Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

First! Good morning everyone!

Mojo is saying HRC should stay in after today. Surprise, surprise.

Hillary doesn't have a damn bit of experience. I wish someone would challenge her on that.

I feel that a big surprise is brewing.

If....Barrack loses Texas and Ohio, he will have lost all the big states.
What does that say?

If Hillary wins Tx, Oh and Ri, she will have the momentum and cary on to PA, PR etc.
I think this is the reason why Barrack is calling Hillary to pull out, he knows that the longer this goes on, the faster his chances diminsh, cause people will see that he is full of talk.
Hillary is on a mission since late. I see the confidence and the good.

Good Luck Hill
A black educated man salutes U.

More than 9 million people have voted for Hillary in this primary season so far (not counting Mi and Fl). The pollsters should ask us if she should go on.

This white uneducated (but not stupid) woman joins Jason in wishing you luck Hillary.

Yay Jason!

Go Hillary! The Force is with you today. I was making calls into Ohio last night and the response was great. A friend is one of the "Flag officers" traveling with Hillary in Texas -- he said they've been going to events with veterans and getting great response. She's ahead in Rhode Island -- isn't that Congressman Patrick Kennedy's (Teddy's son) homebase?

Let's keep a good thought for the weather to ease up in Ohio.

Oh Alpha, Alpha, Alpha -- I'm sending you lots of yellow today -- you seem to need it. Play nice now, okay?

Divalicias, When people have a deep emotional stake in a candidate or an issue, they'll say things which, if we were mere observers, would still seem outrageous.

I think I woke up in a parellel universe today - got gutsy and watched the first hour of Morning Jo, so far he's slapped both Mika & Schuester around about the big 'O', I think Mika is still a little dizzy that he's going after him.

Well, off for my monthly infusion which they may not administer because I've come down with bronchitis and laryngitis. I'll try to apply what little charm I have in an effort at having them acquiesce. At least my bride of 40-some years will be with me.

Good morning...

O.D....
"Oh Please...Hillary is a fighter..Don't assume she will crumble..We will stand with to the convention when she will be the Democratic nominee.
Obama's ice is beginning to crack."

If this goes to convention than the Democratic Party will lose half the party. As it is many have left because they felt that the party no longer represented them and were no different then the Republican Fascist Nazi's.

Only this time they will not come back and the Party will be destroyed.

Also while your all bashing each others candidate I read somewhere that Pelosi is getting ready to cave into Der Fuhrer Adolph Bush and give the telecom's immunity in the FISA bill.

I guess Reid was only giving cover to Hillary so she wouldn't have to answer for voting the the immunity that Der Fuhrer wants for his spies and himself by letting the bill expire.

As for myself, after seeing this crap go on and on I now will no longer vote for Hillary if she is the nominee and destroys the party.

I'd rather see our country destroyed than see more of the same old politics from an establishment candidate. Once were destroyed maybe we can finally try to rebuild an America that is far better than what we once were.

But than that only depends on if we actually have elections now doesn't it?

Anyway I wish all of you well and maybe I'll stop back someday, but for now I can no longer take part in watching Democrats eat their own.

Goodbye and ...

God Bless.

This isn't about the election , but it will have far more lasting effects. LOL!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080304/ap_on_en_tv/idol_stripper;_ylt=AkEQ77ghJtrMuNmYcOyQJvms0NUE

Good luck today Flatus

Alpha - many may agree with you, Hillary has limited experience beyond that of proximity. And BHO... has even less - while he does have Chicago back room experience.
If you think experience is the key then I know JM will like to have your vote

Obama Avoids Answering About Rezko

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbkhzsTwz_g

Will Today continue the crazy election period? Like the college football season,, If it follows then look for HRC to hold on today. Just like NCAA the favorite at the start did after an up and down and all around season did finish first

"As for myself, after seeing this crap go on and on I now will no longer vote for Hillary if she is the nominee and destroys the party."

Meaning, if I don't get my way I'm taking my toys and going home.

I posted this yesterday and dammit I'm going to post it again...men like Gary Hart saying "Give up, it's inevitable" is like the old "joke" -- "When rape is inevitable relax and enjoy it."

The hell with those guys.

Here's your link for immunity for the telecom's. Another sell out by the Democratic Party.

http://reconstitution.us/rcnew/?p=948

See ya.

Obama Shrugs Off the Press

http://taylormarsh.com/

NAFTA-gate the memo, the fight , the run away from press...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME4Ir99gKPw

Anon -- how are you going to feel about Obama if he plays ball with the Repubs like he says he will?

"I think I woke up in a parellel universe today - got gutsy and watched the first hour of Morning Jo, so far he's slapped both Mika & Schuester around"
--econsmed

you "spoke" too soon...JS is now predicting Obama will sweep the states tonight 8(

I enjoyed the "christian" discussion between JS, MB and DS!!

Beautiful snow in big D last night, but it's gone already.
Can't wait for the campaign ads to go away, too.
I've seen about a million Obama ads, quite a few for Hil'ry and two Huckabees.

Hope the precinct convention is quick tonight, too.
Last time I did this, I ended up at the county convention as a Tsongas delegate & was gonna go to the state convention as an at large delegate promosing to support Clinton after Tsongas bowed out, but found an alternate to go for me. Very time-consuming and costly processes. The have pre-caucus meetings for everything, too.

mornin' all,

OK, I had to run out yesterday at about 11:30 - occasionally I actually have to work.

I went back to see what if any response alpha gave, and as I expected, alpha, you got it wrong because of your Obamabias. Craig did not assume the consequence in his blog comment yesterday, he questioned whether, based on historical precedent, one can win the general election without winning the Ohio primary, sort of applying that old adage about those who forget history... I'll ask the question again - what candidate has lost OH, NY, CA and PA primaries and gone on to win the nomination then the general election? Here's a hint - none from 1988 forward. Here's another one - look at Ohio.

Patsi, you go girl. Gary Hart certainly knows that inevitability isn't.

Obama talks a lot, but answers little

"SAN ANTONIO -- As Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) closed a combative press conference on Monday, where he was thrown seriously off message being asked about influence peddler Tony Rezko and why his campaign at first denied his economic adviser Austan Goolsbee met the Canadian consul in Chicago and talked about NAFTA, some reporters -- me included -- wanted him to take more questions."

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/823939,CST-NWS-sweet04.article

Gordo, You made my morning. LOLOL. Let's put the questions in proper order, though.

"You may still have questions, which I am happy to answer," Obama said to Marin, adding it is not fair to "suggest somehow" he has been trying to hide something.

Soon after he said, "If there is a specific question that you have, Carol, I'll be happy to respond to it."

Obama added as the press conference progressed, "If there are specific requests in terms of information that you feel that you don't yet have, we will be happy to talk about that."

And then there was the fourth happy. "If there is a specific question that you have, I am happy to respond to it."

"Guys," said Obama, who is campaigning on a platform that there should be more government transparency. "I mean come on. I just answered like eight questions," he said as he waved and left to a chorus of shouted questions. "

HAHAHAHA

Sounds just like Dumya when he's caught in the middle of a difficult press conference. Next Obama will start giving the reporters nicknames.

Obama should think about the Dem party and not himself - he should drop out of the race. Can be VP.

The press conference shows he is not ready.

CNN is reporting that 60%(2 million) of the voters in Texas have voted early.

dog, you have the gift of understatement. :-)

On that issue, Obama now is in the position of having his senior economic advisor make comments that suggest that the harsh talk on Nafta he is making in his campaign appearances in Ohio are the same old election year statements that the new politics decry and don't represent his views, which he is denying. They saw him say in the Ohio debate that he would renegotiate Nafta for a better deal for American workers - not better working conditions and environmental considerations in Canada. He is trying to have it both ways, and can't. The people aren't stupid and they aren't buying it. He didn't handle the Rezko questions any better. When the "bump in the road" is the press waking up and starting to ask the questions they should have been asking for the past two months, this does not help him.

And I have to say that I have heard that the primary fights would tear the party up for the forty some odd years I've been following democratic politics. It hasn't, it won't. It's part and parcel of the Democratic party, and I for one, do not want to see Hillary quit until it is mathematically impossible for her to win the nomination at the convention, and that will not happen before the primary season is completed.

GORDO...thanks for your 7:45 post 8)

It was fascinating to watch BHO walk away during a press conference, when the questions got tough.

This could be the start of the new/true BHO being revealed.

Hang in there, Hillary!!

dog, my dear, the fear ads are not very fearful, IMHO - they are pretty run of the mill campaign ads, and Abrams agrees. As he said, there's always something happening in the world, and it's legitimate to pose the question to the voters who they want to deal with what happens when the shit does hit the fan. Obama's campaign claiming "fearmongering" is getting tiresome. I did get a kick out of Abrams looking at both ads and saying that he hopes that someone will answer before the 6th ring. Notwithstanding his awful judgment that keeps Tucker on the air, I think he has become the honest broker on MSNBC to the extent there is one.

"A change in tone and a turn to inclusiveness."

I know what the Republican idea of inclusion involves. Submission.

"I did get a kick out of Abrams looking at both ads and saying that he hopes that someone will answer before the 6th ring. "
--pogo

yeah...at least Dan was fair about the six rings.

On Hardball, CM focused on the six rings in HRC's ad...didn't mention the 6 rings in the BHO ad.

Also, I think KO has gone off the deep end. He actually criticized HRC for saying, "Live from New York it is Saturday night!!". He pointed out that she should have said "it's"...not "it is".

ROTFLMAO!!

AP (that is anon-paranoid not Associated Press) wrote: "If this goes to convention than the Democratic Party will lose half the party."

And I believe that after watching several Democratic "so called" leaders - MOST OF THEM MEN - sit on the Sunday (a few on Monday) talk shows and basically say that Hillary should drop out of the race after Tuesday when several Women came out and stuck up for her and said she should go on, I believe it is the bone headed men of the "so called" Democratic Party that will destroy the party not Hillary if she continues her campaign and allows all the states to have their say.

Shall we remember the statistic . . . more women vote in Democratic primaries than men. How is it going to look for the ole Democratic Party if a bunch of MEN are pushing a woman candidate out of the race just after she's won 3 primaries out of 4 (and this is after she lost 11 in a row and was out spent 2-1). Most of the upcoming states look favorable to Hillary. Those MEN know this and that's why they are DESPERATE to get her out of the race.

I sent a little more money Hillary's way yesterday and told her it was so she could press on after today towards PA at the end of next month. I'm hoping others will do the same.

As I said last night

Fight on to Victory
FIGHT ON!

[last two lines of the USC Fight Song]

:-)

I just have one question if Obama feels the "phone call was fearmongering then why did he put one up also? Double standard. Funny the media did not address that. Surprise surprise!
I am holding signs for Hllary today at noon and I saw her Sunday and Bill on Friday it was awesome.
She already has my vote 2 weeks ago.
She will take Ohio, by a nice margin and also will take TX.
McCain is the fearmonger.
I am a HillStar
Go HILLARY in Ohio,

Ping Pong wrote: "Just like NCAA the favorite at the start did after an up and down and all around season did finish first"

Well...Ping...ummm...I love your analogy...umm cuz...I know it's in favor of Hillary but .... ummm.... as a USC Trojan I have to correct you. USC was ranked #1 at the beginning of last season...and ummm... well...so...ummm...harumph...never mind....I like your analogy better...

Carol
I agree with you that HRC will win Ohio.
I'm pessimistic about Texas.

"I'm pessimistic about Texas."

Yeah -- the system there is too bizarre, more disenfranchising caucuses.

Dog wrote: "And that's what a lot of people are just sick to their guts of "

Do you think the Republicans that are actually in Congress are sick of it?

If only O' could take all of you to Washington with him and have you take your seats in Congress...what a wonderful world it would be.

Any of you planning to run for office?

Just curious.

"I just have one question if Obama feels the "phone call was fearmongering then why did he put one up also? "
--Carol

Well, BHO obviously thought it was a creative ad, so he had to copy it. It's just like in the debates, when HRC answers a question and BHO answers the exact same question, by saying, "she's right...".

Wendy
The calls from Sunday for HRC to drop out was designed to suppress the HRC vote.
It gave the impress that a BO victory was inevitable and it was time to coalesce around his candidacy.

"I very much expect Obama to work with Republicans "

I think that statement brings up the real question of an Obama presidency.

How much is he willing to give up to reach an agreement with the Republicans.
From what I've seen the Republicans in congress are not interested in getting along in a bipartisan way. Even the moderates march in lock step on the really important votes.

So Dog how much do you want him to give up just to have your "peace and love".
Is total surrender and pass the Republican agenda enough? That is certainly what is going on right now.

One side can not have bipartisan agreement unless they are willing to engage in total surrender. It takes two parties and I don't see the Republicans interested in being bipartisan except if they get their way.

The amusing thing, for me, about Obama supporters is the ability to sing the praises of working together with the Republicans in one breath. Then in the next condem the Clinton administration for "triangulation". What was triangulation? Working in a bipartisan manner. It is almost psychotic.

Jack

The real problem with Texas is not so much the primary/caucus kerfuffel (although it is a nightmare) but rather that the congressional districts were gerrymandered under the influence of Tom Delay to disenfranchise minority voters, and conservative judges and justices put in place by Reagan (those that are still alive in TX) and the Bushes just couldn't see that there was anything wrong with that. Which is why, no matter who wins the dem primary, all you dems need to vote for the dem nominee.

Hi Vivian:

I've enjoyed your inside insight on all of this - I agree definitely designed to suppress the vote. I still think it looks REALLY bad for the Democratic Party as a whole to have a bunch of MEN go on talk shows and call for her to get out of the race.

Those MEN are going to ruin the party.

How strange it was to listen to a bunch of MEN talk about "healing the party". Nobody believes them...

Jack, your next round is on me.

Patsi...

"I'm pessimistic about Texas."

Yeah -- the system there is too bizarre, more disenfranchising caucuses."

Bill Clinton won both the Primary and Caucus in Texas in both 92 and 96.

He didn't think it was unfair than. The only reason they say it is unfair now is because Obama is doing better than Hillary is.

God Bless.

All of the candidates in both parties are promising to bring more jobs to the states they are campaigning in. Certainly NAFTA has been responsible for the loss of jobs in areas of the country. I believe that China has been responsible for the loss of the most jobs. One thing we have not heard from any of the candidates is a theme of "Buy American " and save American jobs. Labor costs are rising in China and sooner or later the costs of their products, due to energy costs, transportation costs, etc. will rise as well. If more Americans would do everything possible to buy American products we could at least help to preserve the remaining manufacturing jobs and send a signal that we want to support more jobs for our own citizens rather than for the citizens of China. Do others who visit this site try to buy only American made products? We have only a few things in our home that aren't made in the US, countries of our ancestors, and countries who we believe have good intent in their relations with us. Its difficult to do but it also has the result of keeping more money in our pockets as we purchase less (as less and less is available) and keeping a paycheck coming for American workers. It is also a comforting feeling to look around the house and think of all the hard working Americans who made our belongings.

Vivian - thanks for the Tom Delay alert....should have known that weasel was in this....

Jack -- you are so right.

Even if Hillary were to loose all 4 contests today, I still think she would continue?

U know why?
Because the big O is starting to show signs of cracking....

People will remember the state of the union snub, and will link it to the arraogance of leaving the press conference..
If he somehow will winthe nom, dems are over....

Then it is another 4 years of repubs in office.

But, as I said earlier, Hill will make a comeback today. She has to win Texas even if it is by 0.0001%. Allready calculating Ohio and Rhode Island in

Can I get an Amen?

anon -- Whoops! Here's a deal for you to check into! A woman justcalled in to C-Span and told some story about a Committee 300 which was Prescott Bush's plot to poison 50 million people on this earth!

Lordy!

Amen!

Jason - here is the good news...she's not going to loose all 4.

Here are my predictions for today:

OH - to Clinton by 12% - 16% (yes you heard me)

RI - to Clinton by 5% - 10%

TX - to Clinton and Obama (Clinton wins the primary by 5% and Obama wins the caucus by probably more than that)

VT - to Obama by a lot maybe 20%

We'll be here tomorrow...same time...same bat channel...watching the Obama as it cracks in half and sinks to the bottom of the sea.

and Jason . . . AMEN!

AP, when has winner ever challenged the system he/she won in? Neither of the current candidates have won TX yet. And please, design a worse, less representative system for TX, please. Iknow, get rid of the primary part of it and have the caucuses in inconvenient places within the congressional districts. That might be a little worse.

Off topic

Under the "it is a different world" column

Last week I tried a different tactic for advertising my newly remodeled rental house.
I need a better renter pool than I had, so I decided to place an ad in the local liberal weekly.
I went on line to get a contact number. I was able to place an ad online and buy a print ad.
I did the online thing a few years back with little result, so I went ahead and bought the print ad. I wasted my money.
I got a large response from the online ad, I got a quality tenant within 3 days, all on line.
I called the paper yesterday to cancel the print ad that won't come out until tommorrow.
The world keeps changing.

BTW, the response was all women.

Jack

Jack, that last line explains the better pool of renters! LOL

I've got some small things to do to the rental
Talk to you all tonite.
Later

Jack

For anyone who wants to start calling for Hillary to get out of the race because she doesn't win by . . . enough. . . let me remind you of something.

James Clyburn the other day said the superDs should not take who is in 2nd place in the pledged delegate count and put them into 1st place UNLESS the person who is in 1st place is not..."panning out" [his words]

Let's look at what "not panning out" might mean:

1) Has lost the momentum going into the convention after outspending his opponent by 2-1

2) Has lost CA, OH (key swing state in the Fall), MA, NY, PA

3) Has alienated FL voters (a key state for Democrats in the fall) by continuing to call for their disenfranchisement.

4) Looks stupid walking out on reporters that want him to finally answer tough questions - which will most definitely continue to dog him and be a distraction for the November election

5) Has been caught in a lie over talks with Canada regarding NAFTA which will also be a distraction and used against him in a November election.

and the list...I'm sure...can and will go on before August.

I would say...that would all go towards "not panning out".

:-D

Fight on to Victory!
FIGHT ON!

good morning everyone

i have a thought about why HRC should take this to the convention
the dem party needs to wake up and change their system.....this system is set up for a disaster as this campaign has turned out to be.......proportional delagates and caucus's make it almost impossible for a candidate to reach 2025 delagates if the dem party is split on the 2 candidates as they are .and having open primaries where outsiders have a say in the parties selections is also stupid...by going to the convention maybe they will learn that this crazy system should be changed ...for example if they were winner take all like the repubs have hillary would have a 400 delagate lead after super tuesday.......her electoral vote lead would be way up also.....taking one stae like wisconsin where the dem vote was 50 to 49 in favor of obama ..because of GOP and independents it ended up obama by 17.......outsiders made it a big win for obama......this is not a way to pick a candidate....the dem party has to wake up and change the system

This is kind of funny:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lesley-m-m-blume/camelot-20_b_89759.html

"Another day, another Obama-as-JFK article...And of course there were those endorsements from the remnants of the Kennedy clan, which scattered the dusty glitter of yesteryear on Illinois' golden boy..."

If you can't stand the heat type of situation. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/03/04/2008-03-04_angry_barack_obama_bombarded_by_media.html

Back again for a quickie post before AI have to get back to work. People are so worried about Hillary's continuing to fight for the nomination and how it will "break the Democratic Party" should consider that, according to the most recent Pew survey, Hillary has a big lead among Democrats. Barack's lead has mostly come from Independents and GOPs who are voting in DEM primaries and caucuses. The people who are voting for Barack do not consider themselves DEMs so the have no interest in the current or future health of the DEM party. They may even be working against the health of the party -- given that cross-over voting seems to be part of the new Rove/GOP strategy to turn this country into a one-party nation. What's that about two of Bush's biggest donors are pumping money into the Obama campaign? Gordon -- I think it was in that excellent article you posted the other day -- "Bamboozled."

No worries kids -- the DEM party is alive and well -- and we're voting with Hillary.

Once again - The Candian Embassy says:

"In the recent report produced by the Consulate General in Chicago, there was no intention to convey, in any way, that Senator Obama and his campaign team were taking a different position in public from views expressed in private, including about NAFTA. We deeply regret any inference that may have been drawn to that effect."

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/03/canadian-offici.html?csp=34

Regretfully, Clinton supporters keep making wild inferences about this story - because they are "fighters" - remember who and what you are fighting against. A man and a movement that want the same policies as you!!

But SOME of you have the attitude that if it is not Hillary who gets credit for ushering in change - then we would rather have McCain and seen our country go to hell in a handbasket...

You know, all this stuff about the damage it does to the general election hopes of the dem party is hooey. John McCain is now the target for Clinton, Obama, the DNC, dem 527s and every other dem leaning organization out there. While HIllary and Barack wage war with each other, they will also be throwing brickbats at McCain. The others should be doing the same instead of wringing their hands about the two dem candidates.

hmmmm...an indication of....buyers remorse?

"Two-thirds of Democrats say a victory in either Ohio or Texas would be reason enough for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) to keep her historic bid for the party's presidential nomination alive..."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/03/04/ST2008030400004.html

Might be too early for this but . . . quote of the day?:

"When Obama declared the press conference over, one reporter yelled that he was dodging questions just minutes after claiming he wasn't."

From article Fry linked.

wendy
have you noticed obama;s press conference has not been mentioned on MSM

Wendy, Carol, Linda, Jason, & fellow Hillary supporters,

Your enthusiasm is infectuous. Small indications that she may be turning momentum towards her are encouraging, but she needs those wins in her column.

Interesting wapo/abc poll stating that 2/3 of democrats say she should stay in the race if she wins either ohio or texas, contrary to the drumbeat from the Obama supporters that she needs to leave now regardless.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/03/04/ST2008030400004.html?hpid=artslot

Do you think that the SNL skits exposing the media bias against her may have contributed to the slight turn in her favor that recent polls seem to be picking up?

Is it coincidence that the media has started to question Obama or might they have been shamed into actually doing their job because of the SNL skits?

Wendy:

"1) Has lost the momentum going into the convention after outspending his opponent by 2-1"

-Lost momentum by pulling even in states that (i) were made for Hillary in terms of demographics, and (ii) where she had 15-20 point leads a month ago. What is your definition of momentum?

"2) Has lost CA, OH (key swing state in the Fall), MA, NY, PA"

-Obama's support has grown since Super Tuesday. Can we also stop talking about NY - it was a gimme for Hillary and it will never go red. If she wins OH and PA - it will be by only a few points. And don't forget the 15-20 states where Obama beat Hillary by 15-30 points (oh - I forgot - in the Clinton camp - those states don't matter - talk about disenfranchisement).

"3) Has alienated FL voters (a key state for Democrats in the fall) by continuing to call for their disenfranchisement."

The Clinton camp has done this by making arguments all over town that by seeking to follow the rule as the candidates agreed to - Obama is disenfranchising voters. Another tactic that is good for the Clintons and bad for the Dems. Why do you think the GOP Gov. has taken her side.

"4) Looks stupid walking out on reporters that want him to finally answer tough questions - which will most definitely continue to dog him and be a distraction for the November election"

-Clinton has created distractions that prevent Obama from talking about his message. Good for her - since that is the only way she can win. She tried out the "experience" and "ready on day one" arguments - and she lost all over the country. Now it is time to destroy and distract. Have fun with that...

"5) Has been caught in a lie over talks with Canada regarding NAFTA which will also be a distraction and used against him in a November election."

-See my above post.

Warren...we all read the Canadian govts back pedaling out of the story after saying the meeting never took place.

We all also saw O' walk out of a press conference when reporters pressed him on the issue

We all also read the memo obtained by the AP that clearly indicated Goolsbee said some things he probably shouldn't have.

We all saw Obama lie.

thanks for the link to something we've all read. It's still fishy and O' won't come clean.

I'm sure the O' supporters would be writing it off as a big misunderstanding if it had been Hillary's top economic adviser named in the memo.

Hope O's sump pump is in good working order.

:-D

FactCheck on the Obama-Canada connection.

"On this one, you’ll have to be the judge."

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/the_facts_about_nafta-gate.html

Coreen:

I think it's a number of things...I think SNL has helped - and her showing up there helped show a lighter side to her - that she can laugh at herself.

I also think that O's problems with Canada the last few days have people digging deeper. So while they're digging they've decided to go ahead and dig a little more on Rezko. The reporters that have been following the Rezko story since the beginning and have been trying to get O' to sit down are now starting to speak out and get more attention - so other reporters - besides them - are joining in the chorus of answer questions.

I actually also think that those male Democrats coming out on the talk shows this weekend did them no favors with Women...we'll have to see how the exit polls break down tonight to see how much of an effect.

"should not take who is in 2nd place"

Wendy... careful your modesty's beginning to show.

warren, you're an attorney. What are you gonna believe - the fact that Obama denied the meeting occurred initially, then denied that they discussed Nafta, then denied that Goolsbee said that Obama's posturing was more politics than policy, which is what the memo said, or accept at face value Obama's denial and the Consulate's post hoc explanation that diverge from what the memo said about the meeting? This whole thing sounds like Emily Litella's rants just before she said "Never Mind." At best, Obama comes out of this spinning like a dervish, which is what his campaign is supposed to be a departure from unless I misread his campaign message.

On a different note, kiss any reasonable expectation of privacy goodbye.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/03/democrats/index.html

Ah Rezdog - no the realist in me.

I fully expect Hillary to be very very close in pledged delegates by the convention but to not completely over take him...although it is not mathematically impossible...it is also probably not realistic.

I do suspect that her superD support will put her ahead of him and then it is a matter of getting the other superDs to go along.

What if they are within 20 or so pledged delegates and Obama is not "panning out" and Hillary's superD support is standing firm with her? She won't have the magic number so the other superDs are going to have make a deal to put her over the top.

O' should just get ready to accept the VP slot and start getting his O' and O' 2016 stickers ready.

Texas has always tried to find ways to disenfranchise voters since the Repubs took over. Me, my husband and my 87 year old Mom who uses a walker are going to the caucus after having all voted early (my mom by mail). It will be our first time at a caucus, we are independents. We never knew there were caucuses in Texas until this primary. Mom said if she can vote for Hillary twice legally, she wants to do it. Now that everyone knows about the Texas two-step, they will probably change it. Same as the income tax, when the middle-class starts taking the loopholes, they close them.
BTW, I could never vote for Obama. He burned that bridge when he trashed the Baby Boomers.
Caucuses For Hillary!!! What a shock that would be. Wish us luck

Is America Ready for a Woman President? - YXY News

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdgblV7JzSY

Wigs - I'm off to work but wanted to wish you and your family luck at the caucuses today.

Go WIGS and WIGS' mom-in-law!

Go HILLARY!

sorry Wigs - I mean GO WIGS' MOM!

misread the my husband...you know...

Hillary doesn't have a damn bit of experience. I wish someone would challenge her on that.

Posted by: alpha1906 | March 4, 2008 6:08 AM

She has more than Barack... sorry, but in the national realm she does. Someone should challenge him on "yes we can" and on his almost Sermon on the Mount preaching.

Wendy

Agree that it has been a combination of forces coming together to have finally forced the media to do their job,
but I believe that the SNL skit was the much needed catalyst to shake the media from its fawning over o.

That Obama male supporters, Kerry, Durbin (Richardson although he did not have the courage to
say he is an o supporter) implied that she needs to leave did not help those of us who know there is gender bias at work here.

Anyone hear the McCain camp, when they invited Obama to step out of the past ?

It was really effective.

Thanks for the Factcheck link, Fry. Note, the denial came from the Canadian embassy in Washington, not from the Canadian Consulate in Chicago. I know what my take is - Obama got caught in a false denial, tried to shade it and got blindsided by the memo and came up with an unconvincing explanation at variance with the memo. Best case for him - it was technically accurate that the initial CTV report of someone from the Obama camp called someone at the embassy to discuss Nafta was wrong . That's pretty poor parsing (consulate v. embassy, Chicago Consulate v. Ottowa Embassy, Goolsby v. staff member, telephoned v. met with, Wilson v. Rioux) for the Obama camp IMHO since Goolsby certainly knew of his meeting with Rioux and didn't apparently do anything to let the campaign know about it and get out front of this and spin the meeting before the memo became public.

Wigs said this, "Texas has always tried to find ways to disenfranchise voters since the Repubs took over."

When I was a kid, Tx had a "Poll Tax" that was designed to keep the poor (read Blacks) from voting. I don't remember exactly when that was changed but it might have been when in the mid 50's or 60's.

(according to Wikipedia) The 24th Amendment, ratified in 1964, outlawed the use of this tax (or any other tax) as a pre-condition in voting in Federal elections.

I am back,

yo soy Horsedooty!

I'd rather see our country destroyed than see more of the same old politics from an establishment candidate. Once were destroyed maybe we can finally try to rebuild an America that is far better than what we once were.

Posted by: anon-paranoid | March 4, 2008 7:01 AM

You know, I don't mean to be insulting, but this comment sounds almost like James Watt's reasoning for destroying our natural resources. His view was the sooner we were destroyed, the quicker the rapture would come.

Cheerio.

ET

This isn't about the election , but it will have far more lasting effects. LOL!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080304/ap_on_en_tv/idol_stripper;_ylt=AkEQ77ghJtrMuNmYcOyQJvms0NUE

Posted by: Corey Abdul Jabbar | March 4, 2008 7:18 AM

Corey that is so hot!

ET, AP has been known to make rather extreme statements that many here did not agree with. I'd say this is one.

Divalicias

"Barack's lead has mostly come from Independents and GOPs who are voting in DEM primaries and caucuses. The people who are voting for Barack do not consider themselves DEMs so the have no interest in the current or future health of the DEM party."

I switched parties from Democrat to Independent because the Democratic Party left me. I didn't leave the Democratic Party, repeat they left me.

I vote Democrat 99% of the time. So according to you Independents need not vote for any Democrat because they don't care about the future of the Democratic Party.

So according to you no Independents need to vote for a Democrat in the General Election since the Democrats don't need no stinking Independents to win an election.

God Bless.

Look at you Clintonites! You haven't won a primary in so long that you're almost giddy. Well, you'll probably get some wins today. Just not enough delegates. So watch the battle, but don't get confused about who is going to win the war.

Obama 08!

“I have yet to hear him (Obama) discuss what he will do for Black people in particular since he has so many gripes with our community. I feel as though he is talking in code to white and other voters when he criticizes the Black community like this in the most stereotypical ways. I have yet to hear him acknowledge some of the REAL problems in our community and what he will do and trust me it ain't popeyes chicken.

He has pissed me off and I am not the only person pissed off because of this. He stepped over the line.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4840252

alpha, after your nonsensical post at 6:08, I doubt that yoru predictions of the future are any more reliavble thatn your assessment of the past and present.

@ Coreeen:

Things happen when they NEED to happen. I believe in a higher power that turns things at the right moment.

Look, watch and assess.
See how Hillary is finally just herself. Just being herself.
See also how Barrack is being himself now adays..

This is it folks. This is it!

You be the judge....

Am going home now, the anxiety is too much.
She needs TX, at least the popular vote!
for the rest I am content.

If she won all big states that makes a statement to those bullies sitting in the top. That shows that she is a champion.

Go Hill..

This black man again slautes u.

Last night I watched Eva Longoria. Darn it...that Tony Parker. darn it

p.s.: If she wins Ohio, what can be said about the influence of the Kennedy clan???? (Massachusetts, California and Ohio)

Pogo:

I am an attorney and I know a sideshow/distraction when I see one. It sure as hell isn't news to me that a candidate is going to go to extremes on the campaign trail and then back-pedal when they get into office.

This is how people have been getting elected since the days of Washington.

And for your information - the new types of politics that Obama speaks of does not fall to pieces because of this story. The new type of politics is more about not destroying your political opponent or their ideas. Like when Obama points out the agreements he and Clinton have at debates - and when he chooses not to trash Clintons ideas even though he agrees with simply to score political points.

Yes - you should draw contrasts where you disagree - but you should also not be afraid to point out places where you agree - because this is how you actually move things forward.

"He burned that bridge when he trashed the Baby Boomers."

That's about the time I got jacked up, too, Wigs.

And Euro -- ROFL on the James Watt post!!!!

good morning gang....
thanks for the laughs with all the name changes last night..... haven't laughed that hard with this blog in a while.....

Wendy..... YOU are one fighter, girl..... you go!...
and Patsi.... your posts have been great lately..... you go too!

No Country For Old Men was a stunner of a movie....
great acting..... very violent.... and hurray for no hollywood ending....
it helps to understand the movie if you're familiar with Cormac McCarthey's work.....

no hot tubbin' today..... gonna watch the election returns....

"I switched parties from Democrat to Independent because the Democratic Party left me. I didn't leave the Democratic Party, repeat they left me."

Zell! Is that you or Joe Lieberman?

Look at you Obamanites... You haven't been challenged on anything is so long that you have assumed the nomination is assured. Well, you'll probably get a win or two today. Just not enough delegates. So watch the battle, but don't get confused about who is going to win the war.

Hillary Clinton 2008

Just changing a few words to show the absurdity of this statement.

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Look at you Clintonites! You haven't won a primary in so long that you're almost giddy. Well, you'll probably get some wins today. Just not enough delegates. So watch the battle, but don't get confused about who is going to win the war.

Obama 08!

Posted by: alpha1906 | March 4, 2008 11:22 AM

Alf -- I'm not making any predictions about today or any other primary. And you may be right to say that Obama will be the candidate. But it will NOT be because a bunch of men like Hart and Kerry bullied her out of the race "for the sake of the party." Screw that. She has every right to be there.

Renee, hope the prunin' continues apace.

alpha, you are in the minority re: Hillary's experience.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/104752/Public-Divided-Whether-Obama-Has-Necessary-Experience.aspx

And the rest of you who think Hillary should get out - you're out of touch with Democratic voters. Too much Obamamania.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/1062a1TheDemocraticRace.pdf

And now I must go relieve Mrs. Pogo, who is caring for our sick Prince.

"When I was a kid, Tx had a "Poll Tax" that was designed to keep the poor (read Blacks) from voting."

Doots ---- Then they just elected Tom Delay to handle things....huh? Jeez, he makes my blood boil every time I see him on television....

doom and gloom...

I did not hear what the McCain camp said to Obama....

but if it's about the fact that Obama can only talk about 2002 when discussing the Iraq war.... I'll have to agree with McCain....

all that "candidate of the future" stuff is laughable when Obama talks about the war, IMO....

Renee, maybe you could move a tv to a window and watch the results from the tub. Just thinkin'.

ET, we call that "correcting your typos" here.

Imagine Hillary ends up being the canidate of choice for the general....

Where does that leave the Kerrys and Harts, and all the others, that are currently trying to push her out?

On the "sh*t out of luck" list, I'd say

Back to work peeps. And fight on - but just don't forget who the real enemy is.

I was walking to work today and had the following thought.

You can of course rely on any reason to vote. There are plenty of reasons - personal, professional, patriotic, etc.

But the stupidest reason - would no doubt be: I don't know too much about Obama - but I am going to vote for McCain because some anonymous jackass on the internet - who supports Obama - offended me.

But again - people can vote for any reason - so keep this in mind Obamaians...

oh yes Pogo, thank you. I was a secretary once for the Dean of Library Services at The Evergreen State College. Typo correcting went with the territory. :-) I haven't been lambasted here yet today. Waiting til the sparks start to fly.

Tom Brokaw announced this morning on MoJo that there were 50 SDs waiting in the wings to endorse BO.
Hope after the results are in tonight they will continue waiting in the wings!

Pogo...
need a break from the chlorine today....

there's been a record amount of snow up here.... the piles are incredible!.... it's like walking and driving around in a maze....

we were told that the ski areas have saved a mini fortune from not having to make much snow this year....

we are expecting a huge ice storm tomorrow, so Rick will take the day off from skiing and we both will enjoy the hot tub then....

Larry Norman, Singer of Christian Rock Music, Dies at 60 ---

I remember him from my teenage born-again days...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/04/arts/music/04norman.html?_r=1&ref=obituaries&oref=slogin

Doots ---- Then they just elected Tom Delay to handle things....huh? Jeez, he makes my blood boil every time I see him on television....

Posted by: Patsi | March 4, 2008 11:42 AM

Patsi, Tom, the bug killer, DeLay was elected by people on the gulf coast not us up in the North Texas area. He is a devious bastard. Gerimandering is his specialty.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Whiskyjack,

A piece in today’s Columbus Dispatch by Jonathan Alter, who I feel is fair and moderate, addressing just the topic you brought up at 9:33am:

"I very much expect Obama to work with Republicans " I think that statement brings up the real question of an Obama presidency.”

One paragraph from the piece:
“For instance, archconservative Sen. Tom Coburn routinely puts a hold on dozens of bills (yes, a single senator can obstruct the whole process). He put one on a bill cosponsored by Obama and GOP Sen. Richard Lugar to clean up conventional weapons scattered across the former Soviet Union. According to Lugar's office, it was only Obama's unlikely friendship with Coburn that persuaded the Oklahoman to lift his hold. The two senators from opposite sides of the spectrum go out to dinner (along with their wives) and clown around in the cloakroom, with Obama teasing Coburn that he can muss his hair, but Coburn can't muss back. Deploying this kind of charm might seem trivial, but it's an important reason FDR and Reagan got so much through.”

http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/editorials/stories/2008/03/04/alt04.ART_ART_03-04-08_A13_LJ9HDI5.html?sid=101

Hey ET

Capt. Sarah said to say hello!

Don't blame me I voted for Obama!

oh I meant to add Patsi, my fellow neighbors voted in Kay Bailey Hutchinson whose main qualification was as a high school and college cheerleader. Fortunately we will not have to deal with her in Washington after her term is up. She is quitting to run for Gov of Texas.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Euro Tom said, "Larry Norman, Singer of Christian Rock Music, Dies at 60 ---

I remember him from my teenage born-again days..."

so the born-again thing didn't take I guess?

yo soy Horsedooty!

BTW, the weather throughout most of Ohio is lousy today.

http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/03/04/CAMP04.ART_ART_03-04-08_A1_A79HDUK.html?adsec=politics&sid=101

so the born-again thing didn't take I guess?

Posted by: Horsedooty! | March 4, 2008 12:10 PM

You are correct.. I will sometime tell the story of my "faith healing"... I actually have a lot of resentment towards fundamentalism and "christianity". Talking "love" but preaching "hate". Yet I culturally feel a kinship to christianity, specifically Lutheranism.

Delusional voter, which Sarah? I know quite a few :-) Is Capt. Sarah someone I may have worked with? :-)

I am off to watch some show called LOST and then an episode of HEROES. Personally, I prefer THAT GIRL, but gotta give in sometimes! ;-)

Later...

latest Zogby Poll - says Hillary is leading in Tx and a tie in Ohio

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1461

"Value of neutrality
Reed and Casey are among 23 senators – almost half the caucus – who have not endorsed either of their Senate colleagues for president. And they, like all the other Senate Democrats, are also highly valued superdelegates."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23464823/

Patsi...

"I switched parties from Democrat to Independent because the Democratic Party left me. I didn't leave the Democratic Party, repeat they left me."

"Zell! Is that you or Joe Lieberman?"

Go ahead Patsi and call me names. I wondered how long it would take to personally attack me for my views. It seems that you like the Politics of Personal Destruction.

God Bless.

Barack Obama said on television yesterday that he has done well in big states.

He cited Illinois, his home state..

Then he cited Washington. He said more than once that Washington is a big state. Yes, geographically it is a big state, but not population wise.

It is also interesting that while O beat Hillary handily in the Washington causuces, when real people voted two weeks later he won a slim 50-47 margin..

Wendy,

While I appreciate your predictions, what does it say about the candidate when she may win with percentages 60% less than where they were less than 4 weeks ago?

10% in RI is embarrassing for her considering the Clintons have campaigned there since the mid 1990's. WJC took 47% in 1992 and then 59.7% in 1996. The only state he pulled a higher percentage in 1996 was Mass. where he got 61.1% of the vote. Those percentages were in 3 way races. Everyone in the state hierarchy is a Clinton supporter except Patrick Kennedy, who doesn't have a ton of sway and the AG. The state is set up for her to win big is she didn't screw up with her choice of a state campaign chair.

If you are trying to appeal to union voters, you don't pick as your chairman, the mayor of Providence, who has refused to negotiate with the Firefighters for the last 6 years.

I am including a link to the demographics of the state and that overwhelmingly lines up in her favor.

She needs to win RI by 20% for it to really mean something.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/20/rhode-island-primary-facts-and-figures.html

"Where does that leave the Kerrys and Harts"

Praying that the Clintons believe in "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer", otherwise they won't see a favorable decision or appointment for the next eight years.

Obama spin...A Hillary win is not a win unless she wins by more than 20points..

Looks like some of the choir are getting a bit nervous.

Keep fighting Hillary...We are with you all the way through the convention!

"some anonymous jackass on the internet - who supports Obama - offended me."

Warren! We don't think you're a jackass! Misguided maybe....:)

Oregon

"O beat Hillary handily in the Washington causuces,". I don't know if you saw any of the reports from the folks here in WA. Obama did run a good ground game for the caucus that the Clinton folks were just not prepared to match. It is a grossly unfair system that freezes out everyone not physically able to get to the caucus site. The primary didn't count so a lot of Democrats simply didn't vote. I firmly believe that if the Democrats had gone half and half as the Republicans did, Senator Clinton would have won the state. BTW, the caucus isn't final yet as there are still two more layers for delegates to attend.

OD:

"It is also interesting that while O beat Hillary handily in the Washington causuces, when real people voted two weeks later he won a slim 50-47 margin."

Isn't this type of margin the best HRC can hope for in TX and OH. According to your math - she might have to drop out even if she wins TX and OH - albeit by small margins that apparently mean it is not a win.

Bear,

It means she has taken one whale of a hammering from both press and opposition and is not only still standing but coming back. Let's see if Obama does half as well when his poll numbers start dropping like rocks from here on out.

" If more Americans would do everything possible to buy American products we could at least help to preserve the remaining manufacturing jobs and send a signal that we want to support more jobs for our own citizens rather than for the citizens of China. Do others who visit this site try to buy only American made products? "

Kate -- I too try to buy as much American as possible....damn it's getting harder by the day!

What's up with this Boeing/Airbus dustup? Anyone know the real story?

Patsi:

I am much more of a jackass than I am misguided. I have been taking it easy on you Clintonites - except of course for EuroTom - but he asks for it...

Doots -- Most of my Texas friends are from Houston. They all say, "Don't blame us! It's those a-holes in Suger Land!"

Oregon,

I am not nervous for Obama...I am nervous for her. I know that electorate and it's not a good sign for her campaign if she pulls less than that number...

It means she bled support from a once solid area and not living there, I can't identify what it is....

If you have the entire state party machine at your disposal and if you have built up 15 years worth of relationships in a state. If the same state was the second highest percentage of vote for your husbands reelection campaign and he is still worshiped there and you don't even come close to matching his vote percentage, then I am concerned for her.

Sorry to go Texan here, but Y'all are missing the point. The same arguments can be made by both sides with regards to vote totals and expectations.

The way everyone is acting, we have a circular firing squad going and the only people benefiting are the NRA because they are selling some guns and ammo and McCain, because he looks more viable by the day since his opponents are acting like children.

" Obama teasing Coburn that he can muss his hair, but Coburn can't muss back"

That sounds like code to me! Outrageous! (just kidding...)

""Zell! Is that you or Joe Lieberman?"

Anon -- do you hate these two? Is the fact that they said the same thing about the party a personal attack?

Now go find out about Prescott Bush wanting to poison 50 million people!

Patsi,

The Boeing/ Airbus dustup is over a contract, Northrup/ EADS, the parent of Airbus just one for the next generation of mid air refueling tankers.

Even though Boeing had a plane that could produce for $35 Million per unit less, the Air Force picked the Airbus plane because it was much bigger than the Boeing offering.

This is apparently the contract that was rebid after it was learned that a couple of years ago it was previously awarded to Boeing under questionable circumstances.

A lot of people are upset that a foreign company would win a contract for US military items, but a couple of years ago the contract for Marine One was won by a Euro company. If memory serves me, I believe that Airbus has committed to manufacture parts of the plane in Alabama...

Obaak would make a horrible Veep. That's only one step away from an office he is to inept to hold. Hil'ry has practically endorsed McCain over Boramalama-ding-dong.

BO is just soooo George W Bush.

Linda - And yes, from the coverage I saw before and after the last debate, KO has a severe case of Obama fever. Quite hateful to HRC and seems to be incapable of hiding it. Saint KO is another one who has said he doesn't vote because he's a journalist and doesn't want to show bias. Baloney. His vote is nothing compared to having a show. However, his show only plays to the Dems (but even I grew tired of it), so he is setting up a Rep win in November by undermining Clinton. I know that I won't be voting Dem in the fall if BO is at the top of the ticket.

-sorbet-

I do believe I heard that Craig Ferguson will be doing the WH dinner this year.

"I am much more of a jackass than I am misguided."

ROFL, Warren...

You miss the point Warren..
I'm not saying Obama did not win Washington.
His allusion to the state as a "big" state like New York and Callifornia is the point..A win is a win is a win.

From postings on this site, you would think Obama is slaughtering Hillary..simply false.

I do prefer real elections to caucuses. I also prefer Democrats selecting the Democratic candidate, not independents and Republicans.
In my state only Democrats vote in the Democratic primary and only Republicans vote in the GOP. That is the way it should be.

If BHO was in the Illinois Senate in 2002, then he could not of voted on the war, right? But if I heard him right for the last few months, he voted against the war. How can that be? Yes he voiced his opinion he was not for the war back then.

Allowing an opposing party to have any say (vote) at all as to who your nominee will be is crazy-stupid, it's no wonder Republicans think they are smarter.

It's called lying.

is it my imagination or have the last 10 cauci been in mostly red states that have little or no hope of going blue in November?

is there even a snowball's chance in hell that Texas could go dem in November?

before everyone demands that HRC quit, it might be an idea to look ahead to who can win what in November... and i think it's time for the party (and i guess i mean both candidates) to start talking about supporting Dems no matter who wins the nomination.. it's so important...

By vadaryl @ 1:13 pm

"If BHO was in the Illinois Senate in 2002, then he could not of voted on the war, right? But if I heard him right for the last few months, he voted against the war. How can that be? Yes he voiced his opinion he was not for the war back then."

Get it correct if you are going to comment. Obama never said he voted against the war. He made speeches about not being in favor of the war. Some of that can be read at the link as well as other links, if you are so inclined to search for correct information. Disclaimer: Taylor Marsh probably not a good site.

"I don’t oppose all wars.

And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism.

What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perles and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Roves to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone thru the worst month since the Great Depression.

That’s what Im opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics."

http://www.lessig.org/blog/2008/01/barack_obamas_2002_speech.html

It was interesting watching Senator Kerry trying to dance around Obama's 2004 comment at the national convention that he didn't know how he would have voted on the Iraq authorization in 2002.

Kerry is so pompous. I worked hard for him in 2004. I always support the party nominee. I'm tired of having to end up supporting weak, self-important candidates like Kerry who won't fight to win.

"Allowing an opposing party to have any say (vote) at all as to who your nominee will be is crazy-stupid, it's no wonder Republicans think they are smarter."

True, just ask the FL Republican controlled legislature. They're calling all the shots about our primary/delegate selection process down there. They're even suggesting that if the dems don't behave, the GE ballot will have only McCains name on it. MI sound familiar.

Karolenna,

That was a wonderful speech in 2002 when he was running for an office from a very liberal are of Illinois. He would have been crazy not to hold that position. Now when he had to run state wide, that speech diappeared and he started putting fuzzy edges on his position saying he wasn't sure how he would have voted if he had been in the Senate. Since arriving in the U.S. Senate he has voted exactly like the other Senators on funding the war.

Apparently, his superior "wisdom" doesn't include doing anything that might lose him votes.

Lordy, Call Animal Control, Kiki Mclean loose from the sty.

My goodness..some people(and you know who you are)seem to be extremely hostile today...yikes!!

Hillary has been ringing my phone off the hook this morning and afternoon.
I still can't decide...but I have to vote sometime so here I go!
I'm off the the Nazarene church to vote!

He never said he did not vote against the war. I must have wax in my ears. Diod anybody else hear him say he voted no and HRC voted Yes.

"Since arriving in the U.S. Senate he has voted exactly like the other Senators on funding the war."

One would have to be very brazen or stupid NOT to vote for funding the war since the Rove/Bush/Cheney machine paints you as being anti-troops, which is not the case at all. You know how they spin things to make you sound so unpatriotic if you don’t do everything they want. Soon we will be rid of the current dictatorship.

Those votes were taken after he became U.S. Senator

Oh that Kerry...so brilliant...he's really a voice we should all listen to...

http://susanfaludi.com/commentary/uploaded_images/3A.-John-Kerry-proves-his-Crockett-in-Chief-creds-during-the-2004-reelection.-739205.jpg

Remember when Kerry was running for President...ahhhh [she sighs]....those were the days.

I am going to take a big picture view about today and the race in general...

For the record, I wrote in Craig's name on my provisional ballot this morning.

When it comes time for the general, I will vote for whomever the Democratic nominee is.

I will say the hostility on this and other sites amongst the two camps is very off putting. I think much of is has been caused by the Clinton campaign for the following reasons:

She underestimated Obama's ability going into the race
She overestimated the strength of her campaign going into the primary season.

I don't have a problem with the way she has been running the last month. What I do have a problem with is that she went to the mattresses after she was getting her ass kicked instead of doing so from the get go.

If she had done this last January, so as to cripple everyone early, she could be using this time to heal the wounds. Instead, she is in a spot where she has to create the wounds that will get her on top. She also doesn't realize this but she is creating the narrative that those hoping for change are left with nothing but the hope of change. She put herself into the position that she was too arrogant and too late to have seized as her own from the beginning.

If Obama wins the nomination, I see him being irreparably wounded because Clinton opened the door to the experience and too much of a dreamer question.

If HRC wins the nomination, there will be a faction within the party seething because they will think she ran a Dick Morris campaign to win the nomination. I am sure that some will feel that she stole it. Whatever the case may be, I see a layer of bitterness that will be hard to overcome, regardless of who wins.

That's just a shame.

Craig, at what point will you start work on your next book, "The Messenger Strikes Back?" It won't be hard to argue that a press corp who can look back and see how derelict they were in vetting Bush from 2000-2006 has more than made up for it with their Fox inspired brow beating of the 2 Democratic front runners. I hope you have a chapter about the king makers because it's the media that decided who the front runners should be, not the voters and that is sad. It almost makes me wonder if the media, looking for the best story, would rather create conflict in the process instead of just reporting on it?

"One would have to be very brazen or stupid NOT to vote for funding the war"

That didn't stop Russ Feingold, but then he votes his convictions unless there is a darn good logic to taking a different position and then he tells you what it is.

So why is Lieberman Senator Obama's mentor instead of Senator Feingold?

Wendy: He really was a tall drink of water in that camo. I felt a thrill run up my leg!

On a serious note: Have y'all watched the Texas-Sized Townhall? There is a moment when Mary Steenburgen interviewed two elderly women who early voted for Hillary. It was a tear-jerker (would have been a perfect moment for Hillary to have an "breakdown" but goshdarnit...she disappointed MO's brother and held it together!) I, on the other hand, must have been "feeling down" and shed a few tears.

One thing we can count on in the general election. John McCain will implode at some point. I can't see him keeping his temper in check.

Although he has many fine qualities, the more he talks, the more a creepy feeling seeps in...

Ally,

"feeling down" and shed a few tears."

According to Senator Obama this was one of your "periodic" events.

Jamie: Don't make me mad or my claws will come out!

BTW: Meant to say "a breakdown". Ugh.

Ally,

I found the part with the two older ladies very touching.
Hillary handled a delicate situation with great dignity as usual. Excerpts wouldmake a great commercial. Of course, some of the people who post here would make fun of it.

You sure they weren't planted like the Obama swooners? lol

"Clinton opened the door to the experience and too much of a dreamer question."
--Bear

Well, God forbid anyone should question BHO's experience.

Thank you, Senator Clinton 8)

OD: This townhall was so much better than the one she did on the Hallmark Channel before Super Tuesday I. Those ladies were absolutely darling. and anybody who would make fun of them should just go join the puppy throwers of the world (the meanies.)

Being married to Michelle LaVaughn Robinson Obama, something tells me that BHO has experienced more than his share of "periodic events"... 8D

When you have older people (101 and 91 I believe) speaking live, there is always that apprehension for them. You could see the concern on Hillary's face. The women came through with flying colors. In no way did Hillary exploit the moment.
I like her so much. I don't like the people who denigrate her. Their daily personal attacks on her reveal much about the insufficiency of their own character.

Oh, that wacky MLRO!!

http://www.mikefrancesa.com/wordpress/?p=778

Linda,

There is always a good way and bad way to do it...yes HRC has done more committee work, but when your spinners have to pause and sidestep the question of where her foreign policy experience comes from...you need to be careful of being called the kettle in this case...

The woman who told the story of climbing the mountain was amazing. She could have a future career in politics...she was sharp as a tack.

http://blog.dispatch.com/primary/2008/03/flooding_prompts_brunner_to_ge.shtml

Just so some of you HRC supporters don’t feel disenfranchised!!!

BTW, the flooding counties are mostly hers. We have had so much rain that my back yard is a lake and running off the hill like a waterfall.

Warren, Alpha, et al. Voters will give a pass on lots of things, including puffing their experience. But they won't forgive matters of character. Those obviously include things like what Hart did, but they also include matters of honesty--saying one thing as fact when you know, in essence, that what you're saying is untrue.

I think Mr Obama's cooked his goose on this one, no, make it two--Rezko and the NAFTA thing.

Bear -- I heard part of a show on NPR this morning where the congressman (Dicks) from Washington said the Air Force had done a bait & switch, that at first they wanted the smaller design, then when Airbus brought in their plan, they took it. Also, he said Airbus is subsidized, so not a level playing field. I wish I'd heard the whole show. Looks like I have some reading to do!

Linda: Michelle actually reminds me of one of my very dear friends...she sometimes has a hard time self-editing. My favorite example: an incident referred to in the New Yorker article where MLRO comments on some cookies that had been personalized with the Obama campaign logo by saying something to the effect of "Oh good, more sugar for the kids." Totally something my girlfriend would say. Diplomacy not a trademark.

"If Obama wins the nomination, I see him being irreparably wounded because Clinton opened the door to the experience and too much of a dreamer question."

I disagree.....the Republicans will turn the dogs loose on him with everything including that one, and they always would have. They'd do the same with Hillary. But I'm sure the O-team will blame his demise on Hillary if he loses in the general. They can't stand a woman who won't just "give it up."

Patsi...

"I switched parties from Democrat to Independent because the Democratic Party left me. I didn't leave the Democratic Party, repeat they left me."

"Zell! Is that you or Joe Lieberman?"

Go ahead Patsi and call me names. I wondered how long it would take to personally attack me for my views. It seems that you like the Politics of Personal Destruction.

God Bless.

Posted by: anon-paranoid | March 4, 2008 12:32 PM

Sorry, but I think that was just a joke. I don't know why you take it so personally. Every now and then we all have to laugh at situations and at ourselves. It's healthy man! It's only "politics of personal destruction" if you feel politically destroyed. And only a drama queen would see that equation in this little, bantering exchange.

Patsi,

Let me know what you dig up...I would love to know who the congressional players behind the scenes were and which districts were most affected by this.

Flatus, how can the Clinton's play the "character card" when they had the McDougals, Jim Guy Tucker and other friends not only get indicted, but also served jail time because of their relationship with the Clintons?

Am I the only one who thinks that is a bit disingenuous?

Hillary is obviously knowledgeable about foreign policy for a number of reasons including, remember, two for the price of one.

In the debates, is is clear that she has a depth of understanding about these matters that is very impressive. Obama, on the other hand, often sounds like he has been prepped and has about two minutes on any subject. Thus, he will re-phrase and repeat if pressed.

Hillary's depth of support from the military community attests to the respect they have for her and the respect and understanding she has for them. One former chair of the Joint Chiefs recently said while endorsing her that she understands the military culture and knows the issues better than anyone.

She is really smart and as worked hard to be expert on foreign policy issues. This all is no secret..no use denying the obvious.

"Let me know what you dig up...I would love to know who the congressional players behind the scenes were and which districts were most affected by this."

One thing I did hear on the short part of the show I heard was that the area in Alabama where all these jobs will go is Repubican whereas Congressman Dicks is from a Dem area. But I'll try to see what I can find out.

Patsi:

I am much more of a jackass than I am misguided. I have been taking it easy on you Clintonites - except of course for EuroTom - but he asks for it...

Posted by: warren | March 4, 2008 12:51 PM

Warren, I thought you were an adult... I didn't know that lawyers act so childishly... Go after me all you want; I've stood up to people far tougher than you and it never stopped me from directing my own life and achieving my goals. "YES I CAN" !!!

Well it looks like the Obamiacs will be celebrating tonight.
Lets hope that in their exhuberance they do not alienate those whom they consider to be the vanquished.
There is always the option of sitting out the general elections or giving GWB the third term.

Bear....yes I do think that a lot of politicians get involved with shady characters.

Chicago Sun Times: In 1995, Obama began campaigning for a seat in the Illinois Senate. Among his earliest supporters: Rezko. Two Rezko companies donated a total of $2,000. Obama was elected in 1996 -- representing a district that included 11 of Rezko's 30 low-income housing projects.

Being married to Michelle LaVaughn Robinson Obama, something tells me that BHO has experienced more than his share of "periodic events"... 8D

Posted by: LushIsLinda | March 4, 2008 2:40 PM

My God, what is it with that woman? She is nasty! Saying she is for the first time proud of her country? That sure doesn't help her husband's campaign. Her nastiness to Hillary .. and then having to tell the whole damn world that her husband SMELLS BAD in the morning. I also don't see how that helps her husband. I just don't get her!

Can we please refrain from these frequent contests to see who has the biggest penis or penis substitute? I swear to F@#4 god this gets so grating after time.

There are way too many people who are willing to cut off their noses to spite their faces and after they do so, they will complain that someone else did it to them...

This trend is to political discord what taking a crap in the shallow end is to a clean swimming pool.

Susan McDougal is a wonderful person. Everyone should read her book. Her husband, obviously had very serious health issues which diminished his capacity.
Remember, gazillions of dollors spent investigating the Clintons..they came up clearner than a hounds tooth.
Hopefully, for the prince of prose, the Rezko affair will turn out to be just as baseless.
Of course, being cleared by massive investigations never shuts up those who will never let facts iterfere
with their pre-conceived notions.

Congressman Dicks is from the Tacoma region I believe...

Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

"I'm receiving reports that contrary to Texas Democratic party caucus rules that preclude registration forms from being submitted before either 7:15 pm or the last vote at a precinct has been cast, Obama volunteers are handing out the forms at precincts today and asking people to fill them in and then collecting them. For Obama to submit the forms on the voters' behalf without the voter physically being present at the caucus would violate the rules.

Ohio's Secretary of State, an office held by a Democrat, has rebuked Sen. Barack Obama's campaign for trying to staff precincts with poll workers who presented insufficient credentials. Obama's campaign calls this charge "wrong."

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/4/142712/2196

Does anyone have any idea how the primaries are going today? I suppose it is way too early...

Bear said, "Am I the only one who thinks that is a bit disingenuous?"

Of course you're not the only one. But, most Democratic voters say she passed the test. And, for Republicans, the zealots are written off. Moderates are typically pragmatists and will look at her record in isolation of those pieces of ancient history.

Mr Obama needs to hold on tight because the ride is about to get very bumpy.

And, this is the type of situation where super delegates re-enter the picture.

Bear, Patsi
Part of Boeings problems would be this
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE3D81E30F935A25755C0A9629C8B63&scp=4&sq=boeing+refueling+tanker&st=nyt

Also I imagine the fact tha Alabama will get the conversion jobs may have something to do with it.
Then look and see how many Airforce generals have been hired by Northrup- Grumman , Airbus' JV partner.

Jack

it is icy, raining, gray and cold here outside of cleveland. ice covers any car that has been parked outside for the last 4 hours. temp 31 degrees, a nasty day to go vote.

"Mr Obama needs to hold on tight because the ride is about to get very bumpy."

Flatus ,
I assuming you mean that beyond the kitchen sink, Hillabee is about to get real negative??

The history of the deal
Northrup Grumman is the prime contractor not a JV partner
http://www.flugrevue.de/index.php?id=1374

Jack

The only judgment I will make about Susan MacDougal is that if I were to rob a bank, I would want her with me because she keeps her mouth shut.

I'm reading a news link from 2000 and I am surprised to see Michael Chertoff as a name mentioned in the story...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/09/20/national/main234848.shtml

But this is a more fascinating read. As you do read it, remember that we as a country do not torture...the scary thing is that this guy was a Republican...

http://www.constitution.org/ghansen/hansen9-97.html

Mrs. Obama dislikes politics, friends and family confirmed, but not as much as she dislikes losing.

Craig Robinson, her brother and the Brown University men’s basketball coach, said his sister did not enjoy organized sports when she was younger because she so hated defeat and even now pouts when a board game does not go her way.

His sister is brainy and warm, he said, but also a force to be reckoned with.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/18/us/politics/18michelle.html

This is old, but(IMHO)interesting 8)

gordo

Put down the Kool Aid. You need to appear in PERSON to caucus tonight. It starts at 7:15 at the precinct you voted in. Both campaigns are asking supporters to get there a half hour early. You need to confirm who you are and that you did in fact vote in the primary to caucus tonight.

If you filled out a provisional ballot, you cannot caucus.

Jack, in the back of my mind, I suspected that there were deeper issues with Boeing. You think they would have learned after their last bid on this project...

Barack about being present to his family:

"It is important that when I'm home to make sure that I'm present and I still forget stuff. As Michelle likes to say, 'You are a good man, but you are still a man.' I leave my socks around. I'll hang my pants on the door. I leave newspapers laying around. But she lets me know when I'm not acting right. After 14 years, she's trained me reasonably well."

Source: Lynn Norment, Ebony, "The Hottest Couple in America", February 2007, pages 52-54.

ROTFLMAO @ "but you are still a man"

corey: what ya think about this?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-080304-brett-favre-green-bay-packers-retires,0,1404267.story

Hey G man,

This one is right up your alley..it's seems Hillary's crew is into darking photos of Obama to make him appear ????.
Reminds me a little about the OJ photo scam.

I guess you're right Flatus.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/04/questions-raised-whether-hillary-ad-darkened-obama/

Rezdog,
You need to listen to the media, The Clinton campaign has completely denied doing that. Need to get the facts straight.

Carol,

I read the daily Kos daily. Sorry you have a problem with that!

"You need to listen to the media". You mean the one that everyone is dissing.. lol

Rezdog said, "...I assuming you mean that beyond the kitchen sink, Hillabee is about to get real negative??"

No, not really, I'm saying that the press will start asking them the questions they should have been asking as he was entering the campaign. And, as new situations emerge, such as the NAFTA one, they should probe until they understand what really transpired.

FWIW, I haven't seen any indication that the NAFTA thing was started by Mrs Clinton--so far as I can tell, it was by the the Canuck communications outlet, CTV.

Patsi and Bear...

I can promise you that Norm Dicks and Patty Murray (know less about how Maria Cantwell and our various reps will react) willl work hard to get to the bottom of the Boeing v. Airbus sale. Haven't heard dicks' comments, but it's clear that Murray feels betrayed.

very troubling innuendo from the British Clintonistas

Why would they try to interfere in a US election. Are they still mad about 1776?

The Obama campaign has thus far faced up to the Rezko case, without actually saying why, apart from friendship, their candidate felt it acceptable to take such a one-sided favour, if not for a return gift of influence.

In the end, this will not be the mud that sticks to Obama.

Neither will the attempts to turn him into an Islamic terrorist, by accentuating his middle name, Hussein, or leaking photos of him in Arab dress.

You can rest assured that the Drudge report and the right-wing talk radio shows are digging furiously, trying to find a cocktail waitress or legal assistant or congressional aid whose shoulder felt the pat of Barack Obama's hand in an "inappropriate" fashion.

And when they do, the tabloids already have the headline ready.

Mired in sexual innuendo, Mr Obama could be stigmatised in Middle America for ever, portrayed as both immoral and a terrorist with just three well-chosen words: Obama Sin Laden.

Michael Carlson is an American writer and broadcaster who has worked in Britain for the past 30 years.

"Then look and see how many Airforce generals have been hired by Northrup- Grumman , Airbus' JV partner."

Aha! Now I'll go read those articles!

I just finished watching Hillary's town hall - didn't get to see it last night because I was in class.

She was great...of course!

How come Obama never does anything like that? It would be nice to see him do one of those televised Town Hall meetings where he answered questions...and like Hillary did...keep it going with the audience afterwards - willing to stay and answer all the audience questions even after the program was over?

Does anyone know why he hasn't done a televised Town Hall like that?

Anyone have a link to something I might have missed?

Just wondering.

ET...

Norm Dicks lives in Belfair.

Rezdog wrote: "I read the daily Kos daily"

You mean the daily shill for Obama Rez? Yep...that's objective.

Thoughts about the military.

One of the first things Rumsfeld did when he took over is instruct each of the military services to refer all major generals being considered for promotion to him for a personal vetting interview. In other words, they had to pass a political litmus test.

Promotion from major general to lieutenant general is the point where general officers really join the club. All the rest of the brigadier generals and major generals are candidates; few make it.

The differences between a lieutenant general and a 'full' general are not nearly so significant as those between major generals and lieutenant generals.

Okay, so where does this leave us? With some exceptions, it leaves us with the key group of uniformed military leaders in lockstep with the enduring Repug political agenda.

There are obviously some brave souls like Major General Eaton, a division commander in Iraq, who removed himself from consideration choosing to retire and become an activist for a sane military policy as it pertains to Iraq and Afghanistan.

There used to be a time when 'private' soldiers voted for their officers. Sometimes they chose the peacocks, but most of the time they chose superior leaders. Likewise, the military community must have the most significant input in choosing its most senior generals. Their decisions are of course subject to ratification by an administration and the congress.

Looking at the retired flag officers who have allied themselves with Clinton, most predate the Rumsfeldian Initiative.

And, for Sheila, change all references to General to Admiral, Lieutenant General, to Vice Admiral, ad infinitum.

ET...

Norm Dicks lives in Belfair.

When asked about the first thing she'd do as President...she mentioned several things that would be on her list...but the best one.

"I'd take the Constitution out of cold storage and start to warm it up!"

LOL

I think that's something everyone here can appreciate.

I am about to hit the hay as they say... but I'd like to know if there are any indicators yet on who's coming out ahead? Are there exit polling projections? Anyone? :)

Wendy

Not sure what if you are talking about the infomercial that Hillary did, but if you mean an event open to the public where the candidate takes questions, I went to one Obama did, and watched one on c-span yesterday.

I could not do a direct link, but go to www.cspan.org and scroll down to recent programs and you'll see a video link to yesterday's event.

...and I repeat...Norm Dicks lives in Belfair....

Sorry, folks...my computer is behaving very strangely at the moment.

When asked about the first thing she'd do as President...she mentioned several things that would be on her list...but the best one.

"I'd take the Constitution out of cold storage and start to warm it up!"

LOL

I think that's something everyone here can appreciate.

Posted by: Wendy FIGHT ON! | March 4, 2008 4:32 PM

SO TOTALLY TRUE WENDY!

So if people were to guess, do you folks think that this will work out to be a tag-team of Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton... the order doesn't matter for the question at hand...

"You can rest assured that the Drudge report and the right-wing talk radio shows are digging furiously, trying to find a cocktail waitress or legal assistant or congressional aid whose shoulder felt the pat of Barack Obama's hand in an "inappropriate" fashion.

And when they do, the tabloids already have the headline ready. "

With my guy Harold Ford they didn't even bother to find a picture. They just made shit up. "Harold, call me."

I despise Bob Corker.

Just for the sake of allowing you to test the computer again harbor reid woman... WHERE IS BELAIR? :-)

Harold Ford was/IS eye candy

“Angry Obama” Hit by Ohio Mailer

"There is the “the Famous Rule of the 2008 Election - W.O.R.M. (What Obama Really Meant),” used by the media and Obama’s supplicants to explain away every hitch. However, there’s evidence the “W.O.R.M.” is turning across the national media.

Reporters from the Associated Press and Reuters went after him for his false denial that a campaign aide had held a secret meeting with Canadian officials over Obama’s trade policy. A trio of Chicago reporters pummeled him with questions about the corruption trial this week of a friend and supporter. The New York Post piled on with a question about him losing the Jewish vote.

Obama responded with the classic phrases of a politician in trouble. “That was the information that I had at the time. . . . Those charges are completely unrelated to me. . . . I have said that that was a mistake. . . . The fact pattern remains unchanged.”

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/

Carol, here in the northwest part, Williams County, the sidewalks were slippery as was the parking lot at the polling place. An hour ago, just as many were leaving work, the skies let loose and we are having a full-blown blizzard, it's terribly cold and very windy.
We had zero demonstrators and / or stick-sign supporters nearby, in part attributed to the horrendous weather. I walked right in, signed in with ID, took a paper ballot, scanned it , and took my "I voted today" sticker.
I do know some older folks with balance issues or bad hips or knees couldn't make it across the long parking lot and sidewalk on this ice. It's gotta be keeping older folks away, I would guess.

"There also were reports in Cincinnati of Obama poll watchers being reprimanded after wearing campaign paraphernalia into polling places, a violation of election law..."

tsk tsk tsk

Rezdog wrote: "I read the daily Kos daily"

You mean the daily shill for Obama Rez? Yep...that's objective"
Wendy,

You like to be smartalek, same here!

'Anyone have a link to something I might have missed?"

It's called Google, Wendy, type in the search box: Obama + townhall and you'd be surprised what you find...

just FYI

that memo was leaked to CTV from someone in the Canadian embassy.. not anyone from any campaign... the Conservative Party is having its own problems with scandals and popularity, that memo was leaked to embarrass the canadian govt, not any campaign.

"Ohio's Secretary of State, an office held by a Democrat, has rebuked Sen. Barack Obama's campaign for trying to staff precincts with poll workers who presented insufficient credentials. Obama's campaign calls this charge "wrong."

Yes, and also here in Ohio there have been reports on local news of several situations where entire Democratic families showed up together who are registered Democrats supporting Obama and are being told they are registered Republicans. I would probably be handcuffed and hauled into jail before they would not allow me to vote for whom I wish.

As HRC says, "we know how to work the system". Yes we can!!!

I haven't seen or heard any exit poll talk, ET. The closest is an earlier post by Vivian that indicated that HRC supporters will be sad after tonight...not sure what her 'in' is....

kathy:

Is it the Parma event?

Does he at any point take questions from the audience? I'm watching it and I see he's about to give a speech...but I want to see him answer questions.

If this is the right event and he's going to answer audience questions...then I'll stick it out. If its his stump speech...I won't bother cuz I've heard it.

Let me know.

Thanks.

ET...

I am SHOCKED...SHOCKED, I say...that you don't know where Belfair is! It's about an hour from Evergreen, at the southern tip of Hood Canal.

ET

Not even the beginning of anything until midnight your time.

Thanks... well I guess I am off to bed then ... I'll hope to hear results at 8 am my time...

I haven't heard anything, EuroTom.

I am sure, if I turn on MSNBC, they will be predicting victories(based on exit polls) for BHO, in every state!!

Harbor reid woman, I lived near Lacey for a while and for the 5 years I was there, I never even knew the name of the street at the end of the cul-de-sac... you can imagine how popular I am with travelers seeking road directions... :-) And, it's been 10 years, and well... memory fades.
:-)

I hear that the pristine area around TESC has been developed into a mega- manufactured housing community. Sad if it is true.

Kathy - never mind...I was able to fast forward through the boring part and I'm at the Q & A.

I haven't heard anything, EuroTom.

I am sure, if I turn on MSNBC, they will be predicting victories(based on exit polls) for BHO, in every state!!

oh and I don't know where Hood Canal is either... really I am bad with this sort of stuff. When I moved to Washington State from Minnesota back in 1984, I would get so confused with the weather reports because they kept showing "oregon"... well somehow I had it in my head that there was California, above it was Washington, and then Oregon above before we went into Canada... I am a total dork with trying to read maps... they seem to go in a different direction that what I am going, some sort of "mirror effect". I finally have a navigator for my car, which works great except when I was in the middle of Paris and couldn't get it to work... and driving in paris? NIGHTMARE on EVERY STREET! :-)

Carol,

With regards to RI, review my | March 4, 2008 12:35 PM post. It's not enough to just win there...

Texas will be interesting. Bill Clinton did a radio interview with a Spanish Radio station, 106.7. He actually got them to do an english segment.

He was touting Hillary being for the Dream program so that kids of illegals can still get educated in the US, having a migrant worker program, yada yada yada... I did get a sense from some of the callers after the fact that many had voted early and that at least 2/3 were breaking her way...most of the older callers were in here camp, there was more of a split amongst the under 30 crowd.

If you listen to the black radio, it is more overwhelming support for Obama. Many were pissed off about SC and they were wanting to be sure whites would vote for Obama before they committed. Economic opportunity was the big issue I heard from them.

Most of the signs are for Ron Paul and Hillary Clinton. Though Obama signs did pop up in my neighborhood over the weekend.

I have heard no mention of Iraq as an issue from any of my networking groups, be they Realtors, Builders, Teachers. For all the bluster now about foreign policy, Texans are most concerned about the economy, to the point where if Romney was still in it, he would have blown out McCain here.

ET...

That would be sad. I haven't been out that way for awhile...am retired now, so not doing so much travelling between Belfair (where I worked) and Olympia. The entire area around TESC is/was beautifully wild. What a shame to see it developed....

please excuse my double post

Interview for promotion to Lt. Gen:

Rumsfeld: so how did you vote in 2000? How do you feel about Hussein?

interview for promotion at NASA: Do you believe in Creation? How do you feel about God?

Interview for promotion at FEDA: Do you believe in "God helps those who help themselves?"

Interview for promotion at Interior ministry: Do you hate Al Gore?

go on.. add one...

ET/Harbor

Even after three years, Washington makes me crazy. California: If you are going north the ocean is on your left. If you are going south, the ocean is on your right.

If you are standing near the water, the ocean sets into it.

Not is Washington. With all the various places the water goes, you never know where in bejeesus north is located. Whenever I drive out to Fort Lewis, it feels as if I am going north when it is actually south. Not fun.

ET...Does this help?

http://www.gonorthwest.com/Washington/HoodCanal/Hood_Canal_map.htm

I agree, Jamie! All the water around here makes everything feel 'turned around'. Then again, I've never had the greatest sense of direction.

EuroTom,

For news about Vermont here is the Burlington Free Press
www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage

For Rhode Island, I would suggest the Providence Journal projo.com. If you want RI TV coverage, I would suggest WJAR... that is turnto10.com

"Harold Ford was/IS eye candy"

He's a cutie, that's for sure. And a really nice guy. Too conservative, but two outta three ain't bad.

I know!! Maybe we should have ran Hanna Montanna for President!!!!!!

It would certainly have caused a stir in the current trend of McDonald's style campaigning ----(you know, cater to the kids and get them hooked on happy meals so that they cajole you in to picking McDonald's because they want the toy inside, meanwhile you have to settle for bloody awful food that is horrible for you).

Seriously, that is what I am feeling is going on here. People have spent so little time thinking about what is really important (Present Company excluded) .

You see an Obama supporter on TV and they can't tell you much of anything that he has done---They just really think he's exciting, and motivational.

You see a Hillary supporter and they always go into details. They know all kinds of things about her.

That was what finally made me make my mind up. Being in education as a guidance counselor I know just easy it is to sell young people on fantasy and idealism. I am not saying that we should not pursue high ideals. I just seems that you have to have a practical strategy, and some ability to deliver, to get there.

I don't want someone to just tell me how wonderful the would is going to be. I want someone to tell exactly how they are going to work toward making the world wonderful.

I voted with la esposa about noon today and we were the only ones in there. Another guy that looked like a Repub came in as we left.

Bear,
over hear in East FTW I have only seen Obama signs. This barrio is mostly African American.

yo soy Horsedooty!

In Texas, I would suggest either www.startelegram.com They have a good political section and they are quick with returns.

Here is O's townhall yesterday if anyone else wants to watch.

Q & A starts about about 30 min. in.

Interested to see other's impressions on it...I'm still watching.

rtsp://video.c-span.org/archive/c08/c08_030108_obama.rm

You'll have to copy and paste that link - I know it looks funny...but that is the correct link - it will open your Real Player app.

So Craig's a Buffy fan? I totally love that.

But seriously, this could be the one year in I can't remember when that our votes in Kentucky's primary will actually count for something. Please don't let that be taken away. It is very discouraging to people to have to go into the general election and vote for a candidate that was chosen for them. So the majority of them stay home, and Mitch McConnell wins another term!

truebeliever,

"I don't want someone to just tell me how wonderful the would is going to be. I want someone to tell exactly how they are going to work toward making the world wonderful."

The world is full of people with hyperbole detailing this and detailing that, but one thing I am becoming more and more certain of...that HRC cannot win the general election. If you get off this site and see other blogs, you hear how many people who have already voted and wish they had not voted for her. If you think this NAFTA thing and the upcoming trial in Chicago is anything, wait until the Republicans get into the Clintons' "well oiled" machine. Besides, she needs ALL of the Obama young supporters. Wonder how many of those she could get?

Bear,

the link is www.star-telegram.com

you forgot the hyphen.

yo soy Horsedooty!

I'll have to check that out then Dooty...

Don't forget to call me when you want to refinance, rates are starting to finally drop!

So what if she stays in? Good for her. Let everybody have a chance to weigh in. All this talk about tearing the party apart is just stupid. This country needs attention deficit order medicine anyway. The only people who would allow hard feelings to continue after a nominee is selected are just plain selfish poor losers anyway.

i am on the lake erie coast west of cleveland, and it is basically an ice storm. everything is covered in ice. the ice forms on the branches of the trees then the wind blows it to the ground. i can not imagine this is good for the after-work voter turn out.

You are giving the younger generation a bit more responsibility that they have earned to date. Their attention is as fleeting as the wind. All it would take is another fad to catch their attention.

True,

I think if it is perceived that Senator Clinton is being shoved aside, it will create hard feelings and possible a lot of people sitting on their hands. If everybody will just let the process run its natural course and all the movers and shakers would stop moving and shaking, then the party will come together just fine.

i completely understand, march4, we had a doozie in 1998...keep safe..

Well...it's clear that the Obama campaigns internal poll numbers are not favorable to them today. Remember in the past few contests...Obama campaign would do a press release talking about their big win...based on internal poll numbers.

We haven't seen them puffing their chests out and pounding their fists over a big win.

And now...reports of some voter intimidation and rules infractions in the precincts? Very interesting...seems to show a bit of desperation on the part of the Obama campaign.

BTW - after sitting through the Obam Town Hall (I think he took 6 questions). My view on him is reconfirmed...it's clear I made the right choice.

Thanks for the link though Kathy.

I encourage others to watch it.

I did take down a few notes...but I'm sure nobody here wants to hear what I have to say on it...so I'll spare you...he's shooting himself enough these days...he needs no help from me.

LOL

;-)

Chris Matthews is nuts..He is amazed that Hillary is still in the race and kept trying to get Dean to agree that it would be of great benefit to settle the thing now..Dean kept saying no. As long as we have a nominee in Denver.
Late in the interview SpitMan then said..you finally admitted it..Dean looked at him like he was nuts,,which he was.
Matthews also said Hillary may want to cause Obama to lose the November election..
He needs to be taken off the air.

Besides---a large responsibility for carrying the momentum of this election forward in to the general Lies with the candidate, or candidates who lose the primary. Are you saying that Sen. Obama would not be supportive of the democratic nominee if it were not him. What a guy!!!

Jamie--I agree.

I think all this talk of making anyone leave at this point is wrong.
This is great. Let it go. Let it work itself out. There are still states that want to speak with a legitimate voice. Then the Democrats need to revisit this stupid system of theirs for the future.

CNN was on a commericial and I was on a break. You have to check out all sources, even some of the malcontents on this site.

I and others I know have sent the DNC e-mails letting them know that having these male party leader come out and attempt to push Hillary out of the race prematurely will have a possibly devastating effect on the party.

I would encourage others who are concerned to e-mail the DNC and tell them to get those yahoos like Kerry, Richardson, Durbin and others to cool it (another one came out today doing the same thing and now I can't remember HIS name).

cnn is giving exit polls for Texas

CNN Exit Polls

Texas:

African-Americans: 83 O/16 C
Latino: 64 C/35 O
60+: 67 C/ 31 O

-Atrios 17:33
http://www.atrios.blogspot.com/

Also Ohio exit poll show Clinton leading in Ohio

Exit poll results aren't released till the polls close, networks don't make predictions till then either. Boy for people who claim to be political savvy you really don't have a clue do you.

If Matthews and Olbermann were any deeper in the tank for Obama, they would be drowning.

right except that people besides the networks etc can do exit poll just check the google news links and there they are

if you want to remain in the dark...go right ahead

but those are the facts

CNN has been reporting exit polls regarding specific issues and is referring to specific voting groups..so you know the info. is out there.

Pat B. nailed it....if HRC is seen as being shoved out of this race by anyone, there will be hell to pay..... (in votes)

Someone mentioned something to that effect here earlier.

Karolenna

You have to remember that the majority of the people who vote have rarely been near the net longer than to hear "You've Got Mail". Yes there is a transition coming and it just may be this election with more and more computer literate types who hang out in chat rooms and blogs, but they aren't here yet. But those "utes" only add to the voting population they don't control it yet.

Most of the talk about the Clintons and hillary in particular are the hater locations. They couldn't say something nice about her if their hair were on fire and she had the only extinguisher. It has weight but not enough to keep her from being elected any more than it kept Bill from getting elected the second time.

"Klein, who's also a CNN regular, was most unequivocal in spotting bias.

Klein is an intelligent, observant member of the mainstream press corps. It has been fairly clear, in the past sixteen years, that many of the loudest, most unbalanced Clinton/Gore-haters have come from the Matthews/Russert/Dowd/Michael Kelly/Margaret Carlson Irish-Catholic wing of the press corps. This was clear, and had been widely discussed, long before we ever mentioned it here at THE DAILY HOWLER. We ourselves put off mentioning this pattern for years, until we thought it made better sense to float it for wider discussion."

http://dailyhowler.com/

jamie Rodham White??? LMAO!

Youse guys!

KO has probably OD'ed on the Monica/Bill story & doesn't wanna say the name Clinton for another 8 years.

I voted soon and soon I will vote often. I could split my vote and vote in the caucus for the one I didn't vote for in the primary.

In TX does any voting matter, really?

See: "The Texas Primary Explained: Why Tuesday’s Dem Winner May Not Be Obvious"

The Texas voting system was designed by Rube Goldberg.

http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=5&docID=news-000002680003

tt

tt...Wonderful post! Thanks for the laugh!

kgc and nanny...Welcome back! Two voices I've missed....

March 4
I am in Wooster and it is wet but not a lot of ice yet but I guess it is coming. I am a school counselor and we have missed 7 days already.
I just hope that when Hillary is President she sits on those media guy and gals who were so nasty to her.
Men forget women get even. hahahahaha
I just rely on Craig for an honest call on things.

tip edwards toe?

Not quite it, is it?

tt

Hi harborwoman

I just got back from Ohio where it was 20 and it's a sunny 72 here today and my plum tree is in full bloom.

tt

How about Elizabeth Tiptoe Edwards?

tt...If we use middle names, you'd be tip reid toe...and that's better, no?

kgc...welcome home to the warnth!

"Besides, she needs ALL of the Obama young supporters. Wonder how many of those she could get?"

Probably none because he has trained them well to believe in Him, not in the party. They'd just shave their heads and dance at the airport.

Welcome back, KGC

I am sure it is good to be home...tell us about Ohio.

Thank you JHC..

I'll try to be more patient and forgiving..

" it's a sunny 72 here today and my plum tree is in full bloom."

KGC! You dawg! It's cold and rainy here in TN.

60 and sunny in beautiful Oregon

LMAO! @ Corey!

My tiptoe thing just doesn't work well.

Ms. toe

Blonde wino

Unfortunately I didn't have as much time to snoop around the campaigns but I did see the Obama ad where he channels John Edwards and had a chance to chat with a few people.

The biggest surprise was the popularity of John McCain among Democrats. That maverick status remains unchanged. And they think he would have done a better job at managing the war. These are people reading the Canton Repository not the NY Times or the Post.

http://www.cantonrep.com/ just in cast you thought I was kidding about the name.

The NY Times has a reporter living in Stark County because it is a bellwether area.

Katherine Graham Cracker..

Congratulations..your reports about CNN Exit Polls match exactly what CNN has reported..

I guess you do have a clue..

I used to visit my cousins and uncle in Ohio when I was young...I remember visiting Akron and the soap box derby arena...I can still picture how steep it was (I am sure if I ever went back it would look the that steep).

I think KO's head is going to explode....his ego can't fit inside it anymore.

Tucker had a report on the HRC campaign putting the media room in a men's bathroom. I was surprised at how clean the urninals and the whole bathroom actually were..geez...the media sure complains about everything! : )

I know what you mean ..
I was at the grade school I attended...
Belle Stone (named for the Canton's first woman educator) and it looked like a play house.

Blonde wino...You just triggered a memory...I was the local Soap Box Derby queen when I was 13...sang "I Enjoy Being A Girl" for my talent, which couldn't have been a bigger lie. I may have been Meridian, Mississippi's biggest tomboy! And I don't remember much about how steep their course might have been. I only remember being forced to kiss the winner on the cheek...hated it!

march4

KO isn't very well liked in a certain town in New Mexico. About 90 miles north of here is a town called Truth or Consequences (used to called Hot Springs). Their beloved Ralph Edwards convinced them to change their name to his popular radio show (eventually it was on TV with Bob Barker and I believe, Beula, the chimp). KO change the "or" to "and" in a cheap rip-off of Ralph's show. Ralph used to visit the town every May for a fiesta honoring the name change. Yep, KO is a cheap rip-off.

KO's book is 'Truth AND Consequences' (which he always pushing on his show!)

wow that's really funny about the name change...

yeah KO ..has over stayed his welcome in so many places.

Harbor reid woman...wow. I bet you had a great voice! We have all had to kiss a few men we rather not think about.

Blonde...Nope! Lousy to moderately okay voice, at best. But...I wore short shorts, and the boys voted for the winner. Boys are so easily swayed....

Matthews with all the fake drama about the way Sen Clinton answered the question about Sen Obama's religion. She says no he's not a Muslim. She's asked a second time. No he's not a Muslim he's a Christian. She's asked a third time and says "He's a Christian as far as I know". What do we hear all day ... "As far as I know". The there "trade war with Canada" ... a surrogate blathers the truth by accident. Obama's embarrassed and tap dances. Canadian parliament gets goofy. Big non issue blown all out of proportion to the incident.

Jamie...this is the biggest audience these guys have ever had. What a bunch of hams. Thank God they aren't deciding this nomination!

Matthews is obsessed with that religion question. He has been spewing about it for days.....NO one cares.!!!! But he keeps trying to make someone care.....

I think 5 million a year (CM salary) is about 5 million too much.

Chris Hussein Matthews

Pennsylvania is his home state (mine,too), so you know he wants the dem race to continue so he can campaign for BHO.

HW,
I tried wearing short, shorts, but it didn't seem to work :(

I moved over to CNN. It is much more sane. Even the right wingers are making some sense, and I dislike Bill Bennett.

Ha Ha! i really don't care if Obama "wins" Ohio or Texas. I just want it close so that the delegate splits and he keeps his delegate lead. And right now, it appears that's what happening.

Clintonites, you got spun by your candidate.

Hillary...lol...I'm so sorry, hon...wouldn't work for me today, either!

HW,
I tried wearing short, shorts, but it didn't seem to work :(

jamie...CNN has the best graphics, too.

And Hillary...wearing the shorts under a pants suit won't work.

jamie...CNN has the best graphics, too.

And Hillary...wearing the shorts under a pants suit won't work.

Chris Obamatthews... 8D

Keith Olbarackmann... 8D

My dog just atethe remote.....

One last issue that gets me: Russert acts like the only people on the entire earth that are voting for Hillary are..........lets say it all together now....

"white women over 50 that make less then 50k a year..."

I do not fit that mold. My daughter doesn't fit that mold. My husband doesn't fit that mold.

Russerts an @ss. Now I have to find the buttons on the tv to switch...

Jamie..Bill Bennett is my favorite 'comedian.' : ) CNN is owned by Murdoch and they also had Ralph Reid as a pundit. They like to hire criminals and addicts just like faux news. It is pure entertainment.

Hillary must be high if she's wearing shorts.

March4

Russert always looks like he is having a cholesterol attack....spitting and his eyes bulging (maybe it is thyroid). The only time I saw him when he was calm was during his interview with Caroline Kennedy discussing her book on Christmas.

".I was the local Soap Box Derby queen when I was 13...sang "I Enjoy Being A Girl" for my talent, which couldn't have been a bigger lie. I may have been Meridian, Mississippi's biggest tomboy! "

I love that story, harbor!

Hillary's Math Problem
By Jonathan Alter
Newsweek

"Forget tonight. She could win 16 straight and still lose."

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/030408R.shtml#

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"Hillary's Math Problem
By Jonathan Alter
Newsweek "

Jonathan Alter is a putz. He was practically crying on the Bill Press show last week screaming for her to get out. Word up, the SD's can flip with the wind, and the wind coming off the Big 'O' this week has a bit of a stink to it.

CNN is reporting results from Texas -- the polls don't close for another hour in the West!

Blonde wino,

did you guys get any snow yesterday? We woke up in Alpine, Tx up on one of the mountains there and we had 45 mph wind and 20F temps and snow. Almost all morning. Then I had to drive 500 miles to go home so I could be here to vote. The 4 days before yesterday were great and looked like the Chamber of Commerce had ordered the weather.

Looks like you got the computer issues worked out.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Bush to endorse McCain tomorrow? What are they, crazy?

I'm flush with anticipation!

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