Lawyers in politics are unavoidable, but sometimes their convoluted word construction can be maddening. Parsing Clintonian language is a famously difficult enterprise. But Barack Obama is proving to be equally elusive at times.
Consider what the Democratic presidential frontrunner said today on ABC’s “The View” about his controversial former preacher, Jeremiah Wright: “Had the reverend not retired and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws, then I wouldn't have felt comfortable staying there at the church.”
There is plenty of squish in those words that raises questions, but this phrase is truly confounding: “. . . had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people.”
Was Obama implying that Wright has offered such an acknowledgment? If so, there is no record anywhere of that ever happening.
Obama spokesman Bill Burton says that the Illinois senator was not suggesting that Wright had shown any contriteness. Instead, Burton claims, Obama was “clearly saying that were Rev. Wright not retiring, he [Obama] would need to be assured that the reverend understood why what he had said had deeply offended people.”
Maybe that’s what Obama was saying, but it sure wasn’t clear.
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Comments
first?
Posted by: EuroTom
| March 28, 2008 6:47 PM
first?
Posted by: EuroTom
| March 28, 2008 6:47 PM
damn, so good, I had to say it twice
Posted by: EuroTom
| March 28, 2008 6:48 PM
Well... he definitely WAS a law professor.
Posted by: 9/11 survivor (sort of) | March 28, 2008 6:50 PM
I don't know Craig, but I actually don't think the criticisms by Rev. Wright against US foreign policy and the response by fanatics were so far off base. Our country has been famous for making shady alliances with bad people. "He may be a dictator, but he's OUR dictator"... I've said it before, saying "god DAMN America" was where he went way too far... For one thing, a Christian does not "damn" people or places. That is "God's" job. And for a church leader to do so, well that raises SERIOUS questions about his qualifications to give sermons or lead a Christian church.
Good blog post though!
Tom
Posted by: EuroTom
| March 28, 2008 6:52 PM
Actually, he wasn't a law professor, 9/11. He was just a part time instructor. Big difference.
Posted by: nannymm
| March 28, 2008 6:54 PM
"Actually, he wasn't a law professor, 9/11. He was just a part time instructor. Big difference."
The man taught constitutional law for 10 years at one of the best law schools at the country.
The "big difference" is that - unlike Bush - Obama understands and respects the Constitution.
Posted by: warren
| March 28, 2008 6:56 PM
Does anyone take THIS seriously?
Rove's Compromise for Democrats
By Taegan Goddard | March 28, 2008 9:59 AM | Permalink | Comments (2)
From his new perch as Fox News political pundit, Karl Rove explained how Sen. Barack Obama might deal with the problem of seating delegates from Florida and Michigan at the Democratic convention -- and win the Democratic nomination at the same time.
Rove suggested that by agreeing to seat the delegates according to the results of the "illegal" January primaries -- even if that would give a slight advantage to Sen. Hillary Clinton -- Obama could actually persuade a majority of the remaining superdelegates to back him. It would show Democratic leaders that he's willing to put the party's interests above his own. It would show confidence in his own ability as a leader. And, perhaps most importantly, it would be a gesture that Clinton could not match.
Posted by: EuroTom
| March 28, 2008 6:57 PM
Watching those cuts from The View where Sen. Obama says he would have left the church if Wright hadn't retired was unbelieveable and I mean the man was lying through his teeth unbelievable. He also dodged the whole "mentor" aspect from his books. Basically Wright went under the bus with the typical white grandmother.
This is hardly someone you want to trust. Ambition will always take precedence over love or loyalty.
Posted by: Jamie | March 28, 2008 6:58 PM
Tom, while there is much truth in what you say, it concerns me that a pastor is saying these things from the pulpit and in church publications. Playing politics from the pulpit is what we expect of those crazy right wing repugs. It not right in either case.
Posted by: nannymm
| March 28, 2008 6:58 PM
How can those three women sit there while Tony Blankley utters one oink after another. At least Rachel took him on about Bill being "brilliant" while Hillary was only "smart".
Talk about human beings that should be banished from television.
Posted by: Jamie | March 28, 2008 7:00 PM
dangit, Eurotom, i said this my own self on MSNBC at 4pm today -- i'm channeling Karl Rove, HELP!!!!
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/obamas-clintonesque-word-games.html#comment-59690
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| March 28, 2008 7:02 PM
The perfect term: mealy-mouthed
hesitant to state facts or opinions simply and directly.
As from timidity or hypocrisy.
Posted by: Bowmanc
| March 28, 2008 7:03 PM
You mean as a suggestion Craig? Say, is it possible to watch your punditry from MSNBC online?
Posted by: EuroTom
| March 28, 2008 7:06 PM
Warren, you are absolutely correct that there is a big difference between Obama and Bush. But that was never my issue. Although he taught constitutional law , Barack Obama was not a law professor. He says he was, but he was only an instructor. There is a big difference. If Hillary made such a "mistake" she would be pilloried for it. But I guess Obama is allowed to exaggerate his credentials and she is not.
Posted by: nannymm
| March 28, 2008 7:07 PM
ohhhhh craig... channeling Rove? yerrrr in trouble now, buddy!
Posted by: tylenol
| March 28, 2008 7:08 PM
"For one thing, a Christian does not "damn" people or places. That is "God's" job."
Posted by: EuroTom | March 28, 2008 6:52 PM
ET...I had to chuckle while reading your post at the idea of "God's job," like he's just another working stiff with lousy health care coverage. It was funny.
My guess is that God's more like a typical CEO...with a base salary at least in the seven figures, plus stock options and a bonus plan. And he probably will get a golden-parachute if humans screw things up so much that the whole experiment goes bankrupt.
:)
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 28, 2008 7:08 PM
I am not writing well, it's after midnight ... but anyway...
I agree with nannymm that Churches and other religious organisations should not be playing with politics. If they do, they should not get "tax free" status. Any other organisation that is involved with politics has to pay taxes.
That's just my thought.
Posted by: EuroTom
| March 28, 2008 7:09 PM
E_T-
Your post @6:57 could be quite disturbing to Craig....Craig suggest almost exactly the same thing on MSNBC today...even the conclusion of winning by seeming to be the one who will sacrafic for the good of the party. Too funny.....Karl and Craig think alike.
Craig- It sounded much smarter coming from you! : )
~G
Posted by: Gidget
| March 28, 2008 7:10 PM
My friend and I wondered if they were gonna start singing "G-d Damn America" during the 7th inning stretch at baseball games this year.
Posted by: Corey
| March 28, 2008 7:11 PM
Oh LL... it's TRUE. God IS a Republican !! No wonder why I've backslidden. Course the cousin of mine who had a "vision" that a demon was sticking his long pointing finger nail in my ear (I had an earache) and later prayed in the name of Jesus that I be healed, is now a drug addict, mental case, off-balanced lesbian in South Minneapolis. As for the "faith healing", my ear drum "blew" one evening in Church. I had to be brought to the emergency room (still in high school at this point). That pretty well "cured" me of fundamentalist churches.
I should blog this.
Posted by: EuroTom
| March 28, 2008 7:13 PM
Well..technically.. a Christian shouldn't really have to worry about God judging anyone.. if you are a Christian, then there IS no judgment day.. not after the death and resurrection of Christ.. but I digress...
Posted by: tylenol
| March 28, 2008 7:13 PM
The daughter of a woman I know has an interview with Mc Cann-Erickson Advertising in Manhattan next month. Anybody ever heard of them. They're called Mc Cann Worldgroup.
Posted by: Corey
| March 28, 2008 7:15 PM
Well it's funny Gidget because I found the post on CQ !!! I wonder if Mr. Rove was channeling Craig? He probably thought "Oh sh*t, I have to say something intelligent in the next short while, maybe I'll check what other pundits are saying..." ;-)
KARL ROVE... now those are two words that should unite us all to the eventual Democratic nominee.
Posted by: EuroTom
| March 28, 2008 7:15 PM
yep, EuroTom, i think caving to Clinton on Fla/Mich would be an Obama masterstroke. He'd still be well ahead in pledged delegates, he'd dramatically prove bonadfides as a leader/uniter, he'd be robbing HRC of a major talking point -- and i am guessing that a lot of superdelegates would rally to him out of thankfulness for putting an end to this mess.
haven't a clue about finding msnbc video of that segment online, sorry
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| March 28, 2008 7:15 PM
Craig, do you agree with most commentators that the nomination is CERTAIN for Obama?
Posted by: EuroTom
| March 28, 2008 7:17 PM
...and to follow on Craig's advice, I think Obama should also cede back to Hillary all the caucus states and delegates he won, allow her to be the nominee, and then just quietly step aside. That would simply burnish his reputation as an INCREDIBLE leader, who puts the interests of the party ahead of his own.
Wink-wink.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 28, 2008 7:21 PM
ET
Most of Craig's appearances are on You Tube. Go here. Or just search for Craig Crawford
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Craig+Crawford&search_sort=video_date_uploaded
Posted by: Jamie | March 28, 2008 7:22 PM
"I was a constitutional law professor, which means unlike the current president I actually respect the Constitution," Obama told an audience at a campaign fundraiser.
""Responding to Obama's comments, Dan Ronayne, a spokesman for the Republican National Committee, said, "Senator Obama needs to understand that at this level words matter and he will be scrutinized."
Ronayne pointed that Obama was only a senior lecturer and not a full professor. The University of Chicago lists him as a senior lecturer on leave."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/03/30/politics/p132303D74.DTL&type=politics
Posted by: GORDO | March 28, 2008 7:23 PM
More stuff on you tube on Pole Expediters
http://www.youtube.com/user/POLExpediters
Posted by: Jamie | March 28, 2008 7:24 PM
Former Michigan Governor James Blanchard's take on the voting mess in Michigan and Florida. Of course , he is co-chairman of Hillary's Michigan campaign , so I don't know how many will be in agreement with what he is saying.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080328/NEWS06/80328018#gslPageReturn
Posted by: Corey
| March 28, 2008 7:32 PM
Attaboy Craig, keep pushing that Wright story, you see how much it's hurting us in the polls!
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC
| March 28, 2008 7:32 PM
Clinton Vows To Stay In Race
http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-32305020080305
Posted by: Jamie | March 28, 2008 7:39 PM
However, the Wright controversy does not appear to have undermined support for Obama's candidacy. The latest nationwide survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, conducted March 19-22 among 1,503 adults, finds that Obama maintains a 49% to 39% advantage over Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination, which is virtually unchanged from than the 49% to 40% lead he held among Democrats in late February.
http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=407
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC
| March 28, 2008 7:39 PM
Brian...what's the next step in your forced re-entry here? Are you going to go back up on the "blogroll", too?
You're just like Britney or Lindsey Lohan...you promise go into rehab, but the next thing we know you're posting comments and getting into car wrecks again!
LOL.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 28, 2008 7:43 PM
Maybe not......but he's doing the old hope-a-dope........
Posted by: sturgeone | March 28, 2008 7:43 PM
the funny thing is, Craig is not "pushing the Wright story" ... Barack is. Craig simply questioned the clarity of what BHO was saying and what was the underlying meaning.
and LL.. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
And Brian, you say HILLARY has a "likability" problem. Look in the mirror dude.
Posted by: EuroTom
| March 28, 2008 7:46 PM
strug my friend. What is a hope-a-dope?
Posted by: EuroTom
| March 28, 2008 7:47 PM
Tom...in case you didn't see it last night, you have to click on this video I posted last night, and watch the whole thing. It's better (or at least more festive and less forboding) than garlic or pentagrams! Gloria rocks!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEDGgXYFFAM
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 28, 2008 7:49 PM
I love the fact that the MSNBC runs Tweety twice a night. Don't you all too?
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC
| March 28, 2008 7:49 PM
not "a" hope-a-dope.........."the" hope-a-dope.......defensive action roughly comparable to Ali's "rope-a-dope"
Posted by: sturgeone | March 28, 2008 7:50 PM
Bri-Bri IS Brit-Brit!
Bri-Lie is LiLo!
Posted by: Brian McCain in NYC | March 28, 2008 7:50 PM
Tom I realize it's a struggle but try to keep up, I didn't say Clinton has a likability problem, THE POLLS DO!
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC
| March 28, 2008 7:52 PM
Let's just hope Brian never shoots us an unpantied beaver as he's getting out of a car in front of an anti-Hillary rally..
Ewwwww. I can't believe I even THOUGHT that!!
PS: At least Brit-Brit and LiLo lasted 28 days, didn't they?
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 28, 2008 7:52 PM
I can't believe ya did either, LaLi
Posted by: tylenol
| March 28, 2008 7:57 PM
If Barack and Hillary become the "Dream Team" ticket , they could be called "Billary"!
Posted by: Corey
| March 28, 2008 7:58 PM
...or Hirrack..
Posted by: tylenol
| March 28, 2008 8:01 PM
Dr. Juan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct4sVVqeoUE&feature=related
Posted by: sturgeone | March 28, 2008 8:02 PM
Newly released video! The decent citizens of Crawfordslistville deal with an unwanted resident who insists on hanging around Mayberry.
-Craig is obviously in the Andy role.
-Brian is clearly Peaches.
-And Warren, maybe, can play the part of Opey...if he wants.
--I'll volunteer to be Gomer
-Casting call is open for all other parts!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4yndU6NqUE
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 28, 2008 8:06 PM
Bahillorackery
Posted by: sturgeone | March 28, 2008 8:07 PM
LaL
I liked my contribution to the farewells
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adcPwd7Pf6w
Posted by: Jamie | March 28, 2008 8:07 PM
oh hell......I'm going to be Ernest T. Bass, I just know it..........
Posted by: sturgeone | March 28, 2008 8:08 PM
I guess Obama going on The View was quite brave of him. Watch this video , mainly from the 4:00 minute mark until the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrZSGlNMcUY&feature=related
Posted by: Corey
| March 28, 2008 8:09 PM
omg that's funny ! LL
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| March 28, 2008 8:11 PM
OMG LL, that GO AWAY video was hilarious....
Posted by: EuroTom
| March 28, 2008 8:11 PM
Jamie...I meant to tell you last night but forgot. I absolutely LOVED that video!
Thanks for posting.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 28, 2008 8:11 PM
I wanna be Thelma Lou.. i've always had a thing for Barney
Posted by: tylenol
| March 28, 2008 8:12 PM
I get Aunt Bee
The guys may have had guns. She had frying pans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXcmA5Y7y-Q&feature=PlayList&p=7D3D71969C0C3C07&index=0
Posted by: Jamie | March 28, 2008 8:13 PM
Jamie, I remember when that weird film came out! I got free tickets to see it. I thought it was bizarre. It sure is FUNNY in this context...
Posted by: EuroTom
| March 28, 2008 8:13 PM
ET...the Estefan video was apparently a classic back in the early 90s, according to the provenance text on YouTube. I don't remember it though. But I love her. And I love it.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 28, 2008 8:13 PM
Tylenol...the obvious hole in casting so far is the Barney Fife role. But since in the video, he is so adamant about getting Peaches/Brian to go away...I think the only reasonable choice to play Barney is EuroTom.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 28, 2008 8:14 PM
Still in It To Win It
"According to those close to her, she is hoping that as spring becomes summer, the potential for finding another skeleton or two in Obama's closet will prove him ultimately unelectable in the fall."
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1725958,00.html
Posted by: GORDO | March 28, 2008 8:16 PM
The problem is Black Liberation Theology. It's what the church is based on and Wright has stated this many times.
What about a "theology" which is based in hate. Is that acceptable to anyone?
I got the following from here: http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=8159
Cone, Wright, Trinity UCC and black liberation theology
The acknowledged founder of current black liberation theology is one James H. Cone. Rev. Wright acknowledges Cone as the father of the theology he expressly believes in.
Perhaps the most widely quoted of James Cone's expressions of black liberation theology is this one:
"Black theology cannot accept a view of God which does not represent God as being for oppressed blacks and thus against white oppressors. Living in a world of white oppressors, blacks have no time for a neutral God. The brutalities are too great and the pain too severe, and this means we must know where God is and what God is doing in the revolution. There is no use for a God who loves white oppressors the same as oppressed blacks. We have had too much of white love, the love that tells blacks to turn the other cheek and go the second mile. What we need is the divine love as expressed in black power, which is the power of blacks to destroy their oppressors, here and now, by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject God's love." [A Black Theology of Liberation, p. 70]
But there are many more. And they all are pretty shocking when one considers they undergird what most, until recently, considered to be a mainstream Christian church.
For instance Cone has written this about the hatred of whites and the impossibility of black racism:
"It is important to make a further distinction here among black hatred, black racism, and Black Power. Black hatred is the black man's strong aversion to white society. No black man living in white America can escape it...But the charge of black racism cannot be reconciled with the facts. While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism. Racism, according to Webster, is 'the assumption that psychocultural traits and capacities are determined by biological race and that races differ decisively from one another, which is usually coupled with a belief in the inherent superiority of a particular race and its rights to dominance over others.'
Where are the examples among blacks in which they sought to assert their right to dominance over others because of a belief in black superiority?...Black Power is an affirmation of the humanity of blacks in spite of white racism.
More importantly though, if this church has been the one that "most embodied" James Cone's message, how in the world has Senator Obama remained so blissfully unaware for 23 years?
Despite the speech and the absurd and morally relative comparison between Wright and his "Typical White Person" grandmother - I have to agree that he does believe and his morals have been affected by it.
Go to the site to read it or research further for yourself.
FIND THE TRUTH, BEFORE YOU VOTE FOR A NOMINEE FOR OUR PARTY THAT WILL LOSE.
Posted by: Tricia | March 28, 2008 8:16 PM
Alter floating a "Hillary for NY Governor" balloon.
That would be interesting.
Posted by: Jamie | March 28, 2008 8:17 PM
...as long as that's a 'bullet' in his pocket.. sure! :)
Posted by: tylenol
| March 28, 2008 8:17 PM
"Alter floating a "Hillary for NY Governor" balloon.
That would be interesting."
Agreed I'd love to see her lose that race too, what fun!
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC
| March 28, 2008 8:19 PM
1. And just to set the record straight and this will be my last post here, my decision to leave has for the most part nothing to do with the people who post here but the host of this blog. I find his repeated claims to be unbiased without foundation, he takes shots at Senator Obama every chance he gets, any "compliment" of Obama he has made is delivered in the most back handed of manner. His trailmix entry of "Obama vs. Florida and Michigan" was pretty much the last straw for me and I now understand why the only TV outlet he now appears on is that of the king of racial jokes Don Imus, water seeks it own level. Over and out!
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC | March 21, 2008 10:28 PM
Posted by: Once more with feeling | March 28, 2008 8:21 PM
http://i25.tinypic.com/15dry10.jpg
might not fit the definition exactly
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| March 28, 2008 8:23 PM
Ty...definitely click that "Mayberry" link upthread if you already haven't. It's totally perverse, and I think you'll appreciate it almost more than anyone...given your apparent Mayberry fandom.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 28, 2008 8:24 PM
Wow Burrito! Howdja do that?
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 28, 2008 8:25 PM
Me as Barney Fife? ooooh nooooooo
Posted by: EuroTom
| March 28, 2008 8:26 PM
it's magic
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| March 28, 2008 8:26 PM
I will tomorrow, LL.. i am still without soundcard here.. just havent had time to hike over to puter store and get one.. but I'll check it out from another puter tomorrow..
Posted by: tylenol
| March 28, 2008 8:27 PM
Can I have dibs on the Helen Crump role?
I have a crush on Craig.
Posted by: prof marcia
| March 28, 2008 8:28 PM
ET...click the link. I think you'll find Barney as frustrated as you are in all his machinations to get rid of the unwanted pest!!! He even tries to counsel young Opie in one sequence, kind of like you have Warren.
I think your perfect for the role!
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 28, 2008 8:28 PM
LaLi... would you kindly email that link to me? then I don't have to hunt through posts to find it..
adeste underscore fidalis at yahoo dot ca (not com) ..and I know fidales is misspelled..
thanks! :)
Posted by: tylenol
| March 28, 2008 8:28 PM
Ok. I hate to interrupt the frivolity over Mayberry but I had an update to share with you all and I am drinking wine and watching basketball(waiting on those Tigers). You know when I told you about Fonda Dicks the amazing High school basketball player of the 70's, the night we were talking about unusual names? Well, I just found out she married a guy with the last name of Peters so now her name is Fonda Peters. This is a true story, I could not make this up. Thanks for indulging me.
Posted by: zoey
| March 28, 2008 8:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2sfelvHAlU
make the best of this situation.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| March 28, 2008 8:31 PM
Ok I'm barney then...
What is BHiNYC? Satan?
Posted by: EuroTom
| March 28, 2008 8:32 PM
real life is scary
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| March 28, 2008 8:33 PM
No...he's Peaches.
Watch the video, ETom! You'll get it then!
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 28, 2008 8:34 PM
Sorry, I REALLY do need to sleep now. Thank god I don't work on Sat or Sun.
in 1/2 hour we jump ahead to daylight savings time.
Well TTFN...
Oh and Brian, do you get off on the fact that nearly everyone here rather dislikes you?
Posted by: EuroTom
| March 28, 2008 8:35 PM
hahaha fonda dicks (or peters). i missed that one..
Olivia Newton John married Wayne Newton, divorced him and married Elton John, she'd be Olivia Newton John Newton John :))))
Posted by: tylenol
| March 28, 2008 8:35 PM
Since Jamie beat me out for the part of Aunt Bee, can I be her stand-in?
Posted by: nannymm
| March 28, 2008 8:39 PM
Hey Ty...here's the link again for the video, for you to cut and paste as you please:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4yndU6NqUE
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 28, 2008 8:39 PM
Everyone "knew" Fonda. Fonda Peters ended up getting a divorce everyone was really, I mean really sad and then she met ,and fell in love with, Alex Prix.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| March 28, 2008 8:40 PM
You can be Aunt Bee's friend Clara, nanny :)
Posted by: tylenol
| March 28, 2008 8:40 PM
Burrito
Is that your Cafe Press account? Can we make you rich buying "Spindrool" T-Shirts? If so I can put you on my blog sidebar.
Posted by: Jamie | March 28, 2008 8:41 PM
no - I just made it up. But I think it can be done. : )
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| March 28, 2008 8:42 PM
Durn, I always end up as Luanne Poovy, Gomer's dumb girlfriend. There would be some that would say I was type cast.
Posted by: zoey
| March 28, 2008 8:43 PM
thanks, ty. that works for me.
Posted by: nannymm
| March 28, 2008 8:43 PM
Zoey. Cheer up. Luanne Poovy was always totally HOT.
She blew Thelma Lou away.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 28, 2008 8:44 PM
Another bottle of wine and I will be spinning and drooling. Aha, another use for spindrool.
Posted by: zoey
| March 28, 2008 8:45 PM
I'd wear one.....
It's awesome and on the back at the neck I could put a little code symbol for the trail mix ...I'll look into it and see waht is required there may be Tm infringement...but I can alter
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| March 28, 2008 8:45 PM
EuroTom:
I think Rove is right on what to do with FL. Seat 50% of the delegates based on the Jan. vote.
Clinton gets the advantage in delegates and more importantly +294,772 popular votes.
(Despite the fact she planned a victory party in the State on the night of the primary - which was announced days before the vote. I think that got a lot more votes than Obama's national ad-run. It is not as if that commercial was the first time anyone saw Obama on TV....)
Anyways, the key - is that awarding 50% of the delegates is the same thing the Republicans did. So we can at least take that issue of the table for the general.
(We already have enough explaining to do about the Super D's....Fox will probably give that 21 year-old Super D a morning show).
Posted by: warren
| March 28, 2008 8:46 PM
Burrito...I think, just for nitpick edits, it needs to be clearly the MSNBC logo sted of just the standard MSNBC Peacock.
And maybe a heroic photo of Obama should be the actual focus of the front of the T-Shirt, with the "spindrool" word underneath.
Or if you want to go ironic, the photo of a cynical looking Obama with the ciggie hanging out of this mouth.
Either would work just fine.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 28, 2008 8:48 PM
Sorry..meant "standard NBC Peacock"
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 28, 2008 8:50 PM
heyyyy HEYYYY...thelma lou was too hot!!
Posted by: tylenol
| March 28, 2008 8:50 PM
LaL
You need a Cafe Press Account. There is a whole line of clothing in some of the things you make up.
You could start with the Spindrool T-Shirts and craig could gift all the on air staff at MSNBC for Christmas.
Posted by: Jamie | March 28, 2008 8:50 PM
Yes. She was SUPER-hot, Tylenol. But all of us guys hanging shiftlessly around Mayberry could never figure out what she saw in Barney. So that made her slightly less hot.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 28, 2008 8:51 PM
Jamie...If I can figure out a way to get a full-motion Gloria Estefan video onto the front of a T-Shirt...I'm in.
But that technology probably won't exist until I'm long dead.
:)
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 28, 2008 8:54 PM
Warren
I put up that idea several days ago including the Republican reference. Does Rove read the website or are we channeling the Devil?
Posted by: Jamie | March 28, 2008 8:54 PM
Craig,
In reference to your post "Obama's Clintonesque Word Games" you
highlight what some seem to miss and that is that Obama IS a slick politician,
as capable of doublespeck and spin as any other candidate for president.
His message that he is the new, postmodern, 21st version of sweaky clean candidate has lost its luster and has begun to sound hollow.
Make no mistake, he wants to win as badly as Hillary and if it's true, as the media constantly insists, that Mrs. Clinton will do anything to win, surely it's obvious Obama will do anything to win the nomination as well, including, slying maneuvering with his posse to make certain there is no revote in Florida and Michigan.
Posted by: prof marcia
| March 28, 2008 8:57 PM
The problem with todays politics is, it has arrived at a time in place where everything is different. The internet has change the world, as we knew it, and it is really very dynamic and interesting to be witness to this phenomenon. Conversely, a lot has been lost in regards to respect and dignity and accountability.
That will be the challenge going forward for any candidate to be able to control the beast.
We are the beast ...it's kind of fun.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| March 28, 2008 8:57 PM
Lal
Quite a while back I saw televisions on shirts -- I suppose you could arrange for closed circuit play of videos.
Posted by: Jamie | March 28, 2008 8:58 PM
nannym:
Obama sounds like he was a good teacher of Constitutional law:
"Those are tremendous ratings, especially for someone who had a day job," Professor Cass Sunstein said. "We wanted him to join the faculty full-time at various different junctures. That's not a trivial fact. . . . If we want to hire someone, the faculty has to think they're tremendous. But he liked political life."
While a state senator, Obama held classes early on Monday and late on Friday during legislative sessions, running right through the school's popular Friday evening wine-and-cheese hour. Obama was so popular, students signed up for his class anyway.
...
"I loved teaching," Obama told the Sun-Times. "But when the opportunity came [to run for U.S. Senate] I took it. I think some of the public speaking skills I developed in the classroom -- stay on your toes; don't make my answers too long -- I'm using on the campaign trail."
http://www.law.uchicago.edu/news/law-students-gave-Obama121807/index.html
Posted by: warren
| March 28, 2008 8:58 PM
LL..it was the bullet in his pocket.. hehe
Posted by: tylenol
| March 28, 2008 8:58 PM
LL
You really should put the line forward....it could make you a god-zillionaire. Then you could run for president...
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| March 28, 2008 9:00 PM
Gordo:
Run back and tell Taylor Marsh that "part-time teacher" vs. "professor" is not quite "sniper fire, duck and get to the base" vs. the videotape.
Talk about a 527!!!
Posted by: warren
| March 28, 2008 9:01 PM
Burrito...before I ever ran for president, I would INSIST on seating the Florida and Michigan delegations. Just to show leadership. :)
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 28, 2008 9:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faEEro38pEA
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| March 28, 2008 9:03 PM
Jamie:
It proves we are just as smart as Karl Rove (and he is a devilsh genius.)
Posted by: warren
| March 28, 2008 9:03 PM
or maybe just to show a bit of democracy
as in - it is a "good thing" to count the vote of the people in this country
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| March 28, 2008 9:05 PM
Warren,
People who were on the plane with her did tell them to put their flak jackets under their seats because there had been sniper fire. He told them they would be doing a "military" landing. The major part of the meet and greet was moved in doors.
She may have inflated the experience on the ground but it wasn't quite the total sham the press made it out to be.
Certainly it was no worse that Sen. Obama's View appearance that no one in the media bothered to pick apart.
Politicians are politicians. She should have stuck with her real support for her husband while in the WH and her real experiences in the Senate, but that is hindsight.
Sen. Obama shouldn't have lied in his books, but he did.
Posted by: Jamie | March 28, 2008 9:06 PM
Regardless of all of that, Warren, Obama was not a professor. He was a part-time lecturer. Period. He claimed to be a law professor. He lied. And those are the facts.
Posted by: nannymm
| March 28, 2008 9:06 PM
"One week after Sen. Clinton called for a "second stimulus package" with $30 billion to help states and localities fight foreclosures, Sen. Obama announced a "second $30 billion stimulus package". Response from policy director Neera Tanden: “…When it comes to fixing the economy, we need leadership, not followership.""
ROFL
just thought it was funny.
;-)
Posted by: Wendy!
| March 28, 2008 9:07 PM
sorry i was a little slow there....
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| March 28, 2008 9:07 PM
Anyone who got W elected twice is damn smart.
(Time for me and Lucy to eat some "Dumpling Man" - which I highly recomend if you ever come to NYC.)
And I'm not the only one:
http://nymag.com/listings/restaurant/dumpling-man/
(pork dumplings seared with monster sauce and peanuts is my drug of choice ; )
Posted by: warren
| March 28, 2008 9:09 PM
"She may have inflated the experience on the ground but it wasn't quite the total sham the press made it out to be."
That's the kind of thinking that leads to people claiming a blow job isn't sex.
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC
| March 28, 2008 9:10 PM
Now Wendy
I did make an additional statement that I am spending my $30 million differently. :-)
Barack "Me Too" Obama
They need to have another debate soon so he can steal some new ideas.
Posted by: Jamie | March 28, 2008 9:12 PM
Regardless of all of that, Warren, Obama was not a professor. He was a part-time lecturer. Period. He claimed to be a law professor. He lied. And those are the facts.
Posted by: nannymm Author Profile Page | March 28, 2008 9:06 PM
Do you have a link to where he claimed to be a law professor? I couldn't find anything on his web site or his wikipedia site.
Thanks.
Posted by: Nancy | March 28, 2008 9:15 PM
As I was walkin' up the stair
I saw a man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
Oh how I wish he'd go away
Posted by: Jamie | March 28, 2008 9:16 PM
Well if sex is what it take to make a baby, then a bj doesn't cut it.
I am not sure if I know what sex is?
Never even considered the question before.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| March 28, 2008 9:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX6WHvxTYHs
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| March 28, 2008 9:21 PM
What Burrito? BJs aren't baby-making sex? My Catholic Priest always told me that tonsils and ovaries were the same thing! Who knew!
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 28, 2008 9:22 PM
As I said long ago right after the Iowa caucuses, the people who turned out for Obama wouldn't stick around and I was right to an extent. Several did turn out for my county convention until the preference groups were set, then they booked. And as far as party politics are concerned, the Obama supporters are absent.
I had my first county central committee meeting recently and most of the "new Democrat" Obama supporters did not attend. Since I have been on County Central Committee for a while now, I made a point of greeting new members and inviting them to my table. My newbies consisted of 2 Edwards supporters and 3 Clinton supporters. The rest of the committee was mainly the same people it always is because we are the ones that make the party run. This party cannot survive without the base because there will be no fundraisers or other events for the down ticket races. This is definitely something to think about.
Posted by: zoey
| March 28, 2008 9:22 PM
Obama Was A Constitutional Law Professor:
At A Recent Fundraiser, Obama Claimed He Was A “Constitutional Law Professor.” “‘I was a constitutional law professor, which means unlike the current president I actually respect the Constitution,’ Obama told an audience at a campaign fundraiser.” (Brendan Farrington, “Obama: Bush Fails To Respect The Constitution,” The Associated Press, 3/30/07)
On The University Of Chicago Law School Website, Obama Is Listed As A “Senior Lecturer In Law (On Leave Of Absence).” (University Of Chicago Law School Website, http://www.law.uchicago.edu/faculty/obama, Accessed 3/30/07)
Obama Made This False Claim In His 2004 Senate Race. “Several direct-mail pieces issued for Obama's primary [Senate] campaign said he was a law professor at the University of Chicago. He is not. He is a senior lecturer (now on leave) at the school. In academia, there is a vast difference between the two titles. Details matter.” (Lynn Sweet, “Obama's Book: What's Real, What's Not” Chicago Sun-Times, 8/8/04)
Posted by: Scrubbed | March 28, 2008 9:22 PM
Nancy,
Try this:
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0804/0804obamafaith.htm
Also try google
Posted by: nannymm
| March 28, 2008 9:23 PM
god damn even that candy ass Dan Abrams is saying Hillary should get out.
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC
| March 28, 2008 9:24 PM
Okay. Here is the clarification from the University of Chicago as of today. They have said that while a lecturer on staff, he was entitled to be called "professor" but he was not on a tenured track
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/usa/2008/03/professor_obama.html
Posted by: Jamie | March 28, 2008 9:25 PM
"My Catholic Priest always told me that tonsils and ovaries were the same thing! Who knew!"
lol @ LL
Posted by: zoey
| March 28, 2008 9:25 PM
Part time lecturer is NOT a professor.
Of course, if challenged by the FEC, he could always take the 5th. Or he could obfuscate, as he did on the View--I guess that's his privilege under the 1st.
I wonder if he even has a shingle to hang out. Alas, that's not germane;
But his employment status and position are . He has misstated his position and employment status on numerous occasion. He has deceived us as to his bona fides.
To me, that matters more than Bosnia.
Posted by: Flatus
| March 28, 2008 9:27 PM
They have said that while a lecturer on staff, he was entitled to be called "professor" but he was not on a tenured track
Revisionist History
He is a senior lecturer (now on leave) at the school. In academia, there is a vast difference between the two titles. Details matter.” (Lynn Sweet, “Obama's Book: What's Real, What's Not” Chicago Sun-Times, 8/8/04)
Posted by: Scrubbed | March 28, 2008 9:27 PM
Brian can be Ernest T. Bass.
Posted by: Corey
| March 28, 2008 9:29 PM
Point of clarification of whether Obama was a professor at Univ. of Chicago Law School has been provided by them. He was a lecturer, then senior lecturer (which is considered a law professor).
chttp://www.law.uchicago.edu/media/index.htmllaim
Posted by: Coreen | March 28, 2008 9:31 PM
Corey,
Ernest T. Bass was likeable so I beg to differ.
Posted by: zoey
| March 28, 2008 9:32 PM
You know...I'm wondering now after all this "Constitutional Law Professor" flap if BO really was ever a "Community Organizer," as he always claims in the front and center portion of his resume.
Has anyone seen those TV ads for the Yellow Pages featuring this affable dude named "Dex", who hangs on a swinging cable from a phone booth, or whatever, and who directs people to whatever service they crave at any given moment? Well, basically, "Dex" is a "community organizer" too, isn't he?. Did BO even do as much community organizing as Dex does day in and day out?
Why isn't "Dex" running for president?
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 28, 2008 9:33 PM
Wendy
He has been copying all of Clinton's plans since the beginning.In the debates he always said"I agree with Hillary.So why get the carbon copy when we can have the original
Posted by: painter
| March 28, 2008 9:34 PM
But , Ernest T. Bass threw rocks.
Posted by: Corey
| March 28, 2008 9:34 PM
Corey,
Good point!! I forgot about the rocks. I just always thought Ernest T. was kind cute.
Posted by: zoey
| March 28, 2008 9:35 PM
Has it always been like this or is the University of Chicago giving Obama cover? Obama did intend to mislead.
Posted by: GORDO | March 28, 2008 9:36 PM
Whatever you call them -- superdelegates or automatic delegates -- they are the backbone of the Democratic party Obama is running to lead. These are the Democrats who will be there in the future no matter what. Obama has made a successful effort to bring in Republican and independent voters to the Democratic primary and caucus contests.
The permanent residents of the Democratic party should be able to feel as at home as these visitors. For now, the Obama forces have succeeded in shining a spotlight on superdelegates and enlarging the Obama "movement" to target them.
Ickes and the Clinton folks are on the defensive because of what Ickes called "all the controversy ginned up by the Obama campaign."
Ickes nailed what happened. Ginned up and ready to go.
Originally published in the Chicago Sun-Times.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lynn-sweet/how-the-obama-team-ginned_b_87472.html
Posted by: Scrubbed | March 28, 2008 9:37 PM
Ladies and others, if you've lost Dan Abrams it's over!
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC
| March 28, 2008 9:37 PM
Zoey
Is there any chance the party would consider going to a primary?
Posted by: Jamie | March 28, 2008 9:38 PM
I'll play Opey. He had good enough sense to get outta there!!
Posted by: warren
| March 28, 2008 9:43 PM
Hillary's Day at the Fortune Teller
After Bill had spent several days campaigning for her and lost his
temper many times costing her votes and finally escaping from her overly
controlling campaign manager for the evening, Hillary sneaked off to
visit a fortune teller of some local repute.
In a dark and hazy room, peering into a crystal ball, the mystic
delivered grave news.
'There's no easy way to say this, so I'll just be blunt: Prepare
yourself to be a widow. Your husband will die a violent and horrible
death this year just after you lose the election.' Then the soothsayer
looked up and locked eyes with Hillary, who was visibly shaken at this
news.
Hillary stared back at the woman's lined face, then at the single
flickering candle, then down at her shaking hands.
She took a few deep breaths to compose herself.
She simply had to know.
She looked back, deep into the fortune teller's gaze, steadied her
voice, and asked her the big question:
'Will I be acquitted?'
Posted by: painter
| March 28, 2008 9:44 PM
Good God, Brian. Listen to yourself. I don't even know what you're talking about. But even if I did, since when is Dan Abrams the kingmaker for the most powerful position in the free world?
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 28, 2008 9:44 PM
Jamie,
It doesn't look like we would go to a primary because the taxpayers would have to fit the bill. I really don't feel right about asking my neighbors, who are not Democrats, to pay for me to elect my party's nominee.
Posted by: zoey
| March 28, 2008 9:44 PM
Opie? Okay , Warren.
Posted by: Corey
| March 28, 2008 9:45 PM
Warren...did you see the video? It was pretty funny...:)
And I agree...Opey ultimately makes the right choice!
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 28, 2008 9:45 PM
OOPs I forgot, alos we have an agreement with New Hampshire that we will not have a primary so they can be first.
Posted by: zoey
| March 28, 2008 9:45 PM
Obama is a Muslim, Weathernan Black Panther, America hating terrorist. Period. Everything else is a lie.
Posted by: Huey | March 28, 2008 9:47 PM
I think the world needs a community organizer.
The US is not the hegemont we once were - mainly as a result of so-called 2nd and 3rd world nations rising in power.
The US can no longer simply tell everyone what to do (especially after Bush has tarnished our reputation.) But by acting as the community organizer - since we are the ONLY Country that can fulfill this role - we lead the World into the 21st Century.
Obama '08
Si Se Puede!
Posted by: warren
| March 28, 2008 9:50 PM
Dex '08!
Let your fingers do the governing!!!
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 28, 2008 9:52 PM
I wanna be Floyd the Barber.
Another classic Mayberry video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSt6c5-whHY&feature=related
Posted by: Corey
| March 28, 2008 9:56 PM
Zoey
Most states put all the parties on the same ballot and if the Oregon mail system or a combination precinct and absentee spread the costs across the whole population.
It just seems so much more democratic to me. Certainly less open to having the system overun the way the Obama folks did.
Posted by: Jamie | March 28, 2008 9:57 PM
Hi again Craig,
I wonder if you actually read all these blog comments. If you do, I want to edit
my earlier response. I left out the word century, after 21st. I was typing too fast.
I just watched your appearance on Hardball and you were animated and
spunky as usual, with your witty commentary about the Dream Ticket issue.
I loved your Hillary as the new Dick Cheney line. You pointed out that
Hillary could "work the Hill" and would be better at reaching across the aisle
to Republicans than Obama so she would be a great asset to him if he
picked her for his VP. I also loved your "shotgun wedding" phrase
in describing Clinton choosing Obama as her VP, if she wins. You seem
to be the voice of reason in these pundit debates like when you
hushed Andrea Mitchell's broken record drone today about how all the "fighting" between Obama and Hillary is destroying both of the candidates. You quelled the squabbling when you said that lawyers and senators can always get over bickering during the campaign. By the way, I liked the grey shirt and black jacket you wore on the show. Just to let readers know, anyone who missed Hardball today can go to the MSNBC website and watch it.
Posted by: prof marcia
| March 28, 2008 9:58 PM
Who lifted the rock and allowed Huey to crawl into the open?
Posted by: Jamie | March 28, 2008 9:59 PM
Corey...you got the Floyd role if you want it.
BTW...I checked out your blog today. I know we've already talked baseball, and you're a Tigers fan through and through. But how does a KC Chiefs fan end up in western Michigan, and rooting against the Lions?
As a lifelong Chiefs fan, who attended almost every home game between 1966 and 1984, with lots of other visits to Arrowhead sprinkled in between..I'd like to know.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 28, 2008 10:01 PM
Jamie. You're right. I'm letting go of the rock now...hopefully crushing Huey.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 28, 2008 10:03 PM
The problem with the Cheney analogy is it implies Obama is an idiot like Bush is.
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC
| March 28, 2008 10:05 PM
Once more with feeling:
Don't you realize that every time you copy and paste that quote you are repeating a slam against the host of this blog that was said in the heat of the moment.
(You are also "Wrighting" the poster)
Wrighting (verb): using 30-second loop of someone's worst moments in order to attack that person or someone else.
(aka "Swiftboating")
Posted by: warren
| March 28, 2008 10:06 PM
More on lecturers, etc.
Doing a little research, it appears as if the university statutes tells what the academic positions are. Clearly, professors (of any stature) are professors. And lecturers are...lecturers.
http://trustees.uchicago.edu/articles/statutes.pdf
Posted by: Flatus
| March 28, 2008 10:09 PM
Oh it's ok warren, I think it's funny, makes me chuckle every time!
Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC
| March 28, 2008 10:10 PM
if the obamabots want a glimpse of the future with BoBo as president, please check out my governor and Barry's good buddy Duval Patrick's first year 'performance'......... I voted for Duval in the primary because I didn't think my first choice Gabrielli could win in the general, I want my vote back.
Posted by: econsmed
| March 28, 2008 10:10 PM
LL:
"Or if you want to go ironic, the photo of a cynical looking Obama with the ciggie hanging out of this mouth."
I would buy that T-shirt.
Posted by: warren
| March 28, 2008 10:11 PM
Posted by: warren | March 28, 2008 10:06 PM
I don't recall your suggestion to Brian in NYC that he apologize to the host.
Posted by: Mrs Manners | March 28, 2008 10:11 PM
Warren,
"using 30-second loop of someone's worst moments "
There aren't any other kind.
Posted by: Jamie
| March 28, 2008 10:12 PM
Warren...you are a valued commentor here. Don't waste any more energy defending Brian.
He is just a shark, who swims dumbly along not really knowing or caring about making any distinction between sunlight, darkness, water, air, food, or his own feces. He just swims along, eating it all up, no matter what it is.
No need for you to try to reconcile any of it for us. Just hang around, and enjoy this place on your own terms.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 28, 2008 10:14 PM
LL:
"before I ever ran for president, I would INSIST on seating the Florida and Michigan delegations. Just to show leadership. :)"
HRC: "You know, it's clear this election they're having isn't going to count for anything."
Now they should count. Leadership?
Posted by: warren
| March 28, 2008 10:17 PM
Did anybody take Goober?
Posted by: Ivy Green | March 28, 2008 10:23 PM
Warren..that was just a post about a goofy T-shirt idea, sort of poking fun at both candidates as well as the idea of me ever being a god-zillionaire. Didn't have anything serious to do with the campaign. Sorry if it came off that way.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| March 28, 2008 10:23 PM
LL , when I was younger I was a L.A. Rams fan. I was a big fan of L.A. teams. Lakers , Dodgers and the Rams. After awhile , I didn't like how the Rams owner was running the team. So , I started following the Chiefs. I still root for the Lakers and Dodgers , but I root for the Pistons and Lakers as well. The Lions? Who cares about them? Although , I do watch them on tv every week , eventhough they suck.