a bunch of books for my upcoming travels (and I just have to brag to someone):

The Prophet - K. Gibran
Democracy in America - Tocqueville
The Love of the Last Tycoon - F. Scott Fitz
This Side of Paradise - F. Scott Fitz.
skinny legs and all - Tom Robbins
The Sound and the Fury - Faulkner
Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man - J. Joyce

(What chick in her right mind would not like a guy with a book list like that - probably one who reads the foregoing sentence ; )

Woohoo - we are back in real time!!

(except these "captcha"s or whatever are a true test for my failing eyesight....)

The good news is the posts are now up to speed.

(What chick in her right mind would not like a guy with a book list like that - probably one who reads the foregoing sentence ; )

You might add something by Anne Tyler or another female author depending upon the type of chick you are trying to attract..

Thanks STOP...

When writing an exceptionally long comment, it is always a good idea to copy before sending.

Posted by: STOP GETTING OUR HOPES UP | March 22, 2008 3:06 PM

Bravo to the CQ IT folks!
*clap!clap!clap!*

Carolina Dawn

he knew somebody who knew somebody who had dinner with somebody who contributed ........

Please. As indicated above, go talk to Gordo. There are limits to believability and you have stretched it to the breaking point.

Strand - a famous used book store in NYC.
Posted by: warren

My wife and I used to live in that bookstore.We miss it

Milquetoast

btw Tom, I did not copy this

fcking sht. I just wrote a further piece dissecting Buchanan's attitude towards AA's an social programs.. THe fricken CAPTCHA damn thing didn't go right and I lost the whole post. I am gone.

Posted by: EUROTOM | March 22, 2008 3:02 PM

Posted by: STOP GETTING OUR HOPES UP | March 22, 2008 3:08 PM

it must be that lonely guy just fukkin' around

Good point Marion.

I can say that Anne Rice is one of my favorites modern authors - and I have probably read more books written by her than anyone else I can think of.

Plus - I absolutely love Emily Dickinson.

There has always needed to be a country song:

If you won't leave, I'll find someone who will

but this comes close

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=848C60T05EE

Obama was just breaking down his Iraq position on Ballot Bowl...

He sure sounds like a Commander in Chief to me.

warren,
Since you like politics, might I suggest Jane Austen?

THANK GOD AND GREYHOUND YOU'RE GONE!

Dammit Jamie, now I got it playing in my head. heheheh it's perfect...

There has always needed to be a country song:

If you won't leave, I'll find someone who will

but this comes close

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=848C60T05EE

Posted by: Jamie | March 22, 2008 3:31 PM

Warren

He would sound a lot better if he didn't get his position almost verbatim from the Hillary Clinton website.

Bear

There is absolutely nothing I can say to you that will help relieve the rage resulting from the 350-years of, at best, condescension, and at worst, the most horrible brutalities that one class of human beings can force on another.

I apologize for the faults of my ancestors and, for my own shortcomings.

Wendy/EuroTom:

"ET wrote: "I say to Hillary... FIGHT... FIGHT to the very end. Go to Florida and Michigan and tell them to keep demanding that their states count. Point it out over and over until the DNC realises the mess they will be in if they ignore those two POWERFUL states."

I'm with you!!!

Richardson is irrelevant...wants to make himself relevant."

Pat B. is on board as well. I saw him saying this same thing recently.

Except blatantly throwing Richardson under the bus is something I have only heard here.

(Pat knows better - he just floats out these ideas - and then let's the Dems tear each other apart.)

Pat B. is no longer objective - the general election race is already underway.

(And remember - if HRC pulls down Obama's numbers by going negative - her general numbers will go down too - and the last thing the Clintons need are more negatives...)

If she wants to win - she needs to win. And tell Bill to shut up!!

Thanks Nancy! (Jane A. is definitely worth a look ; )

Warren, how much did your wonderful stack of books set you back?

When I lived in St Pete I would periodically go down to Haslam's, one of the world's great book stores.

Just checked. They're still open and have a web page!
http://www.haslams.com/

Jamie:

He is simply stating the correct position. And don't tell me HRC sat down and wrote out her website.

Any Democratic President will be pushing the Democratic Agenda - with the support of the Establishment.

(This too - will pass...)

Flatus:

$47.90

A steal for NYC!!

Alright folks - it is that time again.

This time entitled: "the afternoon delight"

Obama's Primary theme song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Unvr3mC_QJU

As always, for the Clinton supporters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtkVGClqrT4

Enjoy!

Warren

Check over your shoulder; that's a steal for anywhere!

I must admit I like the Dylan song better.

warren,
Women who like to discuss social issues and irony will pounce on you if they see you reading Austen. Good luck!

America needs to sober up about the anointed messiah Obama. I have never see the extreme left in my party act so obtuse and immature when it came to evaluating Obama’s speech on racism.

Some comparing it to Abraham Lincoln speeches, some said it should be enshrined in the National Archives, some actually suggested it actually be placed alongside the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

I am scratching my head, why stop there let us make it an official part of Christian canon law… and now a reading from the book of Obama a newly created book added to the Christian Bible. Yes, of course I sound silly and moronic just like the talking morons in the media.

Here is an original thought Obama is a man, a human being, with attributes and flaws and not everything he does should be considered historic, that word is so overused it can cause one to suffer anxiety attack. I am sick and tired of all this media insanity.

We should ask ourselves, if Hillary or Joe Biden, Chris Dodd, John Edwards or even Dennis Kucinich had made the exact same speech would the media have bloviated over the speech. I doubt it very seriously.

The fact is that while it was a very good speech it was like many political speeches that is to say it was “political” less than the sum of its parts. A large part of it was based on distortion, it was not very honest, it played on white liberal guilt and peppered with lies.

I have many media people, journalists, politicians, etc, saying not to base guilt by association. I beg to differ. In my heart, I honestly do believe that Senator Obama shares the radical views of Pastor Wright despite his denials. You simply do not stay in that church for twenty years if you do not share those views. Judging from what he says, he seems to be more critical of what he refers to as “typical white people” than African American people. He loves to talk about racial hang-ups of his grandmother and how they embarrassed and shamed him as a child but yet he was never ashamed or embarrassed by the extreme racial rantings of Pastor Wright. You can decide for yourselves whether there is hypocrisy there or not. Also in this so called great speech of his he lied at first he denied ever being there during controversial speeches of Pastor Wright two days prior to his speech then in his speech admitted being there.

If you connect the dots, the fact is that Obama and his wife share the radical Black Separatist views of Pastor Wright. All anyone needs to do is connect the dots it’s palpably obvious. Parse Pastor Wright’s sound bites the u.s. of kkk and _____America etc. You couple that with Michele Obama’s America is a mean country and the oldie but goodie on the Michele Obama hit parade “for the first time in my adult life I am proud of America”. Could it possibly be because of all the years she listened to Pastor Wright’s hatemongering?

Since his days in the Illinois state legislature, Barack Obama's position on health care has consistently devolved. Once a bold champion of medical care as a human right, Senator and presidential candidate Obama has become a timid advocate of failed "market-based" health care solutions, taking his lead from the private health insurance industry, and unwilling or unable to expose even the most transparently fraudulent policies and claims perpetrated on behalf of his campaign contributors. Yet he gave healthcare a prominent part in his speech. This man is playing liberals for fools. I said it before and I will say it again Obama is Jessie Jackson reinvented with good oratory skills and a Harvard Law degree but still a hustler.

--Heather

Nancy:

I "like to discuss social issues and irony." (except I am not so certain what the latter means ; )

Thanks again.

"Get over yourself [Wendy]."

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/richardsons-call-to-surrender.html#comment-56496

Another one for the Clinton people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ced8o50G9kg&NR=1

Do Clintonites like Bob Dylan?

Speaking of Michelle Obama, she certainly seems to have disappeared from the public eye since the Wright controversy boiled up. I certainly haven't seen her quoted anywhere lately. Did the campaign put her under house arrest? Or did I miss something?

My thinking is that she wasn't ready to be as politic and modulated in her defense of him as Barack was.

Warren...don't worry about Richardson getting thrown under the bus. It would probably be easier to throw a bus under him. :)

There's a man who leads a life of distortion
His liberal banter a contortion
With every sundbite he takes, another another lie he makes
Odds are you won't stump to crowds tomorrow

Secret Obama-man, secret Obama-Man
They've given you a number and taken 'way 'yo passport

Beware of divisive clergy that you find
A pastor's mouth can hide an evil mind
Ah, be careful what you say
Or you'll give yourself away
Odds are you won't stump to crowds tomorrow

Secret Obama-man, secret Obama-man
They've given you a number and taken 'way 'yo passport

The words have been changed from to protect Johnny Rivers original hit "Secret Agent Man"

Sorry, just a little play on words and political humor I could not resist.

--Heather

B. "DORIAN GRAY" OBAMA

I have come to a startling realization that BO is the incarnation of Oscar Wilde's "Dorian Gray" and that his mesmerized and enthralled supporters see only his transcendent perfection, while those lucky enough to still reason see him as DORIAN GRAY the painting.

B "Dorian Gray" O and his twenty year association with J. A. Wright and his pastor's open ties to Farrakhan make BO's portrait unattractive and repugnant.

Richard Cohen of the WP admitted to being a fawning reporter and in the tank for B "Dorian Gray" O on MOJO yesterday. Cohen and the MSM have made it nearly impossible for Hillary to get the nomination and BO has made it impossible for himself to be elected in the GE. I am a D who will vote for McC.

Milquetoast

Richard Nixon's 1968 comeback slogan:
"Tanned. Rested. Ready."

Bill Richardson's 2008 comeback slogan:
"Fat. Bearded. Disloyal."

When I worked at a grocery store , my boss and I were walking through the stockroom and we passed one of the chip vendors. My boss talked to the guy for a few seconds and when he walked away he said to the vendor "If I don't see you tomorrow......GOOD!" Of course , my boss was kidding. But , it was still pretty funny. Even the vendor laughed.

Patsi:

"Well, that "look" is what has bothered me all along."

That look is called inspiration and it should not be discounted. It is what will allow a new generation to ACTUALLY Rock the Vote this year.

(And like I have always said - the growing grassroots organization Obama is building can be parlayed into a real SURGE of public service. This is a good thing.)

And because of that "look" in their eyes - these people will not simply walk away after the general election - UNLESS Obama loses.

(You make take this as a threat - but it is just the facts ma'am.)

It also is not unique to us whipper-snappers (and I would be flattered to still be counted in that category ; ).

But Obama also inspires "experienced" law makers, journalists, etc. He has great support amongst the troops and good support from veterans.

And you may know better than me (since you are a self-proclaimed expert on the "great unwashed") - sometimes, it takes them a little bit longer to catch up. In my view - because they simply do not have the time to follow everything that is going on. That is why they elect people to take care of politics.

(but it is nice that Obama takes time to explain some of these difficult issues to America - instead of just providing sound bites for the pundits.)

The McCain campaign is coming alive. I contributed to it during the 2000 primary, but stopped supporting it after his waffling on the confederate flag deal. Stinky, our local daughter and I were in the crowd during the massive demonstration demanding that it be taken down NOW.

But I absolutely had to send him a check after shrub's hate mongering shrub attacks against him.

In any case, I've received three mailings from him this week including the mandatory autographed picture of him and Mrs McCain.

He says he's trying to raise $10M during the next 30-days.

Warren, what makes you believe that he has good support from the troops and veterans?

Warren,

During the earliest debates, Sen. Clinton was able to delineate her postion on Iraq quite succinctly while Sen. Obama's response was pretty much either a swallowed whole briefing book or "what she said ... me too".

No I don't think she wrote her web page. I do think that two times more experience on military committies than Sen. Obama's entire senatorial experience probably gave her a real good head start. It has taken him this long to catch up to where he no longer sounds like an echo or someone reading off a teleprompter.

Bill Richardson's 2008 comeback slogan:
"Fat. Bearded. Disloyal."

Posted by: LardassLiberal Author Profile Page | March 22, 2008 4:31 PM

Isn't an attribute to the Bush administration that they valued loyalty over principle and competence? I don't think that's an issue with either Ms Clinton or Obama.

Jamie:

"They like their cold, calculating and manipulative right wing image so much more."

The Obama campaign did not write that script. The Clintons and the GOP did. But guess what - that is how most Americans think of her. I hoped this campaign would do something to change that. But it hasn't.

And although she has had her moments - on the whole - her campaign in the Democratic Primaries has only reinforced this image. And that won't play well for the general. Especially not against McCain.

(she could have beat Romney ; )

Flatus

I given to Hillary regularly and I will happily contribute to McCain if Hillary does not thread that elusive needle.

Milquetoast

http://www.calendarlive.com/tv/cl-et-tvtalk22mar22,0,5504660.story

The Sunday Show schedule.

Richardson's only appearance is on Fox. He is appearing with Ed Rendell talking about the importance of the Pa Primary. I guess Richardson's comments will be very short since he thinks the primary should not take place.

Flatus:

I have heard several credible reports that he has strong support from the troops (even though he has a little less so from the officers).

The statement about veterans is from my grandpa, the veterans on his campaign and those that have come out in the media. I also think Obama is strong on veterans issues.

Heather

"Some comparing it to Abraham Lincoln speeches, some said it should be enshrined in the National Archives,"

The latest I heard today: "School children will be studying this speech years from down"

Talk about gag a maggot slavish groveling.

Flatus:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/05/28/obama_rips_troops_mental_care/

http://obama.senate.gov/issues/veterans/

This is pretty compelling:

http://www.ablogistan.com/archives/2007/11/the_case_for_ob.html

Listen to Obama's video first. (I know it is a little bit longer - but he is just being nuanced...)

Heather,

" I said it before and I will say it again Obama is Jessie Jackson reinvented with good oratory skills and a Harvard Law degree but still a hustler."

Actually I see him as designed along the model for Sydney Potier's character in "Guess Who's Coming For Dinner" ... a man so perfect that the only possible objection you could have to him would be race or as someone else described him, the political Jackie Robinson.

Since the media has placed him in this box with the pretty bow, you don't get to see any of the reality of the man. I think that if we could see more humanity and less perfection he wouldn't come across as so arrogant while standing with a smile while he is being introduced by fawning acolytes. Not to mention that his supporters would look less like slack jawed, worshipful teenagers.

"You couple that with Michele Obama’s America is a mean country and the oldie but goodie on the Michele Obama hit parade “for the first time in my adult life I am proud of America”."

Wait till you guys get a chance to read her thesis...you'll think all that stuff is nothing. Heard a few excerpts a few weeks ago...put some of her comments and their membership in an afro-centric into context.

I don't have a judgment on it - I say everyone needs to do what they need to do and everyone is allowed to think/believe what they want to. I'm just saying her thesis adds context. Not sure where anyone can get a copy.

I totally share your sentiments Jamie
hi5 @ Jamie

--Heather

Corey:

"I mean , I hear a lot of people talking bad about past Democratic presidents or presidential nominees and wonder if some people have liked any Democrat Presidents or nominees before Obama came along?"

Exactly Corey. (Btw, I liked Kerry - I had to against Bush). And the Dems haven't been doing too good in recent general elections....have they?

Plus, I think HRC could be a better President than Bill (once Obama gets us past some of the partisan nonsense - that she is inextricably bound by) - but she does not compare to the type of nominee Bill was in 1992.

Bill was a phenom. HRC is just another Senator - with a long voting record to attack.

"You make take this as a threat - but it is just the facts ma'am."

Recent poll numbers don't support those facts

Recent PA numbers shows KIDS in PA going for Hillary...so he's losing that group too (think someone linked it today or yesterday...might have been me...who knows...just woke up from a nap and don't feel like looking for the link).

I admire your will to hang on but you might be down to fingertips Warren.

"it is nice that Obama takes time to explain some of these difficult issues to America"

ROFLMAO

ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha

Thanks Obamie for taking time out of your busy schedule to explain things to us...

Jamie:
Perfectly stated!
You took the words out of my mouth!

Wendy:
I will search for her thesis,
if I find it i'll email it to you

--Heather

"I have heard several credible reports that he has strong support from the troops (even though he has a little less so from the officers)."

I have to agree with Warren here - he does have his facts right on this one issue.

Obama has raised the most money from rank and file soldiers of any candidate.

Well...that's what the word was maybe a month - 6 weeks ago - with people dropping out of the race, etc this may have changed and I haven't seen any updated numbers. But the last I heard he was raising the most money among the military.

I thought James Carville's comparison was appropriate: he compared Richardson to Judas who took money to BETRAY Jesus.

Jan...at least Judas got 30 pieces of silver out of the deal.
Richardson probably settled for a bucket of chicken wings.

LardL

You are on a roll today...

ROFLMAO

at at least the last 3 or 4 things you wrote...with a small interruption to laugh really hard at something Warren said.

Wendy...upthread a bit I was wondering where Michelle Obama has been since the Wright controversy broke open. She seems to have dropped out of sight? Do you happen to know?

blueN...:

"The Republicans will show no mercy & he won't be able to talk himself into the WH."

Clinton is the one that is going to have to talk around the Iraq vote. And she has not been too impressive thus far.

I absolutely agree that the Republicans will show no mercy. Some of the dirt discussed respectfully above about the impeachment, etc. - will swarm the air-waves. Coulture, Limbaugh and Hannity, etc. - will make this a major issue - which will kill any enthusiasim the Democrats have left if HRC kneecaps Obama and gets the Super D's to overturn the Primary.

Driving Middle America right to the Straight-Talk Express. And if Clinton wins - McCain is the candidate of Change!!

Bush-Clinton-Bush-McChange!!!

(Be afraid - be very afraid. The Clintons are spinning her general election chances...)

I saw a post on Michelle Obama's thesis. I too have read exerpts. It was on politico awhile back. The basic thesis is that she never felt accepted by her university. By her white professors and students, she was made to feel like an outsider. Personally, I think you can psychoanlayze this arguing that this feeling of "otherness" is what attracted Obama to his wife.

I understand how they could feel this way. However, it makes it more difficult for white voters to feel a connection to Obama. It reinforces this concept of "us" versus "them."

I have said many times on this blog that Dems are going to get stuck with a nom who will lose. He is too liberal, inexperienced, and yes, too different for mainstream Americans.

The one time Dems should have a clear shot to the WH will later be seen as a great social experiment. The problem is that is this experiement fails, my family will still be without healthcare.

http://blog.dispatch.com/dailybriefing/2008/03/more_trouble_for_obama_in_ohio.shtml

Signs of big trouble for Obama in Ohio?
Political polls looking ahead to the general election when the Democratic primary hasn't even been settled are sometimes less than significant. But the latest SurveyUSA measure in Ohio shows Hillary Clinton suddenly doing far better than Barack Obama against Republican John McCain.

Clinton beats McCain 50-44 but McCain tops Obama by virtually the same margin, 50-43 - meaning Clinton is performing 13 points better than Obama in the Buckeye State 3/21

If he can't carry Ohio or Florida, how is he going to win the general.

Heather:

Read "the speech" again in 3 months. Then, I would be curious to hear your thoughts.

Heather...Wendy: Herein are links to Michelle Obama's thesis, via Politico.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642.html

Warren is an incurable romantic
Obama is his mentor and and Warren will follow him to the Promised Land flowing with milk and honey.

Huh hmmmmm tap tap on shoulder President Obama Sir, this is not the promised land and ummm thats not Moses ummm that looks like Pastor Wright. Relax Warren its ok don't fret son. Obama what I say about bringing white crackers to our church!

But Pastor Wright I am a white liberal that loves African Americans. You may be white you may be liberal you may even love us but you will never be one of us.

Just kidding you Warren lol
--Heather

Jamie,
Referring to Obama as the "the political Jackie Robinson" seems somehow appropriate. Is Bill Richardson the political Branch Rickey? We've all seen those Democrats who are the political Dodgers who threatened to sit out the games if Robinson was allowed to play. Will John Edwards be the Leo Durocher who told them that they'd be traded if they refused to play with Robinson?

ps. In case you couldn't have guessed it, I'm a Dodger fan.

Heather:

Is that "secret-Obama-man" song about me?!

("You're so vain - betcha....")

No - just that some of the things from her thesis supported an afro-centric view of America. She felt she could never be accepted by white society and therefore better for the two groups to be separate (that is a very general summation of the parts that were read). And it was on the radio...I was in the car...so this was either on a POTUS08 show, NPR or Air America (though I doubt it was Air America). More than likely it was POTUS08.

I think they don't want anyone digging around in some of the things MO has written to reveal that she has similar beliefs to that of Rev. Wright (although she does not say things that are nearly as inflammatory and outrageous...they are well organized arguments for her position) - and if that is revealed...it may be a little too close to home for a lot of people.

I don't get the whole separatist movement on either side. But again, I come at it from a left coaster with a diverse background, having grown up in a diverse community so I admit that I have lived in a bit of a bubble that may not be the reality of most of America.

If super delegates want to do the math, they should be voting for Senator Clinton. All the Democrats have to do to win is carry Ohio.

A recenty released Pew Poll shows the Ohio is a state the Democrats can carry with an appealing candidate.
The primary as well as recent trends demonstrate that candidate is Clinton. In a year that should be a Democratic victory, the nomination should not be one that requires rolling seven the hard way.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The CEO of a company whose employee is accused of improperly looking at the passport files of presidential candidates is a consultant to the Barack Obama campaign, a source said Saturday.

John O. Brennan, president and CEO of the Analysis Corp., advises the Illinois Democrat on foreign policy and intelligence issues, the source said.

Brennan briefed the media on behalf of the campaign this month.

The executive is a former senior CIA official and former interim director of the National Counterterrorism Center.

LardL

Thanks for the links - I'm going to read it so I can get more context...I admit...it was just excerpts on the radio.

Katherine,

I agree with your assessment. Obama will be in a lot of trouble in these swing states. The voters simply do not identify with him.

In OH and PA, he will lose because the blue collar workers will graviate to McCain, the war hero. In FL, he has screwed himself with the Jewish and Cuban communities.

Without these states, he is TOAST!

Moreover, Obama supporters say that they will revolt at the convention if his nomination is "stolen." Well, I wonder how legitimate his nomination will seem when he did not support a revote in MI or FL.

By the way, I get sick of hearing about how these states broke the rules because the RULES also allow for these states to try a redo.

Heather, you go girl/!! right on and well put.
What I do not understand is why the media is so in bed with Obama. Are they republicans and they know McCain will beat him but not Hillary?
It seems so clear. I hope the people in PA can see passed this man, speech or no speech.
I am thinking what it would be like to sit in church for 20 years and listent to that and not get up and leave.
Very very sick and scary.

Milquetoast:

(can't you choose an easier moniker?)

"I am a D who will vote for McC."

Go fly a kite (you should have seen what I originally had in here ; ). Unless you can give me some legitimate reasons - why you as a Democrat - would be voting for John McCain.

Nancy...we all know who gets to be Pee Wee Reese: Dennis Kucinich.

Obamawatch

I really find it hard to believe the Obama camp would have made such a big stink for an investigation if they were the actual perpetrators. I mean I have my issues with O' but that would be really REALLY boneheaded LOL.

I still think it was a couple of yahoos that were looking at everyone's files. I bet if they look further they'll find other candidates files like Richardson, Biden, Huckster, Romney, etc etc were probably violated too - they were probably having a good time.

none issue if you ask me.

Top this speech , Obama!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOmQJhHfGf8

Carol,

I think Hillary is going to win BIG in PA; indeed, I think she will win by 15%. I know that it is a big number, but I have read a lot of anecdotes of voter reactions to the Wright incident, and they are pissed.

The key is that she must do well in IN (10%), and hold him even in NC. Then, she really needs to rack up the numbers in Puerto Rico. She will do nicely in WV and KY. They are like TN.

If FL and MI ever come into play, she can make a legitimate argument along with all else that I have discussed for becming the nominee.

Will this be the next CQ Trail Mix video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU&feature=related

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/773/fewer-voters-identify-as-republicans

New Pew Poll on party identification. It helps explain why Clinton is doing well in Ohio.

Very funny Heather. I am also a realist.

Wendy:

I don't bet the farm based on poll numbers. Based on all concrete measures - states, delegates, votes and money - Obama is winning.

Nancy:

"I admire your will to hang on but you might be down to fingertips Warren."

I DO see the irony in this statement!

Later peeps - I gots to go take Lucy (aka "the goose!") for a walk while there is still some daylight...

Wendy, I don't doubt that it was a couple of idiots snooping, I think that it just shows how interrelated everything and everybody is in national politics. It's like one degree of separation.

Then again nobody thought Nixon was involved in Watergate at the beginning either.

Thing about the Michelle thesis is, it sort of came and went as an issue at this point. But -- like the Wright controversy -- it will probably blow up into something bigger at a later date...leaving everyone wondering why it's suddenly being treated as news when it's been out there all along.

But I'm sure GOP attack ad creators will mine it for everything it's worth. They'll have enough sense to make sure the attacks are not overtly racist. But they'll have no problem at all making attacks that we here might consider "politically incorrect."

That's the thing about Republicans -- they know there is a lot of room between "politically incorrect" and "overtly racist" that most American voters will tolerate and respond to...and they don't hesitate to exploit that gap. Dems, on the other hand, get nervous if someone even says the words "Jesse Jackson" within a 200-mile radius of South Carolina.

just dropping in for a moment before Rick and I go out to dinner to say to everyone who celebrates Easter...... Happy Easter.....

and for the rest of you..... Have a great Sunday.....

just read the racist pat buch blog, what i find amazing is the MSM called jeremiah wright a racist, a hater, a divisive figure but it is totally silent, and continues to allows the racist PB to appear on talk shows. the msm has no credibility and no standing to accuse pastor wright and not expose pb for the low down dirty dog he is!

i am also wondering if any black commentators such as gene robinson will challenge pat on tv to own up publicly to his words. such as blacks should be glad that there ancestors were illegally removed from their homeland, taken away in chains, placed in ships under deplorable conditions to become slaves against there will in america. if not for the white man doing this to blacks they wouldnt be christians or free. wow! oh, and i must not forget that blacks should be grateful for all the food stamps and welfare checks, how in the hell did black folk exist before food stamps and welfare, are blacks the only folk in america receiving food stamps and welfare checks? there are more poor white folks receiving food stamps and welfare checks than blacks, should they be grateful too? and white folks call jeremiah ignorant, racist and divisive.... pat is just full of CACA. the funny thing is pat is gonna be miserable after obama becomes president and he fears that more than anything that the country that was suppose to be just for white folk will be ran by a black man. and pat's racist ancestor gonna be turning over in their graves when obama the black man becomes president of the usa!

"Oh Warren you should have told him to go fuck himself like you wanted!"

Once again raising the intellectual level of the discussion here.

I thought you were leaving. No such luck.

Jan:

I have a good friend in PA and she said it's all Clinton all the time over there.

After OH/TX she was really worried that Hillary would lose PA but now she's really upbeat - says EVERYONE is for Clinton.

Don't be surprised if the percentage looks more like RI than OH.

;-)

Did you guys notice that you also don't have to refresh after posting - I love that the blog is fixed!!!

Or how about THIS one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvsS0d41DLE

One final thought before I run.

I don't care about the CURRENT polls in whatever state you Clintonites decide to highlight. Especially not immediately after HRC throw the "kitchen sink" at Obama.

And for all this talk about the general - you just have to understand Hillary would lose the entire South (save maybe Arkansas) to McCain.

And all this bashing of Richardson will do her no favors with the Latino vote.

Over and out (for now).

The worst part of Obama and his "fans" is that they have a belief that Obama is entitled to the presidency. I hear things like "it is time that an AA was president." Last time I checked, we live in a society that awards on merit, not only ethnicity.

My favorite part of this election is when I hear the media say that this nomination will be "stolen" from Obama. They have said this before Feb 5th. When they say it, it is stated as an accusation. "How dare you take this!"

The Dems are worried about the party exploding if the nomination is "stolen" from Obama. They say " we will lose these new young voters as well as AA." Well, here is another way to look at it: they will also lose women and blue collar voters. Hmmmm.... who votes more consistently?

Warren:

Do I have to revive this for you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LvtDb0ZPwQ

One last video for the night. Maybe Jamie will like it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z4ihUR6hgs

Nancy

I bleed Dodger Blue

They were my team when I was sitting in Los Angeles and they were in Brooklyn. When they moved to be closer to me, I was lost in love forever. :)

Pat Buchanan joke
Pat is preparing to speak during his presidential campaign and from crowd begins to chants: Racist Racist Racist.

And those were his supporters.

Nancy...we all know who gets to be Pee Wee Reese: Dennis Kucinich.

Posted by: LardassLiberal Author Profile Page | March 22, 2008 5:32 PM

Good analogy! While Reese was on so many losing world series teams, the guy never sacrificed his principles and always gave it 100%

"Especially not immediately after HRC throw the "kitchen sink" at Obama."

Notice the subtle (not so subtle) insinuation that Clinton held a gun to Obama's head and made him sit in Rev. Wright's church for 20 years or that perhaps Clinton suggested to Obama that he should contact Tony Rezko to help him buy his home even though Rezko was under investigation or that perhaps Clinton called him up while he was in the state Senate and told Obama not to worry about all of his friend Rezko's slums in his district...nobody will notice that kind of thing.

U funny Warren.

"And all this bashing of Richardson will do her no favors with the Latino vote."

all the Latinos I've heard from are pissed at him too...so I doubt it will hurt her in any way.

Again...u funny.

:-D

(i lied)

Is it a coincidence that the country, the media and the Democratic Party is coalescing behind Obama?

Or are ALL of us stupid, young, naive, black, opportunistic, latte drinkers, spellbound, etc...

This is not an espisode of Lost people...

Right now I feel I am at a crossroads in life. Should Obama *gasp* get the nomination that leaves me cnflicted on what to do. One the one hand I want to be loyal to my party, on the other hand I have to weight that to the loyalty to my core beliefs. To be totally honest to what I believe in and what defines me as a human being as well as my integrity and character.

At some point I will have to make a choice I dread.
I'm open to ny suggestions or advice either her on Craig's list or personally via email

--Heather

Thank you Carol for your support and compliment
hi5 girl!

Bravo Wendy!

You have hit it right on the head: these acts have shown a complete lack of judgment on the part of Obama, a cornerstone of his candidacy.

In my opinion, Obama is a regular pol who lacks courage. I really got a laugh out of his speech because the MSM touted it as this brilliant speech. She is was rhetorically beautiful. However, he only gave it to save his hide, not because his a a courageous leader.

Obama Wants Republicans to Register Democrat

"To help their candidate overcome the odds and win this very next Democratic primary, Obama's staff on the ground is identifying sympathetic independent and Republican voters -- trying to persuade them to register as Democrats in a house-by-house appeal, according to a report in the Los Angeles Times. Only registered Democrats can cast a vote in the Democratic contest.

And something is, indeed, happening. More than 22,000 voters registered as Democrats during the week of March 10, compared with 7,223 in the entire month of January."

http://newsmax.com/insidecover/Obama_Wants_Republicans_/2008/03/22/82330.html

(More "Dems for a Day")

Is it a coincidence that the country, the media and the Democratic Party is coalescing behind Obama?

But not Ohio and you cannot win with out it.
I guess if a state doesn't vote for Obama it is no longer part of the country poor Ohio, Florida and Michigan cut adrift.

Warren,

You defined Obama fans accurately. In general, they are those who have little worries (latte drinkers and students) or they are AA who identify racially with Obama. Good job!

"This is not an espisode of Lost people..."

How do you know?

The media is doing what is good for their ratings

And the "COUNTRY" is not coalescing behind Obama - he's only gotten half the votes in the Democratic primary which will probably make up only about 1/4 of the votes in a general election. So a more accurate statement is that 1/4 of the country has coalesced behind Obama.

Hillary - even though by a slim margin STILL has more superDelegates than Obama as well as a majority of the actual Democratic primary votes.

Warren a cognitive therapist would say they you have an issue with "all or nothing" statements. You like to use ALL when really it's

1/4 or less than half.

:-D

You better go walk Lucy.

One last post and then I'm going take a break from here. I promise. No more posts for 3-4 hours. I mean it. What was I saying? Oh yeah , Jamie , do you have that book called "True Blue"? It's a history of the Dodgers from 1957-1998. The entire book consists of interviews and stories from all the Dodger greats of the past. Well , everyone except Koufax. It's a great book!

There is only one reason that a hard core republican would re-register to vote for Obama. To make him, so he can lose. Comprende?

Katherine,

I could not agree with you more. This is why it is so important for Hillary to win the popular vote. She needs to run up big numbers in PA and PR.

If not, hello McCain!

I meant

To make him win, so he can lose. Comprende?

Lardass is that you posting under the cloak of secrecy?

It's sad, what was annoying has now become a joke.

Corey

Back when I was hanging out with a musician, my "entrance music" was

Anywhere I hang my hat is home

Slowed down by age and income, but I loved the song and I'm always ready to leave home. :-)

Warren, I will never disagree with anyone's grandfather when talking with the grandkids.

Probably the strongest measure of support of any particular candidate by the troops could be gleaned from absentee ballots. I have no sense how that voting has leaned.

Mrs Clinton's support in committee of active, reserve and retired military issues has been noteworthy.

So far as I can tell, all the candidates on both sides have espoused their heartfelt love of veterans. Next thing you know, they'll invite one home to dinner.

Again, Warren, I don't know of a grandparent in this world who doesn't want the best for a grandchild; they deserve the child's trust and respect in return.

Some new public opinion polls suggest a close and volatile presidential race in the months ahead. VOA National correspondent Jim Malone has more from Washington.

Hillary Clinton in Terre Haute, Indiana, 20 Mar 2008
Some good news for Hillary Clinton in her battle with Barack Obama for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination.

The latest Gallup poll has Clinton pulling ahead of Obama by a margin of 49 to 42 percent

http://voanews.com/english/2008-03-20-voa72.cfm

Obamawatch. I plead innocent to whatever post you're referring to. I only use one pseudonym...this one.

I still can't get it through my head why people create second and third identities on this blog for any purpose. It just confuses everything.

Obama: 'Outrageously wrong' to reprint Hamas manifesto

"Once again, Democrat presidential candidate Barack Obama is distancing himself from a statement made by his Chicago church and defending himself by saying he wasn't present when the statement was made.

This time, Obama is reacting to a WND report of the church's decision to reprint a manifesto by a Hamas spokesman that defended terrorism as legitimate resistance, refused to recognize the right of Israel to exist and compared the terror group's official charter – which calls for the murder of Jews – to America's Declaration of Independence."

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=59640

Back Igor! Back down the stairs with you!
It's not time for your gruel yet!

Corey,

No I don't have the book. I would love to have it. There has never been a pitcher like Sandy and the Koufax/Drysdale era was my favorite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaP9eiWuX3s

This is a very surreal McCain video. I am pretty sure it's a joke.

Lard Thank you for link and compliment

Sincerely,
Heather

"With the racist rantings of Jeremiah Wright exposed, the Obama campaign is working feverishly to try to stay afloat even as it sinks like the body of the Soprano’s Big Pussy–laden with chains and concrete blocks–dropped into the ocean. Obama and his spinmeisters are doing a new bamboozle. They want everyone to believe Obama’s election is inevitable and that he leads by a sizable margin in the popular vote. WRONG!!!"

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/22/hillary-and-the-numbers-game/

"Richardson probably settled for a bucket of chicken wings."
- Lardass -

That's funny. Any bets on what SNL does tonight? They have so much material to work with this week.

I think it would be hilarious if SNL produced a spoof of the "I'm F_ _ _ _ _G Matt Damon", "I'm F_ _ _ _ _G Ben Affleck", and "I'm F_ _ _ _ _G Seth Rogen" videos.

It would be: "I'm F_ _ _ _ _G Obama." Amy Pohler could sing it as Hillary, and they could get their Obama guy to do BHO. Dress Hillary in her tradmark "schoolbus" suit of yellow with black trim, and Obama in his nicely-tailored suit and tie. And the key would be that they keep those EXACT outfits on throughout the song...whether they're dancing, having coffee, in bed, lounging around the living room trying to peek at each other's policy papers...whatever.

I think you could have some fun with it.

"Richardson probably settled for a bucket of chicken wings."
- Lardass -

If that was the case, I'm sure Bill Clinton would have been more persuasive :)

Jamie...BTW...that "Raining McCain" video was way weird. I can't imagine who actually produced that thing. There's nothing to laugh at...only to cry about and cringe in embarrassment. At least "Obama Girl" was laugh-out-loud funny.

Bill Richardson & the "Gay Gene"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBaoLiZGNsI

Sorry...KGC...you posted the Raining McCain. My bad.

LL, thanks for posting the Politico link to the article about Mrs Obama's thesis:
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/richardsons-call-to-surrender.html#comment-56779

I wish she would allow it's release now; it sounds relevant to his candidacy.

And, on top of that, it sounds like a really interesting topic from a sociological point of view.

That would be funny.

That "schoolbus" yellow suit is awful... I have to look the other way when I see her wearing that.

Raining McCain is so sad. I saw that on TV last week, the newscasters didn't know how to act or what to say after seeing it. They couldn't tell if the people were serious or if it was a gag.

Flatus...according to the February Politico article, the Obama campaign did release the thesis when it was requested. That was how they were able to write about it.

It's the Princeton folks who had it restricted. Not sure why. It's never explained.

Either way, the Politico story has links to pdfs of the full thesis that they were given by the campaign.

I hope Raining McCain is a joke. I refuse to believe that it's serious. Unfortunately they can't sing and frequently forget the words. But the lyrics do make fun of him.

If it is serious, I'll be shocked. And I'll be sorry I posted it.

Clinton's campaign is a joke . she can't take a gimme and close on it..LOL People don't trust her or Slick. His favorable numbers are falling too.

Gallup poll 3/18/08 PRINCETON, NJ -- Hillary Clinton is rated as "honest and trustworthy" by 44% of Americans, far fewer than say this about John McCain (67%) and Barack Obama (63%).

Good job hill go get em.
"Gallup had Clinton moving ahead of Obama last weekend when the Wright story broke. By Tuesday, she had a statistically significant 7-point lead.

Then Obama spoke about his relationship with Wright and his view of race relations. Clinton's lead began to narrow, to 5 points and, as of Friday, 2 points.

Friday's results -- statistically, a tie -- represent the first poll in which all interviews were done after Obama's speech."-CNN

Later all.. casino nite. Have you donated to your local casino lately..;)

Place your bets

http://www.sportsbook.com/betting/2008+Presidential+Election-betting-odds-754.html

LL--thanks. My dumb

Obama is back on top. Amazing

A tracking poll by Rasmussen Reports has shown a different trajectory. In that poll, Obama clung to leads of 1 to 5 percentage points all week and fell behind Clinton for the first time today, 46%-44%. Rasmussen calculations are based on four nights of polling, compared to Gallup's three.

As always, we remind you that these are snapshots and do not tell us what will happen in elections.

If you accept the national gallup figures, then you must also agree with the gallup state figures as well.

State polls (PA, WV, etc) matter more right now. Hillary wins those states big and the national numbers will rise.

Boy the language on here is going to the gutter.
I thought we were intellectually above such stuff.
It seems not only is the Obama camp getting gitters so are the Obamaites on here. haha
Truth hurts but it must be said.
Why did Obama NOT address his 20 years in the pew or why he did not confront Wright. I would like to know.

Carol, I've cleaned up my language after being advised that Craig strongly frowns upon "bad words" in the blog. It isn't always easy.

"Over time, Clinton fatigue has dissipated ... and people are looking back on the Clinton years more favorably," says Andrew Kohut, director of the non-partisan Pew Research Center. In a Pew poll released this month, Kohut called former president Bill Clinton and the senator "comeback kids" because of their rising ratings."

Obama did not address his 20 years, because he figured out that he had nothing to say about it that would sound credible to the voters. So he did what he always does, he wrote a speech, and delivered that which was basically a lecture to America regarding race.

He avoided answering the question directly.

I have often wondered, how he decided to stay there after the first year....prior to Rev. Becoming such an integral person in his family. He could have left back then.

He chose not to.

Flatus:

I am a fan of the Eastern way of thinking. They have great respect for their elders over there.

"i wish she would allow it's release now; it sounds relevant to his candidacy."

Maybe she won't force an action group to take her to court over their release - like the Clintons have done with their records.

And I can't wait till those tax returns get dropped right before PA ; )

Wonder how those so-called "downscale Democrats" are going to feel about that rich carpetbagger Clinton coming to town to pander for their votes...

Jan:

The Clintons have been rich and famous for sooooo long that they have "little worries" other than keeping all of those skeletons in their closet. But of course that is a full time job now isn't it.

Trouble connecting with blue collar Democrats
?
Sen. Barack Obama sure has a way of connecting to his audience. On a farm in Iowa he commented on high prices in grocery stores, just not ones most Iowans go to:

“Anybody gone into Whole Foods lately and see what they charge for arugula?” the senator said. “I mean, they’re charging a lot of money for this stuff.”

The state of Iowa, for all of its vast food production, does not have a Whole Foods, a leading natural and organic foods market. The closest? Omaha, Minneapolis or Kansas City."

for your perusal

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/032208F.shtml

El Chaludo rides again!

Mellisa Etheridge asking Richardson about being gay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBaoLiZGNsI

Anyways, walking Lucy reminded me of a good story.

A couple of months back I was walking her in the city. We went in front of a police station - just as some cops were coming out. There was a black guy in front - and Lucy started barking like the mad little girl she is.

The police offficers started joking - saying "That dog sure doesn't like black people."

I shot back: "Nah, she just hates cops!" Hah!

(Of course I was lying...Lucy doesn't hate cops. Nor is she racist. She has trust issues and is an alpha dog.
Lucy doesn't like people who are nervous, sketchy, aggressive, or generally up to no good. She will also summon all the fierceness her 20 pounds can muster - and trust me - it is a lot - when anyone she does not trust tries to take the alpha role. But other than that - she is an absolute sweetheart and one of the most affectionate dogs I have ever seen. She is also as smart as a whip. When I have friends over to watch football - I always point out that she is in the top 2 or 3 in the room in terms of intelligence.)

FYI:

If you type in the wrong letters for the captcha (or whatever) - hit "back." Go down and hit "comment" again - and the post should return.

ET: I would have lost a few of my own earlier is I did not copy and then paste...

warren's dog can bark '' great

I guess, then, that Lucy is voting for Hillary?

To me...what is going on over at SurveyUSA is far more interesting - the major reversal for Obama is very telling.

Throughout this crazy political polling season...SurveyUSA has been pretty accurate.

Sturge,
That's funny. Of coarse she is. Besides seeing character, warren said Lucy is smart.

Keith Olberman and Dan Abrahms reported the passport files story like it was the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Laurence Eigleberger was correct when he referred to MSNBC coverage as hysterical.

"Wonder how those so-called "downscale Democrats" are going to feel about that rich carpetbagger Clinton coming to town to pander for their votes..."

Same way they feel about the Barack and Michelle "how ever will we pay for our kids private school and piano lessons on our measly half a million a year" Obama.

;-)

SNL needs a new Obama. That guy sucks.

What is Dave Chappelle doing right now?

(I know I know - impossible...but a man can still dream can't he?)

I think they should parody the supporters. Someone posted a funny youtube awhile back that had two people going back and forth about Obama and Clinton. They pretty much summed up (most) of what we say here about the two candidates in 5 minutes.

But this race is no doubt historic. And I am glad I have shared some of the moments here. And I am glad my guy is winning!!!

(Is "my guy" sexist?)

You know what is funny here, in the 6:00pm news hour, for the last three days, Fox News runs a commercial on MSNBC, saying why FOX/O'reilly Show is better.

"(Is "my guy" sexist?)"

No sounds more homo-erotic to me

[shrugs]

;-)

Wendy:

The Obamas are not that far-removed from being regular folks.

The Clintons have not been "regular folks" for more than 20 years.

And sorry - but from my point of view - the Clintons are "out of touch" with a lot of voters.

Yeah, regarding the stereotypes that the MSM has latched onto regarding supporters for various candidates, I find they are wrong in respect to myself, and people I know.

"And sorry - but from my point of view - the Clintons are "out of touch" with a lot of voters."

That is so funny because RICH people vote for Obama

Poor people vote for Clinton

I watched her talk to people at the round-table the other day, ask them questions, think through her answer - sometimes it wasn't an answer - sometimes it was just saying - I understand where you're coming from.

The article posted a little earlier today showed more of this.

The only person who is out of touch Warren is more than likely you.

I think "regular folks" feel as if Hillary understands them just fine...that's why "regular folks" are voting for her and NOT Obama.

Eureka Wendy. All this time I thought it was because Obama was intelligent, thoughtful, inspirational, forward-thinking and charismatic.

Thanks for the wake-up call!

OD - give me one of those HRC signs - I am gonna take it to the streets for Hillary.... Woohoo!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G54lfxiid_w&feature=related

Regular folks don't have the time to see through the complex web of spin the Clinton campaign is able to spew forth on a regular basis. It is quite an impressive operation.

Time is not on Clinton's side...that is why Obama is winning.

mqw:

She is not my dog jackass.

Warren:

I can't tell you how happy I am that you've seen the light about Obama the fraud.

;-)

I wonder what the definition of "regular folks" is anymore?

I have no idea. Seriously, everyone I know has real problems and real struggles. Their issues are all the same but on different levels. (money, jobs, insurance, education, safety, and on and on)

Wow Warren - you just called 12 million people stupid.

So I guess then it is fair of us to call the 12 million Obama supporters naive.

[shrugs]

Burrito:

true true

I'm actually in Obama's demographic educationally and economically...but money is still tight...

warren'guess i misunderstood'' what is it your girlfriend

"Regular folks don't have the time to see through the complex web of spin the Clinton campaign is able to spew forth on a regular basis"

Do you realize just how snobbish and elitist that sounds? I supposed that is why the people clipping coupons and the upscale college kiddies still living off their parents or their trusts are for Obama. People who actually work are for Clinton ... they are too stupid to be lazy.

although...I did just get a promotion and a raise...that might help a little

Maybe now I can send my French Bulldog to private school and get her some piano lessons...wait...no thumbs...we'll skip the piano lessons.

;-)

Warren ---------------------------

"And sorry - but from my point of view - the Clintons are "out of touch" with a lot of voters."

Obama's problem is that he has been "in touch" with the Rev for many years.

Wendy,
Does your dog wear clothing?

Wendy:

"Same way they feel about the Barack and Michelle "how ever will we pay for our kids private school and piano lessons on our measly half a million a year" Obama."

Kinda like the half a million (wait a minute $5M) HRC pulled out of her pocketbook in this race. After her campaign had recklessly spent $100M trying to end this thing on Feb. 5th.

(what she should have realized is that when she did not deliver a knock-out blow on Super Tuesday - she had lost.)

And don't start telling me she spent her own money because she "cares" so much more than anyone else running. Romney tried that same line of BS when he started losing.

Sturgeone/burrito:

Lucy is not voting because she is a canine. Plus - she does not like politics. But if she could vote - she would vote Obama - because she trusts me.

Warren..You can order signs at hillaryclinton.com. I am sure they would like your money.

I'm still waiting for my new order of signs. People keep asking me for the ones I had so I give them away. They were shipped Wed. so I hope they get here Monday.

I have always preferred to order my own things, and campaign with friends. I encourage people who support all candidates to do the same.

Wendy:

What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Warren - I don't disagree.

Warren...you should take Lucy to a caucus in a small, Red state. Her vote would probably counted there.

It would be a cute website to have people take photos of their dogs and show them supporting a candidate.

okay...maybe not

Burrito:

As much as I would like her to...NO...she hates it - she hates wearing a collar, she hates wearing her harness, she hates T-shirts - she even hates her little USC collar bandanna she has to wear every Saturday during football season (she hates it but she still has to wear it LOL) - we've given up on all other forms of clothing -

Oregon Polling: Either Democratic candidate would win Oregon once again..Yeh..We'll still work hard even though Dukakis, Clinton, Gore, and Kerry all won here. Sometime it is close,especially Gore..But..the state is becoming more blue all the time and independents are trending Democratic in preference.

I think that's a good thing Wendy, because if she were too prissy she might well be an "obama girl"

Sounds like she like to run "naked" as my daughter calls it.

Warren

You should not spout such hatred at people with money - they are all that is keeping "your guy" afloat.

ROFL

Wendy:

My mom would not be considered "people with money" - and she started supporting Obama early in this race before I ever brought up politics to her.

And I stopped hating "people with money" a long time ago when I realized at the end of the day - they are "people" too. But I still think HRC's tax returns are going to hurt her.

And Lucy hates clothes too! Her mom used to put a sweater on her during the winter - and Lcuy would act grumpy and embarassed for the entire walk.

ever want to see what people donate ?

http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/neighbors.php?type=loc&addr=&zip=44116&search=Search

you have to put your own zip code in - oops

Okay, I've read Mrs Obama's senior thesis from Princeton.

Her project was ambitious and she did a credible job of sorting through things. When the conclusions didn't support her original hypothesis, she had the good sense to address the dichotomies and construct a revised hypothesis.

She tackled a subject in a way that required use of the statistical tools that someone reading in the social sciences would possess. The transparency of the study would have been much improved if she was able to, in statistical terms, quantify to a stated probability where her ultimate conclusions were satisfied.

Also, the thesis was developed at a time when Lotus 1-2-3 was a tool available in every university's computer lab. She should have taken the time to learn its capabilities and to use spreadsheet presentations of her supporting data. Doing so would have made tracking where she was headed much less tedious.

If I was grading her paper, she would have received a B.

Now, so far as it provides insight into how she sees things, I think it is really a valuable window. She is clearly a woman concerned about important things and she tries to understand them.

If a commenter's interest leans in this direction, I urge a reading of her thesis:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642.html

Jamie:

You're good with history...can you think of an election where someone's tax returns hurt them. I know Gore's revealed him to be a bit of a cheapskate when it comes to charity...but other than that.

ROFL

Tax returns tax returns show us the tax returns show us your phone records show us your schedule

I couldn't care about either one of their schedules, tax returns (the Senate financial disclosure is fine), or their darn phone records.

1) What they've done in their career of public service to really solve their constituents problems

2) What they plan to do to dig us out of the whole we're in

Hillary has answered both questions for me

Obama has answered neither

But you keep worrying yourself about those tax returns...I doubt there is a Jeremiah Wright or Rezko lurking in there...but it'll keep you busy I'm sure frettin' over it.

ROFL

When asked what 2 books he would bring to the White House (if he could only bring 2):

Obama said the Bible and Team of Rivals.

http://www.simonsays.com/content/book.cfm?sid=33&pid=511170

Both good books!

Just got through listening to Russert's Saturday evening program. He spent the full hour talking things over with Doris Kearns Goodwin. Most of the time was spent discussing the personality aspects of the current campaign.

It was a terrific program!

But, then, I think Doris is a marvelous guest who combines intellect, knowledge, humor, and compassion in her discussions.

Knowing how MSNBC replays things, it's sure to be on at least five more times this weekend.

Wendy:

There is a first time for everything...

And if there is nothing to hide - why did she try to delay till after the primary. Now she has put herself into a difficult box - as the timing couldn't be worse.

You better keep your fingers crossed - cause some bad news in those returns the week before PA could sting.

I bet the Super D's are looking for any reason to end this thing - so we can begin the process of coming together and focusing on the GOP.

Clinton has to be flawless - and she has not looked that way since before the debate when Edwards and Obama started taking her on.

In the program did Doris Kearns Goodwin let on to who she supports?

I feel no need to cross my fingers

her tax returns are and will be irrelevant

Since your candidate has nothing going for him other than a knack for public speaking and poor choice in friends...you have to focus on things like tax returns.

ha-ha-ha-ha-ha

This is a good article for all you Clinton supporters threatening to vote for McCain:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/usa_politics_mccain_pastor_dc

Enjoy...

Supreme Court appointees - especially with the current make up of the Court - will have consequences far beyond a mere 4-8 years.

Burrito:

No - she was even-handed. Pointing out the strengths and weaknesses of all the candidates.

I hope you Clinton supporters at least have a little respect for T. Russert - even if you hate the rest of the NBC gang (except Rachel and Pat ; )

"hate" is such a strong word, I think "loathe" is more appropriate....

Patsi, Jamie

You explained my thinking better than I could.

Thanks

Patsi said:
Jack....I'm not sure that guy is a liberal wing nut. The following sure sounds like regurgitated right wing crap to me:

Yep I saw where he claimed to be a Reagan Democrat
which is weird IMO.
On the "liberal" (note the quotes) web sites the hate for the Clintons is amazing. The other amazing thing is how many will sound like Rush Limbaugh in their attacks. They don't care, any attack no matter the source is fine by them, they're nuts

.Proud Liberal posted a list of "liberal" accomplishments

Social Security
Medicare
Unions
Civil Rights
Voter Rights
Anti-lynching Laws
Child Labor Laws
Min. Wage
40 Hour Work Week

PL
None of the list above was accomplished by left wingers
Most of the by 2 democratic presidents FDR and LBJ, Both coalition building centrist.
The labor gains you listed were not done by the Wobblies but by the centrist union groups.

As far as I'm concerned the left wing of this party owes all of us an apology for the fact that George Bush is in the WhiteHouse. If they hadn't been such primadonnas Gore would have been president. For them to lecture me or anybody about Clintons failures is assinine.

So I don't need a Pissant left wingnut telling me what it means to be a Democrat.

Jack

Speaking of the MSNBC gang, I was checking out the promos today to Chris's big "IF" special coming up---I think on Monday.

It's all about how Hillary's campaign is totally hanging on a thread, and needs about a dozen "ifs" to come true for her to get the nomination, or whatever. Who cares what the premise of the show is.

But what struck me is the pictures of Hillary they use in the promo. It's like...they got the least flattering photos of her they could find..with her face all screwed up in knots, etc., etc. Think Olivia DeHavilland in the movie "Snake Pit." They might as well have put a label under it that said "Crazy, Relentless Bitch."

I'm sure equally unflattering photos of Obama exist. I'm sure we'll never see them on MSNBC.

I hate MSNBC.

except for pat buchanan''' they are all ditto heads @msnbc '' they can't see past the cameras' bright lights and thier own overinflated egos

unlikely_burrito

Clearly she likes Obama. But she wasn't trying to do a number on Clinton. She wove everything into a historical story. Really was time well spent.

I like this one of her

http://i29.tinypic.com/153xq4o.jpg

I think Home Depot should come out with a whole new line of ceiling paint named after Chris Matthews. The guy is literally whiter than most of the paint-chip samples you'll find at Home Depot already. So he's got a leg up, and should capitalize on that.

Think of all the catchy names for the various shades you could choose for your ceiling from the "Chris Matthews Collection". Here are just a few I can think of:

-North Philly White
-Guilty White
-Never-Knew-A-Black White
-Blabby White
-I Hate Hillary White
-My Brother Fought In Vietnam White
-Dumbass White

Yes, there are a million shades of Chris Matthews white! Feel free to create your very own!!!

I always like to hear what the people have to say when they are from a different era, I mean she knows how to be graceful, and smart at the same time...it's nice to see...thanks for the heads up

t russert ask 's a five minute question of a clinton supporter then cut 's them off before they get half a sentence out

Lardass:

Pasty White-not to be confused with lily white-white

Jack...any time a Pissant Left Wingnut bothers you again, just say two words: Henry Wallace.

The argument will be over.

Not Right White

I forgot my Meds White

Dont Blame Me White

I Dance Like A White White

Unlikely...
I love it!!!

Wow. Now that we've succesfully launched all these new cross-pollination opportunities between MSNBC and Home Depot, it's time to roll out the new line of Tim Russert Lawn & Garden Tools:

--Russert's "Gotcha" Potato Grubber
--Russert's Hillary Weed Whacker
--Russert's Bullshit Fertilizer Spreader
--Russert's Miracle-Grow Obama Food

We're onto something here, folks.

Lucy also eats broccoli. And she now sings 3 songs.

She always sings to the Vonage commerical, sometimes to the Law & Order theme song and every once and awhile to the song from Golden Girls.

(btw, she picks the songs - I just encourage her when she finds one she likes : )

Warren. That's great about your singing dog. You ever think about buying a Diary and just writing all this stuff in that?

I liked Keith Olbermann when he and Dan Patrick did ESPN's "Big Show" on Sunday night. All the guys I worked had a blast watching the two of them together on "The Big Show". Keith will always be a sports guy to me. A brainy one , but a sports guy.

Matthews doing "If" is so typical for MSNBC. He can't get five minutes into any show without saying something negative about Sen. Clinton. He goes out of his way even if it means being off topic. He has been doing it since she declared. If it weren't so ugly it would be funny.

It's one of the reasons I say that Obama is media selected and if he is elected they will be to blame for running everyone else out of the race.

: )

still on the white Tweety here, I left the room for a bit....

Now I am actually thinking of paint chip colors ...lol

Bull Sh*t White <---personal fav

Whiter then you white

I'll have a double latte, low fat soy decaf, half-caf, with a boost, and here is my coupon - White

warren is this a dog or your girlfriend''

LL:

Are you drinking again?

(hey - that's a good idea!)

Unlikely...still more shades:

This Is My Microphone White
Shut Up Bitch White
I Worked For Tip O'Neill White
I Know Rendell Well Enough To Call Him Eddie White

...and the list goes one

Russert's - we grow 'em you buy "em

Russert weed killer - I speak, they die!

lol

we didn't even get to the preppy white hues...

Old school tie white

"I mean she knows how to be graceful, and smart at the same time...it's nice to see...thanks for the heads up."

Great line from an HRC supporter. I understand - Hillary seems to make the two traits mutually exclusive - but their not.

(lo siento - that was the beer talking.)

Bohemian Grove White

mqw:

"t russert ask 's a five minute question of a clinton supporter then cut 's them off before they get half a sentence out"

Because they always attempt to side-step questions and fillibuster with talking points.

--My Queen Kathleen White
--Shut Up Chuck Todd White

White is right - white

Thank you, Un_Burrito, for the HuffPo explicit donor data. Just the incentive I needed to keep throwing solicitations from either political party into the trash.

Shut the " F " Up Chuck Todd White

"Wake up . . . white people."

And don't let them turn you into Reagan Democrats.

Obama has an opportunity to beat McCain so bad in the general it will transform the Republican Party as we know it. And it will be a change for the better.

sorry....too much white paint chip overload

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a15jjUA7zgc

for the funky white boy in everyone......

you have to be given a chance to speak before you can filibuster'.' russert '' mathews'' olbermann gave up on reporting the news and decided they were the news a long time ago

Warren,
Is "wakeup white people" one of your paint chip submissions? It is really a good one.

To those of you with so much hate in your heart on this holy weekend, peace be with you.

Amend Brother!!

Moses:

I meant: Amen Brother!!

(maybe this is why they don't let you drink in Church - wait a minute - they do!!).

Wait a minute? you get to drink in church?

mqw:

To the trained eye - it does not take much to notice that someone is trying to dodge your question.

Hey Moses...Jesus is still asleep until tomorrow morning. He has no idea what we're up to tonight.

But, boy, will he be PISSED when he wakes up in the morning and sees what we've done with the world!

We'll all be grounded for sure!

Burrito:

I went to Catholic school....

I have attended services at some other churches as well. With the mormons - you only get white bread and water. But they are all very nice and get real dressed up to go to church.

LL:

Jesus wasn't much into punishment. That is so Old Testament.

grounded with double secret probation...because after all that will fix everything.

did ya'll catch the breaking news coverage on the big passport crisis?i was embarrassed for them since they seem to have no shame themselves

I think they should switch to whole grain. And as for the water- good luck.

Warren. Since when is being flogged, crowned with thorns, forced-marched and nailed to a cross not being "into punishment."?

Man...you don't get it at all, do you? The New Testament might as well be a BDSM manual, dude.

Well...there is a difference between a sadist and a masochist.

Night all. I want to watch a little SNL, then hit the sack before Jesus wakes up and kicks my ass in the morning.
It's been fun.

Can't you people just please vote for Obama so we don't have to go through the Crusades all over again...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080322/ts_nm/pope_easter_dc

easter, paint chips, dogs or politics...whatever you want we have it here. : )

Step right up!

night fatass

Warren said
there is a difference between a sadist and a masochist

I can't resist
Dr Hook , Freakers Ball

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgCqJu8g4jw

Jack

If you found freakers ball offensive don't click on this one.

Dr Hook -- Get My Rocks Off

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLgGGW_emjY

Jack

Jack:

This is my work computer!!

(J/K - that was more tame than I was expecting...but still funny)

Man - those white boys can dance.

Well...there is a difference between a sadist and a masochist

Masochist - Whip me Beat me

Sadist - No

They Finally Got There

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ux3-a9RE1Q

UP AGAINST THE WALL REDNECK MOTHER

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-x7DOAxwYc

Jack

Speaking of white people - have you seen this:

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/

I like expensive sandwiches myself.

Since it is saturday night and many people are going to go to church their 1 time a year tomorrow.

Just to have something to confess............

Why Don't We Get Drunk and Screw - Jimmy Buffett

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wFpvRMIIEM

Jack

Just got back in and see my earlier figures were wrong. Her campaign is a bigger F..ing joke than i thought.LOL
"
Clinton's campaign is a joke . she can't take a gimme and close on it."Posted by: Rezdog March 22, 2008 7:17 PM

Today's Gallup tracking poll shows Barack Obama retaking the national lead over Hillary Clinton, after the Jeremiah Wright scandal had badly damaged his numbers and put him behind for nearly a week. Here are today's numbers, compared to yesterday:

Obama 48% (+3)
Clinton 45% (-2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyOvhhPACwU

Rez

I like this comment from Steve Clemons' blog
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/
"What is clear to me -- but seems to be unclear to many Clinton supporters and Obama supporters is that the Democratic Party remains deeply, evenly divided. The strategy both sides seem to be using to reach the supporters of the other is to yell more loudly what they have already been saying"

Jack

i'm 3000 miles from home Jack..

It a mess jack, I think dems are not use to dems being so hardcore opposed to each other.we know the right, but when it coming from your side it's confusion par excellence..

Rezdog----------------------

Think the Rev Wright story is over? Just wait!

State polls (PA, WV, etc) matter more right now. Hillary wins those states big and the national numbers will rise.

No I don't G-man,, cause of people like you and right wing nuts who rather score points on BS than have meaningful discussion.

"No I don't G-man,, cause of people like you and right wing nuts who rather score points on BS than have meaningful discussion." Rezfog

as opposed to you who would rather sniff panties and talk about other people's sex lives. You use more right wing talking points and lame excuses.

"Last Thursday, 52% of voters nationwide had a favorable opinion of Obama. That figure has fallen to 47% on Monday. In recent days, "

You don't have Clinton fatigue you have ADD

"...rather score points on BS than have meaningful discussion."

You can't be serious - this is politics. Search and Destroy.

Keep bragging aboout the Gallup Poll
the one from the weeks before had Obama up by 7

so who is having trouble closing the deal.
Looks like Obama's trend line is down down down.

Clinton's trend line is up.
Spin that panty sniffer

G-man,
It may be politics, but obviously people are sick of her politics.
Otherwise this primary would have been over long ago.

G-man you can have to yourself, i off

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAwpocZYUJI