Join us in Comments for tonight’s showdown between Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama in Ohio and Texas. And, oh yeah, there is Rhode Island and Vermont (where voters in Brattleboro are also voting on whether to order their local police to arrest George W. Bush and Dick Cheney).
On the Republican side, John McCain might get enough delegates tonight to reach his party’s magic number for the nomination, putting even more pressure on rival Mike Huckabee to give up now or forgo any chance for running mate.
Net Results
- Highlights from Ohio Democratic Exit Poll
- Ohio Polls Have Closed, And ...
- Obama, McCain Win Vermont (And We're Shocked, Shocked ... )
Craig on "Imus in the Morning" Wed (3/5)
RFD-TV/WABC-AM 6:30 AM EST
Comments
Am I first??
Go Hillary...
Posted by: Blonde wino
| March 4, 2008 8:05 PM
The site is slow tonight.
Must be all those lurkers waiting for my pearls of wisdom.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | March 4, 2008 8:12 PM
re-posted from the last thread:
Hillary's Math Problem
By Jonathan Alter
Newsweek
"Forget tonight. She could win 16 straight and still lose."
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/030408R.shtml
Posted by: colleen hussein rodham | March 4, 2008 8:12 PM
"Must be all those lurkers waiting for my pearls of wisdom."
You got that right Jack.....PS thanks again for the Boeing links.
Posted by: Patsi | March 4, 2008 8:16 PM
They ran out of ballots somewhere in Ohio.... what were they thinking...
"oh this could be enough, yeah, no problem if we run out, most people don't show, go ahead and order 10% fewer then the number of voters, we'll save 24.00, you know they are paper this year - yeah good idea"
first graders could do a better job
Posted by: march4 | March 4, 2008 8:18 PM
repost from the previous thread
Blonde wino,
did you guys get any snow yesterday? We woke up in Alpine, Tx up on one of the mountains there and we had 45 mph wind and 20F temps and snow. Almost all morning. Then I had to drive 500 miles to go home so I could be here to vote. The 4 days before yesterday were great and looked like the Chamber of Commerce had ordered the weather.
Looks like you got the computer issues worked out.
yo soy Horsedooty!
Posted by: Horsedooty! | March 4, 2008 8:20 PM
Good looking numbers coming in from Texas. Lets keep our fingers crossed!
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC | March 4, 2008 8:29 PM
Ohio Exit Polls: "Hillary won by 11 points among voters who made up their minds in the last three days, 55%-44%."
Posted by: Wendy FIGHT ON! | March 4, 2008 8:29 PM
One reason Hillary should hang on is that at some point between now and the convention, a deal breaker event may hit Obama, which will make him an undesirable choice to become the nominee.
6 months until the convention, history is made everyday.
Posted by: march4 | March 4, 2008 8:31 PM
Hey all you oldster ladies , those youngsters may have Obama but you could be racing your dogsled team.
Money Quote
""I only have one 50th birthday, so I want to do it right,'' the pint-size Oregon innkeeper said as she waited for her turn to depart Fourth Avenue on Saturday on what she plans to be her first and only Iditarod."
http://www.adn.com/iditarod/2008/features/story/332247.html
Politics ain't the only fun out there.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | March 4, 2008 8:33 PM
Newscasters were more charming before they had computers doing all the math for them.
Posted by: march4 | March 4, 2008 8:33 PM
My bad Newscasters = pundits
Posted by: march4 | March 4, 2008 8:34 PM
Karl Rove just about running Fox coverage tonight
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| March 4, 2008 8:34 PM
Cool post Jack
I live with 2 Sberian Huskys...the puppy ate my remote tonight. That would be a rush.
Posted by: march4 | March 4, 2008 8:37 PM
Thankyou Craig
Someone has to do it, better you than me.
Could you go over and keep an eye on msnbc for me too.
That way I can read more Iditarod stories.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | March 4, 2008 8:38 PM
* Siberian*
Posted by: march4 | March 4, 2008 8:38 PM
geez, Craig, that makes me want to watch Fox all night. NOT!
Posted by: colleen hussein rodham | March 4, 2008 8:39 PM
I live with two ferrets(I think I have mentioned that)...they always hide the remotes...they hide everything.
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| March 4, 2008 8:40 PM
wow...Huck throwin' in the towel?
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| March 4, 2008 8:41 PM
OK - here is something we can all discuss.
Bush to endorse McCain and then campaign for him...
The endorsement I think helps McCain
Does Bush campaigning for McCain help....or hurt?
Discuss!
Posted by: Wendy FIGHT ON! | March 4, 2008 8:43 PM
Ferrets, do they carry the remote with their hands or their mouths? I though a ferret was almost remote size.
I guess they are a bit larger. Do they do it to mess with you, like a game? Or are they stocking up?
Posted by: march4 | March 4, 2008 8:43 PM
Brattleboro VT indicts Bush Cheney: http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/03/04/ap4730524.html
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| March 4, 2008 8:44 PM
National Journal's "The Hotline" has a blow-by-blow of tonight's events:
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/
Posted by: colleen hussein rodham | March 4, 2008 8:44 PM
if I were John McCain...I would run away from Bush!!
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| March 4, 2008 8:44 PM
Patsi,
I would love to know some of the inside story on the tanker deal. It looks like they spread out the promise of new job in the appropriate districts for one thing. It might also be interesting to see how many retired air force colonels and generals got hired.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | March 4, 2008 8:44 PM
They will use Bush where it helps and hide him everywhere else. They know his negatives. It will help with money, and it will help with some support of McCain.
Most people know how to look at the current landscape, and to the future.....Bush and Cheney will BOTH be out of the picture. That is good for everyone! :)
Posted by: march4 | March 4, 2008 8:46 PM
Jack -- A 50 year old is "oldster?" Honey, that's cougar range, not porch rockin'.
Posted by: Divalicias | March 4, 2008 8:47 PM
IMHO, John McCain should run away from Bush
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| March 4, 2008 8:47 PM
damn..another double post ..sorry
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| March 4, 2008 8:48 PM
speaking of pets, here's a screen-cleaner for you
http://cache.valleywag.com/assets/resources/screenclean.swf
Posted by: colleen | March 4, 2008 8:50 PM
"if I were John McCain...I would run away from Bush!!"
Run ? Hell If I were McCain I'd be tempted to hire a hit man.
Most Republicans I know don't like the man, they are just marking time to the end of his term.
Its sad to say something like that about our president but damn.............
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | March 4, 2008 8:50 PM
Unbelievable, Clinton is already complaining about voter intimidation in TX. Maybe she should be complaining to her staff about how they can do thier job better.
Posted by: JennBe
| March 4, 2008 8:51 PM
OK - here is something we can all discuss.
Bush to endorse McCain and then campaign for him...
The endorsement I think helps McCain
Does Bush campaigning for McCain help....or hurt?
Discuss!
Posted by: Wendy FIGHT ON! | March 4, 2008 8:52 PM
cute screen cleaner
Posted by: march4 | March 4, 2008 8:53 PM
Colleen..that's funny!!!
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| March 4, 2008 8:54 PM
Colleen -- National Journal? On a CJ blog? Boo hiss.
Posted by: Divalicias | March 4, 2008 8:54 PM
"Discuss!"
--Wendy FIGHT ON!
say please...
LMAO!!
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| March 4, 2008 8:55 PM
Divalicias
Once your past 50 nobody counts your years any more, your just listed as old.
grin duck and run
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | March 4, 2008 8:57 PM
Life begins at 50!!
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| March 4, 2008 9:00 PM
Bush endorsing McCain is a Democratic wet dream.
Posted by: Divalicias | March 4, 2008 9:00 PM
Diva,
" Honey, that's cougar range, not porch rockin'. "
These guys just can't quite get it through their heads that the candlestick lasts longer than the candle. :)
Posted by: jamie | March 4, 2008 9:01 PM
Obama sues to keep polls open in Ohio -- only in "his" strong areas.
Posted by: Divalicias | March 4, 2008 9:02 PM
HELP! With less than 1% of the vote in, the Democratic primary vote is showing nearly 1,000,000 votes between the two candidates. I'm no mathematician but that don't add up...can somebody explain?
Posted by: Ally
| March 4, 2008 9:02 PM
old: having been in existence since the distant past
Posted by: march4 | March 4, 2008 9:02 PM
just another resource, Diva, check or reject, matters not
Posted by: colleen hussein rodham | March 4, 2008 9:03 PM
CNN says McCain has the Rep nom all wrapped up...
Posted by: Julia | March 4, 2008 9:04 PM
if you cant remember your distant past does that make you younger?
Posted by: march4 | March 4, 2008 9:05 PM
yeah...MSNBC is calling JSMc the "presumptive nominee"
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| March 4, 2008 9:06 PM
To clarify my post...in Texas they are showing nearly 1,000,000 votes between the two Democrats and 1% of the vote in. How does this make sense?
Posted by: Ally
| March 4, 2008 9:06 PM
What I want is a picture of McCain and Bush hugging and waving to the crowd.
If I had the money I would put it up on every billboard in every swing state. I wouldn't have to say a word the picture would do everything.
You know that is what the Republicans are going to do with the "Ted Kennedy whispering in Obamas ear" that Craig posted yesterday.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | March 4, 2008 9:06 PM
Ah, Hillary complaining about caucus intimidation. How predictable. And Brokaw just said Obama has 50 superdelegates about to commit to Obama. Watch them roll them out ten at a time for a week.
Go Obama Go!!
Posted by: alpha1906
| March 4, 2008 9:08 PM
Jamie -- "Candlestick lasts longer than the candle." Yes! Touche!
Jack --This means that boys get "old" at 40.
Which I suppose is why cougars like 'em a lot younger than 40.
8-)
Posted by: Divalicias | March 4, 2008 9:09 PM
Ally ,
That's 1% of the precincts..Don't quote me ;)
Posted by: Rezdog
| March 4, 2008 9:10 PM
" Clinton is already complaining about voter intimidation in TX. "
Primary or Caucus?
If caucus it's very believable having seen some of the Obama folks in action. It's fair under those circumstances up to a certain pushy, pushy, "peter P. Pushy" point, but if someone is shy, it can be difficult.
Posted by: jamie | March 4, 2008 9:10 PM
re: 50 SD
Why not roll them all out now? Seems really questionable, to hold them back, as if they do not exist. He or they who say it, should mean it, and prove it...like a real man! (fos)
Either they are there supporting BHO or it is a lie!
Typical political BS - so much for a new political - same as it ever was.
Posted by: march4 | March 4, 2008 9:15 PM
The multiple posts was a browser/blog issue...not me
:-(
sorry.
Posted by: Wendy FIGHT ON! | March 4, 2008 9:15 PM
Russert and Matthews are playing dirges for Clinton.
Posted by: jamie | March 4, 2008 9:15 PM
" Clinton is already complaining about voter intimidation in TX. "
Just workin' the refs all part of normal business.
Both sides do it.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | March 4, 2008 9:16 PM
Russert on MSNBC on who can better handle McCain if they go "mano - mano oops what's Spanish for woman? ah, ah, Mano - Womano" .
Love it!! That makes for joy in the Clinton household!
Posted by: Flatus
| March 4, 2008 9:17 PM
Ah, i hate to see ole huckaboo take his leave -- wow, his wife looks like his brother
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| March 4, 2008 9:19 PM
Russert on MSNBC on who can better handle McCain if they go "mano - mano oops what's Spanish for woman? ah, ah, Mano - Womano" .
Love it!! That makes for joy in the Clinton household!
Posted by: Flatus
| March 4, 2008 9:19 PM
My brother married a cougar.
they met: he 24--she 42
married: he 29--she 47
today: he 49--she 67
"and they lived happily ever after" 8)
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| March 4, 2008 9:19 PM
Huckabee on CNN giving up. Oh, sweet irony at Bush having to endorse McCain...
Posted by: Julia | March 4, 2008 9:20 PM
"Clinton is already complaining about voter intimidation in TX."
Why not Texas, Obama's union male surrogates did it at the Nevada caucuses.
Posted by: Patsi | March 4, 2008 9:20 PM
Mrs. Huckabee looks like she is crying... 8(
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| March 4, 2008 9:20 PM
Begala is talking sense right now on CNN. Citing the Pew poll that 25% of Hillary voters that would vote McCain if she's not the nominee -- this is very true in my area with a bunch of military who like Hillary -- but think Obama is way too green to be trusted. They will ALL vote for McCain.
This doesn't make me happy -- I can only hope that the Bush/McCain photo-op tomorrow will straighten them out. Not that it would really matter since I live in a red county in a reddish-purple state. (Virginia) They can vote for whomever and McCain will take all the precincts here. DEMs best performance has been about 48% in only two precincts in the last presidential cycle.
Posted by: Divalicias | March 4, 2008 9:21 PM
Rezdog: Still seems strange to me...only 800,000 Democrats voted in the 2004 Democratic Primary in Texas. With 2% of the precincts reporting, 1,000,000 people have voted in the Democratic primary so far?
Posted by: Ally
| March 4, 2008 9:21 PM
"Mano-Womano" ???
Russert is such a putz. It's God getting even with him for asking Hillary the name of the forthcoming Russian president.
Just proves that God is a woman!
Posted by: Flatus
| March 4, 2008 9:22 PM
"wow, his wife looks like his brother"
--Craig
O....M...G!!!!!
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| March 4, 2008 9:22 PM
MSNBC announced that HRC wins Rhode Island -- KO is choking on the words.
Posted by: Divalicias | March 4, 2008 9:22 PM
Whogivesafuckabee finally concedes.
Good riddance.
Go away.
Never come back.
Just die.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 4, 2008 9:23 PM
Wow Lush, good for them. : )
Maybe I should tell my friend to become a cougar, I would but I am married......lol
Posted by: march4 | March 4, 2008 9:24 PM
No se.. I read they expected 3 mil + and I 'm sure some of those W TX counties have few dems in some small precincts. Don't know the answer, but i'm sure the % means precincts.
Posted by: Rezdog
| March 4, 2008 9:25 PM
now i feel bad, she doesn't look like his brother, just his twin. put that necklace on him and he could be a running mate with major crossover appeal
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| March 4, 2008 9:25 PM
No se.. I read they expected 3 mil + and I 'm sure some of those W TX counties have few dems in some small precincts. Don't know the answer, but i'm sure the % means precincts.
Posted by: Rezdog
| March 4, 2008 9:25 PM
damn, Divalicias...I switched to CNN coz you said Begala was on...and I missed the KO choke!!
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| March 4, 2008 9:26 PM
Lush: What is the age difference required for the term "cougar"? 10 years? 15?
Posted by: Ally
| March 4, 2008 9:26 PM
Rezdog: Well those precincts that are in must be the big big big ones for the math to figure...even if the estimated turnout is 3,000,000!
Posted by: Ally
| March 4, 2008 9:29 PM
Now that the GOP nomination is settled, let's just sit back, relax...and watch Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews struggle vainly to stop the Democrat's Super Bowl while there's still seven minutes to go in the 4th Quater.
"Eli, Eli...you're team has LOST. Don't try to escape that sack! Don't throw that pass! The only way he could catch it is if he were to...say, trap it against his helmet! This game's over."
Whiny babies. They'll get theirs.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 4, 2008 9:30 PM
Ally, Call texas SOS ..
You know how those aggies are! lol
Posted by: Rezdog
| March 4, 2008 9:32 PM
so long mike -- concession speeches should be shorter, tho
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| March 4, 2008 9:33 PM
I double checked on the Texas Secretary of state and the total is 839,231
Posted by: jamie | March 4, 2008 9:33 PM
Gallup: "A strong night for Clinton last night allowed her to erase the lead Obama had held the previous six days."
http://www.gallup.com/poll/104770/Gallup-Daily-Obama-45-Clinton-45.aspx
Wonder if those 50 superDs will have second thoughts after Clinton wins OH, TX and RI and polls show Obama's national lead evaporating...
:-D
Posted by: Wendy FIGHT ON! | March 4, 2008 9:42 PM
Fineman is an @ss
Posted by: march4 | March 4, 2008 9:43 PM
Ally
I don't really know the age difference, but I think the woman has to be 35+. I consider myself a "cougette", as my husband is 18 MONTHS younger than I am...LOL!!
--LushIsLinda
Posted by: "cougette" | March 4, 2008 9:51 PM
Let's hope Hillary follows Huckabee's example and gets out soon.
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC | March 4, 2008 9:57 PM
LOL "Johnny B Goode" is McCain's theme song now...?
Posted by: Julia | March 4, 2008 10:06 PM
Well, Mr. Obama, looks like the trajectory (to use your high-brow word) of this race is a chang'in. Thank you God, for this relief! I would have LOVED to see KO choking on those words.
Posted by: FranSC
| March 4, 2008 10:09 PM
Let's hope the Obama express comes to a screeching halt.
Is everyone getting lots of error messages?
Posted by: jamie | March 4, 2008 10:09 PM
Jamie: Yes, something funny going on.
Posted by: Ally
| March 4, 2008 10:11 PM
heavy traffic on site creating technical glitches. hang in there, should smooth out shortly. meanwhile, we've got tornado warnings in DC, gettin windy out there
Posted by: Craig Crawford | March 4, 2008 10:15 PM
Hey sturg or nash if you're lurking we miss you guys, I'm doing chat tonight,email me
bgarens at gmail
Yes Jamie, this happens every election night.
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC | March 4, 2008 10:15 PM
Well, Mr. Obama, looks like the trajectory (to use your high-brow word) of this race is a chang'in. Thank you God, for this relief! I would have LOVED to see KO choking on those words.
Posted by: FranSC
| March 4, 2008 10:17 PM
heavy traffic weighin us down tonight, sorry about the glitches
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| March 4, 2008 10:18 PM
BTW any Obama folk who want to join live chat email me. (no nut jobs please)
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC | March 4, 2008 10:27 PM
"heavy traffic on site creating technical glitches."
Hey, Craig! You still got the Trail Mix Server in your back bedroom???
Posted by: Flatus
| March 4, 2008 10:35 PM
So there are a lot of lurkers out there...
[she looks around the room]
Posted by: Wendy FIGHT ON! | March 4, 2008 10:36 PM
This is my very first time to post on any blog. definitely positively, a HILLARY supporter.. 73 yrs young and here to say that if Obama wins the nomination, will sit out the very first time ever since starting to vote.. Will not-not-not vote for Obama..
Enjoy this site so much. Thanks for no foul language and the Kool aid drinking Obamanuts are at least not so many that you can't just slip by them.
Just one question- what does yo soy horsedooty mean? good laugh
Young 73
Posted by: Young 73 | March 4, 2008 10:37 PM
Craig has clogged the servers! He deserves a raise!
Dateline Dallas: The caucus
I'm no longer a virgin. I have caucused! The last time there were 14 people there, they said. This time there were 300 or so. It was packed.
The line was out the door and around the corner for the Dems to vote and about, oh, 5 folks in the Repub line. And this is a Repub strong hold.
It was noted by several people that there were more African Americans there than they knew lived in this precinct. Interesting.
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| March 4, 2008 10:39 PM
young73, how gracious of you to be so insulting your very first time posting.
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC | March 4, 2008 10:46 PM
Power went out for a bit -- now it's back on -- but we're in the basement. So what did I miss?
Posted by: Divalicias | March 4, 2008 10:47 PM
Congrats tt : )
Posted by: Ally
| March 4, 2008 10:48 PM
Looks like Hills is closing the leads in TX.
Shit fire and save matches.
*quarter for the swear jar*
Posted by: Julia | March 4, 2008 10:50 PM
Young73 - let me be the first to WELCOME YOU!
Glad to know you're out there!
Posted by: Wendy FIGHT ON! | March 4, 2008 10:50 PM
Clinton wins OHIO
Posted by: labber
| March 4, 2008 10:52 PM
Young73 --not a blog virgin any more! Welcome!
Posted by: Divalicias | March 4, 2008 10:52 PM
So let me just go on record and say that I was wrong.
Yes...I was wrong.
This morning I predicted Hillary would win RI by about 5%
I was wrong
Looks like she KICKED HIS BUTT in RI
My prediction of 12% - 16% is so far holding in OH
[keeping fingers crossed]
:-D
Posted by: Wendy FIGHT ON! | March 4, 2008 10:52 PM
I join Wendy in welcoming Young73!
Posted by: Ally
| March 4, 2008 10:53 PM
HRC wins Rhode Island
SNAP!!!!
Ohhhhhhhhh and quite possibly Ohio???
DOUBLE SNAP!!!!
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| March 4, 2008 10:53 PM
btw...SNAP = BHO 12 state win streak being broken!!
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| March 4, 2008 10:54 PM
CNN called Ohio for Hillary!!!
Posted by: zoey
| March 4, 2008 10:55 PM
Nuthin you can say can take me away from My Girl!
Goooo Hillary!
Posted by: ct | March 4, 2008 10:55 PM
Who is the Congressman in RI? Oh yeah! Patrick Kennedy!
Posted by: Divalicias | March 4, 2008 10:55 PM
WOOHOO!!!!!!!
and then takes the lead in TX...
Posted by: Wendy FIGHT ON! | March 4, 2008 10:55 PM
Go Ohio!!! Nice win Hillary!!!!!
Posted by: march4 | March 4, 2008 10:56 PM
Patsi
I found some of those retired military bigshots, from the Northrup Grumman web site click on the name and get the resumes. Looks like a military retirement home
http://www.northropgrumman.com/cle/index.html#omaha
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | March 4, 2008 10:56 PM
Yes....She won!! I hope she starts her speech in the middle of Obamas like he did to her........
Posted by: Tan | March 4, 2008 10:57 PM
Yes....She won!! I hope she starts her speech in the middle of Obamas like he did to her........
Posted by: Tan | March 4, 2008 10:57 PM
She won something! Oh my God! It's been so long!
And watch, at the end of the night, Barack will have expanded his delegate lead.
You Clintonites are so deluded. She ain't gonna win. But we'll keep going on with this charade.
Obama 08!
Posted by: alpha1906
| March 4, 2008 10:57 PM
Oh Lord...Tim Russert can barely speak!!
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| March 4, 2008 10:57 PM
OHIO IS HILLARY Country!
Posted by: Divalicias | March 4, 2008 10:57 PM
Russert on MSNBC on who can better handle McCain if they go "mano - mano oops what's Spanish for woman? ah, ah, Mano - Womano" .
Love it!! That makes for joy in the Clinton household!
Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | March 4, 2008 9:17 PM
In my part of the barrio "mano" means "hand" so it is mano a mano = hand to hand.
man and woman = hombre y mujer
I agree that Russert is a putz.
yo soy Horsedooty!
Posted by: Horsedooty! | March 4, 2008 10:59 PM
I wonder if BHO will even give a speech?
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| March 4, 2008 10:59 PM
You know what this is like? Obama has been scoring touchdowns over and over. And Hillary just hit a field goal. Well played to Hillary. Still can't ever catch Obama.
Posted by: alpha1906
| March 4, 2008 11:00 PM
Hillary is the new comeback kid
Posted by: labber
| March 4, 2008 11:01 PM
relax, alpha1906
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| March 4, 2008 11:02 PM
tech folks tell me our server is handling the traffic now, but could get wiggly again, so be careful out there
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| March 4, 2008 11:02 PM
You mean Patrick "crash my car into a Capitol barricade and then go straight to rehab" Kennedy?
;-)
Posted by: Wendy FIGHT ON! | March 4, 2008 11:02 PM
Oh Lord...spit it out, Andrea
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| March 4, 2008 11:05 PM
CNN reports Obama called McCain and said he looked forward to running against him. A bit presumptious?
Posted by: labber
| March 4, 2008 11:05 PM
Congratulations to Clinton fans. A good night for her so far. She amazed Bear in Rhode Island, apparently.
Wendy!: you may have a future as a pundit.
Alpha -- if you have a moment, plz visit Brian's chat room.
www. brianarens.com/blog
Wow it is getting windy outside in Northern VA.
Posted by: dog hussein dog | March 4, 2008 11:06 PM
Still can't win. I kinda feel for her. The ring is out there, but just out of reach. She needed to win overwhelmingly and she didn't. That's my great relief.
BTW, Obama will win Wyoming and Mississippi and win even more delegates before Pennsylvania.
For all of you Clintonites, how do you even image her winning? It doesn't work mathematically.
Posted by: alpha1906
| March 4, 2008 11:06 PM
Clinton now in the lead in Texas
Posted by: labber
| March 4, 2008 11:06 PM
Labber,
Despite the spin and celebration, this race is effectively over. That's why Obama can look to McCain.
Posted by: alpha1906
| March 4, 2008 11:08 PM
The race is a long way form over, Alpha
Posted by: labber
| March 4, 2008 11:11 PM
Looking at the CNN ohio county by county map
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/county/#OHDEMMAPprimary
Obama is not breaking 30% in the rural counties.
In Missouri, on feb 5, he broke 30% all over and often up to 40%.
He did this even in the conservative racist south part of the state.
It looks like his base is narrowing.
Not a good sign if he is to become the candidate.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | March 4, 2008 11:11 PM
Exactly alpha and watch what the super delegates do as Hillary gets even more negative. They aint going to like it!
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC | March 4, 2008 11:12 PM
I think Chris Obamatthews and Keith Olbarackmann both need to join Brian's chatroom...they are losin' it...very sad 8(
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| March 4, 2008 11:13 PM
The race is a long way from over, Alpha. Hillary has just gotten started.
Posted by: labber
| March 4, 2008 11:13 PM
Labber, we give Hillary all of the next 16 races at a 55% to 45% clip and she's STILL going to lose in terms of delegates. This race is over. The problem is that they've given their supporters the idea that they can somehow do it. But they can't.
And by the way, the Democratic leadership will NOT allow Clinton to bash Obama for seven weeks, doing the Republican hit job. Ain't gonna happen. The superdelegates will revolt before that happens.
Posted by: alpha1906
| March 4, 2008 11:14 PM
I'm watching the Clinton celebration and it's actually sad. All of these supporters, who've given their hearts to this campaign, are being tricked into thinking they have a chance.
The big question over the next week: Is Hillary for the Democratic Party or for herself. That will be the pressure we'll see on her campaign.
Posted by: alpha1906
| March 4, 2008 11:17 PM
Alpha, ditto
Posted by: ditto | March 4, 2008 11:21 PM
alpha...relax....
Why can't you just allow the Hillary supporters to enjoy her victory?
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| March 4, 2008 11:21 PM
Alpha...stop whining...you add nothing to the discussion.
Posted by: zoey
| March 4, 2008 11:22 PM
There are folks from TX at the Second Life party who went to caucus and said the Hillary support was just as strong as the Obama support.
That could be a squeaker too.
Posted by: Wendy FIGHT ON! | March 4, 2008 11:22 PM
She wins it Obamamites by pointing out that if the state is BIG and BLUE she won it. If it is tiny red and Republican, he won it. If you want to win the general you go with the lady.
Posted by: jamie | March 4, 2008 11:23 PM
I guess has Bill has better things to do then join his wife in Ohio.
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC | March 4, 2008 11:23 PM
Wendy -- well done, you have championed Hillary against all odds.
Is she the "comeback" kid(woman) as well?
And she wins with votes from Democrats! And women!
Posted by: Coreen | March 4, 2008 11:24 PM
You've gotta be kidding me. When Obama was winning eleven straight, all of the Clintonites were calling him everything but the son of the devil.
I haven't said anything negative, but the truth. As a Democrat, I'm not surprised that a Clinton would have the interest of themselves over the party, but it is a bit sad.
But let her have the confetti. Tomorrow, the party's over.
Posted by: alpha1906
| March 4, 2008 11:25 PM
Would you gentlemen like some cheese with that whine.
Posted by: jamie | March 4, 2008 11:26 PM
The lady don't need any hand holding...she has it handled.
Posted by: zoey
| March 4, 2008 11:26 PM
We all know that this is a minor victory for HRC.
We all know that BHO will eventually be elected president.
We all know that BHO will change the world and possibly the entire universe.
and tonight
We all know that HRC has won RI and OH.
So, alpha1906, please allow us to enjoy HRC's teeny victory...OK? Stop being such a sore loser...it is very unbecoming.
Thanks!! 8)
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| March 4, 2008 11:27 PM
Yep Brian - he's been dispatched to Wyoming...the race goes on!!
Posted by: Wendy FIGHT ON! | March 4, 2008 11:27 PM
Maybe Bill is celebrating with some trailer park chippy.
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC | March 4, 2008 11:28 PM
Ah, but it's about winning delegates and not states. And if you want to win an election, you first have to win the nomination. No back room deals will allow Hillary to win.
I'll bet everyone a bag of M&Ms that superdelegates begin leaking from her campaign as early as tomorrow.
Posted by: alpha1906
| March 4, 2008 11:29 PM
She makes a gracious point to Obama in the thank yous. Nice touch.
Posted by: Divalicias | March 4, 2008 11:30 PM
Nothing sore about it, just stating facts. BTW, when Clinton was losing, she suddenly forgot to thank Obama until days after. Talk about sore losers.
Posted by: alpha1906
| March 4, 2008 11:30 PM
Alpha, That is not fair. On this list, he has been addressed as Senator. He has been praised for his intelligence. I have not seen even a little bit of name calling in his direction other than saying he needed more experience to do the job.
Throughout it all, we have endured constant name calling and bullying from the Obama supporters. The list of which looks like a class action suit for sexual harrassment.
Whether she wins or not, we have a right to celebrate without flak from the bullying losers.
Posted by: jamie | March 4, 2008 11:31 PM
"I guess has Bill has better things to do then join his wife in Ohio. "
Well, since the Obamabots would have somehow spun his appearance into a racist statement, mabye he decided to sit it out.
Posted by: Patsi | March 4, 2008 11:32 PM
Below is from someone who lives in Ohio. Something is not right if this is true.
"Ohio Numbers:
11:15 PM
cough (63% susposedly counted- WITHOUT BIG CITIES AND WITHOUT MY DAMN COUNTY AND ALL OF CLEVELAND, THE COUNTY THAT RAN OUT OF BALLOTS).
1,335,997 COUNTED.
OBAMA......563,978....41%
HILL..........772,019....57%
( She did go into this with that kind of lead)
*******************
Texas:
( without Caucus results still)
40% Counted:
Obama.......817,833
Hill.............834,861
Total Counted 1,652,694 ( this suposedly does not COUNT....Houston or Dallas...)
So here is MY DUMB Question so are BIG CITY Votes and Urban Votes BEING CAGED...ALL OF THEM....IS THAT WHAT ALSO HAPPENED IN NY, ( IE HARLEM????)
So where are the results from these counties?
And if Hillary did win than I congratulate the Hillary supporters.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 4, 2008 11:33 PM
Alpha -- off you go to the naughty bench. That's quite enough out of you this evening.
Posted by: Divalicias | March 4, 2008 11:33 PM
You've got to be kidding, Jamie. No, seriously. You've got to be kidding. Should I go back to former posts and put them up for you? No name calling against Obama????
Posted by: alpha1906
| March 4, 2008 11:33 PM
*does his happy gloat dance around the blog*
Posted by: Brian In NYC
______
may I join you???
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| March 4, 2008 11:34 PM
Patsi
I think they are keeping BIll away on purpose...it is a shame, but I am sure he will show-up in the White House.
It definitely is going to convention. Craig was soooooo right about MIchigan and Florida. And so right that fear is a great tool in politics.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| March 4, 2008 11:34 PM
"thank Obama until days after."
And he was so rude, he started his speech so that it stopped coverage of hers, something she has never done to him. I'm afraid the arrogance is starting to catch up with him.
Posted by: jamie | March 4, 2008 11:35 PM
Linda you searched back through weeks of posts to find that, god what a loser.
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC | March 4, 2008 11:35 PM
Brian...actually, I wrote it down...I knew I would be using it!!!!
Like HRC...I am always thinking ahead!!!!
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| March 4, 2008 11:37 PM
Not from me and cetainly nothing like The Joy of Brian
The Joy of Brian
Unless you are middle aged or above and have a vagina the magic that is Hillary is just beyond your comprehension.
Hillary, The Three Faces of Eve was not a movie about running for prez.
Shrillary has to stick it out till after Texas and Ohio, but she needs to get out real quick afterwards.
What's wrong patsi bored with trying to castrate me, now you're after warren?
Gift: Picture/I'm not a lesbian but I hate men
I think your diaper needs to be changed.
don't waste your key strokes, no point in casting pearls before swine
have you been hanging out at Craig's Kool-Aid Bar?
more Clintonista victim bullshit
I always figured Patsi a homophobe
All you'll be eating after Tuesday is crow!
I've been trying to figure out for ages how you got to be you. Now I know, garbage in - garbage out.
"teacher said every time you say "bimbo a shrew's head explodes"
you're being more vile than usual, something happen?
I was worried maybe your pessary fell out or something.
Stop whining already, that's all you do is complain.
Posted by: jamie | March 4, 2008 11:37 PM
Brian H -- Naughty bench for you too! Spit spot!
Posted by: Divalicias | March 4, 2008 11:38 PM
well you guys can look forward to arguing this stuff all the way to august, me thinks. and also suspect this means they'll have run together in the general, no matter what order and whether they like it or not
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| March 4, 2008 11:39 PM
I seem to remember this post by Craig a while back:
If a new Texas poll has it right, Hillary Rodham Clinton's hoped-for comeback on March 4 is in serious jeopardy. A CNN survey finds Clinton at 50 percent and Barack Obama at 48 percent for the Texas Democratic primary, a dead heat well within the poll's margin of error. But roughly 25 percent of voters said they might change their minds. More on CQ Politics PollTracker
Anything that close in Texas would be a disaster for Clinton. If she only narrowly wins the popular vote, Obama’s commanding lead among African-American voters could give him the edge in delegates. That is because state party rules award delegates within each state senate district -- and award more delegates to districts, such as those with large black populations, where voters historically turn out in greater numbers for Democrats.
Clinton is counting on her lead among Hispanic voters for a boost, but in recent years their turnout has been low, depressing the number of delegates allocated to their districts.
Losing the delegate race in Texas would not only overshadow a slim lead in the popular vote for Clinton. It would severely undermine her bid to win unelected “superdelegates” who are likely to be the swing vote in the nomination battle.
Posted by: alpha1906
| March 4, 2008 11:39 PM
you people really need to get a life, It would never occur to me to save anything either of you had ever posted. But I appreciate your attentions, sad as they may be! too funny.
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC | March 4, 2008 11:40 PM
AP
All of those votes are being counted. CNN just went over them. The counting is slow because they are so large. Harris County for one is huge.
Texas will be very close because of those huge urban counties and Sen Obama may still win it.
Posted by: jamie | March 4, 2008 11:41 PM
The super delegate will change its color more than a chameleon on an oriental rug over the next few months. I am so befuddled by the media claim that if HRC stays in it is good for JMc and not the dems....oh no, no. It is better for JMc to fight a war on two fronts. If it just BHO or HRC, he can hone his attack. But, if the repugs do not know who will be the nomination...so much the better. I am really tiring of the media stupidity.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| March 4, 2008 11:41 PM
Brian
Not much saving involved. That's only three days of your vile screeches and insults.
Posted by: jamie | March 4, 2008 11:42 PM
Craig -- An old world marriage? Oy veh!
Posted by: Divalicias | March 4, 2008 11:42 PM
ha, diva, more like a shotgun wedding where they bride and groom are holding the weapons
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| March 4, 2008 11:44 PM
ohhhhh...I would love to watch the sparks fly, in the White House, with Hillary and Bill and Barack and Michelle!!!!
Sounds like a reality show in the making!!!
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| March 4, 2008 11:44 PM
And I actually heard chanting at HRC victory speech in Ohio. Oh dear. BHO in Texas not getting the same response as HRC in Ohio.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| March 4, 2008 11:46 PM
Obama says he called John McCain to congratulate him -- did he forget to call HRC to congratulate her? He wans us to think he's running against McCain now.
Hmmm... not so inspiring tonight.
Factories in OH, plains of TX -- where he lost.
Posted by: Divalicias | March 4, 2008 11:47 PM
jaime, well said. But I would say that his audacity (not arrogance) is catching up with him.
Posted by: labber
| March 4, 2008 11:47 PM
BW: That 's because the speech is actually a long, slow scowl. It's a downer.
Posted by: Ally
| March 4, 2008 11:48 PM
Brian...I didn't "save it", save it...I actually wrote the time and date down on a little heart shaped post it note.
c'mon...have a sense of humor!!
you know, secretly, you are LYAO!!!!
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| March 4, 2008 11:48 PM
Don't worry Lush I'll be doing my dance again on Saturday and next Tuesday. Get your pencil out!
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC | March 4, 2008 11:50 PM
ohhhhhhhh...you know MLRO is gonna be spankin' that BHO a$$ tonight!!
He is probably afraid to go back to the hotel or plane!!
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| March 4, 2008 11:51 PM
Hillary made a very good speech. I look forward to her coming to Oregon for our May primary.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | March 4, 2008 11:51 PM
ROFL, Jamie!
Posted by: Patsi | March 4, 2008 11:51 PM
Bitter, table for one?
Posted by: EuroTom
| March 4, 2008 11:52 PM
It will be one of the highest rated reality shows in a long time based on the turnout for the primaries. In watching the repug numbers vs. the dem numbers...it is amazing.
I am so happy...I hope for the dream team, too.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| March 4, 2008 11:52 PM
OD: Oregon is pretty much in the bag for Obama, yes? What part of the state are you in?
Posted by: Ally
| March 4, 2008 11:53 PM
Congrats Hillary... fight this thing to the convention... And you go Patsi and Jamie...
I should have directed my bitter comment to two extremely aggressive Obama supporters here... bitter table for 2...
off to work
Posted by: EuroTom
| March 4, 2008 11:53 PM
Not sure that "world is watching" line is going to be effective in the general -- isn't that the sort of thing Kerry got knocked for? Suggesting that we should be voting a certain way to please the rest of the world.
Posted by: labber
| March 4, 2008 11:53 PM
ROFL, Jamie!
Posted by: Patsi | March 4, 2008 11:53 PM
There he goes bringing up his mother...Its amazing NOW HE MENTIONED HIS MOTHER IS WHITE. Never heard him mention his mothers race till tonight....He keep that low key....There is his Trump Card..
Posted by: Tan | March 4, 2008 11:53 PM
Brian...no doubt
But you have to admit, that was hilarious and very clever(if I do say so myself)!!
(still)LMAO!!
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| March 4, 2008 11:54 PM
And don't forget kiddies WY is a caucus state!
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC | March 4, 2008 11:55 PM
BHO outspent HRC in both of the big states...and like Romney...maybe $$$ (Moolah, maybe) doesn't equal delegates. Perhaps, HRC did show some Moolah.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| March 4, 2008 11:55 PM
cute perhaps, clever umm....., well sure if have your night, she did well in Ohio, had to go slimy to pull it off, but she won Ohio nicely.
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC | March 4, 2008 11:57 PM
What do you know about Wyoming, Brian?
Posted by: Blonde wino
| March 4, 2008 11:57 PM
Craig -- CNN reporting lots of hostilities between the staffers of BHO and HRC -- fights breaking out on conference calls to reporters. Oh dear -- fear you're right -- the Hatfields and McCoys.
Dang -- It's sounding scary here in Stafford. Going to the safe room now.
Posted by: Divalicias | March 5, 2008 12:00 AM
She was so slimy. One commercial with a ringing telephone and sleeping babies plus one smart ass remark about his 2002 "speech" ... Not exactly slash and burn of her opponent.
Everything else he did to himself, was done by his campaign staff, or was done by Right Wing Republicans beginning at the time of his first run for the Senate.
Posted by: jamie | March 5, 2008 12:03 AM
RE: Caucus Irregularities
1) Irregularities: Prematurely Taking Precinct Convention Packets by Obama Campaign
Numerous calls have shown that Obama supporters prematurely removed convention packets from polling places. Packets may not legally given out until 7:15 PM or when the last voter has cast a ballot in the primary. The Texas State Party warned the Obama campaign in writing that they may not take these packets early or remove them from the polling locations.
2) Voter Intimidation: Lock-out of Clinton caucus goers by Obama Campaign
Numerous calls have been received that the Obama campaign has taken over caucus sites and locked the doors, excluding Clinton campaign supporters from participating in the caucus. The Clinton supporters have been unable to enter the premises to caucus. In at least one instance, law enforcement was called and forcibly opened the caucus site.
3. There are numerous instances of Obama supporters filing out precinct convention sign-in sheets during the day and submitting them as completed vote totals at caucus. This is expressly against the rules. The sign-in sheets were copied by the Obama campaign from the Texas Democratic Party website and taken by supporters to various polling places to sign-up caucus goers prior to the start of the caucuses
http://taylormarsh.com/
Posted by: GORDO | March 5, 2008 12:05 AM
I guess there will be no thrills, in Chris' legs, tonight!!
BW is saying BHO was talking about Tina Fey/SNL, on his plane today.
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| March 5, 2008 12:05 AM
The computation of delegate apportionment.
If you understand that phrase, then you might understand how Democratic candidates end up with delegates.
I certainly don't understand the process. A process that diverges from the one person, one vote type of counting that we've been used to ever since we were kids.
I think that each state organization can make their own rules that are based on historical data. That's fine so long as the data is still relevant--something that I question in many of the states in which caucuses have been a major part of the electoral process.
We've ended up with a bunch of rules; the Law of Rules.
Which may not be even close to what we learned as youngsters when we were taught how one person, one vote enabled our Rule of Law, not the Law of Rules that has appeared so starkly this primary season.
Posted by: Flatus
| March 5, 2008 12:09 AM
To Alpha and Brian... I did not insult BHO! Or you.
Sounds to me like you two are sore losers..
As to the Arthimetic - Do not forget Florida & Michigan.
Florida delegates will definitely be given to HRC.
Then lets see how the delegates rack up.. He didn't win Ohio - let's see him win the prez.. No way..
Ohio by 15% RI 18% Hillary .. that's our girl
young 73
Posted by: young 73 | March 5, 2008 12:09 AM
my goodness...it is like a tornado here!!..yikes!!
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| March 5, 2008 12:09 AM
Hillary is going to be tranced in WY that's what I know Blondie.
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC | March 5, 2008 12:10 AM
The computation of delegate apportionment.
If you understand that phrase, then you might understand how Democratic candidates end up with delegates.
I certainly don't understand the process. A process that diverges from the one person, one vote type of counting that we've been used to ever since we were kids.
I think that each state organization can make their own rules that are based on historical data. That's fine so long as the data is still relevant--something that I question in many of the states in which caucuses have been a major part of the electoral process.
We've ended up with a bunch of rules; the Law of Rules.
Which may not be even close to what we learned as youngsters when we were taught how one person, one vote enabled our Rule of Law, not the Law of Rules that has appeared so starkly this primary season.
Posted by: Flatus
| March 5, 2008 12:12 AM
Dog, with regards to your 11PM post, Hillary didn't surprise me, she met what my expectation for the vote there.
With regards to Ohio, the one telling statistic is that 8 of every 10 voters who said race of the candidates was an issue voted for Clinton. So all of you complaining that the black vote is nothing but lemmings can now keep quiet.
To everyone gloating, congratulations on giving the presidency to McCain. All HRC has done is proven that she is incompetent when it comes to hiring a staff since it took her a few reshufflings before they got their shit together. She has demonstrated that she can't manage money or a large organization well since it took her over $100 million and countless months to actually find something that worked. If she was really a good fighter, she would have done this in January and iced things before super tuesday. I wonder when the announcement that Dick Morris is on her staff will come out?
Lastly, where are all the indignant Clinton supporters when Paul Begala says that Obama won't get all of Hillary's votes? The utter hypocrisy of people on this site is alarmingly funny. I am just glad that my doctor tells me that I have a low likelihood of seeing a McCain presidency.
I bid you all peace. Remember the shit you all fling in the air eventually does come down and it leaves a nice stench.
After monitoring the discord in this room and countless others in the blogosphere, logic has been replaced by dogmatic idealism that would make the Soviets proud.
Posted by: Bear
| March 5, 2008 12:13 AM
young73 I have little if no respect for people who make statements like if Hillary loses I'm sitting it out. Despite my feelings that Hillary is not in our best interest if by some miracle she should win the nomination I will hold my nose and vote for her. I care too much for the lives of our soldiers and too many concerns about what can happen to a woman's right of choice that I would do anything that would make it easier for John McCain or any other repug to win in the general. Frankly statements like yours disgust me.
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC | March 5, 2008 12:15 AM
"Lastly, where are all the indignant Clinton supporters when Paul Begala says that Obama won't get all of Hillary's votes? "
Hanging out with all the Obama voters Michelle said wouldn't vote for Clinton.
Posted by: jamie | March 5, 2008 12:17 AM
Bear...
How True.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| March 5, 2008 12:18 AM
When this thing is over, we all need to pur aside hurt feelings and unite for a Democratic victory. One way or another, I prefer that both of these candidates end up on the ticket.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | March 5, 2008 12:20 AM
The last Oregon poll I saw had Hillary ahead by 8 points. Competitive state. President Clinton won here twice. Should be interesting..
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