Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

God Morning Craig,

Barack Hussein Obama is compassionate. he takes the high road on a miriad of issues. If there is only one point of fact about his charactor that he has proven over and over again, its his desire for the high road and his insistance that he and WE take it if anything is going to get done in this country.

I like that very much and thanks Craig for making this a bit more plain to all. ;0)

Dear Craig, Everyone
Good Morning all!

YAY Craig on Morning Joe :-))
--Heather

At least Obama didn't do the old "I mispoke."

Dear Craig:
Great point about Obama bringing up Pastor Wright and not Hillary...Craig you were great but interview was far to short. hopefully you will have an in-studio interview with more time.

Sincerely,
Heather

Good Morning All_

Just watchched Craig on Morning Joe> Boy--did he get bumped off fast when he pointed out that the poll they have talking about this morning over-sampled African Americans. No wonder Hillary's positives were down and BHO's were up. I'll be watching to see ig Joe brings this up again during the show.

I often wondered why young people, 18 to 25 y.o., were so in love BHO. When you think about it the answerer is obvious, very obvious as was pointed out in an NPR interview conducted yesterday at a BHO North Carolina rally. According to this one 18 year old female, 'Obama connects with the younger people because he is so laid-back, he is just like us.' And that's why she is going to vote for BHO. Nothing about policy matters, just that he was laid-back, just like her. The reason the answer is so obvious is because this age group has little or no real life experiences to relate to, and BHO with his BS polyanna message falls right into their way of thinking. Her answer is very typical of the BHO cult following crowd, and so very scary.

Hi Craig:

I just watched you on Morning Joe and you were brilliant as always. I look
forward to your appearances on TV. As one poster here pointed out, you were
sadly whisked off MSNBC this morning when you so reasonably pointed out
that the latest NBC poll judging Hillary's negatives was slanted and clearly unfair. You seem consistently the most sane and rational of all the pundits.
I agree with your other comments on the show when you responded to
Bill Clinton's statements about how this Democratic campaign isn't at all
mean-spirited in comparison to many other elections. You wisely pointed out
that elections are meant for lively debates and confrontations. And lastly,
bravo to you for being the ONLY commentator, so far, to defend Hillary's
right to answer the question asked of her about Obama's Rev. Wright
issue. Her benign response was outrageously demonized by the media. You're not only clever but you looked very cute this morning, as well. Have you had work done? Just kidding.

Today's theme? Enjoy the scenery!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV5hXsVpQQk&feature=related

Fry......we were talking once about war and peace and the art of war by sun tzu and I was wondering if you'd ever read the ANABASIS.....it's one you'd like if you havent.....

Pentagon Holds Thousands of Americans 'Prisoners of War'

By Penny Coleman, AlterNet. Posted March 26, 2008.

There are at least 60,000 of them, but they're not on the DoD's list of soldiers missing in action.

Here's how the Government treats our troops. Nazi Dick Heinrich Himmler Cheney calls them volunteers, however in reality they are not once there contract is over.

There slaves to the Death Machine of Adolph Bush and his illegal War and Occupation of Iraq.

Read a Winter Soldiers experience in Iraq at link below and see how the great Stop Loss is killing soldiers needlessly.

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/80461/

Hi, Craig!
Great commentary about the campaign on "Mornin' Joe" this morning! You make me want to be a better Democrat. I'm surprised they still have you on when you refuse to wave the Obama flag. Hang in there, man!

I just saw Craig on Morning Joe, and have a question about the following statement he made: "One problem with this poll, Joe, that I think needs to be fully explained, is there was an oversampling of African-Americans in this poll, in order to get the internal numbers more accurate. But there does seem to be a reflection in this poll of a higher percentage of African-Americans than in the voting pool at large, and that probably skewed things in Obama's favor given the lopsided numbers for him among African-Americans."

What? What basis do you have for interpreting the poll this way? Over-sampling does not necessarily mean overrepresentation, if the poll results were scaled appropriately to bring the "over sampled" polling of African Americans back in line with the proportion of African Americans in teh total population. What makes you think they don't know what they're doing? You just went on national TV and implied this... will you correct the record if you're wrong?

The real news out of the poll is that Hillary's numbers and "ceiling" are GOING DOWN.

I wish Tim Russert would stop lying!

Obama is NOT getting nor will he get the Independent Vote. To say that is an insult to the intelligence of anyone that understands U.S. political ideology.

Obama cannot even appeal to his base, [25% of Hillary supporters will vote McCain] how can an extreme left candidate appeal to independents in the general election.

Like I posted earlier and Joe said today as well...where will Obama's support go with independents when he has to define himself on guns, death penalty, abortion, gay marriage etc.

The pundits want Hillary out, all I can say to them is the same thing Mr. Spock said to Stonn "Stonn, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing as wanting." Translation: be careful what you wish for it just may come true.

--Heather

barry, my point is that this oversampling needs explanation, lest its results be subject to suspicion. what you wrote here is certainly more than we've heard from the pollster, who only revealed the oversampling without explanation

A hearty welcome to some of the newbies on the blog this morning. Come back early and often!

when god wants to punish us he (or she) answers our prayers.

arab proverb

P.S. Craig:
I forget to credit you also on election experience of Obama you mentioned on Morning Joe. One election against Alan Keys does not experience make.
Other than losing every office he ran for what is Alan Keys claim to fame other than an appointment post?

Sincerely,
Heather

Okay , if this doesn't get a laugh , nothing will. My Uncle Don sent an e-mail to my sister asking her to pray for my cousin Randy who is in the hospital with 4 boils on his "buttocks".

You can't pick your family, they are what they are, but you can pick your friends, and you can certainly and freely pick what church you go attend, and the pastor, priest, bishop, rabbi who presides over the services. BHO choose to stay with this one particular church and the Rev. Wright for 20 years. 20 years of nodding one's head in agreement with racist, hate American sermons. BHO must have like what he was hearing, he got married there and had his two daughters baptized there by the Rev. Wright.. Hillary has made some blunders in her campaign by being to soft and not going for the jugular early on. This is major flaw in BHO armor, and I hope HRC continues to expose this and other BHO personal flaws. This is the only way the MSM will report on BHO short-comings is if HRC brings them up.

sturgeone,

Can't say as I have, but I'll look it up. Thanks :-)

Craig, your analysis this morning was totally accurate as anyone who has dabbled in politics knows. It's a blood sport where the loser is dumped in a wheel barrow and carried off the field. Ask Gore. Ask Kerry. They know.

Your point that Mr Obama, as a candidate, has never faced a genuine Republican attack should not be ignored. I think he will be savaged in a campaign that will give new meaning to 'shock and awe'.

Sheila, in comment number 1 (ta-ta!) to this thread, suggests that he will take the high road if elected and that the country will respond to his leadership. I disagree.

I don't see any indication that the public, including moderate Democrats, will welcome a shift to a dramatically progressive administration.

The vast majority of Americans, I think, distrust candidates they believe to be at the polar extremes of policy. And, that's exactly where the Republicans will place Mr Obama by using his own words against him.

In the meantime, even right now, Mr McCain is shifting to a centrist position.

Actually Craig:
A more correct word in 7.35 am post would have been campaign experience as opposed to election experience, sorry about that.

--Heather

sturgeone,

LOL, right now I'm wading through the complete works of Flavius-Josephus. So it may be a while before I tackle ANABASIS, although a Goggle search seem pretty interesting.

perhaps loyalty trumps politics in Obama's mind. I am no longer a religious person, having left a church for their narrow views on homosexuality, but there are members and former members of that church that I remain loyal to. Heck, there are a couple I'd let borrow my toothbrush.

And frankly, Obama doesn't need to take the bait about Clinton's trip to Bosnia. The mainstream media squawking heads on MSNBC (I don't include you, Craig, just so you know) have made so much hay from this story (which, to me, is growing very tired indeed) that Obama could just enjoy his vacation and let them do his work for him last week.

obama may or may not get the independent vote.
he will not get the older white female vote' the most loyal' dedicated 'democrats.
i don't know much about women' but i do know they
don't take lightly being insulted 'ignored and
dismissed out of hand.and they have a long'' long''
memory'
if you don't believe me ask your wife what dumbass
thing you said in a argument ten years ago.
she will be able to qoute you word for word.

Heather, I bet you, as I, admire Mr Keyes for his passion and oratorical ability. But, in seeking election in Illinois, he was clearly perceived as a carpetbagger.

He certainly was never boring. :-)

Craig, you know I think you're great, but today I must take issue with a few things you mentioned on Morning Joe, First mentioning that Hillary answered the question about Rev. Wright," and that's what we all want, Politicians to answer question, then we complain about her when she did answer," the problem is when she wouldn't answer the question during the contraversy and avoided it like the plaque.

Secondly, when you mentioned that Obama hasn't had any real competition running against Republicans, Who exactly has Hillary run against that was so hard? Rick Lazio? If defending your arguement, you're counting President Clinton's runs for office for Hillary, that's a bit of a stretch.

Just calling it like I see it this morning.

JennBe: Hillary has faced the Republican attack machine in many ways and is still standing. Few would question her toughness and resilience.

"Can somebody tell me how Hllary did on the plastic surgeory show? I mean on Greta´s show?"

Jason,

It was pretty softball, but Sen. Clinton just gave straight forward answers. No fireworks, But Greta isn't the most intense questioner when faced with a real person rather than "celebrity film at 11".

Ally, you're right. She's proven herself to be solid brass.

Dear Flatus:
Even though I am the new kid on the block here, you seem to know me to a certain degree.

You are correct in your assessment I do admire Alan Keys, I find him honest and like Pat Buchanan a good advocate for Catholicism and he does have what I consider to be better oratory skills as compared to Obama, but thats just my opinion.

It is just that as far as political ideology is concerned we are worlds apart.

Sincerely,
Heather

From the WSJ

How the numbers look for Obama & Clinton.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120657950286167233.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

I don't really think this is the year that hope prevails, it may for Obama in the primaries but I am skeptical that he wins the general. The democratic party is on a path to some seismic event, probably kicking the Clinton's out or them leaving on their own, if the Obama faction wins.

If it becomes more radical towards the left, there will defections. Only two places to go, Republican or Inde. And it looks like with McCain the republican party has chosen more of a moderate that it might have.

Jason ------------------------------------

Video of Hillary on Greta´s show.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/

Hillary has not formally run for office against a credible Republican Canidate. And I'm not buying the arguement that she ia so tough when she spent weeks whining about press, being asked the 1st question in debates, saying she has been treated unfairly because she "misspoke", and now has her husband out thier saying let's just fight it out. Gimme a break, not you Ally, I'm refering to Sen. Clinton.

Craig: Loved the appearance. Got up early to watch it from Iowa.

I know that HIllary was vilified for her recent tactic to infer she would pick Obama for no. 2 if she won the nomination. However, I believe the message still resonated with many voters who find solace in the belief that she would pick Obama as a no. 2 but do not believe Obama would pick her for VP. There are many people who believe the key to victory in November is the Dream Ticket and do not accept the Nancy Pelosis of the world telling them that this is not possible. When the media and the Obama camp tell us this primary campaign is over, they are not talking to a few diehard Clinton supporters. They are talking to MOST DEMOCRATS because I believe that most democrats support Clinton and sorry, but last I heard we were nominating a Democratic candidate so why in the world don't Pelosi and Dean give a damn about the members of their own party?

Yes, I know, I know. Obama is ahead and it was "rude" to imply that he would be the VP. But the fact remains that neither candidate will win this thing without the Superdelegates and Hillary inferring who her VP candidate will be is a fair tactic in a campaign.

Dear Jennbe:

Had circumstances permitted Rudy Giuliani to run for the senate instead of Lazio she would have defeated him, although it is hard to prove a negative. That is just my opinion for what it's worth
Sincerely,
Heather

Rick Lazio did serve 4 terms in the US Congress. Keyes has zero experience serving as a legislator. So based on that Lazio was the more worthy opponent then BHO's Alan Keyes.

JennBe: I don't want to rehash the 90s or even the early years of the millennium but anyone who thinks Hillary has been given a free pass by the press or the right-wing attack machine must have been living in a cave or without access to newspapers or television for the last 16 years. She had to work her ASS OFF in the Senate to prover herself and she won over colleagues on both sides of the aisle. Unfortunately, I haven't seen the same workhorse ethic from Obama. Hope, yes. Results, not so much.

Heather, I don't buy that Rudy only left that race because of the Cancer scare. I think he also saw the writing on the wall that he would not win, he pretty much did the same in his run for the Republican nomination by hiding out in FL.

Flatus,

Alan Keyes is a professional "former ambassador and candidate" for which he gets paid handsomely on the rubber chicken circuit.

I remember the 90's very well, and from my perspective I remember her whining about "a vast, right wing conspiracy against her." Which also goes to my arguement against her toughness.

The fact she just didn't rest on her Husband's success, and went out to create a name for herself, should be commended and is a better argument for Hillary than the "I'm tough because I've been targeted by Republicans".

I think I need a stronger patch today, wonder if I can put two on?

Jennbe......some Allen Ginsburg for ya.....in re smoking.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCfACgnXj9E

Hillary's OTHER Fabrication -- Chelsy's Jogg on 911!

Writers, Dick Morris and Eileen McGann, disclose an even more outrageous Fabrication Hillary' has told the American public that has not been disclosed, until now. Here is an excerpt: "After Sept. 11, Hillary had a problem. New Yorkers were desperately focused on their own need for protection and they were saddled with a senator who was not one of them — an Arkansan, or was it a Chicagoan? Interviewed on the “Today Show” one week after Sept. 11, she spun an elaborate yarn. The kindest thing we could say was that it was a fantasy. Or a fabrication.

She said that Chelsea was jogging around the World Trade Center on Sept. 11 and happened to duck into a coffee shop when the airplanes hit. She said that this move saved Chelsea’s life. But Chelsea told Talk magazine that she was in a friend’s apartment four miles from ground zero when the first plane hit. Her friend called her, waking her up, and told her to turn on the TV. On television, she saw the second plane hit, disproving Hillary’s claim that “she heard the plane hit. She heard it. She did.”

So why did Hillary make up the story about Chelsea? Most likely to was because her co-senator (and implicit rival for the voters’ affection), a real New Yorker, Charles Schumer (D), spoke of his daughter, who attended Stuyvesant High School, located next to the Trade Center, being at real risk on Sept. 11. Hillary needed to make herself part of the scene.

She invented the entire story on national television, the “Today Show,” and didn’t blink an eye. Her fabrication on the “Today Show” was no unique foray. It is her standard M.O. It gives us pause in evaluating all of her stories and calls into question her entire credibility." (From the Hill Blog, Mar. 27, 08)

It seems Hillary will do anything to win. This week, Hillary, a consumate Actress & Mistress of Spin, (=s Phony) sat down with her arch enemey, Richard Mellon Scaife the Pittsburgh Gazette, the very one who during her White House years accused her of the murder of Vince Foster and said that Bill and she had committed 60 murders to hide their crimes, in an ill-advised and ill-timed manner to re-introduce the Rev. Wright issue -- by the way, the very Rev. Wright that they Invited to the White House. Then they sent out Sen. McGovern to re-introduce the Gender Fight, so now we have a racial and gender fight to instigate more division while trying to Divert attention from her Big Gaf, the Bosnia Tale of Sniper Fire, which we all know now is a complete Fabrication told THREE times, which is a betrayal of the public trust and goes right to the Heart of character. They somtimes even Stage their audiences. They have been telling these Tall Tales for years and this time got caught. However, the American People do Demand that thier Politicians be trustworthy and truthful! And, if it was not for Rush Limbaugh, and Bill's visit to Rush during the Texas Primarys, Barack would have won Texas but for the 100,000 Republican votes casted for Hillary which put her slightly over the top. However, the Republicans who vote for Barack, genuinely like him unlike the Republicans who vote for Hillary, as a way to "bloody" Barack up, as stated by Rush Limbaugh! As for her Tonya Harding, Tonya was sent packing in disgrace! As for Hillary's scheme to make Barack look "unelectable", I say "Chickens Coming Home to Roost"! I say No More "Do and Say Anything" Politicians!

JennBe: I don't think she imagined the right-wing conspiracy at all. I think it was real. Of course I am probably just towing the party line for the wife of the only Democratic President to be elected to two terms since Franklin Roosevelt who left office with a 65% approval rating, the highest for any President who left office since World War II. Just call me a loyal Democrat. Boy this country has a short memory.

Thanks Sturge, that was hilarious and helped to calm me down.

oooops.....I never watched the whole thing before......lol

Jamie said, "Alan Keyes is a professional "former ambassador and candidate" for which he gets paid handsomely on the rubber chicken circuit."

Of course.

I was thinking of him as a candidate primarily from his 'presence' in the debates. He is brilliant, He can dissect an onion, getting to the core, while retaining each of the removed layers.

He is just so far to the right, that he is unelectable (thank goodness).

I distrust anyone who speaks with absolute certainty about anything involving humans.

I understand Ally, I have always been a loyal Republican, until my party went awry(sp.?) in the past few years.

Craig,
is it possible for us (US citizens living abroad) to see your appearances somewhere online?
Thnx....

Furthermore,
I will repeat what I said days earlier...Please see the Hillary before Maggie Williams, and the Hillary since Maggie Williams.... A wolrd of difference.
relaxed, energized and beaming...
Hillary will wear Barrack out, and then some

Jamie & Gordo, thnx for the info. I think her strongest comment was about the seating of the FL & Mi delegates. She just said: they WILL be seated. STRONG.....

I like THIS Hillary!

I distrust anyone who speaks with absolute certainty about anything involving humans.

Posted by: Flatus | March 27, 2008 8:46 AM

How about humans who start off sentences with the word "most" as in "most americans," or "most democrats," or "most african-americans" etc....one of the constructs which irks me.......

Jason:

http://www.youtube.com/user/POLExpediters

Sturge, I made it through 3 minutes, if that played everytime I thought about smoking, it would only take a day and I'd never think of smoking again.

I woke up at 3:00 a.m. and thought ... Craig live ... rolled over and went back to sleep. Hope you get the video up soon.

MSNBC seems to be finally getting a bit of the message. They will broadcast both candidates speeches on the Economy.

The Hunting of the President

"This feature documentary focuses on the 10 year campaign to destroy President William Jefferson Clinton and First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton. Based on the best-selling book The Hunting of the President by authors Joe Conason and Gene Lyons, the film reveals how the antagonists sought to drive President Clinton and his administration out of office. Going behind the scenes, filmmakers identify a loose cabal of enemies who were motivated by spite, ideological zeal and personal gain. It also depicts the story of how the media was abused in the process, as news organizations and their reporters succumbed to this scandal phenomena in an unprecedented reversal of muckraking journalism."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eGX0m7syrRo

I think I would risk death rather than look like this.

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2008/03/mccains_rogue_s/

Jack

Thanks Gordo, I won't even try to defend the Republicans that went after Bill Clinton for his personal life. I did not agree with that, there were far more policy driven issues that could have been debated. Republicans wasting thier time with that campaign was the beginning of problems for the situation my party is now.

re: Obama's loyalty to Rev Wright

Loyalty, allegiance, fidelity all imply a sense of duty or of devoted attachment to something or someone. Loyalty connotes sentiment and the feeling of devotion that one holds for one's country, creed, family, friends, in this case a preacher who preaches bigotry, hatred and falsehoods and anti- American beliefs to a minority population.

I can't see this loyalty as a positive for Obama - in any shape or form. I see many question marks and poor judgment.

bachangel

that story is false and you no it ,,,,,clinton never said that ........... it was a story made up by dick morris and has been written about and debunked

Unfortunately don't have time this morning to read everyone's comments

:-(

will try to catch-up later

Just wanted to say that Craig was GREAT on MoJo today...thanks for calling Mika out. ROFL

how about MSNBC reporting rev wright's anti israel and anti italian writings .....i almost fell over ....i usually just click them on and off ........

"Her answer is very typical of the BHO cult following crowd, and so very scary."

Agreed, Fry. And it reminds me what happened when the country elected a president they wanted to drink a beer with.

...thanks for calling Mika out. ROFL
--Wendy

Ohhhhhhhh Craig said something about Mika and I missed it??? Does anyone have the interview??

A reporter asked Hillary a question about the Pastor the other day and she answered it but the media is making out like she brought it up. Now a candidate can't answer any questions anymore without it being accused of bringing up different issues. Give us a break.

I am so curious about this:

Just on Faux News "Male Birth Control Pill
I would love to see the contraindications on this pill LOL *Caution a small but significant amount of males tested reported, loss of body hair, flaring hips, puffy breasts, loss of facial hair, mood swings, possible desire to raid the wife's boudoir bloating and irritability" :-))

Please discuss this medication with your doctor.

The funny part was the doctor they interviewed said once the men stop taking the medication the sperm *should* return to normal. LOL hardly reassuring to men!

I cannot see any man willing to take take this snake oil.

--Heather :-))

Time to Hear Obama's Speech now

good morning gang....

getting ready to walk out the door and catch the bus to Mont Tremblant....

I'll be back online Monday.....
until then..... everyone take care and don't beat each other up too badly.... :)

Morning all.

Here's a must-read from today's Wall Street Journal. It's a level-headed, statistical analysis of the numbers from Florida and Michigan...and proposes a solution for a way out of the mess. Basic solution is to seat Florida as is, and seat Michigan with a total adjusted in favor of Obama. The link:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120657950286167233.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

BHO looks worn out...his eyes look puffy. He must have had one of those "I feel more tired than before I left" vacations...

Goodness I am a Prophet:
In an earlier posting I said the GOP war machine would paint Obama as a tax and spend extreme liberal and lo and behold before the messiah Obama's speech is even completed McCain as called him a "tax and spend liberal lol

As Betty Davis said "Fasten your seat belts its going to be a bumpy ride"

--Heather

As I see it now, the media and Obama's campaign have set it up so he can't lose. Even when he goes down in flames in the general, and he will, they will be able to blame the Clintons. I guess that's the price Bill had to pay for eight years of economic growth and not sending soldiers to die for bullshit wars.

This is a country so in need of some sort of messiah, some new religiosity, that the populace will invent it if need be. So many Obama supporters remind me SO much of the rabid Bushies. Very, Very similar personalities.

And just so nobody forgets, a hell of a lot of pundits and economists believed NAFTA was a solid move ahead. Including Lou Dobbs, I might add.

Heather: The good news is that at least Obama will "tax and spend" as opposed to the last 8 years where Bush has "cut tax and spend." I think fiscal responsibility will be a losing argument for Republicans this year...

I think the 3rd option in the WSJ piece would work and be fair to all. Then the rest of the states would have a say on who wins.

The third option would be to let the early primary votes stand, and select delegates according to the outcome. On a statistical basis, this is clearly the right result for Florida. The easiest solution for Michigan is to simply award the 45% of the vote uncommitted or for another candidate to Mr. Obama. This appears to be the intent of those voters, as well as the likely result of a rematch. It would reduce Mr. Obama's current edge in pledged delegates to 115 from 167. It would also reduce the adjusted popular-vote margin, that converts caucus votes to primary votes, to an edge for Mr. Obama of 466,000. If Mrs. Clinton wins Pennsylvania by the margin polls now suggest, the two candidates would be essentially tied in popular votes, with an Obama edge in delegates of about 80. That would leave the remaining primaries and the superdelegates to decide the outcome of an essentially tied race.

Dear Patsi:
You took the words right out of my mouth :-))

P.S. this Obama speech is once again long on rhetoric and short on substance, just a ploy to the super delegates and the media and that Abraham Lincoln podium is over the top.

Is Obama getting desperate?

--Heather

obama to aides'' more flags ''we need more flags

Dear Ally:
Two wrongs don't make a right I agree with you about Bush but get back to me when property taxes double under Obama.

Sincerely,
Heather

WOW...MSNBC actually cut off BHO's speech...yikes!!

It was cut because its all rhetoric and no substance lol
:-))

Craig, thanks for your reply re: "over-sampling" in the recent poll.

Josh Marshall says that the NBC is telling him that the results were weighted to compensate for the over-sampling of African-Americans.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/185845.php

the only thing missing in Obama's speech was Peter Paul and Mary in the background softly singing "If I Had a Hammer"

:-))
--Heather

Guys,
what a great analysis in the WSJ,

Thanks for da tip LL
This must be put out everywhere.
Think the analysis is quite strong. The third option would be in my opinion a very good one, in fact the only feasible one...

I have a pancake craving with heavy syrup..I think I will stroll oustide my office to go get some....

Caught breakfast at the local McDs
Saw a Tee Shirt from the hood.
Couldn't read it all but this stood out.

It is MEXICAN
Not Hispanic.

Then some thing at the bottom about Hispanic means Spain. and something else I couldn't read with out grabbing the person and making them stand still.

Made me chuckle, as I remember several people throwing around Hispanic in a very inclusive manner.

When I was framing we had a crew of Guatamalans working down the street. The Mexicans on our crew would get very pissed if you confused them with Mexicans.

Jack

polls are wieghted? oversampling?
i think i'll just wait on the next poll
or better yet the penn. primary results

the polls are fiction......they tell a story.....whose story? it all depends.

When I read the WSJ article thought it was a well reasoned and reasonable approach to correcting the FL/MI dilemma.

That said, I fear I have crossed some undefinable threshold, when I find myself agreeing with the WSJ and for that matter some of what is written in National Review, (such as Geraghty) rather than comments by supposed allies. I contrast that to the loud-mouthed rantings of the likes of Ed Schultz this am on msnbc, which resulted in my pressing the remote (many thanks to the inventor of that simple little item--what did we do before that)

Heather: Property taxes fund local government. And...my property taxes way more than doubled the last 5 years I lived in the Seattle area due to appreciation in home value, not necessarily the tax rate.

Heather, Republicans will call all Democrats (Hillary included) Tax and spend extreme liberals. LOL!

Have a good weekend Renee!

Okay, gotta go get some cleaning done this morning.

Obama doesn't want a re-vote in Mich. and Florida.

Why? Because he would lose..

So much for the empowerment guy..

Brrrock Brrock Brrock..what a chicken..

good morning USA time, good afternoon Belgium time... Quickly hanging out the garlic to keep the vampires out and making a pentagram against Those Who Cannot BE Named.. thus, we will all get along and eventually hold virtual hands and sing KUMBAYA.

I am pleased that the major DEM donors supporting Hillary Clinton called out Nancy Pelosi's declarations regarding Super-delegates. Don't get me wrong, I think of SDs compared to elected delegates as I think of the super-rich interest income compared to actual salaries. Neither the SDs and Interest income are earned, they are just basically handed out to people to keep the masses in line. But such is our system, and the SDs should vote whom they best believe can win the election.

And its about time for both Clinton and Obama to figure out a way to make a "dream team" ticket going into the general in November. Otherwise I really do think that McCain has a good shot at winning this.

Seat the goddamn Florida delegates and prescribe a revote in Michigan. And someone kick Howard Dean into the last century please :-) Said with much love...

EuroTom

Brrrock Brrock Brrock..what a chicken..
--Oregon Democrat

LMAO...that's funny!!

"When I was framing we had a crew of Guatamalans working down the street. The Mexicans on our crew would get very pissed if you confused them with Mexicans."

Interesting post Jack....and it becomes a real problem. In the years I lived down the street from Corky Gonzalez's compound In Denver he insisted on Chicano, which I believe he coined. But I know Mexicans who prefer Mexican and others who are outraged. Epecially a couple of South American women who consider themselves far superior! ha...That's why if I sort of get to know a South of the Border person I usually ask where they are from.

Tricky...hispanic, latino, Mexican, chicano....maybe we should just use the term southerners...

Patsi,

if I am not mistaken Chicano refers to American born Latinos

Mexicans obviously refer to those that are from Mexico

Latinos are of Latin blood in this hemisphere

Hispanics as I know it are used intertwined with Latinos but more accurately from Spain.

there are probably as many definitions as there are people defining them so don't shoot me if I am wrong. It doesn't happen much but enough to raise some doubt about me. :)

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

Craig:

HRC and FOX seem to be keeping the story alive - so obviously Obama has to address it. The media is still giving the Wright issue slanted coverage.

So quit claiming it is Obama that is "race baiting." He already has the black vote.

Heather:

"Obama is NOT getting nor will he get the Independent Vote. To say that is an insult to the intelligence of anyone that understands U.S. political ideology."

Obama has my vote. As well as the votes of many other Independents I know.

Craig,

You've always been one of my favorite pundits because you're always so objective, which is refreshing these days.

I voted for Obama, in Florida, but I soon started to believe this guy isn't who he says (or thinks) he is. I read about this Wright controversy months ago before the television media and most of America picked up on it. I'll tell you why I think the Wright controversy is a big problem for Obama and will continue to be an even bigger issue if he does get the nomination.

While it's true, adults can "cherry pick..." most of us do suffer from selective listening... and it is somewhat possible that Obama could sit in that church on Sunday and not believe a word that Wright said, I think that most people who aren't totally in the tank for Obama agree that it's not all that plausible, and I think Obama knows that. That's why he keeps talking about it. He's trying to justify his own irony.

A church is a very personal thing, and while most people may not agree with a doctrine or two, most people don't go to a church that they totally disagree with. They just don't go. That aside, the real problem for me is that Obama subjects his girls to that hatred.

Children develop their value systems between six and eight years of age. For Obama to expose his girls to Wright's ranting tells me at some deep level Obama agrees that it's okay for the girls to hear those words. He's got to understand that his daughters may grow up with the same values and attitudes as Wright by subjecting them to that rhetoric at such an impressionable age. Even if he and Michelle go home after every sermon and tell the girls not to believe a word that they just heard (which is unlikely and outrageous to think that would happen) the fact remains that this will have some impact on his daughters and this is what carries this type of hatred from one generation to another.

Okay, maybe Obama's just a bad parent. Maybe he doesn't really want racism to go away? Still, I think you get my point that healthy adults just don't continuously expose themselves to things they don't agree with. They "turn the channel," and they certainly don't let their kids watch.

Why is this a problem for Obama's presidential bid? Well, Ken Blanchard put it the best: "People are more apt to trust and respect you when what you say and what you do are one in the same."

also, Patsi to your comment about the two women that consider themselves far superior this is a common occurrence with Spaniards when they encounter Mexicans and they certainly don't like the way they speak. (accent) I have seen the same thing with certain Britons and turning their noses up to American dialect.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

What hard fought election has HRC won? Getting elected as a Dem in NYC (and the most famous woman in the world) ain't that hard.

She is lucky Rudy didn't run.

I think this is the only legitimate hard fought election either candidate has been in - and guess what - Obama is winning!!

Euro Tom,
How is the weather in Belgium? Amsterdam is not that good. Just had my fist pancake of the day..... I think I will keep it at that.

Anybody up for the third option of the WSJ idea?
I am for it 100%. Just discussed it with a colleague here who is independent, leaning towards Hill (we both come from Fl and are on a 2 year secondment to Amsterdam) and he thinks it would be the best final solution......

Mary Kay:

"That aside, the real problem for me is that Obama subjects his girls to that hatred."

You are really starting to cross the line.

Those sound bites are not reflective of what Obama's daughters have heard and you know it.

Warren,

One person does not make a parade. I do not think that he will get a substantial (IOW enough to help) Independents in the general election should he be nominated.

Right now the republicans are just sitting on the sideline planning strategy and sharpening their knives. Anything that you hear right now is just little jabs, just keeping loose before the big contest.

John McCain's Phoenix pastor, Dan Yeary, is a folksy patriotic Southern Baptist who opposes abortion and believes homosexuality to be a biblical sin, but says Christians have an obligation to love such sinners.

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/mccains.pastor.a.sharp.contrast.to.obamas/17481.htm

(And guess what - no one in the GOP is backing away from those statements.)

Bowmanc:

"One person does not make a parade. I do not think that he will get a substantial (IOW enough to help) Independents in the general election should he be nominated."

Thanks for your biased and pessimistic prediction. What party are you in again?

Obama does better than HRC with Independents - that is not up for debate.

And Russert had an interesting stat: Against Clinton - McCain gets 95% of the GOP vote and HRC gets 5%. So much for the base not liking McCain. Hillary will drive the base right into his arms and allow him to pander to the center.

Wake up people. Hillary is getting closer and closer to unelectable in the Fall. Those negatives are only getting higher. She better start focusing on her message - and let the GOP tear Obama down.

(And tell Bill Clinton to shut the fuck up!!)

HRC?
Most famous woman in the world?
Warren ...... Really?????
Either you are out of touch whit reality or you live 12 miles under the sea level...

I suggest u start reading Time or Forbes or whatever magazine to get to know the worlds most famous woman....

and......
Obama is winning up till now.. keep your eyez on da prize bro...The HRC express left its station..and it doesn´t stop for chickens.......Brrrrock Brrrrrrock Brrrrrock

Dooty
Those are good working definitions IMO.
But they do have the problem of being very USAcentric.

Several years ago, I was talking to a neighbor who was born and raised in MexicoCity. I ask him a general question about ethnic identity, he told me, he thought of himself as Italian. His mothers family came from Italy to Mexico after WWII. He even got out his collection of Italian love songs and played them for me.

Jack

Jason:

Who is the world's most famous woman?

(And keep up the childish antics - it only makes my points all the more convincing. I thought with all those tennis lessons - your arguments in support of HRC might be a bit more intellectually stimulating....)

" It doesn't happen much but enough to raise some doubt about me. :)"

Doots....yes, it really doesn't come up much....certainly not like in Corky's day! ROFL!

I did love that neighborhood though. Maybe it was a little like living in a Mafia neighborhood, but since my kids were often thought to be ethnic -- all the way from Italian to Mexican to, once we moved to TN, black -- I never worried about them in Corky's area.

As far as the language thing goes....I remember the split in my little Southwet Kansas home town...the Mexicans who had lived there forever REALLY looked down on the migrant workers who came through during the beet picking season!

Dea Ally:
I understand, but the economy was different in last five years with the economy the way it is now Increasing insurance rates, higher property taxes may cause more foreclosures.

Sincerely,
Heather

hi Jack,

I can only speak to the USAcentric because that is where I live. ask your framing buddies about how color of ones skin plays in Mexico. All the Mexicans I know say the darker the skin the less others care for them.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

What hard fought election has Barack Obama won? Getting elected as a Dem in Illinois running against Alan Keyes ain't that hard.

He is lucky Jeri Ryan's husband wasn't able to run (after all the kinky sex charges forcing him to drop). He is also lucky that John Kerry chose him to give the keynote address to create a national platform to run as senator.

I think this is the only legitimate hard fought election either candidate has been in - and guess what - NEITHER is winning!!

I always thought the Mother Mary was the most famous woman in the world.

"(And tell Bill Clinton to shut the fuck up!!)"

This is the new and hopeful world Obama hath wrought. Some little punk who never did a damn thing for society using that kind of language as a weapon against one of our best presidents. Warren, how about taking your own advice. The Obama people have now officially made me physically ill.

I don't want to elect a President to "manage" the Iraq War "better."

The Iraq War which results in - American troops losing their lives, Iraqis being ravaged by attacks and a refugee crisis, drains our economy, lowers our status in the world and does not make America safer - cannot be "managed better." The concept is flawed.

I want to elect Obama to end the Iraq War.

God BLESS America

Patsi:

Guess what neither you or I are running for President. So quit attributing everything I say (or Rev. Wright says) to Obama.

And I am a some little punk - what are you?

We are having snow flurries in Salem..very unusual this time of year..I[m off with my Hillary signs for a couple of hours..

Ok Warren, I got your call
You know
When I asked my dad a question that was rather easy or easy to attain information he always told me: "Jason, take that book ad look it up, or watch the 8 o clock news tonight". Always poking me to go out and search for it myself

That inspired me to learn on my own and to grow immensely. I suggest you do the same, educate yourself about the worlds most famous woman, and after that come back and then say something that is actaully true instead of once again making false claims

And for the childish antics: I think we all poke fun at one another one time or another..But probably you are not a fan. No worries bro. It´s all good

One more saying from my grandmother: If ya can´t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Dear Warren:
With all due respect , Tim Russert and the polls are wrong in the general Obama will not get independents. Independents are not fiscal liberals lol. You cannot seem to grasp and understand that Warren.
He will lose 28% of Hillary's base in the general that will vote in the general election, actually worse that 28% will go to McCain.

Warren do you understand the political ideology of the average independent? Trust me its not liberal

If the Democratic Party Nominates Obama they will go down in flames in the general, it will be Reagan/Mondale all over again. McCain with things as they are should at this time be trailing in polls by at least 15-20 points and he is 2 points ahead of either Hillary or Obama.

Warren do you understand the risk of a landslide victory for McCain, it will mean coattails and loss of control of at the very least the senate and a mandate for McCain. Those are the ramifications, is that what you are willing to risk with Obama Warren?
Sincerely,
Heather

I don't know if anyone else gives a "s" about this but this is what Wikipedia has to say about Hispanic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

Tom,
"What hard fought election has Barack Obama won? Getting elected as a Dem in Illinois running against Alan Keyes ain't that hard."

I wasn't arguing that Barack had a difficult run for his prior elections. I was arguing Craig's statement that he didn't think Obama had ever run a campaign that that would battle test him. He stated something to that effect on MOJO this morning. I was stating that Hillary also hasn't had any tough runs for office in her belt either, and that I didn't counting her Husband's runs for office should count for her because it was not her running for those offices.

That's all, Congrats on 13 days sugar free!!!

Jenn

the democratic party needs more people like bill clinton and james carvillie'' people who actually know how to win a national election''' you want to fall in behind john kerry'' ted kennedy and all the rest of
'' the gang that could'nt shoot straight'' then you will lose every time.they only know how to lose
carville' yea i said it ' want me to say it again in case you did'nt get it the first time
the republicans are not going to give up power
somebody has to be strong enough to take it

Another Neighborhood story

When I first moved into the neighborhood , getting close to 20 years now, one of the first people I met was Angelo. He is an elderly Puerto Rican. He is also a drunk. That night I was sitting on my front porch as he staggered down the side walk. He stopped and offered me a beer and set down. Angelo has never perfected his English, so understanding him is hard but I did understand this. He wagged a drunken finger at me and said"No Mexicano!" then pointing to himself he said "American". It was important to him that I understand that he wasn't like the new arrivals.

Angelo has six daughters, one of them married a Guatamalan, one married a Mexican, and another married some one from one of the islands down there. The rest married Anglos of various shades and colors. When he has the family all together for the holidays he can have his own OAS convention.

Jack

Mary Kay...

Most churches that I have been too, not for awhile now though, usually have the children in Sunday School during the service or send them to the play area just before any sermon.

It is unjust for you or anyone to insinuate that Obama may be a bad parent.

I can not believe that now you and the others here would even imply that he's a bad parent. This is a new low you Clinton supporters have now sunk too.

If you want to talk about bad parents how about having a cheating husband and accepting it when you have children?

EuroTom:

My point is that Clintonites make this argument against Obama as if it does not apply equally to HRC - and it does!

"guess what - NEITHER is winning!!"

Contests won:
Obama - 30
Clinton - 14

Delegates:
Obama - 1413
Clinton - 1242

Super Delegates (since Feb. 5):
Obama - +48
Clinton - -5

Popular Vote (incl. FL):
Obama - 13,931,453
Clinton - 13,508,949

Please explain your definition of "winning."

Euro Tom,
How is the weather in Belgium? Amsterdam is not that good. Just had my fist pancake of the day..... I think I will keep it at that.

Anybody up for the third option of the WSJ idea?
I am for it 100%. Just discussed it with a colleague here who is independent, leaning towards Hill (we both come from Fl and are on a 2 year secondment to Amsterdam) and he thinks it would be the best final solution......

Hi Jason, it is cloudy and rainy and I am pissed off because my best worker just gave her notice. Other than that, it's cool. My little artist is back in Italy til 8 May so on top of everything else, I am lonely. grrrr.

Why are you in Amsterdam? It can't just be the coffee shops. :-)

"Tricky...hispanic, latino, Mexican, chicano....maybe we should just use the term southerners..."

Good one Patsi!
How about 2030- American Citizens..2050- the Majority lol

Patsi,

here is what Wiki says about Corkey Gonzales

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodolfo_Gonzales

he was quite a fellow. He was one of the founders of the Chicano Movement. Viva La Raza!

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

Yes Brain and all the polls are saying the same thing What a wide variety, lol
Sincerely,
Heather

Heather:

"Tim Russert and the polls are wrong in the general Obama will not get independents. Independents are not fiscal liberals lol. You cannot seem to grasp and understand that Warren.

He will lose 28% of Hillary's base in the general that will vote in the general election, actually worse that 28% will go to McCain."

How come Tim Russert and the polls he cites are "wrong" - but you and the polls you cite are correct?

And while I appreciate it - I am not swayed by your lectures regarding political ideaology. I watched every GOP debate, have many Republican and Independent friends - and I think I have a pretty good sense of what I am talking about.

And based on all that I have watched - I can tell you exactly what would be used as a wedge issue with respect to political ideaology - government mandates on Health Care!! The GOP took several shots at this during their debates.

So please engage me in a conversation - instead of dismissing me as ignorant, naive, spellbound, etc.

Warren my definition of "winning" is getting to the end of the goddamned primaries, seating the Florida vote, re-vote in Michigan, and see who gets to the magic number.

mqw:

"the republicans are not going to give up power
somebody has to be strong enough to take it"

If Obama can take power from the Clintons - who by no means are willing to give it up - than I think he will do just fine against the GOP thank you.

Plus, I don't share your fear of the Republicans. Most of those yahoos are wrong on almost every issue. And they have the track record to prove it.

Hey Jenn, I wasn't making the comment to you, but in response to Warren. He likes it when I turn his messages around :-) ... Hey, we might be supporting different candidates, but we're on the same team in getting off of sugar and other bad nasties that aren't good for us. I really loved your posts in my blog. Thanks for the encouragement.

Much love from me.

warren except for bill clinton ' they have a pretty good track record

Great idea EuroTom. So after three more months of bitter fighting and bad blood - we can come to the same conclusion that we would right now.

That is the Washington way. Why do now - what we can put off till later...

(You sound so "experienced.")

Dear Warren:

It was not my intent to dismiss you as "ignorant naive spellbound" If I came across that way then I apologize. Please allow me to clarify that I am not going by polls but rather political history.

Warren please allow me to ask you this, in the last 50 years what liberal democrat has won in the general election?

Please know Warren I respect and like you its not my intention to demean you in any way. On most things we agree, just not on Obama.

Sincerely,
Heather <3 :-))

EuroTom,
No, I am going for my Phd in business economics and came accross a great professor who was willing to give me a spot for two years in Amsterdam to do teh research about the FED and the ECB.....

I never go to the coffee shop bro. This black man has his head on str8. No drinking, , no smoking...LOL

Come to think about it, I´m pretty broing....

This group is very international though.

Back to topic,
Can I get an AMEN for the WSJ article. The more we talk about it over here, the more feasible it gets. Can some send this to that stubborn, pig headed, elepant who heads the DNC?

"but you can pick your friends"

If I choose to reject any friend of mine who ever said a racist comment - I would not have many friends.

And if we threw everyone off this blog who every made a racist comment - it would be a pretty quiet place.

Why don't you go listen to Obama's speech: A More Perfect Union.

Brain:

I have no clue as to what you are talking about:
Popes, Fatal Attraction, ordination, coronations?
What point are you trying to make?

--Heather

Good one Lew!

" Americans in this day and age have to pay for issues that they didn't cause and shouldn't have to fix. But nonetheless we are stuck with the tab."-Kareem Abdul Jabbar

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kareem-abduljabbar/those-hidden-costs_b_93482.html

Thanks Tom, you are a sweetheart! Are you still watching Lost?

Heather:

History is important - and so it the current political climate when it comes to the general election.

And the history and facts are is that this country is pretty evenly divided between Democrats and Republicans (except all the new voters registering to vote Obama help the Dems out this year).

Clinton vs. McCain results in the same old partisan battle that Democrats have been consistently losing.

Obama presents a chance to win Independents, new voters and some Republicans. Remember - NEITHER side is happy with their party. And everyone wants change.

And who represents change between Obama and McCain?

And everyone talks about the so-called liberal agenda... Ending the War, making healthcare more affordable, taxing the super rich to help the poor - and every other issue that Obama and Clinton AGREE on - is not far left!!

And even if it is - 60-70% of Americans are in favor of that agenda this year.

Jason:

"No drinking, , no smoking..." and you live in Amsterdam?!?

Are you a Mormon or something?

Well Guys and Gals, another bandwidth fest. I'll spare yall and just post this for now. It helps explain why Wright is not going away and how the Wright connections will likely grow towards the other end of Obama's credibility problem. So let me begin there first:

Let’s Dance the Auchi Hooti

Step One Hooti is arrested for spying for Saddam
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7315752.stm

Step Two Hooti worked with Cairs, …who are they?
http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/109.pdf

Step Three More about Hooti and his friends at CAIRS
http://counterterrorismblog.org/2007/12/special_panel_summarized_holy.php

Step Four More about the US Saddam connections and the food for oil scams
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/03/breaking_-_feds.html\

Step Five More on the Saddam, Galloway and the Three Amigos
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/002/605fgcob.asp?pg=
1

To summarize; Saddam and his Ba’athist friends used oil and money in an attempt to influence US opinion while profiting themselves. Some of these intermediaries helped groups like Cairs channeled money to Hamas and promote anti-American and anti-Semitic propaganda which has led to a series of indictments and confusing Federal action. (see Step Four). We can see a web of individuals and organizations involved in a network promoting radical views of Hamas and attempts at buying political support .

Step Six Obama-Rezko-Auchi
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/obamas_iraqi_oil_for_food_conn.html

To summarize: It is striking that Auchi and Hooti both were involved in the food for oil scandal. There are some similarities. There is of course, a connection between Auchi and Rezko. And then there is the connection between Rezko and Khadili. There is lastly another thing to ponder: Jesse Jackson Jr., the co-chair of Obama’s campaign (he is a State Congressman from Illinois) has met with Cairs, We can only wonder at the moment if Rezko or Auchi had any overlap of associations with Hooti.

It is important to note that Obama was on the board of the Wood Fund between 1999 and 2002. Besides including William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, the former terrorists bombers, as board members, another group, founded by Obama’s friend Khadili, the AAAN (Arab American Action Network), who oppose the creation of Israel, received funding. Also the American Friends Service Committee (AFSC): a "Radical Quaker organization that supports America's unilateral disarmament [and that backed] the Vietnamese Communists, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro, and the PLO." was a beneficiary of assistance. What a fine list of investments Woods Fund supported and the list is much larger. What were the sources for the Wood Fund and what connections exist between those groups already mentioned above and those represented at the Wood Fund? Is there a connection at Woods Fund to Auchi or Rezko? Is there similarity of ideology between many of those groups at the Woods Fund and the groups already mention above? And what about the connections with the crew below?

Step Seven Wright, Jackson, Farrakhan, Meeks, Sharpton
http://washingtontimes.com/article/20080324/EDITORIAL02/239056577/1013/EDITORIAL

To summarize: These people above refuse to denounce or reject each other. It is yet to be seen to what degree any of them has association to the groups and individuals mentioned above, which include, Cairs, the Holy Land, AAAN, etc Does Auchi or Hooti cross the Step Seven celebrities? Does Rezko? What associations does PUSH share with the individuals and groups mentioned?

I hope you liked that dance. It covered a lot of ground and I will leave it to the reader to determine where Obama fits in all of this. There are critical connections yet to be made and the pressure towards full disclosure runs from the Hooti end to the Jackson/Wright/ Farrakhan end. There is certainly an abundance of anti-American, anti-Semitic views, including transactions with the Middle East that deserve scrutiny and denunciation if not prosecution. It is quite easy to imagine that this circle of ideology, activity and influence thus described will yield new revelations. Any number of them could further entangle Obama in a circle of his own making.

And for all you people arguing that the Democratic sky is falling and that the candidates will never unify:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080327/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_romney

You Democrats could learn a thing or two from the GOP.

"All the Mexicans I know say the darker the skin the less others care for them"

That is probably true. Iknow one thing that was interesting is the way they use Indio(Indian) as an insult.

That is probably why my neighbor was proud of his mothers Italian background rather than his fathers more generic Mexican background.

Jack

"And I am a some little punk - what are you?"

I am a Democrat.

And yes, Tom, my frustrattion is boiling over. On the Hillary side we are CONTINUALLY told to play nice....even when people take the cheapest shots in the world. Sorry -- but if I have to just listen to this crap and say, "Oh, how cute" -- then I'm in the wrong blog.

Patsi, I got a voodoo doll, do you think that will help? Just kidding, I am frustrated and down too, much of it work related. I think it's naive to suggest Hillary stop. What happened to John Kerry's mantra of "make every vote count"??? So easy to toss that idea out the door.

Talk to you later... off to bring some documents to work.. It never ends.

Heather,

"I cannot see any man willing to take take this snake oil."

Or any woman stupid enough to believe any man seeking sexual relations who says, "Trust Me". lol

Doots -- that was an ineresting Wiki piece....more about language...I hadn't thought of it in those terms. This conversation also reminded me of a Brazilian I knew in Denver -- they truly believe they are the aristocracy of all the Americas....lol.

Also, my very first Great Love in college was a 6'4" b-ball player named Vega. (shortened a generation earlier from de la Vega) He was quick to point out that he was of Spanish, not Mexican heritage....yet another lol.

Just a regular US citizen, who is not amazed by a sudden change in rules or restrictions. Life is good as it is, without smoking or drinking.
Seen as my serve-volley game is scandalously good, and my serve is picking up speeds nowaways I intend on staying that way..."What you don´t miss, you don´t need my boy..."

Got a call from my mom, who went to collect my mail in Fl..She said that two letters from DNC had come in.She didn´t open. Did someone also get mail from DNC?

"If you want to talk about bad parents how about having a cheating husband and accepting it when you have children?"

Most men that talk this way are homophobic, suffer from ED and are religious fanatics.

Guys,
Once again nice to have you on today. Going into a quick meeting and then head home for some R&R.
Hasta manana :))

Craig, please ignore my earlier long post which "the owner must review". before posting. I think you will find the following a much better way to post it. This version I edited just for your enjoyment.

Enjoy.....

http://stubbornfacts.us/random/baghdad_jim_mcdermott_and_the_precious#comment-13768

I call it Let's Dance the Auchi Hanooti

I hope it will explain why Wright and the Pastoral Problem will not fade away. Even more importantly, I hope readers see the links between the Wright Problem and the Auchi Problem. And there is a whole lot of in between of which Hanooti is a part of.

Jason -- I keep getting email from Howard Dean and I keep emailing back and saying that unless he settles the FL and MI mess he need not email me again.

Heather,

"Abraham Lincoln podium is over the top."

That wasn't over the top that was pure unadulterated bogus theather. Cooper Union is the location of a very famous Abraham Lincoln Speech, one that is often called the speech that made him president.

http://jdurward.blogspot.com/2008/02/lincoln-at-cooper-union.html

In the previous speech, Sen. Obama was MLK. For this one, he was good ol' Abe. Neither condition is true.

Jason:

Given your tennis game and clean living - I have no doubt you are a better man than I.

(But that does not mean you are smarter ; )

Btw, I am from FL too - except I live in the Big City these days. But I will be returning to FL soon - and as I have said, I am going to have people reading the Audacity of Hope all across the beaches this summer.

(But if I learned one thing from 2004 - for the Democrats to win FL in the general - the candidate needs to focus on the areas away from the beaches where all the rednecks live....).

Warren -- since you accuse people here of making racist comments -- name the people and quote the comments.

Doots, et al.

When I was involved in things south of our border I learned/was taught that it was easiest identifying people by their country of residence. That solved all sorts of problems with folks like Brazilians, or Haitians, or Guyanese, or the other non-Spanish speaking nationalities.

Central America became problematic with some people from the U.S. and Canada believing C.A. included Mexico when every educated person knows that Mexico is part of North America.

And the people of the San Blas Islands certainly didn't want to be identified with any of the Central American countries.

And, it's always easy asking a person, where they are from originally. It can be anywhere in the world including Kansas.

People, basically, want to choose their own identities.

Patsi:

That only makes the situation worse. I do not feed into that game. I choose to rise about it.

Plus, you and I know there are plenty of ways to insult each other without being racist....

Andrea Mitchell is at it again. It still stuns me that MSNBC can twist facts simply by the way they use adjectives and comparatives. It is so damned dishonest.

mqw:

"i don't know much about women' but i do know they
don't take lightly being insulted 'ignored and
dismissed out of hand.and they have a long'' long''
memory"

So why in the hell would women vote for a Republican over Obama?!?

Okay, then Warren....don't accuse half the blog of being racists.

Brain:
All I can say is you seem obsessed with me for some strange bizarre reason only you can understand

--Heather

Heather,

"I have no clue as to what you are talking about:"

Oh don't do that! It's a ploy. Saying something so totally stupid as to require reply and then sucking you in to the vast maw with a massive injurious insult at the end. Why do you think we keep hanging out the garlic and drawing pentagrams?

Patsi:

I was just saying that there have been racist posts. I don't think that makes someone a racist.

I am sure there are a few of my posts that are racist against white people!!

(I must be a self-loathing whitey!!)

flatus

Then again it seems to be a human trait to organize the world.
So we place everything and everyone in categories. a lot of times we get so busy with this that we forget that others are doing the same to us. That is why I like my neighborhood, every once in a while it reachs out and slaps me up side the head and says "Hey! look at this"

Jack

Max,

Speculate all you like about Rezko and Auchi, but Herman Hsu sits in prison , convicted. And don't forget Johnny Chung.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/09/26/hsu_raised_big_money_for_clinton_supporters/

Universal Stress Reliever

http://www.therightfoot.net/mystuff/whatever/swf/bubblewrap.swf

I had to use "manic mode"

That was fun

If you aren't in the Netherlands you can't shop here, but boy does their programmer have a great sense of humor

http://producten.hema.nl/

Heather:

Flirting with joining the KKK is not centrist - it is ignorant.

Dear Jamie:
I suppose you are right, replying to him is like having a conversation with him is like talking to a brick wall lol

Sincerely,
Heather

Warren:
Many Democrats have made mistakes including Truman and even Robert Byrd but have learned from them and made amends

--Heather

Heather:

You are preaching to the choir.

I am a Taoist - and I don't hold the bad decisions people make in the past against them - as long as they aren't still making them now.

Warren:
I agree:-))

--Heather
P.S. I love choirs

Hey - how come I did not get a "Sincerely"?!?

J/K

(You should just "copy" your salutation - so that you can just "paste" it into your posts.)

Getting back to our discussion this morning and my comments on Morning Joe today, the NBC pollsters just posted an explanation of what they meant in their initial report saying African-Americans were oversampled:

"African Americans are NOT over-represented in our national sample. ... we interviewed an extra 100 African Americans to analyze the opinions of this group with a greater degree of statistical reliability. We combined these 100 only with the 77 African Americans that naturally fell into our national sample, for a total of 177 interviews with African Americans; these extra interviews were not combined with the full national sample of 700." -- Hart/McInturff

More at http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/27/827746.aspx

LOL I'm sorry Warren

a special (((((((((((Sincerely with Hug)))))))))))
for Warren:-))

warren, of course the last lie told by a lawyer in any letter is "Sincerely" or "Very truly yours." I tend to use the latter.

*elbows sturge* hmmmph.. he said "you people" again..

Warren

"You Democrats could learn a thing or two from the GOP."

Among other things, how to run a primary season. :-(

that was a great site - Jamie. I forward it to the programmers here..

Rezdog, my link shows where media will head eventually.

Your comments about Hillary supporters in jail don't come close to the web that surrounds Obama. Do you have any explanation why Obama was on the board at Woods Fund? Could he have picked a more anti-American board to sit on? Has he renounced these people? Want to bet Rezko helped AAAN? The Wright story doesn't go away because of the circle going from the Pastor Pack to the serious problems with Chicago and Michigan's Muslim charity connections. Want to bet this effects Michigan voters with the mayor under fire. He was certainly a closer friend to Obama than Hillary was to Spitzer.

In any case, the web is large and Obama put himself there. Yes, Rez, no one is perfect but your comparing Hillary's associations with Obama's is..er..a.. like comparing Obama's Grandmother 's views to Wright's.

Completely wrong.

Be happy I don't link yall up to Amy Althouse's blog, particularly the thread on the Hilllary/C linton debate over Farrakhan.

hey pogo bin agogo,

know why lawyers always keep the top button on their shirts buttoned up?

keeps the foreskin from slipping out! :)) just a little joke at your expense

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

hd, it got so uncomfortable for me, I quit wearing ties or buttoning my top button 5 years ago. :-)

Craig,

Obama brought up Wright because the story isn't going away. Why? Because it is part of a larger story and the overlap between Wright with the list of individuals I mention in the link I provided earlier.

Obama would like to clarify and defend so to nail the problem down, but he can't. Wright, Jesse, Farrakhan, Meeks and Sharpton aren't going to renounce or reject each other. They are supporting Obama. The connections of this support go into other areas where anti-Jewish and anti-Americanism have currency. In short, the associations are too broad and disturbing to go away.

Craig,

Your comments this am only reinforce my belief in your Clinton bias. Glad, the pollster more fully explained what was being portrayed as a skewed (against HRC) poll. Her low 37% positive rating seems reasonable to me in light of her continued low trustworthiness polling at Gallup.

BREAKING NEWS: American killed in rocket or mortar attack on Baghdad's Green Zone, U.S. Embassy says

Why is no one bringing up the OTHER comments from Pastor Wright? Ok, if you accept the racism explanation(which is lame),how do you account for the God Da** America Stuff? How could a US Senator sit through that? Face it Obama is toxic. Middle America will not put an "unpatriotic,dual citizen,in the WHITE HOUSE! An average singer was spared last night because she sang God Bless the USA. Wake up before it's too late.

I heard you explained about the skewed sample of the poll. I want to thank you for pointing that out. The journalist has a responsibility to help voters make an informed decision. You did just that. Thanks a lot.

Max,

I'm not betting anything except we have a presumption of innocence in the US. Hsu's convicted Rezko's not . I don't care about the Woods Fund. Guilt by association was discarded centuries ago.

Obama's talking about Wright yesterday, probably with PA and NC in mind. Lot of black voters there.:) He's a politician don't forget.

"Your comments this am only reinforce my belief in your Clinton bias"

Anything that smacks of a problem for Obama is pro Clinton. The World According to the Obamaraman

Craig, how dare you abandon your pro Clinton bias and report the memo from the poll whose sample looked skewed to you? You are obviously biased in favor of Obama. LOLOLOL

You just can't buy a break can you? :-)

He proposed a $30 billion stimulus plan that would provide relief to areas hardest hit by the housing crisis, and an extension of unemployment insurance for those out of work.

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN2060561020080327?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=10112

Remeber many buyers had little to no money down on some of these mortgages, why should they get bailed out? No money down means they have lost nothing.

See Melanie I think the "God DAAAAAMMMMNNN America" is where Wright is really W-R-O-N-G. The late, great author James Baldwin wrote in his 1955 piece "Autobiographical Notes" from "Native Son' "I Love America more than any other country in the world, and exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually". Baldwin was a brilliant writer. And even with the injustices he saw as a black man, he never "damned" his country.

I have also held much anger at my country. But, at the end of the day, it is my country and it still has many wonderful things to offer. And sorry, but I find it inexcusable that a supposed "Christian" man who is further, a theologist and thus, presumably, a spiritual leader... would use his freedoms guaranteed by the very country he lives in and is a citizen of, to "DAMN" that country.

Inexcusable...

"The World According to the Obamaraman"

The Story of O (Lick my feet bitch)

Was it Renee or KGC who first brought this book up? A few of us "old ladies" will know what the lick my feet reference is about. ROFL. A guy friend of mine gave me that book in grad school. After I read it I called and said, I don't know whether to kick your butt, or shove this book up it.

Craig, once again your [Obama] bias is showing.

Craig, once again your [Clintion] bias is showing.

I think you've drank the kool-aid and I just can't be a part of a blog that makes such disgusting remarks. This is my last post... No, REALLY! This is it! I've had it now... maybe I'll start a list of Craig baiters ... We can call it CRAB... Email me for more details. And REALLY, this is my last post. You Clintonistas are deluded. I am gone. Don't expect to see me now... I'm heading out... hold back the tears, you've only done it to yourselves.

Brain Dead in BEL

EuroTom, tongue in cheek, running away with a wink in his eye.

JennBe, I have only seen part of Season one of LOST. Mauro has told me not to read any spoilers but wait til he returns from Italy and we'll watch it again. He says season 2 wasn't so good but it all comes together in season 3. Since he originally watched it in Italian dubbing, he finds it interesting to watch it again in English and hear what the actors really sound like. 2 years ago he didn't understand ANY English. Now he does pretty darned good.

Doots -- you have me longing to hang out at the old Corky Compound again, lo these decades later. It was quite a place. Inside, there were lots of guys with rifles....serious guys. But there had been so many white supremist threats against Corky's life, that both the compound and the neighborhood were always on the alert.

I didn't spend much time around him personally...just his daughter and her kids...but the time I did spend I found him to be a VERY smart, strong, thoughtful and committed man. I have a huge amount of respect for him.

ditto what you said: Viva La Raza!

"Craig, how dare you abandon your pro Clinton bias "

Hi Pogo,

Damn, you 'd think I was the first person to suggest that here.
LOL

ha, EuroTom -- i really do dread the general election when all of you Dems really gang up on me for sure (actually that'll be a good sign for your party). but oh my, its gonna get ugly.

You never hear about construction cranes and then you get three accidents in less than 10 days. It's enough to make you think the cable channels are looking for crane accidents the same way they look for dead blonds. Then again, most of the cranes are blond.

Tom, don't worry I won't spoil it for you! Too bad you have to wait to keep watchin' it, that takes will power.

(But if I learned one thing from 2004 - for the Democrats to win FL in the general - the candidate needs to focus on the areas away from the beaches where all the rednecks live....). Warren

Hey I grew up in Ocala, I'm not a redneck, a redhead, yes! :)

Craig, Thanks for adding my blog link.

Rez, may I assume from your comments re: the presumption of innocense that you hold the belief that OJ is not guilty of murder for the death of his wife, but is responsible for her wife's family for her death? :-)

Now we're into OJ, good lord.

Pogo,

You more than most should know that juries send innocents to prison and set the guilty free.

OJ murdered Nicole!

Rez, I only wish this site supported emoticons so I could have done one that showed I was being tongue in cheek (for which I would have had to go find the correct charcters to assemble somewhere). Craig is fully aware that I consider him to be one of the very few honest brokers in the punditocracy.

"Craig, Thanks for adding my blog link. -- Posted by: JennBe"

no prob, JennBe, when i saw your comment this morn i realized i had forgotten to do that earlier.

one mo time: any regulars with blogs who'd like to be on our blogroll, just email the link and your preferred name to cqtrailmix@verizon.net

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/blogroll.html

Craig, fear not. Come the general, we'll be gentle.

:-)

"BREAKING NEWS: American killed in rocket or mortar attack on Baghdad's Green Zone, U.S. Embassy says"

Which reminds me -- anyone hear that speech Bush gave this morning? He is setting us up for he long haul....sick, sick, sick...

Melanie:

"how do you account for the God Da** America Stuff?"

I account for it by saying that Rev. Wright - like a lot of other Americans - are pretty angry about how Bush has f*cked up this country.

And anyone who says I am unpatriotic for telling the US government to get its act together is forgetting how this country was founded.

And to accuse Obama of being unpatriotic is assinine. Only in America, could he have accomplished what he has. He is running because he can inspire to people to actually be patriotic again.

(As opposed to just wearing little flag pins.)

Rez, I don't care about OJ - OJ's just an accessible example when someone starts talking about the presumption of innocence. So the presumption of innocense ends at an incorrect verdict? An oddly pragmatic view of a constitutional right. I don't think you can with any intellectual honesty hold to the presumption of innocence unless you are also willing to accept the jury as the final arbiter of guilt or innocence. (btw, I do know that folks who done it are found not guilty and folks who didn't do it are found guilty, pretty much on a daily basis, and you have to look pretty long and hard to find a bigger critic of the jury system than a defense attorney). Frankly, I'm just messing around.

Patsi:

Not just the "old ladies" know the book you speak of...

Anne Rice did a modern version.

I account for it by saying that Rev. Wright - like a lot of other Americans - are pretty angry about how Bush has f*cked up this country.

Everything is not about Bush .
You view of history is truncated.

No wonder people make lawyer jokes. You are the cliche.

Pogo

Tongue in cheek

:-p

Pogo,

I know you just try to make a point with a little levity, occasionally I actually perceive you as one of the few honest brokers around here, all the while putting up with the rants and raving, biases and whatnots of me and others..

ohhh I dunnooo, ET.. I can see how the GE might go..every day there'll be someone on here talking about how Craig's in the tank for McGrumpy...

LDL:

"Everything is not about Bush."

You can include Congress as well. They haven't really helped the situation.

For a few days this blog was characterized by insightful insights and helpful suggestions about where to get information.

The last couple of days we have seen a couple of people, obviously with severe emotional problems,insulting others,using vulgarities, etc.

Very Unpleasant..

Craig,

In response to your statistics on African-American sampling:

http://stubbornfacts.us/politics/2008_election/oversampled#comment-13775

oh and Melanie? what about those 'freedoms' everyone's so nuts about? isn't one of those freedom the right TO criticize America and her government? the knee-jerk "tsk-tsk!" from Reps and even worse, MSM is part of the reason there wasn't a very vocal opposition to the invasion in the first place... Matthews was so excited he just couldn't help it- he wet himself! and all that package envy onboard the aircraft carrier.. I've noticed Matthews is really good at revisionist history tho.. he keeps asking all his guests 'how were you DUPED about this war?" ..and then no one, NO ONE says "um..Chris? why were you leading the cheerleading squad???"

Thanks, Rez, hah!!! My ruse has worked.

Thanks jamie - I'll take your owrd for it. I thought this one :-p is "sticking your tongue out". But then again this one may be sticking your tongue out. :-q.

craig

i cant bring myself to trust anything NBC has anything to do with.....their network is too biased to trust them ...when your on they cut you short if your saying anything that dosnt agree with their views ,,,,so the poll they have out as far as im concerned is skewed

Oh, and LDL, what makes you think that despite the unrelenting and merciless criticism we endure - to say nothing of the cruel and heartless (albeit hilarious) jokes comparing us to carnivorous fish and bottom feeders (among other less savory creatures) that we enjoy, we Ls need a DL to hide behind? Half of our profession is about defending others - of course all of it is about defending ourselves.

In all fairness Oregon Democrat , at least I'm seeing someone for my severe emotional problems. Of course I first had to admit to myself that I had severe emotional problems. Now if I could get others to follow my lead....LOL!

"Craig, In response to your statistics on African-American sampling: http://stubbornfacts.us/politics/2008_election/oversampled#comment-13775 -- Posted by: Maxtrue"

ah, Max, i did not want to cause any more trouble, but there ya go finding something that illustrates one of my pet peeves about polling -- that comment you linked is really on target about one of the trade's dirty secrets: Media polls hardly ever reveal margins of error in subgroups -- and that link shows why, because they are huge

Matthews is really good at revisionist history tho.. he keeps asking all his guests 'how were you DUPED about this war?" .

Of course he would never have Congresswoman Lee
or others who spoke out against the war while he was still impressed by the sock in W's flightsuit.

A Goldman Sachs economist has estimated that credit losses at US leveraged financial institutions will total $460bn (€294bn) from the credit crunch, more than double what these companies have thus far written down. ----eFinancial News
Let the Dems fight on to the last person standing.
The economy is weakening daily and a clear picture of the devastion will not emerge before July/August.
The Repugs can continue living in la-la land, they have no chance of winning in November.
So fight on Hillary and Barack.
When it is all over the supporters of the vanquished cannot credibly claim fraud.
They will hold their nose and vote Dem.
The alternative is just not a viable option, they will have to vote based on enlightened self interest!

ah, Max, i did not want to cause any more trouble, but there ya go finding something that illustrates one of pet peeves about polling -- that comment you linked is really on target about one of the trade's dirty secrets: Media polls hardly ever reveal margins of error in subgroups -- and that link shows why, because they are huge

"didn't want to cause anymore trouble"
You must be in the tank for Obama :))))))

Pogo

Multiple use - tongue out, raspberry

You're right that using the 'q' might be more tongue in cheek :-q

either than or licking your nose.

There are a million reasons why you should ignore polls.

Hey, settle down about Melanie's comment. I had to go back and read it. Melanie didn't question Wright's right to make the comments he made - she questioned Obama sitting through it.

" How could a US Senator sit through that? "

Ty is right that criticizing one's country (actually it was the government that the FFs criticized) is central to the freedom of speech in the 1st amendment. Of course he has the right to say whatever he wants - whether he believes what he says or not. If burning the flag is considered protected as the exercise of free speech under the first amendment, throwing epithets against the country is certainly protected as well. But then the issue is not whether he had the right to speak words damning the US is it? The issues seem to me to be not so much whether that was an isolated utterance or whether it reflected a moe pervasive view of the country (either of which is his right), but rather if it did, why Obama reacted - or failed to react - to those words and views. Discussing whether Wright had the right to say what he said is a deflection from the issue that his words raised.

jamie, licking my nose may be one of the things that attracted Mrs. pogo to me - but I'd better let that lie.

Isn't there some authoritative source for emoticons? All of this specualationis driving me crazy (thankfully, withthe price of gas what it is, it's a very short trip).

"others who spoke out against the war while he was still impressed by the sock in W's flightsuit."

Who's sniffing panties now? LOL

Answering his own question - a talent developed through years of practice -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoticon

Who's sniffing panties now? LOL

still you and Chris Matthews

Rez and Warren,
Please explain Obama's sitting on the board of the Woods Fund. Aren't some of those funded, super Left Wing and rather anti-American? And isn't Obama's friend Khadili, helped by Rezko, funded too under the name of AAAN? Were a link between Khadli and Cairs, or Auchi, Hanooti or other platers be a blow to Obama?

Rez,
Let me get this right. Decades ago the voters a Presidential candidate associated with, received money from, made the icon of their personal biography was deemed unimportant? I hadn't heard that. And did that also include advisors, co-chairmans and the active support of many who do not denounce those who the majority of voters feels say anti-American and Anti-Jewish things? How silly of me to forget.

I have seen new footage of Wright blasting Italians and going on along the lines other clips have shown. Another Obama friend, Meeks is at it as well.

As Federal and State investigators uncover the activities of a number of the charities, churches and groups I mentioned this morning, as well as investigate the Middle East connections to Ba'athists and Hamas, I hope for Obama's sake, more connections aren't found linking Pastors with front groups, Left Wing groups with former financisers of Obama. The focus is now on Michigan and Illinois, but the judgment issue will not be over anytime soon. Howe anyone could associate with so many people sharing some common ideology and be unaware is quite amazing.

America is learning about Obama, who before recently was largely an unknown. Some may remember him from his Russert Interview

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5488345

There, he expressed his views about the Iraq invasion. A bit different than his take now. Others may have read his speeches about Iran and Pakistan back in 2004 and are confused today.

In any case, voters want to know more about Obama because his record is sparse and he didn't put much effort into being a Senator. We have his first book and can read about his Pastor. We have his second book which he dedicates to his Pastor. We know a bit about Rezko, but most Americans don't know about Ayers or Khadili, Auchi, or the Woods Fund. Most Americans don't know about Wright and his relationship to Jackson, Meeks, Farrakhan or even Sharpton. These associations were not generated by Obama haters. They spring from a circle Obama thrust himself into. There are many questions still unresolved concerning how much Obama knew about those he associated with, the common ties between various groups and money men. What is emerging is a picture quite different than the one Obama first presented in the Shadow of Lincoln. I'm not sure I understand the "high road".

This personal picture of associations with ideology Americans finds objectionable is further compounded by various advisors which do not have a good reputation on Israel or containing extremism. Zbig helped to create Bin Laden and radical control in Iran. Malley, McPeak and others have dubious reputations. McPeak does not have a reputation of being very dignified.

When you put the two together 1. credibility and judgment is a fair topic and 2. this makes one wonder about the chance of success and credibility to Obama's Dignified Foreign Policy.

Now Obama supporters can point to warts on Hillary, but I would suggest Obama already suffers from poor comparisons in efforts to deflect issues. No wonder Nader said that before Obama declared his run, his associations and record leaned pro-Palestinian. Then he has boilerplated the issue sounding like an Israeli crusader. So which Obama do we believe and doesn't the full vetting of associations, support and history help America to decide? Or do Obama supporters want to hide something?

Read these, think about Iraq, the economy and S. Ct. appointments. This is not the year we see a resurgence in Reagan Democratis (not matter what the GOP and Hillary supporters say right now....).

Posted by warren

I was aware of McCain's association with what I would consider to be extreme religious zealots and have little regard for these chaps but I also remember McCain taking on Robinson & Falwell which I thought courageous at the time. I hope you are not equating any moral equivalency to his NEED to cosy up to those hate mongers and charlatans, with the 20 YEARS Barack "Dorian Gray" Obama subjected his family to?

I do find comfort in that McCain himself is not overtly religious, so unlike G. Bush and reminiscent of Ronald Reagan who as his son Ron often said quote; "did not wear his faith on his sleeve." McCain merely suffers these fools for political expediency, which brings me back full circle to Barack "Dorian Gray" Obama, who talks about his faith continually with an ease much like our dear George.

I think my position on religion is best stated by Vanity Fair's Christopher Hitchens. Like Hitchens I want none of it, and see the way religion is used in this country as subversive to our founding fathers intent.

In my last post to you I expressed my disdain for "Dorian Gray" because of his relationship with his pastor, j. Wright. Since you opened the religion issue my antipathy towards "Dorian Gray" has roots in his church's anti-semitic remarks and its connection to Louis Farrakhan. I see clearly why I can't support "Dorian Gray," yet your referral to the McCain sites has only weakened the pillars on which you base your support. The difference being McCain Is dancing with the devil out of necessity while "Dorian Gray" Invites him to the wedding (performs the ceremony) and lets him babysit his children to the sweet lullaby of hate speech.

Ask yourself this question. Is there any other politician other than "Dorian Gray" who could mesmerize the press, enrapture the young, the affluent, and receive almost monolithic support from blacks? Only "Dorian Gray," making him IMO a cult figure, where the believers see "not a more perfect union" but a perfect candidate.

Milquetoast (I not D)

I ask all who think Obama can defeat McCain once his flaws are further amplified through the Republican machine to reconsider putting forward, yet another candidate who will lose. Every one of my objections to Obama appears on the screens of Reagan Democrats, Independents, Hispanics and others. I cannot say how they will swing, but my gut tells me the Democrats are in for a cruel awakening should they thrust Obama out into the light of a national campaign against McCain.

Posted by: Maxtrue | March 26, 2008 3:06 PM

I read this an was impressed by your {full} post. I see BO as a uniquely weak individual with a glib tongue, but also as a machiavellian cult figure. As an independent my vote is lost to BO for all the reasons in your post especially the "war and "security" issue.

Milquetoast (I not D)

Posted by: Saddle up | March 27, 2008 4:06 PM

I don't think you do yourself any good referring to Rev Wright's comments about Monica Lewinsky.

Craig,
Tully is quite a political operator. He is rarely wrong and quite a good mind on polling data. He is helping someone's local campaign at the moment, but he was the first person who I know that called the Florida/Michigan debacle the day the DNC made their first ruling. He predicted what the result would be.

You can defend this as free speech but is it a morally defensible thing to say. Natalie Holloway is not responsible for the media coverage.

Obama's pastor disses Natalee Holloway
'White girl goes off and gives it up' in Aruba, preacher pal says

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: January 27, 2008
6:49 pm Eastern

Natalee Holloway

Sen. Barack Obama's longtime friend and spiritual adviser trashed the memory of a missing and presumed dead American teenage girl,
But, "One 18-year-old white girl from Alabama gets drunk on a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and 'gives it up' while in a foreign country, and that stays in the news for months!" he added. "Maybe I am missing something!"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5094278&mesg_id=5095192

Not to ignore the obviously labored over posts of Milquw & Max, but I noticed that my comonly used emoticons :-{) or ;-{), which are mustachioed man smiling and sneering , aren't on either Wiki's or MSN's lists - now what did I do with that copyright letter?

Toast,
I suggest you see the link I left this morning called Let's Dance the Auchi Hanooti. And let's be clear. I did not say Obama even had associations with Hanooti.

It is my hunch that within the association circle I outlined, more stories will emerge. An experianced candidate with a long list of substantial associations to counter such problems would make life different for Obama. Unfortunately, the picture we have is built on what we have heard for some months, When you take the picture of Obama's history and record (associates, metnors, etc) and add that to his list of top advisors, the larger picture that emerges is not what Obama would have us think. Given the degree these suspect connections will continue to grow, I think the vunerablitlity makes Obama a poor pick.

I think Obama tried to reverse this by defending Wright again, but perhaps the story boat is leaking too much and it will be hard for him to sound so righteous and certain. Rumor has it that the associations of groups I mentioned this morning go into Michigan and even the Detroit. Now what makes me think there is much more to come?

What the good rev. apparently doesn't get is that it's all about selling soap.

hell, sometimes my typos even irritate me.

I meant to say,

"Rez,
Let me get this right. Decades ago those a Presidential candidate associated with, received money from, made the icon of their personal biography was deemed unimportant by voting America? I hadn't heard that. And did that also include advisors, co-chairmans and the active support of many who do not denounce those who the majority of voters feels say anti-American and Anti-Jewish things? How silly of me to forget."

Toast,
I suggest you see the link I left this morning called Let's Dance the Auchi Hanooti. And let's be clear. I did not say Obama even had associations with Hanooti.

Posted by: Maxtrue

I will check the link, thanks

Milquetoast (I not D)

Maxtrue,
"Please explain Obama's sitting on the board of the Woods Fund."
Sorry, the press, chicago's in particular, is looking into it , I don't have the ability. I look forward to their product.

"Decades ago the voters a Presidential candidate associated with, received money from, made the icon of their personal biography was deemed unimportant? I hadn't heard that"
not real sure of the ?? , but i believe there's been tons of analysis of wright's comment, much better than I can do.
I connect HRC to a convicted FEC felon and you go on about am indicted slum lord. Also I bring up another convicted fraud artist, working for the Chinese military and funding Slick 's campaign, an admin. co-managed by HRC and you're not concerned ?

So which Obama do we believe and doesn't the full vetting of associations, support and history help America to decide? Or do Obama supporters want to hide something?

No problem for me Max, bring it on. just use facts and not innuendo, or guilt by association charges.

Pogo

I wouldn't brag unless you can lick your eyebrow

> - D

Apparently there is no "tongue in cheek". the caret with nose and D is the equivalent of "malicious joy".

If you want more of the darn things, here is one place

http://www.angelfire.com/hi/hahakiam/emoticon.html

Yes, I know, "was" should have been "were". I can't type and chew gum at the same time.

Pogo, sue.......

And toast,
McCain lost some votes over his handling of Hagee and others. He probably thinks he gained more than lost. Don't think so. But this is different than the situation Obama's in and Clinton is not. Some have pointed to her endorsement of the million man march, but think about it...a MILLION and what she endorsed is a dialogue between the variosu black leaders attending not the hate speech of Farrakhan.

Also those who say Hillary didn't take Russert's gift and slam Obama on Farrakhan during a debate perhaps miss the Democratic triangulations required to win. There was a line she felt she couldn't cross. In retrospect, it was a poor move that allowed Obama to make fun of her, and for her to miss the chance to nail Obama.

While I don't agree with much of the comment thread, Amy Althouse does take a good look at that Russert questioning. Hold on to your hats because the comment thread over there is not particularly Democrat-loving.

Rez
Max is a Repug masked somrtimes as an Indie and sometimes as leaning towards Hillary.
His single objective is to add fuel to fire.His man J.Mc needs all the help and they have concluded that the only path to a Repug victory is to have a bitterly divided Dem party.

k.. i might have an argument about the words Wright chooses, but the idea that MSM pays more attention to a missing alabama cutie than they do to not-so-blonde teens that go missing every day? we've all had that discussion!

jamie, If I could lick my eyebrows - never mind, this could get me into deeper trouble than I care to be inif Mrs Pogo got wind of it.

Actually, according to Wiki, the tried and true smiling icon :) or :-) was meant to indicate that a comment was tongue in cheek . Now really, how uncreative is that? Certainly there is no visual cue to suggest that is what that means. I think I like your suggestion better. and this is not :-p.

Well, I'm off to my firm's monthly C2H5OH carousal - they put beer and snacky things out for the attorneys to gather araound and shoot the shit.

Hi George,

I gotta run, take over, but watch out for snipers.:) bbl

Here is the actual web page of the Woods Fund

http://www.woodsfund.org/about/staff

Here is a site that analyzes some of the associations

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/funderprofile.asp?fndid=5340&category=79

Posted by: tylenol | March 27, 2008 4:47 PM

No argument on the media coverage. Part of the unease about Wright is the unnecessary cheap shots that seem to promote hate and this is one example.

If the point was to make fun of the media, he could have picked on any number of people and made the point. For someone speaking about the victimized, he doesn't show much empathy.

LOL @ the emoticons!!

8)...me, in the morning, before coffee(glasses on)

8~)...me, after shower, starting to feel human(complete with little nose and philtrum)...LOL!!

{8~{)...me, all made up...hair done, makeup on

{8~.{)...me with fake mole

{8~{{)...me needing my lip waxed...ROTFLMAO!!!

shall I go on??? LOLOLOLOL!!!

Rez,
You know full well that it isn't just about Rezko. He is a front for Auchi and I posted the info on Auchi. And with Auchi, Rezko helped Khadili. Tell me you honestly think Obama had no knowledge that Auchi's money ended up in Obama's campaign. And Khadili and Ayers, along with other wonderful patriots were all part of the Woods Fund which Obama was a board member for more than three years.

It is the association with not just a single slumlord, liklely to go to jail, but the group of people Obama associated with that shared some rather anti-American and anti-Jewish opinions. For Obama to be unaware of all the cross links which, when you add the Pastoral group, likely include CAIRS and other charites mentioned in my morning link (because pro HAMAS is a shared cause) is either amazingly dumd or a lie. Can you say that the deal Obama got on his house had no connection to money that was intended to feed Iraqi children? AUchi sent 3.5 million to debt ridden Rezko from what source? Obama did not know of Auchi? Obama did not know of AAAN? Obama didn't know about Jesse Jackson Jr. realtionship with CAIRS? Or that Jr. refused to reject Wright. like Obama yet still co-chairs his campaign? That Trinity continues on its way while Obama remains a member?

So I was reacting to your tossing out two in jail and comparing that with the web of associations Obama elected to be a part of in Chicago. If more links are found between the various groups I mentioned (and the FBI did as well), it will be difficult for Obama to say he had no knowledge. That does not mean Obama contribute money or even did any favors. At the least, it strikes the issue of judgment and credibility. Obama left Woods Fund in 2002. One would think the Chicago Press would have something by now. Unless there trying to hold something back.

Look at all the dangerous links that could surface.

1. Obama is shown to have met Auchi.
2. Obama was aware Auchi and Rezko helped AAAN
3. Trinity and Wright have any connection to groups I mentioned this morning.
4. Any quid pro quo involving Auchi, Rezko, Khadili or other's interests.
5. Meetings abroad with any dubious associations.
6. Yet undisclosed donations from dubious sources.
7. More meetings and connections with Meeks or others associated with anti-American, anti-gay, Anti-Jewish, and anti-white speech.
8. Futher embarrassments by people now associated with Obama's campaign.

I could go on, but you see the problem.

Obama needs to dump the minister issue. It's going to make the super delegates question his judgment, and at this point, so do I. The pastor is a bigot and the "typical white person" comment Obama made deeply offended me. He's got to apologize to us "typical white people" or he's not going to get the nomination, nor should he.

George,
I have never voted for a Republican, so calling me a Repug is a joke. I am a registered Independent, but I give money to the DNC and HIllary (very small amounts) and actually do make some election calls for Hillary. So go put a sock in it and understand that life long social liberals can make the case I do. I am not a neocon, but support American self-interest and internationalist policies. I never called Zbig, Powers, or McPeak doves like some mistaken Republicans, nor so I think Obama is a secret American hating person.

It seems like you are the one that vilifies McCain to add traction. I can guess what the Obama November campaign will look like..LOL. Hillary at least refrains from the tactics of the Kossack crowd and tries to conduct a dignified campaign as was her tenure in the Senate. Now you wouldn't think that listening to the Liberal media, which Republicans or Democrats should never wish to be partisan.

My effort here is to sway whomever, to nominate Hillary, who I would support come November. Obama, regardless of my vote will likely crash and burn for various reasons, some of which I post here. Pretty simple and straightforward.

this is me from the rear view

(____l____)

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

I can show your front view, if you want... 8~P

**well, not that I have ever seen your "front view"...LOL!!

Jamie, you did it!

http://www.aaan.org/staticpages/cbs.htm

See where AAAN colaborates with CAIRS? So Khadili who recieved money from Rezko, whose group AAAN got money through Woods Fund which Obama was a board member is associated with CAIRS.

Al-Hanooti worked with CAIRS and my morning link showed what CAIRS is about.

So there you go. Obama's buddy, Khadili who recieved money from Rezko(Auchi) colaborates with CAIRS. Tell me there is not much more to unfold in this story.

"Pogo

I wouldn't brag unless you can lick your eyebrow"

Jamie, may I nominate you for post of the day?

: )

young Jack =:-)

Hell raising whiskey drinking Jack };-)

Married Jack (:-)

Jenn when she's watching the debates and trying to type-
:*) Drunk

"If the point was to make fun of the media, he could have picked on any number of people and made the point. For someone speaking about the victimized, he doesn't show much empathy."

I find Rev. Wright's comments about Natalie Holloway quite troubling. While I understand and do agree with the basis of his comments that the disappearances of women of color never seem to be a major concern of the media, I feel he could have made his point without malice.

Wright is not alone in pointing out the discrepancies evident by the overblown coverage Ms. Holloway's case has received. However, we should never blame the victim for the reaction of the hysterical corporate press. Additionally, Natalie Holloway's mother was quite proactive in keeping her daughter's story alive in an effort to get justice for her daughter. As a mother, I can understand that.

What I can't understand is a man of G-d being so negative about a young life being snuffed out so tragically.

Not only does this exhibit a lack of empathy, it is quite misogynistic as well.

Max,

I'll play along one more time.

All I read from you is innuendo,association and a BUNCH of questions you and I could never know the answer. Where is the PQQ, the smoking gun. At least I can point to Bob Johnson and show you what he got for his cosying up with the Clintons and continuing to do their dirty work.
I don't care about Ayers. Yes he did terrible things as a college age radical, but he's a prof at UI. Now that school should be condemned to hell?
If Obama has given something up for knowing all the bad oil for food crooks, then arrest him and be done with it or . . .

I'm beginning to understand George's point.

NEW THREAD

No, without be rude, I think you are missing the point. Khadili is an old buddy of Obama, yes? He recieved money in 2002 from Rezko, yes? And this money had some stream from Auchi. Now Obama sits on the board of Woods Fund for four years which invests in AAAN, the group Khadili created. AAAN collaborates with CAIRS. You really think America will buy the idea that Obama had no clue his friend, a former PLO spokesperson is collaborating with CAIRS, or has no clue who CAIRS is? Al-Hanooti worked with CAIRS too and was arrested yesterday over spying for Saddam and setting up Saddam trip for the three Amigos. Now this is one connection that Obama will have a hard time explaining. I don't know why you are being so obtuse. You know exactly what the implication is: that Obama was aware of his friends pro-Hamas attitude (Hell, just listen to his Pastor and Wirghts buddy Farrakhan) and that he was working with CAIRS. If a web of disturbing connections circle Obama, how does this elevate his credibility or judgment?

So yeah, just call my questions Repug tactics and ignore the litany of associations the media is clearly slow to investigate. How long did it take media to respond to year old stories on Wright?

Obama will claim he knew nothing about this. That being at Woods Fund was not an endorsement for Ayers or Khadili. He'll say he was unaware of Auchi and had no clue about the eight year investigation of Cairs. Sure that's the ticket.

Maybe as a potential candidate, he should have spent more time as a board memember of the Chicago chapter of the VA or the Wildlife fund. He picked his donors and organiszations, his church and friends. Now you want to say it is unimportant.

What else do we have, his advisors, mentors and record?

Lush wrote asked: "Ohhhhhhhh Craig said something about Mika and I missed it??? Does anyone have the interview??"

Don't know if anyone answered this yet. Basically, Mika was trying to accuse Hillary of bringing up the Wright issue to detract from Bosnia and Craig jumped in and said she was just answering a question...well I think this is how it went. There was some back and forth and then Craig said...Obama is the one bringing it up...basically what he posted today and Mika was like...he was just answering a question...and Craig's like - so was she!

You could hear Mika in the background going...weeelllll....

ROFL

Craig SET HER STRAIGHT!

Way to go Craig!

NEW THREAD!!!!

Great appearance on Morning Joe today. Loved the comment on how skewed and unreliable these so called polls have become.