Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Am I first??

Go Hillary...

The site is slow tonight.
Must be all those lurkers waiting for my pearls of wisdom.

Jack

re-posted from the last thread:

Hillary's Math Problem
By Jonathan Alter
Newsweek

"Forget tonight. She could win 16 straight and still lose."

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/030408R.shtml

"Must be all those lurkers waiting for my pearls of wisdom."

You got that right Jack.....PS thanks again for the Boeing links.

They ran out of ballots somewhere in Ohio.... what were they thinking...

"oh this could be enough, yeah, no problem if we run out, most people don't show, go ahead and order 10% fewer then the number of voters, we'll save 24.00, you know they are paper this year - yeah good idea"

first graders could do a better job

repost from the previous thread

Blonde wino,

did you guys get any snow yesterday? We woke up in Alpine, Tx up on one of the mountains there and we had 45 mph wind and 20F temps and snow. Almost all morning. Then I had to drive 500 miles to go home so I could be here to vote. The 4 days before yesterday were great and looked like the Chamber of Commerce had ordered the weather.

Looks like you got the computer issues worked out.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Ohio Exit Polls: "Hillary won by 11 points among voters who made up their minds in the last three days, 55%-44%."

One reason Hillary should hang on is that at some point between now and the convention, a deal breaker event may hit Obama, which will make him an undesirable choice to become the nominee.

6 months until the convention, history is made everyday.

Hey all you oldster ladies , those youngsters may have Obama but you could be racing your dogsled team.

Money Quote
""I only have one 50th birthday, so I want to do it right,'' the pint-size Oregon innkeeper said as she waited for her turn to depart Fourth Avenue on Saturday on what she plans to be her first and only Iditarod."

http://www.adn.com/iditarod/2008/features/story/332247.html
Politics ain't the only fun out there.

Jack

Newscasters were more charming before they had computers doing all the math for them.

My bad Newscasters = pundits

Karl Rove just about running Fox coverage tonight

Cool post Jack

I live with 2 Sberian Huskys...the puppy ate my remote tonight. That would be a rush.

Thankyou Craig
Someone has to do it, better you than me.
Could you go over and keep an eye on msnbc for me too.
That way I can read more Iditarod stories.

Jack

* Siberian*

geez, Craig, that makes me want to watch Fox all night. NOT!

I live with two ferrets(I think I have mentioned that)...they always hide the remotes...they hide everything.

wow...Huck throwin' in the towel?

OK - here is something we can all discuss.

Bush to endorse McCain and then campaign for him...

The endorsement I think helps McCain

Does Bush campaigning for McCain help....or hurt?

Discuss!

Ferrets, do they carry the remote with their hands or their mouths? I though a ferret was almost remote size.

I guess they are a bit larger. Do they do it to mess with you, like a game? Or are they stocking up?

Brattleboro VT indicts Bush Cheney: http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/03/04/ap4730524.html

National Journal's "The Hotline" has a blow-by-blow of tonight's events:

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/

if I were John McCain...I would run away from Bush!!

Patsi,

I would love to know some of the inside story on the tanker deal. It looks like they spread out the promise of new job in the appropriate districts for one thing. It might also be interesting to see how many retired air force colonels and generals got hired.

Jack

They will use Bush where it helps and hide him everywhere else. They know his negatives. It will help with money, and it will help with some support of McCain.

Most people know how to look at the current landscape, and to the future.....Bush and Cheney will BOTH be out of the picture. That is good for everyone! :)

Jack -- A 50 year old is "oldster?" Honey, that's cougar range, not porch rockin'.

IMHO, John McCain should run away from Bush

damn..another double post ..sorry

speaking of pets, here's a screen-cleaner for you

http://cache.valleywag.com/assets/resources/screenclean.swf

"if I were John McCain...I would run away from Bush!!"

Run ? Hell If I were McCain I'd be tempted to hire a hit man.
Most Republicans I know don't like the man, they are just marking time to the end of his term.
Its sad to say something like that about our president but damn.............

Jack

Unbelievable, Clinton is already complaining about voter intimidation in TX. Maybe she should be complaining to her staff about how they can do thier job better.

OK - here is something we can all discuss.

Bush to endorse McCain and then campaign for him...

The endorsement I think helps McCain

Does Bush campaigning for McCain help....or hurt?

Discuss!

cute screen cleaner

Colleen..that's funny!!!

Colleen -- National Journal? On a CJ blog? Boo hiss.

"Discuss!"
--Wendy FIGHT ON!

say please...

LMAO!!

Divalicias

Once your past 50 nobody counts your years any more, your just listed as old.
grin duck and run

Jack

Life begins at 50!!

Bush endorsing McCain is a Democratic wet dream.

Diva,

" Honey, that's cougar range, not porch rockin'. "

These guys just can't quite get it through their heads that the candlestick lasts longer than the candle. :)

Obama sues to keep polls open in Ohio -- only in "his" strong areas.

HELP! With less than 1% of the vote in, the Democratic primary vote is showing nearly 1,000,000 votes between the two candidates. I'm no mathematician but that don't add up...can somebody explain?

old: having been in existence since the distant past

just another resource, Diva, check or reject, matters not

CNN says McCain has the Rep nom all wrapped up...

if you cant remember your distant past does that make you younger?

yeah...MSNBC is calling JSMc the "presumptive nominee"

To clarify my post...in Texas they are showing nearly 1,000,000 votes between the two Democrats and 1% of the vote in. How does this make sense?

What I want is a picture of McCain and Bush hugging and waving to the crowd.
If I had the money I would put it up on every billboard in every swing state. I wouldn't have to say a word the picture would do everything.

You know that is what the Republicans are going to do with the "Ted Kennedy whispering in Obamas ear" that Craig posted yesterday.

Jack

Ah, Hillary complaining about caucus intimidation. How predictable. And Brokaw just said Obama has 50 superdelegates about to commit to Obama. Watch them roll them out ten at a time for a week.

Go Obama Go!!

Jamie -- "Candlestick lasts longer than the candle." Yes! Touche!

Jack --This means that boys get "old" at 40.

Which I suppose is why cougars like 'em a lot younger than 40.

8-)

Ally ,
That's 1% of the precincts..Don't quote me ;)

" Clinton is already complaining about voter intimidation in TX. "

Primary or Caucus?

If caucus it's very believable having seen some of the Obama folks in action. It's fair under those circumstances up to a certain pushy, pushy, "peter P. Pushy" point, but if someone is shy, it can be difficult.

re: 50 SD

Why not roll them all out now? Seems really questionable, to hold them back, as if they do not exist. He or they who say it, should mean it, and prove it...like a real man! (fos)

Either they are there supporting BHO or it is a lie!
Typical political BS - so much for a new political - same as it ever was.

The multiple posts was a browser/blog issue...not me

:-(

sorry.

Russert and Matthews are playing dirges for Clinton.

" Clinton is already complaining about voter intimidation in TX. "

Just workin' the refs all part of normal business.
Both sides do it.

Jack

Russert on MSNBC on who can better handle McCain if they go "mano - mano oops what's Spanish for woman? ah, ah, Mano - Womano" .

Love it!! That makes for joy in the Clinton household!

Ah, i hate to see ole huckaboo take his leave -- wow, his wife looks like his brother

Russert on MSNBC on who can better handle McCain if they go "mano - mano oops what's Spanish for woman? ah, ah, Mano - Womano" .

Love it!! That makes for joy in the Clinton household!

My brother married a cougar.

they met: he 24--she 42
married: he 29--she 47
today: he 49--she 67

"and they lived happily ever after" 8)

Huckabee on CNN giving up. Oh, sweet irony at Bush having to endorse McCain...

"Clinton is already complaining about voter intimidation in TX."

Why not Texas, Obama's union male surrogates did it at the Nevada caucuses.

Mrs. Huckabee looks like she is crying... 8(

Begala is talking sense right now on CNN. Citing the Pew poll that 25% of Hillary voters that would vote McCain if she's not the nominee -- this is very true in my area with a bunch of military who like Hillary -- but think Obama is way too green to be trusted. They will ALL vote for McCain.

This doesn't make me happy -- I can only hope that the Bush/McCain photo-op tomorrow will straighten them out. Not that it would really matter since I live in a red county in a reddish-purple state. (Virginia) They can vote for whomever and McCain will take all the precincts here. DEMs best performance has been about 48% in only two precincts in the last presidential cycle.

Rezdog: Still seems strange to me...only 800,000 Democrats voted in the 2004 Democratic Primary in Texas. With 2% of the precincts reporting, 1,000,000 people have voted in the Democratic primary so far?

"Mano-Womano" ???

Russert is such a putz. It's God getting even with him for asking Hillary the name of the forthcoming Russian president.

Just proves that God is a woman!

"wow, his wife looks like his brother"
--Craig

O....M...G!!!!!

MSNBC announced that HRC wins Rhode Island -- KO is choking on the words.

Whogivesafuckabee finally concedes.
Good riddance.
Go away.
Never come back.
Just die.

Wow Lush, good for them. : )

Maybe I should tell my friend to become a cougar, I would but I am married......lol

No se.. I read they expected 3 mil + and I 'm sure some of those W TX counties have few dems in some small precincts. Don't know the answer, but i'm sure the % means precincts.

now i feel bad, she doesn't look like his brother, just his twin. put that necklace on him and he could be a running mate with major crossover appeal

No se.. I read they expected 3 mil + and I 'm sure some of those W TX counties have few dems in some small precincts. Don't know the answer, but i'm sure the % means precincts.

damn, Divalicias...I switched to CNN coz you said Begala was on...and I missed the KO choke!!

Lush: What is the age difference required for the term "cougar"? 10 years? 15?

Rezdog: Well those precincts that are in must be the big big big ones for the math to figure...even if the estimated turnout is 3,000,000!

Now that the GOP nomination is settled, let's just sit back, relax...and watch Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews struggle vainly to stop the Democrat's Super Bowl while there's still seven minutes to go in the 4th Quater.

"Eli, Eli...you're team has LOST. Don't try to escape that sack! Don't throw that pass! The only way he could catch it is if he were to...say, trap it against his helmet! This game's over."

Whiny babies. They'll get theirs.

Ally, Call texas SOS ..

You know how those aggies are! lol

so long mike -- concession speeches should be shorter, tho

I double checked on the Texas Secretary of state and the total is 839,231

Gallup: "A strong night for Clinton last night allowed her to erase the lead Obama had held the previous six days."

http://www.gallup.com/poll/104770/Gallup-Daily-Obama-45-Clinton-45.aspx

Wonder if those 50 superDs will have second thoughts after Clinton wins OH, TX and RI and polls show Obama's national lead evaporating...

:-D

Fineman is an @ss

Ally

I don't really know the age difference, but I think the woman has to be 35+. I consider myself a "cougette", as my husband is 18 MONTHS younger than I am...LOL!!
--LushIsLinda

LOL "Johnny B Goode" is McCain's theme song now...?

Well, Mr. Obama, looks like the trajectory (to use your high-brow word) of this race is a chang'in. Thank you God, for this relief! I would have LOVED to see KO choking on those words.

Let's hope the Obama express comes to a screeching halt.

Is everyone getting lots of error messages?

Jamie: Yes, something funny going on.

heavy traffic on site creating technical glitches. hang in there, should smooth out shortly. meanwhile, we've got tornado warnings in DC, gettin windy out there

Well, Mr. Obama, looks like the trajectory (to use your high-brow word) of this race is a chang'in. Thank you God, for this relief! I would have LOVED to see KO choking on those words.

heavy traffic weighin us down tonight, sorry about the glitches

"heavy traffic on site creating technical glitches."

Hey, Craig! You still got the Trail Mix Server in your back bedroom???

So there are a lot of lurkers out there...

[she looks around the room]

This is my very first time to post on any blog. definitely positively, a HILLARY supporter.. 73 yrs young and here to say that if Obama wins the nomination, will sit out the very first time ever since starting to vote.. Will not-not-not vote for Obama..
Enjoy this site so much. Thanks for no foul language and the Kool aid drinking Obamanuts are at least not so many that you can't just slip by them.
Just one question- what does yo soy horsedooty mean? good laugh
Young 73

Craig has clogged the servers! He deserves a raise!

Dateline Dallas: The caucus

I'm no longer a virgin. I have caucused! The last time there were 14 people there, they said. This time there were 300 or so. It was packed.

The line was out the door and around the corner for the Dems to vote and about, oh, 5 folks in the Repub line. And this is a Repub strong hold.

It was noted by several people that there were more African Americans there than they knew lived in this precinct. Interesting.

tt

Power went out for a bit -- now it's back on -- but we're in the basement. So what did I miss?

Congrats tt : )

Looks like Hills is closing the leads in TX.

Shit fire and save matches.

*quarter for the swear jar*

Young73 - let me be the first to WELCOME YOU!

Glad to know you're out there!

Clinton wins OHIO

Young73 --not a blog virgin any more! Welcome!

So let me just go on record and say that I was wrong.

Yes...I was wrong.

This morning I predicted Hillary would win RI by about 5%

I was wrong

Looks like she KICKED HIS BUTT in RI

My prediction of 12% - 16% is so far holding in OH

[keeping fingers crossed]

:-D

I join Wendy in welcoming Young73!

HRC wins Rhode Island

SNAP!!!!

Ohhhhhhhhh and quite possibly Ohio???

DOUBLE SNAP!!!!

btw...SNAP = BHO 12 state win streak being broken!!

CNN called Ohio for Hillary!!!

Nuthin you can say can take me away from My Girl!

Goooo Hillary!

Who is the Congressman in RI? Oh yeah! Patrick Kennedy!

WOOHOO!!!!!!!

and then takes the lead in TX...

Go Ohio!!! Nice win Hillary!!!!!

Patsi

I found some of those retired military bigshots, from the Northrup Grumman web site click on the name and get the resumes. Looks like a military retirement home

http://www.northropgrumman.com/cle/index.html#omaha

Jack

Yes....She won!! I hope she starts her speech in the middle of Obamas like he did to her........

Yes....She won!! I hope she starts her speech in the middle of Obamas like he did to her........

She won something! Oh my God! It's been so long!

And watch, at the end of the night, Barack will have expanded his delegate lead.

You Clintonites are so deluded. She ain't gonna win. But we'll keep going on with this charade.

Obama 08!

Oh Lord...Tim Russert can barely speak!!

OHIO IS HILLARY Country!

Russert on MSNBC on who can better handle McCain if they go "mano - mano oops what's Spanish for woman? ah, ah, Mano - Womano" .

Love it!! That makes for joy in the Clinton household!

Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | March 4, 2008 9:17 PM

In my part of the barrio "mano" means "hand" so it is mano a mano = hand to hand.

man and woman = hombre y mujer

I agree that Russert is a putz.

yo soy Horsedooty!

I wonder if BHO will even give a speech?

You know what this is like? Obama has been scoring touchdowns over and over. And Hillary just hit a field goal. Well played to Hillary. Still can't ever catch Obama.

Hillary is the new comeback kid

relax, alpha1906

tech folks tell me our server is handling the traffic now, but could get wiggly again, so be careful out there

You mean Patrick "crash my car into a Capitol barricade and then go straight to rehab" Kennedy?

;-)

Oh Lord...spit it out, Andrea

CNN reports Obama called McCain and said he looked forward to running against him. A bit presumptious?

Still can't win. I kinda feel for her. The ring is out there, but just out of reach. She needed to win overwhelmingly and she didn't. That's my great relief.

BTW, Obama will win Wyoming and Mississippi and win even more delegates before Pennsylvania.

For all of you Clintonites, how do you even image her winning? It doesn't work mathematically.

Clinton now in the lead in Texas

Labber,

Despite the spin and celebration, this race is effectively over. That's why Obama can look to McCain.

The race is a long way form over, Alpha

Looking at the CNN ohio county by county map
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/county/#OHDEMMAPprimary

Obama is not breaking 30% in the rural counties.

In Missouri, on feb 5, he broke 30% all over and often up to 40%.
He did this even in the conservative racist south part of the state.
It looks like his base is narrowing.
Not a good sign if he is to become the candidate.

Jack

The race is a long way from over, Alpha. Hillary has just gotten started.

Labber, we give Hillary all of the next 16 races at a 55% to 45% clip and she's STILL going to lose in terms of delegates. This race is over. The problem is that they've given their supporters the idea that they can somehow do it. But they can't.

And by the way, the Democratic leadership will NOT allow Clinton to bash Obama for seven weeks, doing the Republican hit job. Ain't gonna happen. The superdelegates will revolt before that happens.

I'm watching the Clinton celebration and it's actually sad. All of these supporters, who've given their hearts to this campaign, are being tricked into thinking they have a chance.

The big question over the next week: Is Hillary for the Democratic Party or for herself. That will be the pressure we'll see on her campaign.

Alpha, ditto

alpha...relax....

Why can't you just allow the Hillary supporters to enjoy her victory?

Alpha...stop whining...you add nothing to the discussion.

There are folks from TX at the Second Life party who went to caucus and said the Hillary support was just as strong as the Obama support.

That could be a squeaker too.

She wins it Obamamites by pointing out that if the state is BIG and BLUE she won it. If it is tiny red and Republican, he won it. If you want to win the general you go with the lady.

Wendy -- well done, you have championed Hillary against all odds.

Is she the "comeback" kid(woman) as well?

And she wins with votes from Democrats! And women!

You've gotta be kidding me. When Obama was winning eleven straight, all of the Clintonites were calling him everything but the son of the devil.

I haven't said anything negative, but the truth. As a Democrat, I'm not surprised that a Clinton would have the interest of themselves over the party, but it is a bit sad.

But let her have the confetti. Tomorrow, the party's over.

Would you gentlemen like some cheese with that whine.

The lady don't need any hand holding...she has it handled.

We all know that this is a minor victory for HRC.

We all know that BHO will eventually be elected president.

We all know that BHO will change the world and possibly the entire universe.

and tonight

We all know that HRC has won RI and OH.

So, alpha1906, please allow us to enjoy HRC's teeny victory...OK? Stop being such a sore loser...it is very unbecoming.

Thanks!! 8)

Ah, but it's about winning delegates and not states. And if you want to win an election, you first have to win the nomination. No back room deals will allow Hillary to win.

I'll bet everyone a bag of M&Ms that superdelegates begin leaking from her campaign as early as tomorrow.

She makes a gracious point to Obama in the thank yous. Nice touch.

Nothing sore about it, just stating facts. BTW, when Clinton was losing, she suddenly forgot to thank Obama until days after. Talk about sore losers.

Alpha, That is not fair. On this list, he has been addressed as Senator. He has been praised for his intelligence. I have not seen even a little bit of name calling in his direction other than saying he needed more experience to do the job.

Throughout it all, we have endured constant name calling and bullying from the Obama supporters. The list of which looks like a class action suit for sexual harrassment.

Whether she wins or not, we have a right to celebrate without flak from the bullying losers.

"I guess has Bill has better things to do then join his wife in Ohio. "

Well, since the Obamabots would have somehow spun his appearance into a racist statement, mabye he decided to sit it out.

Below is from someone who lives in Ohio. Something is not right if this is true.

"Ohio Numbers:
11:15 PM
cough (63% susposedly counted- WITHOUT BIG CITIES AND WITHOUT MY DAMN COUNTY AND ALL OF CLEVELAND, THE COUNTY THAT RAN OUT OF BALLOTS).
1,335,997 COUNTED.
OBAMA......563,978....41%
HILL..........772,019....57%

( She did go into this with that kind of lead)

*******************
Texas:
( without Caucus results still)
40% Counted:
Obama.......817,833
Hill.............834,861
Total Counted 1,652,694 ( this suposedly does not COUNT....Houston or Dallas...)

So here is MY DUMB Question so are BIG CITY Votes and Urban Votes BEING CAGED...ALL OF THEM....IS THAT WHAT ALSO HAPPENED IN NY, ( IE HARLEM????)

So where are the results from these counties?

And if Hillary did win than I congratulate the Hillary supporters.

God Bless.

Alpha -- off you go to the naughty bench. That's quite enough out of you this evening.

You've got to be kidding, Jamie. No, seriously. You've got to be kidding. Should I go back to former posts and put them up for you? No name calling against Obama????

Patsi

I think they are keeping BIll away on purpose...it is a shame, but I am sure he will show-up in the White House.

It definitely is going to convention. Craig was soooooo right about MIchigan and Florida. And so right that fear is a great tool in politics.

"thank Obama until days after."

And he was so rude, he started his speech so that it stopped coverage of hers, something she has never done to him. I'm afraid the arrogance is starting to catch up with him.

well you guys can look forward to arguing this stuff all the way to august, me thinks. and also suspect this means they'll have run together in the general, no matter what order and whether they like it or not

I seem to remember this post by Craig a while back:

If a new Texas poll has it right, Hillary Rodham Clinton's hoped-for comeback on March 4 is in serious jeopardy. A CNN survey finds Clinton at 50 percent and Barack Obama at 48 percent for the Texas Democratic primary, a dead heat well within the poll's margin of error. But roughly 25 percent of voters said they might change their minds. More on CQ Politics PollTracker

Anything that close in Texas would be a disaster for Clinton. If she only narrowly wins the popular vote, Obama’s commanding lead among African-American voters could give him the edge in delegates. That is because state party rules award delegates within each state senate district -- and award more delegates to districts, such as those with large black populations, where voters historically turn out in greater numbers for Democrats.

Clinton is counting on her lead among Hispanic voters for a boost, but in recent years their turnout has been low, depressing the number of delegates allocated to their districts.

Losing the delegate race in Texas would not only overshadow a slim lead in the popular vote for Clinton. It would severely undermine her bid to win unelected “superdelegates” who are likely to be the swing vote in the nomination battle.

AP

All of those votes are being counted. CNN just went over them. The counting is slow because they are so large. Harris County for one is huge.

Texas will be very close because of those huge urban counties and Sen Obama may still win it.

The super delegate will change its color more than a chameleon on an oriental rug over the next few months. I am so befuddled by the media claim that if HRC stays in it is good for JMc and not the dems....oh no, no. It is better for JMc to fight a war on two fronts. If it just BHO or HRC, he can hone his attack. But, if the repugs do not know who will be the nomination...so much the better. I am really tiring of the media stupidity.

Craig -- An old world marriage? Oy veh!

ha, diva, more like a shotgun wedding where they bride and groom are holding the weapons

ohhhhh...I would love to watch the sparks fly, in the White House, with Hillary and Bill and Barack and Michelle!!!!

Sounds like a reality show in the making!!!

And I actually heard chanting at HRC victory speech in Ohio. Oh dear. BHO in Texas not getting the same response as HRC in Ohio.

Obama says he called John McCain to congratulate him -- did he forget to call HRC to congratulate her? He wans us to think he's running against McCain now.

Hmmm... not so inspiring tonight.
Factories in OH, plains of TX -- where he lost.

jaime, well said. But I would say that his audacity (not arrogance) is catching up with him.

BW: That 's because the speech is actually a long, slow scowl. It's a downer.

ohhhhhhhh...you know MLRO is gonna be spankin' that BHO a$$ tonight!!

He is probably afraid to go back to the hotel or plane!!

Hillary made a very good speech. I look forward to her coming to Oregon for our May primary.

ROFL, Jamie!

Bitter, table for one?

It will be one of the highest rated reality shows in a long time based on the turnout for the primaries. In watching the repug numbers vs. the dem numbers...it is amazing.

I am so happy...I hope for the dream team, too.

OD: Oregon is pretty much in the bag for Obama, yes? What part of the state are you in?

Congrats Hillary... fight this thing to the convention... And you go Patsi and Jamie...

I should have directed my bitter comment to two extremely aggressive Obama supporters here... bitter table for 2...

off to work

Not sure that "world is watching" line is going to be effective in the general -- isn't that the sort of thing Kerry got knocked for? Suggesting that we should be voting a certain way to please the rest of the world.

ROFL, Jamie!

There he goes bringing up his mother...Its amazing NOW HE MENTIONED HIS MOTHER IS WHITE. Never heard him mention his mothers race till tonight....He keep that low key....There is his Trump Card..

BHO outspent HRC in both of the big states...and like Romney...maybe $$$ (Moolah, maybe) doesn't equal delegates. Perhaps, HRC did show some Moolah.

Craig -- CNN reporting lots of hostilities between the staffers of BHO and HRC -- fights breaking out on conference calls to reporters. Oh dear -- fear you're right -- the Hatfields and McCoys.

Dang -- It's sounding scary here in Stafford. Going to the safe room now.

She was so slimy. One commercial with a ringing telephone and sleeping babies plus one smart ass remark about his 2002 "speech" ... Not exactly slash and burn of her opponent.

Everything else he did to himself, was done by his campaign staff, or was done by Right Wing Republicans beginning at the time of his first run for the Senate.

RE: Caucus Irregularities

1) Irregularities: Prematurely Taking Precinct Convention Packets by Obama Campaign

Numerous calls have shown that Obama supporters prematurely removed convention packets from polling places. Packets may not legally given out until 7:15 PM or when the last voter has cast a ballot in the primary. The Texas State Party warned the Obama campaign in writing that they may not take these packets early or remove them from the polling locations.

2) Voter Intimidation: Lock-out of Clinton caucus goers by Obama Campaign

Numerous calls have been received that the Obama campaign has taken over caucus sites and locked the doors, excluding Clinton campaign supporters from participating in the caucus. The Clinton supporters have been unable to enter the premises to caucus. In at least one instance, law enforcement was called and forcibly opened the caucus site.

3. There are numerous instances of Obama supporters filing out precinct convention sign-in sheets during the day and submitting them as completed vote totals at caucus. This is expressly against the rules. The sign-in sheets were copied by the Obama campaign from the Texas Democratic Party website and taken by supporters to various polling places to sign-up caucus goers prior to the start of the caucuses

http://taylormarsh.com/

I guess there will be no thrills, in Chris' legs, tonight!!

BW is saying BHO was talking about Tina Fey/SNL, on his plane today.

The computation of delegate apportionment.

If you understand that phrase, then you might understand how Democratic candidates end up with delegates.

I certainly don't understand the process. A process that diverges from the one person, one vote type of counting that we've been used to ever since we were kids.

I think that each state organization can make their own rules that are based on historical data. That's fine so long as the data is still relevant--something that I question in many of the states in which caucuses have been a major part of the electoral process.

We've ended up with a bunch of rules; the Law of Rules.

Which may not be even close to what we learned as youngsters when we were taught how one person, one vote enabled our Rule of Law, not the Law of Rules that has appeared so starkly this primary season.

my goodness...it is like a tornado here!!..yikes!!

The computation of delegate apportionment.

If you understand that phrase, then you might understand how Democratic candidates end up with delegates.

I certainly don't understand the process. A process that diverges from the one person, one vote type of counting that we've been used to ever since we were kids.

I think that each state organization can make their own rules that are based on historical data. That's fine so long as the data is still relevant--something that I question in many of the states in which caucuses have been a major part of the electoral process.

We've ended up with a bunch of rules; the Law of Rules.

Which may not be even close to what we learned as youngsters when we were taught how one person, one vote enabled our Rule of Law, not the Law of Rules that has appeared so starkly this primary season.

Dog, with regards to your 11PM post, Hillary didn't surprise me, she met what my expectation for the vote there.

With regards to Ohio, the one telling statistic is that 8 of every 10 voters who said race of the candidates was an issue voted for Clinton. So all of you complaining that the black vote is nothing but lemmings can now keep quiet.

To everyone gloating, congratulations on giving the presidency to McCain. All HRC has done is proven that she is incompetent when it comes to hiring a staff since it took her a few reshufflings before they got their shit together. She has demonstrated that she can't manage money or a large organization well since it took her over $100 million and countless months to actually find something that worked. If she was really a good fighter, she would have done this in January and iced things before super tuesday. I wonder when the announcement that Dick Morris is on her staff will come out?

Lastly, where are all the indignant Clinton supporters when Paul Begala says that Obama won't get all of Hillary's votes? The utter hypocrisy of people on this site is alarmingly funny. I am just glad that my doctor tells me that I have a low likelihood of seeing a McCain presidency.

I bid you all peace. Remember the shit you all fling in the air eventually does come down and it leaves a nice stench.

After monitoring the discord in this room and countless others in the blogosphere, logic has been replaced by dogmatic idealism that would make the Soviets proud.

"Lastly, where are all the indignant Clinton supporters when Paul Begala says that Obama won't get all of Hillary's votes? "

Hanging out with all the Obama voters Michelle said wouldn't vote for Clinton.

Bear...

How True.

God Bless.

When this thing is over, we all need to pur aside hurt feelings and unite for a Democratic victory. One way or another, I prefer that both of these candidates end up on the ticket.

The last Oregon poll I saw had Hillary ahead by 8 points. Competitive state. President Clinton won here twice. Should be interesting..

So why no similar reaction to those comments then Jamie? Where is the purity of the argument if you won't hold yourself accountable to the same standards as others?

The Democrats have lost the election. Which considering you have a 30% president who lead us into a bad war and an even worse economy, the Democratic party is proving to make the Washington Generals look like the Celtics of the 60's. I swear to god that if you polled the average non minority democrat, some would tell you that anal sex produces black babies.

Young73, it's one thing to be a poster here for a while to act like a bratty child. I can tolerate it from people that I know and respect. Your act set the record for shortest period of time to wear out a welcome.

"OD it's not the Obama supporters on this blog who keep threatening to pull up their jacks and run away. That's the type of churlish bullshit we keep hearing from your side of the fence. "

Bull. Those kids out there chanting for His Holiness are the ones who are making threats.

One thing that should help Hillary in Oregon is that we have a closed primary. Only Democrats vote in the Democratic primary.

Congrats to the Hillary supporters. Looks like either way - you will live to fight another day.

She sounded good tonight.

Bear

Feel free to hunt through the same three days and find even one post from me that is the equivalent of anything on that list.

I think some of you need to go to bed and get some rest. Craig is an interesting, fun person. I think this blog should be also.

Warren..that was a very gracious comment.

AND my last point for the night, I promise! It is soooo interesting how the repugs in the media spend more time on the dem contest than the repugs. They get more excited taking about the dems than their own feeble party. I hope GWB stands with JMc tomorrow and actually hugs hims. It will be like the kiss of death from the Godfather.

It is is a damn good year for the dems.

I'm a gracious jackass!

Mrs MObama may need to be de-programmed, but even that can happen. Keep the faith.

BW, isn't that an anti feminist comment? How can you deign to say A WOMAN is brainwashed into what to think or believe???

HRC proved this past week she cares more about herself than her party? When has a Democratic candidate worked in concert with the presumptive Republican nominee to use identical campaign themes at the same time?

At this point, The New Deal Great Society couldn't repair or reunite this party...

One of the last things I do will be to go to Vegas to place a bet on McCain getting 300+ electoral votes. I will have you all to thank for it...what doesn't cover the "exit strategy" will go towards Habitat for Humanity and the swear jar.

Yes, it was.

And Bear -- let me say this. I've had it with the race crap. Deep in my DNA, starting with my earliest female ancestor in Ethiopia, I know who has had it worse in this world. Women. Maybe not in the US, but in the history of humankind, you men -- black, white and indifferent -- have kicked ur asses every damn time you could. Just look at countries where race is not an issue. Women are treated like junkyard dogs, raped, stoned and killed. So stop telling us we have to lay down and take it.

I did think Hillary's speech was a little short on substance. It sounded like a pep rally - but she deserved her night in the spotlight - with confetti and all.

Obama articulated exactly why I support him. He has still got the better case - and I think that will win out in the end.

Bear,

You cannot hold me responsible for ignorant yahoos who believe or at least say they believe totally obscene things.

I support Senator Clinton for only one reason. I sincerely believe that she would be the best President for the nation at this time.

If this insults you in any way, my apologies.

Good Night

Well said, Patsi. And you should add genital mutilation and exclusion from education and the courts to the list.

Someone's got be responsible for the ignorant yahoos. I blame Taylor Marsh.

"When has a Democratic candidate worked in concert with the presumptive Republican nominee to use identical campaign themes at the same time?"

Maybe he took a look at what Sen Clinton was saying and said, "Me Too!" It seems to be a pattern among men lately.

aWWW..Bear...you are making me break a promise, but I am a human. I do not know if I am a feminist, but my parents worked so hard to tell me I am equal to all humans on the planet. I only mention Mrs. MObama's de-prgramming in terms of a dem as she was the one who said she would have to think long and hard if HRC was the candidate in November whether or not to vote for her. I am sure she can get over herself. Now I must get some sleep. Good night all...pleasant dreams, no night terrors about about the dem contest.

Okay Texas for Clinton declared by NBC

Bear:

"HRC proved this past week she cares more about herself than her party? When has a Democratic candidate worked in concert with the presumptive Republican nominee to use identical campaign themes at the same time?"

The good thing is that tonight Obama showed how he will deal with this. He can lump the two together and make his case against both. This argument is valid since they share a similar Centrist position and are both closely tied to a government that people want to change - and if he wins - we will know he can win the general.

Jamie,

That is not insulting in the least. That is a perfectly acceptable statement.

I am offended when that statement, for or against the candidate of choice, is couched in extemporaneous garbage with the sole purpose to belittle the supporters of other candidates.

While I recognize that it's difficult to make a dispassionate argument about a person or subject that we have great passion for, it becomes difficult to take.

I tend to focus on the horizon a lot more than others who frequent this page. I am reminded about the story about the ship captain who sees a flashing light on a moonless night. He signals back to tell what he thinks is another ship to change course, he is a large ship and has the right of way. As he gets closer, he gets more frantic in his warnings, only to be told by the source of the beacon that it was a light house and he was about to run aground... the Democratic party is that ship and they are proving incapable of changing course. If there is a bright spot, at least they aren't another Exxon Valdez.

JW's "LOST BOYS" are having a very BAD night!

Here is another report from that person in Ohio.

This person says something is wrong with the Ohio vote.
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12:42 Am
Raw Numbers...Ohio
1,841,620 Counted..
Obama ....804,080.....43%
Hill......1,037,540......55%
( againg Folks I have no idea WHERE the Cuyahoga Results are....)

MSNBC is projecting Hill to win Texas- even though Houstin and Dallas are not counted and the Caucus results are not in....she is ahead by 2.5 % and only 70% counted..

God Bless.

In case you are wondering what the TX caucus was like...here is a report from Azle..

http://startelegram.typepad.com/politex/2008/03/it-was-total-ch.html

My question is, why would you be having any type of public election or caucus at a local church?

This person says that there are 1 million registered voters in Cuyahoga county and they don't know if these votes have been counted and included in the results.

God Bless.

http://www.star-telegram.com/466/story/511283.html

Ah Patsi, you've "had it with this race crap", but don't seem to have a problem calling anyone who disagrees with you sexist? Yeah, typical case of MY issue is important and YOUR issue is irrelevant.

BTW, I'm looking forward to Craig's commentary on Clinton's chance, particularly since he predicted a close Clinton win in Texas being a disaster for her. :-)

Can I get an AMEN?

I told U guys yesterday....I felt it , everything showed it.
She is finally at peace with herself and people or taking notice. Furthermore, people are also seeing how the big O is starting to crumble......

Go Hillary......

Now, she has won all the big states...and people were asking her to quit?

Can I get an AMEN agian?

Hillary, this black educated man again salutes U

Let us move on to the next hurdle, we can do it.....

This is my first time on this Blog, and I have to say it is less offensive than others regarding Clinton. Normally the Blogs are actionable when it comes to comments on Clinton.
My husband is a lawyer who traveled to Dallas for Clinton.
He confirmed that Obama supporters were telling Clinton supporters that the caucus was cancelled or moved and they should go home, or that they did not need to vote at all.
AGAIN, he is there to legally step in and prevent voter pressure or fraud. Election judges were called in to stop the fraud Obama was committing. Preventing a person from casting a vote is a crime, and complaints were filed.
In addition, the whole system itself is so messed up, totally confusing, and disorganized. Ed was going from precinct to precinct in Dallas and Ft. Worth, looking at one complaint after another. Even in cases where Obama supporters were not preventing people from voting, it was a mess.
He said that the fraud had pretty much been handled by Election Judges, so they focused on just cleaning up mistakes. In Dallas two precinct voting rolls were somehow combined into one. The judge ruled that they had to be properly divided, disentangled, and recounted, but first every signature had to be verified. That took about an hour, but they finally did it and CLINTON won BOTH caucuses, in Dallas. I stopped calling him a while ago so he could work, but at the time they had just declared Ohio for her, and he told me the inside POPULATION count, or as it is known as the VOTE was going to be for her.
Now the caucus number may be different, and I am sure there will be some challenges. I have to wonder if the results will be correct, because the only voter interference they could stop was where they could catch it or where it was reported.
So the person or people who wrote that Clinton was complaining about voter fraud and interference did not know the facts. The facts are that Obama's campaign did do this, and there will be complaints filed, so stay tuned.
In the meantime, not to throw gas on a fire, Florida is going to become important. Obama ran 30 straight days of campaign ads in Florida and STILL lost. The DNC said at the time that he violated the rules, which of course they did nothing about. he claimed that the ads were national ad buys, and he didn't know that he couldn't run them in Florida. What? this guy doesn't know his Chief Economic Advisor is meeting with Canada, and he did not know that running 30 days of saturation campaign ads in a state where no campaigning is supposed to take place is not OK?
What does he know?
I am writing to Howard Dean and reminding him of this, and requesting that Obama be sanctioned and the Florida vote be counted. he campaigned, she didn't and he lost and she didn't. Sounds fair to me.
We have the Rezko trial coming up and even if Obama did no criminal wrong, it is certainly bad judgment to have such a close connection, and to take $167k from those who are now under indictment for criminal money laundering thru campaigns. The Chicago Sun Times has been writing about Rezko for years, it is not possible that Obama could not have known, again, he didn't know, about Rezko, or the fact that the realtor who sold him the house and Mrs. Rezko the land was supposed to get a Board appointment courtesy of Rezko, and is now part of the indictment.
Shouldn't someone be telling Obama all this so he knows?
I seems that no matter how much money he spends he is limited to a core of GOP's, Blacks and very liberal white voters with household incomes of over 200K a year.
It remains to be seen if that will get him the nomination.

I don't think anyone has to worry about any uncounted votes - as Pro-Obama as CNN & MSNBC have been they would first burn themselves at the stake before calling anything incorrectly for Hillary. They probably waited an extra hour just to be sure their man didn't win. Both CNN and MSNBC are lost for words. This was completely unexpected. Our girl Hillary did this after being outspent 4 or 5 to 1 by Obama and continuously bashed in the media. The one thing I learned in the 80's and have counted on with BO's millions rolling in daily - there is a threshold of money that each candidate MUST meet in a competitive race. Beyond that, money does not matter. We have seen that tonight! Obama's argument about the most delegates sounds pretty hollow when he is putting his small republican/caucus states up against the big democratic and swing states Hillary has won. I don't believe Bill Richardson, Nancy Polosi, John Kerry, or any of the Super Delegates will be saying very much tomorrow about giving this nomination to someone who has not demonstrated an ability to win even one big state and insisting on the candidate who has shown that ability over and over to step down because she does not have the most delegates on March 5th. Wednesday is a new day - the playing field has been leveled thanks to Ohio, TX, and RI. We won't forget you for this one!

Suzie,

We all know these things, but mainstream media is refusing to hear us.

Any which way
What can be done about the caucusses? It is too sad that these Obamanites will stoop this low.

Refusing to hear you Jason? You realize that she marginalized you with her closing comment? Suzie in Atlanta just said that her candidate could win the Democratic nomination without the black vote. I wonder if as a voting bloc, they will recognize that the Democratic Party has taken them for granted and they will choose to mount a third party challenge of some type.

With regards to caucuses, the states that still use them feel they are a true form of democracy and they like them for whatever reason. Just because Senator Clinton's campaign is too lazy to organize to do well in them doesn't mean they should be deleted altogether.

FranSC, if money doesn't matter, why is it important that Hillary was outspent? It's these kinds of contradictions that the Democrats are clinging to that will cause them to lose in November.

Patsi, as my final post on this blog, I will respond to your 12:34 post.

It's just as easy to say I have had it with the feminist woe is me crap, but I will refrain. I understand the history behind your comments...you are certainly entitled to them. A couple of weeks ago, I was watching Eyes on the Prize and they were featuring the march in Selma Alabama. After the group of black men and women crossed the Pettus bridge, they were beaten and gassed by the Alabama State Police. There were white women there to cheer the police on. They didn't seem to care if they were being kept down, they wanted a change to see some niggers get beat up.

I am a proud person. I refused scholarships in college if they were race based. I was the best student, not just the best black student. As a side business in college, I did class papers and projects for people in the College of Business. I got them A's without ever setting foot in their classes. I was able to do this because what I didn't know, I could figure out pretty quickly...

What you all aren't recognizing is that you were duped into marginalizing yourself and your candidate of choice by more skillful Republican party. John McCain was able to get Hillary Clinton to do something in two months that the RNC couldn't have done in 2 years. He got her to destroy her candidacy and that of Obama's, while keeping his prints off the murder weapon. If you take a step back and observe what has been happening, it has become plainly obvious.

What makes it worse is that we as an electorate allowed the MSM to dictate to us who are best choices to get this far should be. As Craig presciently noted in January, Edwards needed to stick around to be the safe white guy option...

Tonight, we have seen people on this blog marginalize the black vote. We have heard Begala declare that at least 25% of Clinton voters would vote for McCain instead of Obama in the general. You have heard similar thoughts from Obama supporters. What the RNC had gotten Clinton to do is to create 1992 all over again. Bill Clinton would not have won the White House if Perot wasn't in the race to split the Republican vote. Absent a third party candidate, the Democrats have basically split themselves and I think it will be a lasting split that the more savvy Republican leadership will exploit.

Anyway, while it's apparent your contempt and ill will for me, I don't share those feelings in return.

To all you long term C-Listers, best of luck and more importantly, best of health. My future is cloudy at best and I have decided to enjoy it while I still can. To those of you who have my email, drop me a line, otherwise, may peace be with you.

Bear, No one CAN marginalize me. If the majority of my fellow black country men and women, want to vote for the African American candidate, then it is their right.
I am a black man, educated, and not falling for the hype. It is indeed very wonderful that we have such a viable, energetic and powerful black candidate. But in comparisson to HRC, he is (in my opinion) not there yet!

I never let marginalizations, or high talk drive me in a corner. I always stand for what I belive in, even if it costs me INITIALLY...

My dad told me once: "Only when your back is bent people will climb on it. Sostand up straight so people won´t climb on it."

Hill all the way to the convention.

Jeez Patsi - have you chased another Obama supporter out of here. I hope Bear meant his "last post" of the night - we need all the firepower in here we can get to beat back you Clintonites over the next 7 weeks.

Or perhaps we should let the candidates fight and start the unity process on our own and quit this talk of supporting McCain and WWIII.

Or maybe a little of both...fighting can be pretty fun.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/poll-watch-thread.html#comment-46586

Yep. Good numbers, alright.

Buenas noches. Si se puede!

2 real bad moments...Ken Blackwell, the despicable former 2004 Sec' of State who orchestrated the disenfranchisement of many voters in Kerry precincts , was on with Matthews, grinning like a Chesire cat. I have a dislike for that Blackwell bastard.

When I heard Sandusky County ran out of ballots I cringed, "here we go again...", but at least they extended polling times by 90 minutes to try to accommodate the ballotless voters.

My buddy in CT is emailing accusations of how fishy the Ohio results are, but I see no discrepancies at all...Hilllary turned huge groups around, including white men...she got 6 0f 10 white men's votes, a marked turn around from Obama's dominance in that grouping.

A month ago I posted that the Clintons will find a way to extend the nomination selection to the Super Delegates,. and both John King and Chuck Todd illustrated all night long how Obama will not make it to delegate victory after Puerto Rico in June. (PR has about 52 delegates, BTW).
This will go to Super Delegates for sure, now.
My contention is that Hillary and Bill will sway the vote and claim the nod.

Bear
Good heath to you and hope you find that broasted chicken too. I'll think of you whenever I see a plunger!

WWJD?

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/

Dex
you must have missed Gak's earlier post on WWJD

She has bumper sticker that say

"Jesus would slap the shit out of you"

I don't think Hucksterbee will go away --he will be like the bigot Buchanan and soon be a commentator on msgop.

Bear -- my post was not a personal attack on you. It was directed to your again charging racism in this thing. I am sure it plays on many levels in the campaign. But so does gender, and in a big way.