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I think Richardson was a bit pitiful today..He has been on a diet and is salivating at the possible chance of being Mr. Obama's V.P..

Whatever happened to his descriptions of himself and Sen Cllinton as the experience candidates..

I wish I had a ticket today so I could have booed him at the Obama event.

Richardson is not the voice of all Hispanics...I'd rather listen to America Ferrara, a staunch Hillary supporter who continues to press on. There were many problems with this Democratic Party process...and there are those of us who feel that too many were disenfranchised along the way. Why is it OK for Obama to team up with the Super Delegates to run HIllary (and her millions of voters) out of the election? And how could Richardson talk out of both sides of his mouth when New Mexico went for Hillary? Let the people speak...we're not done talking yet!

Woo hoo!

And they say Clinton is the one who will do anything to win? What divisive pandering! Whoever has been, and is still, orchestrating Obama's campaign, just will NOT give up! (me thinks it's the patriarchs) Every time I think he is going to act with dignity and do the right thing for the electorate, he disappoints once again. It's hard to believe he personally wants to keep putting himself and his family through this humiliating process. There was talk of narcissism on an earlier blog. I think we are witnessing it being played out during this campaign. When there is narcissism involved in a relationship, it rarely ends well. Maybe after Pennsylvania....

Testing...

Haven't been able to post in days, but haven't really had anything relevant to say.

Thanks Craig for summoning the tech Gods.

tt

The thing I'm most concerned about, Craig, in your article on the Richardson Endorsement is what you said about other "Richardson" types coming to HC to encourage her to drop out. Oh, please, Craig, who could that possibly be? Nancy Pelosi? - another all-but-announced-Obama supporter whose daughter (touting her new book) is using the Obama code words but also trying to hood-wink people into thinking she is not in the tank for Obama. Speaker Pelosi probably falls into the Ted Kennedy, Maria Shriver, Senator McKaskill, Wisconsin Governor camp who allowed their "kids" (young and old) to tell them who to vote for/support. How humiliating to be such important elected officials and be the one influenced instead of influencing. Al Gore? - another Obama fan who reportedly speaks to Obama every two weeks or so. Al Gore has said he never wants to see anyone lose like he did again. Well, I would say not counting HC's wins in Michigan and Florida would fall in the same category - disenfranchisement. If Obama had won those states, there would be marches in the streets and claims of 'stealing the election'. Clinton supporters are NOT going to listen to Obama supporters and good luck on the Clintons' being willing to listen to anyone who has an obvious vendetta toward them which I would say Al Gore (who said a year and a half ago that he would not support HC) has. Nancy Pelosi I'm afraid falls into the category of women who break through the glass ceiling only to become part of the "good ole boys system", not bringing women along with them who help get them where they are. Speaker Pelosi reportedly would not support one of her female peers for a leadership role in the House of Representatives when she first became Speaker of the House. She supposedly could not 'abide' this female leader. There are no democratic leaders that can do what you suggested 'could' happen. In the first place, Bill Richardson is not that kind of leader himself. He did not get the best press while he was running and in fact had some very derrogetory things written about him like 'very flirtatious' with women. Some do not consider him serious enough. I think the Latino community is smart enough to know that if Richardson did not endorse anyone before Texas and Ohio, he is obviously looking for an appointment.

I don't like it. Richardson should have not stuck a knife in HRC's back. He owed the Clintons support.
It makes him untrustworthy to me.

Dex, none of 'em are trustworthy.

tt

A man's loyalty should be first to his own values, to his country, and to his party, not to a man or a woman. Whatever debt you feel the gov owes to the Clintons was paid back in full by performing his duties while a member of the Clinton administration to the best of his abilities and with honor and integrity.

Hi Dexter... I am not surprised by Richardson's endorsement. In the days before the Texas and Ohio primaries he, and other leading democrats, were already pushing Hillary to drop out. Frankly the sheer idea of it makes it sound like he, and some of his ilk, consider Obama's nomination to be an entitlement.

Am I the only one who is still pissed at the way the MSM basically declared Obama the nominee the night the Iowa results came in? WTF??? The whole process has been ludicrous. I say to Hillary... FIGHT... FIGHT to the very end. Go to Florida and Michigan and tell them to keep demanding that their states count. Point it out over and over until the DNC realises the mess they will be in if they ignore those two POWERFUL states.

Dex, none of 'em are trustworthy.

tt

Posted by: tiptoe | March 22, 2008 2:21 AM

So absolutely true !!

what did Bill receive in return for his endorsement????

It's politics, Richardson is trying to position himself as best as possible. Three out of four scenarios, he wins, here's how.

Hillary wins the nomination, but loses the election, Obama becomes the leader of the Dems going forward, because the Clinton's are finally vanquished.

Obama wins the nomination, wins the election; Richardson is appointed to some cabinet position if he isn't VP.

Hillary wins the nomination, wins the election, he is screwed for being a traitor

Obama wins the nomination, loses the election; Richardson is aligned with the future leader of the dems.

Or the doomsday scenario: Democrats so divided that the party collapses and destroys itself, because party moderates finally get tired of the extreme left control of the agenda in the nominating process.

I've never liked Pat Buchanan, and disliked his sister even more. I think his column on race brings out a discussion that many, including myself, have been hesitant to express. I don't agree 100%, but there's a lot here that I think is pretty close to what I do believe to be correct. But I'd like to hear other reactions. I'm still unsettled where I stand.

http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=969

Eouro,

He writes a tough column. And he does have some valid points. Many liberals will dismiss a lot of what he says out of hand, but there is a large group of people in the US that resent big chunks of their taxes going for programs that they see as wasteful and ineffective.

And people do get pissed off at a double standard being applied. For example when Barak Obama says about his grandmother that she is a typical white person, nobody seems to make much of it. However, if Hillary Clinton or Bill said that so and so is a typical black person, they would crucified or at least keel hauled.

So while there is anger in the AA community, I believe that it also exists in among whites, especially those that are at the lower end o f the economic scale. And I don't think that they, if they vote at all, will be voting for Obama.

I think that this primary is exposing a big rift between whites and blacks that has existed for a long time but collectively we have pretended that the relationship is better than it actually is.

"Am I the only one who is still pissed at the way the MSM basically declared Obama the nominee the night the Iowa results came in? WTF??? The whole process has been ludicrous. "

No, Tom -- I felt the same. Just ridiculous.

The one thing I really agree with Buchanan about is
that Obama turned the tables with his speech. I had that feeling while he was speaking, that he was
sidestepping the issue of Rev. Wright by shaking his
finger at us.

As far as this speech being the great historical race
oratory, well, it boggles the mind. The empty heads
saying this obviously never heard Barbara Jordan speak -- or Shirley Chisolm, or Jesse Jackson when
he was really on a roll.

It didn't surprise me that Chris Matthews never knew
any blacks. That's probably true of a lot of the talking
heads. They can't believe anybody is talking about race because THEY never have.

PBs remarks weren't universally true, but there's a heck of lot of truth in them.

Even here, with bright people commenting, remarks such as Bear's yesterday evening making us white people personally responsible for 350-years of hateful repression, are simply over the top and deeply divisive.

Or Alpha's sentiment (I think--couldn't pin him down on it) that separate but really equal was what he wanted, and, when that was achieved, he, and his cohort, did not have a responsibility of helping his urban brothers and sisters to achieve similar success.

Slavery in America is our cross to bear. But, somewhere, people of pure heart have to lift the cross and move it towards the moral high ground.

My family has made a tangible, flesh and blood, commitment to make things better in this country. I'm deeply offended when our efforts are trivialized.

There's enough hurt go around and around. A few days ago I mentioned Dr Ed Gilberg, my Chicago friend who didn't speak a sentence of English until he entered public schools. He told me about the dozens of family members who died during the Holocaust. He worked hard to keep those horrors alive lest others forget. But, that didn't stop him making things better in his own community by starting the first multi-ethnic dental practice in St Petersburg back in the 60s.

Or the memories of my wife and her family who never saw her sister again after her mother gave a Korean businessman permission to have her work in a 'factory' some distance from home. That's the last time they had contact with her.

Now we know what really happened to her, and thousands of other girls, and we work to keep the horrors experience by the Comfort Women alive. But, still, she has made genuine, lasting, friendships with individual Japanese women.

Or of my own father who led the Council on Human Relations in a major northern city, and who was a leader of bringing YMCAs into urban areas. That was back in the 50s and 60s. He was deeply shaken, when at one of his Ys, he was shaken down for money by a group of teens. But that didn't stop him from being an activist.

So, I reject the venom and hate tossed at me. I'm not perfect, but I really have tried to make things better.

Clintons was paid back in full by performing his duties while a member of the Clinton administration to the best of his abilities and with honor and integrity.

Posted by: Richardson Fan | March 22, 2008 2:27 AM

Yeah he did such a great job at the dept of energery

He has a right to endorse but he doesn't have the ability or moral authority to declare the race is over

It was just a ploy by the Obama campaign to change the subject. All it did was reveal the attitude of liberal elistists toward the traditional base of the Democratic Party. Reagan Democrats are apparently neither needed or welcome in the Obama Democratic Party.
Good Luck with that.

Richardson looks like a used car salesman with that beard.

"My family has made a tangible, flesh and blood, commitment to make things better in this country. I'm deeply offended when our efforts are trivialized."

I agree, Flatus. I've felt the same way lately.

*YAWN*

Just another Obama supporter who thinks it best to disenfranchise voters to further his own political career.

Transparent.

Dems are probably doomed in Nov.

I (and several people I know) won't support a party OR a candidate that would support the disenfranchisement of over 2 million voters - especially since it appears that these voters will be disenfranchised for personal political gain.

If FL and MI don't re-vote, Obama will be the illegitimate nominee of the unDemocratic Party - compare that with the person who has been the illegitimate President of the US for the last 8 years.

Ann wrote: "Let the people speak...we're not done talking yet!"

Ann - Hello and Hear! Hear!

ET wrote: "I say to Hillary... FIGHT... FIGHT to the very end. Go to Florida and Michigan and tell them to keep demanding that their states count. Point it out over and over until the DNC realises the mess they will be in if they ignore those two POWERFUL states."

I'm with you!!!

Richardson is irrelevant...wants to make himself relevant.

the coverage of his endorsement yesterday was scant...I kept seeing pictures of Wright and Obama and everyone in a tizzy about Obama's passport. The segments on Richardson were brief and mixed.

"Or the doomsday scenario: Democrats so divided that the party collapses and destroys itself, because party moderates finally get tired of the extreme left control of the agenda in the nominating process."

From what I'm hearing from the people I know and the groups I belong to...this is your likely scenario...especially if Obama become the illegitimate nominee.

I heard this mentioned once (George Stephanopoulos) just after Iowa - Richardson was secretly working with the Obama people to boost his numbers in Iowa (where Obama was strong, some of his supporters would move to Richardson) so he could justify staying in the race. Bill Richardson loves attention. He probably records all his TV appearances, then watches them over and over. Where would BR be without the Clintons - probably still in the House. He is a back-stabbing publicity hound.

ET - It took me a couple of tries to get through PB article on race. After a few sentences I became disgusted and clicked out. Then everyone kept sending it so I decided to read the entire thing and it just got worse and worse and worse.

I don't think his article helps the discussion one little bit. As did Obama's speech (but at least Obama was much nicer and more eloquent), it spent too much time pointing fingers than trying to start a real dialog - and PB was just mean. So far we've had two prominent figures come out and point the finger at the other and no REAL dialog has begun. Shame.

I'm not even gonna post a link, but that Harlem preacher who called Obama a "Mack Daddy" is seemingly as delusional as Idi Amin ... or SOMEBODY. Please don't go to YouTube and look for it...it'll ruin your day...it's disgusting.

And here we are , with a long distance to travel by car, and we're under snow and blowing snow ... again. This has been a terrible winter and early Spring.

Flatus:

With regards to your 7:29 post.

That's the kind of thing we need from our leaders if we want to talk about a real discussion on race.

What kinds of things have we done/can we do to help each other.

Got a little teary reading that - expressed much of my frustration over the past couple of days - thanks - great comment.

Flatus, I am not able to keep up with this blog - so missed the points you reference, Regardless - Well Said !! God Bless you.

If a campaign today take us back to the ills of the 60's then shame shame shame.
To me it reveals the inner weakness and stains the efforts and where I see we are today in 2008.
Stop the madness! Look where we really are, suck it up and lets keep moving forward.

Dex: you have had a tough winter. Wish I could send you some of our daffodils, jonquils, tulips, crazy little Cardinals flying about. Also some really good Easter chocolate and a malted milk egg or two.

Good luck with your drive. We're driving today too, but in a southward direction.

Happy Easter weekend to all.

George, Richardson Fan, Fumio and any other Obama admirer I have missed: welcome to C List, and good luck to you in being the loyal opposition to the prevailing proClinton slant here.

Be good reinforcements to Warren in keeping up a principled and informative campaign.

You might not change minds of any regulars posting voluminously here, but there are lots of lurkers who read your comments too.

Happy first weekend of Spring to all. May this spring be a time of growth and renewal for all of us.

"I don't think his article helps the discussion one little bit. As did Obama's speech (but at least Obama was much nicer and more eloquent), it spent too much time pointing fingers than trying to start a real dialog "

I agree, Wendy. While I agree with PB that Obama used his speech to change the conversation, I disagree with his "these people are better off" theory. God, I've heard that one forever.

What neither the speech nor the article addresses is how to best deal with anything. Both just finger wag.

i think a majority of obama supporters have made a mistake in judging obama too early in the race. it was easy for him too look confident and presidential when everything was going his way. when everybody 's telling him how great he is.when he had 24/7 positive media coverage. one week of negative coverage and he looks shaken and nervous 'defensive. you don't get the full measure of a person in good times' thats easy
it's only when they face adversity'that you can judge someones character. he is'nt holding up very well under the pressure

How Ironic that BHO was first question as was he black enough to win AA votes, now his campaign is becoming divisive and taking the country backwards. So Sad

"regulars posting voluminously "

As opposed to what you and other Obama supporters do. Everyone is welcome here and invited to post their thoughts.

If the aggrieved Obama supporters spent more time on their arguments and less time on imagined insults the discussion would be much different.

Let's keep this thread going.

Meanwhile, Stinky says I must spend my morning working in the yard. She says it's therapeutic. As usual she's right. But, I'm loath to acknowledge that fact to her. It must be residual testosterone.

Peace
Om Ma Ni Pab Mae Hum.

Butter: what you did is called "projection", in psychological terms:

"If the aggrieved Obama supporters spent more time on their arguments and less time on imagined insults the discussion would be much different."

You are one sick puppy.

So Flatus you are on the way to enlightenment

Dex so sorry about the weather, So I will not mention we are in sunny 70's and I will be leaving soon for an outdoor water polo match to watch my daughter

GOP sees Rev. Wright as path to victory

"Now, with the emergence of the notorious video showing the Rev. Jeremiah Wright damning the country, criticizing Israel, faulting U.S. policy for the Sept. 11 attacks and generally lashing out against white America, GOP strategists believe they’ve finally found an antidote to Obamamania.

Just as with John F. Kerry and the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth in 2004, Republican strategists view the Wright flap as deeply damaging to Obama because it strikes at the message, or set of principles, at the heart of his candidacy.

In Obama’s case, the core of his appeal has been that he transcends race and is more inclined toward conciliation than combat.

"This is a guy who associates with some real haters,” he added.

Perhaps most damaging for Obama, his opponents now have the powerful video to make that case.

“You don’t have to say that he’s unpatriotic; you don’t question his patriotism,” he added. “Because I guaran-damn-tee you that, with that footage, you don’t have to say it."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9116.html

I am so proud of this column. You all, well most, have it right. I sent Richardson an email. appalling his endorsement, knowing what he does about Obama. It was sick. But then again, his endorsement is not worth much in my estimation. Hillary will get more money from me for her campaign in honor of him. haha
Hillary stay in there and fight!!! She will wipped the floor with him in PA.
As for MSNBC, I have boycotted it and so have some of my friends, sick network.
Also I think more will come out on Obama just give it time. Wonder what they found in his passport file?

You are one sick puppy.

Posted by: dog hussein dog | March 22, 2008 8:34 AM

Nice name calling. More great arguments from the Obama side.

Alas...I must depart to immerse myself into Jack Kerouac's jazz influences...but much of it is listening to Kerouac read while backed up by some nice blues...so it's not all bad.

Here's one thing Obama could have addressed: the many ways blacks are discriminated within the health insurance industry. Of course he wouldn't do that because he is just as corporate as Hillary if not more so.

And aboout Richardson and any other superdelegate....you never know where those people are really coming from. My congressman is rabidly pro Obama. Why? Because he's an arch conservative Democrat who tried to get Hillary to compromise on her health care plan back in the day. She shut him down. Now, maybe she should have compromised, I don't know. But I do like the fact that she didn't back down.

Patsi:

I'm so glad I don't have to deal with my Rep. being an Obama supporter - my Rep is a Hillary supporter and surrogate

Otherwise she might find some young opponent coming up against her in the next election.

;-)

Now...back to Jack.

The Clinton’s are named defendants in a Civil Fraud Case connected to Campaign Finance irregularities and have not disclosed the appeal of the case. There will be a trial date set at a hearing on April 25th, just 3 days after the key Pennsylvania Primary for the Fraud Case Paul v. Clinton in the Los Angeles Superior Court. Plaintiff says he will call Gov Rendell will be a witness in the case. He probably should not be raising funds for Michigan until he has answered questions about this 2000 Clinton Fundraiser. From what I understand, this case began when prior to Sen. Clinton’s 2000 New York Senate campaign and also raised donations for Pres. Clinton’s Library.

We don’t know the Clinton’s side of the story because they have not disclosed this. But Peter Paul tells his side of the story on Video.

Just Google: “Hillary Uncensored”
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7007109937779036019

Los Angeles Superior Court of Appeals: http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org
Then click on Civil Case Summaries and enter case number to see case history.
Case Number: BC304174
Los Angeles Superior Court Public Information Office at (213) 974-5227.

"Here's one thing Obama could have addressed: the many ways blacks are discriminated within the health insurance industry. Of course he wouldn't do that because he is just as corporate as Hillary if not more so" Patsi

By the time the legislation passed the Senate, in May 2004, Obama had written three successful amendments, at least one of which made key changes favorable to insurers.

"Most significant, universal healthcare became merely a policy goal instead of state policy - the proposed commission, renamed the Adequate Health Care Task Force, was charged only with studying how to expand healthcare access. In the same amendment, Obama also sought to give insurers a voice in how the task force developed its plan.

Lobbyists praised Obama for taking the insurance industry's concerns into consideration"

I need better health care because I am a

Good Morning Craig, Everyone:

Interesting little sidebar of how MSNBC is in the tank for Senator Obama, CBS has a poll that shows 63% of people approved of Senator Obama’s speech, but in a satellite link interview Alex Whitt rounded off 63% to 70%. I was always taught in math class in order to round off to the next tens unit it would have to have been 65+% otherwise it should have been rounded off to 60% not 70%

LOL ok so I’m splitting hairs I need some slack lol it has not been a great week for Hillary supporters.

Sincerely,
Heather

Am I missing something? Neither one of them will make it to 2,025, correct?

Wendy, enjoy the Kerouac. It's probably the set I got on cassette in 1992, with Steve Allen backing Jack's readings. I don't think Kerouac made any other sets like that. I just finished a 2-page a day read of Kerouac's "Maggie Cassidy", one of my fave Kerouac novels. It's just a wonderful story.

Richardson making the rounds today..
He drank the kool-aide? And wants to hide under a blanket and pull the party together - Sorry Bill - this vetting now is only a start.
Of course the MSM is also trying to reconcile their own injustice by protecting BHO - so maybe Bill is correct - BHO will get the softball treatment.
Maybe Richardson is on to something - to bad it is not the truth

Even the Huffobama recognizes Peter Paul as a whack job. Anyone can file a civil suit.

I am one of those FL people that feel left out. Our FL Reps screwed up the Dem primary and the Dems suffered. If we don't count now, don't look for my money or support in Nov.

Dear Craig:
You are are tuned into my tv for this coming Monday morning 6.30 est. And Craig let Joe know there is the "Craig Brigade" humbly but tempered with assertiveness that MSNBC should give you a show. They have an open slot all they need do is can the doc block nonsense and that allows an additional hour per day for you to host your own show on MSNBC.

Sincerely,
Heather

There has already been a criminal trial on the issues of the Peter Paul Case and the Clinton side was aquitted.

Flatus

Wonderful post. It just made me angrier at the blathering of Chris Matthews yesterday. His attempts to excuse his own racism by attributing it to everyone of his era was insulting to the memories of people like Andrew Goodman, who made the ultimate sacrifice to promote racial equality.

I don't think the Richardson endorsement is going to have much impact. His appearances today amount to gossip about his conversation with Senator Clinton.
I am sure for every Hispanic vote he might attract, members of the LGBT community will be glad they are with Senator Clinton.

How did that Kennedy endorsement work out?

obama does'nt pass the 'foxhole test with me
if you were in a pitched life and death battle with an enemy that does'nt take prisoners who would you want in the foxhole with you ? think i'd have to go with clinton' that is one tough lady

"Democrats so divided that the party collapses and destroys itself, because party moderates finally get tired of the extreme left control of the agenda in the nominating process. "

This is the one that worries me simply because it is the one that led the Republicans down the path to destruction. After reaching its extreme with the disaster of the Bush 43 presidency, the far right has imploded under the weight of its own evil and hubris leaving them with a candidate that is the last man standing only because he has a fewer corporate connections and more left leaning tendencies.

Can Sen. Obama beat him. Possibly. Will either one be good for the country. NO.

Patsi

"Here's one thing Obama could have addressed: the many ways blacks are discriminated within the health insurance industry. Of course he wouldn't do that because he is just as corporate as Hillary if not more so."

This is the main reason I am hoping still for an Edwards endorsement of Sen Clinton. He can't be hurt by the political winds blowing through the party, so he might as well do the right thing to bring about the health care he envisions.

Dear Craig:
I hope it is an "in studio" appearence on Morning Joe rather than a satellite link up.

I say that because I have seen you on many satellite link ups and many times you have tried to get a point across but interupted or cut short due to time constraints, hard breaks etc, it frustrates me cause I would have loved to hear the point you are trying to convey but unfortunately deprived of it.
I suppose thats the hazzard of these short live interview segments.

Sincerely,
Heather

Senator Obama seems to be hung up on this "typical white person" stuff I'd love for him to expand his personal definition of just what constitutes a typical white person.

I'm seriously thinking of changing my true name "Heather" to my alter ego "Typical White Female" in honor of the messiah Obama :-))

--Heather

i dont think hillary should get out until the covention .....the dem party needs to be rebuilt and modernized....the old far left liberals dont want clinton because she will govern from the center not the far left just like bill did ..... he is now hated by that wing of the party as all can see by this campaign.......220 million to rebuild harlem and many other things he did for the black community...are conveniently tossed a side....the old liberals (kennedy, kerry et al) will control obama.........
i have to blame the DNC for all this hate ....the primary system they have is a horror story ... all these months of campaigning ...and strippimg the the fourth and eighth largest states of their delagates.... .caucus's where 2 percent of voters pick the winner.....open primaries where outsiders can pick the winner.......super delagates where the winner is picked for political reasons...proportional distribution of delagates ....this set up is geared for no one to win 2025 delagates ....HRC wins 3 states obama wins one state and she only gains 7 delagates....what kind of genius came up with this math .....the more candidates are on the road the more they have to attack to try to separate themselves ...the more their electorate gets hateful and start saying things that are outrageous...15 months and still going ...thay cant keep saying the same thing so they resort to throwing things against the wall to see what sticks.....DNC created this mess and deserve to be laughed at....maybe this should go to the convention and tear this dem party apart so it can be rebuilt with some sanity and common sense

There are so many things wrong with that Buchanan article that it would take me a book to reply. He lists a few good things to make them look like a cure when they actually made the situation worse.

Simply start with 350 years of slavery, abuse, and destruction of culture and families followed by 50 years of pretty much white designed benevolence that now says, "all better now. What's your problem?"

End result: Those who were already educated and accomplished started to meld into what is still a predominantly white culture while leaving behind those who were most disadvantaged. Are those left behind often their own worst enemy? Sure they are, but you don't change those conditions by telling them to shape up because they are so lucky to be there.

as far as I'm concerned obama is a little twerp.

obama get a free ride from the media......he says he dosnt have papers for his 8 years in ill senate ,,,,,,,,he has lied on about 7 different and nothing is said ....he is a member of achurch that has in its doctrine thats whites are the problem in this country ......etc.....etc.....everything he says is gospel .....clinton is being harrased for he years as first lady ....11000 pages of her schedules ...and now they are ready to release 20.000 pages of her phone logs ......i would like to see obamas phone records for the last 10 years ...i bet they will tell quit a story ....but noooo he wont even be asked about anything because he is the media candidate ......talk about democracy .....one candidate is brutalized and the other is cannonized.........this system has to be changed .......if all this rev wright fiasco was reported in november he would have been toast ...but the media protected him ......i have no love for sean hannity but i give him credit for ballls that no democrat has ,,,,,he will keep pushing until obama is completely vetted ....

Craig
You are Soooooooooo in in the tank for Obama. ;-0
I would threaten to leave but I don't want to read all those 'don't let the door hit you in the ass" comments.

To give you my real thoughts about Richardson. First , it must be living where I live but I don't think of Richardson as being Hispanic. He just looks too ordinary suburban like, not like Tip O'Neil looked Irish.

My other thoughtis, if this is the way the great Pooh bahs in the party think they can solve the little problem that has been created here, then we are screwed. The democratic party needs its Jamies and Patsies. Richardson's way will just alienate them.

Jack

It is kind of ironic that Richardson would make the age argument against Clinton. I guess that means he is taking himself out of the vp race...he certainly is not the new generation.

Wasn't he the one who made the experience argument?

"He owed the Clintons support. It makes him untrustworthy to me."

If anything - this should make you trust him more. Yet of course Clinton supporters accept - as dogma - all the statements from Clinton loyalists like Carville, Gov, Rendell, etc. You all think there analysis is "spot on" - even though it is obviously biased...

Oh - and don't let me forget Pat B. - he is advocating for Clinton - and if you don't think he has the GOP interests at the top of his list - you are the ones being naive....

Wendy:

"I (and several people I know) won't support a party OR a candidate that would support the disenfranchisement of over 2 million voters - especially since it appears that these voters will be disenfranchised for personal political gain."

Did you get these talking points from the Clinton Campaign or the GOP.

I thought you people were all about the Democratic Party. Sounds more and more like you are saying "Hillary or bust."

Later - got to take Lucy to get a hair cut.

Jack:

If you tried to leave - I'd block the door!

Warren,

Up line I said what I thought of Buchanan. About the only points I am willing to give him is that at least someone is questioning the over the top media slobber for Sen Obama. Other than that, you are absolutely right and he is far right. The only one more in the tank of the Republicans is his sister Bay.

"“Mr. Richardson’s endorsement came right around the anniversary of the day when Judas sold out for 30 pieces of silver, so I think the timing is appropriate, if ironic,” Mr. Carville said, referring to Holy Week. "

ouch...LOL...but true

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/22/us/politics/22richardson.html

God Richardson thinks a lot of himself.

Memo to Richardson:

You are irrelevant...that's why nobody voted for you...your political career is over for 2 reasons: 1) If Obama gets the nomination he will lose in the general election and you'll become a footnote or 2) Hillary will win the nomination and she won't return your calls when you come back begging for forgiveness. Get over yourself Richardson - all you've done is stoke up Hillary's fund raising. I know several people that have donated because of you.

"I thought you people were all about the Democratic Party. Sounds more and more like you are saying "Hillary or bust."

Warren, here's another thought.

We actually care about the country before we care about the party and genuinely believe that Sen Obama is a mistake.

How divided is the opinion nationally about Clinton/Obama?

Gallup Daily Tracking

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105559/Gallup-Daily-Clinton-Now-47-Obamas-45.aspx

"You are irrelevant...that's why nobody voted for you."

This is one of several similar comments from her supporters this AM. I think that that would be good enough for me to feel good about supporting BHO.

It's time for Tom and Daisy to quit. Maybe Uncle Vernon will tell them..lol How ironic.!

Wendy:

Another example of Clinton supporters absolutely trashing, throwing under the bus, etc. anyone who comes out to support Obama.

I thought before this thing started - you people liked Kennedy, Richardson, etc.

Now you are trashing Democratic leaders just like the Right Wing attack machine.

Oh Warren - there you go again - refuse to face the facts.

O' is a liar

O' is a cheater

O' is only interested in himself and his political career

and O' has been exposed for the shyster he is.

Keep hope alive Warren - but I'm not alone in my feelings about you're precious O' -

He stalled on MI and FL because he would lose those elections and probably go into the convention behind at the very least in the popular vote and maybe even in delegates - his actions are for his own political gain - everything he's ever done is for his own advancement -

When asked about the slums his friend (and admitidly STILL FRIEND) Rezko ran in Obama's district...what is his answer: I didn't know.

Now THAT'S living HIS words.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/06/fix_pick_bill_richardson_and_t.html

And Warren - most everyone here was very critical of the PB piece...adds nothing but hate to the conversation...I'm sure your remark was a way of subtly implying that Clinton supporters are racists.

Talk about talking points - looks like you learned a few things from the Obama campaign as well.

There is a process and it's been in place for quite some time. Whoever has more votes and delegates wins....period. Not whoever wins the largest states. Not whoever can embellish their resume the most.

The Clinton's have already severely damaged their legacy with their strongest supporters....the African-American community. Bill's antics in SC, equating a giant movement like Obama's to Jesse Jackson's win in SC, calling Barack's opposition to the war 'a fairy tale,' Clinton supporters smearing a fine and decent American like Obama who happens to be the most gifted politician I've ever seen (including Reagan and Bill Clinton), and on and on. They are shameless in their pursuit.

Two terms were not enough, They want it all and Hillary obviously feels a total sense of entitlement. They will wreck and destroy anyone that gets in their way.

Being first lady has never qualified someone to be president. The embelishment of Hillary's experience resume is sickening! Barack has actually been an elected official longer than Hillary and he doesn't have to claim he dodged sniper fire and ran for his life on the tarmac in Bosnia. Amazing. Totally Amazing how many lies the Clinton campaign will tell to get what they seek.

I was an ardent Clinton supporter. I've visited the Clinton birthplace in Hope, AK. I've been to the library in Little Rock. I even have Clinton watermellon seeds! I am totally turned off to their antics and have lost all respect for both Bill and Hillary, as have many other Americans.

The best thing the Clintons can do is face reality. The math is not doable. They have lost this race and in my view that would not have happened had they taken an honest, high road to the nomination.

While the 90s were good, let's not forget the wagging finger, Don't ask, don't tell, NAFTA, Bill's big anti-drug push (only to pardon his own brother for drug offenses), and all the other scandals. Now records show Hillary was in the White House while Bill frolicked in the Oval office with Monica. I personally do not want the Dem party tarnished by more of the 90s. type Clinton mistakes. They had their chance. He was impeached. Can we tolerate another four or eight years of that type of scandals and remain a viable party? I don't think so.

Hillary supporters- we'll just have to ride this news about Richardson out. The Obama camp is freaking out. The whole thing was designed to make us forget about Obama's problems. The "networks" are acting like it's over!!(again).The people of PA won't let us down.

BTW Warren:

You are mistaken

I despise Kennedy always have. For the most part, not a fan of the Kennedy's in general. I've posted here in detail about this.

My problem with Richardson, I will admit, did not start until the Sunday morning show before OH/TX where he played endorsement word games and showed himself to be the chump he is.

I'm not going to endorse. Endorsements don't mean anything. I still might endorse. Endorsements don't mean anything.

Then following that up with Hillary should drop out of the race the day after OH/TX

He's proven himself to be a political opportunist...and so yes he deserves a few tire marks on his face.

"There is a process and it's been in place for quite some time. Whoever has more votes and delegates wins....period. " ERR

Wrong. The winner is whomever get the
needed number of votes. That's when the contest is over.

Obama damaged Bill Clinton it was the only way he could win.

The only reason Obama is desparate to shut down the race is because he is losing. All of the up coming states including NC are trending to Clinton.

Obama's campaign made a big deal out of Clinton allegedly being afraid to compete in SC. Well who is afraid now?

At least get your facts right,

I am a lifelong Democrat who started this election proud of my party, but now am utterly embarrassed.

Why do we have such a ridiculous, Rube Goldberg system for choosing our party's standard bearer?! Somebody with the stature of a John Edwards had better come out and clearly explain the purpose and the role of Super Delegates. NOT Howard Dean or Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reed who are all classic examples of incompetent leaders who have the clarity and effectiveness of the Mad Hatter hosting Alice's Tea Party.

Are Super Delegates just there to rubber stamp the decision of their constituates? And if so, then how can John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, and now Bill Richardson turn their backs on the decisions of the voters in their states? What is their purpose and mission??? Who ever comes out as our nominee is going to be weakened and compromised by this convoluted, secretive, "Democratic" system. It makes the Tax Code seem clear, straightforward and equitable.

Some neutral, respected Democrat had better explain this ridiculous system to everyone, and do it quick. Because I, for one, am embarrassed and angry, and I agree with the conservative pundits who laugh dismissively at our insane system. I am ready to bolt the party for good.

"While the 90s were good, let's not forget the wagging finger, Don't ask, don't tell, NAFTA, Bill's big anti-drug push (only to pardon his own brother for drug offenses), and all the other scandals. Now records show Hillary was in the White House while Bill frolicked in the Oval office with Monica. I personally do not want the Dem party tarnished by more of the 90s. type Clinton mistakes. They had their chance. He was impeached. Can we tolerate another four or eight years of that type of scandals and remain a viable party? "

These type of screeds by liberal wing nuts have me questioning if it is worth it to stay in the Democratic party. Their idea of debate is to attack and tear down.

Jack

Err

There are so many errors in your post that I'll only tackle one.

Impeachment is simply accusation. Once the trial was held he was found not guilty. It was a far right kangaroo court from beginning to end.

"It sounds more like McCarthy," McPeak said. "I grew up, I was going to college when Joe McCarthy was accusing good Americans of being traitors, so I've had enough of it."

I agree, WJC or anyone in her campaign should quit insinuating that Sen. Obama is not patriotic.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/another-bill-clinton-mome_n_92818.html

Hillary supporters- we'll just have to ride this news about Richardson out. The Obama camp is freaking out. The whole thing was designed to make us forget about Obama's problems. The "networks" are acting like it's over!!(again).The people of PA won't let us down.

Posted by: Gayle | March 22, 2008 11:16 AM

Here's why they are freaking out.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/

These type of screeds by liberal wing nuts have me questioning if it is worth it to stay in the Democratic party. Their idea of debate is to attack and tear down.

Jack

Posted by: whskyjack |

Are you referring to the Obama wing nuts or the Hillary wing nuts?

Do you think there are no wing nuts in the Republican party?

Jack....I'm not sure that guy is a liberal wing nut. The following sure sounds like regurgitated right wing crap to me:

"I personally do not want the Dem party tarnished by more of the 90s. type Clinton mistakes. They had their chance. He was impeached. Can we tolerate another four or eight years of that type of scandals and remain a viable party? ""

I wonder if this means Richardson is retiring after his term is up. I thought he would run for the open senate seat but it sounds like he will be making room for someone else --younger hopefully someone who will add to the diversity in the Senate.

"These type of screeds by liberal wing nuts have me questioning if it is worth it to stay in the Democratic party."

Jack you sure sound like a Republican to me, that sounds more like the words of Pat Buchanan than it does the words of a real Democrat. Every movement that has improved the lives of Americans has it's birth in the liberal movement. What's your problem with liberals?

Social Security
Medicare
Unions
Civil Rights
Voter Rights
Anti-lynching Laws
Child Labor Laws
Min. Wage
40 Hour Work Week

These are just a few of the things we can be grateful to the liberals for.

Another subject-What was with the confetti at the Richardson endorsement yesterday? BIG DEAL!! Who are they trying to scam? Whoever said Obama is worried has it right. Just let the people vote. As far as the so called news anchors-we don't care who you are for. I don't mind when the talking heads for each side give an opinion,but all the "neutral journalists" are out of control. Props to ABC for breaking the Wright story. Everyone else was burying it. What have we become?

"Impeachment is simply accusation. Once the trial was held he was found not guilty. It was a far right kangaroo court from beginning to end.'

I always like how women and in particular feminists defend this guy and his behavior toward them. I won't go as far as calling him a rapist as the far right does but, there are facts and not just accusations to go with it all. He did lose his bar license for a reason, and a reason behind that reason.

WJC is the single biggest reason I never supported her. I'm don't want to see any more sexual harassment in the WH.
i think Rommey put it best with his debate comments.

I can not support a political party that feels it acceptable to not count votes from the citizens of Michigan and Florida.

They have to count the votes.

Proud Liberal

"Social Security, Medicare, Unions, Civil Rights,
Voter Rights, Anti-lynching Laws, Child Labor Laws
Min. Wage, 40 Hour Work Week"

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being liberal, but I would like to point out that all of those items were Socialist programs that could only pass into law via legislation crafted with the assistance and votes of moderates. If you think for a second that Democrats such as Hubert Humphrey have anything in common with today's "liberals", you need to study a little history.

JFK and RFK would be taking the baby Teddy to the woodshed along about now.

I won't go as far as calling him a rapist as the far right does but, there are facts and not just accusations to go with it all. He did lose his bar license for a reason, and a reason behind that reason.

But you are happy to deal in false innuendo.
Nice to see the real reasons come out. A bunch of puritans who hate the Clintons have found a happy home with Obama. You have nothing to say about Obama, it's all about hatng the Clintons.

Labeling President Clinton as a rapist is about as disgusting as it gets. Of course this is from the same group calling him a racist.

You have certainly put the level of conversation here to a new low. As an Obama supporter you must be very proud.

Hi again , I'm sorry for all my posts today! This is the last today. I guess I'll have to change over to Obama now that the girl in the ad has said she is for Obama!!?? What the hey? A seventeen year old "actress" has ANYTHING to say about it. Who is desperate now. Me thinks Obama protests too much.

"He did lose his bar license for a reason,"

Yes. It's called perjury. He was asked questions that had nothing to do with the trial underway and he lied. Lying under oath can cost you your licens. In any case, I think a multiple bypass might have slowed him down some in that department.

Again, none of this has anything whatsoever with how good a President Senator Clinton would be. I am always amazed by the number of people who think she should have just thrown away the father of her beloved daughter, and a marriage of a quarter century just because a man she loved and respected for a lot of reasons was a dog in other areas. Sex and fidelity is only one part of a marriage.

Since at least 60% of the married men cheat on their wives, by your reasoning there should be a lot more divorces.

Proud liberal used this list to make a point:

Social Security, Medicare
Unions, Civil Rights
Voter Rights, Anti-lynching Laws
Child Labor Laws, Min. Wage
40 Hour Work Week

When Jack was talking about the "left wing of the
liberal" crowd, he was not dissing "liberals."

He was talking about a generation of holier-than-thou people like those that reside at Kos and TPM, and chastise Hillary Clinton for working with the other party, while blindly following the guy running on a platiform based around working with the other party.

By the way, in your little laundry list, I noticed you didn't mention ANYTHING about women. Oh, yeah -- I forgot that part of this new liberal left movement is to opine that giving some on women's right to choose might be a good idea.

STEPHANIE SALTER: Stop the presses — Hillary is a real human being
By Stephanie Salter
The Tribune-Star

TERRE HAUTE — According to her enemies and much of the national news media, Hillary Rodham Clinton is cold, robotic, calculating, vindictive and about as personable as surgical steel.

Tell that to Josephine Sullivan.

I could not find a link since it was sent to me by my son. But I am sure you all can find it. Very nice article, but something we already new about Senator Clinton.

"I always like how women and in particular feminists defend this guy and his behavior toward them. "

ROFL, Rez. Feminists don't live in other people's pants.
Most of us figure that's between Hill and Bill.

Keystone Democrats Set to Defect

"In the new Franklin & Marshall College Poll (read it HERE) some good news for Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, and some troubling news for Democrats.

Clinton leads Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, 51% to 35% -- increasing her lead from February, when she was up 44% to 37%. She leads among young voters, wealthier voters...voters in virtually every demographic group, with the exceptions of Philly voters and non-whites.

In a sign of just how divisive and ugly the Democratic fight has gotten, only 53% of Clinton voters say they'll vote for Obama should he become the nominee. Nineteen percent say they'll go for Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and 13% say they won't vote.

Grim."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/keystone-democr.html

Patsi all the things I posted effected women just as much they effected men. Before you go accusing people of a myopic outlook you should take a look at your own views. Being an Obama supporter doesn't not equate to being a sexist. I've read a great many of your posts, and it seems to me all the bashing based on gender is coming from your camp, not mine. Have a nice day.

Personally, I don't care much that Richardson endorsed Obama. He obviously wanted to change the media attention.

What did bother me was something Richardson said during the endorsement. He started talking about his reasons, and said it was when he looked in the faces of the Obama supporters. He indicated that they just had a special "look" when they listened to him.

Well, that "look" is what has bothered me all along.

Just a little too fawning for me.

Here is the Stephanie Salter article

http://www.tribstar.com/stephanie_salter

It says what virtually every other person who knows her says, but the anti Clinton folks don't want to know what a caring and warm human being she is. They like their cold, calculating and manipulative right wing image so much more.

"In any case, I think a multiple bypass might have slowed him down some in that department."

And the excuses just keep coming.

Next time i read the comments where some woman say's, she had it coming...' I'll think back to here.

Jamie, I think this is one subject we'll never agree on. . . .

What I don't understand about the whole "supporting the Democratic Party" argument is how some people keep saying "We don't want another Clinton in the White House!" I get the feeling that a lot of people who have been here over the last few months didn't like Bill Clinton as President. I mean , I hear a lot of people talking bad about past Democratic presidents or presidential nominees and wonder if some people have liked any Democrat Presidents or nominees before Obama came along?

Rezdog

Shouldn't you be hounding Gov Paterson out of office given your standards, I am sure your moral outrage compells you to start the campaign.

hey...
I see this entire fight as ridiculous......

of course Richardson is a political opportunist......
anyone want to try to name me a politician (especially one that ran to be president) who isn't.....

they ALL are..... that's a given in my book...... they are ALL self-serving....
they ALL have to compromise their values once elected to office to get anything done..... both parties..... and independents too....

this fight goes around and around and goes NOWHERE...... never has.... never will......

ALL politicians running for president make stump speeches that promise all sorts of things that NEVER come to fruition....

as a voter.... you do the best you can to sort out the bullshit and pick the one that speaks the most to you..... if that choice offends someone...... TOUGH!...

the only thing that most citizens can control in this whole process is whom they choose to vote for.....

in all the years I was an election official..... I lost my cool only once.....
a newly naturalized citizen from Greece was adamant that he was getting into the voting booth with his wife in order to make sure she voted correctly.....
everyone stood around not sure what to do..... but kept calling out to him to get out of her booth.... all 4'11" of me went flying into that booth and promptly told him to get his butt into his own booth ..... he tried to explain to me it was ok because she was his wife and it was his duty to make sure she voted correctly...... I was furious and read him the riot act about how in this country NO ONE had the right to decide how someone else voted except the individual themselves..... he refused to move, so I called the cop presiding at the election over to deal with him..... he moved his butt then....

I will not judge anyone here or anywhere else on whom they choose to vote for..... that is every individual's right in this country......

you don't like it..... move to Greece....

Well, now we know where Oprah went. On a feeding frenzy

http://www.celebitchy.com/10247/oprah_winfrey_hits_246_pounds_claims_enquirer/

Oh I see, now,

"In any case, I think a multiple bypass might have slowed him down some in that department."

the ultimate saltpeter. lol We'll see

Impeachment is not an accusation. It is a legal process albeit one part of two. The first is impeachment. The second is removal from office. A simple majority is needed to impeach. Bill Clinton was not just accused.

Bill Clinton was impeached on December 19, 1998 by the House of Representatives on grounds of perjury to a grand jury (by a 228–206 vote) and obstruction of justice (by a 221–212 vote).

No other articles of impeachment on a count of perjury in the Jones case (by a 205–229 vote), and one accusing President Clinton of abuse of power (by a 48–285 vote). President Clinton was acquitted of the obstruction charge by a 5 to 50 vote in the Senate.

Note: A person can be impeached but not removed from office as was the case with Bill Clinton.

Whether impeached or removed......it's slime at it's worst. The only thing slimier I've seen from them since is their conduct in this campaign.

I'm not a liberal nut. I am a Reagan Republican that crossed over to vote for WJC...both times. I'm also white and sickened by their attempts to destroy Barack Obama.

Hillary claims she and John McCain bring a lifetime of experience to whereas Obama brings a speech. Disgusting to the core!

Jamie when I saw Richardson being interviewed he also mentioned that he was troubled by 3:00 AM phone ad, and the tone that is coming from the Hillary camp. Many people within the party and I include myself in that group are highly offended that one Democrat would use the "kitchen sink" against another Democrat.

ROFL, Rez. Feminists don't live in other people's pants.
Most of us figure that's between Hill and Bill.

Patsi,

You hold Donna Brazille responsible. I look to Bill Clinton as much as anything for 2000.

"Even here, with bright people commenting, remarks such as Bear's yesterday evening making us white people personally responsible for 350-years of hateful repression, are simply over the top and deeply divisive."

Flatus, so if I understand you correctly, I am being divisive by pointing out how after the American Government stacked the deck in favor of white America, which necessitated the use of Affirmative Action to try to make the slightest amends? I think you are proving my point. Any person of color that I know doesn't wan't special favors, we want a level playing. I find many in white America are afraid to compete on that level arena.

Again, the comment I made yesterday was based on how quickly white, who started losing deals they once had to minority businesses, were quick to complain about reverse racism. How long has it been since the start of Affirmative Action until conservatives got cases to the supreme court and started winning? I would say less than 30 years.

Now I'm no math major, but 350 is greater than 30. The real division I see is that we have a group that likes to dish it out but has neither the stomach nor the constitution to take it when the favor is returned.

In a country like South Africa, I could understand the genuine fear the white population could have had when the ANC took over. I haven't researched this topic deeply, but from the feedback I have gotten from a couple of white South African friends I have, it was nowhere near as bad as they thought it would be.

I have long argued that the issue has always been more about economics than race...however the Republican party was able to use the race issue as a wedge to attract voters who would receive no economic benefit doing so.

The average family living in poverty is white, lives in a rural area and has 2.2 kids. When the issue comes up in campaigns, conservatives always talk about the black mother in the ghetto popping out kids to pad her welfare check. For the record, each new child only added about $20 per month in the 90's and I don't think that changed much now.

I will post again shortly about my connection with interracial dating attitudes amongst blacks and whites and this current campaign shortly.

Rezdog

Don't forget Senators Vitter and Craig.

You must shiver with digust every time you see your hero with Ted Kennedy, a notorious womanizer whose careless drunken behavior resulted in a woman's death. How do you stand it?

"Craig let Joe know there is the "Craig Brigade" humbly but tempered with assertiveness that MSNBC should give you a show. "

I keep hoping for a Crawford/Maddow show. Of course that much intelligence, sensitivity, and clarity in one room at MSNBC would probably demonstrate to Matthews et al what total tools they are.

WJC is the single biggest reason I never supported her. I'm don't want to see any more sexual harassment in the WH.

i think Rommey put it best with his debate comments.

Posted by: Rezdog | March 22, 2008 11:57 AM

What a stupid reason for not supporting her. She is not her husband. Sheesh!

Rezdog,

Did you read the whole response? Are you married or have you ever been married? If so would you or did you just throw it all away because your feelings were hurt?

It is very easy to be noble and above it all when it isn't your life. Sen. Clinton made the choice that worked for her and her family. Who are you to tell her she was wrong? I certainly wouldn't second guess her decision about her own life. Isn't that what feminism is supposed to be about - making your own decisions?

I'd like to say thanks to everyone who commented on the Buchanan piece. I am going to read it again, more carefully. I feel uncomfortable that I agree with so much of it. Like everyone, I have my own racism issues to deal with. I am glad we are willing to have this discussion.

ERR

Legal definition of impeachment: impeachment (a formal document charging a public official with misconduct in office)

It is nothing but an accusation. It is made in the house. The trial is held in the Senate. He was NOT GUILTY.

The only other President to be impeached was Andrew Johnson. He was also found NOT GUILTY>

Bear

See my response about the PB article

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/richardsons-call-to-surrender.html#comment-56482

"I've read a great many of your posts, and it seems to me all the bashing based on gender is coming from your camp"

Somebody better look out for gender issues. The press doesn't give a flip.

Excellent observations, Renee.

" I am a Reagan Republican "

I should have guessed.

More thorough read:

Buchanan says that Obama proclaims: "The “white community” must invest more money in black schools and communities, enforce civil rights laws, ensure fairness in the criminal justice system and provide this generation of blacks with “ladders of opportunity” that were “unavailable” to Barack’s and the Rev. Wright’s generations."

I see nothing wrong with investing more money in schools and communities that need them, but I wouldn't make it race based, but income and poverty based. The fact that so many blacks live in poverty would mean that large investments would be made in their communities, but by making it class based the resentments over "race preferences" is minimized.

ALL civil rights laws should be VIGOROUSLY enforced. We have seen the results of unfair justice systems where white defendants and black defendants on trial for a similar crime result in differing sentences. The mere fact that more blacks are routinely given the death penalty proves Obama's point.

Not sure about the "ladders of opportunities" but again, make it poverty based. Heck, i benefited from one of those "social programs" in college. It was called KEY services .. KEEP ENHANCING YOURSELF. It was designed to help students who came from families without education, to remain committed to their education and help them succeed in an environment where they were never expected to be or achieve. I was also first generation... father no more than an 8th grade education, mother basic HS diploma. I was insecure as hell. People around me had their plans mapped out since they were kids. I read Hubert Humphrey's autobiography and it motivated me to seek education, even as I wasn't sure I could "cut it."

That's my first thoughts. Sorry for going on so long.

ET,

It's called "Clinton Fatigue". . . What a concept!
I don't trust her because of him. Sorry.

Fair or not, I'm ready to move on.

I hope that when the convention is over that y'all circle the wagons around whichever DEM is nominated. At that time my pit bull will enter the dog fight.

Sorry dog. ;-)

tt

Jamie,

My focus was not whether HRC should have stayed with him.
My original beef was about all the underlining crap with his impeachment and how women (dems) always defend him, when he clearly is guilty of sexual harassment in the workplace. And therefore I have lost respect for him.

jamie - Yeah, the last guest on Tucker's show told him that although they disagreed with each other, he appreciated being allowed to finish his sentences and make his point (or something to that effect). Anyway, it was clearly a reference to Tweety-I-love-the-sound-of-my-own-voice-Matthews. Chris is OK, but the over-talking is tiresome.

rr - I wold've paid good money to see the tiny, tornado go after that guy. Wow.! You have booths up there?

We have these Inspector Gadget-type briefcases-with-legs voting booths in TX. (They apparently load the ballot with what appears to be an 8-track tape; it's very odd.) No privacy. Everyone in that cramped little space is staring right over your shoulder. The only problem while I was there this year was a Muslim woman who was offended when a precinct worker made her put her Obama literature in her purse.

Hey, I learned that lesson the hard way long ago when I showed up in my candidate's tee-shirt & was told to zip up my jacket so the logo was out of view...but I didn't argue with anyone or take offense to it.

What happened to Richardson watching sports with his good buddy Bill? Is Richardson bucking for Veep? Is he really trying to buoy up Obama's campaign, or, was he just a rat waiting to see which ship to abandon? If that's the case, he should've jumped the political fence and hopped on McCain's boat. There is no way Obama can win the general & we are destined for more GOP rule. The Republicans will show no mercy & he won't be able to talk himself into the WH.

Off to a BBQ/egg hunt.
Have a good day!

"When they set out, it all looked so bright — away to the West, to the Denver convention, nothing but blue skies ahead. They had a continent to cross, a nation to convince, and they vowed to do it in a way that had never been done before."

Good editorial on Democratic electoral politics...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/22/opinion/22egan.html?th&emc=th

"The only problem while I was there this year was a Muslim woman who was offended when a precinct worker made her put her Obama literature in her purse."

I can only wonder as to why you found it necessary to mention the woman's religion. Had she been wearing a cross would you have referred to her as the a Christian woman?

Very interesting discussion :)

Renee:
Sparkey & Clan send lots of
(((((((((((((((((((Hugs and Licks your way))))))))))))

Sincerely Heather

"Inspector Gadget-type briefcases-with-legs voting booths" blue excellent description. That's exactly what they look like.

tt

has anyone else reported about this?(I just found it)

Exclusive: Obama Connection to Terrorists Revealed by Talk Show Host

http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=8310

or this

Wright-HAMAS-Obama
http://savagepolitics.com/

this looks way too hot for teflon barry